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Hey everybody, welcome to this 
episode of the Disc Golf Fancy 

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Man. 
I am Bobby, Cool Daddy Slick 

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Breeze. 
And on this episode I have Mr. 

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Kellan McCann and you are of 
10/10 discs, correct? 

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That is correct. 
Yep, I've been with them. 

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This is my 10th year as far as a
sponsored player, but been on 

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the payroll for a couple years 
now. 

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Very cool. 
So as I've been telling people 

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I've been on a deep dive of, of 
course, I've always done this. 

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I've always been fascinated by 
content creators and people in 

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the marketing realm as far as 
disc golf, just because I do it,

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I love it. 
And so I use this selfishly as a

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way our podcast to reach out to 
and get to know other people 

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that do content creation and 
marketing. 

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So I reached out to you and I 
thank you so much for saying yes

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to being on the show. 
Yeah, I'm, I'm honored. 

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Thank you for having me on. 
Absolutely excited to chat with 

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you today about what what 2026 
might bring. 

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Yeah. 
Well, first of all, just in case

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someone hadn't heard of you, 
tell me a little bit about a 

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little bit of your disc golf 
story and then what you got 

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going on right now as far as 
content creation and marketing. 

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I'll try to graze over it. 
I've been in the sport 15 years,

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started when I saw a YouTube 
video, Paul Macbeth and then a 

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buddy and and went out and 
bought a starter pack. 

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My mom bought it for us and we 
split it and then of a starter 

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pack. 
So that was 2011. 

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I played baseball through high 
school and college for one year.

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So I took a little bit of a 
breakthrough 2013, 2014 a my 

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first shoulder surgery in 2014 
kind of took me out of baseball 

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and kind of relit my fire for 
disc golf. 

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So then I came home. 
I was in Crowder at Neosha, 

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Missouri, just South of of you 
guys a little bit came back home

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to Jonesboro, AR to go to school
at Arkansas State and we 

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developed a disc golf team 
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Outside of that, I also started 
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years of collegiate disc golf. 
And I mean, that is a whole 

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story in itself, but I always 
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college disc golf was my 
favorite time, my favorite part 

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of my career, lower 
responsibilities as well. 

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You know, your college kids 
going on week long trips. 

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I used to call it Frisbee Topia.
So a great time. 

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I always recommend it to 
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That ended in 2020. 
I graduated from Arkansas State 

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with a marketing degree, learned
that that's kind of my passion. 

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I used to like wildlife and and 
outdoors, things like that, but 

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learned that talking with people
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products and behind sales. 
I kind of enjoy all that. 

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So graduated with a marketing 
degree in 2020, met my wife 

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probably in 2018. 
It's a funny story. 

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Long story short, I was playing 
a collegiate disc golf event, 

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sleeping in my car. 
You know how disc golfers can 

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kind of do sometimes in a 
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before. 
And we're on Bumble. 

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And we ended up meeting on 
Bumble, a dating app, and the 

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rest is history. 
So now no college disc golf, but

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I love competing. 
I'm trying to coin myself as 

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kind of the local pro over 
chasing the, you know, the pro 

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tour when I was younger and 
still had, you know, an arm 

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under me. 
I that's kind of the goal for 

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everybody, But now it's just 
what can I do to grow the sport 

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in my local community? 
And then marketing and content 

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is kind of this Ave. that I've 
seen that kind of expedites 

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things. 
You know, you never know what 

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opportunities waiting behind, 
what video you post, even if 

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it's unintentional. 
I've got some things in the work

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this offseason that you know, I 
never saw coming and I'm so 

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stoked that they've happened. 
But it's just because I keep 

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putting myself out there, keep 
trying to grow the sport, you 

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know, my little bit at a time. 
So that's a quick gloss in the 

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sport for a long time. 
You know, you always kind of 

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fall out of it a little bit and 
then find your love again 

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through something, whether 
that's content or a certain 

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throw or a certain disc. 
So that's happened over the 

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years but I eat, sleep and 
breathe it. 

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I love disc golf. 
Currently I work at Tintin as 

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the marketing director. 
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post planning for videos and 
then the talent in a lot of the 

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reels and YouTube ideas so. 
So tell me, I'm going to touch 

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on a few topics that you brought
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So the local pro, tell me why? 
What? 

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When you say I'm a local pro, 
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I mean, anywhere in the Arkansas
area I'm pretty much recognized,

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one cuz I've been playing disc 
golf forever, another cuz I'm 

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doing content. 
But last year I believe it was, 

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I ended up breaking 1000 rating 
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Arkansas as well. 
So you know, I think it's that 

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step between being better than 
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being way worse than the pro 
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You know, back in the day, 
20/18/2017, I could kind of 

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compete and almost cash at some 
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And nowadays, I mean I could 
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get there. 
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clear divide that people need to
see that it's not always a bad 

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thing to stay at that local pro 
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You know, you can kind of get 
seen and noticed easier than, 

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you know, standing out there. 
Then being in the big ocean, the

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blue ocean of trying to compete 
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Because nowadays you almost need
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it. 
So you know. 

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Yeah, just kind of, I remember 
when I first started now, my 

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first event that I covered was 
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It was considered or what was a 
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called it and it was, you know, 
the PDGA tour and it, it felt 

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like there wasn't as much of AA 
separation between the locals 

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that were playing and the people
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play. 
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much more of a separation 
between a guy that tours and the

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and your local guy. 
Would you say it? 

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Would you, I guess what would 
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local pro who's thinking, I want
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What's that gap? 
What do they need to know about 

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that gap? 
I don't ever want to discourage 

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someone from taking that step 
and, you know, trying to be the 

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best athlete that they can be. 
I'm a realist. 

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So I know that at a certain 
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looking at all the guys on tour 
and, and their skill and their 

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commitment to the game, there's 
a certain point where you have 

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to be real with yourself and 
know that that's not attainable 

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for, you know, it's, it's a, a 
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It's getting closer to trying to
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shouldn't stop you from grinding
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trying to be the best, you know,
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state and then kind of moving 
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Never want to discourage it, but
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eye to what you can do in your 
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running events or being just a 
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events, weekly tags, things like
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Trying to get more people that 
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to do it and grow your community
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I, I just tell him, don't turn a
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not staying at that level 
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for opportunity there. 
It's just, and, and you can 

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still try to be the best disc 
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It's just now my goal is to to 
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it's credible Whenever you know,
I'm, I'm doing content or doing 

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media, I just, I need it to be 
like, Oh, he's, he's got a 

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little bit of game. 
If they, if somebody goes and 

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looks me up, you know, I don't, 
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So that's kind of what that's 
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staying kind of good at disc 
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There's a few tournaments and a 
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but reaching the absolute top of
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interested in. 
It's kind of growing the sport 

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and and doing my part and seeing
what opportunity comes next. 

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So let's. 
Talk a little bit about that 

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impact that you can make on the 
disc golf community, Because a 

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lot of times the story that that
happens is someone for fringe 

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tech asks them to come out to a 
course or somehow they discover 

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a couple discs and they see a 
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figure out what it is and they 
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And then they fall in love with 
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They love it. 
They find out the disc golf 

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community and they think their 
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their only way to do things is 
to go on tour, become, oh, I'm 

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going to become a pro. 
But tell us a little bit about 

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what you've learned over your 
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you do on the local level that 
will make an impact on the 

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sport? 
I'm on this. 

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I don't want to call it a quest 
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steps to go toward this, but I 
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market for the middle school, 
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for, you know, whatever town 
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Kind of like in college disc 
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We were able to play different 
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There were probably eight of us 
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then go play nationals. 
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the biggest impact, it's, it's 
getting the youth involved, 

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getting, you know, the middle 
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a high school team. 
You know, is, is in my eyes the 

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best thing you can do because 
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college is a little smoother. 
You're not discovering it in 

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college when not that it's too 
late, but ideally you get a few 

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more years things that you can 
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I mean, social media, of course,
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answer because it encompasses 
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more people about the sport to 
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about the sport or your 
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The obvious things like running 
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Jonesboro, we've got A tag match
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and then putting league actually
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brewery. 
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that come in the store at 10:10.
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that at any any town go on 
Facebook and there should be 

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Hey, we've got weekly this 
that's kind of the best way you 

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can get into the sport and then 
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And I think that's the best 
thing that you can do locally is

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run events and get more new 
people out there thinking 

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outside the box, trying to maybe
go to different businesses and, 

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and say, we'd like to have you 
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getaway thing, You know, just 
introducing the sport to new 

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people. 
And, and every single time you 

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have a league or a putting 
league or hey, I'm going to play

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nine holes, does somebody want 
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That's one more opportunity that
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the game. 
And that new person then goes to

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work and tells their friends or,
or things like that. 

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And I think people probably get 
tired of hearing disc golfers 

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talk disc golf. 
You know, it's not that 

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impactful. 
It's a whole thing I have about 

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the pro tour and and entry 
prices to like admission prices 

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and all that. 
But if you can have someone new 

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come to disc golf and then go to
work or go to school and then 

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tell three people, hey, I tried 
this disc golf thing. 

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It feels new to them too. 
You know, it's not the same 

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thing over and over. 
I'm sure my wife, you know, 

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hates hearing about disc golf. 
But someone new that says, oh, I

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had a great time at this event 
may pull more people in, but but

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your local pro, your local and 
that can make a splash. 

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Just be a part of the community.
Talk to the pillars in the towns

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to see what is missing, whether 
that's more events like that or 

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some course maintenance. 
A lot of courses I know are a 

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lot more populated than ours, so
I know that's kind of a big 

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thing. 
Find a way to make your Make 

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your name, make your splash, you
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Grow the sport by one person at 
a time, you know? 

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All right, so you've been in 
disc golf for 15 years, 2001. 

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Yeah. 
I'm going to ask you from two 

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different angles here. 
What are you over the over those

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years, what have you seen that's
been a not so good thing or a 

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challenging thing for disc golf?
I'm not going to go too deep 

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into this because it's a whole 
topic in and of itself. 

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But back to the pro. 
Give me that question one more 

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time the. 
So in your in in the time you've

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been in disc golf, what sort of 
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that you think's a challenge has
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I think that we focus on 
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too much, whether we're trying 
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disc, because you have to market
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But our events, our Pro tour 
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still our sponsors. 
We are still trying to, I, I 

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like to say milk disc. 
The people who are already 

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paying into the sport for more 
money. 

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I hate to see that. 
I hate to see volunteers at Pro 

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Tour tournaments have to pay to 
volunteer. 

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I hate that emission prices can 
get steep at some events. 

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I think the more non disc 
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sport, the bigger the sport's 
going to grow. 

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And the more money we take from 
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you can ask. 
You can't just ask, ask, ask, 

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ask, ask all the time from the 
same people you know. 

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That's a little deep, but I 
think that's one thing. 

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That's one thing that hits me. 
Yeah, that's something that can 

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be unpacked quite a bit. 
Because yes, it can. 

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Yeah, that's a whole different 
discussion. 

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But I've heard for years where 
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basically disc golf money is 
just moving around with disc 

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golf. 
Like 1 manufacturer makes a lot 

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of money and then they spend a 
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manufacturer, you know, it's 
like we're just moving money 

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around with these tournaments 
and stuff. 

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Yeah. 
And on that topic, again, not 

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going to get deep into this, but
something I've been thinking 

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about is, is the money that 
Whatnot is for manufacturers and

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retailers. 
No one's talking about it yet, 

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but I think when I mean a crazy 
example is Isaac Robinson can 

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sell a fan blade for 40 bucks, a
ceiling fade bland. 

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I, I didn't say that's right, 
ceiling fan blade or a stock 

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disc from J Millie that went for
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thing. 
I love the different avenues of,

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of revenue for these touring 
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there. 
I understand that, but no one's 

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really talking about the fact 
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amount of money someone could be
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manufacturer because the discs 
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more. 
Just a little thought. 

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I don't think it's a bad thing 
about what not, I think it's 

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awesome, but just a thought that
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whatnot to these pro players, 
which is good. 

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It's helping the pro players, 
but it does take from the money 

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that these consumers could spend
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on a disc. 
You know, just a little food for

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thought. 
Got you. 

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So on the flip side of that, 
what's something you've seen 

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over the years that you think 
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The, I mean media in general, 
I'm a big proponent of media 

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growing the sport. 
The more eyes we can get on it, 

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the better. 
I remember when I first started,

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you could type in disc golf in 
YouTube and watch every single 

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video that there was. 
There was only, you know, 50 or 

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whatever it was. 
Now there's an endless amount of

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content that's being created and
and new content creators every 

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day. 
I love that the college scene 

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has grown a ton. 
I'm not super in tune with it 

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now, but it was moving quick the
five years I was there. 

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More schools offering 
scholarships for things. 

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We, I know we've got a school 
here in Arkansas that, that 

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offers scholarships for disc 
golf just to meet grainy, grainy

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footage from back in the day. 
You know, disc golf live. 

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We, we enjoy watching live. 
We're post produced, you know, 

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back in the day. 
It's not grainy anymore. 

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It, you know, it could be 
better. 

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It could always be better, But 
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problems, but we can see and we 
can view the sport in a way that

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we couldn't really view it back 
in the day. 

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I love that. 
I love, I love live. 

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I watch some posts every now and
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Oh yeah, I remember you had to 
wait till the DVD came out to 

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see the big tournaments. 
Now that's a little before my 

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time. 
I bet that was tough. 

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That, I mean, that's how I put 
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stuff for Jeremy and dynamic 
Disc and there we called it The 

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Dirty Dozen Tour. 
I think, I think Stevo still 

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does the Dozen Tour, but we had 
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put, it would take me about a 
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DVD and that's how we got 
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And then even Crump, Billy Crump
doing the class of the Titans. 

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Wait, I think he called it 
class. 

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No, not class of Titan. 
I think he's just some class. 

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I can't remember what it was, 
but it was something for the 

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class. 
Anyway, yeah, back in the days 

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you'd have to wait for the DVD. 
Now it's, you know, live as it's

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happening, which I think is 
fantastic. 

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And then post production is 
better than it ever has been, 

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you know, So if you're a post 
produced fan it, it's still 

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awesome. 
So no, no shame in that. 

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All right, let's switch gears to
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that's your realm, that's your 
world. 

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What are we lacking? 
What are we lacking in disc golf

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and marketing? 
You kind of said something 

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toward that when you said we're 
we're marketing to the wrong 

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people. 
Unpack that for me. 

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I mean, it probably goes back 
toward targeting. 

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I don't want to say targeting 
youth cause Edge does a great 

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job. 
There's foundations that do 

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target the youth and under under
it does underprivileged areas, 

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areas that that don't have disc 
golf already. 

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I think we're still missing 
though, getting it into schools 

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to where it is a, you know, 
foundation thing that when you 

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go to middle school, ideally 
middle school is where it 

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starts, but high school is a 
little more feasible when you go

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in, disc golf is an option, just
like baseball, just like 

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basketball. 
Ideally, I want my kids to grow 

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up and, and be in a school where
they can play the sport that I 

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love and have that transition 
easier. 

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I think we're going to see 
better players if we, you know, 

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get more of the youth involved 
early and then there's more 

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eyeballs. 
Think if, you know, if you could

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get a school of kids involved or
a team involved, their parents 

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are traveling, they're, you 
know, they're spending money 

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into the sport that that wasn't 
there before. 

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I, I think we're not again. 
And it kind of full circles back

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to to using the same, you know, 
having the money circle around 

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it's it's targeting the same 
people and not feel like it's 

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close minded, you know, and I 
don't know that I'm the perfect 

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person to, you know, say where 
the sport should go or, or what 

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it needs or what it's missing. 
We all know that it's more 

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eyeballs and outside money, you 
know, that's that's what 

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everybody needs every, you know,
things like that to grow. 

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But yeah, just putting more 
emphasis into growing the game 

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as well as growing the youth in 
the game, you know? 

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So what are some of the tactics 
you're putting in place in your 

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position? 
I'm not right now. 

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That's why I kind of say this 
lightly about that topic. 

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It's a topic I've thought about 
for about a year and a half now 

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to get the town involved and I 
have not taken any steps to do 

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that. 
That's, you know, one of those 

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things that's kind of a goal 
that you haven't haven't started

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yet there. 
There has been, I believe last 

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year started last year there was
a four or five high schools that

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kind of started something where 
they had a team, but kids kind 

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of fall out of interest. 
I think it takes more of of us 

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people who have been in the game
for a while to go out and try to

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get them excited about it and 
and keep it going. 

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It's it's a huge area. 
I think that I need to grow 

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locally, you know, because it at
a point that it's not that 

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you've done all you can do in a 
local area, but the impact 

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you're making could be greater 
once you step into a realm like 

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that than just running events 
and showing your face here and 

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there, you know? 
So what's on it your, what's 

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your strategy though at at 
10:10, what's kind of your 

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approach to marketing disc golf?
Right now, it's growing media. 

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That was kind of so Long story 
short, we knew we were going to 

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have my first kid. 
She's 3 1/2 now and I was 

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managing a Firestone here in 
Jonesboro after I graduated, 

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knew we were going to have her. 
So I was stopping that once we 

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had her to be a stay at home 
dad, sat at home for six months 

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or so. 
And and I'm not a stay at home 

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kind of person. 
So I needed to do something. 

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So I contacted 10/10. 
Like I said, I've been with them

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eight years at that point and 
just said we need to beef up the

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media. 
And I've been kind of in my 

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practice reading books, 
listening to podcast while I was

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at home raising her. 
And media is the biggest thing. 

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I mean they. 
Have excellent customer service.

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The shipping is insane. 
Their website is one of the 

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best. 
They've got a lot of things 

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going for them, but the media 
was like a complete black hole 

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that it was just an 
afterthought. 

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You know, the things they were 
putting out were were decent, 

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but it was just an afterthought,
you know, and there was that 

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kind of shift during COVID or, 
or in the last five years where 

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media kind of, you know, 
foundation laid a little bit of 

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the blue blueprint. 
Media is almost a better Ave. to

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get people into the game than 
just trying to to sell this. 

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You know, if you can entertain 
people, if you can inform 

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people, it it builds trust with 
them and then then they want to 

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buy this with you. 
So right now it's just pumping 

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out more content, whether it's 
reels or YouTube videos. 

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The YouTube is kind of the big 
focus right now. 

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So I'm there one day a week and 
we, you know, pre plan. 

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I usually write the scripts or 
at least the intro for YouTube 

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videos because you don't script 
out the whole thing and then 

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just just brainstorm what it's 
supposed to look like and kind 

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of go from there. 
And then our reels can be a 

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little more in depth or we 
script the whole thing and then 

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everything is pretty much shot 
listed, you know, the whole 

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director's cut type thing. 
But right now we're growing 

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media because there's, you know,
there's not a ton of holes that 

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they are lacking, I would say, 
in my opinion, for the business 

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trying to get more people to 
know who they are, you know. 

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So when you say YouTube, you're 
talking 1010 discs has their own

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YouTube channel. 
Oh yeah, yeah, production level 

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is slap on. 
We have an awesome editor and 

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and camera quality is insane. 
If you haven't checked it out 

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yet 1010 discs on YouTube. 
It's awesome. 

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It's growing boomscribed. 
Appreciate it. 

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Appreciate. 
It so tell me what's what's kind

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of what is your creative 
process? 

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How do you come up with ideas? 
What kind of walk me through the

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journey of from idea generation 
to hitting record on the camera?

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So some things, as you probably 
know, just come to you. 

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You're you're shopping in the 
grocery store and you have this 

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idea or you're listening to a 
podcast. 

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I feel like a lot of my light 
bulbs kind of, you know, it 

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triggers you to think about 
something else come from not 

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trying to sit down and say what 
video would be a good video. 

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So I would say if you know, and 
new releases, discs, reviews 

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have their own kind of style 
than an entertainment video or 

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something might have. 
So a disc is a little more 

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planned out as far as we go and 
throw it, we test it and then we

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say, you know, we we list out. 
I would, it's a lot of 

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brainstorming. 
I mean, you probably know, you 

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sit there for maybe two or three
hours spitballing ideas and 

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maybe this one's bad, but it 
triggers something in your brain

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that that says, oh, no, this 
works. 

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And so I would say once we have 
the idea, say it's a disc 

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review, it starts with the hook.
How do we want the whole scene 

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to open? 
It's the most important part of 

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a video, you know, whether it's 
the 30 seconds on YouTube or or 

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three to five seconds on 
Instagram and, and things like 

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that. 
Getting a visual for what that 

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looks like as we're 
brainstorming, I feel like is, 

444
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is the first step. 
You can't just really jot down 

445
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,720
words on paper and hope it works
And it kind of, you know, it 

446
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,840
does form itself sometimes. 
But I'm a person that needs to 

447
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,760
almost see the video in my head 
a few times, or at least the 

448
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,400
intro to know, OK, no, it needs 
to be a roll or this needs to be

449
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,040
B roll voice over. 
Or once that's laid out, the 

450
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,560
intro gets the most attention 
where we script and then pass it

451
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,440
back and forth and script again.
That's really the only part in 

452
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,120
our YouTube videos that we 
script a ton. 

453
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,360
But the Instagram reels get a 
little more scripted. 

454
00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:47,440
And that's where when you're 
writing something, you almost 

455
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,400
need to see it as you write it 
so that then you can shot list. 

456
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,360
You know, the, the script comes 
and then the shot list comes 

457
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:55,320
next. 
I'm not one that needs to have 

458
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,400
them necessarily side by side, 
but in my mind, I need to see it

459
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,040
as I'm reading it or as I'm 
explaining it to someone. 

460
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:08,440
So intro script, shot list. 
And then usually when you start 

461
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,680
recording something feels weird 
or something feels like, let me 

462
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,720
change that verbiage. 
I actually want it to look like 

463
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,560
this. 
So we do have some tweaks as 

464
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,200
we're filming. 
You just kind of roll with the 

465
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,560
punches and, and go with the 
flow. 

466
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:24,080
But if you, you want to 
entertain people, you want to 

467
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,280
inform people and you want to 
educate people. 

468
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,000
And those are the things that 
you kind of think about whether 

469
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,240
you're writing a disc review or 
whether you're, you know, doing 

470
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,400
a wheel spin video, something 
entertaining. 

471
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,160
Keep those three things in mind.
And, you know, the rest kind of 

472
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,480
writes. 
It's, I don't want to say writes

473
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,440
itself because script writing 
can be pretty difficult. 

474
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,280
But the rest can kind of flow. 
Once you get into that, it can 

475
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,720
kind of flow into the picture. 
It kind of, you know, gets 

476
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,040
painted as you get going. 
What? 

477
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,520
Would you say the most 
challenging part of all the the 

478
00:24:52,560 --> 00:25:00,240
whole process is? 
For me personally, if I'm 

479
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,840
recording my own content, it is 
like solo content creation. 

480
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:09,520
It is between the point that I'm
done with the script, I'm done 

481
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,200
with the shot list. 
I know exactly what it's 

482
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,680
supposed to look like and 
starting, hitting record and 

483
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,600
starting. 
And it's not a fear of hitting 

484
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,640
record. 
It's just it's almost taxing. 

485
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,880
It's almost the part that I 
don't like the most. 

486
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,120
It's probably the first time 
I've said that out loud. 

487
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,040
And it's not that I don't like 
to film. 

488
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,040
I enjoy filming. 
I enjoy camera things and and 

489
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,800
all that. 
It's just like when I know it's 

490
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,080
done and it's time, it's time to
go ahead and get on hold one or,

491
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,640
or start the first scene, you 
know, because then once you get 

492
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,560
flowing into it, you know it, 
it's pretty easy and, and things

493
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,520
feel simple. 
But my least favorite part and 

494
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,440
the hardest part I would say is 
once you're done or, you know, 

495
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,240
and even on a basic level for 
someone out there that's 

496
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,600
watching that just wants to 
create content, if you have an 

497
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,040
idea, hey, I want to, you know, 
say this and then throw this 

498
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,080
disc and turn around and say 
this. 

499
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,720
If you have a little idea and 
you're ready, you'll experience 

500
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,840
it. 
Where that transition to doing 

501
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,920
it feels, feels a little tricky,
you know, because it, it's hard 

502
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,160
to say. 
I had this plan that's on paper 

503
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,000
and in my mind. 
Let's see it through the lens. 

504
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,840
So getting over that hump is the
hardest part. 

505
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,280
You know, luckily at 10:10 we 
have someone who videos for us. 

506
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,480
So I don't stress about that as 
much. 

507
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,720
I think that's. 
You you, you said something that

508
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,360
I relate to a lot. 
Is that like the, the initial 

509
00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:30,200
process of coming up with the 
idea, scripting it out, writing 

510
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,240
it down, saying the shots? 
I think I need visualize and I 

511
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,280
do the same thing. 
I visualize in my head. 

512
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,440
I'm even editing it in my head 
as I'm thinking about it. 

513
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,320
Like what would be funny, what 
would be great, you know, a 

514
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,520
great edit. 
And then you're right. 

515
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,160
You're like, you get out there 
and it's time to film and then 

516
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,160
you you're like, you're on. 
Well, sometimes like depending 

517
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,400
on what kind of video, if I'm 
doing a video where I purposely 

518
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,400
have to say specific things, I 
get so frustrated. 

519
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,560
I'm on the 8th take. 
I'm looking right at the script 

520
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,680
that I know I need to say cuz I 
for this, for this particular 

521
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,280
segment, I have to say it this 
way and it's very frustrating 

522
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,360
and I know I'll get there 
eventually, but it is, it is a, 

523
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,720
it is a taxing part of the 
process of actually filming it. 

524
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,760
And then the part sometimes like
I know what I visually want to 

525
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,480
see and want to say, is that 
happening when I get down to my 

526
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,080
laptop and I'm start editing? 
Did it? 

527
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,960
Is my vision going to come 
across in the video? 

528
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,040
Yep, Yep. 
It's like, you know, especially 

529
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,480
solo and, and most people out 
here listening to this are solo 

530
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,320
content creators. 
They don't have someone editing 

531
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,920
and filming for them. 
And so that's a whole thing. 

532
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,040
Solo content creation can be 
tough. 

533
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,080
Taxing is the best word for it 
because you just feel this 

534
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,560
burden and then the fact that 
when you do start speaking, you 

535
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,840
do feel like maybe it's good. 
There's a good chance it wasn't 

536
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,880
good. 
You know, you can't have the the

537
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,000
pre planning, the pre 
production, the talent and then 

538
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,040
know what's coming through that 
camera lens. 

539
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,160
You know, you just sometimes you
got to cross your fingers and 

540
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,400
hope that it's something usable 
or you just send it to the 

541
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,840
editor and hope they can take 
care of it. 

542
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,280
You know, doesn't edit a an 
issue out, but yeah, it it's 

543
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,560
taxing, but then it's, it's also
the most rewarding. 

544
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,440
That's how I get through it. 
Bobby is, is I know it's going 

545
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,360
to be tough, but I also always 
know that when the product is 

546
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:18,720
finished, I always feel 
gratified. 

547
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,160
I feel like everything that I 
did was worth it, even if it 

548
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,720
wasn't great. 
I don't hate the editing 

549
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,000
process. 
It's kind of where you can 

550
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,480
creatively flow into this 
direction or that direction. 

551
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,480
And then once it's done, you 
just want to send it to all your

552
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,040
friends. 
You know, you're so proud of it.

553
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,520
And that is worth. 
And I do keep that in mind when 

554
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,040
I'm in that little trench of I 
don't want to get out there or 

555
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,600
you're on whole 1. 
And it's like, Dang, I just want

556
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,400
to throw the Frisbee sometimes, 
you know? 

557
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,040
So what are your thoughts of 
some of that creates your own 

558
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,160
content, some of that it works 
for a company and helps them by 

559
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,600
creating content and helping in 
their marketing direction? 

560
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,520
What are your thoughts on the 
sentiment of touring players and

561
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:01,320
the need to for them to generate
their own social media content? 

562
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,360
A good thing, a bad thing? 
Who should? 

563
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,360
I've always been on the side 
that manufacturers should take 

564
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,640
care of marketing players. 
I think, I don't think that it's

565
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,480
100% on the manufacturer, but I 
think the manufacturer has this 

566
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,600
product, this player that is a 
product. 

567
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,160
And if they're awesome, why 
would you not as an owner, this 

568
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,400
company owner, want to tell 
people, consumers about this 

569
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,200
product that you have that's so 
awesome. 

570
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,520
So I do think a lot of it does 
or should fall in the 

571
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:38,880
manufacturer. 
I think they should be doing 

572
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,280
everything they they can. 
You know, if you want a touring 

573
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,280
player to have their media team 
them themselves, why can't a 

574
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,040
company at least have a media 
team to do some of those things?

575
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,480
Now, outside of that, I think 
that is more like commercials, 

576
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,560
ads, things that are a little 
more polished, you know, high 

577
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,640
production where you have them 
come in and and you know, you 

578
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,320
know what you're doing. 
And then there's also a side 

579
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,000
that is on them. 
And I think that started to 

580
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,560
shift recently is that it 
doesn't matter what you put out 

581
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,800
on your social media, if you 
have a name in the sport, it 

582
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,880
doesn't have to be the best 
quality, doesn't have to be the 

583
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,760
best idea, doesn't have to be 
better than most people care 

584
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,880
about what their favorite pros 
are doing. 

585
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,720
So I think it's so important for
the player to also just be, have

586
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,560
a presence. 
You know, you can't not have a 

587
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,880
presence these days and and have
a following. 

588
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,880
So I think the player should 
care just as much as the 

589
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,560
manufacturer because in the end 
you're trying to get a consumer 

590
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,680
to buy into the product, which 
is the player. 

591
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,480
Make them fans, you know, make 
them want to buy anything 

592
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,280
they're selling, go out to these
events and watch them play, 

593
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,840
things like that. 
I don't want to call it 5050. 

594
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,120
I used to be more manufacturer 
should take care of most of it. 

595
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,080
And I do think it's a lot for 
the players to have to try to 

596
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,240
keep up with that because I know
how hard it is for someone who's

597
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,120
not on the road all the time and
and playing a full tour. 

598
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,720
I would probably call it like 
6040 though, on the 

599
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,960
manufacturer. 
And also because the ads, the 

600
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,680
commercials can be more 
impactful when they're run for 

601
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,040
multiple weeks. 
You know, there's money put 

602
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,480
behind them. 
Players aren't doing that. 

603
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,200
Players aren't making that high 
quality stuff. 

604
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,160
I think we are missing 
manufacturers showcasing their 

605
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,640
products in a higher production 
way, you know? 

606
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,880
I I would say it's a very 
delicate balance because people,

607
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,400
I don't know if the word expect 
is right, but people, I think 

608
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,040
they tend to expect disc golf to
have the same resources as say 

609
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,800
tennis or golf or football or or
baseball. 

610
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,520
You know, we just don't have the
same resources. 

611
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,320
We don't, you know, you have, 
you have these top players that 

612
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,680
have APR team, right? 
They have a team of people 

613
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,040
helping them with their PR and 
their social media and their 

614
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,640
content and marketing stuff like
that. 

615
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,720
So we're just not there yet, 
right? 

616
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,160
We're not a sports that's there 
yet, but people are kind of used

617
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,760
to that. 
And so I tend to kind of put the

618
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,440
burden a little bit more when I 
would say put the burden. 

619
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,560
That's the percentage. 
Weigh the percentage in the 

620
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:09,520
other way. 
Right. 

621
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,520
And, and in that I, I've looked 
at a lot of pros and I, I mean 

622
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,440
literally meetings with pros for
2026 and, and let them know 

623
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,240
you've got to put in some of the
work of the media if you want to

624
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,200
hit your disc off goals. 
I'm going to help amplify what 

625
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,600
you do. 
And we're going to be doing 

626
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,680
things together. 
I'm going to be figuring things 

627
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,760
out to work with you. 
But, you know, if you want to 

628
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,120
make it in disc golf, whether 
it's with us for the next 10 

629
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,160
years or somebody else, you've 
got to make a name for yourself 

630
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,320
and you've got to market 
yourself. 

631
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,960
So yeah. 
I mean it's. 

632
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,120
The state of disc golf right 
now. 

633
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,160
It is, and it's it's probably 
the most important thing right 

634
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,360
now for a player is, you know, 
you could be a a good enough 

635
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,200
player to stay on tour, but have
a, a presence that's better than

636
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,240
most and you're going to do just
fine. 

637
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,880
An online presence that's better
than most and you're going to do

638
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,440
just fine. 
So yeah, completely seeing it, 

639
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,120
it's not hard to have a presence
online. 

640
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,720
It's a little more difficult if 
you take it a step further and a

641
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,880
step further and then, you know,
you're always up in it, which we

642
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,400
all should try to get better. 
But it's not hard to post 

643
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,600
weekly, to have people have you 
top of mind, you know, and 

644
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,080
that's easier for these touring 
players than a manufacturer 

645
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,520
because videos look different 
from a manufacturer versus a, 

646
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,240
you know, a player. 
All right, let's talk about 

647
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,640
2026. 
What do you got? 

648
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,520
What do you got up your sleeve? 
What do you got planned for 

649
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,880
20/26? 
Personally for me. 

650
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,040
Yeah, for your personal, 
personal disc golf and your 

651
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,680
personal content. 
I've got a few things I don't 

652
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,160
know that I can announce just 
yet, but sponsorship working 

653
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,680
this offseason. 
Not a manufacturer or something 

654
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,920
like that, but a few big events.
I'm, I'm kind of done trying to 

655
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,640
play every single event I can 
and again, try to get the rating

656
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,400
as high as again, I can. 
I went to Ledgestone last year 

657
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,600
and played, but also I had more 
fun just being there as a as a 

658
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,360
spectator. 
This year I'm going to try to 

659
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,560
get to worlds. 
This S is another one I would 

660
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,320
love to go, you know, network. 
I think at Ledgestone, I took it

661
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,239
as a learning lesson that you 
don't have to necessarily have a

662
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,320
plan when you go to these 
places, but the networking, if 

663
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,880
you're willing to put yourself 
out there, the networking is 

664
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,520
going to happen. 
There are so many people and 

665
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,360
friends that I have met, you 
know, from that one week there 

666
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,440
and opportunities that have kind
of come from that. 

667
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,520
So I'm going to try to go and 
spectate a little more, you 

668
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,600
know, as a spectator, as a fan 
of the sport, but also, you 

669
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,320
know, someone who's trying to 
make a bigger name for 

670
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,239
themselves in the networking. 
I would have loved to go to Disc

671
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,199
East, but it's here. 
It's coming up soon. 

672
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:44,280
The wife works. 
Not going to be able to get off 

673
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,800
for that. 
As far as 1010 stuff, we're just

674
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,280
going to be doing the same, you 
know, trying to up the the 

675
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,920
YouTube videos. 
Ideally the more videos, the 

676
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,920
better. 
You know, I'd like to see that 

677
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,520
at 10K by the end of the year. 
This year. 

678
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,440
No, I'm I'm a guy who doesn't 
plan out his schedule. 

679
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,040
I've kind of been like this for 
forever. 

680
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,760
I play a lot of local events, 
you know, a lot of events here 

681
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,760
in Arkansas, in the in the 
connecting states. 

682
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,880
And I almost just wait till I 
see it on Facebook or I know 

683
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,600
it's an event that I play often 
or, you know, every year. 

684
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,880
So I've never been a guy who 
will register for multiple 

685
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,600
events at the start of the year 
and know exactly what I'm going 

686
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,360
to play. 
And now I have a wife and two 

687
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,680
kids and so that's even harder 
to do. 

688
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,120
So I'm going to play the events 
that I'm free to play, and I'm 

689
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,560
going to try to go vend and 
network at a few of these bigger

690
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,880
events like Worlds and this 
South. 

691
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,080
Excuse me? 
No, it's OK. 

692
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,320
All right. 
Well, that sounds good. 

693
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,160
I look forward to seeing what 
you got. 

694
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,560
Put what you put out on the 
YouTube channel, for sure. 

695
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:54,320
I agree with you. 
Media, of course. 

696
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,280
That's why I do what I do. 
I think media is such an 

697
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,360
important part of telling a 
story, telling your brand story,

698
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,960
telling your own story. 
And so, yeah, I think that's 

699
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,080
awesome. 
I look forward to seeing what 

700
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,640
you put out. 
Appreciate it. 

701
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,800
What about? 
Go ahead, go ahead. 

702
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,560
Oh, no, I was going to tell you 
so at the end of the show, what 

703
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,800
I like to do with some of the 
guests is open this up for any 

704
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,640
questions you have. 
I always feel weird, like like 

705
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,040
I'm being egotistical, like you 
asked me something now. 

706
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,120
No, but but it's like, you know,
is. 

707
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,960
Is there anything you've ever 
been curious about, or a topic 

708
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:31,640
you want to kind of unpack? 
Maybe, maybe two things. 

709
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,800
Do you? 
Let me think about how to phrase

710
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,080
this. 
Back in the day, dynamic disc 

711
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:46,960
was beginner friendly, might be 
the best way to put it. 

712
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,840
It's not that it was all focused
on beginners, but I would assume

713
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,520
you sold more beginner discs 
than you did pro discs and you 

714
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,320
guys did a good job. 
Beginner discs than pro discs, 

715
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,640
less stable, lighter weights 
than your overstable 12 speeds. 

716
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,840
Let me say that. 
I understood it, but yeah. 

717
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,320
And that's something I realized 
being at 10:10, working there 

718
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,040
now, is that you sell a lot more
beginner discs, lightweight, 

719
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,280
under stable mids and fairways 
than you do any other discs that

720
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,640
that shocked me. 
Do you feel, was it intentional 

721
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,160
back in the day to have the feel
that beginners are welcome? 

722
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,920
That's probably the best way to 
say it. 

723
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:29,880
From the podcast to the YouTube 
videos to the disc, it felt like

724
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,320
a place beginners were welcome, 
which is probably the best way 

725
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,520
to grow the sport to get the 
youth involved, youth involved. 

726
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,320
That might not be a direct 
question. 

727
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,560
How do you feel about the look 
that you guys had as far as what

728
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,840
you're trying to do target 
beginners, if that's what it was

729
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,680
about and how do you go about 
that now? 

730
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,400
Is that something you're 
thinking about now when you're 

731
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,520
redeveloping some of these 
things, like the podcast and the

732
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,000
YouTube video and things like 
that? 

733
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,920
So to, to the quick answer, the 
short answer, yes, very much so.

734
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,600
That was the whole focus When I 
mean, I remember when I first 

735
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,840
started first when I started 
doing disc golf media for Resco 

736
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,240
and it was part time, it was 
really just to showcase their, 

737
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,560
their tournaments, just to get 
the awareness out there. 

738
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,960
Like they have a tour, they do a
lot of tournaments and they are 

739
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,560
cool. 
They play the cool music at 

740
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,960
their events. 
They they put together really 

741
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,200
cool player packs and they're 
great people. 

742
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,520
And then when I got on full time
time, that was my thing was I 

743
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,960
wanted someone that I wanted to 
be on have so much content out 

744
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:42,280
there that if you came across a 
disc golf video and you typed in

745
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,400
disc golf on YouTube or 
anywhere, searched something 

746
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,880
from us should pop up. 
And so then, and it's got to be 

747
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,800
something beginner friendly so 
that if you're getting into it, 

748
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,800
we're the ones that you're going
to learn from and then you're 

749
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,160
going to associate our name with
beginner friendly. 

750
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,720
I mean, that was the whole point
of starting disc golf. 

751
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,240
Answer man was are you trying to
get better at disc golf? 

752
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:04,680
Are you trying to learn how to 
run an event? 

753
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,400
We're going to answer the 
question for you. 

754
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,640
I used to listen to them all the
time and I and I at the time I 

755
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,080
was more, I was an advanced 
player, but I, you know, the 

756
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,240
questions didn't pertain to me 
necessarily. 

757
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,680
They were about super beginner 
stuff, but I loved them. 

758
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,680
I love, you know, consuming. 
I'm still the same way. 

759
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,120
I consume everything I can. 
I just love it. 

760
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,240
I love people's perspectives but
I I enjoyed it for what it was 

761
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:27,040
as well I think. 
Is this disc right for you? 

762
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,240
The whole point was to show a 
pro and then an average guy and 

763
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:35,120
then me, the below average guy. 
But yeah, it was to show that 

764
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,200
the, you know, what is this disc
going to do for you? 

765
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,280
Is it even a great disc for you?
So that was it, yes. 

766
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,760
It's all beginner friendly, all 
for the people that just get 

767
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,640
into the sport or are very 
casual into the sport. 

768
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,760
But then if you're turning pro, 
we still had discs for you. 

769
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,880
Now to your, the other part of 
your question is that a focus 

770
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,520
that now that's just the way I 
approach it. 

771
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,480
The way I approach it is we're 
we're that we just like to have 

772
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,240
a good time. 
There's some there are some 

773
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:03,760
people here that are some 
amazing workers. 

774
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,400
Unfortunately, their story 
stopped being told and. 

775
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,520
Yes, that that's something that 
I I had this thought of not long

776
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,840
ago, a couple days ago that I 
knew. 

777
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,120
I forget her name, but the lady 
that worked there might have 

778
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,800
been Eric's wife that loves 
purple Denise. 

779
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,880
How about that? 
I feel like back in the day, we 

780
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,440
did hear their stories. 
We did hear, you know, and there

781
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,480
there's a whole nother story to 
the change up and all that. 

782
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,000
But that is something that did 
make us players feel like we 

783
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,200
knew what was going on, you 
know, transparency in just a 

784
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,680
playful way that we knew the 
things that were going on after 

785
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,120
hours on the on the little 
Segway, things like that. 

786
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,240
So, yeah, that that I feel like 
might be a part of it as well. 

787
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,480
The story stopped. 
I like the way you put that. 

788
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,800
And then, yeah, the story, yeah,
the, the personal story stopped 

789
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,560
being told and it began to take 
on a different, a whole 

790
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,800
different angle. 
But that's what I'm working 

791
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,240
toward getting back is that it's
just me, Jackie, Eric and 

792
00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:59,960
Bennett going out and playing 
and have a good time. 

793
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:03,040
It's just me and you talking 
about discs that are just that 

794
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,840
are coming out. 
It's just me and you talking 

795
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,280
about new releases because 
that's what it is. 

796
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,520
I'm just sharing it with you on 
on a personal level. 

797
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:14,080
So yes, that is definitely in my
mind and my strategy as I think 

798
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,520
of projects and do certain 
things. 

799
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,520
Yeah, that's awesome. 
What? 

800
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,200
OK, you ready for the second 
one? 

801
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,200
Yes, Sir. 
And we're not going to get into 

802
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,080
it because I'm not going to ask 
you the same question you've 

803
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,960
been asking a million times. 
But with we'll call it the the 

804
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:33,680
shake up with the shake up and 
rumors coming about X company or

805
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,040
whatever. 
I'm not going to ask you a 

806
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:43,960
direct question about that. 
But with with the the 

807
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,800
perception, that's the word I'm 
looking for the perception that 

808
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:48,920
there is there. 
Now. 

809
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,600
What is your plan to try to end 
this? 

810
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,600
I don't want this to be too 
deep. 

811
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,920
What is the plan to try to work 
out of that? 

812
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:01,440
If you know, if your only goal 
is to get a perception that is 

813
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,240
back to the way it used to be, 
back to the grassroots or back 

814
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,400
to whatever your perception you 
want it to be. 

815
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,080
Just moving forward today's day 
one, where would you like to see

816
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,360
things go? 
What would you like to do to 

817
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,000
change the perception in the way
you guys want it to be? 

818
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:23,400
So first of all, and I don't, I 
don't no holds barred, when you 

819
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,800
say perception, tell me the 
perception that you're talking 

820
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,200
about. 
Currently, yeah. 

821
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,360
Well, the perception of it going
corporate when House of this 

822
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:37,240
bought in that there is a 
company in House of Discs that 

823
00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:40,680
might be falling apart. 
And to my mind, I would not 

824
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,680
consider, you know, with all the
companies in that umbrella, I 

825
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,480
wouldn't consider it DD. 
But there's rumors, you know, 

826
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,160
we've we've both seen them. 
So the perception that DD or one

827
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,960
of the House of Disc companies 
is going downhill, not how do 

828
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,200
you fix that, but where do you 
head? 

829
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:04,600
And I don't want to say like 
avoid it, but where do you want 

830
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,280
the perception to be? 
No, that's, no, that's actually 

831
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,120
a very, very good question. 
And I wanted to hear exactly 

832
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,760
what you meant because I want to
make sure that I, I addressed 

833
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,720
the exact thing. 
Yeah. 

834
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,960
And I, and I smile because I 
hear other pod disc golf 

835
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,480
podcasts. 
We're an easy target. 

836
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,880
Sure. 
When, when, when the topic of 

837
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,800
disc golf is going away or it's 
ending or this is terrible. 

838
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,520
The Trilogy logos up there, the 
the House of Disk logos up 

839
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,440
there. 
Because we've become click bait.

840
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,200
Right. 
Yep, Yep. 

841
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,680
And that's why it's a perception
that you know, it's not 

842
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,440
something you can just do 
something about. 

843
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,760
Right. 
And I've heard them talk. 

844
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:42,480
I say them because it's a 
particular podcast, I'm thinking

845
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:48,120
or so, but it seems that they do
like to pick on the cap, the 

846
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,200
venture capitalist, the VC, the 
corporate and everything like 

847
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,840
that. 
Now, I'm not going to shy away 

848
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,160
from it. 
Yeah, there was a time where it 

849
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,160
had a very corporate feel, 
right? 

850
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:03,040
But the part that I, I can, I 
and I read things on Reddit, I 

851
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,520
see people talk about videos and
I just want to get on there. 

852
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,840
And I want to say you guys don't
know what you're talking about. 

853
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,560
Sure, you don't know the behind 
the scenes, But I can't, I, I, I

854
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,560
do try to live off being 
transparent, but I can't be 

855
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,200
completely transparent, right? 
I can't show you the numbers and

856
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,200
stuff like that. 
But to say that any one of the 

857
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,720
companies are going away or 
bankrupt. 

858
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,960
I mean, I see comments like Dee 
Dee's going to be gone in a 

859
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,800
year. 
No, we're not I, we looked at 

860
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,160
the numbers today. 
We're doing OK. 

861
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,960
We're not, we're not a brand 
that's like falling apart or the

862
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,920
the nipa sinking. 
Now again, I wasn't here a year 

863
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,680
ago. 
I wasn't here two years ago. 

864
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,600
I didn't. 
I don't know the numbers. 

865
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,360
I do know that there was there 
was a rough time. 

866
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,240
It was rough. 
There's no denying that it was 

867
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:51,600
rough. 
But right now we're looking 

868
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,480
good. 
Things are good, things are 

869
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,160
feeling good. 
It feel there's like a whole 

870
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,480
different feel for 2026. 
So when I see, when I see things

871
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,720
like that, where people pick on 
us and things like that, I just 

872
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,880
want to go. 
I don't want to take it 

873
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,720
personal, but I do because I've,
I live and breathe Dynamic 

874
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:07,080
Discs. 
But we're, we're not going 

875
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,200
anywhere. 
We're not hurting. 

876
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,040
We're not, we're not withering 
away. 

877
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,240
The numbers aren't, no, the 
numbers aren't fantastic, right.

878
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:15,640
Like before I left, I remember 
the numbers were amazing. 

879
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,280
They're just not those. 
But they're not anything that 

880
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,200
makes me. 
I'm not looking for another job.

881
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,680
Yeah. 
And you, you know, and this is 

882
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,080
kind of a good platform to for 
you to be able to say, you know,

883
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,920
you coming in kind of not being 
the change, but ideally you want

884
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,800
to be a part of the change to 
make it back to what that family

885
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,520
feel that it used to be. 
Do you have plans you know, or 

886
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,480
do you have that thoughts as to 
what that might look like? 

887
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,280
The strategy is just going back 
to what I was doing before, 

888
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,360
which was doing interviews like 
this, reaching out to people 

889
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,520
outside of the dynamic disc 
bubble, the House of this bubble

890
00:45:53,840 --> 00:46:00,040
and talking to people the to do 
the videos the way we I love 

891
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,920
doing videos, the way we like 
doing videos so that again, as 

892
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,640
people, we're rebuilding our 
presence on YouTube. 

893
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,080
As people come across disc golf 
videos, they're going to come 

894
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,720
across one of ours and they're 
going to see they're either 

895
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:13,360
going to like us or they're 
going to hate us or they hate 

896
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,120
us. 
No big deal. 

897
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,000
There's there's plenty of other 
disc golf videos to watch, but I

898
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,560
imagine based on his history, 
people are going to tend to like

899
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:26,360
us. 
The the things we do in the disc

900
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,480
golf community. 
We still do a lot of stuff. 

901
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,160
We still help with tournament 
sponsorships. 

902
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,960
We actually have the best, some 
of the best prices when it comes

903
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,920
to sponsorship packages. 
But they just people didn't know

904
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,720
about it because of all the 
other stuff that took the 

905
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:41,520
headline. 
Sure. 

906
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:46,440
Do you think that's part of the 
strategy is, is you know, and it

907
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,280
kind of goes back to what you 
were doing, just telling people 

908
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,440
what you have going on, whether 
that's a person working there or

909
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,920
an event you're sponsoring or, 
you know, GBO was a huge thing 

910
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,480
back in the day where you got 
the, the restaurants involved, 

911
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,680
things like that. 
And again, the social media is 

912
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,160
the platform to you for you to 
be able to tell people, you 

913
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,080
know, we're still doing this, 
We're still helping out the 

914
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,000
community in this way. 
We're still sponsoring this, you

915
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,320
know, that that sounds like that
might be. 

916
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,720
And then the beginner thing, 
you're going to have beginners 

917
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:15,320
on YouTube searching how to 
throw a disk, you know, or how 

918
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,360
to throw a forehand. 
And those people aren't going to

919
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,400
have a perception of, of what 
Reddit thinks or what a certain 

920
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,240
podcast thinks. 
So you're capturing kind of a 

921
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:27,360
new audience to a video that 
they should find you guys on. 

922
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,320
And and there's a a relationship
built in kind of the same market

923
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,360
that you guys were were in last 
time. 

924
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,240
Yeah, yeah. 
There's nothing that I'm 

925
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:37,720
reinventing. 
We're just getting back to the 

926
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:40,880
way we do it, do it. 
But even in that, even in in 

927
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,960
that, they were still doing it. 
Just no one was telling others 

928
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,480
about sure. 
Right. 

929
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,640
Yeah, not that. 
Yep, that that's that was my job

930
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,200
is to tell, that's what 
marketing is to tell you the 

931
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,000
same thing over and over. 
And I'm just telling you the 

932
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,480
same thing over and over again, 
right. 

933
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,920
I just may package it different.
It may be a real, it may be a 

934
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,560
static image. 
It may be an ad you see on 

935
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,160
Discord pro Tour, but it's the 
same message over and over 

936
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,000
again. 
And that, but they didn't really

937
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,160
have anybody that was doing that
in a way that resonated with 

938
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,240
people and the way they 
resonated with it back in the 

939
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:13,960
day. 
And that's just what I'm so it's

940
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,640
not going to be any big touch 
change. 

941
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,120
No, it's just going to be 
slowly. 

942
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,320
I mean, I remember when I first 
got back, that was people were 

943
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,240
like, Oh my God, I'm seeing 
dynamic discs in my feet again. 

944
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:25,560
Yes. 
That was me. 

945
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,280
I was, I was enjoying it. 
That was on purpose, you know, 

946
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,240
and I mean one of the now one of
the new things I guess is we're 

947
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:34,320
doing dynamic disc community 
Spotlight. 

948
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,480
We are going to every month, 
we're going to give away a 

949
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,480
Ranger bag and a handful of 
discs. 

950
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,200
Things are going to be like 5 or
6 discs and we're going to reach

951
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,360
out to clubs and organizations. 
We're going to be like, hey, 

952
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,320
who's in your organization that 
just, they show up to volunteer,

953
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,320
they show up to clean up the 
course. 

954
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,320
They, they just show up. 
We want to, we want to recognize

955
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,360
them and reward them. 
So we're going to do one in 

956
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,200
January. 
We reached out to our team 

957
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,520
members right now. 
We just kept it kind of closed 

958
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,320
to kind of build the system in 
the in the process. 

959
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,600
And we have a handful of people 
that were nominated. 

960
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,200
We're going to give away some 
some prizes and then we're going

961
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:15,080
to have people. 
Yeah, I love that. 

962
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,160
Yeah, I mean, that's just, we're
just, it's like, and a lot of 

963
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,800
people go like, well, you're 
just doing it for show. 

964
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,640
Well, sure, we're giving to the 
community like we already do. 

965
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,320
We're just going to be talking 
about it on social media. 

966
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,520
That's a tough line of not 
trying to look like you're 

967
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,480
boasting for cleaning up the 
course or for doing something 

968
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,880
like that, giving back to the 
community, you know? 

969
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,720
The humble brag. 
They call it the humble brag so.

970
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,640
You just got to post it, move on
to the next because it you know 

971
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,080
somebody out there is going to 
find something valuable out of 

972
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,160
out of every video. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

973
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,800
So no, that's a great question. 
So that's the biggest thing is 

974
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,280
that, yes, the brand, there is a
brand perception out there. 

975
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,920
And the only way or the way to 
combat that is just to put our 

976
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,200
positive message out there where
people can see it. 

977
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,280
And then either either we're 
going to convince you that we're

978
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,640
not these, that's the thing. 
Yes, yes, we have a board. 

979
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,800
Yes, we have to give them our 
numbers, We have to tell them 

980
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,320
what we think we're going to do.
And then we got to tell them if 

981
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,520
we did it or we didn't do it and
why we did it. 

982
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,440
But when it comes to like, what 
disks should we put out? 

983
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,920
What disks do we need? 
What should we name that disk, 

984
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,560
what apparel should be? 
We are making that decision. 

985
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,840
Yeah, the board is not making 
that decision. 

986
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,320
Yeah. 
And the biggest thing, you 

987
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,320
probably don't have people 
necessarily putting parameters 

988
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,440
on your media saying you can and
can't do this. 

989
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,640
And that's that was the. 
Best way when When David 

990
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,400
Berglund of Latitude 64 reached 
out to me and they started 

991
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,520
talking about the job, I said 
I'm only going to take this job 

992
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,800
if you let me do what I do. 
Yeah, your style. 

993
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,600
I love it, right. 
And I think we've seen you on 

994
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,840
the Segway once already, right? 
Yeah, yeah, I did it one, I did 

995
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,040
it one time. 
I'm going to start doing it 

996
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,960
again. 
There was just, there's a lot 

997
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,400
going on that I had to get my my
head wrapped around. 

998
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,560
Plus the warehouse is vastly 
different than what it used to 

999
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,200
be. 
It's got all the brands in 

1000
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:56,600
there. 
So it's like, how do I make? 

1001
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,440
This. 
How do I make this work with all

1002
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,080
the brands? 
So true, so true. 

1003
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,400
Yep, I haven't even thought 
about that. 

1004
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,000
Yeah, so it's been. 6-7 years 
since I've been out there. 

1005
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,120
Yeah, so. 
But yeah, anyway. 

1006
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,760
That's awesome. 
Real quick, and this isn't a 

1007
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,240
deep one. 
I love this from from a podcast 

1008
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:14,320
that's out there. 
What is a disc golf pet peeve 

1009
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,760
you have? 
It can be small, it can be big. 

1010
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,120
I know Isaac Robinson, he 
answered me one time and said he

1011
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,760
hates when people leave the port
a potty door unlocked because 

1012
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,480
because he can walk in on 
somebody. 

1013
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,480
So it could be anything, whether
it's tour related, you know, to 

1014
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,080
do with the company, to do with 
players, anything. 

1015
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,720
Oh, oh, here's OK, here's OK. 
And this just happened maybe 

1016
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:44,280
about a month or so ago and I 
just find it and maybe OK, so 

1017
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,000
people know that Latitude 64 has
a factory, right? 

1018
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,680
And they make our discs now, 
Discmania and Castoplasts. 

1019
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,080
They are different plastics. 
People think we screw. 

1020
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,280
They're like, Oh my God, it's 
just it's just opto. 

1021
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,280
No, it's not it is different 
now. 

1022
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,240
It's maybe I don't know the 
whole process. 

1023
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:05,680
I'm not the guy behind it, but 
it it's different. 

1024
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,240
However, latitude 64 W side 
discs and dynamic discs. 

1025
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:15,560
Yes, the opto is an opto is a 
lucid is a whatever. 

1026
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,400
What is it TP and West side. 
Is it tournament plastic or no? 

1027
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,960
No, it's Oh my God, I can't put 
the I can't think of. 

1028
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,280
It turn it. 
What is the equivalent of lucid 

1029
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,200
in? 
I can see it. 

1030
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,480
The Prince, the. 
Now I gotta look it up. 

1031
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,960
Yeah, please. 
West Side. 

1032
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,080
VIP. 
VIP. 

1033
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:38,480
Boom, how about that? 
There you. 

1034
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,880
Go good memory. 
So the yes, those. 

1035
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,400
In the trilogy, in the old. 
Trilogy is the same plastic but 

1036
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,640
yet I saw a survey of people 
saying who makes the best 

1037
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:55,240
plastic and they literally had 
latitude one place West side and

1038
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:59,480
dynamic disk way below and I'm 
like it's the same plastic. 

1039
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,280
You see the brand? 
Perception. 

1040
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,280
It's the perception people and 
it it almost and unfortunately 

1041
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,480
that's the big thing I have to 
combat is that it becomes the 

1042
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:10,680
thing. 
In other words, they don't. 

1043
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,600
And I even remember I talked to 
a couple of content creators 

1044
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,520
about this offline. 
They're like, I don't know why I

1045
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,760
didn't like dynamic disks. 
I'm not sure why nobody was 

1046
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,080
talking about it. 
It is a weird. 

1047
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,920
Perception it is. 
Thing. 

1048
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,960
I know not like it. 
So so that's that's my pet peeve

1049
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,120
is when something like that when
people now The thing is, that's 

1050
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,040
my job. 
That's my job is to sure to 

1051
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,800
change that perception and not 
necessarily to tell people it's 

1052
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,200
the same plastic, but to to get 
people's perceptions where when 

1053
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,720
questions like that comes up, 
they don't automatically have a 

1054
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:43,560
negative connotation around the 
brand. 

1055
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,440
So true. 
OK, I love that. 

1056
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,120
Yeah, that actually blew my mind
when I saw that where people 

1057
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:50,880
were like, I was like, dude, 
it's the same. 

1058
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,280
I like West Side. 
They just make the greatest and 

1059
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:58,160
then DDS way below and I'm like,
anyway, it's all good. 

1060
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,640
It's human nature. 
And that's why I love marketing.

1061
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,840
Is is figuring out human nature 
and. 

1062
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,760
Studying it and adapting what 
you're selling around it or 

1063
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:07,880
yeah, the brand. 
Perception. 

1064
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,920
Absolutely. 
So, yeah, well, good. 

1065
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,640
These are some great questions. 
I appreciate that, man. 

1066
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:12,880
Yeah. 
Not a problem. 

1067
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:14,960
Alright, well thanks again for 
being on here. 

1068
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,720
So now if people want to follow 
you, and if they want to follow 

1069
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:20,880
you on the 1010 side, I'm 
assuming they just look up 1010 

1070
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,280
disks on all the social medias 
and they'll find it. 

1071
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,360
So they'll find the 1010 page, 
of course, 1010 discs on 

1072
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:27,880
YouTube, Instagram, things like 
that. 

1073
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:32,520
And then my personal page on 
YouTube and Instagram, Facebook,

1074
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,960
as well as KMAC, KMAC under 
score disc, You can just type my

1075
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,200
name in as well and that should 
pull it up. 

1076
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,760
But KMAC disc? 
Yes Sir. 

1077
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,320
I appreciate it. 
Well, again, thank you so much 

1078
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,760
for being on the show. 
And let's, I'd love to have been

1079
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,640
telling everybody 5-6, seven 
months down the road, let's 

1080
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,000
check back in, see what's going 
on, what you got going on. 

1081
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,240
I love it. 
I love it. 

1082
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,200
Sounds good. 
Thanks, Bobby.