1 00:00:04,520 --> 00:00:05,960 All right, Amy, how are you doing today? 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:08,360 I'm doing great. How about yourself? 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:10,720 I'm doing fantastic. I appreciate you getting on the 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,640 show with me to talk a little bit about running a disc golf 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,560 store, running events, and then we'll talk a little later about 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,920 Veterans for Vets. That's this the season that's 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,760 kind of coming up here for us here at Dynamic Discs. 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,600 But first tell everybody a little bit about how you got 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,560 your start in disc golf and that how you decided to hey, I want 10 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,240 to open a disc golf store in Tulsa. 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,360 Oh, it's actually a fun story. My husband picked it up. 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,640 He started playing disc golf and he would be like, I mean, I'm 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,000 gonna go play disc golf and I'd be like, OK, whatever. 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,000 And I was finally, I started asking questions. 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,200 I was like, what exactly are you doing? 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,120 And he's like, explain the game to me. 17 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,200 And I was like, you're throwing discs in the woods. 18 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,960 And he was like, Yep. So one day I decided I was going 19 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:02,920 to see what this was. So I went up to Chandler Park. 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,640 That's one of our courses here in Tulsa that's very popular. 21 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,400 And they were playing and I watched and I got intrigued and 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,960 so I went started playing with him after that. 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,760 And Tulsa had a couple of locations where you can get some 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,240 discs. But as a female, First off, 25 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,560 trying to find discs that were good for me was very, very hard. 26 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,760 The stores have destroyers, the stores have sergeants, the 27 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,840 stores have all the different high speed drivers. 28 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,240 They don't have a lot of the under stable discs. 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:41,920 They don't have a lot of the discs that are good for people 30 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,120 who are beginners, First off, and a female. 31 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,760 So we would we start asking around and talking to people and 32 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,560 saying, hey, what if we opened up a store? 33 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,440 What would you think? And everybody was gung ho on it. 34 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,640 And I had been laid off from my job and was sitting at home 35 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,600 bored. And so one day, Kent said, would 36 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,040 you get off the couch and get a job? 37 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,720 You're driving me nuts. And I was like, OK, I can do 38 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,960 that. And I said, how serious are you 39 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,560 about opening up a disc golf store? 40 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,720 And he said, let's do it. So I went out that afternoon and 41 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,640 found our location where we're at now. 42 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:20,400 We signed the lease the next day, took out some money out of 43 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,120 savings and voila, here we go. And that's. 44 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,600 What year was that? 2017. 2017, Wow. 45 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,520 OK, Yeah, that's awesome. Very cool. 46 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,480 So now specifically, let's talk about just the year since we're 47 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,040 kind of in, you know, we're in November, so people start 48 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,840 looking back at the year and stuff like that. 49 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,680 So looking back at 2025, what has surprised you the most about 50 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,840 having a disc golf store in Tulsa? 51 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,800 We have not. We still keep gaining customers. 52 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:58,160 We still have new people coming in all the time wanting to find 53 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:04,240 out about disc golf and it's just, and I've seen and heard 54 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:09,440 that it's declined in other states, but in our area a the 55 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:15,040 weather's a little better year round to play disc golf, but we 56 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,960 don't ever, we haven't seen that decline like other places are 57 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,080 saying that they're seen. Really. 58 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:27,240 Why do you think that is? We have so many courses. 59 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:33,440 To be totally honest, I think people see it so much, and Tulsa 60 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,520 as a city and the surrounding areas have really started 61 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:42,960 focusing on outdoor activities. They're putting in new trails, 62 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:49,840 they're putting in all sorts of new places for people to do 63 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,720 stuff outside. So Tulsa's kind of switched its 64 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:58,640 mentality from indoor activities more to outdoor activities, 65 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,200 especially among the young people. 66 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,880 A lot of them are putting away their their video games and are 67 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:09,040 getting out and doing stuff. Now that's becoming more of the 68 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,360 trend we're seeing. So we're seeing a lot more young 69 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,800 people actually coming in. Yeah, so, and I'm familiar, 70 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,959 obviously people know I'm, I live in Broken Arrow and I've 71 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:18,680 lived in Tulsa for most of my life. 72 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,279 So I know what's going on. And I know that like even the 73 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,640 river parks, the Riverside, you know, the huge investment out 74 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,560 there. So yes, definitely Tulsa is 75 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,440 definitely one of those communities where they are 76 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,600 investing in outdoor activities. So I can see how a sport like 77 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,400 disc golf would benefit from that type of mentality and 78 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,360 culture created. So yeah, so it's it sounds like, 79 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,120 or it seems like it to have successful store that you need 80 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,520 that type of community where outdoor activities is a thing 81 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,680 that people are used to doing. What's something that you notice 82 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,400 when new players come in that maybe surprises you when they 83 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,640 come in and they start asking questions about what discs 84 00:04:54,640 --> 00:05:01,560 should I throw? There it always stays about the 85 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:07,720 same that every new player comes in and they want, especially if 86 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,840 they've thrown in any of their friends discs. 87 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:12,400 Of course they want what their friends are throwing. 88 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,280 If they don't, we starter sets are fantastic. 89 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,600 Those are great what we use a lot of times and then we have a 90 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,160 huge use section here at the store. 91 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,480 That's another great place to get them a starter set so they 92 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:35,680 can go try it before they come in and start spending the little 93 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:42,880 bit more money on the new discs. So the starter sets are we sell 94 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,560 out of those things all the time. 95 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:49,560 We keep we just, they're a great tool for them, for the new 96 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:57,640 players, but we have a lot more women coming in playing now. 97 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,840 They won't play tournaments, they're just they want to play 98 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:08,200 with their significant other. But we've seen a lot more ladies 99 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,680 come in. So we've like, we've set up a 100 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,240 really large lightweight section specifically geared towards 101 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,560 females. Wow. 102 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,160 So other than more females coming in, is there anything 103 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,320 that over since, well, I guess looking back 2017, has there 104 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,840 been a like a change in the vibe as far as disc golfers that come 105 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:33,520 in and any kind of shift and how they think about or approach 106 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,120 disc golf over the last few years? 107 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:45,440 It is the vibe is kind of almost grown. 108 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:50,760 They've it seems like our players are taking a new people 109 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,640 are more interested in that the courses are actually taken care 110 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:05,400 of, that they're maintained. So I think that's it used to be 111 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,480 that they were just happy to have a course to play on. 112 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:12,560 Now that they have so many, it's actually hard to recommend 113 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:19,240 courses, you know, for newbies. The vibe though, I think it's 114 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,800 been just all when, when they skip, when they get the bug, 115 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,840 they are just excited and it just stinks. 116 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,320 And then it seems like life comes along. 117 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,320 They have kids and then we're starting to see like we had some 118 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,160 people that started out when we first opened the store. 119 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,120 Life happened. Now the kids are at an age where 120 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:47,040 they can actually either go play with them or they don't have to 121 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,880 drag them along with them or so now they're getting out and 122 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,320 playing again and having a blast at it so they can play again. 123 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:58,920 So our vibe here has always stayed very dynamic and very 124 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,000 hype, I guess is the best way to describe it. 125 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,640 Yeah, yeah, with having so many courses. 126 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,040 But the one thing I thought when you said this, it sounds like 127 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,760 some of the newer players maybe or, or the the disc golfer has 128 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,960 matured a little bit in a sense that like you said, at first, it 129 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,640 was just happy to have a course, you know, and have a variety of 130 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,560 courses. Now it's like, OK, but I want 131 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,480 the courses to be well manicured or at least mode. 132 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,720 I know I've gone to a couple courses and thought, man, they 133 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,960 haven't mowed this in a while. So it seems like that. 134 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,240 I don't want to say that the disc golfer has become more 135 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,679 picky, but maybe expected a little bit more. 136 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:41,880 I think so it's, we've kind of up until this year the rain was 137 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,760 a whole issue, but up until this year, the parks, you know, 138 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,720 normally we're never having to send. 139 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,000 And when I'm saying we, we have a group here in Tulsa called 140 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,520 Tulsa Disc Sports Association and we're, I'm an admin on that 141 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,320 board, but we work with the city and the county on the parks. 142 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,280 And so we've been working with them and this year we've had to 143 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,680 holler. We've got courses that need to 144 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:10,960 be mowed, We've got courses that need to be mowed. 145 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:17,360 And that gets very frustrating. And so people, when the courses 146 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,600 weren't being mowed, we had less people play. 147 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,120 They'd noticed that because no one wanted to. 148 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,840 I didn't want to go tripping through knee high grass. 149 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,040 You having those little black seeds stick to you and 150 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,840 everything else, it's not fun. It's just trying to find your 151 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,000 disc. It's miserable. 152 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,600 So we've noticed that we did have slowdowns when the main 153 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:46,680 courses haven't been mowed. Now you recently had Tulsa, just 154 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:50,120 recently had the the world, that was it, the world champs or the 155 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,000 AM championships? We had junior worlds. 156 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,680 Junior Worlds. We had Junior Worlds as a store 157 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:58,720 owner in a in a town where they're having a big event like 158 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,200 that. How does does that affect your 159 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,160 traffic at all? My gosh, it was incredible. 160 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:08,160 It it we had, we got to, we saw we were keeping track. 161 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:16,040 We had 11 of the 19 countries come into the store. 162 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:23,400 Wow, yes, we got to meet quite a few, like even Essie who's 163 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:30,080 playing right now in the European GGBT, Trinity Bryant. 164 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:34,680 We got to meet a lot of the juniors that are taking the 165 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:38,920 stage. And it was, it was fat. 166 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,480 It was so cool. We just had a blast getting to 167 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,040 meet everybody and have so many people come to the store for as 168 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,680 a store owner, it is very beneficial. 169 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,720 Yeah. Have something like that. 170 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,040 I remember how we we had it in Emporia and of course I was 171 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,240 doing some video work for it. And I would have to say, I mean, 172 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,800 I get excited when I go to big events just because you see 173 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,440 people playing and having a great time around disc golf. 174 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,920 But to see those little kids just put their all into it, like 175 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,400 they treat it as serious as like the adults. 176 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,400 And then I, I can't, I feel bad, but I don't remember his name, 177 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,480 but the 11 kid, he won. I think it was either MJ 12 or 178 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:24,280 or or younger, but he wanted he was so stinking excited and it 179 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,320 just was like the the emotion you felt was like, man, that is 180 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,720 so cool. Was there any particular moment 181 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,480 that you remember from having worlds there that that stuck out 182 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,680 to you to say, man, this is This is why I love being in in disc 183 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:39,840 golf. It was just the whole 184 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:45,400 environment and vibe. The players pack pickup was so 185 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:51,680 fun because we got to see almost every single kid hearing the 186 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:53,720 different languages being spoken. 187 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:59,000 When you were at it was just it was crazy. 188 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:06,440 The Chinese group that was here had the world's worst time 189 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:12,360 getting out of Tulsa. That one, I felt so horrible for 190 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,840 them. They called us and it asked if I 191 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,120 could take him to the airport from the Airbnb and I was glad 192 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,920 to. So when picked him up, took him 193 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,360 to the airport. About 10:00 that night I get a 194 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,960 phone call and their flights was one of the ones that have been 195 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,160 cancelled because there was a bunch of flight cancellations. 196 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:35,160 So we finally figured out how to get them over to the hotel. 197 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,840 They're out at the airport and thankfully they had rooms 198 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,440 available and they ended up sitting in the airport till the 199 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,800 next afternoon before they finally got out. 200 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,200 So that of course will always, you know, stuff like that. 201 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:55,680 You always, I stay in touch with the the guy that was sponsoring 202 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:59,200 them and brought them over and they're all having a blast. 203 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:04,680 So I think it's the friends that you make from stuff like that 204 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,960 that stand out of my line, my mind, 'cause like when I see EDA 205 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:13,680 on coverage, I get very excited because I know her and I get to, 206 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:17,760 I've watched her grow and I watched her unfortunately lose 207 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:26,280 on the last hole at Post Oak. And when I the sight that will 208 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:31,160 always stay in my head was her and Jennifer Allen hugging and 209 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,840 she was just in tears. And it just broke my heart. 210 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,040 I was thrilled for the other girl. 211 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,880 But you know what you that heartbreak hurts. 212 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,960 It makes it tough. So it's memories like that that 213 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,280 stay in your mind and make it worth it. 214 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,640 Absolutely, for sure. OK, so big, big events 215 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,000 definitely help, but I also know just from working at Dynamic 216 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,240 Discs that smaller events actually help as well. 217 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:01,520 And I know from your presence on the Tulsa Facebook page, the 218 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,480 disc golf page, that you guys run quite a few events during 219 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,680 the season. Tell me a little bit how, what 220 00:14:08,680 --> 00:14:11,720 do you think, in your opinion, what works better, the bigger 221 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,000 events or the smaller events? Or is it like maybe both? 222 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,360 It's both. People want the big events 223 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:24,040 because if they're competing, most people are at the point 224 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:28,400 that they are wanting to make it to a world, be it am World 225 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:34,360 Masters, Worlds, Junior Worlds. You're, you know, if you're a 226 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,840 PDGA member and you're playing in sanctioned tournaments, 227 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,600 that's your goal or it should, in my opinion, it should be your 228 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:43,880 goal. Try to get your points. 229 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:49,160 So in that situation we look at it from we want to offer as many 230 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:55,440 opportunities at a reasonable price for people to be able to 231 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:01,040 get those points. So because we like next year 232 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,200 2027, we have world, we have masters worlds coming to Tulsa 233 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,680 and I'm of the age that I can play. 234 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:16,880 So my goal for this next year is to rack up my points so that I 235 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:23,680 can play in worlds in 27. So yeah, it's going to be in my 236 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,000 backyard. You wouldn't want to play now 237 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,080 you. Got me thinking maybe I need to 238 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,960 figure out my game and and and play. 239 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:35,920 Yes, because you know the courses and we'll have some new 240 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,640 courses debuting for that. So it's we've got some exciting 241 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,120 stuff coming for that. But from this tournament 242 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,720 standpoint, you don't want to over saturate your market with 243 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:53,680 too many expensive tournaments because then your people just 244 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,560 don't have the money to play in your smaller tournaments. 245 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,600 So the C tiers are great way to throw a tournament out there 246 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,240 where people need points, they can grab points. 247 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:13,120 You don't want to over saturate your market though because if 248 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,280 there's too many tournaments then you don't get the turn out 249 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,040 that you need to make it to where at least you break even. 250 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,320 So what are some of the events that you run that you think are 251 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,320 successful and what are some things that maybe most players 252 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,720 don't ever notice that takes a lot of effort in making sure 253 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,080 those events run first. First, tell me what type of 254 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,280 events you run. So we run a mixture of sanction 255 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,400 tournaments and unsanctioned stuff. 256 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:45,440 My, my favorites are the, we do the one at the Driller Stadium 257 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,560 where we put in the baskets in the stadium. 258 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,600 We've had, in fact, DD has come out and filmed that the first 259 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,400 year we did it. And then we've started a new one 260 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,680 where we go out to, there's a place in Muskogee called the 261 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,120 Castle of Muskogee and it's got a whole Renaissance village. 262 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,640 And then they use it for Renaissance. 263 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,280 They use it for a haunted. They have a big haunted 264 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,520 Halloween thing that they do out there. 265 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,240 So they've got trails makes for great disc golf. 266 00:17:13,319 --> 00:17:20,920 So we got to put in two courses out there this year and we're 267 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,599 going to do it again in the spring. 268 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:28,000 And that's the type of stuff that I enjoy more than anything 269 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,000 is getting to create a course and have everybody come play it. 270 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:42,320 And so I do my sanction like we just held AB tier in Stroud and 271 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,280 had a great turn out, had a fun time. 272 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,560 The hardest thing I've found is finding unique player packs. 273 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,880 That's where to answer your second part of that question. 274 00:17:53,880 --> 00:18:01,760 That's where people look for stuff that's different. 275 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,040 I actually had people sign up because we did a stool and a 276 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:11,680 metal mini and they were like, that's a cool player, Pat, we're 277 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,760 going to sign up. So that's where I struggle. 278 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,920 I always try to find make it so that I want the players to feel 279 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,200 like they've gotten their money's worth for their entry 280 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:27,200 fee and so that they want to come back and play my 281 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,800 tournaments. So that's the resources that you 282 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,720 use to kind of find unique items. 283 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,240 Usually I'll call up the different distributors and see 284 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,280 what they have that is unique right now. 285 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,720 This time we use Dirty Birdie and they were the ones, you 286 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,760 know, when I talked to him, I say, all right, what what can we 287 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:49,720 do? They were like we have. 288 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,760 Stools. And I was like done. 289 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:59,640 So it's, it just depends on what you guys have to offer as to 290 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,800 what attracts, you know, you just kind of have to look at 291 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,000 what people like. And stools are something that if 292 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,520 I don't give them all away, if they don't, I'll go, I'll have 293 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,160 them for inventory. I can sell them. 294 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,880 So it's not, I'm in a little different situation than some 295 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:22,800 tournament directors are because I do have the store, I can use 296 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:28,400 it for payout. And that's a big plus to people 297 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,760 playing in my tournaments. And that's why they like playing 298 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:36,080 in them is because I'll take some discs with me so that they 299 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,800 have payout. But I give them the option to 300 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,440 bank it and come to the store and use it. 301 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:47,000 And I get usually my anybody local will do that. 302 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,320 If they're from out of town, they'll go ahead and take their 303 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,600 payout there at the store, but the rest of the time they're 304 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,000 coming to the store. So there's. 305 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,440 Advantages. Yeah. 306 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,400 What's what's something you would tell a store owner or 307 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,960 maybe someone that's connected to a store that's hasn't run 308 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,040 events yet, What's something you would tell them to remember or 309 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,360 keep in mind if they decide to start running events? 310 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,280 Your biggest piece? Piece of advice? 311 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:22,600 Perception, how people perceive you if they perceive you as a 312 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:32,640 like, if you're wishy washy, if you're not, if you don't know 313 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:39,920 the PVGA rules, you, you as a store owner, I get put, I'm 314 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:46,000 expected to know every single rule and I get asked it all the 315 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,320 time. And so as a tournament director, 316 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:55,000 I have to make sure that I know the rules, that I portray the 317 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:00,440 store correctly, that I'm not out there running around 318 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,560 partying. You know, you have to extend 319 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,600 your store to the tournament. So however you act in the store, 320 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,080 you need to act that way as a tournament director. 321 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,200 That's the best advice I can give you because. 322 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,800 I've seen Facebook posts where the tournament director is out 323 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,320 playing or out drinking or out whatever. 324 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,320 Yeah, and that's that's not, not a good look when you're trying 325 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,680 to run an event. No, because everything you do, I 326 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,840 have to be very careful about what I say on social media. 327 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,160 I have to be very careful about what I say in the store. 328 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:42,360 I have to be very, very politically aware what's going 329 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:49,000 on so that I don't say the wrong thing because it could hurt me 330 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,680 and my business, so it could hurt me personally. 331 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,480 So as a tournament director, you have to remember that and you 332 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,960 have to, you have to treat the tournament like it's your 333 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,080 business. And if you do that, usually 334 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,880 you've got all your dot i's dotted, your T's crossed so that 335 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,960 everything goes smoothly and you don't have issues. 336 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:19,120 If you treat it more like it's a big party, then you're in 337 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:22,200 trouble. Yeah, let's kind of switch gears 338 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,600 a little bit. I've, I've, I've been hearing a 339 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,400 different talks about, you know, we're still kind of leveling out 340 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,800 after the pandemic, after the craziness of the pandemic, You 341 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,160 know, the dynamic disks where I work, we're not, we're not 342 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,440 immune to all the stuff happening with, with finances 343 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,520 and things like that as far as it's slowing down. 344 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,600 But like, as a store owner, what, what are you feeling as 345 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,960 far as the height of the pandemic coming down? 346 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,520 And, and is, do you still feel like this? 347 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,000 You, you mentioned earlier about you still get new people. 348 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,960 So it seems like disc golf is still a sport that's growing. 349 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,880 It's just not quite as crazy as it was the hyper growth that it 350 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:02,720 was. What what? 351 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,200 What are your thoughts on that? It definitely is leveling out. 352 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,520 We're noticing that our sales have definitely declined. 353 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:15,000 The pandemic was that the first year of the pandemic was just 354 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,280 crazy was seen as everybody realized that we could play disc 355 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,080 golf. It went nuts. 356 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,760 And then it has we have noticed that it is leveled out over 357 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,040 especially the probably the last two years more so. 358 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:42,560 And it's not, it's not the fact that people are not playing, 359 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:48,400 it's we're noticing that when people come in instead of going 360 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,640 straight, we're, we're starting to notice the financial side of 361 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,120 it. The impact people are instead of 362 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:58,160 going straight to the new disks are now walking in and going 363 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:03,240 straight to the used disks because they can get, they can 364 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:08,600 get more for their money. So that's where we're noticing 365 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:15,760 the big shift right now due to the economic. 366 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,160 Financial uncertainty, uncertainty. 367 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,480 Going on yeah, certainties that are going around right now. 368 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:26,400 So that's definitely where we have seen the biggest 369 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:31,000 difference. It's not really like we've 370 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,400 levelled out like I said over the last two years we've 371 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,480 levelled out. We have about the same amount of 372 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,960 customers every day. You know, we're we're 373 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,720 maintaining nicely. It's not we're not millionaires, 374 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,880 you know, but it's it's it's going OK. 375 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:54,360 Like I said, we're we're noticing it now is the higher 376 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:57,440 priced is definitely are very hard to sell. 377 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:06,640 So it's we're just kind of playing it by ear right now. 378 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,240 But on leveling it out, it has leveled out, that is for sure. 379 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,840 As far as across brands and stuff like that, do you does it 380 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,960 over the years? How do you, I guess how do you 381 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,560 navigate when a branch like way on top it kind of goes down and 382 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,000 then another brand comes up and then goes down. 383 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,400 That's got to be like crazy because you want to make sure 384 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,440 you have the right inventory for when people come in based on 385 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,640 what's popular for that, you know, for the season or forever, 386 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,880 how long. So what's kind of is there? 387 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,200 Is there any sort of strategy for that or you just kind of 388 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,440 learning as you go? We have started that. 389 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,160 We have back stock upon back stock upon back stock of discs 390 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,960 that we have bought thinking, oh, this disc will be fantastic, 391 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,480 people are going to buy it. It's a guessing game from the 392 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:06,800 standpoint of the store owners. Some discs you, you hit it right 393 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,160 on the head, you order the right amount, everything goes great. 394 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:17,520 Other disks you sit on and sit on and sit on and pray at some 395 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,760 point that somebody's going to want that disk. 396 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:25,640 We so it's a struggle. We've, we have to figure out 397 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,680 like every time we get a new order for you to like, we get 398 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,920 Maverick sends out the weekly update and we go and look at it 399 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,920 on Fridays and we're like, OK, here's what's coming up. 400 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,880 What of this do we want to buy? What if this, do we already have 401 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:47,680 20 judges, classic blend judges in stock right now? 402 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,560 Do we really need just because it's got a different state? 403 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,520 You know, we, you have to look at all the different things. 404 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,200 If it's a different plastic, of course we're going to buy it 405 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,720 because it's something that people like. 406 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,800 The 0E peak has become my favorite putter. 407 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,960 I absolutely love that thing and I got it in a trilogy challenge. 408 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:14,160 So it's things. It's it's tough. 409 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,760 It really is. You have to kind of know what 410 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,720 like right now, this craft is of course the hot commodity. 411 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,880 So you have to look at what they're putting out. 412 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,720 Like the Luna Battle packs coming up. 413 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,240 We had to guess. We had to take a big guess how 414 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,520 many to order. We may get stuck with 20 of them 415 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:41,960 leftover. We don't know. 416 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:49,600 So it's there isn't, there's not any one disc that people are 417 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,520 going. You got to get it. 418 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,960 It's across multiple distributors. 419 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,560 I think that's so interesting and, and, and the fact that 420 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,320 there are so many different manufacturers out there, you 421 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,480 know, you got the little guys that think they have the the 422 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,400 next best thing and they may be hot for a while and then they 423 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,400 kind of, you know, kind of go away. 424 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,440 So I can't imagine as a store owner trying to figure out 425 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,680 because you want to make sure you have enough because you want 426 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,840 to sell, but then you don't want to, you want to make sure you 427 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,400 don't have too much because it's like you said, it's, it's just 428 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,600 sitting there and then that's just money sitting there, not 429 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,280 allowing you to make more money. So I'm sure that can be, yeah, 430 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,680 I'm sure that can be frustrating. 431 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,720 What it what with that in mind, what's, what's something that 432 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,280 you noticed that when people come shopping, what's like a a 433 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,160 misconception they have or something You're like, man, I 434 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,800 wish they knew better as far as coming in and shopping. 435 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,360 Oh what the difference is between stable over stable and 436 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,800 under stable? I think it's like a regional 437 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,360 thing, I feel like. So you tell me what? 438 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,320 How do you tell? How do you explain the stability 439 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,800 of a disk to people? So First off, we we will go 440 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,920 through the numbers with them, but we've got to get people off 441 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,600 of the fact that stable does not mean over stable, right? 442 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,680 So what we, because we have, yeah, well, people come in, I 443 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,880 want a stable disk and you're like, fantastic. 444 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,720 Do you want it to go straight or do you want it to go to the 445 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,440 left? And they'll be like, oh, I want 446 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,600 it to go to the left. You want it overstable. 447 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,360 This the other thing we use that works very well, but it I mean, 448 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,440 we say it, you'll probably hear us two or three times throughout 449 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,920 the day, especially with new people. 450 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,720 Show them how to add the last two numbers together to turn in 451 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,480 the fade. If it's a negative number, it is 452 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,280 going to be a if you can get it to the right speed, it is going 453 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,320 to do its flight numbers, it's going to go to the right. 454 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,040 If the numbers equal out to 0, it's going to end up very 455 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,160 straight in front of you. If they end up positive, it's 456 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,720 going to go to the left. You know, of course. 457 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:03,680 And then we explained that the higher the number, the more it's 458 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,920 going to go. So like my escape does a 459 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:13,400 beautiful little S and ends up pretty much it's all ends up 460 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,040 being it's a .5 and so it just ends up slightly to the left. 461 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,680 So we found that that using that analogy has helped a lot to get 462 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,480 people to understand the difference between under stable, 463 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,880 stable and over stable. I've made that mistake myself. 464 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,320 Big, I mean, because I'll throw something and I'll be like, man, 465 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,120 that thing is stable. What I really mean is it's over 466 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,200 stable. But it's been ingrained in my 467 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,360 head that stable means that it's turning hard, you know. 468 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,320 So anyway, I probably should start realizing that as I do my 469 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,040 video so that people understand that I mean more over stable. 470 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,680 I guess in my mind, sometimes when I say band that is over 471 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,720 stable, I don't want people to think that I'm thinking the 472 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,400 extreme. So when I think over stable, I 473 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,080 think the extreme of it fading hard, whereas stables more like 474 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,480 what is this kind of going to do its natural fate over to the 475 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,400 left. So, but but yeah, I can see 476 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,480 that. I can see that being a an issue 477 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,640 when. There needs to be one more word, 478 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,680 one more terminology in between over stable and stable for the. 479 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,080 I know exactly what you're trying to get to. 480 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,880 Yeah. Because there is. 481 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,800 There's a difference between. I get it. 482 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,480 I do, yeah. OK, so I, I, I want to switch 483 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,720 gears again because one of the reasons I reached out to you is 484 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,920 because you had, I posted something on AI, can't remember 485 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,560 what Facebook group it was, but asking people about veterans for 486 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,440 vets because it was the time of season to run that and you had 487 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,800 run one before. So what drew you initially to 488 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,520 wanting to run a veteran for vet event? 489 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,440 We actually have a veterans group, A veterans disc golf 490 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:57,160 group in Tulsa and they have been working on raising money. 491 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,160 And so they reached out to me and asked me if I would run 1. 492 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,400 And I was have utter love and respect for our military and was 493 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,920 glad to. So we chose a company called The 494 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:16,160 Coffee Bunker, which helps with legal woes for people, for 495 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:21,240 veterans. And so we very much, they're 496 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,240 literally a coffee house and they're fabulous. 497 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,680 So we chose them as our beneficiary, beneficiary. 498 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:37,120 We've actually done it two years and raised between the two years 499 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,800 $4000 for them. That's awesome. 500 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:47,040 So having the raffle item with the veterans having the basket 501 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,920 was fantastic because that people will shell out 100 bucks 502 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,680 easy to buy raffle tickets because of the cost. 503 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,720 Yeah, that's awesome. Is there any particular moment 504 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,600 from a past veterans for vet that stuck out to you? 505 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,480 We actually had a whole group come over and play from Little 506 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:16,200 Rock at the last one we did and they they run one in their city 507 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,120 and they wanted to come and support us when we ran ours. 508 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:26,000 And they were a great bunch of guys and our group welcomed them 509 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:32,400 in and everybody had a blast. But that's the that's the I 510 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,240 remember us all standing in the room doing the raffle and they 511 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,600 were hooping and hollering and just having a ball. 512 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:45,240 And so shout out to them. They were definitely a memorable 513 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,600 put a smile on my face every time I think of it. 514 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,320 The other thing is having a friend of mine go Did you know 515 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,760 that this disc I got from your Veterans Investor Vets 516 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,240 tournament is the best disc I've ever had? 517 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,600 That's cool. And she doesn't stop throwing 518 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,800 it, she still throws it to this day. 519 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,120 So it's things like that that make them memorable and make 520 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,840 them fun and knowing that you are helping a charity that is 521 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,400 for a good 'cause that's doing work. 522 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,920 Yeah, it's, it's fun for people to be able to play an event, you 523 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,800 know, get out and compete because they love competing. 524 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,360 But then there's also that underlying like this is actually 525 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,120 going for a good cause. And so no matter how you play 526 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,040 your best, your best round or your worst round, your you can 527 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,840 at least walk away and say at least I helped make a little bit 528 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,440 of a difference in some veterans lives. 529 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,480 So I think that's great. It's fantastic and we're so 530 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,440 thrilled that you guys offer it for us to be able to use. 531 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,840 Yeah, I'm excited about what this one y'all have to figure 532 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,880 I'll have to watch for your dates so I can come. 533 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,120 Maybe I, if you'll let me, I can maybe use it as kind of A to 534 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,040 create a video about veterans for vets. 535 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,440 Yeah, to post on there. I think that'd be kind of fun. 536 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,040 I would love to. I'll get with you after this and 537 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,360 we'll figure out, I'll go look through the calendar and we can 538 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,040 figure, figure out what a good date would be. 539 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:04,680 Yeah. So looking forward to 2026 540 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,560 again, because at the end of the year, and this is how people 541 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,880 start thinking like, what's something you'd like to try in 542 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,080 2026 that maybe you haven't done yet when it comes to your store? 543 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,360 Question because I hadn't thought of that. 544 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,920 No, Yeah, yeah. Any opportunities you see maybe 545 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,920 in in in Tulsa that you haven't tried or? 546 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,400 No, not really. Unfortunately, that's kind of 547 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,280 boring on this point just because we're still hesitant on 548 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,480 what's happening with the economy and everything. 549 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:44,520 We're we're being very careful about our decisions of what 550 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:50,080 we're buying and kind of expenditures going forward. 551 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,880 We're just trying, you know, We're just playing it safe right 552 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,480 now, to be totally honest. Well, do that in that vein 553 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,880 because right now, well, we talked about it in the last 554 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,400 episode where I think it was like 60 something out of the 91 555 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,880 pros have their contracts ending in 2025, which means there could 556 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,000 there could be a lot of changes as far as people moving. 557 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,600 And I know from my experience that that really people, you 558 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,880 know, the die hard fans, they really pay attention to that 559 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:21,960 stuff. Yes, they do. 560 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,560 Yeah. So how does those how do those 561 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,200 big shake UPS affect a store? Maybe they don't at all. 562 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:41,160 They do kind of. Unless you are a Ricky Wysocki, 563 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:47,640 unless you are a Page Pierce a the big names. 564 00:36:50,880 --> 00:37:01,200 Most of the smaller names pros don't sell discs so people don't 565 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,200 switch companies when they switch. 566 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,800 Now when your big name switch then yes you have a big upset 567 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:19,120 and if some like when disk craft got so many people that's why 568 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:27,480 they became the top right now. So unless you're a super big 569 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,400 name, you don't sell discs. We don't have people coming in 570 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:41,920 asking for lower name people. And it's it sucks, but it's just 571 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,320 part of right now how disc golf is going. 572 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,920 Now they don't get me wrong, if they're at a tournament and the 573 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:54,080 people are there selling their discs, they will go and buy them 574 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:59,120 from them because they want to support them on tour. 575 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:05,720 But we don't have people come in going, can I get a disc from 576 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,080 Nate Doss? We'll just use just trying to 577 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,200 throw names out there. You know, we only have them come 578 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,080 in looking for big names. So that makes it a little bit 579 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,960 tougher on our side. It's interesting that is that 580 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,760 that's because a lot of people always say they want that. 581 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,680 They're like it. We we want you to make, you 582 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,240 know, discs in these people's names. 583 00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:30,960 But it sounds like it's it's proven to really not move the 584 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,840 needle as much as some people think it does. 585 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,840 It doesn't, it really doesn't. I mean, even the from the disc 586 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,760 craft standpoint, the commutative discs that they're 587 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:46,600 putting out for when someone wins, those don't sell. 588 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,560 People will buy them when they just want a disc because they 589 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,760 look cool. But like we'll order some and 590 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,360 they'll say that we have a table that we put new releases on and 591 00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,760 they'll sit on there for a while. 592 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:07,560 It's that is not the for for the majority of disc golfers, that 593 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:12,400 is not something that people ask for. 594 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:19,360 But I'm going to caveat that I would say probably 60% of disc 595 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,440 golfers don't even care about DGPT. 596 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:28,160 They're just out to play the sport recreationally and have 597 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,680 fun. They don't care about 598 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,480 tournaments. They don't care about many 599 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,120 tournaments. They don't. 600 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:42,000 They just want to play disc golf and from a store. 601 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,080 That's like when I look at the majority of the people that walk 602 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,720 in my door, I'll go one out of five place tournaments. 603 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,320 So if they don't play tournaments, they usually don't 604 00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:00,360 pay as much attention to the DGPT side of it, the competitive 605 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,720 side of it, till I guess is the better way to say it. 606 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,960 So when they look at a disc that has somebody's name on it, 607 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,680 they're like, who's this person? Yeah, OK. 608 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:15,640 Yeah. They're like kind of like, oh, 609 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,640 OK, that's nice. Yes, that's and they look at it. 610 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,520 I have more people come in and go. 611 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:29,400 This stamp has a bear in it. I love there and that's why they 612 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,960 buy the disc. And it's just, you know, when 613 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:39,120 you look at the numbers of how many people play disc golf 614 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,360 versus how many people play competitively, the number is so 615 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,240 small in the big picture of the people that are playing. 616 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:55,560 So it makes it tougher to get them to know who these people 617 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,200 are. Does that make sense? 618 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,440 No, absolutely. And I'm glad I'm glad that you 619 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,240 brought that up only in the sense that I think it was Seth 620 00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:08,960 that was on a podcast. Seth who's over House of this, 621 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,960 that he said something very similar to what you're saying as 622 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,000 far as like that. You know, the the big, the big 623 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,680 die hard fan fans are important. It's not that the you guys 624 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,120 aren't important, but you you don't make the bulk of the disc 625 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,720 golf shopper or the disc golf demographic the more casual guy. 626 00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:29,400 And I remember a buddy of mine, I played with him quite a few 627 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,680 years ago. Well, yeah, a few years ago. 628 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,080 And I had switched over when I was doing stuff for class discs. 629 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,560 And we started talking about disc golf. 630 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,800 And he'd like I, he ordered his bag off Amazon. 631 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,280 He ordered his dirt bag off Amazon. 632 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,040 And I'm like, don't you, don't you shop locally? 633 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,200 But yeah, I go to, I go to basket case every now and then. 634 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,680 But and then I would start talking about certain players, 635 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,320 you know, like who you know, And he had a full bag of discs, 636 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,720 right? You know, he had all kinds of 637 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:55,440 discs and he had bought stuff from you guys. 638 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,600 He had bought stuff from Amazon and he was just, that's just, he 639 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,400 loves his weekend disc golf. He'll play a tournament every 640 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,440 now and then. But to him, it's just a 641 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,840 Saturday, Sunday thing to get out and have some time being 642 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,600 outside. But other than that, he could 643 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,040 care less of who who won what or who played what big event. 644 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:14,080 Yeah. So that's interesting. 645 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,040 So. So. 646 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,000 OK, 110. Yeah, go ahead. 647 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,000 He's one that we converted. He was a casual player. 648 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,240 He still won't play tournaments, but now we've got him quite 649 00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:32,120 addicted to every weekend he watches a disc golf and but he's 650 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:37,400 still he's not one that will go buy a disc because of somebody's 651 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,240 name on it. He's that's just not his now he 652 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:45,000 loves his disc, don't get me wrong, but he just bites him 653 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,680 because he likes the disc. It doesn't matter who's on it. 654 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,320 OK, one final question. If you had a magic wand, it can 655 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,880 change one thing about disc golf going into the next year. 656 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:14,890 What would it be and why? I would love to have some sort 657 00:43:14,890 --> 00:43:23,370 of tool that was a little easier or all right, I got. 658 00:43:24,090 --> 00:43:28,970 So my issue has been trying to promote anything that we do. 659 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:34,800 We have Facebook and we have Instagram. 660 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:44,040 And if people are not on those two platforms, it's very hard to 661 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,440 reach them because we don't want to e-mail everybody and you 662 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,720 know, because I hate getting the emails. 663 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,680 So if I had a magic wand, there would be some magic app out 664 00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:01,840 there that was literally Facebook for disc golf where 665 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:07,560 everybody could be on it. No politics, no you, you could 666 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,600 promote all your stuff, all you wanted and everybody could see 667 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:11,920 it. You didn't have people, you 668 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,440 know, because there's some people that don't like Facebook, 669 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,280 there's some people who don't like TikTok, there's some people 670 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,920 that don't like Snapchat, there's some people that don't 671 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,600 like Instagram. You know, just one little app 672 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,760 where all it is is disc golf. If I could read you the magic on 673 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,520 2026 that would be it. That would be it, huh? 674 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,880 Well, unfortunately, Amy, that's why I have a job because there's 675 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,400 so many different platforms that you need people that that's all 676 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,040 they're doing is pushing stuff out on the different platforms. 677 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:41,000 There used to, there used to be. What was the big one that I know 678 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,760 disc golf's seen, but of course it's it's kind of turned to me. 679 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,640 It's just turned into a place to look for events. 680 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,600 It's not really a community to talk. 681 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,080 But remember there was, there was one that was popular for a 682 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,360 while and then it kind of went away. 683 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,960 I did. It. 684 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,000 No, it was something else I had. It was very Myspace looking. 685 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,760 Gosh, I don't remember. And I know some people are 686 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,240 listening, probably going to yelling at the radios or the TV 687 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:08,640 telling me what it is, but I can't remember. 688 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,760 Anyway, I remember it was a, it was dedicated to disc golf and 689 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,720 you could go and you could, it was back when like forums and 690 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,240 those were real popular and it had a, it had forums. 691 00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:22,320 We can go on and talk about stuff and so rid of that. 692 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:23,920 Yeah. But it's, it's gone. 693 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,880 It's gone away now. Or maybe it's still out there, 694 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,880 just not. I don't know that it's very 695 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,960 active. Yeah, that would be my the, the 696 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,880 biggest struggle has just been figuring out how to promote 697 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:42,520 stuff so that get as many people as possible to know about it. 698 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,520 And that's where I'm finding that for 2026. 699 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,080 I'd love to wave a Magic wand and find a solution to that. 700 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,840 That's because I've had people come up and go. 701 00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:58,640 I just found out that you had a tournament last weekend and I'm 702 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:04,120 like, we've been doing everything we possibly can. 703 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,120 We put an event on you disc. We put an event, you know, we 704 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,880 put it on disc golf scene. We put it on Facebook, we put it 705 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,360 on it's, you know, we put it everywhere we possibly can. 706 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:19,080 And if people, you know, you put it on your web page, you put it 707 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,680 everywhere you can and you still struggle. 708 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,600 So I'd say that's probably the magic wand moment. 709 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:27,120 Got you. OK. 710 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,960 Well, thank you for that. And thank you so much for, again 711 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,680 for being on the show, talking about your store and some of 712 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,560 your thoughts and of course, about veterans for vets. 713 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,840 And so, yeah, I appreciate it. I appreciate that very much, 714 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,080 Amy. Glad to.