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Hey everyone, welcome to this 
episode of the Disc Golf Answer 

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Man. 
I'm Bobby Cool Daddy Slick 

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breeze. 
This is special The game episode

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where I have an interview with 
Scott Stokely. 

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I've had Scott Stokely on two 
other times, back in the early 

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days of Disc Golf Answer Man and
back when I was doing my own 

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thing of Cool Daddy Disc Golf 
Podcast. 

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Always a great conversation with
Scott. 

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So this one is also another 
great conversation. 

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He we go back to his early days 
of when he started playing disc 

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golf at Oak Grove, playing with 
some of the legends, some of the

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influences they've had on his 
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And then talks about some of the
struggles he's had, very 

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transparent about some of the 
challenges he had with people he

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hung out with and substance 
abuse. 

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And then of course, him help 
reaching out for help and how he

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overcame some of those 
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So a really great conversation 
with Scott Stokely. 

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Let's take a listen. 
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Cool. 
So where where are you at right 

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now? 
Oh God, the mobile you're. 

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Yeah, so I, I have no idea. 
So I've done more podcasts from 

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the vehicle. 
It's just because I'm on the 

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road every day, so there's no 
way around it. 

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I am in. 
We're leaving Minneapolis, I'm 

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heading to. 
I'm running this seminar in with

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Madison, WI on Wednesday. 
A seminar? 

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What kind of seminars are you 
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So I do this, I've been doing 
this for a few years now. 

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I do full day, like they're 
called Stokely Method seminars. 

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Full day Stokely Method 
seminars. 

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I capped them at, well, it was 6
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I'm actually going to cut it 
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five people. 
It's all day. 

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It's an intensive training 
session, backhand, sidearm 

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putting, mental game, utility 
shots, just every single part of

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the game. 
And it's just where I I take my 

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lifetime of teaching disc golf 
and I make people throw better. 

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I. 
Like it? 

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I like it. 
Yeah, well, I'm sure. 

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I'm sure. 
Oh, go ahead. 

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I was gonna say I have my 
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the year. 
I have a few more in Wisconsin, 

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but then before the end of the 
year I have a seminar scheduled 

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in Colorado, Utah, Oklahoma, 
Texas, Arizona, California, 

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maybe a couple other places, but
it's Scott Stokely. 

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Scott stokely.net is where you 
find the information. 

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They all still up so if 
someone's interested they should

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sign up because they all stay 
every time they sell out 

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basically. 
Well, just in case, and I'm sure

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I'll most of my listeners, if 
not all of them have heard of 

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Scott Stokely, but just in case,
let's kind of go back to the 

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beginning and hopefully I got my
facts straight straight. 

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Let's see if I got my facts 
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But it was back in Oak Grove 
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while most kids were trying to 
learn how to ride bikes and play

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little leagues. 
You were out throwing with some 

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of the disc golf legends that 
maybe people have heard of, Dan 

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Roddick and the Liesman 
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So, looking back, what do you 
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days at Oak Grove and how it 
shaped who you are in the sport 

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now? 
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So when I first played my first 
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the world's first permanent 
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world's first permanent Frisbee 
golf course, when it was the 

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only course in the entire world.
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basically Ground Zero for the 
game, at least as far as the 

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course permanent courses go. 
My dad had just passed away and 

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not long after my mom of course 
would take me in all the local 

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things in the area. 
And every park had something 

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about that park. 
You know, the biggest merry go 

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round, the tallest swing, you 
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park the thing you go to. 
And this one park called Oak 

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Grove had a Frisbee golf course 
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It was just one of the park 
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I mean, there were no other 
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So it was just a thing that that
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So when you went to Oak Grove, 
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And I would play, but I wasn't 
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Then when I was 11, my mom's 
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So she moved from a kind of a 
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this kind of rich neighborhood 
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The park bordered La Canada. 
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town, but it was close. 
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kid neighborhood, especially 
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It was like a John Hughes movie.
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you know, fancy designer 
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But when I went down to the 
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collar, it was hippies. 
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grew up with, and I also didn't 
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And what I've realized since 
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towards basically all the grown 
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Club as father figures as well 
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They were my friends. 
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friends at school. 
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They were my people. 
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in my early years, I, I got from
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The way I've described it is, 
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imperfect group of people, 
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If you played Frisbee golf, most
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people were kind of on the 
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It was not mainstream by any 
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man I've known my entire life. 
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valuable things from all of 
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I probably learned a few 
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them. 
Who I, you know, I, I still love

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these people, but I, I basically
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the world I found in somebody 
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from them. 
So yeah, it it didn't just help 

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for me, it completely farmed me.
Nice. 

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And, and I know you've written a
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I have to, I apologize. 
I haven't read the whole book, 

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but I know you haven't. 
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talk about it. 
And in the book, I, I, I've 

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heard that you really don't 
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You don't sugarcoat your past. 
You talk about it and before you

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became a champion, you're living
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mentioned, maybe a wildlife 
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And you've been honest about 
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that honesty I think resonates 
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I've had several conversations 
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love your approach to to disc 
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people and helping people. 
Is there a turning point of 

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something that happened that 
made you go from these wild days

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to now? 
I want to, I want to reach out 

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and I just want to help people 
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Yeah, So it's funny because when
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called Grown Up Disc Golf, you 
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It's been doing really well for 
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I so much of these things I, I 
really loved about myself when I

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wrote the book because I had to 
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write about and actually ask, 
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was I thinking that? 
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And when I wrote the book, I 
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I was either going to be honest 
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write the book. 
But it's not going to be some 

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list of like, all these are 
these cool things I did and look

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how smart I was this week and 
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Like, that's a shit book. 
I don't know if I can swear, but

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that is a definite 
autobiography. 

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Well, it's definitely not a good
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I showed, I showed up and I 
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Yeah. 
I wasn't going to do that. 

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I got it. 
You know, as a teenager, I got 

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into trouble. 
I partied a lot. 

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I was, I had legal trouble, you 
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This is all like a lot of this 
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You know, the first time I ever 
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and I was, I have, I had a 
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I wasn't old enough to drive. 
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the cops and got pulled over. 
And to me, that was just like a 

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wolf. 
It kind of still is like a rite 

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of passage, you know, getting 
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angst. 
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and and, you know, when they 
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going, you know, yeah, they 
tends to go back pretty quickly.

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But that was what I was doing. 
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drugs. 
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world. 
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more than anything else was that
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but not, not not all of them. 
It was I started not just Oak 

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Grove Gophers. 
I want to expand. 

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That was, it was the whole 
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community that I started 
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kind of got a pass for as a 
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When I started getting older, 
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always kind and always friendly,
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didn't want me around. 
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with them. 
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respect I actually wanted. 
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want to kind of be part of their
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And I was fitting in with my, my
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And when you sell drugs, you 
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using the drugs you sell, right?
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community, but that's not who I 
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You mentioned Dan Roddick and 
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it was, you know, Mark and Susie
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it was Cliff Town and it was Dan
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Pearson and it was even some 
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people from End of a Champion 
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Solinsky, Harold Duvall were all
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I wanted their respect and I 
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They were not part of that my 
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And so I and by the way, I was 
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wow, these people seem pretty 
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They go out and play disc golf 
and like if they have a bad 

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round, doesn't seem to screw 
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They're they're they seem to 
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And so I kind of just gravitated
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I mean it really was an 
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forgotten all the goodness and 
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They were part of these other 
groups because they were not bad

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people, they were just had the 
same flaws I did. 

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So I didn't abandoned those, 
those people by any stretch. 

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I just was trying to impress the
other ones. 

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I feel like with some of the 
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Scott, I totally appreciate your
honesty and your transparency 

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and that's something I've always
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So I appreciate that talking 
about that stuff. 

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But it seems like some of the 
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teaching, doing seminars, even 
some of the players that you 

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sponsor it, it feels like like 
you've, I don't want to know, 

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Maybe you don't have narrow it 
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like you're wanting to now put 
positive out in the world rather

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than the stuff you were doing in
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Well, OK, so here's the thing. 
I, when I was doing the things 

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with the drugs and everything, I
wasn't out there like, like I 

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was a punk kid with an attitude,
but I, I was never like, like, 

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like trying to harm people or 
anything like that. 

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I mean, there's people, there's 
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that are good people that are 
struggling with something. 

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There's plenty of people who do 
drugs who are terrible people. 

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You know, regardless of if they 
were sober, they'd be terrible 

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people, right? 
So that they can be an 

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independent, you know, 
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So I, I certainly, I never had 
like bad intentions in my heart,

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but I just was making bad 
decisions. 

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So when I, I'm going to Fast 
forward them really quickly. 

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So then I, I stopped using 
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Then I went to college and then 
I went on tour and we spent the 

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90s on tour and my daughter was 
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kind of stopped playing sound 
want to be home to raise her. 

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So now we Fast forward it up to 
like 2013 and I, I wasn't a 

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partier at all all this whole 
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And but in around 2012, 2013, I 
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and very quickly escalated 
rapidly into foreclosure, 

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divorce, the unable to sustain 
myself financially, which is a 

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very fringe way of living. 
I mean, when someone's like says

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they're living on the street, it
doesn't necessarily mean they're

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on sidewalks, but it could mean 
that they're scraping together 

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money for a hotel room with a 
couple people they don't know 

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very well a given night. 
And then you're shaking up with 

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this person that you probably 
wouldn't be shaking up with for,

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to get have a roof like it. 
It's a very ugly existence right

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on the fringe. 
And I, I was at that point, 

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that's what I was doing. 
And it's probably going to on my

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tombstone. 
This is probably going to be my 

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favorite story in all of disc 
golf was I reached out to Dave 

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McCormick at Gateway Discs. 
Dave had been a friend of mine 

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back in the 90s. 
And well, first I reached out to

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disc craft and asked him for 
help. 

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And Jim Kenner and Mike actually
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me out here, but I was still 
using the drug. 

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So I wasn't able to succeed with
the help they offered and kind 

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of burned ridges. 
They've been mended since. 

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But I, I screwed that up. 
But I reached out to Dave 

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McCormick and Dave's like, well,
I can help you out. 

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I need to get in my discs into 
stores. 

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I'll send you a bunch of discs 
and you can get them into stores

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and keep the difference to March
and, you know, be a sales Rep. 

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He didn't know I was doing the 
drugs. 

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He had no idea that that was 
probably a bad move, not in 

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hindsight, but at the moment. 
So I, I, I walk into fly grain 

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disc golf store in Denver, Co 
and the, the way to, to paint 

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the picture of or paint the 
scene is that I'm on the 

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doorstep of fly Green and I for 
all intents and purposes, and 

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the biggest loser on earth. 
I hated myself. 

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I hated my life. 
I felt like the biggest loser. 

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I didn't feel like anybody 
would, would love me. 

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All the cliche stuff. 
It's pretty, you know, it's 

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cliche because it's accurate. 
And that's where I was when I 

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was walking into the store. 
And I'm gonna have to now I'm 

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gonna have to tell these people,
remind them, oh, I used to be 

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really good at disc golf back 20
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So therefore, you know, you 
should trust me and carry these 

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discs and blah, blah, blah. 
So I walk in the door and I look

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up on the wall and there's the 
freaking poster of me 

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autographed poster be up on the 
wall of the store. 

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And the guy behind the counter 
just looks up. 

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He goes, Scott Stokely's here 
and he runs to the back and I 

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hear him in the back yelling, 
you guys, Scott Stokely's out 

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front. 
No, I'm not joking. 

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He's he's in the store right now
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the store. 
It's a true story that 

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recognized me. 
And and one of them was like 

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they said something like, Oh my 
God, I'm your biggest fan. 

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And I'm like, what the hell is 
going? 

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Don't you? 
I'm you guys, don't you realize 

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what a loser I am? 
What are you? 

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What are you doing praising me? 
This is insane. 

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Wow. 
And the guys come out from the 

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back and they say, I know I'm 
signing autographs and I'm 

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telling stories. 
This one guy in the stores 

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telling stories about me. 
Oh, yeah. 

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Whole 3 grateful disc 
championships. 

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There's this building over here.
And Mike Randolph had him by a 

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stroke. 
And I'm like, I'm like, this is 

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like Twilight Zone. 
Like I didn't think anybody 

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would Remember Me, let alone I'm
being praised. 

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And I absolutely at that moment 
didn't feel like a loser. 

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I felt like, I felt like Scott 
Stokely, right? 

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I'm now I'm like, Oh my God, I'm
like this, you know, at least in

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our little world, I'm just 
important person, you know, 

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again, I, I remember thinking I 
got to get off the draw. 

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I'm going to get off the drugs 
and quit the drugs and I'm going

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to make my, I'm going to change 
my life and get back into disc 

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golf and, you know, keep this 
feeling going. 

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And then I walked out the door 
and like 5 minutes later I'm 

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like, I really need to get high.
And I went and bought drugs with

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the money from the disc I sold 
because you know, it's not a 

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movie doesn't, doesn't work like
that. 

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But I had that thing in my head 
of like, oh, I know how this 

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feels, how I want to feel. 
And I didn't realize I could 

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feel it without the drugs again.
And then I was like, well, my 

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solution here is I need to, I 
need to get back into disc golf.

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I hadn't really played for 13 
years. 

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I'm like, I got to get back into
this community where there's 

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things that make me feel about 
myself that I wasn't feeling. 

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It's, you know, kind of, it's a 
long story. 

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You know, everyone's got their 
own version of their, their, 

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their path. 
But basically I got off the 

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drugs and then I was like, oh, 
all I want to do is get high, 

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but I'm not using drugs. 
Fly Green gave me a job. 

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I'm working at Fly Green. 
I'm actually, I got an 

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apartment. 
I'm, I'm now I'm paying my bills

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and I'm miserable because you 
know, the reason I did, whatever

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reason I was doing the drugs 
doesn't just go away. 

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So I was doing better, but I was
like, every day I'm like, I'm 

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going to get high tomorrow. 
Like I know I'm, I know I'm 

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going to, because I, I know it's
not a really, you know, I'm 

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minimum wage. 
I'm living in someone's 

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basement. 
It's an apartment, but it's not 

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a life I wanted. 
And I was like, what am I going 

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to do? 
I'm like, I got to go out on 

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tour. 
This is it. 

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I got to go out on tour. 
So, but I didn't have a driver's

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license at this point. 
You tend to lose those when you 

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do drugs. 
I didn't have a driver's 

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license. 
I didn't have a vehicle and I 

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had no money. 
So I call it Barry Schultz in 

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North Carolina. 
I hadn't talked to him in like 

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15 years. 
I'm like, hey, Barry, Scott 

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Stokely, It's like, well, what's
going on? 

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And I just sat on the phone and 
I told him everything I'd been 

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doing, all the stuff that had 
been going bad, just completely 

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honest with him. 
And I said, I need to go out on 

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tour. 
I go, I need your help. 

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And he says, oh, I live on a 
disc golf course and I got a 

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spare room. 
Just get here. 

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And I was like, I'm like, well, 
First off, he has his roommate, 

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Brian Mccree. 
I didn't even ask him about 

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coming out. 
I said I just, I don't know what

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to do. 
Barry. 

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I've been away from the sport. 
I don't know how it works 

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anymore. 
And Barry, I hear him like turn 

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away from the phone. 
He goes, hey, Brian. 

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He goes, Stokely's coming to 
live with us. 

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I never asked him. 
He didn't ask me. 

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He just told Stokely's coming to
live with us. 

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And Brian's like, oh, sweet. 
Scott Stoker, That's awesome. 

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And so he gets back. 
He goes, yeah, I just get North 

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Carolina, got a place. 
And I said, Barry, I go, I 

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don't, I don't have any money. 
He goes, I didn't ask you for 

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money. 
Just get here and I said how 

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long can I stay? 
I said how long can I stay and 

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his exact words were as long as 
you need to and that's how it 

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started of that. 
I hope this isn't too long of a 

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story. 
So the story was so now I'm out 

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all right now I'm going to go 
out on tour again and it's like 

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I would go to a tournament and I
would get praise. 

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Wow, you throw really far. 
Oh, I knew you back in the day. 

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I heard blah, blah, blah, beer 
sidearms really good. 

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That felt good, but it was still
incomplete like I still like it 

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was kind of not superficial, but
I'm like you're praising me for 

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throwing frisbee as well. 
That feels good, but that's not 

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the same. 
That isn't the feeling I 

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actually needed. 
And I ended up dating a woman to

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son had autism and I started 
running events for kids and 

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adults with special needs. 
Went to 270 cities and taught a 

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free disc golf class for kids 
with special needs while I was 

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touring around playing these 
events. 

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And that was it. 
That was what did it. 

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Where I went, people were like, 
they weren't saying, oh, I love 

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how good you are at Frisbee. 
They're like, I love what a good

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man you are. 
I love what a good person you 

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are. 
I hire you. 

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And, and oh man, that was, that 
was, that was the drug that I 

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was looking for. 
So the last years, whether I'm 

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sponsoring special needs players
or I'm, I'm donating. 

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I mean, the last four years I've
donated all my prize money at 

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tournaments to special needs or 
developing organizations or 

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developing kind of like 
everything I do now is I'm just 

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seeking a different drug, which 
is I want to like help the world

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and I want to make people 
better. 

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And like I'm happy now. 
I want to share how to become 

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happy. 
And I'm financially successful 

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now and I'm doing really well 
and I so now I want to share 

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with other people how to be 
financially successful. 

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None of these are paid gigs. 
This is I'm just seeking that 

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drug of I want people to look at
me in a way where I feel good 

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about myself because that's my, 
that's my drug. 

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If that makes sense. 
If that makes sense. 

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No, yeah, no, that makes a lot 
of sense. 

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That's a really great. 
Thing to. 

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That's 100,000 page books summed
up in like 8 minutes, so I hope.

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Definitely tell people to go go 
get the book so they could 

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actually get it, you know, take 
a deeper 5 and learn more about 

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it 'cause I think. 
Book ends in 2000. 

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The book ends when I quit this 
Oh, my daughter was born, but 

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the book ended with my daughter 
being born and I'm like, what 

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the hell am I gonna do now? 
I play frisbee golf for a 

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living. 
Oh, you need. 

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Sounds like we need a second 
book the the next chapter or the

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saga. 
No, I'm writing three books and 

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and. 
OK, Yeah. 

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So My Empire Strikes Back is in 
the works. 

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Nice. 
I love. 

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I love that analogy. 
That's Oh, no. 

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Well, you'll appreciate the 
analogy because. 

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This is the heavy dark, Moody 
one. 

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This is this is that. 
Oh, OK. 

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And then after that, the the 
third book is all going to be 

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about I've now I've gone to 40 
countries in the last three 

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years. 
I've I'm going to. 

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My. 41st country next week. 
So so last book's going to be 

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all fun and rosy with the Ewoks.
I love it and I love the way 

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your brain thinks of you're, 
you're thinking 2345 steps 

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ahead, which is which is a 
fantastic way to look at it. 

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So, so let's talk a little bit 
about kind of the journey. 

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You know, disc golf has grown 
up, you've grown up with disc 

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golf. 
You've been through a lot of lot

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of different challenges and 
overcome those challenges. 

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So tell me a little bit about 
you know, you're coming back, 

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but now you're you're playing 
disc golf now and then you 

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played back when you were. 
You played the Open at 50 years 

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old and not, not a lot of 
players can say that they've 

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spanned large generations of 
disc golf, right? 

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What's the biggest change you've
seen in disc golf? 

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And is there anything that you 
miss about the quote UN quote 

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old days of disc golf? 
Yeah, that's a fantastic 

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question. 
So the biggest change has just 

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been the cultural acceptance, 
like the fact that the whole 

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world's upside down now as far 
as disc golf goes. 

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Like we're like this real sport.
I mean, we might not be the 

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biggest sport, but we're not 
this fringe thing. 

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You know, there's respectable 
ball golfers who think disc 

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golf's a cool alternative to 
ball golf. 

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You know, there's parents aren't
ashamed of their kids when they 

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want to play. 
They actually try to figure out 

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how to help their kids go on 
tour. 

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Cities are cities approach 
companies and say we want a disc

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golf course in our park. 
Can you send someone and you 

444
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,680
know, where do we buy the 
baskets they used to show up 

445
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,800
with with torches and pitchforks
if you tried to put a course in 

446
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,400
back in the 80s? 
Nobody today has any 

447
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,000
understanding of how much work 
the early pioneers of our sport 

448
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,240
did to get the disc in the 
ground. 

449
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,720
I mean, they literally fought 
City Hall nearly every time they

450
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,640
put a course in. 
It could be a five year, it 

451
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,880
could be five years of working 
with the neighborhood just to 

452
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,560
get them to approve a tentative 
plant. 

453
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,760
Yeah, So that's the biggest 
difference now. 

454
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,000
And now we're just this real 
sport. 

455
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,000
If you start today, you, you 
just think of disc golf as just 

456
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,120
one of those alternative sports 
that, you know, 8 million people

457
00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:48,400
play. 
It wasn't like that. 

458
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,640
As far as what I miss about the 
old days, I I'm not ever going 

459
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,400
to be the grumpy old man who 
says back in my day things were 

460
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,360
better. 
If I was to list 20 different 

461
00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:04,120
things about disc golf, 19 of 
them are better now than they've

462
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,400
ever been. 
You know what, from the cultural

463
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,080
acceptance to the explosion of 
the women's field to how many 

464
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,600
juniors play and you know, the 
pro tour and technology and the 

465
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,440
Cal cool the courses are. 
And you know, 19 of the 20 are 

466
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:21,320
better than they've ever been. 
The one thing that can't be the 

467
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,640
same just because we're bigger 
is that the the the family 

468
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:31,240
aspect of the sport, it just 
can't ever replicate the way it 

469
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,840
used to be just because we're 
right now Now, OK, disc golf is 

470
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,040
like a family. 
Yes, you can go to any course in

471
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,080
the world, post to Facebook. 
Hey, I'm in town. 

472
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,360
I need a place to crash. 
Some disc golfer will be like, I

473
00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:44,160
got a couch. 
You know, like there's still 

474
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,160
this thing that we have that's 
incredibly unique and special, 

475
00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:50,480
but it's not the same as when 
there were, you know, nine of 

476
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,320
us. 
Right. 

477
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,840
Right, so the way the way I 
described it, it was because we 

478
00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,200
were it was such a group made-up
of like outcasts and misfits. 

479
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,520
You know, most players, you 
know, I'm there's there was we 

480
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,800
had a doctor here, you know, 
scientist over there, but we 

481
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,440
know mostly we were misfits and 
there was this it was this US 

482
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,800
against them mentality. 
I mean like nobody, I mean, and 

483
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,880
I mean nobody understood what we
did except for us. 

484
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,760
I mean, you had. 
You had guys who would. 

485
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,080
And this was not. 
This is a common story. 

486
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,200
In the old days, they couldn't 
tell their boss that they were 

487
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,520
going to a disc golf tournament 
to get time off. 

488
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,520
They had to lie because their 
boss would have no under score. 

489
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,400
But first they have to explain 
what disc golf is. 

490
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,600
And then it would sound stupid 
to them. 

491
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,920
And they'd be like, yeah, you're
not taking time off for this, 

492
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,400
this thing. 
It's like people hid it from 

493
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,400
their wives. 
And so, you know, our, our, you 

494
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,880
know, we were the outcast group.
And because the outcast group, 

495
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,520
we bonded over this in a way 
that just can never be the same.

496
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,960
We call it the Frisbee family. 
We still call it that today. 

497
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,880
Like there's just nothing like 
it. 

498
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,000
We just, I went to the Virginia 
State championships. 

499
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,240
So I think the 48th Daniel, I 
was and it's mostly old school 

500
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,680
players. 
The majority of people that 

501
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,560
tournament have been playing 
longer than me. 

502
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,360
And I hugged 100 people and so 
did everybody else. 

503
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:10,080
It was, it was absolutely a 
family. 

504
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,840
We're never going to get that 
back, you know, for better or 

505
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,240
worse. 
That's that's the thing that's 

506
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,960
different. 
And me personally, I would give 

507
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,200
up the other 19 things I'd do 
for that. 

508
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,760
But yeah, I love where the sport
is. 

509
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,400
I think it's great. 
It's growing. 

510
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,000
I love the pro tour. 
I'll say something that that 

511
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,720
people don't or they ask me all 
the time and and they don't 

512
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,120
understand how. 
I don't think they understand 

513
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:42,720
how strange this is, but on the 
pro Tour, basically nearly every

514
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,840
single person on the pro tour 
are like really good people. 

515
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,200
And they actually genuinely 
really like one of them. 

516
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,560
Like they're competing. 
They're competing. 

517
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,640
You know, where if I beat you, 
I'm taking food off your plate 

518
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,600
and the money is at a level 
where if I beat you, you might 

519
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,200
not come out next season. 
Like there's there's a line 

520
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,040
where people aren't able to 
afford to keep doing it. 

521
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,680
There's every reason in the 
world for it, for people to butt

522
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,840
heads and have animosity, and 
there's almost none of it. 

523
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,960
Like, no, they're competing. 
I mean, there's not a single 

524
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,080
player on tour that takes it 
easy on the person. 

525
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,440
No, you're trying to, you're 
trying to smash the person on 

526
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,760
the course. 
There's no lack of 

527
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,760
competitiveness, but there's 
also love at the same time, 

528
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,400
where it's like when you beat 
somebody, you're happy you won 

529
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,440
and you feel what they're going 
through at the same time. 

530
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,600
I don't think that exists. 
I don't think anybody in the NBA

531
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,640
has ever been like the Chicago 
Bulls were ever like, oh, I feel

532
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,520
so sad for those Detroit 
Pistons. 

533
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:40,720
Oh man, I bet they're really, I 
bet they're they're I bet 

534
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,800
they're sad right now. 
There's there's an empathy. 

535
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:49,640
So it's a wild, it's wild, man. 
It's it shouldn't be like this. 

536
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,120
So that's the carryover of the 
Frisbee family that we still 

537
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:53,800
got. 
I don't think there's a sport in

538
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,840
the world that has the quality 
of people playing it that we do,

539
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:57,920
yeah. 
Yeah, I love that. 

540
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,120
I've been watching, you know, 
since coming back to Dynamic 

541
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:04,480
disc, watching a lot of YouTube 
disc golf videos or guys are 

542
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,480
just out there practicing and 
then showing, you know, what 

543
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,640
they do off the course. 
And I that's something I notice 

544
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,440
is that these kids are having a 
great time together, laughing, 

545
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,800
being goofy, and they're all 
from different manufacturers 

546
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,720
because they don't care. 
They just, they're friends. 

547
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,040
They're they're out there having
a good time, doing the same 

548
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,320
thing, have the same goals, 
cheering each other on and just 

549
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,960
having a great time. 
So yeah, I think that. 

550
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,880
It is, yeah. 
I couldn't speak any higher. 

551
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,200
I'm so proud of them. 
I mean, they're, they, what 

552
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,920
they're doing is they're 
carrying on the Frisbee 

553
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,800
tradition, the Frisbee legacy 
and, and I'm proud of all of 

554
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,280
them. 
I think they're and they're my 

555
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,760
friend. 
I love all of them. 

556
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,440
Yeah. 
Yeah, let's change the 

557
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,920
directions a little bit. 
You held both the backhand and 

558
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,680
sidearm world distance record. 
So you've had some big 

559
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,400
accomplishments when it comes to
the the two distance. 

560
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,360
And I know on the disc golf 
answer, man, that's one of the 

561
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:53,480
biggest questions we used to 
always get it was how do I throw

562
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,560
farther? 
So in your eyes, what do most 

563
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,760
people get wrong when it comes 
to throwing far? 

564
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,120
So throwing far is just. 
It's technique and it's practice

565
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,360
with with an overtone of like, 
you know, your physical, you 

566
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:11,400
know, abilities, you know, 
taller physics is on your side. 

567
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,040
I suppose that there's this fast
twitch versus slow twitch muscle

568
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,840
thing that probably, you know, 
it probably is friend, if that's

569
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,240
valid. 
I, I've never looked into it 

570
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,480
enough to know if that's just a 
trendy, you know, observation of

571
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,520
athletes. 
But if it's true, there's 

572
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,360
probably so there's some, 
there's some genetics involved, 

573
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:31,240
but but that's the overarching 
like kind of ceiling. 

574
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,000
It's technique and it's, it's 
mechanics. 

575
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,440
If you don't throw with proper 
mechanics, you don't throw far. 

576
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,880
So here's how I'll describe it. 
It, it's real simple. 

577
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,080
A 7 year old cowgirl can, can 
break the speed of sound with a 

578
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,440
piece of leather. 
If she has the proper technique,

579
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,120
she can crack a bullwhip. 
A 25 year old male bodybuilder 

580
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:56,280
can't break the speed of sound 
if he doesn't crack the whip 

581
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,640
properly. 
Now it there's obviously way 

582
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,040
more to it than that, but that's
just it's a pretty accurate 

583
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,000
analogy. 
Proper technique, physics 

584
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,960
becomes on your side, but the 
whip in the right position, move

585
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,240
the whip the right direction, 
physics takes over the whip, 

586
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,840
accelerates, snap, there you go.
You just broke the speed of 

587
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,520
sound. 
Improper technique. 

588
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,360
You just have a piece of leather
flying through the air, not 

589
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:18,360
doing that. 
And as far as like when people 

590
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:21,400
say, well, what is the one 
thing, I'm not dismissing the 

591
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,480
answer. 
It's not one thing. 

592
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,400
There are a number of things and
everyone of them, if you don't 

593
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,800
do those, will remove a 
measurable amount of your 

594
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,880
distance. 
So no, it's not an exact 

595
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,000
formula. 
But let's say that you, let's 

596
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,120
say they be based on your height
and your physical attributes and

597
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:38,080
your age and how long you've 
been playing. 

598
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,800
Let's say that had you been 
throwing perfectly the whole 

599
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,400
time, you're, you potentially 
had a, you could have been a 500

600
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,000
foot thrower had everything done
been perfect. 

601
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,320
By the way, I look at it as 
well, if you don't do this thing

602
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,240
over here, if you don't plant 
your foot before you start 

603
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,160
pulling the disk, if you start 
pulling before you plant, you're

604
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,880
losing, you know, that's 45 feet
of distance you're losing over 

605
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,800
here. 
And then if you're keeping your 

606
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,120
head forward, which prevents you
from rotating the sores and 

607
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,560
reaching back, that's another 52
feet over here. 

608
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,680
And now you're putting the nose 
up on the disk. 

609
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,400
That's another 27 feet. 
And so next thing you know, 

610
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,680
you're, you're, you're now 
throwing 330 feet. 

611
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,760
Well, if you fix the nose up on 
the disc, well, that's going to 

612
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,840
get you back that 30 feet. 
Wonderful that you were losing, 

613
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,240
but you're still losing the 
distance from these other 

614
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,840
things. 
Every single piece of the puzzle

615
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,400
adds or subtracts A measurable 
amount of distance. 

616
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,440
When you get everything 
perfectly, then you're kind of 

617
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,200
at your ceiling as far as what 
your physical body can do. 

618
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,000
And that's where there are 
differences in bodies. 

619
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,320
This is what it really comes 
down to with with Dick on the 

620
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,120
Pro Tour. 
Like everybody on the pro tour 

621
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,200
rips the desk. 
I'm going to talk about the guys

622
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,080
just because I'm more familiar 
with the guy Division. 

623
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,760
I mean, mechanics, there's, 
there's not a whole lot of flaws

624
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,360
on the pro tour mechanically. 
So when somebody throws 500 feet

625
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,080
and someone else can throw 650, 
that's the last part where it's 

626
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,840
like, well, yeah, but they're 6 
foot 2 and you're 5 foot 10. 

627
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,480
And and yeah, they happen to 
have those fast twitch muscles 

628
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,040
and you don't, but everybody is.
The mechanics are so good. 

629
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,480
They're kind of throwing at 
their ceiling. 

630
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,640
Like nobody on the pro tour that
can only throw 500 feet today 

631
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,320
will be throwing 650 in three 
years because their technique 

632
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,000
improves. 
You're not on the pro tours. 

633
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,320
Your technique isn't really damn
close to. 

634
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,040
I mean I think the word perfect,
but perfect ish. 

635
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,480
Yeah, I got you. 
So what's what's what's, I guess

636
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,200
one thing that for the 
listeners, if that's, that's 

637
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,400
something to want to aspire to 
is getting on the pro tour. 

638
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,120
It sounds like getting out there
and just practicing and getting 

639
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,600
down the techniques and not 
realize it, like you said. 

640
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,800
And something I know we've 
talked about before on the show 

641
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,840
is that it's not just one or two
things. 

642
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,760
It's a it's a multitude of 
things working all together in a

643
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,120
positive way to absolutely get 
that distance. 

644
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,560
But I guess to somewhat, what 
would you say to someone that 

645
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,120
thinks that they've reached 
their ceiling? 

646
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,600
Is it? 
Is that something that prevent 

647
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,440
them from being a pro if they 
can't quite get that big 

648
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,760
distance? 
So no. 

649
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,640
So it's not about having a big 
distance as a pro throwing 

650
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,320
farther. 
So okay, there's a term that use

651
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,840
called tour distance and tour 
distance means can you throw a 

652
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,520
450 foot heiser, which is 
basically a controllable shot. 

653
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,200
Can I throw 450 feet and landed 
safe? 

654
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,160
If you have to throw an Anheuser
flex shot to get 450 feet, you 

655
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,400
don't have the controlled play 
door because. 

656
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,360
When you lose accuracy, when you
do a flight shot, when you do a 

657
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,600
Heiser or heiser flip, you're 
more accurate. 

658
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,440
You got to be able to get to 
that 450 range and every player 

659
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,120
on on tour does. 
That's the the weakest players 

660
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,480
on the tour can still pop a 450 
foot Heiser. 

661
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,080
Anything above that is bonus, 
but the the frequency by which 

662
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,160
these the situations where you 
will use that come up gets 

663
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,760
smaller and smaller the the 
farther you throw the 

664
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,440
opportunity to throw that that 
far. 

665
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,480
Like real, we'll use him as the 
obvious example throws a mile. 

666
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,080
But how often during a run out 
is that an advantage? 

667
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,880
Like, well, every every time 
there's a basket shorter than 

668
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,560
than shorter than everybody can 
reach, then there's almost no 

669
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,840
advantage because they can all 
reach it when you have longer 

670
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,520
holes. 
But you have OB in play, which 

671
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,360
means, you know, AB is not 
throwing full power anyways. 

672
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,320
Like so that all that power is 
not really going to showcase 

673
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,440
itself. 
So how many holes does he 

674
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,760
actually get to use that power? 
Well, there's a couple like wide

675
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,480
open holes and there's maybe a 
couple shots turning around 

676
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,760
where he gets to throw the big 
heiser window, which is a bigger

677
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,520
gap than the smaller window the 
weaker players have to throw. 

678
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,040
OK. 
So yeah, so he's his distance 

679
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,200
gives him a couple strokes 
around. 

680
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,960
But so does, you know, Andrew 
Marwee circle one putty, and so 

681
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,920
does Rs B's. 
You know, the circle two shots 

682
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,880
he throws in seems seemingly 
every couple, you know, couple 

683
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,320
times around. 
So it's it's every part of the 

684
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,760
game gives you it's a skill set 
that that you know, gives you 

685
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,760
the edge over the other players 
so that you can use. 

686
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,240
But distance is just one of 
those skill sets. 

687
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,320
You still got to do all the 
other parts of the game. 

688
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,160
Gotcha. 
Yeah, you got to have a complete

689
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,440
game for sure. 
Okay, so tell us. 

690
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,160
Okay, so as I did my research, 
obviously I found that you had 

691
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,080
your Stokely disks, so you're 
coming out with some disks. 

692
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,440
So tell us a little bit about 
that. 

693
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,920
What's this new adventure all 
about? 

694
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,200
Yeah, so. 
So I manufactured my own disks. 

695
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:13,080
Now it's called disks. 
It's not the typical pro line 

696
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,600
because they're not third party 
manufacturer. 

697
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,560
They're not just two or disc, 
you know, like they're actually 

698
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,360
like I manufacturer me and my 
partner, we like every single 

699
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,120
disc that every single Stokely 
disc you get is coming off of a 

700
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,920
machine that we owned, being 
from a mold that we own, that we

701
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,520
created, shipped from a 
warehouse that we now I always 

702
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,920
want to be clear with people 
like we have some help within 

703
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,480
the industry in disk design and 
the manufacturing process. 

704
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,320
Like that is an art that takes 
years to get good at. 

705
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,440
Like if you start manufacturing 
on your own machines yourself, 

706
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,400
you're going to go through a 
several year learning curve 

707
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,920
where you're going to burn 
through some bad. 

708
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,240
Yeah. 
Getting so we, we didn't do 

709
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,680
that. 
We jumped ahead and we got some 

710
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,480
experts to help with those 
areas. 

711
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,880
But we we own the company, we 
own the machines, it's our 

712
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,240
facility. 
I mean everything's on. 

713
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,720
We have 5 discount for Stokely 
discs. 

714
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,600
The most recent one is the 
Peregrine, which is the, it's my

715
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,639
first high speed driver. 
I'm super excited. 

716
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,480
If we were to comparables, call 
it Halo Destroyer because 

717
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,800
everything is comparable to 
something else, but it's an 

718
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,520
overstable high speed driver, 
doesn't share one bit how windy 

719
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:20,600
it is. 
It holds its lock. 

720
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,480
It's really good and you know. 
I've got, I believe three more 

721
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,600
molds coming out this year. 
We'll have 8 by the end of the 

722
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,000
year for Stokely discs. 
We also bought for the some of 

723
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,159
the people have been around a 
minute. 

724
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,600
We bought Qing disc. 
Qing is a company that been 

725
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,199
around for years. 
They they shut down in 2014. 

726
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:43,120
And the important part of this 
story is they didn't shut down 

727
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,960
because they weren't doing well.
I mean, if people didn't like 

728
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,480
the discs, we weren't going to 
buy the company loved the disc, 

729
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,000
but the person that owned the 
company had personal reasons for

730
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,280
shutting it down. 
He shut down a successful 

731
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,679
company. 
At the time, all 8 discs were 

732
00:34:56,679 --> 00:35:00,760
being manufactured in China. 
And the very first thing we did 

733
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,400
when we bought the company is we
bought, we brought the mulch 

734
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,160
back from China. 
So they're actually all in 

735
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,680
American they're being 
manufactured on car machines as 

736
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,600
well. 
So we juju which was the most 

737
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,000
possibilities out. 
I'll be just been for stores 

738
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,960
releasing the the the precision,
but all eight of the Ching bolts

739
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,360
will also be released as well. 
But we're just pacing them, you 

740
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,160
know, probably 2A year to, you 
know, build hype around each 

741
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,000
model. 
So yeah, we're we're actually 

742
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,160
like this like we're like this 
real production facility. 

743
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,560
We're not just making one or two
disks hoping to get it off the 

744
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,560
ground. 
We're actually full speed ahead 

745
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,240
to, to, to become a major 
manufacturer. 

746
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,800
And and we're, we're, we're 
going to be, it's exciting. 

747
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,720
Yeah, it's me. 
That's awesome, I love it. 

748
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,000
So tell us if someone wanting to
try out your disks, whether it's

749
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,120
just Stokely disks or the Ching,
what? 

750
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,440
Why? 
Why would you tell someone as 

751
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,560
far as what your mission is, 
what your values are? 

752
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,720
Why? 
Why do they want to try your 

753
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:58,600
discs? 
Okay, so there's that. 

754
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,040
That's a fantastic question. 
And that's the, you know, that's

755
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,120
the key to any type of marketing
like are are we, do we fly 

756
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,560
farther? 
Are we, do we feel better? 

757
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,760
Are we less expensive? 
You know, like whatever the 

758
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,280
selling pitch is? 
There's a couple things. 

759
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,160
The first is, is the reason why 
I started this company because 

760
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,560
I, I make plenty of money 
teaching disc golf. 

761
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,960
I could have a hell of a life 
just traveling around the world 

762
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,160
the rest of my life teaching 
disc golf and I'd be quite 

763
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,000
comfortable and it would be 
really, really easy relative to 

764
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,960
like, you know, the grinding out
the, you know, the 50 hour a 

765
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,360
week job. 
I mean, I could go to, I could 

766
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,920
run one or two 7 hours a week 
the rest of my life and, and be 

767
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,400
comfortable. 
The reason why I started the 

768
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,520
company, my motivation was I 
have three things that I want to

769
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,680
do desperately with my life. 
And these things cost a lot of 

770
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,400
money. 
I want to promote adaptive disc 

771
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,200
golf, special needs disc golf. 
I want to promote disc golf for 

772
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,840
people that the traditional game
of disc golf doesn't fit for 

773
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,440
just because of physical or 
developmental disabilities. 

774
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,120
I want to open up the game to 
that. 

775
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,720
I am very passionate about 
bringing disc golf or and 

776
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:07,160
participating, I should say, 
helping to bring disc golf to 

777
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,640
countries where they don't have 
disc golf. 

778
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,160
And this is primarily developing
countries. 

779
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,000
We've been spending time in 
Indonesia, Cambodia. 

780
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,040
We just got back from Vietnam. 
We'll be going to going to South

781
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,280
America this winter. 
I want to bring disc golf to 

782
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,400
people that the game doesn't 
reach now just for logistic 

783
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,640
reasons and financial reasons. 
So basically the the theme here 

784
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,760
is that disc golf, disc golf in 
in the US and Europe and in the 

785
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,960
West is doing just fine without 
me. 

786
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,640
If if I disappeared tomorrow, 
disc golf, you know, I hopefully

787
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,440
will mourn for about a minute 
and a half. 

788
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,080
And then if they're going to 
keep doing great, I can't make I

789
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,840
can't affect change in in this 
the way I would like to where 

790
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,320
where I can affect change and 
grow disc golf or are these 

791
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,600
areas that disc golf isn't 
reaching well? 

792
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,440
And that's developed countries. 
People adapted disc golf. 

793
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,600
So that's where my my heart is. 
And the third thing, and this is

794
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,160
very important to me, is that 
there are more disc sports out 

795
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,920
there other than disc golf and 
ultimate. 

796
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,080
It's. 
It's so important. 

797
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,680
To me that these sports don't go
away. 

798
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,760
We're talking about guts and 
double discord and and freestyle

799
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,320
and you know, I just everything 
that isn't disc golf and 

800
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,280
ultimate these sports are 
hanging on by a thread in some 

801
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,880
cases and it just needs an 
infusion of money. 

802
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,120
It needs an infusion of money 
from someone who doesn't get 

803
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,760
about money, if that makes 
sense. 

804
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,200
The the same reason I give all 
my prize money away. 

805
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,720
I've been doing it for like the 
last four years. 

806
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,360
I I name an organization to 
donate my prize money to is the 

807
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,640
same reason I'll be giving away 
the money from this company. 

808
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,600
I'm not going to die with money 
under my mattress. 

809
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,280
I'm going to die, Brooke. 
Everything I make is going to go

810
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,280
to. 
And so these disc sports where 

811
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,400
there's no way to see a profit 
in them probably for many years,

812
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,200
if ever they need someone who 
can throw money at it that 

813
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,640
doesn't care about where it's my
return coming from. 

814
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,720
I had one more part of that the 
tradition of Frisbee on the 

815
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:05,280
bottom of the first Frisbee, it 
said invent games. 

816
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,400
That's the that's the core of 
our of, of flying disc sports. 

817
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,960
And there haven't been a whole 
lot of games invented. 

818
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,680
So I also want to like get 
behind whatever and encourage 

819
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,040
people to invent new disc sports
that I can now get behind. 

820
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,160
All these things take millions 
of dollars and that's that's 

821
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,760
where the money goes. 
And so if I mean like, look, 

822
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,640
we're making great discs, they 
fly great. 

823
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,360
They're good plastic. 
If the discs weren't good, it 

824
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,040
didn't have good plastic, no 
one's going to buy them because 

825
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,400
it feels good, right? 
Like, right, no one's going to, 

826
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,280
no one's going to shoot worse on
the course just because they're 

827
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,320
all supporting this thing. 
They believe that. 

828
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,160
I mean, in nature, these discs 
are unbelievably good. 

829
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,400
They fly great. 
The plastic is super high 

830
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,360
quality. 
So they're great discs when 

831
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,640
other people make great disc 
golf. 

832
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,360
So then the choice is which 
great disc do you choose? 

833
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:59,280
And with my company, when you 
are throwing Stokely discs and 

834
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,480
team discs, you are 
fundamentally promoting disc 

835
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,040
golf in a way that no one else 
is doing it. 

836
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:06,600
And you're you're part of this. 
We can we call it the flock 

837
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,800
where we're we're going to 
formalize the name. 

838
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,480
So all my discs are bird names. 
So we're calling it the flock. 

839
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,640
But when you're part of the 
flock, you are growing the sport

840
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,120
of disc golf to the people. 
Disc golf doesn't reach. 

841
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,080
You want to grow the sport. 
This is one way to. 

842
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,200
Do it. 
Throw a disc. 

843
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,720
It's just as good as any other 
company's discs, but you are 

844
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:23,920
growing the sport when you do 
it. 

845
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,560
Wow, I like that. 
That's that's the biggest thing.

846
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,920
I don't, I mean, I'm telling you
I will die. 

847
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,000
Absolutely. 
I don't think you're better in 

848
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,080
person than my girlfriend. 
Been together 5 1/2 years, not 

849
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,800
traveling with me. 
When I met her, I said I go, I 

850
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,480
go good news and bad news. 
I go good news, I make a lot of 

851
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,880
money. 
Your bad news, I give just about

852
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,640
all of it away. 
Like everything I don't need. 

853
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,560
Well, I, I told her when I met 
her, I said, look, we'll be, 

854
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,920
we'll stay at hotels every night
for the last five years and go, 

855
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:50,960
it's going to be a roof over 
your head. 

856
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,360
There's going to be food on the 
plate. 

857
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,280
You are not going to see a 
savings account because 

858
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,280
everything I've made above what 
it takes for us to get through 

859
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,600
this week is, is out the door 
for some cool thing that I want 

860
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,680
to do. 
And by the way, if you look 

861
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,120
interview, that's just how I buy
my drugs. 

862
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,880
Like that's this is what this is
excited. 

863
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,000
I'm going to go do this cool 
thing over here. 

864
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,000
And then I then and then I get 
the dopamine hit from like, you 

865
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,200
know, whatever, whatever fun 
thing I think, you know, I don't

866
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,880
know, weird when it comes to 
money, man, I don't like having 

867
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,160
money. 
I like making money. 

868
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,920
Another marketing question I 
want to ask you is the 

869
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,280
undercover shopping. 
I've seen videos where you've 

870
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,400
got the clever little mustache 
on, kind of go in the store and 

871
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,560
do some undercover shopping. 
That's not you. 

872
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,640
Is that you? 
And it looks like me, but no, I 

873
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,320
don't have a mic back. 
So what was that? 

874
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,560
How did you come up with that 
idea and what's been the the 

875
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:48,080
outcome of those adventures? 
So as I'm traveling, because 

876
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,040
I'm, I'm in the Stokely Discs, 
you know, you know, Sprinter van

877
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,080
with the Stokely Discs logo on 
it, people think I'd sleep in 

878
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:54,640
it. 
I don't. 

879
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,760
We stay in hotels, merchandise 
and I'm going to pro shop, but 

880
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,280
we're already in about 300 pro 
shops in our first year, which 

881
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,200
is just mind blowing to me. 
That's awesome. 

882
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,480
Every, everyone's down with 
this. 

883
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,840
Everybody's like, this is really
cool. 

884
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,680
Cool. 
You know, we want to be a part 

885
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,520
of this, right? 
So everybody, all the pro shops 

886
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,480
have been great. 
So I've been visiting pro shops,

887
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,800
but as I'm making my way back 
around now, I go to a town where

888
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,960
there might be like, like, let's
say there's a couple pro shops 

889
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,040
in this small town and one of 
them already carries my discs 

890
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,800
and one of them doesn't. 
Well, it would kind of be crappy

891
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,200
of me to like just skipped a 
story that carries my disks to 

892
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,680
go make a sales call. 
What about you guys? 

893
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,360
You know, they were early 
adopters. 

894
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,720
So that then I was thinking, 
well, how I need to do something

895
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,120
to make, you know, I got to 
visit these places too. 

896
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,320
So if I'm in town, I'm like, I 
want to visit, but the I just, I

897
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,120
want to make it fun. 
So one of the big things I added

898
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,960
to the list of like probably one
of the ways I'm going to be 

899
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,360
making less money, but I don't 
care because it's fun. 

900
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:56,320
I am adamant about promoting. 
I call it shop Local 1st. 

901
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,800
I believe that the single most 
important key to the growth of 

902
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,600
disc golf in our sport is all of
the local entrepreneurs that are

903
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,920
boots on the ground doing 
grassroots promoting of disc 

904
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,680
golf in their town. 
Like all the big manufacturers 

905
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,360
out there. 
The BIG4 manufacturers have have

906
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,640
all like they've put millions of
dollars into the sport. 

907
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,040
These I'm friends with all the 
big manufacturers. 

908
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,680
I respect all of them. 
They've done so much to grow the

909
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,160
sport and donated so much money 
and what what they've done has 

910
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,440
been they've done a lot of 
positive, but nobody is doing as

911
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,360
much as as the guy that just 
opens the pro shop because he 

912
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,440
loves dog court woman, right, 
guy or girl, whatever. 

913
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,320
But they open the pro shop and 
now they're running leagues and 

914
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,320
now they're promoting the game 
and putting courses in the 

915
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,720
ground. 
I'm a big fan of, you know, free

916
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:48,800
market capitalism. 
I'm a big, you know, go USA. 

917
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,960
Like I love our system because 
the way that our system works 

918
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,520
and I want to polarize my 
audience by being yay USA. 

919
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,080
But the way our system works is 
that if you own a pro shop, if 

920
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,240
you get another course put in 
the ground, you're going to make

921
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:04,560
more money. 
And that is what that drives 

922
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,560
people more than anything to, to
grow the sport. 

923
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,640
And, and when I run leagues, I 
I'll be able to sell more discs 

924
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,880
that grows the sport. 
I the pro shops to vendors, the 

925
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,440
pop up course runners to 
tournament directors to clubs, 

926
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,160
the private courts owners. 
These are the folks that are 

927
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,160
growing the sport more than me 
or any manufacturers. 

928
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,280
So that was longer than I 
intended, but that's these are 

929
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,000
the people we need these people 
more than anything. 

930
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,560
I am adamant that we need our 
community to support these 

931
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,840
people by buying their discs 
from these stores. 

932
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,880
They need to buy their 
merchandise from these stores. 

933
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,320
When you buy directly from a 
manufacturer, you're not doing 

934
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,240
what's in your best interest 
because you are not keeping the 

935
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:50,840
person in business that you need
to run leagues in your town and 

936
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,520
get new courses. 
So shop local first doesn't mean

937
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:56,560
don't buy from the manufacturers
doesn't mean don't buy online. 

938
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,160
What it means is give your local
retailer first dibs at your 

939
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:05,800
business. 
You know have a a orbit selling 

940
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,880
Ricky Wysocki selling. 
Call. 

941
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,360
Them if they don't have it, get 
it. 

942
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,280
If they don't, if they can't get
it, go online and buy it. 

943
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,880
Go to the manufacturer, like get
the disc you want, but start 

944
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,320
give that, give that person 
first dibs at your business. 

945
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,040
It's in our sports best 
interest. 

946
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,720
So when I'm traveling, I'm going
into these stores and all I'm 

947
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:27,280
doing is I'm shooting content to
promote their store. 

948
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,080
I'm in town. 
Let's put eyes on your shop. 

949
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,000
Let's promote. 
So I said I'm going to lose 

950
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,120
money by doing this. 
I make about 6 times as much 

951
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,720
money when you buy a disc from 
me direct as you do when you buy

952
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:42,040
it from a pro shop that I sold 
the disc to that it is 6 to 1 

953
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,040
difference. 
And I'm still telling people if 

954
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,640
they sell Stokely discs in your 
town, buy it from the local 

955
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,800
store because I need that local 
store to grow the disc golf, to 

956
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,240
grow the sport I love in your 
town. 

957
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,320
Now if that store very Stokely 
discs so they don't have the 

958
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,000
discs you want, go to 
stokelydisc.com and buy it from 

959
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,240
me. 
I still want your business. 

960
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:02,520
I still want your money. 
I still want to sell you golf 

961
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,880
disc, like give that local 
vendor the first dibs. 

962
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,560
So boots on the ground. 
I'm out actively promoting 

963
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,400
stores and doing everything I 
can to help help these folks. 

964
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,160
Now we need these people with 
every time a pro shop goes, at 

965
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,080
best our sport takes a hit. 
Our entire sport. 

966
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,080
Yeah, that's very true. 
OK, I got one last question for 

967
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,720
you, but before I ask, I'm going
to put a little seat in your 

968
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,200
head. 
I'm going to try something 

969
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,680
different with these interviews.
I want you to be able to ask me 

970
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,520
questions at the end. 
So anything you've wondered 

971
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,120
about or or just curious about, 
you can ask me. 

972
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,320
But before we get to that, I 
want to ask you one last 

973
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,480
question. 
So you've mentioned a lot of the

974
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,960
challenges that you've gone 
through, some of your past that 

975
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,400
your that and how disc golf has 
been a very positive force in 

976
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,040
your life to help you to be 
where you're at right now. 

977
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,880
What would you tell that one 
listener right now that is in 

978
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,440
that similar situation? 
They've got a lot lot going on, 

979
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,080
a lot of challenges in life, but
disc golf seems to be that 

980
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,440
saving grace. 
But they're still kind of trying

981
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,520
to struggle. 
What's a piece of advice you 

982
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,320
would give that person? 
Yeah, so that the first piece of

983
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,720
advice would be, don't expect 
one piece of advice to be the 

984
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:14,080
fix. 
There's the thing you have to 

985
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,080
do, and people are notorious, 
and I've done it. 

986
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,560
You've probably done it. 
People don't do what's in their 

987
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,080
own best interests. 
People make decisions every day 

988
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,480
that is contradicts what would 
be in their own best interest. 

989
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,360
You need to make decisions that 
are in your best interest. 

990
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,320
And the biggest thing you can do
above all else is seek out the 

991
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,640
people that have what you want 
and figure out how to. 

992
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,320
And usually the way you figure 
out how to get what they have is

993
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,680
by asking them and learning from
there. 

994
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,680
So. 
So when I wrote my biography, 

995
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,640
you know your biography. 
It's the story. 

996
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,360
Of my life, I get to put 11 
sentence as the introduction on 

997
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,600
the Page 1 you know one quote 
you know they're supposed to sum

998
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,960
up what I believe in in 55 years
of life. 

999
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,960
And what I wrote was go where 
the love is not where it's 

1000
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,760
supposed to be most important 
thing. 

1001
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:11,680
And the reason why I wrote this 
was because when I was a little 

1002
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,520
kid, I came from a crappy 
family. 

1003
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,720
I had a great mom and then a 
bunch of not great people in my 

1004
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:24,960
in my world. 
I sought out family where the 

1005
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,920
love was and I went where the 
love was not where it was 

1006
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,440
supposed to be. 
It's supposed to be from your 

1007
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,880
family. 
Well, turned out it was a bunch 

1008
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,440
of hippie disc golfers at a 
park. 

1009
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:34,560
Doesn't matter. 
The love was there. 

1010
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,160
So I went and got it from where 
it was. 

1011
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,840
But when I say seek out the 
people that have what you want. 

1012
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,160
If you see someone that's happy,
talk to them about being happy. 

1013
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,520
If you see some. 
If you're if you have substance 

1014
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,040
abuse problems, talk to someone 
that has stopped using drugs. 

1015
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,320
If your business is failing, 
talk to someone who's successful

1016
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:51,640
at business. 
Go talk. 

1017
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,920
Go figure out from the people 
who have what, what, what you 

1018
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,360
want. 
Go how many people actually 

1019
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,160
like, oh, I've had three failed 
marriages and I'm crappy 

1020
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,760
relationships. 
And if you ask them, well, how 

1021
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,840
many people with good 
relationships have you grabbed 

1022
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,600
and said, please tell me what 
you do? 

1023
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,480
Nobody does this. 
Go see, I want my marriage to be

1024
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,640
better. 
OK, well, do you know anybody 

1025
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,360
with a good marriage? 
Go talk to them. 

1026
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,840
And and that's not one piece of 
advice, but that's an 

1027
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,720
overarching strategy. 
So I have a page called, well, 

1028
00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:23,680
two things. 
I have a Facebook page called 

1029
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,560
Stokely's Longest Drive. 
It's my non disc golf stuff 

1030
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,200
where I talked about all sorts 
of things related to career 

1031
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,200
happiness and all that. 
And then I have a Discord server

1032
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,720
called What's Scott 
stokely.net/discord? 

1033
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,760
Twice a week I go do a live a 
live open discussion on mental 

1034
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,480
health, physical health, you 
know, same thing. 

1035
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,400
I'm in really good physical 
shape, right. 

1036
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,440
Well, then you didn't. 
You probably ought to listen to 

1037
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,880
me if you want to get into shape
because I have something that I 

1038
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,040
can teach you that make me an 
expert. 

1039
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,280
But if I'm in better shape than 
you, then I know something that 

1040
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,880
you don't. 
All of my channels, my longest 

1041
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:03,840
drive page mainly, and my 
Discord server yet are all about

1042
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,400
me trying to share these things 
that I've learned in life that 

1043
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,200
you can learn from me because 
you didn't want to learn from 30

1044
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,080
year old me. 30 year old me 
didn't know what the hell he was

1045
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,040
doing. 
But 55 year old me is really 

1046
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,320
good at life. 
But there's other 55 year old 

1047
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,320
me's out there in your town and 
your disc Golf Club that are 

1048
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,280
good at life. 
You got to seek these folks out.

1049
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,040
One final thing, not to just, 
you know, go on a rant, but if 

1050
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,960
somebody has something you want,
which means they're good at 

1051
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,480
relationships, career, 
happiness, sobriety, life, 

1052
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,120
health, if they're good at those
things, I will almost guarantee 

1053
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,200
you that that they are also then
the same type of person who 

1054
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,960
would like nothing more than to 
help someone who asks them. 

1055
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,040
Like nobody with a good marriage
isn't going to be like happy to 

1056
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,520
talk to you about how to make a 
marriage good because the 

1057
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,400
qualities that make a good 
marriage are probably the 

1058
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,680
qualities that make you want to 
help someone who's looking for 

1059
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,920
help. 
Seek those people out. 

1060
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,240
That's what I did when I was 19 
years old. 

1061
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,080
What does Dan Roddick do to be 
happy? 

1062
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,800
Why is TD why? 
How come TD Ugaldi just had a 

1063
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,440
bad tournament? 
Why I went to TD Ugaldi said, 

1064
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,880
why aren't you mad right now? 
I went to and I just kind of 

1065
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,560
observed. 
I didn't talk to him. 

1066
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,320
Why? 
I'm very close with Dan Roddick,

1067
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:16,120
but I also observed how he led. 
He's the, he's the greatest 

1068
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,400
promoter in the history of disc 
sports and I and, and you know, 

1069
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,240
he probably is our sports 
greatest leader. 

1070
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,000
And although let me rephrase 
that, he is our sport's greatest

1071
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,040
leader. 
And I just did, I got close to 

1072
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,360
him. 
I was, I became a DDC partner 

1073
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,600
for eight years and I just 
watched. 

1074
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,960
How does he lead? 
Why do people follow him? 

1075
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,120
Because someday I'm going to 
lead and people are going to 

1076
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,720
follow me. 
I don't have nothing offered 

1077
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:40,480
today, but but someday I'm going
to. 

1078
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,720
And but where do I learn that? 
Learned it from him. 

1079
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,400
Yeah, yeah, always be learning. 
I love that. 

1080
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,360
And, and yeah, I think one of 
the biggest I got here from 

1081
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,040
that, from what you just said, 
is that don't be afraid to reach

1082
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,920
out for help, you know, reach 
out for help. 

1083
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,520
People are willing to help and 
they want to help help you out. 

1084
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,520
So all right, so did you think 
of any questions for me? 

1085
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,040
I'd love to answer any questions
real quick as we wrap this up. 

1086
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,720
Yeah, yeah, let me let me go on 
a 10 second rant about that, 

1087
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:09,160
about reaching out for help too,
which is yeah, you may not. 

1088
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:12,920
You should watch this video. 
You probably noticed I'm a man 

1089
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,720
and men and women face different
struggles. 

1090
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:19,360
I can't even speak to the 
struggles. 

1091
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,240
Women face because I hate. 1 I 
can speak to men, but I I can 

1092
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:26,440
tell you for a fact that they're
not the same because the the not

1093
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,440
only are we different, they're 
the support systems, the 

1094
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,280
empathy, the everything that's 
out there is different from men,

1095
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,000
that it's for women. 
And so without meaning to, it 

1096
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,320
turns out that a lot of men are 
following me because I'm 

1097
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,640
speaking to them, not in a 
generic political correct. 

1098
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,640
All of us are AB and C. 
No, I'm speaking to them as a 

1099
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,440
man about struggles men go 
through and reaching out for 

1100
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:56,280
help is kind of contradicts what
men are in fact to a point that 

1101
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,200
men have they struggle with 
things like when I'm in a 

1102
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,360
relationship with a woman, the 
more I need help or show 

1103
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,080
vulnerability or weakness, all 
of a sudden my partner feels 

1104
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,840
less safe, less secure, and now 
I'm treated differently. 

1105
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,360
I better keep my damn mouth 
shut. 

1106
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,240
But men misinterpret that and 
they think, Oh, well, now I 

1107
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:18,600
can't talk to anybody because if
I've seen weak and vulnerable, 

1108
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,800
my partners and less attracted 
to me or, and then so men are 

1109
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,200
like, Oh my God, I got to keep 
my mouth shut. 

1110
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,360
Well, no, you don't need to keep
your mouth shut. 

1111
00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:30,200
You just need to not be 
vulnerable in front of a person 

1112
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,760
who's counting on you to be 
strong. 

1113
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,520
You can go over here and be 
vulnerable where that person 

1114
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,320
ain't. 
They don't get to see you being 

1115
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,400
vulnerable. 
Go crying your best friend's 

1116
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,600
shoulders, best friend, you 
crying your best friend's 

1117
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,600
shoulders. 
That's that's where you need to 

1118
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,960
be vulnerable. 
Not in those areas where as a 

1119
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,280
man, you have to be strong, but 
there's places. 

1120
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,320
And so go seek out as a man, go 
seek out help, but go seek out 

1121
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,480
places where you're safe to seek
out help. 

1122
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,360
And it ain't everywhere. 
There's select places we need to

1123
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:57,720
go. 
They exist. 

1124
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,520
And closest place they exist is 
with our closest male friend, 

1125
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,240
not our group. 
I'm so glad you brought that up 

1126
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:07,040
because it's so powerful. 
Yeah, I have. 

1127
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,000
I actually have a group of men 
that that I trust and rely on. 

1128
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,040
We have a regular Tuesday 
morning meeting where we go have

1129
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,280
breakfast. 
I haven't able to go as often 

1130
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,560
just with the new job, but I'm 
working it out to where I can 

1131
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,960
see them more often. 
But it is just that it's a place

1132
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,360
we all, we all have the similar 
faith, we have similar beliefs. 

1133
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,880
So when we talk, we know we're 
talking from the same plate 

1134
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,520
place, but we don't talk go 
there the judge each other. 

1135
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,360
We go there just to be guys, be 
goofy, be dumb, but we also go 

1136
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,680
there to be vulnerable. 
And it's amazing. 

1137
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:43,120
It's so helpful to talk to other
guys that have very similar 

1138
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,880
struggles and challenges because
from the outside you're like, 

1139
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,560
well, dude, he's a dude. 
He's making it. 

1140
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:48,880
He's successful. 
He's over here. 

1141
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,440
He's got a great marriage. 
He's and you find out that, 

1142
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,120
yeah, they've got a great 
marriage, but it's not without 

1143
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,560
struggles. 
Yeah, he's got a great business 

1144
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,200
that's growing, but it's not 
without his challenges and days 

1145
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,520
that he's like just barely 
getting by, but he's doing what 

1146
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,600
he needs to do. 
So it's great to be able to talk

1147
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,440
to other men that are going 
through that similar struggles 

1148
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,200
and challenges that you are and 
know that they're just doing 

1149
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,440
what they what they can do to 
make it so. 

1150
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:13,880
Yeah, I think that's great 
advice. 

1151
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,000
So, and, and this is, again, 
this is just, it's, it's there's

1152
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,280
a lot of, I don't want to go off
in the total tangent here, but 

1153
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,040
there's, there's a lot of mixed 
messages men get now that they 

1154
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:27,000
never got in the past. 
And we are told to be vulnerable

1155
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,640
in front of our partners. 
We want vulnerability, we want 

1156
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,280
this, we want that. 
Well, we don't get the reactions

1157
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,480
we want. 
Well, the reason we don't get 

1158
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,880
the reactions we want is that in
most cases that isn't 

1159
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,880
necessarily what the person 
wanted. 

1160
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,080
They wanted our partners want us
to be strong. 

1161
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,720
They want us to be met. 
But in 2025, you're not supposed

1162
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:46,320
to say that. 
That's toxic. 

1163
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,560
And it's like, well, no, guess 
what? 

1164
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,160
Guess what? 
No, it No, it's not. 

1165
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,080
My partner will tell you flat 
out, if I said to her right now,

1166
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,800
how would you feel? 
If I was just crying in front of

1167
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,480
you, she's like, I would feel 
unsafe. 

1168
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,360
You need to be a man. 
Yeah. 

1169
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,960
And she just verbalizes what I 
think a lot of people say. 

1170
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:05,320
But you're not supposed to in 
2025 S, you know, we got to be 

1171
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,440
man. 
It's OK to be a man that's wrong

1172
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,000
with being a man should be proud
to be a man. 

1173
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,480
But you need to figure out where
to be vulnerable and it's going 

1174
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,520
to be with man. 
It just is in my opinion. 

1175
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:16,480
Don't get mad at me in the 
comments or get mad at me. 

1176
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,200
I don't care. 
I'm I'm speaking what I believe.

1177
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,560
No, I want, yeah, I want speak 
what you believe. 

1178
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,200
Speak what? 
What you, what you feel. 

1179
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,880
So I think that's fantastic. 
People are going to hate, but 

1180
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,280
I'm sure there'll be a plenty of
other people that are glad. 

1181
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:31,920
So what questions do you have 
for me? 

1182
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,120
Oh, God, is there a God? 
What's the meaning of life? 

1183
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:42,360
No, no, no, I OK, I got a 
question for you. 

1184
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,760
So you're back with DD, right? 
All right. 

1185
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,800
So I would love to hear and I'm 
going to go ahead and give you 

1186
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,920
the platform. 
This is this is my marketing 

1187
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,360
part of my brand. 
I'll give you a platform to 

1188
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,360
pitch this. 
The thing about all the house at

1189
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,280
this companies, I'm friends with
all these. 

1190
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,120
I'm friends with Roscoe, I'm 
friends with Anders and Thomas 

1191
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,920
and Svante. 
And do you see like these are 

1192
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,920
all my friends and I love every 
one of them and I respect them 

1193
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,960
and they're great people who ran
great companies. 

1194
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:15,360
And the perception was that when
house at this came in that now 

1195
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,000
the decisions are being made 
that weren't being made by disc 

1196
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,000
golf people. 
And there has been ill feelings 

1197
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,800
in the community towards the 
House of disc companies because 

1198
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,600
of this. 
And of course, people that don't

1199
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,520
know the ends just think, oh, 
well, now there's this company's

1200
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,960
this and that company's that. 
They're not behind the scenes 

1201
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,560
realizing that the the original 
owners are pulling their hair 

1202
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,400
outgoing. 
No, we don't like these 

1203
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,960
decisions either, but we're not 
in charge anymore, right? 

1204
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,280
And but that you know, to the 
outside, all it is is dynamic. 

1205
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,240
Did this cast the plast change 
the plastic dad or whatever like

1206
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,560
that's all they see. 
So my question is. 

1207
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:56,040
What are you going to do? 
To to let people know that these

1208
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,440
companies are still being run by
the same they're not sorry. 

1209
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,480
They're they're still most of 
the core good people that made 

1210
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,160
you a fan of your companies 
before are still almost all of 

1211
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:08,960
them are actively involved in 
the companies. 

1212
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,960
How do you how do you turn 
public public opinion about this

1213
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:13,280
because you got an uphill 
battle. 

1214
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,400
Oh. 
Yeah, for sure, for sure. 

1215
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,880
And that's a great question, a 
question that I've asked myself 

1216
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,960
that the from the moment I had a
conversation with David Berglund

1217
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,120
of Latitude 64, when he talked 
about when he called me and 

1218
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,240
asked me about my interest in 
coming back, It was a question 

1219
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:32,000
that I still asked myself last 
night after some conversations I

1220
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,480
had with some of our team 
players. 

1221
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,360
I can't go back and change the 
past, you know, I don't have 

1222
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,400
that power. 
I wasn't involved when I left. 

1223
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:47,560
Things were like still on the 
huge climb from the pandemic as 

1224
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,320
far as sales and as far as 
interest in disc golf. 

1225
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,880
They were climbing high when I 
left dynamic Disc, and I didn't 

1226
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,440
leave because I didn't like 
Dynamic disc. 

1227
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,880
There were some personal reasons
going on in my life. 

1228
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,960
I felt like I needed to be 
closer back with my family. 

1229
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:07,040
So I was an outsider watching 
things happen and I my heart 

1230
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,440
broke when I saw some of the 
news of people getting laid off.

1231
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,280
I got mad when I saw certain 
decisions being made about 

1232
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,840
pricing and things like that. 
I was like, what are they doing 

1233
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,480
with this? 
What is going on over there? 

1234
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,200
But I was on the outside, so I 
can't really speak to a lot of 

1235
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,160
the decisions that were made, 
whether they were great 

1236
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,280
decisions, bad decisions, why 
those decisions were made. 

1237
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,200
Of course, I have my own 
personal opinion about it, but I

1238
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,120
can't change that. 
I can't change any of that. 

1239
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,880
All I can do is move forward 
with what I have before me. 

1240
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,040
And right now what I have before
me is it's less people here for 

1241
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,960
sure, but the people that are 
here have that same passion for 

1242
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:45,000
the sport, the same passion for 
the brands and they want nothing

1243
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,120
but to see the sport succeed and
of course the company succeed 

1244
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,040
because it's not that we want to
make money a lot. 

1245
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,640
That's the thing that makes me 
mad is these, yes, the people 

1246
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,240
that invested in us, they 
invested because they want to 

1247
00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:59,680
see growth and they want to make
money. 

1248
00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:03,720
But I've met some of them and 
they just want to see success, 

1249
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,880
right? 
And yes, some of their decisions

1250
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,280
are based on the numbers that we
have out there and decisions 

1251
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,440
that have to be made. 
They're not fun decisions, but 

1252
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,280
their decision, it's like, I 
mean, let's just be honest, some

1253
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,440
of the decisions that were made 
is so that we are still here. 

1254
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,560
If some of those decisions 
weren't being made, we may not 

1255
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,760
even have what we have now. 
So I'm glad they made those 

1256
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,880
decisions. 
Am I glad that some people had 

1257
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,600
to lose their job or. 
Get laid off or decided to quit.

1258
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,800
No, not at all. 
But these we're here and what we

1259
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,520
have now is, like I said, a 
group of people that have a 

1260
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,160
passion for the sport. 
And this just as you say, you're

1261
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,360
making money to do, to see, to 
live out your goals and to live 

1262
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,840
out your mission and your 
vision. 

1263
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,920
Same thing here. 
Our goal is to grow the sport, 

1264
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,240
yes, to be a successful business
so that we can do something we 

1265
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,440
believe in, which is see this 
sport we love grow and succeed. 

1266
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:01,680
And so now my, my job is to not 
allow the negative stories to be

1267
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,400
what people hear about. 
And that's all that people 

1268
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,560
concentrate on or focus on. 
My job is now to continue to 

1269
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,240
tell the story of what we're 
doing behind the scenes to help 

1270
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,960
the sport grow and to help be 
passionate people and enrich 

1271
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,040
people's lives here through the 
sport of disc golf. 

1272
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,800
I'm simply just going to show 
what's going on and what's been 

1273
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,360
missed all these years. 
It's a tough thing because now 

1274
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,480
I've got to kind of turn the 
tide. 

1275
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,280
And man, that tide is the 
everyday. 

1276
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,000
I learned this tide. 
The turn is heavier and heavier 

1277
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,760
than I thought it was, but it's 
still there and I still believe 

1278
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,640
in it. 
And that's what drives me is to 

1279
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,160
make sure we we continue to tell
the stories that's happening 

1280
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,720
here, whether it's our 
tournament directors, the great 

1281
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,600
tournament sponsorship program 
we have with our plastic, we 

1282
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,520
have, we've always had great 
plastic. 

1283
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,400
The plastic has for some of the 
companies, nothing has changed. 

1284
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,120
There's we could get into the 
weeds of it, but you know, 

1285
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,360
people keep saying, well, the 
plastic did this, plastic did 

1286
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:56,880
this. 
Yeah, maybe a little bit changed

1287
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,480
because of manufacturing, but 
they're not all the same 

1288
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,720
plastic. 
And like you said, people don't 

1289
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,800
know the story behind the story.
And so that's my job is to tell 

1290
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,560
those stories to make sure that 
people don't believe the the 

1291
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,000
misinformation that's put out 
there. 

1292
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,520
I know it's kind of a rant on my
part of, of talking about what's

1293
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,400
going on, but that's that's what
I believe is that I've just got 

1294
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,640
to tell the story because no one
else is telling it and other 

1295
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,440
people were just going to 
believe what to put out there. 

1296
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:27,360
Yeah, you got hey, like you got.
You have an uphill battle and 

1297
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,200
it's going to be smart. 
If I can I give you my my old 

1298
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:31,840
man advice to you. 
Please do. 

1299
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,400
So disc golf is the way disc 
golf works. 

1300
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,800
It's very tribal, it's very 
community and people are very 

1301
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,400
loyal to their tribe and, and 
every, you know, the, the, the 

1302
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,360
people dynamic that through 
dynamic with people through cast

1303
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,080
applies today. 
They that was part of their 

1304
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,480
tribe and people felt betrayed. 
Yeah. 

1305
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,960
They they, they felt betrayed. 
And there's, there is, there's 

1306
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,280
that's the most difficult thing 
to overcome. 

1307
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,440
So I'm going to give, I'm going 
to take a quick aside here. 

1308
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,120
I'm a pro wrestling guy, OK? 
I do pro wrestling. 

1309
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,400
I'm a, I'm a heel manager. 
I do indie shows. 

1310
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,600
I'm going to be doing another 
show here that I love. 

1311
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,880
I love pro wrestling. 
And when you're trying to make a

1312
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,840
bad guy in pro wrestling, like a
new guy comes to your territory 

1313
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,800
or new guy if you, and I'm not 
talking about the modern version

1314
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,120
where everybody hangs out after 
the show signing autographs. 

1315
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,440
I'm in the old days when there's
actually bad guys that people 

1316
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,480
hate it. 
If you wanted to make a bad guy,

1317
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,520
the best way to do it, if you 
really wanted to get people 

1318
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,200
angry, was you wouldn't bring 
him in as a bad guy. 

1319
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,880
You would bring him in as 
someone people liked, got 

1320
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,840
behind, and then you betrayed 
them and let your people down 

1321
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,880
because that is a different 
visceral feeling the audience 

1322
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,160
would feel because they're like,
I supported you. 

1323
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,160
I bought your shirt, I took my 
kids to meet you. 

1324
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,240
You signed my autograph and 
pretended you were nice, you 

1325
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,000
know, at the Expo, whatever. 
And I think people felt 

1326
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,240
betrayed. 
They felt betrayed when these 

1327
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,680
things were happening and 
winning them back is a lot 

1328
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,920
harder than if if they simply 
just didn't like you and you 

1329
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,560
tried to convince them to give 
them a chance. 

1330
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,240
And the best way to do this is, 
is I'm telling you, you guys 

1331
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,680
need to own it. 
Like you need to own every 

1332
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,200
single thing that was wrong. 
And you need to own it with 

1333
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,680
yeah, that was a bad decision. 
We wouldn't do that again. 

1334
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,240
We know why it was wrong. 
I totally understand why that 

1335
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,600
pissed you off. 
That honesty is the first. 

1336
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,600
And by the way, you're not going
to win everybody back. 

1337
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:22,080
But I think the honesty will and
and the accountability I think 

1338
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,760
will will win some of them back 
because they they don't want to 

1339
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,400
not. 
Like you, they they. 

1340
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:27,960
Just want to feel like they can 
trust you again. 

1341
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,560
Right, no, no, you hit it on the
nail right there is that that's 

1342
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,800
part of the battles earning back
people's trust and the only I 

1343
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,760
mean, I could say it over and 
over again, but I'm just going 

1344
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,480
to have to show it and it's 
that's that's what I'm. 

1345
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:44,200
And you also have to take time, 
and you cannot tell them when to

1346
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,040
trust you again. 
That's on their schedule. 

1347
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,280
That's like when you apologize 
to somebody, you you cannot 

1348
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,960
decide when you're forgiven. 
You can apologize and then the 

1349
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,440
forgiveness happens on their 
time, if ever. 

1350
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,320
And that's just the way it is. 
But and now, of course, you also

1351
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,280
have there's still there's a new
audience. 

1352
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,520
There's people that don't know 
anything about anything that you

1353
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,920
can win over from scratch. 
I think they're I don't say it's

1354
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,360
easy. 
I'm trying to build an audience.

1355
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:11,240
It's not easy, but it's easier 
than the people, any people 

1356
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,080
back. 
But yeah, I would go honest and 

1357
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:14,720
accountability. 
And then that's your. 

1358
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,400
First time I think that's and I 
think that's why why people like

1359
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,080
you said with the whole 
wrestling and I laughed at that 

1360
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,440
because I remember those they're
like, wait, he was a he was a 

1361
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:24,600
good guy. 
Now he's a bad guy. 

1362
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,320
Like it was, it was like it 
threw you off. 

1363
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,160
You want to piss someone off? 
Sell someone a $30 shirt, Sell. 

1364
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,000
Sell someone a $30 shirt with 
your logo on it. 

1365
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,400
And then all of a sudden betray 
them next week and now you've 

1366
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,560
just wasted 30 bucks. 
That's like, you know what? 

1367
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,320
That OK, I'll give you one more 
example. 

1368
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,440
Go buy a jersey from somebody on
your sports team. 

1369
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,640
And then then the next, next 
week, they demand a trade and 

1370
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,400
you're like, wait, I just spent 
$100 on a jersey like. 

1371
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,720
That is right. 
Because because you, you know, 

1372
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,960
started off here and came down. 
So yeah. 

1373
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,080
Yeah. 
And that's why I think, I think 

1374
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,560
that's why Dynamic Disc got 
picked on the most when all this

1375
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,720
went down is because we were the
brand that was like, hey, come 

1376
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,440
join our journey, Come help, 
come grow the sport with us, you

1377
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,120
know, and we took you on our 
journey and we showed you a lot 

1378
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:10,840
of behind the scenes. 
And all of a sudden they felt 

1379
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:15,200
betrayed. 
But, you know, now me being back

1380
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,080
is, is, is literally an 
acknowledgement from a lot of 

1381
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,960
the people in leadership that 
they needed to get back to what 

1382
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,280
we did before, which was being 
transparent, being honest, 

1383
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,680
owning what we do, you know, 
making decisions, taking risks, 

1384
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,560
and then owning the 
consequences, whether they're 

1385
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,280
good or bad. 
And just having people join us 

1386
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,160
for the journey because we're 
all, you know, you know, we're 

1387
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:36,440
all in this. 
We always had that. 

1388
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,800
We're all in this together to 
help grow the sport we love, to 

1389
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,720
share the sport we love with 
everybody. 

1390
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:42,720
So. 
We'll tell. 

1391
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:43,840
We'll then tell the. 
Story. 

1392
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,400
I love it. 
Tell the story of the journey 

1393
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,520
back then that that that that 
that's a story people might 

1394
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:51,160
TuneIn for. 
Hey, I appreciate man. 

1395
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,360
I appreciate everything. 
I appreciate everybody's excited

1396
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,920
to have you back. 
Thank you for having me on seems

1397
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,040
how I'm a competitor and 
honestly between you and me, 

1398
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:00,920
you're all going to be working 
for me someday. 

1399
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:06,960
But but I will remember those 
people who were nice to me along

1400
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:08,560
the way. 
So when you come to work for me,

1401
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,760
you probably won't start 
sweeping the warehouse floor. 

1402
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,840
I'll probably start you with 
like a desk job. 

1403
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,240
You're still going to start down
here, but still down. 

1404
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:16,840
Below, Right, right, right, 
right. 

1405
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,480
Oh, no, everybody starts off. 
Everybody starts off low. 

1406
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,440
But if they're nice to me, they 
skip these sweeping the, the, 

1407
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,720
the warehouse floor and they 
started menial desk. 

1408
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:30,040
So yeah, I, I won't forget you 
when I'm, when I'm, when I'm the

1409
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:31,520
biggest. 
Thank you so much for that, 

1410
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:32,440
Scott. 
I appreciate that. 

1411
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,200
I'll I'll keep you to it. 
I'll hold you to that. 

1412
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:35,360
So OK. 
You got it. 

1413
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,920
No, thank you so much. 
I appreciate the conversation, 

1414
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,160
Scott, and the transparency and 
the honesty. 

1415
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,240
And I love the mission and 
everything you've got going on. 

1416
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,240
So I appreciate that and thanks 
for being on the show. 

1417
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,160
You're very welcome man. 
Say hi to everybody. 

1418
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:47,160
Thanks. 
Bye. 

1419
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:47,600
Bye.