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All right, so we're here with 
Jackie Morris. 

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The what? 
The event. 

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Tell me the whole. 
Title coordinator and community 

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outreach. 
Absolutely. 

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So in this series we're going to
learn more about people that 

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work in disc golf but work in 
behind the scenes of disc golf. 

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And so I thought we would start 
with some people here at the 

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Dynamic Discs headquarters. 
Now, how long have you been with

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Dynamic Discs? 
10 years. 

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It'll be 10 years June 3rd, so 
in two weeks. 

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Did you ever think it'd be 10 
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When we started here, no, 
absolutely not. 

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I didn't even know, like what? 
I didn't even know what disc 

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golf was. 
Jacob just told me that there 

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was a job available and I was 
like, sure. 

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What were you doing before? 
I was working at T-Mobile and I 

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was working in the marketing 
department at the college. 

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Oh, really? 
And I didn't want to work at 

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T-Mobile anymore. 
And Jacob was like, hey, they're

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hiring. 
And I was like, sure. 

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So no, I did not think I would 
be here that long because that 

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was my senior year of college 
and when I graduated, got 

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offered a full time position and
then yeah, literally the rest is

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history. 
That's crazy. 

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Now, I, I remember working with 
you back in the day, you worked 

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in the store for a while, but 
tell us like what all the 

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different areas have you worked 
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So pro yeah, pro shop. 
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fulfillment. 
I briefly assisted with trade 

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shows, did our warranty claims 
for a little while and just did 

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everything customer service 
related, you know, like the live

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chat, phone calls, things like 
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And then I started assisting 
with volunteer coordinating, 

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became the retail manager, and 
then found my way into events. 

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Nice, you've been all over the 
place with the disk, often 

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dynamic disks and. 
Kind of cool though to like 

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learn all those positions and 
then just kind of like have a 

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better understanding of what 
each person does now as well. 

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I can see that because a lot of 
times people kind of get stuck 

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in their little silo of what 
they do and they know that there

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are other parts, but they don't 
understand how all they work. 

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How do you think that that has 
benefited you? 

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Probably just in ways where I 
can maybe be a little more 

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understanding of like the 
processes and like knowing 

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exactly what I need to do or who
I need to go to to figure out 

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things. 
Or even just like be able to 

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help with things that I no 
longer do. 

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Like being able to assist with 
the customer service e-mail, 

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mail or like during the 
holidays, like help pack orders 

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and do anything like that. 
So I think it's been a benefit 

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in understanding processes and 
then being helpful when I can 

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be. 
Now, how did you move into the 

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current role that you are in 
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How did that all that come 
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I remember working, I was 
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it and I was just getting to 
this point where I wanted to do 

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something different. 
I wanted to do something more 

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challenging in a way and maybe 
something that more aligned with

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what I was passionate about. 
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passionate about retail and 
customer service 'cause they 

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still at the heart of 
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Like that's who we are. 
But I remember Doug was looking 

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for a replacement since he was, 
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different transitions in the 
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And so I just asked. 
I just asked if like, I just 

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made it, noted that I was 
interested in it and just asked 

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about it. 
And they're like, Are you sure? 

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And I was like, yeah, I think 
so. 

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Like I've been helping, you 
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volunteer coordinating and all 
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And then Doug was like, OK, like
if you're really serious then we

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can talk more about it. 
And then I was, after the 2021 

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GBOI started jumping into events
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And so Junior World's 20/21 was 
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assistant tournament directed. 
And so it's kind of cool now 

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being the tournament director 
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you were more like. 
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You're still at the retail store
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Were you helping at all with 
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Yes, I was doing the volunteer 
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I was like running check in 
basically like I just owned that

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and then basically just assisted
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What was, was there any moments 
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this really what I want to do 
or? 

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I don't know. 
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your job you are going to think 
that, yeah, is this really what 

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I wanna do? 
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And I don't know. 
I've just really enjoyed it. 

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I like planning. 
I like events. 

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I like creating something and 
making it tangible for other 

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people's to experience. 
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Yeah. 
So you went to, you said the 

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2021 GBO and then 2021 Junior 
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Yep. 
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tournament director. 
How much? 

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I mean, I know that you 
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I'm assuming, but what were some
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going to that role? 
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responsibility as far as the 
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budget for that, working with 
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happen. 
That was a big project of mine. 

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While Doug then took care of, 
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layouts, you know, all the 
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And then I, I ran check in 
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volunteers were good. 
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responsibility. 
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director on one of the courses, 
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say that week as well. 
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helped for Worlds, pro Worlds 
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helped do volunteers, I also 
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package. 
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that role, I kind of knew some 
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So like I helped with that and 
creating maps and trying to get 

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information and drafting emails 
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And so I did get more 
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stuff I had already been doing. 
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it a step further. 
What's something that you didn't

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even realize went into event 
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this? 
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like? 
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an event coordinator, this is 
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I do things like attending city 
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Oh yeah. 
And what do you go to there for?

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Just to kind of see what's going
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Or yeah, especially like when 
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city and like being able to show
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at the city on especially when 
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like working with them on 
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and event forms and having 
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Like all that stuff that goes 
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think about like running at an 
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glass went open or a world. 
There's all that parts of it, 

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all those parts of it that you 
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renting the course. 
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to run an event, they're like, 
I'm just gonna go do this. 

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No, actually, you have to like 
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budget. 
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all your IS are dotted and your 
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good stuff. 
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director for Junior World's 
2021, tell me the first event 

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where you were you were the 
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golf pro tour dynamic is open. 
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That's a big one. 
Was that like all were you like,

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were you feeling it as the 
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Like the pressure of all of it. 
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Doug and he was still doing 
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well. 
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and then we had Pro Worlds just 
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he was the term doctor for that 
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So yeah, that was the first 
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pressure in the way that there 
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and you want to make sure that 
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And it was the first time I 
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I know we were on the Pro Tour 
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form or fashion like the 
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tournament director. 
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and making sure you're following
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agreement. 
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pressure when it comes to 
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mean, it didn't scare me away. 
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I love it. 
I. 

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Love it, still here. 
Yeah. 

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So now as part of what you do in
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and stuff like that, you've 
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fundraisers and things like 
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So tell us kind of like what's 
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community outreach? 
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clinic this morning and 
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was someone reached out to me, 
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people they were wanting to have
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there where we wanted to have it
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And then usually, yeah, just 
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get people plan. 
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fundraiser. 
It's a lot more scaled down than

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a major. 
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funds and they'll come to me and
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through what's the goal, what's 
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picking a date, reserving the 
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kind of put things out there, be
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clinics, we can help with 
fundraisers, and then we do 

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donations, local donations, and 
a lot of those just get sent to 

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me or people will ask questions 
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conversations from there. 
What? 

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So you've done all the tiers, 
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We know that disc golf runs off 
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We have, you know, ABA tier, B 
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And then you, you know, you get 
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tour. 
But let's break it down just for

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an A tier B tier C tier in your 
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I mean, I know there's 
specifics, you can go online to 

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see the difference, but in your 
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them, give us some a feel for 
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between the different tiers. 
I could run AB tier in my sleep 

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and an A tier. 
Absolutely not. 

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Not kidding. 
No, yeah, it is different. 

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Like, yeah, you've got these 
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there? 
There actually are stipulations 

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to the different types of tiers.
Like AB tier you have to have a 

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minimum set of holes to play. 
AC tier is the same thing. 

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AB tier you have to add this 
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AC tier you don't have to, you 
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percentages and different rules 
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And AC tier is like a very entry
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It's a sanctioned event. 
Most anyone can play. 

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You don't need it necessarily 
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You could have it be flex, you 
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more leniency. 
You could have a one round, two 

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rounds, just just different 
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Whereas like you start to go up 
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more limitations, more rules. 
BTR has to be at least three 

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rounds or you could, I guess you
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rounds and oh, I'm sorry, B 
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have a minimum number of holes a
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And then yeah, you get to like 
elite series, majors, different 

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things like that. 
They all have different criteria

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you have to meet. 
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going to have less, especially 
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If you really want to like read 
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all of the tiers. 
But yeah, you you have less 

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rules, easier to do leniency, 
things like that. 

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So yeah. 
So you would think like from a 

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tournament director standpoint 
that like the C tiers or the XC 

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tiers are like the easiest to 
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Is that the case? 
It's like fairly easy. 

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Yeah, and what's funny for me is
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to run because my brain is so B 
tier and above set. 

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And yeah, Derek, one time my 
boss, he told me he's gonna hate

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that I said my boss, my Co 
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that you never had to run an 
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picnic table. 
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of tournament directors do. 
And I've been very lucky to work

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here and have all the resources 
I need. 

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So yeah, it's just been funny 
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getting ready to help with AAC 
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OK, this doesn't have to be big 
out of the water, Jackie. 

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Like this can like, it can be 
fun. 

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It'll be great. 
Like will be great. 

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I do love fundraisers for that 
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Just laid back but. 
I remember back in the day when 

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I first started doing media for 
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and watching like Ruscoe and 
Searle and Clay running the 

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numbers and getting like in 
between a rounds. 

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They were like, you know, 
putting in the scores and moving

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things around and putting the 
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It can get pretty intense 
sometimes. 

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Yes, 'cause you were rushing and
yeah, you had a whole fleet of 

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team and I did do that a few 
times, but I was lucky to get 

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into event running at the time 
that I did 'cause now 

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everything's digital. 
You know, you can use Udisk, set

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up an event through there, you 
can use the if you're 

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distinction, you've got PDJ live
and tournament manager and all 

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that. 
But it really was like if we 

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were still doing it that way, I 
would definitely need more help.

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Cause a lot of the Times Now 
like Monkey Islands to be tier, 

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I could just, I need help 
checking in. 

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And then after that the system 
does it for me. 

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And I just kind of like, you 
know, do my stuff on the 

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computer and get it posted. 
But yeah, that stuff was really 

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exciting though. 
That like feeling of you get 

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there and you're, you know, 
you're, you're checking people 

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in and you're trying to move 
cards and get people to start 

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and then you like count as fast 
as you can. 

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And it was cool to see. 
And I'm glad I got to like catch

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the tail end of that 'cause it 
does make me appreciate 

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everything we have now. 
I remember sometimes I would 

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help call out scores and stuff 
like that. 

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It was really cool. 
All right, so let's kind of hone

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in on the glass one Open or the 
GBO since this is the first year

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it's been back at namesake and 
in the way it's been ran. 

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So, you know, from the outside, 
you know, I've been paying 

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attention to social media. 
People thought it was a success.

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And I know you feel, you know, 
based on meetings we've had, you

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feel like it was an overall 
success. 

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But let's kind of like dig deep,
pull the curtain back. 

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What were some of the things 
that maybe didn't quite go as 

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planned that no one would have, 
like, really have seen from the 

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outside? 
Or is there anything that like, 

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Oh my God, I cannot believe this
is happening? 

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Anything like that happened? 
We definitely had some things 

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that happened that I was like, 
oh gosh, like someone getting 

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injured on a course and having 
an ambulance called, that's 

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always difficult. 
And I mean, the best thing to do

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is call and they want 1, you 
know, when an emergency happens.

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But like when something happens 
like that, it's like, oh shoot, 

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you know, like you can't plan 
for that. 

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The rain, you always can't plan 
for it. 

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But one of our course structures
actually that was going to be 

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coming here and helping got into
a really bad accident a couple 

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weeks before. 
So he wasn't able to come out 

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and I was like, you know what, 
it's fine, I'll do it, right? 

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So that was different. 
I was like, poor Jason Curl, 

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like had to be with me all week 
at Jones East and I had to be 

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available because other course 
directors were texting me or you

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get phone calls from players or 
whatever. 

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And so I was helping as much as 
I could. 

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And honestly, he didn't need me 
there. 

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But, you know, it's just nice to
have two course directors out, 

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of course. 
So yeah, just adapting to that 

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and still being able to do all 
my computer work from the course

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and take care of everything I 
needed to on the back end while 

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also assisting with player 
meetings and calling out names 

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and all that good stuff. 
So yeah, I was, I remember 

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leading up to the event, I was 
like, I feel too good about this

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event. 
Something terrible's going to 

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happen. 
I like, hate feeling good about 

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something. 
And I think it was Derek was 

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like, I'm sure you are, but if 
if you're missing something, 

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like are you prepared to deal 
with it? 

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And I was like, yeah, I think 
so. 

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So that's all you can be is 
whatever happens in real time, 

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you just it happened. 
We don't need to gripe and 

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complain about it. 
We just need to find a solution 

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and move forward. 
There you go. 

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So yeah, I can't think of 
anything else that was like, Oh 

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my gosh, I can't believe this 
happened. 

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Now I know the glass one open 
isn't the only event that has 

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like festivals added on, but it 
is one of the more unique events

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as far as the city joining in 
and, you know, blocking off the 

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doing a block party where they 
block off certain blocks of 

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downtown. 
So how is that as an added layer

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from running other events and 
then all of a sudden having to 

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do this where you know, you've 
got all the auxiliary events 

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that people do around town and 
then you've got the block party 

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to figure out. 
So how did how do you keep all 

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that organized? 
Very carefully, I put everything

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in a an Excel document and I 
call it my playbook for that 

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event. 
And at this point it's something

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I can literally just copy year 
after year and then like refill 

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in. 
But yeah, I kind of like look at

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like what I'm planning and then,
you know, the purpose of this a 

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tier is the disc golf portion, 
right? 

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So as long as I take care of 
that first and we're good. 

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And everything else that comes 
with it is an added or an extra.

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So as long as everything that's 
like the purpose of it is good, 

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we're good to work on all these 
other things. 

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And I just start conversation 
super early, you know, like 6 

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months out. 
Hey, we're doing this. 

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And then I try to keep 
everything straight as far as 

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like I have a tab for everything
in this Excel sheet I'm using 

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like my timeline when I need to 
order porta Johns, when I need 

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to order like reserve parks, 
when, when do I need to order 

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trophies? 
So I've literally got everything

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kind of timelined out. 
And then, you know, sponsor 

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emails, who if I sent them to 
who, who wants to sponsor? 

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What donations do we have? 
I use a lot of Google forms too 

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to keep things straight, you 
know, like to intake information

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from my staff that's coming and 
making sure that I booked a 

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block of hotel rooms for them. 
So there's just so many small 

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things like that that people 
will forget about. 

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And so I do, I just have it all 
in an Excel document and there's

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just tabs like staff, vendors, 
this, that. 

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And then now I just have it down
where I have like the same 

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emails. 
I just copy and change things in

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them every year and just update 
this, you know, this Excel sheet

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to change dates, change numbers,
have the volunteers, how many 

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volunteers do we need per 
course? 

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What do we need them doing? 
But yeah, just kind of have it 

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all there so I don't forget. 
Now I know for me, the kind of 

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person I am is like, I have a 
vision, right? 

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And I have a strategy or what I 
want to get accomplished. 

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And it feels like everything 
would go perfectly fine if it 

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wasn't for people. 
Right. 

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Right. 
You have the, you have this 

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spreadsheet, you have everything
planned and then you've got to, 

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I don't care what industry 
you're in, the thing, it's 

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people. 
Yes. 

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The thing to remember is that 
people are not a technical 

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problem. 
They're not a technical thing. 

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They are. 
When you're working with people,

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it's always going to be 
adaptive. 

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And if you remember that, then 
usually you can work through 

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some things 'cause you're not 
gonna find a technical fix when 

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you're working with people 
you're gonna constantly be 

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adapting to OK, Like, they're 
upset about this. 

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What can we do to do that? 
You know, this or that. 

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Whereas like a canopy breaks, 
you're gonna go out and change 

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it. 
That's your technical problem. 

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And I guess I'm using some 
leadership like language here. 

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But that's, that's The thing is 
like remembering that when you 

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were working with people, you 
were working with their values. 

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I like that. 
So that's something that I try 

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to keep in remind like in mind. 
So like if someone comes to 

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something, they get frustrated 
and they're upset, I mean, it's 

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because they had this 
expectation and it didn't get 

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met. 
So it's like, OK, like what can 

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we do to either navigate that 
and what can we offer? 

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Or is it just like one of those 
things you kind of have to like 

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speak to loss and try again next
year? 

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So yeah, people, people, yeah, 
they're just, you got to be able

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to adapt with one other. 
Yeah, One thing that I sometimes

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implement is I always tell 
myself that people are going to 

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disappoint you. 
And if, and I know that's kind 

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of maybe a negative way to look 
at it, but if you but if you 

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have an understanding that, like
you said, people are people, 

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they're not things, they're 
going to disappoint you, then 

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when something happens, it's not
as big of a deal because you've 

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already prepared yourself for 
it. 

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Yeah. 
Right. 

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And to remember that, like, you 
don't have to take everything so

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personally, right? 
Because sometimes it's not about

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you. 
You're just the person in front 

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of them. 
Yeah. 

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And that's all you can't do. 
Yeah. 

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So alright, so sticking with 
GBO, what would what would you 

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say would be like maybe some top
lessons you learn from this past

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GBO that you want to like take 
with you for the next event? 

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I know that this is like a 
lesson that I have learned, but 

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I'm continuously reminded of it 
is that community's just so 

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important, The disc golf 
community, the important 

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community, whatever community 
you surround yourself. 

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Like that community is so 
important and I'm just so lucky 

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to have to be in so many great 
communities. 

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So while that's a lesson I 
learned long ago, you know, 

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whatever you submerge yourself 
in, it's nice to be reminded 

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some other lessons. 
Good gravy. 

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I mean, I'm always learning 
lessons, but. 

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What did you find it challenging
to delegate responsibilities? 

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Do you ever get to where like 
you're like, OK, I just, I know 

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this needs to be done. 
I'll just do it. 

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But you have to kind of empower 
people and and delicate. 

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Is that an issue for you or are 
you able to do that easier? 

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I'm better at that now than I 
used to be, did not used to be 

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good at it. 
But I have learned over the 

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years like you have to ask for 
help. 

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Yeah, period was. 
That like a light switch that 

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flipped on for you or you just 
eventually you just kind of 

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learned it and implemented it 
more at the more events you ran?

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I kind of learned it, I guess 
through like just other 

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community things and like books 
and stuff like that and just 

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trying to, you know, self help, 
work on yourself and grow. 

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But then like when you actually 
ask for help and you accept it 

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and then you really do kind of 
understand that, oh, this is 

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easier. 
But yeah, I guess some lessons I

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learned with just mentioning 
that is I just felt way too good

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the whole week and I just kept, 
I was just like, I don't 

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understand. 
And then it was like, because I 

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I had a great team, like, you 
know, and that's a good lesson 

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is if you have the right people 
in place, it makes things so 

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much easier. 
It really does. 

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And being able to share the 
workload it does. 

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So that's all. 
That's always a great lesson and

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something I definitely learned 
this past time is like, man, 

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yeah, we just had such a great 
team, great effect. 

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We were so prepared and and 
things like that. 

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So that was nice. 
And then I mean, one lesson I 

452
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,480
always, it's like an ongoing 
thing is we can always improve, 

453
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,440
can always take notes, we can 
always try something different. 

454
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,640
This didn't work. 
That did work. 

455
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,520
So on and so forth. 
Yeah. 

456
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,920
Now, I'd send you a few 
questions before this, and one 

457
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,120
of the questions was, you know, 
what was the biggest challenge 

458
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,880
at GBO that you faced? 
And then tell us how you 

459
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:53,760
overcame that challenge. 
Definitely just I think the 

460
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,960
biggest challenge that we faced 
and then I guess it's me too, 

461
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:06,040
but like we we faced was that 
stigma of like GBO and not being

462
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,240
on the pro tour and like it 
would not being as fun or it's 

463
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,040
not gonna be as great or just, 
you know, things like that 

464
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,360
because the pros weren't here. 
And so that was a challenge like

465
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:21,520
trying to like just tell people 
like it's still gonna be a great

466
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,360
time, even if it's not like how 
it how it has been in the past 

467
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:32,240
few years. 
And I don't know, I mean, we 

468
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,640
still had a great turn out and 
it seemed like everyone that was

469
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,360
here had such a wonderful time. 
So with that in mind, knowing 

470
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:41,080
that that was kind of a 
perception that was out there, 

471
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:46,000
what was your mindset going into
it with that in mind, like, or 

472
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,480
did you purposely do anything to
go like, I guess we'll show you,

473
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:51,600
We're going to show you a good 
time. 

474
00:25:52,040 --> 00:26:02,800
Oh, sorry, Light bulb. 
Yeah, in some ways. 

475
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,200
And I was just trying, you know,
like to make it that festival 

476
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,280
feel again in a little ways. 
And again, it was still smaller 

477
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,800
than like that 1600 people we 
had back in the day, but it was 

478
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,600
so manageable. 
And it seemed like everyone that

479
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,120
came had such a great time. 
And I got so many emails that 

480
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:22,640
said that people had such a 
hoot. 

481
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,360
But yeah, like, going into the 
vent, I was like, OK, like, what

482
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:28,240
can we do to make this still 
great, right? 

483
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:31,480
And be like, you were going to 
wish you were here with us. 

484
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:33,640
That's awesome. 
Even if there weren't 

485
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,640
professionals and all the other 
stuff but. 

486
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,040
Well, I think it was a fantastic
restart. 

487
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,280
I guess if it is if the proper 
way of of calling it kind of a 

488
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,560
restart with the Glassbone open,
I think it was great. 

489
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,600
I was able to come down. 
I didn't get to come down the 

490
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,320
whole week, but I was able to 
come down for the GBO block 

491
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,440
party and. 
My birthday party? 

492
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:51,080
Yeah. 
It's not your. 

493
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,520
Birthday party. 
I just kept telling everyone it 

494
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,720
was my birthday party. 
I know you just kind of walked 

495
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,040
them like it's my birthday 
party. 

496
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,400
So that was really cool. 
So no, I think yeah, everybody I

497
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,720
encountered said they had a good
time. 

498
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,480
And then the some of the videos 
I've watched, you know, people 

499
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,080
had a really good time. 
So you did a really good job 

500
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,080
with that. 
So Congrats on that. 

501
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:12,000
OK, so to wrap things up, give 
me 3 pieces of advice that you 

502
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,440
would give someone that's 
looking into running a disc of 

503
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,520
event. 
Now, whether that's casual or 

504
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,160
sanctioned, if someone's like, 
you know what, I want to start 

505
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,000
running some events in my area, 
what's 3 pieces of advice you'd 

506
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,160
give them? 
So whether it's AC tier or a 

507
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,920
fundraiser, a big event, or 
honestly any event, I think it's

508
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,640
important to remember your 
purpose. 

509
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,480
Why are you doing it? 
If you're doing it for yourself,

510
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,840
probably not a great purpose. 
If you're doing it for others or

511
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,160
you know, like there's a 
specific reasoning behind it 

512
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,080
now, like if you're throwing a 
birthday party, obviously that's

513
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,080
for you. 
OK, Like, but your purpose is 

514
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,240
like to have a good time with 
your friends or do something 

515
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,640
some some celebrating. 
But yeah, if you're going to run

516
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,680
an event, just like having a 
purpose, like what is the 

517
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,600
purpose of you wanting it to be 
competitive? 

518
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,800
You want it to be fun 
fundraiser? 

519
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,000
Are you wanting to take it to 
the next level? 

520
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,720
Just different things like that.
You want it to be long standing.

521
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,400
And then I always say, like if 
you are hosting an event, 

522
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,120
remember your audience. 
Always remember your audience 

523
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:20,760
and who you're doing it for. 
A Junior World probably don't 

524
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,480
want to just have a beer garden.
That would be weird. 

525
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,640
Yeah. 
I mean, for the parents, great. 

526
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,200
But like, what are the, what are
the kids gonna do? 

527
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,000
You know, we're running this 
event for children. 

528
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,520
They probably want to have some 
children geared activities. 

529
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,680
So yeah, remembering who your 
audience is is always really 

530
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,480
important. 
And then finally, piece #3 

531
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,880
asking for help. 
Yeah. 

532
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:50,760
So just it doesn't take much to 
ask for help, even though we 

533
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,120
make it seem such like a big 
thing in our heads, you know? 

534
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,760
But in like the right people 
will say yes and sometimes 

535
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,480
people will say no, and that's 
totally fine. 

536
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,040
So Speaking of junior worlds, we
have that coming up in what, in 

537
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,440
about a couple months. 
Tell us where you're at in that 

538
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,200
planning stage. 
And OK, I don't always 

539
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,240
understand how people got 
invited, right? 

540
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,480
There was an invite list. 
And then at some point, if 

541
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,520
there's spots open, it's open 
then. 

542
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,680
Oh, it's open right now, OK. 
So everybody got their 

543
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,520
invitation. 
Anyone can register now. 

544
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,480
OK, but not people above 18. 
So not anyone, but not. 

545
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,400
Yeah, not quite anyone. 
Yeah, it's open now. 

546
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,200
There's 572 spots, 403 people 
registered. 

547
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,720
We are deep in the planning, 
like the Caddy book is in the 

548
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,600
works. 
The T signs, you know, are in 

549
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,080
the works as well. 
Everything is decided as far as 

550
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,960
layouts. 
So now we're working on 

551
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,080
ancillary events. 
We have a, we have so many 

552
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,360
things planned in the community.
It's awesome. 

553
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,080
So like there's a full event 
schedule on the PDJ Junior 

554
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:03,640
World's website and now I'm just
kind of working on finalizing 

555
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,640
those, getting player packs 
ordered and working on trophies.

556
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,600
So we are definitely, we're 
getting close feeling feeling 

557
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,680
good again. 
I hate feeling good about stuff.

558
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,040
You just I want to be on my 
toes. 

559
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,080
No, I get. 
It they, one of my favorite 

560
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,200
quotes is failing to plan is 
planning to fail. 

561
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,960
So I just anything in life. 
So just want to make sure I 

562
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,520
continue planning and thinking 
about everything. 

563
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,320
I'll start putting in, you know,
orders for porta Johns and stuff

564
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,920
like that. 
So yeah, all that good stuff, 

565
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,680
just in the works and working on
it and then collecting 

566
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,920
sponsorships and donations and 
recruiting volunteers. 

567
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,800
Hey, we'll put a link in the 
description so you can check out

568
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,760
SO. 
A lot, but everything's in the 

569
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,280
works and in motion, OK. 
What would you tell someone that

570
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,200
is on the fence of, you know, 
wanting to come out or if they 

571
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,880
know somebody who they think 
should come out and play in this

572
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,440
event, what would be your invite
to them? 

573
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,640
An invitation to the juniors or 
yeah, I mean, if you're an adult

574
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,640
and you really want to help out,
we will have fun activities and 

575
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,000
volunteering. 
But yeah, if you know junior 

576
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,160
have juniors that want to play, 
I I mean, it's going to be a 

577
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,120
great time in Emporia. 
And Emporia's super welcoming. 

578
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,520
Even if you just want to come 
out and watch and just kind of 

579
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,640
soak it up, I encourage you to 
do so. 

580
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,120
Emporia's a fun getaway. 
We have 27 disc golf courses in 

581
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,120
the 30 mile radius, you know, so
like. 

582
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,920
I've been telling people like 
12. 

583
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,080
I didn't realize it was 27. 
It's crazy just because there's 

584
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,200
so many layouts and there's 9 
hole courses and then you've got

585
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,800
like you've got Cottonwood Falls
so closely and like there's a 

586
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,360
lot of courses I've been going 
too. 

587
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,520
Long, yeah. 
So yeah, even if you just want 

588
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,240
to come out and watch and like, 
soak it up and then, yeah, just,

589
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,640
I mean, if you're feeling brave 
about it too, why not? 

590
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,520
Yeah, what were the dates? 
Remind people of the. 

591
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,040
July 12th through the 19th. 
OK, it is the full week 

592
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,800
competitions, the 15th through 
the 19th. 

593
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,760
Well, Jackie, thank you so much 
for coming on and teaching us 

594
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,200
about running events. 
We appreciate it and we wish you

595
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,400
the best of luck running further
events. 

596
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,200
Thank you. 
And of course, we will have you 

597
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,920
back on from time to time 
talking about events. 

598
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,200
Sounds great. 
We'll see you. 

599
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:23,840
Bye.