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Hello everybody, and welcome to 
this episode of the Disc Golf 

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Answer Man. 
I'm Bobby Cool Daddy's Lick 

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Breeze and this is kind of a 
special, special. 

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Try out a special episode where 
we're going to talk about some 

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offseason. 
But I reached out to a few 

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players on the team Dynamic 
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We have a Facebook Group, A 
private Facebook group where we 

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talk, and I asked and said if 
anybody have anything they want 

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to talk about in the offseason. 
I had these wonderful gentlemen 

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say, yes, I have plenty to talk 
about in the offseason. 

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So I thought, we don't have the 
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tournaments, kind of slow down, 
but we still have some 

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tournaments happening. 
But I thought maybe this might 

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be some helpful information for 
you, our listeners and our 

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watchers to find out, hey, these
are some things that I can do 

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during the offseason. 
Of course, sometimes I get made 

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fun of when I say offseason 
because there is no offseason in

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disc golf, I'm told. 
But I mean, things do kind of 

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slow down. 
So, but just to start us out, 

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let's kind of do a round the 
table and just kind of give me a

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quick introduction of who you 
are and what you do. 

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Tyler, we'll start with you. 
Hey, what's up guys? 

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Tyler Searle from Dynamic Discs 
Tournament director, primarily 

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recreational disc golfer that 
really enjoys beating people a 

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league. 
So I invite you guys to come 

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down anytime and play league 
with me on Wednesday morning to 

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the Pineapple League. 
Whenever I'm at home. 

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You got to wait till I'm home, 
but you guys can go down there 

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and practice and I'll still get 
you when we come home. 

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Nice. 
And Kyle, tell us about 

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yourself. 
Hey y'all, I'm Kyle Giovanni. 

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I've been with Team Dynamic 
Discs since 20/17/2018 quite a 

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while and I'm kind of that right
at that 1000 rated level pro I 

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play, you know, 1020 tournaments
a year have a good time. 

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Didn't have the greatest year 
this year we moved. 

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So still trying to get in the 
trying to get settled here in 

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North Carolina area, but looking
forward to this. 

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I think it should be a good 
time, Bobby. 

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All right. 
And then finally, Brandon. 

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Hey, I'm Brandon Watson, been 
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2017. 
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professional level, had some 
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start designing courses, started
the club run tournaments and do 

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the TDs thing. 
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actually was able to kind of 
jump start my competitiveness 

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again and I was the MA 40 
Wisconsin Tour champion this 

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year. 
Had a lot of success in jumping 

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back into the professional 
rankings in MP40 next year and 

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see how that goes. 
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Nice. 
Well, again, thanks guys for 

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joining the show. 
I know we're going to learn a 

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lot and I know our followers are
going to learn a lot from what 

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you got going on. 
I'm going to start off first 

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because one of the things Kyle 
said in our little Facebook 

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group was that he talks about 
getting back into the gym and 

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working on staying in shape or 
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shape. 
So, Kyle, how important is it 

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for people to understand how if 
they want to get out and they 

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want to do a lot of tournament 
play and they want to be 

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successful, how important it is 
to be healthy and in great 

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shape? 
How? 

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How does that help with this 
someone's disc golf game? 

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I think it's, I think it's one 
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aspects of being an athlete in 
disc golf is the, the, the 

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knowledge, the ability to take 
care of your body, take care of 

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your joints and your muscles, 
your ligaments, your tendons 

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like being flexible, flexibility
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contort your body. 
Especially if you're in like, if

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you're ever in an awkward 
stance, you know how 

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uncomfortable that can be. 
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stance and for whatever reason, 
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I have seen people's rounds end 
when they, they take a bad step 

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off of a shot. 
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the work that you put in 
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I'm just staying limber, but I 
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particular as sort of a kick 
start into approaching next 

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season. 
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year, I look back at 2025 and I 
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try to break it down mentally 
and see where my my physical 

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shape either helped or hurt. 
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what I was doing during those 
times of the year, what level of

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shape I was in. 
And you know, thinking back this

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past year, I really tore up 
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I think my average round rating 
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13 tournaments this year. 
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rating was like 10:30. 
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And then round two I would come 
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two rounds in a day tournaments 
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time event 2 times, you know, 
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Sunday. 
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year. 
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into this offseason is going to 
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So working out in the morning, 
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or hitting the gym or going to 
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hours. 
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getting the opposite workout. 
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workout, get a lift in and do 
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versa. 
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body in the morning and in the 
evening so that when 2026 term 

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of time rolls around, I'm not 
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round. 
I'm not having, you know, built 

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up a lead and then just watch it
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in my energy. 
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Mental stuff isn't quite there. 
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So yeah, like offseason is a 
really good time for personal 

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reflection, how your round went,
how your year went, right, how 

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your body felt throughout the 
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There were times this past year 
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And a lot of that had to do with
my diet, you know, like if I was

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eating very healthy, if I was 
staying consistent with my 

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workouts and with my diet versus
if, you know, it's like July 4th

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time and I have one too many 
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So, so that's, that's one of the
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offseason is the opportunity to 
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prepare, build a, build a 
workout regimen, build a, you 

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know, an offseason field work 
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That's not going to burn me out,
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me up over and over and over 
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The goal being that, like, by 
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up, ready to go, ready to see 
the season. 

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Yeah. 
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into this because you and I have
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physical training and stuff like
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Now, I'm sure people probably 
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kind of let myself go. 
But you Sir, always stay in peak

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shape And I remember the days 
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do your speed disc golf. 
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would you would go to the stop, 
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familiarized with the course or 
just to get your workout and you

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go play some speed golf. 
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about the staying in shape. 
So what do you do as someone 

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that travels a lot to stay in 
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road. 
It's my favorite way to see a 

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course, to learn about the local
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interact with the local disc 
golfers, you know, to be related

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to them. 
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to get that little bit of 
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a touring disc golfer or someone
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drive, I I love getting out of 
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for a nice light jog, throw some
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get some, get some air moving 
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Yeah, just a really great way to
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from my tournament director 
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And then you get that little bit
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Bobby, I thought you were going 
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were in Bowling Green years ago 
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gym at 5:00 in the morning and 
and you were like, you're going 

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to work out. 
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I'm on the road half a year. 
If I, if I skip all these 

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workouts, then I just skipped 
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So I always, I always work out 
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my wife or, or by myself just to
make sure, like Kyle says, I get

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something in like I can like the
clock in our schedules. 

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We become servants to them as 
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I feel like. 
So if you get control of your 

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calendar or your day right away 
first thing, then you know, you 

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got that one, one. 
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recommendation to everybody is 
to take control of your calendar

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or your clock early in the 
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If if gains are part of your 
goal is to really get that, that

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work got in first thing and then
then you know you got one win to

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start the day. 
What about you, Brandon? 

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You got any kind of routine or 
anything that you do to make 

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sure that you're you're in shape
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in the offseason? 
Hot tub, do you freeze up? 

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Yeah. 
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OK, We'll, we'll wait on 
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in. 
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something specific as far as a 
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you're doing specifically for 
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you're ready to go for the next 
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Yeah, so, so disc golf is a a 
very asymmetric movement, right.

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So if you, if you allow 
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train backhand, you can develop 
quite a bit of muscle on certain

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parts of your body. 
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to do those same movements, the 
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So most of us aren't throwing 
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flipping around, throwing left 
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So to, to counterbalance that 
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you have to work out both sides 
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Counterpoint that one of my 
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preparation for disc golf is 
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So like doing one arm dumbbell 
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right, one arm bent over rows is
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lifting workouts you can do for 
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because it really it helps you 
get, you know, a nice deep back,

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nice deep shoulder. 
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correctly, you're pulling kind 
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range of motion. 
So you're really working out the

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back of your shoulder. 
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of your your shoulder, your 
labrum is staying, is staying 

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fit. 
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a lot of heavyweight. 
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maybe, I don't know, people who 
lift weights and disc golf get 

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caught up too much on doing 
heavyweight. 

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You know, we're not moving 
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It's 170 grams worth of plastic.
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lighter weights. 
You don't even need that higher 

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reps you don't might, maybe do 
your set count, have your set 

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count go up. 
But yeah, so like asymmetric 

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workouts are one of my favorite 
things to do when it comes to 

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to, to working out or working 
for, for disc golf, trying to 

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build those muscles. 
We got you back, Brandon. 

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Yeah, I'm back. 
So yeah. 

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What you, what you got, what's 
the input you have on the the 

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training and physical health? 
Yeah, so one of the keys to my 

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success this year, and I think 
it's coming off of a shoulder. 

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I had a labrum surgery on my 
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I had Achilles surgery a few 
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The biggest thing for me was 
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I I would see the chiropractor 
on the Wednesday before every 

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tournament and just getting my 
body in line and it alleviates 

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some of that shoulder and back 
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And doing that as part of my 
regular routine has helped 

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tremendously, not just in disc 
golf, but you know, I sit in the

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desk a lot as a sales Rep and 
you know, it has some wear and 

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tear on your body just doing 
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So chiropractor has been amazing
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The other thing was, you know, 
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climbing up and down steep 
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in Wisconsin, it is up and down 
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rolling hills. 
And it takes some a toll on you 

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physically, which didn't allow 
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I was more worried about 
catching my breath and and 

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trucking through the course. 
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drinking more water, doing a 
little more, you know, swimming,

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doing some biking and doing some
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the cardio going and, and build 
up some more stamina and, and 

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prepare me for those longer 
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courses, because we do have a 
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generally speaking on Wisconsin 
Tour. 

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So I go play some of the big 
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It's it takes its toll and 
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getting younger. 
Yeah, I know what I'm telling. 

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Bobby, that was something I 
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talking about just Wellness and,
and starting seasons and Kyle 

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with strength training. 
A lot of people are, you know, 

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we're, we're on, we're on where 
we're, we're gaining and then 

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we're kind of regressing at 
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Wellness and becoming a, you 
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like you can be intentional with
your diet and the way that you 

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hydrate leading up to the event.
And that'll go a long way, even 

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as you're getting better with 
your strength and your 

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cardiovascular health. 
Like just just take a couple 

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days to make sure you're 
hydrated before that event 

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starts, especially when we get 
in the summer months and that 

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and that dehydration can start 
to become a factor. 

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If you want to feel better, you 
know, treat yourself a little 

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bit better as we get closer. 
Maybe not that Friday night B 

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dubs like we used to do when we 
were younger with the the tall 

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boys and and the fried chicken 
sandwiches. 

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So Speaking of that, Tyler, I 
mean, you've been running event 

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for a long time, so you've seen 
a lot and you've travelled. 

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Have you have you noticed that 
people have taken their health a

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little? 
Not the people who didn't take 

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their health seriously, but I 
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guys would wake up and they'd, I
mean, they had pizza the night 

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before and they stayed up late 
and they, you know, drank and 

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had a good time and then they 
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monster drink. 
And that's what what they took 

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to the course to get ready for a
tournament. 

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I don't think people tend to 
really do that a lot nowadays. 

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But have you noticed any 
difference in people's attitude 

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toward that when it comes to 
tournament? 

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I think certainly on the 
professional disc golf side for 

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sanctioned events, a lot of 
people treat that a lot more 

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seriously than they did years 
ago. 

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Like no one had resistance 
bands, you know, in their part 

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as part of their kit when we 
were getting started. 

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And a lot of athletes will have 
resistance bands and guys, even 

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our weekend warriors, you know, 
that hop out for your local C 

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tiers. 
You're going to see them 

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stretching a lot more now than 
they used to. 

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And I don't know who to give 
that credit to. 

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I'll give Seth a Seth Muncie and
disc golf strong and not for 

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kind of getting the ball rolling
on those lines, but I'm sure 

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Seth would just be happy to hear
about people not being hurt. 

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So, you know, just it's there's 
definitely been a turn towards 

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Wellness overall in the sport, 
which whereas before, yeah, I 

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think it was a better more, more
of a lean towards the cheese 

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curds and the beers over there 
with Brandon. 

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Yeah. 
What's one thing, Kyle, that 

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you're going to work on 
specifically with your throw or 

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maybe with your putt or 
something that you're going to 

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work on in the offseason? 
So specifically for my throw, 

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you know, moving from, I was 
recently, most recently were in 

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the Kansas City area and then 
now I'm in North Carolina. 

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So I went from throwing high 
speed over stable discs on 2/3 

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of the course to I've can move 
through most of the courses that

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I play here with a flippy mid 
range and get all the distance 

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and shapes that I need to. 
So there's a vastly different 

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type of disc golf. 
I have begun to act acclimate 

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like, you know, I think I've 
only got 3 or 4 drivers in the 

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bag now. 
Lot 2 warm mid ranges, 2 more 

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fairway drivers than I have 
carried in years and years. 

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So for me, one of the focuses 
this offseason is we got a 

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couple of decent wooded tracks 
here within a 30 minute drive of

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me. 
And my focus is going to be just

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getting more confident and more 
consistent at hitting angled 

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lines through the woods, right. 
So my back end form is, is good.

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It's clean. 
You know, I throw hard. 

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I throw plenty hard, hard enough
to where I don't need power in 

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the woods here. 
Like you know, most of the most 

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of the par fours at the one 
course we have, it's got par 

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fours I can throw in and jump 
putt right. 

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If I get a good throw off, it's 
it's a throw. 

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It's a full drive and then a 
jump putt to the pin. 

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But that's not what most of the 
holes are here competitively 

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wise, like competitively, you 
know, local B tiers, local C 

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tiers, A tiers, most of the 
holes are between 280 and 350 

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feet and they're about about 
that wide. 

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They're tiny. 
So for me, it's going to be 

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working on. 
I haven't decided. 

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I might go the Eric McCabe route
and just like lean into the 

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Heiser release, really try to 
learn that Corkscrew kind of 

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Heiser stand up release because 
my typical, my natural release 

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angle is very flat after I just 
throw the very, I throw a very 

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flat disc and if I'm on, it's 
really nice. 

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But with that flat release, you 
know, you're trusting a stable 

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disk and if you pull it left to 
right, pull it right, let it go 

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left, it's really easy to miss a
fairway versus like a more under

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stable disk on a steeper angle. 
You're able to kind of get the 

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disk to do some work as it 
stands up. 

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So that's one of the focuses for
me this offseason is just 

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putting more time into slower 
flip your disks on a steeper 

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angle. 
Now, So what about you, Brandon?

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Anything specifically that 
you're working on? 

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Yeah, for the offseason for me, 
it's a few years back, we 

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started indoor putting league at
one of our local bowling alleys.

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They've got a like a Conference 
Center attached to it. 

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And it's been a great way for us
to get the local disc golf 

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community together indoors 
because here in Wisconsin, not 

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all of us play in the snow and 
or enjoy it. 

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So we've been doing that and we 
set up different divisions. 

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We've got our pros putting on 
the marksman basket and then 

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we've got our other divisions 
putting on a veteran basket and 

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just allows us to practice at 
say that 1520253035 foot range. 

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And you know, we've got some 
points you can buy in. 

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We keep an easy system since 
we've implemented that probably 

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5-6 years ago now, that first 
season start in March or April 

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when Wisconsin tour starts. 
That's the best I've ever 

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played, some of the best 
finishes from our local players.

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So we're seeing the results of 
it and it it's once a week we do

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a Monday night and just 
practicing a couple rounds on a 

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Monday night and seeing how much
that improved my game really 

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like got me focused on doing a 
little more frequently even 

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during the season and getting 
the baskets out in the backyard.

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And the thing I've I've found 
for me personally was the 

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marksman basket practicing on 
that. 

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And even when you miss, you're 
like, Oh, you know, mentally I 

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thought I missed and we're about
an actual course. 

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We're playing full size basket. 
Your misses start becoming makes

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and also the confidence starts 
rolling like I I can't miss and 

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you know slowly but surely I 
went from improving in the 

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circle putts to 3040 and even 50
foot putts feel more like 15 

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footers to me. 
So that was really it drove a 

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lot of cutting in my score this 
this last year in the last few 

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years as I just become more 
consistent in longer range putts

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and especially in the in the 
circle, improving the the 

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percentage there. 
So highly, highly recommend 

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starting one or finding a local 
indoor putting league or outdoor

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putting league. 
I know I've done some in Florida

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and other places, some of the 
breweries and and other places, 

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but just. 
Want to touch base? 

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Yeah, let's touch base on that 
because when we head head into 

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the winter months, you know, 
most places they can't go 

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outside because of the weather, 
it's too cold or the snow's 

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coming down. 
But even in other places where 

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it does stay relatively warm, 
our days get a little bit 

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shorter. 
So when you get off work, there 

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isn't much daylight left. 
So a lot of times people will 

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turn to indoor activities to 
make sure they keep disc golf 

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going within their game. 
So Brandon, I know you, like you

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mentioned an indoor putting 
league. 

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Tell me a little bit about how 
that really helps the disc golf 

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community stay active in the 
value that it brings to it. 

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I think, I mean we have a real 
small sighted community here and

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I started our Sheboygan Eagles 
disc Golf Club. 

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So it it allows people we've got
from 5060 plus year olds, we've 

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got kids, we've got everybody 
from, you know, we got males, 

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females, you name it. 
Everybody comes together. 

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We can give advice to each 
other, like we get some new 

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players that they just want to 
get engaged, They want to get 

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connected with the disc golf 
community. 

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And it gives us a chance more 
experienced players to help 

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guide them, show them, you know,
ways to improve their putt. 

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You know, sometimes it's just 
shortening up your putt a little

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bit less body movement so 
there's less room for air and 

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helping them find a Potter that 
works well for them because 

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that's, you know, part of it. 
If you've got a a certain stroke

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or the, the way that you putt, 
but the Potter you have just 

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doesn't fit for it or you're not
confident with it, it doesn't 

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come out clean. 
I can bring my boxes of a 

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variety of putters and here try 
this, try that. 

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So it's good for for that 
aspect. 

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And really we just we have fun. 
They got food, drinks, just hang

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out, catch up with each other 
because it just calls it's a 

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family and like a family family 
reunion every Monday. 

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So really brings us together and
gets us ready for the season. 

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Good time to talk about ideas, 
what we want to do for future 

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tournaments now, anything that 
we want to make changes on the 

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course. 
It's just a time to come 

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together for us. 
Yeah, Tyler, when you're out 

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there out and about, of course 
you, you stay kind of relatively

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in Florida, right? 
This time of year, yeah, for 

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sure. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Do any of the places that you 
work with any organizations do 

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more of indoor putting or is it 
still nice enough to be outside?

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I mean, there are a couple of 
breweries that we'll we'll move 

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inside too if we need to. 
But like, where I'm at right now

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is an outdoor putting league. 
Monday nights in Orlando is an 

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outdoor putting league. 
Yeah, as I think about it, all 

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of the putting leagues I do in 
the winter are outdoor, but it's

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dark. 
It's still dark outside, Bobby, 

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You're right, It's dark. 
So we do have to make sure that 

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we have opportunities to be in 
places that we can get lit up. 

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At least if it's not raining, 
then we can move inside of some 

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of these breweries. 
They have space for us. 

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But I like what Brandon was 
saying. 

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I like the community aspect of a
putting league because when it 

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comes time for the summer to 
roll around, then you've had a 

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winter of being together as 
community. 

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You know who you can rely on 
when the club needs to run those

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events, those B tiers and A 
tiers. 

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So that's kind of your core 
group and it from a practice 

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standpoint, going to putting 
league is, is putting with 

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intentionality where sometimes 
in your back backyard you can go

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get your 50 putts in and your 
100 putts in, but not really 

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remember anything you did, but 
that you got your number. 

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So put that scoreboard up there.
Sometimes will help in a little 

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bit of money on the line if it's
a side better if you guys the 

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league plays for money or 
whatever that however that 

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league works. 
Just that keeping a little 

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scoreboard is is often nice for 
folks. 

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Yeah. 
Kyle, have you participate in 

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any indoor putting leagues and 
what what have you seen that's 

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been successful? 
Well, here in North Carolina, 

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they had a putting league going 
at a like a little, a local 

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pizza parlor outdoor putting 
league. 

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And they did like four or five 
stations between like 30 and 60 

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feet or something like that. 
And I think that kind of slowed 

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down as the summer was going on.
They didn't have a lot of people

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showing up. 
The fella that runs it, I'll be 

446
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,000
getting with him. 
Try to find a venue that maybe 

447
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,000
has an indoor space because 
I've, I've really been lucky in 

448
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,800
the, there been a quite a few 
places where I've lived where we

449
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,600
had a great indoor putting 
league. 

450
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,360
The first indoor putting league 
I ever went to is actually in 

451
00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:04,200
Leesburg, VA, up near where my 
in laws are. 

452
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,760
And that's at like a big local 
craft brewery. 

453
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,040
And they have this really cool 
event space that they let the 

454
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,280
disc golfers use on like a 
random Thursday night. 

455
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,800
It was their slowest night of 
the week. 

456
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,240
And then now it's, you know, the
one of the most lucrative nights

457
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,280
of the week. 
So if you're, if you're looking 

458
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,720
for a venue to partner with you,
you don't like, you can just 

459
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,240
say, Hey, look, I'm going to, 
I'm going to put 35 or 40 guys 

460
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,840
in your bar. 
They're looking to have a good 

461
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,200
time. 
Most bars, most breweries will 

462
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,120
be like like that sounds like a 
great idea this Tuesday. 

463
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,040
Work breweries bars. 
Those are good places to go. 

464
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:37,040
I've also done like done them in
churches like they've got often 

465
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,760
times the churches will have 
like those carpeted like gym 

466
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,760
floor spaces and those make 
wonderful putting venues. 

467
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,080
You can do you can really kind 
of space out some putts. 

468
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,080
The putting league in Kansas 
City actually run by now Nexus 

469
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,400
disc golf. 
So they used to be like the 

470
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,000
Kansas City Disc Golf, Kansas 
City, like Dynamic Disc stores. 

471
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,280
It's the Nexus disc Golf kind of
conglomerate. 

472
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:05,320
Now they're in KC, They run a 
super competitive putting 

473
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,200
league. 
It's like random draw double S. 

474
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:13,560
You walk in and then you do it 
like it's like 25 putts and 

475
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,920
that's your warm up. 
And depending on how many of 

476
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,160
those 25 you make that like sets
you into either an upper or 

477
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,240
lower bracket. 
And then this they have a random

478
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,560
random number generator that 
partners you up one person from 

479
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,600
the higher bracket, one person 
to the lower bracket, and that's

480
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,240
your team for the night. 
And then they just go like kind 

481
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,240
of cornhole style, 3 putts 
apiece. 

482
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,640
And like you make one putts 
worth 1 putt, 1.2 putts is worth

483
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,840
2 points and three putts is 
worth 5 points. 

484
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,280
And they played a 21 that was 
super fun, very competitive. 

485
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,000
That also like it really kind of
you can put yourself on the spot

486
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,640
because it's, you know, you're 
not just putting for yourself, 

487
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,560
you're putting for your buddy to
make his money back too. 

488
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,640
So, yeah, so indoor putting 
leagues, very good way to test 

489
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,720
yourself mentally, right? 
Especially if there's something 

490
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,160
on the line, whether that, you 
know, is like Tyler said is like

491
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,480
a name on a, a name on a 
leaderboard or if it's for, you 

492
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,640
know, 25 bucks at the end of the
night. 

493
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,840
Just having that little bit of 
something to play for I find 

494
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,400
always helps sharpen up putting 
skills when the season comes. 

495
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,720
Yeah, definitely putting 
something on the line always 

496
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,560
makes you play just that little 
bit much better, which is which 

497
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,840
I think is great. 
Another topic that I said we're 

498
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,520
going to talk about that I think
is interesting. 

499
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,440
I know that when like we come 
out with new molds and we want 

500
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,720
you guys to try out the new mold
as team players a lot of times 

501
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,800
not not all the time, but 
sometimes I hear from some 

502
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,240
players are like, you know, I, I
think this is a good disc, but 

503
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,720
I'm, I'm, I don't want to put it
in my bag quite yet because I'm 

504
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,960
really comfortable with my 
especially about in the middle 

505
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,480
of the season. 
You really get used to the discs

506
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,760
that are in your bag and you get
a little nervous about trying 

507
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,440
out a new disc in the middle of 
a tournament. 

508
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,920
So in my mind, I'm thinking the 
offseason is probably a great 

509
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:59,360
time to really test out a disc 
to see if it is a disc to make 

510
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:01,280
it your bag. 
Am I right in thinking that 

511
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,200
brand is this? 
Is this really a good time to do

512
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,760
things like that? 
Yeah, I, I, I'm one of the brave

513
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,840
ones that tends to try stuff 
during the season. 

514
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:15,120
I'll do it during the practice 
round and you know, doing that, 

515
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,280
I fell in love with the treason 
this year, which has been 

516
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:22,120
phenomenal for me. 
There's a few times I've thrown 

517
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:27,240
it and you know, I don't have 
the confidence with it or fully 

518
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,240
know how it's going to fly in 
every condition. 

519
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,240
So maybe not the smartest all 
the time. 

520
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,200
So I think offseason's probably 
a little bit better, but you 

521
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,880
know, I've had some fun shots 
with it. 

522
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:45,160
I think what really deters me is
after all the surgeries, the 

523
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,280
cold weather that starts 
creeping in, I've found myself 

524
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,880
playing a lot less in the 
winter. 

525
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,000
And really I don't start playing
again till March or April and 

526
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,560
that's usually when I'm coming 
down. 

527
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,440
April for dynamic dis open or 
glass blown open without playing

528
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,960
all offseason and expect to do 
well in 40 mile per hour winds. 

529
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:14,480
So that, you know, it's been a 
challenge for me, but it is a 

530
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,080
perfect time, you know, when you
are traveling around because I 

531
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,680
do travel a lot for work to 
bring those discs, a nice casual

532
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,920
round, try some new stuff. 
And I usually bring a limited 

533
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,160
number of discs when I travel 
for business trips. 

534
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,000
So if I'm down South, I'll grab 
a couple discs that I don't 

535
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,240
know, you know, very well, Maybe
they'll fit a spot or, you know,

536
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,840
something that I'm looking to do
just a little bit better or, or 

537
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,520
fly just a little bit 
differently, maybe slightly less

538
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,920
stable, slightly more over 
stable from what's in my bag 

539
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,800
right now and find something 
that's going to fit that spot 

540
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,880
based off of, you know, other 
feedback. 

541
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,680
I know Kyle does a lot of good, 
you know, videos and clips and 

542
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,760
we got a lot of team members 
that go out and test stuff when 

543
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,160
we get them. 
So I'll watch those even for 

544
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,640
myself and see which ones are 
and is going to be a good fit 

545
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,320
for me and and what I'm looking 
for in a new disk. 

546
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,440
Yeah, Kyle, how do you do that? 
Do you, how do you figure out, 

547
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,400
you know, if there's a new one 
you want to try or if there's 

548
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,920
maybe a, a not a new mold, but a
mold that you just hadn't thrown

549
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,800
in a while, you hadn't given a 
chance? 

550
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,880
What kind of your process for 
figuring that out during the 

551
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,080
offseason? 
Yeah. 

552
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,000
So for me, I'm a, I'm a an 
engineer by trade. 

553
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:32,080
So I enjoy like the the concept 
and the execution of like disc 

554
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,000
design. 
I really enjoy throwing discs 

555
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,040
design specifically for the 
shots that I'm throwing. 

556
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:45,600
And what I find now is all of my
under stable discs are stable 

557
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,680
discs or over stable discs that 
have been in my bag for a long 

558
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,440
time. 
So like my go to hyzer flip 

559
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,160
driver in the woods right now is
the prototype Sergeant that we 

560
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,120
got back in 2020, right? 
It's just worked in and worked 

561
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,000
in and worked in. 
And it's my go to about knocked 

562
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,040
over my water. 
It's my go to like hyzer flip 

563
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,120
disk in the woods. 
I've been trusted on a lot of 

564
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,160
different lines. 
I throw a forehand, I throw a 

565
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,240
backhand. 
And every time I throw it, all I

566
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,720
could think is if this disk 
disappears into the nether, I'm 

567
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,080
just, I don't have, I don't have
a disk to replace it. 

568
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,480
I don't have a mold to replace 
it. 

569
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,840
You know, same thing. 
I've got a really beat up 

570
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,040
prototype ring evader that is my
like fairway driver for like 

571
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,320
what if I'm powering down and 
throwing that hyzer flip shot 

572
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,680
through the woods? 
It's with that evader and I 

573
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,200
don't have another evader that 
flies like that. 

574
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,000
They're all either too stable or
they're really under stable. 

575
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,680
Like they've just they've been 
banana or something like that. 

576
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,360
So for me, what I do is I go 
through my bag and I look at 

577
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,480
discs that I threw well this 
year and discs that I didn't 

578
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,760
throw well, discs that I tried 
to force into slots that they're

579
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,760
probably not designed for. 
Like I didn't bag a Felon for a 

580
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,680
long time. 
I just preferred the criminal. 

581
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,000
I throw it forehand, I throw it 
backhand. 

582
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,040
And you know, the the criminal 
to get it to fly the way you 

583
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,320
need to fly, you kind of have 
you have to hit it hard, throw 

584
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,880
it hard, hard, which I like to 
do, but I just didn't. 

585
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,360
I couldn't quite get some of the
forehand lines to execute. 

586
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,920
I just could not execute them 
with the criminal. 

587
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,120
So about halfway through the 
season, I put a felon back in 

588
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,400
the bag as one of those Gavin 
Rathbun, the hybrid X felons, 

589
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,720
super great flat top, nice and 
over stable, but it's a little 

590
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,720
easier to get it to fly than a 
criminal. 

591
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,440
You know, I don't have to 
absolutely murder it to get it 

592
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,360
to to fly some good forehand 
lines. 

593
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,440
So occasionally a disc will make
my bag in the middle of the 

594
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,880
season. 
But now, especially one of the 

595
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,120
quests for this offseason, I 
got, you know, 35 or so new 

596
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,880
discs to to go through with the 
in a new box. 

597
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,360
And it's going to be finding 
stock discs that I can replace 

598
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,080
that Sergeant with that I can 
replace that evader with, you 

599
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,440
know, that I can replace like a 
very recently I've been bagging 

600
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,640
just a really beat up Supreme 
fugitive for my straight mid 

601
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:13,240
range for a long time. 
And it got absolutely warped, 

602
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,240
hit something with it and then 
just did not fly the same. 

603
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,640
So then I've been searching, 
trying to find a disk to fill 

604
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,040
that slot. 
Well, luckily for me, the new 

605
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,520
emac truth, the retooled emac 
Truth came out and it flies 

606
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,720
perfect exactly the way I want 
that that disk slot to fly. 

607
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,920
So that was lucky. 
That was like, oh man, that was 

608
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,400
just instantaneous replacement. 
But that kind of 1011 speed 

609
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,480
slot, I don't know if that needs
to be the escape. 

610
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,080
Most of the escapes that I've 
tested recently are pretty 

611
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:49,160
flippy, maybe in Musket or like,
I don't know, Fortress or 

612
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,880
something like that. 
I don't know what, I don't know 

613
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,240
what's going to be in that slot.
And then for the Evader, I don't

614
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,880
know if it needs to be an 
Explorer or if I just need to 

615
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,080
find the right run of Maverick 
or Stag. 

616
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,080
You know, I don't think I've 
ever actually thrown a Stag, but

617
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,680
I've heard they're good hyzer 
flip kind of straight fairway 

618
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,560
driver. 
So that's going to kind of be 

619
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,560
one of the things that that I do
this offseason is chasing those 

620
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,720
molds that'll fill those slots 
out in the stock spot. 

621
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,480
Well, sounds like a fun video 
series. 

622
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,080
I know, right? 
Hello. 

623
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,000
There you go. 
Yeah. 

624
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,880
Chasing the bag. 
Yeah, Tyler is a reading my 

625
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,040
mind. 
You mentioned something about 

626
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,960
Supreme Fugitive. 
I can't give anything away, but 

627
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,640
you'll be excited about a 
release we have for next year, 

628
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,120
so we'll move on from that. 
Tyler. 

629
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,000
What? 
Tyler, Yeah. 

630
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,720
Tease me like that. 
Tell me a little bit about what 

631
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,920
you see and hear out there when 
you're talking to different 

632
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,480
players. 
Are are the casual 'cause you 

633
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,760
you're you're more the casual 
player that's out there that you

634
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:46,800
talk to more. 
They don't. 

635
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,840
They're not really the touring 
pros, but they're the ones that 

636
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,680
play tournaments still. 
They they're competitive, but 

637
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,520
they still, I get the feeling, 
correct me if I'm wrong, they're

638
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,000
more just I want to have a good 
time on a weekend playing some 

639
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,080
disc golf with my buddies and 
put something on the line, 

640
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,720
right? 
Am I right with that assessment?

641
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,640
Both, but I think they're 
probably the ones that come and 

642
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,960
talk to me, come and run up to 
talk to me because they know 

643
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,360
it's going to bring out fun when
we visit. 

644
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,719
So they they may be a little bit
more casual in in their approach

645
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,239
to their bags still competitive.
I mean, I'm a tournament 

646
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,719
director, right? 
So I'm talking the tournament 

647
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,679
golfers, but maybe with the way 
that I approach the tournament 

648
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:24,960
environment, it's a little bit 
more positive. 

649
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:27,760
I'll say loose, it's not loose. 
We're still sanctioned. 

650
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,800
We're sitting on the rules, but 
we're but we might make fun of 

651
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,239
you on the mic still, you know, 
kind of thing. 

652
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,480
So there's a bit of a there's a 
bit of fun that goes along with 

653
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,960
an event when we're doing them. 
So this time of year, like 

654
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:41,040
despite the fact that we're 
still in a tier season down here

655
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,360
and it's, you know, this is the 
Florida season, we call it, we 

656
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,560
run a trillion events because of
the mindset of the industry. 

657
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,199
This is just the time of year 
that kind of people have to 

658
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,760
think about the resets and what 
they might do. 

659
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,360
Even if we're down here kind of 
in our competitive season, 

660
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,600
people are starting to work, 
work on their bags just because 

661
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,840
the industry tells us that 
that's what we're supposed to 

662
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,960
do, right. 
So we have a ton of touring pros

663
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,600
that are down here that are 
going to influence the way our 

664
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,280
more casual or regional disc 
golfers approach their mindset 

665
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,560
as well. 
So it's still going to be a a 

666
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,360
season to to reset, just given 
the the outside influences on 

667
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,360
us. 
Would you say people are more 

668
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,040
risk averse to trying something 
new, or they're pretty open to 

669
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,960
trying new things when you 
suggest new discs for them to 

670
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,120
get? 
Well, the, the benefit of me and

671
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,880
the RV is we have the test drive
bins, right? 

672
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:35,080
So even given a few rows, you 
know, if you're going to if 

673
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,680
there's a chance, right, or if 
there's just no chance. 

674
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,280
So when, when I'm able to give 
someone a stack of disks, kind 

675
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:47,080
of a long, you know, a 
kaleidoscope, myriad of kind of 

676
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,920
shots and shapes that based on 
what they tell me they think 

677
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,600
their straightest disc is or 
their favorite disc. 

678
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,840
Kind of a question that I like 
to give people to get a feel for

679
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,680
their arm speed and, and the way
that they maybe throw the disc, 

680
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,920
then I can give them five discs.
Go try, if I'm able to watch 

681
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,800
them throw them and then we can 
kind of dial it in to get them 

682
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,560
pointed in the right direction, 
which is great. 

683
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,200
Not everybody has a chance to do
test drives, but we do have 

684
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,240
buyback stores. 
So that kind of gives you a 

685
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,880
little bit of that flexibility 
or you know, if you may be a 

686
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,680
regional retailer or where 
you're play it again, you can 

687
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,880
get a chance to check out a 
buyback or if they're not a 

688
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,680
buyback, just you know, dip into
your buddy's bag and figure out 

689
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,680
what what works for you, you 
know kind of thing. 

690
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,280
What? 
I just had a question popping my

691
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,760
mind 'cause I I'm I'm drawing 
back upon my experience when I 

692
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,120
used to travel quite a bit and 
talk to players. 

693
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:42,160
Are players still willing to try
something new or or or they do 

694
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,280
they stick with their trusted 
mold that they love? 

695
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,160
So I think it depends upon the 
athlete, right? 

696
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:52,880
If if you're a high arm speed 
guy and you can really trust and

697
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,200
and see what other high arm 
speed guys like Kyle knows what 

698
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,880
1030 feels like. 
So he can throw a disc that 1030

699
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,200
players throw. 
Now the rest of the the that 950

700
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,960
and down, they're not, you know,
they're probably not they're 

701
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,480
probably not going to run right 
out and grab AQ line DD3 because

702
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:15,000
Gannon threw it 690 feet at 
USDDC because there's like, I 

703
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,680
can't do it. 
Let me touch it. 

704
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,560
I want to feel it, you know, you
know, now some of them might 

705
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,520
grab it, but I think I think 
more of them are better informed

706
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,280
now. 
They're just not necessarily 

707
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,360
going to grab that 1213 speed 
thing just because it's new and 

708
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,320
fresh. 
They're they just don't they 

709
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,640
can't throw it in some cases. 
So there's more informed thanks 

710
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,280
to guys like you, Bobby and 
Eric. 

711
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,000
All right, we're going to switch
gears a little bit now. 

712
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,280
This is a topic I didn't tell 
you guys about because I wanted 

713
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,080
to get your fresh ideas. 
I didn't want you to have any 

714
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,200
preconceived thoughts about it. 
Let's talk a little bit about 

715
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,440
because this is the time of year
where sponsorship talks happen, 

716
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,000
right? 
And player contracts, According 

717
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,280
to Ulti World, there's out of 64
out of 91 pros have their 

718
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,600
contracts expiring in 2025. 
So I've seen other people talk 

719
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,680
about a little bit, but I wanted
to get y'all's take on it. 

720
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,080
Is this the gold rush era of 
large disc golf sponsorships 

721
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,760
fading? 
Are we, I mean, we, I keep, I 

722
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,320
keep seeing of, of that we're 
not going to see and I I truly 

723
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,040
believe we're not going to see 
the big, big contracts. 

724
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,920
Is that kind of the talks that 
you guys get when you're out in 

725
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:31,360
the disc golf community talking?
What do you, what do you say, 

726
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,680
Brandon? 
I, I mean, I've also seen some 

727
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,800
of the articles and some of the 
names not being able to tour, 

728
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,760
you know, the contracts not 
being what they were with the 

729
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,320
kind of the COVID boom. 
I think that drove up, you know,

730
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,120
drove sales, drove a lot of 
things and not the disc golf 

731
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,280
isn't still growing or isn't 
still doing well, but it's not 

732
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,120
at that same pinnacle that it 
was, you know, during the COVID 

733
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,680
boom. 
So, you know, I, I can certainly

734
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:09,160
see some of the manufacturers 
cutting back, you know, and I 

735
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,880
think it's still, it's more and 
more competitive as we continue 

736
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,600
to move on. 
You've got a lot of fresh faces.

737
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,160
You've got, you know, the young 
talent that's up and coming as I

738
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,320
was one of the course directors 
for US women's Disc golf 

739
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,760
championship and I had the 
juniors. 

740
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,840
That was one of the like coolest
aspects for me to be a part of 

741
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:37,520
and to see like MJ just went pro
this last weekend and to see all

742
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,280
the young talents and how good 
those kids are. 

743
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,800
It's, it's insane. 
Like, so as we see more of them 

744
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,080
coming up, you know, how, how do
you balance contracts and you 

745
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,640
know, the rising stars versus, 
you know, our, our long term, 

746
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,400
you know, touring pros that 
we've had caught at the head of 

747
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,840
head of the sport. 
So I mean, Owen set some some 

748
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,400
amazing benchmarks this year and
it it's just, it's awesome. 

749
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,040
I mean, I'm glad I'm not on a 
touring level. 

750
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,880
And you know, I got to 
contribute to my local community

751
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,480
and do everything that I do. 
And you know, Dynamics been 

752
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,880
amazing supporting me and just 
running tournaments from flex 

753
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,240
starts to bring casual and 
league players to a more 

754
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:29,440
competitive and then bouncing 
that into, you know, I run the 

755
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,240
Wisconsin Tours Pickle Open, 
which is what one of our tours 

756
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:36,880
stops and one of the original. 
So try to cater to everybody at 

757
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,000
every level is what I get to 
focus on and that's what I'll 

758
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:40,960
say. 
I'm glad I don't have to worry 

759
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,280
about contracts. 
Now, Kyle, so you have to 

760
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,600
forgive me, I don't, I like 
what's your schedule like? 

761
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,560
Like do you go out of state or 
out of your region to play 

762
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,720
tournaments or you do more stay 
local as far as tournaments? 

763
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,200
And the reason, the reason, the 
reason I ask you is because like

764
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,320
you're, you're not on the big 
tour scene, right? 

765
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,000
But how does what happens on the
big tour scene as far as this 

766
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,400
type of contracts and thing? 
How does that affect your level 

767
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,760
of play? 
So like I can, I can, I can kind

768
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,520
of speak to my opinion on, on 
why it's happening and what I 

769
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,480
think we're moving towards. 
But on, on what you just said, 

770
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,360
the, the less of those Bangarang
guys that are on tour, the more 

771
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,280
stick around in my local area 
and, and stick around and snatch

772
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,560
up all those B tears and A tears
and stuff like that, which is in

773
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:38,040
my opinion, good. 
I think disc golf should focus 

774
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:44,560
more on regional level tours. 
I think that we got too big for 

775
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,960
our britches too quick. 
And I think it was, I think this

776
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,240
kind of leads into why I think 
we contracts got so big. 

777
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:53,680
And now that they're not, now 
that they're, I don't think it's

778
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,960
like a balloon popping. 
What I think it was is it was a 

779
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:02,080
gamble by both manufacturers and
the pro tour to say, hey, look, 

780
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,200
we've got more money than we're 
probably ever going to see. 

781
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:10,680
We should spend it now with the 
hopes that outside investors 

782
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,480
will see it buy into the Pro 
Tour sponsor. 

783
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,320
The goal, the goal being that 
five year goal, which we're 

784
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,320
hitting now being that maybe we 
will have worlds, you know, the 

785
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,560
winner take home $100,000, 
right? 

786
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,000
And that just didn't happen, 
right? 

787
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,080
That five year goal that I can 
envision like Jeff Spring had 

788
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,960
and be like, hey, look, we're 
going to we're going to put 

789
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,880
money out there dynamic when we 
signed Ricky, we're going to put

790
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,800
money out there, you know, disc 
craft less. 

791
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,440
So I think I think Macbeth is 
making them a good a good chunk 

792
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,240
of change. 
But like all those big 

793
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:47,240
contracts, you know, all those 6
figure contracts came out with 

794
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:51,440
the hope that outside companies 
would see disc golf and all 

795
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,360
those are that's professional 
athletes, 6 figures a year. 

796
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,160
That is that is you're making a 
living. 

797
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,280
You can buy a house and a car 
and have a wife and multiple 

798
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,840
kids and be very comfortable. 
It's a professional athlete and 

799
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,720
I don't think that has happened 
enough. 

800
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,640
You know, I think we have a 
Barbasol works with the disc 

801
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:12,880
golf Pro Tour on some level, but
you know, LL Bean like, but not 

802
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,960
the not the Nike, not the Red 
Bull, not the hey, we're going 

803
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,840
to sponsor the whole tour and 
we're going to give you $10 

804
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,200
million to do with what you 
will. 

805
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,560
I think that was the big the 
gamble and now that the gamble 

806
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,160
hasn't paid off, I don't think 
we've seen the burp, the bubble 

807
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,640
burst. 
But what I think we're seeing is

808
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,960
just going off of where we hoped
we're going to be back down to 

809
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,680
probably even above where we 
would have been have we not 

810
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,640
spent all that money, Have we 
not got all the fresh eyes on on

811
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:41,360
the game? 
But yeah, so like going in the 

812
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,520
future, what I would really like
to see would be more regional 

813
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,000
level stuff because I do stay, 
guys, stay regionally. 

814
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,560
So I'll travel, you know, like 
one state bubble. 

815
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,120
I give myself like a six hour 
driving bubble, wherever that 

816
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,760
gets me to. 
That's about what I can 

817
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,720
comfortably do on like a Friday 
night play Saturday, Sunday, get

818
00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:00,440
back Monday before I got to, you
know, take my daughter to school

819
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,080
in the morning. 
But inside those bubbles, you 

820
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,480
know, those 6 to 8 to 10 hour 
bubbles, that's where I would 

821
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,120
like to see, you know, the pro 
tour, figure out a way to 

822
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,360
sponsor regional tours, kind of 
develop, you know, the way 

823
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,320
baseball has their farm leaks, 
right? 

824
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,080
AA, AAA ball, you know, they're 
the Great Lakes League in the 

825
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,960
northeast, League in the 
Southeast League in Texas and 

826
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,720
you know, the West Coast. 
And I think I think there would 

827
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:31,440
be a great space for those 1090 
to 1030 rated players to cut 

828
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,480
their teeth on a series of eight
years and then for the pro Tour 

829
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,720
to then reward the very top 
level of performers in those 

830
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:41,280
regional events with the 
opportunity to purchase tour 

831
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,840
card and play the the the world 
tour. 

832
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,240
And I don't know where to not 
call it a world tour, but we're 

833
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,040
pretty close. 
I mean, I love all they need is 

834
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,800
an event and you're in a in Asia
that's consistent and they could

835
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,320
call it the world tour again, 
you know? 

836
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,360
I I, I hate I, I like how you 
said, because from the outside, 

837
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,840
before I came back, it, it would
have felt more like a pop of the

838
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,040
bubble, but now it feels more 
like maybe a balloon deflating 

839
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,240
where we're, you know, we're 
getting back to baseline. 

840
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,360
I heard something in an 
industry, the other, some other 

841
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,560
industry talk about recovering 
from the pandemic and they 

842
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,360
mentioned where I feel like 
we're now hitting, we're, we're 

843
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,320
hitting the bottom as low as 
we're going to go of recovering 

844
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,720
from COVID. 
In other words, it's not 

845
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:25,040
terrible numbers, but it, when 
you compare it to the height of 

846
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,200
the, the pandemic, we're, we're 
maybe hitting flat. 

847
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:33,000
But then that's a good thing 
because now we can actually look

848
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,440
at it and, and, and do a better 
comparison because it's hard to 

849
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,840
compare what's happening right 
now compared to what happened 

850
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,200
two or three years ago. 
But perhaps if we compared it to

851
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,960
6-7 years ago, you know, we're 
probably in a, in a, in a better

852
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,840
spot than we were 6-7 years ago.
Now. 

853
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,040
I've heard this from the bike 
industry, from all kinds of 

854
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,160
outdoor industries, the same 
thing we're going through. 

855
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,280
Tyler, from what you see out 
there driving around and and 

856
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,040
running local tournaments, do 
you feel like, do you kind of 

857
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,120
agree with what Kyle's saying as
far as they'll be less people 

858
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,160
wanting have aspirations to go 
on the tour, but rather play 

859
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:15,840
more local tournaments to 
maintain their, I guess maintain

860
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,720
their what I'm trying to say. 
In other words, make money still

861
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:21,320
playing competitively in disc 
golf. 

862
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,520
Yeah, Eric, what we had had this
conversation with him during USD

863
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,080
DC, it's, it's going to go back 
to where the tour was like when 

864
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,760
he was on tour. 
Like, you know, back then, 

865
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,480
you're going to have your core, 
your top 2535 guys that are 

866
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,520
making money week in, week out 
on the tour. 

867
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:41,760
But maybe like Kyle says, when 
we get these guys regionalized 

868
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,920
and they get their local 
courses, we're going to see that

869
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,120
regional guy that just got it 
dialed in and that can come 

870
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,240
scare you have those hot rounds 
on on any given weekend and 

871
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,240
really write some fun storylines
there as well. 

872
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:59,520
So, and like Brandon said, to be
that guy that's 45, probably 40 

873
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,120
to 120 with those tour card 
guys, It's just a tough road to 

874
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,120
hoe, man. 
I I, you know, you guys, you can

875
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,400
be as competitive and as Yuli as
you can be and that you never 

876
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,720
miss. 
But boy, you can't miss or you 

877
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:13,360
don't get paid and that's just 
the way it goes. 

878
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,400
So tough spot. 
I hope some of those kids that 

879
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,120
that are on the up and come, you
don't have that that little bit 

880
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,240
of buffer in place to go chase 
it because we love seeing those 

881
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:23,480
kids get out there and go for 
it. 

882
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,960
That I have all that talent. 
I hate to see that kind of dry 

883
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,480
dry up. 
But to what you said as well, 

884
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,360
body with where think thanks to 
COVID in the in the pandemic 

885
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:38,000
era, production right now on a 
video side is higher than it was

886
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,240
tenfold before the pandemic, 
right body. 

887
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:45,280
So we have so many more 
opportunities to get eyeballs on

888
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,160
the sports. 
Even the fashion project guys, 

889
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,880
the production is so high 
compared to where we were with 

890
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,400
Disc Golf Planet before this all
went down, right? 

891
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,280
So it's it's we're going to have
higher production even on lower 

892
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,400
levels and lower scales and 
regional production, which is 

893
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,200
going to be great long term for 
the sport. 

894
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,400
So I'm excited where the sport's
AT and where it's going. 

895
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,920
They'll be a little bit of 
temporary pain for some of these

896
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,240
guys that thought it was going 
to be a career probably, but 

897
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:14,400
hopefully they can still enjoy 
the sport and help grow the 

898
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,080
sport on regionally and, and, 
and those levels. 

899
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,480
It feels like maybe like a a 
return to what it felt like 

900
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:26,720
before the pandemic as far as 
the grassroots feel and really 

901
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:30,000
having to put in the I mean, I 
have to say I really have to put

902
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,160
in the time and the work because
I know that the players are 

903
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,520
currently they do that. 
They put in the work, but maybe 

904
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,760
it doesn't quite come as easy as
it once as it did during the the

905
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,240
pandemic. 
Would you say that to be true, 

906
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:45,600
Brandon? 
Yeah, I think, I think you're 

907
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:51,440
probably on target with that. 
Yeah, I could see like I could 

908
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:56,440
see like on the on the the 
sponsorship side, right, like on

909
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,360
the money side of the pro game 
going forward, I could see and I

910
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,720
would actually get behind 
companies moving more towards 

911
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:07,160
performance level contracts 
rather than base money. 

912
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,080
Like it used to be. 
When I say performance level 

913
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:15,280
contracts, what I mean is like 
you get on coverage, it's a 

914
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,600
paycheck, right? 
You, you get a top 10, it's a 

915
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,240
paycheck. 
You get a top 20, it's a 

916
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:22,640
paycheck because a lot of people
don't like they don't really 

917
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,480
think about it. 
You don't because you don't see 

918
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:30,400
guys 6 through 25. 
Those guys are so stinking good 

919
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,880
and they played so good that 
weekend, right, to get to get 

920
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,720
that spot. 
And they're not making money 

921
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:38,040
right here, right? 
Like like your top, your top 

922
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,680
four or five guys are making 
decent money. 

923
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:42,920
You know, like if you look at 
the the top earners for this 

924
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,880
year, you know, your top guys 
that were consistently in the 

925
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,920
top 10, they're making decent 
money on tournament ratings, 

926
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,200
right? 
Like, so tournament winnings, 

927
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,120
you know, they're making 50 
grand a year, which, you know, 

928
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,880
if you live in a van, if you're 
smart about which hotels you're 

929
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,760
staying at, you can survive, 
right? 

930
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,240
You can, you can make a living 
out of it. 

931
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:02,880
But what I would like to see is 
manufacturers pull back a bit 

932
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,480
more on the guaranteed money and
say, hey, look, you get a top 25

933
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:12,320
in a pro tour event that's worth
this many dollars period, right?

934
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,680
Whether that's matching winnings
or that's worth a set number, 

935
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,800
you get a top ten, you get a, a 
son coverage, you bring eyeballs

936
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,360
to the brand, however you do it.
We were going to pay you for 

937
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,880
that. 
And I don't know, I don't, I 

938
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,320
haven't read too many modern 
contracts. 

939
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,440
I think that's closer to how 
contracts were 10 years ago. 

940
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,720
Absolutely. 
But I know, like for the past 

941
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:38,760
five years, the focus on 
contract writing has been in 

942
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,680
guaranteed money. 
It's been in, hey, I want this 

943
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,800
amount guaranteed and bonuses 
and I want signature discs and I

944
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,600
think a lot of that stuff is 
going to go away and I would 

945
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,400
like to see it move towards 
performance based bonuses. 

946
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,920
But you have to make this 
performance based bonuses scale.

947
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,280
Like it can't just be get a top 
five. 

948
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,360
It has to be like a get a cash 
period, right? 

949
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,560
Get a top 20, get a top, get a 
top 15, you know. 

950
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,280
So Bobby, yeah, Bobby, I think 
this would be a fun, a fun 

951
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,960
interview question for a future 
show and during the offseason 

952
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,880
where you get some of the older 
guys that had played, you know, 

953
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,200
15 years ago touring and talked 
and get them to talk about their

954
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,000
contracts and how they were 
written back in the day. 

955
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,360
I think it was it was such a 
topic that was taboo back then 

956
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,720
and still is to some extent A 
taboo topic. 

957
00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:29,480
But if you could get them on 
there to, to open up that kind 

958
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,400
of get step behind the curtain a
little bit, so to speak, that'd 

959
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,520
be cool I think for people. 
An interesting way I look at 

960
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,800
this when I talk to players and 
it's always been my way, even 

961
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:45,040
when I've talked to players back
in the day, is that I've and 

962
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,560
maybe you guys should speak on 
it and correct me if you if you 

963
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,760
feel different is, is that it's 
at a value exchange. 

964
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,640
It's a value proposition, right?
What value can you bring to us 

965
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:57,760
the brand? 
And then what? 

966
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,800
But also what value can the 
brand bring to you, you know, as

967
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,000
far as resources and then 
obviously the value comes in, 

968
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,720
you know, either money or credit
or whatever the deal was worked 

969
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:09,600
out. 
But the VAT like you to your 

970
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,880
point, Kyle, as far as like you,
when you get on video or when 

971
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,960
you place, well, that's the 
value we get because we get 

972
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,880
brand recognition. 
And then of course, we help you 

973
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,200
stay out on the road, however 
that is financially or we help 

974
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,440
you have a better presence on 
social media. 

975
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,440
So it's always, to me, it's a 
value exchange. 

976
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,120
And sometimes I think people 
either don't think about it that

977
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,680
way or they forget. 
They just think it's all about 

978
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,280
what can you give me, but it's 
more about what can we give each

979
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,800
other. 
It has to be a two way St. has 

980
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,520
to be a two way St. 
I've had, I've had so many, you 

981
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,840
know, youngsters come up to me 
and be like, hey, how can I get 

982
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,560
on dynamic Discs? 
And this is what I'm looking for

983
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,800
in a sponsorship. 
And I'm like, you need to take 

984
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,240
two steps back and drive this 
for a moment, right? 

985
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,560
So it's like like, buddy, you 
have 1B tier win and it was at a

986
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,280
local course where you know, you
shot 985 to get the way. 

987
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,480
So let's let's take a couple 
steps back. 

988
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,800
Think about what do you bring 
into the brand, right? 

989
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,440
Do you have 10,000 followers on 
Twitter? 

990
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,400
I don't know what it, whatever 
the social media, you know, cool

991
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,160
thing is, do you put out 
constant video coverage that we 

992
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,760
can bring, you know, like like 
that, that we could send a body 

993
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,280
and he can put it up on the, 
the, the dynamic side. 

994
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,880
Are you highlighting our discs 
already or is that something 

995
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,360
you're only going to do if we 
give you a dotted line to sign? 

996
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,080
And a lot of people, especially 
that 16 to 20 year old range 

997
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,440
before they really enter the 
industry, they don't, they don't

998
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,800
understand that it has to be a 2
history. 

999
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,080
There has to be give and take. 
There has to be yes, you're 

1000
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,280
giving us you're supporting us 
in whatever way that might be at

1001
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,360
whatever level it might be. 
But the the flip side is that, 

1002
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:49,680
hey, you know, like I put 100 
discs in kids hands a year, 

1003
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,120
right? 
So 100 kids a year, their first 

1004
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,880
disc is a little, you know, 
prime truth, you know, like that

1005
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,800
that is value added back to 
dynamic because when they go to 

1006
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,240
Walmart or or Walmart here has a
has a dynamic section. 

1007
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,920
Awesome. 
I go there all the time and I 

1008
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,440
like, I feel up the little 
lucidized orbit Mavericks. 

1009
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,000
They feel great, but they go to 
Walmart with their mom and 

1010
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,240
they're like, Hey, there's a 
disc golf section. 

1011
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:17,760
It's the same company that that 
guy gave me, right? 

1012
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,720
That's that's value added. 
And it's tough to get eyeballs 

1013
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:25,720
on that value, right when you're
when you're doing contract 

1014
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:28,400
negotiations, right? 
Because it's not like there's 

1015
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,920
not a paper trail, there's not a
digital trail that says you 

1016
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,320
brought X amount to the company 
because that's what we can see. 

1017
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,560
So that's one of the things like
as a, as a player, you have to 

1018
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,280
both like own that and be able 
to articulate that to a 

1019
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,680
perspective sponsored. 
Like this is what I can bring to

1020
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,920
your brand. 
A lot of kids, a lot of kids 

1021
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,760
just don't think about. 
A lot of people just don't think

1022
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,520
about it that way. 
But that is, you're right. 

1023
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,840
That is 100% how it has to be 
thought about. 

1024
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:58,560
One last one last question or 
Brandon, do you have something? 

1025
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,800
We're just going to build up, 
you know, me coming from, you 

1026
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,680
know, a sales and business 
background and and that's what I

1027
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,320
do for my career, you know, 
constantly working with 

1028
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,200
business. 
My family had a business that's 

1029
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,760
100%. 
And you know, when we contracts 

1030
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:19,680
aren't, you know, aren't renewed
or players are added removed, 

1031
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,720
fans are just looking at, Hey, I
like that player. 

1032
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:28,200
They're not looking at that 
player costs X amount of dollars

1033
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,920
and hasn't produced, you know, 
1/3 of that or a fraction of 

1034
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,560
what we're paying out to get 
that. 

1035
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,840
And I think, you know, in a lot 
of conversations I have with 

1036
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,520
folks, you know, because there's
some big names that have moved 

1037
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:46,480
around different places, what 
you got to look at is there 

1038
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,120
value doesn't make sense as a 
business. 

1039
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,920
I mean, we, we can't just throw 
money around, you know, in our 

1040
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,960
personal businesses and the 
companies we work for. 

1041
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,320
Disc golf's no different. 
At the end of the day, it is a 

1042
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,000
business dynamics always. 
You know, we've had that family 

1043
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,600
feel and you know, it's hard to 
lose a brother, a sister, a 

1044
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,920
cousin, whatever we want to call
that family member. 

1045
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,360
But ultimately, you know, we do 
have to remember this. 

1046
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,920
This is a business, so. 
Yeah, well, just two weeks ago. 

1047
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,480
Yeah, two weeks ago. 
OK, Tyler. 

1048
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,080
On Ulti World, Bob Julio did his
interview and he said the exact 

1049
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,800
same thing there. 
It's there's a return on 

1050
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,320
investment. 
So it's, it's across the board. 

1051
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:29,600
All the manufacturers are 
looking at it. 

1052
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,040
It's a business. 
Yeah. 

1053
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,800
All right. 
One last question before we wrap

1054
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,760
things up. 
I'll give you guys a little bit 

1055
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,880
of time to think about it. 
But I want you to think of 

1056
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,440
what's the, what's 1 big thing 
that you think and maybe there 

1057
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:42,800
won't be. 
Do you think there will be a 

1058
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,880
shake up happening, whether it 
comes to sponsorship or just 

1059
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,920
something happening within the 
disc golf world, maybe some 

1060
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,880
rumors you've heard some what 
are the scuttlebutt that we used

1061
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,440
to call it that you've heard 
that you think we'll do a shake 

1062
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,240
up in 2025 or at least leading 
into 2026? 

1063
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,760
For me, I think it's going to 
and I might steal somebody, but 

1064
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,320
I I don't know exactly who it's 
going to be, but I think there's

1065
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,080
going to be more people that are
going to say I can't. 

1066
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,600
Like James Proctor, of course 
his was kind of planned out. 

1067
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,440
He said two years. 
Same with Ben was five years, 

1068
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:17,720
I'm going to five years and I'm 
out. 

1069
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,560
I think there's going to be some
other big or well, then we had 

1070
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:24,120
Kristen Lott who decided to step
away for a little bit. 

1071
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:30,000
But I think there's going to be 
some, some more bigger names or 

1072
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,040
some well known names are going 
to have to, for whatever reason,

1073
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,840
are going to have decide to step
away. 

1074
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:39,000
And I, I don't know that that's 
going to be a good thing for 

1075
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,000
disc golf because people are 
going, the whole thing was like,

1076
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,960
we want to be able to support 
these players on the road, but 

1077
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,880
the infrastructure right now 
that we just aren't able to 

1078
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,520
handle that. 
And I think some people are 

1079
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,320
going to decide they can't go on
any longer. 

1080
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,400
And it's going to make people 
think disc golf is going away. 

1081
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,000
What's not going to go away? 
But I think that's what's going 

1082
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:58,960
to happen. 
What about you guys? 

1083
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,320
What, what do you have it? 
Who? 

1084
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,120
Who has one off the top of their
head? 

1085
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,280
My one big thing is we're going 
to see multiple regional winners

1086
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,520
this year on on the on the tour.
Like it's just going to happen 

1087
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,560
there. 
There's only going to be, you 

1088
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,480
know, like Kyle said, we see 
those, those top one through 12 

1089
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,800
guys for kind of cycling in and 
out of those leading chase card.

1090
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,560
But we're going to have we're 
going to have a couple this 

1091
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,040
year, guys that are your Texas 
guy, like, you know, in the old 

1092
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,480
days, your mouse seaboards and, 
and guys that are regional that 

1093
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,720
are going to sneak in there and,
and really 'cause some trouble 

1094
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,520
for these guys. 
Look out for New Orleans. 

1095
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,960
We'll see if some of these 
Southern kids can sneak over 

1096
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,680
there and do some damage in New 
Orleans. 

1097
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,640
Yeah, kind of kind of 
piggybacking off of that, you 

1098
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,640
know, I, I've fairly close with 
quite a few young and kids that 

1099
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are in college disc golf. 
College disc golf is getting 

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00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:01,960
more and more and more popular 
as a viewing experience. 

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00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:07,080
I do think that it offers 
something that standard disc 

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golf does not, right. 
So like you know, week in, week 

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00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:15,000
out watching singles all the 
time exclusively and then you go

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00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,360
and you watch a a college disc 
golf event. 

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00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,440
It's like a team A-Team based 
event. 

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00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,960
Yes, there are individual stuff,
but the the funnest rounds for 

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00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,160
me to watch are where it's like 
it's a four man team and you're 

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00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,680
playing a pair of double S and 
you guys flip flop playing 

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alternate shots. 
It's a lot of fun to watch. 

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00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:34,360
And I don't know if it will 
happen, but what I would love to

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00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:40,640
see happen would be college 
level disc golf featured on Disc

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00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,200
Golf Network, featured on a Joe 
Mez pro production, right? 

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00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,760
Because right now that's where 
the eyeballs are in our game. 

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00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,480
If it's not on Joe Mez, if it's 
not on Disc Golf Network, a lot 

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00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,360
of people don't watch it. 
They don't, they don't watch a 

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00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,360
lot of gatekeeper anymore. 
They don't watch a lot of 

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00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,800
Central Coast anymore on the on 
the national scale, global skip,

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00:59:58,880 --> 00:59:59,960
right? 
Regional guys. 

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00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:01,840
Like you're always going to 
watch your buddy play. 

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01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,800
You know that that, that 1A tier
that gatekeeper media showed up 

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01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,480
to and filmed or that Central 
Coast showed up to and filmed or

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01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,160
whoever. 
Like they're a bunch of 

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01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:10,360
different little small 
companies. 

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01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,200
And that right there, that's 
where you see the the collegiate

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01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,800
disc golf being being like 
highlighted. 

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01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,320
I would love to see Disc Golf 
Network, Disc Golf Pro Tour 

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01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,520
Jomez figure out a way to film 
college nationals. 

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01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,840
I think that would be awesome. 
And I think it would incentivize

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01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,120
more universities to look at 
disc golf as an opportunity for 

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01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:38,400
student athletes, right? 
I like that one, that's a good 

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01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,000
one. 
Yeah, that's good. 

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01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:44,480
What about you, Brandon? 
I like what Kyle went with, you 

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01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,400
know, thinking back to, you 
know, my first junior worlds in 

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01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:52,440
Emporia, KS with my son and he 
was playing against Wyatt 

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01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,040
Mahoney and he is playing 
against Miles Sayer. 

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01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,280
And he and these guys are 
playing at a professional level 

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01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,600
and having success at it. 
And Carter, Aaron's who I met, 

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01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,240
you know, back in 2018 and, and 
Gannon was, you know, just a 

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01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:10,520
junior back then and seeing, you
know, Carter and the Emporia 

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01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,080
State team and you know, I, I 
met some of those guys too at GB

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01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:18,680
ODDO and it's that is the 
future. 

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01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:23,680
It's cool to see, you know, how 
those juniors, they're 

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01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,480
phenomenal players. 
They were good back then, but 

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01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:30,240
now they're winning at a 
professional level, you know, 

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01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:35,160
and podium finishes and see more
coverage of that. 

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01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:41,920
And maybe we're going to have 
university and club support and 

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01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:47,040
another Ave. to get more eyes on
the sport, to see the future 

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01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:51,280
growing. 
And just another way to expose, 

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01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,920
you know, the same way we have 
high school, then college and 

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01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,360
then professional basketball, 
baseball, football, everything 

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01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:06,640
else, you can see, you know, see
an opportunity for growth there.

1152
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,040
And I think that was a good 
point, Kyle. 

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01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,640
I like that. 
Yeah, I like that. 

1154
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,160
In fact, in Emporia this weekend
is the, I keep calling it the 

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01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,320
mark, but I believe it's the Mid
America Regional Championship. 

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01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,240
And at last, last I knew they 
had 151 players. 

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01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,040
I don't know if there was going 
to be more than that, but last 

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01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,680
night either 151 college 
students going to show up on in 

1159
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,640
Emporia and play a little disc 
golf. 

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01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,760
Unfortunately, I have some other
things that happened that I 

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01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,280
can't be there to kind of be 
part of that. 

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01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,920
But I know Eric and Jackie and 
all the crew out there will be 

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01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,200
running a successful event. 
So definitely. 

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01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,120
So it is going to be interesting
to see as things happen. 

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01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,280
I know it's good. 
This is again, this is the time 

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01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,320
of year that when players and 
contracts happen and I know even

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01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,360
us, we are planning for 2026 and
you know, we've got some big 

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01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,080
things happening. 
So I know this is going to we're

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01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,920
going to start hearing different
things out on in disc golf news.

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01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,080
So it's going to be exciting to 
hear, gentlemen, thank you so 

1171
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,480
much for being on the show and 
giving us your insights and 

1172
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,440
teaching us a little bit about 
what you got going on. 

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01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,920
I appreciate it. 
Tyler, I know people can reach 

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01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,160
out to you on Facebook or they 
can work and they go to fight, 

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01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,200
figure out to where to play a 
tournament in your area. 

1176
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,600
Yeah, Disc golf scene, you 
follow me there on disc golf 

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01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,960
scene, you'll get notifications 
of all the events we're running.

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01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,360
It is. 
I just sanctioned 13 events, 14 

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01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,440
events this morning, so plenty 
to going on. 

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01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:26,720
That's just gets me through 
February. 

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01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,720
That gets me from January to 
February, so plenty plenty going

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01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,800
on. 
And you, Kyle, where can people 

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01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,840
follow you to find out more what
you got going on when you're 

1184
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:38,120
getting that pump in the gym? 
I just, I, I'm terrible about 

1185
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,760
social media stuff, but you can 
find, you can find me, you can 

1186
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,760
find me on Facebook. 
I'll post stuff on Facebook 

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01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:47,240
typically a couple times a month
to to follow on with my 

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01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,240
offseason stuff. 
And then Instagram. 

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01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:51,920
I tried doing stuff every now 
and again. 

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01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:57,400
I think it's Kyle under score G 
under score Geo is where you can

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01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,200
find me on Instagram. 
And then I've I have been 

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01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:05,200
collecting a whole bunch of 
video stuff and disc review 

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01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,000
stuff throughout the year. 
My wife got me a camcorder last 

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01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,640
Christmas and so I've spent a 
whole year kind of filling SD 

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01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:14,280
cards and this offseason I've 
kind of told myself that I need 

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01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,120
to figure out how to do video 
editing. 

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01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,680
So watch out for my YouTube 
channel. 

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01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,120
I think it's it's something 
goofy like Kyle Juvenity 7200 or

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01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,360
something like that on YouTube. 
I got to figure out how to. 

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01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:26,840
Rename a channel. 
Or something. 

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01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,000
Or start a new channel. 
I don't know, but Kyle Giovanni 

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01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,440
on Facebook is the easiest way 
to get in. 

1203
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,720
Touch OK Kyle, I don't I don't 
mean to pick on you, but I'm 

1204
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:37,680
going to when you said I think I
have an Instagram and I think 

1205
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,840
this is what it is how old are 
you I'm. 3830. 

1206
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:43,440
Eight, you're not that old and 
not being. 

1207
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,560
I have an Instagram I just I. 
And then my own. 

1208
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,600
Instagram handle is. 
I don't have it off top of my 

1209
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:50,920
head. 
Facebook's easy because it's 

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01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:52,920
just my name you. 
Know I'm just messing with you, 

1211
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,280
but I did, I did have to kind of
laugh under my breath whenever 

1212
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,080
you said you called it Twitter 
because it has been called 

1213
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,600
Twitter in in a couple years so.
X Whatever. 

1214
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,200
I'm picking on you. 
I'm picking on, you know, 

1215
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,280
Brandon, I know because I've 
seen your posts. 

1216
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,440
I know you're, you're, you're 
active on what's going on in 

1217
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:10,960
your life. 
So tell us a little bit about 

1218
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,240
how people can follow your 
journey. 

1219
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,080
Yeah, on Facebook it's Brandon 
Ray Watson. 

1220
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:22,880
Instagram is BRW 33114, my PDGA 
number and then disc golf scene 

1221
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,320
where I run a lot of events. 
I've got 1 coming up. 

1222
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,640
I just ran one Halloween weekend
right here in October at Rd. 

1223
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,640
America, which is the world 
famous racetrack, and I do that 

1224
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,680
every October. 
Were you to play disc golf on an

1225
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:41,200
18 hole permanent course with 
cars racing on the track feet 

1226
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,360
away from the basket or tee pad,
which it's a pretty cool 

1227
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,280
experience. 
I've been doing it for several 

1228
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,000
years, had the privilege of 
designing that course. 

1229
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:56,680
We do another one in the end of 
January, which is usually a foot

1230
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,960
of snow. 
So it's the same course. 

1231
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,320
We don't have any cars on the 
track, but we've been doing the 

1232
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,400
Schnee days, which is part of 
the local chamber. 

1233
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,920
They do like bites on the lake. 
They do a chili, a pub crawl, 

1234
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:14,000
all sorts of stuff. 
And we had a disc golf several 

1235
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,320
years ago to that mix, which 
usually has a pretty good turn 

1236
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,880
out. 
But yeah, I, I run events 

1237
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,480
throughout the year, some local 
stuff, usually get a couple in 

1238
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:29,360
with Tyler whenever he's 
swinging through for Silver Cup 

1239
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:33,440
and some of our other events. 
So yeah, we, we, we had a fun 

1240
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:37,600
one this year at a private 
course, which we worked with a 

1241
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,160
local, local brewery. 
We got to set up shop there, run

1242
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,680
over to a private course, play 
some rounds and it's always fun 

1243
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:46,800
just to throw together some cool
stuff. 

1244
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,760
Disc golf fun. 
Remember guys, disc golf is fun.

1245
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,720
Yes, disc golf. 
Is fun. 

1246
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,200
Get out there and play disc 
golf. 

1247
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:54,720
Absolutely. 
All right. 

1248
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,360
Thanks again, gentlemen. 
I appreciate your time. 

1249
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:58,040
Thank you guys.