1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,960 Hey everybody, welcome to this episode of the Disc Golf Fans, 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,080 man. I'm Bobby Cool Daddy, Slick 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,360 Breeze. And on this episode I have with 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,160 me Andrew Manganelli. I said that right? 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:15,240 Correct. You said that. 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:16,480 Great. Awesome. 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,240 Nice. I was kind of practicing. 8 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:20,080 I actually looked it up. How do you say this name? 9 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:23,680 And so I kind of cheated. But anyway, so it's good to have 10 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,640 you on the show. So just to introduce people a 11 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,000 little bit my, the context around why I have you on the 12 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,120 show is when I first got back to Dynamic disks, I took a deep 13 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,680 dive into social media and I was watching all kinds of different 14 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,600 social media content creators. She didn't want to get the vibe 15 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,600 of what was going on as far as content creation and, and you 16 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,280 had reached out and you had caught one of my live streams 17 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,040 and said, Hey, I have noticed you're watching a lot of talking 18 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,680 about disc golf content creation. 19 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,640 I started a group or with that's all we talked about and I'm 20 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,320 like, I'm in. Please let me in because I want 21 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:55,320 to soak it up. I am deaf. 22 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,560 I like to call myself a student of the game, so that's kind of 23 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,680 got how I got introduced. And then you told me you were 24 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,280 like, yeah, I work in our YouTube channel called M KB HD 25 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,800 and I was like, holy moly, yeah, let's be friends, let's talk. 26 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,880 I want to learn. So if you don't know M KB HDI 27 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,560 think it's around what are where you guys at? 28 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,480 Oh, 20 million or? The main channels at 20 million, 29 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:17,680 yeah. 20 million, of course, yeah. 30 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,760 And then you have the way Waveform podcast, which you 31 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,520 started got going and that's kind of a laid back just kind of 32 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,680 talking whatever's trending and topical about tech. 33 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:29,840 For sure. It's more like conversation 34 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,480 based. If you know a YouTube video is 35 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,200 usually like 10 to 15 minutes. We're hitting like 2 hour 36 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,040 episodes now. So it's like more unfiltered get 37 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,680 to just talk about everything and not have to be precise. 38 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Nice. I love it so. 39 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:44,840 So that's how I got introduced to Andrew. 40 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,960 Andrew, please let us know. Let us know a little bit about, 41 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,840 I like to say, your disc golf story. 42 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,560 Now, I know you were one of the first employees, if not the 43 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,000 first employee to MKBHD. You knew Marquez through 44 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,680 ultimate Frisbee. So kind of take us through the 45 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,040 journey of all that and how you got into disc golf. 46 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,480 I think that's, yeah, that's how I kind of started as I played 47 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,120 probably like 10 years of ultimate with Marquez, not the 48 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,639 whole time with Marquez, but we played a lot together. 49 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,440 I wound up working here while we were still playing together. 50 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,400 Then I had my 4th ACL surgery I think it was. 51 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,360 So I had a rough go of things when it came to injuries. 52 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,480 And then I always joke that ultimate players retired to 53 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,320 either rock climbing or disc golf. 54 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,400 I did rock climbing 1st and then eventually started playing disc 55 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:33,920 golf. A lot of my old ultimate friends 56 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:35,680 played it and they were very good at it already. 57 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:41,560 So maybe I'm like 2 1/2 years in, but I joked before when we 58 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,920 were in the like right before we started recording that my, my 59 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,880 hobby is hobbies. When I get into a hobby, I go 60 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,480 deep into it and I always know I'm really into that hobby when 61 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,000 I start watching YouTube videos about it because I really think 62 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,760 in everything I've ever been like really into, I think that 63 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,200 one of the best ways to learn is is to watch as much as possible. 64 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,920 So whether it's a video game, whether it's was ultimate 65 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:07,360 frisbee, whether it was rock climbing, I watched so much 66 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,480 content because when it's the time that I'm at home and I 67 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,000 can't be doing the thing, especially I have a 2 year old 68 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,080 right now, I don't get as much time to go out and play. 69 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,000 But boy do I watch and try and learn as much as I can when I'm 70 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,880 not able to play. So, so now I'm into disc golf. 71 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,840 I'm really into disc golf content. 72 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,600 I've reached out to a lot of different creators because I, I 73 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,880 really, you know, selfishly, I want as much content as 74 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,880 possible. So like if I can help people 75 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,360 out, that means more content is being made for me. 76 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,680 But but ultimately to grow a sport, I think YouTube is just, 77 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,720 it's the number 2 search engine in the world other than Google 78 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,360 who owns it anyways. So if you can get things 79 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,800 tracking on YouTube, the the chances of people finding 80 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,680 something and maybe loving the sport like we all do, I think is 81 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,200 one of the best ways that we could really grow everything. 82 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,480 So what was kind of your first impression when you started 83 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,160 taking a dive into disc golf and you're like, I want to consume 84 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:03,040 content. Was it? 85 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,840 Did you learn more toward the tournament stuff or more toward 86 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,480 lifestyle type stuff? You know, that's a really good 87 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,080 question. My, my first. 88 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,520 So when you, when you like to dive into things way too hard, 89 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,440 there's always that reluctancy in the beginning. 90 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,959 Like I, I, I played with some friends and I was like, the 91 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:24,360 minute I buy a disc, it's over. And I kind of knew that point 92 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,480 came when a couple J Millie shorts were showing up in my 93 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,280 feed and I just kept seeing I was like, oh man, that was 94 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:35,560 really fun when I played. And then, you know, being a dumb 95 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,920 early on disc golfer, Amazon couple discs, I didn't 96 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,000 understand why it was so weird to buy an Amazon. 97 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,760 And now I understand why it's so much better to buy from 98 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,400 everywhere else. But once I bought those discs, 99 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,280 then it was like, OK, let's find the channel. 100 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:53,400 So J Millie to start, you find foundation immediately. 101 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:54,920 I think everyone can agree with that. 102 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,800 And then yes, some Jomez. They're obviously like one of 103 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,800 the bigger ones. I'm ultra competitive. 104 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,560 I am when it came to ultimate, I mean, before I even played on 105 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,600 the team, I was like, I want to be good at this. 106 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,280 I'm going to start trying to get as good at this as possible. 107 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:12,880 And as much as it's fun to me, competitiveness is fun as well. 108 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,480 So I wanted to get good really fast. 109 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,640 So yeah, watching pros play, even though that's probably not 110 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,080 the best way to learn when you're first starting because 111 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,880 pros look like they're doing nothing and throwing 500 feet. 112 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,160 So yeah, a mix of both. But I find myself now way, way, 113 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,120 way more watching the the content creator, disc golfers, 114 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,640 the but dances, the broad Ricks, you know, all of them more so 115 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,840 than pro coverage. I'll watch some pro coverage 116 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:41,440 highlights just to see what's going on, but. 117 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,760 Yeah, that's what I'm finding is that it seems like like the pro 118 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,280 coverage has its particular audience, like people want to 119 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:52,760 watch the top pros play. And yeah, when we first started 120 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,440 the disc golf Fancy man, that was one of the things we wanted 121 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,440 to address was, yes, it's fun watching those guys throw super 122 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,640 far, but the equipment or the discs they're using is it's not 123 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,440 something that you're going to enjoy, right? 124 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,160 You're not going to get the same distance out of it. 125 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,640 So we wanted to make sure that people knew we were, we were 126 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,880 there to answer the questions about that. 127 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,600 And then when I took a deep, I came back, you know, it was, I 128 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,480 took like a, well, I was doing class disc, but I took like a 129 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,160 four year break from Dynamic discs. 130 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,480 When I came back, I noticed there was a lot more on the on 131 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,920 the disc golf creator rather than the pro players making 132 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,760 content. And so why do you think that is? 133 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,160 Why do you think it? It isn't? 134 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,480 In my mind, it's like a natural, natural evolution of disc golf 135 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,720 in the content creator world. In other words, it was happening 136 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,400 in other niches and other spaces, but it feels like disc 137 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,280 golf caught was just catching up. 138 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:49,600 Is that true? True to think that way? 139 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,440 It's interesting. So one thing, you know, being in 140 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,200 the disc golf scene now, I see a lot of people complain about, 141 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,080 you know, where disc golf is. We're not that big of a sport. 142 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:00,760 We're too niche. But coming from the ultimate 143 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:05,280 world, disc golf is like light years ahead of what we all did 144 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:07,240 in ultimate. I mean, there's a pro league and 145 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,520 ultimate, but it's really low key. 146 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,560 There's not a lot of sponsors because in ultimate you have one 147 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,080 disc and a whole team. Two teams play with it at the 148 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,720 same time. The amount of money there can be 149 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,880 inside of disc golf for each player having 15 to 20 discs. 150 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,440 And if you're like me, you watch way too much content and just 151 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,920 keep buying ones to the point where I can't even throw all of 152 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,800 them anymore, but I still enjoy doing it. 153 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,600 There's definitely more money in disc golf, even if we, you know, 154 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,640 might compare ourselves to regular golf now. 155 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,880 And it feels like nothing. But like, if you really look at 156 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,400 in the grand scheme of things, I think disc golf is in a a cool 157 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,920 spot. But I do think a big reason, and 158 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,560 this is a huge gripe I have that, you know, I don't know the 159 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:55,080 insides with of why it happens, but it's really hard to watch 160 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,080 pro coverage other than, you know, go throw OTB skins, which 161 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,440 is like pros playing, but not the coverage or maybe a live 162 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,680 first round, the DGN subscription and is going to 163 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,360 stall so many people from getting into the pro scene. 164 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,120 So they're really the content that's accessible is the content 165 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:18,040 that is from the creators. And that's what I can, you know, 166 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,280 I tell this to everyone that I talked to in the creator world 167 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,280 is the subscription button is cool and all, but it just 168 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,560 doesn't mean what it used to the recommendations and your home 169 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,120 page is what matters right now. And like the people that are 170 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,640 showing up on there are the J Millies are the bonanzas are the 171 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,120 foundations. And that's what's, you know, 172 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,559 when you're showing up there, that's who's getting the eyes. 173 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,680 And that's not what the pro Tour is doing right now. 174 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,120 You know, there's so much money. Also, I ramble a lot, so please 175 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,280 cut me off whenever. But like, there's so much money 176 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,880 that probably has to be dealt with DGN and all that stuff and 177 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,720 being able to play it for free. But I really think somehow they 178 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,320 need to figure out how to get pretty much all of the coverage 179 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,880 live on YouTube because it's just how you're going to get 180 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,160 more eyes to it and it's how it's going to grow eventually. 181 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,280 Yeah, 'cause back in the day, like I remember early, maybe 6-7 182 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,480 years ago, I can't remember exactly, but like we pushed 183 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,240 really hard, Dynamic Discs worked with a disc approach or 184 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,520 to get on CBS Sports, right? And we thought that was going to 185 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,400 make, you know, that was a lot of people think it was that that 186 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,080 was going to help right get on CBS Sports and that was going to 187 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,840 give us more exposure was that I'm, I believe it did. 188 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,760 But there was still a part of me that the content creator guy in 189 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,040 me was like, man, all that money we paid to do that. 190 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:41,680 Do you know how much content I could have created? 191 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:44,080 You know what I could have done? You know how many different 192 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,400 content creators I could have worked with and, and, you know, 193 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:51,280 partner with them to create content that I feel like now I 194 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,000 can't. You can't even find the CBS 195 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,920 Sports coverage, I don't think. Maybe if you did a real deep 196 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,000 dive on Google, you might be able to find it, but you can 197 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,480 still find some of our, I mean, like, even when I look at our 198 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,200 YouTube analytics, there's still people watching tutorials that 199 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,920 we put out sick 8910 years ago. So it's still out there. 200 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,080 So I, I, I agree with you as far as where the media needs to be. 201 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,000 And that's, that's definitely on the Youtubes and the Instagrams 202 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,000 and all those places for sure. Excuse me? 203 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:23,480 So actually I wanted to learn also, you say you ramble. 204 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,080 I tend to jump around all over the place when it comes to 205 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,440 questions. This will. 206 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,400 Be a chaotic podcast and I hopefully it's an awesome 1. 207 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,400 So I was looking at your your PDJ page and it looks like you 208 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,320 don't just play casually, you actually like to do tournaments. 209 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,000 Is that just so that to help to help your game or is that is 210 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,680 that just 'cause you like the competition side? 211 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:49,280 I love the competition side. I, yeah, I, I can't do it as 212 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,880 much because, you know, I really feel like I started this started 213 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,000 this love essentially right as my daughter was born. 214 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,800 It, it did let me at first play a ton because I have a nine hole 215 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,360 course like 5 minutes down the road. 216 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,680 So in that beginning when she's taking 2 hour naps every couple 217 00:11:06,680 --> 00:11:08,920 hours, it was just like, cool, she's down. 218 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,920 I'm going to skip taking a nap and make up sleep. 219 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,320 I'm going to go play nine holes and come back before she wakes 220 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:14,400 up. So I got to play a bunch of 221 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,320 that. But no, I I would play it if I 222 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,120 had the chance and somehow could pause time and spend as much 223 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,600 time with my family and work and also go play a tournament every 224 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,360 weekend. I would do it 1000%. 225 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,720 I just like that nature. I really miss like competitive 226 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,640 ultimate games. I like having something to 227 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,680 challenge me. I crack under pressure really 228 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:39,120 hard. So I like trying to like do 229 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,320 better at that. But yeah, so I like to play, I 230 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,400 play more like we have a local tags match that's on a Tuesday. 231 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:50,200 It's way easier to be like, hey, I'm going to go play tags for 232 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,720 one night rather than use an entire weekend's day or, or hold 233 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,120 if it's three rounds like that. So I want to play, I want to see 234 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,880 rating go up. We all like to see that, but I 235 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,720 just don't get to do it as much as I I would like. 236 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,760 So is that something that you just, I mean, you, you, I would 237 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,480 imagine you don't have an aspiration to be like a touring, 238 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,640 touring pro or anything like that, just, you know, play 239 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,040 occasionally. So no, no, no. 240 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,680 Yeah. And then I noticed you, you also 241 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:18,360 had a YouTube channel. Now it's been about a year since 242 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,960 you made some videos, but you did some kind of like just round 243 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,760 videos. Is that something you're going 244 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:28,160 to try to do more or? Probably not actually, I've a 245 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,440 sun coming in April, so it's gone even less time. 246 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:37,160 Yeah, I I'm excited for #2 but I know it's probably exponentially 247 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,480 more work. But I think kind of the way I 248 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,840 started because, you know, I didn't have any disc golf 249 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,160 connections in this. And at this point I feel like 250 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,440 I've somehow managed to get connected with almost every disc 251 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,080 golf content creator. And it all started where I found 252 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:58,040 the Another Round channel. And Joseph is so interesting. 253 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,120 He's so good. He's so much fun watching his 254 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,120 stuff. And you could tell Instagram was 255 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,560 their main thing, but YouTube was kind of a side a side 256 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:08,520 thought. And I like having something on 257 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,240 on the TV in the background, whether I'm watching it really 258 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,080 closely or watching it kind of just as as background fodder. 259 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:19,280 And I really liked that Channel, but didn't seem like they knew 260 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,240 the YouTube space that much. So they were the first people I 261 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,800 kind of reached out to and was like, this is going to sound 262 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,080 weird. I work in the YouTube space. 263 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,480 I think your content is fantastic. 264 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,120 And like there's a couple things I tweak. 265 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,120 I think most of the larger creators in the disc golf space, 266 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,480 the issue isn't their production quality or anything. 267 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,000 It's their packaging. Like packaging is such a weird 268 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,200 thing to do on YouTube, but it's the most important thing because 269 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,440 you can make the coolest video ever and if no one sees it, it 270 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,120 kind of sucks. So that's who I reached out to 271 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:55,480 and trying to remember where this question started at. 272 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,800 But that's kind of how I like started getting in contact with 273 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,960 people and being like, oh, they found that super useful. 274 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,560 They sent me a few discs and I'm just getting into the sport. 275 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:07,440 So like I, this is cool for me. I get to try some new discs, I 276 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,320 get to help some people out, I get more contact. 277 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,440 This really feels like it's all coming up for me at the end. 278 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,760 And that's how I started like reaching out to different people 279 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:21,360 and Oh yes, so those videos on my channel were OK. 280 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,320 I know packaging really well, but I probably should make a 281 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,640 couple of my own videos, 1, because I like to see how I 282 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,640 throw 2. I want to kind of understand the 283 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:34,120 idea of like, I don't want to go tell somebody. 284 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,360 I think this would be better for your videos if I've never done 285 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,120 it before. So I was like, how can I just, 286 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,200 you know, maybe quickly record a couple rounds, get a feel for 287 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,240 what it's like and to everyone out there filming y'all, that 288 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:49,800 for me, maybe because I'm not very good. 289 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,600 It's so embarrassing carrying a tripod around on this golf 290 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,720 course and being like, is someone I know going to be here 291 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,800 and see me doing this? So kudos to all of you out there 292 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,480 doing it. It's I I envy you. 293 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,960 I feel you on that. I I go out to a field, there's a 294 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,400 particular one that I have, I have two places that have some 295 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,120 nice big field. So if I'm doing some, you know, 296 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,280 particular videos on just throwing an open field, but 297 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,520 there's always like walkers out there or there's soccer practice 298 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,360 going on nearby. And I'm sure they're probably 299 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,440 looking at me going, what is this old fat guy doing? 300 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,040 How you're doing? Why does that camera drive? 301 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,480 Yeah, yeah. Why does he need to be filming? 302 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,920 And so if he can't be some big athlete or something like that, 303 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,560 but I've, I have learned to just shut all that out and just be 304 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,880 like, just go do it. They're going to think what they 305 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,680 want to think of big deals. OK, so let's go back a little 306 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,040 bit. Oh, your, your game. 307 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:44,680 OK, so you, you do tournaments every now and then, which is 308 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,320 great, which I think helps you again, helps you with your 309 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:48,680 competent. We always say put something on 310 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,880 the line every now and then, right to help you get get a 311 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,520 little bit better. No, that wasn't what I was 312 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:56,800 going. Sorry, Andrew, that. 313 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,520 Don't be sorry, we're all good. That's why I don't like doing 314 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,240 live. Yeah, dudes like, I mean that 315 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,720 that's such a good point. We Marques talks about all the 316 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,840 time. Like even just talking about 317 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,120 this right now, me saying I all the people who can go out and 318 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,680 have a a camera in public like I've been doing, you know, I've 319 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,000 been working here for 9 years. I've been on a lot of different 320 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,920 videos. I'm in videos where we are in 321 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,640 our own enclosed space and everyone here expects us to make 322 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,400 videos like the minute we go outside and have to record 323 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,920 something, I'm just kind of head down like, is everyone watching 324 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,360 us right now? So, and in the live sense, there 325 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,560 are people, and I think this is really important for people who 326 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,760 are creating content is like, you kind of got to find what 327 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,920 you're good at because you, you need to feel natural on things. 328 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,680 You need to be doing something you're really enjoying. 329 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,640 Marquez always talks about like, I can do this. 330 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,800 I don't get how live streamers do what they do. 331 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,080 He like we've done a couple live things for like the podcast or 332 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,440 whatnot. You really got to turn it on and 333 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,120 you got to be focused. But in Marquez's world, it's way 334 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,000 easier to be like, hope I messed that up. 335 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,720 I want to nail it perfectly. So, you know, there's different 336 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,160 levels of talent that people have for things and you kind of 337 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,000 got to find the one that works the best for you. 338 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,839 So live, yes, live is really hard. 339 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,200 I everyone's super impressive that can pull it off. 340 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,160 Yeah, we used to do it back in the day and and I, the only 341 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,119 thing I liked about it is when you were done, you were done, 342 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,119 right? You didn't have to do any more 343 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,440 editing other than maybe a couple clips are here and there. 344 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,680 Of course, that was back when I don't even think shorts or reels 345 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,200 were even a thing quite yet. So no, what I was going, OK, 346 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,240 what I was going to get back into was more of the, the tech 347 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,680 side, the technical, because that's a question that one of 348 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,800 our listeners asked was, and, and I noticed through my years 349 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,720 of creating content was that seems to be the first question. 350 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,400 And I'm the same way. Like I'm watching a video. 351 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,960 I'm loving what I'm seeing, looks really crisp and nice. 352 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,360 And I'm like, what camera are they using? 353 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:53,160 What setup? What's the best tripod? 354 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,520 And I did go through a time of like analysis paralysis. 355 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,360 Like if I had to, if I only had that camera, if I only had that 356 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:03,040 particular tripod, my content would be, would be that much 357 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,760 better. So, and they always say that 358 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,160 the, the advice is the, the best camera is the one that you have 359 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,600 on you. But kind of walk us through 360 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,160 someone who is in tech all the time has worked with some of the 361 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,040 I'm, you know, I mean, one of the questions I want to ask you, 362 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,560 do you, when you made your video content, did you use a, a 363 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,840 $50,000 red camera to create your content? 364 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,000 And obviously. Yeah. 365 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,280 Right. So I mean, kind of break that 366 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,520 down for us as far as like what should people really think about 367 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,240 when they think about equipment and creating disc golf content? 368 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,400 Yeah, I think it's a couple different things. 369 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,200 I one thing that's really different from creating disc 370 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,960 golf content versus what we do here is we're in a studio with 371 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,680 lighting and big tripods. You know, we can use a red 372 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:51,880 camera because it can sit on a pair of sticks and not move and 373 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:54,320 it's all manual focus. There's no autofocus. 374 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,520 So you do have to start thinking of a few things when you're, you 375 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,120 know, disc golf bags are already heavy. 376 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,400 I mean, some people use carts. I actually think the people I 377 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,840 see using carts with little mounts on them, that seems like 378 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,480 the ideal setup to not. But carrying a tripod and your 379 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,400 bag and a camera and microphones is it's a lot out on the course. 380 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,200 So you need to kind of find what fits for you that's not 381 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,120 affecting your game because that's the thing, that's the 382 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:22,960 content, you know, overall. And yeah, you have to you have 383 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,360 to kind of think about what, what are your priorities? 384 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,360 Do you do you really like the just the content you're making 385 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:34,080 and you don't care maybe quite as much about quality and stuff? 386 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,800 And if you're not that interested in like I want to be 387 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,040 the absolute sharpest image possible, you're probably not 388 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,120 going to take the time to figure out a, a Sony A series camera or 389 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:46,960 something with an interchangeable lens and stuff 390 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,800 like that. So don't stress about it. 391 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,720 Use your phone, use the DJI Osmo. 392 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,960 People love that right now. We love it. 393 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,200 We we also have the studio channel. 394 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,120 We just went through arguably one of the craziest videos we've 395 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:05,640 ever made, which is we filmed. Pretty much everything we did 396 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,880 for a whole year and turned it into like an hour and a half 397 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,200 long video. And that took so much time of 398 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,840 deciding which cameras were the best to use for that. 399 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,440 Because sometimes it's someone filming, sometimes it's us 400 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,600 filming, sometimes we're on an airplane, sometimes we're at an 401 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,200 event. You have to kind of be like, 402 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,880 what's the best quality that I'm really willing to put in the 403 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,600 effort for, but that also isn't going to take away from the 404 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,280 thing that's happening right now. 405 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,560 So in disc golf, that's weird. I think there's like kind of 406 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,600 steps to it. Like I said, a phone, a GoPro, a 407 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,400 Osmo are kind of one level of like solid quality, minimal 408 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,920 footprint. And maybe you're not, you don't 409 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,880 care about dialing in log footage or, or, you know, super, 410 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,320 super high quality. Then you can kind of step into 411 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,840 like I think Jay Millie uses like a Sony ZVE one or 412 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:54,480 something. I Yeah. 413 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,320 One of those, yeah. Every tech company needs to work 414 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,560 on naming things. It's impossible to remember. 415 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:06,440 So like that's kind of gets into like I'm taking one next step of 416 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,280 like caring about quality, but it's still pretty compact. 417 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,440 And then you start getting into the the a sevens or the FX 418 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,320 threes or or stuff like that. That is like, you know, this 419 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,040 cameras going to be really, really nice. 420 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,000 Maybe you have someone like foundation as a cameraman who's 421 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,920 coming around every time where it's not just I have to rig 422 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,600 everything up, set it up. But so yeah, I would I would 423 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,760 really, if you want to make content, watch content and and 424 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,040 figure out what they're doing and use that as a stepping stone 425 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,960 of looking at maybe what you want to do. 426 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,960 But I would highly, highly suggest the first thing you do 427 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,840 is grab your phone and make sure you actually enjoy making it. 428 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,680 And it's not because cameras are expensive man. 429 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,360 You don't want to spend $1000 film run one round to be like 430 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:52,120 wow this ruined my disc golf round and now I don't want to do 431 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:54,640 it anymore. Yeah, I think some people, what 432 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,680 they do is, and I tend to do this as I forget that it's about 433 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,320 the story, it's about what you're telling. 434 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,120 And they think, well, if I just had a better camera, I'd have 435 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,480 better content. Well, no, just to worry about 436 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,320 the story. Exactly. 437 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,080 It's just a higher quality, not great content, so that's not 438 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,080 exactly ideal. Yeah. 439 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,960 So what is it about content? OK, so we we talked a little 440 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,400 about what the first things you encountered when you started 441 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,760 watching content. Is there something, what would 442 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,360 you tell somebody that wanted to? 443 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,840 Another question usually is when when someone says I'm going to 444 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,920 start making disc golf content, you always say, OK, this is the 445 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,240 things you got to think of, but tell us the things that they 446 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:39,000 should make sure they don't do. Yeah, let I'm going to kind of 447 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,080 try and try to connect both of these questions because to kind 448 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,240 of add more, I know people are really interested in gear. 449 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,600 So like the reason I say go out and just use what you have at 450 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,000 first. I also think Broderick says this 451 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,320 and I couldn't agree more is like audio is so important. 452 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,280 Audio, audio, audio, audio can make me click off something. 453 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:06,080 But like to tack into that find this, like you said, the story 454 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,120 you want to tell. It doesn't always have to be I, 455 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,320 I don't know if you know the channel up and down disc golf. 456 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,760 If you want like storytelling, storytelling, that's 457 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,720 storytelling. But not every story has to be a 458 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,680 beginning. And then like epiphany kind of 459 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,600 thing. The story might just be, I want 460 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,680 to shoot 8 down at this course, but you have to make like, you 461 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,000 have to make me, the viewer really be rooting for you to 462 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,480 shoot 8 down somehow. Maybe it's super windy. 463 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,920 Maybe it's whatever. You'll figure that out based on 464 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,400 what you like to make. But I'm like, you want to go out 465 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,440 and still really enjoy the stuff you're shooting? 466 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,720 Because I can guarantee you I haven't clicked off videos 467 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,680 because the video quality is bad. 468 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,640 I've clicked off videos because I can tell the person's not 469 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,480 really that into what they're making right there. 470 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,080 And I think there's way too many people out there in every niche. 471 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,480 This isn't just disc golf. But like I click on the video, 472 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:58,920 it's like, oh, this sounds like a good idea. 473 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,160 And then I watch like 5 minutes of it and I'm like, do you 474 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,480 really want to make this video right now? 475 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,160 Because it doesn't feel like it. And that as a viewer doesn't 476 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,200 make me want to watch it. And that could be 8K footage 477 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,680 with like beautiful scenery and and like the best shooting like 478 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,560 in terms of playing disc golf I've ever seen. 479 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,320 But if the person just doesn't seem that into it, like I don't 480 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,920 really care that much and I'm probably not going to watch it 481 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,120 so. I remember I, I worked at a 482 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:29,800 credit union and I wanted to get into marketing and I talked to 483 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,600 the marketing manager, director, whatever she was and I said, I, 484 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,200 I really have fun doing things and creating things and I think 485 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,200 marketing would be a thing. And she said, why ask yourself 486 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,360 this? What happens when it's work? 487 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,920 What happens when you have to have a deadline, when you have 488 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,800 to have, you have a campaign, you have to have it done in two 489 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,680 weeks. Is that going to be fun? 490 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,400 You know, it's, you know, it is fun to make one or two projects, 491 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,920 but then when you're on your 4th or 5th project, sometimes it's 492 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,720 not so fun because you've got a really, that's when the work of 493 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,000 thinking things come up. I used to do some social media 494 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,920 consulting when I was on my doing freelance and I had people 495 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,680 ask me, I want to do a podcast and I'd say, OK, how many 496 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,400 podcasts are you going to do in the next three months? 497 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,800 And they'd say, well, we want to do 1 maybe once every two weeks. 498 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,920 I said, all right, we'll come up with 18 ideas right now on piece 499 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,520 of paper and then let's talk about starting a podcast because 500 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,360 you can think of the first 3 or 4 ideas, but then after that 501 00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:27,200 it's like, OK, I got to really think this through What, what 502 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,920 could we talk about on our podcast? 503 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,600 So. It's it's so important, like 504 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,080 consistency isn't extremely important if you want to make it 505 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,960 eventually in the YouTube space, because in order to feed the 506 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,960 algorithm, which I'm going to talk about way too much here, is 507 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,440 like, it wants to see consistency. 508 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,920 Me as a viewer, I don't want to be like, wow, that was the 509 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,760 greatest video ever. I can't wait to watch it again. 510 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,920 And then four months later when nothing's come out, I've 511 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,600 forgotten about Excrete and something, this is going to 512 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,320 sound like a name drop, which I don't want it to, but Marquez 513 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,280 preaches this all the time. And I thought it was really 514 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,040 compelling when he got to do a sit down with LeBron and talk to 515 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,440 him about, hey, you know, basketball is work for you. 516 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,360 But Lebron's like, yeah, but I'm going to still go out and play, 517 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:11,960 pick up basketball and not get paid for it. 518 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,120 Like, if Marquez didn't make it in YouTube and he was doing 519 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:18,480 something else, I still think he would be making videos about the 520 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,800 tech that he purchased on the side. 521 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,960 He's just love of the game at a certain point. 522 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,400 So that's why I say like, you should go out and make a bunch 523 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:26,960 of content with whatever you have. 524 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,240 If you're interested in it. You should probably make 20 525 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,160 videos without expecting to get a single view on them and just 526 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,240 watch yourself progress and learn how to do it. 527 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,400 And then realize, do I still actually want to make this thing 528 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,600 because that there is going to be burnout later and stuff like 529 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,240 that and you want to be able to combat the burnout with like, 530 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,920 well, I just enjoyed doing this anyways. 531 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,520 Yeah, that's so hard doing that as a when you work for a 532 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,160 business. Like, you know, for me, like, 533 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,920 like, like you said, I love just creating content and yes, I want 534 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,840 to create it and not worry about the views. 535 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,840 But I also have to worry about the views because, you know, I 536 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,280 have to show that, yes, the work you paid me to do has some 537 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,560 return on it. So yeah, that that can be a 538 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,000 challenge for sure. You mentioned something real 539 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,160 quick. You said the algorithm. 540 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,440 I hate the algorithm and I get the algorithm really is just if 541 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,240 people want to see your stuff, it's going to get shown, but 542 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,680 it's such it feels like, like I'm a little I, I understand 543 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,720 that when I first started making disc golf content that I was 544 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,920 very lucky, right? I was lucky because there wasn't 545 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,960 much out there at all. There were some, but not a lot. 546 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,280 There wasn't really a, a manufacturer that had a social 547 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,000 media person only with that's all they were going to do. 548 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,800 And so when we got onto the scene and we were showing behind 549 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,480 the scenes stuffs, we were showing, you know what we did in 550 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,560 the warehouse? We were showing tutorials, 551 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,800 teaching people. It was all kind of fairly new, 552 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,960 right? Fairly new the way we were doing 553 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,880 it. So it's almost like I, how do I 554 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,320 say it was a cheat? But like I, there was nothing 555 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,000 really. I was battling with, but now I 556 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,680 am battling with a lot of content out there. 557 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,040 So what, what, what would you say to that, to that question of 558 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,880 man, it's so frustrating trying to fight. 559 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,960 Sometimes you feel like you're fighting the algorithm. 560 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,480 Yeah, I'm, listen, I'm going to not sit here and pretend like 561 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,520 I've fought it as hard as a lot of people have. 562 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,160 I, I joined this channel when Marquez already had 4 million 563 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,800 followers. I mean, he and he says all the 564 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,160 time he got lucky as well. He got into space that was 565 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,360 really small at the time and just kept at it. 566 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:35,600 I mean, at a certain point, longevity may have been like, I 567 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,840 don't want to diminish anything we've done. 568 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,120 I think I've seen a lot of creators where when I started, 569 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,360 they were similar to where we are. 570 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,320 And now 10 years later, they're pretty much at the same spot. 571 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,840 And we've grown to a number that none of us ever thought was 572 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,480 going to happen, including now separate channels that have like 573 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,520 really, really good viewership that are supporting employees 574 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,520 that we have. So it's not, you know, I haven't 575 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,880 been in the trenches quite as hard. 576 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,640 I've been in a different trench, I guess. 577 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,920 And the algorithm is, it is and always will be annoying because 578 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,240 YouTube doesn't want to help you know what the algorithm is 579 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,720 because everyone's going to try and game it as much as possible. 580 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,160 But I which is a tough thing to do. 581 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,640 I want people to be able to look at analytics in order to help 582 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,880 them with their content. But the minute you just start 583 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,800 trying to game, the system is more like, I care way more about 584 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,600 views and whatever than actually putting the content out. 585 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,240 Which again, I'm not in a position where I have a company 586 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,040 directly paying me to do that as a marketing person. 587 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:39,280 So I I don't understand full on the the pressures of that. 588 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,360 But like if I were to say, looking at your analytics on the 589 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,880 inside is like average view duration is really what YouTube 590 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,480 wants. YouTube is a company. 591 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,840 YouTube can sell ads. The longer you're on a website, 592 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,320 the more average view duration you have, the longer YouTube has 593 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,400 the chance to sell the audience something. 594 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,440 So that doesn't mean always like make a longer video. 595 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,680 It doesn't. It's like kind of this balancing 596 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:12,720 act of what can my total view time look like based on like how 597 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,600 good my content is. Don't try and pull it. 598 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,280 But just like I want people to basically make it to the end of 599 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,400 my videos is is a great goal. And the numbers are always going 600 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,600 to look really small because so many people are out there 601 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,800 watching. I think you've said it before, 602 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,120 300 views might seem really small, but put 300 people in a 603 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,560 room and it's and it's it's a crazy amount. 604 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,160 And I think disc golf has one thing going for it where if you 605 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,640 have some sort of partnership with a a manufacturer, with an 606 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,560 online retailer, you get a little more of the like ROI of 607 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,280 being able to maybe have an affiliate code or sell a disk or 608 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,600 something like that. You don't have to rely purely on 609 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,320 YouTube Adsense. So that's one little helpful bit 610 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,120 of it, I guess. But yeah, that the algorithm and 611 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,480 it changes. It changes every month I feel 612 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,560 like, so chasing it is. Yeah, it's hard to chase it and 613 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,720 I think maybe you got to implement little tips and tricks 614 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,200 here and then but here and there. 615 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,240 But at the core of it, you just your message has to always still 616 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,320 be the same. That way it kind of cuts through 617 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,440 all the algorithm stuff. So what is it that you see as 618 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,320 far as like the, the tech world and how you guys have grown and, 619 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,680 and, and become a big presence in the tech world? 620 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,320 Can any of that translate over into what's going on in the disc 621 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,000 golf industry? It's like the, there's some 622 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,240 similarities in the sense that like we don't consider ourselves 623 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,960 journalists in the terms of like full blown journalists, but I 624 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,920 think we've proven to the space that like legacy media isn't the 625 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,440 de facto source of information anymore. 626 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,680 So we are getting invites to these big companies and stuff 627 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,480 like that. Just like in disc golf, YouTube 628 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,800 content creators might be just as, if not more important than 629 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,320 some of the top touring pros. I mean, in terms of, you know, 630 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,000 tech is a business of selling tech products. 631 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,720 Disc golf is still a business of selling discs. 632 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,520 And so a a disc golf creator probably might be able to push 633 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,640 more plastic than a pro will, especially if they're a pro 634 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,320 that's, you know, not really on social media, which I think is, 635 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,520 you know, some some pros are doing it right now, but I think 636 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,080 more should have like building your brand outside of that. 637 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,360 We like personality. We want to see people on a more 638 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,520 personal level and be more connected with them. 639 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,600 So you see like a stylus Schultz out there, you see Goose and 640 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,640 Ezra making their their round, their practice round videos. 641 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:45,520 Like that is like to me, the the ideal pro for a a manufacturer 642 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,680 wants to have someone who is good and producing on tour, but 643 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,360 also creating the content. I know Gannon this year brought 644 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,760 Ben Kenny on to do that so he can really focus on it and get 645 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,600 that. And I mean, listen, I'm not 646 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,400 handing out contracts, but if I was a disc golf manufacturer, I 647 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,560 would want the the guy who's got not only like winning and 648 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,960 proving you can win with the discs, but also the personality 649 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,240 and the personal connection of like social media and YouTube 650 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,440 and Instagram and stuff like that. 651 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,360 Yeah. When I talk to our team players, 652 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,120 that's kind of what I tell them is it's really, it's a value 653 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,040 exchange, right? What value do you value do you 654 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,360 bring to your audience? The value if you're winning, 655 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,600 right? The value is people get to watch 656 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,040 somebody who's winning, right? Or the value could be the 657 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,440 practice rounds or teaching them how to better their game or 658 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,000 you're funny. Your personality of the humor is 659 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,920 the value you bring. So what would you tell somebody? 660 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,960 What would you tell a player that kind of is having some 661 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:49,600 challenges with that in the sense of before they were when 662 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,040 it comes to man, how do I break this down without sounding bad? 663 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,960 But before, whenever, you know, before a player was like 664 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,160 competing, right? And so the better they did, they 665 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,920 feel like the more value they brought. 666 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,320 And then when they approach a company, they could say, hey, 667 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,080 look at me, I'm top five, you know, I'm beating all the other 668 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,840 guys. But now they're not just 669 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,719 competing with the other competitors. 670 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,800 They're competing with the J Millie's and the Broadway for 671 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,440 manufacturer's attention. What what? 672 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:22,120 What advice would you give them? Man, yeah, it's it's like tough 673 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,639 in the sense of like how what I would ask them to do because I 674 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:26,719 don't know their full blown schedule. 675 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,280 I just travel and like practice rounds and stuff like that is so 676 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,400 much. I would say like give it a shot, 677 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,199 try and find something that you can come and film what you're 678 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,719 doing and put some thoughts out into the world. 679 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,920 Because a lot of people, I think more people would be into the 680 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,920 pro tour if we kind of had a little more knowledge with the 681 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,159 players. I think I think NBA is so 682 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:52,040 successful in the US because this sounds crazy, but like I 683 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,960 think one of the reasons it's more successful than hockey is 684 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,520 because hockey we're wearing helmets and we have less of a 685 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,680 personal connection because we're literally just not seeing 686 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,360 players as much. But in the NBA, it's just the 687 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,120 person standing there. So like just the personal 688 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,840 connection to a a pro could be something that gets someone to 689 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,120 start watching pro door stuff more often. 690 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,800 And like I said, I don't know how busy they are. 691 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,920 I don't know what their talent level is or how comfortable they 692 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,960 are with editing or whatever. It's it's really not that tough 693 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,560 to pick up. If you could put some time into 694 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,440 it. There's pros doing it, Casey 695 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,800 White's out there, Simon's out there, Silas is out there. 696 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,560 There's lots more doing it. But just if you're going to do 697 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,680 it, put the time and effort into it. 698 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:41,000 Because when you have some pros with like thumbnails and stuff, 699 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,240 that just feels like, oh, I'm doing this because it's going to 700 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:47,080 make me more money later on in a, a contract negotiation. 701 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,680 And it doesn't feel like you're putting any effort into the 702 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,600 video. If your thumbnail has the same 703 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,960 headshot that you took four years ago and every single 704 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,920 thumbnail, like you're going to lose all of that. 705 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,720 It feels like there's not a lot of attention being paid into it. 706 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:04,000 So yeah, just just put the effort into it. 707 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,440 It's easier said than done. I totally get it. 708 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,560 But try some out, see if you enjoy it. 709 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,040 And I think they will only be beneficial to the the people out 710 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,200 there marketing themselves. Yeah, yeah, that's what I try to 711 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,960 tell, tell the players. Sometimes they listen, sometimes 712 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,160 they don't, but it's all good. And yeah. 713 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,480 The players are super young too, man, I I don't get like I, I was 714 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,760 just listening to an interview Silas did on the like all 715 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,480 birdies, no bogeys and I didn't realize he's only like 22. 716 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,120 I was like, wow, you've done wow, a lot of stuff already in 717 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,240 both senses. Like he's an incredible editor, 718 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:41,920 He's a great player. Like that's really impressive 719 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,080 doing stuff. So I'm sure being young and 720 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,160 driving across the country all year is there's lots of 721 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,720 shenanigans to get into and having fun with that rather than 722 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:54,080 doing editing stuff. And, you know, that's probably 723 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,080 the more fun thing to do. But I think if you wanted to 724 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,200 grow that, yeah, a YouTube channel or an Instagram would be 725 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,840 super helpful for anyone out there. 726 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,600 Yeah. OK. 727 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,200 So I'm going to ask you some questions that's kind of selfish 728 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,480 on my end, but hopefully our listeners will will gain some 729 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,640 information. What is when you're when you 730 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,320 guys are planning your podcast or when you guys are planning 731 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,000 any particular production or whatever, what's kind of the how 732 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,200 much, how much goes into the planning before you even hit 733 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,200 record? We are probably the worst 734 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,400 company to take advice from on this because we are really last 735 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,640 minute on things. We having Marquez and he's been 736 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,880 doing this for 15 years. So there's a a streamlined 737 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,520 effort of things that he just like knows what to do for our 738 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,840 bread and butter of like a phone review of go to the event, get 739 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,360 the phone. He can use it for X amount of 740 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,800 time, but then when it gets to like sit down and write, he can 741 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,720 knock a script out in a day and we can film the next day or that 742 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,560 night. And then editing is a pretty 743 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,200 quick turn around just because of all the stuff we've put in 744 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,640 place of how to streamline that in a controlled studio Podcast 745 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,440 is at this point now like 350 episodes in. 746 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,160 So we, we also have a pretty good thing going there where we 747 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,480 have essentially, I think this is something that we have that's 748 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,760 important to disc golf. And you mentioned before about 749 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,040 like a Discord server that I tried to create. 750 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,760 This was for disc golf creators. This was something that I saw in 751 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,280 the tech space where like us inside our bubble, there's like 752 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,280 17 people working here. We have a Slack server that's 753 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,440 just not only has the stuff for what we have to do for work, but 754 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,840 as channels where we can just discuss the things we're seeing 755 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,320 online because so much tech is coming out all the time. 756 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,920 And one of those channels is just our waveform channel, which 757 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,320 is if you see any news article that's interesting posted in 758 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,680 there. So when David and myself start 759 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,880 writing the outline for every week, we can just pull stuff 760 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,360 from there and we bring it onto the podcast. 761 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,240 And since it's conversation, we don't really need a script. 762 00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:57,640 We do a couple bullet points and we all just five of us talk 763 00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,640 about it. But so like, I wanted to create 764 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,480 that server because I think having a community of people who 765 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,960 are in a similar situation is a great way to bounce ideas off of 766 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,640 each other, A great way to get opinions on like maybe a 767 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,880 thumbnail, maybe an idea, maybe collaborations. 768 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,520 I think collaborations are crazy important, but the biggest thing 769 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,440 we always say is like a collaboration should bring 770 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,760 benefit to both audiences rather than just, hey, I want your 771 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,400 audience, you want my audience. It should be like, oh, I, I have 772 00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:34,320 ex expertise and I think your audience would appreciate that 773 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:39,720 we should do something together. So yeah, like community inside 774 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:42,800 this creator space, whether it's a bunch of the big creators 775 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,120 getting together, whether it's a bunch of people around you that 776 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,160 you just know personally that make contacts or content. 777 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,760 Sorry, getting having some sort of a feedback loop there I think 778 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,400 can be super important. Well, you said there I could 779 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,880 relate to the process because I'm very much like, I have to 780 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,480 force myself to sit down and create a script. 781 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,000 I know what I want to see, but I I tend to like my my one of my 782 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,400 more favorite projects was my, the disc golf adventures where I 783 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,320 just was going out and filming with us going to a tournament 784 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,240 and and having fun with our players. 785 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,320 Because there wasn't much of A script, it was like things would 786 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,520 just happen. People were being funny and 787 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,880 silly and that kind of helped navigate what I was going to do 788 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,800 in that vlog episode. So yeah, I was just, I was 789 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,320 curious to know what the process was when you guys were, how much 790 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,080 you really put into script writing and and stuff like that. 791 00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:37,720 Yeah. One thing I would say is I think 792 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,320 experience isn't just you know, what you make personally, but 793 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,400 it's experiencing what else is in this space. 794 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,320 So I really think, and I know a lot of creators in the disco 795 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,440 scene don't do is like just watch content. 796 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,960 It's not like I hope people don't always think like, oh, I 797 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,720 saw ex creator do this. I'm just stealing from him. 798 00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:01,560 It's like, no, you could probably put your own twist on 799 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,440 it and get a good idea from it. I like I also think some people 800 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,720 do better scripted, some people do better unscripted. 801 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:12,440 Some people can tell a story by just showing up to a a course 802 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,440 and playing it and understand what's going on. 803 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,960 Like I got to play around with Bonanza on video and I got to 804 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,720 watch him kind of navigate how the video is going to flow as we 805 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:25,360 were playing it 'cause he's really good at that. 806 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,000 But if you go out and shoot 18 holes and your goal was 500 and 807 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,840 you come back and watch it and you realize you're not talking 808 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,240 to the camera at all. Like maybe that's just not your 809 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:36,440 niche there and, and you might want to find something else. 810 00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:41,560 I, I've had this thing in my mind that I think is a good 811 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,440 piece of advice. So we'll see if your audience 812 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:49,400 agrees with that. If you, if you can play back 813 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,320 your video without any video and just audio and still get a 814 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,000 pretty good sense of what's going on, almost like it turns 815 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,040 into a podcast. It's probably a really 816 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,520 captivating video. I'm at the point where I can 817 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,680 turn a Bonanza video on in my car and not watch any of it and 818 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,640 just listen to it and feel like I watched the video. 819 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,680 I also have a really long commute, so I do that very 820 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:14,440 often, but like that's because people can continually engage 821 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:19,240 with the audience in that sense where you probably, I know you 822 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:21,920 said you found my channel, you probably watched it and it's 823 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:27,200 like 20 seconds of a throw and me like mumbling about nothing 824 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,200 and then like, OK, now I'm going to throw a zone, throw it cool. 825 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,880 That was a nice shot. Go to the next one. 826 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,680 Oh, I'm going to put this is pretty long. 827 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,280 I probably won't make it. I don't make it cool on like 828 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,920 that's not that interesting. So I almost try and look at some 829 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,840 of the audio of things as like a podcast, and if it's working 830 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,760 like that, the video is probably working pretty well too. 831 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,640 Or thought about it that way, but that makes a lot of sense. 832 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,800 I have a well, on certain days when I drive to right now I'm in 833 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,800 Oklahoma, but then when I drive to Emporia to work out there, I 834 00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,360 have a three and a half hour commute. 835 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,760 Yeah, I do. I do do that a lot. 836 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,920 I'll have a YouTube video going, but I pay premium so I can turn 837 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,960 off the audio or turn off the video. 838 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,640 And that makes a lot of sense. I might have to test that out on 839 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,240 a few of our videos we've done and see see if I lose interest. 840 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,040 Of course, listen to yourself over and over and over again. 841 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,600 Yeah, Oh my. Goodness, but, but that's a good 842 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,840 tester. I, I really like that. 843 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,280 So now I OK, another thing. So let's talk. 844 00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,080 You mentioned thumbnails a couple times and I've heard you 845 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,160 talk about thumbnails on other interviews. 846 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,920 So, and that's again, I'm going to be honest and I don't know if 847 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,720 this is just the way I I put so much effort into the content 848 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,680 that I hate that I have to put effort into the thumbnail or the 849 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,400 packaging, But that's I under, but I also understand its 850 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,400 importance. So help me, help me as someone 851 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,760 that needs to get over that hump. 852 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,120 Sure, listen, you're you're going to have to put effort into 853 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,360 it. That's just part of being it. 854 00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:02,400 And like, yeah, but not every thumbnail needs to be I I think 855 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,960 most people suffer from overcomplicating thumbnails. 856 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,840 I think that your main goal in a thumbnail should be like being 857 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,360 recognizable, because I want Dynamic Discs to. 858 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,320 I need to see Dynamic Discs on my homepage because I'm not 859 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,280 going to the subscription page under that. 860 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,080 I'm subscribed to you anymore. So I probably need to see a face 861 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,040 that I recognize and I like to keep it no more than three 862 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,800 subjects. There's just not enough space. 863 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,360 If you think about how big a thumbnail is, I want to be able 864 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,120 to see a thumbnail, recognize what I see, understand the 865 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,320 channel that is right away. And then that should lead me to 866 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,120 the title. And then after that I should 867 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,360 want to click it. And then like the 1st 20 seconds 868 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,640 of the videos, that's where I'm you can tell if you're locked in 869 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:53,560 or not. So that that 32nd total window 870 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,440 is kind of where you get a viewer and that's why it's so 871 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,480 important, But it doesn't need to go crazy. 872 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,640 It should show that it's disc golf because we want to. 873 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,080 It's sounds dumb, but it's really easy to be like, this is 874 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,280 what I did throwing and then make a thumbnail think it's 875 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,080 great and realize an average person might not understand this 876 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,240 is disc golf because you don't see a disc anywhere. 877 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,720 And then after you get those things down, that's when you 878 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:21,560 really start dialing it into what it what makes you, you 879 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,120 stand out because like everything I'm saying is going 880 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,560 to make you look like every other thumbnail, which is not 881 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,080 what I want to happen. But most people understand 882 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,440 thumbnails to a degree. So things start looking the 883 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,080 same. One person, I think that does it 884 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,600 really well in a really interesting way that maybe is 885 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,120 almost against everything I say, but I think does it perfectly, 886 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,920 is Broderick. He has just developed his style. 887 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,080 You know, it's a Broderick video because it's like pretty green 888 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,880 in terms of the the like shrubbery and trees and 889 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,400 everything. It always has red text, it 890 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,720 doesn't always have his face, but you can just kind of tell 891 00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:00,920 who Broderick is. And and while it goes against 892 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,720 the really big face that I like to have in terms of like it's 893 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:05,680 recognizable when you're his viewer. 894 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,840 And that's the biggest thing. You need to make sure you can 895 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,160 capture your audience and watch your videos before you can 896 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,760 capture other ones or else the channels not going to have 897 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,080 anyone. So I need to know if I'm 898 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,720 subscribed to dynamic that that's a dynamic video up there 899 00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:22,280 without reading the text, because the text that says 900 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,640 dynamic is the smallest thing possible out of everything 901 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,240 you're seeing. Gotcha. 902 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,760 That's one of the and then one of the challenges we're having 903 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:35,520 on our YouTube channel is when I left, I think we had maybe 904 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,560 78,000 subscribers. I think it was around that. 905 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,320 So we were doing pretty good. We would get, we would average 906 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,880 the way I would look at it right before I left, I think is if we 907 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,680 didn't hit 10,000 views within the 1st 12 hours, I think it 908 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,840 was, then I'd, we need to look at what happened right? 909 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,040 Because we, that's, that was kind of our marker and we would 910 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,000 get some really good views. And then when I had a guy, 911 00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,880 Danny, he was working, making some tutorials. 912 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:00,880 He was getting really good views. 913 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,240 People love that stuff. And then I left and everything 914 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,320 kind of shifted as far as like what was emphasized as far as 915 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,720 content creation. And we leaned a lot into, they 916 00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:13,920 leaned a lot into Conan Montgomery and with Ricky 917 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,560 Wysocki. So they were a big presence. 918 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,080 So they leaned heavy into the pro and so it felt like we had 919 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,520 it and I'm getting somewhere at the to my question, but no, no, 920 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,320 I so YouTube had a shift. It was like we shifted what we 921 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,240 showed YouTube. Then it went dormant after, you 922 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:30,280 know, all everything happened with them left and then it was 923 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,280 like there wasn't much of A quality. 924 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,480 I don't want to brag on the guys, but for about 9-10 months 925 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,920 there were some videos, but it wasn't like a big time quality 926 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,680 because the shift, again, there was a shift in leadership and 927 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,000 the shift in what was being emphasized. 928 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,640 And then I come back and I'm like, OK, let's get back to what 929 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,800 we were doing before, the fun casual type stuff. 930 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,560 But we have 96,000 subscribers and we're getting like we're 931 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,520 fighting for 2000 views, we're fighting for 25. 932 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,520 And like, what would your advice be on that? 933 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,160 Like there's I'm, I'm almost like ready to scrap the channel 934 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,880 and just start over again and, and fight that battle. 935 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:12,480 I mean, in the way YouTube works you this channel kind of has 936 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,640 been scrapped twice already. In that sense, it's like you've 937 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,240 the subscriber button again. Like I mentioned, it's not as 938 00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:21,240 important these days because one, people aren't subscribing 939 00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:24,480 that much and two, lots of people don't unsubscribe from 940 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,440 things. I mean, I don't, I probably have 941 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,760 like 10 or 15 channels that I probably never watch anymore 942 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,240 that just like pure nostalgia or laziness is has me still 943 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:36,040 subscribe to it. But YouTube knows that so it 944 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,640 never recommends me on my page. I don't even know I'm subscribed 945 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,840 anymore. And like you said, if you focus 946 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,800 so much on Ricky and Kona and they're not there anymore, you 947 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,840 created a familiarity with your audience then on Ricky and Kona 948 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,760 and not so much on a different personality. 949 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,840 So you kind of are starting again. 950 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,560 I don't think I would scrap it and start over. 951 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,400 I don't think it's going to be hitting you negatively. 952 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,800 It's just you got to look at numbers outside that 953 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,520 subscription thing because those number, those, the subscription 954 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,000 number doesn't guarantee anything anymore. 955 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,640 It used to be almost a guarantee view. 956 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,720 Now it basically doesn't. So I would just to look at it is 957 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:16,160 like reset yourself on what you're expecting out of a video. 958 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:18,640 If 2000 views is what you're going for, it'd be like cool, 959 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,280 2000 views is what I'm getting from my core audience right now. 960 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,720 I want to build my core audience. 961 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,440 How do I get those numbers up and start seeing a core audience 962 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,520 being built? It used to be pretty easy 963 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,520 because we could say if you got 20% of the views based on your 964 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,080 subscriptions, that was a pretty ideal spot. 965 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,760 We're seeing now more than ever when a channel's really cooking 966 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,200 here, that's not our main channel. 967 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:47,000 It's like the the our podcast has 500,000 subscribers, but 968 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,240 we're averaging like 200 to 250,000 views on a video. 969 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,160 That's way bigger than the old percentage I used to look at, 970 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,320 where our autofocus channel is almost surpassing views of 971 00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,640 subscribers every single time, which is awesome to see. 972 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,280 The audience is just built on the recommended and homepage 973 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,080 stuff now, so you just got to, it's a harder number to figure 974 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,320 out, but you just got to reset, learn what your real audience 975 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:16,720 is, and then go from there. Yeah, that's kind of it's like 976 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:19,280 logically it makes sense in my mind from working on social 977 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,080 media, but it manages hurts the ego for sure. 978 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,440 I totally totally understand. It's like the for expectations 979 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,280 are the thief of joy and the subscription expectation is we 980 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,640 all still think it's really there, but it it really isn't 981 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,880 anymore and it's it's stealing joy from us every day. 982 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,880 So to that end, for someone that is wanting thinking about 983 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,560 starting and they are starting from, let's say, 0 or a channel 984 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,200 that maybe has just a few 100. So it sounds like what you're 985 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,560 saying is don't really pay much attention to, you know, that 986 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,600 used to be the winds was subscribers, right? 987 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,480 And that's I'm that's still something you can measure, but 988 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,520 it sounds like more of the watch time. 989 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,440 And what other analytics would you say, OK, pay attention to 990 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,480 these and how are you making these better so you can optimize 991 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,400 your videos better? Yeah, I mean, watch time is the 992 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,040 most important. I'm we, we still look, I still 993 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:15,800 love to be analytic, but it's just so like personal into what 994 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,400 you're you're doing and trying to understand your audience. 995 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,720 I'd, I'd read comments and see what people are thinking, which 996 00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:27,040 is also a like really slippery slope of how do I handle hate 997 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,680 comments? How do I handle like non 998 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,720 constructive criticism? I think the the most important 999 00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:34,200 thing when you're reading comments is how to understand 1000 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,720 what comment is constructive and what comment is just annoying, 1001 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,840 which is hard to do. And trust me, as someone who's 1002 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,840 read more comments than I ever should have ever, It totally, 1003 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,680 totally takes a strain on mental. 1004 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:54,880 So it's really tough. I, I would say, you know, you 1005 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,080 looking at what your average views are kind of coming to 1006 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,560 seeing how many of them are making it through like a pretty 1007 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,800 good portion of the video. Because you like average view 1008 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,520 duration 'cause that's what YouTube likes. 1009 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,240 But also you should like average view duration because you made a 1010 00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:11,000 whole video and you should, not many people go to the movie and 1011 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,800 walk out 30 minutes into it unless it's a really bad movie. 1012 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,520 So like you want people to watch all of your content. 1013 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:22,600 And the difference is versus the movies is on YouTube, there's 1014 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,480 twenty other movies that you can click into in one second right 1015 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,200 on the side of your screen and be in something else. 1016 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:34,560 So that's what makes it tough. I, I just really, I know these 1017 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,560 are probably all super, super boring answers for people who 1018 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,720 just want to like be content creators and stuff like that. 1019 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:47,480 But I, I like watching people grow slowly and the right way. 1020 00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:52,440 Like J Millie could have quit his job pretty early on, but he 1021 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,800 waited for a while. He really wanted to make sure it 1022 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,400 was it. There's another cooking creator 1023 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,720 that I love named Internet Shaquille, who easily, easily 1024 00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:03,520 had the subscriber count and the view counts to go full time for 1025 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,880 a long time and kept his full time job because then he didn't 1026 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,080 have the pressures on him to, to have to create all the time. 1027 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:16,000 He's full time now, but it took him forever and the the goal for 1028 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,720 being a full time content creator is super lofty, but I I 1029 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:24,160 think like doing it for the love of the game for a while and 1030 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,000 really seeing what it turns out to. 1031 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:30,080 It's also like, not to ramble too much here, but if you're 1032 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,880 creating a lot of videos and stuff and making it personally, 1033 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,800 the skill set you get from that is, you know, we're in a digital 1034 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,320 age now. You could probably land a job 1035 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,520 somewhere knowing the insurance and outs of some social media, 1036 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,840 knowing cameras, knowing editing software, knowing how things 1037 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,600 flow. Like that's a hot commodity 1038 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,600 right now. And you might be able to pull 1039 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,640 something off later. It that maybe that isn't disc 1040 00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,280 golf related, but maybe you're doing Robbie C is working at a 1041 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,720 new place now and probably took it all from like, he knows all 1042 00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:05,440 the stuff because he made disc golf content. 1043 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,040 Yeah, yeah, I believe that for sure. 1044 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,360 I I I was I remember how do I say this? 1045 00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,720 I remember when I first started doing this and getting into it 1046 00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:20,320 and people in your social media was still kind of a new thing. 1047 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,360 And then every time I read an article that said video is the 1048 00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,080 king videos more we're going to see video grow by three times. 1049 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,240 I was like, thank God, that's what something I was interested 1050 00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:32,560 in. Thank God I was something that I 1051 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,680 like doing because I feel like I could find a job no matter what 1052 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,440 what what industry I was in. I could find some sort of make a 1053 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,840 video job or do it on my own or something like that. 1054 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,160 So yeah, I agree with you 100%. Let me ask you this. 1055 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:51,720 Sure, AI. Oh man, I well, sorry, continue 1056 00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:54,120 the question. No, just I, just the whole 1057 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:55,080 reaction. So what? 1058 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:55,920 Is it? Yeah. 1059 00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,800 Well, no, just what what? I have a feeling it's going to 1060 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,520 be like the early days of social media and people just hated it. 1061 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,880 It's useless, it's terrible. It's this and that. 1062 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:13,480 And now it's like it's part of our everyday life, right? 1063 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,680 And so I, I have a feeling AI is going to be like, it's already 1064 00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,560 part of our life in a lot of ways that we probably don't even 1065 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,040 realize. But as far as like AI when it 1066 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,520 comes to content creation. What are your thoughts on it? 1067 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,720 OK, I'm in the tech space. I have to talk about AI pretty 1068 00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:30,800 much every week. It is exhausting. 1069 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,960 I think the biggest thing with AI right now is like, people 1070 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,360 hate it because of how many companies are taking advantage 1071 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,520 of just trying to make as much money as possible with very 1072 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,280 little care to the overall world. 1073 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,440 I mean, we all know the environmental impacts of some of 1074 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,160 the stuff that's happening. There's kind of like a gold rush 1075 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:53,080 of it right now. That's sad to see, but there's 1076 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:57,160 obviously a lot of pros of it in terms of tools that people can 1077 00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,760 use when it comes to content creation. 1078 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,800 Just don't let it suck the personality out of what you're 1079 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,880 making. I think that's the biggest issue 1080 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,040 so many people have with it is like, I don't want to see an AI 1081 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:13,120 thumbnail because one, I didn't know you put that much, put put 1082 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,720 too much effort into it because you just wanted to prompt 1083 00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:18,680 something. And two, like it's not actually 1084 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,920 what I'm going to watch in the video. 1085 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,040 It's it's a full recreation of a machine that doesn't really know 1086 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,400 what's going on. So we, we've immediately sucked 1087 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,680 personality out of things and we are all watching content because 1088 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,760 of like I said on one of the first questions you asked here 1089 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,640 is like there's a personal connection to things. 1090 00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:44,600 That's not to say don't use some AI tools like in Photoshop, like 1091 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,560 a content aware fill has gotten so much better because there's 1092 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,000 now some machine learning in the background of learning what the 1093 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,920 picture is. And maybe you can edit that disc 1094 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,800 golf basket into another spot or maybe you can add some more 1095 00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:01,000 trees in a in here or there or just like be able to cut stuff 1096 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,360 out better. I mean, just subject select in 1097 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,800 Photoshop now can save people hours of times of cutting out 1098 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,920 your subject and making them bigger or change the brightness 1099 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:16,480 or color levels of them. So that's super helpful and I 1100 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,640 love that and people can use that. 1101 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,960 But I also don't think it's that much different from things we've 1102 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,680 had in the past. It's just using a different 1103 00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,400 technology to make it a little bit better. 1104 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,520 So use it as a, in my eyes, use it as a tool to enhance the 1105 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,440 personal thing that you're making. 1106 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,640 But if you're just like, I'm going to make content and I 1107 00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,120 don't feel like doing XY and Z, so I'm just going to let AI do 1108 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:37,400 it. You've probably lost the plot 1109 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,120 already and it's going to show in the video. 1110 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,680 Yeah, for sure. I like that. 1111 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,280 Don't take out the personality. I saw this or just this morning 1112 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,560 on X where someone posted AI think it's called seed two or 1113 00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,280 something like that, but I can't remember who it's from. 1114 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,840 Yeah, Seed 2 and that it was a a clip of Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise 1115 00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,120 fighting on the top of the building and it looked so real. 1116 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,200 But someone made a comment and said, this does look, it looks 1117 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,680 very real, like it could really be the movie. 1118 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,200 But the fact that I know that it's AI makes me not impressed. 1119 00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,720 I'd be, I would be impressed if literally Tom Cruise and Brad 1120 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,480 Pitt practiced and rehearsed and put together this sweet fight 1121 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,960 sequence. Then I would be like, whoa, Brad 1122 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,240 Pitt and Tom Cruise. But now it's like, no, someone 1123 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,080 just typed in a prompt and this is what you see. 1124 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:30,160 So it's not as impressive. Yeah, I also like using it for a 1125 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,840 tool sometimes. What I'm trying to envision how 1126 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,520 I want to make a thumbnail of all prompt things to get an idea 1127 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,600 of how things look and how they take up space in a, in a 1128 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:45,040 thumbnail format. And then I make it myself or I 1129 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,960 pose some questions to like what maybe a title could be. 1130 00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,560 And I use those as a jumping off point. 1131 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,480 It's almost like having an, an extra person to bounce ideas off 1132 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,040 of. I still always think getting an 1133 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,920 extra person to bounce ideas off of is better, but maybe that 1134 00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,080 person's sleeping 'cause you were editing till 3:00 AM. 1135 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,240 So there's, there's benefits there. 1136 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,760 But yeah, it personality wise also in terms of it creating 1137 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,640 videos, like you're saying, think of how long the video game 1138 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,160 industry has been around and we can still watch the the new 1139 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,120 highest spec video game, the best graphics ever. 1140 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,080 And you can immediately tell it's a video game because 1141 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,960 someone can't walk up a curb. Well, like, we're so far away 1142 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,000 from being able to actually replicate human things that I 1143 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,440 think, you know, I'm worried about it, but I'm not too, too 1144 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:33,840 worried about it because the, the jump up to actually being at 1145 00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,600 the level of just us as human beings are, is, is such a hard 1146 00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,600 job. Even if in the last five years 1147 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:44,560 we've made this insane leap to get to where we are, we've 1148 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,920 there's still a long way to go. It's crazy. 1149 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,440 It's crazy what it's going to be like in the next 5 years, seeing 1150 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,440 how much it's gone in just five years. 1151 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,160 And so, yeah, well, I don't want to take up too much of your 1152 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,120 time. I appreciate you taking the 1153 00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,240 time, Andrew. But if you have time, as I do on 1154 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,480 the show, if you have any questions you would like to ask 1155 01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,760 for a conversation, I'm I'm ready to answer. 1156 01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,040 Sure, I don't have a question. I can't prepare with something 1157 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,200 else, which maybe isn't that interesting, but I want to 1158 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,840 recommend a disc for you. That's a dynamic disc that I 1159 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,920 never see anyone talk about and that's I it's not just the disc, 1160 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,200 it's the plastic, but the Supreme escape. 1161 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,840 OK, I think might be the most underrated disc in your guys 1162 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,200 lineup. I don't know why I love this 1163 01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,080 disc so much, but it's a nine speed, it's so glidy. 1164 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:36,400 It's like I'm a really hyzer player and it is my like my 1165 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,040 woodsy fairway bomber kind of thing 'cause I can put it on a 1166 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,360 lot of hyzer and it can stand up and just go. 1167 01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,600 My only issue is it's the worst color for the fall, so I have to 1168 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,960 take it out of my bag half of the year. 1169 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,800 But I don't know if you've thrown this one specifically in 1170 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:56,200 Supreme plastic cause Supreme Plastic is fantastic, but I 1171 01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,440 think if you're not throwing it or haven't, you should throw it. 1172 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,320 I have not thrown it I really. Really. 1173 01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,600 Well, for you, yeah. No, I would like I know the 1174 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,200 escape. Is huge already, but in this 1175 01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,080 supreme it is money. OK, so I will tell you kind of 1176 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,840 an inside thing OK that may I think let me double check before 1177 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:18,640 I'm checking my little product page here to make sure I am OK. 1178 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,600 So what we were doing is we are taking, so when we make extreme 1179 01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,560 Supreme, there's a certain, the way the molds work, it has to be 1180 01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,920 a separate mold because we couldn't just take the Escape 1181 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,960 mold. This is the way I understand it. 1182 01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,560 We couldn't take the escaped mold and just put Supreme 1183 01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,040 plastic. It was like they had to do 1184 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,560 something different to create a Supreme Escape, right? 1185 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,800 Well, we're going to take that and actually create a new disc 1186 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,600 of itself. And so it's going to be the mold 1187 01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,120 of the Supreme Escape and it's going to be something brand new, 1188 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,680 OK. And that won't release until the 1189 01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,040 summer time, but I'm excited about it. 1190 01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:57,920 And so that might be something to look for. 1191 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,000 But I I'm going to pick up because I do like the Escape. 1192 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,160 I have a really old beat in one. And so I'll have to try out the 1193 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,160 Supreme Escape. Good. 1194 01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,800 You know, maybe it'll fly like your beat in one already, but 1195 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,480 there's just like out-of-the-box. 1196 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,560 I lost one. I bought 1 again immediately. 1197 01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,840 I don't know why I keep buying in this color because that's why 1198 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,800 I lost it. But yeah, I think this is just a 1199 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,960 money disc and I just don't see anyone throwing it. 1200 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,760 And that's maybe because I don't play with all that many people, 1201 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,200 but I, I don't know, I think it's a great, great disc. 1202 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,360 Nice. Well, let me ask. 1203 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,120 Well, I, I was just listening to your, your appearance on Fun Z 1204 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,920 podcast from about a about a year ago and you had mentioned, 1205 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,640 and I don't know if this is still a thing where you're like, 1206 01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:45,920 Hey, I'll give you some YouTube advice in exchange for discs. 1207 01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,360 I was peddling, yeah, my, you know, I just like to give You 1208 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,840 Tube advice. So it mostly will come down to 1209 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,360 time. But if people are out there 1210 01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,760 wanting to make stuff like I check my D Ms. a lot on 1211 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,320 Instagram and I'll probably respond in some way. 1212 01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,440 If you want to send, if anyone wants to send me discs, I'm 1213 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,800 here. I'm thinking about me. 1214 01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,280 I'll send you some discs bro. You want to send me some discs? 1215 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:12,120 I'll definitely. Yeah, Yeah. 1216 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,600 I like dynamic. I actually, my other dynamic 1217 01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,480 that I use is, do you remember I reached out a while ago, I saw 1218 01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,720 this. You guys were, I don't know if 1219 01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:26,880 you were sponsoring this Alaskan tournament, but I'm my dad was a 1220 01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,760 big fan of just the animal, the moose, yes. 1221 01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,160 Yes. You guys had this sweet stamp. 1222 01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,000 I was like, I need that. Bobby, please, if you know 1223 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,360 everyone and you, you had me reach out to someone in Texas. 1224 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,160 Super, super nice guy. I got a Heist and the retooled 1225 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,000 Emac Truth, and I use the Emac Truth. 1226 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:48,040 The stamp is just so good. But yeah, listen, I'm always 1227 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,960 open for discs. I don't know, for my game, I 1228 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,440 probably should stop throwing more and just throw the ones 1229 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,560 that I have. But I also, we're all disc 1230 01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,880 golfers. We like to throw new things. 1231 01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,680 So I'm always down to try new stuff out. 1232 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,400 Yeah, yeah, I definitely need some advice on our on our 1233 01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,600 dynamic disk channel, so maybe we can work something. 1234 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,000 Else, I mean, you've got my contact. 1235 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:10,560 Do you Hit me up whenever you need? 1236 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,000 Cool. And I'm the same way as far as 1237 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:17,680 my bag being someone that has to be able to talk about our disks. 1238 01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,800 Yeah, I have to be careful because I'll have a new bag 1239 01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,480 every two months if I'm if I'm not careful just trying out new, 1240 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,280 new disk and stuff like that. So, but anyway, all right, 1241 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,160 Andrew, I, I appreciate you being on the show. 1242 01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,920 I know we kind of went on different tangents, but I just 1243 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,120 love having a conversation about disc golf and content. 1244 01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:35,920 So I appreciate you hopping on and doing that with me. 1245 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,440 Yeah, of course. And I've, I've appreciated all 1246 01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,360 the content creators you had on because like I said, I like both 1247 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,200 of them. So I've listened to all of them. 1248 01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:48,000 I mean, you're pulling in some great like getting Kmac on here. 1249 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,880 I know him like some more, I don't want to call them 1250 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,400 underground, but maybe lesser known people. 1251 01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,960 And, and I think there's some people out there making some 1252 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,800 really, really quality content that people don't really know 1253 01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,840 about yet. You got Luke Jenkins on. 1254 01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,560 I love his channel and I think no one really knows about him 1255 01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,320 so. He's he's hilarious and I love 1256 01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,440 his vibe. He's just got to like a feel 1257 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,440 good, just want to have a good time and be a good person vibe 1258 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,680 and I love it. It makes me wish there was a 1259 01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,640 single disc golf store anywhere near me and I would be in a used 1260 01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,080 you spin rack every single day. Probably, but I don't. 1261 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,360 That's why I have to go to the Expo every year because that's 1262 01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,400 the only time I get to like, touch frisbees other than 1263 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,440 ordering them online. You're not going to, you 1264 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,720 probably can't make it out to the Disc S 1, can you? 1265 01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,080 Too far, unfortunately, yeah. Yeah. 1266 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,080 Oh, well, no worries. Yeah. 1267 01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,800 I love talking to people in the disc golf industry. 1268 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,040 So right now I'm doing the social content or the content 1269 01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:38,480 creators. But pretty soon I want to start 1270 01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,640 talking to some tournament directors and store owners 1271 01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,400 because I believe that everybody's got a nice, a great 1272 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:46,960 perspective. They have their own perspective. 1273 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,680 And I think that's helpful to know other people's perspective. 1274 01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,080 Yeah, for sure. So, all right, again, thanks so 1275 01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:54,320 much, Andrew. I'll let you get back to your 1276 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:55,520 day. I appreciate you and I'll talk 1277 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,520 to you there later. Cool, thanks so much for having 1278 01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:57,640 me.