1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:06,960 Hey everybody, welcome to this episode of the Disc Golf Answer 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,000 Man. I'm Bobby Cool daddy, Slick 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,280 Breeze and I have a special team episode where I got a group of 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,520 guys together so we can talk about kind of a 2025 year wrap 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,320 up to see how how they're feeling about disc golf, about 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,400 their disc golf game and just kind of get to know them kind of 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,120 like a round table we got going on. 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,080 So I got Ryan, Brent and Marshall. 9 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:27,080 And first of all, we'll start off. 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,120 We'll start off with Ryan. Tell us a little bit about 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,960 yourself, Ryan. Yeah, so my name is Ryan. 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,000 I have been playing for about 7 years. 13 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,160 I live in the northwest corner of Indiana. 14 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:41,800 For those of you who may know, I'm about 10 minutes from Lemon 15 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,480 Lake, which hosted 2010 and 2013 Worlds I believe. 16 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,760 So I do a bunch of stuff there, play a bunch of tournaments 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,160 there, and then I'm about an hour away from the canyons at 18 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:57,040 Dellwood, so that's another one of my places I love to be and 19 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,480 love to play. Nice. 20 00:00:58,480 --> 00:00:59,920 Well, thanks for coming on. What about you, Brent? 21 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:04,239 Tell us a little about yourself. Brent Ruder been playing for 22 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:09,000 just about 8 years now. O run Co own Rock River Disc 23 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,280 Golf with my wife Nora Ruder who is on team West side just 24 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,680 building courses constantly trying to grow the sport in 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,760 Mississippi Park. 1982 built by the great Terry Batten. 26 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,760 That's kind of our home course, but to other than that EMAC came 27 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:31,960 out in 2018, actually designed a course for us, Lowell Park. 28 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:35,040 So we have a nine hole designed EMAC course here in our local 29 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,200 town. So that's kind of what really 30 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,040 introduced me to disc golf, introduced me to dynamic disc 31 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,960 and has kept me there since. So just happy to be here. 32 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:45,800 Very cool. Thanks for joining us. 33 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,520 And that beautiful beard from Marshall. 34 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,720 Tell us about that beard and what what you got going on. 35 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,800 All right. Thanks, Bobby, for having me. 36 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,320 Yeah, this Marshall, I'm from Tallahassee, FL. 37 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,480 Not much going on here lately, but I am part of the Southeast 38 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,840 disc golf events in Tallahassee, FL. 39 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,360 We run all the tournaments in the Northwest, North Florida, 40 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:10,400 South Georgia area that we can. So Tom Brown, everybody kind of 41 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,120 knows Tom Brown Disc Golf Course. 42 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,880 We have held a disc Golf Pro Tour event here in the last year 43 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,680 and course team member Dave Mateen was the course designer. 44 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,320 Very cool. Again, thank you guys for being 45 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:23,840 on the show. Real quick, I thought about 46 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,120 this. I know this isn't one on the 47 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,200 agenda that I sent you guys, but I know Brent, you were telling 48 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,840 telling us about your little disc golf man cave you got going 49 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,040 on there. Tell us what's going on because 50 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,000 you definitely got a little man cave going on. 51 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,880 Yeah, I mean, so my brother a few years ago he he essentially 52 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,280 started vending tournaments while we were building courses 53 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,040 and doing all the things. So he moved away about a year 54 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,280 and a half two years ago, left me with about 1000 discs. 55 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,800 So I've I've got a lot behind me. 56 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,280 But then also, you know, the brick and mortar that recently 57 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,480 opened. But you know, something that I 58 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,240 really like. Let me just show you this here 59 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,520 because this is something I won these at a raffle points 60 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,160 champion, some of these bobble heads. 61 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,600 So this is Ricky. These are just, you know, but 62 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,840 yeah, just essentially got to like I was saying earlier, I got 63 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,760 a got a chance to kind of bust out some memorabilia and some 64 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,880 other cool stuff that I kind of forgot I had. 65 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,160 So just happy to get it all kind of put out and and, and you 66 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,600 know, just to get to go through it again was really cool so. 67 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,080 Very cool. I'm not going to lie, at first I 68 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,120 thought it was Mark Zuckerberg. I was like, why would you get 69 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,240 Mark Zuckerberg? It looks nothing like Ricky and 70 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:34,360 Paul. There's the Paul. 71 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,160 Hold on. Let me show you Paul's. 72 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,160 Just let me show you Paul's. Paul's is great. 73 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,400 Paul Macbeth 2016 Tour champion. I mean, let's see if I can get a 74 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,240 good like. Just. 75 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,920 There we go, hair. OK, maybe that air looks like 76 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:49,720 them. Yeah, for sure. 77 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,120 Yeah, like, but they're just, they're great. 78 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,040 They really are so. That's awesome. 79 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:55,520 That's awesome. Now I knew. 80 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,880 I know. Ryan, I can see you have a 81 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,760 little bit of a man cave going on there too. 82 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,760 Do you have any rare discs or any special finds? 83 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,560 I mean I got like a lot of Rudus if I just turn my camera here I 84 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,640 got 8 racks. Oh my. 85 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,880 We saw the half of the one. Yeah, and then I got more. 86 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,560 I got more. Down to my left you can see 87 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:17,880 another rack. Can you see it a little bit? 88 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,839 Yeah. I got some. 89 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,200 I got some sweet fines, actually. 90 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:24,280 I'll show you my coolest one. Real. 91 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:25,240 Quick Yeah, yeah, yeah. What you got? 92 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,000 Actually, I'll show you my. We all know exactly where it is. 93 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,720 So first one this was this is the first time I ever met Ricky. 94 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,800 I got a nice slammer signed by him. 95 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,920 This is at Ledgestone. Yeah, Yep. 96 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,640 So that was kind of cool. I waited in line for two hours 97 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,560 for that, actually. Well, I waited in line for like 98 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,600 30 minutes. My mom waited in line for two 99 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,280 hours so. That's a good mom. 100 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:50,240 That's a good mom, right? There and then I got another 101 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,560 one. They sent us these proto 102 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,760 distance drivers. I got that one signed too. 103 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,160 So that's not sick. Those kind of just stay on my 104 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,600 wall as like, just things to remember. 105 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,120 You know, absolutely. Hi. 106 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,640 Sorry, Marshall, I don't. I don't know that you have 107 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,480 anything from your kitchen you want to show I. 108 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,480 Have the kitchen if somebody would like to see something I 109 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,320 got in the refrigerator. I mean, that's about it, yeah. 110 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:09,440 That's OK. No worries. 111 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,720 Maybe we'll have you bring on some of some of your collection 112 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,560 from I mean. There is a beetle right there 113 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,600 over my right shoulder. I mean, sitting on the counter. 114 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,640 We can't go wrong with a beetle. That's hilarious. 115 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:23,040 So all right, well, I had talked to the guys before we went on 116 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,720 the show and told because I wanted to do this kind of a, you 117 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,120 know, winding down the year, winding down 2025. 118 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,440 And I wanted to see, you know what, what, what are some stuff 119 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,680 that has changed for you as far as disc golf in 2025? 120 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,640 Did you play last? Did you play more? 121 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,080 Let's start with you, Brent. What what what was going on for 122 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:45,640 you in 2025 with in disc golf? Honestly, the biggest change for 123 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:50,680 me in disc golf for my game this year was easily my son Huey last 124 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,040 golf more diapers. Just you know, taking care of 125 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,680 him. He's, he's going to be 10 months 126 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:02,000 old on Christmas, so got him his PDJ number first day he was born 127 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,040 though, so he's ready to go. And but yeah, that's really what 128 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,480 my 2025. I unfortunately didn't get to 129 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:13,120 play as much golf as I wanted, but but looking forward to 130 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,240 continuing to, like I said, grow the sport and, and as we get 131 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,840 into the conversation more, I've got some more stuff, you know, 132 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:23,040 that we got planned for 20/26 and, and continuing into 2020 133 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,840 sevens. Very cool. 134 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:30,120 Now, Marshall, as far as like, because I, I came back to 135 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,600 dynamic disc about six months ago, so I had to kind of relearn 136 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,440 what was going on in the disc golf scene. 137 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,000 So I was still kind of from the outside watching things 138 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,800 happening as far as like recovering from the pandemic and 139 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,080 people are like courses are slowing down. 140 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,120 What did it? What was it like in 2025 in your 141 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,080 area as far as courses and events? 142 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:55,600 For Tallahassee, I mean, we we have had less people playing for 143 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,600 the most part. If we if we do a tournament, we 144 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,160 don't have the numbers, but we're still running a lot of 145 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,120 tournaments between Tallahassee. Our local clubs in Panama City, 146 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,640 Marianna almost Feel, Valdosta, Tifton, Gainesville. 147 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,040 Of course you have Chris Clark over there. 148 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,960 I mean, we're still running a lot of tournaments. 149 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:18,120 I mean, I think this year we ran 17 tournaments in the 150 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:23,720 Tallahassee area, just us and you, you combine Mariana runs 9 151 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,360 or 10 a year, Panama City runs 3 or 4. 152 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,480 So I mean, there's a lot of tournaments that go on in this 153 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,440 area. And we usually, I mean, we're 154 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:36,000 anywhere from, you know, on AC tier, we'll get 70 to 80 a tier. 155 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,560 We get 100 to 115 somewhere in there. 156 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:39,880 So I mean, it's been pretty good. 157 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,760 I mean, we've had still have a lot of people playing. 158 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,520 I mean, it's nowhere near the the COVID numbers where, you 159 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,560 know, a tournament filled up right away. 160 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,960 I mean, we're still struggling at the end to get people to play 161 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:51,920 in it. But other than that, it's been 162 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,840 pretty good. Do you find that the the average 163 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,480 player that signs up now are still from like 5-6 seven years 164 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,520 ago or are you getting people that are like been in disc golf 165 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,320 for three years still getting the new people? 166 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,360 It's probably it's, I still say we have a good mix of the old, I 167 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,280 say the old guard that used to play all the time. 168 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,160 But we do have a lot, a lot of new people that show up that it 169 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,160 may be their first tournament, maybe their fifth tournament, 170 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,720 but they so it's been a pretty decent mix. 171 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,000 Nice. Now, Ryan, let's talk a little 172 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,960 bit more about your experience in what's going on in 2025. 173 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,960 Anything as far as like your play, like things you worked on 174 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,840 that you were able to, you know, accomplish in 2025? 175 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,480 Yeah. So a big thing that I worked on 176 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,080 just based on like my game was like distance in my forehand. 177 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,760 At least I'd say for the last like 3 years I've been stuck at 178 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,240 like 320. And while that's like 179 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,640 manageable, it can get like a little annoying at sometimes 180 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,920 having to feel like back hands when you can still a forehand. 181 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,240 But yeah, I, I mean, I could put about 380 now on forehand. 182 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,040 So that's getting much better. And going off of what you're 183 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,240 talking about with Marshall, especially around my area, like 184 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:05,800 there's been an insane like growth of like amount of people 185 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,160 that are playing. I feel like the general like 186 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,600 consensus around the sport right now is that it's kind of like 187 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,080 trickling off. But I honestly don't think, I 188 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,760 don't think that's true because like around my area, there used 189 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,880 to be like not many people. I'd go to the course and I'd see 190 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,240 no one sometimes. And now sometimes I go to the 191 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,960 course and it takes 4 hours to play the short keys because 192 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,680 there's so many people. And so I don't know if that that 193 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:31,520 might just be like an area thing, but I've seen like a 194 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,400 crazy growth, especially at like local places. 195 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,520 Yeah, I think it's that's an interesting point because it 196 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,200 feels like we keep talking about and I even I don't know, when I 197 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,800 say we, I mean, I I hear it in other podcasts where, you know, 198 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,360 have we hit the bottom? Have we finally, you know, 199 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,240 brushed off COVID or whatever, you know, you want to say in it. 200 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:54,640 And it is when I talk locally, it does seem like people are 201 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,320 like, well, you know, we have we still have a nice size group of 202 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:59,800 people show up to play disc golf. 203 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,640 A lot of people discovering it. We still see a rise in certain 204 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,600 areas. So yeah, I think it could maybe 205 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,320 it could be something locally. What about you, Brent? 206 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,720 What are you kind of feeling as far as when you go to A? 207 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,680 No, I'm glad we're talking about this because actually for us it, 208 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,200 it's affected our area substantially because so we have 209 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,520 a page park as an 18 hole kind of a shorter course in the 210 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:27,560 middle of Dixon here in town. We had to pull all 18 baskets 211 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:32,400 out July of this past year of 2025 because we have a $12 212 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:37,160 million walking bridge and multi purpose path getting built like 213 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:38,960 literally in the middle of the course. 214 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,320 So it was very unsafe for the, you know, I mean, to the point 215 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,440 where one basket was like 4 feet away from like a 20 foot drop 216 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,120 off that they, you know, cut a path through the through the 217 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,720 kind of landscape there. So we essentially pulled all 18 218 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,720 baskets and we're kind of waiting until we can kind of get 219 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,120 let back in there. Now that course was right next 220 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,560 to our high school, the heart of our town. 221 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,720 It averaged almost 250 rounds of disc golf every single month. 222 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,480 And that's just you dis right. So when I'm showing those 223 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,200 numbers to the park district into the community, you know, I 224 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,280 like to say those are maybe half of what's truly representative 225 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:16,480 of the people that are playing there. 226 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,440 So that's kind of affected, I guess the growth of the sport 227 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,120 specifically in our area because that course is is no longer 228 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,520 there. So in our area, it's kind of 229 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:32,240 died out where during COVID and kind of up until this past year, 230 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,640 we've really grown it done a substantial job. 231 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,400 Stanford well job of of just growing other little nine holes 232 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,680 in the area to introduce new disc golfers. 233 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,720 And then providing, you know, some of those kind of tournament 234 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,920 in a box scenarios so that they can come out and feel 235 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,400 comfortable playing their first event, getting their PDJ, you 236 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,880 know, maybe paying the extra 15 to get there, you know, pay 237 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,520 that, that flex tier CT or what not. 238 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,280 But yeah, the, the I, I'm very much looking forward to 2026. 239 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,800 The idea is to kind of ribbon cut, you know, a potentially new 240 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:13,120 course and it kind of reopen it. So yeah, I mean, it's it, it 241 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,720 really has affected our area just by simply pulling out the 242 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,400 baskets just because of a of a project. 243 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,640 But in due time, the projects going to be worth it. 244 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,760 It's going to be beautiful for our city, for our community and 245 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,160 then again runs the the course will essentially intersect 246 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,600 directly with the path. So just looking. 247 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,360 Forward to that it does seem like and I know it seems like a 248 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,600 simple or like a duh moment or a duh statement, but like the 249 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,160 infrastructure really helps as far as the growth in your area. 250 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,880 So if you got some, you know, if your courses are affected like 251 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,400 yours were, it's getting, you know, changed because of, you 252 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,120 know, the better good for the for the town or whatever is 253 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,400 going on there. But it's really important to get 254 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,560 courses. And so that's my way of plugging 255 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:57,160 our guy Eric McCabe and McCabe champion courses. 256 00:12:57,560 --> 00:13:01,240 So if you're if your town or in fact here in Broken Arrow, my 257 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,880 wife showed me some survey they had sent out to the town and I 258 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,480 think it was around 60. Some percent said either disc 259 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,720 golf is very important, important or somewhat important 260 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,080 to bring into our area. And I told Eric so he could 261 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,600 reach out. So like if you're in an area and 262 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,920 you've heard something about maybe a disc golf course going 263 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,480 in your area, that's what's going to help grow the sport is 264 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,040 having more disc golf courses in your area for sure. 265 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:30,400 So to that extent, as far as now that we're talking about kind of 266 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,040 the growth, another topic that popped in my head is they just 267 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,680 recently released the Disc Golf Pro Tour as far as like the the 268 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:39,880 cost to actually go watch an event. 269 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,120 So I want you guys to think about, I'm going to start with 270 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,320 you, Marshall. What, how important do you think 271 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,200 do you feel in the in your local area, in your dealings, the 272 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,800 people that you talk to, the events that you go to? 273 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,920 How important is the Disc Golf Pro Tour when it comes to 274 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,120 helping grow the sport? That's a good one. 275 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,920 I think it's it's kind of mixed. I mean, here in this area, I 276 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,080 mean you have a lot of people that are watching it, but I 277 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,720 don't know if we have a lot of people that are actually getting 278 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,360 on the road and traveling for say, you know, for us that mean 279 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,680 the closest one would be Brooksville and, and you're at a 280 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:19,200 little over 4 hours to get there. 281 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,840 And I know probably two or three people that will actually go and 282 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,560 drive down there to watch the event. 283 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,160 I think we have more locally that are watching whether it's, 284 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,760 you know, the tape delay or live. 285 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,920 I know myself that's I'm watching live every weekend, but 286 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,400 you know, I don't know. I mean, I think that's a that's 287 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,080 a good, good question to to ponder on, to figure out. 288 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,920 I mean it it what it is or if it's, you know, however honest. 289 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,600 I know it's and it's hard to measure that. 290 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,560 I mean, it's, it's obvious, it's important. 291 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,760 It's important for people to be able to watch the great guys of 292 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,800 our they're great guys that the the guys that excel at our 293 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,040 sports important to to be able to watch that and to get people 294 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,560 hyped up and excited. So I think it's important. 295 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,800 So I'm not trying to throw any shade on them or or say that 296 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,160 they're not important. I think it is. 297 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,120 But Ryan, how do you watch? Do you watch a lot of events? 298 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,520 Do you watch a lot of the coverage? 299 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,480 Yeah, so I pretty much try to watch every event because one, I 300 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,560 can learn things from that and I just get to see like really good 301 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:22,440 players and a really good courses In terms of like I think 302 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,840 the disc golf pro Tour honestly might be one of the most 303 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,440 important things in like the way to grow the sport because media 304 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,520 is like huge in terms of growing the sport because that's how you 305 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,560 reach the most people. And also going back to the 306 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:42,560 ticket sales part of thing, I know that some people have 307 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,760 complained in the past about like the price of tickets to go 308 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,680 watch. And I think I almost had this 309 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:54,960 like slight idea if you lower, like if you're paying like let's 310 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,280 just say you're paying like $10 a person to get into a pro to 311 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,200 event as opposed to like 25 or 30, which I think it was last 312 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,920 year. I'm not 100% sure. 313 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:10,200 But if you're paying like $10 to get in someone who maybe doesn't 314 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,920 know the sport or hasn't played before, they might be like, oh, 315 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,280 $10, OK, cool. Like let's go watch that. 316 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:16,560 Like that might be really awesome. 317 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,960 And the other thing is like if you if your ticket. 318 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,440 Price is low. Your budget of spending for like 319 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,720 the vendors inside might go up, whereas if you pay like a high 320 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,640 ticket price, you might just be like, oh, I don't want to buy 321 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,640 this because I already paid so much to get in. 322 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:39,440 So I think that adjusting ticket price could grow like different 323 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,040 parts. And I think there's an equal 324 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,400 balance that they should definitely try to figure out. 325 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,360 Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure there's a lot trying to they go into as 326 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,000 far as figuring out the balance between making it affordable and 327 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:56,200 then obviously helping them bring the the event to that 328 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,920 actual city and stuff like that. All right, let's let's kind of 329 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:01,400 switch gears. I had this question. 330 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,360 I want to see if you guys, what you guys come up with. 331 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,760 Brent, we'll start with you. What's the biggest lie you told 332 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,280 about yourself, about your game in 2025? 333 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,119 That I'd finally practiced pudding spoiler. 334 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,240 I didn't. We posted like I like to joke 335 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,280 and when I tell people I'm like, I own too many baskets to be 336 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,880 this bad at putty. And it's just, it's just funny 337 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,280 because I just, you know, and I don't have the time. 338 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,240 I'm, I'm very busy doing other things and, and I'm now to the 339 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,120 point where I'm like, that's OK. You know, I'm when I'm, when I'm 340 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:37,080 ready, I'll get there. But yeah, that's probably it. 341 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,760 I I really that was on my To Do List and it just didn't happen 342 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,000 so. I'm assuming that probably 343 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,680 showed up in your scores. Yeah, a little bit. 344 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,080 Like I said though, I didn't have a whole lot of time to play 345 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,760 a lot of competitive. I did have time to put on some 346 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,200 events, but that was kind of a whole different mindset there 347 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,520 too because having a son and then, you know, he attended 348 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,920 pretty much every event with us. So it was kind of, you know, not 349 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,440 only planning the event, but planning what I needed for him 350 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,240 for the day and things that. And so again, I didn't get to 351 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,600 compete as much as I wanted, but you know. 352 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,040 It's all right. What about you, Ryan? 353 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:12,400 What's the biggest lie you told yourself in 2025? 354 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,920 I always tell myself that I can play well in the cold and I 355 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,840 always prove myself wrong. For those of you who haven't 356 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,680 played in 30° before, 1, it's awful. 357 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,200 And two, I come in always thinking like, all right, it's 358 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,560 fine, I can shoot well, and then I'm like 10 holes in and I'm 359 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:38,160 like, why am I out here? So yeah, playing in the cold is 360 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,280 not fun. And I always fool myself every 361 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,200 time all. Right, Marshall, what'd you come 362 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,520 up with? Well, it's kind of like Brent I 363 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,920 did was going to do a lot of putting and that kind of took 364 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,920 the the back burner. But I really told myself that I 365 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,320 was going to play in more events. 366 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,560 I mean, as of last year, I was like, man, I'm, you know, I'm 367 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,880 going to play in 12 or 15 events. 368 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,920 I'm going to hit a couple of a tears next year. 369 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,000 And our schedule got put together for what we were going 370 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,120 to run this year. And I think I ended up running 371 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:10,240 20 events this year and then of course, traveling to Emporia to 372 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,560 do junior worlds. And it was then deciding that I 373 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,960 was going to retire and move, downsize my house. 374 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,000 A lot of things took the back burner that just didn't get to 375 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,000 do want to do. So I mean, really it was just I 376 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,640 was going to play more, but that didn't happen. 377 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,160 Yeah, I would say that's probably my biggest thing is 378 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,520 that I tell myself I want to play more and then something 379 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,160 always comes up, some family, something work. 380 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,120 Even though I work in disc golf, which is funny, but I don't get, 381 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:39,840 I don't necessarily get paid to play disc golf like top players 382 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,160 do, but I get played to have fun on video and play some disc 383 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,440 golf, but not not not every day all the time. 384 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,920 So I definitely want to try to place them more in 2026 because 385 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,000 I did not do that in in 2025. S 1 of you had mentioned 386 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,120 something about casual versus tournament. 387 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:58,640 So I wanted to, that's something that I recently did a video 388 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,040 where I talked about it's important to play a tournament, 389 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:06,840 but that most people that I have spoken to like they, in fact, 390 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,960 some of the comments on the post I made on the page said they 391 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,440 don't play tournaments. So I know you guys are more, you 392 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,400 know, probably more on the competitive side, but like how 393 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,880 important is tournament play versus casual? 394 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:22,920 What do you, what do you think, Brent? 395 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,360 Yeah. So we do a weekly league on 396 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:29,440 Mondays, we Co hosted on Wednesdays and then we do a Co 397 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:34,080 host on Friday sometimes as well, just helping out AT and 398 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,360 one's in our town, one's in Sterling and 1 is in Walnut. 399 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,840 So we have a ton of people that come out to weekly play that 400 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,720 I've never see play a single tournament. 401 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,000 And that's what they enjoy doing. 402 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,160 They come out they they love throwing the disc around and 403 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,040 they love the random draw, double S the the low cost and 404 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,440 all involved with that. But, but then just recently to 405 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,320 another individual in our area hosted just an amateur only 406 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,280 tournament and a lot of people signed up for it for it because 407 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:09,240 it was just MA three MA 4. And, and, and, and you had a lot 408 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,040 of people that didn't have their PDJ number that just wanted to 409 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,160 play a tournament because it was at a small local 9 hole that 410 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,080 they felt comfortable at. So that that was their first 411 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,320 tournament, you know, kind of thing. 412 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,960 So I think they're both equally as important, but I think you 413 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,600 just have to kind of hopefully in everybody's area, try to 414 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,080 offer both. You know, I think, you know, 415 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,320 kind of tournament in a box kind of what DD offers or what kind 416 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,040 of, you know, your veterans or vets or your back in the day 417 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,160 when they used to do what was like the the amateur double S, 418 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,520 you know, or the match play tournament championships and 419 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,360 stuff like that. I just love those things because 420 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:50,480 they're so easy for people to kind of come out and that be 421 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,360 their first kind of introduction to tournament play, and then 422 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:56,120 they get them, you know, the bug from there. 423 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,400 Yeah. Now, Ryan, last year you played, 424 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,560 it looks like you played about 23 tournaments, quite a few A A 425 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,440 tiers, B tiers and and Disco Pro Tour Elite series. 426 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,080 So your mindset's a bit different I would assume as far 427 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,600 as when you get out and play or, or do you, maybe you do you get 428 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,800 out and just say I'm just going to play casually or most times 429 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,080 you get out. Is it you practicing for a big 430 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,760 tournament? Yeah. 431 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,280 So the way I normally play is like practice rounds are like 432 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,160 complete casual. Like there's nothing, there's 433 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,800 nothing really I do in casual rounds to like besides like 434 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,280 practice the course to like prepare for like a tournament 435 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,760 setting. I think that just getting as 436 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:41,840 much practice in as possible is what's going to help you do well 437 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,360 at tournaments. And yeah, I mean, everything I 438 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:47,600 do outside of tournaments is pretty much just casual, which I 439 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,840 think is really fun. And another thing I love about 440 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,000 disc golf is that, like, you don't have to be at any certain 441 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,520 skill level to be able to play a tournament. 442 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,840 I feel like a lot of other sports, like you have to be 443 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,600 like, good enough to like, play. But disc golf really offers 444 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,040 like, anything for anyone. And if you just want to play 445 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,560 casually like, that's fine too. What's kind of your mindset 446 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:14,680 going into or how would you explain to somebody the I guess 447 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,960 what, what goes on in your mind when you're playing a tournament 448 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:22,160 versus casual? I mean, I know every shot counts 449 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,920 obviously, because in casual you can throw again if you messed 450 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,480 up, but you know, in tournament you can't. 451 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,000 So how do you kind of work yourself through that mindset 452 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,360 when it you know it's time to turn it on for tournament? 453 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,720 Yeah, so one of the biggest things I do is just try to make 454 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,720 the tournament feel like a practice round. 455 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,640 Whenever I'm playing with like people I really know, I tend to 456 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,600 play with much better because I can like, talk to them. 457 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,400 I can like, interact outside of like the actual game, which I 458 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,000 find fun. To me, it helps me play better. 459 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:59,000 But in terms of like focusing on every shot, most of my practice 460 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,520 rounds, even though they're casual rounds, like I will only 461 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,200 throw one shot per hole, like I'll keep my like actual score 462 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,320 pretty much every round. So I think that helps a lot. 463 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,280 And then in the end, it's just practice. 464 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:15,560 I mean, the more you play, the more you'll get used to like 465 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,040 every shot counting. I normally play worse at the 466 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,880 beginning of the year just because I haven't done it in a 467 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,360 while. And then eventually you just get 468 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:25,640 used to it, which is nice. Yeah, Let's move on to the next 469 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,120 question I had for you guys, so we can kind of get a different 470 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:31,320 discussion. The question was what course or 471 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,320 hole taught you the most this year? 472 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,760 You got a story for us, Marshall. 473 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,280 Well, by not getting to play a lot, I didn't didn't really have 474 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,280 a hole that kind of, you know, our course that taught me. 475 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,080 I did. I did learn a lot when I was out 476 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,720 in Emporia getting to play Jones E. 477 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,640 That was kind of fun getting to play a course where the wind 478 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,640 blows and it was 100 and something degrees when we were 479 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,000 out there. But you had to learn to, you 480 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,840 know, just to to fight through it when it was hot and just, you 481 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,520 know, learning to play, you know, different shots that we 482 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,520 don't have in North Florida that y'all have out there. 483 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:14,120 What about you, Brent? Kind of back to, well, first 484 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:17,920 I'll say, I mean, I live an hour and a half just north of 485 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,600 Northwood Black. So, you know, I go down there 486 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,080 and get to play that every once in a while, try to go down and 487 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,920 play a couple rounds and beat myself up or, you know, humble 488 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,320 myself. I guess I was like, I had like a 489 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,680 45 footer on hole 12 for a birdie. 490 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,560 And I felt real good about that. That was like, you know, but it 491 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,960 just taught me to be patient, taught me to, you know, really 492 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,680 disc down, you know, and, and throw fairways, throw it 493 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,800 straight, hit your gaps, hit your lines. 494 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,680 But but then back to Page Park too, and, and having to pull the 495 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,680 baskets and, you know, seeing the impact that that had in our 496 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,280 community as far as, you know, the foot traffic and disc golf 497 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,720 and the rounds played and kind of just taught me resilience, 498 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,600 patience, you know, how to adapt to change, just, you know, how 499 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,160 to look forward to the future too. 500 00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:10,120 And like you said, too, with the infrastructure and everything 501 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:13,640 that's getting built, it's just going to add that much more, you 502 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,000 know, added features to it that are just going to make it, you 503 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,800 know, really set it apart from from other local courses in our 504 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,160 area. So I'm looking forward to. 505 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:24,360 That gotcha Ryan, do you have a blow up hole or anything like 506 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:25,640 that? Taught you a big lesson. 507 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,240 Oh, I've had plenty. My, my answer was literally 508 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,560 exactly the same as Brent. Northwood Black is about 2 1/2 509 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,960 hours from my house. I probably play at least 20 to 510 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,680 25 rounds there a year. And it basically just, it 511 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,720 teaches me every time. You don't, you don't have to go 512 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,520 for the aggressive shot. There's no reason. 513 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:51,120 Just keep it in the middle and you'll be all right. 514 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:57,880 Yeah. 20/20/2024 Ledgestone I played Northwood Black pouring 515 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,120 rain five hours. It was awful and I took a 10 on 516 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:05,440 hole 14. First ever time I've taken 517 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,160 double digits and that was an interesting experience for me. 518 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,640 What Did it teach you a lesson or did it just make you mad? 519 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:17,120 It taught me a lesson in that Northwood Black in the pouring 520 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:21,680 rain does not go well. I bet not. 521 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,320 Yeah, very cool. All right, So what do you guys 522 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,040 want to see change in disc golf for 2026? 523 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,440 Is it, is it something with the gear? 524 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,880 Is it the course design shift, maybe a tournament rule change? 525 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:41,040 What do you think, Brent? I I really like the way 526 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,160 everything's kind of heading and continuing to head, but I think 527 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:50,040 continuing with more bigger sponsors in 2026, but but more 528 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,200 or less sponsors that respect the grassroots side of it too, 529 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,840 or have, you know, similar values or similar missions. 530 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,440 I thought LL Bean was a great kind of sponsor create kind of 531 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,080 thing to see. And I know it's, you know, me 532 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,560 the only being kind of around in the sport eight years or so. 533 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,040 It's, it's sometimes weird just like look back further than that 534 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,640 and see, you know, some of those bigger name sponsors, Adidas and 535 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,760 just, you know, and, and things like that that existed, but that 536 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,800 meant more or less you don't see so much anymore. 537 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,280 But I think just kind of some of that. 538 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,280 But again, like I said, remaining that with that 539 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,960 grassroots kind of, you know, just feeling to it, because I 540 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,200 think that's really what what matters at at the end of the day 541 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,520 is just trying to, you know, community and and involving 542 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,000 everyone and, you know, doing our best to support every walk 543 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,480 of life. What are you Marshall? 544 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,000 Something you want to see change? 545 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,240 I would like to see a lot of the pros that maybe decide to not 546 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,040 you know, play as many of the big event or I'm not saying big 547 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,440 of it, to start playing more local A tier events to get out 548 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,840 of. I understand that there's more 549 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,280 money in the actual pro tour events, but I would love to see 550 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,160 them get out, especially some of the larger names like they used 551 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,800 to do prior to I'd say probably 20/22/21. 552 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,000 They used to play a lot more of your local A tiers and I'd like 553 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,640 to see I'd really like to see that. 554 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,280 I mean, I think that's really big for the areas. 555 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,320 I mean it take for us, I'm not just Tooting our horn, but you 556 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,200 know, in Tallahassee, I mean, I would you know it, we used to 557 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,600 have some of the larger names that came through here. 558 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,120 I mean, even we were AB tier and then now you're you know, we 559 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,320 still have some some of the bigger guys and girls that come 560 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,080 here, but we just don't have the larger names. 561 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,880 I think that's really needed for disc golf is, you know, even if 562 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,800 the Tour had a couple of less stops and let the Tour players 563 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,320 go and focus on playing some of the local 8 years. 564 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,280 Yeah, I bet. Yeah, I do remember that that 565 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,720 that was a thing back in the day was more the top names as they 566 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,200 were traveling through towns to the next big, what we call them 567 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,520 NTS. Back then, the national tour, 568 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,360 the NTS, they would stop and play some local events. 569 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,600 What about you, Rhyme? What do you want to see change? 570 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,720 One of the things I'd like to see change eventually. 571 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,720 I don't know if it's going to happen this year, but I think 572 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,440 there's some flaws in the rating system. 573 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:21,240 I know it's a big topic of discussion right now, but I'm 574 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,280 not saying it's bad. I think it's a great way to like 575 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,240 put people into different skill levels and make sure they're 576 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,440 playing the right decision. But I think when it comes to 577 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,760 like pro tour stuff, I think it can just be a little flawed. 578 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,560 You've heard of like boosted ratings, like some ratings being 579 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,040 terrible. And I just think, to my 580 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,480 knowledge, I think the rating system's been pretty similar for 581 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,040 a long time. And I'm not sure what that 582 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,680 change could be. But I think there could 583 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,800 definitely be a change in that. One other thing I'm excited for 584 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,240 is just the way that discs are evolving. 585 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,960 I mean, there's so many. I think before like 2020, like 586 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,560 the Halo orbit plastic didn't even like it was just stock 587 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,000 plastic. Like every disc was just one 588 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,680 color. Like that's just how it was. 589 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,520 And now I mean there's so many types of plastics. 590 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,320 And I know that disc craft recently just released that like 591 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,760 was ring stuff on the new discs. And I'm interested to see if any 592 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,360 other companies like not only change the plastic type, but 593 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,720 also like the way a disk is made, and I think that could be 594 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,560 something cool. Yeah, I'm sure. 595 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,640 I'm sure there's stuff that I don't even know about that I'm 596 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,760 sure that Latitude's working on for us. 597 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,760 But and then of course, I'm sure the other manufacturers have 598 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,040 things going on in their research development. 599 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,680 So it would be, it's, it'll be interesting to see if someone 600 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,120 comes out with something new in 2026. 601 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,280 Of course, Disk Media has that premiere they're they're making. 602 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,640 It's supposed to be really good. I actually got to throw a couple 603 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,400 of disks and they do fly really nice. 604 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,000 So it'll be interesting how that when they actually get them out 605 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,160 there, how they perform in the wild for sure. 606 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,320 What about you, Brent and Marshall? 607 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,480 Do you have any thoughts on the rating system? 608 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,360 Do you have a a way to solve it? No, I mean, I, I see it. 609 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,520 I mean, kind of like Ryan said, I mean, it's, I think the pro 610 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,440 Tour needs their own rating system period. 611 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,920 I mean, it really truly, I think they just needed to cut ties 612 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,720 with the PDGA rating system and have their own specific ratings. 613 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,520 I mean, and, and go with that. And I mean local players, it's 614 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,240 tough. I mean, I was just having a 615 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,680 conversation with Alexis Carmen because we're doing the college 616 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,280 disc golf regional and trying to figure out layouts to help. 617 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,240 You don't want to hurt, you know, especially certain people 618 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,920 that are lower rated, they're going to play. 619 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,840 But you know, it's just, it's tough to try to figure out how 620 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:51,400 to create layouts that don't, you know, hurt one and don't 621 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,720 help the other. Or, you know, because especially 622 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,440 you take Ryan, if he's playing in a round with somebody like 623 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,320 myself, I mean, it would probably kill my rating because 624 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,160 he would, he would play so much better than I would. 625 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,040 So I mean, that's I think that's the hard thing to do is, I mean, 626 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,480 ratings are just tough. I mean, it's just, you know, 627 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,040 it's a hard thing. Yeah, I I would agree as well. 628 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,000 I mean, I, I actually love that idea though with the Disc Golf 629 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,360 Pro Tour having their own rating system, I think that would be 630 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,400 excellent, you know, just to keep that in its own. 631 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,520 But but yeah, it's tough. It's a tough problem to solve 632 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,840 and I think it's just going to continue. 633 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,840 But hopefully, you know, there, I'm sure there's somebody 634 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,560 qualified, much more qualified than I am out there thinking 635 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,200 about it and working on it too. So we can only wait and see. 636 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,400 Oh, Chuck Kennedy, if you're listening, I don't know if you 637 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,280 listen to the show, I know he's in the Facebook group, the disco 638 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,120 management face group group, because anytime ratings come up 639 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,360 in the group, he always chimes in. 640 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,200 So maybe he's maybe he's working on something, I don't know. 641 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,520 All right, well, we're going to shift gears quite a bit here. 642 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,880 And I told you guys about some hot takes. 643 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,280 I want to get your all's take on it. 644 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,240 And I kind of gave you a hint at what it was, but I'm going to 645 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,400 give you the give you the specific hot take. 646 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,040 And then I want your input. So I want your reaction to an 647 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,159 idea that challenges how many discs we think we need when 648 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,440 we're out playing around in a maybe in a tournament or any, 649 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,120 any round. So here's the actual hot hot 650 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,760 take. Playing with only your favorite 651 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,280 3 discs will actually make you a better player. 652 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,760 I agree. I. 653 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,040 Agree. What about? 654 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:33,000 What about you, Ryan? I think it might make you a 655 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,320 better player on certain courses, but I would have to 656 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,679 argue that certain courses may need more than just those 3 657 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:44,159 discs. I'm a big fan of not carrying 658 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:47,400 many discs. I don't carry that many, but I 659 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,400 think around your local area I would definitely agree. 660 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,800 But if you get to some of the bomber courses and don't pick 661 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,200 the right discs, I think there could be a slight issue with 662 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,520 that. And I think the difference in 663 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,480 that answer is probably because I would imagine you could 664 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,160 probably out well, I know you can out throw me, but I would 665 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,080 imagine he probably out throws all three of us, right. 666 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,200 Brenton Marshall, I would bet he he probably. 667 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,440 The punters. Yeah. 668 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,440 Probably the 100. So I could see where your answer 669 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,600 couldn't be just so. So maybe that was more of a warm 670 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,480 take, but yeah, I got some people. 671 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,040 From that, Bobby I I have found playing rounds with less discs, 672 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,400 my score has been better. Yeah. 673 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,000 I mean, one of my best rounds I ever played at Tom Brown. 674 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,480 I played with two discs, yeah. We Yeah. 675 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,480 And I don't know, maybe Ryan, maybe I'm wrong, but I'm I know 676 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,760 back in the day that was The thing is we would tell, you 677 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,440 know, we would have players show up in their bag would be just 678 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,040 packed full of discs. And I would always think, man, 679 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,240 you've got way too many discs. But I don't know. 680 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:47,120 Do you do the young people do? Do they still fill their bags 681 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:52,080 pretty full feel like. Yeah, I mean, I feel like, yeah. 682 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,320 And I, I hate it when people come to courses with like more 683 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,840 than like 20 discs. Like when you're stepping up to 684 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,880 a Tpad and you have like 4 discs in your hand. 685 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,200 Like that's just crazy. Like the good thing about having 686 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,000 the good thing about playing rounds with like 3 discs is that 687 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,760 you don't have to think anymore. Like you have one option to 688 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,240 throw. You have to throw that shot. 689 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,640 Like there's no like thought anymore, which is what I really 690 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,440 like. I think the less you think the 691 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,960 better, the better that you'll shoot. 692 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,200 Now who here has raise your hand or or tell me who has in their 693 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:34,680 bag They have How do I say this? They have less molds but a few 694 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,320 different beat in stages of those molds. 695 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:41,240 Or do you have like a lot of different molds for different 696 00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:43,200 shots? Who has, who has less molds, 697 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,680 mold? How am I? 698 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,680 Do you know what I'm saying? How I said, you know what I'm 699 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,360 saying, Ryan, right? You have multiple multiple. 700 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,440 Yeah. Which one do you have the most 701 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,520 of them that are in multiples? Multiples right now I think I 702 00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,680 carry 4 felons. Yeah, that's just because I have 703 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,320 anywhere from like insanely stable to like my one felon. 704 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,040 My this is my this is my money felon. 705 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,520 I've been throwing it for like 2 years. 706 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,600 I could flick it and it'll just go dead straight. 707 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,880 But I mean, I carry like 4 felons and then I think I throw 708 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,960 like 3 or 4 generals and then I think I throw two or three 709 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,200 rives. And I think just the familiar 710 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,920 feel of the disc being beat in different, different stages. 711 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,400 I'm not saying that more molds is like bad, but I definitely 712 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,440 like beating in discs. And then you have like your new 713 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,480 one, you have like your middle one, and then you have like your 714 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,000 old one. You kind of follow that same 715 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,120 thing, Brent or a little different? 716 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,040 Yeah, so my favorite disc of all time is the evidence in the mid 717 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:55,480 range from DD. And so I I carry 3I carry like a 718 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,840 Lucid that's kind of newer and just kind of by cycle one in and 719 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,600 out all the time really. And then I have, I actually have 720 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,800 a lava plastic evidence from many years ago that I found out 721 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,120 in Las Vegas a few years ago at Lucky Disc Golf. 722 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,040 So, you know, it's already beaten in the used bin naturally 723 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,880 found it was like, this is coming home with me. 724 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,360 So yeah. And then I have a a fusion die 725 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,000 Max evidence in there too. So, but they all do different 726 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,880 things and, and, but same with like kind of Ryan, I have, you 727 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,280 know, 2 felons, I have, you know, 2-3 wardens, you know, 728 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,560 that all kind of do different things and all that kind of 729 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,760 different stages of being beaten and stuff. 730 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,680 So yeah, I think playing with last discs is better. 731 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,600 That's why I love the Trilogy challenge since my, one of my 732 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,160 favorite events that we host every year just because it 733 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,720 really does force people you, hey, you get to play with those 734 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:53,080 3 discs and, and that's it. And, and and, yeah, I think it's 735 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,200 just a great opportunity to learn and create, be creative, 736 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,200 and also learn the discs and nose angles. 737 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,280 What about you, Marshall? What are your multiple molds so? 738 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,600 I'm I have very few. I carry two Saints and I carry 739 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,560 two of the which I call them sinus. 740 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,160 I cannot say sinus that does not sound correct. 741 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,960 I carry 2 very very old sinuses with a. 742 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,760 Thumb Hey, hey, hey, you seen this? 743 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,320 Have you seen this? Have you seen this? 744 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,080 Seen this. That's right. 745 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,280 Yeah. So I carry, that's the only two 746 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,360 discs that I carry multiple of and I only carry 1:00. 747 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,720 And basically my St. I have a, a gold St. and I have 748 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:37,960 a, a, a lucid St. that that both do 2 totally different things. 749 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,040 Other than that, I have single disc of everything. 750 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,960 And my favorite disc in my bag is about a night a 20/18/2017 751 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,040 Emac Truth. It is my I mean, I just can't 752 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,600 find another one that throws like it, even his new one that 753 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,800 he just came out with a retool. I mean, but that's the only, 754 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,720 that's the only pairs that I multiples that I have. 755 00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:01,960 Yeah, I don't have, I have the multiple tresp, just a couple 756 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:07,360 trespasses and now I have treasons, multiple 2 treasons 757 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,920 right now. And then I'm trying to see how 758 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,240 the lucid treasons going to work for my for me. 759 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,720 My problem is that because I'm at the warehouse, because we 760 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,360 have to talk about all the new discs that come out, I have, I 761 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,440 try a bunch and then I'm like, oh, this one's really good for 762 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,120 this. So this one, like, wait, what 763 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,160 about the other ones? That worked out really well for 764 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,360 me too. I haven't escaped. 765 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,200 It's a beautiful escape, but I always forget about it because I 766 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,200 have all these other discs to throw. 767 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,680 So all right, hot take #2 this one is about stability choices 768 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,280 that casual players make. All right, so think of casual 769 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,880 players. Here's my hot take, and this 770 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,120 might be hopefully. Well, let's see. 771 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,360 Let's see what happens. Overstable discs are ruining 772 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,680 casual players. Agree. 773 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,560 I would agree as well, Ryan. I would agree to a certain 774 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,400 extent, but. The guy they can throw. 775 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,440 Far I'm always the one who's I'm always the one who's like 776 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,000 against this. No, I think I feel like it 777 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,960 depends on how it like if you're like a guy that like missed your 778 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,600 first round and you have one disc, then yes, I would agree. 779 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,360 But if you have like 3 or 4, I think that having one stable one 780 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,680 with you is a good option because you never know when 781 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,000 you're going to have a bunch of wind, especially for beginners. 782 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,520 Like forehand is way easier with stable stuff. 783 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,480 So I think that stable this can ruin casual players if they use 784 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,840 them too much. But I think just having one for 785 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,240 certain shots is what actually be a good thing. 786 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,320 Yeah, I think it, and it could because just because my level of 787 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,880 play, but it feels like people are starting to appreciate more 788 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,240 of the stable neutral and under stable discs. 789 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,240 Not it used to be a while back. It'd be like people just like I 790 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,720 need a meat hook. I need a, you know, I need that 791 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:54,440 meat hook and I just don't understand why. 792 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,920 I mean, I guess I did, but I I didn't understand why casual 793 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,920 players wanted to meet hook so bad other than that's what they 794 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,000 saw the Ricky throw and the Paul Macbeth throw and all those guys 795 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,760 throw and so they wanted that. But I think the, the biggest 796 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,440 thing I always saw was that people, I would watch people 797 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,920 throw high speed drivers or overstable drivers and then I 798 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,680 would watch their form and I'd say that's the disc is working 799 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,320 for it's it's working for you because your form is so way off 800 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,560 you and you're throwing it at a weird at a crazy angle. 801 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,360 So yeah, I thought I'm of the opinion that I think overstable 802 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,240 discs can ruin a casual players game because they're not really 803 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,240 they're not really picking the right disk and they're they're 804 00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:37,720 trying, they're trying to do a lot of the work when the disk 805 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:39,560 can really do the work for them for sure. 806 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,320 OK, so maybe that was kind of a warm take since everybody 807 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,080 agreed. Let's see what the next one is. 808 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,200 All right, The next one is this one has to do with the distance 809 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,800 and ego. And this is kind of maybe this 810 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,880 is, well, I guess this is more along the lines of what we just 811 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,440 said. But the hot take is most people 812 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,160 would play better rounds if they stopped throwing distance 813 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:05,000 drivers if they just stick to fairway drivers slower. 814 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:12,400 And so does people do do does the ego get in the way of people 815 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,680 picking the right disc for their game? 816 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,640 I I think kind of like what you had said too, you know, it's a 817 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,280 lot of the people see, you know, the, the big arms throwing now 818 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,440 these discs. And so they go grab these discs 819 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,920 and, you know, I think that they're going to hurt them more 820 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,200 than they help them any in any scenario. 821 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,800 Because, you know, unless you have throwing the, you know, 822 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,120 unless you're throwing the disks at the speed it needs to be 823 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,520 thrown at the correct way with the right nose angle and 824 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,080 everything necessary, it's just simply not going to fly as it 825 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,680 should or as it does for some of these big arms. 826 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,560 So I think, you know, and then they go out and and I hear it a 827 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,040 lot, you know, every week at league, you know, oh, you know, 828 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,800 I tried the the general and I wasn't a fan. 829 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,520 And it's like, well, yeah, because you know, you can only 830 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,320 throw 200 feet and, you know, the generals just going to go up 831 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,520 and come right down and, you know, that kind of thing. 832 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,640 So I think that's where you get that discouragement away from 833 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,640 some of some of those new players because they're like, 834 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,760 you know, but then you put something like like maybe a St. 835 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,680 like Marshall thrower, you know, or like a Maverick or an escape 836 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,760 or, you know, something like that in their hands. 837 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,680 And most recently, the treason, I think, or the motive 838 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,480 specifically, is another great one. 839 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,040 Yeah, I put some of those in in people's hands and was like, 840 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,640 here, just go throw this, go use it for this nine holes and bring 841 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,400 it back to me when you're done. And and they're like, wow, like 842 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,160 I threw this 8200 feet farther than my other discs. 843 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,080 And I'm like, I know it's crazy, right. 844 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,080 So I, I just think that that kind of helps is, is just, yeah, 845 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,360 get away from the distance drivers, learn how your nose 846 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,800 angles, learn how to throw and control your bag. 847 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,600 Don't let it control you. Real quick for you Ryan, how how 848 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,080 fast how long did it take for you once you started playing 849 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,480 disc golf to actually get into throwing more of the distance 850 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,920 drivers I'm. Trying to think the first disc I 851 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,000 ever got was a nine speed. I know that. 852 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,320 But I, I mean, I think I'd agree with you. 853 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,800 I think that anyone, anyone that can't throw over like 300 feet, 854 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,400 like there's just no reason because the way it's going to 855 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,440 work is the 12 speed is going to be no going to go no farther 856 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,000 than the seven speed. So at least for me, I'm trying 857 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,440 to think, yeah, I'd say right about that 303 fifty mark is 858 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:22,000 when I started to actually start experimenting with those 859 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,560 11/12/13 speeds. Even if you can't throw like 860 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,800 that 1213 speed arm range, which my guess is that's about 400 to 861 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,520 450, I think it can still be useful. 862 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,880 But I think if if your arm speeds definitely like much 863 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:45,120 lower, then I think stick to the fairway driver set back. 864 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,920 Yeah. Any input from you Marshall? 865 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,920 Yeah, You know, I, you're not going to like this, neither are 866 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,360 the companies. But I, I fault a lot of the disc 867 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:58,040 golf companies for this problem. I mean, if you go buy a starter 868 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,520 set, what comes in the starter set, it's usually, I mean, in 869 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,960 the old school it was usually an 11 or 12 speed, a mid range and 870 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,440 a putter. And I, I really think that, you 871 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,640 know, I think most of them should just be a mid range and a 872 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,280 putter. I mean, my first distance driver 873 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,120 was a disc craft distance X and that thing, I could never throw 874 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,240 it and it was so frustrating. And I'm like coming from a ball 875 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,920 golf background, I'm like, well, why can't I throw this driver? 876 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,800 I didn't understand what it takes like, like Brent said, you 877 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,680 know, to get that and Ryan, they get that disc up to speed to 878 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,320 actually make it fly. And until I back down, I mean, 879 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,800 for the longest, my driver was a Maverick. 880 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,720 I threw a maverick and then I slowly went up to A to a St. 881 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,640 I can't throw an 11 speed there to the the rims are too wide for 882 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,080 me and my hand comfortably. So I don't throw them because I 883 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,960 I throw, I've tried to throw the grace multiple times. 884 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,440 I love the disc, love the way it looks. 885 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,560 It's it doesn't go as far as as a nine. 886 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,400 So I think, you know, I think that's just one of the things 887 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,560 that and and disc golf is, you know, you get a lot of people 888 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,720 that that's the first thing they do is run out and buy those high 889 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:08,960 speed drivers because they they have the ball golf mentality. 890 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,480 Yeah, yeah, I agree. Now I will to be fair, I did 891 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,240 look it up real quick and I see that our one of our starter sets 892 00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:17,600 actually gives you for the driver an escape. 893 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,960 Yeah. So but as you get big, as you 894 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,280 get the bigger like a four pack 6 pack, it looks like they throw 895 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,440 in the trespass and then they throw in like a warrant in a in 896 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,200 a Maverick. So yeah, I would say a trespass 897 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,760 probably a little too much for a brand new beginner for sure, for 898 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,200 sure. All right, well, I guess all of 899 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,880 those were kindly kind of like lukewarm takes. 900 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,440 I need they can get my hot take game up and maybe get some more 901 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:47,880 controversial stuff to see if we can get some yeah debate going. 902 00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:51,160 Well, guys, I appreciate you again. 903 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,160 Hopping on as we wrap things up. Let me know what you got going 904 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,360 on for 2026. We'll start with you, Marshall. 905 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,440 So 2026, you know, I'm hoping we have two A tier back-to-back in 906 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,800 Tallahassee and Bainbridge. We kick off 1st of February and 907 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,640 Bainbridge is the first ever A tier. 908 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,040 At Bainbridge we have 15 K added cash and then the following week 909 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,720 we have Tallahassee which is Valentine's weekend with 10K 910 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,920 added cash. And then give us the pros a a 911 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,480 week off before they go to Brooksville to take a throw down 912 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,280 the mountain down there to see if they can, you know, beat that 913 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,080 course or the course beat them. So that's about our where we're 914 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,560 going to be at the beginning of the year, so. 915 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,960 Cool and I guess they can just go to what disc golf scene or 916 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,840 Facebook page get more info. Disc golf scene actually the 917 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,040 women's right now or it's open on the Open at Tallahassee. 918 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,840 We have the women only open right now and then next the 15th 919 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,760 opens up registration for Tallahassee and Bainbridge on 920 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,440 the same day. Awesome. 921 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:51,960 What about you, Ryan? What you got going? 922 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:58,040 So for the first half of 2026, maybe a little more, I'm just 923 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,400 going to continue to play a bunch of events like local and 924 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,880 then some pro tours. And then what I'm really excited 925 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,960 about is next year is going to be my first year of college. 926 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:14,440 So I will be playing on a college team. 927 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,440 I haven't said where yet, but it's coming soon. 928 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,520 But I will be playing on a college team and I think that's 929 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,480 going to be a really cool experience because I think 930 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,880 that's part of the sport that can grow like a ton right now. 931 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,680 It is growing a ton right now and so I'm excited for that. 932 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,440 I feel like I've never, besides like double S events, I feel 933 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,040 like there's never been like a big team aspect in like 934 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,920 tournaments of disc golf. So I'm really excited for that. 935 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,280 Very cool. And Brent you what you got going 936 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,840 on 2026? Well, big stuff, but starting 937 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,000 the year off with our Veterans for Vets event in January, it's 938 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,320 our 7th year hosting it. Now this one, we're putting a 939 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,760 little change on things. I know a big, the big focus is 940 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,840 on, you know, getting people out in the cold that support the 941 00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,000 vets. They don't get to choose when 942 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,320 they serve, so come out and place them, you know, in the 943 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,440 cold. But partnering with our local 944 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,440 park district, we have a facility here in town. 945 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,640 So we're doing an 18 hole indoor putting style event. 946 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,760 So for 40 bucks you can come Ryan, you're like an hour a 947 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,320 shower and a half probably away from us. 948 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,880 You can come on out and you bring your dad. 949 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,480 I know you guys come out and play, but just a couple 950 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,880 different, yeah, couple different divisions we'll have. 951 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,600 We're going to spread out nine holes, play it twice. 952 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,720 But yeah, first year doing that. So really hoping to increase the 953 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:31,720 sign up numbers just by having it indoors, simply still get 2 954 00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:34,280 discs, a bunch of other goodies with the player pack, all that 955 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,840 fun stuff. So and then we just move right 956 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:43,120 along into our first seat here in April in Walnut, IL Then we 957 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,120 have a big focus for me in 2026, I really want to get a high 958 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,400 school team. I want to get a high school club 959 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,360 in our high school. Ryan, I don't know if you have 960 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,040 done anything with that or heard anything about that, but there's 961 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,760 a bunch of guys that actually play, but also art teach in kind 962 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,480 of Northern Illinois area that have gotten at about 5 or 6 963 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,520 schools clubs at each school and they all kind of compete on the 964 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,840 weekends and stuff like that. So just really trying to get a 965 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,880 team for our local school and then hopefully coach that. 966 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,240 But yeah, just continuing, we got a couple other events will 967 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:21,160 host couple Foxes again, redeveloping that 18 hole in the 968 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:26,360 middle of town, probably get another 9 hole built because we, 969 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,240 I think we've averaged at least one 9 hole a year that we've 970 00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:34,760 installed and designed and and kind of put in for the last 971 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:39,360 price 7 years now. So we're, we're up to about 92, 972 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,920 I want to say veteran baskets we put in the ground here in 973 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,720 Northern Illinois. I'm so really excited to hit 974 00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:48,080 that like 100 mark. And then we're just big 975 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,080 contributors to local organizations. 976 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,360 Hopefully after this next year we'll be able to say that we've 977 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:58,000 contributed over $25,000 to local organizations in our 978 00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,800 community. Very cool. 979 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,760 Awesome. Well, again, thank you guys for 980 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,720 hopping on the show. I want to do more of these where 981 00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:06,600 we have more team members come on and talk a little bit disc 982 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,560 off. So thank you so much and Brent, 983 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,680 when you after you, if you can like take pictures and do some 984 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,400 stuff so I can share that out on our Facebook page at the 985 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,680 veterans for vet. So I appreciate that. 986 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,520 All right, guys. Well, thanks again. 987 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,200 Hop on on the show. I appreciate it. 988 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:21,800 We'll talk to you another time, all. 989 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:23,400 Right. Thanks for having us. 990 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:23,840 Thank you.