1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,720 I'm not a top pro, so there's no appeal for someone to just watch 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,840 me shot by shot. You know, why do they want to 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,560 watch like a low, low, low level pro or high, high, high level 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,640 AM, you know, just kind of struggle through a course. 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,400 So there has to be something else. 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,840 Hey everybody, this is Bobby Cool daddy slick breeze. 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,560 Thank you for tuning into another disc golf answer man 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,960 episode. Now this one is going to be a 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,880 little different. It's some of the type of 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,560 episodes I used to do in the past and that's where I reach 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,320 out to people that are in disc golf but don't necessarily play 12 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,720 like touring. Now they play, they're in disc 13 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,160 golf some way, but they are in the business of disc golf. 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,240 I love learning about people's story then their disc golf 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,640 story. So I'm have been reaching out to 16 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,360 different people to get them on the show to talk them about 17 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,320 about how they got into disc golf. 18 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,360 What do they do as far as disc golf? 19 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,640 And just learning more about what's going on in the disc 20 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,000 golf, disc golf business world. So this first one is J Millie. 21 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,280 Now, I did a deep dive into social media and content when I 22 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,800 decided to come back to Dynamic Discs because I wanted to see 23 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,840 what was going on, what was the landscape as far as disc golf 24 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,480 media out there. And one of the guys I came 25 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,600 across was J Millie, some of his Instagram reels and then his 26 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,280 YouTube channel and I was blown away. 27 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,040 This guy is amazing. He is super talented and I love 28 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,800 his style of storytelling. So I reached out to him and 29 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,200 said, dude, I got to have you on the disc Golf answer Man show 30 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,240 and I want to learn more about it you. 31 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,200 Now, I will tell you up front, this is a lot of talk about 32 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,960 social media, about content creation, about the creative 33 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:37,800 process, not a whole lot about disc golf. 34 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,640 So if that's not your thing, I and you want to skip this 35 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,160 episode, totally get it. Totally understand. 36 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,760 We'll be back with more of the regular disc golf answer Man, 37 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,320 where me and Eric McCabe answer your disc golf questions. 38 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,640 But for now, we're going to do a deep dive into a side of disc 39 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,080 golf that I am passionate about and that is social media and 40 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,440 social and content. And one more thing before I want 41 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,880 to tell you if you are into disc golf and you're thinking you 42 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,360 want to be a pro or if you just want to maybe be on YouTube for 43 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,039 disc golf, I got to tell you this guy got has a lot of great 44 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:15,560 information because I've told my team players in the past and I'm 45 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,040 going to tell them again. If you're a team player and 46 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,760 you're listening or watching, you are a brand, whether you 47 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,920 like it or not, whether you do it on purpose or not, because 48 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,440 brand is really a just a another way of saying your reputation, 49 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,000 how you handle yourself, how you present yourself on social media 50 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,200 is how people think you are. And so if you want to be 51 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,440 strategic about it and make a name for yourself in disc golf 52 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,120 or any other industry, social media is a very important or a 53 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:48,800 very, very easy access, a very vital way of doing that. 54 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:53,160 So with all that said, let's jump right into the conversation 55 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:59,720 with Jay Miley. All right, so how are you doing? 56 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,240 Well, does everybody call you J Millie? 57 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,680 Is that is that like a stage name or what's the sort of 58 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,160 behind J Millie? J Millie is my legal name. 59 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:15,800 No, I'm just kidding. My name is Josh Miller, but Josh 60 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,720 Miller is a pretty typical name. So I actually graduated with 61 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,160 another Josh Miller. So when I walked across the 62 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,800 stage, it was Josh Miller. Josh Miller, you know, And so, 63 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,440 and then I also in my company, there's like 5 or 6 Josh 64 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,040 Miller's. So Josh Miller's just a common 65 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,920 name. And so when I was thinking, you 66 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,080 know, I need something recognizable, when I started my 67 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,560 YouTube channel and back in like junior high, I used to tell my 68 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,320 friends to call me J Millie just as like a joke. 69 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,840 Like I was like, if I was a rapper, my name would be J 70 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,400 Millie. I love it. 71 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,000 So I was like J Millie, I didn't really like it at first. 72 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,760 I was like, I'm going to make my channel J Millie. 73 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,040 And I kept asking people. I was like, what do you think of 74 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:01,920 this? What do you think of this? 75 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,480 And I honestly got a lot of mixed reviews. 76 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,080 Some people would be like, oh, that's good. 77 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,680 And then some people would be like, oh, that's kind of cringe, 78 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,600 you know? And at a certain point I was 79 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,040 like, well, I don't want to do Josh Miller, you know? 80 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,320 So I was like, J Millie it is. And I stuck with it. 81 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,600 And it took like 3 or 4 months to make it feel normal. 82 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,240 But now I literally like, it's like sometimes I even call 83 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,240 myself J Millie, you know, as a joke. 84 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,160 So it's definitely I I'm, I like it. 85 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,640 And I don't think that. I don't think it has like a 86 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,400 negative connotation. To it at all? 87 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,600 Yeah. No, I think it's awesome. 88 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,000 Yeah. It's interesting you say Josh 89 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,960 Miller being a very common name. Hello. 90 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,200 My name is Robert Brown or Bobby Brown. 91 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,200 I think I take up like half the phone book back in the days of 92 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,600 phone books. So yeah, my name is very common 93 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,360 too. I used to hate when I was a kid. 94 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,400 I actually wanted to be called Bandit. 95 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,000 I want to do Bandit Brown. That's pretty cool, honestly. 96 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,320 So, but yeah, so I get, I get the whole thing of like, gosh, 97 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,320 my name's so, so common. So, but I love, I love Jamie 98 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:09,680 Lee. I think it's, I think it's cool. 99 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,760 But so, OK, so the reason I reached out to you just let our 100 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,640 audience know is of course they know now that I'm back into disc 101 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,360 golf, back doing my thing. And when I started to get back 102 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,600 into coming back to Dynamic Discs, I took a deep dive into 103 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,880 like disc golf content, right? Because I wanted to see what the 104 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,520 latest was. And your stuff kept popping up 105 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,400 and on your on the Instagram, on your reels. 106 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,480 And then I was like, let me check out his YouTube channel 107 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,280 and I checked out YouTube, man, I love your editing style, But 108 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:42,320 most of all, I love your storytelling style. 109 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,800 Your recent video of the coming to the Glassbone Open. 110 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,520 I, when the people, some people here saw the thumbnail, they 111 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,520 said, I, I went to a, a cancelled pro tour or something 112 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,320 like that. They're like, wait, it's not 113 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:56,960 cancelled. I was like, you don't get it. 114 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,920 Do you not get it? That's the whole point for 115 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:02,840 people to go what it was can't what is he what I don't 116 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:05,920 understand what he's talking about get you in and then you 117 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,920 started with the question and then you took us through the 118 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,560 journey in between you. Now, I don't know if you did it 119 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,200 on purpose or you it was intentional or what, but it was 120 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,360 fantastic. Just how you weaved in the story 121 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,160 of was the why was the GBO cancel what's going on? 122 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,440 And still showed us your play. And then of course, you you gave 123 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,840 us the answer to the question, your thoughts, your perspective. 124 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:30,400 And so anyway, all that to say is, man, I love your style of 125 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,200 storytelling and I think it's fantastic. 126 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,760 And I was like, I've got to learn more about this guy. 127 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,440 So I appreciate you coming on the show for sure. 128 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,000 Yeah, definitely. I mean, I really appreciate you 129 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,160 saying that. Like that's something that's the 130 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,600 biggest thing. Before the podcast, we were 131 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:51,080 talking about improving and always trying to be on a road to 132 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,040 bettering our content and just, I'm sure ourselves. 133 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,840 And the biggest thing I want to work on is my storytelling. 134 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:04,880 Like you can tell a good story and not have good editing, you 135 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,920 know? Like I feel like, you know, I 136 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,080 feel like people kind of view me as like, oh, he does some good 137 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,280 editing, you know, but I want it to be more so like he tells an 138 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,680 engaging story. Like that was a 40 minute video 139 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:25,640 and some of the best, like the responses I valued the most was 140 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,240 people messaging me and being like hey dude, that video felt 141 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,040 like 5 minutes you know? Oh wow, that's awesome. 142 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,800 That that's what I want, you know, like, I want someone to be 143 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,320 so locked in on the video that they didn't even realize they 144 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,440 watched for 40 minutes, you know? 145 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,440 And yeah, like you said that, yeah, the point of that 146 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,440 thumbnail and title was for people to be like, wait, what? 147 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,600 I hope it wasn't. Like I hope I explained it well 148 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,640 enough that people understood that I wasn't click baiting. 149 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,720 I guess it's kind of click baiting, but like hopefully not 150 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,000 in that negative connotation where it's like, okay, hey, you 151 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,400 know, you shouldn't, you shouldn't name it that. 152 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,280 That's completely incorrect. I feel like it's still like, I 153 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,960 feel like it kind of still aligns, you know? 154 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,120 No, it was, I mean, it was a true statement. 155 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,600 If it wasn't a yeah. To me in my mind, when it's 156 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,920 click bait, it's it's when it's not a true statement or what the 157 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,200 question you put out there or the statement you put out there 158 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:21,880 has nothing to do with the content. 159 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,880 That to me, and no, I think it was just to me it was, yes, you 160 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,400 could look at it and go, well, that's click baity, but not in 161 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,280 the negative sense, more in the true sense of like it made me 162 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,159 intrigued and I want to find out a little bit more about it. 163 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:36,559 And that's kind of the story I wanted to tell as well was like, 164 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:40,200 I feel like there's a lot of people in the sport, like people 165 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,120 that have been around forever know about the glass blown open, 166 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,360 you know, but people that are newer to the sport don't really 167 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,960 know it completely. And then, you know, when they 168 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,800 didn't see DDO on the tour schedule this year might be a 169 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,080 little bit confused of like what's going on and like, is 170 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,280 that valid? You know, like if you've only 171 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:04,360 been around for a year or two, you have probably only seen the 172 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,600 people kind of harping on GBO and like, oh, it's not like it 173 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,680 once was, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 174 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,920 And so that was what I wanted to tell because I'm I felt like 175 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:20,520 there was a lot of people who who didn't know the fool like, 176 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,840 you know, has been around for. Freaking yeah 20. 177 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:28,360 Years, you know, and also you know how like I, I think I 178 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,760 mentioned in my video, people, me included, are sometimes too 179 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:37,920 quick to accept the general consensus, you know? 180 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,120 Absolutely, Absolutely. You know, if I'm being 181 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,200 completely honest, I feel like the general consensus around GBO 182 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,000 was like, oh, get it off the tour, you know, it's not like it 183 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,360 once was blah, blah, blah. And I'm sure most of those 184 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,200 people saying that had never been to GBO, you know? 185 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,480 And so like the whole story of the video was me going out and 186 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,840 just experiencing it. And like in the, you know, 187 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,160 spoiler alert in the video, it's like, dude, GBO was awesome. 188 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,480 You know, like, I don't know what people are talking about, 189 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,160 you know, And then I just, I also mentioned it was like, 190 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:13,600 don't, don't knock it till you try it, you know, like go out. 191 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:18,000 Like if you think GBO stinks, go, go to GBO next year and see 192 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,520 how much fun you have, you know? Yeah. 193 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,480 Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. 194 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,840 That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, that's all I have to 195 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,160 say about. That yeah, no, that's good. 196 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,680 That's good though. Well, let's kind of backtrack so 197 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:32,880 I can get to know you a little bit more and of course our our 198 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,080 audience get to know you a little bit more. 199 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,040 Tell me, how did you first come into disc golf? 200 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,560 How did it start? And and did you, were you hooked 201 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:41,840 on it at first or did it take a little to a little bit to get 202 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,040 hooked on it? Yeah, so funny enough, me and my 203 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:46,640 friends were talking about it last night. 204 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,320 I'm still buddies with a couple of guys from high school and we 205 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:55,440 roomed together in college and we all ended up in the DFW area. 206 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:58,520 So we've been very blessed, or I've been very blessed to have a 207 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,800 community that's been very consistent and we've been able 208 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,680 to pour into each other and, you know, really deepen our 209 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:10,440 relationships. But around COVID, me and one of 210 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,720 my friends from college, we went on a trip to Colorado with his 211 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,800 family to this place called Estes Park. 212 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,080 And then there's this place called the YMCA and the Rockies. 213 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:23,600 And they had a disc golf course on it. 214 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,320 And we were just bored one day. So we went and played and it was 215 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,000 pretty fun. All I threw was Tomahawks 216 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,600 because that's all I could throw back then. 217 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,640 And you know, kind of forget about it. 218 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,640 School rolls around. We got, we went to Texas A&M and 219 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,200 they are like, dude, there's a bunch of disc golf courses in 220 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,600 the area We're going to start playing. 221 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,320 So the friend I played with and then two of my other room mates 222 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,640 went and bought like starter packs and stuff. 223 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,520 But I would really like was like, yeah, I'll come with you 224 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,640 guys, but I don't want to like spend any money. 225 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,880 And I really wasn't that into it. 226 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,280 And like, I was just there to hang out with my friends, you 227 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,720 know. And so that kind of like kept 228 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:11,360 going for, you know, probably that first semester in 2020 and 229 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,920 they were watching Joe Mez and they were watching YouTube 230 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,320 videos and they were wanting to go everyday. 231 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,040 And I was just kind of like, Hey, let me borrow a disc, you 232 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,320 know, I'll come with you. This is this is pretty fun. 233 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:23,800 Like I'm glad to hang out with you guys. 234 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,960 And then I think it was around the end of 2020, I was just 235 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,160 bored one night and I started watching Joe Mez and I started 236 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,520 watching Jesse and I started from Trash Panda and like 237 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,560 started watching some content. I was like, wait a second, this 238 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:43,800 is sick. And so I think I bought, well, 239 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,760 I, I don't know if you've seen it in my videos, but I bought my 240 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,720 first disc, which is a buzz that I've named Jimothy. 241 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:56,920 And so I started, started like really getting into it. 242 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:02,080 I remember vividly thinking, why would anyone ever need more than 243 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,200 three discs? I remember thinking, you need a 244 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,000 driver, a mid range and a putter. 245 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,720 Like why in the world would you buy anymore? 246 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,000 And now I have like it's like 200 or something. 247 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,120 Yeah, you're you're hooked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 248 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,120 And yeah. And so then it just turned into 249 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:24,240 US going all the time. I think that was my sophomore 250 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,120 year, like the end of my sophomore year. 251 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,080 And so in junior year and senior year, we started going a lot 252 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,200 more. One of my friends got married, 253 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,240 so he kind of slowed down a little bit. 254 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,000 One of my other friends just was like, I'm not into it anymore. 255 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,400 And so it kind of like I kind of just hung around, you know, and 256 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:46,960 get to the end of college. I'm still going two to three 257 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,960 times a week and just enjoying it, trying to get outside. 258 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:55,800 But kind of alongside that, you know, to talk about how I got to 259 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:01,840 where I am, I've always loved YouTube, like since 20. 260 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,560 I probably got into it when I was 12 or 13. 261 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,000 I tried to start a Minecraft YouTube channel. 262 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,160 Like I just watched all anything I could watch anything that was 263 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:14,960 popular at the time I was watching YouTube. 264 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,200 I loved YouTube and I've loved YouTube forever. 265 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,920 And so I had wanted to make a YouTube channel for as long as I 266 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,520 could remember. So I graduate at the end, 267 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,640 December of 22, 2023 rolls around and I'm like New Year's 268 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,680 resolution. I'm making a YouTube channel. 269 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,160 You know, I've been talking about it forever. 270 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:40,120 Like I just graduated college. Like I got to make at least a 271 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,400 video and see if I like it. Kind of alongside this, one of 272 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:49,360 my friends had started a YouTube channel a year or two before and 273 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,440 he was finding a lot of success and I was helping him and like 274 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,200 helping him edit a little bit. And so I had like a base 275 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:01,640 knowledge of like how to edit, you know, kind of how I would 276 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,200 hook people with my shorts and like, you know, whatever. 277 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,320 I just needed ideas, you know? And I was like, well, I'm either 278 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,720 like the two things I'm real, I'm really passionate about are 279 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,280 disc golf and my faith. And so I was either going to do 280 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,480 disc golf or deep dives into the Bible. 281 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,240 And I ended up picking disc golf, obviously. 282 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,520 And so around that time, I just, I started with shorts. 283 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,240 Yeah, because that was about the only ideas I had. 284 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,880 And so it was like at that point I hadn't gotten my first ace. 285 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,920 So I was like, I think my first short is something along the 286 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:43,200 lines of like, I'm going to get my first ace, you know, and then 287 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,800 like following the story and then it was, you know, it was 288 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,640 like a tenth shot ace or whatever. 289 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,920 And then yeah, kind of the rest is history. 290 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:56,960 I didn't post my first full length video until May of 2023 291 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:02,240 and it just absolutely exploded. I I don't know what happened. 292 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,080 It's my most popular video. It's almost that half a million 293 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,520 views. Oh wow, that's awesome. 294 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,840 I I only had 700 subscribers and. 295 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:13,960 What? That's crazy. 296 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:20,480 Within the within the day it had like 25,000 views and it just 297 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,760 kept going. Kind of crazy, but. 298 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,880 Yeah, that is crazy. That's pretty much the whole how 299 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,000 I got your story. So as far as you can tell. 300 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,320 It in its entirety, but. It's OK. 301 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,360 Now, as far as like disc golf, what is your goal with disc 302 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,000 golf? Are you looking to just keep it 303 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,760 casual or you want to like become a touring prototype or 304 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,680 what? Yeah. 305 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:48,000 So my number one priority is always going to be my content. 306 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,160 That's where I find the most joy. 307 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,080 Like I, like I've mentioned, I really enjoy telling stories 308 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:02,040 and, you know, watching stories and, and playing disc golf, you 309 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,040 know, and so I've made it a story arc on my channel, you 310 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:09,240 know, similar to Bodanza to make it on the Pro Tour. 311 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,800 But I, you know, to be completely honest, that'll 312 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,800 always be second to whatever content I'm making. 313 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,040 So yeah, I'm trying to make it on the Pro Tour. 314 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:27,240 My SO, my wife is a teacher here in DFW and so we're not super 315 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,120 duper flexible about like going places and, you know, going on 316 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:33,720 tour or whatever. So if I ever did make it on 317 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,920 tour, I really see it as more of like a, I'd make it out for 318 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,320 three events in a row and then take a few weeks off and just go 319 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,080 to the events that I'd like to go to. 320 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,080 But that being said, I have to be good enough to do that and I 321 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,480 am not currently good enough to do that so. 322 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,080 That's crazy. That's awesome. 323 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,520 Well, like I've seen a few videos, of course, seen your 324 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,920 reels. So I I notice right now that 325 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:03,440 there is a lot of which is what people like just the kind of 326 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,360 throw by throw coverage, which is great. 327 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:08,040 You know, people want to watch the the top guys play and they 328 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,720 like watching people do what they want to do as far as 329 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,720 getting out and playing. But yours is obviously 330 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,480 different. Yours is more of a storytelling 331 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,840 and getting and and there's a creative process, I'm assuming 332 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,280 obviously to what you do. So what is that process? 333 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,920 How do you how do you build a story? 334 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,800 Where do you start and then how do you go through that whole 335 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:34,240 process? You know, being 2, two years in 336 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,640 now, just now, I feel like I'm still massaging it out. 337 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,640 Like, I definitely have one, right. 338 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,560 Yeah, like, like you said, the shot by shot is not what I do. 339 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,680 Yeah, I I enjoy watching it sometimes. 340 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,960 But you know, when when I look at my game, I'm not a top pro. 341 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,880 So there's no appeal for someone to just watch me shot by shot. 342 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,480 You know, why do they want to watch like a low, low, low level 343 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,040 pro or high, high, high level AM, you know, just kind of 344 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,880 struggle through a course. So there has to be something 345 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:17,120 else, you know, and so if you go back in my videos, one of the 346 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:23,840 first like tournament videos I did, it's more shot by shot, but 347 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:28,000 not really like the typical commentary. 348 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,200 And I that's kind of where it started. 349 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,920 It wasn't like, oh, right here I'm throwing my buzz and you 350 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,880 know, it landed here. So what I'm thinking about is 351 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,920 XYZ. It was commentary but like me 352 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,040 trying to tell a story and then slowly that's evolved into what 353 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:52,960 it is now. My process is so like with the 354 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:59,560 GBO video, the A plot to me is trying to figure out if GBO had 355 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,840 lost it's touch. You know the A plot is invest 356 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,160 investigating GBO. You know like. 357 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:12,000 Seeing what's up, seeing what's actually not good, you know, And 358 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,520 then the B plot is the plot I introduced with trying to cash 359 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,960 at GBO, you know, which very quickly went out the window. 360 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,360 But yeah, the B plot is kind of more like the ongoing story that 361 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:29,920 I tell on my channel where it's me trying to play well and, you 362 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,400 know, do well in a tournament. And there's a lot of people that 363 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,240 comment and are like, more tournament coverage, please. 364 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,240 You know, like, so there's a lot of people that like that. 365 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,360 But then yeah, there's also the people that I've commented and 366 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:44,440 then like, oh, I wish you hadn't shown as much disc golf. 367 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,520 Like, I wish you had shown more of GBO, you know? 368 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,840 And so it's like, OK, well, who do I listen to at that point? 369 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:58,320 But sorry, to get back to my point, I think of an idea of 370 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:03,440 like the kind of the overarching story I'm trying to tell and 371 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,160 then have AB plot as well. And typically the B plot is more 372 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,880 of the disc golf stuff like, oh, I want to shoot under par or I 373 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,680 want to shoot, you know, I want to cash or I want 1000 rated. 374 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,040 And then the A plot is like, you know, let's let me pull up my 375 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,920 channel real quick. And I can say, like, the A plots 376 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,680 usually more related to whatever the title of the video is, you 377 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:28,680 know? Yeah. 378 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,200 Like running a disc golf company for a day, trying to impress my 379 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:38,000 sponsors, you know, So my process is come up with the idea 380 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,440 of a video, and I try to have, like, a thumbnail in mine. 381 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,760 Yeah. And because that, like, you've 382 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,280 probably heard this, if you don't get someone in the door, 383 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,680 how do they watch your video? Yeah, like, the most important 384 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,520 thing is title and thumbnail. And so as much as I can, and I'm 385 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,200 not the best about it, sometimes I'm trying to think, OK, what is 386 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,880 the most succinct way I can do this title and most intriguing? 387 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,200 And then what is the thumbnail that goes with this? 388 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,520 And then it's like, OK, what's the story I tell? 389 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,280 You know, cuz I value the story a lot. 390 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,120 And sometimes I overvalue it and like don't have a title and 391 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:20,080 thumbnail and I'm just like, this is awesome. 392 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,240 I love this. Like, yeah. 393 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,120 But like, you know, if no one clicks on it, no one's gonna 394 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:31,120 watch it, right? And and then so for like 395 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:37,520 creatively, I script my, you know, most of the time I usually 396 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,240 have like a script in general idea of how I want the video to 397 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,120 flow before I do it. Like I can't script how I'm 398 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:47,160 going to play right. You know, like I have, I'm not 399 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:52,200 going to, there's no way. And so, you know, I have like an 400 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,960 intro that sometimes I film before, sometimes I film after. 401 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,560 Honestly just depends on if I get to it. 402 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,120 You know, if I film it before, I just got to it before. 403 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:08,000 If I film it after I got to it after and like, like you, like 404 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:14,080 you mentioned in for the GBO video, I try to contextualize it 405 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,840 throughout the video, you know, and that's, that's intentional. 406 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,800 Like I don't want to overload people with information like 407 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,480 right at the beginning. My goal is to be like, here's 408 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,560 enough information to get you intrigued and I'm confident if 409 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,400 you stick around, I can share all the information I want to 410 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,600 share. You know, like I didn't really 411 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:41,440 mention, like I kind of mentioned why GBO was like, you 412 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:46,040 know, not on the tour this year, but like, I really got into it 413 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,320 10 minutes in, you know, I did a whole like, oh, let me give some 414 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,280 context real quick of like, you know, what's kind of gone down 415 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:00,680 over time, you know? And so, yeah, that's, that's my 416 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,840 creative process. It's it's usually like a script 417 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:10,080 and then filming usually for like most of my content recently 418 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,640 has been like tournament or going somewhere or whatever. 419 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,240 But I'd like to get back to just like filming at my home courses 420 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,480 and on my own time. But I just am flying by the seat 421 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:25,240 of my pants right now. And then editing is, I just like 422 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,400 chunk it up, you know, that's where all my time is, is 423 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,600 editing. Yeah, I hear you on that. 424 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,720 No, all that make all that makes sense. 425 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,640 And yeah, the editing is a is a for me a huge part as well, 426 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,960 especially now in well, depending on like what style you 427 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,720 use. Obviously if you do like the Sam 428 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,160 Solik style where you just kind of talking to the camera, that's 429 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,760 not quite as difficult. But you know, with your style 430 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,320 and the quick edits and the text overlays and the, the, you had 431 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,640 mentioned something on your y'all's podcast where you 432 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,400 control the tempo. And that's, that's see me, I, 433 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,520 you know, guys, if you're listening or watching this, I 434 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,200 don't know if this is interesting to you, but it very 435 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,640 interesting to me because it is the thought, same thought 436 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,160 processes that I go through the same you would mention about, 437 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,040 you know, the tempo and then you give them a pause and then you 438 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,440 change. I love that I as the editor, 439 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,400 well, the whole thing, producer, editor, writer, script and 440 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:28,960 everything I can, I can control or I'm trying to control your 441 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,800 emotions. I'm trying to get you to be 442 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:37,560 either be excited, be in, in, in intrigued or be sad or, you 443 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,880 know, whatever. And I do that with the, the, the 444 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:45,200 tempo, the pace, the cuts, the edits, the music, the how I talk 445 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:50,240 to the camera, what I show on the camera B roll or me close up 446 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,040 wide shot. You know, there's, I tell people 447 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:59,160 when they watch my, some of my videos and the some of the 448 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,040 things they mentioned, I'm like, that was not on accident. 449 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,960 That was on purpose. I painstakingly figured out 450 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,200 where I want that edit to hit, where I want that note to hit, 451 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,440 that crash of this the, the music, the crescendo of the 452 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,320 music, where I'm moving it here, watching the video, moving it 453 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,320 here, watching the video, moving it here to see exactly where it, 454 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,920 it for me makes the most impact. So I totally get what you're 455 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,040 saying as far as as far as the process. 456 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,600 Now you did mention something about because I'm curious, 457 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,400 because you know, you have a very large following on on the 458 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,800 social media platforms. How how challenging is it to not 459 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:43,800 let the noise affect you? Like I know for me as a creative 460 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,120 person, it feels good when people, you know, say, oh, I 461 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,480 love the video, I love this or I really like this. 462 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,520 But then that one person that says, why did you show this? 463 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:54,800 Why didn't you show more of this? 464 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,200 How do you deal with the criticism and the noise among 465 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,160 all the chatter that's out there as far as commenting and stuff? 466 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,600 Well, before I answer that, I wanted to give you some props. 467 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,560 So I'm sure you watched from the when you watched the GBO video, 468 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,960 you're like, wait a second, some of this footage looks a little 469 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,000 bit familiar. Yes. 470 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,320 So you know, when I was in my deep dive trying to find stuff 471 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,920 to to roll, I obviously was going through the DD channel 472 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,720 looking at all the old GBO videos and dude, very, very 473 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,520 impressive vlogs. I. 474 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,520 Thank you. No, like genuinely, you know, I 475 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,440 was looking for footage to scrape and use, but like after I 476 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,280 finished, I was like, wait, I want to, you know, let me go 477 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,760 watch the other one. Like I, I, I genuinely, I can't 478 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,080 remember which year it was, but one of the years the vlogs were 479 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,800 just so perfect. I, I really enjoy them. 480 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,240 Like one of the opening scenes was like, oh, it's my fake 481 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,320 birthday with the cat. Do you remember that? 482 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,720 Dude, that was hilarious. I just want to say like I one of 483 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:09,320 the things I kind of harped on or have harped on publicly is I 484 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,720 kind of started my channel the way I have like with the more 485 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:18,080 Youtubey like quick cut fast stuff because that's what I 486 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,160 wanted to see in disc golf and it really wasn't there. 487 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,080 And when I started watching these videos, I was like, man, I 488 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,280 wish he had been around, like kind of when I started getting 489 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,720 in, like because you stopped that DD in 20. 2020, late 2021, 490 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:36,760 yeah. OK, yeah. 491 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,840 So I mean, I really wasn't. That was only around the time 492 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,360 when I was watching Joe Mez. Like, I really wasn't into, 493 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,880 like, watching other content. Yeah. 494 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,280 And like, so my view of disc golf content was just, you know, 495 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,240 Bonanza Foundation Joe Mez, like, just more chill edits. 496 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,400 But when I was watching these videos, I was like, Oh, my 497 00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:01,400 goodness, this is like, awesome. And like that very great pacing. 498 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,880 Hilarious. Well, thank you. 499 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,720 They were vlogs. Yeah. 500 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,680 And I think you did a good job of like I've been calling like 501 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,080 some of my videos are disc golf adjacent you. 502 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,800 Know like. People want to watch disc golf 503 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,080 and so I try to have disc golf in every video, but sometimes 504 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,560 the disc golf doesn't start till 10 minutes into the video. 505 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,120 You know, and those videos you show some highlights sometimes, 506 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,640 but you're not playing disc golf. 507 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,080 And I was still very like, I enjoyed it you. 508 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:29,960 Know good. Awesome. 509 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,520 Props to you. I appreciate that I. 510 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,320 Literally watched all of your old GBO videos because I wanted 511 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,040 footage, but also at a certain point it was just like, OK, I'm 512 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,920 just enjoying watching these videos so. 513 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,640 That's cool, I love it. But yeah, to answer your 514 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,840 question, I talk about this with my wife sometimes I feel like 515 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,080 when I first started and what like felt like I had something 516 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:57,720 to prove was more so when like a comment that was like, I wish 517 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,040 you did this or oh, this video sucks or whatever would get me 518 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,400 more. But something I'm very grateful 519 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:13,360 to have is my wife is just super supportive. 520 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:19,200 And like, because of that, I kind of have the, like, I feel 521 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,920 like I have like a barrier almost like most of the time 522 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,640 when someone comments something that's hateful or, you know, 523 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,880 mean or whatever, my immediate thought is just like, you know, 524 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,080 they're insecure. Like they're, you know, like, I 525 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,840 mean, yeah, they're just commenting that 'cause they want 526 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,520 to put me down. Yeah, like. 527 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,560 And honestly, that's truly what I believe it is most of the 528 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,600 time. And there's only been like a 529 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,560 handful of comments that have like really got under my skin. 530 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,640 So I don't know, I think that I've been blessed with a 531 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,800 confidence because my wife is just like, so encouraging and 532 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,120 really supportive of what I've done. 533 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,560 And then when I started, I found success very quickly. 534 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,280 And so in a way, I feel like that's giving me confidence to 535 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,560 just, you know, kind of block that out, you know? 536 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,280 Yeah, as humbly as I can say. That no, I get, no, I totally 537 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,280 get it. It's it. 538 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,160 But it's I found it interesting how in the sea of positivity, we 539 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,680 tend to hone in on that negativity. 540 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,000 Yeah. I remember there was a time 541 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,880 where like I had really started to get into what I was doing. 542 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,800 I was working full time here, so I was able to pump out a lot of 543 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,440 content and I was feeling great. It wasn't really something, it 544 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,520 wasn't really a lot of of style of content that manufacturers 545 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,800 were putting out. So it really, it really helped 546 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,040 us stand out. And I but I remember for some, I 547 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,640 don't know who it was, but he commented on at least three or 548 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,400 four of my videos and he literally said you are the worst 549 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,440 thing to happen to disc golf. Wow. 550 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,720 And then on another video said you need to be fired from 551 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,240 Dynamic Discs. You are terrible. 552 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,360 And I'm like, what is this guy's I I think it was an episode 553 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,040 where I even talked on the disc golf answer. 554 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,240 I talked about him. I was like, what is this man's 555 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,280 deal? And everybody kept saying it. 556 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,200 So my point is like, your, your support system. 557 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,720 Yeah, my family, the people here were like, dude, stop listening 558 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,800 to them. Look at all the other comments. 559 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,920 People are loving it. They think it's great. 560 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,200 But it's always that it's like in the back of your head is 561 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,800 like, what is your deal, dude? You know, I always want to say 562 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,520 what? Let's get on the phone. 563 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,880 What is your problem? What is your problem? 564 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,360 So yeah, yeah, sometimes you have to kind of I and I get the 565 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,920 whole thing where you don't want to sound like too overconfident, 566 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,160 but you have to have, you know, the the other way of looking at 567 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,840 that, you just have to have a thick skin and you have to know 568 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,160 that you know what, I'm just doing what I love doing and 569 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,640 people are loving it. And so I'm going to keep giving 570 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,320 the people what they want and just kind of ignore that the 571 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,480 negativity. Yeah, well, well, luckily for 572 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,760 me, I feel like most of the time I get something hateful. 573 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,440 It's something I've already thought, you know, it's like, 574 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,960 yeah, I already knew about that. Like one of the things when I 575 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,760 first started, like I said, I tried to ace, you know, I hate I 576 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,080 hateful comment I got a lot is that's not a real ace, you know, 577 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,680 like that's not a real ace. But then usually followed by 578 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,760 like, get out, get out of the sport. 579 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,720 You know, we don't need that. Like you're too quick pace like 580 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,800 I got early on. I got a lot of like you're bad, 581 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,800 like same, same to you, same thing you got probably is like 582 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,600 you're bad for the sport. You know we don't want you in 583 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,840 the sport doing this. Wow. 584 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,040 And so I feel like those at first definitely hurt my 585 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,480 feelings. Those were ones. 586 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,760 And then recently in a video, it was, it was some comments that 587 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,640 got me and it was because it was something that I had thought in 588 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,560 the back of my head already, you know. 589 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:07,600 So it was the I tried to qualify for a pro tour event video 4 590 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,239 videos ago. And I tried to go to Waco and 591 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,800 qualify and I just played really bad. 592 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,320 And I was gonna scrap the video cuz I was just like no one 593 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,880 really wants to watch me play really bad. 594 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,440 But I like I think I posted on my Instagram story and I was 595 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,760 like, should I scrap this? And I got 8 million comments 596 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,600 that were like, no, post a video. 597 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,520 We want to see like journey and struggle and blah blah blah. 598 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,400 And in the back of my head I'm like, man, like they're just 599 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,159 going to like people aren't going to watch, watch me play 600 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:41,440 bad. And so I post a video and you 601 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,400 know, like you said, it was a million comments that were like, 602 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,000 dude, sucks that you play bad, but we really appreciate you 603 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,159 like letting us in on this and blah blah blah, blah. 604 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,800 But then there was like 5 or 6 comments that were like this 605 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:59,880 dude's 60 rated, he should be 800 rated, you know, or this 606 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,760 dude is so bad at disc golf. Why did you even post this? 607 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,960 You should have just kept this in the drafts, you know, and it 608 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,080 was just the reason it got me was because it was like my 609 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,120 thoughts are ready you. Know it was like. 610 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,640 I was worried people would think this and then they thought it 611 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,000 and so Dang it, you know? And it really those comments got 612 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,920 me. But other than that, most of the 613 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,400 time it's just drivel and like just meaningless. 614 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,720 And I read it and I'm like, OK, you know, you can think that 615 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,400 like I'm not going to respond or give you the time of day and so. 616 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,520 Yeah, it is interesting to find out what's popular and what 617 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,400 people really want to watch. I remember it early on when I 618 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,480 was doing content and I was thinking, you know, I like disc 619 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,680 golf, but I don't, I don't, I don't like die and breathe disc 620 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,120 golf constantly, right? And so I couldn't I don't, I can 621 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,640 help someone learn a little bit about disc golf as far as like 622 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,920 throwing discs. I'm I'm not great at throwing 623 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,120 discs and I always that always hindered me or it kind of held 624 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,840 me back from doing stuff as far as me throwing discs. 625 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,600 And I was scared that people were going to pick on me for not 626 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,560 being really good at disc golf. But then I realized that people 627 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,360 actually appreciated that, right? 628 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,400 They saw Eric McCabe throwing the discs. 629 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:16,040 They can't throw like Eric McCabe, but a lot of people 630 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,360 could. They'll throw like me. 631 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,200 So they have the same struggles. So yeah, so watch, you know, 632 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,120 watching you struggle, but having this higher goal, 633 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,520 definitely. I could see where people are 634 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,480 like, man, I just want to see this guy try and I want someone 635 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,560 to root for. And actually he's he's he's more 636 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:31,800 like me. He's more just a kind of a 637 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,080 casual guy. He's just trying to trying to do 638 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,760 good at a sport that he fell in love with. 639 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,760 So I think that's great. And. 640 00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:41,800 And luckily it's a lot of people giving me props and being like, 641 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,480 we know you'll get there. You know, we appreciate that it 642 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,360 wasn't just like that. You know, they, they're like, 643 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,920 this is part of the journey, you know, and, and like the people 644 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,040 that are here already are like, dude, like we're glad to be in 645 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,680 this low because when the high comes, it'll be even better 646 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,920 because we saw you when, you know, you were not playing well, 647 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,240 which has been the last few months. 648 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,640 Well, let's keep, I want to keep diving into some strategy stuff. 649 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,560 So, so you, you said you love YouTube. 650 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,600 So you, you know, you've, you've learned a lot about YouTube. 651 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,480 I'm sure you, a lot of things you do are intentional. 652 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,920 You mentioned, you know, the thumbnail and the first few, you 653 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,000 know, gosh, the, it used to be, I remember reading articles 654 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,960 where it was the first, you had to catch them in the first 7 655 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,480 seconds, Then it was you got to catch them in the first 3 656 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,760 seconds. And now I've read that when it 657 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,040 comes to TikTok, if you don't capture their attention in the 658 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,080 first one or two frames, you're going to lose them. 659 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,200 And that's just insane. So in your creative process, in 660 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:48,440 your storytelling, how do you balance between wanting to 661 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,840 create content, telling a great story, but also making sure that 662 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,280 you do the things that get people to watch your video? 663 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:05,920 I feel like how I do it is my shorts are tailored to the 664 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,440 algorithm. Yeah. 665 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,240 And my long form videos are where I can just do what I want 666 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:12,200 to do. OK. 667 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:17,560 Like when I'm thinking about a short that's like, like you 668 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,480 mentioned, that's when I'm OK What is the opening shot? 669 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:26,320 You know, what is the line that I'm going to make people watch 670 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,920 the rest of want to watch the rest of everything? 671 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,320 You know, this disc has dimples on it. 672 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,200 You know, this disc is blah, blah, blah, you know, and then 673 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:40,040 have a shot of whatever is very intriguing and then also have 674 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:49,080 some but, you know, like some tension that's going to, you 675 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:54,000 know, unfold and then right as it reveals is when the video 676 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,280 ends, you know. And so that's my, like, thought 677 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:04,520 process for shorts, like very tailored towards what is needed 678 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:09,160 to give use. Not that I don't enjoy them. 679 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,920 I really enjoy making them. And I put a lot of creative 680 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,800 effort to make them as engaging and fun and storyful as I can. 681 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,080 And like, yeah, I try to put funny stuff in there too, 682 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,160 because that's just kind of who I am. 683 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,440 But then from my full length videos, you know, I think a lot 684 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,200 about title and thumbnail. But in terms of like intro, most 685 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:35,320 of the time it's kind of just like, how do I want to introduce 686 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,560 this story? You know, like I'm, I'm edit, 687 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,400 I'm in the creative process with a video right now where I went, 688 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,960 and I already did this once. I went and investigated an 689 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,600 abandoned course in Michigan. Well, Jesse at Trash Panda found 690 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,400 another abandoned course in Denver that we went and checked 691 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,120 out. And so I just filmed the intro 692 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,800 for this video, which I had already scripted before, and 693 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,440 it's pretty much just like setting the stage. 694 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,560 And I don't really mention the abandoned course that we're 695 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:15,640 going to in this video until 20 or 30 seconds in which. 696 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,720 You know, if you talk to Mr. Beast or some of those other 697 00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,800 guys, like I'm going to lose everybody. 698 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:29,080 But my mindset with full length content is I'm trying to post, 699 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:34,960 like, every video I post, my goal is for someone to watch it 700 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,480 from 10 years from now and not notice the difference in quality 701 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,680 from the videos I'm posting in 10 years, you know, and like, 702 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,640 also still be engaged, you know, like, it's a video they can 703 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,160 enjoy as much in 10 years as they can enjoy now. 704 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,120 Yeah. Like, it's not a disc review. 705 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,960 It's, it's, it's more than that. And so every time I make a 706 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,640 video, my goal is just to prove myself to the viewer that 707 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,200 regardless of what video they click on of mine, they're going 708 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,320 to enjoy it. You know, like, yes, I think a 709 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,360 lot about title and thumbnail. And I want to drive new people 710 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,920 into my videos, but what I'm trying to accomplish as much as 711 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,120 possible is just gaining trust with the general viewers so 712 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:24,840 that, you know, slowly my baseline views on each of my 713 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:30,760 videos just grows, you know, like this many, this many people 714 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,640 trust me to just watch every single video I post, you know, 715 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,920 regardless of the topic. Like, you know, you can go 716 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:43,880 around the sport or even just general YouTube and see people 717 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,520 that are very based on like, hey, this has to be a good idea 718 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,160 or we're not going to get views. You know, here's a video that 719 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,840 got 1 million views. And then their next video they 720 00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,120 posted got 20,000 views. You know, and it's like that 721 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,200 that's, that has to happen for someone to grow, right? 722 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,480 But my goal is like sustainable growth where it's like, yeah, 723 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,080 maybe I do have a video that pops every so often, but then 724 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,560 you look at my baseline views and it's not that drastically 725 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:19,400 different because I have an audience who is like committed 726 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,480 to coming back to every video. So like that's that's kind of my 727 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:30,040 mindset with like not worrying as much about my intros in my 728 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,440 full length videos. I'm obviously still like trying 729 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,360 to like, I'm not just talking about Willy nilly stuff. 730 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,960 And it's going to be fast-paced and related to the video, but 731 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:47,440 I'm not typically really worried about that first line, you know, 732 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,040 like it doesn't have to be as it's not as important to me as 733 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,000 like a short is, you know, like for this abandoned course video, 734 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,880 it should be like in this video, I'm going to go to blah, blah, 735 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,840 blah. And this is going to happen and 736 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,280 Oh my gosh, you have to stick around to see this. 737 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:10,040 But like, instead I say, half a year ago, I investigated an 738 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,080 abandoned disc golf course in Michigan. 739 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,080 And while I say that, I'm like loading up my suitcase. 740 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:22,520 And so my goal is like a little bit of like, wait, OK, so he did 741 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,360 this before. And then why is he loading his 742 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,560 suitcase? And then so for the whole intro, 743 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,200 it's kind of me like putting stuff in my suitcase, shutting 744 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,360 it, you know, pulling it open. And then right at the end of the 745 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,040 intro, right before things start moving is like me walking out 746 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,920 the door and being like, all right, I'm going to Colorado to 747 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,480 look at this abandoned course. And then it's gonna like hard 748 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,320 cut and do like a little montage really quick to get to Colorado, 749 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,400 you know, and that's more of a creative decision for me just 750 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,240 because I like that. Like I, I think it's interesting 751 00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:58,320 and I found the perfect music track that I think is like 752 00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:03,360 really awesome. And it's more just like, that's 753 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,880 what I think is sick and I want to do it rather than, oh, I 754 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,520 should prioritize boosting this course right at the beginning. 755 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,320 So we really want to see what's going on with it later, so. 756 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,960 Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. 757 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:21,600 One of the things as I'm listening you talk through it is 758 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,560 what I've learned over time, is trying to be more organized and 759 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,800 structured. At the beginning. 760 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,480 I was at the beginning when I made the vlogs here at Dynamic 761 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,240 Discs, I was really just like, OK, I kinda know what's gonna 762 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:37,200 happen for the day. I'm just gonna film everything 763 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,280 and hopefully a story happens. Yeah, yeah. 764 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,360 Sometimes I had to make up something to make it come 765 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,520 together halfway through the day cuz nothing's happening. 766 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,200 But I'm starting to learn that, you know that definitely. 767 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,640 Has to happen time to. Time. 768 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,120 Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's sometimes. 769 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,200 You just have to let it go. And you have to wing it. 770 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,520 But so many times I was like, OK, what am I going to talk 771 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:57,120 about? Oh crap. 772 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,920 I'm just going to film everything that happens and see 773 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,120 what happens, what comes up along the way. 774 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,960 So, so that's something I've learned is to do more of a of a 775 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,640 pre scripting, figuring it out. Because right now I'm getting, 776 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,240 well, I'm getting ready on Tuesday, I'm going to fly out to 777 00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:14,320 Portland for the Northwest Championship. 778 00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:16,480 Awesome. And we're going to do it. 779 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,560 We're going to, I'm going to try bringing back the disc golf 780 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,800 adventure vlog style stuff that we used to do. 781 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,440 Of course with the new latest type of editing and styles and 782 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:28,800 stuff like that. I want to bring kind of the 783 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,160 newer stuff to it, but it's like a little daunting. 784 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,200 I'm like, oh crap, have I even thought about what we're doing? 785 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,200 What are we going to do every day? 786 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,240 What am I doing? So. 787 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:42,880 When, when, When people ask me, you know, what do I need to do 788 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,240 to improve my YouTube videos for disc golf? 789 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,600 I always tell them like, well, OK, I pretty much tell them what 790 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,880 I, what I don't do. But I think I've gotten into a 791 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,520 position where I've proven myself enough that I can do 792 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,280 this, you know? But I always tell them, like, 793 00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:06,720 get that intro, you know, like, that's your priority. 794 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,840 Like, if you have a good intro that sets the stage for your 795 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,880 video, people would just stick around for the rest of it, you 796 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,200 know? And so for you, yeah, like, 797 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,640 yeah, that's what I would say too, you know, after I just said 798 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,440 the opposite about my stuff. But. 799 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,640 No, I'm, I'm trying and the whole thing I'm trying to like, 800 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,120 OK, what's the, what's the kind of the put in your term? 801 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,400 What's going to be my a plot? Is it just going to the event? 802 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,600 No, it's got to be something more. 803 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,520 Than that. So have you been to an event 804 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,920 since you? No, that's one of the things was 805 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,640 going to be like my, my getting back to what are disc golf 806 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,440 tournaments like now or something like that. 807 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,200 Have they changed much or something? 808 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,720 So, yeah, but yeah, it's going to be fun. 809 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:52,520 I love doing that stuff, you know, as as a content creator 810 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,640 trying to do that. One of the challenges I do have 811 00:46:55,720 --> 00:47:00,040 is you mentioned about kind of what you give your audience and 812 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,520 you kind of want to give them the same thing because you don't 813 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,120 have the spikes because you don't want to make something 814 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,040 super crazy and then your next video be like something totally 815 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,400 different because then people are like, wait a minute, what am 816 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,960 I doing? I used to tell some of my 817 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:17,080 players that were on our team is that imagine if you went to your 818 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,840 favorite Taco spot and you had your your meal that you always 819 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,760 wanted the three steak fajitas and they were the best, right? 820 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,520 And on the you've been going for years and all of a sudden you go 821 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,240 back and they turned into a spaghetti shop. 822 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,760 You're gonna be like, wait a minute, I want my three tacos, 823 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,160 right? I'm not want spaghetti. 824 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,000 It's the same thing with content. 825 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,560 It's like this is what they came for. 826 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,520 This is what they love. Be careful how you navigate and 827 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:43,800 you change. And I'm not saying you can never 828 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,720 change, but you can't just, you know, abruptly change the style 829 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:49,200 on them. But with with the dynamic disc 830 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,480 YouTube channel, the battle I'm facing is that I've got I want 831 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,360 to tell the story of dynamic discs, but I also want to tell 832 00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,280 the story of the team players. And it's like, do I show the 833 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,120 coverage of them playing? Do I mix that in with disc golf 834 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,920 answer and podcast? And then I got to mix that in 835 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,320 with fun crazy stuff. And it's like, how do I find a 836 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,080 good balance so that people don't go, this isn't what I came 837 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,200 for, you know, I came for something else. 838 00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:16,440 So I'm working through. I have an idea of how I want to 839 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,160 do it, but I'm working through that. 840 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,480 As like a brand entity, I feel like I've seen a lot of success 841 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,720 with serialized content, you know? 842 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,360 For me. They don't really do it that 843 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,880 much, but as a brand, it's like there there might be people who 844 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:39,080 only come for the disc golf answer man podcast, you know, 845 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,760 and then there might be people that only come for the fun 846 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,960 vloggies. If you are good about titling 847 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,520 it, you know, maybe just have a second part that, you know, have 848 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,600 a hooky title and then have a second part that says disc golf 849 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,760 answer man podcast episode, blah, blah, blah. 850 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,880 Then, you know, hooky title. And then this Golf Adventures 851 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:04,800 episode 1, you know, then people will know what to expect from 852 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,560 those of it. Like it's almost a subset of the 853 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,200 of the channel. Yeah. 854 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:16,400 Like it's kind of it's like instead of being a Taco shop at 855 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:22,360 Dynamic Disc, you'd be like a mall where you can still have a 856 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,760 Taco shop segment, which is just, you know, the disc golf at 857 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,880 answer man podcast and people know to expect tacos from there. 858 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:35,200 But you also have, you know, the subway, which is adventures, you 859 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,840 know, like I think I think that would be successful as well. 860 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,840 And I don't think it would be something that would be 861 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,160 confusing as long as you, you know, kind of put a title or 862 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,160 something in there that delineates it from the other 863 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,520 stuff, right? Yeah, and I think the the 864 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,000 underlying story that will always be maybe not in your 865 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,960 face, but kind of felt is that we're just telling stories about 866 00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,560 people, right the disc, you know, the the pot like this this 867 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,680 right here. I'm telling stories about people 868 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,680 in disc golf. You know, I'm telling the story 869 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,480 of an adventure going to Portland because I want to see 870 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,960 what's going on with disc golf and how it's grown. 871 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,160 And you know, so that's going to kind of be the overlying over 872 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,120 arcing story is growing the sport of disc golf, right. 873 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,600 And so I kind of see that and it was a similar challenge. 874 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,280 I had it when I worked at Tulsa Shields because within the 875 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,240 store, it's like a mall itself within there with 75 different 876 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:29,760 shops and trying to figure out how do I create content that 877 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,040 tailors toward the guy that hunts and how do I make content 878 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,840 that also then appeals to? Well, not necessarily appeals, 879 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,440 but if I have the guy that hunts and I show the latest rifles or 880 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,640 the latest hunting gear, he'll want to see what's going on. 881 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,640 But then I got to show the latest jeans that come out for 882 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,160 the ladies. And so it's like, how do I find 883 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,720 the balance? So it's almost like even the the 884 00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:55,960 look, the aesthetics of each post was a little bit different. 885 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,360 That way you can kind of subconsciously go, oh, OK, this 886 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,840 is more of a passion post. This is more of a hunting, this 887 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,200 is for me. Yeah. 888 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:03,880 So. But cool. 889 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,280 OK. Would title the video something 890 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,960 like what's changed in disc golf in the last five years. 891 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,800 Yeah, or something like. That and and then, you know, in 892 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,560 the intro be like, hey, I've been out of the sport for five 893 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,560 years, you know this. And then you have I'm sure you 894 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:26,400 have Buku's of content or like, you know, stocked up footage and 895 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,720 be like, this is what it used to be. 896 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,920 I don't know what to expect. Yeah, let's check it out, you 897 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,560 know, and then and then the B plot would be, you know, we're 898 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,120 Dynamic Discs. Look at these awesome team 899 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,440 players, you know, this one's performing well or you know, get 900 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,000 a practice round or whatever, you know? 901 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,120 I think the C if I had AC plot, it might be something that would 902 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,840 be a recurring theme sometimes would be trying to find the best 903 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,840 Taco shop. So I love my Taco. 904 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,280 So but no, that's I love that. That's that's that's good info. 905 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,880 So I'll probably be working on that a little bit this week. 906 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,440 I'm going to take some time off. Of course, we're recording this 907 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,000 on Friday right before Memorial weekend. 908 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,160 So but I don't want to take up too much more of your time. 909 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,520 So I appreciate you taking the time. 910 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:15,960 But just some some quick shot questions to help understand 911 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,560 your, your thinking. Let's say if the PDGA called you 912 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,440 tomorrow, and maybe they already have, gosh, as much as awareness 913 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,000 you're building for yourself and they asked you to make a video 914 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,880 to introduce someone to disc golf, what would it what would 915 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,600 it look like? The PDGA has not called me. 916 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,080 To do that. Hello, PDGA. 917 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,640 Come on. Yeah, come on, man. 918 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,560 Come on, pay me. Hi. 919 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:43,160 This guy but I actually let me see if I have the script. 920 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,520 Here, do you have one? I want to make a video called 921 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,200 Why You Should Play Disc Golf. There you go. 922 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,120 And I want it to be so I'm sure. Or maybe not. 923 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,240 I'm sure. Have you seen Casey Neistat 924 00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:00,720 before? No, yes, yeah, that dude, I, I 925 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:06,040 when he started his one year vlog every day, one once a day. 926 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,840 Oh, I was eating that up. Such good stuff it. 927 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:16,120 Is like a Nike ad commercial. So what I would want to do is 928 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,160 like something really fast-paced like that, OK, with, like some 929 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,800 cool, you know, if I could find some cool stock footage that I 930 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,000 can overlay and like, you know, kind of more like the video 931 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:34,240 would be two minutes, you know, And so it would be kind of, I 932 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:38,680 would want it to jump between serious and funny and like, 933 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,160 really hit on the points that say, you know, here it says disc 934 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,080 golf is free to play. 80%. Eighty, 8% of Americans live 935 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,960 within 10 miles of a course. I put getting outside is 936 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,120 scientifically proven to be good for you. 937 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:59,640 And there's no barrier to entry. And I I, you know, like any age 938 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,160 can play. I truly believe disc golf is 939 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:06,680 like the most accessible sport out there. 940 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,200 You know, like, I won't argue with a wall when it comes to 941 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,000 that because like what I just said, you know, you need one 942 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:19,240 disc that's $8 in a used bin. Almost all courses are free. 943 00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:22,560 And like I said, they're within 10 miles of 88% of Americans. 944 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,160 You know, if you're older, if you're younger, like you can 945 00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,440 still throw a disc, you know, like maybe your form's a little 946 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:35,880 wonky, but you can get it 200 or 250, maybe even 300, you know, 947 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:42,200 and like anyone can play. And like, I, yeah, I, I'll talk 948 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:48,720 about it and, and, and say like I, I, I want disc golf to get to 949 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:54,320 the masses because truly anyone can play and it's so fun. 950 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,680 And I feel like it could just really launch itself into like 951 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:00,960 bigger than pickleball, you know, like bigger than some of 952 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,320 these sports that have crawled up in the last few years. 953 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,400 So yeah, that, that would be the video I'd make. 954 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,960 It's just like essentially a pitch. 955 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,360 I don't know. I want to make that video. 956 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,160 I think it'd be really cool. I think that's cool. 957 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,840 I'd love to see it. Yeah, that's pretty cool. 958 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,920 All right, well, J Millie, I appreciate your time. 959 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,800 I've learned a lot and I'm going to continue obviously, watching 960 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,160 your stuff and learn more and more and hopefully we can stay 961 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,680 connected. What it what is your like? 962 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,600 What's your like 5? How, what, how, what would you 963 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,400 want to see for yourself in five years? 964 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,880 Is it still in disc golf? Is it doing something just more 965 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:43,080 in YouTube or what? I well, so I, I work full time 966 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,760 right now. I'm an engineer at a company. 967 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:50,120 So I mean, you know, don't tell the company, but my goal is to 968 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,720 do disc golf full time in five years. 969 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,560 I really, I really love this sport. 970 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,400 I love making content. Yeah. 971 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,520 You know, right now there's not a ton of money in disc golf, so 972 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,000 I'm not making a ton of money, but this is what I want to do. 973 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,440 And so I'm going to try my best to figure it out. 974 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,840 So that's first and foremost that in five years. 975 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,720 Yeah. I I want to be doing disc golf 976 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,480 and making YouTube videos. I never really want to 977 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,280 transition from disc golf YouTube. 978 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,080 I don't know maybe my mind will change but as of right now like 979 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:32,080 I don't really like when I don't know. 980 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,200 I don't want to hate or anything but I'm not a big fan of when 981 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:41,520 people make other kind of content like start doing video 982 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,040 games or. Oh yeah, yeah. 983 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,800 Like, I'm just going to make disc golf content, you know, OK, 984 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,160 maybe if I get to a insane size and I feel like I've capped and 985 00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,280 I can make other content, but I really don't have other ideas 986 00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:56,320 right now. You know? 987 00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,320 Like my ideas are all disc golf stuff. 988 00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,720 That's what I'm passionate about. 989 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,320 Yeah. That's the content I want to 990 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,680 make, so that's where I see myself in five years. 991 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,920 I see myself at 1,000,000 subscribers. 992 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,600 Boom, I love it yes yeah, that's fantastic. 993 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,400 That'd be great. So well, good for you, man. 994 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,200 Well, you definitely have the talent for it. 995 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,760 You have the I for it and the work ethic for it. 996 00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,960 So it I love it and I'm I'm sure you'll you'll be able to hit 997 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,480 those goals, whatever those goals are as far as subscribers 998 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,480 and and reach and stuff like that. 999 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:26,600 So. But where do you use? 1000 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,040 Yourself in five years. In five years. 1001 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:36,760 Oh God, I want to, for the lack of a better way to say it, I 1002 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:42,200 want to bring Dynamic Discs back to when it was I, I, I knew 1003 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,600 Dynamic Discs when it was at its best. 1004 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,320 But that's to imply that it's, it's bad. 1005 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,240 It's, it's really not bad right now. 1006 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,920 There are a lot of great people that work here and they have a 1007 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,640 passion for growing the sport. They want to see it succeed. 1008 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,960 There's been a lot of punches that disc golf has taken and 1009 00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,520 Dynamic Discs has taken and some of the other brands. 1010 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,960 And I think some of it's been fair, some of it's been unfairly 1011 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,320 ridiculed. But man, I want to see it back 1012 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,800 to where I'm just on my hoverboard in the warehouse 1013 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,720 telling people about new stuff we have coming out, going out to 1014 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,720 disc golf tournaments and meeting people. 1015 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,680 And just. I'll tell you what it was. 1016 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,800 I told my fiance when I was coming back that this was like, 1017 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,480 this was less of coming back to a job and more of like getting 1018 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,240 back to like a family reunion. It really was. 1019 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,920 She even mentioned when she was here when I came for the. 1020 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:42,960 Oh, by the way. Yeah. 1021 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,360 Oh, should we tell people that you knew about this before? 1022 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,080 Yeah. Yeah. 1023 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,120 So inside scoop. So when I whistleblower. 1024 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,760 No, he did great. And I appreciate that I was here 1025 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,440 for the Glass One open block party. 1026 00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,560 And I wanted to do a a video announcement, which we never 1027 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,360 ended up using because it didn't it didn't have the tone I 1028 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:04,800 wanted. It didn't turn out I wanted. 1029 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,400 But I was filming something. And you were in here filming for 1030 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,120 your Glass One open episode. I'm a suit, right? 1031 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,240 Yeah. You were talking to Eric McCabe. 1032 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,000 And, you know, I said hi to you and everything, and I recognized 1033 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:16,920 you. And I thought that was cool. 1034 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:18,960 And then I saw you guys walking around the camera. 1035 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,720 I was like, whoa, whoa, hey, wait a minute, guys. 1036 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,880 Don't don't say anything because it's not official yet. 1037 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,280 It was like a week before I spotted in the dynamic. 1038 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:33,000 Square House. So anyway, when I came that 1039 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,600 time, I had my fiance with me because I wanted her to meet a 1040 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,600 bunch of the people. And one of the things she 1041 00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,960 pointed out was like it whenever I saw everybody was saying, hey, 1042 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,600 how are you doing? It wasn't just a handshake, it 1043 00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,400 was a big old hug. And it was just like, that's 1044 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,720 what it's all about here. It wasn't just a slogan. 1045 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,320 It really is all about family here. 1046 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,520 So anyway, I wanna see. I wanna see dynamic Disk back to 1047 00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,600 how great it was in the eyes of the customers and everybody out 1048 00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:00,840 there. Yeah. 1049 01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:01,960 And I know it can get there. So. 1050 01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,440 But that's how I'd like to see myself in five years, still 1051 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,720 making goofy content and having fun. 1052 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,560 That's the cool thing that I, that drives me is the goofiness. 1053 01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,720 I'm on camera that you see in the video. 1054 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,120 It's just because I'm having a great time, man. 1055 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,680 Yeah, yeah. I don't care when I mess up. 1056 01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,960 You know, people, you know, we're talking about strategy. 1057 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,320 And here I go on a tangent myself. 1058 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,480 We talk about strategy when I make a mistake. 1059 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,520 I love it when people comment on it because give me that 1060 01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,160 engagement, you know, You know, give me all that. 1061 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,160 True. And I just have a great time 1062 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,440 doing it, and I want to keep having fun while I'm doing it. 1063 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,400 That's how I see myself. Totally. 1064 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,640 I mean, that's that's what it's all about is truly enjoying what 1065 01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:44,840 we're doing, right? Yeah. 1066 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,800 So that's part of the reason I want to do disc golf on YouTube. 1067 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,040 That sounds sounds like a lot of fun, right? 1068 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:51,280 Nice. Yeah, absolutely. 1069 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:52,600 I love it. All right, well, I'll let you 1070 01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,920 get to your day. And I, again, I appreciate Jimmy 1071 01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,800 Lee. But real quick, I know most of 1072 01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,280 the my listeners and viewers are gonna know who you are, but just 1073 01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,800 in case, how can people check out your stuff? 1074 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,000 It just popped up everything. Yeah, very cool. 1075 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,320 I would yes, if you want to be, if you have not watched his 1076 01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,880 YouTube stuff and you want to be introduced to J Millie, I would 1077 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,200 say the Glossman open video is definitely a great one to start 1078 01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:17,520 with. And then just, you know, start 1079 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:18,720 looking into all his other stuff. 1080 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:23,040 So I know I'll be watching. So, so I appreciate it, man, and 1081 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,840 I hope you have a fantastic day and hopefully we can maybe, you 1082 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,160 know, every now and then check back in with you and see how 1083 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,120 things are going. And yeah, awesome. 1084 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,320 All right, guys, you have a fantastic day. 1085 01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,080 All right, good stuff from Jay Millie. 1086 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,080 Thanks again to him for jumping on the show, man. 1087 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,680 I learned a lot about his creative process. 1088 01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,600 That was so good. Again, guys, I know that this 1089 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,520 was not quite about disc golf, but it was kind of what he what 1090 01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,360 he referred to as disc golf adjacent. 1091 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,120 So interesting stories to learn about what's happening in disc 1092 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,000 golf. If you like this kind of stuff, 1093 01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,320 put in the comments below. Tell me someone I need to reach 1094 01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,800 out to. Who should I reach out to learn 1095 01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,880 more about their disc golf story? 1096 01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,840 And if you're listening to this on audio and on Spotify, you 1097 01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,160 should be able to leave a comment or you can go to the 1098 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:14,640 disc golf answerman.com website, go to send in your question and 1099 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,360 just let me know. Let me know there. 1100 01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,440 Say, hey, I was listening to one of your episodes about disc golf 1101 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,920 stories, and I think this person would be an interesting person 1102 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,840 to learn more about their disc golf story. 1103 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:26,760 Guys, thank you so much. We'll see you on the next 1104 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:27,200 episode.