1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,240 Hello everybody, and welcome to this episode of the Disc Golf 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,280 Pants Man. I am Bobby, Cool Daddy, Slick 3 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,880 Breeze. And today is another disc golf 4 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,080 answer man interview. Now this is Nick and Justin from 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,120 the Disc Golf Show. And I've known these guys for 6 00:00:12,120 --> 00:00:15,360 the longest time, way back when we first started our podcast 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,960 back in 2014. And ever since I've been with 8 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:23,720 Dynamic Discs, I've chatted with them on text, on messages and 9 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,440 have talked to them about different things going on with 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,680 disc golf, but I've never really actually sat in on a video call 11 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:29,880 and talked to them and interviewed them. 12 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,400 So I was like, you know what, I think it's about time. 13 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,280 So in this episode we get to know Nick and just a little bit 14 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,480 more how they got their start, a little bit what they got going 15 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:40,000 on right now and a little bit of future what's going on with 16 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,560 their show, The Disc Golf Show. So let's get into it. 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,600 All right, guys, So how are you doing today? 18 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:53,880 I'm not. Oh, that's I. 19 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,600 Wow, I. Just thought some questions. 20 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,800 I'm not You hit us with the hard ones, right they? 21 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,200 They only get more more hard. They get harder after this one. 22 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,200 So I guess we got to stay tuned. Jeez. 23 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,360 It's been a it's been a good morning. 24 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:09,640 I've got coffee. I'm good. 25 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:14,280 I'm good, I'm good. Oh yeah, you guys are what, two 26 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,320 hours behind? I'm 1250 right now. 27 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:18,640 You guys are what, 1050? Yep, you got it. 28 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,200 OK, so still kind of still kind of the mid morning gonna hit 29 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,040 into the afternoon for you guys. That's awesome. 30 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,600 So well, like I said in the intro, I've been following you 31 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,320 guys for quite some time, have known about you, we've chatted, 32 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:34,160 we've messaged before and but I've never actually got to like 33 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,360 sit and talk with you guys. So I thought this would be a 34 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,280 great opportunity to do that. And just for some people that 35 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,360 probably hadn't heard of you, tell me a little bit about the 36 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,000 disc golf show history. Give me the elevator pitch of 37 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,960 the disc Golf Show, how it started and where you got to 38 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,000 where you are now. Justin. 39 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,240 Sure. Yeah, Nick actually approached 40 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,640 me with the idea first. We were, we were doing a 41 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:00,880 podcast. What was that? 42 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,040 2000 and 5:00-ish I think. It was a while ago. 43 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,360 Yeah, and we're doing this podcast about news, and it had 44 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,400 seven people on it, and it was a terrible mistake. 45 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,760 But you know, your first shows usually are and, and Nick was 46 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,760 like, you know, hey, there's this disc golf thing because 47 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,440 he'd recently introduced me to disc golf and he's like, why 48 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,960 don't we do a podcast on it? It's fun, you enjoy it, right? 49 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,200 And like, yeah, sure, why not? So and that, that's literally 50 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,320 how it started. We're like, I like podcasting, I 51 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,640 like disc golf. We put them together. 52 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:36,480 That's that's basically it. There was no really thought 53 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:38,800 other than that kind of put into it. 54 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:42,200 So it was, it was like anything like when you introduce somebody 55 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,920 to, to disc golf, they get hooked pretty quick. 56 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:49,200 Justin got hooked and Justin has a background with music. 57 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,320 So he has equipment, he has podcasting equipment. 58 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,080 And yeah, he, he was down to do it. 59 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:02,200 And we started it back in 2013, right around the time Smashbox 60 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,800 started theirs. And, you know, Terry's been 61 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,080 involved with disc golf guy stuff on his own forever. 62 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,600 But yeah, we were, it was, it was fun. 63 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,120 It was initially we just, you know, there wasn't a lot out 64 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:15,560 there. And we decided, you know, let's 65 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,600 do it monthly back then. And it was a lot of news to 66 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,360 cover. And, you know, we had a blast 67 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,280 doing it. We used to do it in person and 68 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,000 then we torched down with different other ways to do it 69 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,320 and until we got where we're at. A lot of failed experiments and 70 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,120 complicated setups. We tried the whole live 71 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,840 streaming thing. We did the whole Twitch thing. 72 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,800 Like we're trying everything just to just to see, just to 73 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,320 try. It was a lot of fun. 74 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,120 Yeah, back in those times, I think, yeah, because we started 75 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,960 the disc golf fans, man, I think 2014, it was around that time 76 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,240 there wasn't really a lot of disc golf podcasts. 77 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,400 When you had set out to do this, what was kind of the the 78 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,920 objective? Were you just going to talk disc 79 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,160 golf or maybe talk at disc golf events or tournaments? 80 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,440 What was kind of the game plan there? 81 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,360 Yes, all of that, all of that. I think it was the, IT was, you 82 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,040 know, we were so into it, at least for me, like I'm more on 83 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,000 like the technical side and I have a little artistic streak 84 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,000 too. But it was really like, I think 85 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,960 for me, what really I wanted to bring to the show was the stuff 86 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,800 that I wanted to like know about personally, right? 87 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:21,000 Like I, I was big into discs and the technology that went into 88 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,320 discs and how they were made in every manufacturer. 89 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,200 I wanted all of them. I want to throw them all and see 90 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,320 how they all flew and do that kind of stuff. 91 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,760 So really for me, I think what I tried to focus on at least is, 92 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,760 is the part of the show that I would bring is, is that aspect 93 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,400 like here's some discs and here's some stuff about it. 94 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,760 And I'm a beginner. Here's what I'm learning, here's 95 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,240 some techniques that, you know, Nick has been tossing to me and 96 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:44,680 and I'm getting better and he doesn't like it. 97 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,440 And this is how you can make your friends not like you too, 98 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,200 because you're getting better and, you know, just kind of like 99 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,040 those ideas, right? That's kind of what I would 100 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,280 focus on for the show. But the news aspect really, I 101 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:55,640 mean, I'll let Nick talk about that. 102 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,200 He's always been in it like he's been in it because he's been 103 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,840 playing it for, you know, forever because he's what, 104 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:03,840 you're like, 50 something now, next something. 105 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,040 I turn 47 next month. Let's calm down, OK? 106 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:08,960 I've got you about a few years, Nick. 107 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,800 So we're good. We're all good you. 108 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,280 Don't look. No, thank you. 109 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,920 Yeah, I I mean, the first time I ever played was like 96, I think 110 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,360 somewhere around there. 9596, a buddy introduced me to it and 111 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,720 when we started the show, actually the one thing that we 112 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:31,240 did decide the route we wanted to go was worldwide news. 113 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,440 And because again, I always throw it back to Terry. 114 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:39,040 Terry was so involved in deep with the pros because he played 115 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,240 so much in tournaments and stuff that we wanted to highlight 116 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,560 anybody and everybody that was trying to build something in the 117 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,760 community. And that's why we had a lot of 118 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,480 small businesses as guests. I mean, we did get around to the 119 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,080 point where we had a lot of pros on. 120 00:05:54,080 --> 00:06:00,160 We had Simon on a couple times, Eagle, Jamie Avery and Val Scott 121 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,960 Stokely was on like we had a lot of pros on as well. 122 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,160 But we had a lot of industry people on, which was really cool 123 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:12,960 to learn about that aspect of disc golf and it it was a 124 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,600 passion project for us. It wasn't about, you know, 125 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,440 anything financial or anything like that. 126 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,000 We just love playing and we wanted to bring as much 127 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,040 information to the masses as we could. 128 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:29,520 And funny enough, and Justin will remember this, our first 129 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,160 big support was from Europe. It was from. 130 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,520 Like Amsterdam. So I don't know if you know Dean 131 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,880 Schaub. He is a guy who does, he used to 132 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,680 call it Dean St. Amsterdam back in the day, but 133 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:50,160 he's like in the community over in Amsterdam in Europe. 134 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,360 And so he contacted us and he was one of our first like show 135 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,920 sponsors. And he goes, hey, you've got a 136 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,840 following. That's that's building over here 137 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:00,560 already. And that was kind of a shock to 138 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,520 us because we just started out and within, I think it was like 139 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,120 a couple months we started seeing again with Justin, he 140 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,960 does all the analytics. So he would be like, oh, you 141 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,960 know, we're, we're getting people from here and there and 142 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,720 all that good stuff. And that was a, that was a kind 143 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,760 of a shock to us as to the initial far reach that we had, 144 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,680 which was cool. Wow, that's pretty cool. 145 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,240 It's kind of like the power of the Internet, right? 146 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,480 You're like, you do the show as a hobby. 147 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,880 You know, that's that's kind of how it started, how it still is. 148 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:32,720 It's right. It's a hobby. 149 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,800 It's yeah, like Nick said, it was never for like monetary 150 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,720 because we we'd be poor. It'd be a terrible financial 151 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,320 decision. I would I would be sleeping on 152 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,760 the couch for many a nights if I had one. 153 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,640 I might have to sell it, but no like it just the the power of 154 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:55,080 reaching so many different places just by putting it out 155 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,600 there is just it blows me away to this day. 156 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,040 Like looking at the analytics now, like, oh, look, there's 157 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,920 there's a couple of people from Brazil that listen to the show. 158 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,720 Like, why? I mean, that's awesome. 159 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,120 But like, you know, you're just it blows me away sometimes. 160 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,160 Like, this is really cool. Like. 161 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,320 Yeah. I remember the beginning when I 162 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,280 started doing, yeah, when I started doing stuff and I did a 163 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,120 live, it was in 2009, I did a live stream of the Green Country 164 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,560 Open. And it was, I was in my 165 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,280 expedition and I was in the back part of it. 166 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,320 And I had a desktop computer that was plugged into the car 167 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,919 while it was running. And it was plugged in by 168 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:36,600 Ethernet to the house that was nearby. 169 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:39,640 And I was live streaming just two holes. 170 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,400 And I remember somebody in Australia said, well, they they 171 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,560 said, Oh my God, I'm here in Australia and I'm watching live 172 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:47,680 disc golf. This is amazing. 173 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:51,600 And that's when I was like, this is what I want to do, you know, 174 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:54,560 so and it is it is cool because you don't have to wait for 175 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:56,720 anybody to give you permission. You literally just have to 176 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,640 create an account somewhere and start live streaming and anybody 177 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,360 can TuneIn. So yeah, I, I totally get that, 178 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,880 that feeling of man, I have global reach and I'm sitting 179 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,040 here right in my living room. And at the time I was in 180 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,960 Pawhuska, Oklahoma, streaming out to the world. 181 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,320 So how, how do you guys feel? No, Well, let's, let's, let's 182 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,080 keep with the journey just a little bit, just so people 183 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,120 understand where you're coming from. 184 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,480 But I know that you at some point you guys took a break away 185 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,280 from it and then you decided to come back. 186 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,160 Tell me a little bit about that. It was. 187 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:34,920 All my fault, I confess. Justin's defense, he puts a lot 188 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,080 on himself. He stretches himself thin and 189 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,040 just because he's so willing to do things and and support 190 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,040 everything like that, but he just had a lot on his plate and 191 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,120 it was to a point where it was like a breaking point. 192 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,880 And so he's. Astronomical amount yeah, 193 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,160 astronomical. I like, you know, family and, 194 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,240 and nuke child and, you know, just all this stuff. 195 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:01,400 And it just came to a point where I'm like, dude, I, I 196 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,120 can't, I can't, I can't keep up with it. 197 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,640 I, I have this problem. And it's a very simple word in 198 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,320 the English language. It's no, I have a really hard 199 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,920 time saying that word. If somebody comes to me, like, 200 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,080 dude, you want to do this? And I'll be like, yeah, that's 201 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:17,960 my instinct answer, like, yeah, let's do it. 202 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,280 And then all of a sudden I'm like, Oh my gosh, I barely have 203 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,160 enough time to breathe, which the the first break was that 204 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,960 was, hey, look, I don't know if I can keep up with this anymore. 205 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:35,320 It's just not something, you know, that I, that I can really 206 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,840 bring any amount of good stuff to, right? 207 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,040 Just not in a good mental space because I'm stressed and I, I 208 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,320 can't bring good content because I don't have enough time to 209 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:46,880 research it, right? It's just one of those things, 210 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,640 right? It's just too much. 211 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,880 So I had to let something go. So that became the thing that I 212 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,080 let go. And we recently I have stepped 213 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,000 back from the show as well. I'm kind of more behind the 214 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,880 scenes now, but it doesn't mean I'm gone, just means I'm, I'm 215 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,440 taking a little break, trying to catch a breath again because 216 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:09,600 life is life is life, right? And it ends up and it ends up 217 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,880 giving us, I don't know, different avenues in what we can 218 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,720 do with the show because we talked about this like we do the 219 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:22,120 show and it's a good hour, hour and a half usually. 220 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,800 And for commute purposes that's kind of long for consumability 221 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,440 and this kind of and and this gives me the opportunity where 222 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,400 we don't have to schedule together to make sure everything 223 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,040 is lined up. I'll be able to do I'm trying to 224 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,760 kick it to weeklies now and that way is it's more consistent and 225 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,360 smaller you. Didn't want to do weekly 226 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,360 forever, forever. He's like, just let's do weekly, 227 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:47,760 let's do weekly. I'm like, dude, I will die. 228 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,440 I kind of want to do weekly. That's kind of one of the things 229 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:56,280 that kind of the first break was because we tried to do weekly. 230 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,960 We went from monthly to weekly. And I think that was what the 231 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:05,360 the tipping point was. And yeah, I mean, now that we 232 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,480 started back up, we started back the beginning of literally 233 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:14,720 January 1st of 2024, we did every other week. 234 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,720 And then like I said, we're trying to kick, I'm trying to 235 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,920 kick it to weekly now. And, you know, and, and I work 236 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,560 half in office, half home, so that gives me the flexibility to 237 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:29,400 do that. And it's just, there's a lot of 238 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,200 shows out there now and a lot of them that do with live are on 239 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,320 Tuesday. You've got tour life, you've got 240 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,240 Smashbox, they do live in the evenings and they're going 3 241 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,520 hours, you know, two to three hours on average probably. 242 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,400 And so I think maybe something like I said, maybe this opens up 243 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:53,320 a different Ave. for the show and there's other things that 244 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,120 Justin, I know he's got pet projects for the show that he 245 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,000 wants to work on as well outside of actually the podcast. 246 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,480 I'm not done. I'm not done. 247 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,360 You can't hold me down. I got I got stuff. 248 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,280 Yeah, it's coming out. I swear. 249 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,480 And it's and again like. I think that's that's, that's 250 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,360 one thing, though, that I think a lot of people might not 251 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,400 realize is when you you talk about doing a disc golf show or 252 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,360 a podcast really at all. And Bobby, I know you know this, 253 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,640 there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes to get this 254 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,960 thing done right. It's not just turn on the camera 255 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,720 and go, we're going to talk about disc off today. 256 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,840 I mean, you could, but it's going to show in your show, 257 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,840 right? There's so much research and 258 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,920 stuff that has to go into it, like talking about like the 259 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,520 discs or whatever. I've got a huge database of 260 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:40,880 every single aspect you can think of with a disc that when I 261 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,280 research new stuff that comes out that drops and I tell you 262 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,200 about it. I'm giving you an informed 263 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,040 opinion because I have all the data. 264 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,480 I'm running all that before I talk about it, right? 265 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,920 It's that type of stuff that's like, I don't think people 266 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,320 really realize. They're like, what's wrong with 267 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,000 weekly? There's a lot wrong with weekly 268 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,720 for me. Like, there's so much stuff you 269 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,400 have to do to prepare to do a show, you know? 270 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,560 Yeah. And that was like when we first 271 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:06,600 started and even now like my my thing was like let at first it 272 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,240 was like we don't have to create a show. 273 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,400 The show will be created by people's questions when they 274 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,520 submit the questions. But then we started realizing as 275 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,160 they submit questions, it's like it's better for us to kind of 276 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,680 research a little bit if they have a pretty in depth question, 277 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:21,720 excuse me, especially if it's about a certain disk or a 278 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,080 certain mold, just like we want to have a, a more informed 279 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,920 answer for you. So even when they submit the 280 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,840 questions and that's your content, they're still taking 281 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,440 time. You still have to take time to 282 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,720 do a little research and or grab the disks to be able to show the 283 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,440 disks while we're talking about it. 284 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,120 So I totally, I totally get that. 285 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,320 You're right. Weekly people, people think it's 286 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,040 just that hour or so that's all the work that's put into it that 287 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,080 week that they that they're that, that hour that they watch 288 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,200 it or listen, there's so much more behind the scenes that's 289 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,280 going on. So I completely agree there. 290 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,280 And Nick, you had mentioned something that right now there's 291 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,800 like a lot more. So yeah, like when I first 292 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,480 started, I think I did a search and I think there was maybe 5, 293 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,720 maybe 5 podcasts and a couple of them were more very, very local 294 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,880 centered podcast. But now I think there's like 40, 295 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,720 some of them have been out there for a couple years and then 296 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,360 they're dormant. But I could swear there's like 297 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,280 40 different disc golf podcast. What is what has been your all's 298 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,960 take on the evolution as far as it becoming now we all know that 299 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,480 podcasting has become a bigger format for people to get their 300 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,720 message out there. But to see disc golf kind of 301 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,960 kind of give me kind of what's your feedback on that, watching 302 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,720 it explode as far as a a medium that people get their message 303 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,240 out? I think personally, disc golf 304 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,560 and, and, and a lot of things, I think disc golf really got a big 305 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:49,000 push in in the front of a lot of people's faces when we had that, 306 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,600 that vid thing that showed up. You know what I mean? 307 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,600 Because people are looking for stuff to do and consume and, and 308 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,200 what are you going to do? You're sitting at home, you're 309 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,040 doom scrolling on, on the Youtubes and oh, there's a 310 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,880 there's a thing. Oh, disc, maybe I should try 311 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:06,000 that out, right. And I think because of the 312 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,840 availability, the ubiquity of information that you can get, I 313 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,320 think it's spawned all these things kind of naturally, right? 314 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,960 As time goes on and people have the ability and they know about 315 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,720 certain things and enjoy different hobbies, they're going 316 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,600 to do different things like create a podcast, right? 317 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,960 So I think it's just kind of a natural evolution of things as 318 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,080 as disc golf gets bigger, so too does all the other stuff that 319 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,560 goes around it, right? So I think it's just, I think we 320 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,800 are really, really pushed forward pretty fast with with 321 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,200 the lockdown, right. I think that really, really 322 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,000 escalated things. Yeah. 323 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,040 And and now like people feel like there's AI mean there is 324 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,840 there's a plateau, if not a little, there's a lull in growth 325 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,160 right now, but that's expected because of such of a large boom 326 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:57,600 during bid during COVID. But I think it's, I, I like it 327 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,720 because it gets those local podcasts get you a lot of 328 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,640 information from so many different areas and different 329 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,160 points of view. But it also shows you who's 330 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:16,240 super passionate about doing it and who like just what was 331 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,839 saying, who thinks, oh, it's just doing this and just doing 332 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:21,040 that. But then once you actually start 333 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,800 to commit time and you know, just building show notes for a 334 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:31,160 week or two, I'm constantly, as bad as it may be for me, I'm 335 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,040 constantly on social media and YouTube and all that stuff 336 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,920 looking for information that I can share with people. 337 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,120 And even it, even if it's a small, like I said, like the 338 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:43,200 little businesses. I remember when disc golf pins 339 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:48,720 started. I remember when, what is it Eric 340 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:54,440 and and Tina started their whale sack business. 341 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,240 I remember like all those little companies that started up and 342 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,600 seeing how big they are now and how they've changed over the 343 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,640 years and the different things that they offer now. 344 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:10,600 I, I personally enjoy just supporting other people. 345 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:15,280 Anytime I can get information to help grow somebody else. 346 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,680 That's what one of the main things that whenever I 347 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,360 contacted, because I was constant constantly contacting, 348 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:22,480 reaching out to different little businesses that would pop up. 349 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,400 I said, Hey, I if you want to send something great. 350 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,600 That's not the purpose of this contact. 351 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:33,640 The the purpose of me contacting you is trying to help get more 352 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,640 exposure to you just in general, just so that there's still a 353 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,160 massive, to me, I feel like there's a massive gap and 354 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,080 availability for product in disc golf. 355 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,520 I mean clothing alone, yeah, you have manufacturer clothing, 356 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:55,120 which is great, but there's a large gap for like general disc 357 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:59,840 golf related apparel that has the ability to grow. 358 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:04,120 And I start to see I'm starting to see more people who think 359 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:05,560 that way. There's a couple people that 360 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,880 I've recently reached out to that have that same mindset. 361 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,640 And even they, those people who are starting to grow their 362 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,920 business, they're like, yeah, you should do it too because I 363 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,760 mentioned that I go, yeah, you know, I've thought about doing 364 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,800 this for a long time. I'd love to do clothing. 365 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,520 I wanted to do clothing for a long time. 366 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,120 But again, it's the back end of that. 367 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:27,800 You know, when you have family, when you have work, when you 368 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,480 have your passion projects, like Justin said, all those things 369 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,200 together, like you can stretch yourself out thin really quickly 370 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,400 and it's tough to rein yourself in. 371 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,080 And like Justin said, also saying no to certain things, or 372 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:45,640 maybe not right now, that could definitely be another way to. 373 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:51,080 Address it. So you touched on something that 374 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:55,760 we actually had a question come up on our most recent episode 375 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,920 was that the disc golf apparel and how it feels like it's very 376 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,600 lacking from anybody right out there. 377 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,000 And, you know, as someone who is behind the scenes and, and, and 378 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,840 works with that type of stuff with the manufacturer, it is a 379 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:17,880 challenge because I, we know it need, we need more apparel, we 380 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,600 need more lifestyle stuff. But it, you know, it's, it's 381 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,840 hard to justify when we have racks and racks of clothes that 382 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,720 that isn't selling, that, you know, it would sell a little 383 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:32,800 bit, but not quite as much to justify spending more money on 384 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,000 more apparel. But what do you, what do you 385 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:40,600 guys see on your end as far as do you see any reason why the 386 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,400 apparel is lacking? I think so. 387 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,640 I think there's and and I don't know to what extent it would be. 388 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,000 I'd, I'd have to be more behind the scenes with apparel to 389 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,640 really give you a great answer in this regard. 390 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,800 But I do see this kind of throughout disc golf in and of 391 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,920 itself in that let's say you have a a polo right now. 392 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:03,080 Now take disc golf and compare it to ball golf. 393 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,440 OK, Because that's that's the biggest thing we have to compare 394 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,960 to, right? And now how much is a polo going 395 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,800 to cost you for golf if it's a golf polo? 396 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,960 I mean, you're talking Travis Matthews, you're talking like 60 397 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,480 up towards. $100 right right now are you going to pay that for a 398 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,160 disc golf polo? Heck no, there you go. 399 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,360 And and there's, there's, there's like the the crux of the 400 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:28,440 problem, I think, and, and with a lot of things in disc golfers, 401 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:34,400 I think that sometimes it can kind of at least in terms of 402 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,000 like product, it can be good get a little too big for itself. 403 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,760 You know, like, Hey, I want to charge the $100 for a shirt. 404 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,600 Nobody's going to pay that, right? 405 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,760 It's baby steps to get there. And, and I think finding that 406 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:52,920 right place to set that price point is where maybe some of 407 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,680 that problem starts to get solved, right as it maybe we 408 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,640 start here and, and as the sport grows, it will it, it's 409 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,160 continuing to grow. You know, we can push it up to 410 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,440 that level. But I think sometimes that might 411 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,120 be the whole back. And some of it is manufacturing 412 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:09,320 is expensive, right? And things aren't getting 413 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,600 cheaper. So how do you make profit off of 414 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,760 this? But also set it at a point where 415 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,440 somebody's going to want to buy these things? 416 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,760 And I think apparel has been set back by that because I've, I've 417 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,640 seen the things right. I've seen like the dude clothing 418 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,520 line and I've seen the cherry bomb clothing line and the price 419 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,800 differences even just between those two examples. 420 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,400 Where do you set it? But I think that's probably 421 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,840 that's probably a lot of it, right? 422 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,760 Is where, where does that come in? 423 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,920 Where does the profit come in versus the, you know, the want, 424 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,520 the desire for somebody to buy that? 425 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,240 Yeah. The problem, the problem is, is 426 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,440 that you're right. There's a lot of risk in buying 427 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,000 a large quantity of the apparel because if it's not selling, 428 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,800 it's basically cash just sitting there that you can't invest into 429 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,400 other things. And we you can't, you know, 430 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,960 we're not a huge company where we can, we can afford to invest. 431 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,360 In other words, when we buy a run of shirts, it's going to be 432 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:06,520 a smaller run, which means it's going to be more expensive. 433 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,640 We can't afford to buy a few thousand shirts, right? 434 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,160 The price down to make sure the margins are there to pay for the 435 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,160 marking of it, to pay for the shipping of it. 436 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,960 And you know the, you know, the packaging pay the employees to 437 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,520 pull the orders. And so yeah, it's kind of a it's 438 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,040 it's AI guess you call it a catch 22 where. 439 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,680 So what we're trying to tell a strategy worth looking into 440 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,760 right now is having what we call always on apparel, which means 441 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,440 it's more excuse me, it's it's not going to be as exciting, but 442 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:33,640 it's going to have our brand on it. 443 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,840 It's going to be nice colors. There might be some, you know, 444 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,320 some designs to it, but we're going to it's going to be 445 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,720 limited. You know, it might, there might 446 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,680 be only 50 throughout the runs of the sizes, but we've got to 447 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,760 to your point, we've got to prove the concept. 448 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,200 We've got to go. Oh well, we sold forty of those 449 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,560 45 of those great, let's order another 50 of another design. 450 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,960 And until we kind of build up that desire for the apparel. 451 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,840 So hopefully that strategy works. 452 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,800 We'll have to wait and see. But so, yeah, I do remember 453 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,560 seeing though, in the warehouse, there are some T-shirts that are 454 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,400 like, man, this has been around for three or four years. 455 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,920 It's like you can't, you literally can't discount it 456 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,600 enough unless you're just giving it away. 457 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,760 And you can't always just give stuff away. 458 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,640 So. So what's some other things that 459 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,800 you've guys seen because you've guys been around for a while and 460 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,640 oh, did you want to make a say something like? 461 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,240 That just just really quickly on the apparel stuff, I think a big 462 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:28,120 thing with that is having it not manufacture specific. 463 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,080 So something like there's one of the companies I was talking 464 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:37,880 about, I think was, oh, hand candy I think is what it is. 465 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,000 They're they're coming back. There's another one called Howdy 466 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,800 Disc golf. There's a lot of little 467 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,760 businesses that either I've reached out to or they've 468 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,440 reached reached to us where it's not a specific brand because The 469 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,800 thing is that, yes, if you're passionate about that 470 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,280 manufacturer and that brand, you want to support them. 471 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:02,400 Totally get that. But if if you as a business you 472 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,160 want to reach as many people as you can. 473 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:09,000 So let's say Dynamic Discs creates a side brand called 474 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,720 Double Down. Whatever it is, right, whatever 475 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:18,120 you want to name it, it is a House of discs or Dynamic Discs 476 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:21,280 brand. But those who don't necessarily 477 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,360 throw solely Dynamic Discs, I can appreciate that as disc golf 478 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:31,560 apparel, general disc apparel. And I think that's one of those 479 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,680 things where or I where it's going now with a lot of the 480 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,520 athletes are having their own lines, which is good. 481 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,440 I think that's great because people are attracted to just the 482 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,120 specific person what whether or not they're on a specific 483 00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:50,280 manufacturing team. Like I love Simon, so I'll I'll 484 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,800 support him. I'll get I've I've had Dysmania 485 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:59,520 stuff, I've had MVP stuff now like, you know, different little 486 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,440 things like there's a there's a lot of area, they're just 487 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:09,280 athlete wise that is a a possible Ave. for, for apparel 488 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,840 and and equipment that supports not only the player but also the 489 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,120 brand that they represent in a roundabout way. 490 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,680 Yeah, but. Yeah, I hear you. 491 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,200 It's it's definitely a challenge and but no, I agree with you. 492 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,040 That would be I could see that where it's more of a lifestyle. 493 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,280 In other words, yeah, people just want you. 494 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,400 People love to wear who they are right. 495 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,760 And so to wear something that's disc golf to Nana without 496 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,080 telling someone, Hey, I play disc golf. 497 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,200 Do you play disc golf? They're showing it off by what 498 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,760 they wear. And then, you know, I I don't 499 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,520 know how many times I've seen been at a like Silver Dollar 500 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,320 City, Silver Dollar City and I'll see Innova or disc craft 501 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,520 about. Oh yeah, disc golfer. 502 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,800 Nice. You know, it's just cool to see 503 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,000 that that there's somebody else that's into something that 504 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,880 you're into. What's some other things that 505 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,280 you guys have seen in disc golf that you've seen kind of evolve 506 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:06,360 for better or for worse? Technology filming, there's 507 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,560 discs now, there's discs now you can get that'll tell you how you 508 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,120 throw it. Like there's there's so much 509 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,400 stuff that's like going into like with the innovation of 510 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,560 everything. And I find that personally like 511 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,720 super exciting, right? And like I can, I can foresee a 512 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,360 day when we have like a machine that tosses a disc that gives us 513 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,040 constant flight numbers and every manufacturer goes through 514 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,960 the thing and we have same flight ratings on every like, 515 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,600 you know, there's so much possibility there. 516 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:39,400 Ditto. There's so much possibility and, 517 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,400 and, and the filming of everything, right with the the 518 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,320 disc golf like network and and like seeing that go from like 519 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,880 the handheld cameras, which we did back in the day, you know, 520 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,280 like trucking around and trying to get multiple angles of being 521 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:56,360 all cool to like actual professional sit down, you know, 522 00:27:56,360 --> 00:28:00,040 planned out networks that do these things that follow a tour. 523 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,240 Like seeing that is just almost mind blowing for me. 524 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,680 Like it's fantastic. Fantastic. 525 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,120 Yeah, the so the better. That's probably the biggest 526 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,440 thing, yeah. The quality of content. 527 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,560 It's I always have my on the show, I always say. 528 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,760 I always have my constructive criticism of anything and 529 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,680 everything just because I'm not looking there to berate old 530 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,560 mannerisms. Yeah, old manner. 531 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,120 I'm looking. I'm looking at it to try to 532 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,000 provide some sort of improvement in any way possible because the 533 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,680 better it gets, the better everyone you can appreciate it 534 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,040 more. It doesn't matter what it is, 535 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:44,120 whether it's disc golf or or hiking or, you know, it doesn't 536 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,200 matter as long as the quality gets better. 537 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,680 Like there's a few things that I've recently posted that have 538 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,480 gotten some black just because I don't think they're looking at 539 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,120 it the same angle that I'm looking at it. 540 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,400 But I don't take it if like serious or anything or offensive 541 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,760 or anything like that because everybody has their own opinion. 542 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,240 I totally get that. One of the things was recently 543 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,440 cameraman placement and I get let's. 544 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,600 Talk about that. Let's get into it. 545 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:22,120 So I understand and I agree. You want to get that shot, you 546 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,280 want to get the best shot you can of that player of that throw 547 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,560 everything right. Just in the last couple events, 548 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,800 well, last few events, there's been situations where I see a 549 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,840 cameraman within 30 feet, sometimes 15 feet of the, of the 550 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,000 athlete. And yes, the arguing point is, 551 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,440 well, they, they throw well, They throw good enough or not 552 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,840 good enough. They throw great and they have 553 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,320 control, so much control. They're not, that's not even in 554 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,120 their peripheral. And I was coming at it from, I'm 555 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,880 not even talking about the peripheral of the athlete, I'm 556 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,280 talking about the viewers experience. 557 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,560 I don't want to see a cameraman 30 feet from the player in front 558 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:08,400 of them at a 10° angle because to me like just push out of the 559 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,440 out of the way. We're trying to watch the 560 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,960 player. I don't want to see another 561 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,960 camera directly in their throw line, whether it's going to 562 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,760 affect them or not. And I get like I said, I get the 563 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,600 you want to get that shot. Yes, I know. 564 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,120 And cameras can only cameras are expensive. 565 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,360 I know Justin's picked up a couple recent or not recent over 566 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:35,280 the years that I just at that rate boggle my mind and I'm and 567 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,320 they go 10s of thousands, you know, of dollars for for high 568 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,440 quality cameras for live viewing purposes. 569 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,640 I get that. To start. 570 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,120 But it's even at that. Yeah, yeah, even at that. 571 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,000 It's a double edged sword. Which way do you want to go? 572 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,320 Do you want that shot so bad that you're going to make the 573 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,120 viewer look at it and go, why is that person standing there? 574 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,880 Or does the viewer just go, I get it. 575 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,440 I understand why they're there because they want that for 576 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,640 marketing purposes down the road or for clips to post. 577 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,400 And I understand that. But to me, it's just, it makes 578 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,600 me, it makes me shiver when I see those situations pop up on 579 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,560 live coverage. And I mean, there's there's a 580 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,840 plethora of things that are off on Justin knows. 581 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,360 But yeah, that. Was Oh, yeah, I, I think you've 582 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,040 just proved, I think you've just proved how you got all the Gray 583 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,240 hairs. You know, I've got I've got a 584 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,800 ton of them too. Your old mannerisms are sticking 585 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,040 out. You know, personally, it's live, 586 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,720 man. I get it. 587 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:37,800 I see a camera. I see a camera. 588 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,760 It doesn't bother me as long as they're not obstructing the 589 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,640 player, OK? I, I, I kind of, I'm kind of 590 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,440 with Nick, I see that point where it does take you kind of 591 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,360 out of the moment, especially someone who does, you know, 592 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,400 media, but it does kind of take you out. 593 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,840 Like, I mean, I know, I know we're not watching a movie, but 594 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,360 you know, there's always those times where like, oh, I just saw 595 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,640 the boom mic or, you know, or, or I saw something or, you know, 596 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,640 and it's like it does kind of take you out of the moment when 597 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,280 you see the behind the scenes stuff when you're not expecting 598 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,280 it. I totally get that, But I, I 599 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,120 think it's just a, the nature of the beast we're in right now 600 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,400 because like we don't have the 1020 thousand $30,000 cameras 601 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,200 that can, you know, shoot high quality from far away. 602 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,400 We don't have the, the courses that are designed around media. 603 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,800 I know some of them try, but they're not going to 100% be 604 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,000 able to do that where they literally, I mean, they're 605 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,520 literally golf courses where there's wiring and cabling built 606 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,000 into the course because it's designed that way from the get 607 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,240 go. And it takes, you know, it takes 608 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,840 money. So when I see people gripe about 609 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,040 that, I, I, I am, I'm kind of like, you know, just calm down. 610 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,800 You know, a little bit. And just, and just enjoy where 611 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,040 we're at right now. You know, I mean, you guys, I'm 612 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,320 sure remember the days where, I mean, I was producing DVDs and 613 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,000 people would have to wait for a week or two before they got any 614 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,680 kind of coverage. And now you're literally 615 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,680 watching it as it happened. So it is almost like I see it 616 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:08,120 kind of as a it's, it's because we have so many new people into 617 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,360 the sport and they're probably used to watching the golf. 618 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,040 The the other events that already are, are mature enough 619 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,440 to have had all that they've gone through that or they have 620 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,120 the technology or the money to do that. 621 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,880 So, yeah, I'm kind of the kind of the person that's like, you 622 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,240 know, just just calm down. And yes, as long as you're not 623 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,080 in their line of sight, of course. 624 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,840 I've had plenty of times where I'm just not paying attention 625 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,280 and I'm literally right looking right at them with my camera, my 626 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,840 hand going, Oh my God, what I do. 627 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,600 And I just deer in headlights. And so I just kind of stand 628 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,120 still. So thankfully most of the pros 629 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,840 that I've had to come up to and apologize are like, dude, I get 630 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,640 it. It happens. 631 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,720 So I've never had anybody met. I did have one person mad at me 632 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,760 one time. I can't remember her name. 633 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,480 And she was the girlfriend of Dave Feldberg. 634 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,840 And we were we were standing, I don't remember what that were we 635 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,640 were at was me Jeremy Ruscoe or Robert McCall. 636 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,560 And it was a place where there was a quite a, a few holes 637 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,280 pretty close together as far as the baskets. 638 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,000 And all of a sudden I hear someone say stand still. 639 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,960 And then Jeremy looks at me and goes stay still, stay still. 640 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,400 So she goes, can you move, please? 641 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,880 And they're looked at me and I go stand still. 642 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,159 And I'm like standing still. And I just freeze. 643 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,120 And she puts and I can't, I think she missed it. 644 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,400 I can't remember if she made it or missed it. 645 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,040 And then she said something like you couldn't even move or 646 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,600 something like that. I was like, Oh my God. 647 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,840 So I went to her later on, apologized, and she was like, 648 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,760 it's OK, I get it. I understand. 649 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,719 I was like, I didn't know how to move or stay still or whatever. 650 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,960 And so anyway, yeah, I felt embarrassed, but. 651 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,159 I've had somebody get mad at me. Yeah, yeah. 652 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,639 Oh yeah. It happens. 653 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,520 Now what do you guys do? What do you guys do in disc golf 654 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,760 when you're not doing disc golf show? 655 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,560 Are you involved in disc golf otherwise than that? 656 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,560 Yeah, I've had. I was part of the sponsorship 657 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,240 team for the USW DGC when it came to Northern California. 658 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,840 I've been on different boards here in the local area. 659 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,520 I've been on Folsom board, which is here in the Sacrament area, 660 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,040 and I'm currently on the Roseville Disc Golf Club board 661 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:20,760 because it's the newest course in the area That, and Justin 662 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,080 knows I'm, I'm not the look at me. 663 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,680 This is what I've done type thing. 664 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,240 But I, I was lucky enough to be a part of a design team for this 665 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:34,280 new course that went in our area, Roseville, CA And that 666 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:40,520 alone was so much fun to do that after, after and during I during 667 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,320 the time that I was part of it. There we go. 668 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,360 Did you lose me during that time? 669 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,400 I learned that that's kind of what I want to do moving 670 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,560 forward, like when I retire and stuff like that. 671 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,560 So I mean, I've done a plethora of other things too, but but 672 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,960 yeah, yeah, I'm pretty involved in the local scene. 673 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:04,840 OK, we lost you. I kinda. 674 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,640 I caught a little bit of it. Are you still there, Nick? 675 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:09,520 Yeah. Nope. 676 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,080 There we no, we lost. Finally gave up. 677 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,280 What he was saying is he's a part of a lot of the boards that 678 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,720 are out here locally and he just designed one of our local 679 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:18,600 courses, helped design one courses out here. 680 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,560 So he's a member of that board as well. 681 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,760 Fantastic course, except when I bogey, then it's it's the worst 682 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,080 course I've ever played. Exactly. 683 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:27,760 You know, it's all his fault anyways. 684 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,240 And I point that out every time we play. 685 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,680 Anybody misses, I'm like, hey, that's this guy's fault 686 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,960 partially. But yeah, he's super involved in 687 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,520 like the local community out here and stuff and, and keeps on 688 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,400 it. He's honestly, I don't know how 689 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,360 he does it most of the time. He's up to date on everything 690 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,880 that goes on in the local area in terms of disc golf. 691 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,600 So he's super, super involved. I'm a member of that club of 692 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,440 the, of the one that he helped design and I just play disc 693 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,720 golf. That's about it. 694 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,560 That's. I keep a really. 695 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:58,240 That's that's. I know. 696 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,360 All right, we got you back. Can we hear you? 697 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:01,480 Yeah. Can you? 698 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,520 Yes, we can hear you. I don't. 699 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,480 Know what's going on, so I don't. 700 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,520 Know so he told so he told he he told me real quick you you were 701 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,120 got into some course design work that you are loving. 702 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,400 Yeah. So you want to get more into 703 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,920 that? Yeah, I, I would. 704 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,680 That's something that after doing this project was something 705 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,720 that I could see or wanting to do after retiring from my daily 706 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:25,120 job. That's something that I would 707 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,480 love to do. It was so much fun. 708 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,040 It took way longer than normal because COVID happened and we 709 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,520 started right before it so and everything kind of went on pause 710 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,200 and then when we came back we finished. 711 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:41,880 It took us 4 plus years because of COVID, but it just went into 712 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,360 the ground earlier this year middle of February. 713 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,880 So it's it's doing well currently, so. 714 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,280 All right, so from a course designers perspective, so that's 715 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,040 something you want to get into. Tell me your top three courses 716 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,440 and why. Oh geez. 717 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:11,280 I'd say a bucket list. Top three would be I really 718 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,760 enjoy what they've done at European Open. 719 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:25,080 That course is I think for that it's more so for media purposes. 720 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,920 I think that it plays well for people who are able to watch 721 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,680 live. I think MVP is one of my top 722 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,400 just because it's, I grew up playing tighter wooded courses 723 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:44,280 and that kind of brings me into that aspect of, of appreciating 724 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,160 that type of a course, even though it's on a Christmas tree 725 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,680 farm. And that could be something that 726 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,760 is, I don't know. I, I think we're just 727 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,720 comfortable with that course being on a Christmas tree farm, 728 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,920 even though it's, it's, I'd like to see it as solely a disc golf 729 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:08,920 course, but that one and then a third one. 730 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,760 Oh, geez. I mean, Rosal. 731 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:18,840 No, I'm just kidding. Rosal Just probably trying to 732 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,800 think of another one. I like. 733 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,920 I like Waco. I like the course that they play 734 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,600 Waco at. I think that happened open with 735 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,080 the wind as an obstacle is awesome. 736 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:38,480 I, I think one thing I did learn in design is that initially 737 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,880 having a, having a basket just plain out in the open, I was 738 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,960 like, oh, it's kind of simple. It's just right there. 739 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,440 But then after having people play it and some of the better 740 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:53,960 players go, you know, not having something near the pin to 741 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,080 address as a distance point to know what to throw. 742 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,600 I didn't even think about that. And and seeing some of those 743 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,680 holes where the baskets are completely out in the open, you 744 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,720 have wind is your biggest obstacle. 745 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:11,840 I mean, you know, in in Emporia, the wind kicks up. 746 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,520 So winds a big thing there, right. 747 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:20,240 And yeah, you can use again with the course that I helped Co 748 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:24,200 design, they're like we have wooded, but we have open holes. 749 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,600 And I think the combination of that on any course is beneficial 750 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,200 to anybody trying to improve their game. 751 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,920 Yeah, I it's tough. There's so many good courses out 752 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,440 there. I the one thing I do want to say 753 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:41,720 is that again, I'm always looking out 1020 years for the 754 00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:46,160 sport is these courses, though they are great on public 755 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,560 property, it's going to have to ultimately go to private just 756 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,640 because of the back end and the infrastructure for it. 757 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,560 And like you said, line routing for power for cameras that needs 758 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,840 to be brought into into the thought in design. 759 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:10,360 And even Justin will know this on even layoff design holes for 760 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,960 me when you design a course having in mind what those 761 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:20,000 playoff holes should be and how they should be formatted and 762 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,560 routed. I didn't like when they had the 763 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,440 playoff where they had the part the people all the way back to 764 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:33,560 the T pad on a par 5 hole. No, just find a way to route a 765 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,960 few holes to where you don't have to wait 5-10 minutes to get 766 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,880 the players back to that hole to replay that hole in a playoff. 767 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,360 Like that's just a waste of time in my in in my point of view. 768 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,480 But I again, I could go on. I could go on. 769 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,960 That's OK. Episode #12 Yeah. 770 00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:59,040 Yeah, really of designing a new course, right. 771 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:01,000 That's awesome. No, I love it. 772 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,240 I think course design is definitely something that it's 773 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,480 obviously very important because we need more places for people 774 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,680 to play. And I'm of the opinion that 775 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,000 people underestimate the power of a nine hole course in their 776 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,520 local community. True. 777 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,840 You know, there's so many times where I'm like, I just want to 778 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,120 go through, but I don't want to, I don't want anything hard. 779 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,200 I don't want to lose my discs. And there's a nine hole course. 780 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,960 It's like 15 minutes away that it gets, it gets me my fix, you 781 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,080 know, and it's just nine holes in there. 782 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,040 There's some simple holes or some ones that I get to open up 783 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,320 and really get some distance. So yeah, I think 9 hole courses 784 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,800 are super important. Everybody wants that 785 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,320 championship 18 hole course and have the big pros come along and 786 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,680 that's all fine and dandy, but you know, just to have a nine 787 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,040 hole course for the community, enjoy things perfect. 788 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,760 What do you think? What do you think's the biggest 789 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,840 thing missing in course design for the courses that have been 790 00:42:53,120 --> 00:43:02,000 around for a while? Amenities. 791 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:10,760 He didn't take my bait. Yeah, Like, yeah, it's, it's a 792 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,560 struggle. And when working with the city, 793 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:16,520 it can be a struggle because cities that don't already have 794 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,600 courses in there and they're trying to get the first course 795 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,440 in that area, they don't understand what disc golfers 796 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,480 need because they've never dealt with it on the government level. 797 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,400 And a lot of those things they don't, they don't even think 798 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,600 about they're, they're just thinking about usage of the 799 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,680 property and they're not thinking about the necessities 800 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,920 for the people who are going to use that property. 801 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,640 Just garbage cans are just a simple thing that, that you need 802 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,680 at every other hole at least, you know, And then the 803 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,040 government also thinks about, OK, well, we're going to have to 804 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,840 have somebody go out there and pick up the garbage. 805 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,280 I get that. But you've invested $3,000,000 806 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,440 into this property. Disc golf was only 30 to 807 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,760 $50,000. Throw some garbage cans on the 808 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,240 course. You know, there's a lot of 809 00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:09,400 little things. There's a lot of little things. 810 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,120 Yeah, we still got some growing up to do, that's for sure. 811 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,680 Yeah. So what's up on the what's in 812 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,360 the horizon for the Disc Off show? 813 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:29,960 What can we look forward to? Lots of Nick's face. 814 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,760 I'm sorry. Lots and lots of Nick's face. 815 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,280 No, we I actually have a couple of things going on behind the 816 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,440 scenes that now hopefully I'll have a little bit more time to 817 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,760 get to. It'll be disc related. 818 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:45,240 It'll be something that you haven't seen before. 819 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,120 OK. And I'll leave you with that. 820 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,840 OK. No insurance you've seen before, 821 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,440 but OK. In a way that hasn't been done 822 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,800 yet to my knowledge. And if it is patent copyright, 823 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,120 right, anyways, so we'll see some stuff like that too. 824 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,640 And then like Nick said, it's going the show itself, it's 825 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,080 going to to weekly, I think. And Nick, I'll let you talk more 826 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,080 about it too, because you're more definitely more involved 827 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,960 with it now. But bringing back, I think kind 828 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,280 of that piece of talking more to the local community and the 829 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,160 entrepreneur and the other things that are involved in disc 830 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,040 golf and bringing that into the show itself. 831 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,400 There's a thing that's an aspect that we've kind of been missing 832 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,520 as we started up the show again this time around. 833 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,840 Really, I think the biggest struggle for us when starting up 834 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,320 the show was how do we bring it back? 835 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,880 How do we bring ourselves back into doing a podcast? 836 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,040 How do we get people to know who we are and how do we know what 837 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,520 people want to hear and see out of a show, Right? 838 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,520 We don't bring the professional aspect of it. 839 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,480 Don't look at my professional this golf game. 840 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,920 I'm not right. You don't go to me for 841 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,720 professional advice, but you you go to me because I'm the average 842 00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:58,520 Joe, right And I think that's kind of what our show more 843 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,080 brings is is that feeling in that aspect to it. 844 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,200 Yeah, you get the news, yeah, you get some stuff in it, but 845 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,960 it's really like. What are the what do people like 846 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,320 me think that that that aren't a pro, right? 847 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:14,240 What does that look like? And I think finding that balance 848 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:17,280 of bringing the news and, and, and you know what we want to 849 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,240 share because it's our show, it's our hobby, right, versus 850 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:23,080 what do people want to hear, I think is where the balance comes 851 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,960 in. And I think a big, maybe a big 852 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,640 part of that that we've been missing is, yeah, occasionally 853 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,000 let's go talk to a pro. That's important, right? 854 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,800 People want to hear from them. And then to bring in that local 855 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,040 community member to talk about the product and, and the thing 856 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,600 that they're selling and how does that right relate to to 857 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:40,760 disc golf and what do they bring. 858 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,320 So I'll let Nick talk more about it, but I think just from my 859 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,880 perspective, maybe that's something from our show that 860 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:47,880 that we need to bring more into the future. 861 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,800 So. Yeah, more, more personalities. 862 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,400 I think is is a big thing because I one thing I got to I 863 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,160 got to give props to is foundation. 864 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,920 So the foundation team does so much content and the different 865 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,000 personalities that they bring to the table, just like even this, 866 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,680 this new, what is it called, the Imposter series that they're 867 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,920 starting up that's growing. Those type of things are what 868 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,240 disc golf needs for content because it makes it fun, it 869 00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:17,680 makes it interesting. You get to learn about those 870 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,040 people and their character and all that stuff. 871 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,600 I think that's one of the things like Justin was saying is having 872 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:28,120 some of our local people maybe be more involved in like rounds 873 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,520 played or even to feature products. 874 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,800 They do that as well, like a disc dice or Legends of the 875 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,280 Chains or Ripped Ripped Revenge, all that type of stuff. 876 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:43,200 The fun games that can help your hit, help your disc golf game in 877 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,200 general in a roundabout way because it makes you throw 878 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:47,680 something that you're not used to throwing. 879 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,200 You might learn something about that disc that you didn't even 880 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,920 realize you're good at. That's definitely one of the 881 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,520 things that I think would be beneficial because there's not a 882 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,400 lot of that out there outside of really foundation. 883 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,840 And I don't know, like I said, making it more consumable, 884 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,040 smaller for, for for viewers and listeners and stuff. 885 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:12,440 But I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot of things that we 886 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:13,920 want to do. There's a lot of things I want 887 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,880 to do. But again, it comes down to time 888 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,600 and priorities. Right, I think one thing that 889 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,800 that disc golf podcasts need you missed the opportunity here Nick 890 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,800 and so have I is more disc golf answer me really yes. 891 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:32,480 Agreed. Yeah, well, even though this is 892 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,800 my job, I I still have to find time to do it because of the 893 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,120 other aspects of my job. So yeah, I have fun doing this 894 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,200 and I have fun talking to people like yourselves and learning 895 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,120 what's going on out there. So well, guys, I appreciate you 896 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,560 taking the time to jump on the show. 897 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,000 I want to respect your time and let you get back to you whatever 898 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,280 you got going on. But it was it was great talking 899 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,960 to you, getting to know you a little bit more about what you 900 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,000 got going on. And I sure appreciate it. 901 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,160 And I wish you the best of luck in the future, whatever you guys 902 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,040 work on. Hey, you as well. 903 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,480 It was great. It's fantastic talk to you.