1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,080 Hey everybody, welcome to this episode of the Disc golf fans. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,280 Man. I am Bobby Cool daddy, Slick 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,960 breeze and I have with me. Well, you know what I have with 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,800 me. I I want to say A-Team player, 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,360 but I want to but I really just want to say an old friend. 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,400 Really, I have an old friend on here that we want to talk to, 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,240 Mr. Chris Clemons at. The exciting news is that he is 8 00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:28,920 back with Dynamic Discs starting in 2026. 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,680 I'm sure if you guys follow us, you've seen the announcement we 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,760 made. Super excited about that. 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,840 But yeah, I reached out to him. I said, Chris, we got to get on. 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,720 We got to get get you on the show, learn a little bit more 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,360 about what's been going on with you, and then of course, learn 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,120 about what you got going on in 2026. 15 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:46,920 So first, Chris, how are you doing today? 16 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,800 Man, I'm doing. I'm doing good today. 17 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,200 Me and Hannah are here in Indiana. 18 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,120 We've been car shopping a little, a little bit the last 19 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,080 like week or so. But I have, I have discs. 20 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,040 I have discs that I just got and there's so much snow on the 21 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,440 ground. So I'm like, God. 22 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,760 But tonight we have like a putting league and it's a nice 23 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,920 big indoor area where I can throw. 24 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,840 And I did that two weeks ago. And so I'm excited for that. 25 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,120 I'm itching to throw some plastic but I'm doing good. 26 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,920 Awesome, awesome. Well, just for some of the new, 27 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:23,760 new people out there, new listeners to us, let's let's 28 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,760 kind of go back to when you first started in your disc golf 29 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,880 career. And when I look up PDGA, the 30 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,680 first thing I see is 2011 where you played an event, but then 31 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,920 you didn't accept cash until 2014. 32 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,680 So tell us a little bit about 2011 and what was going on with 33 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,160 Chris Clemens during that time. And 2011, that's, that's so long 34 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,880 ago. It used to be not that long ago, 35 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,480 but now it's really getting up there. 36 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,320 So 2011 for me, I graduated high school in 2006. 37 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:58,360 I went off to College in Arkansas and I played baseball 38 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,720 there. And so after that, like in 2010, 39 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,480 I moved back to Joplin, MO, and I was kind of looking for 40 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,080 something I could do for fun. I had played disc golf before 41 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,040 with my buddies. And so I just started going out 42 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,080 to the disc golf course by myself and playing a lot. 43 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,800 And then my people got me involved in league. 44 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,400 They're like every Tuesday night is league. 45 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,040 And so I started playing and started playing more and more. 46 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,600 I'm doing like little fun stuff. And then like by 2011, I felt 47 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,600 like my game had gotten good enough to where I could like 48 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,240 start playing in tournaments and stuff like that. 49 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,120 So my, my friends were super involved in the league. 50 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,160 They ran the league. So they were like, they had the 51 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,000 hook up on tournaments. They were like, you can come 52 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,920 with us, you can stay in the hotel with us. 53 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:48,800 So it all worked out nice. And yeah. 54 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,160 And I just fell in love with disc golf. 55 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,280 I loved going. Like at the time I think I was 56 00:02:54,280 --> 00:03:00,640 working doing debris cleanup for the city of Joplin after the 57 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:04,080 tornado there in 2011. And so I would work, you know, 58 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,800 early in the morning until like 4:00 PM and then I would go to 59 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,320 the disc golf course and be super tired by the end of the 60 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,760 day. But every weekend if I wasn't 61 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:18,360 playing an event, I was wanting to like just go to Oklahoma, go 62 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,960 to Kansas, go to Arkansas, anywhere in like a 3 or 4 hour 63 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,160 radius and just played like 3 different disc golf courses in a 64 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,440 day. And so like that was awesome. 65 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,520 And so like being able to and now it's kind of kind of like 66 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,800 that, but a little different. Nice. 67 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,880 So what was you looking back at early Chris Clemens? 68 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,160 What would, when you think back to that version of Chris, what 69 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,720 would he be most surprised about in your career today? 70 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:56,000 You know, I think that just the level like, you know, for me 71 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,320 personally, of course, like, you know, getting better and being 72 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,760 able to perform at big events and being on TV and stuff like 73 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,360 that is always cool. But just seeing how far like 74 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:12,680 disc golf has come, I think back in 2011, it was a much, it was a 75 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,120 different time and it was a different sport. 76 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,440 Like I remember when I would get into it, I would, I would go on 77 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,120 Facebook and I would find like Paul Macbeth and Nicola Castro, 78 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,240 all the big people in pro disc golf at that time. 79 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,840 And I'd add him as a friend and they would add me and I'm like, 80 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,640 oh, that's super cool, you know. And so like disc golf then was 81 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,880 like a lot smaller, a lot more niche. 82 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,040 Like everybody knew everybody like personally. 83 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:42,400 And I think now it's a little more, it's not as personal. 84 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,040 So you will see that like on social media, you'll see 85 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,920 comments about people and stuff. And they don't really know that 86 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,600 person and they might not ever meet that person. 87 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,760 But at that time, you actually did know everybody. 88 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,960 And so I think just how big the sport has gotten and it's been 89 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,600 on ESPN and, you know, on CBS with the Pro Tour Finals and 90 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,640 stuff like that, it's just crazy to like, back then I would have 91 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,960 never, never thought that. Yeah, it's pretty cool. 92 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,640 It has come a long way for sure. So you've started playing full 93 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:20,800 seasons around 2018, playing like 2025, thirty events, and in 94 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,280 the year, probably more than that as I skim through your PGA 95 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:27,160 page. So as far as like touring full 96 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,760 time, what is touring taught you about yourself that casual 97 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:39,360 players probably never see? I think like back when I before 98 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,000 I toured, but I was playing at a high level. 99 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,760 So I did a little bit in Joplin. And then when I moved to Kansas 100 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:52,040 City in 2015 for the that like couple years, it was a lot of 101 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,320 practicing just going out to different courses and just 102 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,680 throwing, throwing in the field, putting. 103 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,400 And then when it came time, you know, a week before the event, 104 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,760 every day I would go out and like practice that course 105 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,680 getting ready at Bad Rock Creek or Rosedale or whatever. 106 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,800 And but you know, life on the road and touring, you're kind of 107 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,280 like playing an event. And then Monday you're driving 108 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:19,960 all day. And then you got like 2, maybe 109 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,640 three practice rounds. And so it's like a lot more 110 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,520 quick turn around. And so when, when your swing is 111 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,000 feeling kind of weird or when you're like in a slump, 112 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,880 sometimes it can be tough to get out of it. 113 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,040 You know, if you're one of those like local pros who have your 114 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,600 job and stuff, like you have other things that kind of take 115 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,040 up your time. And so, you know, it's 116 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,840 definitely a balance of like knowing yourself and kind of 117 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:48,640 knowing like how to how you best react. 118 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,640 Some people just want to play, play, play. 119 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,560 And I'm kind of like that too. I feel like the more tournaments 120 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,680 I play, the more like Rust I get off, the more kinks I get out, 121 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,280 the more I like learn and get where I want to be. 122 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,360 And I think that's why historically I've played better, 123 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,000 like at the end of the season, the last couple months, because 124 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,280 there's just so many events back-to-back to back. 125 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,800 And so I just love that like repetition. 126 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,040 And so you can get your practice in and just that repetition. 127 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,560 But I mean, you do have to have time for chilling out and 128 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,680 getting your mind right. That is super important, 129 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,480 especially as you get older. You know, when you're 20 years 130 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,440 old, you can just throw all day every day and just party with 131 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:29,960 your friends and do whatever you want. 132 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,040 And the next day you're like refresh and good to go. 133 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,160 But as you get older, there's more responsibilities and more 134 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,400 like things you have to like prepare your body and prepare 135 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,800 mentally to do things. So but I, I've loved it and I 136 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,400 love interacting with the fans. That's the best part of it for 137 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,640 me. So it's that you spent it about 138 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,600 mentioned about practice and sometimes it's kind of can be 139 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:51,920 hard while you're on the road. What? 140 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,600 How do you get practice in while you're out traveling? 141 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,680 You know, I think when I first started touring those like first 142 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:05,600 two years, 2018 and 2019, I had my like religious things like I 143 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:10,200 wanted to practice, you know, on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, then 144 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:16,680 I wanted to play the course and then I was ready because I knew 145 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,160 like when you're doing field work, you can get so much more 146 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,840 done preparing for a tournament in my opinion, then like playing 147 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,840 on the actual course, But that, that's if you kind of already 148 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,080 know the course. And like if you're a local pro, 149 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,120 you've probably played the course that you're going to play 150 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,080 in the tournament quite a few times. 151 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,880 And so like doing that field work and getting that putt 152 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,440 right, You know, going into that day, Saturday morning when 153 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,039 you're you're playing your CT or BT and you got 2 rounds, like 154 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:47,120 you know that you're going to be ready and you feel good. 155 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,240 You know, on the pro tour, it can be a little, a little 156 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,320 different. You can like prepare as much as 157 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,160 you can, but some days you're just like, I don't know, quite 158 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,440 know how this is going to go. So we're just going to roll with 159 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,640 it. And so, yeah, like I remember 160 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,560 when I would those first two years touring with Jordan 161 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:07,320 Castro, there would be times where I'm like, I don't want to 162 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,160 go to the course, let's go somewhere else. 163 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,400 And I just want to like just practice and do field work and 164 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:17,040 stuff like that. Very cool. 165 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,520 All right, so I'm going to switch gears a little bit 166 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,960 because I kind of want to talk about how this hall this year 167 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,920 happened. I was helping out with the team 168 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,520 manage being well, we don't have a team manager for dynamic disk, 169 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,560 So I thought I'd step in and help out. 170 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:36,880 Seth had been doing some of the team manager type roles or 171 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,640 duties and I thought, you know what, let me help. 172 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,760 So I'd been involved in a lot of the negotiation. 173 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,920 What's going on? And all of a sudden out of the 174 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,080 blue, literally, Chris, I did not even I wasn't even sure what 175 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,200 was going on with anybody out there. 176 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,600 And out of the blue, you send me a text and said subject to the 177 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,120 fact of if Dee Dee is looking for someone new, you want to 178 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,000 come back to the discs you trust. 179 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,680 And you don't even know how excited I was when I saw that, 180 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,120 when I saw that text. So tell me a little bit about 181 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,840 like what was going at what had changed for you mentally or 182 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,720 competitively that made you send that text? 183 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:20,840 I think, you know, when I left DD two years ago, it was, it was 184 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,200 kind of by surprise to me. There was a lot of like change 185 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:30,040 going on there. And and then, like over the last 186 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,240 two years, you know, I felt with like this craft, it was like a 187 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,360 cool opportunity, but it like I never quite jived with the 188 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,520 discs. And for me, there were many 189 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,680 times in the course where I'm like, man, I wish I had my 190 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:45,720 defender. I wish I had like different 191 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,120 discs, my judge And I kept like feeling that way. 192 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,240 And those are things like touring with Hannah, like I'm 193 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,080 going to, you know, be talking to her about that all the time. 194 00:10:55,080 --> 00:11:00,400 And she was just like you, you belong at DD and like, and I 195 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:05,640 always felt, felt that way. So it was always like, you know, 196 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,560 whenever you have your first love and then like you can't 197 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:11,200 ever get away from you always think about them and stuff like 198 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,320 that. It was just like that. 199 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,040 And so I had to like sit down and think about like what was 200 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:21,320 best for me. And I was just like, I want to 201 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,080 throw this. And I know and that I trust and 202 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,760 that I love and it gets me excited to throw them everyday. 203 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,360 Like I grabbed my bag and I'm like, I can't wait to throw my 204 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,280 harp. I can't wait to throw my fuse 205 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,920 and like see how they fly. And I felt like I kind of lost 206 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,320 that a little bit over the last two years. 207 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,080 Like I wasn't super excited to throw the discs I was throwing. 208 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:51,920 And so I was just like, I want to throw trilogy and that's the 209 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,520 way that I want to tour. Like I feel like that's how I 210 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,840 can perform the best. Like that's the the ultimate 211 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,040 reason I play is because I want to perform and like challenge 212 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,400 myself to like see how well I can do against other people. 213 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,960 And so, you know, I know this whole changed over the years and 214 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,360 there's a lot of like social media involved in like marketing 215 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,720 and stuff like that. But the end at the end of the 216 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,480 day, like for me, the reason for playing is to see how good I can 217 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,320 do like personally and to like challenge myself and then, you 218 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,200 know, try to beat the course. And if I happen to beat other 219 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,640 people, great. And so that's like the ultimate 220 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,160 reason. So I sat down and I was like, 221 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,520 I'm going to message Bobby because I know he's back at DD. 222 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,200 And I was like, I'm going to see what he, see, what he has to say 223 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,200 and just see what happens. Nice. 224 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:42,760 Well, I'm glad it turned out the way it did. 225 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:47,200 It reminds me of when I came out to I think we're, we're living 226 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,640 in Kansas at the time when we did that little mini 227 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,040 documentary, The art, the art of getting better. 228 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:54,920 Yeah, yeah, that that was super fun. 229 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,840 It was cold outside. I do remember that. 230 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:03,280 Yeah, it was cold. But yeah, I mean, even to this 231 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,360 now, like you're saying you could competing with yourself, 232 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,080 you want to get better. It's still kind of follows that 233 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,080 same whole thing. And I remember we were like 234 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,840 trying to figure out what the topic and the tone of the video 235 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,040 would be and you would said something about getting better 236 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,760 or the art of getting better. And I was like, man, that's what 237 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,680 we need to talk about. So it's always been your thing 238 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:23,640 is getting better. Is it something that you that is 239 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,440 a motivating or do you kind of wrestle with it? 240 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,240 Do you get like, how frustrated do you get when you're not 241 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,680 quote, UN quote, feel like you're getting better? 242 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,840 I think like everybody's different and like for me 243 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:42,880 growing up predominantly playing baseball, like baseball coaches, 244 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,800 especially like in the Midwestern, are historically 245 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,240 like pretty tough on you. And I game from a pretty good 246 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,400 baseball program and Joplin, like we'd won multiple state 247 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,840 championships. And so like being in that 248 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,720 environment and seeing like all the hard work that you do during 249 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,640 the week and during practice to like perform. 250 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,520 Like I learned that it's all about like the stuff that people 251 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,080 don't see and like the prep preparation, You know, there's a 252 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,960 very few players who are just like naturally gifted enough, 253 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,000 like a Gannon Burr or whatever, but he still works super hard 254 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,680 that you can just go out and perform. 255 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:28,400 And so for me, I with disc golf, I could kind of do my own thing. 256 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,640 There's not a lot of like training regimen and like 257 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,200 everybody's different in disc golf. 258 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,600 You know, if you go search for golf, you can find multiple 259 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,960 people to give you lessons and things like that. 260 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,800 But in disc golf, it's more of like how you want to do it. 261 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,600 And so like I fell in love with just practicing. 262 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,120 You know, I could be on that by myself and put my air pods in, 263 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,600 listen to music and work on different things that I that I 264 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,720 felt like I need to work on. And so there are times 265 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,920 especially like cutting, because I would, I always do something 266 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,920 like when I practice, I got to make like so many putts in a row 267 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,400 before I leave. And if I get like super close 268 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,040 and then I fail, I'll get like mad at myself. 269 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,440 And I've been there for, you know, an extra 45 minutes and 270 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:17,120 I'm just like pissed at myself. But I, I feel like it drives me 271 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,000 to like, work harder and do more, you know? 272 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,560 And so I feel like in tournaments, you shouldn't get 273 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,960 very mad at yourself. You should be pretty easy. 274 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,320 You know, you want to be cool, calm and collected. 275 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,960 But yeah, when I'm practicing, I'll get a little a little more 276 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,200 upset if I'm not performing that the way I want to because it 277 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,600 helps motivate me. And that's why I like it. 278 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,120 Like I don't really struggle with practicing and stuff like 279 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,440 that because I found like, what works for me and everybody's 280 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,400 different. And so like that's kind of why 281 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,760 we made that video is because like I felt like it could help 282 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,840 some people because everybody's practice is different, but it 283 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:59,040 ultimately like if you're having fun doing it and you are seeing 284 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,120 results, you know, in your weekly leagues or whatever, then 285 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,960 I think that that's beneficial. Nice. 286 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,560 So often remember to put a link to that video in the description 287 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,440 of this episode so people can check that out because it, I 288 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,680 still think it's very highly relevant to what you have going 289 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,160 on. And you said something about, 290 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,160 you know, you, you're hoping that the video would help 291 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,400 people. And that's always something that 292 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,800 I admired about you because you're very helpful. 293 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,120 You've always been willing to help people when we were do 294 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,280 clinics back in the day, willing to teach people. 295 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,240 And I think that's awesome. And then it's funny. 296 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,960 Can you say you get upset and you get mad and pissed? 297 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,560 And I'm thinking I, I don't know that I've ever seen you mad. 298 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,720 So you seem like a pretty chill, you know, even tempered kind of 299 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,560 guy, But I, I'm sure inside there, you know, you're battling 300 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,000 with yourself whenever you're not happy with what's going on. 301 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:55,120 But so when it comes to the practicing and, and, and what do 302 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,000 you think is something that the, I don't know if you want to, I 303 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,400 want to say the casual player or maybe the, the player that's 304 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,800 aspiring to be turn become a pro tour, a pro touring player. 305 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,760 What is something you think that holds them back? 306 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,480 What have you seen or what have you experienced that's holding 307 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,520 people back from maybe going to that next level? 308 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,520 Yeah, I think, you know, maybe some people could get 309 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,520 discouraged, you know, if they're putting all this time 310 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,040 into practice and they're only, you know, throwing so far, where 311 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,840 they put all this time into putting and then they miss a 312 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,520 couple putts in their tournament. 313 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,720 And so they might get a little discouraged. 314 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,680 And, you know, they're like, all right, I'm not going to play 315 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,320 tournaments for a couple months, you know, and then they kind of 316 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:43,160 like, get out of it. And so I think for me 317 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,520 personally, one of the biggest things that was helpful is that 318 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:51,960 like I surrounded myself with people who have the same like 319 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:57,280 motivation that I did. Kyle Webster, a lot of you old 320 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,720 school people might know him. He like toured with Will 321 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,920 Shoestrick back in the day with Prodigy. 322 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:08,200 Then he was on West side. He he was like the other guy who 323 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,720 we were, you know, neck and neck. 324 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,760 We're always like at the time, probably both 990 rated and just 325 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,560 like pushing each other, but we were best friends too, but we 326 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,320 both wanted to beat each other And so like, and all of our 327 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,160 friends were the same. And so like surrounding yourself 328 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,320 with people who aren't going to distract you away from like what 329 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,720 you're trying to do, which at the time was getting as good as 330 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,080 you can at disc golf and winning, you know, every 331 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,480 tournament around. I think it's super important 332 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:43,040 because like I think back to that time and I was also loving 333 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,200 like table tennis, like I would play it, play a lot of table 334 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,200 tennis and I was like looking for local leagues and stuff like 335 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,600 that. Like I never like not like super 336 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,240 serious, but you know, disc golf the way a lot of people start as 337 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,280 they go out with their friends and just have fun. 338 00:18:57,360 --> 00:19:00,000 And then you kind of like get into it more and more and more. 339 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,440 And that happens with a lot of different things, you know, 340 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,920 whether it's if you play cards like Magic the Gathering, you 341 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,480 can go and play in tournaments and just little things. 342 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,880 And so like, but for me with disc golf, like all my friends 343 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,440 were disc golfers and that's why I hung out with all the time. 344 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:19,120 So I was like being pushed continuously to get better and 345 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,640 to like achieve my dreams of like one day touring. 346 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,680 Nice. All right, let's jump back into 347 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,400 you coming back to Dynamic Discs. 348 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,200 So when the decision was made and we were like, OK, you're 349 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,040 back, you're back at Dynamic Discs. 350 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:39,560 Did you have a stash of Trilogy Trilogy discs sitting at the 351 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,320 house ready to go? You know, I feel like there are 352 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,120 a lot of pros who like keep a lot of discs. 353 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:49,840 I'm I know them. Andrew Presnell, he's got 354 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:56,040 hundreds and hundreds of discs. But for me and Hannah, like we, 355 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,800 we'll like in the offseason, we'll stay at Hannah's dad's 356 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,920 here in Indiana. And so like, we don't have like 357 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,200 if I, we had a house, you know, wherever I probably would like 358 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:12,560 keep stashes of discs. But when I left DD two years 359 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,760 ago, we had a garage sale and a lot of the locals in Indiana 360 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,920 came and like take through my stuff. 361 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,720 And so I didn't keep very much stuff, but a lot of those locals 362 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,600 when I announced that I was coming back. 363 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,640 A couple weeks ago they were like, hey, man, I still got some 364 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,560 of your stuff. Do you do you want to you want 365 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,160 to look at it? And I'm like, yes, I do, yes, I 366 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,400 do. And I'm not like, because I know 367 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,920 like even Emac talking to him like and looking at your wall, 368 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,120 like you have a lot of this, you know, just hanging out there. 369 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:46,840 And some are probably 10 years old, 20 years old. 370 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,880 And there are people who like to collect a lot of that old stuff. 371 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,840 And I've never really been that way to collect a lot of this. 372 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,040 So I think this are meant to fly. 373 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:01,480 And so yeah, I didn't, I'm kind of starting fresh. 374 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,760 Like I got some stacks here of like just stuff that I ordered 375 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,200 and some cool looking stuff that feels really good. 376 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,240 But I do have hookups on some good. 377 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,320 Stuff good. Well name, name a few moles that 378 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,120 were like you were just excited to. 379 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:18,960 You're like, OK, I can't wait to get those back in my hands and 380 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,280 get them, get out and throw them. 381 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:25,200 I mean #1 is this guy right here the judge? 382 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,640 Especially the moonshine ones, Even even after I left, DDI 383 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,520 would have a lot of people come up to me and I'd be hanging out 384 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,040 or, you know, signing or whatever. 385 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,920 And they're like, man, I love this just so much. 386 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,120 And I signed a lot of my old verdicts and stuff like that. 387 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,800 I even this, the first time I went to Europe, I signed quite a 388 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,520 few and like my old defenders that came out in 2018 or 2019. 389 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,040 Wow. And yeah. 390 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,760 And so like, I'm like, man. And then every time you sign 1, 391 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,600 you like think about it and you're like, man, those are 392 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,480 pretty cool. So I think the judge, the judge 393 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,440 was probably top of the list. And then I think the bio 394 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:11,440 defender was a big weapon of mine, throwing BIG4 hands than a 395 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:16,200 felon, A felon. You know, there there's kind of 396 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,720 a couple disks that fill that slot. 397 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,440 You know, you have like your your firebird, you know, and 398 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,360 there's people who love those and they love Sexton firebirds 399 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:26,560 and whatever. And so like with a felon, it's 400 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,600 the same like people love the lucid ex felon or they love the 401 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,760 old runs or the Ricky runs. And so like I I just love the 402 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,760 felon. It was a big weapon of mine. 403 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,240 That's something I felt like I was lacking a little bit over 404 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,400 the last couple years. Not throwing trilogy was my 405 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,560 consistency on my forehands. I'm like really trusting the 406 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,320 disc and how is going to come out of my hand and now I was 407 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,480 going to fly. So it was specifically forehand 408 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,480 disc for me. So felon, bio defender and then 409 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,520 the Potter, of course, because you put on every on every single 410 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,800 hole. What are some of the new ones? 411 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,840 What is the, I don't know. I've seen the last two years, 412 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,320 I'm sure we've obviously we've come out with a handful or any 413 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,800 of the ones that you're ready to test new ones. 414 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,480 Yeah, I know Emac, he's sending me some stuff. 415 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:23,720 I know there's like this Strive because when I left DDI had like 416 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,480 enforcers which I use mainly for like my over stable backhands. 417 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,520 Then I had the fenders for over stable forehands or Max distance 418 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,520 and then I had war horses as well. 419 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:40,760 And so I was, I'm looking for something that I can throw super 420 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,400 far backhand. And I have, I've been testing 421 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,280 out some Raiders and I know there's a lot of runs of Raiders 422 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,080 over the years, but I was like, also there's like Strive I've 423 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,760 heard of. And then like there's also, I 424 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,280 love the Explorer, but I, I know they've come out with the glory 425 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,000 and the honor and I see a lot of people on latitude throwing 426 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,320 those. And so those are definitely 427 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,880 intriguing to me. Nice. 428 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,800 You actually I had, I know I'm coming to jumping around, but 429 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,960 when you say things that makes me think of questions. 430 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,080 So you said stuff about like, you know, coming back to discs 431 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,640 that you were familiar with and you're excited about that. 432 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,520 Do you, when you talk to other players and as they're deciding 433 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,760 about making their move to different manufacturers, does 434 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,960 that play a big role in their choices as far as, like, you 435 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,320 know, I'm going to leave the discs that I really have grown 436 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:44,440 to trust. You know, I mean, I probably, 437 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,040 you know, somebody like Andrew Presnell who's been with Disc 438 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:53,480 Craft for a long, long time. You know, I think, I think he 439 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,040 could adapt, specially because he mainly throws back end. 440 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:03,280 You know, I think my throwing style is quite unique. 441 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:09,000 And so my needs for like discs and how they fly and what they 442 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,200 do and how they feel, I think is maybe a little different than 443 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:18,440 some other people, you know, but there are dislike, I know MVP 444 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,480 like they are historically kind of known for their dis being 445 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,760 like super flat and I like Dome on my discs. 446 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,880 And so I'm like, I don't it would probably be pretty hard to 447 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,720 find like stuff from them that I could throw. 448 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:38,560 And I, you know, I never really thought about that before I left 449 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,560 DD and then after I did and being with another company for a 450 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:46,800 couple of years, it it kind of opens your eyes, you know, to 451 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,960 the stuff that you have thrown what you like and dislike and, 452 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,720 you know, and you have that history of knowing what good 453 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,560 runs are. And so, you know, players kind 454 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,560 of change every offseason it seems like, especially over the 455 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,280 last like five years. And so Silas Schultz, he was on 456 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:11,640 MV or on Dis mania and now he's going to MVP And so like, but 457 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,800 he's kind of a predominantly backhand guy. 458 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:19,080 So usually there is a learning curve and being on the pro tour, 459 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,880 you really have to trust your disc and there's so much OB 460 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,000 everywhere. There's so much wind and 461 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,840 elements that you play in. And so like really knowing your 462 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,600 disc and you don't really like learn a disc until you like 463 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:37,960 throw that like super risky shot multiple times and it turns out 464 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,760 good. You know, like if you try to 465 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,960 throw that risky shot and then one out of three times, like it 466 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,440 turns out terrible and it flips on you or Heiser's too much or 467 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,120 whatever, then you kind of like start second guessing that disc, 468 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,880 at least in my experience. Yeah, I mean, it's not that 469 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,560 they're the the discs are bad quality. 470 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,880 It's just that, you know, you're you're familiar with a a certain 471 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,920 mold and, and you and like you said, and there was tricky 472 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,720 situations and you know, you don't always get to practice the 473 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,040 same courses all over. You know, when you go to a 474 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,920 tournament, it's like you got to play the tournament, then you 475 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,960 move on to the next tournament. So yeah, I was just curious if 476 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,280 that how big of a part that played in people's decisions 477 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,200 when they decide to to move to different places. 478 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:23,640 OK, good. So back to the mold. 479 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,040 What are some what are some other some of your drivers and 480 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,560 and stuff that you're excited about? 481 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,600 I mean, when I went, I went two weeks ago and I threw indoors 482 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,840 because we got 14 inches of snow here. 483 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,440 So I'm like, I don't want to lose anything. 484 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:47,120 But just the couple throws that I've had with like the bio 485 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:51,720 defender specifically, I'm like, Oh my God, like it just comes 486 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,040 out so fast, so hard. And so like clean and easy. 487 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,720 And then throwing the Explorer, it's just like easy distance. 488 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,400 It just feels super good in the hand. 489 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,640 And then I have an old Justice that I team stamps. 490 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,600 When I came to Emporia years and years ago, it was like a Fusion 491 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,160 1. And there's like very few of 492 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,520 those. And like throwing that thing for 493 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,720 Anna back. And I'm like, oh, that's really, 494 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,400 really nice. And then like getting a harp in 495 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:28,520 my hands, like just the depth of it, I feel like it's a lot 496 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,000 easier for me to control. Somebody just messaged me today 497 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,000 on Instagram and asked me like, why would I throw a harp and a 498 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,120 culprit. He was like, once I got the 499 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,000 culprit, it kicked the harp out of the bag. 500 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,720 And for me, I like backhanding the harp a lot because I feel 501 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,720 like it's a little slower. It's a little easier to control. 502 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,480 I'm like super touchy shots and the culprits more like it's 503 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,720 almost more of a mid and better for four hands and stuff like 504 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:56,920 that. And so there's little like 505 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:02,720 interest intricacies, but honestly, like I'm so excited to 506 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,520 just throw everything I have like and and that's the fun part 507 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,640 of it for me. And that like motivates me to 508 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,320 get out there and practice and get better. 509 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,600 It's just like, oh, I want to try this, I want to try this. 510 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,400 Let's talk, let's talk more about your touring and stuff 511 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,880 like that. So over the years, how much have 512 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,040 you seen? I mean, obviously before we 513 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,280 didn't have the Disc Golf Pro Tour. 514 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,680 Now I have the Disc Golf Pro Tour. 515 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,720 What What are some other big changes that you've noticed over 516 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,800 the years as far as being a touring pro? 517 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:39,200 Yeah, I think seeing a lot of nude faces for me like first 518 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,520 touring in 2018 and then, you know, the COVID years, let's say 519 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:49,000 like 20, 2020-2021, that's kind of like in the middle of my 520 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,000 touring career. And so like seeing so many new 521 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:59,360 players that have came in from COVID, You know, we go to our 522 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,760 putting leagues every every week here and I'll probably 90% of 523 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,880 people are over the last three or four years since COVID. 524 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,680 So that's like a big a big thing, you know, because when I 525 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,440 first started playing a lot of tournaments, especially a lot of 526 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,360 the touring pros, you know, in 2820, nineteen, I've been 527 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,040 playing for 10 years or so, you know, there was a very few maybe 528 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,640 like an Eagle McMahon or something. 529 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,480 You kind of just like burst onto the scene out of nowhere. 530 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,840 And so it now it seems like every year there's these young 531 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,240 kids, 1819 years old who have just those 600 feet and who've 532 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,000 been playing since they were five. 533 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,520 But this is the first time you're ever hearing about them. 534 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,440 And they come out and they do really, really well. 535 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,200 And back, you know, in 2018, there wasn't as much money in 536 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,560 the sport. And so I think you kind of had 537 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,640 to, to make it on the tour, you kind of had to like earn, earn 538 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,160 your stripes, like coming up the ranks, you know, and now I think 539 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,680 there's a lot more players who have started who, you know, some 540 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,760 players like even Ezra Aderholt, like he's, you know, one of the 541 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,160 best players in the world and he has like 5 career wins or 542 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,840 something like that. And back on the tour for one of 543 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,840 the best players are back in 2018 and one of the best players 544 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,520 in the world only having five wins. 545 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,440 You're like, what the heck, What's going on there? 546 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,760 And so like, it's, it's just a different thing. 547 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,360 But it means disc golf is growing. 548 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,240 It means that a lot more young kids are seeing that they can, 549 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,840 you know, make a living on the tour. 550 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,640 And I think a lot more parents are willing to like, yeah, you 551 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,680 can skip college for now and go see how you do on the tour. 552 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,160 And back in the day, it wasn't quite like that as much, I don't 553 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,240 think. Yeah. 554 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,240 What? What do you think is the hardest 555 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,240 part of touring that never shows up on coverage on social media? 556 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:57,880 Oh man, I think just like the the inconsistency of how your 557 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,360 week could go, you know, you can have a month where you play 3 558 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,400 events and they all go pretty smooth. 559 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,200 You're staying with the same host you've stayed or at the 560 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,320 same places you've stayed in years past. 561 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,440 And then you know, sometimes there could be weather delays 562 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,960 are in the vents or you're staying somewhere new or just 563 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,280 you know, your car breaks down. Just there's inconsistencies 564 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,600 there. Me and Hannah were actually 565 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,880 talking like the other day and she was telling me how she got 566 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,680 her first car and it was like a Honda Civic. 567 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,440 And she's like, yeah, she's like, yeah, I remember I just 568 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,280 paid like 7000 cash for it. Straight up. 569 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,560 It's like you had $7000 saved up. 570 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,080 She's like, yeah, she was a manager at Wendy's. 571 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,560 And she was like, it was easy to save because like you just, you 572 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,520 go to work every day and you know what, you're going to get 573 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,360 paid in two weeks. And so like on the tour, it's, 574 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,720 there's, it's riskier. There's a lot more like chance 575 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,680 taking. So you know, one month you could 576 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,880 make 5000 bucks and another month you could make 500 bucks. 577 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:06,080 And so it's, it's a little, it's, it's definitely risky and 578 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,720 it can be frustrating at times, but it's ultimately it's fun and 579 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,040 it's awesome. And the people on the tour more 580 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,880 than willing to help. I've had, we've had issues on 581 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,800 the road, you know, everybody does and everybody's willing to 582 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,160 help you and give you rides and stuff like that. 583 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,160 That's good. So how do you personally handle 584 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,560 weeks that the results are not quite where you, cuz you and 585 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,560 Hannah are doing this together, so maybe there's a week where 586 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,560 things didn't turn out the way you thought it would. 587 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,200 How do you guys handle that? How do you keep the grind going? 588 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:44,680 I think over over the years, it was kind of like for, for me, 589 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,200 like touring, you know, I've had like ups and downs and I've been 590 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,720 doing it long enough that like some years are better than 591 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,000 others and things like that. But for Hannah, she's like 592 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,640 started out kind of from the very bottom out of nowhere. 593 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,200 And she's like progressively gotten better and better and 594 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,520 better. But like over those years it 595 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,320 all, it was always funny because like, if I played well in a 596 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,159 tournament, Hannah would usually not play very well. 597 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,840 And then like vice versa. Like she played well. 598 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,560 And so it, it was like frustrating a little bit for one 599 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,520 of us, but we're also like, well, at least like one of us is 600 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,199 doing good. So like, that's a good thing 601 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,679 because we always want each other to do well. 602 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,480 But like there are weeks, especially for me over the last 603 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,000 couple of years where it is like super frustrating and you and 604 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,040 you question things you're like, why isn't the things that have 605 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,639 been working, you know, over the last 10 years or whatever. 606 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:44,320 Why is it not working now? Am I, am I not good enough 607 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,520 anymore? Am I not working hard enough? 608 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,639 Are people just better now? You know? 609 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,600 And so those are like things that cross your mind and you and 610 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,600 you struggle with and you think about and ultimately hard work 611 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,120 beats talented players and just like keeping at that grind. 612 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,600 And so like, that's what I've always tried to do is just like, 613 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,040 put your head down and like, keep, keep going, going at it. 614 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,520 Like you're going to have a good week. 615 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,600 But I, I know for me personally over the last two years, like 616 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,840 there's many times me and Anna are sitting in the van and I 617 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,800 didn't perform well in this cash by like 1 or something. 618 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,400 And you know, that's something that never really happened. 619 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,480 I think I had like one of the longest cash streaks from like 620 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,840 2019 all the way to 2022 or something like that. 621 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,600 And so that was like a new thing that like, it was very 622 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,280 frustrating, but you just have to like keep going. 623 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,360 But I would just sit there and kind of be like man, and just be 624 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:51,560 super, super frustrated. And so then I think having those 625 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,440 thoughts over the last year and knowing like how that felt and 626 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:01,280 knowing that to me, I ultimately had to be like, I still have it 627 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,440 as a player. I'm still competitive, but I 628 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,920 just didn't jive with the equipment I was using. 629 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,880 I was just like, I think that like pushed me more and more to 630 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,080 be like, I think that I want change. 631 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,520 And that's kind of where I came to you in the offseason. 632 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,240 Like I had to sit down for like 2 months and like really, really 633 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:24,760 think about it. And I was like, that's what I 634 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,840 want because ultimately I want to be able to perform. 635 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:33,160 And I don't want that excuse of, you know, not quite trusting 636 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,520 myself because that's the worst feeling ever as you're standing 637 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,640 on a tee and you don't quite trust what's in your hand. 638 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,640 You're like, I don't know how this is going to come out of my 639 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,160 hand. I don't, I hope this is good. 640 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,920 You're just hoping. And at the end of the day, you 641 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,920 want to be 100% confident that if you throw it the way you 642 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,400 intend to, it's going to be good. 643 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,440 And I think that's that's what drives me and that's why I love 644 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,680 practicing so much. Do you feel like, so if you 645 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,400 think back to your early career and you mentioned like, you 646 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,280 know, these young kids coming in all this new talent, do you feel 647 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,040 pressure differently now than you did earlier in your career? 648 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,240 No, I don't. I don't think so. 649 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:20,960 And I think that when there's been like pressure moments, like 650 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,200 like the definition of pressure, you know, is, is something that 651 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:31,520 like, I think is a good thing. I know that, you know, one of 652 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,000 the first times I won an eighth year in Joplin, like Ron 653 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,760 Converse, he he beat me the year before in the eighth year. 654 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,120 I was leading going into the final round and I like felt that 655 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,640 pressure. I was just like, I don't know 656 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,120 how this is going to go. I hope I can beat them. 657 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,520 I hope I play good today. And so like the next year, I had 658 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,960 the mentality of like, I'm going to beat him. 659 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,000 I'm going to play so good that nothing he can do will let him 660 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,320 beat me. And so like you learn how to 661 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,320 perform under under those moments and not like when I'm 662 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,960 having that pressure, that means that I'm doing good and that's 663 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,920 good. And so I look at it as a 664 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,000 blessing. I know for like Hannah over the 665 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,600 years, especially this last season, like she played really, 666 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,600 really well and you know, it's on lead card a lot and stuff. 667 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,680 And so that is pressure moments and she can get like, you know, 668 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,160 I can tell in the morning if she's like feeling that because 669 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,400 she's like I can barely eat and stuff like that. 670 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,600 And like that happens. But like overtime, the more you 671 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,080 do it, the better you get. And ultimately, like that's a 672 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,560 good thing. I'd rather have all the pressure 673 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,880 in the world and everybody's staring at me and like fail. 674 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,280 Then like being on the 3rd to last card and you feel like 675 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,520 you're not going to make cash. You know? 676 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,160 Like it's a better feeling to have that pressure and have that 677 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,280 opportunity to do it because if you pull it off, it's awesome 678 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,000 there. You go, I love it. 679 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,680 How do you, how does, what's it like in the car ride home or 680 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,640 back to wherever you guys are staying when you both are not 681 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,040 doing really well? How do you guys handle the 682 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,880 pressure together being both competitors? 683 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:21,040 Yeah, I think when Hannah first started touring, she she came 684 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,600 because she didn't play a whole lot of events. 685 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,520 You know, she went and played in her local leagues and went and 686 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,040 played with friends a lot and stuff. 687 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,760 But she was just really good. And so she didn't come from like 688 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,840 a sports background necessarily. Like she didn't play anything in 689 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,680 high school and stuff like that. So she like, I don't think she 690 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,400 knew like kind of how like how to practice to like get better, 691 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,480 like with a vision, like I want to work on this today and have 692 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,960 that vision to like do it. And you have to be like 693 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,320 regimented. And so like teaching are the 694 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,040 those things over the year, like, you know, that's helped 695 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,280 their improvement. And so like usually, you know, 696 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,480 when we're driving our long drive, we're driving from Texas 697 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,720 to Vegas or wherever, we have tons of time to talk. 698 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,680 We'll talk about like the things that. 699 00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:15,240 We struggled with and how we want to get better at them, you 700 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:19,600 know, and sometimes we'll we'll plan, we'll be like, all right, 701 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,960 we have two days to get to wherever we're going And 702 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,560 tomorrow we're going to stop and we're not we're not going to go 703 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,160 to the course. We're going to go here and we're 704 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,800 going to just practice. But and we like do it together 705 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,360 and like play games together to get better. 706 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,360 And so I think like always having that like that plan and 707 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,200 like that vision to like get better and work on things like 708 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,280 not giving up and just accepting, you know that you 709 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,080 played poorly is like that could be tough. 710 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,920 And if you do that, you know, you're pretty much like giving 711 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,040 up on yourself. And it's like if you play good, 712 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,680 it's just kind of random chance. And I want all the control I 713 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,480 have to put myself in the best position to like perform. 714 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,400 And so those are the things that we talked about. 715 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,560 It's just like practicing harder, doing more things to get 716 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,400 better, or maybe trying some new discs that you need and stuff 717 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:16,880 like that. So the day I posted about you 718 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,240 coming to Dynamic Discs, we actually, I actually teased out 719 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:24,280 a little emoji, the lemon emoji. And a lot of people understood 720 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,880 what was happening and they were excited. 721 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:28,640 And then when he finally posted the, you know, the, the picture 722 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,640 of you and said that you were back at Dynamic Discs, it was 723 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,720 overwhelmingly positive, which is awesome. 724 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:37,400 But tell me how that made you feel when you saw the deposit. 725 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,520 I think even on Reddit, it was some great comments on Reddit, 726 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,920 on Facebook and Instagram. How did that make you feel? 727 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,720 Yeah, it was, it was awesome. You know, I, I know like players 728 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:52,560 moving is always like an interesting thing and people 729 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,680 always have their like, thoughts on it and things like that. 730 00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,360 And but I, I know there's like one comment that has stuck with 731 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,680 me and it was saying like Clemens is back with DD. 732 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,440 He's like disc golf is coming back, you know, like disc golf 733 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,240 is. It's like maybe he's been a fan 734 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:16,480 for a long time and he's been in disc golf and following the 735 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,360 proceed for years and years. And so like to me, disc golf has 736 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,760 changed a lot over the years. And you know, a lot of us pros 737 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,960 like we reminisce like I do with Oakley and AJ Risley and stuff 738 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,000 about the good old days and things like that. 739 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,440 And so like, I think that fan like saw that, you know, and I 740 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:42,120 know that DD was like one of the early, early companies that were 741 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,240 like doing the social media thing and making their players 742 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:48,480 like super personable and doing those clinics and having us 743 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,880 available and stuff. And they like set the tone for 744 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,680 that. And we have like an awesome 745 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,120 team. And so like I always have that 746 00:42:55,120 --> 00:43:00,760 like feeling of that. And so I it was just, it was 747 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,640 kind of like surreal in a way. And then I think the day that we 748 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,320 posted it, it was on a Thursday and that's when we, I, we went 749 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:14,520 to the putting league and I just went off by myself and I threw a 750 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,640 bunch of diss, you know, just practicing. 751 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,240 And I was throwing explorers and, and bills and justice and 752 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,840 stuff like that. And I like, I kind of almost 753 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,800 teared up, you know, and I was just like, man, this feels so 754 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,400 good. And it just like, feels right. 755 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,960 It's funny because like I put on this shirt today for the first 756 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,600 time and I like put it on and looked at myself in the mirror 757 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,040 and I'm like, man, I look good. This feels right. 758 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,360 And I like walked out of there and I was like looking at Hannah 759 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,960 and I was like, I was like, what do you think about this? 760 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,280 You know, And she was like, that looks that looks right to me. 761 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,160 And I was like, Yep, it does to me too. 762 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:50,880 Awesome. Good for her. 763 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,880 I'm glad that she's, I mean, not that I would expect that she 764 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,240 wouldn't be, but I mean, it's nice that you have someone 765 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:58,120 that's in the disc golf world that's very supportive of you. 766 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,120 So I think that's that's awesome. 767 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,040 OK, So I'm sure if you don't know our listeners, I'm talking 768 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,040 to you. He's a lefty. 769 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,880 This is Chris Clemens, a left-handed. 770 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,600 And we have Zach Melton, who's left-handed. 771 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,320 We have Andrew Anselmo, who just recently highest rated lefty at 772 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,560 one point. I can remember what year you 773 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,280 were the highest rated lefty as well. 774 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,680 And then oh God, I'm going to get in trouble. 775 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,040 Who? Is it Wyatt? 776 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,800 Wyatt Wyatt. That's right, Wyatt. 777 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,400 Wyatt's another lefty. And it what was funny is that 778 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,360 when I was talking to Seth and we, he'd said Anthony had when 779 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,480 the news came out about Anthony getting highest rated, then I 780 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,400 told Seth I was like, Oh yeah. And then Chris Clemens on there 781 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,800 and he was like, yeah, we have 4, We have 4 like big names that 782 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,320 are lefties. And so it's like we got to do 783 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,280 something silly or fun or something with left-handed disc 784 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,840 or something like that. But to my question, though, is 785 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,200 do you think being left-handed has shaped how you see yourself 786 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,480 in disc golf since, you know you're a smallest percentage as 787 00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,120 far as players that are out there? 788 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,360 Yeah, I think it's, you know, there's times on the course when 789 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,280 I'm playing out to where I'm like, man, it'd be nice. 790 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,200 And not after though this 450 foot forehand and I could throw 791 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:11,440 a backhand. It'd be a little more 792 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,320 consistent, a little better in the wind. 793 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,920 But honestly, like over the years I realized like it's a 794 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,680 blessing and like I'm pretty lucky to be because there's so 795 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,360 few of us. And so, you know, if you you 796 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,240 know, there's like me and Melton Nathan Queen, Austin Turner, who 797 00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:33,200 have been on the tour for years. And so like I know every 798 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,560 tournament people will come up and be like, and they probably 799 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,800 do it to them too, Man, you're my favorite lefty. 800 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,840 And I was like, yes, I'm one out of four. 801 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,800 You know, I was like, that's good odds. 802 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:47,560 But I think it's a blessing because me throwing BIG4 hands, 803 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,560 you know, having my hair, being left-handed, like it kind of 804 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,880 separates me from other touring pros. 805 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:59,080 So it's probably helped me gain fans, whereas if I was 806 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:04,000 right-handed, I would be more, I'd probably, you know, be 807 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,360 easier to like miss at A tournament. 808 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,440 But you know, I know the every left-handed player probably 809 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,160 gravitates towards one of us left-handed players. 810 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,800 And if it's me, great. And so I think I think that 811 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,120 definitely helps, even if it's a small percentage, I think it 812 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,640 definitely helps being left-handed. 813 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,160 I think it's awesome. I've always loved it throughout 814 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,000 my whole life, like in sports in general, like it's pretty cool 815 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,240 to be left-handed. Baseball's very advantageous 816 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:34,320 even in basketball, which I used to play too. 817 00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:36,960 And so I, I think it's a blessing. 818 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:45,720 What advice would you give your 2017 self right when you started 819 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:47,360 to really get out there and start touring? 820 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,760 Oh, oh, that's a, that's a good one. 821 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:58,080 I know at that time I, I just wanted a chance to be on the 822 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,000 tour because I know in 2017 I was, I was not touring. 823 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,520 I was living in Kansas City, working at the Dynamic District 824 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,840 store there at Rosedale and then also working on healthcare. 825 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,720 And I was just practicing and I played GBO early in the year and 826 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:21,400 ended up getting a third cuz it canceled the last round and now. 827 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,720 So that was pretty awesome. Thank you for the weather for 828 00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:25,600 that. Cuz I was like, I think I tied 829 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:30,160 with, I think Macbeth won that and I was like 2 strokes behind 830 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,400 him, but I was like tied with Sexton and Ricky or like Simon 831 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,200 or something like that. And I was like at the time, 832 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:41,760 looking back on it, I was like, I, I may have played well in the 833 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,080 rain there and stuff like that, but third is probably pretty 834 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,560 good. And so I was like pretty happy 835 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,720 with that. And so like, I knew that I could 836 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:53,480 compete, you know, with the the best in the world, like if I got 837 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,920 the opportunity. And so like that's all I really 838 00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,560 wanted in 2018 was like that opportunity to compete with the 839 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,840 best in the world. And I think I feel like I 840 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,360 handled it well. Like, you know, I learned things 841 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,400 over the years, but I don't think anything in like my 842 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,640 practice and you know who of course people change over time, 843 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,680 but like how I've approached the game, I don't think it's changed 844 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,440 that much. And I feel like that's why I've 845 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,480 been able to be, you know, pretty successful during it, 846 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:31,440 doing it all these years later. And so like maybe just and 847 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:37,880 enjoying the, the moment more like you never know, like even 848 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,920 2019 USD GC, the one that I almost won, like I remember 849 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,360 after it happened, I was, I was happy, I wasn't upset with 850 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,880 myself, but just because I was like, I'm going to get this 851 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,320 opportunity again. But all these years later, I 852 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,560 haven't been that close, you know, I USD GC. 853 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,120 And so, you know, relishing those moments when you have 854 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,440 them, I think would be some advice I give to myself because, 855 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,200 you know, as a competitor, like you're always trying to stay 856 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,600 super focused and stay in that moment. 857 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,400 And I think for me personally, after all these years, like 858 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:17,120 that's one of my main goals is to be coming down, you know, 17 859 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,320 or 18 at Pro Tour event, a world's USDGC. 860 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,520 And like, no, that you've already won or throw that like 861 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,360 final up shot to park it. And all you have to do is tap in 862 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,040 And then like all that wave of emotion can hit you and you can 863 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,840 like relish it while you're still like playing around. 864 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,800 I think that would be super awesome. 865 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,080 Yeah, that'd be great. So kind of a long still that 866 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,720 long that mindset topic. What? 867 00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:46,680 What's something that you care less about now that you used to 868 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,840 care a lot about back in the day? 869 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,280 That's a good, that's a really good question. 870 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,760 I mean, what do I care less about? 871 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,240 I mean, maybe I feel like there's things that I care more 872 00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:05,920 about, like as far as like, you know, diet and stuff like that, 873 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:14,880 less about maybe like getting as many practice rounds on a on a 874 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,720 course as I like could, since I've played them for so many 875 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:21,560 years. And I like know a lot of the 876 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,720 courses inside and out. You know, when I first went on 877 00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:29,440 tour, like I've seen all all of them on Jomez and stuff like 878 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,760 that, you know, Vermont and Maple Hill and stuff like that, 879 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:37,480 but I had never played them. And so like you can watch it so 880 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,280 much, but you actually have to play it and see how you play the 881 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,600 whole. And so I think, but over the 882 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:48,840 years, like I've learned that you come back to a course that 883 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,280 you've been to five times and you're like, I knew exactly what 884 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,840 I was throwing on this whole, I was throwing this felon right 885 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,360 here and it was perfect. And so then you do it again. 886 00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,600 You're like, all right, nice. Or if you don't have that disk 887 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,920 anymore and you're like, oh man, what am I going to do? 888 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,480 If the felon you have is like a little more stable, little less 889 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,960 stable, you start thinking like, do I have anything that I could 890 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,160 put in my bag specifically for this hole? 891 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:18,040 And so I think getting getting less practice rounds, like I 892 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:23,200 don't need as many on the specific course, I guess that 893 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,680 would be what I care less about. Nice. 894 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,560 All right. Now, as we head into the 2026 895 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:34,240 season, what are you trying to protect mentally? 896 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:40,920 What am I trying to protect? Honestly, like the last 897 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,480 specifically, the last year was one of the hardest that I ever 898 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,880 had on tour. Not being, not performing at the 899 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,720 level that I felt like I was capable of, you know, and 900 00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:56,600 there's a lot of reasons for that. 901 00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,080 But I've had I've had those times, you know, over the years, 902 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,880 there's been tournaments or a span of tournaments where I 903 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:08,040 didn't perform how I wanted to, but I was always able to like 904 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,760 come back from that mentally and always able to have a good 905 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,520 tournament, you know, to stop that like span. 906 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,720 And so then I can build on that. And there were so many times 907 00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:23,200 over the last year where I was just telling Hannah I was just 908 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,080 like, I just want one good round. 909 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,640 Like that's all I want. Because I felt like I could do 910 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,920 like I'd have a good like 12 volts and then I would, you 911 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,520 know, mess up on like two or three holes and it just 912 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,960 completely tanks your round. And over the years, like I've 913 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,760 always been very consistent. Like I might not shoot the 914 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,520 hottest round, but I might not shoot that like 12 under. 915 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,760 But I was like consistently shooting 7 or 8 under and like 916 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,040 there and then I would put myself in position to have that 917 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,240 hot round, you know, by Sunday and put myself in contention. 918 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,880 And so I like struggle with that a lot. 919 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,280 And so I had to break it down to basics and be like, I just want 920 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,480 one good round, you know, not even necessarily a good 921 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:11,640 tournament. And so I, I don't, I mean, 922 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,160 it'll, I'm sure it'll happen, you know, at some point this 923 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,160 year, you know, everybody has ups and downs and you struggle a 924 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,600 little bit, but just staying like mentally strong and having 925 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:25,640 that, like trust in yourself that you can perform the way 926 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,280 that you want to, you know, if you put in the work. 927 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:35,040 And I'm very excited to do that. I, you know, that was a lot of 928 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:41,920 my reason for coming to DD was that I, I felt like I just lost 929 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,760 confidence over the last two years. 930 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,200 And I'm like a confidence player. 931 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,040 You know, you got to believe in yourself at the end of the day. 932 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,280 And it's, it's hard to perform if you don't. 933 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,720 And so like, I knew that I believed in myself. 934 00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:57,840 Do you know earlier in my career and I was like, I wanted that 935 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,040 that feeling again so I could perform the way I want. 936 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,560 Nice. And I've never known you as 937 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,640 someone that really like puts a lot of pressure or stress on 938 00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,000 yourself about when you consider what other people think about 939 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,560 you. I think that's great, right 940 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,560 about you. But here's kind of a deep 941 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,960 question, I guess, when, when it's all said and done, when 942 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,160 disc golf is done for you, right? 943 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,720 What do you hope people would say about you? 944 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:34,240 You know, I think when I like being a fan of sports over over 945 00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:39,760 the years and you, you look at people's legacy and things like 946 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,800 that. You know, you take somebody like 947 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:47,480 Michael Jordan who was the ultimate winner, even at the 948 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:53,440 expense of maybe not being the nicest dude or you know, 949 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,720 whatever, stuff like that. Like people do respect him for 950 00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:01,680 that. But for me personally, I want to 951 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:06,120 be somebody that other touring players always enjoyed playing 952 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:10,120 with, whether I played good or played bad. 953 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:17,840 Somebody fan, somebody that fans like, they can show their five 954 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,600 year old, 10 year old or whatever and be like, see, like 955 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,320 I'm a fan of him, you know, because like he always carries 956 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,840 himself well on the course. I've always had good 957 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,360 interactions with him off the course. 958 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:34,120 I think for me, that's my biggest legacy, like in disc 959 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,520 golf and in life in general was just like being a person that 960 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,480 other people can like count on and that other people, you know, 961 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,640 want to be around and like feel good about being around and, you 962 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:53,080 know, talking to or just, yeah, just said that feeling of that 963 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,920 people. It's not like like me, you know, 964 00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,920 I'm sure there's people that don't like me for whatever 965 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,640 reason, you know, But does people like respect that I was, 966 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:08,320 you know, a professional on and off the course and that I, you 967 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,600 know, gave it my all, you know, even one of even if it's tough 968 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:18,280 and just always like fought and to, to get better and, and I, I 969 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,040 love something that I was super excited about also. 970 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,760 And I guess this kind of ties it in when I was on DD, especially 971 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,680 early in my touring career, like they always had Junior Worlds in 972 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,040 Emporium. So I loved going to Junior 973 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,960 worlds and connecting with all the kids and seeing them just 974 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,200 having fun playing disc golf. And just like that was always 975 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,240 super fun for me. And so like seeing Wyatt 976 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:45,920 Mahoney, Anthony and Selmo, you know, Carter Aaron's, who's on 977 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,720 the tour now, like seeing those kids when they were like 12 978 00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:51,880 years old and having fun and seeing the growth that they've 979 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,440 been able to put into their game and be able to achieve what they 980 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,040 wanted. Like I think that that's 981 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,320 awesome. And so I've always been very 982 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,080 excited about that and like the future of disc golf, having more 983 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,640 of those young kids getting into it. 984 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:10,400 And so I think, yeah, like, for me, my legacy, I want to be like 985 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,520 helping, helping the younger people get into disc golf. 986 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,640 And yeah. And their parents being like, 987 00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,640 yeah, man, he's a good role model all. 988 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,600 Right, I like what you said something that I saw a video 989 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:28,160 that touched me a little bit because I do tend to try to be 990 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,120 the nice guy and I, I, I do worried, you know, you know, of 991 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:32,840 course, someone who's on video all the time. 992 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,640 I'm thinking, do people like me? Right. 993 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,520 But the thing you said was, you know, they're going to be people 994 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,600 that don't like you, but hopefully they at least respect 995 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,840 you and what you're trying to achieve. 996 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,720 And that's something that I saw in the video was like, don't 997 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,760 worry about being like, but but just make sure you do things so 998 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,200 you're at least respected. So I think that's fantastic. 999 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,360 Let me ask you this right now. Are you having fun? 1000 00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,880 Yeah, I am having a lot of fun. We're we're preparing here in 1001 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,600 Indiana. We're going to be leaving for 1002 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:08,920 Florida and like like couple weeks now it's getting pretty 1003 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,480 close and I'm getting super excited about it. 1004 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,880 We're getting a new vehicle to tour in and I think we also, we 1005 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:22,280 looked at a tournament that I think Tyler Searles running down 1006 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:27,440 in Florida and in he's been, he's been one of the people, 1007 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,800 he's helped me a lot over the years, you know, get little bit 1008 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,720 getting discs and stuff like that. 1009 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,880 And he's a super awesome dude, super awesome TD. 1010 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,800 And so I'm getting excited to play. 1011 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,000 I think we're going to try to play as a dent down there. 1012 00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:46,960 And so, yeah, I'm just having fun, you know, And like in the 1013 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,920 time that I have where I'm like, not disc golfing and stuff like 1014 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,600 that, like I like to game a little bit on the Xbox. 1015 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,520 And so I've been playing like Arc Raiders with my buddies and 1016 00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,600 I'll play Magic the Gathering on my phone. 1017 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,960 And so yeah, like in general, in general, I'm having fun for 1018 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,040 sure. Good, good. 1019 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,760 Well, Chris, I appreciate you being on the show. 1020 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,880 I always love working with you and I am very happy and excited 1021 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,080 about working with you in 2026. But I appreciate you being on 1022 00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,000 the show, sharing a little bit about what you got going on, a 1023 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,720 little bit about your life. And of course, I wish you the 1024 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,280 best. And I'm sure this, I mean, I 1025 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,600 absolutely know this will not be the last time you and I talked 1026 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,760 so, but I appreciate you, Chris, very much so. 1027 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,040 Yeah, I appreciate you too. I appreciate your service. 1028 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,360 You're the man. I'm glad to be back. 1029 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,040 Glad to be back talking with you. 1030 00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,440 And it feels good. And I can't wait to see you on 1031 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,520 the road, too. Hopefully you can make it out to 1032 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,880 some events. Absolutely. 1033 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,680 We should probably tell people the story about that. 1034 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:48,280 Thank you for your service, Joe. Now we'll leave them guessing on 1035 00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,040 what it means. Let him guessing, okay, We'll 1036 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,880 have to tell it on another episode or something. 1037 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,400 So, yeah, well, I appreciate you, Chris. 1038 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,120 Have a good one. See you.