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february on they two we're go to go.
You that is that's. You're.
Going to be a first time in Germany.
I went back in two thousand ten with with Daniel for sea fan
fire conference or some something like this that you was
do in and II don't speak going to think i was just there as a
friend in we want to the Christmas, the Fame is Christmas
Festival i get in Frankfurt is at right, so that's my only all
the time, they're all that and bing in the airport as.
Usual. So have you to have you here and
it's think you so like for take in the time to make this call.
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and what have a blessing. Falls you know or that to the
german community of belivers and so it's it's go to have you and
just to you know i've some questions prepared for you to
insture and see how we can prepared best for the conference
but also to get to know you'll but that's so.
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to jump into that exack topic with you not not just to they
but in to weks at the conference and we think there's no no
better voice probly to have the german bright to to get call
back in to this. Primary Ministry of ars and so
just to warm upalil, but we have this question sense, you're
readalot one can toe one when we read your books, what is one
german off there you think every german christian should no.
Martin Luther. Oh ja.
He he I've see there was some bads of but.
It's good stuff is trumendes it's work on salvation by greys
through face is so important expecial because we have
attenance the all of us. I think to slip into works as im
endeffekt he's that this one coat on there, forget it, he
road if god createed the world out of nothing that I'm Us
bekommen nothing if he's going to create an ising out of me.
Well what a quote, it's very timely that quote in our days
today that we just gassing your, but the world coming out of
nothing rate. So that's an offed and the
partcast right there what's on there that.
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We're going to distributes book right now to are churchmembers
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That's are how mini will do that but.
That will be a good preparation. I think are you for the confert
at self and then will a try to a sell as many as as we can it's
on amazon next wegrad. Are will the next.
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this is going to have the bright for shirt.
Prase Car that's. Us i was pranged this morning
and and asking the Lord and i have a word for you.
Just for the beginning and then we can at some questions on top
of that and then i isea fifty two seven.
It's as I'll beautiful upon the mountons are the feed of him,
we'll bring's good news, we'll bring's good news of happiness,
we'll publishes salvation, we says to zion, you'll god rains.
What how what a words for as? So when that you're realize eric
for the for the first time or or.
Realies that you should in you good be a publisher of good news
and of the solvation of r Jesus christ on the cross one is it
start is journey of at being that.
We'll I'm never one to get interministry it was never
something that was on my radar, but because of the outbreak of
god in brunsville pentacola from ninety five two thousand it was
there's a lot of problem's there, i was.
Actual presents and that's what a metalord in a real deep
experiential way and so i can addicted to his personal
presents the awareness of god the Sands of ham what it feld
like one i gay all my heart attention to them it be can't
the online think i was interested in.
And so when I Want to Browns will Revival School of Ministry,
i have no plans to go for there into a churchin bekommen a
bastards i want there because it was a way for me to be around
that atmosphere all they every they in to the night we got free
access or not what i'm can by free access is we got a separate
access into the revival at night because we're studance so i when
for the the soul purpose of. Being in the presents of the
lor, so the the the journey to actually geting in the ministry
begin in two thousand ten, i have are to be working for
reinhard bunky for about five yers that i when it to
construction because they like all for bunch a people man i
have no of, i it no skills that what's so i have to just do it
have i can find of was dign o's, but in two thousand ten as i'm
see can the lored one morning not for any thing just.
Just because he was so lovely, he is so lovely to just be aware
of and what i was there i heard in my bones you've going on i'm
talking about and you just you know that you know that you know
and i tridor a range of the words on my page to fit exackly
what i felt in my bones and what it set what he set to me was.
I what you to speak for me, they're simple and i that was
when everything begin i put in a two x no is a for my job i know
in come.com in and i just that i'm going to i'm going to bridge
to gospel and i've going to reinhard bunky and i tolding
what i was going to do he late is hands on my head he belast me
and that was the day that i belive the Lore pot oil on my
head. To go fors and preds to gospel
and to right books and to do videos and things like this, but
the lover be in the open of doors, but that i start of
preding and jills because they there we're can for preders i's
are preding and jills and holmers and mals we we go to the
foocar and the mom this get the pipel we're get that at first,
but we find that was and helping we're a might for you get kick
out so so we're do is we're get there people that one it in
meed. In the foodcard in a be a big
circle, people be like was going on of there because there's so
going to people in a circle with bibles and then we would us that
to geral people in the security car's roll k with that because
we're laut and yaling at people or tuching people you know so
andy, but that's how i'll really begin with me, but it was never
i am I'm shire you as are exacklies and we he is it, he's
it. They're some time to takes a
well to you realize that I've been Christian all my lifebase
equity of the rowing up and christian home, but i can not
see that i have any idea of he is it or he is an f or just he
as a person is is that for for manimany years at just happend
me be fifteen years so go that is slow the starte to to realize
that is the person and not. Just the.
Word or just the churr training see like that.
What a good Word. What a good.
Store of you. What you're marry to that time
marry. I get Marry two thousand four
yes, so we have we are had arty had madison.
We can't know and then Lea is fourteen, so Lea was born the
here that i quit my job and my one for's praging that we're i
quit. It was crazy, it was a crazy
time, but the verbus faithful and caridas and he's trusts
wordy. It was a man, a man.
Ja we can haveing the church for three years, not we have kind of
a simular story we wins from the idea to plant the church to
planting the church i think with in one are two, we store
something and then just start it in the living room downstars
here. And that's one question that we
have for for this interview was what what you tell it church and
II feill like this is what we're going to talk about like the
hole we can in two weeks, but how what you say can we as a
three eurole church grow deeper and that like intermissy with
the lord because i feillike for many people.
It was a first time to really have church build around that
concept of just knowing him and our slogan as a church actually
is knowing him more today, then yesterday or living him more
today and yesterday and i feill like some times in are flash, we
can comed to that point we're like we've see it all we've don
it all we've red all the books what is there to do now?
And how how would you advises to just go deper and eventest one
we when name that conference jesus is in off like many people
in are church that might not be new language to them what what
you say to some of why should you still comy when if you think
you are you know what that means you know I'm think?
You's absolute so for me the end of to you questions one word, a
two word, axl the gospel. And what i what i mean by that
is the gospel is the spark that lights of the fire of live for
Jesus, so i personaling i go back to the gospel every single
day because in it i see the nature and charakter of Christ.
And that corses me to loveham even if i feel that i feel num,
i don't feel affections you know flowing for the Lord, i good of
the gospel and i like at the gospel and that's i stereed at
Gospel. It's like a spark see here, we
don't have it's not call all the time and for that and mostly is
hot, but wend it is call i make fires outside.
In my back Art and i will befuse to us a match or a lider, i use
only sparks. I get it's a think that i just
and joy do it so i will spar i will strike the there are out
strike strike it and till it begins to catch just a little
bit, then i'll but tiny to x on and then for mered put a little
bit bigger ons, but for you know i'm poting on like bigger pieces
and then bevor you know i'd put on holog.
And then it's of it's on the fire and i can warm.
I'll faning with it, so it's in the same way when I'm called i
go to the strike of the gospel because the strike of the gospel
is will a fire of love can burn like of the people up and warm
them up as as well so in my epinion the gospel never fails
because it is not like the power of god.
It is the power of got. It is seeing him as he is in the
gosbal that wins the hard and this is that think this is what
you just that is very coming. We because we're human and and
you like it the children viseral it's as a dance bevor the Lord
Remember is good works the next day it is they for got it you
don't just just kind of like the human probble that's what we
need the gosbal every they you know the most and port and have
a christian can pisess. Is to daily remindem sos of the
goswell Charles Burgen so the most in Port and have it a
christian can poses is to daily remindem sos of the gospel we
love him because he first love us so that that's how i would
like at it so for person is like what i go i know that already i
would say to them becareful becareful.
Because when we get to the point, we're like i know that
already we're almo's like the chilgin visual and they say what
is this mana. I'm tired to this mana this mana
com's down from have we be com so num that we're we're no
longer interestit in that what's falls down out of the sky you
know you you think of something like the athenians in the book
of AX. The description of the atheniens
is they always one to here something new, so there there we
have this affinion type mentality in christianity or
just like gimy some of new, i know that gimy something new,
but christed is new everigates he's he's brand new everigates
you know there's a code from Michael Reeves I'm know he's
he's also there you know he's this code bordum is blindness.
What a statement Ha bordom is bordom is blind is if a
christian is i know that already if a Christian is I'm not
hungry, I'm on Bord, it's because I've stop seeing it.
Is so good because I'm feel that this is white.
It's me be so grate that the lord put is to get it that it's
this is happening now after three yars because in a
beginning we's at. We want to love Jesus every day
Mord and the day before and that was are vision and so every but
is like low crazy what kind of vision is that as there was
that's the vision that we have from the lord to start to church
so that was exiting that vision or it was exiting to talk about
it, but then all's some they're coms the daily rutine of church.
In off the churchmembers coming from other church, maybe i have
been christian for long time that or a such and is like what
we when is the next thing happening like what what what is
the news they have. Like right.
We are holding back as the leadership and sing we have to
all tite to this vision and this sinceer love for christ in the
simplicity and not get carry the way from anyth by or anything.
No have to threeers it's like i feel that we are push almas
true, but we're not qui true to the point that we see in tenyars
jesus is anaf is still anaf. And.
We're but we really what wish that we will pole true and not
and not kevin. And's a Wonderful Gold, A holt
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Is absolut Leo. It's you're going man.
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Yeah. Yeah, so one of there think that
we want to to ask is is they're anything specific you have on
your heart for the german bright or the european bright because
II don't know how i'll want you here of a there about like what
the lord is doing in Germany and in Europe it, but as the Lord
moved in your heart so far that you what one a speak to a german
audians on this podcast and and to the german bright of all.
Yeah, what a one of a question II feel like my enthesis desire
longing is to see the church as a hole, but in cludes Germany
Fall in love with the man Christ Jesus and so i you know it the
sams so critate but to in do's the world to love him and as
you're as are sign like keeping that clear side of him so that
there's a peer love for him. So that there is a real living
felt enjoinment of got. This is very important for me,
so what i would have to say to the german church is that there
is nothing more blissful there is no live more enjoible there
are no plasers that trump christed the person being
enjoyed everyday in love and affection and adoration and this
presses. Crashes love a book that we have
or we can see them and live alive that little glows a glow
with affection for hemm by this prashes means he's word, he's
love book, he's love, he's love songs and the love language so
this what i think he's very important because the find
holiness happens to us when we just love em.
There's an o code by Finalone from France, he Saddam love him
and i will tell you to do no more for all elswill.com by love
and i think that's that's the key it as what i want to see and
if i was to pray Lord do something in Germany i would be
this lord in do them to love you Fall in Love was you in live a
life of love to get it was. You is absolut.
How would you discribed the difference between noing him or
living withim? Oh one to for one of for call.
I think it's starts noing starts the hole journey and then the
living to get a withim is sustained, knowing i do i do
think that some people comed to no delord in a in a respekt.
And then there time trials difficulty they can beginnt to
drift away from the lord of in the bibles as and hebres two.
We're just pay much closer attention to the things we have
heard so that we do not drift, we're so is drifting is a
posibility, but i think a living withham is a biding it's taking
seriesly he's presents if i was to see a not a definition for
the word of bid in english you can see refusal to the part.
So, i think living withem is refusing to the part from it is
present, but noinghem is it's it's we're begins and then the
perpetual knowing a the continual rezeption of hamm or
growing and knowing is that live to get the withem and a wearness
of as presents a car for what he desirers looking into what he's
like. The orientation of the holbing
to words gots presents that you know this that like and the.
Or you're absolute like because they're some of us destruction
and i'm show that you feel avisly the same and it's the
media or the politic or people around you that that people are
geting cut up and the daily bases and they know the lord and
it's say they know the lord but i wonder and my on live, but
also in the church life, how do we?
Com to a sustainable living withim not just talking about
him, but talking to him and withim and also living in a
morning at new at at night withim and that always just
being destructed and then trying to find back glimps of a minute
to to see kim, but not axi living withim.
And you at that's you know's beautiful for axi, i just red a
book bei John Marc comer, I'm not.
I was an One hundred Prozent unborr with everything that he
set, but something that he that's that i that was very
variable is obi, so it's call the rules elimination of heri,
but he talks about heri and three major ways, one heri is
bing, two skattered to live filly way of god it's one two,
it's bing two skattered to live filly identive to the person
that's in fron of you. And three harry is living to
skatter to enjoy the moment that your in so harry the storage
relationship was got your relationship was people and your
enjoinment of live, so I'm I'm kind of summarizing a home
portion of it, but i think that harry is a goodway to look at it
II red a call here's a they from my from brian perdl he is i am
two. Something oh man, how do you
have do you see it he's that i am to oh it not it was like is
to important to hery i'm i can't we're going to do that guard,
but that hery is is AA manufestation of lak of trust so
i think what we're talking about we you we're talking with the
lord it's going to be ruded in a complete rest and trust.
Face surrender to the Lord so that he's the one who's carrying
us and we're not china you know carry the thing are selbst the
samicance. He's totly and.
We don't have that question on the liz, but my i phillic this
question on my hard is. How do you step as a charge from
that individual experience of his glory and his presents to a
corporate enjoinment and corporate experience of that
because that's what we long to experience to get a with you in
toeaks and that's what we want to open the room for, but some
time's even like the the pass toeers was like.
Hands on training like how to fall of this presens not like as
an a book, but like real. How do you perso the presence as
a church and some time's you can have a service?
We're one person is like man, i felt the presence so much and
that point and you're like man II felt so the started we're
like so on a we're them and how do i would you say can we open
up a room even in two weks to really experience and and joy
that to get there. It's a grate question you know
all end to you with and end to that was going to me.
I just that same question to Michael Miller I'm not if you
know you're are to me of aberum i just.
Stop to to wix to go and he's that i to you.
Oh. Ja, ja, what's that.
That's what we're right as petra and we talk to and we tolerant
get it spoken so i see i to eric.
You so i is spentanite at this house with himan is wife and we
have to grate time to get there and i spoke of there and one
we're driving i. Like that how how do you call to
vay and i'm just for like this can you to feel the persons of
the lord there and he's answer was just tramendis he's as it's
simpel, what is it i's, what is it he's is Fokus, Fokus and i'm
ok can you't play that you know to me he's I don't loose Fokus
keep Fokus on the Lord and. And i was like well that's
pretty interesting and he be in to us the illustration of a
camelance like when you a fokest you see am rightly and i think
if we can't keep the intire room all the Mines all the Hearts
directed upwards by constantly dring the mine towards the
greatness of God. The love of God the goodness of
God is attributs who he is if we can keep that it.
Bevor there is the lovelyness of Jesus.
I think that's the fokus like a miller's talking about that
enables a corporate collective experience of of the lord.
It's so good. That's so good, it's klar.
One or ho so simple and so some times can be.
So revealing for. A.
Life Rate. It as a very true.
Ja, we're really really hope to to get a new at i'm of new, but
it deper gloms of is glory and to conference to be in a
different setting. We invite it's avisly ilon but
more people and just are church and we'll be like fifty fifty,
we'll are going to have a we be a hundred AD people there and
have and will be from. From are church and you have
friends from or on germany and and we're want to if you have me
be some ideas how we can prepare well for for that dain a have
that we have together. And how can one individualy
prepare is hard to get themals out of that we can.
So not Organisation all the preparation and spiritual
operation you. You I'm I'm you're i know this
already but it's themes. That basing things in prer, but
constantly just all you link things up, but bringing it to
the lored prer prer the browser revival was what it was because
they prate you know there we're a people of prer the invested
time in prer it's a that's the best preparation bolf
collectivity and in divisually. Life of prered a keeps the hard
soft to Reeve. The seeed keeps the atmosphere
soft to reeve the seeed i think one of the biggest grown
hardning things is prerlessness so if a people in the gelect
prer there there they bekommen it's hard of the seeed to get in
and think think in so i was it prer i'm try to do the sameting
every they just bean ovies the with the lord for personal
enjoinment. And then moving from there into
intercessory colaboring are cover this, but for your glory
you know yourkingdom.com you know.
As we're going to go prayer in prayer have to this call we have
winsday night Waship in Prayer night again, so.
Oh Hot what time is it of there? It's right now as five thirty.
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