1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,400 All right, so today we have a special guest on the show. 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,880 I am excited because this is the first time actually Mitchell and 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,560 I have got a chance to meet because we have been following 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,200 each other on threads for a while, just connecting over our 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,760 shared life experience with ADHD, how it shows up in our 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,760 lives, how it shows up as he's going to be a parent soon and 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,720 some other cool things that he's doing. 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,440 And so I'm really excited to, one, get to know you a little 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,960 bit better, Mitchell. But also, we have a shared 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,479 passion about supporting people in the ADHD community because 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,640 this is our life, right? It definitely is, and it comes 12 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,360 with so many complexities. So I think like helping people 13 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,200 and kind of even at least just being like an ear or shoulder to 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:43,880 cry on it's. Yeah. 15 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,080 Is a. Yes, I love when I first 16 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,600 introduced, got introduced to you on threads and I was like, 17 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,960 all right, I'm gonna give this this threads thing a 30 day 18 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,160 trial. And you were one of the first 19 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,480 people that was just like super encouraging, not only just in my 20 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,480 journey, but also just in threads and all this stuff. 21 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,440 And I was like, I'm a fan. This guy's awesome and connected 22 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,800 me with different people and just growing, not just growing 23 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,720 my audience, but growing the idea of what could happen on 24 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,360 social media. I feel like it's been such a, 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,160 it's been kind of a rough journey for me. 26 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,840 And I feel like this is like, I was like, OK, this is our common 27 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,880 thing. But then you're doing so many, 28 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,080 really, you're just doing so many amazing things in true ADHD 29 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,120 fashion to it. Would be boring if I wasn't 30 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,720 doing so many things, or it would be very uncharacteristic 31 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,280 of ADHD if I was just like doing one thing. 32 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,040 Right. I always told my daughter I was 33 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:40,520 like, only boring people are bored now. 34 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,120 I'm like, I'm never bored because there's always something 35 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,600 I'm like trying to figure out. Like, my gosh, like, what can I 36 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,440 do next? Like there's always something. 37 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,920 So I would love it if you would just kind of share a little bit 38 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,400 of your journey, whatever you want to share today. 39 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,000 This is kind of like a open, open dialogue for us to get to 40 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,880 know each other better. But also I would love if you 41 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,240 would share more of your story and kind of what led to today 42 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,360 actually. So I've been diagnosed with AHD 43 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,320 since I was nine years old. I've been been on a lot of 44 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,040 different medications and it wasn't, it's all about probably 45 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,920 a year ago I fully started embracing my ADHD and journey 46 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:19,640 and being public about it because I was the classic like 47 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,800 label as an overachiever. Like had tons of potential. 48 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,600 And then you don't assert yourself or you don't apply 49 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,360 yourself and you get the classic kind of perspective from all 50 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,120 your teachers and stuff. And it's like, and then yeah, 51 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,520 about a year ago, I started just talking about it, just being 52 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,520 open about it. And it kind of my brother, for 53 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,000 example, kind of just, he was kind of scared for me because 54 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,440 he's like, why are you being this opener? 55 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,440 Why are you this public? It's like, because the more I 56 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,040 talk about this stuff, the more I actually feel empowered that 57 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,520 it's the part of my life. It's not something that's gonna 58 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,280 ruin or even like prevent me from doing things type of thing. 59 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,800 So it's like talking about it and I have found has actually 60 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:00,440 helped me connect with other people too. 61 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,160 Like, I was at a networking event for my wife when she was 62 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,400 in Pennsylvania school when I started talking about my ADHD. 63 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,160 And then somebody goes, yeah, my brother has had that forever. 64 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,600 So it's really cool to see people connect the dots and 65 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,160 start talking about their family and stuff. 66 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,080 I feel like it's easier to connect with people more deeper 67 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,840 level. And that's the thing I like 68 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:23,680 about talking about ADHD is because what I found about how 69 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,640 we connect is we get right into the deep stuff. 70 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:30,800 There's no ruffle anything. It's not, it's like I had a dog 71 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,600 when I was 6, like my, my aunt just died last week. 72 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,640 Like it's you just start unloading and then people don't 73 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,400 know how to either you either you get it one or two ways. 74 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,040 Somebody will go down the rabbit hole with you, or somebody will 75 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,360 be like, OK, whoa, whoa, we're moving way too fast. 76 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,880 Yes, yes, I'm with you on that rabbit hole because I'm like, 77 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,360 oh, wait, what about let's let's go this way, let's go that way. 78 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,720 You have you're a very multi passionate person and so I would 79 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,520 love to. You had like a big, a big thing 80 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,760 happen in life recently. Actually, you've had a lot of 81 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,720 big things happen in life. Recently, yeah, it that seems 82 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,920 like it happens pretty like everything converges at the same 83 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,440 time and it's like like, yeah, you work so hard for all these 84 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,360 things and then everything happens at the same time. 85 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:10,960 You're OK? How do I manage everything? 86 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,960 Yeah, and it kind of sometimes, at least for me, I feel like 87 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,480 it's like the the Chicken Little moment where I'm like, Oh my 88 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,360 gosh, this guy is falling, you know? 89 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,680 And then it's like, hold on. I actually had an employer once 90 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,360 tell me, like, I see you freak out, but then immediately 91 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,280 afterwards you go into like planet fix it mode. 92 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:31,200 And at the time I was working with youth. 93 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,880 And so it was like, OK, like I had to really be on it. 94 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,200 But my initial reaction, my face, my face can't tell a lie. 95 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,120 And so my initial reaction was like, I'm freaking out. 96 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:43,000 What? You're saying? 97 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,680 Yeah, I'm like, I'm freaking out. 98 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,720 And then I'm like, OK, let's let's get to it. 99 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,600 And so that's kind of what you've been doing too with just 100 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,240 life happening is you're like, all right, this is this is 101 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,920 happening and figuring out next steps for you. 102 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,840 Well, I, my wife's been in the military for so for eight years. 103 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:04,040 So I've just kind of like embraced the, the changes just 104 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,360 constantly because it's like she has a military training. 105 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,040 We have to go here. She got into PA school. 106 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,960 So it's like, I think what I've learned is literally, it's not 107 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,160 uncomfortable because you're bad at it. 108 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,760 It's uncomfortable because it's brand new and you have never 109 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,360 experienced this before. So it's like giving yourself 110 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,600 that grace to figure it out and you will figure it out. 111 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,520 Is is the right mindset. I think I've taken on that I 112 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,960 really love. Yeah, I remember being very 113 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,440 nervous to deliver my daughter and someone was like, oh, people 114 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,520 are having babies all over the world all the time. 115 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,840 And I was like, yes, but this is my first time. 116 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:41,560 I'm like, this is a, this is a big deal for me, you know. 117 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,640 And so just because I think that other people are doing things 118 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,320 like we all have different life experiences that we're bringing 119 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,920 to the table and each one of us has a totally different story 120 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,800 that we're telling and that we're living. 121 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,960 And then putting all of those things together and having this 122 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,280 underlying thing of ADHD there, that just makes things extra, 123 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:02,640 extra fun and spicy. I think it can. 124 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,560 Be well, I can't imagine like being an aged year, being 125 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,520 pregnant and then running down the rabbit hole of a million 126 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,320 different scenarios of what could happen. 127 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,800 And so then it makes it even that more intense. 128 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:15,880 Then you're just like, well, I'm up. 129 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,000 I'm going to be a bystander when my wife delivers. 130 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,360 So I'm just like have my birthing plan. 131 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,520 My wife's like make sure the epidural happens sooner than 132 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,520 later and we'll be good because she's AER physician. 133 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,880 So she's just seen everything and she's like either way, she's 134 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,440 got to come out C-section wise or the natural way, like she's 135 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,320 coming either way. Yeah. 136 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,960 By the way, Mitchell, you're not going to be a bystander. 137 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,560 You're a very valuable part of the team. 138 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,200 I would not have made it through that experience if it wasn't for 139 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,800 my husband. So you're a very vital part of 140 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,240 that team. Yeah, I've gone through the 141 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,200 feelings of just being like, I think it's more of like watching 142 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,400 somebody go through something. I don't want to say childbirths 143 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,240 traumatic, but it is kind of like it's a big event and it's 144 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,280 like it's a very high stakes. So I think that's the biggest 145 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:01,920 thing. And it's like I have to sit here 146 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,160 and support my wife and make sure she's comfortable. 147 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,840 I've started to realize that the role of dad in the first like 148 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,920 probably years, literally to take care of the mom and the mom 149 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,360 takes care of the baby and then you kind of hand off. 150 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,520 She hands the baby off to you. When you can, yeah. 151 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,160 You posted something recently that I absolutely loved. 152 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,120 And I was like, oh, I want to talk about this because, and I 153 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,840 think this is really true too. When anyone's going through any 154 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,880 kind of like life transition or hardship, especially with with 155 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,360 someone else and like the listeners of the show could be 156 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,240 going through, you know, some debt elimination journey and 157 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,960 getting their finances in order. But when you're doing it with 158 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,920 someone else is the 2 of you together are 100%. 159 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,920 But you're not always 5050. So sometimes, sometimes you're 160 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,080 bringing 90% and your, and your partners bring in 10% and 161 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,720 sometimes those, you know, ratios work out, but together 162 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,320 you're 100% A-Team. I loved, I love that 163 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,520 perspective. And I also, I think it's so 164 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,360 important, especially if you're the person living with ADHD or 165 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:10,240 you're living with someone that struggles with ADHD, that and 166 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,120 especially money, money stuff, because we know that that could 167 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,400 be, that could be a whole other base in itself. 168 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,480 But I love, I love what you said about that. 169 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,560 That was really cool. Yeah, and I've, I've heard that 170 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,320 from a bunch of people. The the things are not a 5050 171 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:24,720 thing. And it's like, no, what? 172 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,400 There's always like you're going to carry your partner, sometimes 173 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,760 they're going to carry you. And it's like perfect example, I 174 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,120 carried my wife for 2 1/2 years while she went to pace PA school 175 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,559 financially. Like I had a job. 176 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,440 I had him in like I may not like the job, but it's like I have to 177 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,520 do it because the family goal is to get her through PA school 178 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,240 because it's going to be amazing at the end. 179 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,840 And funny enough, I got laid off from my job about 3 weeks ago 180 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,800 and now she's she came to me and she's like, it's your turn. 181 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,720 Like you carried me through PA school and look at how amazing 182 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,640 her life is. It's like you go do your 183 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,880 entrepreneurial stuff and just grind on it. 184 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,040 Yeah, yeah. That's awesome. 185 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,200 That's awesome, because that's kind of also unleashed another 186 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,880 aspect of your story about also freed you up so that you could 187 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,240 focus in on this new thing. Can you talk a little bit more 188 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,000 about that? Yeah, so I run or I Co founded a 189 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,760 board game called Hexa and it's it's basically a modern 190 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,400 alternative to chess where it takes 10 minutes to play and it 191 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,440 takes about two minutes to learn. 192 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,160 And which is why I think your daughter might do really well at 193 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,880 learning this game. Yeah. 194 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,080 Yeah, it's we started Hexa about 3 1/2 years ago. 195 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,120 Funny enough, like I've doing the ADHD thing where you have 196 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,000 like 3 different businesses. I had a huge a disc golf YouTube 197 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,840 channel. I had a chess YouTube channel. 198 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,720 But the common denominator was my business partner that I was 199 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,520 doing it with. So him and I were have been 200 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,560 professional disc golfers for the last. 201 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,600 We're not just we're not pros anymore because we just Adobe 202 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,280 voted most of our time to the business. 203 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,760 Yeah, but I'd been doing YouTube stuff with him and I was having 204 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,000 a meeting with him and then out of nowhere he goes. 205 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,800 I've been working on this board came for a year and a half, and 206 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,040 I was still in California. He's in Minnesota. 207 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,000 So it's like I basically started vibrating like and laughing so 208 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,720 hard because after he told me about it, I was like, OK, you, 209 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,040 you started a board game. Just get, let me, let me get 210 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,960 this straight because I, yeah, because I identified it and I 211 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,200 like aligned with it so strongly because that's why I like my 212 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,000 soul. I would say laughed about it 213 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,640 because it was like, yeah. So I looked and I go, we're not 214 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,000 doing any other businesses. This is the one we're going all 215 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,920 in on. And it's, I think it's hard to 216 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,200 do that as an 80s deers. Like I'm going all in on this 217 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,240 one thing. And it's because our brains have 218 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,440 ran every scenario of like where the business hasn't worked out 219 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,160 or like the grass is always greener somewhere else. 220 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,320 So it's like, OK, this missing mission is huge. 221 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,280 It's bigger than anything. And I think that's kind of 222 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,280 what's kept me on the just hyper focus on this one business is 223 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,680 because of the people we're going to help with the game or 224 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:51,560 like just that type of stuff. I think having a huge mission is 225 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:54,760 the most important thing as an ADHD or to anything like 226 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,160 financially this wise, any of this stuff is like if you have 227 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,680 a, if your mission's bigger than anything, it's gonna keep you 228 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:04,280 locked in. It's gonna keep the dopamine 229 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,480 rolling. It's also gonna like keep like 230 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,840 the for some reason, 80s years have like the justice like gene 231 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,320 where like if there's any injustice in the world, we like. 232 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,840 Yeah. So I took it personally and be 233 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,960 like, chess is kind of very judgmental and very 234 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,440 intellectually like judgmental. And we're like, let's make a 235 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,920 game, make this game more fun and approachable, but still get 236 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,520 to use your brain. Yeah, yeah, I think, yes, I hear 237 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,600 you on that, the judgement gene thing. 238 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,160 I think my my therapist said this to me recently and I it 239 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,920 just kind of blew my mind. And I think the way she said it 240 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,320 was maybe it's because you've been othered so much in your 241 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,640 life that it's like we are it's a lot easier to fight or 242 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,800 advocate for other people than it is for ourselves. 243 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,360 And I was like, man, that is just like mind blowing to me. 244 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,920 But I want to go like the game, the game. 245 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,200 So I think this is really cool. And like what you said to the 246 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,240 mission, like that will help you when things get tough, but it'll 247 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,200 also help you celebrate and know when those milestones have come 248 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,080 and stuff. And I think that's really, 249 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,080 really important, especially for ADHD. 250 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:16,120 Mines to, like you said, the dopamine we need that the state 251 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,960 being able to stay focused and so the the mission, it's more 252 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,640 than a board game. Like you said, it's absolutely 253 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,440 more than a board game. And I think one thing that's 254 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,480 really helpful for like our family too, it's for us like 255 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,600 debt free wasn't the wasn't the journey. 256 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,600 That was the goal, but that wasn't the the end prize. 257 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,760 It was because we we became debt free before my daughter was 258 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,280 born. And then it's allowed us to show 259 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,320 up differently for each other, but it's also allowed us to like 260 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,120 create memories. And I think that's the other 261 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,600 thing that's really cool too, about games in general, but this 262 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:52,840 game specifically because it it includes a lot of people that 263 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,320 might not necessarily feel encouraged to, like you said, 264 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,360 play chess or feel like, OK, I could do that. 265 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,320 Like my daughter's seven and you're like, this will be great 266 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,760 for her to learn. But then I could also be playing 267 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,360 with my 70 year old dad. Yeah, that's, that's perfect 268 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,240 because that's what we want. It's like we love the the saying 269 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,840 like it's perfect for a six year old, but you can teach it to 270 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,480 your 9 year old grandma and she'll yeah, kick your butt 271 00:13:15,560 --> 00:13:20,760 probably, yeah, but it's yeah, I think I've identified like a sub 272 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,480 like niche with the 8 HD years of why Hexo is a perfect game. 273 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,680 It's short, it's fast, but it's also, I don't know, you're not 274 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:29,680 being judged for using your intelligence. 275 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:32,920 It's you're kind of flexing it versus being judged for it with 276 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,440 Hexa, because with chess, you're absolutely being judged on like 277 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:40,800 I made this wrong move and it's like a whoa, there's this 278 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,120 correct 3-4 moves you could have made before it. 279 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,160 And you're right, kind of being judged on like procedurally how 280 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,240 you played the game versus like the game's only 10 minutes. 281 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,080 It's like, let's just run it back and basically play again 282 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,720 and then like make small changes and stuff. 283 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,320 And that's, that's a big thing too, is the emotional loop. 284 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,560 I've noticed with, with Hex chess has a really long 285 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:02,320 emotional loop. Like you basically get burnt 286 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:03,520 out. You're building up all this 287 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,080 emotional energy and then you release the energy and you 288 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,720 basically just feel like you went through the general rush, 289 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,480 like, but it takes 45 minutes with Hexa, it's short feedback 290 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:14,680 loops. And I think that's what's huge 291 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:18,040 for ADHD years too, is like, you want the instant, like you make 292 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,120 a decision. You instantly know, like if it 293 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,120 was like what changes you need to make in the future. 294 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,440 And it's and then because the games are 10 minutes, you 295 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,120 literally play. If you lose, who cares? 296 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,520 You stay with your loss for just like 2 minutes. 297 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,120 It's like, Oh, let's play again. And then you you're right back 298 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,240 into it. So that's another like fun side 299 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,680 effect that we've not side effect, but like benefit of 300 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,640 effects that I've found is it's teaching kids to actually sit 301 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,960 with losing and failure, but then actually quickly just try 302 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,880 again and keep going. I think that's for anybody, 303 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:53,560 honestly, because it's like some age, the aged years, we think 304 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,080 everything is just the end the world, everything's just 305 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,840 permanent. Yes, this is going to make or 306 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,640 break everything of my existence. 307 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,080 And it's like, no, you can. I think that's, that's the thing 308 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,040 too, that I'm realizing once I lost my job, it was like, huh, 309 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,480 I'm not going to die. Yeah. 310 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,480 Like things aren't going to happen to me right now. 311 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,440 Like I'm thinking of stuff that's going to happen to me 312 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,800 like in a year and a half if I don't have any like a job or a 313 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,360 business or. Yeah, absolutely we do, we do 314 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,320 kind of get in the the skies falling kind of mentality where 315 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,200 we're like this is this is the end. 316 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,160 And I I definitely, I definitely have found myself in in certain 317 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:33,640 moments like that. And it's like, OK, wait a 318 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,320 second. Because our brains are trying to 319 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:40,160 protect ourselves from whatever that is like could be coming. 320 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,240 And it's not always bad. And I think you started to hint 321 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,120 at that because even though losing, losing your job in the 322 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:54,200 moment was like this, this sucks, this sucks, but it has it 323 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,200 has opened up this whole other part of you that you hadn't been 324 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,480 able to go down because you had been occupied with, with your 325 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,440 work. Well, The funny thing is, like 326 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,680 I'm the CMO of of Hex, and everybody that works for Hex is 327 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,040 like, wow, dude, you're coming up with a lot of amazing ideas. 328 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,320 It's like, yes, because my brain can fully function and fully 329 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,040 focus on this one thing I'm truly passionate about, which 330 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,360 hyper focus is kind of an understatement for Hexa for me, 331 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,600 yeah. I think it's important that we 332 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,480 all do something that we're passionate about. 333 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,560 I mean, my hyper focus has been on budgeting and debt 334 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,040 elimination. So I. 335 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,600 How long is something considered a hyper focus till it's a 336 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,920 passion or like because finance is probably you're probably 337 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,120 passionate about it your whole life and it's just like now you 338 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,240 actually get to like pursue it, which is awesome. 339 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,440 Yeah, that's a really good question. 340 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,640 I wonder if there's like a clinical definition of that or 341 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:45,920 if it's just something we can just. 342 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,080 That's what I've been thinking about for so long because disc 343 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,320 golf started for me in 2019 and I'm still, I love it. 344 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,960 But I was just like, is this a passion or is this a hyper focus 345 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,800 and just kind of coming up with a distinction? 346 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,280 And I'm like, in my head, it's like if it lasted longer than a 347 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,480 year that I think it's actually something and something that I 348 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,119 do on a regular basis. I think it's something I 349 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,960 actually enjoy. Yeah, Yeah. 350 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,520 I don't know. That's a really good question. 351 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:09,960 I don't know if I've ever thought about that. 352 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,960 I'm 26 years in so maybe it's a passion. 353 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,319 You're also three decades, so it's like, I think make it to 354 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:21,000 say that you actually enjoy it. It's not like a movie you watch. 355 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,839 You end up research everything and then a week later you bought 356 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:26,599 all the merch from the movie and then now it's just sitting in 357 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:28,240 your basement. Yeah, yeah. 358 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:32,320 I mean, I've been maybe not movie merch, but I'm definitely 359 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,680 guilty of like, let's get all the things. 360 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,440 Now we have a, a new, a new framework. 361 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,960 I will say about when it comes to trying new things, borrow, 362 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,080 yeah, borrow, borrow the equipment first from someone 363 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,320 else to see if you're actually going to stick with it, you 364 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,800 know, like hobbies and stuff or just like, I mean, even the 365 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,040 podcast, I did not buy a prime time mic. 366 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,760 I was like, all right, we're going to go with this. 367 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,280 Well, you got the Yeti blue mic, which is yeah, earn something 368 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:00,800 bucks. So it's like you didn't get the 369 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,640 snowball, so you have a little bit of an upgrade, yeah. 370 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,160 Hey, it gets the job done and I like. 371 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,200 I like the it's a it's got I'm so I have an audio engineer by 372 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,360 trade like another thing I. Like not know that about you. 373 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,840 So what's cool about that mic is you can actually switch the 374 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,920 polarity pattern of how it picks up sound. 375 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,160 So the cardioid pattern is like this. 376 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,600 So it's gonna pick up anything that's like with in front of 377 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,560 you. So that's how just random 378 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,520 knowledge I have that I don't really use anymore. 379 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,520 Hey, you know what? Because you're gonna be starting 380 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,080 a podcast that's really valuable information because I have not 381 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,560 shared this publicly before, but I would say the first few months 382 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,560 of my podcast I was talking to the wrong side of the mic 383 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,240 because I didn't know what the those things were and I. 384 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,520 Was like, Oh my gosh. So I used to, I used to work in 385 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,440 corporate America where I'd like I'd created a program where 386 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,800 supporting house would record support or tutorials. 387 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,480 I would get so many people that would talk to the back of the 388 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,520 mic and have to explain to them like why the recording was 389 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,880 messed up. They had no idea of like fixing 390 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,560 it. So I I feel that. 391 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,000 Yeah, I was like, well, it's a good thing I'm better at, you 392 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,880 know, personal finance than I am at that part. 393 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,640 Obviously I learned my lesson. But I think that's another thing 394 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,400 too about all this is we're not gonna be perfect starting out 395 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,280 anything new. And we just, we had to stumble 396 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,400 and fall and learn, just like you're gonna be teaching a kiddo 397 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,160 to walk at some point soon. And it just happens. 398 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,280 We just get up and we have to keep moving forward and having 399 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,720 the right people in our corner to support us and guide us and 400 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,320 encourage us. And that's one of the things 401 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,200 that I, I appreciate most about you, Mitchell, and just being 402 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,120 able to connect on threads was that you're just always a 403 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:44,640 champion for other people and want to see other people 404 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,560 succeed. And that's been, that's been 405 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,240 really cool to be a part of that journey with you. 406 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,200 I appreciate that because that thing that like I've talked to a 407 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,720 bunch of like people that are selling digital products and 408 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,000 stuff, their thing was is like, dude, you need to change how 409 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,240 you're talking on threads to find your buyers. 410 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,440 And I'm like, I did that for like a week and I was like, I 411 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:01,680 can't do this. This isn't me. 412 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,360 This isn't who I am. Like I love supporting other 413 00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:06,440 people, encouraging them, being a cheer. 414 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,200 Leader And it's like, yeah, because it's like, I don't care. 415 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,240 Like it's not worth sacrificing who I am to sell a product. 416 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,240 And it's like I'm playing the long, long game of building like 417 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,480 people that are just supporting people and by default they might 418 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,520 feel obligated to support me back. 419 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,400 I mean, it made me want to go, wait, what are you? 420 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,880 What are you doing? Tell me more. 421 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,960 I want to know more, you know? And then with the game, with 422 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,680 Hexa, I was like. Perfect. 423 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,600 So we have a big saying of hexes. 424 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,920 This is Steve Jobs scope. Don't let perfect get and get 425 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,520 and what is it? I gotta think of it. 426 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,800 It's don't let perfect get in the way of great. 427 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,880 So if something's, I think 80% as good as you could do it, 428 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:45,400 release it, put it out in the world because that 20% is the 429 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,480 only the 20%. You're only gonna know about 430 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,240 that 20%. And it's just like, it's not 431 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,600 gonna make the difference, honestly. 432 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,760 Yeah, C's get degrees. C's become entrepreneurs. 433 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,680 I think it's the what I'm finding from watching Instagram 434 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,960 and stuff. I have been AB plus student my 435 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,800 entire life. Like I have tried so hard. 436 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,360 A minus, like I'll get them here and there, but B plus average 437 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:06,800 all the time. So I was like, all right, I'm 438 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,240 just gonna turn this into B positive. 439 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,240 B pluses are great. It's still you're what, 88 440 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,440 percent, 85%? It's like that range. 441 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,320 Like that's the range that I I think I was more of AC student 442 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,120 just because I couldn't pay attention in class. 443 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:22,000 I mean, I've read so many history books that I remember 444 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,600 nothing from. I am notorious for reading 445 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,440 something and then getting lost in a thought and having to come 446 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,560 back and go. I just read an entire page, but 447 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,760 I don't know. What it says, I hate to break a 448 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,000 team, but it's every ADHD year, honestly. 449 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,400 So I realized this that I did that and I just started 450 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,640 listening to audiobooks and I was like, yeah, this works way 451 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,680 better because maybe something auditorily my brain kind of 452 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,880 connects thoughts better than like just reading the first line 453 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,240 and then getting stuck in the first line and then going down 454 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,640 the rabbit hole of like, especially history be like, 455 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,200 wonder what times we're like. Then I wonder what shoes they 456 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,640 wore back then. I wonder, right? 457 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,840 It's. Just all that stuff that your 458 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,000 brain goes to. Yes, yes. 459 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:03,280 And then I mean, I think if you have any interest in it too, 460 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,040 then it becomes like it becomes a little bit easier. 461 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,280 But that's one thing I've learned about myself is I'm 462 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,160 like, all right, if I'm, if I'm not into it, it doesn't matter 463 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,720 how much time, energy, like focus, I can force myself. 464 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,360 It's not gonna happen. And so that's why I try super 465 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:20,400 hard, especially, like, with this show and like the things 466 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,520 that I teach them, like, let's make them small and not boring 467 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,920 because our brains will tune out. 468 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,040 Yeah. So I was about to ask about 469 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,640 being financially organized. It's help you pursue your dream. 470 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,360 How being financially like together has helped me pursue my 471 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:36,920 dreams. Yeah. 472 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:40,240 I think the biggest thing is like looking at her finances and 473 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,120 being like, if you wanted to be a stay home dad, you could if 474 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:45,120 you want to do that. It's just my wife giving me the 475 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:48,560 option to like take the time now to actually go pursue what I've 476 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,120 wanted to for the last like 10 years or at least try. 477 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,880 Yeah, because she's looking at it. 478 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,840 She's like, I'm bringing in this much money. 479 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,680 Like she's the, she's the very like build a budget type person. 480 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,000 And I'm very head in the clouds. So I think I married the right 481 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,560 person because she's made me better financially just because 482 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,360 she'll make lists and stuff and like she's very like type a 483 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:14,080 analytical and logical. I'm very like head in the 484 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,360 clouds, let's go do this. But she's got some of that too. 485 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:20,320 But it's good to she's, it's good to have somebody that keeps 486 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,720 me grounded and really like we'll say we can actually do 487 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,600 this versus like keep talking about doing it, but no, we can 488 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,400 actually do this. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 489 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,040 Being on the same page, head in the same direction together. 490 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,760 Yeah, it's like the Ying and Yang, but it's and it all comes 491 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,760 down to what you're goal is as a family too. 492 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:43,120 It's like I had AI came up with a really funny analogy about how 493 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,760 from a business perspective, the family is the business, the wife 494 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,880 is the owner ownership, the husband is the CEO, like the 495 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,960 day-to-day operations. Like I wrote a really long 496 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,680 thought about it. It was just like, this is 497 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,520 hilarious because I've been reading business books for so 498 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,160 long. And then it I made, I made that 499 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,320 connection where it's like I sent it to my wife and she goes, 500 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,240 I don't understand this, but I'm like, no, this is this is the 501 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,440 greatest business you can have is your family. 502 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:14,120 Yeah, yeah, I feel like for for our family, like, yeah, this is 503 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,760 this is the number one, this is our first ministry. 504 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,480 This is this is the core of who we are. 505 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,280 And then everything else after that falls into place. 506 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,160 But having those priorities. And like you're talking about 507 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,640 staying focused on one thing. Like for us to create the 508 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,360 opportunities to make memories together, to have time together 509 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:34,440 to build relationships with each other. 510 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,160 And then after that build relationships and create 511 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,960 memories and do things with others outside of our home. 512 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,440 But I think that has been really helpful is to get crystal clear 513 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,880 on that part, because then decision making, especially with 514 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,200 ADHD, decision making becomes a little bit easier after that 515 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,760 because it's already decided and you just run it through that, 516 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,320 run it through that test. Does it? 517 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,400 And that's, that's important too with business too. 518 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,000 And like having your values, your principles and your mission 519 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,520 statement, because it's like, if the stuff that you're doing 520 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,440 doesn't align with any of that, then you don't want it. 521 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,440 Then there's no business doing it. 522 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,080 Because it's like, because when if you get there and you have 523 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,200 success with the stuff that you're doing that doesn't align 524 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,640 with who you actually are, you're going to be vastly 525 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,800 unhappy in like the future. Yeah, That's why like running it 526 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,760 through that lens is basically like it can be as simple as what 527 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,840 friends your kids have or like any of that stuff. 528 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,400 It's like if like for example, if you like going to church, do 529 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,280 your, do you want to hang out with other people that go to 530 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,680 church? It's just kind of it's, it's 531 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,480 kind of like that. It's because I think to getting 532 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,960 around other people that have the same values as you is so 533 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,520 important because you can lean on each other and you can talk 534 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,800 about your experiences and they're not going to judge you. 535 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,600 They'll actually increase your experiences and stuff because 536 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,280 it's like, yeah, I went through this and it's like now my wife 537 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,280 and I are stronger than ever. And then it just helps people 538 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,640 relate to you a little bit easier. 539 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,560 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think in that for for my 540 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,200 husband and I like in our you know, journey to debt freedom 541 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,000 like that was a really important part for us is to like be this 542 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,640 unified front and together and keep keep the eye on the prize. 543 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,640 That's saying that we just kept using with each other. 544 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,480 Eye on the prize. I feel that so much because like 545 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,680 going through being a spouse or something in PA school is that 546 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,680 keep your eye on the prize. It's literally like got me 547 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,520 through so many times. It's like my brother actually 548 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:27,720 just went through the same thing I did. 549 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,160 So it's like him and I can bond on that. 550 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,880 But it's just like anyone that works a job they don't like or 551 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,000 they're just doing something that they don't like. 552 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,160 And it's like, keep your eyes on the prize because at the end of 553 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,440 the light of the tunnel is gonna be so rewarding and so, so 554 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,720 amazing. Yeah, yeah, I'd love to. 555 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,640 I'd love to know, is there, especially through that whole 556 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,160 process when your wife was in school, was there a financial 557 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,680 habit that you guys put into place that helped help you get 558 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,960 to where you are now and be able to to be financially set up for 559 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,200 this, this next stage of your life together? 560 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:04,840 I think biggest thing was like before PA school because she had 561 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,960 thought about going to PA school for so long, but the financial 562 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,840 stuff didn't line up. And then through the military, 563 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,200 like we found out the military could pay for schooling. 564 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,240 So we're like, all right, let's go do this. 565 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,000 Like she literally got in and then we literally sold her house 566 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,560 and was like, OK, we're doing this. 567 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,280 So it's I think the biggest thing is just making sure things 568 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,880 are doable and they're actually like easy to understand and, and 569 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,200 like trying to think what else. I think biggest thing too is 570 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,360 looking at your finances every single day because then you know 571 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,560 where you are from a day-to-day perspective. 572 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,640 And like, because what would happen is like we'd have to pay 573 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,520 for rent and like California rent was like 3600 bucks and it 574 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,560 was just like, OK, I only making like 5 grand. 575 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,400 So it's like she's going to PA school. 576 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,880 So it's kind of figuring out. I think the hardest thing 577 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,840 usually is like first month when you when a big financial change 578 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,760 happens, like you move somewhere or something and figuring out 579 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,480 you at that point you have no idea how much you're going to 580 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,360 spend a month. So it's kind of looking at your 581 00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:05,440 finances post mortem in the second month and being like, OK, 582 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,800 how much realistically without all the moving costs, all the 583 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,760 big kind of changes, like thing we didn't realize is like buying 584 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,800 condiments for your your house that you usually have. 585 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,240 Like that stuff adds up and it's just like, all right, 586 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,120 realistically, how much is our second month gonna cost us? 587 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,320 Like what do we need to budget? Like do we need a meal prep? 588 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,640 Like kind of do all the cost saving stuff to kind of figure 589 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,520 out where before you stabilize financially every. 590 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,280 Month, Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. 591 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,000 I always, I always encourage people if they're gonna 592 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,480 especially make a big, you know, financial life, life transition 593 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,080 or life choice, especially if it's one that they have control 594 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,320 over, is to make a kind of like a faux budget, like what is 595 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,000 your, what's this budget going to look like if you make this 596 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,800 decision? Oh man, my what that's another 597 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,080 thing that we did too is like, but what I would recommend to 598 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,920 people is over budget like so we were doing something like when 599 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,720 we bought our next house, we built their houses. 600 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,000 We did like overall budget of like this is how much utility 601 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,320 it's going to cost. This is everything and it's like 602 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,360 don't round down, round up because I think that's the 603 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,600 biggest mistake is like, oh, it's only gonna cost is this and 604 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,320 it's like, no, I'll just round up for wiggle room because 605 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,040 something is going to come up where like you're not going to 606 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,800 get quoted for insurance and it's gonna be more than you 607 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,800 expected or your house bill is gonna be more expensive. 608 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,200 Like there's intro like. I feel like it's like the 609 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,640 ultimate DIY project. You know how if you ever try to 610 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,600 like go on like Home Depot or something and they're like, oh, 611 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,840 how much, you know, here's the square footage. 612 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,320 And then they're like, do you want to include the overage in 613 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,640 there? You know, because you can only 614 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,520 measure one or measure twice cut once, you know, And so it's 615 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,560 like, all right, and I really, something goes wrong and you 616 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,600 need more 2 by fours. It's kind of the same, same 617 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,560 philosophy. And like, that's, that's a 618 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,440 really good point. I love that you talked about the 619 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,160 condiments because that's such a random thing, but the first? 620 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,920 Time you fill your fridge up in your pants. 621 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,160 You're like, there's stuff in there that I like. 622 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,160 We got cans of soup that you don't think about because 623 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,720 they're always in there. Yeah. 624 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,520 Like your salt and pepper, all your, like, salt shakers and 625 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,000 stuff. And it's like, that stuff costs 626 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,200 money. And then just filling your 627 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,840 fridge up for the first time is the most underestimated thing. 628 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,880 I think when people will either like move, Yeah, I'm not going 629 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,240 to take. Such a valid point. 630 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,440 Bottle with me and any of that stuff, it's it just doesn't make 631 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,240 sense. I moved out of my parents house 632 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,720 so I'd moved into our current house and we've been here 20 633 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,800 years so I'm like I don't like moving and now it because I 634 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:31,920 don't want to fill my fridge again. 635 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,680 My wife says that the next time she moves is the next worst day 636 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,600 of her life. Yeah, I mean, I mean, moving, 637 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,480 moving can be a joyful experience. 638 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,880 But like, it gets, it does. You're right, it gets expensive 639 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,400 and like weird stuff comes up. I think the condiment thing that 640 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,800 that's gonna make me chuckle for a few days. 641 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,280 Because it's like and especially having HD, you buy like 3 642 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,280 ketchup bottles because you didn't know you had one in your 643 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,680 fridge. Oh my gosh, if you knew how much 644 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,640 mustard we have in our our house it would be embarrassing. 645 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,400 Like Oh my gosh, we have way more mustard than one family 646 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,600 should have. But that's the fun part of HD. 647 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,040 Sometimes it's like this, the dumb stuff that your brain does 648 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,400 and you just like, I think, I think that's the thing I've 649 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,840 learned is just like my brain's funny sometimes. 650 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,960 And it's like you either laugh at her, you just shame yourself 651 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,120 and then it just so it becomes unhealthy. 652 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:29,000 Yeah, I mean, yeah, absolutely. I feel like for myself, I, I did 653 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,040 at first I was like, Oh my gosh, you know, I went through that 654 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,720 whole process of like mourning who I could have been and that 655 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,520 kind of stuff. And now I'm like, no, this is 656 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,720 just fun. I'm I enjoy being around myself 657 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,000 now even more than I did before, because now I feel like there's 658 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,600 a reason why I am. People used to call me quirky. 659 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,480 I was like, I didn't know if I was a compliment or not. 660 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,760 But now I'm like, no, I'm not boring. 661 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,880 I'm fun to be around and you know, yes I do. 662 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,600 I do weird things like leave an empty toilet paper roll out so I 663 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,280 don't forget to refill the toilet paper. 664 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,640 My wife hates when I like, she doesn't understand. 665 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,240 She's like, why do you leave the milk jug in the fridge when 666 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,680 there's this much milk? It's like, or why do you leave 667 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,840 like the cereal box? And there's like this much like, 668 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,000 no, there's not even a crumb for a mouse to eat. 669 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,400 And like, so next time. But The funny thing is, is like, 670 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,760 you're gonna come back and you like look at the milk and you 671 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,000 put it back in the fridge. Then you forget about it and 672 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,840 it's like, it's a vicious cycle. Well, I'm definitely an out of 673 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,280 sight, out of mind kind of person. 674 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,760 So like even my budget has like more categories than probably 675 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,800 most people because if I don't have it on there, I'll forget 676 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,680 for that one time a year or whatever. 677 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,520 So I leave a lot of stuff on there. 678 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,680 But you know, some people, if that's overwhelming for them, 679 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,520 I'm like, OK, take that off. Like let's consolidate those. 680 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,960 But it's kind of figuring out what works for you, right? 681 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,760 What's your what's your type of your type of ADHD then and 682 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,200 figure out what works for you and. 683 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,200 Let's just build stuff like don't be ashamed of how your 684 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,040 brain works, just work within the reality that you have like. 685 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,280 Yeah. For me, I need to start making 686 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,320 lists about doing chores and stuff because then it's like 687 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,320 I'll remember to do it or I'll remember something or set alarms 688 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,720 or it's just like do whatever works for your brain and don't 689 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,440 be ashamed that your brain works that way. 690 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,240 Because the alternative is is you hate how your brain works 691 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,600 and the chores don't get done at the same time. 692 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,720 You might as well either have a good attitude about your brain 693 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,560 and not get the chores done and then eventually get the chores 694 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,480 done, or you can sit and spiral. Yeah, and the spiral. 695 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,360 It could be a really ugly place to be. 696 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,680 I will open my dishwasher now so in case like I'll hit my shin on 697 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,280 it so if I walk past it then I'll end up emptying it. 698 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,520 I think for me like actually realizing how long something 699 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,240 actually take takes actually has helped me so much. 700 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,480 Like like the dishwasher, like oh, it only takes 5 minutes, I 701 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,480 can do 5 minutes. Yes, man, time blindness. 702 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,760 That's my nemesis. Timeline is sucks and object 703 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,480 permanence is a big thing for me too. 704 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,800 Like out of sight, out of mind. Like if. 705 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,560 Yeah, I remember hearing that saying a lot growing up. 706 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,320 And I was like, I don't understand. 707 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,840 Like, isn't that how everyone is? 708 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,160 And now, now with my diagnosis and like, learning that that was 709 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,320 part of how my brain operated, I was like, well, yeah, of course. 710 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,480 Like that's why I leave the toilet paper roll out. 711 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,680 I will forget. And that whole saying? 712 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,239 My wife if it's important. You'll. 713 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,480 Remember all so it'll, it'll, but I go, no, I need to leave it 714 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,920 out because it's like, do you want me to refill it or not? 715 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,840 It's yes, man, but thankfully she's not like she's not like 716 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,480 everything has to be spotless. It's like just tidy it up. 717 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,560 I just I don't. I just wanted to look a little 718 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,960 organized. Yes. 719 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,639 I'm thankful for that. Yeah, that's good. 720 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,159 That's so good that you have someone that's encouraging and 721 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:36,120 supporting of you and your ADHD, because I think that's really 722 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:36,960 important. We all. 723 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,120 I mean, it doesn't, it comes, it doesn't come with it does come 724 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,880 with some like she's my wife is very to the point, very like, 725 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,800 not blunt, but very direct. Like just make a list and figure 726 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,199 it out. Like OK, I'll figure it out. 727 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,800 Yeah. And it's not like, it's not like 728 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,320 she's like saying it's a bad thing. 729 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,720 It's more like, here, do you need help figuring it out? 730 00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,640 Or like, here, just make a list. This is what works for me. 731 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,560 Like, yeah, like I had her. I think it's funny. 732 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,160 Like for me, I've had her show me how to clean, how she cleans 733 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,640 and stuff. And that's the biggest thing 734 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,160 because then you get the whole procedural thing of where to 735 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,120 start. Because starting is, I think, 736 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,320 the hardest thing for anyone. They just like there's all this 737 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,400 laundry, like where do I start? So I've actually come up with 738 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,640 the quirky systems and frameworks for me. 739 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,200 So with vacuuming, I'll turn all the lights off in the house and 740 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,440 my vacuum has a light on it. So then I won't get over 741 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,960 stimulated at all. All I have to do is vacuum the 742 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,120 crumbs up there in the light shade, like the actual light 743 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,160 beam. Interesting. 744 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,440 It's like a game. So I'm literally, I've always 745 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,800 heard of like gamifying chores, but it's like I always thought 746 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,800 like, I don't need that. And then I gamified it. 747 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,600 I'm like, this is fun. I got the whole kitchen vacuum. 748 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,440 Cool the carpet lines, too. Yeah. 749 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,760 Try to get the carpet lines just right. 750 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,160 Man, like do stuff for laundry too. 751 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,200 Like I'll get a huge bin and it's like I don't put pressure 752 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,320 on myself to fold all the clothes and put everything away. 753 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,720 It's like just get as far as you can, then go do another chore 754 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:06,080 for 15 minutes and come back and just keep working at it. 755 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,600 So it's like, I mean, everything is a work in progress at that 756 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,800 point, but things do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 757 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,000 I love it. So as we as we wrap up today, I 758 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,360 have two more, two more questions for you. 1 is what 759 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,840 encouragement do you have for someone that is dealing with 760 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,960 ADHD right now that kind of feels maybe stuck on the 761 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,760 financial side or on the professional side. 762 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,800 What would be your encouragement to because you are like the 763 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,000 ultimate encourager? I feel like right now like I'm 764 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,960 just such a fan and it's been, you've been very encouraging to 765 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,680 me. But anybody that's listening 766 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,640 that just kind of feels stuck. Maybe they have a dream that 767 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,160 they're not able to take action on. 768 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,560 What would your encouragement be for them? 769 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:44,680 I. Think the biggest thing is just 770 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:47,800 giving yourself grace that you'll figure it out because I 771 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,400 think half the time we're so hard on ourselves to basically 772 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,600 like we have to figure out now it has to be now. 773 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,160 And it's like give yourself the space and grace to really like 774 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,320 yourself the room to try and just keep working at a little by 775 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,000 little. Because I think what happens is 776 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,800 a lot of us, we hit one set back and be like, OK, the world's 777 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,160 collapsing and stuff. It's like, no, it's just dust 778 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,320 yourself off, keep going. Like it's gonna happen. 779 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,880 If you just keep doing it and focusing on it consistently, 780 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,560 it's gonna happen eventually. It's not a matter of how. 781 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,160 It's a matter of when it's gonna happen. 782 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,040 Yeah, Like, you know, the thing I've heard I've learned too is 783 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,320 you're like when changes happen and stuff and like things that 784 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,320 don't go your way, you're allowed to take the time to 785 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,240 settle into the new version of you and actually like settle 786 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:36,120 into life. Like because we think because 787 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,920 we've ran every scenario in our head of like what this new me is 788 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,920 going to look like. And it's like, it's usually not 789 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,280 what you're envisioning. So it's like you don't have to 790 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,080 figure it out right now. Like I like I ran into this 791 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,080 whole scenario when I moved back in California to transition back 792 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,280 into living where I grew up and stuff was like, I always had 793 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,280 this like expectation. I needed to figure it out. 794 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,480 I like wanted it to be like what it was before I left. 795 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,360 It's like, no. So I actually got to the point 796 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,080 where I went back on ADHD meds because I was just like 797 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,840 spiraling so much and in my head. 798 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,080 And it's like, so that's the thing too. 799 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,920 Like if you need to go on meds again just to get you through a 800 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,200 tough period in time, you don't always have to be on meds, but 801 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,200 medication works for some people. 802 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,680 And I'm kind of the off and on like hybrid or sometimes they 803 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,160 need it, sometimes they don't. But it's like it's just kind of 804 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,680 a tune up that you need to like do to get you through this 805 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:24,800 period of life. Honestly. 806 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,400 Yeah, just stick with it. Get around other people that 807 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,360 honestly support your vision more than you do and believe in 808 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,600 your vision more than you do. And that's what my wife does. 809 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,560 I believe in like it makes things. 810 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,840 Don't be afraid to cut out people that are making you feel 811 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,760 bad about yourself. That that's biggest one I've had 812 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,600 to learn too is like maybe we spiral and marry. 813 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,880 We shame ourselves more because there's a person in our life 814 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,560 that makes us feel bad for having the HD or how we operate. 815 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,640 It's like business is hard, life is hard. 816 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,440 I don't need these people around me to really make me feel bad 817 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,840 because I like who I am. That's so good. 818 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,080 That's so good. I love what you said about 819 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,200 giving your time. You're giving yourself time to 820 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,120 settle in, to like that next version of yourself because it 821 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,200 does take time. And we're a different person 822 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,240 every time we hear something and we just have to take that in and 823 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,960 let it let it marinate, let it let it sit there. 824 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,120 I think that is so, so profound. That's a really. 825 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,040 Really quite a marriage too. I think that's why is the 826 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,080 marriage as well because like when you and your spouse got 827 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,400 married, you're not the same people. 828 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,600 You're literally this different person every week because you go 829 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,640 through experiences. But like it's actively choosing 830 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,480 to be together rather than having to stay together is what 831 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,880 I've learned is my wife wants me around. 832 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,600 She doesn't need me around. She probably does now, but I 833 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,080 mean like actively choosing each other is what I'm. 834 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,360 Getting yes, yeah. I think you can also apply that 835 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,480 to your finances because if you're trying to use the same 836 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,040 budget you used back when she first started Pennsylvania 837 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,560 school, totally different life, right? 838 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,560 So the one thing I've heard that I've always stuck with me about 839 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,760 finances. Yeah, your finances are 840 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,480 basically a huge scoreboard of what your priorities are. 841 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:02,120 Like yes. And I think that's why we get, 842 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,160 we guilt ourselves or shame ourselves about finances because 843 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,640 you look back and you're like, oh man, I could have like 844 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,840 invested this. It's, it's the, it's the regret, 845 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,080 I think. Yeah, absolutely, Absolutely. 846 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,040 I should be able to look at your finances and know what's 847 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,920 important to you in this moment in time. 848 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,520 Your finances in your calendar to the two biggest tells of what 849 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,000 you actually are prioritizing. Yeah, that's so good, Mitchell. 850 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000 Oh my gosh. I feel like you and I could talk 851 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,040 for hours because this is this is this is some really good 852 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,840 stuff. We're at 49 minutes. 853 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,320 You want to make this an hour? I do have to go pick up my kiddo 854 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,600 from school here pretty soon. I got a couple things to do 855 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,320 before. Don't do the ADHD thing and say 856 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,520 you'll do it in a minute and then forget her so I will let 857 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,320 you go. I mean, I have timers 858 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,800 everywhere. I have like, you know, funny. 859 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,960 Things are. So my business partner's wife is 860 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,760 a therapist. Yeah. 861 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,880 So what's funny is, is like, she's my business partner. 862 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,360 I didn't realize he he had suspected that he had ADHD. 863 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,960 But then she goes, no, you definitely have ADHD because you 864 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,440 would have to have an alarm for every little thing. 865 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,600 So it's like, so him and I have been bonding over ADHD things, 866 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,200 which has been really fun. Yeah. 867 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,800 Well, it's nice to know like when you realize the things that 868 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,480 you've been using to like, you know, navigate life that other 869 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,400 people do them and you're like, OK, this isn't, this isn't weird 870 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,880 or like embarrassing. It's just it's a thing that we 871 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,960 do. I tie my shoes differently than 872 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,040 everyone else I know. Whatever. 873 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,400 We're all basically just living on this loading rock. 874 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,080 So it doesn't matter, honestly, it really doesn't matter. 875 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,760 It's just we, it's so we think things are so concrete and 876 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,680 perfect because I think, I think we've just been misunderstood 877 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,080 for so long that we just think there's a right way to do 878 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,080 everything, but there isn't. And it's literally like just if 879 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,480 your brain does, if you just like, for example, you tie your 880 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,080 shoes different than somebody else, all that matters is did 881 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,800 your shoes get tied? Yeah, I'm not going to trip. 882 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,680 Exactly. It's like it's literally about 883 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,560 the outcome. It's like, did you trip? 884 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,160 Did you tie your shoes? Yes. 885 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,160 No. So it's like yeah, that's really 886 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,240 all that matters. And that's a thing too. 887 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:07,480 It's like a lot of the times nobody really cares about the 888 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,440 like effort it took. It's all about the final result. 889 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,680 So like if you're just trudging through like the process, but 890 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,560 the final result is amazing. That's literally what people 891 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,800 care about is what they see instead of like. 892 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,520 That's why it's important to also show people like what your 893 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,880 process is and like you building stuff and like because, because 894 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,000 that's the stuff that nobody sees. 895 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,880 Because we're always, it's the day-to-day things of like, yeah, 896 00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:31,520 you're almost undervaluing your experience because you're the 897 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,160 one going through it. Yeah, yeah. 898 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,600 And you're undervaluing. I think I realized that today 899 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,400 too is I undervalue some of the skills that are super easy for 900 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,640 me. Yeah, I know. 901 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:42,240 That's one of the biggest things I think I realized is like, Oh 902 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:45,640 my gosh, I am taken for granted that I have this personal 903 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,480 finance system that works really well for me. 904 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,440 And then I'm like, I can't keep this a secret because once I got 905 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,200 diagnosed and then realized how how challenging, you know, just 906 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,200 the day-to-day money management is for ADH years. 907 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,280 I was like, I need to share this with more people because I don't 908 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,680 want them to continue to silently struggle like I did, 909 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,920 even though I was taught how to do all the things degree in 910 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,360 economics, all the stuff. And then when you apply it to 911 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,200 real life, it's like, OK, this is this is different than. 912 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,240 Knowing all the the, the the art is really especially for AHD, 913 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:23,280 like I need to do some weird things to literally get myself 914 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,480 to remember stuff like, but like threads comes really easy to me 915 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,160 because I've just been, I've always realized I like writing, 916 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:32,520 but I actually built my own system to like be consistent and 917 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,400 stuff. But what I've found is when I 918 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,880 started building the system, creating the system, I realized 919 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,680 like the outcome was different than I would I expected like 920 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,560 every all this ADHD is like, oh, if I'm consistent, I'm going to 921 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,800 grow and stuff. And it's like, no, the actual 922 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,520 what happens when you're consistent is you actually find 923 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,640 your voice, you get confident who you are and you actually 924 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,320 like talking about your story and you actually there's value 925 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,160 in you talking about your story. And that's, yeah, that's what I 926 00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,520 found. And that's why I encourage 927 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,840 people on threads is like, keep putting yourself out there, keep 928 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,200 listening to yourself talk. Yeah. 929 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:07,360 Telling you what your experience and then you'll start to 930 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,920 actually be comfortable with who you are and actually not devalue 931 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,040 who you are and what your experiences you've gone through 932 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,280 because they'll help other people. 933 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,800 And that's why I'm such a cheerleader for people and 934 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,760 social media, cuz you have the right to exist. 935 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,560 You don't have to earn your right to exist. 936 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,080 You don't have to output your way to existence. 937 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,920 That's what I've struggle with is like, if I'm not performing, 938 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,080 why do like, what value do I have? 939 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,520 And it's like no brain, you're being dumb. 940 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,680 Like just existing is helping people. 941 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,520 And it's like that's, that's huge. 942 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,160 Yeah, exactly. Share your story, find other 943 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,600 people, anybody that'll listen. I think that's that's really 944 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,440 that's really good. Did I send you my system? 945 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,480 Cuz I've been I just give it all for free just cuz I like I think 946 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,400 it helps 80 years so much but it's like I could probably make 947 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,880 money off of it. Yeah, I don't know if you have. 948 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,160 I will send it to you after because it's OK. 949 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,800 Oh, it'll, that's why I've hit. Give me one second. 950 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,720 Let me I've literally hit I think almost 200 days 951 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:12,720 consistently on threads. Dang, well I'm definitely not 952 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:15,040 that many days in, but yeah, I. Don't. 953 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,680 Yeah, I'm like, I'm literally. I do. 954 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:19,680 I do post on the weekends sometimes just because it is 955 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,880 kind of fun to get. I'm on 139 in a row but I post 956 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:29,000 like 8 to 9 times a day now. Wow, I know you're always one of 957 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,560 the top ones whenever I open up my app so. 958 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,320 I love that though because it's like. 959 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,720 This is I think I'm just a fan. I love I love your stuff. 960 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:39,800 And I think also I'll make sure to link that in the show notes 961 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,680 too, so that people can follow you on threads because I think. 962 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,520 We're actually launching the app version of our game soon. 963 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,920 Oh yes, send me more info about that because I'd love to share. 964 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,920 That we're doing. We're in the beta process right 965 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,320 now. We've kind of hit a little 966 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,640 bottleneck with like Apple letting us list our game on the 967 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,640 on the App Store. Once that goes through, then the 968 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,800 beta will go live. So we need people to offer 969 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,480 feedback to make our game better. 970 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:06,120 But then after the beta, we'll launch the game officially, 971 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,240 which will be really sweet. Cool, is it gonna be available 972 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,800 on Android? Yep, I have an Android phone so 973 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,360 I made sure it's gonna be available on both. 974 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,200 OK cool. I had a nightmare trying to get 975 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,920 my podcast listed on Apple Podcasts for a very long time 976 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,080 because I don't have. To I'm gonna have to. 977 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,480 So that's one thing. I've been doing music for so 978 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,720 long. I know how to distribute my 979 00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,240 music, but the podcast side of things is I will need to figure 980 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:32,000 out how to do that. Well, ask me all Yeah, if you 981 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,360 get stuck, let me know. I learned child by fire, child 982 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,720 by fire. All right, so before we go, I 983 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:41,200 have one more question for you. I love it. 984 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,720 And this is this is a very important one, especially for 985 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:46,360 you personally. But we like to end the episodes 986 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:52,240 with our guests with a dad joke. So as a soon to be dad, the bar 987 00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:53,480 is kind of high for you. I'm. 988 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,680 Just man, my wife has got very dark humor. 989 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,400 My father has very dark humor. And my father-in-law tells me 990 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,400 this dad joke all the time. He goes I want to die peacefully 991 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,400 in my sleep like my grandfather did. 992 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,440 Not screaming the tear like the passengers in his car. 993 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,080 Oh, my. OK. 994 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,400 His dad didn't die. It's funny. 995 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,400 Like it's just a funny saying of him going like, yeah, he's just 996 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,760 he's just he's one of my best friends. 997 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,160 So it's just funny. The stuff that he comes up with 998 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,200 her has kind of passed on to me. Yeah, yeah. 999 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,320 Hey, there you go. You've got and you're gonna be 1000 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,320 able to collect your own book of dad jokes as you become a dad 1001 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,120 soon. Can I give another dad joke cuz 1002 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,520 he this is Have you ever had yes two first so. 1003 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,400 A bonus, we've had mom jokes which are really fun because 1004 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,400 they are like really bad. Actually. 1005 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,080 We're terrible at telling jokes. I would. 1006 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,360 Expect No, it's because you're too busy. 1007 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,920 Yeah, like taking care of all the kids and stuff. 1008 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,320 You don't have time. Come up jokes. 1009 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,760 Like I feel like mom jokes are roasting husbands. 1010 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,320 I think that's I think that's probably what mom jokes are. 1011 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,000 My mom, my my wife is going to roast me so hard sometimes. 1012 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,160 Yeah. So he always him and I always 1013 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,040 think about buying like property and land. 1014 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,240 He goes, you know what they say about land and they go what? 1015 00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:07,440 He goes stop making it. Long ago I was like, it's 1016 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,120 terrible. It's terrible, man. 1017 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,240 That's a dad thing to say right there. 1018 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,040 That is actually a dad thing to say. 1019 00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:18,040 It's super funny, but it doesn't like, I don't know, He's, he's a 1020 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,040 goofball I love. It I love it. 1021 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,160 Well, Mitchell, thank you so much for being on the show. 1022 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,960 I'm going to make sure to link the ways to get a hold of you 1023 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,840 and to check out Hexa because that sounds like an amazing 1024 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,560 opportunity for my audience to get plugged into something cool 1025 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,480 to build some memories with their family. 1026 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,600 So I appreciate be on the show. They're looking for an art 1027 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,280 project. We have a free print and play 1028 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,840 version, So if she wanted to like color it and stuff and cut 1029 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,720 it out together and it's a good way and it's a good way for 1030 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:44,960 families to try. I built it just because I like 1031 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,440 wanted a nice freeway for people to play Hexa without having to 1032 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,160 just kind of a nice little intro to Hexa so. 1033 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,800 Cool. All right, well, we'll make sure 1034 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,120 to get that link in there for you. 1035 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:55,760 That was wonderful to appreciate you. 1036 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,280 We're finally talking to you like this. 1037 00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,520 I think we're gonna have more fun on threads now because we've 1038 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,640 actually sat down for an hour and had a conversation. 1039 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,080 But it'll be fun. Thank you for tuning in to the 1040 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,000 Debt Rebel show today. Ready to take your family 1041 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,000 budgeting to the next level? 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