1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,160 Welcome back to two real witches. 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,920 Hello, and blessed be I'm Oak and I'm Danny. 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,440 And we're just a couple practicing wishes seeking 4 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,680 initiation into a Gardenarian tradition of work. 5 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,120 Every Full Moon and New Moon, we're discussing things we're 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,170 learning and researching, Sharing magical discourse and 7 00:00:30,170 --> 00:00:32,250 hold space for other witches to do the same. 8 00:00:33,050 --> 00:00:36,650 We're two real witches shooting the shit and nerding out on 9 00:00:36,650 --> 00:00:39,330 magical topics. So if you're into the occult, 10 00:00:39,330 --> 00:00:42,690 the esoteric, or the otherworldly, come hang out with 11 00:00:42,730 --> 00:00:44,810 us in the liminal space of sound. 12 00:00:46,330 --> 00:00:48,930 In today's episode, Oaks going to be skimming the surface of 13 00:00:48,930 --> 00:00:52,650 astrology with her Astro 101 Part 2 of the conversation. 14 00:00:53,150 --> 00:00:56,710 So dial in your telescope and let's go universe divining. 15 00:00:58,790 --> 00:01:02,870 Yeah, so in today's episode I'm going to be covering the last 16 00:01:02,870 --> 00:01:08,590 two topics of my astrology 101 discourse. 17 00:01:08,590 --> 00:01:11,070 I don't know so aspects of water. 18 00:01:11,070 --> 00:01:14,830 So here we're going to be talking about our my personal 19 00:01:14,830 --> 00:01:18,150 history and how I've connected with astrology, and then also 20 00:01:18,150 --> 00:01:20,150 talk about just history in general. 21 00:01:20,620 --> 00:01:24,460 And the things that I've picked up that are notable and we will 22 00:01:24,460 --> 00:01:27,380 also be addressing some Earth aspects. 23 00:01:27,500 --> 00:01:30,660 In that portion, we're going to be talking about some thought 24 00:01:30,660 --> 00:01:32,940 leaders and books and apps and resources. 25 00:01:32,940 --> 00:01:36,220 We'll also share some ways of thinking about astrology. 26 00:01:36,220 --> 00:01:39,620 So I'll refer to that as a philosophy and then also just 27 00:01:39,620 --> 00:01:42,020 kind of talk about some of the challenges as we start to 28 00:01:42,020 --> 00:01:45,260 integrate this information into our daily lives, into our social 29 00:01:45,260 --> 00:01:49,340 circles and beyond. All right, but before we dive 30 00:01:49,340 --> 00:01:55,290 in, what you up to? What are you up to? 31 00:01:55,290 --> 00:01:58,290 What's going on with you? Tell me about learning 32 00:01:58,290 --> 00:02:00,330 workshops, books, all your ear updates. 33 00:02:00,650 --> 00:02:08,410 Yes, Well, I honestly have again been trying to minimize the 34 00:02:08,410 --> 00:02:14,770 amount of new information as we've had some major projects 35 00:02:14,770 --> 00:02:18,730 happening in our lives, our lives collectively, Danny, in my 36 00:02:18,730 --> 00:02:21,830 life. And so I've honestly been taking 37 00:02:21,830 --> 00:02:25,790 just kind of like a trip down memory lane, rereading a lot of 38 00:02:25,790 --> 00:02:31,830 my old notes, my old reference material on, like, workshops. 39 00:02:31,830 --> 00:02:36,110 And whenever I read a book, I also take a lot of notes. 40 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:39,030 And so I've been kind of rereading and organizing some of 41 00:02:39,030 --> 00:02:42,390 my old notes. Yeah, I'm just learning from my 42 00:02:42,430 --> 00:02:43,950 past self, right? There's that. 43 00:02:43,950 --> 00:02:46,400 Saying that. If you could just, like, 44 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,560 remember 50% of what you learned, you'd know like twice 45 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,320 as much as what you know. Which I think is amazing, right? 46 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,680 You forget like more than you would ever be able to remember 47 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,200 and know. So yeah, so I'm just kind of 48 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,840 refreshing some of my past learnings. 49 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:05,960 And honestly, it's like very surprising about how many things 50 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,280 I have forgotten. So yeah, yeah, yeah. 51 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,520 How about you? I can like, read a beginner's 52 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:17,500 book and you're like, yeah, shoot, I didn't even store that 53 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:19,420 in my mind the first time I read that. 54 00:03:20,180 --> 00:03:22,260 I missed that completely the first time. 55 00:03:23,060 --> 00:03:24,460 Absolutely. Absolutely. 56 00:03:24,460 --> 00:03:27,340 Yeah, I think that's interesting even We're gonna talk about 57 00:03:27,340 --> 00:03:32,470 astrology and Eliza Kelly. Is a thought leader I'll kind of 58 00:03:32,470 --> 00:03:35,950 talk about. And she says this, which I'm 59 00:03:35,950 --> 00:03:38,670 sure she got from someone else. But the information will make 60 00:03:38,670 --> 00:03:40,190 sense when you're supposed to learn it. 61 00:03:40,510 --> 00:03:43,510 And until then, it often just like literally falls on deaf 62 00:03:43,510 --> 00:03:47,790 ears where you can't even absorb the yeah, you can't absorb the 63 00:03:47,790 --> 00:03:49,350 concept until you're ready to hear it. 64 00:03:49,350 --> 00:03:52,630 So very much that. How about you? 65 00:03:52,630 --> 00:03:55,970 What are you learning? What are you doing well here at 66 00:03:55,970 --> 00:04:00,170 Danny's Book Countdown? I love this, by the way. 67 00:04:00,490 --> 00:04:02,410 Book countdown. No pressure at all. 68 00:04:02,410 --> 00:04:06,610 I would never do this to myself. That level of accountability is 69 00:04:07,130 --> 00:04:09,210 serious. Well, fantastic. 70 00:04:09,210 --> 00:04:12,730 Let me be accountable. We have made zero progress, 00 71 00:04:12,730 --> 00:04:16,490 percent. And by zero, I mean we were at 72 00:04:16,490 --> 00:04:20,170 20 books last time, the last time we were here in the Sound 73 00:04:20,209 --> 00:04:22,620 Other together. I love that. 74 00:04:22,620 --> 00:04:27,180 That was accidental rhyming. And we're still at 20 books. 75 00:04:27,540 --> 00:04:30,220 I have made maybe 5 pages of progress. 76 00:04:30,220 --> 00:04:34,540 Not cuz the book isn't fantastic just because life is chaotic 77 00:04:34,540 --> 00:04:38,740 right now, but next episode guys, we're gonna be done. 19. 78 00:04:38,780 --> 00:04:40,300 I just know it. I just know it. 79 00:04:41,220 --> 00:04:45,940 You're still working on the Michael Colby the Herb book. 80 00:04:45,980 --> 00:04:47,420 Okay. Yeah, yeah. 81 00:04:47,710 --> 00:04:50,750 Which again, I think, you know, I could gobble it up and like, 82 00:04:50,750 --> 00:04:53,270 get through it really quickly. But I also like how much of that 83 00:04:53,270 --> 00:04:56,550 would I get from it then? So I'm really just trying to 84 00:04:56,550 --> 00:05:00,230 take my time to, like, marinate on some of those ideas. 85 00:05:00,230 --> 00:05:04,630 And like, why did he choose to write a whole chapter on this 86 00:05:04,710 --> 00:05:06,310 and how does this connect with what? 87 00:05:06,630 --> 00:05:08,870 Like, why is this of such big importance to him? 88 00:05:08,870 --> 00:05:13,510 So just taking my time through it, but then I'm also doing kind 89 00:05:13,510 --> 00:05:16,070 of what you're doing, but I'm just taking old notes that I 90 00:05:16,070 --> 00:05:22,000 wrote down things that we've had to like take down where we 91 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,960 needed to like write the future or ritual things and rewriting 92 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:31,920 those as a means of 1, like committing it to memory. 93 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,880 I'm not a rote memorization person. 94 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,200 It has to be personalized to me. And so I'm just taking the time 95 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,280 to like make it aesthetically pleasing and like calligraphy it 96 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:45,960 out and kind of nice pretty mountain pin and all. 97 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,240 Of that. Just trying to like, yeah, I'm 98 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,200 just trying to get fancy with it, you know what I'm saying? 99 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:52,400 Just trying to make a Book of Shadows. 100 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,280 That is enviable by all. Okay. 101 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:58,760 So like actual calligraphy. This is the skill set you have. 102 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,160 Of course it is. Of course it is. 103 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,840 Yeah. Well, it's one I'm getting 104 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:07,190 better at, right? So I love, like the, you know, 105 00:06:07,190 --> 00:06:09,110 the notebook pages when you're in like kindergarten, you had to 106 00:06:09,110 --> 00:06:13,910 like trace a Yeah, I have that. But for calligraphy and for what 107 00:06:14,870 --> 00:06:17,950 are those pins called? The name always goes like brush 108 00:06:17,950 --> 00:06:20,790 pins. I have those and it is so 109 00:06:20,790 --> 00:06:25,830 cathartic to my soul. I like brace a word with them 110 00:06:25,910 --> 00:06:29,070 it. Yeah, so I'm trying to do that, 111 00:06:29,070 --> 00:06:31,790 but like in real life and in practical application. 112 00:06:32,570 --> 00:06:36,490 I think the whole like process of taking notes, like how you 113 00:06:36,490 --> 00:06:40,850 approach information, how you record information legitimately, 114 00:06:40,850 --> 00:06:45,850 that has to be one of our episodes in maybe Season 2, 115 00:06:45,850 --> 00:06:50,730 because for me it's such a big part of my magical process and 116 00:06:50,730 --> 00:06:56,840 and progress and I think every. Thought leader of which that I 117 00:06:56,840 --> 00:07:01,600 know, like actually does magic and like does ritual and works 118 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,160 with the coven. Yeah, yeah. 119 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,120 Not just like aesthetics, but yeah, they all, you know, have 120 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,760 the same kind of passion towards journaling and note taking. 121 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,160 And so it's a big thing. It's a big undertaking. 122 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,160 Let's get get into the feelings part, the the waters. 123 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,960 What's flowing through your life, Danny? 124 00:07:23,060 --> 00:07:25,300 So I think I was just talking with you. 125 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:28,380 I just, I literally just got off a work phone call where I, like, 126 00:07:28,380 --> 00:07:33,300 resisted the urge to cuss everyone out because we've had 127 00:07:33,300 --> 00:07:35,940 like a major deadline set back again. 128 00:07:36,740 --> 00:07:39,940 And it's just one of those things where, like, it seems to 129 00:07:39,940 --> 00:07:44,100 me fully in people's control to not have this happen. 130 00:07:44,700 --> 00:07:46,060 And it just does. Yeah. 131 00:07:46,060 --> 00:07:49,740 So that's what's going on in in my life as I'm just like this 132 00:07:49,740 --> 00:07:54,540 work thing has become such a hassle because I don't have a 133 00:07:54,540 --> 00:07:56,500 dead like, I just don't have a closure date. 134 00:07:56,500 --> 00:07:59,980 And so it's becoming like an ongoing thing that causes other 135 00:07:59,980 --> 00:08:02,580 problems. And I'm just like, I don't get 136 00:08:02,580 --> 00:08:03,420 it. I don't. 137 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:04,820 I could be a construction worker. 138 00:08:04,820 --> 00:08:07,740 I'm convinced I could also be an engineer because we built 2 139 00:08:07,740 --> 00:08:09,020 rooms in our building with no doors. 140 00:08:09,020 --> 00:08:12,860 Apparently, like I have all the confidence in the world of like 141 00:08:13,740 --> 00:08:16,480 white men for no reason. Love it. 142 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,560 Love it. You're like outside looking in. 143 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,760 I know all the problems inside looking out. 144 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,520 Maybe not so many, but yeah, right. 145 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,680 Yeah, yeah. So you're extending Grace is 146 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,480 what I'm hearing so much. It's on the outside, like on the 147 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,840 inside fuming, but on the inside I'm like okay. 148 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,520 Well, what could we do in the meantime? 149 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,480 How could this be advantageous to us? 150 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,640 Love that? Yeah. 151 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,900 Yeah. Well, I know you've got a lot 152 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:51,300 going on. Yes, I just want to preface this 153 00:08:51,300 --> 00:08:57,820 by saying Venus isn't retrograde and if that means something to 154 00:08:57,820 --> 00:09:06,100 you, great Venus being maybe of relationships of how we like to 155 00:09:06,460 --> 00:09:10,580 experience pleasure of aesthetics of. 156 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,560 Maybe like small amounts of monetary gain and comforts. 157 00:09:15,560 --> 00:09:17,840 Creature comforts. Yeah, so that's in retrograde. 158 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,800 So all of that is like being reexamined and up in the air. 159 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,520 And I am very feeling that I finally lost the Pandemic. 160 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:30,240 I was playing a Pandemic game. I had not contracted COVID the 161 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,960 entire time because I was actually somebody who masked for 162 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,680 three years straight, didn't go into any indoor space without a 163 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:42,240 mask on until. Really. 164 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,040 Recently. Yeah. 165 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,160 Like maybe two months ago was when I was like, OK, we're going 166 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,120 to go eat indoors for the first time in three years. 167 00:09:51,850 --> 00:09:53,650 Yep. And that's how I got COVID. 168 00:09:54,010 --> 00:09:55,690 You're going strong. I. 169 00:09:55,770 --> 00:09:58,610 Know I'm so that was an impressive streak. 170 00:09:58,610 --> 00:10:01,770 I gotta say, especially especially in Florida I. 171 00:10:01,810 --> 00:10:03,570 Mean. Yeah, that's what everybody kept 172 00:10:03,570 --> 00:10:06,050 saying to me. They're like in Florida, you did 173 00:10:06,050 --> 00:10:07,610 great. You you actually won. 174 00:10:07,650 --> 00:10:10,250 So and on the top of the scoreboard. 175 00:10:11,530 --> 00:10:13,650 Right. And then of course I had to get 176 00:10:13,650 --> 00:10:15,690 sick. Like right before I'm going on 177 00:10:15,690 --> 00:10:17,730 vacation, which seems to be a theme for me. 178 00:10:17,730 --> 00:10:21,610 It's like my body's like, wait. We're gonna slow down. 179 00:10:21,650 --> 00:10:22,970 OK, Well, we're gonna shut it down. 180 00:10:24,170 --> 00:10:26,970 But yeah, so yeah, I just realized like every vacation you 181 00:10:26,970 --> 00:10:29,650 go on, like the week of and or day of. 182 00:10:29,970 --> 00:10:31,210 Yes. Yeah, it's crazy. 183 00:10:31,610 --> 00:10:34,970 I maybe need to just start taking spontaneous vacations 184 00:10:34,970 --> 00:10:36,210 where my body doesn't know it's coming. 185 00:10:36,210 --> 00:10:40,290 I don't know what's happening, but yeah, so just finished up a 186 00:10:40,290 --> 00:10:44,490 big old move with my dad and so that was stressful AF. 187 00:10:46,710 --> 00:10:49,630 Zero out of 10 would not recommend, but I'm getting to 188 00:10:49,630 --> 00:10:54,270 that point in my life where I have a 80 year old dependent and 189 00:10:55,310 --> 00:10:58,270 that's new for me. So it's certainly not as 190 00:10:58,310 --> 00:11:03,270 demanding as having a child. But I'm reminded every day why I 191 00:11:03,270 --> 00:11:08,790 chose to not have children because the experience of having 192 00:11:08,790 --> 00:11:13,430 a dependent is so consuming. And so, bless you, Danny, for 193 00:11:13,430 --> 00:11:17,940 for being a mother. Because I should not, you should 194 00:11:17,940 --> 00:11:22,020 have just done it the way people from the South traditionally do 195 00:11:22,020 --> 00:11:25,020 it, which is where you have the kids so young that you enter 196 00:11:25,020 --> 00:11:28,420 like a nursing facility together, right. 197 00:11:29,380 --> 00:11:32,700 Because at the point that my mom will, like, need assistance, I 198 00:11:32,700 --> 00:11:35,740 will also need assistance, right, Because there's literally 199 00:11:35,740 --> 00:11:38,860 only 17 years between us. She was a young mom. 200 00:11:39,300 --> 00:11:44,060 And so I can't even help you move because I also just had hip 201 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:47,390 surgery. Maybe you'll get like a BOGO 202 00:11:49,310 --> 00:11:51,150 BOGO hip surgery and share a room. 203 00:11:51,270 --> 00:11:53,030 Yeah, Yeah. And I'm sure there's like a 204 00:11:53,030 --> 00:11:55,590 family discount if you're like in the nursing home with your 205 00:11:55,910 --> 00:11:58,310 parents. I think it's I think. 206 00:11:58,310 --> 00:12:05,040 It probably yes, yes. Let's with that fun time 207 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,520 conversation let's transition into what are you treating 208 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:13,560 yourself to and or I think we've just actually transitioned all 209 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:16,840 Earth updates to be like what did you buy, what are you 210 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,120 spending on. So I think we're just tired of 211 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,240 talking about our feelings and challenges. 212 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,920 We just did that, yes. And our only time Yes is I 213 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,120 bought book binding materials to and we'll talk about it in the 214 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,360 fire updates but to like make a book of Shadows like from 215 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,600 scratch like to to bind book myself, you know to to learn 216 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,080 that skill that is not useful in today's site. 217 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,680 And then I bought a new piece of wood to I'm going to redo the 218 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:48,920 handle to my file mate. So I'm actually going to remove 219 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,920 the blade from the handle I currently have and then redo the 220 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,780 blade. And that little piece, that 221 00:12:55,780 --> 00:13:00,100 little block of wood, it's like, I don't know, maybe it's like 4 222 00:13:00,140 --> 00:13:04,820 inches by like 8 inches ridiculously expensive. 223 00:13:04,860 --> 00:13:09,380 I mean, granted, I did get it in black, but come on, it says I 224 00:13:09,420 --> 00:13:11,700 really was like I should have just gone out to the tree and 225 00:13:11,700 --> 00:13:15,380 asked like, can I take a four inch by 8 inch little block? 226 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:20,300 You know, I'll, I'll make the space I left into a bird feeder 227 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:22,220 for birds. You know that will be my gift, 228 00:13:22,660 --> 00:13:26,350 Yeah. OK, well, I think, I think that 229 00:13:26,390 --> 00:13:28,910 will probably be a project that we'll continue to get updates on 230 00:13:29,870 --> 00:13:33,110 because I assume it's not gonna be like a one day thing. 231 00:13:33,590 --> 00:13:36,430 Listen, I really had all of the confidence in the world that I 232 00:13:36,430 --> 00:13:37,950 was like, I'm gonna get done by this weekend. 233 00:13:38,270 --> 00:13:41,310 And then I looked at it for a little bit longer and I was 234 00:13:41,310 --> 00:13:44,750 like, I'm gonna get it done within the next year for sure. 235 00:13:46,950 --> 00:13:49,430 That's good. No, that's good that you, you 236 00:13:49,430 --> 00:13:51,630 revise your timeline to be realistic. 237 00:13:51,790 --> 00:13:54,780 I appreciate that, but what about you? 238 00:13:54,780 --> 00:13:58,220 I hear you have made a fantastic purchase that I need to know 239 00:13:58,220 --> 00:14:03,100 more about. Yes, well, your girl likes a 240 00:14:03,380 --> 00:14:09,380 thrift store. I'm a big thrifter and I found a 241 00:14:09,380 --> 00:14:16,220 telescope that retails for twice as much on Amazon, so I 242 00:14:16,220 --> 00:14:19,220 definitely had to scoop it up and it's this big heavy. 243 00:14:19,750 --> 00:14:22,710 Clunky thing that's completely unrealistic. 244 00:14:22,710 --> 00:14:25,990 And I also have an app on my phone that shows me the 245 00:14:25,990 --> 00:14:30,270 placement of all planets in this great detail. 246 00:14:30,270 --> 00:14:33,670 And I was like, no, I want to see a little Sprite, right? 247 00:14:33,990 --> 00:14:36,270 Yeah. So theme here is going back to 248 00:14:36,270 --> 00:14:39,870 basics and learning skills that are actually not useful in 249 00:14:40,110 --> 00:14:42,630 modern society. That's the right what we're 250 00:14:42,630 --> 00:14:43,550 doing. Yeah, I. 251 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:45,710 I was. I was tracking that as well. 252 00:14:45,710 --> 00:14:47,650 I'm like. So we're going to learn how to 253 00:14:47,650 --> 00:14:52,650 make fire from scratch and we're going to mill our own grain. 254 00:14:52,810 --> 00:14:55,850 And no, no thank you. But yeah, so telescope. 255 00:14:56,650 --> 00:15:00,410 All right. So finally, let me okay. 256 00:15:01,570 --> 00:15:04,450 I just want to say that you are being so ambitious with this 257 00:15:04,450 --> 00:15:07,410 Book of Shadows. It is possible that people don't 258 00:15:07,410 --> 00:15:12,010 know this about the Gardenarian tradition, but once initiated, 259 00:15:12,970 --> 00:15:17,490 you have to hand copy. Hundreds and, I don't know, 260 00:15:17,490 --> 00:15:20,930 probably thousands, maybe 1002 thousand pages. 261 00:15:20,930 --> 00:15:28,050 You have to copy this by hand, and Miss Danny here is going to 262 00:15:29,970 --> 00:15:33,770 attempt to do it in a very pretty fancy way. 263 00:15:33,770 --> 00:15:37,290 And I'm advising against this because I don't want her to be 264 00:15:37,290 --> 00:15:40,690 let down, but I also don't want to poo poo. 265 00:15:41,410 --> 00:15:44,970 No, no, I want to support you. But I also want to say if this 266 00:15:44,970 --> 00:15:47,730 ends up being not sustainable, that's okay. 267 00:15:48,170 --> 00:15:52,730 Because generally when you copy for our listeners, when you copy 268 00:15:53,130 --> 00:15:55,970 the Book of Shadows, that's passed down through a tradition, 269 00:15:55,970 --> 00:15:57,970 which is certainly one of the benefits of tradition. 270 00:15:58,730 --> 00:16:02,890 Usually it's like you put it on a piece of paper and you put 271 00:16:02,890 --> 00:16:06,330 that in a laminate sheet and you put it in three ring binder and 272 00:16:06,330 --> 00:16:08,930 that just breaks the heart of every like. 273 00:16:09,900 --> 00:16:12,340 Came up pension in the world. I can't. 274 00:16:12,580 --> 00:16:15,220 I cannot do it. I thought about it. 275 00:16:15,660 --> 00:16:17,740 I thought long and hard, but I was like all these people have 276 00:16:17,740 --> 00:16:22,540 committed giant binders with rings and you can do it too. 277 00:16:22,780 --> 00:16:26,140 And then I bought one. And then I took it to work and 278 00:16:26,140 --> 00:16:27,740 gave it to someone. Do it. 279 00:16:28,180 --> 00:16:29,660 Yeah, no, I get it. I get it. 280 00:16:29,700 --> 00:16:32,660 I mean, I had this bubble burst for me. 281 00:16:33,380 --> 00:16:36,000 Probably like. Two years into really being 282 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,880 committed to the kind of like a Wicca path and you know, 283 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,760 pursuing traditional outer courts. 284 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,920 And so I knew that was coming. So for me I was like, yeah, no, 285 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,200 you do laminate sheets and that's how you live your life. 286 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:54,240 But I support you taking the very, very, very High Road of 287 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,080 trying to you know recreate your aesthetics and and I support 288 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,240 you. But it is a lot. 289 00:17:01,150 --> 00:17:03,750 Yeah. Yeah, I because every page has 290 00:17:03,750 --> 00:17:09,430 to be like copied ugly, right? Because I'm just, I'm just being 291 00:17:09,869 --> 00:17:13,150 messy. And then I go back and I put it 292 00:17:13,150 --> 00:17:16,190 on a tea stained paper. You know, we want, we want to 293 00:17:16,190 --> 00:17:18,030 make it look old, but not really old. 294 00:17:18,270 --> 00:17:20,750 And then calligraphy out the title. 295 00:17:21,450 --> 00:17:22,849 Yeah. And then do it all nice and 296 00:17:22,849 --> 00:17:24,690 pretty, but still legible, right? 297 00:17:24,690 --> 00:17:27,890 We want to make sure it's all still readable to the general 298 00:17:27,890 --> 00:17:29,050 person. And it's not going to be 299 00:17:29,050 --> 00:17:31,530 something I need, like a magnifying glass to look at. 300 00:17:32,530 --> 00:17:37,050 And then I have to seal every page so that it's it. 301 00:17:39,530 --> 00:17:43,090 No, it's an adventure and it's it's going to be a while, but 302 00:17:43,090 --> 00:17:45,570 that's OK because I got time. I got time. 303 00:17:47,050 --> 00:17:49,250 OK, all right. I support you. 304 00:17:50,740 --> 00:17:52,980 I am afraid for you. But it's for you. 305 00:17:53,220 --> 00:17:55,620 Yeah. So my 3 ring binders, great. 306 00:17:56,140 --> 00:17:58,260 Loving that. Do you know how expensive big 307 00:17:58,260 --> 00:18:02,860 fucking binders are? Like $30.00 for a three ring 308 00:18:02,860 --> 00:18:05,140 binder. That is over 2 inches. 309 00:18:05,140 --> 00:18:06,820 It's crazy. Like if you get once you get 310 00:18:06,900 --> 00:18:09,020 past two inches, you're like paying $1,000,000. 311 00:18:10,020 --> 00:18:13,460 So yeah, that's what mine's going to look like for me. 312 00:18:13,460 --> 00:18:17,980 I'm taking my little telescope to the beach on my vacation, 313 00:18:17,980 --> 00:18:20,140 which is kind of a staycation, but I'm going, you know. 314 00:18:20,620 --> 00:18:22,260 To the beach, which is not so far from us. 315 00:18:22,300 --> 00:18:25,260 And of course I'm going to paddle board and spend time in 316 00:18:25,260 --> 00:18:29,700 nature. But yeah, we'll we'll see if my 317 00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:32,900 if I got totally ripped off at the thrift store or not. 318 00:18:32,900 --> 00:18:34,940 We'll see. All right. 319 00:18:34,940 --> 00:18:40,580 Well, let's jump into our topic. Before we get into the water 320 00:18:40,580 --> 00:18:43,220 aspects and the earth aspects. I just want to do some follow up 321 00:18:43,220 --> 00:18:47,100 from last episode because we had some outstanding. 322 00:18:47,630 --> 00:18:51,230 Information that we needed to tie up loose ends around. 323 00:18:51,230 --> 00:18:53,750 I didn't have answers for you had questions which were great. 324 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:57,110 So I'm going to give you some some answers to this question. 325 00:18:57,110 --> 00:19:02,470 Number one, we said we're going to put charts in the show notes. 326 00:19:02,470 --> 00:19:07,590 Turns out Spotify said no you won't because there's not enough 327 00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:10,230 room. So that didn't happen. 328 00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:15,110 So instead, we are going to post all of the beautiful charts that 329 00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:19,320 are I I'm. 90% sure are very accurate. 330 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,560 And if they're not, then maybe putting them on social, I'll get 331 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,000 fact checked, which would be even better. 332 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:29,560 So we'll put those on our social account, which is 2 real 333 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:35,000 witches, and we'll then link our social in the show notes. 334 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,920 So then you can just follow the link to our post. 335 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,880 So that's number one. Number two, we have. 336 00:19:46,730 --> 00:19:48,370 You hear that? You hear that, COVID, right? 337 00:19:49,130 --> 00:19:53,930 I I did hear that, that clearing out of that illness. 338 00:19:55,970 --> 00:20:01,890 So the second thing question that we had was with the degrees 339 00:20:02,010 --> 00:20:07,770 of each sign in the Zodiac. How do the degrees progress from 340 00:20:07,770 --> 00:20:13,250 1 to 30 for the 12 signs? And the answer is clockwise. 341 00:20:13,770 --> 00:20:17,210 Going from smaller to larger, literally the way a clock goes 342 00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:21,490 from 1:00 to 2:00 to 3:00, so clockwise from 1 to 30 within 343 00:20:21,610 --> 00:20:26,930 each sign, making a total of 360 because that's a circle. 344 00:20:27,050 --> 00:20:30,130 And that is how that works. And that was a great question 345 00:20:30,130 --> 00:20:32,290 and I'm glad I could get clarity on that. 346 00:20:32,650 --> 00:20:38,770 The signs, you know if we keep the signs stable, the planets do 347 00:20:38,770 --> 00:20:44,080 move counterclockwise through the Zodiac, whereas the degrees 348 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:48,080 are the opposite where they're going from 1 to 30 clockwise. 349 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:55,040 So little bit of movement there And if yeah, I'll just leave it 350 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,960 that the last point of clarification was a what seems 351 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:03,040 like a simple question which which should have a simple 352 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:08,160 answer and that's just not how astrology works and. 353 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,880 Apparently not. I'm looking at these next two 354 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,110 paragraphs and I'm like. I thought the question was just 355 00:21:14,110 --> 00:21:15,990 what degree? Yeah. 356 00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:19,750 Does it stop becoming. I have a really. 357 00:21:20,150 --> 00:21:23,870 Yeah. So if you most every beginner 358 00:21:23,870 --> 00:21:30,070 level explanation of aspects recalling for everyone I'm gonna 359 00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:32,270 have to keep clearing my throat. I'm really sorry that's okay. 360 00:21:32,910 --> 00:21:34,230 So I'm just gonna do what's that? 361 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,720 That is your that is what you win from having won the game of 362 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,240 COVID in Florida is thank you. Thank you. 363 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,520 We now cherish those coughs. That's what it is. 364 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:48,560 Yeah. That's a late stage cough. 365 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,960 I'll have you don't. But there's no pride here. 366 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,560 Okay. So the question so we're talking 367 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,960 about aspects. Aspects are the relationship 368 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:05,820 between 2 heavenly bodies such as planets, asteroids and 369 00:22:05,820 --> 00:22:08,020 luminaries, right. So often we would talk about it, 370 00:22:08,020 --> 00:22:12,780 aspects being, let's say Mars and how it's related to the sun. 371 00:22:13,220 --> 00:22:17,420 And depending on the angle in a chart, we could say it's square 372 00:22:17,420 --> 00:22:21,460 or trine, or if it's very close and it's conjunct or it's an 373 00:22:21,460 --> 00:22:24,700 opposition because it's on the opposite side of the pie, right. 374 00:22:25,380 --> 00:22:28,660 So all of those terms, the question is so certainly square 375 00:22:28,740 --> 00:22:33,120 being 90 degrees, but what if it's 91 degrees, right or what 376 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:35,960 if it's 89 degrees? Like does that still make it a 377 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,880 square? Like what's the range of 378 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,400 acceptability to still call something square? 379 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:46,040 And so you know every article out there will say roughly and 380 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:49,920 roughly is not a number y'all and it's not a good answer. 381 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:56,880 So, so I had to go beyond that answer and I would say if I for 382 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:03,660 most of you who are not anal retentive like I am 2 degrees, 3 383 00:23:03,660 --> 00:23:07,300 degrees, like let's draw a line at four, I don't know, less than 384 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:12,860 five would be a few. The more exact the aspect, the 385 00:23:12,860 --> 00:23:16,740 more influence that aspect is represented of course, right? 386 00:23:16,780 --> 00:23:19,740 If it's like 90 degrees right on the nose, then everything that's 387 00:23:19,740 --> 00:23:23,020 associated with a square aspect would be totally true. 388 00:23:23,340 --> 00:23:26,540 If it's slightly off, then that energy is less. 389 00:23:27,860 --> 00:23:31,850 But the reason I cannot give you the reason that there's not a 390 00:23:31,850 --> 00:23:35,290 good answer out there is because once you get beyond a few 391 00:23:35,290 --> 00:23:41,210 degrees, there's actually other what could be referred to as 392 00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:45,370 minor aspects that that thing probably now falls into. 393 00:23:45,450 --> 00:23:48,330 So when we were discussing aspects in the previous episode, 394 00:23:48,770 --> 00:23:53,490 we essentially only approached the first, second and third 395 00:23:54,690 --> 00:23:58,050 degree of influence. We did not talk about which are 396 00:23:58,050 --> 00:23:59,930 often referred to as a major aspects. 397 00:24:00,130 --> 00:24:05,050 We did not refer to the minor aspects, which is 4th and 5th 398 00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:08,010 degree of influence. I hate to say major and minor 399 00:24:08,010 --> 00:24:09,970 because it makes it sound like one's more important, but it 400 00:24:09,970 --> 00:24:12,530 literally is like one is more impactful than the other. 401 00:24:12,690 --> 00:24:14,690 The first being the most impactful, the 5th being the 402 00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:19,770 least impactful. And so I'm sure that everybody 403 00:24:19,770 --> 00:24:26,200 knows this ancient scientist philosopher, Ptolemy, right with 404 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:34,120 the PTO, the silent P So Ptolemaic Ptolemy was very 405 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,040 influential in astrology like still to this day, 1st century 406 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:44,280 AD, that kind of timeline. And he very much coined these 407 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,880 aspects of conjunct, sextile square, trying opposition. 408 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,640 And those are the major aspects, right. 409 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:58,300 However, Kepler, this is Johannes Kepler, then wrote 410 00:24:58,340 --> 00:25:03,820 another book that is called the Harmonist Mundi, where he's 411 00:25:03,820 --> 00:25:08,220 actually describing other aspects that give us those, you 412 00:25:08,220 --> 00:25:11,100 know, 4th and 5th layer of aspects. 413 00:25:11,860 --> 00:25:18,110 And there's a whole complicated answer around the ratios 414 00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:22,190 relating to geometry relating to music and how those angles are 415 00:25:22,190 --> 00:25:25,190 calculated. I'm just gonna reverse myself 416 00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:29,430 out of this conversation and say that Ptolemy is responsible for 417 00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:33,430 identifying our major aspects of influence. 418 00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:38,350 And there are other aspects that Kepler outlined which are often 419 00:25:38,350 --> 00:25:42,550 referred to as the minor aspects which have you know less of an 420 00:25:42,550 --> 00:25:44,310 impact but still very much a relationship. 421 00:25:44,780 --> 00:25:50,500 And generally it's not Unless you become very versed at other 422 00:25:51,340 --> 00:25:55,780 influences of aspects, 2 to 3 degrees should be safe. 423 00:25:55,780 --> 00:25:59,140 Anything beyond that you might actually be falling into another 424 00:25:59,140 --> 00:26:03,420 aspect outlined by Kepler, is that is that succinct the. 425 00:26:03,820 --> 00:26:07,180 Answer is we don't know. That's the answer is there is 426 00:26:07,180 --> 00:26:11,870 not a defined definition. Of like 2 to 3, three to four, 427 00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:15,550 four to five. So there could be a definition 428 00:26:15,550 --> 00:26:19,990 that would be appropriate for each major aspect, but that 429 00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:23,070 would change between aspects because once you get over a 430 00:26:23,070 --> 00:26:25,470 certain degree with a major aspect, you start to go into 431 00:26:25,470 --> 00:26:28,030 minor aspects, but those are not consistent. 432 00:26:28,030 --> 00:26:30,790 It's not consistently saying after 4 degrees you're actually 433 00:26:30,790 --> 00:26:34,990 in a secondary aspect. So it would be there is an exact 434 00:26:34,990 --> 00:26:39,260 answer, but that answer is unique for each aspect. 435 00:26:39,620 --> 00:26:45,260 Yeah, for each aspect so trying may have a different degree of 436 00:26:45,620 --> 00:26:50,380 acceptability or exactness than squares or oppositions, right? 437 00:26:50,380 --> 00:26:53,940 So each of them will have a different answer, so that's why. 438 00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:56,980 And you know every article out there, they say, roughly. 439 00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:00,020 Roughly. They were like, we don't want to 440 00:27:00,020 --> 00:27:02,620 have this conversation. That's right. 441 00:27:02,660 --> 00:27:06,530 And I don't open this door. And I tried to and I was like, 442 00:27:06,530 --> 00:27:09,290 no, no, no, no, no. Let's close that back up, shall 443 00:27:09,290 --> 00:27:10,890 we? So, yeah, roughly. 444 00:27:10,890 --> 00:27:15,290 Sounds like Astrology 301. That sounds like that might be 445 00:27:15,530 --> 00:27:18,010 the next, next conversation. All right. 446 00:27:18,170 --> 00:27:28,570 Yeah, Yeah. Yes. 447 00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:21,770 So that's, you know, started off real fun there. 448 00:27:22,530 --> 00:27:26,410 OK, So let's go into something that's more interesting to me, 449 00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:31,930 which is. I need to know all about how 450 00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:36,700 little Oak saw the world. In the universe and said, you 451 00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:39,980 know what I'd really like to do math and planets. 452 00:27:40,380 --> 00:27:42,580 That's what I need to know how that happened. 453 00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:47,540 Well, slowly, I'll tell you, there's that that country saying 454 00:27:47,540 --> 00:27:50,020 that the best way to boil a frog is slowly, right? 455 00:27:50,020 --> 00:27:53,380 Because they're cold blooded and you turn up the temperature 456 00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:55,740 incrementally, then they don't jump out of the pot. 457 00:27:55,740 --> 00:28:00,580 Well, I am very much that frog, OK? 458 00:28:00,580 --> 00:28:03,880 So when you go through my histories, not to be I don't 459 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,840 know, so self-centered, but just to give you an example of how I 460 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,360 don't know, my path to astrology certainly wasn't a straight one. 461 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:16,920 And I also only recently have accepted the the challenge and I 462 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,740 think a lot of people, you know, as you have kind of shared that 463 00:28:21,740 --> 00:28:23,060 it's something of interest to you. 464 00:28:23,060 --> 00:28:25,540 But it's also like really intimidating. 465 00:28:25,540 --> 00:28:29,460 And once you start to try to, you know, stick your toe in, 466 00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:31,340 you're like, oh shit, that is far too hot. 467 00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:35,260 Like we're not. I'm not trying to bite off 20 468 00:28:35,260 --> 00:28:37,940 years worth of study and and that's understandable. 469 00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:42,780 So I just want to share my path because maybe it will make 470 00:28:42,780 --> 00:28:45,820 others brave enough to jump in. Maybe. 471 00:28:46,020 --> 00:28:49,060 I mean, you know, I'm 40, so I think maybe some people would 472 00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:51,700 say, oh, you can't start studying such a complicated 473 00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:54,980 thing. You know, you have to start when 474 00:28:54,980 --> 00:28:56,940 you're young. Maybe that would be some kind of 475 00:28:56,940 --> 00:29:00,420 paradigm that people have around the idea of so astrology. 476 00:29:00,420 --> 00:29:05,020 Or maybe it's like, oh, well, if you you have to be really into 477 00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:08,340 it to be able to jump in. And I don't think that's the 478 00:29:08,340 --> 00:29:09,820 case. I think you actually get more 479 00:29:09,820 --> 00:29:12,740 interested in astrology the more you get into it, because it 480 00:29:12,740 --> 00:29:16,100 starts to reveal itself more and more so at any rate. 481 00:29:16,580 --> 00:29:20,060 So for me, I think the the starting point to astrology was 482 00:29:20,060 --> 00:29:24,620 actually astronomy. I was born in the early 80s, 483 00:29:24,620 --> 00:29:31,500 which means in the 90s I was, you know, just a kid who was 484 00:29:31,580 --> 00:29:34,620 curious about the world and how everything moved and and worked. 485 00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:38,620 And NASA was actually fully funded by the US government and 486 00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:40,740 what? Yeah. 487 00:29:40,740 --> 00:29:44,940 And we were sending people to outer space regularly. 488 00:29:44,940 --> 00:29:47,540 I I mean, what was it? Discover. 489 00:29:47,540 --> 00:29:51,260 Discover Discovery exploded with a school teacher inside of it, 490 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,880 that shuttle and I was a kid in a class with a school teacher 491 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,880 when that happened. So it was all very visceral. 492 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,280 Yeah. So that was, I think you. 493 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,520 No, no. I mean, I also watched OJ in 494 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,680 school. That car chase. 495 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,960 You got to watch the car chase. I love it for you. 496 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,720 Yeah. Were you still? 497 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,440 Were you in school at the time of 911? 498 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,640 OK, fun story. I was in hair school. 499 00:30:21,390 --> 00:30:24,150 And so you still got to watch. I was like, what an unusual 500 00:30:24,150 --> 00:30:27,310 education that you had. Yeah, we were just essentially 501 00:30:27,310 --> 00:30:31,470 told everything's fucked and nothing is gonna be okay. 502 00:30:31,470 --> 00:30:34,390 So it goes correctly, Yeah, or as planned. 503 00:30:34,510 --> 00:30:36,590 Or. So go drink out of the hose and 504 00:30:36,590 --> 00:30:39,990 make sure you use that metal fork on that Teflon and you'll 505 00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:44,220 be fine. But yeah, so, so growing up, 506 00:30:44,220 --> 00:30:49,220 NASA and space was everywhere. I actually even went to Space 507 00:30:49,220 --> 00:30:53,620 Camp quote UN quote, for like low income kids that was in my 508 00:30:53,620 --> 00:30:57,900 my area and sponsored and I went to Space camp for like 2 weeks 509 00:30:57,900 --> 00:31:00,820 and it was amazing. We went to Cape Canaveral, 510 00:31:00,820 --> 00:31:04,260 right, Because I grew up in in Florida. 511 00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:07,340 And so it was amazing. There was, I learned so many 512 00:31:07,340 --> 00:31:10,680 things. Like I felt like such an insider 513 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,440 being like nine years old, knowing that there was no sound 514 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,080 in space. And so every time Star Trek 515 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,840 would come on and you know the the ships wouldn't zoom by with 516 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,680 the sound, I'd be like liars, you know? 517 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,120 I felt very cool knowing that information. 518 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,520 I. Can like see a little you being 519 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,600 like, well, actually, oh, yes. Oh, I will actually lead a lot. 520 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,320 Yeah. I mean and you know, at that 521 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,960 point in time we were discovering so much about like 522 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,840 black holes and how stars were born and just scifi, you know, 523 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,160 was very much everywhere as well, right. 524 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,800 So that whole there was just this perfect place where people, 525 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,840 it's not surprising to me that there are a lot of astrologers 526 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,440 that are in my generation because we were just kind of 527 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,720 force fed like love for the stars and love for the planets 528 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,640 and love for space exploration. After that, I would say the 529 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,360 first time I can actually remember caring about astrology, 530 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,840 not just astronomy, is I have these really vivid memories of 531 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,880 being in a grocery store line. You know, grocery shopping with 532 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,200 your parents is so fun. And there's at the checkout 533 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,400 counter, they would be these little pastel like rolled 534 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,820 scrolls that kind of like cigarettes must like individual 535 00:32:34,820 --> 00:32:36,420 little ones. And you could purchase them. 536 00:32:36,420 --> 00:32:38,620 They're like a dollar and you would open them up and they 537 00:32:38,620 --> 00:32:43,580 would have like that month's sun sign, astrology. 538 00:32:43,580 --> 00:32:45,380 Horoscope in it. Yeah. 539 00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:48,460 And I I think I could like kind of understand the words. 540 00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:52,820 But, you know, I had no idea. But I just felt very cool having 541 00:32:52,820 --> 00:32:56,460 this inside information, you know, my childhood was was 542 00:32:56,940 --> 00:33:01,560 tremendously intense. And so the idea of having some 543 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,280 kind of control. That let down tremendous. 544 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:10,320 The intense I, you know I don't. I don't see it as a bad thing. 545 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:15,140 I think most people would be sad for a little Oak, but for me it 546 00:33:15,140 --> 00:33:17,580 was. Obviously I love my childhood 547 00:33:17,580 --> 00:33:19,540 because it gave me my story and all the good stuff. 548 00:33:19,820 --> 00:33:24,700 So yeah, the idea of being able to have insights into maybe what 549 00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:29,020 was coming was like this way of having control over the 550 00:33:29,020 --> 00:33:31,900 situation and feeling like I could create a sense of safety 551 00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:35,810 if I knew what was coming. So those little pastel scrolls, 552 00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:37,850 I don't know if do you did you ever see those things? 553 00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:40,490 You remember them? I did see those, yeah. 554 00:33:40,490 --> 00:33:41,730 No, I totally did. And so. 555 00:33:41,730 --> 00:33:43,530 But when you said that I first, second, I was like, what? 556 00:33:44,770 --> 00:33:47,850 Remember though, And then you, you dug that memory out from 557 00:33:47,850 --> 00:33:49,730 like, the center of my brain, and I was like. 558 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,560 Well, that was a thing. Is that still a thing? 559 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,760 I don't know, but I remember those I've looked. 560 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,440 I cannot find them. I should Google it. 561 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,280 I don't know why I've been. Using Go to the dollar store. 562 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,320 Listen, they have all the things from our childhood. 563 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,560 Have you been? Oh, really? 564 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,120 OK. Yes, they might have them there. 565 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,800 They'll be very exciting. So then I think the next, you 566 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,239 know, at that point like I was into astrology, it was something 567 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,840 that was around, it was like you know, in Cosmo and in magazines 568 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:23,770 and and it was only Sun sign. And so you know, having Sun and 569 00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:26,250 Sagittarius like Sagittarians are supposed to be all about 570 00:34:26,250 --> 00:34:28,090 travel. And for me, I was like no, I 571 00:34:28,090 --> 00:34:30,489 don't want to travel. I don't need more chaos in my 572 00:34:30,489 --> 00:34:31,850 life. Like that sounds terrible. 573 00:34:31,850 --> 00:34:34,530 Travel has only been a bad thing for me when we've had to move 574 00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:38,330 from place to place. So I very much was like okay, 575 00:34:38,330 --> 00:34:40,770 this isn't accurate. So therefore it must not be 576 00:34:40,770 --> 00:34:42,730 real. And then I started to understand 577 00:34:42,730 --> 00:34:45,330 that people would say, like, oh, that's just like self help. 578 00:34:45,330 --> 00:34:47,449 That's like woo Woo. And it was very discounted. 579 00:34:47,449 --> 00:34:51,230 And so I think I put it aside for most of my life. 580 00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:57,590 It was really only like 7 years ago that I understood that the 581 00:34:57,590 --> 00:35:03,630 sudden sign portion of astrology was literally just the smallest 582 00:35:03,630 --> 00:35:07,070 possible part of like the smallest. 583 00:35:07,110 --> 00:35:09,150 Yeah. And it was super reductive. 584 00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:12,750 And honestly, I I think I probably came across it on 585 00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:15,270 Pinterest if I had to be totally prank. 586 00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:18,670 Which is how you know that it's legit. 587 00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:22,430 Oh, so yeah, yeah, I was like, what is a rising sign? 588 00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:23,670 What? You have a moon sign. 589 00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:28,710 So that was, I mean, again, this is definitely, I'm in my 30s at 590 00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:33,190 this point, and I learned this. And around that same time, I had 591 00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:36,590 started to study with another WICCAN group. 592 00:35:36,910 --> 00:35:45,570 And there was a person who, you know, was taking on the endeavor 593 00:35:45,690 --> 00:35:49,650 of learning astrology. And you know, the way he spoke 594 00:35:49,650 --> 00:35:54,170 about it was crazy, intimidating to the point in which I said 595 00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:57,770 that's so interesting to me. I'm, I had this, you know, 596 00:35:57,770 --> 00:35:59,890 revelation that there's more than the sunshine. 597 00:35:59,890 --> 00:36:02,570 I was super interested. And then the more he talked 598 00:36:02,570 --> 00:36:04,490 about it, the more I was like, Oh yeah, no, no. 599 00:36:05,050 --> 00:36:09,110 Being new to the occult in general and having just this 600 00:36:09,110 --> 00:36:16,230 whole cornucopia of topics to dive into, from herbal remedies 601 00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:19,670 and and all of those kinds of things to like crystals to 602 00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:25,590 there's so much to cover within the world of Western occultism 603 00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:32,110 that the idea of diving into astrology was like low on the on 604 00:36:32,110 --> 00:36:35,270 the priority list for me. And I had a healthy respect for 605 00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:36,470 it. So. 606 00:36:36,590 --> 00:36:41,830 And I would say that the other thing is that I didn't have my 607 00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:44,070 birth time. My mom passed away when I was 608 00:36:44,070 --> 00:36:46,230 15. Literally the hospital where I 609 00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:50,790 was born is was torn down like 15 years ago and doesn't even 610 00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:53,310 exist anymore. So I couldn't even call them to 611 00:36:53,310 --> 00:36:55,670 get my birth time. So nobody knew when I was born. 612 00:36:56,870 --> 00:37:02,110 I only recently, so this was December of 2021, said Okay 613 00:37:02,110 --> 00:37:04,150 That's enough. I need my long form birth 614 00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:06,710 certificate that I know has my time of birth on it. 615 00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:11,480 I drove to Jacksonville from where I live and went to IKEA 616 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:15,680 because we don't have one of this and got my long form birth 617 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,560 certificate and it was great. And I think that's kind of, I 618 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:24,520 think that probably marks my serious interest in astrology 619 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,400 because at that point I could actually start understanding 620 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,360 some of my own placements. So yes, so that's kind of like 621 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:37,310 my history and that's where I kind of started and dove in. 622 00:37:37,870 --> 00:37:41,190 And so it's only really been like a year and a half of me 623 00:37:41,950 --> 00:37:43,470 trying to nerd out on the topics. 624 00:37:44,590 --> 00:37:52,700 Our outer court has currently three people in it, and we are 625 00:37:52,740 --> 00:37:55,540 each encouraged to pick a form of divination. 626 00:37:55,580 --> 00:37:59,460 And we also want to complement each other's interest. 627 00:37:59,980 --> 00:38:03,980 And there's some value and not having overlapping interest 628 00:38:03,980 --> 00:38:06,100 because we can bring something that new like we're doing right 629 00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:08,340 now, like you did with full of magic. 630 00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:14,020 So having astrology be something I was interested in being at a 631 00:38:14,020 --> 00:38:19,950 place with my occult studies where I feel like I have pretty 632 00:38:19,950 --> 00:38:22,510 good coverage and every other area that I'm interested in. 633 00:38:22,510 --> 00:38:26,790 Like I was finally willing to say, okay, I'm going to be the 634 00:38:26,830 --> 00:38:32,270 astrology gal. And like I said, that's why I'm 635 00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:36,630 so hesitant to even say, like, I'm a baby astrologer because 636 00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:41,630 I'm just so reverent towards the depth of the topic and, you 637 00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:46,190 know, still very new to the study of it. 638 00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:50,990 But yeah, that's me love. That yeah, I love. 639 00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:53,710 I love a little you in line at the store. 640 00:38:54,590 --> 00:38:58,070 A little pastel thing and I can like picture your mom being 641 00:38:58,070 --> 00:39:00,710 like, yeah, whatever. Get the thing and then later 642 00:39:00,710 --> 00:39:04,230 being like you know what And that's why she's weird is cuz 643 00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:06,310 yeah. Oh yeah, my mom became a. 644 00:39:06,590 --> 00:39:07,550 Store. Yeah. 645 00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:10,510 My mom became a born again Christian and was like, yeah, 646 00:39:10,510 --> 00:39:13,550 that didn't happen later, No. Yeah. 647 00:39:13,870 --> 00:39:17,990 I made some mistakes, yeah, but at that point she was open to 648 00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:20,470 it. So, OK, nothing about me. 649 00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:28,710 I want to dive into the big topic, the 27,000 year topic of 650 00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:33,350 astrological history. As I understand it, and as I was 651 00:39:33,350 --> 00:39:36,710 able to find it, my dog's having a dream. 652 00:39:37,950 --> 00:39:41,110 Oh, did you hear that? I love that he's, he's barking 653 00:39:41,110 --> 00:39:46,710 at someone in his dream. So yeah, 27,000 years ready. 654 00:39:46,750 --> 00:39:51,630 Okay. So ready to be. 655 00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:54,310 My lungs are not ready. But we're going to do this okay. 656 00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:58,270 So history is tricky because where do you start? 657 00:39:59,150 --> 00:40:03,990 Usually if we can, as we've discussed in the past, history 658 00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:07,350 generally begins with artifacts, right. 659 00:40:07,870 --> 00:40:10,550 That's how we can kind of define the beginning of something And 660 00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:14,360 so of course. There are artifacts that are 661 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:20,920 carbon dated to be 25,000 years before common era that were that 662 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:28,040 were found and this if we define astrology as the observation of 663 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,720 celestial bodies over time to then find correlation to the 664 00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:37,760 things happening on earth, then we could say 25,000 BCE would be 665 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,890 our starting point. Were there things practiced 666 00:40:41,890 --> 00:40:43,290 before then? I'm sure. 667 00:40:43,410 --> 00:40:44,610 Do we have proof of it? No. 668 00:40:44,850 --> 00:40:46,370 Right. And by proof I mean evidence, 669 00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:49,370 not proof. So theories, the current 670 00:40:50,050 --> 00:40:52,730 theories that we have in place are that timeline. 671 00:40:53,850 --> 00:40:59,370 So starting from there, astrology that had the purpose 672 00:40:59,370 --> 00:41:05,330 of and analyzing individuals really only became popular 673 00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:09,250 recently, right. This whole like needle astrology 674 00:41:09,250 --> 00:41:14,290 obsession. Before that astrology had very 675 00:41:15,530 --> 00:41:22,490 had a really important place in electional and that kind of 676 00:41:22,650 --> 00:41:26,450 horrary. How were you gonna say it, Horry 677 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,560 Cory. Yeah, so nasty, Cory. 678 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,520 So. Nasty, but yeah, so there's 679 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,520 astrology that where you look to the stars to say, hey, what's 680 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,520 gonna happen? What's the best time to do 681 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,520 something, Where are the favorable conditions? 682 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:47,760 And Alexander of Macedonia was very keen to use this kind of 683 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,680 technology. So there's definite proof of him 684 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,400 leveraging this kind of information as he set out to 685 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,040 conquer the world. The Cross Pollenization of 686 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,160 Egyptian, the Greek cultures, the Persian cultures, the 687 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:11,120 Chaldean cultures, all kind of were working together in that 688 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,120 time period because there was lots of trade lines. 689 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:19,590 There was also this whole worldwide conqueror that was 690 00:42:19,590 --> 00:42:24,030 kind of in some way consolidating information and we 691 00:42:24,030 --> 00:42:29,270 would see the earliest Zodiac found in Egypt, and this dates 692 00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:38,390 to the 1st century BCE, and this is called the Dendira Zodiac. 693 00:42:39,110 --> 00:42:43,110 So that's. DE Yeah, DENDER Zodiac. 694 00:42:43,110 --> 00:42:46,790 And so that's 1st century. What's particularly important 695 00:42:48,580 --> 00:42:53,900 with this horoscopic astrology is the Greek and Roman 696 00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:57,700 astrologer, Grecian, Roman Greco, Roman astrologer Ptolemy. 697 00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:01,540 We already talked about who is living in Alexandria during this 698 00:43:01,540 --> 00:43:03,420 kind of like Roman, Egyptian period of time. 699 00:43:03,940 --> 00:43:08,580 And he was really paramount in creating this kind of like 700 00:43:08,580 --> 00:43:13,500 personcentered approach to astrology which really kind of 701 00:43:13,820 --> 00:43:18,310 launched the development of really a ton of different 702 00:43:18,310 --> 00:43:22,710 techniques for interpreting chart Hellenistic model was 703 00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:26,830 prevalent during this time period and that model 704 00:43:26,830 --> 00:43:32,390 incorporates both concepts from the Babylonian practices and the 705 00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:35,990 Egyptian astrology. The the issues of course is that 706 00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:41,350 there's so many details that are lost over time between you know 707 00:43:41,350 --> 00:43:46,780 things being buried and you know Christianity coming in and all 708 00:43:46,780 --> 00:43:49,060 these kinds of things. So let let's let's Fast forward 709 00:43:49,060 --> 00:43:51,340 there. So after Alexander the Great's 710 00:43:51,340 --> 00:43:55,740 death, Christianity rose in popularity and Christianity has 711 00:43:55,740 --> 00:44:00,780 some very clear opposing ideas to divination in general and 712 00:44:00,780 --> 00:44:05,770 also specifically astrology and how we'll talk about that more 713 00:44:05,770 --> 00:44:10,850 in the earth ideas. But this is in general conflicts 714 00:44:10,850 --> 00:44:15,290 with God's will, right? So the relics from this time we 715 00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:18,890 see, you know we it kind of goes cold in the Western world around 716 00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:25,090 the 7th century then but around the same time in the Muslim and 717 00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:28,930 then later Persian communities in the East, it started to have 718 00:44:28,930 --> 00:44:31,010 a kind of resurgence of popularity. 719 00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:36,110 And they began to translate the ancient Greek text on the topic 720 00:44:36,310 --> 00:44:38,990 and started adding, you know new observations about the planets 721 00:44:38,990 --> 00:44:42,270 and new theories. The Christian Crusades around 722 00:44:42,270 --> 00:44:48,270 the 11th century actually led to Persian archaeology, 723 00:44:49,550 --> 00:44:52,510 astrological text to actually return to Europe. 724 00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:57,290 So, and this is then being translated back in being 725 00:44:57,290 --> 00:45:00,890 translated from Arabic to Latin. So there's there's this really 726 00:45:00,930 --> 00:45:05,010 interesting connection where we're looking at Chaldean 727 00:45:05,010 --> 00:45:12,250 cultures and Egyptian cultures and Babylonian people who are, 728 00:45:12,250 --> 00:45:17,050 you know, creating these ideas. And then it's flowing into 729 00:45:18,250 --> 00:45:23,370 Greece and then it flows back into Eastern cultures and 730 00:45:23,530 --> 00:45:25,610 there's some, you know, technologies that are lost in 731 00:45:25,610 --> 00:45:27,650 that time period. But just this flow back and 732 00:45:27,650 --> 00:45:32,250 forth of popularity of astrology is really interesting and it 733 00:45:32,410 --> 00:45:35,010 really it's you know, Christianity and the Crusades 734 00:45:35,010 --> 00:45:38,730 that we have to thank for that back and forth kind of process. 735 00:45:40,450 --> 00:45:45,370 With the return of the text in Europe, right there was now a 736 00:45:45,370 --> 00:45:49,170 rise of what is referred to as medieval astrology. 737 00:45:49,170 --> 00:45:52,570 So this is Renaissance period, 1600s. 738 00:45:52,850 --> 00:45:56,970 We see a thought leader like William Lily, so William and 739 00:45:56,970 --> 00:46:04,130 then Lilly Lily and this person really helped to kind of add to 740 00:46:04,170 --> 00:46:06,450 the knowledge through experimentation. 741 00:46:07,220 --> 00:46:11,860 However, this after this kind of medieval astrology started to 742 00:46:11,860 --> 00:46:15,260 develop, the Age of Enlightenment came in and so the 743 00:46:15,260 --> 00:46:19,260 idea of scientific thought really conflicted with a lot of 744 00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:23,460 astrological theories, right. So again it became less popular 745 00:46:23,460 --> 00:46:26,580 and so there's this again, this rise and fall and rise and fall 746 00:46:26,580 --> 00:46:32,260 of popularity of astrology. We also then had this new theory 747 00:46:32,260 --> 00:46:36,430 in place that the sun did not revolve around the Earth, but 748 00:46:36,430 --> 00:46:38,670 rather the other way around. Right. 749 00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:42,830 So where the sun was the center of the solar system and the 750 00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:45,910 Earth revolved around it. And so, you know, that 751 00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:49,990 potentially maybe debunked some of the ideas and made it less 752 00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:52,870 popular. Around the same time, you know, 753 00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:57,590 many other divinatory practices became outlawed and astrology of 754 00:46:57,590 --> 00:47:00,550 course fell into that scope. So we see the, you know, Age of 755 00:47:00,550 --> 00:47:03,720 Enlightenment. Both have scientific thought 756 00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:06,400 kind of contrasts astrology and then it just literally became 757 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,120 illegal. And so that led to the practice 758 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,280 going underground. We see the popularity of 759 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,760 astrology and Western culture kind of pop up again in the 760 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,000 1800s. And so this is probably where 761 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,680 most people would be familiar with astrology's history. 762 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,560 I I assume everybody kind of knew that there was a lot of 763 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:33,150 like Babylonian, Grecian, Roman, Chaldean influence. 764 00:47:33,310 --> 00:47:35,790 Did you know, like, I feel like that's commonly known. 765 00:47:35,790 --> 00:47:38,390 Is that something that you had ideas around? 766 00:47:38,910 --> 00:47:43,350 Yeah, I mean, I think I knew that lots of different cultures 767 00:47:43,950 --> 00:47:46,550 studied astrology. I don't know that I realized 768 00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:49,470 that it was kind of just past and forth. 769 00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:52,230 I've always had the question like, how did people arrive at 770 00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:54,510 these similar conclusions if they didn't? 771 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,600 Interact. But it sounds like they did 772 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,920 interact, just maybe not all at the same time period. 773 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,680 So someone passed to someone who interacted with somebody else at 774 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,200 a later point in time. Yeah. 775 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,480 And I mean, and across Europe, there was a lot of, you know, 776 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,480 the current events could be observed by different cultures. 777 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:18,080 And so a lot of astrology had developed from the observation 778 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,160 of like mundane astrology, right when countries go to war, when 779 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,090 conquerors, you know, go out and try to take over other 780 00:48:26,090 --> 00:48:29,810 countries. And so I think while we think of 781 00:48:29,810 --> 00:48:32,210 these cultures as being separate, like they're observing 782 00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:34,410 and interacting and trade routes and all that good stuff. 783 00:48:34,410 --> 00:48:38,330 So, and yeah, I think it's, it is really interesting just the 784 00:48:38,810 --> 00:48:44,490 how the influence that religions had, especially monotheistic 785 00:48:44,490 --> 00:48:48,930 religions had on the popularity of astrology and how that kind 786 00:48:48,930 --> 00:48:54,940 of led to the decline and something's being lost and now 787 00:48:54,940 --> 00:49:00,580 something's being gained. So yeah, very, very interesting 788 00:49:00,580 --> 00:49:02,460 narrative to follow and quite confusing. 789 00:49:02,460 --> 00:49:06,380 OK, so but in the 1800s you have heard of spiritualism, right? 790 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:14,040 So it's this movement from the 1800s that really made 791 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:18,920 astrology, brought it back to America and to English speaking 792 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,200 countries. And it allowed for the 793 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,800 decriminalization of divination, right? 794 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,830 Because people like, yeah, people were like, no, I have 795 00:49:27,830 --> 00:49:31,870 money, I'm white, and I want to have my tarot cards read. 796 00:49:31,870 --> 00:49:33,590 So you got to get rid of that law. 797 00:49:33,590 --> 00:49:35,190 I don't like that law anymore. Right. 798 00:49:35,550 --> 00:49:39,310 But also like, how are we, how are we determining? 799 00:49:39,630 --> 00:49:42,230 Like, I just don't know how you could be found guilty, I guess 800 00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:45,190 if they found, yeah, your things, I don't know. 801 00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:47,240 I just. I'm like, if someone was just 802 00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:49,480 looking up at the stars and they're like, yeah, so that's 803 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,480 where cancer is today. Well, I. 804 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,000 Think this means Yeah, no, that's really interesting. 805 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:59,040 So, you know, you're aware of the witchcraft laws being 806 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,680 decriminalized in Europe in the 1950s, which then led to 807 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:07,440 Gardner, the founder of our tradition, being able to come 808 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,640 forward and in the public life. The reason that witchcraft 809 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,640 actually was decriminalized is because you couldn't actually 810 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,770 persecute anybody under these laws because it was too 811 00:50:16,770 --> 00:50:19,770 ridiculous. So they actually replaced the 812 00:50:19,890 --> 00:50:23,050 witchcraft laws with fortune telling laws. 813 00:50:23,050 --> 00:50:26,890 And so it's illegal. It was illegal, and a lot of 814 00:50:26,890 --> 00:50:29,450 states it still is. It's illegal to charge people 815 00:50:29,530 --> 00:50:35,190 for divination unless you create clarity that it's for 816 00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:36,870 entertainment purposes only, right? 817 00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:39,870 Very Miss Leo. Like, you have to say that this 818 00:50:39,870 --> 00:50:43,310 is just for funzies and don't make any choices in your life 819 00:50:43,310 --> 00:50:46,110 about it. Yeah, and that still exists. 820 00:50:46,110 --> 00:50:49,470 So I think it's interesting that the thing that made witchcraft 821 00:50:50,110 --> 00:50:53,990 legal was so that they could persecute fortune tellers, 822 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,600 right? Interesting, because I feel like 823 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,600 the lottery is based a lot and divination and like the picking 824 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,440 of the numbers, divining what are gonna be the winning 825 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,760 numbers. And we certainly have not ever 826 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,600 outlawed that. You know, that's just called 827 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,200 guessing. No guessing is OK. 828 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,510 You can guess. You just can't say that you're 829 00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:17,710 confident in your guesses based on information because that 830 00:51:17,710 --> 00:51:19,870 would be right. Right. 831 00:51:19,870 --> 00:51:20,790 Yeah. Yeah. 832 00:51:21,710 --> 00:51:25,070 So, I mean, we still see a lot of these kind of remnants of the 833 00:51:25,070 --> 00:51:28,670 laws in states like Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Minnesota, North 834 00:51:28,670 --> 00:51:30,550 Carolina. They still have codes that 835 00:51:30,550 --> 00:51:34,270 require all spiritual advisors to have this kind of disclaimer 836 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,400 that it's for entertainment purposes. 837 00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:41,400 In the 1930s, we see in the Western world the first time we 838 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,240 start to see the kind of horoscope being published in the 839 00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:47,880 newspaper and the 1st. And this is in England, The 840 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,360 first time we saw an actual astrological birth chart be 841 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:57,710 presented was after the birth of Princess Margaret in 1930. 842 00:51:58,030 --> 00:52:01,630 And so this really led to the kind of interest in printed 843 00:52:01,630 --> 00:52:05,790 newspapers, weekly newspapers to host astrology. 844 00:52:06,590 --> 00:52:09,750 People rarely were, you know, would have the means to have 845 00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:14,830 their birth chart calculated. So the only thing that we could 846 00:52:14,830 --> 00:52:18,670 really point to that would be easy enough for anybody to 847 00:52:18,910 --> 00:52:22,070 understand would be sun Signs. And it made everything really 848 00:52:22,070 --> 00:52:24,550 accessible, but it also, of course, watered it down. 849 00:52:24,550 --> 00:52:28,590 But then that's how Sun Signs became popular, because the need 850 00:52:28,750 --> 00:52:33,430 to make it accessible to the masses through printed 851 00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:37,510 publications, like weekly news publications, which I think is 852 00:52:38,070 --> 00:52:42,550 fascinating, yeah. Because I've always well, the 853 00:52:42,550 --> 00:52:45,430 first time I read like the attributes for cancer, I was 854 00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:48,470 like, I don't know who she is, but she isn't Me, yes. 855 00:52:49,370 --> 00:52:53,050 I don't know who what an overly emotional person. 856 00:52:53,050 --> 00:52:56,850 I don't get it. And it's funny because in the 857 00:52:56,850 --> 00:52:59,490 first time I was aware there were moon and rising signs. 858 00:52:59,490 --> 00:53:02,690 That's when I was like, Oh no, I didn't have those people. 859 00:53:02,770 --> 00:53:05,730 I don't know who who she. And then and then I realized 860 00:53:05,730 --> 00:53:08,770 like some of those aspects are picked up here. 861 00:53:08,850 --> 00:53:10,730 The the maternal, the motherly ones. 862 00:53:10,730 --> 00:53:13,690 OK, got it. But really, I identified a lot 863 00:53:13,690 --> 00:53:15,930 more with my moon and rising sign, and that's when I was 864 00:53:15,930 --> 00:53:17,900 like. Well, there's a lot more here 865 00:53:17,980 --> 00:53:22,260 than just this sunshine piece. Same, more same. 866 00:53:22,260 --> 00:53:25,060 But it's just so interesting. Like, how did we end up not 867 00:53:25,060 --> 00:53:29,980 using the more often accurate feeling astrology to identify 868 00:53:29,980 --> 00:53:31,940 people's personalities like Rising and Moon? 869 00:53:32,140 --> 00:53:36,660 It's because people had to make money in the printing press. 870 00:53:36,660 --> 00:53:41,740 So in the probably in the 20th century, this is when we started 871 00:53:41,740 --> 00:53:45,150 to see this kind of psychological science work their 872 00:53:45,150 --> 00:53:50,030 way into astrological systems. So around the kind of 20th 873 00:53:50,030 --> 00:53:53,070 century turn of century, Eastern spiritual thought was starting 874 00:53:53,070 --> 00:53:56,870 to gain traction, like in the US, but also in the West in 875 00:53:56,870 --> 00:54:01,390 general. So new books like I have no idea 876 00:54:01,390 --> 00:54:03,190 how to pronounce this person's last name, but I'm going to say 877 00:54:03,590 --> 00:54:09,190 Rudyard, Dane Rudyard, They had a publication called The 878 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,000 Astrology of Personality, and this was the first time that we 879 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,800 actually started to see psychology be mixed with 880 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,880 astrology. It's crazy to think that it was 881 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:24,680 that early on, right? In the 19th, it says 1936 that 882 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,840 we saw that blend of psychology and astrology and it's like 883 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,880 stuck ever since. But before that we literally 884 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,890 didn't see that connection. It was more about predicting 885 00:54:35,090 --> 00:54:37,650 like the mundane and electional and all those other types of 886 00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:40,410 astrology. Macro level astrology versus 887 00:54:40,410 --> 00:54:44,930 like micro level astrology or more like give me an answer. 888 00:54:45,130 --> 00:54:48,770 So when we first started you talked about how astrology is 889 00:54:48,770 --> 00:54:51,650 not like other forms of divination where you have a 890 00:54:51,650 --> 00:54:55,450 question, you do a thing and you get an answer and it is like 891 00:54:55,450 --> 00:54:58,970 that, right? That is very much the whole idea 892 00:54:59,050 --> 00:55:03,330 of mundane astrology. Well, no, mundane astrology is 893 00:55:03,330 --> 00:55:07,930 actually horror horror. Mundane astrology is actually 894 00:55:08,210 --> 00:55:12,690 feels like a terrible named because it's more significant 895 00:55:12,690 --> 00:55:14,210 than that. It's actually talking about 896 00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:20,610 those social, political like larger theme macro stuff. 897 00:55:20,850 --> 00:55:22,970 Yeah, the macro stuff, which I think is so funny because it's 898 00:55:22,970 --> 00:55:26,330 like mundane makes it feel like it's minimizing its impact, but 899 00:55:26,330 --> 00:55:29,970 that's important. But anyway, I didn't name it. 900 00:55:29,970 --> 00:55:31,850 They didn't ask me if they would have, they would have got a 901 00:55:31,850 --> 00:55:34,730 better name. But but yeah, so I mean, you 902 00:55:34,730 --> 00:55:37,730 know, astrology can very much be used to. 903 00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:40,450 I'm sorry, my doggo is being very protective. 904 00:55:40,850 --> 00:55:44,250 Protecting you from invaders. He's. 905 00:55:44,610 --> 00:55:45,970 Doing his job? Really. 906 00:55:45,970 --> 00:55:47,210 Why? I'm gonna. 907 00:55:47,570 --> 00:55:50,850 I'm gonna just take a beat and put him outside my room. 908 00:55:51,130 --> 00:55:53,370 I'm sorry. Here's here's the real us. 909 00:55:53,570 --> 00:55:57,210 Here's the real witches. Come on. 910 00:55:59,850 --> 00:56:04,370 And now she can't hear me. This is me saying she's just 911 00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:06,290 great, right? Isn't she so good? 912 00:56:06,290 --> 00:56:08,410 I like the research part. She's the one to do this later 913 00:56:08,410 --> 00:56:10,210 and laughs. OK, I couldn't hear anything cuz 914 00:56:10,210 --> 00:56:11,490 I have headphones. So what? 915 00:56:11,490 --> 00:56:13,210 Have you said no? I totally wasn't even saying 916 00:56:13,210 --> 00:56:18,930 anything. So, but yeah, so just back to 917 00:56:18,930 --> 00:56:22,630 this idea of like, no. Like, very much astrology can be 918 00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:26,030 used to get a yes or no answer, or it can be used to say, here's 919 00:56:26,030 --> 00:56:28,550 the influences to consider, just like any other form of 920 00:56:28,550 --> 00:56:31,270 astrology. Is it far more complicated? 921 00:56:31,630 --> 00:56:35,310 Oh, hell yeah. But it can provide that same 922 00:56:35,310 --> 00:56:39,830 level of clarity once you're, you know, deep enough into the 923 00:56:39,830 --> 00:56:43,910 information. OK, so astrology with psychology 924 00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:50,590 started to show up in that 1936. In the 1960s, it just blew up, 925 00:56:50,590 --> 00:56:53,710 right? The rise of modern astrology in 926 00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:58,750 the West was a big point of interest for all those hippies, 927 00:56:59,310 --> 00:57:02,070 right? So we had a lot of of new 928 00:57:02,070 --> 00:57:04,990 astrologers come into the space. That really built off of 929 00:57:05,310 --> 00:57:09,110 Rudyard's ideas of psychology and astrology in the connection. 930 00:57:09,830 --> 00:57:13,230 And this really was the perfect environment for these things to 931 00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:17,970 flourish because of the interest in, you know, spiritual 932 00:57:17,970 --> 00:57:20,770 development and meditation and all of those other kind of 933 00:57:20,810 --> 00:57:23,850 Eastern ideas. And I think that's a really 934 00:57:23,850 --> 00:57:27,610 interesting connection. Whenever Eastern philosophies, 935 00:57:27,610 --> 00:57:32,210 religion practices come into light, we often see astrology 936 00:57:32,210 --> 00:57:35,130 come with that, right? In the 1900s. 937 00:57:35,130 --> 00:57:38,610 I'm sorry, 1800s, we started to see that same kind of thing 938 00:57:38,610 --> 00:57:42,490 where spiritualism came in and spiritualism was connected with 939 00:57:42,490 --> 00:57:46,770 some kind of Eastern thoughts and it became more palatable. 940 00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:49,890 So in the 19. So that's the 1960s. 941 00:57:50,490 --> 00:57:52,890 There's something that really was important that happened in 942 00:57:52,890 --> 00:58:01,470 the 1970s, which is the use of the asteroids in astrology in a 943 00:58:01,470 --> 00:58:07,350 popular way, right? So there's like Juno and Vista 944 00:58:07,630 --> 00:58:11,150 and Cirrus. All of these kinds of asteroids 945 00:58:11,470 --> 00:58:18,070 were discovered in maybe like the early 1800s to maybe 1845. 946 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,760 And when these asteroids became were discovered, they were 947 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:26,400 actually started to they were named after goddesses rather 948 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,760 than gods, right. All of the quote UN quote 949 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:34,960 planets that we think of and the larger sense other than Earth 950 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:39,360 and Venus are masculine. And so to offset that, and this 951 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,360 was the rise of, you know, feminist movement. 952 00:58:43,310 --> 00:58:46,950 Dmitri George had this publication that came out in 953 00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:53,630 1986 called Asteroid Goddesses, which was kind of rolling up all 954 00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:56,710 of these ideas that had started to be developed in the 1970s. 955 00:58:56,950 --> 00:59:00,950 Eleanor Bach is really kind of maybe identified with the first 956 00:59:00,950 --> 00:59:03,750 person that had asteroids in their ephemeris. 957 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,480 The ephemeris is like the paper version of transits. 958 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,520 So it calculates where a planet would be, you know, before they 959 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,360 had apps. And she had that ephemeris 960 00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:18,200 published in 1973. So Dimitri George is a big 961 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,920 figure in astrology, especially like in the feminist kind of 962 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:28,660 aspects of astrology in 1986. So there have been obviously a 963 00:59:28,660 --> 00:59:31,900 lot of interest that has kind of retained over the years. 964 00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:37,020 In the 1990s it was huge, right? In the 1980s maybe astrology 965 00:59:37,020 --> 00:59:40,820 became part of this kind of like new age quote UN quote movement 966 00:59:41,580 --> 00:59:45,220 that had things like meditations and crystals and just this whole 967 00:59:45,220 --> 00:59:47,460 kind of like witchy, but they wouldn't call it witchy, they 968 00:59:47,460 --> 00:59:49,660 call it new new age or very woo woo, right. 969 00:59:50,460 --> 00:59:54,860 In the 1990s that self help or practical psychology became 970 00:59:54,860 --> 00:59:59,740 popular and really in the 2000s is when we saw astrology kind of 971 00:59:59,740 --> 01:00:04,580 drop off in interest. But maybe it was in the, you 972 01:00:04,580 --> 01:00:07,100 know, 2006. Some people point to that being 973 01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:09,860 the turning point where Cosmos and Psyche was published. 974 01:00:10,660 --> 01:00:14,580 And this is, you know, we talked about that previously where the 975 01:00:14,580 --> 01:00:17,620 academic point of view of mundane astrology was kind of 976 01:00:17,620 --> 01:00:20,220 pointed to. But I think it probably more 977 01:00:20,220 --> 01:00:24,620 importantly was the Internet's ability to give resources and to 978 01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:26,710 make. All of these kind of like 979 01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:31,710 ancient texts more available to astrologers that really was just 980 01:00:31,710 --> 01:00:35,710 the gasoline on the fire. I mean astrology has I don't 981 01:00:35,710 --> 01:00:38,710 know, I I couldn't even quantify the growth in such a short 982 01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:41,990 period of time because of because of the Internet. 983 01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:44,990 But it is just more than gasoline on fire. 984 01:00:44,990 --> 01:00:48,550 I don't know. It's it's hydrogen to fire and 985 01:00:48,550 --> 01:00:51,230 how it has grown, the technologies and and 986 01:00:52,070 --> 01:00:56,310 conversations and communities and that leads us to kind of 987 01:00:56,310 --> 01:01:01,110 where we are right now. So yeah, we just went 25,000 988 01:01:01,110 --> 01:01:04,310 years. And didn't age 25 minutes. 989 01:01:06,310 --> 01:01:08,510 Yeah, I feel aged, but that's okay. 990 01:01:09,350 --> 01:01:14,310 Hopefully the listeners do not. So, so do you think so in the 991 01:01:14,310 --> 01:01:19,350 70s and 1970s when we had like this rise of? 992 01:01:19,980 --> 01:01:21,980 Amenity. We started adding asteroids in 993 01:01:21,980 --> 01:01:23,500 there. Like do you think the whole 994 01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:26,780 world experienced astrology that way or is that like purely an 995 01:01:26,780 --> 01:01:31,140 American onset like I'm thinking about, like in collective 996 01:01:31,140 --> 01:01:33,460 cultures where maybe there isn't as much emphasis on the 997 01:01:33,460 --> 01:01:35,580 individual? Like did they experience 998 01:01:35,580 --> 01:01:39,420 astrology in the same way that like Americans experience 999 01:01:39,420 --> 01:01:41,740 astrology? Or is it more of that mundane 1000 01:01:41,740 --> 01:01:45,660 astrology and less focus on like individual astrology. 1001 01:01:48,110 --> 01:01:52,430 Well I think the feminist movement in the US was very US 1002 01:01:52,430 --> 01:01:57,710 centric but it of course you know you know especially United 1003 01:01:57,710 --> 01:02:02,030 Kingdom and the US have often very similar histories in terms 1004 01:02:02,030 --> 01:02:08,790 of social ideas and norms. But I have no idea like the how 1005 01:02:09,470 --> 01:02:13,950 what the non American viewpoint is from that kind of like 1960s 1006 01:02:13,950 --> 01:02:17,630 and beyond and even kind of spiritualism wasn't. 1007 01:02:18,260 --> 01:02:22,740 I mean was certainly something that was you know popular in you 1008 01:02:22,740 --> 01:02:26,060 know English speaking European countries that I know of. 1009 01:02:26,060 --> 01:02:30,380 But yeah, I haven't researched too much like what other 1010 01:02:30,380 --> 01:02:33,060 countries, especially like non-english speaking countries, 1011 01:02:33,060 --> 01:02:36,740 how they experienced history. And so to be, yeah, I think it's 1012 01:02:36,740 --> 01:02:40,420 a great call out that I'm really addressing history from my 1013 01:02:40,420 --> 01:02:46,070 American point of view and only acknowledging those kinds of 1014 01:02:46,070 --> 01:02:48,550 meaningful changes. But there's so much. 1015 01:02:48,550 --> 01:02:50,790 Obviously I mean 25,000 years worth of history. 1016 01:02:50,790 --> 01:02:59,510 I just lost over a huge portion of information and maybe that 1017 01:02:59,510 --> 01:03:07,070 does need to be pointed out. I just, I'm so curious, you 1018 01:03:07,070 --> 01:03:09,550 know, because we, I feel like Americans experience. 1019 01:03:10,780 --> 01:03:14,060 A lot of astrology on that individual level, especially 1020 01:03:14,060 --> 01:03:16,380 once we started like publishing horoscopes and like, it's all 1021 01:03:16,380 --> 01:03:19,620 like about you and your sign and your Natal chart. 1022 01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:22,060 And I'm like, is that is that still the truth? 1023 01:03:22,060 --> 01:03:24,700 Cuz I find that one like Eastern things come Western. 1024 01:03:25,140 --> 01:03:27,340 Yep. We like, individualize the fuck 1025 01:03:27,340 --> 01:03:30,180 out of them. What happens? 1026 01:03:30,180 --> 01:03:33,740 Does that go back or or does it? They're just like, Oh no, the 1027 01:03:33,740 --> 01:03:35,900 Westerns, they do their own thing. 1028 01:03:35,940 --> 01:03:38,580 We're still gonna look at things holistically. 1029 01:03:39,380 --> 01:03:43,540 Well, I yeah, I mean, I think that in general, like, quote UN 1030 01:03:43,540 --> 01:03:46,580 quote, astrologers have always been interested beyond 1031 01:03:46,580 --> 01:03:49,380 individual influences interpretations. 1032 01:03:49,380 --> 01:03:54,260 But you have to have an access point and if you are going to 1033 01:03:55,060 --> 01:03:59,620 promote a astrology, you have to do it from hey, here's about 1034 01:03:59,620 --> 01:04:03,340 you, here's about your love life and your health and you know, 1035 01:04:03,340 --> 01:04:05,420 your money. Like you have to make it that 1036 01:04:05,420 --> 01:04:10,220 way for it to be popular. So the last thing I'll say just 1037 01:04:10,220 --> 01:04:14,980 about the developments over time, I think one big one was 1038 01:04:14,980 --> 01:04:16,980 telescopes, right? I just wanted telescopes. 1039 01:04:16,980 --> 01:04:23,540 So this is so relevant. But you know, telescopes were 1040 01:04:23,700 --> 01:04:26,540 really created maybe the first time we would see this is in the 1041 01:04:26,540 --> 01:04:30,380 Netherlands and the 1608 was the number that I found. 1042 01:04:31,300 --> 01:04:35,540 And then we also had a ton of Around that same time, lots of 1043 01:04:35,580 --> 01:04:42,630 other makers came out. And because of this, we actually 1044 01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:46,990 didn't discover Uranus until 1781. 1045 01:04:47,710 --> 01:04:49,310 Isn't that crazy? Yeah. 1046 01:04:49,630 --> 01:04:51,870 And that wasn't worth. Obviously it wasn't worth. 1047 01:04:52,550 --> 01:04:57,230 It wasn't with that same telescope that was created in 1048 01:04:57,230 --> 01:05:00,230 the 1600s. It was with a more progressed 1049 01:05:00,230 --> 01:05:02,470 and more advanced Herschel telescope. 1050 01:05:02,750 --> 01:05:06,830 Neptune was officially discovered in 1846. 1051 01:05:09,050 --> 01:05:11,850 Of course, around the same time there were some other people who 1052 01:05:11,850 --> 01:05:17,690 also predicted it, meaning like they could see the influence of 1053 01:05:17,810 --> 01:05:22,570 the planetary body on stars. And so they said, hey, we think 1054 01:05:22,570 --> 01:05:23,970 it's out there. But it wasn't officially 1055 01:05:23,970 --> 01:05:29,650 discovered until that 1846 number Pluto was discovered 1056 01:05:30,050 --> 01:05:35,500 again, 1930. Now we all think now of Pluto 1057 01:05:35,500 --> 01:05:39,780 being a dwarf planet, but yeah, still planet. 1058 01:05:40,780 --> 01:05:47,940 But again, you know, both both Neptune and Pluto both had these 1059 01:05:47,940 --> 01:05:52,140 kind of people who came before the official discovery date 1060 01:05:52,140 --> 01:05:55,100 saying, hey, we can see that there are gravitational pulls 1061 01:05:55,100 --> 01:06:01,140 and abnormalities that point to the idea that there is a planet 1062 01:06:01,180 --> 01:06:04,380 in this space. Yeah, 1930 Pluto. 1063 01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:05,460 No, it's crazy. Crazy, right? 1064 01:06:07,020 --> 01:06:11,420 So that that talks about more of the like when they talk about 1065 01:06:11,420 --> 01:06:14,100 like the original ruler of something and they're not 1066 01:06:14,140 --> 01:06:17,620 acknowledging like Neptune and Pluto and Uranus. 1067 01:06:17,700 --> 01:06:20,620 Yeah, right. Yeah, like Hellenic astrology 1068 01:06:20,620 --> 01:06:24,880 didn't have any, clearly, right. Didn't have any of these planets 1069 01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,720 when that was created. And so yeah, there's tons of 1070 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:34,680 information that they could see and and could observe and 1071 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,280 created associations before these discovered planets. 1072 01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,880 And so when these planets were discovered, so interesting to 1073 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,320 think about, like what was the thought process that made Pluto 1074 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,640 be the planet of transitions and change? 1075 01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,560 And you know, like who decided that and how did we figure that 1076 01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,540 out? I'm not sure. 1077 01:06:53,540 --> 01:06:55,620 And that's a whole another deep dive that you could take if you 1078 01:06:55,620 --> 01:06:59,420 wanted to. That's the 201, so I don't know. 1079 01:06:59,500 --> 01:07:03,740 201 Astrology class, I feel like that's like 401, you know the 1080 01:07:03,740 --> 01:07:08,780 idea of like how did associations, how did they, how 1081 01:07:08,780 --> 01:07:12,780 were they created And I doubt that there's even great 1082 01:07:12,780 --> 01:07:15,940 documentation that points to 1 clear answer, you know. 1083 01:07:16,940 --> 01:07:22,140 So OK, I think we did good. We went over build it all, the 1084 01:07:22,140 --> 01:07:28,980 history of both me and of astrology as it appears to an 1085 01:07:28,980 --> 01:07:31,620 American. So we're gonna transition now 1086 01:07:31,620 --> 01:07:33,180 into Earth. Topics. 1087 01:07:33,860 --> 01:07:37,220 Ready. Challenges, challenges, 1088 01:07:37,260 --> 01:07:39,580 integrations, yeah. Challenges. 1089 01:07:39,620 --> 01:07:41,860 I don't even know how you're going to, like, succinctly cover 1090 01:07:41,860 --> 01:07:43,900 this. I'm not going to succinctly do 1091 01:07:43,900 --> 01:07:47,180 it, but I'll try to do it. I'm going to 1st kind of talk 1092 01:07:47,180 --> 01:07:51,180 about some ways of thinking about astrology or ways I'm 1093 01:07:51,180 --> 01:07:53,500 thinking about astrology and that I've observed other people 1094 01:07:53,500 --> 01:07:57,420 thinking about it. And then we'll get into kind of 1095 01:07:57,420 --> 01:08:03,300 some of these more tactical or problematic kind of questions 1096 01:08:03,300 --> 01:08:05,620 that we should answer. But the first thing I want to 1097 01:08:05,620 --> 01:08:11,100 say is, like in our culture, astrology has been woefully 1098 01:08:11,740 --> 01:08:15,340 oversimplified, right? And the reason it's been 1099 01:08:15,340 --> 01:08:19,420 oversimplified is because we have to make it palatable for 1100 01:08:19,420 --> 01:08:22,460 people to understand. And we already talked about that 1101 01:08:22,460 --> 01:08:24,979 Publication in the newspaper is kind of where we first started 1102 01:08:24,979 --> 01:08:27,779 to see that, and that took off. And so it kind of continued, 1103 01:08:27,779 --> 01:08:29,380 right? Even to this day. 1104 01:08:29,939 --> 01:08:34,939 We have astrology being published on magazine apps and 1105 01:08:34,939 --> 01:08:37,420 all over the place, and it still talks about sun sign, which to 1106 01:08:37,420 --> 01:08:41,180 me is like, are we still there? We're still gonna talk about sun 1107 01:08:41,260 --> 01:08:42,420 signs. Okay. 1108 01:08:42,420 --> 01:08:43,819 All right. Well, we're still there, All 1109 01:08:43,899 --> 01:08:48,220 right. But for me, I can also see the 1110 01:08:48,220 --> 01:08:50,859 silver lining in that because it's been kind of 1111 01:08:50,859 --> 01:08:56,130 oversimplified, I can talk about astrology around people that 1112 01:08:56,130 --> 01:08:59,770 would otherwise be totally kind of like freaked out If I were to 1113 01:08:59,770 --> 01:09:02,930 talk about other forms of divination like ruins or terror 1114 01:09:02,930 --> 01:09:05,330 or pendulums or scribe, right, all these other things, they'd 1115 01:09:05,370 --> 01:09:08,770 be like, that's witchcraft. But when I talk about astrology, 1116 01:09:08,850 --> 01:09:12,649 it's like, oh, you're just being kind of funny and woo woo, which 1117 01:09:12,649 --> 01:09:15,090 is so interesting. I think the reason that it that 1118 01:09:15,090 --> 01:09:18,370 it is so acceptable is because it has had such a long 1119 01:09:18,370 --> 01:09:23,410 documented history and because who's answering the questions 1120 01:09:23,410 --> 01:09:24,810 when you're talking about astrology? 1121 01:09:25,330 --> 01:09:26,850 Where are the messages coming from? 1122 01:09:26,850 --> 01:09:29,290 When we're talking about astrology, we're saying, well, 1123 01:09:29,290 --> 01:09:33,010 these planetary bodies are having this influence and so 1124 01:09:33,010 --> 01:09:39,410 therefore it's not like a dead ancestor or a God or elemental 1125 01:09:39,490 --> 01:09:42,850 anything. To yourself because you're not 1126 01:09:42,850 --> 01:09:46,640 like using these kind of woo woo energies and you're just talking 1127 01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,479 about these things we can all observe, then it's more 1128 01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,800 acceptable, which I just think is like literally. 1129 01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:54,600 During like scientific, like, I feel like when people understand 1130 01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,160 there's more than just a sudden sign and then you talk about 1131 01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,880 like where the plant like then it it feels like there's 1132 01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:04,800 legitimacy to it because it feels like there's a extensive 1133 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,200 study and things like that. When we talk about Tara, they're 1134 01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,250 just like. They're just looking at some 1135 01:10:09,250 --> 01:10:11,370 cards and guessing some shit, you know what I mean? 1136 01:10:11,410 --> 01:10:15,250 So it brings a level of, like, legitimacy that I think people 1137 01:10:15,250 --> 01:10:19,050 are really interested in, but also don't find accessible in 1138 01:10:19,050 --> 01:10:22,250 the sense that they don't know how to read a Natal chart, like, 1139 01:10:22,250 --> 01:10:23,570 off the bat. And it's the same thing with 1140 01:10:23,570 --> 01:10:25,370 tarot cards. But we don't feel that way. 1141 01:10:25,370 --> 01:10:28,810 When you get an astrology reading, yeah, I mean, you just 1142 01:10:28,810 --> 01:10:31,450 put like a number associated with something and all of a 1143 01:10:31,450 --> 01:10:35,090 sudden it becomes like, smart and valid, right? 1144 01:10:35,090 --> 01:10:38,370 Like. You're Sagittarius and 15 1145 01:10:38,370 --> 01:10:40,570 degrees, and they're like, that's geometry. 1146 01:10:40,610 --> 01:10:42,050 That's legitimate. I learned that. 1147 01:10:42,330 --> 01:10:44,730 Yeah, isn't that so funny? So funny. 1148 01:10:45,770 --> 01:10:50,170 I mean, I literally will go into leadership meetings and say, OK 1149 01:10:50,170 --> 01:10:53,980 guys, listen, Venus is in retrograde, so let's be nice to 1150 01:10:53,980 --> 01:10:55,460 each other. Let's point out what we love 1151 01:10:55,460 --> 01:10:57,380 about each other. Like, I can literally say that 1152 01:10:57,580 --> 01:10:59,940 And even the Christians in the room are like, okay, Yeah, let's 1153 01:10:59,940 --> 01:11:02,420 talk about that. You know, it's it's so 1154 01:11:02,580 --> 01:11:06,060 interesting to me how palatable astrology is in our culture 1155 01:11:06,060 --> 01:11:10,300 right now. So I think that the it's 1156 01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:14,460 important for us to talk about how you can think about 1157 01:11:14,460 --> 01:11:18,420 astrology working. And this is so misunderstood, 1158 01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:21,140 right? I'll talk about later on how 1159 01:11:22,890 --> 01:11:26,610 maybe people with opposing viewpoints view astrology versus 1160 01:11:26,610 --> 01:11:31,610 like how I view astrology. So I think there is a, I think a 1161 01:11:31,610 --> 01:11:36,450 beautiful point of entry for someone for a new person is this 1162 01:11:37,330 --> 01:11:41,130 author and astrologer name called. 1163 01:11:41,130 --> 01:11:42,970 I think it's so funny when people say called instead of 1164 01:11:42,970 --> 01:11:45,290 named. It's what I'm calling them, but 1165 01:11:45,290 --> 01:11:46,850 I don't know what they want to be named. 1166 01:11:47,290 --> 01:11:53,170 Yeah, right. So Elisa Kelly will put some 1167 01:11:53,210 --> 01:11:56,610 show notes here, has this has this book that she recently 1168 01:11:56,610 --> 01:11:58,530 published called This Is Your Destiny. 1169 01:11:58,530 --> 01:12:04,650 I discovered Elisa. She was like People magazine. 1170 01:12:04,650 --> 01:12:06,210 She's the astrologer for People magazine. 1171 01:12:06,210 --> 01:12:12,790 She's just really funny. Very millennial and you know 1172 01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:17,030 just like total Instagram influencer person, but also has 1173 01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:19,710 like you know just has the accurate information and it's 1174 01:12:19,710 --> 01:12:21,750 not inaccurate. So for me it was very palatable. 1175 01:12:23,230 --> 01:12:26,150 The way that she talks about kind of her understanding of 1176 01:12:26,150 --> 01:12:33,590 astrology is the idea that it astrology is like as you're 1177 01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:39,130 looking at a clock, you know that that clock is not dictating 1178 01:12:39,130 --> 01:12:42,050 the time, but is rather reflecting what time it is. 1179 01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:49,810 And so when the hand of the minute and the hour gets to noon 1180 01:12:49,930 --> 01:12:55,250 o'clock midday, it just happens to be that the sun is overhead 1181 01:12:55,290 --> 01:12:59,320 at that same time, right? That is, the clock is reflecting 1182 01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,200 what is happening. The clock is not making the sun 1183 01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:06,800 go over your head that it just happens to be what is correlated 1184 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,840 to that time, not causated, right? 1185 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:13,040 And so this idea of correlation and causation is massively 1186 01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,000 important to any critical thinker. 1187 01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:20,330 I think this is like something where we could prevent 80% of 1188 01:13:20,330 --> 01:13:22,530 misinformation. Again, that's a really funny 1189 01:13:22,530 --> 01:13:24,050 statement because I couldn't quantify that. 1190 01:13:24,090 --> 01:13:29,290 So it is misinformation, right? So but an estimation. 1191 01:13:30,210 --> 01:13:34,530 But I think, yeah, so many things I hear that our fallacies 1192 01:13:34,530 --> 01:13:38,370 are created because people are using causation versus 1193 01:13:38,370 --> 01:13:41,810 correlation and I'll point to this in another article here. 1194 01:13:41,810 --> 01:13:45,930 But so when we're talking about, you know, planets and planetary 1195 01:13:45,930 --> 01:13:51,130 transits and you know the Zodiac and and how systems, we're 1196 01:13:51,130 --> 01:13:56,290 really just looking at the cosmos as a clock that is 1197 01:13:56,290 --> 01:13:59,170 pointing to a certain time. And what we know is during that 1198 01:13:59,170 --> 01:14:02,010 time these things tend to happen and there's just this 1199 01:14:02,010 --> 01:14:06,450 correlation between reality and what's being reflected above. 1200 01:14:06,970 --> 01:14:09,850 So I think that clock on the wall kind of analogy works 1201 01:14:09,850 --> 01:14:12,930 really well for me. And it helps me explain this 1202 01:14:12,970 --> 01:14:15,610 easily to people because the clock doesn't make time. 1203 01:14:15,610 --> 01:14:18,560 It literally is just reflecting at the time. 1204 01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,640 And so it could be that you eat lunch. 1205 01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,440 It could be that you don't eat lunch at noon, right? 1206 01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:25,560 Lots of people don't. And so this you have free will. 1207 01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:30,840 Fate is not determined. The stars like Mars isn't making 1208 01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,240 you do anything. It just happens to be the case 1209 01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,840 that when Mars is in Virgo, you tend to be pretty productive at 1210 01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,040 work or at least have a lot of movement happening or 1211 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,400 challenges. Yeah, I don't know. 1212 01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,080 Do you? Does that resonate with you? 1213 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,320 No, it I think it really does because it I think when people 1214 01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,760 can relate things in their own life and be like, oh, that seems 1215 01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,080 out there, but then you relate it to something that, like they 1216 01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,160 actually do and they're like, oh, maybe I need to rethink all 1217 01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,120 of my thoughts on this thing, you know what I mean? 1218 01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,200 And it's like it's very much I think the same thing with 1219 01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,040 Christianity when people are like, oh, well, that belief 1220 01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,040 system's so wild. And I'm like we literally 1221 01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,840 believe in a sky daddy who made the rules and made people 1222 01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,240 imperfect and then holds people accountable. 1223 01:15:12,900 --> 01:15:14,940 For the rules that they made when they made the people 1224 01:15:14,940 --> 01:15:18,860 imperfect, like, do we see how that sounds kind of wild too, if 1225 01:15:18,860 --> 01:15:20,780 you weren't part of that belief system. 1226 01:15:21,060 --> 01:15:24,020 And so it's it's, I think it's interesting when we point to 1227 01:15:24,020 --> 01:15:27,140 something that, like, everybody can reference like a clock and 1228 01:15:27,140 --> 01:15:29,820 we're like, yeah, so you're already doing this thing. 1229 01:15:29,860 --> 01:15:32,380 You just don't realize you're doing it and you're like, oh, 1230 01:15:32,460 --> 01:15:34,180 crap, right? No, you're right. 1231 01:15:34,820 --> 01:15:38,740 Yeah, I mean that. Yeah, again, So I think that 1232 01:15:38,740 --> 01:15:40,100 could be one way of thinking about it. 1233 01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:44,620 I think all astrologers will say that astrology and the 1234 01:15:44,620 --> 01:15:47,380 interpretation of astrology is literally just giving you a map 1235 01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:50,660 of potential realities, right. So when we talk about a Natal 1236 01:15:50,660 --> 01:15:56,090 chart, we talk about, hey, here are some potential personality 1237 01:15:56,090 --> 01:16:01,370 traits or life trajectories that could be influenced. 1238 01:16:01,370 --> 01:16:04,650 And the different ways that those things tend to manifest 1239 01:16:04,890 --> 01:16:07,570 are often really interesting to astrologers, right? 1240 01:16:07,570 --> 01:16:12,250 When you go to an astrologer and you have your chart read and 1241 01:16:12,250 --> 01:16:14,890 they ask you things like, have you ever experienced this? 1242 01:16:14,970 --> 01:16:18,450 And your answer to that is so interesting to astrologers 1243 01:16:18,450 --> 01:16:22,660 because how that manifests in your life is so different than 1244 01:16:22,660 --> 01:16:24,340 how that manifests for someone else. 1245 01:16:24,340 --> 01:16:26,980 And they're still kind of in the same direction, but just in a 1246 01:16:26,980 --> 01:16:30,540 completely different route. So it's certainly not 1247 01:16:31,140 --> 01:16:33,780 perscriptive, nor is it causation. 1248 01:16:34,020 --> 01:16:38,380 It's more correlation and potential, right? 1249 01:16:40,540 --> 01:16:44,780 OK, So last thing I'm going to say about kind of philosophies 1250 01:16:44,820 --> 01:16:48,860 is that I don't know and I don't know if they should go here or 1251 01:16:48,860 --> 01:16:52,060 somewhere else. But there is so much overlap 1252 01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:58,100 between Hermetic belief systems and theories and Hermeticism, 1253 01:16:58,500 --> 01:17:03,340 which Ptolemy was also you know influential in and astrology 1254 01:17:03,340 --> 01:17:05,620 right. So some things around like as 1255 01:17:05,620 --> 01:17:10,300 above, so below the principle of correspondence is the the 1256 01:17:10,300 --> 01:17:14,700 principle of rhythm. All of these things are, you 1257 01:17:14,700 --> 01:17:17,950 know, if you're going to get into astrology, it's probably 1258 01:17:17,950 --> 01:17:22,110 also worth diving into some hermetic principles and seeing 1259 01:17:22,110 --> 01:17:25,710 how that plays out in astrology. I'll just put that kind of like 1260 01:17:25,710 --> 01:17:28,550 little snippet there and let people play with it if they want 1261 01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:29,990 to. You're like and here's a 1262 01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:32,430 potential rabbit hole for you. Yeah. 1263 01:17:34,230 --> 01:17:37,870 And thank you. OK, so I do want to talk about 1264 01:17:37,870 --> 01:17:40,430 how you can use astrology and integrate it into your life and 1265 01:17:40,430 --> 01:17:41,670 where to start and all that good stuff. 1266 01:17:41,670 --> 01:17:46,250 But before I get into that, I would be remiss to not address 1267 01:17:47,010 --> 01:17:54,210 the elephant in the room in our modern popular society in the 1268 01:17:54,210 --> 01:17:58,170 US, which is Christianity's connection? 1269 01:17:58,170 --> 01:18:01,810 Relationship with astrology, right? 1270 01:18:02,130 --> 01:18:07,690 And I am very sensitive to create any kind of polarized 1271 01:18:09,250 --> 01:18:13,460 planes around Christianity because Christians are as 1272 01:18:13,460 --> 01:18:19,340 diverse as any, you know, witchy person out there, right. 1273 01:18:19,380 --> 01:18:23,460 And so there is a book that they, maybe some of them point 1274 01:18:23,460 --> 01:18:25,820 to, some of them don't, right. Some some Christians don't even 1275 01:18:27,100 --> 01:18:30,740 take the Old Testament. So there's a lot of dissonance 1276 01:18:30,780 --> 01:18:35,490 in what quote UN quote Christians, which is a useless 1277 01:18:35,490 --> 01:18:38,330 umbrella term, really all you know. 1278 01:18:38,410 --> 01:18:42,290 Really big umbrella. Like it's it's like such a use. 1279 01:18:42,370 --> 01:18:45,330 It's so big that like the rain would blow in sideways. 1280 01:18:45,570 --> 01:18:49,930 It's it has no purpose. Like Christians, maybe the only 1281 01:18:49,930 --> 01:18:52,690 thing that connects them is they acknowledge Jesus. 1282 01:18:53,410 --> 01:18:55,770 They acknowledge heaven and hell. 1283 01:18:56,210 --> 01:19:01,390 They so a lot of them don't acknowledge the devil you know 1284 01:19:01,390 --> 01:19:03,590 so like. And now all of them, they 1285 01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:06,550 believe in a one true God. But there's also like Catholic 1286 01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:08,630 part that's like holy goat, There's a Trinity. 1287 01:19:08,670 --> 01:19:10,630 Trinity, Yeah, The whole thing going on. 1288 01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:12,870 Yeah, yeah. So I mean to try to say that 1289 01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:15,310 like, oh, here's what Christians believe and they're wrong and 1290 01:19:15,310 --> 01:19:18,950 that, you know, like that's not helpful, nor is it capturing. 1291 01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:22,350 Like, I have a lot of Christian friends like that know that I 1292 01:19:22,350 --> 01:19:24,390 practice witchcraft. And we talk about the 1293 01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:28,230 differences between monotheistic religions and polytheistic 1294 01:19:28,230 --> 01:19:30,830 religions and have really productive discourse around 1295 01:19:30,830 --> 01:19:35,630 those things with no problem. You know, like there is no, I 1296 01:19:35,630 --> 01:19:40,230 think it's really important when we're out interacting with any 1297 01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:45,630 religious person that we have tacked and we have, we really 1298 01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:49,190 ask people what do they believe and why rather than have 1299 01:19:49,190 --> 01:19:51,910 assumptions around what Christianity means, right. 1300 01:19:52,350 --> 01:19:57,630 So just to put that out there. So I'm going to have all of the 1301 01:19:59,060 --> 01:20:03,660 reverence and sensitivity here when I'm addressing the 1302 01:20:03,660 --> 01:20:08,420 challenges that Christians could have and maybe should have with 1303 01:20:08,860 --> 01:20:12,620 astrology based in some of references. 1304 01:20:12,620 --> 01:20:18,340 So I have two websites here, just cursory research. 1305 01:20:18,380 --> 01:20:23,310 One is. Christianpure.com So Christian 1306 01:20:23,310 --> 01:20:28,550 word pure like pure.com and christianity.com. 1307 01:20:28,590 --> 01:20:30,550 So I'll put these links and so people can check it out. 1308 01:20:31,790 --> 01:20:35,630 And both of these sites are, you know, big front. 1309 01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:37,950 When you search it, it comes up right away. 1310 01:20:39,470 --> 01:20:41,550 And they're just really big sites with tons of website 1311 01:20:41,550 --> 01:20:43,230 traffic. And so there's two things that I 1312 01:20:43,230 --> 01:20:47,430 think were useful to understand. One article that I'm referencing 1313 01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:50,350 here, which is what Christians should know about the study of 1314 01:20:50,350 --> 01:20:55,750 astrology, is that number that the primary thing here is that 1315 01:20:55,750 --> 01:21:03,510 it literally says in the Bible that divination is not good, nor 1316 01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:07,750 does God approve of divination. I just want to read this like 1317 01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:10,950 quote here and I want to read this quote because I think it's 1318 01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:14,650 going to point out how they are misunderstanding. 1319 01:21:14,770 --> 01:21:18,410 This particular author is misunderstanding how astrologers 1320 01:21:18,410 --> 01:21:22,290 even think about astrology and then is using that to discount 1321 01:21:22,290 --> 01:21:29,370 and contrast the value or maybe how why astrology isn't OK. 1322 01:21:29,370 --> 01:21:34,930 So this person says astrology is a belief and corresponding study 1323 01:21:34,930 --> 01:21:38,290 and analysis that one's personality and destiny are 1324 01:21:38,290 --> 01:21:43,580 governed by astronomical phenomena at the same at the 1325 01:21:43,580 --> 01:21:46,300 time of their birth and then throughout their life. 1326 01:21:47,020 --> 01:21:50,780 So in other words, this is what continuing in other words, your 1327 01:21:50,780 --> 01:21:55,820 fate, your fortune and your entire life is to a very great 1328 01:21:55,820 --> 01:21:59,260 extent determined by the sun, moon, stars and planet. 1329 01:21:59,940 --> 01:22:03,860 The underlying principle is that positions of those heavenly 1330 01:22:03,860 --> 01:22:08,930 bodies have the power to influence not only your persona 1331 01:22:08,930 --> 01:22:12,450 and behavior, but to impact your daily, weekly, and monthly 1332 01:22:13,010 --> 01:22:15,770 events of your life. Okay, what do you hear that is a 1333 01:22:15,770 --> 01:22:20,770 problem with that statement? Causation, not correlation. 1334 01:22:20,850 --> 01:22:23,810 That's what I'm hearing, yeah. Yeah. 1335 01:22:23,930 --> 01:22:31,040 And if that was how astrology worked or how most astrologers 1336 01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:33,240 thought about it, I could understand the challenge that 1337 01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,760 you have with that. There are, yeah. 1338 01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:39,040 Like if you think that. It's it's directly converse to 1339 01:22:39,480 --> 01:22:42,200 the beliefs then, like, sure, yeah, yeah. 1340 01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,400 Because you're like, no, no, no. The sun doesn't tell me what to 1341 01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,240 do. God tells me what to do and 1342 01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:50,920 God's will and God has my, you know, has my future laid out for 1343 01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:52,880 me and and everything's part of his plan, right. 1344 01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:55,640 Or some Christians. Believe their friend. 1345 01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:59,270 You know the free will piece of that, like, well, if the sun, 1346 01:22:59,270 --> 01:23:03,350 moon, stars, planets determine all of this, then what do I have 1347 01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:05,670 free will? Is that a real thing that you 1348 01:23:05,670 --> 01:23:06,710 know? Yeah. 1349 01:23:06,710 --> 01:23:09,870 So if that is your interpretation of astrology, 1350 01:23:09,870 --> 01:23:12,910 sure, that's, you know, then Christian should not 1351 01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:15,710 participate. But that isn't how I understand 1352 01:23:15,710 --> 01:23:16,830 astrology. So there's that. 1353 01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:21,150 The second part, the second reference here with the 1354 01:23:21,230 --> 01:23:24,570 Christian pure.com. This is a really interesting 1355 01:23:24,570 --> 01:23:27,050 article and I actually want to kind of dive deeper into some of 1356 01:23:27,050 --> 01:23:29,730 its citations. This article has a ton of 1357 01:23:29,810 --> 01:23:36,010 biblical references that literally says that you cannot 1358 01:23:36,530 --> 01:23:41,730 believe in astrology because there are many things that point 1359 01:23:41,730 --> 01:23:45,490 to the stars. Jesus's birth. 1360 01:23:46,130 --> 01:23:50,330 How did the wise men get to the Manger? 1361 01:23:50,850 --> 01:23:54,270 They followed Star. Yeah, yeah, okay. 1362 01:23:54,270 --> 01:23:57,150 But then in other aspects, and This is why I think this article 1363 01:23:57,150 --> 01:24:00,230 is so interesting. In other tellings, there was a 1364 01:24:00,230 --> 01:24:07,190 king who had divination via astrology and the interpretation 1365 01:24:07,190 --> 01:24:10,640 and predictions were incorrect. And that was proof in the Bible 1366 01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,600 that astrology was nonsense, right? 1367 01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,960 So this is some story about a failed astrologer. 1368 01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,560 I don't know. And what's fail failure. 1369 01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,920 I don't know, but. And now he damned everyone else 1370 01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:26,480 to be soothsayers. Because that's right, was not 1371 01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:27,760 great at it. Fantastic. 1372 01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,880 And so in this article, essentially what they're saying 1373 01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:35,320 the Bible is saying on the topic is that you can use stars to 1374 01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,640 track time. You're good there. 1375 01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:41,360 You're not sinning. But if you use it to anticipate 1376 01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,920 or to guess what's gonna happen next, divination, then it's bad. 1377 01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:45,840 Thumbs down. So. 1378 01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,960 They're like no, as above, so below. 1379 01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:54,040 No, no, no, no, no, no. That's amazing. 1380 01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:55,720 Yeah. But yeah, I think it's actually 1381 01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:56,520 worth. It's really. 1382 01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:00,440 I mean, for me it's important to try to understand where other 1383 01:25:00,440 --> 01:25:04,040 people come from and to not assume that I know what they 1384 01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,680 believe or what their source text is. 1385 01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:10,360 And so I would really encourage people, if you are, if you have 1386 01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:12,760 Christians in your life and you believe in astrology and you 1387 01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,760 want to have some footing to have actual conversation and 1388 01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:20,960 engage in, in understanding, like check these things out and 1389 01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:24,360 see what they're saying. And, you know, you can see some 1390 01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:26,080 of the fallacies that are being used here. 1391 01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:30,480 But also it, I think, creates a lot of empathy and it would help 1392 01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:32,560 you have a productive conversation if you can say, 1393 01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,840 hey, that thing that you think is not actually how that how we 1394 01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:37,560 think about it or how I think about it. 1395 01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,080 So what if you thought about like this, Do you still have a 1396 01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:41,160 problem with it? Right. 1397 01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:45,520 So maybe they do, but I think it's worth clarifying, okay, 1398 01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:50,960 enough about Christians moving on. 1399 01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:52,080 And it's not just Christians, right? 1400 01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:56,400 There's a lot of other faiths that are monotheistic that have 1401 01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,640 issue with astrology. Okay. 1402 01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:03,720 So let's kind of wrap up with how could we use astrology in 1403 01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:09,760 our daily life. Well, #1 Natal astrology is used 1404 01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:14,560 to understand yourself better. There's ways of analyzing 1405 01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:19,040 yourself that are just naturally built into astrology. 1406 01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:23,840 Whether or not you say you know what, no, I am not those things 1407 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:28,600 that are associated with my cancer sign, my cancer sun sign, 1408 01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:30,600 or you say yeah I am those things. 1409 01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:34,360 The fact that you ask yourself the question, am I an emotional 1410 01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:37,000 person has a shit ton of value, right? 1411 01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:41,160 The fact that you asked yourself that question is a way of better 1412 01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,400 understanding yourself and having some self analysis and 1413 01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:46,420 self reflection. So I would say the value for 1414 01:26:46,420 --> 01:26:49,420 astrology in people's lives. And if I was talking to someone 1415 01:26:49,420 --> 01:26:52,580 who is anti astrology I would literally just say what if this 1416 01:26:52,580 --> 01:26:55,740 was a vehicle for me to ask myself questions about how I see 1417 01:26:55,740 --> 01:26:58,980 myself, right? What did that have inherent 1418 01:26:58,980 --> 01:27:00,580 value? And I think it would. 1419 01:27:01,500 --> 01:27:06,340 There is so Natal astrology definitely a great way to use 1420 01:27:08,100 --> 01:27:10,380 astrology in your daily life to think about those things. 1421 01:27:10,380 --> 01:27:14,260 However, it is a place of privilege to know what time 1422 01:27:14,260 --> 01:27:17,450 you're born, Right. Like, I didn't know until I was, 1423 01:27:17,450 --> 01:27:20,530 I don't know. What was that, 3839, maybe? 1424 01:27:20,530 --> 01:27:25,730 Yeah, 39, No. Yeah, 39 what time I was born, 1425 01:27:25,730 --> 01:27:27,010 Right. Because, you know, my mother 1426 01:27:27,010 --> 01:27:28,930 died when I was young. My father, you know, I don't 1427 01:27:28,930 --> 01:27:31,570 even know if he was there, but like, nobody knew what time I 1428 01:27:31,570 --> 01:27:35,090 was born. And so I had to take a trip to a 1429 01:27:35,090 --> 01:27:36,850 place where they were storing information. 1430 01:27:36,850 --> 01:27:39,550 I had to pay money. I had to take time off of work 1431 01:27:39,550 --> 01:27:41,550 potentially to do those things. And so that's privileged. 1432 01:27:41,910 --> 01:27:44,230 If you don't know if there's no way for you to recover your 1433 01:27:44,230 --> 01:27:47,910 birth time, for instance, if you were born and then adopted 1434 01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:53,030 without records, then there is a process that you can go through 1435 01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:59,550 which is this kind of like birth time rectification is the 1436 01:27:59,550 --> 01:28:02,190 process. There is another thought leader 1437 01:28:02,190 --> 01:28:07,370 who nobody's ever going to listen to this that would then 1438 01:28:07,370 --> 01:28:09,170 relate this message back to this person. 1439 01:28:09,170 --> 01:28:13,370 But Chris Brennan is brilliant, brilliant person is like one. 1440 01:28:14,170 --> 01:28:19,450 Was the president of, like this very prestigious astrological 1441 01:28:19,450 --> 01:28:22,370 organization and maybe if he hears me say this, I'll never be 1442 01:28:22,370 --> 01:28:24,490 able to get a certification with certization. 1443 01:28:24,490 --> 01:28:26,770 Again, I don't know. But bless his heart, he's so 1444 01:28:26,770 --> 01:28:30,730 smart and he is the driest speaker I've ever heard in my 1445 01:28:30,730 --> 01:28:34,150 whole life. Just it is a burden and a curse 1446 01:28:34,150 --> 01:28:37,550 to be so brilliant. I think it's it's a requirement 1447 01:28:37,550 --> 01:28:40,470 that if you are at that level of brilliance that you're 1448 01:28:40,630 --> 01:28:43,110 incapable. Of bringing other people to your 1449 01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:45,550 level of brilliance because you simply can't get the following. 1450 01:28:45,950 --> 01:28:48,150 I'm I'm convinced that it's a requirement. 1451 01:28:48,150 --> 01:28:50,990 It's how the the world balances its energies. 1452 01:28:51,070 --> 01:28:55,070 It's like you have to I I would highly recommend anybody who's 1453 01:28:55,310 --> 01:28:58,910 passionate about astrology and wants to dive into it to at some 1454 01:28:58,910 --> 01:29:02,910 point take on this person's podcast. 1455 01:29:02,910 --> 01:29:05,870 It's a huge podcast, it has a shit ton of followers. 1456 01:29:05,870 --> 01:29:09,030 It's like and it's really meaningful and it covers amazing 1457 01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:13,550 topics and have amazing guests. Chris Brennan love him this. 1458 01:29:13,550 --> 01:29:15,550 Is the 4 hour long ones? Uh, huh. 1459 01:29:16,230 --> 01:29:17,950 Yes. Yeah. 1460 01:29:18,350 --> 01:29:20,070 And there's like no opening music. 1461 01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:22,590 There's no segments. There's no like. 1462 01:29:22,670 --> 01:29:25,770 Right to the point here and we're. 1463 01:29:25,770 --> 01:29:28,770 Gonna do it in four hours and the way that he interacts with 1464 01:29:28,770 --> 01:29:32,210 his guest, it just cracks me up. I just highly recommend it. 1465 01:29:32,210 --> 01:29:34,010 But it's not gonna be entertaining. 1466 01:29:34,010 --> 01:29:35,650 It's gonna be informational and that's okay. 1467 01:29:36,290 --> 01:29:40,780 But yeah, so as a I just wanna give you an example here of the 1468 01:29:40,780 --> 01:29:43,980 way that people approach rectification. 1469 01:29:43,980 --> 01:29:47,140 So he has a quote on the topic where my approach to 1470 01:29:47,140 --> 01:29:50,260 rectification is to identify some of the main themes and 1471 01:29:50,260 --> 01:29:53,540 events that have occurred in a person's life and then attempt 1472 01:29:53,540 --> 01:29:57,180 to match those facts with a chart that falls within the 1473 01:29:57,180 --> 01:30:01,370 available time frame on the person's, you know, date of 1474 01:30:01,370 --> 01:30:03,330 birth. So it's really important to know 1475 01:30:03,330 --> 01:30:06,730 the time of date because we need to know exactly where the moon 1476 01:30:06,730 --> 01:30:08,250 was. We need to know exactly what 1477 01:30:08,250 --> 01:30:10,050 constellation was on the horizon, right? 1478 01:30:10,050 --> 01:30:11,850 We need to know these really important times. 1479 01:30:12,170 --> 01:30:16,850 And so instead of working from the point of information to the 1480 01:30:16,890 --> 01:30:19,130 output, he's working from the output going back in. 1481 01:30:19,130 --> 01:30:26,760 He's saying, OK, well, if, yeah, if you had your son in or not 1482 01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:28,320 son because you know, your son because based on your time. 1483 01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,840 But you know, so we're asking questions about like, what's 1484 01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:31,880 your relationship with your mother? 1485 01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:33,280 What's your relationship with your father? 1486 01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:35,480 What are major life events that have happened? 1487 01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:37,280 How would you describe your personality? 1488 01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:41,800 So by kind of working from the output, we can then kind of 1489 01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:44,240 determine the input through this process of rectification. 1490 01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:47,000 Is it 100% accurate? No. 1491 01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:51,000 But it can certainly give you. There's nothing to, yeah, 1492 01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:52,640 confuse like, you know what I mean? 1493 01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:54,920 Like, what is there to obfuscate it? 1494 01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,840 If you don't have that data, you might as well be like, all 1495 01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,160 right, well, let's, let's work backwards, you know? 1496 01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:02,200 Yeah, Yeah. So that's what that kind of 1497 01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:04,320 rectification is. It's very expensive. 1498 01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:08,000 I'll say that because it's quite labor intensive because somebody 1499 01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:12,040 actually has to really know a lot about you to make a very 1500 01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:15,850 good guess, okay. So that's just kind of like 1501 01:31:15,850 --> 01:31:18,210 Natal chart in your daily life. What are some other ways that 1502 01:31:18,210 --> 01:31:21,290 you can use astrology in your daily life? 1503 01:31:21,290 --> 01:31:23,570 Well, divination, right. We talked about electional 1504 01:31:23,570 --> 01:31:25,930 astrology, which will tell you kind of when you should do 1505 01:31:25,930 --> 01:31:28,330 something. Relational astrology could tell 1506 01:31:28,330 --> 01:31:31,770 you like the dynamics of, you know, what your relationship 1507 01:31:31,770 --> 01:31:34,010 with your child might be like or your partner. 1508 01:31:34,330 --> 01:31:37,310 And then we have our favorite word in the whole world 1509 01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:40,590 horrorary astrology could give you. 1510 01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:44,510 Listen to our podcasts so they can laugh at the number of 1511 01:31:44,590 --> 01:31:46,270 they're gonna. It's gonna be a drinking game. 1512 01:31:46,630 --> 01:31:48,550 It will be. I literally was having the same 1513 01:31:48,630 --> 01:31:51,670 thought. I hope they're drinking water. 1514 01:31:52,430 --> 01:31:54,710 They will be so hydrated. It'll be great. 1515 01:31:55,590 --> 01:31:57,630 But yeah, so there's like just literally using it as 1516 01:31:57,630 --> 01:31:59,030 divination. That would be another way. 1517 01:31:59,830 --> 01:32:06,200 And in order to do this, it is very useful to have a astrology 1518 01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:11,680 app and to find daily transits, moon transits, whatever you're 1519 01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:16,440 focusing on at that time. I will say that I have what do I 1520 01:32:16,440 --> 01:32:18,040 have. I have time passages. 1521 01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:22,960 Yes, I have time passages and I have the paid for version of 1522 01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:26,160 time passages, which allows me to store multiple people's 1523 01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,360 charts and then compare them to my own. 1524 01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:33,640 Or it allows me to see kind of like what their placements are. 1525 01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:39,520 And it's a really interesting place to start from to, like I 1526 01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:42,240 think you commented, I showed you like how many people's 1527 01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:46,870 information I have in my. Why do you have a database of 1528 01:32:46,870 --> 01:32:51,910 every human you've ever met? Oh, it's so funny too, because 1529 01:32:52,110 --> 01:32:54,750 I'm not actually good enough at astrology to be able to tell 1530 01:32:54,750 --> 01:32:56,670 them anything about it. I just go, like, tell me your 1531 01:32:56,670 --> 01:32:59,390 time and enter your information. I go interesting and then move 1532 01:32:59,390 --> 01:33:02,790 on. It's very, I'm like, I can't 1533 01:33:02,790 --> 01:33:05,190 tell anything about it, but I want to be able to reference it 1534 01:33:05,190 --> 01:33:06,550 when I can. Just know. 1535 01:33:06,590 --> 01:33:10,110 That there are people out there who like want your information 1536 01:33:10,110 --> 01:33:12,790 not to scam you, but just so they can like put you as like 1537 01:33:13,270 --> 01:33:18,110 Maria at the bus stop. Then compare your chart and Oak 1538 01:33:18,110 --> 01:33:22,190 is one of those people. Yeah, I have my boss, I have my 1539 01:33:22,190 --> 01:33:27,270 coworkers, I have my friends, partners, my gosh, all over the 1540 01:33:27,270 --> 01:33:28,950 place. But yeah, I think being able to 1541 01:33:28,950 --> 01:33:31,350 store a lot of people's information and then reference 1542 01:33:31,350 --> 01:33:36,190 it, like for instance, one of my coworkers, she's, she just sold 1543 01:33:36,190 --> 01:33:38,030 her house. She broke ground on 1544 01:33:38,030 --> 01:33:40,470 construction. And to see what her placements 1545 01:33:40,470 --> 01:33:43,670 and what her, what's transiting her 4th house right now is like 1546 01:33:43,670 --> 01:33:46,150 foundations and home is so interesting to me. 1547 01:33:46,390 --> 01:33:48,910 So being able to kind of like prove some of these connections 1548 01:33:49,150 --> 01:33:53,750 to myself in real time by almost observing people's lives and 1549 01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:56,150 seeing how that release to their chart has been a really fun 1550 01:33:56,150 --> 01:33:58,270 experiment that I can use on a daily basis. 1551 01:33:59,820 --> 01:34:03,220 The last thing I would say is astrology boards would be a fun 1552 01:34:03,220 --> 01:34:06,340 way to use astrology in your daily life because you can take 1553 01:34:06,340 --> 01:34:10,940 your little cute magnetic planet and put it in a different house 1554 01:34:10,940 --> 01:34:13,740 and like a different system and that would be a fun way to do 1555 01:34:13,740 --> 01:34:16,460 it. I will say that and I guess this 1556 01:34:16,460 --> 01:34:18,860 also falls into my you know, where should you start place, 1557 01:34:19,900 --> 01:34:25,260 but there is a great resource that has, you know, these. 1558 01:34:25,300 --> 01:34:28,260 This team has clearly put a lot of time and effort into it, and 1559 01:34:28,260 --> 01:34:33,320 it's called the Channing App CHANI everybody knows about. 1560 01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:35,520 Yeah, good. Yeah, it is so good. 1561 01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:39,640 And so I these are the two thought leaders that I would say 1562 01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:42,360 that people should start with that are very approachable and 1563 01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:45,120 talk in like very modern terms and very relatable. 1564 01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:51,400 So Elisa Kelly, this is your destiny and use your astrology 1565 01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:55,570 to manifest your best life. That is a easy peasy book. 1566 01:34:55,570 --> 01:34:58,890 I mean it's like I devoured it and I'm not a fast reader 1567 01:34:59,170 --> 01:35:02,490 because it's very, you know, just story based. 1568 01:35:02,490 --> 01:35:07,250 Almost like talking about her life and her experience like 230 1569 01:35:07,250 --> 01:35:09,810 pages or something. That's a great book. 1570 01:35:10,770 --> 01:35:14,690 Alisa Kelly. I'll link her social And then 1571 01:35:14,690 --> 01:35:16,770 the other person is this Channing Nicholas. 1572 01:35:16,930 --> 01:35:20,530 So you were born for this. Astrology for Radical Self 1573 01:35:20,530 --> 01:35:24,840 Acceptance is a New York Times bestseller, if that tells you 1574 01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,800 anything about the popularity of astrology right now. 1575 01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:32,160 And so this is going to kind of help you understand the three 1576 01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:35,920 foundational keys of the sun, the moon and the ascendant or 1577 01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,000 rising and the ruler of those things. 1578 01:35:39,890 --> 01:35:41,970 And again, does it in a really approachable way. 1579 01:35:41,970 --> 01:35:46,170 But Jenny has this beautiful, like super cool, beautiful like 1580 01:35:46,170 --> 01:35:50,330 graphic design app and she has weekly readings that you can get 1581 01:35:50,370 --> 01:35:54,930 on Spotify or if you wanted to get your weekly rising sign, 1582 01:35:54,930 --> 01:35:58,050 because that's actually the kind of horoscopes you should listen 1583 01:35:58,050 --> 01:36:02,610 to that have more relation. Your rising sign will also tell 1584 01:36:02,610 --> 01:36:05,610 you some house systems things, right, Because we know where 1585 01:36:05,610 --> 01:36:07,530 your rising sign is. We know where your first house 1586 01:36:07,530 --> 01:36:09,890 is and therefore your other houses. 1587 01:36:11,410 --> 01:36:15,490 So if you pay, I don't know what the amount is, maybe like $5 a 1588 01:36:15,490 --> 01:36:16,410 month. And then she also has like 1589 01:36:16,410 --> 01:36:18,290 specials. I think like right now she has 1590 01:36:18,530 --> 01:36:21,450 through like Venus Retrograde. They're running like a free 30 1591 01:36:21,450 --> 01:36:24,810 day thing. But that's a yeah, it's a really 1592 01:36:24,810 --> 01:36:31,210 great app that has not only transits and, you know, chart 1593 01:36:31,690 --> 01:36:35,260 generators, but it also has things like meditations and 1594 01:36:35,260 --> 01:36:38,740 journal prompts and like, here's some ideas of what to put on an 1595 01:36:38,740 --> 01:36:42,940 altar if you wanted to, like create a altar for the season. 1596 01:36:44,140 --> 01:36:47,060 It's it's pretty witchy. And so that may not be. 1597 01:36:47,060 --> 01:36:48,980 I mean, if somebody's listening to our fucking podcast and 1598 01:36:48,980 --> 01:36:50,700 clearly they're witchy, so you. Got lost. 1599 01:36:51,100 --> 01:36:53,140 You got all the way to this point and then you're like, 1600 01:36:54,500 --> 01:36:56,180 fuck, I wasn't supposed to be here. 1601 01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:00,960 You aren't listening. Yes Okay. 1602 01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:02,520 So I don't have to like talk to the masses. 1603 01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:03,840 So it's witchy. It's great. 1604 01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:05,320 It's actually not very witchy at all to me. 1605 01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:08,120 It's like more self help but but yeah so Channing app. 1606 01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:11,720 I would definitely recommend that the other place I would 1607 01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:13,600 start. So I have three things so get a 1608 01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,480 thought leader that you're gonna follow them right. 1609 01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:20,780 The other one is to get, you know the chart. 1610 01:37:21,380 --> 01:37:24,660 Get your own chart or get a chart, someone you know really 1611 01:37:24,660 --> 01:37:26,700 intimately, right? If you can't get your own chart, 1612 01:37:26,900 --> 01:37:29,700 then great, just like start from your partner's chart or start 1613 01:37:29,700 --> 01:37:32,060 from your child's chart or your mom's chart, right? 1614 01:37:32,060 --> 01:37:34,980 Something that you know really, really closely and that will 1615 01:37:34,980 --> 01:37:37,060 kind of give you a starting place As you start to learn 1616 01:37:37,060 --> 01:37:41,060 things and think about the different house systems, you 1617 01:37:41,060 --> 01:37:43,340 have to have something to base it in. 1618 01:37:44,060 --> 01:37:46,620 The last thing I would say is to pick a topic. 1619 01:37:47,180 --> 01:37:49,680 Pick one topic. What are some topics we went 1620 01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:52,560 through? House systems, planet 1621 01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:57,600 placements, major aspects. We went through the 1622 01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:01,200 constellation. Yeah, like what does Sagittarius 1623 01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:01,600 mean? Right? 1624 01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:05,960 So pick any one topic and keep going with that until you feel 1625 01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:09,240 comfortable. And some of the best ways to 1626 01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:14,480 explore one topic is through thinking about it from pop 1627 01:38:14,480 --> 01:38:16,680 culture, like Slip. If you're into pop culture, I 1628 01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:18,560 guess if you're into like, not pop culture, I don't know. 1629 01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:20,680 Whatever you're into, like historical figures throughout 1630 01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:23,520 time or I don't know, famous composers. 1631 01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:24,680 Like whatever you nerd out about. 1632 01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:30,920 Like for me, it's valuable to know the placement of 1 1633 01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,560 celebrity and to compare their personalities because they're, 1634 01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:36,410 you know, they're projecting an archetype. 1635 01:38:36,530 --> 01:38:39,370 That's what celebrities do. They're they don't present as 1636 01:38:39,370 --> 01:38:41,370 dynamic because that's not what they're doing. 1637 01:38:41,370 --> 01:38:44,410 They're playing a role. So they purposefully will look 1638 01:38:44,410 --> 01:38:48,450 to be emotional, or they're spiritual, or they're greedy, or 1639 01:38:48,450 --> 01:38:51,610 they're combative. And so when you have this 1640 01:38:51,610 --> 01:38:55,370 oversimplification of a human, it makes it easy to explore that 1641 01:38:55,370 --> 01:38:59,500 topic and to understand. Like, oh, someone's I'm 1642 01:38:59,780 --> 01:39:00,980 forgetting right now, I'll have to Google it. 1643 01:39:00,980 --> 01:39:03,940 But like what? I think there's a lot of like 1644 01:39:03,940 --> 01:39:08,420 Leo placements in the Kardashians. 1645 01:39:09,020 --> 01:39:11,380 Not, yeah, exactly right. That would make a. 1646 01:39:11,540 --> 01:39:13,180 That would make a lot of sense to me. 1647 01:39:13,980 --> 01:39:16,660 Yeah, yeah, yes. But like knowing you know what 1648 01:39:16,660 --> 01:39:20,260 you know about some topic and then connecting it to again, a 1649 01:39:20,260 --> 01:39:23,740 very narrowed, boundary positioned topic is really the 1650 01:39:23,740 --> 01:39:27,350 place to start. Get somebody to follow, pick one 1651 01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:30,910 thing at a time and make sure you have access to a chart of a 1652 01:39:30,910 --> 01:39:34,150 person that you know very well, ideally yourself or someone 1653 01:39:34,190 --> 01:39:36,950 very, very close. That's where I that's where I 1654 01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:38,550 started and that's where I think you should start. 1655 01:39:39,670 --> 01:39:40,830 But I could be wrong, I don't know. 1656 01:39:41,870 --> 01:39:45,790 Maybe you should start with the minor aspects and just Oh my 1657 01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:53,870 God, I like quintiles selescence, like there's so many 1658 01:39:54,070 --> 01:39:55,870 syllables. Quints. 1659 01:39:55,870 --> 01:39:58,630 I watched a Disney movie about quints Once Upon a time. 1660 01:39:58,630 --> 01:40:01,830 I think they had five babies. If I I'm just trying to remember 1661 01:40:01,830 --> 01:40:04,070 what Quint. Is yes. 1662 01:40:04,310 --> 01:40:07,510 Yeah, yeah, we know. Often mom had eight babies. 1663 01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:11,630 But do we know? This is this is how I relate to 1664 01:40:11,630 --> 01:40:13,990 all those things. When they're like 6 tuplets, I'm 1665 01:40:13,990 --> 01:40:16,690 like. One little lady who has six, 1666 01:40:16,890 --> 01:40:18,570 wasn't it six? Yeah, yeah, that was funny. 1667 01:40:21,770 --> 01:40:22,730 Yeah. So. 1668 01:40:23,050 --> 01:40:27,410 Well, that's it. I am so relieved you did it. 1669 01:40:28,090 --> 01:40:30,170 You. Did the damn thing. 1670 01:40:30,690 --> 01:40:32,690 You did it. I only was able to do it because 1671 01:40:32,690 --> 01:40:33,810 you supported me. Danny. 1672 01:40:33,890 --> 01:40:35,570 Okay okay. That's all. 1673 01:40:35,690 --> 01:40:37,610 People listening to this podcast are gonna be like, this is 1674 01:40:37,610 --> 01:40:41,170 really just a medium for them to tell each other that they like 1675 01:40:41,170 --> 01:40:44,330 each other. Yeah, that's what this thank you 1676 01:40:44,330 --> 01:40:48,490 so much for allowing me to have this exercise and articulating 1677 01:40:48,490 --> 01:40:52,690 what I think that I know and also identifying some holes in 1678 01:40:52,690 --> 01:40:56,690 my understanding. Well, normally I would exit this 1679 01:40:56,690 --> 01:41:00,050 and say, hey guys, it's been great talking to you and here's 1680 01:41:00,050 --> 01:41:04,090 what we're gonna do next time. But I have some news. 1681 01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:08,960 Our next episode. Our next episode is going to be 1682 01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:15,000 a finale episode of season one. Yeah, not a final episode of our 1683 01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:18,720 podcast. A finale episode of the season. 1684 01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:21,280 Yeah. And we're going to relive some 1685 01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:26,320 experiences and we're going to maybe give some announcements, 1686 01:41:26,480 --> 01:41:29,280 maybe talk about what we're going to do in Season 2. 1687 01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:32,680 I mean, it can get a little wild in here, but I don't have a lot 1688 01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:35,810 of details to see it for you because we haven't decided 1689 01:41:35,810 --> 01:41:40,090 anything at any rate. Awesome. 1690 01:41:40,090 --> 01:41:42,730 Well, Cliffhanger. No cliffhangers. 1691 01:41:44,370 --> 01:41:44,970 Yeah. Awesome. 1692 01:41:44,970 --> 01:41:47,810 Well, I look forward to next time, Danny. 1693 01:41:48,650 --> 01:41:49,530 Yeah. All right. 1694 01:41:50,050 --> 01:41:55,370 Well, everybody as always, which is blessed be be well, we'll 1695 01:41:55,370 --> 01:41:58,330 talk to you next time. Bye.