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Welcome back to to real witches.
Hello, and blessed. 

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Be, I'm okay, and I'm Danny, and
we're just a couple of 

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practicing witches, seeking 
initiation into a garden area 

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and tradition of Wicca every 
full moon. 

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And new moon were discussing 
things we're learning and And 

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researching sharing magical 
discourse and hold space, for 

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other witches to do the same. 
We are two real witches, 

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shooting the shit and nerding 
out on magical topics. 

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So if you're into the occult the
esoteric or the otherworldly, 

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come hang out with us and 
liminal space sound. 

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In today's episode, we're going 
to review ancestral veneration, 

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and share a little bit about our
practice on before we get 

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started. 
I want to know catch up what you

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up to, what's going on with your
classes workshops books. 

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What are you reading? 
Yes. 

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Thanks for asking Danny. 
For my are updates. 

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I would point to a couple of 
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I just did finish the book that 
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I think we talked, which was the
modern witchcraft with Greek 

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gods with us. 
Yeah, Estrella Taylor and Jason 

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Mann Kee. 
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part about Hestia and there, 
which is awesome because Hestia 

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is not. 
Well, documented, and so many 

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places and the book is really 
cool because it creates like 

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both, you know, they're getting 
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Oracle documentation as possible
but then they're also having 

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people other than them kind of 
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personal practices and also 
personal like gnosis of the 

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deities. 
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example rituals that you could 
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So, yeah. 
It was a really informative and 

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practical book and and also like
just really easy to read, so 

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would highly recommend for 
anybody who is Is looking deeper

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into working with Greek gods. 
I also am just super excited 

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about this magazine. 
Everybody loves a magazine, you 

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know, being able to read those 
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I'm here for it. 
The mountain astrologer and we 

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can link the actual website but 
it is beautiful. 

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It is Is the cover and the art 
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are like Pagan magazines or like
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like a little like, like a pony,
it's very, very DIY looking and 

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this art is just like beautiful 
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And so I'm excited to order 
their back issues of previous 

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releases that they've had and 
they go all the way back to 

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like, 20 20. 
So I'm going to both subscribe 

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and order some back. 
Shoes. 

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You know, it has some really 
cool tips around astrology. 

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Like they just did their like 
best of 2022 reviews and they 

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had. 
Sorry that's Nelson clicking and

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clacking. 
They had their best of like 

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astrology podcast, astrology 
websites, astrology tools. 

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And So based on like who won, I 
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new astrology podcast. 
And so, Yeah, it seems like it's

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going to be a really great 
resource. 

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Thanks. 
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How about you? 
And he are updates. 

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So I started a shadow work 
journal and this one came pretty

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highly recommended and it's 
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So I thought I'd just start at 
work through it. 

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I haven't delved through enough 
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opinion, but it's the Luna and 
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Journal. 
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it. 
It's very pretty. 

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And so I'm like do that. 
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Like do I just answer the 
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journal? 
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actually went and had it like 
printed and bound because it was

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passed to me like as a PDF 
version so I wouldn't had it 

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like printed and bound and so I 
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case you know someone else 
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But that's what I'm kind of 
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Where did you find this? 
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So just through some of the 
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with some of them actually a 
couple of the groups had it like

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in their resources tabs and so I
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into that. 
That's right. 

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Shadow work isn't just for 
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I love that. 
Alright, so let's get into some 

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fire update. 
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I sound like I've been yelling 
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I just got back from New Orleans
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we traveled there, my partner, 
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was their first tour date of 
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So the everything it was 
everything it was everything and

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Robert Smith is like I don't 
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because he's listening to our 
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Smith is tuning into to witches,
but his voice is so beautiful, 

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and they played for like, two, 
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sounds. 
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good care of his voice and it 
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some other things and went to 
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stores. 
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tour that I would recommend for 
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I'll put a link to that. 
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do like a little resource of 
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New Orleans like engines. 
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but I also went to a like local 
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was a dark wave. 
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previously. 
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local place called Santos and 
the show is like not great. 

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The sound was was rough but I'm 
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comes to like sound production 
and shows went to summation over

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the years but yeah it was really
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How about you? 
What's your fire update? 

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So I had started making those 
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together. 
I'm actually posted it. 

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It's on my witchy Instagram at 
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of the Southern hollers. 
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like exactly what I put into it 
because sharing is caring, you 

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know? 
But it turned out really well 

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like I really enjoyed it. 
My daughter was like what is 

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that? 
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like, yes I win. 
I want yeah so nothing too 

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crazy. 
I did start the rose petal wine 

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from Beltane. 
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Awesome. 
And so the the rose one is for 

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Beltane next year's. 
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Next year's. 
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It's really pretty. 
It's like this like really deep 

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pink color. 
It's really beautiful. 

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It looks really nice and it was 
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That's just naturally from the 
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Yeah. 
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Right. 
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would be like, you know, kind of
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I just got, you know, had two 
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amazing. 
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realized that I'm really good at
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I'm like I can't be myself. 
So busy, I'm ready for 

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retirement. 
Now there's so many copies on 

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things. 
Yeah I'm ready. 

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People like no you can't retire 
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do with your time and like AA 
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Now when you're a witch and 
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Mysteries to discover so but 
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decompressed not stressed, super
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carry that back into my real 
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wanted to commit to, you know, 
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and just staying grounded. 
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I'm starting to dip my toe into 
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magic stuff and I could kind of 
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But there is a really cool 
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by like, you know, the Order of 
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Lesser ritual of the pentagram 
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It uses Angels name. 
I'm sitting know that that's not

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always comfortable for people. 
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I think I've heard of this, I 
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multiple versions of this. 
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like the Baseline ritual and 
it's a mental exercise that, you

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know, is advised to be performed
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times a day, you know, because 
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but I'm sure he wants a day. 
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yeah it really kind of use that 
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stay grounded and try to hold on
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ready right now. 
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How about you what's flowing 
through your life? 

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You know, it's this March 
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dab in the middle of it. 
So I'm just trying to like craft

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kind of livable Harmony. 
I don't love the word balance. 

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When we talk about like 
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is a balance. 
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happen. 
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how do I create a life? 
Where like I'm meeting 

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expectations here and meeting 
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like, making those things work 
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So which is kind of part of what
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The shadow work thing is like, 
how do I both get everything 

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done, but at the end of it, not 
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So burnt out that I'm not 
enjoying any of it, right? 

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Yeah. 
So I also, I'm just keeping my 

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mind like things. 
So, from here only like degress.

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and a month but the main part of
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year or so things are kind of 
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they'll slow down from there. 
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right, we're all on the 
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here, so things really only. 
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Yeah. 
And then why don't you feel like

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it's all terrible at it only 
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Yay. 
It can only go up, you know I'm 

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saying? 
Real, real real world. 

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Look it. 
But why don't you tell us or 

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stuff? 
What have you been buying? 

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Let's go ahead and your life, 
which all right. 

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Now, honestly, I've been like, 
resisting really purchasing 

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anything and bringing new 
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blessed in a lot of ways. 
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appreciating and having 
gratitude through what I have is

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really kind of where I'm at 
right now. 

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I might I'm thinking considering
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specifically around like magical
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time and just working with, you 
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But I yeah, so I'm really trying
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Some moron like inner landscape.
And like mental discipline, I 

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had an experience recently with 
Danny, you'll know this with 

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being by myself in my thoughts 
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and you know, it was really 
powerful and a lot of ways and 

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it was also really eye-opening 
in how much I could continue to 

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build in that. 
Rhea. 

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I think that was one of the kind
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As I was spending a lot of time 
in my own head that sounds like 

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I went to jail speaking of 
WhatsApp and it sounds like I 

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went with you. 
We shared a cell and we couldn't

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talk to, you know, it's 
something that's, you know, part

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of our outer core experience 
that we're not talking about 

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because things have to be hidden
and It's not oath bound per se 

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but it's also not something that
everyone will experience because

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it's specific to our outer 
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But nevertheless, you know, it 
made me think about I'm like, 

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wow, you know, being left with 
your thoughts alone, for a long 

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time, is can be really magical. 
It could also be like really 

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torturous and that made me start
thinking about Damien Echols, do

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you know, Damien Echols that 
whole story think? 

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Okay, I don't think I do. 
So I highly recommend. 

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If anybody has not watch this 
video, it's from like the Arts. 

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I think, I don't know. 
I should have looked it up 

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before hand, but it's called 
Paradise Lost. 

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And it's a documentary about 
these three boys who were 

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charged with the murder of 
another person during satanic 

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panic and because they, you 
know, listen to rock music and 

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because they, you know, read a 
cult books, they were really 

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demonized and they were Found 
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cause and a really shitty trial.
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the other people, that also went
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prison on death row, they were 
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hard for us to imagine that. 
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know, it's within my lifetime 
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adolescent and I'm not that old.
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the public opinion and we have 
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recently with women's rights. 
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their thoughts. 
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confinement, for the majority of
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then, you know, he really 
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during that time period because 
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do anything. 
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and it is just mind-blowing to 
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clearly. 
I don't want that experience, I 

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clearly would never wish that 
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Buddy but the fact that he was 
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always like this discipline 
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the fact that he was able to 
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meditating building his inner 
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inspirational to me. 
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that's the challenge that I'm 
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is like I'm really pretty good 
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around seeing opportunities 
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I think this whole like you 
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manifestation movement around 
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The idea of like continue to 
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like it don't there's not no 
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want, just doing what you do 
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you know, you'll solve that 
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of things like deity contact, 
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Those are more of a stretch for 
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that, you know, so yeah, my 
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my inner world. 
Can you tell my cold brew just 

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kicked him, sorry for that 
ramble? 

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Now, I loved all of that. 
I know that name though, is he? 

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Yeah, author, he is an author. 
He has three books, magical 

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Books. 
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I was like, I am to name but I 
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And honestly like I was not mean
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because of the time that we 
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to New Orleans, he has moved in 
the last few years, to New 

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Orleans. 
And so he had these like really 

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cool tours on YouTube. 
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different places to go and.yeah.
I just kind of went on a rabbit 

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hole watching some of his 
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The, you know, he's very much 
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Zen Buddhist, which is an 
interesting combination but the 

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Lesser that lesser Sir ritual of
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you know he definitely started 
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people do. 
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What kind of put it on my radar 
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So yeah, definitely check them 
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It's It's really, really 
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don't know, like what a saint, 
you know, like like a which they

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ain't in a martyr. 
And please. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
With great about you sorry. 

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Thanks Hannah. 
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sacrifice comes, that's where, 
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sacrifice and the idea of 
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And while I think putting 
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sacrifice doesn't always yield 
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That That you're looking for, in
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a choice and so that in that 
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great to come out of it, five, 
such an awful terrible 

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experience. 
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great. 
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awful that him and those other 
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brain damage and you know, his 
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thoroughly And he is like, PTSD 
for sure. 

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Obviously that the fact that he 
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functional way, is amazing. 
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What's going on with you now 
that I've found murdered? 

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Um, if so you're so great over 
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like, I'm think I'm gonna go on 
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let me tell you what I just 
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like a few, my partner, 
literally like just came to my 

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rich. 
The room was like, oh, this 

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looks like a witch craft store 
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means I need to stop buying 
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okay, all right. 
Or or it just means it was very 

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well put together and it looked 
very organized, replicate right.

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You're right. 
But I bought a mortar and pestle

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button old, wooden one, like an 
antique one. 

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Like it's cracked in the bottom,
it clearly got some really good.

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Side of it but it's a really 
tall stand one. 

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Like I have ones, my kitchen 
that are like small small batch 

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kind of things. 
But I wanted a large one to make

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incense in. 
And that would be like, not used

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for any kitchen stuff or 
anything like that, that I could

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like, confidently mix up some 
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be ingested and so I just love 
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It's so beautiful. 
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And I like cleansed it and I 
just giving me all the happy 

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which Vibes. 
So Really pumped about my mortar

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and pestle, and then our 
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I've been buying a lot of stuff 
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Like outfit it now that my 
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with, putting his family members
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So again, we'll talk about it as
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including like a plant for 
everybody and then like planters

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that kind of like speak to who 
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that belonged to them, or that 
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So, kind of outfitting That Base
has kind of My focus lately. 

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I love that. 
It's so awesome. 

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Okay. 
Well those are our Elemental 

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updates in our which up to 
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I'm gonna I'm really trying to 
get on the jingle for that 

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section. 
I'm going to try, I'm 

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prioritizing it. 
It's important to my life as 

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part of our editing process but 
before we get Get into today's 

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topic which is as Danny pointed 
out ancestor veneration. 

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We have to say, Happy Mother's 
Day. 

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Danny, we're recording on 
Mother's Day. 

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You're taking your your special 
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I just have to say, Happy 
Mother's Day. 

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Does we? 
Thank you? 

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Yeah, I'm feeling very motherly.
I spent my morning like getting 

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everybody out of bed and doing 
the things, you know, the normal

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stuff, and then promptly, Taking
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we could record and then just 
outfitting my ancestor altar. 

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So the moms on my ancestor 
altar, putting up flowers and 

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stuff for them getting coffee. 
Put up for everybody and all of 

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that. 
So yeah, film very, very loved 

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and motherly. 
And in that happy dappy space. 

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Oh, you're so cute. 
Your kids got it. 

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Good. 
I don't know if they know but I 

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hope they know I'm going to tell
him. 

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Okay, so we are going to be 
approaching today's ancestral 

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veneration topic. 
The same way that we have been 

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setting up, which is again, 
based on Elemental. 

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So we're going to go through 
kind of the are aspects of this 

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would be definitions or maybe 
references on the topic will go 

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through fire segment which is 
going to be actions and things 

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you can do on the topic. 
We'll get into the water segment

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which is about History of the 
topic and kind of some feelings 

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around it. 
And then finally, we will 

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approach the topic being 
inspired by Earth. 

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So this will be as we integrate 
these things. 

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What are some challenges or some
obstacles that may arise? 

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What are some problematic? 
Or practical things that we're 

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going to experience as we start 
to integrate these these topics.

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So we're going to start with as 
I said, are and Danny, I think. 

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You had some reference for us on
the top of ya. 

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So ancestor veneration, I feel 
like it's something that's 

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always been a part of my family 
in that, there's always been 

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this great respect for ancestors
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them. 
But as far as how to build a 

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practice that was never, 
something that was kind of 

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passed down to me or anything 
that was really explored in my 

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family. 
And so I actually had picked up 

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a book about ancestor veneration
that was just phenomenal. 

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It really? 
This subject that can be really 

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touchy. 
Especially for people who maybe 

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don't have family structures, 
like a nuclear family or have 

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even family members that like 
exist outside of their immediate

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family. 
It really approaches that topic 

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for like, how to deal with those
mundane aspects and how do we 

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kind of work through those and 
what could you do instead? 

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And so the book is honoring your
ancestors. 

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A guide to ancestral veneration 
by Mallory valdo. 

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A Felt always be a Udo is e. 
It's French. 

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And I'm off Le French. 
I'm so sorry, but it's 

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phenomenal book. 
The way that the author kind of 

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broke down, like, what is 
ancestor veneration? 

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What is incest or worship? 
What do you do? 

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If you don't know these people, 
what if you do, what do you do? 

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If you do know these people but 
you don't enjoy them, you know, 

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how do we explore that? 
And just all kinds of things. 

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So even past like offerings and 
how do we honor them even until 

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like, well what if they really 
liked alcohol and they were an 

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alcoholic, is it wrong of me to 
put alcohol on the ancestor all 

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for like she really just broke 
down all of that and it was 

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really just a phenomenal book. 
It's awesome. 

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I haven't read that. 
Maybe you'll have to let me 

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borrow it since I'm in a not 
want to have her sent I'll bring

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it the next time that we get 
together for sure. 

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Awesome. 
As part of this It's kind of are

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section as well. 
I think it's worth pointing out 

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some definitions or maybe some 
points of separation of the 

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topic. 
So, ancestor veneration. 

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I think everyone listening to 
this podcast is going to know 

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we're talking about which is 
trying to connect with create 

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relationship with worship. 
If that word isn't triggering 

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for you people who are either 
directly in your previous, 

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Family line or maybe part of a 
larger ancestral DNA or 

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potentially, you know, 
ancestors. 

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There's some other way that 
you're connected to them, right?

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So ancestors could be family, 
but it could also be people who 

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are within your magical 
tradition as an example. 

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So, ancestor is pretty wide. 
Topic and can be defined in a 

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couple different ways. 
I think that it's also worth 

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pointing out with in just our 
American muggle World some ways 

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in which ancestor veneration 
pops up. 

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One thing that I was reading 
some articles about the topic, 

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of course, and one thing that 
came up which I thought was. 

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So intriguing was the idea that,
you know, in the modern complex 

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of Real death and how we as a 
culture deal with bodies that 

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have expired, the idea that we 
embalm bodies still is almost 

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creating this thought that we 
clearly think that something is 

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happening where we need to 
preserve the body. 

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And it's not just always for the
purposes of, you know, having a 

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open-casket ceremony, even 
people who have closed, caskets 

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are still in. 
Armed and we really don't need 

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that to be the case. 
There's a lot of people within 

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the death movement. 
Now that are talking about how 

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unnecessary expensive and 
potentially like biologically 

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damaging that is to the 
environment. 

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So that's it. 
Just you know, the fact that we 

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embalm is it like really 
interesting choice for us 

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because we have refrigeration. 
So that's not actually needed. 

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And the other thing that I think
we can point to in our modern 

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world is in the u.s. at least is
like Memorial Day. 

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So Memorial Day is Like We are 
often remembering the people who

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have passed on and service of 
our country and remembering 

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people who have given their 
lives quote unquote for for our 

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country and for quote, unquote 
Freedom. 

452
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So yeah, just interesting to see
that pop up. 

453
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:43,800
I think a lot of people may not 
have the idea of ancestor 

454
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,400
veneration or worship as part of
their daily experiences the way.

455
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,300
You know, Danny you were kind of
coming up. 

456
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:53,900
I certainly did it have that 
while we would remember people 

457
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:56,400
fondly it wasn't something that 
was talked about in my regular 

458
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,400
day to day. 
So it's funny to think of just 

459
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,200
Memorial Day is Like Us 
remembering literally our 

460
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,600
national got ancestor 
veneration. 

461
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,100
Yeah right. 
And I think I mean we also would

462
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:14,900
see it's a topic that is more 
and more popular and accepted I 

463
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:18,800
think a big part of that is 
because of was it did Pixar 

464
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,100
Pixar. 
Having the the cocoa? 

465
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,100
Yeah. 
Did you pick sorry? 

466
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:24,300
Yeah. 
Oh my gosh. 

467
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:27,900
All right, Marv, family. 
We love that movie. 

468
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:31,600
And I'm sure that historically, 
and, and culture, it's probably 

469
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,700
not the most accurate thing in 
the world, but we love that. 

470
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:36,400
And, and there's those 
connections, right? 

471
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,800
The ofrenda, like, having a 
space where you honor your 

472
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,900
ancestors, like, my, my kids 
have that connection where 

473
00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:46,100
they're like, oh, it's like our,
our altar that has, like Papa 

474
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:48,400
and Nana. 
And, you know, all these people 

475
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:50,600
It gives me goosebumps cool. 
Yeah. 

476
00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:52,100
Oh my gosh. 
I love that. 

477
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,500
That's so cool. 
And the other thing I would say,

478
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,800
as just kind of part of this are
topic is, you know, we just 

479
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:06,300
finished our two-part series, I 
guess to it qualify. 

480
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:11,000
As enough as a serious 
conversation on Daddy Worship in

481
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,100
our course, transitioning to 
ancestor worship and and there's

482
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:17,700
some clear connections, right? 
You would Worship in a lot of 

483
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:19,600
the same way. 
Ways, in terms of your actual 

484
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,300
activities, you know, you can do
ritual, you can do praise, you 

485
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:26,700
can do offerings. 
But Additionally, you know, the 

486
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:31,700
idea that, you know, why would 
we be doing these things? 

487
00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:35,600
Other than feeling like a 
wholesome, like good person 

488
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,700
thumbs-up, you care about your 
grandparents, who passed on. 

489
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:41,300
That's really cool. 
We would do that really for the 

490
00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:47,400
same reasons that potentially we
outlined as benefits to our 

491
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:50,600
current reality. 
In the real world you know, in 

492
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,600
the same way that we would 
benefit from worshipping God's 

493
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,500
we benefit from connecting with 
our ancestors, so they can 

494
00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:00,400
provide us protection. 
They can provide us certain 

495
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:06,700
abilities, whether that's you 
know, the power of divination or

496
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:11,400
you know strength or whatever. 
We also would benefit in 

497
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,300
potential manifestation so 
everything that we benefit from 

498
00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:21,300
in a way that We would worship 
our ancestors, it's the same 

499
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:23,600
thing as gods and vice versa. 
So just want to make that 

500
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:28,100
potential connection, Alright. 
And then we're going to get into

501
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:30,800
fire a little bit there and an 
action. 

502
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,700
So I wanted to share a little 
bit of my practice and kind of 

503
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:37,500
what that looks like. 
So it's actually sitting and you

504
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:40,400
guys won't be able to see it, 
but it's directly behind where 

505
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,600
we record this podcast is where 
my ancestor altar is, and it's 

506
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,800
like a wall. 
Like, it's not, it's Altars are 

507
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:54,300
like on top of a table top or on
top of like a, like a dresser or

508
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:57,900
something like that, but ours is
wall shelves. 

509
00:31:57,900 --> 00:32:00,400
So it's like three really long 
wall shelves. 

510
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:05,800
And then each one of those 
sections is for someone in our 

511
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,800
family. 
So it has up there, my Papaw, my

512
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,400
mama, my partner's mom who 
passed when he was very young, 

513
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:18,100
his grandparents who have passed
now and then kind of how I honor

514
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:19,600
them. 
Miz just making note of the 

515
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,300
things that we knew about them, 
right? 

516
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:24,000
We didn't necessarily know 
everything about them, we won't 

517
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,000
remember everything about them, 
but even small details like 

518
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:29,100
that. 
My mama was left-handed. 

519
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:33,200
So, whenever I put her coffee or
her water up there, I always put

520
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,000
it on the side where her left 
hand would be because she's 

521
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,500
left-handed she would have used,
you know, that hand. 

522
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:44,400
I also keep a plant for each 
person and that is a way for me 

523
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,400
to care for something for the 
dead. 

524
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,400
So the plants aren't Lead tied 
to them. 

525
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,800
I mean, I do and I start looking
for plants for them, try to pick

526
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,700
something that I'm like, I think
they would like that. 

527
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:56,500
Or this reminds me of them in 
some way. 

528
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:58,800
So, like, I have a purple plant 
for somebody. 

529
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,700
I know love the color purple. 
So things like that. 

530
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:05,800
So through the act of like 
caring for something watering 

531
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,900
something nourishing, something 
for them to me, it's a way to 

532
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:13,500
take care of them. 
I always keep water out for 

533
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:16,300
them. 
I have noticed that some 

534
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:20,700
people's water drains Or other 
people's do, despite it being in

535
00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:23,700
the same part of the house, in 
the same place and the same 

536
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:26,000
humidity. 
And so, just keeping an eye on 

537
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,100
those and keeping those kind of 
topped off. 

538
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,600
I do put out coffee weekly for 
those who drank coffee, as I get

539
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,600
to know, kind of my partner's 
ancestors. 

540
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,900
You know, if they drink tea, 
I'll put out tea. 

541
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:41,800
Just something kind of as a 
pick-me-up for them and anything

542
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:47,200
that I make by hand, food-wise 
that is, you know, not just 

543
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,600
aren't like normal dinner. 
Sure, I'll put out for them as 

544
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,200
well. 
So like I have banana bread in 

545
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,700
the oven right now and once that
is done and cools down, like 

546
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:59,800
I'll cut some small pieces to 
put out for them and note with 

547
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,800
that though is that it's tends 
to be frowned upon to like leave

548
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,200
those out past their freshness. 
So, you know, when you start to 

549
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,699
see it, it's done like a day or 
two from now. 

550
00:34:10,699 --> 00:34:12,100
It'll be done. 
And I'll pull it. 

551
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,000
I also keep kind of Trinkets and
small items. 

552
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,800
So for instance, my partner's 
mom, he has like the small glass

553
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,600
unicorn trinket that was hers. 
Unicorns were something that she

554
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,100
really loved. 
And so I keep that out there on 

555
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:31,500
the altar because otherwise it's
just going to sit in a shelf or 

556
00:34:31,507 --> 00:34:33,699
in a drawer somewhere. 
Why not put it somewhere where 

557
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:37,500
she can enjoy it? 
My mama made a baby blanket for 

558
00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:40,199
me. 
A Barney baby blanket that I 

559
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,699
have inside of a wooden box. 
Aside, her picture that actually

560
00:34:43,699 --> 00:34:47,800
has the inscription of her last 
handwriting to me before she 

561
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,000
passed. 
I was getting ready to go on a 

562
00:34:50,007 --> 00:34:52,900
school trip and she had written 
me a card. 

563
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:54,199
It was right before the 
holidays. 

564
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:56,699
And so it says, I hope you 
enjoyed your trip. 

565
00:34:56,699 --> 00:35:00,200
Love my mom, Pat. 
So I've put it got too ingrained

566
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,900
on a box to put the blanket in 
and it's cool. 

567
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:06,200
Because as much as it was like 
about that trip. 

568
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,700
It was. 
I also like to think that she's 

569
00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:13,500
wishing me well on this trip of 
life and so I put it up there, 

570
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:18,300
kind of as a reminder about her.
I also have a painting of the 

571
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:22,900
Blue Ridge Mountains beside my 
Paw Paw's, well, behind his 

572
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:27,000
picture really good takes up his
whole Space because that bag on 

573
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,800
Mountain was so damn important 
to him. 

574
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:32,900
He would not come off of it even
when he you know, really needed 

575
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:36,200
like assistance and really could
have like used a home health 

576
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,400
nurse or somebody to be. 
He was not going to come off 

577
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,000
that damn Mountain. 
So it was important to him. 

578
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,100
So I put it up there. 
For him. 

579
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:47,900
And that's really the long and 
short of my practice and kind of

580
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:50,600
what it looks like on like a 
week-to-week day-to-day. 

581
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,900
What about you, okay, what do 
you have gone on? 

582
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:58,500
I just love the detail of a 
person being left handed and you

583
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:00,900
changing the orientation of the 
cup. 

584
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,400
Just sitting here just for a 
little, the little things I have

585
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,900
a planter that's actually a 
paint brush holder like for an 

586
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:12,900
artist because one of our 
ancestors was Artists. 

587
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:16,200
And so I put a plant in that 
because, you know, just just 

588
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,500
things to remember and keep 
their memory alive. 

589
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:22,300
Yeah. 
I imagine to the fact that 

590
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:26,100
you're working with your 
partner's ancestors and making 

591
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:29,900
space and they're kind of coming
around to that that that must 

592
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:36,300
also help strengthen your own 
relationship to like, you know, 

593
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:40,400
whether or not he's really into 
it and maybe it's just the plain

594
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,100
along. 
The fact that you take such Such

595
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:46,900
interest in, who he is and who 
he, you know, where he came 

596
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:48,800
from. 
I think that that's I'm sure 

597
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,700
it's really meaningful for him 
to. 

598
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:52,800
Yeah, I think so. 
I mean, I don't want to speak 

599
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,000
for him but I do think because 
his mom passed when he was so 

600
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,700
young. 
There's only so much he actually

601
00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:02,600
remembers and so to take those 
those few details and make them 

602
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:08,400
important, I think helps to kind
of minimize the, why didn't know

603
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,500
a whole lot about her? 
And so I don't feel like I 

604
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:14,900
really Of to like, commemorate 
or venerate her? 

605
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:17,300
No, of course you do. 
She was your mom and whether you

606
00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:21,200
remember whole lot about her 
isn't super important, but she 

607
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,300
was important to you. 
And that was probably, the 

608
00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:27,100
definitely, the most devastating
thing that had happened up until

609
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:30,200
that point in your life. 
So, of course, we should honor. 

610
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,900
Remember, and remember what you 
remember about her? 

611
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:37,100
And so, I think it's opened kind
of those doors into may be 

612
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:42,800
releasing some like guilt or 
Shame about not, knowing Them 

613
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,000
really well and feeling like 
well, so many other people knew 

614
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,600
them, so much better than I did.
But you still deserve to feel 

615
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,600
that, right? 
And to honor that. 

616
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:58,100
Yeah, that's a special. 
It's really, I didn't think 

617
00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:01,500
about this daddy. 
When we were scheduling this 

618
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:08,300
recording on Mother's Day, about
ancestral worship, and my mother

619
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,000
also passed when I was young, I 
think you're attracting people 

620
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,400
like that Danny. 
Is it me? 

621
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:20,000
Am I the your the drama I'm 
trying to Mother everyone. 

622
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,800
You are the like maybe needs 
needs some. 

623
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,900
Do you need a mom either? 
Thanks for, uh, somebody needs 

624
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:28,800
to be in charge of me. 
I can't do this. 

625
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:35,500
No, so yeah, made my mom passed 
on when I was 15 really 

626
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:39,800
tragically, and, and I did not 
have a good relationship with 

627
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,300
her and so it's definitely 
ancestor veneration. 

628
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,900
Ian has helped me, do a lot of 
healing in a lot of ways, but I 

629
00:38:45,908 --> 00:38:48,400
just thought it was. 
So ironic that, of course, we 

630
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,300
plan the ancestor veneration 
episode on Mother's Day. 

631
00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:55,800
I'm like, okay, I hear it. 
Okay, right. 

632
00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:57,500
Well, I don't even think it's 
that weep. 

633
00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:00,400
I think it's definitive that we 
did not plan it. 

634
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,100
Yeah. 
Didn't it up here, right? 

635
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,100
It had to be this a there was 
like another day. 

636
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:06,700
It could have been. 
Yeah, so interesting. 

637
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:12,300
So for me, you know, I have up 
into this point really only. 

638
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,100
It worked with the women in my 
family. 

639
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:21,500
I didn't have a relationship 
with, really, any of the men. 

640
00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:24,500
My dad was adopted, so that's 
creates its own kind of 

641
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:26,700
Challenge. 
On my mom's side. 

642
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:33,100
Her father was an alcoholic and 
died when I was a baby. 

643
00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:37,800
And then, I did know my 
great-grandfather because I love

644
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,300
my family is Southern and had 
children when they're 15. 

645
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,000
Right. 
My yeah. 

646
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,100
My Greek parents were definitely
around when I was a kid, but it 

647
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:53,800
was actually my 
great-grandmother's. 

648
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:59,100
Second husband, she divorced in 
a time when it's like uncommon 

649
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:01,600
because he was her first husband
was really abusive. 

650
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,100
And so Hansel is not the cutest 
name. 

651
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,500
Oh my gosh. 
Lori and enhance like any of 

652
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:11,600
them Laura I was like it could 
only be have been Gretel but 

653
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,300
okay, fine. 
Lawrence pretty close. 

654
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,300
Yeah, you know I don't know I 
didn't have a lot of connection 

655
00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:20,400
with him. 
There wasn't any like shared 

656
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,100
blood necessarily and I know 
that he was definitely good in 

657
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:29,500
our family. 
My family is absolutely based in

658
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:33,400
matriarchs. 
The the men are really just like

659
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:39,400
accessories to that lady story. 
So I've only yeah, I've only 

660
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,100
really worked with women in my 
family. 

661
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:48,600
So for me, you know, I also have
an altar and moving into this 

662
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,900
house. 
I since I had a whole room that 

663
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:56,100
I could have a ritual room and I
moved, my ancestor altar into my

664
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:59,900
ritual room. 
But previously, I had it in my 

665
00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:04,400
dining room and I would like, 
have breakfast kind of with them

666
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,400
and like, have their pictures 
there, and kind of mentally have

667
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,900
a bit of a conversation around 
like updates and things like 

668
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:14,100
that. 
And I really missing that, so I 

669
00:41:14,108 --> 00:41:20,000
think I'm actually going to be 
moving the altar out there. 

670
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:24,200
The all my altar is also shelves
on the wall so it's really more 

671
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,600
holes in walls. 
I love to do that. 

672
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:33,400
It's my favorite thing that but 
yeah, you know, I think food and

673
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,800
family were. 
I think it's probably most 

674
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,600
people are that way. 
It's really strong connection 

675
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,200
because smell And taste is such 
a strong, scent connected with 

676
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,200
memory, but I think we all agree
on that, like, eating with your 

677
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,900
family, is a very Human 
Experience. 

678
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,800
So yeah. 
So I think anything kind of 

679
00:41:53,800 --> 00:42:01,300
connected to food, I actually do
a dumb supper for Salen where I 

680
00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:05,100
set a table with all of the play
settings, for all of my 

681
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:07,900
ancestors. 
Women apparently only, I didn't 

682
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:11,600
actually realize that until I 
was like, wait, it's all ladies,

683
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,300
right? 
I didn't even see. 

684
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,100
Them as women because they're 
like it is ladies night. 

685
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:19,300
Yeah. 
There are also strong and like 

686
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:22,000
yeah these are these are people 
who are church at any rate. 

687
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,300
I so I put their pictures up and
I cook you know big Southern 

688
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,100
dinner with like collard greens 
and pork chops. 

689
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:32,400
Breaded pork chops right? 
Because pork needs reading 

690
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:41,400
apparently and yeah and serve 
them next to their picture and 

691
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:44,000
tell stories. 
Trees and then spend some time 

692
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:50,200
in kind of quiet. 
Contemplation my partner 

693
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:57,400
participated last year with me 
and it was a real awkward like 

694
00:42:57,500 --> 00:43:03,600
be like you can't talk just sit 
there and eat is yeah it's it's 

695
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,000
it's awkward. 
So I made it the rule like will 

696
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,900
spend like an egg timer worth of
time not talking and like right 

697
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:13,800
below me. 
Of Silence rather than an 

698
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,800
extended period of Silence 
because it just felt wrong, 

699
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:18,500
right? 
Yeah. 

700
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,700
So we got dumped Sniper. 
I'm loving that. 

701
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:23,800
One of it. 
I actually have heard versions 

702
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,000
of that where, like, I guess 
probably to bridge that like 

703
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,500
quietness Gap. 
People have like, instead like 

704
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:34,400
gone around the table and told 
stories about the people at the 

705
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,100
table to like, keep their memory
alive. 

706
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:39,200
And to kind of promote blue, 
like, oh my gosh. 

707
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,600
No, I can't believe they did 
that. 

708
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,200
That really happened, you know? 
Yeah. 

709
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:45,400
Because, yeah, I don't know how 
you did it. 

710
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,300
I wouldn't have been able to 
shut the fuck up long enough. 

711
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:58,200
I mean I'm a fast eater so I 
think in this kind of fire topic

712
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,200
of actions, I think we wanted to
touch on the idea of leveraging 

713
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:09,200
a modern tool like you know DNA 
testing for genetic markers of 

714
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,200
where your family came from. 
Historically. 

715
00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:18,700
So like I use like ancestry.com 
and I think you also use this as

716
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:21,800
well, right? 
Yeah, yeah, I did I kind of had 

717
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,300
a good idea because my parents 
are both from the same 

718
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:28,000
geographic area that like my 
history would be pretty 

719
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,700
relatively the same for both of 
them and they are. 

720
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:36,000
But yeah, I did use it just out 
of curiosity because my mom all 

721
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,600
for years and years and years 
told us that like somewhere in 

722
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:44,300
our lineage we were indigenous 
and I was like, Okay sure Mama. 

723
00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:48,300
But I wanted to actually plug it
in somewhere and kind of see. 

724
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:52,100
Okay, where did where did that 
happen in our and hurt lifetime 

725
00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:57,100
that she recalls so and you 
proved it, I did actually got 

726
00:44:57,100 --> 00:45:00,900
pictures of it was her great 
grandfather. 

727
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:05,100
So it has been my great, great, 
great grandfather. 

728
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:07,600
So, yeah, it was my mama's 
great-grandfather. 

729
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,800
So it was someone that she 
distinctly remembered, and I got

730
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,500
pictures. 
Them to be like, oh, he liked 

731
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:19,800
was not, you know, a pale pasty 
Irish Swiss person like us. 

732
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,300
So, you know, and I only have a 
name and a picture, but it still

733
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:27,100
is really interesting to like 
see it and to see it show up 

734
00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:29,300
percentage-wise, you know, in my
jeans. 

735
00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:32,500
Yeah, my, as I said, my dad's 
adopted. 

736
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:34,300
So, for me, it was really 
interesting. 

737
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:37,700
I had no idea what was 
potentially the results were 

738
00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:42,100
going to be. 
But yeah, so you know, I have 

739
00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:45,600
Like English and Irish and 
Scottish and and Jewish and 

740
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:52,200
Nigerian and so not surprised to
see the Nigerian aspects since I

741
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:57,800
live in the south and slavery. 
Clearly was going to affect a 

742
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,200
lot of people's DNA. 
I'm always surprised actually, 

743
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,000
like, when you said you didn't 
have any African yet. 

744
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,000
Wow. 
Okay. 

745
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:07,600
Y'all were not that far south 
than huh. 

746
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,700
We were just poor. 
That's yeah. 

747
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:14,100
And I'm not to be uninjured 
servitudes. 

748
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:14,900
That's right. 
Yeah. 

749
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:20,100
We came over from Scotland. 
Probably as indentured servants.

750
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:23,100
So we didn't own any land. 
We didn't have anything to pass 

751
00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:26,500
down to anybody. 
We were in Appalachia, so, you 

752
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:28,000
know. 
Yeah, yeah. 

753
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,800
I really appreciated, you know, 
especially having a father who 

754
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,800
is resistant against finding his
family. 

755
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,600
It was cool for me to see. 
They have this thing 

756
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:40,300
specifically on ancestry.com 
called like through lines. 

757
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:42,100
And it'll show you kind of over 
the years. 

758
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:48,300
Is how your genetic markings 
from parent, 1 or parent to how 

759
00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:54,100
those migrated and, you know, my
mother's side came in and 

760
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:57,500
specifically settled in Florida?
North Florida, and Georgia. 

761
00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:02,900
And then, my dad's family were 
further north, and we're in the 

762
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:06,300
Appalachian area. 
So, yeah, it was, it's really 

763
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:09,800
cool that they can actually 
separate it by parent that was 

764
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,600
like, really excited to me. 
You can see the Dream. 

765
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,500
And if they don't know their 
history are, you know, it's 

766
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:18,400
very, yeah, it was really cool 
to be able to pull up photos, 

767
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:20,100
you know? 
And these are like photos that 

768
00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:22,300
other people have uploaded 
because somewhere in their 

769
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:24,100
family lines. 
You know, we connect. 

770
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:28,500
And so it was so cool to see 
images that otherwise would be 

771
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:30,400
completely lost to me. 
This is not a plug for 

772
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,200
Ancestry.com, we are not being 
sponsored but you can weirdest 

773
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:41,200
sponsorship though to just put 
it out there, you know? 

774
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:47,900
Cool. 
Let's transition into the water 

775
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,900
aspects of this topic. 
So talking about kind of history

776
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:55,100
and I think primarily we're 
talking about history here. 

777
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:59,500
So I don't know if everyone is 
like, you know, had this point 

778
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:03,000
of view that I had, but as a 
child, when I would hear like 

779
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,500
ancestor worship, you know, I 
would often think of, you know, 

780
00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:12,800
South America or maybe Eastern 
cultures are African Is being 

781
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,500
kind of synonymous with the 
ancestor veneration. 

782
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:21,300
I didn't really think about, you
know, Celtic or Welsh people, or

783
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:24,000
Scandinavian. 
People having that practice as 

784
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:29,800
well, but as I'm doing research,
was actually, I could not find 

785
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:35,800
proof of any kind of ancient 
people that didn't have some 

786
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,400
version of ancestor veneration. 
The only thing that I can really

787
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,700
point to was Was ancient Greek 
times. 

788
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:49,700
There were a group of 
philosophical people who had 

789
00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:52,700
kind of an atheist point of view
and if you don't believe in a 

790
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:55,400
God, then you probably also 
don't believe in an afterlife. 

791
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,800
So we could deduce not that it 
has any proof that potentially 

792
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,900
they didn't worship or connect 
with or honor their ancestors 

793
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:08,400
because they were kind of more 
Atheistic, with their point of 

794
00:49:08,408 --> 00:49:11,600
view and they these were the 
epicureans. 

795
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:14,000
So food was their God. 
No, just kidding. 

796
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:21,500
They, this is also, but yeah, 
that this was the only group 

797
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:27,500
that I could really find any 
theories of not having that 

798
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:32,600
historical ancestor veneration. 
So then we want to talk about 

799
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,000
like, was their first 
documentation of ancestor 

800
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,100
veneration. 
I think similar, don't we? 

801
00:49:37,300 --> 00:49:41,600
Talked about deity worship. 
There isn't anywhere that like, 

802
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:43,400
we're just like pops up 
Suddenly. 

803
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,300
I think, as long as humans have 
existed, we've had people's. 

804
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:51,500
And when those people's died, we
were sad about it and we wanted 

805
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:54,500
a way to grieve them, to honor 
them to come back and remember 

806
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:57,600
them. 
And so I think between burial 

807
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,600
rites and things like that, it 
we really had a hard time 

808
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,700
finding like a first. 
This was the first example of 

809
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:05,400
answer. 
Yeah. 

810
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,400
Raishin that. 
I mean there's, there's Like 

811
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:13,300
like fate that will like point 
to the most recent discovery of 

812
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:17,500
proof of like burial grounds but
as you know, time continues we 

813
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:21,900
continue to uncover new 
artifacts that then date back 

814
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:24,000
even further. 
So it would be kind of silly for

815
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:30,800
us to point to currently the 
most ancient version is like, 

816
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,800
you have to assume that we're 
going to keep doing this right. 

817
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,400
Give it another two years. 
Yeah. 

818
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:37,600
Yeah. 
But I think the The biggest 

819
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,900
thing is like any ancient 
peoples that buried their dead, 

820
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:47,200
probably weren't doing it for, 
just logistical reasons and we 

821
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,600
see that as proof when they are 
building structures. 

822
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,600
So burial, mounds, right? 
These like monoliths, anything 

823
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,100
that took a lot of time when 
time was valuable because you 

824
00:50:58,108 --> 00:51:00,800
were trying to eat and live and 
survive. 

825
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:07,100
Any time, someone would spend 
energy caloric, energy to build.

826
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:11,200
For the purposes of burial can 
be proof of ancestor veneration 

827
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,100
some way, whether it's just 
respect, but we would also 

828
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:16,000
probably do some type of 
connection. 

829
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,000
Yeah. 
Absolutely. 

830
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,500
And then we thought it would be 
interesting, just to kind of 

831
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:22,800
talk about some different 
cultural ancestor veneration 

832
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,800
practices, ancestor worship 
practices kind of around the 

833
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,800
world, a kind of point out some 
similarities and some 

834
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,900
differences but I pulled one 
here. 

835
00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:34,400
That was really interesting to 
me from Madagascar and it's 

836
00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:39,200
Femme De Hannah and it's 
essentially the Reburial of 

837
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,300
their dead that they exhume to 
rewrap and fresh silk. 

838
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:46,200
So this idea of like like I'm 
talking about changing out the 

839
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,500
water, right? 
Or changing up this idea that 

840
00:51:48,500 --> 00:51:53,700
like we want to bring the dead 
up again, to keep them fresh or 

841
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:57,300
to keep the things that we wrap 
them in fresh for them. 

842
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,500
And then they take the time 
during the reburial of the 

843
00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:03,900
person to honor them to 
celebrate them and their life. 

844
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,200
Really just seemed like a really
Sweet thing to do. 

845
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,300
Especially I, you know, I don't 
know what their burial practices

846
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:15,800
look like prior to, but just 
imagine like those silks like 

847
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,500
having to like unwrap them and 
peel them off by the delicacy. 

848
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:21,300
You would have to use to do 
that. 

849
00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:23,800
I've seen some videos of your 
process. 

850
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:24,800
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

851
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,100
And it's like a like the whole 
Community kind of coming 

852
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:28,800
together. 
I don't think they do this with 

853
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,400
everyone. 
I think they do this with like 

854
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:36,500
certain people but I mean I like
fresh sheets so I'm sure that 

855
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:38,400
won't change. 
I'm good. 

856
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,900
Yeah, for sure. 
And then, in Rome, they had a 

857
00:52:41,908 --> 00:52:46,300
nine Day, Festival called parent
Talia parent. 

858
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:50,200
I assume being the the base word
there to celebrate ancestors. 

859
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,200
It reminded me The Way It Was 
Written. 

860
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,900
I'm very similar to like, be a, 
los Muertos. 

861
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:57,300
Like the idea that you like, go 
to the place where you're dead 

862
00:52:57,300 --> 00:52:59,800
are buried. 
And you share a meal with them 

863
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,200
and leave offerings to them and 
share conversation and space 

864
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,400
with them kind of in this belief
that during this time that 

865
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,200
there's this Imanol space where 
Spirits can more easily kind of 

866
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,700
come over and you can commune 
with them and now Daddy's going 

867
00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:16,800
to try to pronounce a Welsh 
word. 

868
00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:26,000
And so the Welsh they have Palin
Gaius and if you are Welsh and 

869
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,100
an offended by that 
pronunciation, I'm so sorry. 

870
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:31,200
I'm doing my best here Beauty 
and I think he's really good 

871
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,000
actually Palin gay. 
If there's a there's it's 

872
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,100
because all the vowels, you 
know, I mean it's so many. 

873
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,100
I was put together that my 
American dialect is like I don't

874
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:47,700
know how to say that but the 
first day of winter in Wales is 

875
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:52,100
known as calan gaeaf and it's 
believed that at this time the 

876
00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:55,400
spirits of ancestors can kind of
move between that liminal space.

877
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,900
We can commune with them during 
this time and so what was 

878
00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:01,600
interesting to me is that people
in Wales, traditionally avoid 

879
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,700
cemeteries, during this time 
with the belief that like maybe 

880
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:09,900
malevolent spirit It's are more 
likely to intervene with you at 

881
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:13,400
this time, but the traditional 
way to honor, one's ancestors, 

882
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,800
during calan gaeaf is to avoid 
encounters with negative 

883
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,900
Spirits, by writing your name, 
on a rock and placing it near a 

884
00:54:21,900 --> 00:54:25,800
fire, which I am sure that 
there's some symbol e, some 

885
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,300
semblance there and some magical
purpose there. 

886
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:33,300
But just an interesting thing 
from there, tell me about then 

887
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:35,300
about Scotland. 
I think you had some stuff. 

888
00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:38,500
Yeah. 
I mean So I don't know if a lot 

889
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:44,100
of people can make clear 
divisions and Celtic Gaelic 

890
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:47,800
culture, that's like a whole 
conversation and there is a lot 

891
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,300
of nuance there around, you 
know, the different tribes in 

892
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:55,900
that space. 
But separate from Welsh we could

893
00:54:55,900 --> 00:55:01,000
look at Scottish people 
celebration of Samhain this 

894
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:06,900
being a Celtic holiday and it is
marking the end of fall. 

895
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:09,900
And Getting of winter, right? 
So steering one Halloween, 

896
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:14,300
modernly is and they believed 
that ancestors, of course, could

897
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:20,500
walk among the living at will. 
And so to both an honor, your 

898
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:22,700
ancestors. 
And also, as you kind of pointed

899
00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:28,000
out, they, you know, very much 
had belief in faith, you know, 

900
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,100
spirits of the land. 
We could go into another 

901
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:34,800
definition of what fate is. 
But often, you know, they were 

902
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,800
trying to protect themselves 
against negative thing counters 

903
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:44,100
but the celebrants if they would
kind of offer food and drink and

904
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:49,200
offer departed family members 
like a seat at the feast, then 

905
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,900
either they would be kind of 
protected from that. 

906
00:55:50,900 --> 00:55:54,900
And so when I say that I kind of
practice like a dumb supper it 

907
00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:59,800
is through this Celtic tradition
that I'm that I'm referencing 

908
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:06,500
and you know I would We'll have 
a reference to a website. 

909
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:10,100
This website is amazing. 
I kind of discovered it in 

910
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,100
looking for kind of ancestral 
topics. 

911
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,400
This website is all about 
helping people plan, end of life

912
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,800
care and like Logistics. 
It's amazing. 

913
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,400
I'm so I'm it's very practical 
yet morbid. 

914
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:31,200
I love it. 
It's all old join kake.com. 

915
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:35,800
What will put a note? 
Note in the in the show notes, 

916
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,400
but they have this great article
that, you know, outlines just 

917
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,600
different examples of it. 
And I'm pulling some examples 

918
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,700
here. 
Specifically, one of the 

919
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:54,400
Buddhist holiday Ketchum been 
PCH, um, be Ian tetraman this 

920
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,700
ancestral day, which was 
carrying for the dead ritual. 

921
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:03,400
And what they would generally do
is they would celebrate As far 

922
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,000
back as Seven Generations, they 
would be honoring specifically 

923
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:13,800
those ancestors which I think is
novel to my research, which just

924
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,000
have like this definitive Seven 
Generations. 

925
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,600
Mark. 
I was like, oh, that's like 

926
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:23,700
taxes right too soon to I know, 
I know it's too soon but I just 

927
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:25,800
like this. 
Like clear cut off, sorry, eight

928
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,900
Generations. 
We don't care but this would be 

929
00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:32,800
for 15 days each year and the 
families would create offering 

930
00:57:32,900 --> 00:57:35,500
Has of food and they would bring
this unit to the places of 

931
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:39,000
worship. 
You know, the Buddhist monks 

932
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,800
would get involved. 
And by making this kind of 

933
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:47,700
offering to the monks, they 
would help the ancestors, kind 

934
00:57:47,700 --> 00:57:52,400
of depart into the spirit world 
and the, the in exchange the 

935
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,200
monks would do chanting all 
night and really kind of do 

936
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,400
these complex ceremonies. 
But we'll put a link to this 

937
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,500
article and, of course, you can 
And I don't speak too much about

938
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,600
cultures that I'm not a part of,
or not really called to, but I 

939
00:58:08,608 --> 00:58:13,700
just thought that was as points 
of kind of difference in how 

940
00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:18,400
these things take on meaning and
different places how like 

941
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,000
involving monks was really 
interesting. 

942
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,300
And then also having that clear 
Line in the Sand around how far 

943
00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:25,900
back you actually go. 
So yeah, we cool. 

944
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,100
All right, and then I think we 
want to get into kind of Earth 

945
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:33,300
integration that the mundane 
challenges of Ancestor 

946
00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:35,100
veneration and and how that 
works. 

947
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:37,800
And I think one of the first 
things we want to touch on is 

948
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,300
problematic ancestors. 
You know, we never know when our

949
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:44,600
day is going to be when it's all
going to be over. 

950
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,400
And so you know maybe someone 
didn't leave on the best terms, 

951
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,800
maybe you didn't have the best 
relationship with them at the 

952
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:56,400
time of their death, maybe, you 
know them, you have a name but 

953
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,500
you don't know a lot about them 
because they were intentionally 

954
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:01,800
excluded from your life because 
of the way that they live their 

955
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,900
life while they were here. 
The what are you do in those 

956
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:08,500
scenarios where maybe you can 
feel like they should be on your

957
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:12,400
altar because their family? 
But you don't really know what 

958
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,700
to do with them. 
So what do you think about that 

959
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:19,700
Oak? 
Well I have a clear example that

960
00:59:19,700 --> 00:59:23,600
my mother and I were not on good
terms at all even at the point 

961
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:28,100
of her passing. 
And I honestly, I think it's why

962
00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:32,300
it's been a block for me in a 
lot of ways making that 

963
00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:35,600
connection Session with her 
required me to do a lot of like,

964
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,800
kind of forgiving, but also kind
of growing and remembering that 

965
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,500
her experience was unique to 
her. 

966
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:49,200
And it was, you know, it's it's 
not necessarily exactly how I 

967
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,700
remember it, right? 
Like, so if the problematic 

968
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:57,000
aspects of your family are based
on personal relationships, I 

969
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,900
think it's easier to rectify 
because you can personally kind 

970
01:00:01,900 --> 01:00:09,000
of Take Charge Healing meditate 
ask for answers and create kind 

971
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,500
of compassion. 
Even when it's like things that 

972
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:14,500
maybe didn't deserve 
forgiveness. 

973
01:00:14,500 --> 01:00:18,300
We like to believe that as 
Spirits transcend, they know 

974
01:00:18,300 --> 01:00:22,200
better. 
These people were alive in a 

975
01:00:22,208 --> 01:00:26,300
time that is different from our 
own, obviously, and all of the 

976
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:30,300
different social morals and 
mores of the time. 

977
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:38,200
And so, it's Short, you know, 
you can continue to Harbor pain 

978
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:43,100
or frustration or anger towards 
a person who has passed on and 

979
01:00:43,100 --> 01:00:47,600
who is now an ancestor of yours.
But there's also potentially 

980
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:53,300
benefit in forgiveness and like 
Shadow healing and making that 

981
01:00:53,300 --> 01:00:58,500
connection for your own benefit.
So I don't think you got to do 

982
01:00:58,500 --> 01:01:02,100
it, you know, like I don't think
it mean my mom passed away when 

983
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:04,700
I was 13. 
It really when I started when I 

984
01:01:04,708 --> 01:01:07,900
was 15 and it probably wasn't 
until I was like 30, like 

985
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:13,900
mid-30s that I really was 
interested in Remembering her 

986
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:18,500
and her life and trying to think
through my memories and 

987
01:01:18,500 --> 01:01:21,600
question, my memories as being 
the way they were and try to 

988
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,300
create kind of like, again, that
empathy for her situation. 

989
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,700
So yeah, it can be a whole 
bucket of worms. 

990
01:01:29,700 --> 01:01:33,400
It can be a lot of Shadow work 
as As well. 

991
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:36,700
And you don't have to do it if 
you don't want to. 

992
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,600
And if you want to great and if 
you want to at a later time, 

993
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,300
great as well, right? 
It's not that working with your 

994
01:01:43,300 --> 01:01:46,300
ancestors. 
I think I have recently come to 

995
01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:51,100
the understanding that they will
help me connect with divinity. 

996
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:54,200
They'll also help guide me and I
believe that they have guided me

997
01:01:54,208 --> 01:01:58,700
in a lot of ways and I am 
benefiting from that but it's 

998
01:01:58,700 --> 01:02:03,300
certainly not something that 
anybody has to do or No other 

999
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:07,700
way through except for 
connecting with your ancestors. 

1000
01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:12,400
So if it's a problematic, a 
painful for you then you don't 

1001
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,700
do it and you can do it at a 
later time or you could ever do.

1002
01:02:15,700 --> 01:02:17,200
It's up to you. 
Yeah. 

1003
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,300
Yeah. 
And I think it's not of this or 

1004
01:02:19,300 --> 01:02:21,000
that, right? 
Like it will, if I'm going to 

1005
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,200
practice ancestor veneration, it
has to be. 

1006
01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:25,800
It doesn't. 
And the book that I referenced 

1007
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:30,300
earlier talks really well about 
that, you know, at what point 

1008
01:02:30,300 --> 01:02:32,500
you want to cross that bridge 
and you want to make that 

1009
01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:34,800
connection Action. 
You totally can, but you're 

1010
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,100
really in the driver's seat of 
this whole thing and not getting

1011
01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:41,100
lost in the like, well the 
ancestor veneration, like the 

1012
01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:44,400
ancestors lead know, you're in 
the driver's seat of this so if 

1013
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,400
you want them on your altar, the
knew that if you don't then 

1014
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,200
don't if you want them at a 
later time, like you said, then 

1015
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,700
great bridge. 
That yeah, I mean, and you can I

1016
01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:54,900
could have worked with my 
grandparents and, you know, not 

1017
01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:58,000
my mother, right? 
Yeah. 

1018
01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:01,500
Nothing stopping you from that. 
And then we're talking about 

1019
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:05,400
sensing resistance, Practice and
may be unwilling participation 

1020
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,100
and I have lots of experience at
this. 

1021
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,200
Again, the mat Papa. 
Look at him sitting up there. 

1022
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,200
He looks honoree in his picture,
he just looks handsome, I'm just

1023
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,500
saying handsome, you met by got 
away with being so honoree, 

1024
01:03:21,300 --> 01:03:22,800
somebody out there. 
Knew he would have to be 

1025
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:29,100
attractive to be this honoree. 
And so anyways he totally like 

1026
01:03:29,100 --> 01:03:30,900
his glasses. 
The only one that's always 

1027
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:32,700
empty. 
His candles healing. 

1028
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,100
That always goes out his plans, 
always the one that's 

1029
01:03:35,100 --> 01:03:37,900
struggling. 
So, you know, it's one of those 

1030
01:03:37,900 --> 01:03:42,400
things that like for me, I've 
decided my way through it is to 

1031
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,500
listen, you're going to be up 
here because you were important 

1032
01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:47,400
to me and you can be as honest 
as you want to. 

1033
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,700
I didn't expect anything less 
because that's how you were in 

1034
01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:52,800
life. 
So I'm just going to continue to

1035
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:53,800
treat you the same way. 
I would. 

1036
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,800
If you were physically in my 
house and then now that I've 

1037
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,200
started adding my partner's 
family members up there, the 

1038
01:04:00,300 --> 01:04:03,700
definitely the energy up there 
has changed a little It some 

1039
01:04:03,700 --> 01:04:05,600
things are a little bit 
different. 

1040
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:11,100
I think at first his 
grandparents plant immediately 

1041
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:15,100
took an bizarre downturn for no 
apparent reason. 

1042
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,400
And then now it's starting to 
like live and backup as I've 

1043
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,000
like put offerings for them and 
set out things like in 

1044
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,500
remembrance of them. 
And I think it could have been 

1045
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:27,100
like a, who the hell are you? 
Like, what is this? 

1046
01:04:27,100 --> 01:04:28,400
What is this? 
What are you doing? 

1047
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,100
And they also were Christian 
people, right? 

1048
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:32,700
So how do you bridge that Gap 
with people who? 

1049
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,200
Maybe didn't share your 
religious beliefs and now they 

1050
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,600
are potentially part of your 
practice or are part of your 

1051
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,500
belief system. 
What does that look like? 

1052
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,200
And again, that book that I 
referenced earlier on your ring.

1053
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:49,600
Your ancestors also talks 
through kind of the logistics of

1054
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,000
doing something like that. 
Particular with ancestors who 

1055
01:04:52,008 --> 01:04:54,500
maybe don't appreciate 
witchcraft. 

1056
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,400
Don't want any parts in that, 
you know, is it okay to put them

1057
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,100
on your altar or what does that 
look like? 

1058
01:04:59,300 --> 01:05:01,900
Yeah, I mean there's all kinds 
of complications when it comes 

1059
01:05:01,900 --> 01:05:03,100
to ancestor veneration. 
Jason. 

1060
01:05:03,300 --> 01:05:05,800
It's as complicated as family 
Dynamics, right? 

1061
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,000
Like what if you were fine with 
them but they weren't fine with 

1062
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,400
each other, right? 
What about there was abuse 

1063
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,000
between, you know, one of your 
ancestors and the other and you 

1064
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,700
want both of them on your altar,
like that is something to 

1065
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:20,400
consider the Dynamics of. 
Yeah. 

1066
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:26,100
It's, it's complicated. 
As it should be, I guess, you 

1067
01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:29,300
know, mad if it was complicated 
in life, why wouldn't it be 

1068
01:05:29,300 --> 01:05:32,200
complicated and definitely your 
face, right? 

1069
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:34,600
And then, you know, what are 
you? 

1070
01:05:34,608 --> 01:05:38,500
If you don't know your ancestors
again, not all of us have that 

1071
01:05:38,500 --> 01:05:41,800
privilege, not all of our 
parents had that privilege. 

1072
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,600
And so, you know what do you do 
if you don't have that 

1073
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,600
relationship? 
And I think one ancestors of the

1074
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:51,900
land, right? 
You are a person of place, you 

1075
01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:54,600
can be a person of the place 
where you are, or person of a 

1076
01:05:54,600 --> 01:06:00,300
place that is sacred to you. 
And so, you can honor that on 

1077
01:06:00,300 --> 01:06:02,700
your ancestor altar or those 
deities. 

1078
01:06:03,100 --> 01:06:06,800
On your ancestor altar, DNA. 
So we mentioned, you know, 

1079
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,300
taking those DNA test and kind 
of seeing, okay? 

1080
01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:14,800
Well, maybe what culture, am I 
from, what DD's associated with 

1081
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,400
that, what important spiritual 
figures are associated with, 

1082
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,800
with that culture? 
And then from there, I think 

1083
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:26,300
also if, you know, something 
about your ancestors, but maybe 

1084
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:28,100
you don't know their physical 
names. 

1085
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,900
There's always that ability to 
put something on the altar to 

1086
01:06:30,900 --> 01:06:35,100
represent them, so we No, 
someone who knows that they have

1087
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:38,400
some African Heritage, but they 
don't know who those people are.

1088
01:06:38,900 --> 01:06:42,400
And so, you know, as with 
history, and with time and the 

1089
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:47,000
horrible non documentation of 
enslaved, people, those names 

1090
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,400
are lost to us. 
Those histories are lost to us. 

1091
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:54,500
And so, what's great about kind 
of knowing that information is 

1092
01:06:54,500 --> 01:06:58,100
that you can put something there
to represent them and so 

1093
01:06:58,100 --> 01:06:59,700
although you don't know their 
names, you don't know 

1094
01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:01,000
preferences, you don't want to 
likes. 

1095
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,900
You have something up there. 
Knowledge that they are 

1096
01:07:03,908 --> 01:07:07,500
existence and to show your 
appreciation for them, even if 

1097
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:09,900
you don't have a lot of 
historical background for them. 

1098
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:19,800
Yeah, and kind of plane on the 
land ancestors of place or if 

1099
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:25,400
you live in the u.s. you are 
live on Stolen land and so 

1100
01:07:26,300 --> 01:07:29,500
whether or not your ancestors 
have lived in a place for a long

1101
01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:32,000
time, someone was here before 
them. 

1102
01:07:32,700 --> 01:07:38,700
So researching understanding the
cultural differences the name of

1103
01:07:38,700 --> 01:07:41,900
the tribe making offerings to 
them. 

1104
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:46,800
I came from a little small town 
and there it was named after a 

1105
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,700
chief that was part of the 
tribe. 

1106
01:07:48,700 --> 01:07:53,200
And so he lives he's actually 
the only dude on my Altar. 

1107
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,700
And yeah. 
Yeah. 

1108
01:07:56,700 --> 01:08:02,600
And so that particular Chief, 
you know, on some level. 

1109
01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:08,400
I feel a lot of resistance to 
doing that because I am 

1110
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:14,600
culturally, you know, part of 
the people that took the Lynn, 

1111
01:08:14,700 --> 01:08:17,000
right? 
However, I think it's all about 

1112
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:21,500
your intention and reverence and
I'm not necessarily asking for 

1113
01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:24,200
anything I'm more, so, just 
giving reference to. 

1114
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:28,300
So, I think that's something to 
consider which is like creating 

1115
01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:31,300
ancestor veneration, not for the
purposes of game, but just for 

1116
01:08:31,300 --> 01:08:35,800
the purposes of like, Cognition 
and respect that is a potential 

1117
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,100
play in that way. 
Yeah. 

1118
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:42,500
And then, I think you had a 
really important Epiphany while 

1119
01:08:42,500 --> 01:08:45,899
we were kind of putting these 
together, but you know, that we 

1120
01:08:45,899 --> 01:08:50,800
are future ancestors, which 
makes me yes. 

1121
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:55,300
Makes me feel very finite In 
This Moment. 

1122
01:08:55,700 --> 01:09:00,700
He left, like, I have an 
expiration date, but yeah, you 

1123
01:09:00,700 --> 01:09:02,600
know, we are future ancestors. 
And so when you're thinking, 

1124
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:04,399
Thing about building this 
practice. 

1125
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,500
What would you want, right? 
How would you want to be 

1126
01:09:08,500 --> 01:09:10,800
represented? 
What? 

1127
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,899
And maybe not to the 
nitty-gritty details of like I 

1128
01:09:12,899 --> 01:09:17,200
like tea versus coffee or you 
know but imagine what you would 

1129
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,500
want there and then you can 
build that practice off that for

1130
01:09:20,500 --> 01:09:22,899
me, I know that was plants for 
me. 

1131
01:09:22,899 --> 01:09:26,800
I was like, I want something 
that I can care for them and 

1132
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,800
show care for them by keeping 
something alive for the dead. 

1133
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,600
That, that was something that I 
would want. 

1134
01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:37,700
Want for me, is that something 
in that cycle of birth and death

1135
01:09:37,700 --> 01:09:41,200
and rebirth? 
That something is kept alive for

1136
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:45,200
me upon my death. 
And so that was really kind of 

1137
01:09:45,207 --> 01:09:48,200
an epiphany moment for me, when 
you said that, I was like, oh, 

1138
01:09:48,500 --> 01:09:50,800
yeah, that's that's essentially 
how I built my practice is. 

1139
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,800
I was like, what would I want to
have up here? 

1140
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:58,500
If this was me, you know, well 
I'm glad that you had that 

1141
01:09:58,500 --> 01:10:01,100
thought because I did it. 
I only said it. 

1142
01:10:01,100 --> 01:10:05,600
I was like, yes. 
Yeah, I know I was more so 

1143
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:10,800
thinking about the idea of, you 
know, when we're journaling 

1144
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:16,400
potentially recruiting documents
that our future family could 

1145
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,700
read and could reference, like, 
I don't have, you know, love 

1146
01:10:19,700 --> 01:10:22,300
letters from my family to each 
other. 

1147
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:26,100
I don't have journals from 
anybody and it would have been 

1148
01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:28,400
really special, and I feel like 
I could have connected with them

1149
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,400
even deeper. 
If I did have those resources, 

1150
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:35,300
and I know A lot of families 
with means I think have more 

1151
01:10:35,300 --> 01:10:44,100
artifacts that survived frankly,
but thinking about also we're 

1152
01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:46,100
talking about ancestors. 
We're also talking about the 

1153
01:10:46,100 --> 01:10:47,900
fact that people have passed on.
So I do want to. 

1154
01:10:47,900 --> 01:10:53,600
Also point to you will be. 
You could be at a venerated 

1155
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:58,300
ancestor in the future. 
You also will be someone's 

1156
01:10:58,300 --> 01:11:04,200
burden to bury and to deal with 
the logistics of passing. 

1157
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,000
And so thinking about, you know,
we talked about, you know, 

1158
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:12,200
making Wills thinking through 
the morbidity aspects of that 

1159
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,200
process that website. 
I think it's a really great 

1160
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,900
reference of, like, how do you 
actually plan for end-of-life? 

1161
01:11:17,900 --> 01:11:21,400
This is how the hell is this? 
Not something that is talked 

1162
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,900
about in high school like screw 
head. 

1163
01:11:25,700 --> 01:11:30,200
Look I'm going to die, you know,
how did we not anyways? 

1164
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:37,400
So thinking about both yourself 
as like, you know, it's great to

1165
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,700
leave things for people and to 
you know, but it's also great to

1166
01:11:40,700 --> 01:11:44,100
not leave them with burden. 
So that would be potentially 

1167
01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:48,000
something that's very 
down-to-earth in this topic we 

1168
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,700
could make to. 
Yeah yeah. 

1169
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,900
Anything else on the topic 
Danny? 

1170
01:11:53,900 --> 01:11:58,000
No I mean I think we've kind of 
I've exhausted all of our our 

1171
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,200
Collective knowledge here, so I 
think we're about ready to close

1172
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,000
it up then. 
Awesome. 

1173
01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:05,800
Well, thank you so much. 
I mean the details of your 

1174
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:09,600
practice and how you share that.
I really appreciate it and 

1175
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:13,200
inspired by it. 
You're so sweet. 

1176
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:15,500
No. 
I I really appreciate to like 

1177
01:12:15,500 --> 01:12:18,700
seeing someone else's practice 
because I really built this off 

1178
01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:20,300
of that book that I referenced 
earlier. 

1179
01:12:20,300 --> 01:12:22,800
And and we really thinking 
through the logistics of like, 

1180
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,600
what would I want to see if I 
was my face was up. 

1181
01:12:25,700 --> 01:12:28,400
What would I want to see? 
And so it's really cool I think 

1182
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,200
to see other people's practices 
and be like oh no that's 

1183
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:32,700
awesome. 
That you keep something up there

1184
01:12:32,700 --> 01:12:35,500
for the names. 
You don't know you know on on 

1185
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:38,000
your ancestor altar because I 
don't have that. 

1186
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:42,800
I'm a very finite real there's a
visual and so I think it's 

1187
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,900
really cool to maybe even put my
great-great-great 

1188
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,100
great-grandfather up there 
because I only have a name for 

1189
01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:53,100
him but he was important, you 
know to our history. 

1190
01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:55,400
So yeah. 
Well thank you for being so 

1191
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:56,100
specific. 
Pacific. 

1192
01:12:56,100 --> 01:13:00,600
I hope it's it's always 
inspiring to me and we know that

1193
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,000
we're only doing this podcast 
for selfish reasons. 

1194
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:09,100
So, thank you. 
All right, guys. 

1195
01:13:09,100 --> 01:13:12,200
Well, we will follow up with 
another episode and here in 

1196
01:13:12,208 --> 01:13:14,500
about, I guess, by the time 
you're listening to this about 

1197
01:13:14,500 --> 01:13:18,200
two weeks from then. 
So, as always, which is blessed,

1198
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,500
be and be well,