Welcome back to two real witches.
Hello, and blessed be I'm Oak, I'm Danny, and we're a couple of
practicing witches seeking initiation into a gardenarian
tradition of Wicker. Every Full Moon and New Moon,
we're discussing things we're learning and researching for
sharing magical discourse and hold space for other witches to
do the same. We're two real witches shooting
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So if you're into the occult, the esoteric, or the
otherworldly, come hang out with us in the liminal space of
sound. In today's episode, Oak will be
skimming the surface of astrology with her Astro
one-on-one two-part course conversation.
We're discussing the primary variables of modern astrology
and the uses of astrology. So zip up your spacesuits and
let's go universe divining. I just love your little intros.
They just warm my heart. That was so cute.
Danny, I do the can, you know. Yeah.
So in today's episode, we're going to be covering the first
two elements of the topic, the air element and the fire aspects
of them. So with the air, we're going to
go over some resources and I'm going to outline the many
variables of astrology. I will actually leave a larger
resource book list in the second part of the conversation around
astrology. Because the variables will take
up a big chunk of conversation, cuz there are a lot of them.
Spoiler alert. And then in the fire aspects,
I'll talk a little bit about the different uses of astrology and
how to find an astrologer for a reading if you've never done
that and maybe some things to expect.
I'm very excited to jump in. Pumped are you?
I'm so excited. I have like 5000 questions which
I'm going to wait and see if they all get answered and
contain myself but I am so pumped.
I'm very excited about your questions.
I am excited to say I don't know and.
The deeper you get into astrology, the more questions
you have, not the more answers. So, right, right.
Yeah. All right, well, before we get
too far in, what you up to? What's going on with you?
Tell me, what are you learning? What kind of classes, workshops,
books do you have going on right now?
Yeah, so error updates well. I am just continuing to nerd out
about astrology and fill in all of the little bitty gaps as I
finish my Astrology deep dive and research paper for Outer
Court. So yeah, I'm trying to take on
nothing new, but rather just getting into being able to
articulate even the minutia of some of these topics has been
like a great exercise for me and feels like I'm doing a final
study for. The topic of 101.
So yeah, nothing more. Not don't learn about anything
else. Just tying up loose ends.
That's the focus right now. I'll.
Tell you I'm learning about boundaries is what I'm learning
about. Love that for you.
Boundaries and consistency. Some things after my heart you.
Yes. How about you?
What are you what are you learning up to?
Workshops. Book I I I mean, I assume that
you're kind of in the same boat as me, but yeah, I am.
I am setting a limit to myself that I'm turning in my paper
tonight because I'm at that point that it just is what it is
and any more tinkering is just going to F it up.
So I just need to let be just just release it from my grasp,
post it, be done with it. So just working on finishing
that up and and being happy with it.
I think I'm just putting a lot of pressure on myself because
the topic, I just want to do the topic justice.
Like if that's the first time someone's reading about it, I
want to cover it succinctly and really give them a good picture
of it. And so I am constantly like
fighting over like sentence structure and am I including
enough? Should I not include that like?
Yeah. And I think just to just to
clarify, because maybe, I don't know, maybe people didn't hear
us connect about this in previous episodes, but as part
of our Outer Court experience, which is a training group that
prepares people for potential initiation into the Gardenarian
tradition, I'm seeing Gardenarian.
And what we do is we do a lot of workshops and classes and basic
information and part of our traditions, outer court has us
do these types of deep dives in different topics, ones that have
maybe not yet been dove into by the other people in outer
courts. And so we're kind of creating
this space of referenceable. Information about different
topics. And so it's really cool because
you know, one of our other out of court mates wrote about
mycology. I'm writing about astrology,
Danny's writing about folk traditions in Appalachia.
So we have a big array of topics that we can learn from each
other. So these papers are reflective
of what we've learned, but also are going to serve as resources
for other people that come into our coven and our tradition.
Yeah, super valuable. And I also know that this could
be, like, someone's first exposure or impression of us.
Then there's that, like, added layer of, like, this was the
first thing anyone ever read or knew about me because it's a
good reflection of me, you know? And so that's the other I'm.
I'm just putting too much pressure on myself.
I just need to turn the damn thing in.
Just turn the damn thing in. Yeah, it's great.
It's great. And then also just updates if
you're keeping up with Danny's book countdown.
Yes, I am on 20 and I reading the book that I actually picked
up at Summer Magic Fest. So I'm reading Poison Path
Herbal by Kobe Michael and I'm loving it.
I was hoping that I would have it finished by now so I could
really give you guys like a good book review of it.
I'm loving it. I would not say it's a beginner
book in that I have had to like Google a lot of things that I
was putting together but they're doing really great job of like
connecting thoughts. I haven't connected before So
you would love like there's astrology pieces in in there
like there are whole chapters dedicated to Mercury and Venus
and Saturn like whole chapters and so it's it's it's really
good but it's definitely not for someone who like just wants a
quick fund read. You're going to be Googling
stuff, so. Yeah, yeah.
Cool. All right, well, let's talk a
little bit about some of the things that we're up to, some of
our fire actions, as I'd like to say.
What irons do you have in the fire, Danny?
So again, try not to add more, just trying to get through.
So I finished up the mango wine for last Sabbath.
Now I'm getting ready to start apricot wine for llamas.
Very excited about that. I'm really excited about the
mango one. I just.
I love mangoes. So mega wine.
It's gotta be delicious. There's just no way it couldn't
be. And I love stone fruit.
So Apricot's very exciting. Yes.
Yeah, it's all gonna be next year is gonna be so delicious.
Next year is gonna be so good. And then I am stalling out a
little bit on oil ideas, so you know if something comes to mind
or if anyone out there and the other is listening.
Just well, we could potentially use astrological inspirations to
identify herbs that would be appropriate for the season.
That could be a way of thinking about it.
My gosh, send me all your thoughts and ideas.
Yeah. Cuz I'm doing that thing where
I'm like, well, everything went into the last one, so I want to
refine this one and then I'm like, well, nothing goes into
this one. So yeah, so tell me what you're
thinking, because I've got a whole lot of stuff and just
don't know how to put it together in an oil.
Yeah, I'll have to bring some of the essential oils that I have
too, because I never go through essential oils fast enough.
So maybe you could. Get some of that okay.
So my yeah, what am I doing? Well I'm just working a lot
Update Mars is entering Virgo I think like tomorrow or sometime
sooner. Already has and I am feeling
that vibe, so lots of organization.
Change management I I'm doing just ton of like presentations
and creating tradings and creating documents and resources
for work. So my work schedule has changed
drastically and I'm probably working, I don't know 25% more
hours than I had been. So in response to that, I am
trying to focus on. Planning vacation so I can see a
light at the end of the tunnel. Yeah.
And I think just to really focusing on all of my time
management skills and like time blocking things and making sure
that if I say yes to something, I have already secured a time
for when I would be able to do that.
And you know, boundaries the lore.
But yeah, the scheduling of vacation is what I'm very
excited about. Yeah.
That's my my fire is trying to just not turn into a forest
fire. That's that's what I'm doing,
staying alive. All right, If we transition into
water, feelings, relationships, oh, what is what is going on in
your life right now? That I don't know about, Yeah,
well, I am, as I said, scheduling everything.
And just as part of that, just trying to not fixate on the
future and all the things that I have coming up, but rather just.
Stay present because there's a lot of cool things happening.
And the other thing is I'm just. I don't know.
I'm feeling tons of gratitude for all of the people that are
in my life. I feel very blessed and don't
really know. Like tracing back, I'm like, Oh
my gosh, Danny is the most amazing person and I would have
never met them but hadn't been for this outer court.
And could you imagine us not knowing each other?
No. How sad did our existence be
right now? What we would be doing right now
if we wouldn't be recording a podcast, what would you be
doing? No, I napping.
I mean, maybe, but still. Yeah, you're right.
You're right. I would.
So yeah, So I'm just feeling, you know, tons of gratitude for
all of my relationships and my friends and.
Feeling very supported by all of them.
That's that's where I'm at with my water updates.
How about you? How are you feeling?
Sweet. I have almost reached Fuck It
mode. Like that's where I'm at.
Right now. So right now I'm kind of an
anxious mess. You know, I've talked about
this. I'm a planner.
And so when I don't know the plan or like I I can't see
what's on the other end of this. I feel anxiety, maybe the
anxiety. So there's just a number of like
looming things that like don't have confirmed dates, times,
activities and that is making me feel a little chaotic like even
like work stuff. There are things that are
happening in the next two weeks that we don't have confirmed
dates for. And I'm like, so we're just
going to show up and do The thing is that what's going to
happen? So that's kind of where my brain
is, is I'm just entering the get through it phase where I'm just
like, alright, we're just going to show up and do the thing.
We're just going to show up and do the thing.
I think. I think fuck it suits you just
fine, you know? Yeah, I wanna show up and be
great. I'm just gonna show them be
great and you're just gonna get whatever I come in with cuz I
have no preparation. Yeah, I thrive on that.
I assume that 70% of you is still probably 110% of other
people's efforts. So you are you should find.
You should slip into fucking mode and feel good about it.
What about like Earth updates? So any?
I mean, obviously you have some challenges around seeing.
The clear writing on the wall of where things are going.
But yeah, what about purchases? Are you treating yourself to
anything well? So a few episodes ago I told you
guys that after Summer Magic Fest I decided I really enjoyed
Stacy Williams Ings presentation and then looked into some of her
Oracle decks. Never really been an Oracle
girly, and so I purchased that one because she had some really
great points around like not using Forms of Divination for
ancestral reading, not using forms that they would not be
familiar with, or like I can iconography that they would not
recognize because what messages are they actually giving you
then. So I purchased it and it just
finally arrived. And so I cleansed it last night
and I went ahead and did like my first reading and it made me
feel so good about like everything that's going on
because. So I kind of wanted to know like
what are their thoughts about where I am spiritually?
Like how are they kind of feeling about what's going on.
And essentially I got like the answers, I got just a three card
pull. We're one of them is like, it's
like a praying baby Angel headstone.
And it's about like the loss of innocence or like essentially
the death of a child. Right.
But it's not about the actual death of a child.
It's just that feeling. And so I got it reversed.
And so I took that to mean, like, I know that you think that
we are going to think that this is not the right path because
it's not, you know, in line with Hannity and all those things.
But like, we don't see it that way.
Like, we don't feel that way about it.
And then the other ones were about like sense of community
and belong. Like it was essentially like a
we get what you're doing, we see where you're going, we think
it's fine. You do you.
And I thought about that. So now it's all up there on my
altar. Just.
Hanging out. I see it.
Yeah. Nice.
Awesome. I I just had.
I have curbed my purchasing quite a bit.
I just want every to know it sounds doesn't sound like it but
I have, I swear. But I have the coolest terrible.
I hate to look this word up because I've never pulled it
that before. Okay.
Well, it's specific. It's specific.
So most people when burning the charcoal disk to put loose
incense and would use a like a sensor.
Cauldron. Right.
So that's the general go to and then a sensor could be a
cauldron, right. So that's vice versa.
But a terrible very specifically is one that's designed to be
swung. Oh, OK.
I'll just show it to you. Gonna see it.
I'll grab it right now. Well, I mean, I saw versions of
it on Google, but. OK, OK, Did I saw this word and
I was like, well, I don't know. Does she misspell?
Thimble what? Is Oh, I'm glad I could bring a
new word. That's good.
Yeah. I mean the, you know, me and my
feelings around gold things. I don't like gold.
I'm OK with brass. Like I'm OK with brass in my
ritual room. But I only have Chrome Silver.
In the rest of my house. So I was able to find a silver
terrible, which I'm very excited about, that doesn't have any
Catholic crosses on it, which I was gonna say as soon as I saw
it, I was like, this looks like a Catholic sensor, yeah.
It is very much that, yes. Yeah, awesome.
And then do you have something else?
Do you have something else in your?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ordered some new shelves.
So that I can do some rework and add some additional countertop
space for my expanding, ever expanding alter needs, making
room for, you know, maybe some new guts to come into our lives.
So yeah, I love your like, commitment to creating like a
space. Or meanwhile, I'm just being
like chaotic, like Swamp Witch, and I'm just like, and in my
kitchen here are all of my spices lined on the wall and
it's very hard. That's great.
That's amazing. I create a space and I'm like,
it's wherever I am. So if I'm in the game room, this
is now a magic room. No, that's what's up.
Yeah. I mean, the altar is where the
hardest, right? So.
I just happen to be able to have the space, so I take advantage
of it and yeah, yeah, so, so shelves.
Cool. Alright, well thanks for
catching up and sharing where you're at.
I literally, this was actually us catching up.
It's not like we caught it beforehand, like this is maybe
the longest we haven't like, seen each other in person in a
bit. Like a It was your birthday.
How was your birthday? I mean, it was great.
You know, it was. Yeah, I scheduled doctor's
appointments all day, so that tells you how old I'm getting.
To be fair, they weren't just for me.
They were also for the kids. So it was totally legit.
Yeah, it was chaosity, but it was great.
That is like the most adult birthday ever, you know,
Everybody got their glasses. I got contacts.
That that's meaningful, Yeah. Being able to see things clearly
that's a great our dental needs taken care of.
I mean, I'm just saying into the new, the new cycle of the year,
feeling very caught up on all of our healthcare needs, you know,
that's awesome. All right, well, are y'all
ready. Blast off to outer space.
Just kidding. That's cheesy.
Gonna be like astrology, astronomy, MM, HM, MM.
HM Very connected. Very, very connected.
That's right. Yeah, Okay.
Cool. So yeah, we have, as we talked
about it in the beginning, we're gonna go over the air topics and
we're gonna go over the fire aspects of this topic.
So when I say the air topics, what we mean is the logical
aspects. So this is maybe just the
information heavy section and it is going to take up the majority
of time today. I'm going to try to be as clear
around the different topics as possible and we'll we'll see how
it goes. So Danny, you want to kind of go
through some of the things that we're going to talk about and
then I would be really interested in knowing just
because this is all just selfishly for us which of these
topics that are in the air. The AIR section here.
Which of those topics do you feel most confident and
understanding? And which do you feel least
confident? Because I'll use that to inform
our our time. OK, so see, we've got Zodiac
here. I feel pretty, pretty good about
that. Houses, I I feel good about
placement. But as far as like understanding
what they all mean, I know that there are sectors and I know
they have meanings. I just don't do well with like
rote memorization. So not so hot on those planets
is in parentheses and that is making me intimidated because
I'm like, do I know the planets now?
I'm not sure. It's in parentheses.
And then placements is something I I think I'm a little confused
about because when I look at a chart, it's not like other forms
of divination where you like, you ask a question and then you
do the thing and then that's your answer.
Like if you're reading the Natal chart, it's like, bam, here's
everything. Where do you start?
Where do we, where are we going? I just that it's so that's where
I'm like. Am I?
Am I looking at like Zodiacs? Am I looking at planets?
Am I looking at houses? Like where am I starting first
is the method to the madness for me?
And then as far as aspects, I don't even know what that means,
so. Perfect.
Yeah. Maybe it's actually an order of
your confidence. Yeah.
Is that true? Look at you.
Just knowing you're like this
might be good, but this stuff right here.
Yeah, I mean honestly too, right, Like that was in order of
my confidence levels of these topics as well prior to diving
into them. So I think it's just the logical
way that we would be able to understand the information as
the popularity of these things are also like people talk about
the Zodiac all day, but people don't necessarily talk about the
aspects. So I'd say those are also, you
know how popular they are. But yeah, so we're going to get
into the Zodiac. What do I mean about the Zodiac?
What is it? Zodiac.
So the Zodiac is the big chart. If you were looking at it, it is
all of the constellations that are divided and you would hear
the Zodiac referred to by sign. And really what you could think
of is zodiacal sign, right? Because a sign is a
constellation in the sky. That we can see from our
geocentric vantage point. Ooh, those are some big
expensive words. Okay.
So what do I mean by that? So geocentric means, like from
the position of Earth is how we interpret astrology.
Astrology predates the understanding of a solar system
revolving around the sun, which is heliocentric, right?
So we still talk about and are able to use the information from
and the trends and correlations that the ancients were working
on because we still are on Earth and see the sky, see the heavens
in the same way that our ancestors saw it because we are
still on Earth. However, if we moved and lived
on Mars, well, that would be much different.
Sadiacal. Interpretations.
And when the humans go to Mars, we're gonna have to do this
whole damn thing. The whole damn thing.
That's right. Maybe not everything, but the
Zodiac would change drastically because the Zodiac is
geocentric. Does that make sense?
We get there, yeah. Would Earth then have its own
meaning? Yeah.
Yes, yes. And she's a she, just in case
you're wondering. OK, so let's talk about she the
only one that's not a boy. Venus is also a she.
That's right. That's, yeah.
And otherwise. And moons are often referred to
as she's and there's all kinds of asteroids that are she's, but
we won't get into that because they weren't like this is
already hard enough. They're like, you know what,
let's add other pieces of. That's right in there.
That's. All right.
OK, so Zodiac equals the big pie.
So if you're looking at a Natal chart, if you're looking at even
a chart of today's placements, you will see the circular pie
like model with a lot of little dots.
The dots are different stars that when you connect the dots
in a certain way you create these constellations.
And the constellations have myth around them and were created
with this kind of myth. So I'm Sagittarius, right?
So my constellation of my sun sign is the Archer.
And if you looked at the constellation of the Archer, you
would see it looks like an Archer.
So that's it. It's the stars connecting to
make constellations and the different constellations.
In their position, make up the Zodiac.
So there's twelve of them, you know, one for each sign.
However, each sign has 30 degrees, so there's 360 in
total, right? Which lines?
Because it's a circle. That makes sense and it's the
reason when you hear someone say I have a placement of, let's say
Mars and Aquarius, they will say I have Mars at 12 degrees of
Aquarius. Yeah.
OK. That's good, right.
So when we say degrees, we mean degrees like at what place in
that constellation because constellation is big, right?
At what place is Mars or is your Mercury whatever, right.
And when we're talking about placements, we're talking about
degrees rather. We're talking about where is a
certain planet luminary asteroid in the.
Sign. And so it could be at 12
degrees, it could be at 24 degrees, or it could be at 30
degrees. Okay.
All right, I think I'm following.
And then what is it? Is it clockwise?
Like when you say 30? I'm going to my right.
That's a good question. I don't fucking know, man.
Honestly, that's good. We'll put that in the answer to
your question. I love that.
Cuz then I was like, wait a second, which one is which?
OK. Yeah, yeah, we'll get back to
you. Let's add those that.
But I will say what I do know is that there are different ways to
divide the constellations and depending on different
placements on Earth you would see things differently.
So there are systems. This is like where you get into
the crazy complexities when you hear something like side side
rail or tropical system. Of Zodiac, that's how they're
just dividing the the Zodiac differently.
There's a lot of other variations.
We're not going to get into that because we're staying surface
level, but there's different ways to divide the
constellations depending on where you are on the Earth,
where you're looking at the heavens.
So I think that the probably the thing to understand about the
Zodiac is that they are just star placements, right?
They have nothing to do with the planets, necessarily.
However, there are rulers, quote UN quote of each sign.
Right? So I am again Sagittarius Sun
sign. The ruler of Sagittarius is
Jupiter. Does it mean that my Jupiter is
placed in the Sagittarius sign? No, right?
But they have this kind of relationship.
They also have a relationship with an element.
Element being one of the four elements.
Right? Air.
Earth. Fire.
Water. So as a Sagittarius, I have a
planetary ruler of Jupiter and I am a fire sign.
Good so far. Yeah, you.
Are your sun cancer. I didn't prep any of this.
This is just off the cuff. This is how good I am.
Are you ready? So you're Cancer, right?
That's where your son is. When you were born, the sun was
in the constellation of Cancer. That's why you're Sun sign
cancer. I don't know what degree, I
don't know what degree it was. I don't know where in that
constellation. I don't either.
I have 4 astrology apps. I could pull one of them.
Up Okay. But the ruler of Cancer is not
the sun, it's the moon, right? And it's the only sign that's
connected with the moon. But there are not 12 planets, so
some planets share signs, if that makes sense.
Because math okay. Great.
Alright, so we've gone through the fact that.
Astrology is geocentric. It is the Zodiac refers to the
entire collective 12 constellations each
constellation it can be called a sign.
There are different degrees in that sign.
There are up to 30, which makes up the 360 of the Zodiac, and
there are lots of different ways to divide that side rail
tropical. But there are also these other
associations like planetary rulers, elements.
And there are also this other thing, which is called a
modality or a triplicity, and this refers to the modality of
each sign. There's three different
modalities that describe each sign, and they repeat
themselves, right? So there's cardinal, fixed,
immutable, and those repeat four times for 12 signs.
So there are 4 cardinal signs, there are four fixed signs, and
there are four mutable signs. Have you heard this cardinal,
fixed, mutable term before? I I read an entire astrology
book and I think I absorbed approximately 10% of all of the
knowledge in there. So I know those those terms, but
I don't think that I like cemented their meaning I guess
in my brain. And really, what this is, the
modality describes the sign as it relates to the season.
Okay. So I have this chart.
We're going to put all these little cute charts in our show
notes cuz I think they're fucking helpful.
I mean, I had to make these up. I haven't been able to find
charts that contain all of this data in one place.
Really. So yeah.
I mean, I'm sure they exist, but yeah, it would keep doing a
novel thing I love. That I don't know.
I'm sure it's been done before. You know, no new things in the
sun. All right, so let's start with
the idea that there is an order, and this does go in an order
around the circle starting with Aries ending with Pisces, right?
So the first sign is Aries, and this begins if you can see the
sun. Dates would be in March, so when
the sun is in. The sign of Aries, We consider
that airy season, right? And if you notice that March,
April and May, those are springtime.
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. Okay.
So these are we're going to see this is the modality within
springtime. We have the starting with Aries,
we have the cardinal sign of Aries.
Taurus is the fixed sign of spring cardinal.
Sign of spring is Aries. The mutable sign of Spring is
Gemini. So what is the definition?
Like what cardinal? So glad you asked.
Thank you, thank you for asking. So I just want to show you.
The pattern here though, is that it goes in order and it repeats
cardinal fix mutable, Cardinal fix mutable, right.
And it repeats four times. And the reason it repeats four
times is because it's dividing each season's signs into 3
modalities. The math is just mathing so good
right now. It's just like threes and fours
and twelves. Yeah, that divides so nicely
into 12. Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful,
these people. Had nothing.
They didn't have TV. They were thinking about these
things. They made this make sense.
Okay. So what does each modality mean?
Well, modality refers to the qualities that are associated
with that sign. So a Cardinal sign is the first
of the season. They're often born leaders.
They initiate things they have this kind of energy around, like
jumping in and pushing things forward.
They're the movers and shakers. Like, they don't just sit around
waiting for things to happen to them, right?
They are the initiators. So that's Cardinal.
And that's the first part of the season.
So in the spring season, Aries is the cardinal sign of spring
moving on, tourists being the fixed sign of spring?
Fix means this is fully in the middle of the season.
Meaning like this is when that seasonal energy is fully
expressed and so because it's fully representative of the
season, it is thought to be the upholder or defends positions it
kind of protects. And preserves traditions.
It is the least welcome of change.
The fixed mindset, if you will and they often will defend, you
know, situations and responsibilities and goals,
right. So they're very connected to
that. So the fixed sign of tourists,
tourists, folks are. I mean, that's very much how
tourist qualities are described is.
They are maybe not super flexible and they do actually
enjoy some tradition sounds very Boomerasque.
I my dad is a Taurus, my boss is a Taurus.
It's. I have nothing but Tauruses
around me, so I'm just here to shake up their world.
Okay and then mutable mutable signs.
This is the end of the season, right?
These are the people that are most adaptable.
They can shift into many different forms.
They can take on personas. Very, very flexible.
And for Spring Gemini. Is the mutable sign.
Well, that makes sense, right? A lot of people think of
Gemini's as being able to hold multiple truths that yes, Yeah,
that like conflict with one another.
They can hold multiple truths in their mind at once because they
are adaptable. Thinkers love that Gemini and I
can never keep up with. Like I feel like she's arguing
with herself. Did you want my opinion?
Yeah, you didn't even have to come to the argument.
She's got out. Okay.
So you know going through of course we have like the next
after spring would be summer. So we have cancer Leo Virgo
cancer Cardinal Leo fixed Virgo Mutable and then we have fall
and then we have winter. Right.
So I'm sedentarius son, so I am a mutable sign of fall.
What? But it's the winter time.
It's not the winter time in Florida.
This actually aligns perfectly. So yeah, all right, good on the
modalities. Does that make sense?
So it's just like another way of describing the energy of the
different signs. And it's slicing them up into
seasons and three parts of the season.
Nobody ever said that shit to me.
It took me so long to understand that I read a whole chapter
about it and still was like, I don't How do I?
How do I know who's a cardinal? Are they red?
What does that mean? I thought they were a bull.
Why are they a cardinal also? Yeah, some of us are also birds
and I don't, but not necessarily the air signs.
I don't know what we're doing. Yeah.
So I made this little chart here again, we'll link this in the
notes of the signs. Next to that is the
constellations that just identifies that your
constellation is the crab constellation because you're
cancer. And then we also I've listed the
elements that are associated with those.
The modalities. The modern ruler, meaning the
modern planetary ruler, there are repeats.
For instance, Gemini, the ruler of Gemini is Mercury, and it
also is the Mercury is also the ruler of Virgo, right?
And then I put the Sun dates that are associated.
When we say it's airy season, we're referring to when the Sun
is in the constellation of Aries.
Love it and then tell me your thoughts on cusp.
I know you have very. Yeah, they're just not real.
Yeah, because there's no, like, there's no .05 degree of
something, right? Like, there's one degree, and
before that there was 30, and before that there was 29.
So if you're born on a day, the only reason that cusps were
invented were for the purposes of publishing horoscopes and
papers in like the 1920s. Yeah, I have a whole thing that
I could talk about and share, and I'll go into that in the
water section when we talk about the history of astrology and
how, like, how the fuck we ended up with like super popular sun
signs when that's maybe the least accurate for people's
personalities, right? But it's less accurate than like
your rising sign, right? But yeah, great question.
Love it. Costs aren't real because.
Placements are in degrees, and there's clearly a degree that
placement is. And their whole degrees.
Yeah, Yeah. Now that makes a lot of sense to
me. OK.
All right. Awesome, Good.
All right, So we went through Zodiac.
We went through one thing, let's go through another 20.
OK. So the next thing that I would
say would make sense in understanding approaching these
topics would be the house systems.
That actually seems somewhat advanced and the reason that I
connected the house systems with the Zodiac.
Is because it's easy to visualize the house systems in
relationship with the house systems and the Zodiacs, right?
Zodiac and house systems kind of go together in that they lay on
top of each other. So if the way I describe it,
here's my kind of shitty analogy.
But if the constellations are dividing into different signs,
they could be the toppings on the pizza.
All right. Are you with me?
Okay. So we have 12.
Different little areas that have 12 different little toppings,
right? So let's say this little pile
over here, pepperonis that makes up a crab that is Cancer.
And then we have like maybe a little sausage pile over here.
That's not a gross, but a little topping, a centric pile over
here and maybe that makes up the Sea Goat.
And so that's Capricorn, right? And so on and so forth.
Of course, we would have to say anchovies for Pisces.
This is a pun. This is an Astro.
How do I get pineapples? I want pineapples on.
Mine. I think that gives a really
strong Gemini energy to me because so many people are anti
pineapple and Gemini's be like well, pineapples are beautiful
fruit and some people like it and some people don't.
However, if people like it, then you know you could see savory
and sweet. Like those things are really
popular elsewhere. Why wouldn't we do it on pizza?
That's right. That's right.
OK. So the different toppings of
this pizza, let's call those the constellations, they're in like
little groups. And then the way that you come
in and you slice the pizza, that is the house systems and so they
don't always necessarily fall in the Zodiac.
In certain house systems they do not.
I happen to use whole sign system of houses and for me they
all align. And for most beginners the whole
sign system is the easiest system to reference because we
don't get this complication of the 1st house landing between 2
signs. Yeah, yeah.
The OK, yeah. So the, you know, there's lots
of different house systems and. The biggest difference is how
the house is not really how they're interpreted.
The interpretation of the house systems and the meaning of each
house does kind of stays the same, but instead it's like
where they have cut the pie. In some some systems they would
cut right through that pile of pepperoni and it would be in you
know a first house pepperoni and have second house pepperoni.
Although, you know, maybe on the other side of pepperoni the the
pineapple got in there too. Right.
And so it makes it somewhat more nuanced and sometimes people
think it's more accurate, but it is more complicated.
And going through and comparing different house systems
literally could be like a whole another episode.
But I will say that most astrologers agree that the whole
sign house system is totally fine for a basic understanding.
And these systems don't contrast one another in a lot of ways.
Sometimes house systems can be actually combined to further
interpret. Which is like, mind blown.
However, it did make me feel better about the fact that there
are multiple health systems. Because I didn't learn about
this until, like, maybe six months in of me like, OK, I'm
going to learn astrology. And then I was like, great,
Everybody agrees on what planets mean.
Yep, signs are all the same. Nobody's kind of mean different
ways of interpreting it, But it's not really like, Nope,
that's dumb. This is wildly different.
Yeah, the house systems wildly contrast.
So you could have your first house placement in Capricorn in
one system, and it could be literally first house in a
completely different space in another system.
This created some dissonance. In my mind I was like, wait, so
then. So then none of it matters,
right? Yeah.
If it's if it's not true, then then how can I trust that what
I'm doing is right? And the again, the thing that
really made me feel good about it is this idea that sometimes
house systems can be layered on top of each other for additional
understanding. And again.
Laying more Oracle cards on tarot cards to, like, dig into
them a little, Yeah, yeah, okay. And so the house systems
themselves are really about separating the 360 chart into
different areas, right? We could say cancer people have
spirit, like deep spiritual connections, but they also have
this strong connection with relationships.
Relationships define a lot of their lives, but that isn't
necessarily when we talk about the house systems.
The first house in Cancer has a different meaning because the
1st house system is going to not refer to a certain planet, but
instead it's referring to this area of your life being the
House of self. That would be one way to save
first house system. So if you think about the
interpretation of first house system, it would be about
yourself, about how you make first impressions, your general
attitude and reflection on life, how you approach life.
It's it's the House of self. So if you have cancer in the 1st
house, and if you have a cancer son in the 1st house, then
you're very self actualized because you have the sun which
is the planet of self in the House of self.
But the idea of cancer adds that narrative as well.
OKI think we're doing good. We're doing good.
All right, so there's. So, I mean, I'm not even going
to go into all the different house systems.
Some popular ones are this whole sign or people sometimes call it
house sign systems. Others include equal house or
another version of this is coke. There's like lots of different
versions of house systems that we won't get into today.
But don't be alarmed when you recognize that house systems can
contrast each other. It's okay.
It all still works. You don't have to throw it all
out. It's still okay to believe in
it. So with this layer of house
systems in the constellation, you will never have an empty
house because there's a lot of stars in each house.
Just because there is not a planet, luminary or asteroid in
that planet doesn't mean that that house doesn't have all of
these beautiful stars that make up the constellation, right?
So even in back to our first house cancer placement, maybe
you didn't have anything, like the sun wasn't there, the moon
wasn't there, there was no planets there, nothing.
You would still have the constellation of Cancer in that
first house. So there's no empty houses.
Okay. Yeah.
Cuz when I look at my Natal chart, there's somewhere to me,
it looks like there's nothing, right?
Right. And there isn't any transiting
planets or luminaries or asteroids potentially, but there
still is this constellation that's connected with this topic
of the house, right? And that's why people will say
it means obviously a little bit more and brings more attention
when there is a house with a constellation with a planet
inside of it, right? That's going to add more to the
narrative. And if you had a lot of these
planetary bodies in a constellation in a house, then
that would mean even more, right?
Because you have this high concentration of energy
happening. Yeah, it's happening here, Okay.
OK, so the house systems help us create even further
understanding of the Zodiac by creating these kind of topics of
areas. There are 12 houses just like
there are 12 signs. Is that confusing?
Yes. Or just just nice and full, you
know what I mean? I think that's why I was
confused looking at a Natal chart is because I assume that
those 12 things, the first time I saw them were the 12 houses.
And then I see these symbols in there and I'm like.
Okay. So how do, how do these things
fall? But it's not.
It's. It's the Zodiac.
And then the houses just kind of fit into that.
Yeah. And so with the system of whole
sign that I'm using, those two separations of constellations
and houses are the same right there.
But in some systems, the constellations would stay where
they are, and maybe the house system would shift differently.
Just a little bit, Yeah. Okay.
Cool. I think we're doing pretty good.
There is a I could go through and describe every single like
modern title of house systems, but I really don't like when
podcasts go into reference material and like list out 12 of
something like. Can't remember it.
I can't remember it. Well, what's I mean?
Yeah, like just give me a chart. So I'm just gonna give people a
chart. What I'm trying to explain here
is the variables of what is a Zodiac?
What does it mean? What's the variables?
How do people think about it? All right, let's go to the house
system. How does that work?
What does it mean? And then you can look up the
individual meetings of individual houses in this chart
That will provide each house system does not have a direct
planetary ruler. However, sometimes we can think
of each of these houses as having an archetype.
So like Aries in the 1st house is reflecting very similar
energy right? Areas is very like self aware,
self starting and the beginning of things and that is all like
first House Energy right? Whereas something like
Sagittarius 9th house that's that house title is the House of
purpose and this is about travel, higher education,
learning, ethics, morals. Those are all very Sagittarian
vibes. Yeah, yeah.
And you could then go another level and say, well, what is the
ruler? What is the planetary ruler of
Sagittarius? Well, it's Jupiter.
So now we have this connection of 9th house Sagittarius.
Jupiter, yeah. Yes, and I love these charts.
For me, what charts do is they help me make connections between
things and help me easily contrast ideas.
I love. Just give me, give me a
reference guide. Yes, that's what I want.
So I'm. I'm with you.
I love it. Love it.
Chart. All right.
We went through Zodiac. We went through house.
Now we're getting to planets. And why were why did I give
little air quotes to planets? Well, in astrology there are
asteroids or dwarf planets, which are just called planets.
The sun is not a planet and sometimes it's called a planet,
right? In astrology, like if you get
deeper into astrology, they call those luminaries, they call the
sun and the moon luminaries, right?
And then we have the other planets.
Wait, I thought Pluto wasn't a planet, right?
But let's just call them planets because there's enough
complexity in astrology. You don't have to.
Yeah, and there's a whole. And again, in the water section,
when I get into histories, I will talk about asteroids.
And this adds additional complexity because Is Pluto an
asteroid? Is it a dwarf planet?
How do we compare? Like there are some asteroids
that have been pulled into a cycle that rotate just like
planets do, and they're large and you can see them.
So why would we not also call that a planet?
We don't, because we already made-up all the planets.
We said that's enough nothing. We said that's enough.
The third graders can't learn this.
That's too much. That's right.
It doesn't fit into the into all of the different little tricks
they have to learn. All right, so planets, I guess
the first thing to say is that these are generally, like,
pretty widely agreed upon in terms of the meanings and
associations. So if you're looking for
concrete information, that probably won't change.
We talk to astrologers. Start with planets, the sun.
Usually everybody agrees on kind of what the sun means.
Everybody kind of agrees on what the moon means.
There's very little debate about those things right Each planet.
Sorry, why do you think they like that?
Like, this is the point where we're like, no, we don't need to
argue about that because I think it's the first thing that we
thought about, like historically, going back
millennia, we looked up at the sun and we said, like, what does
the sun mean? It means this.
And if you don't have a meaning for planets and you can't build
on the interpretations of anything.
So I just think that that's like one of those things that was
considered initially along with the constellations like those
are the primary aspects of astrology in my historical
research that I could find. So I think the older the
information and the longer those things have been considered, the
more consolidation of opinion there are around those topics.
So like 200 years from now, we're going to.
Stop arguing about how systems. I don't know.
I don't know how to be true. I don't think things get more
simple usually unless there is, and I mean again so I'm not
going to get into history part. But there's been so much
information lost over time through different cultures.
Pooh, poohing astrology and then other cultures being like, no,
it's great. And then other cultures being
like and that same culture then changing its tune and hating it,
right. So we there's so much that has
been gained and lost over time, but where we are right now is
that we just keep adding information.
We're not, we're never losing anything for the most part
because we have these data systems.
So I'm not sure if things will get more consolidated or simple
for those reasons. OK, planets.
The amount of time that each planet UN quote spends in a sign
of the Zodiac depends on how long it takes for them to orbit
the sun. Planets that are closer to the
sun are going to orbit faster, therefore they're going to
change signs more quickly than outer planets.
That makes sense. Yeah, we're good there, yeah?
Yeah. That tracks alright, So it's
pretty nerdy and cool. So you know, you're kind of
making the like astrology, astronomy, and it's like there
are lots of overlap there. So I'm just going to say yes,
right? But like if you look at the
moon, the moon changes signs multiple times in a week, right?
It takes one month for it to go through all of the different
signs. Therefore, if we take one month
and we look at 12:00, well, that's how long.
If you divide those things, that's how long it spends in
each sign. Mercury takes 3 months to rotate
around the sun, Therefore it spends longer in each sign,
right? And Venus spends even longer in
each sign. Venus takes seven months to go
around the Sun, and if we divide 7 months by 12 signs, then
that's how long it stays in each sign.
So there is a lot of astronomy and astrology and understanding
how the things connect. All right?
What else is trying to say? Astrologers like to group
together. These quote, UN quote planets
into different sections and they are connected not only by
proximity but also how they're thought about and their
interpretations. OK, so there are let me give you
the groupings. There's personal planets,
there's the sun and moon, the luminaries, there's the
transpersonal planets, and then there's these social or
generational planets. So personal planets.
This is our Mercury, Venus, Mars.
This represents our daily life and it changes often, right?
So we have lots of ups and downs in our life.
Sometimes, you know, work is really firing off.
And we got Mars and Virgo, right?
Sometimes the sun being in Cancer makes you want to just
take care of yourself and crawl up with a nice soft blanket and
a candle and just live your best indoor life, right?
All of these planets that rotate quickly are referred to as
personal planets. I actually just looped in the
moon which is luminary. But those also have a very
personal connection to humans, personal planets and luminaries.
They represent daily life. They transit and transit means
moving right, so they transit through signs very quickly.
The transpersonal planets is consists of Jupiter and Saturn
or thought to show this kind of connection to the transitions of
life beginnings and ends. So this is being positioned
between the inner planets and the outer planets though in the
middle right? And they help us kind of
navigate these gateways of our experiences of both the mundane
but also of the spiritual. So Jupiter is thought to be the
great benefic and Saturn is thought to be the great
Maleficent. And Jupiter is right all about
expansion. And it's like here for you, here
for your goals. It wants you to have more and
more and more and Saturn wants you to have less and less and
less and it wants you to have boundaries and it wants you to
be stoic. Whereas Jupiter is like do more,
be an epicurean type person, right.
So these two planets have a direct relationship to each
other that that are also very contrasting.
OK, so this is a transpersonal planet now going to the
outermost planets, which are called our social or
generational planets of Uranus or Uranus, Neptune, Pluto.
These often cannot be seen by the naked eye.
They move very slowly and a whole generation could
experience the transit of a planet in a certain sign.
So going down to my little chart here, I can see that Pluto takes
2000, 977 months, which means 248 years to go around the
entire Zodiac while circling the sun, right?
So if I take 12 and divide that into that number, I would get a
number like. I didn't calculate this, but you
could do the math. Let's call it what?
What is that #12248 / 12? Let's.
Do that math. That's right.
That's what it calculates for. All right, So.
So Pluto takes the longest to go around the sun, and therefore
it's going to spend the longest time.
So a whole generation of people are going to experience Pluto
being in one sign. And that's why they're called,
like generational planets. Yeah.
And there's also this idea of whole societies experiencing
Pluto, right? We had recently the US's Pluto
return in Capricorn, and so that meant we had a experience of
deaths, separation and endings, with Capricorn being of like
resources and like money. So if you see Pluto and
Capricorn, you might see a depression.
That's a common connection. As an example.
OK, so these are again personal planets, transpersonal planets
and what we call social or generational planets.
And then of course we also have the luminaries.
So these planetary energies also could be traced.
You know, their stories and their naming conventions come
after gods. These are both Greek and Roman
gods. They're mixed up in there,
although I think most people understand that Greek and Roman
gods are quite similar, but they have these kind of shared myths
around the gods, right? Mars, being the God of War,
embodies the energies of Mars. Additionally, I would say that
there's another way to think about the planets or to
understand the planets and that is with this kind of like energy
model contrasted with this like myth based model.
So this energetic and there's lots of different philosophies
and ways of understanding and schools of thought around
astrology, where it's not necessarily about the houses or
interpretations of things differently, calculating charts
differently. It's like how you think about
these energies. So for an energy, as I was just
describing the difference between Jupiter and Saturn, we
have the energy of Jupiter being one of expansion.
More multiply, get more right? And then we have the energy of
Saturn as being shrinking or pulling in or making less of, if
that makes sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
And I think the energetic model is a really easy way to help
kind of simplify some of these thoughts because you can get
quite complex with how you understand planets.
All right, moving on. There are also, beyond this,
these kind of understandings of planets.
There's also planets are thought to have these like relationships
with the Zodiac, which we already talked about, right.
Cancer has a relationship with the moon, and each of these
relationships could have been further identified as dignities.
This is like advanced kind of stuff, but it's still like
one-on-one kind of stuff, right. So if you've ever heard a oh,
that's the that planetary ruler or that's the planetary exile or
detriment this is referred to. This whole idea is the idea of
the planetary dignities or essential dignities of the
planet. So there are four of them.
Yeah. So there is the domicile or the
detriment, right. So domicile is like good,
detriment is not as good. There's also this exaltation and
fall, right? So exaltation is like great,
amplified fall is not as amplified.
So to give you a definition here, the domicile or ruler of a
planet in a specific sign expresses the truest nature of
that planet, right? So if we have, let's say.
Jupiter and Sagittarius, well, that is right at home.
That is the ruler of that sign. And when Jupiter is in
Sagittarius, it is going to be able to express itself most
fully. However, when it is not in its
ruler or domicile, it's in detriment or its fall.
The planet would struggle to express itself and it will find
unconventional ways to express itself.
And there's going to be some action.
So this isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Some people will say, Oh no, in my Natal chart I have Saturn in
Sagittarius, and that's a bad thing.
That's a hard angle. That's a negative thing because
it's not in it's, you know, domicile.
That's not true, right. It's just talking about the
planet is going to express itself differently in that sign.
And if it isn't detriment, then it would be, you know, it would
find a really hard way to express.
It's kind of like expansion energy.
So it may find kind of interesting ways to express that
energy and it could, you know, but there certainly is going to
be action. The exaltation, similar to the
domicile or ruler is where the planet is not just at home but
it is like amplified. And then the contrast of that is
when it's in its fall. So not only is it not
comfortable, but it really creates challenge.
And there's kind of like some guaranteed inaction where you're
going to find a lot of lessons, you're going to find a lot of
wisdom. But there could be like
manipulation, you know, or kind of just challenge, right
involved. And maybe the fall is maybe the
most negative version because there's not action.
I guess it depends on how you feel about action.
But there is, yeah. So the planets and how they
relate to the signs have these essential dignity relationships
where we are seeing it either be fully expressed or amplified or
challenged or really challenged, if that makes sense.
Yeah. So for like the exaltation in
the fall, is that determined by the degree to which it's in an
opposing sign or how? Like, yeah.
So it's not about, it's not about the placements in contrast
to other things. It's literally just about this
planet is connected to this sign and it complements or amplifies
that sign and when it is in this other sign, it's just like the
energy of that sign and the energy of that planet are just
so contrast that it creates an issue.
So let's look at my little chart that I have here.
So I have listed again, we're going to leave like the chart we
have planets, how long they take to orbit the sun in both months
and in years, what grouping they fall into, whether it's this
personal social transpersonal luminary, their energy based on
that energetic model and what their ruler is and what their
exaltation is, what their exile and what their fall is.
OK, so let's look at, let's look at Jupiter, since I've been
talking about friendly Jupiter, who wants the best for you and
wants more and more and more so the grouping.
This is a social planet. This is a planet of expansion as
I said, rather than contraction like Saturn.
And it's ruled by Sagittarius as I've said, but it is exalted in
Cancer. So when Jupiter gets into cancer
it is amplified more, more, more, more self-care, more love
and yeah, sweetness. And then when we have Jupiter in
Gemini, that's when it is and not comfortable.
And there's something's gonna happen, right?
There's gonna be something that's some action that's gonna
be expressed in a like unconventional way, that energy.
And then when it's in Capricorn, there's gonna be some lessons
and it might get a little sinister.
I love that. I love that you lay this out
this way because this is how my brain works too.
So, like, someone could have written that all in a paragraph
and I'd have been like, I don't know, Yeah, yeah.
I mean, even when I'm talking about them, I'm like, are these
words helping or hurting? Yeah, let me reference the
chart. Yeah.
So helpful. So maybe we need to just ask
everybody to pull up the show notes and follow along.
Do that. If you listen to this and you
got lost, go back, pull up the show notes.
Start over. Yeah, review the charts.
Okay, we are one hour in. I'm going to keep moving.
So we were just in Zodiac houses, planets.
Now we're going into placements, placements.
When I say placement, I'm referring to the position of a
planet, asteroid luminary or quote UN quote point of interest
in the sky as it relates to other things, right.
So when a placement is described in a chart right, we would say,
oh, you have Saturn in Aquarius at 12 degrees, that's the
placement, right. However, there are these things
called mundane angles or we call them intersections and this is
specifically of the birth chart there.
Astrology goes far beyond obviously just Natal charts and
birth charts. There's lots of reasons and uses
of astrology, but we do have some interesting details and
placements in a birth chart because it's about a point in
time of an individual. So going into these points of
interest, we have mundane angles or intersections.
We also have lunar nodes. I'm sure you've heard of that.
I'm going to talk about those two things because these are the
most commonly described things. So when I'm saying mundane
angles, I'm talking about the ascendant descendant, the mid
heaven, and the immune immune coli.
People just say I see and MC because that's a Latin word and
it's real hard to say for me. So we have the Ascendant or the
rising, we have the descendant, we have the MC and the IC.
If we create a horizontal access through the center of someone's
birth chart, this is going to be the easternmost point in the
sky. Or if you're looking at a chart,
it's going to be the thing on the far left right and it is
your ascendant and what it is describing is this point on the
horizon at your time of birth. It is like the point of where
the sky meets the ground and it's the exact time of your
birth, right? Because things are going to move
potentially very quickly through those different signs and change
often. So This is why you need your
birth sign, birth time, in order to find your rising and like
literally like right, my ascendant is Scorpia, right?
So when I was born, if you looked out, if you went outside
to the sky and you looked in the easternmost point, you would
have seen the constellation of the Scorpion, right?
The Scorpio constellation, the little scorpion image, the
descendants, the other side, the westernmost point and it is
again creating this horizontal axis.
Okay from the if you took a completely perpendicular angle
here and drew another line making a perfect cross T
intersecting, this would be the vertical axis.
At the very top we have the mid heaven and at the very bottom we
have the icy. All right okay.
So that's how you create those angles.
What do they mean, Michelle? Well, that's a great question.
The Ascendant represents how you project yourself.
The mask you wear, the skills you have, the talents you have,
the strategies that you're going to adopt to navigate your life.
That's often the Rising sign, and we talk about these points
of interest in their zodiacal placement in their sign.
So I'm Scorpio, Rising, right? The descendant?
What is that? Leo rising.
You know you're Leo rising, right?
So with that it is talking about your beautiful hair cuz you
forget that. Life is my charm.
That's it. That's right.
I mean, right. These strategies that you adopt,
charm people's pants off. I love it.
That's when you shine. That's how you adopt.
I love it, Okay. So the descendant is the
relationship is the thing that you're seeking in relationships
with others. Do you know what your descendant
is? I don't and watch me immediately
pull up one of my 18 astrological okay.
So we have the 8th, the ascendant descendant.
The ascendant is often called rising.
We don't really call falling the descendant.
I don't know the MC or mid. Heaven is a person's public
life, maybe the standing career. And probably more importantly it
describes the purpose in life. I've also heard this described
as the thing that you're going towards in your life, whereas
the I see is what you have brought into the this world
naturally. So, like these are your
ancestors, your family roots, your home, your foundation.
Good on that. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out
my descendant, but that that's not even in here.
It has ascendant in mid heaven, it has innode and chyron, but
that those aren't the same things we're going to talk about
that. It's just it's literally the
opposite. So if you go directly across
from your Leo, let me figure this out.
So if I go 6 steps, 123, well, we're not doing right now.
I'll calculate this later. All right, we're going around
time. We're going to do a whole.
We're going to do a whole, whole rundown of your stuff.
But these are points of interest that these are not planets,
these are not houses, These are not signs.
These are like points of interest that we have
identified. Another point of interest is
going to be our lunar nodes. Have you heard of your like
South node and N node? Yes, I literally had the north
node. Yeah.
There's a S node, yeah.
And they're represented in your chart with these little, like,
horseshoes that are like, upside down or right side up.
I had no clue what a lunar node was forever.
I knew what it meant, and I knew it's important, but I had no
idea. It's literally like if the sun
has, if you could draw the representation of the sun's
rotation around the Earth. That's not how it works, but the
visual movement of the sun around the Earth and the visual
movement of the moon as it goes around the Earth.
The intersection of those things at the time of your birth is
your lunar nodes. So again, this is another thing
that you're going to need if you have like you need your time of
birth to be able to calculate accurately your South and N
node. Interesting.
Okay. So, and I also have this really
nice little diagram that I found that I'll include in the notes
as well that shows that inner the intersection between the
sun's path and the moon's path. Yeah, and they meet up twice.
Right, perfect. Yeah that make sure it makes a
lot of sense. Love it.
OK so the the north node is these is what you're reaching
towards the the north node and and South node I've heard is
like a dragon and the north node is what you're reaching for and
like this is your fullest potential and the South node is
the things that you need to release leave behind.
You already brought that into this world.
That's a part of your maybe karma that you're having to let
go of. If you believe in karma, it's
going to depict often energies and emotions the relationships
that you've had in your past and potentially in your past life.
Cool. Yeah, yeah.
I'm following along. Love it.
Where's your N node? Do you know that one?
It says I'm in Capricorn. It's one of my only.
Well actually I have. I have a couple Capricorn
placements in my truck, but you have that.
I love that. So as you climb that hill, as
you continue to focus on stability and monetary gain and
work ethic, then you're reaching and you're manifesting your
fullest potential. So this makes so sense.
So much sense around like your desire for consistency because
that's part of your N node. Vibes must have, must have, do
not know how to operate. Otherwise, you are no.
But I mean, so like, but this is amazing, right?
I don't know if the younger version of you had this track or
found value in those kinds of qualities.
Is that something that you found over time?
I think it's yeah. I think it's something because I
didn't grow up with that. And so something I put a lot of
value in is consistency and stability.
Yeah, Yeah. Well, then you are living your
best life. Astrology says okay.
So those are, those are additional placements that one
could have where we would see signs, right.
So all of these, you know, you don't say like, oh, I have Mars
on my N node. You don't say that, right?
You would say I have whatever, I have Aries on my N node.
So you refer to these placements and there's a die call
placement. Cool.
Got it. I feel like I'm a baby
astrologer. Yeah.
I mean, just knowing like what
the fuck a lunar note is, is like, yeah, you're you're beyond
where I was 2 weeks ago. So there's not okay.
So aspects for me are the thing that I have pushed off and will
continue to push off until I feel super comfortable with
other topics. Because this literally is just
another layer of this astrological onion, yes.
And I have heard of these two and this is the part in those
apps that I skip over. Yeah, cuz I'm like I don't even
know what to do with this information.
You shouldn't do anything with it.
And I would say that until everything else makes total
sense and you can say you have the son in the 1st House of
Aries and you know what the fuck that means?
Until you know what that means, don't move forward, right.
All right. So however, just to hold space
for this idea, so that I think this is still 101 in my opinion,
if like maybe this is the final part of this is when you get to
the end of your 101 class. But these aspects describe the
relationships between the planets and the points of
interest, right? So it could say we can look at
how where is the placement of Saturn and Jupiter.
We could say where is the placement of Saturn in
relationship to your N node, What is the aspect of those two
planets? Aspects are angles.
This is where geometry. People talk about geometry.
I'm like, it's not really that big of a deal.
It's not a big deal. Don't talk about aspects and the
degrees, just talk about them like what shape are they making?
Are they making a square shape? Are they making a triangle
shape? Are they on top of each other?
Right. Don't make it complicated.
OK. So these are certainly the
degrees of influence are you know what we call these aspects,
there are more than these five primary that we're going over.
But again because we're in a 101, we're going to keep it to
just these five aspects. There are more, yes, there are
more. Can you Can you believe it,
There's like five more, I'm not sure.
So let's the general, these are the generally used referred to,
you've heard this before aspects of relationships of planets and
positions. So conjunction this is when
there's zero bit of an angle and maybe like 1 degree 2 degrees.
I don't remember exactly where the drop off this year but they
would be often like within 30 degrees of each other.
I believe is I'll have to double check that See, I don't know I'm
going to make a little note question mark what is where does
it not become conjunct okay. So this is when we're combining
the energies. So we know we've been talking
about Mars. Mars has this energizing speed
up projection energy, right? And when and the moon is
described as maybe unseen, emotional, maternal, past
influences. When we have a conjunction of
Mars and the moon, we are combining those energies.
So we're getting maybe an aggressive emotion, aggressive,
you know, maybe conflict with your mom, I don't know.
Broad strokes. That makes sense.
We're combining those energies. When we have opposition, which
is the opposite, then this is going to create tension.
But the tension's not necessarily a bad thing, right?
It could lead to empathy, or it could lead to insecurity, but
it's going to create some tension.
OK, so whereas we might be combining energies with Mars and
the Moon, if we contrasted those, that would be way more
dramatic, right? Where you could just be like
giving your emotions more space and focusing on your emotions
more, because Mars is conjunct your moon and that becomes a
focus that you're putting energy towards.
If they are opposed, maybe that's when we actually have a
fight with our mom. OK, great, squaring, let's say
that's 90 degrees, right? Making a little square angle.
This creates tension, which could lead to action or
learning. So again, this is a quote, UN
quote negative angle because it's not supporting it.
The others support, right? Maybe the most negative angles,
there's going to be this opposition and the square.
How do we contrast those two things?
Well, when we have tension with opposition, it could lead to
empathy, but it could also lead to insecurity.
When we have, it is a far more friendly angle.
The square position is right because this is going to lead to
action or learning. Then we have trying and sex
style. So altogether it's our
conjunction, opposition, square, triangle and sex style, which is
this Pretty Little star glyph, right?
So the trying supports other energies and relieves the
frictions right? So they're going to not only
combine them, but it's going to support each other.
Maybe not as much as a conjunction would, but it's a
positive angle. The sex style being 60 degrees,
the trying being 120. This is also going to support
these energies and can be thought of creating new
opportunities. Do I don't know what the fuck
that means? No, I don't.
But we're not there yet. But I can at least tell you what
it means because I wrote it down on a little chart okay.
So I have gone through the Zodiac, the houses, the planets
placements and these little points of interest and aspects
I'm going to that's all of our like, you know, charts and
variables that we're going to touch on.
Are there other asteroids like Chyron?
Are there other points of interest?
Absolutely. But we're gonna put a pin in
that and say that's 201. Right, right.
No, cuz I think that's the important.
Yeah, that's the important thing.
Yeah. You have to create boundaries
when you're trying to understand a system.
You can't learn to drive a car and build a car at the same
time, right? So like, we're going to create
and say, hey, these are the things we're looking at.
We're going to look at houses, we're going to look at planetary
placements. We're look at these points of
interest. We're going to look at the house
systems as they relate to constellations.
We're going to choose a really easy house system to look at,
right. And so on.
OK, I feel like that was all very, like, digestible.
Like my brain is like, oh, that was some dots you hadn't
connected before. This makes a little bit more
sense now, OK? OK.
What was an AHA for you? What was the biggest?
Aha, I think one. And I now I go back to the
conversations that we had with Joseph, the astrologer, and I
was looking at my Natal chart and I'm trying to follow him
along. It was that not all systems, the
houses and the Zodiacs lineup. So I'm like looking at these
things and trying to find them and I'm like, I don't know where
the 1st house is because I don't know.
I don't know what I'm looking at, like I don't know what I'm
looking at. So I I think understanding why
people use whole sign now makes a lot more sense because that
would be just another layer that my brain would not know how to
hold additional space for. I think it's easier to
consolidate those two things mentally.
For me, the math math's better that way, yeah.
Yeah, it's just like, can we simplify these variables until
we're ready to digest a more complex layer of the onion?
Cool. All right, well, that's going to
be our end of our air section. Now we're going to go into fire.
In this section, right, I'm going to talk about just quickly
the different types of astrology or uses of astrology.
And then I'd love to just give some kind of conversational
suggestions in my opinion of how to evaluate astrologers for your
own reading. And that actually kind of
talking about how astrologers, how to find astrologer and how
to think about astrology from the maybe consumer standpoint.
I had not really thought about that until I was talking about
it with a friend of mine. And I'm like, yeah, there really
is a lot of nuance there of like how to choose the right
astrologer or what is the benefit or detriment of choosing
a different astrologer. So I'm excited to talk about
that. Yeah.
OK. So there are, you know, I'm
going to give broad strokes again, kind of the most basic
understandings of different types.
When we talk about astrology, everybody is so concentrated on
like personal Natal astrology because that's what they hear.
Right. They often hear like I'm a
Scorpio, right? I'm a Scorpio Rising.
And they may hear I have Mars in my 10th house, right.
They could hear that. But the amount of time,
somebody's just talking about general transits, like, hey
everybody, Mars just moved into Virgo.
We're all going to potentially feel this is, you know, looking
at current transits. That's not about personal
astrology. Right.
I mean it's going to relate to that, but it's different.
So other than these personal Natal charts, we could look at
different types of electional, mundane, maybe analysis of
patterns and cycles or this historical astrology, we could
look at medical astrology and relational astrology.
Those are the ones I'm going to talk about.
And the first one is this Hauri Hauri it looks that would have
said. For very, I don't know.
I tried to get the definition like or the pronunciation rather
off of Google and it still didn't help.
But it's. Yeah, HORARYHORARY.
Yeah, I don't know. So this is one of the earliest
forms of astrology. What?
It didn't start with personal astrology.
No girl. That was like a much, much later
invention. It's, you know, this form of
astrology is still very much practiced today.
And what does it do? Well, it looks to answer a
question. It looks to create an answer
that is either positive or negative, but also provide like
the influences and insights that a queer rent should consider on
the topic. This is, it would analyze the
stars and the you know all of the other variables.
At the time that the question was being presented.
So it takes a snapshot. You know with the Natal
astrology, it takes a snapshot when you're born.
Astrology is for this form are going to take a snapshot when
you ask the question and then look at all of the different
transits that are happening and give you an answer like yes, you
should do that, maybe no, don't do this and consider all these
other things. Whereas electional astrology is
doesn't seek to give you a yes or no.
But rather, it's trying to tell you the best time for something
to take place, right? So should I marry John the Hari
Hari? Astrology is gonna tell you yes
or no or some things to consider, whereas election will
tell you when to marry them. Like you're having a winter
wedding. That's the time to do it.
Exactly. Other things for electional
astrology could be, you know, looking at the fortuitous, I
can't say that word, fortuitous times around things like
weddings, proposals, maybe, like breaking ground on construction,
starting a business, etcetera. Starting a podcast.
We should look at our electional astrology for that, for when we
started our podcast. That would be fun.
I'm going to sneeze. Can I sneeze?
Thank you. I think you should just sneeze
off mute. I think we should all just.
Experience that I sneezed so loud that my sound bowls rang.
Okay that was, the vibrations are coming off of you at such
high magnitude right now, your frequency is so high.
Man. All right, so elect.
We have these, Ari. Someone, someone smarter than us
is gonna know that. And I hope that they're laughing
their asses off right now. At least I'm not trying to
present it like, oh, this is totally how you say it.
That's one of those words you like read 18 times you've never
said out loud. And the first time you gotta
talk about it to someone, you're like, yeah.
Oh shit. I have to say it out loud in my
ring. Okay, so electional.
Let's talk about mundane, so mundane.
Astrology is talking and trying to predict or create some
correlations between major world events.
So this you know. In this form, we would analyze
historical cycles and patterns and try to identify.
What may come in the future, right?
So I'm going to give you an example.
I don't know that this is totally perfect, but as an
example, when I was looking up some of the mundane astrology we
had recently around COVID time and a Saturn Pluto conjunction.
Saturn being boundaries rules, Pluto being ending of things
like fucking table flipper, right?
The last time this happened was in 1982.
And this marked the emergence of HIV and AIDS epidemic in the
Western world. The same thing happened in 2020,
and this is happened to coincide with the COVID pandemic.
Interesting. Isn't that so interesting?
Yeah. So while the conjunction hasn't
historically always been connected with like this health
centered crisis, there's generally unrest when these two.
Planets come into a conjunction. There's a very popular book by
this super academic person, Richard Tarnas, and he wrote
this book Cosmos and Psyche, and this is very, very popular in
like all of the astrology world. This is like.
One of the books that everybody reads when they first get into
it. The book is massive and it has
an academic tone. But this guy spent like 10 years
researching and writing this, talking about a lot of these
kind of mundane astrology topics and predictions and how these
kind of like how the cosmos relates to us and relates to
kind of history. Very interesting.
So, OK, so medical would be next and this is?
Just with the goal of helping to identify potential points of of
challenge, that's when they experience in their health.
It's not going to give you a pinpoint like, oh, you're going
to sprain your ankle in June of 2020.
That's not going to do that, right.
It's going to say though, you could be experiencing some ankle
problems, so you should take care of your ankle.
Interesting. And then yet another.
Way astrology is used is relational, of course, right?
Everything has to go back to just just talking about love and
and sex, right? So there's two types that two
ways maybe to analyze a relationship.
And this could be not just, you know, a romantic relationship.
Could also be a partnership. Could be, you know, you and your
boss's connection. It could be you and your child's
connection. So relationships are more than
sex. Michelle, get over it.
OK, Sorry. That's clearly where my mind
went. It doesn't help that it looks to
be called synastry. So nasty, that does not help at
all. Okay, yeah.
So the first type is the synastry.
Synastry got it. The synastry type, which is it
interprets. It has an interpretation where
you place one chart on top of each other, on the other, right?
So one chart on top of the other.
And it's going to look at the aspects of the planets and of
course the houses and the Zodiac, and it's going to try to
predict, you know, strengths and weaknesses of this relationship.
So it's looking at a lot of aspects.
We don't want to do that. Don't ask me anytime soon to do
a sinister reading. Okay, I will be asking you in
the next month. Can you?
I need like a year, but that's okay, all right.
The next system would be a composite.
So instead of looking at these aspects, it actually I mean
still is kind of like laying one on top of the other to find the
midway point between them and then that midway point is
analyzed. And when you say midway point,
do you mean that horizontal line or do you mean?
No, I mean like okay, so in a circle because that's how the
stars move and they actually move Winterson's or
counterclockwise. I don't know if I knew that,
Okay, yeah. They are going to.
Am I saying that wrong? I don't know.
I'm questioning everything now. Let's just redact that.
OK, so, but let's say we're looking at your Mars and my
Mars. We're going to find the halfway
point going around the Zodiac and find where that placement
is. And then that's going to be our
relational composite placement, OK, does.
That make sense? Yeah.
I mean, yeah, as much sense as all this can make without, like,
the practical application of us. Like, all right, let's do the
thing, yeah. It's going to make as much sense
as it can while just talking about things, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And honestly, that's like the
fun thing is like when you start to be like, okay, like, I
logically understand these topics Now let me prove to
myself, I do or don't by trying to calculate some things.
But you know, and that's I think generally whenever so many
people are being introduced to astrology, there's always this
advice that like just think about your own chart.
Right. Don't think about like mundane
astrology or election astrology. Just focus on Natal personal
astrology. Because you know yourself better
than you know anyone else, right?
And so you can make these personal connections for
yourself. Once you have understood how to
read your own chart, then you can start thinking about how
other people are presenting in their charts.
Yeah, now that makes a ton of sense.
Yeah, just be selfish at first when you're learning.
Yeah, that's how all learning should be.
Yeah. Yeah.
All right. So those are all the uses.
So we have this personal Natal chart.
We have this, we have this electional, mundane and then we
also have medical and relational.
Those are all just examples. Of course there's more examples,
but those are the broad strokes. One-on-one, second, fine.
All right. So finally, you know we're all
you're doing so good, Danny, you're staying so engaged here.
It's only been an hour and 35 minutes.
This is perfect. This is okay.
This is great. Okay.
So last thing I'm gonna leave. With is How to find an
Astrologer and like things to expect when you find an
astrologer to do a reading for you generally.
I mean readings can really vary widely in price from free if you
have people who are trying to learn astrology to $300.00 like
it's not uncommon for A. Just straight up needle chart
interpretation to be that amount of money because often these
people are spending just hours calculating this information.
So it's not at all, I mean too and how long did it take them to
understand all of these layers of astrology like I would, I
mean I guess there is an upper end of what I would pay, but I
think there's a lot of takes, a lot of time.
So the first thing that I would say you should consider when
trying to find the right astrologer is.
Just admit your level of understanding, right?
And with that in mind, is it better for you to have an
accurate reading, like the best, most accurate reading from the
most advanced, most experienced, highly respected astrologer that
you won't understand what they're saying, but you trust
what they say to be true? Or is it more valuable for you
to be able to follow along with what someone say?
Yeah. Because it is very unlikely that
you're going to find a advanced guru astrologer who's going to
be able to dumb it down to your level.
In my experience, that's what I found.
Yeah, this reminds me so much. I had a calculus teacher Once
Upon a time. Again, your girl's really bad at
math. I don't know how I've ended up
in this class. This is a bad life decision.
And so I struggled in his class, not just because it was
calculus, because I was like, who?
What is this guy teaching like I don't understand.
And then I found out that his degree was in applied
mathematics, meaning the literal application of the mathematics.
He never anticipated or wanted to be a teacher of mathematics,
and so he he could not explain the concepts in a way to teach
me them. But he's fucking brilliant.
But he could not explain it to me.
And also like you wouldn't generally expect somebody who
has that type of maturity and who has that many years in this
space to then also hold the class for you, right?
Because that's what we're talking about.
Like they would have to explain, well here's what this planet
does and here's what that planet does.
But with all that being said, if you are trying to maybe.
Get a reading from someone who is a guru and you're okay with
the idea that you will not be able to follow along and you
will find value in following up on those ideas later.
And like learning something that new, then it's great and that
makes total sense. But if it's going to frustrate
you because you don't know what they're talking about, then
that's probably not a good use of money.
What I would say to you is like generally in the different modes
of delivery, right, you can do it in person, virtual, recorded
or even like typed out interpretation.
Most generally they're going to give you notes or allow you to
record the session so that you can review it.
So for me, I had the first Natal chart reading that I had was
with a woman who reads. Not only obviously, everything
that we're talking about here, and I had no idea.
Half of the time she was talking about things, but she also does
interpretations around all of the asteroids.
And so she started talking about serious and she started talking
about Demeter. I'm like, what do you mean?
What? What was happening?
What? We've never even realm.
Like I said, yeah, of mythology, how we entered, what are we
doing? And she's like, you should just
know that your mother struggled with alcohol is like, oh, she
did. You're right.
And so she was amazing and accurate and perfect and I just
had no fucking clue what she was talking about.
So, but I had a recording of it and listening back on it and as
I, you know, continue to try to expand my knowledge base, it was
actually great. It was like a great resource
that piqued my curiosity, gave me a reference point, and it was
valuable. But for other people it would
probably be frustrating. The other thing to consider
other than your level of understanding is your
personality, right? Are you somebody that likes to
have it given to you straight? Are you somebody that gets going
to need some movement and flexibility in the
interpretation to allow for your natural expression of free will?
You know what is your How would you want someone to give you
advice? And let's find an astrologer
that reflects that style, right Joseph that we talked about at
the Summer Magic Fest that we were connecting with Lovely,
super fun guy is not not going to be so vague with his, like,
interpretations of things that you don't know what it means
just because he's trying to avoid saying something and maybe
quote UN quote negative or quote UN quote scary, right?
Like, he's okay to say those things for me.
That's that's that's what I need, right?
I need somebody to be like okay. Here's what could happen, and
here's what to consider. Not there's a wild card in this
area which could, you know, like stop being vague.
I would rather you tell me bad news than vague news.
So personality okay. Finally, again, modes of
delivery. You can have an inperson
reading, you could have a virtual zoom reading, and you
could potentially have somebody just record their them talking
about their interpretation without you being there or type
it up. Recordings, recordings,
recordings. You should always be able to get
access to the recordings or some type of notes.
Generally they're going to give you copies of charts and make
notes on your charts or something akin to that.
But you should not expect to leave emptyhanded, nor should
you expect to not be able to somehow record the information
for future reference. So that's it.
Kind of. Astrology.
Did the whole thing. Look at you go.
I feel like you just ran a marathon.
Yeah, I mean it was a short, short marathon and you know,
you're just make it, make it all so simple and fun.
So I'm sure it was more fun for me than for you.
But no, I mean that that connected a lot of dots for me
That like, I could read 18 books about astrology.
But I think I was probably only absorbing.
I think. I think if I'm being kind to
myself, maybe 20 to 25% of the knowledge.
So this helped to like synopsize a lot of ideas together and it's
so helpful just to be able to be like, hey wait, what does that
mean? Or hey, this is a question that
popped up. Do I have to read five more
chapters to get the answer to that question, you know?
Yeah, yeah. I mean, even from our
conversation today, which I think is also another useful way
of learning is like interacting about these topics.
You prove to yourself what you do and don't know.
Like I don't know how many degrees something could be
considered in conjunction with another body.
Right. So I'm like, great, I'm going to
go look that up and figure it out.
But yeah, OK well, this has been wonderful.
Next, tell us. Well, next we are going to be
covering the topics of. Water and earth.
So with water we're going to go over all of my really fun
history. I love good history, especially
when it comes to like a cold things.
So I'm excited to share that. And then I'm also going to along
with the history I'm going to share like the thought leaders
in that space because it's just you know, we had a lot to cover
today. So cover some books that I would
recommend for people or maybe popular.
Go to books and then in the earth topics.
I want to probably primarily focus on some real life
examples. So I think that's when we could
go into some of our chart analysis and kind of share some
of our chart stuff. Her eyebrows just went up, not
that anybody else cannot see, but her wonderfully belated
eyebrows just like so good. Yeah, so I should have put up.
Purchases for my birthday. I should have been like, Oh
yeah, I purchased eyebrows for the first time and they look
amazing. It's such a good investment.
But yeah, so I want to go over just kind of like the
applications of these things and why would you like, why even
care about astrology and how would you interact you know, how
would you use this to inform some of your decisions in life.
And then I think also how to deal with because right Earth is
like reality integration but also challenges like what is the
argument against astrology? How could you potentially not
defend, but maybe give a clarity as to how people like the
philosophy of, like how people think of astrology and maybe,
you know, explain that to your partner or your aunt who thinks
you're crazy for talking about Mars being in Gatorade, You
know, right. Yeah.
So do. That's in the microwave.
Again, catering. It's in the microwave.
All right, well, I am super pumped.
So one thank you for like synopsizing all this
information. I think those charts, if we can
get them posted in the show notes, are gonna be unbelievably
helpful for people to reference and kind of wrap their mind
around a topic that has so many different variables and slices
to it. So that is fantastic.
But I am so pumped to get into the next section of this and
feel like by the end of it. I might be able to call myself a
beginner maybe. Maybe it's too soon, Maybe it's
too soon to say that, I think. No, I think you're definitely
yeah, right. So I don't know where lines get
drawn, but yeah, I'm happy to call myself a beginner also.
That is a solid lie you're an intermediary at.
I need more stages. I need like a neophyte, a
dabbler, a person of interest. Love it all right?
Well, we will touch back shortly and we'll be coming back with
Part 2 of this of of kind of rounding out all of those
topics. But in the meantime everybody
bless it be and be well. Bye witches.
Bye. I don't know.