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Welcome back to to real witches 
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Blessed. 
Be I'm Oak and I'm Danny and 

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we're just a couple of 
practicing witches, seeking 

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initiation into a garden area 
and tradition of Wicca every 

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full moon. 
And new moon were discussing 

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things were learning and 
researching sharing my magical 

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discourse and hold space, for 
other witches to do the same. 

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We're too real witches shooting 
the shit and nerding out on 

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magical topics. 
So if you're into the occult the

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esoteric or the otherworldly, 
come hang out with us liminal 

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space of sound. 
And in today's episode, go ahead

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and put on your comfy clothes, 
sit back. 

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Take a deep meditative breath, 
and settle into the topic of 

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meditation with us today, we're 
going to work through theory and

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practice as well as sharing some
things that have and have it 

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worked for us. 
But before we get started, what 

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you up to what you up to, what's
going on with you. 

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Yeah, well, let's see for air 
updates with learning. 

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Different classes workshops and 
books. 

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I did finish the ritual book by 
Damien Echols and lorri Davis, 

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be open it up and see. 
Yep, lorri Davis. 

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Sorry Lori. 
And I know you're listening. 

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Just give me a minute. 
So I finished this book am I? 

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You know, it was good. 
It has a lot of practical 

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meditations and rituals and 
different, you know, a little 

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blurb. 
Herbs, it's too easy. 

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You know, little book to read. 
I did earmark some things to try

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and some things to do. 
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previously read High Magic by 
Damien Echols sharing his. 

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Yeah, sharing his story, about 
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and how he was approaching magic
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But then also, you know, talks a
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other police that he has. 
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And now, you know, kind of Going
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magic and looking at practices 
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banishing, ritual of the 
pentagram. 

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So many words there. 
So, when looking into that, it's

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all, you know, it's all 
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It's all based on the tree of 
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of that. 
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verse in the Kabbalah 
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As I've been following this 
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Jack Shan like so chanel-6 Anna.
And so he's a super smart dude. 

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And he's also a garden Aryan. 
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pandemic. 
He actually release this 

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Kabbalah for wiccans. 
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path, you know. 
Paula and ceremonial magic or 

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like super LinkedIn. 
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get more into kabbalistic 
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little bit more so that's 
probably the next Furay. 

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It's funny. 
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where he was talking about how a
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practices have changed since 
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it after the just recently and 
he was Is writing it during the 

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pandemic, you know, which was 
years ago. 

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So not that the pandemic was 
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two years ago. 
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But I'm saying, I don't you man.
Yeah so yeah. 

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So I'm going to dive into that 
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little bit more about the 
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know, doing the ldrp feeling 
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Yeah, I'll talk about it. 
You're like interesting, it's 

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good good. 
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suspend my judgment of myself a 
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about you? 
What are you reading? 

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So I finished up doctoring, the 
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maybe two episodes ago and I 
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about like Appalachian folk lore
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think we talked before like 
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that are different depending on 
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were so many things that were 
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Like like, for instance, tying 
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It was a very common practice 
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initials like right initials 
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I'm sure the from a magical 
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practical purpose. 
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sometimes your shirts and stuff,
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know what I'm saying? 
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with a needle ever kept that 
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scharping and writing our names 
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stuff. 
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things where some things were so
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super foreign to me because I 
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steeped in Christianity, but not
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obviously, to like, recite this 
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just wasn't kind of what we did.
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who practice that, but we just 
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And then, the shadow work 
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I've done about a handful of 
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the things, one of the first few
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how to approach the journal and 
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when things become overwhelming,
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vipassana meditation, which 
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lined up, really? 
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To today, this is so funny, like
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currently reading and learning 
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we're approaching these topics 
differently, right? 

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She's break. 
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just keep learning and keep 
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on things. 
So I think it makes sense for us

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to have a little snapshot of, 
you know, what's influencing us 

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right now. 
So what that what irons in the 

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fire? 
Do you have burning with your 

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fire updates? 
I just read Pot, all of the 

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plants in my house, which all of
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them. 
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be repot, which like, for the 
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like, okay, you just like 
repotting plants. 

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No, I actually also just 
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realized it's getting out of 
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And so, I downloaded an app to 
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instructions, because of the 
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And so, I like a struggle to 
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fertilize that? 
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last repot? 
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Because I literally just repot 
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like 20 plants and then pulled 
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propagate. 
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accomplish this weekend. 
Just dig it in so much, dirt, 

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feel really good, but I think 
about you. 

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Yeah, we're really channeling, 
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because same, I did not replant 
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am doing some really large 
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know, the smaller plans to 
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which is why you repot other 
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But no, my biggest project right
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did have a new septic field laid
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every piece of my front and back
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Honestly, because they got rid 
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want there. 
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had to rake up, though. 
You know, all of the debris from

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that because they lay down. 
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So, I did that yesterday, and, 
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kind of little growing things 
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seed, and it's a huge. 
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there are whole people who 
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keep your grass looking as 
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Is like as possible. 
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that it's like wild to me that 
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I'm not a grass person. 
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I live very much like in a very 
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also like I, if I don't put 
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with like potato are plants 
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My Heart of Florida. 
Like, if you don't put down, 

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They know things are going to 
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seem normal and they're going to
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So that's my only reason for 
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And also you want to make sure 
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top of a septic system. 
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systems so that's Matic. 
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And I mean, I'm nerding out, I'm
having fun with it. 

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I like tested my soil to see, 
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in which nutrients that didn't 
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purchasing that localizer for 
that. 

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Yeah. 
So it's me. 

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I mean, digging around, but also
feeling a little nerdy, so 

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that's fun. 
All right, so let's get into our

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water updates, what's flowing 
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How you feeling? 
You know, now that there's 

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something about like, just 
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list that suddenly makes me feel
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control. 
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not necessarily that. 
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an accomplished in organized 
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So yeah, I'm just feeling like 
the day-to-day is still high. 

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Dick. 
But like there's a plan and 

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we're executing the plan every 
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staying on top of stuff as it's 
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So everything's feeling hectic, 
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good. 
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picking up in your own, kind of 
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your crazy work time. 
Is that right? 

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reach a culmination up until 
July, but once we hit July, it's

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really just about like setting 
standards and keeping them in. 

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Place. 
So right now is just like the 

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build up to that time where it's
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challenge, but we're staying on 
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So the wheels are moving things 
are continuing to keeping moving

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you know and we're not falling 
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Well so awesome I am excited 
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Yeah, I do a lot of 
paddleboarding in the local like

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Springs and rivers around my 
area, I'm really excited about 

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going to the beach. 
Yeah, I'm just feeling summer 

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Vibes but recently, I had taken 
a kind of break from working out

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because I recently not recently 
actually this is the problem 

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back in August, I had made like 
major ankle surgery to kind of 

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correct. 
A deformed bone that was giving 

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me a kill. 
He's tendonitis and working out 

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was making it worse. 
And so I had to have surgery 

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which was terrible and I really 
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Been working out very 
religiously every morning. 

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You like waking up at 4:30 and 
doing a lot of habit stacking. 

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I don't know if this is 
something that you're familiar 

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with but there's whatever this 
kind of self-help idea that if 

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you just do like build all of 
your habits off of one thing 

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kind of they'll Domino into 
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So for instance if you put your 
shoes by the door in the morning

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then it makes it easier for you 
to put your shoes on to the Go, 

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run and then, oh, yeah. 
Run. 

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You know, like that kind of 
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Like there's like, positive, 
don't think. 

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I knew that there was a word for
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Yes, 100% in the book that it's 
from, I think. 

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But it's all about like micro 
habits but one kind of connected

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to another and I totally have 
that going, right? 

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You go to bed at whatever. 
I mean, I went a bit crazy 

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early, like, 7:30 8:00, like, 
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because I was going to bed 
before the sun went down, and so

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I go to bed early, and then I 
don't drink wine or 

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eatdessertfirst. 
Hurt because I'm going to bed so

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early which is great. 
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Then you wake up early and work 
out and I feel like great about 

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working out and then you drink a
lot of water because you sweat 

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so much in the morning. 
So it's like one thing kind of 

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was leading to the other but you
take away one came out. 

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Well, there goes all your good 
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up working out. 
So so I definitely was feeling a

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little out of sorts in terms of 
like just not having that 

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routine in place. 
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So now I'm back on my bullshit. 
Going to bed early working out. 

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I'm trying to new gym right now,
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change of scenery and approach 
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See I'm so I'm feeling good 
working out some dedicated, do 

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my thing. 
Let's go look at. 

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You just health and wealth and 
all these things. 

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How's the new gym? 
Is it the same kind of style Jim

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you're going to before? 
Yeah, yeah. 

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They're both like CrossFit Gyms 

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the one that I was going to be 
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Tensley CrossFit like, and so a 
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Chill about it. 
So they did their own 

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programming. 
They didn't follow like CrossFit

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programming, but this gym is 
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already tell that they do 
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Way more intensity. 
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myself back in a lot of ways of 
not going as heavy or not going 

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as intense because they're kind 
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So it's a balancing act but yeah
it's the same kind of thing. 

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Nice, nice. 
All right. 

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Well, getting into Earthly 
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purchases. 
I have come to the realization 

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that I have an outlandishly, 
huge stack of books. 

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And and here's the thing, the 
reason I didn't realize I had so

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many books is because I think 
subconsciously somewhere I've 

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thought that if I put them in 
different Stacks at different 

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places of my house that they 
seem like less books, you know 

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it seems like there's a but I I 
went through this weekend, as I 

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was like, just cleaning and 
organizing getting things 

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together and I legit have 23 
books. 

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I have not read. 
Yes. 

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Okay, that's the problem. 
You should have not counted 

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them. 
And so now I've decided that I 

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am going to hold myself to a 
standard that I'm not buying 

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another single book until I read
these books like just because I 

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put them in four separate Stacks
in different places, does not 

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somehow make it better but so 
many books. 

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Okay, well, let me ask you. 
Questions are some of them 

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reference books. 
One of them is a correspondence 

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book, only one. 
Okay, all right. 

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Well, I can't help you this, 
you're like, I can't even make 

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excuses for you. 
That is ridiculous. 

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Yeah, and then I mean same that 
I just don't count - it doesn't 

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seem like I have like, books 
that I purchased from, like 

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Pagan festivals. 
When authors are there in order 

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to like get them sign and also 
to support the author because 

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often they don't get paid. 
So I can't hold myself to that 

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standard of not buying books. 
Until I've finished reading them

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all because you know, mean we're
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you? 
Yeah, because it's in your 

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neighborhood. 
So we're really going to go to a

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pagan car On whatever. 
And there's gonna be authors 

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there, you're not going to buy 
books, if there's authors there,

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I mean, I don't know, I need 
them. 

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Okay. 
Well, I don't know. 

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Okay. 
So, but listen. 

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See. 
This is how I got into this, 

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this pile. 
This is exactly what happened 

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was because someone would 
recommend a book and I'd be 

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like, I don't want to forget 
about that. 

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Let me go put that like in an 
Amazon cargo put that somewhere.

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And so then before I know it, I 
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with no plan to read them like 
not that I didn't want to read 

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them. 
I just they weren't Out of mine 

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to read them. 
So I kept reading the books that

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I had already like, slated on my
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I have like, all these books 
people have recommended to me at

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some point that I'm just like, 
yeah, holding onto that are just

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collecting dust and I'm like, 
okay, you need to get your life 

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together. 
Like, you need to again, what 

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does that habit? 
Stacking. 

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I need to make a plan for 
keeping track of these books 

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that I want to read but not like
impulse ordering them so that I 

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don't forget about them. 
So yeah, I mean, I guess if we 

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go I'll see what happens, but 
I'm trying to hold myself to the

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standard that I'm not gonna 
purchase any more books, it's 

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ridiculous. 
Yeah, I went to, you know, I 

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went to Salem for my 40th 
birthday and of course I had to 

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buy books at like Laurie Cabot 
spot because she had signed some

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of them went to a pagan Festival
headed by there and then you 

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know I do that same thing where 
you read one author. 

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And then you're like, well now I
have to buy this book because 

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they reference this book and 
it's a vicious cycle. 

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Really it really, really is and 
I was just like, in my mind I 

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really was like, oh, I have 
like, I don't know, like men, 

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maybe maybe seven to ten books. 
I need to read and then I 

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counted up, and I was like, your
ridiculous. 

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Even be. 
Why are you like this? 

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I like this. 
I'm not even. 

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I refused account. 
I refuse to incriminate myself. 

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That's okay. 
I Yeah, I bought two additional 

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like I said, I'm going to read 
this one by the Jack Shinnok 

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character and and then there's 
another book that I'll talk 

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about next time but they are 
both connected to, you know, the

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lb r p which is corresponding to
what I'm trying to focus on and 

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trying to get experience with. 
So I guess maybe that's the 

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thing. 
It's like I'm buying books that 

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I'm trying to learn about 
because I'm going to use that 

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information and actions so maybe
I feel justified in doing that 

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but I also bought some supplies 
some crafting supplies for a 

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little like on hand and gifts 
that I want to have ready for 

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people and I'm not going to tell
you about them because your 

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birthday's coming up soon to 
give you one of these. 

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Things. 
But it's a little craft thing 

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that I'm going to make as a gift
for. 

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You know, folks. 
Thanks for special and yeah, 

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yeah. 
So do some crafting. 

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Enjoy excited about. 
We'll talk about unless you go. 

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Yeah. 
If Ichigo yeah, your birthday is

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coming up. 
I know I always have this. 

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Looks like it's well, birthdays.
I always have this very mixed 

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feeling about birthdays and not 
because I'm like super tied to 

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the idea of like aging is a yeah
about that. 

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I just I've always Felt weird 
about like celebrating a day of 

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birth for myself. 
I don't know. 

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It's just always not been as 
important to me as I feel like 

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other people make it and then I 
feel weird about not making it a

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big deal because other people do
and I don't want to make them 

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feel like I don't want to just 
I've literally worked every 

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single one of my birthday's 
except for last year I think was

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the first year and it wasn't 
even by like Choice. 

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Like there are days times that I
had intentionally scheduled to 

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like be off and then something 
would happen. 

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And we're like, I needed to be 
there. 

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It was required for me to be 
there and be like, oh my gosh. 

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That's so awful. 
You should like plan for its out

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of my gown. 
This is another day, I don't 

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know. 
But again it might also be the 

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Aging like bananas thing. 
I for everyone listening. 

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I always told Oak and other 
people like I'm always amazed 

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because they are aging so 
beautifully. 

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I was like born with forehead 
wrinkles. 

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Like I am literally aging like 
bananas and it like baffles me. 

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Because in my mind, I feel I 
look 45 and I'm not no 45. 

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So yeah, I mean I hear you about
feeling weird about being maybe 

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it's like the center of 
attention kind of thing. 

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Maybe that's the challenge me. 
I have I don't feel that way but

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I also have a lot of first house
placements, which makes me 

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self-absorbed in some way. 
My Leo Rising is not Rising. 

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I needed to get it together. 
Yeah, what's happening? 

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Maybe I Think. 
Yeah I think you should like 

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have spa days and then you don't
have to be the center of 

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attention for everyone, your 
life, just the center of 

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attention for people giving you 
service, right? 

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Like maybe a spy day is would be
a way of channeling that Leo 

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Rising? 
I don't know. 

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Okay, okay. 
So are you ready to jump into 

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today's topics? 
Let's do this thing. 

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I'm excited. 
I'm really excited. 

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I have thoughts. 
We have lots of more excited 

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than I am. 
I think. 

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Just generally how I think we 
both approached meditations. 

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Yes. 
Yes. 

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I am like, okay. 
Alright, let's talk about it. 

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We're going to get into this in 
the same way that we have been 

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approaching or other topics. 
We'll talk about the are 

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aspects, which are going to 
connect to kind of knowledge and

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like, mental. 
I don't know are stuff. 

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And then we're getting into 
fire, which is going to connect 

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to the types of actions that one
could take around the top 

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according to history and 
feelings in the water. 

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Action. 
And finally, we'll talk about 

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the challenges and how we 
integrate these ideas into our 

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lives in the earth section. 
And so that we're all. 

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So, you know, we like to talk 
about some of the more 

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problematic. 
Maybe debates, maybe some 

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prickly ideas around this and 
maybe internal conflicts we've 

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had with the topic. 
So yeah. 

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So we always I like the the last
part I always like being a 

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little salacious. 
I like the really good at the 

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end to, right. 
Right. 

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That's that's intentional. 
Yes, it's good. 

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All right. 
So let's get into the air 

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aspects before, you know, I was,
I think the definitions are 

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always helpful place to start, 
which is like a cliche and 

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speeches, right? 
What there's dictionary defines 

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meditation. 
That's like a, yes, don't do 

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that. 
And your your public speaking 

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classes, they hate when you do 
that but we're going to do that.

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So meditation is A tainted word 
I think. 

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Usually when we say meditation 
were talking about maybe the 

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definition around thinking 
deeply or focusing one's mind 

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for some period of time and 
Silence with the aid of chanting

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for religious or spiritual 
purposes or as a method of 

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relaxation, right? 
That's one way to define it. 

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There's also a lot of other ways
to define the tation thinking 

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deeply or carefully about 
something meditating on a 

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concept. 
That could be considered 

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meditation or just considering 
so planning mentally, that can 

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be considered meditation. 
So, we'll talk about some 

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different versions of that. 
But my intentions tricky, it's a

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tricky word, and generally 
referring to that first part as 

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we are talking about today's 
topic. 

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Yeah, so then we wanted to jump 
into some books and so one of 

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the books I think that was 
really instrumental and me 

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connecting meditation to 
practice was six ways. 

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Coaches and in trees for 
Magical, sorry for Practical 

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Magic by aydin walked. 
ER, now this book was 

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recommended to me and I did not 
realize until I just pulled out 

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the other day that it's walked 
her wac hter because I've always

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heard Watcher. 
Aiden Watcher. 

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Totally not their name. 
So walked her is the name. 

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Excuse me. 
I saw that. 

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And I was like, yeah. 
Watch her. 

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Oh yeah. 
No, yeah, no. 

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And that's totally like a in 
this book has been kind of 

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highly recommended. 
That it for different reasons 

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but because it really approaches
theory behind practice and how 

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you should like approach 
practice. 

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And it's a really easy read and 
it's easy to read through. 

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It's a smaller book, but it is 
really intrumental in getting 

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you to, like, think about things
like meditation and how to 

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approach those things in a very 
logistical way. 

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So, less about like the woo of 
it and more about the like, how 

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do I physically do this thing? 
What is the theory? 

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Me behind doing this thing. 
And I think meditation for me 

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was not something I approached 
in practice meditation was 

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something I approach from a 
wellness standpoint from like a 

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everyone says, meditation is 
good for you. 

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So I'm going to go do it. 
And it wasn't, I really read 

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this book that I was like, oh 
meditation is a way of 

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progressing, my practice and 
kind of harnessing, or working 

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that muscle of the mind and 
focusing will. 

452
00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:23,300
And really exploring the theory 
Those things. 

453
00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:26,500
So definitely highly recommend 
that book especially for 

454
00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:30,500
somebody who like really can't 
sit and read like a 400-page 

455
00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:32,400
book. 
It's a much smaller book. 

456
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,900
It's a very easy read and it was
very, very interesting to me and

457
00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:42,000
kind of opened a lot of thought 
doors on what practice is and I 

458
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,500
really, really enjoyed the book.
Okay, I'm sold. 

459
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:51,500
Don't worry the all along, okay?
So but no II would like to if 

460
00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:53,700
you say that it's great. 
That I would definitely check it

461
00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:55,700
out. 
Maybe I'll try to find it on 

462
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,300
like an audible thing, love 
that. 

463
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,200
Okay, so I was trying to think 
I'm like, what books were really

464
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:07,200
Paramount in my understanding of
meditation. 

465
00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:10,200
And what was the purpose? 
And honestly, like just growing 

466
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,800
up in the era that I did and 
we'll talk more about kind of 

467
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,200
like historically. 
How meditation has like showed 

468
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,100
up in our lives and over the 
time over a personal histories 

469
00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:22,000
but it was hard. 
I was like, I don't know man. 

470
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,700
Like you I remember hearing 
about meditation for, like, 

471
00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:28,200
fucking Oprah when I was, like, 
nine, like it's like meditation 

472
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:33,200
is always been around me, but if
I had to think of like one book,

473
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,900
that I really that maybe opened 
me up to a certain way of 

474
00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:39,700
thinking, about things was 
probably Eckhart Tolle. 

475
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:44,600
He's The Power of Now and his 
like other publication, which is

476
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:51,000
the First World of Tomorrow, 
Tomorrow World New Earth, I 

477
00:26:51,008 --> 00:26:52,600
think it's called New Earth, new
world. 

478
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:58,200
I don't know i-it's Helios to so
everyone I think knows the power

479
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,600
of now and it talks a lot about 
staying present and that of 

480
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:08,700
course sparked the whole 
conversation around mindfulness.

481
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,300
I think he was really kind of 
one of the poster children even 

482
00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:18,900
though he's an old dude but For 
meditation especially like you 

483
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:22,400
know he was like one of Oprah's 
Book Club things where we would 

484
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,700
like read different chapters and
then discuss it with Oprah. 

485
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:28,900
So I was totally here for it. 
But yeah, I think that book is 

486
00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:34,200
probably super influential in my
practices early on and I still 

487
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,100
go back to that book and 
remember the mental Tunis 

488
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:40,500
practices that he has listed 
there. 

489
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,400
So yeah, if I had to guess what?
Try to put one. 

490
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,500
I guess I put that one. 
Nice. 

491
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,400
Yeah, I don't know. 
There are a lot of good. 

492
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:48,300
Books out there. 
I mean tons of books on 

493
00:27:48,308 --> 00:27:52,500
meditation, but as far as like 
connecting it and we'll talk a 

494
00:27:52,508 --> 00:27:55,700
little bit about Wellness versus
practice, but I think a lot of 

495
00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:59,100
us have approached meditation 
from a wellness standpoint and 

496
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:01,600
maybe not so much from a 
witchcraft standpoint and so 

497
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,100
that's I think something worth 
exploring. 

498
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:10,500
Yeah, I have also I think you're
going to talk about a study here

499
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:17,500
and how it can potentially Be 
focused on like the health 

500
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:20,000
reasons. 
Why people do these kinds of 

501
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,300
things because it's not just for
witchcraft. 

502
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,900
Unless I don't know, I think 
it's all witchcraft, right? 

503
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:29,900
Like feeling million, your 
jeans, healing your immune 

504
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:33,800
system, healing is witchcraft. 
So, you know, loose definitions 

505
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,700
here, but I think a lot of times
we hear the terms, like brain 

506
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:43,000
waves being discussed in 
reference to, to meditation, 

507
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:48,000
trying to reach. 
Each those alpha or Theta levels

508
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,600
and brain wave patterns. 
It goes out of order, right? 

509
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,900
It's like beta Alpha Theta and 
Delta and a lot of times people 

510
00:28:56,900 --> 00:29:01,000
talk about this Alpha Brain 
State as being a place where you

511
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,500
have deep insights and deep 
relaxation. 

512
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,900
And there is a lot of just like 
science behind meditation. 

513
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:12,100
Now that there maybe wasn't in 
the past. 

514
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,500
Yeah, tell me about it. 
So that you have found here. 

515
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:18,100
Yeah. 
So I was kind of looking for 

516
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:20,300
something more recent and 
preferably local to us. 

517
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:27,100
So, there were some researchers 
at UF University of Florida, who

518
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:30,600
had through kind of their own 
lives, had kind of, like, 

519
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,500
started meditative practices and
wanted to know on a health 

520
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:36,700
perspective like what are the 
actual Health implications of 

521
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:39,200
this? 
And so what they did was they 

522
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:45,800
studied 106 people who went on 
the Persona Style, - treat. 

523
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:47,900
Tell me about that. 
You say that word. 

524
00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:52,000
Yeah, so it's the style of the 
Posada is essentially like 

525
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,900
instead of this idea of like 
clearing the mind. 

526
00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:59,400
It's allowing the mind to 
naturally, settle and noticing, 

527
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,400
the thoughts that come to your 
mind, and essentially not 

528
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,400
addressing them in that moment. 
But making note of them. 

529
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,100
So that later, you can say like 
these are the most front of mine

530
00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:09,900
things. 
These are the things map. 

531
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:12,800
My mind is worried about or 
needs to plan or needs to 

532
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,300
organize and then Attacking 
those things from the 

533
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,400
perspective that like it will 
help with your overall Wellness 

534
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,100
to, like, get rid of these 
worries. 

535
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:25,300
Or these things that are, like, 
kind of tripping you up or like 

536
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:27,400
stumbling blocks and your mental
processes. 

537
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:30,300
Yeah. 
And so this meditation style 

538
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:33,400
retreat was eight days of 
Silence, which this is the more 

539
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,500
traditional style of the 
persona. 

540
00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:42,000
But it's he's like long periods 
days worth of Silence with at 

541
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,600
least nine hours of meditation. 
Per day, so that's all. 

542
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,000
Only nine. 
So totally achievable is what 

543
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,600
I'm saying. 
And then what they did was, they

544
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,300
took blood samples from these 
people before this Retreat, 

545
00:30:57,300 --> 00:30:59,800
immediately after this Retreat, 
and then three months after 

546
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,400
that. 
And what they found is, when 

547
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,300
they analyze those samples, it 
affected the genetic activity of

548
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:09,100
the immune responses, 
specifically 268 genes, 

549
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:11,500
including those that are 
involved in antivirus and 

550
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:14,600
anti-cancer responses. 
So what they found was like on 

551
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,100
an actual metabolic and genetic 
level These people were 

552
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,900
affected, not just in the short 
term, like not just immediately 

553
00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:23,800
after. 
But months later, they were 

554
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,900
still showing that these genes 
were impacted. 

555
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,500
And that overall, they were 
helping their immune system. 

556
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:32,300
Essentially, they were creating 
a response and then immune 

557
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:33,600
system, that was keeping these 
people. 

558
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,600
Well, so not just on the mental 
level, not on the mental, 

559
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,200
emotional level, but actually on
a physical level, it was 

560
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,700
impacting their body and their 
body's processes. 

561
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:44,700
You had so cool. 
Have you ever done like a 

562
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:47,200
retreat like that? 
I haven't. 

563
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,800
And I actually several months 
ago, came across one, a my 

564
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,100
initial reaction was, I should 
send this tokens if she wants to

565
00:31:54,100 --> 00:32:01,300
go, you know I would let's shut 
up for eight days. 

566
00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:03,100
Let's go. 
Be torture. 

567
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,800
Can you imagine you and I 
they're like absolute silence 

568
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,200
for eight days. 
I think I would break by day 

569
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,100
three. 
I think by day three, I would 

570
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:15,700
absolutely lose all sense of 
self but not know. 

571
00:32:15,708 --> 00:32:20,600
Look like Language of like 
nothing or something. 

572
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:26,300
No, that sounds portress, which 
I'm here for love. 

573
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:28,700
Love a good quarter for the 
purposes of growth. 

574
00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:36,900
I, that's really cool study. 
I I think it's probably also. 

575
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:40,900
Yeah, I mean, clearly, we all 
agree collectively on the social

576
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:48,000
North American level, that 
meditation is there's lots of 

577
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,400
different types of meditation. 
Meditation is great for your 

578
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,400
mind for anxiety, depression, 
right? 

579
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:59,600
So for, for mental fortitude, 
it's also great for Gene 

580
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,700
responses, and for the actual 
like physiological response that

581
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:07,200
meditation has I think I think 
we're all kind of on that same 

582
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,000
page that we understand the 
value of that. 

583
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,900
Just because there's been so 
many discussions and, you know, 

584
00:33:12,900 --> 00:33:17,000
TED Talks or what have you on 
the topic I wanted to. 

585
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,000
Also, maybe just create some 
Categories. 

586
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:27,700
So, around meditation, I think, 
if I had to really boil it down 

587
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:32,100
into its Essence, meditation, is
defined by what you're thinking 

588
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:36,400
about and what you're doing. 
And so we'll talk about the 

589
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:42,800
doing part in our fire segment, 
but in the focusing on, I think 

590
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:48,200
it's very related. 
I have heard people talk about 

591
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:52,800
and I can't like give a 
reference because these are 

592
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,800
things that were discussed in 
like a another lecture that I 

593
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,400
was a part of so I can't give 
credit here for where these 

594
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,600
ideas have come from. 
But there's I remember hearing 

595
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,000
there's like three different 
things that you're focusing on, 

596
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,000
right? 
You're either focusing. 

597
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,199
When you meditate on many 
things, you're focusing, maybe 

598
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,000
on one thing or you're focusing 
on no things. 

599
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:18,600
So, the meditation style that 
you talked about where you're 

600
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,699
trying to not focus really on 
your thoughts, but the whole 

601
00:34:22,699 --> 00:34:25,900
like observe the Observer kind 
of thing and just let the 

602
00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:27,800
thoughts go by. 
I think this would fall into 

603
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,000
that, like space between 
thoughts idea. 

604
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,400
But for the many things, I 
think, you know, guided 

605
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,800
meditation, we hear that as a 
lot of type of meditation and 

606
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,900
that's an example of focusing, 
on a lot of things body, scans 

607
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,100
focusing on your toes. 
You're focusing on your ankles 

608
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:45,400
and then you're noticing your 
calves. 

609
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,400
All those good things. 
That's a totally focusing on 

610
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,500
many things category. 
I don't know if you've heard 

611
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:59,100
that like meditations book by 
Marcus Aurelius and he has he's 

612
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:03,800
using the word meditations in 
the idea of considerations of 

613
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,300
just a human experience and 
different philosophies. 

614
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,100
But yeah, I mean, I've 
definitely had meditations where

615
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:12,500
I focus on some of those 
Concepts like larger Concepts 

616
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:14,700
where I'm focusing on many 
aspects of a thing. 

617
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:23,400
But the one thing focusing on 
one thing, I think, when you're 

618
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,700
focusing on your breath, you're 
focusing on one thing. 

619
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:29,300
I think a lot of times people 
will use focus on your breath to

620
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:31,400
then transition into focusing on
nothing. 

621
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,200
Right? 
Right. 

622
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,600
But I think it's, if you're 
observing your breath, you're 

623
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,600
still focusing on that one thing
and you can stay there until 

624
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,000
that's really comfortable and 
you feel like you can maintain 

625
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,400
that focus and then kind of 
transcend into this, you know. 

626
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:48,400
Space between thoughts 
observation, but yeah, 

627
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,100
categorically may be focusing on
many things, one thing or no 

628
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:54,400
things. 
And that's what I'm talking 

629
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,600
about. 
General methods. 

630
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,700
So, there are so many methods 
out there like, so, so, so so 

631
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:02,400
many methods and so many methods
that have like many methods 

632
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,300
within those methods and it's a 
very vast and wide umbrella, but

633
00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:11,300
they're really like j7 general 
concepts. 

634
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:15,000
I would say that like most types
of meditation fall under So 

635
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,900
within Like the three you 
described like many things, one 

636
00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:21,400
thing or know things. 
These are like, okay, but what 

637
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,100
things are we focusing on or 
like, what is the technique that

638
00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:27,800
we're using? 
So, there's guided meditation, 

639
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,700
right? 
So the intentional focus on a 

640
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:35,100
path or Adventure or personal 
visual visual visualization. 

641
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:39,400
That's a word, but like the idea
of like imagine roots coming 

642
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,900
through your feet into the 
ground. 

643
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:44,400
Like that's a very popular one 
and then there's loving, 

644
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,500
kindness meditation. 
Often called Metta meditation, M

645
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:50,600
ETA. 
And this is the use of like 

646
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:53,400
affirmations, whether those are 
vocal or just kind of like 

647
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,800
mentally repeated to focus your 
attention on to something and 

648
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,900
he's into a meditative state, by
first focusing, those 

649
00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:03,600
affirmations on yourself and 
then typically, it's like then 

650
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,200
turning those outward to the 
world. 

651
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,200
So like I am kind, I am smart 
and then turning that out to the

652
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,500
world. 
Like I am going to go out to the

653
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:13,100
world and be kind. 
I'm going to go and then to 

654
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:17,200
recognize that same thing in 
other people Oh and then there's

655
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,100
mindfulness metal meditation. 
So clearing of the mind, right? 

656
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:23,800
No thought or no. 
No, Focus. 

657
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,900
Really but the breath. 
So again that concept of like 

658
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:30,200
we're focusing on the breath and
then we're going to slip into 

659
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,100
nothingness then there's the 
Persona meditation. 

660
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:36,500
So this is actually paying 
attention just to the Natural 

661
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:40,700
thought pattern, right? 
Get seated somewhere and a tune 

662
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:43,600
out, everything else around you 
and just let your mind naturally

663
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,600
wander and make note of where it
There's two again. 

664
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,500
No, judgement pass in those like
good or bad thoughts, or just 

665
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:52,600
making note of those. 
And then later processing, kind 

666
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,100
of what is front of Mind in 
addressing those things. 

667
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:58,700
Transcend Transcendental 
Meditation. 

668
00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:01,800
So, a state of kind of being out
of oneself. 

669
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,900
So, transcending the physical 
self. 

670
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:05,900
The these will be the styles of 
meditation where you're like, 

671
00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:09,400
asked to like Move Yourself 
outside of your physical body 

672
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,300
and then maybe like, look down 
on your physical body or or move

673
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:14,600
your State of Consciousness to a
place other than where you 

674
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,000
physically. 
Our I would say to about 

675
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,000
Transcendental Meditation that 
that's a whole like School and 

676
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:26,100
practice onto itself, I lived in
Denver, there's a big 

677
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:30,700
transcendental, like Community 
there and a lot of times, I 

678
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:33,200
didn't realize this, but like 
you're having to pay a healthy, 

679
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,900
some to get into these classes 
and I don't know. 

680
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,200
Yeah, that's outside of that. 
And like having a transcendental

681
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,000
meditation teacher, is something
that is very costly. 

682
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:49,100
Haven't gone down that rabbit 
hole but I think that we 

683
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,700
experience that often when we do
kind of like thinking about like

684
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:55,600
astral projection, astral 
temples that kind of stuff. 

685
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,000
But I think when we use the word
like TM Transcendental 

686
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,200
Meditation, when you say it like
that, you're actually referring 

687
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:07,400
to specifically a school of 
meditation that like acquires 

688
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:11,200
specific. 
So there's the transiting your 

689
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,500
body meditation and there's 
Transcendental Meditation which 

690
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:15,300
I think is a very specific 
thing. 

691
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,400
I guess is what I'm saying. 
Yeah. 

692
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:19,800
Yeah. 
And I think the reason those 

693
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,200
things are so costly raised 
because there's this kind of 

694
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,400
idea that somebody has the 
knowledge to get you there that 

695
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,500
it requires like an additional 
person. 

696
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:29,200
And I think for some people it 
probably does. 

697
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,500
Right. 
I think for maybe even the 

698
00:39:31,508 --> 00:39:34,800
majority of people like if you 
had to depend on your own 

699
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,500
experience, to get you to this 
state, you probably would 

700
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,200
naturally get there on your own.
And that's where have to rely on

701
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:45,100
resources, whether it's books or
people or classes or retreats to

702
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:50,600
help Kind of find that access. 
And then we have chakra 

703
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:56,200
meditation, which is really 
focusing on one, but up to all 

704
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:01,000
chakras within one meditative 
practice where you're focusing 

705
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,000
on those individual chakras and 
working through, blockages in a 

706
00:40:04,008 --> 00:40:09,800
tuning Focus to those areas so 
noting where you might feel like

707
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,800
you're kind of stuck whether 
that's like throat chakra and 

708
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,300
what that means for you and your
life and then focusing. 

709
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,500
On like removing those blockages
and some meditations will take 

710
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:21,900
you through all of those chakras
and some will just focus on one 

711
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:24,800
in particular and kind of 
essentially give you more 

712
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,800
information about that chakra 
but also ask you to like focus 

713
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,300
on removing things related to 
those blockages. 

714
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:33,100
And then we have physical 
meditation. 

715
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:36,400
And that's really the connection
between the mind and the body. 

716
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,400
So, finding the blockages that 
you feel physically in your body

717
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,700
and then removing or releasing 
that tension. 

718
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:45,300
So, these would be your things 
like your yoga. 

719
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,800
You're walking meditation, I'm 
kind of fall under this umbrella

720
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,000
of physical meditation? 
Yeah, great. 

721
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,400
Thanks for that list of examples
of that when we're transitioning

722
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,300
now into the fire segment, we 
kind of talking about 

723
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:04,300
incorporating this. 
What are the options that you 

724
00:41:04,308 --> 00:41:07,800
take around meditation? 
I just wanted to kind of circle 

725
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,800
back to that categoric. 
Definition of education is what 

726
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,200
you're thinking about and it's 
also what you're doing so. 

727
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,800
There's maybe two types of doing
but if I again if I'm being 

728
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,800
super productive which would be 
moving and like not moving. 

729
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,900
Yes, I'm focusing on one thing. 
I'm focusing on nothing, I'm 

730
00:41:26,908 --> 00:41:30,800
focusing on many things and I'm 
either moving or I'm not moving,

731
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,400
right? 
So moving. 

732
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,700
Meditations might have us 
walking my type of dancing. 

733
00:41:37,300 --> 00:41:42,200
Even like drumming to get into a
meditative state may be using 

734
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:47,300
like singing bowls doing. 
Poses and that pose could be 

735
00:41:47,300 --> 00:41:52,100
something like, you know, slow 
Yin kind of practice or like 

736
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:55,200
something super active, like 
Kundalini Yoga. 

737
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:00,300
It could also be just holding a 
physical like a room, right? 

738
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:03,900
So if I was holding the shape of
gaybo, for instance, in 

739
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:07,900
focusing, on the meaning of that
and how that enters my life and 

740
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:09,500
trying to draw that. 
And that could be a form of 

741
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:11,500
meditation. 
That is moving. 

742
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:14,800
I mean, technically you're 
holding a pose but it certainly 

743
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,200
is body. 
Eccentric, Tai Chi, chanting. 

744
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,500
All of those things, I think 
would fall in the moving 

745
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:23,600
category. 
Static, we're about static. 

746
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,500
Maybe we would still include 
breath as part of a still 

747
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:32,900
technique when half. 
Have you heard of Wim Hof this 

748
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:37,300
dude, I feel like I know that 
term but I haven't like, I don't

749
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:42,600
know a lot about that practice. 
Yeah, it's like this Austrian. 

750
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,400
I think he's Austrian dude, he 
developed This method of breath 

751
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,300
work. 
And the thing that was like 

752
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:54,200
really impressive or people 
point to, as a study of showing 

753
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,600
the power of the Wim Hof method 
is he was infected with 

754
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,100
essentially like food poisoning,
right? 

755
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:04,100
He was given botulism and I 
think even E.coli and that was 

756
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:08,700
intentionally. 
Yeah, injected into his body and

757
00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:13,600
through the breath through 
working in his breath and he was

758
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,900
able to fight off. 
Off the infection and not become

759
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:19,700
sick. 
And so this was like, followed 

760
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:22,900
by scientist. 
And so, the Wim Hof method is 

761
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:28,900
really about using your breath 
to regulate your body functions,

762
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:32,500
which is crazy and amazing. 
So a lot of his Retreats people 

763
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:35,400
talk about, you know, jumping 
into ice, cold water, and 

764
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,500
maintaining your body 
temperature, exposure therapy, 

765
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:40,800
and that way. 
It's really, really cool stuff 

766
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,800
and I am impressed by that kind 
of thing. 

767
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:50,900
Even though Mars right, I mean 
the ability of being able to 

768
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:54,900
give birth to a child, like 
Lamaze is absolutely a type of 

769
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,800
breath work in meditation and 
wanted to talk about this kind 

770
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,600
of other static meditation, 
which would be whatever your 

771
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,200
body position is and maintaining
that. 

772
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,400
So whether you're replying, 
whether you're, you know, laying

773
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:14,700
flat down, or maybe even seated.
I just wanted to point out that 

774
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:19,600
my Science is with seated. 
Meditation are have not been 

775
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,900
successful because I have not 
transcended my body and 

776
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:30,400
meditative sweet. 
So when my ass falls asleep it's

777
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,700
pretty distracting. 
Yeah I appreciate. 

778
00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:37,300
So I guess you know so many 
people maybe have this 

779
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:40,900
visualization their mind that 
meditation requires a seated 

780
00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:46,100
position and while I think that 
can work for me, More novice 

781
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:49,000
folks in a short interims. 
Like, if you're doing a 30 

782
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:56,400
minute or hour long meditation, 
if you're not able to reject the

783
00:44:56,700 --> 00:45:00,500
distraction of pain then maybe 
it's not the best place to be. 

784
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:04,100
I would love to get to a place 
where seated meditation was 

785
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:09,300
something I could deal with, for
a long period of time without 

786
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,200
being distracted by pain. 
But that's not where I'm at. 

787
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,700
So yeah. 
So again, you know, Something to

788
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:19,100
think about is that meditation 
can take the form, you know, 

789
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:20,900
what are you thinking about? 
But also, what are you doing in 

790
00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:23,400
there? 
So many versions of What either 

791
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,600
you are actively doing with your
body or not doing with your 

792
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,100
body? 
Lots of options there. 

793
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,200
Yeah. 
And then we want to talk about 

794
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,700
creating routine so I have found
the easiest thing is to start 

795
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:38,000
small. 
If you start out with like 20 

796
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,300
minute long meditations, 
especially if those are like 

797
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,300
your own guidance. 
Meaning you're not listening to 

798
00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:46,400
a guided meditation. 
When you are doing this on your 

799
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,400
own, it can really burn you out.
So start small find short 

800
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:54,000
easier, practices online or use 
guided meditation videos on 

801
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,500
YouTube. 
So that as slipping into these 

802
00:45:57,500 --> 00:46:01,700
states becomes easier, as it 
comes, shall we use the words 

803
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:06,100
muscle memory, then you can kind
of increase time and difficulty,

804
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:09,200
maybe start with breath. 
So, try something like box 

805
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,200
breathing, where you breathe in 
44 seconds? 

806
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,900
Hold for four seconds. 
Breathe out for 4 seconds. 

807
00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:16,800
Hold for four seconds. 
And you can visualize kind of 

808
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,900
drawing that box until again you
get that muscle memory where the

809
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:23,400
breathing part becomes easier. 
A lot of people get really kind 

810
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,800
of worn out with focusing on 
their own breath and losing 

811
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,100
track of it. 
And so box, breathing was really

812
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:34,400
one of those ways for me to 
visualize breath and to really 

813
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,300
focus on it and kind of build 
that muscle memory for it 

814
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,600
attempt to solely focus on the 
breath for about five minutes 

815
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,100
per day. 
Set a timer, please don't try to

816
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,600
keep your phone beside Adieu, 
and when you think five minutes 

817
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,500
is up Peak and then realize only
like 30 seconds has passed 

818
00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:52,900
because your life feels like 
it's slipping away, just set a 

819
00:46:52,908 --> 00:46:55,100
timer, right? 
Make it as easy for yourself as 

820
00:46:55,100 --> 00:46:59,100
possible and then try several 
different types of meditation. 

821
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,800
Things won't always work for you
off the bat, I figure out what 

822
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,300
does work drop, what doesn't 
unless you're up for that 

823
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:08,300
challenge. 
So if you're like, I really like

824
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:11,600
the style of meditation, I just 
need to kind of get the 

825
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,400
motivation the discipline to 
follow it through then sure. 

826
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,600
Go for it. 
But don't do something that you 

827
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,900
hate again, consistency. 
Theme of my life, work on what 

828
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:22,800
makes sense for. 
You don't try to hold on to 

829
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,300
something that isn't working for
you just because you think it 

830
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:28,800
should be working for you. 
Figure out what does lose, what 

831
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,600
doesn't go after the challenges,
when you think you're ready for 

832
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,500
those judges? 
I have a term for that. 

833
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,700
Call it should in your pants 
like to trademark that don't 

834
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:41,100
show the paper. 
Okay? 

835
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,400
Because then it's really shitty.
Both literally, We and 

836
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:52,300
figuratively, Alright and then 
as we go into water, we want to 

837
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:55,800
talk about histories and 
feelings, history of meditation.

838
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,700
I guess we talked about like 
what do you really Define as 

839
00:47:58,700 --> 00:48:00,700
meditation? 
If it's just like, rumination of

840
00:48:00,700 --> 00:48:04,800
your thoughts that probably has 
gone on as long as humans have 

841
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:10,500
had Consciousness, but this kind
of idea of sitting with yourself

842
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:14,300
and your thoughts and to build 
like a higher level of 

843
00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:16,600
spirituality. 
Or to transcend your own 

844
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,300
thoughts. 
So that's believed to have 

845
00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:22,000
originated from India around, 
3500 BCE. 

846
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:25,800
And those were found with 
drawings of people that appeared

847
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,300
to be sitting with their eyes 
closed in a meditative State 

848
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:34,000
around that same time. 
We see a vendetta is mmm, so The

849
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,100
Vedas were an oral traditional 
practice that were later 

850
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:41,400
codified into text, that had 
meditative practices at the core

851
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,800
of the spiritual practice. 
So these were Rest really in 

852
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,400
verbal Mantra. 
So something that we might 

853
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,500
consider today is like 
affirmations and then waking 

854
00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:52,900
meditations something today that
would look more similar to 

855
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:55,800
scrying. 
So still very different than 

856
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,700
what I think. 
Most people picture meditation 

857
00:48:57,700 --> 00:49:02,800
to be now, but we're still kind 
of the original kind of thought 

858
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,100
leaders on meditation. 
Yeah and I think, you know, 

859
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:10,000
again any time we go over 
history, what we're referring to

860
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:14,500
is here are points of evidence 
that have been recorded in 

861
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:17,400
history. 
That we can confirm through 

862
00:49:19,100 --> 00:49:23,800
these artifacts and these 
remains, but it doesn't mean 

863
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,100
that that was the first time it 
happened. 

864
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:28,200
It's just the first time that we
have proof of it based on or 

865
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,300
maybe we can create hypothesis 
based on artifacts that that's 

866
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:36,100
what was happening. 
But who knows, you know, I have,

867
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:40,400
I think meditation and it's 
connection to like Indian 

868
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:46,500
culture is really strong and a 
lot of people kind of Of just 

869
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:50,800
instantly go to like, Guru minds
and like yoga Minds for 

870
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:53,700
meditation and you know, that's 
just not the case. 

871
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:57,200
There's there's been there's 
there were Druids that were 

872
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,600
thinking about how to control 
thoughts. 

873
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:04,000
You know there are you know all 
kind of Asian cultures outside 

874
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,100
of India like Chinese Japanese, 
you know, people who have had a 

875
00:50:08,108 --> 00:50:12,700
traditions of mental training 
and fortitude, maybe just not 

876
00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:16,500
calling it meditation. 
So it's It's to me, it's like 

877
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:19,700
using trying to Define history, 
historically, like, weirded 

878
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:21,800
meditation started. 
Well, number one, depends like 

879
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,500
as you said, what is meditation 
to you? 

880
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:27,200
And number two, how do you prove
people were doing mental 

881
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,700
exercises? 
I guess if you have a drawing on

882
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:32,600
a cave of some one seated, maybe
you assume, that's the case. 

883
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:33,900
But it's hard. 
It's hard to. 

884
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:36,100
Yeah. 
When did people try to control 

885
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:37,100
their thoughts? 
I don't know. 

886
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:41,200
That's hard to Define since they
had thoughts, probably right. 

887
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,900
I think it's probably useful for
us too. 

888
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,700
To maybe just give our personal 
histories with meditation and 

889
00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:52,300
kind of like how we've thought 
about it over time. 

890
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:56,100
Like I said, I grew up, you 
know, in a time where meditation

891
00:50:56,100 --> 00:51:00,000
was quite popular and it was 
kind of everywhere, right? 

892
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,800
Like watching Oprah, it was on 
Oprah so I think these are 

893
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:08,200
really popular social topics 
over time but of course they 

894
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,500
always appear to have his kids 
like a mystical implication when

895
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:17,400
I was probably a Early, teenager
late, teenager started doing 

896
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,700
yoga was really probably the 
first time that I was ever that 

897
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:26,000
I ever did. 
Yo, active meditation and was in

898
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,500
yoga. 
So, I think that when I reflect 

899
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:34,900
on the definitions of yoga, I 
think any I can have. 

900
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:39,000
I found myself in sports 
situations being so highly 

901
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,300
focused. 
And one thing that I actually 

902
00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:44,600
forget what the rest of my body 
is doing, because I'm so focused

903
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,300
on On a singular thing. 
And when you get to like really 

904
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:52,700
high competitive levels of sport
where you have to actually slow 

905
00:51:52,700 --> 00:51:56,300
down time and your mind in order
to like speed up your reaction 

906
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:59,100
to it. 
I think that that's, that's 

907
00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:04,800
meditation in a way. 
And, you know, when I got to 

908
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,600
that really intense level with 
sports, it became very stressful

909
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,800
and so we actually had sport 
psychologist come in and help us

910
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,100
with the stress. 
Yes. 

911
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:19,900
And also with like visualization
in order to improve performance.

912
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,300
So I think I like replaced 
meditation with sports and then 

913
00:52:25,300 --> 00:52:28,300
Sports got stressful so that I 
had to meditate and then I quit 

914
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:31,000
doing sports much stress and 
then had to meditate for the 

915
00:52:31,008 --> 00:52:35,800
stress is how, you know. 
It's just like it keeps 

916
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,700
ping-ponging back and forth. 
But yeah, most recently, I think

917
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:44,700
as part of I've always Been 
interested in self-help, 

918
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:48,500
self-help in the modern term. 
Generally, is around meditation 

919
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:53,300
is a big staple of conversation 
there, but getting into magic, 

920
00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:56,600
certainly and Witchcraft in 
general. 

921
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,800
Certainly encouraged me to 
return to my meditative 

922
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,800
practices. 
So yeah, that's me. 

923
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,200
Awesome. 
Yeah, that was a lot of 

924
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,000
inception. 
There of like, stress, led me to

925
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,500
Sports and then Sports, let me 
to stress and then stress led me

926
00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:20,000
to him. 
So I used to focus kind of on on

927
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,300
clearing my mind when meditating
were now. 

928
00:53:22,300 --> 00:53:27,700
A meditation is almost always 
now with a purpose in mind, for 

929
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:32,500
me, like I want at the end of 
this meditative practice feel 

930
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:35,800
like I've accomplished a thing 
or medical or answer to question

931
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,700
where I think originally it was 
like, I just want to think less 

932
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:43,700
in my brain. 
I want there to be Less stuff in

933
00:53:43,700 --> 00:53:46,300
there. 
We're now I'm like, no give me 

934
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:48,600
more stuff. 
I just want to figure out how to

935
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,000
manage that stuff in a more 
productive way. 

936
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:58,000
So I kind of built a practice 
more around achieving those 

937
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,800
goals. 
And so there's a couple 

938
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,100
different methods that I use 
that I wanted to share here. 

939
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:05,400
So one of those that, I mean, 
fairly recently probably within 

940
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,600
the last 6 months, I started 
using these Palm stones are 

941
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,500
actually up here on my altar 
right here. 

942
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,300
So these Palms Stones are 
something I use in meditating 

943
00:54:14,300 --> 00:54:18,200
and I use a very similar format 
actually to how we format this 

944
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,800
podcast. 
Again, shout out to Deb lip, for

945
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,800
all of the work that she has 
done in our lives. 

946
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,200
But I hold these Palm Stones as 
I'm ruminating about a question 

947
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,200
or something that I want to kind
of sit with my ancestors in this

948
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,000
nice. 
Little chair right here and 

949
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,800
think through a problem. 
And so I start with Earth. 

950
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,900
So, like, what is the problem? 
What is the money? 

951
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:44,900
Dean thing. 
What is the challenge that I'm 

952
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:48,400
facing and then I move into are 
what do I know about this 

953
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,900
problem? 
What are the facts around the 

954
00:54:51,908 --> 00:54:55,200
case or the issue? 
And then I move into holding the

955
00:54:55,208 --> 00:54:59,400
Palm stone for water. 
So it's an aquamarine Palm Stone

956
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,600
around. 
Like, how am I feeling about 

957
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:03,200
this thing? 
What are? 

958
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,100
Maybe some of the blockages that
I'm experiencing? 

959
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:09,200
Because of my feelings, around 
this thing, but also history. 

960
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,300
So this is where I pull kind of 
my ancestors and I think about 

961
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:15,800
this problem in ways they may 
have faced it in their lives, 

962
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,900
right? 
So if it so if it's a work 

963
00:55:17,900 --> 00:55:22,600
problem, like did my papa 
experiences like working in the 

964
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,100
coal mines and being away from 
his family for such long periods

965
00:55:25,100 --> 00:55:28,900
of time and trying to balance 
balance that quality time in the

966
00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:31,400
short periods of time when he 
was home and supposed to be 

967
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,900
resting up for, like the next 
two weeks tent, I have the kind 

968
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:38,900
of that same thought, when I 
think of my mom all Pat and like

969
00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:41,900
she was Raising several kids and
for a longer period of time. 

970
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:45,800
I'm doing it on her own and so 
trying to keep everybody fed and

971
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,900
clothed and, you know, generally
well was probably Focus. 

972
00:55:50,900 --> 00:55:53,400
So that's where I kind of pull 
in histories as with that water.

973
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,000
One put a lot of energy into 
that one. 

974
00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:59,600
And then I have the fire. 
So the Carnelian when I sit with

975
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,400
and I'm like, alright, so we 
have like really turn this thing

976
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,000
over inside out all the way 
around. 

977
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,000
What are we going to do about it
right? 

978
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,200
What what? 
Lay down some concrete actions 

979
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,500
for like what you're going to do
about this thing, so you can get

980
00:56:11,500 --> 00:56:13,000
it off of. 
Of your mind to kind of remove 

981
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,100
that worry. 
And then I like to believe that 

982
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:18,300
all that energy that I'm putting
in those stones that I then 

983
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:21,800
leave on my ancestor altar are 
kind of helping build that 

984
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,000
energy. 
And and something I can later 

985
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:30,500
tap into more effectively and 
then I've also built and 

986
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:33,000
continue working with those 
astral spaces that we've talked 

987
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,600
about for Duty contact. 
But also, for just a magical 

988
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,600
working space, just kind of a 
space to kind of sort through 

989
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,100
things. 
And ruminate over things kind of

990
00:56:45,108 --> 00:56:48,100
in a very logical way. 
And that I do that through 

991
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:51,100
meditative practice and so it's 
definitely not something I like 

992
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:53,000
overnight was like in. 
This is what I'm doing. 

993
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,700
It's something I've spent a lot 
of time kind of thinking about 

994
00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:59,700
and crafting and in a very 
tangible way that I wanted to 

995
00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:02,100
share with you guys so that you 
guys can really think about like

996
00:57:02,100 --> 00:57:04,600
what do I want meditation to 
look like and how does it 

997
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,100
benefit me in a magical sense? 
Yeah, love that. 

998
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:14,200
Thank you. 
I think that we are We also are 

999
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:19,000
talking about. 
When we're talking about 

1000
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:25,000
feelings, we're really quite 
sure where to put this concept, 

1001
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:34,900
or this discourse around the 
appropriation of meditation in 

1002
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:41,500
the New Age movement, or maybe 
how meditation has gotten a 

1003
00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:49,200
marketing. 
From the wellness environment 

1004
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:54,100
and how even modernly when we're
talking about meditation, how 

1005
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:58,500
potentially were being triggered
into thinking that meditation is

1006
00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:04,300
for the gup-e Gwyneth Paltrow 
followers, and it's not for 

1007
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:11,400
witchcraft, and that makes sense
in a lot of ways. 

1008
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,400
And as we were kind of 
discussing this Danny 

1009
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,600
beforehand, let me know, okay. 
Share some of your thoughts that

1010
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,400
you're sharing with me but I 
very much see this as like 

1011
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:26,000
meditation and mantras and all 
of these kinds of like 

1012
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,700
manifestation purposes and like 
the secret, all of those things 

1013
00:58:29,700 --> 00:58:33,400
are just like really a kind of 
the Ice Berg analogy. 

1014
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,500
The really just the tip of the 
iceberg and it's an important 

1015
00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:41,000
tip and it goes, much, much 
deeper than potentially how its 

1016
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:46,200
explored within a popular 
culture standpoint, it goes much

1017
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,100
deeper. 
So but don't like throw away 

1018
00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:53,600
those ideas just because they're
being explored through other 

1019
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,500
movements and think that it's 
not connected to Witchcraft, I'm

1020
00:58:57,500 --> 00:59:01,100
not really articulating that 
super well but you know, I think

1021
00:59:01,100 --> 00:59:04,300
a lot of people here with 
meditation there like they don't

1022
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:07,100
insulate go like oh well that's 
definitely the basis of old 

1023
00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:09,500
witchcraft, right? 
Yeah. 

1024
00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:13,200
And I think, you know, even just
you and I having a protein 

1025
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,500
meditation From a wellness 
standpoint, not having 

1026
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:18,200
approached it from a witchcraft 
standpoint. 

1027
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:23,000
I think that that's where a lot 
of people are. 

1028
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:29,400
I mean, I was a witch before I 
use meditation in practice, so I

1029
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,800
think that's where a lot of 
people are, is, there's this 

1030
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,400
want to separate yourself from 
that like wellness crowd and the

1031
00:59:35,700 --> 00:59:40,400
people that have really 
commodified wellness, and really

1032
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,300
taken Wellness, from a place of 
everyone can do it. 

1033
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,900
And it is for everyone's good 
and well being and really like 

1034
00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:51,000
turned it into. 
Like here's the latest new thing

1035
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,300
that you can buy and use for 
your health and your wellness. 

1036
00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:57,100
And so I think a lot of people 
do not connect with that, right?

1037
00:59:57,100 --> 01:00:01,200
Or it is for me I mean I can 
just put myself out there it is 

1038
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:05,500
adamantly opposed to who I am as
a person and so and not wanting 

1039
01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:10,000
to be attached to that. 
I have really gone the route of 

1040
01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:14,100
well I'm just doing meditation 
from these, you know, very well 

1041
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:15,800
known. 
Thought leaders not from this 

1042
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:21,800
Wellness space that has really 
commodified and taken over parts

1043
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,600
of Witchcraft right in this. 
Like well you can just manifest 

1044
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,300
all the things you want in your 
reality through meditative 

1045
01:00:28,300 --> 01:00:31,900
practices and to some extent. 
Yes. 

1046
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,800
But to others? 
No, and not in the methods that 

1047
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,600
you're using. 
And so I think the Wellness 

1048
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:43,100
Community and I use wellness and
air quotes because I think it is

1049
01:00:43,100 --> 01:00:47,400
very unwell. 
In many ways has really kind of 

1050
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,800
stolen meditation and and made 
it so that people often don't 

1051
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:55,600
feel like it is as tied to 
Witchcraft as it is and can be 

1052
01:00:55,600 --> 01:01:00,100
and as as beneficial as it can 
be, because it really has 

1053
01:01:00,100 --> 01:01:04,400
socially become something. 
So opposed to what I think most 

1054
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:09,300
people are or want to be. 
And so we wanted to just 

1055
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:13,100
acknowledge that because I think
people here meditation they're 

1056
01:01:13,100 --> 01:01:14,300
like what do I really need to do
that? 

1057
01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:16,800
Those are all the whoo people 
and I'm just not part of that 

1058
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,700
boo, boo crowd, sure. 
You can not identify with that 

1059
01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:26,500
crowd at all and still take the 
concepts and still, you know, 

1060
01:01:26,900 --> 01:01:28,700
phrase we often like to use 
throw the baby out with the 

1061
01:01:28,708 --> 01:01:32,500
bathwater but take those 
Concepts and still use them and 

1062
01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:35,700
still acknowledge that there are
inherently very problematic 

1063
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:38,000
things with the kind of the 
Wellness Group. 

1064
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,700
Yeah and I think maybe in 
slightly older I remember when 

1065
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:47,400
Wellness was called a new age so
there's always that easy before 

1066
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,800
that maybe was the hippies 
before they like the occultist. 

1067
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,800
And before that, you know, so I 
think it's, you know, there's 

1068
01:01:54,800 --> 01:02:00,900
always some version of the 
popular, the popular crowd, 

1069
01:02:00,900 --> 01:02:04,700
having some type of things that 
are quite magical, not referring

1070
01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:08,400
to them as magical. 
And then I would say for me, 

1071
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,600
it's like I feel resistance 
towards using those things 

1072
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,100
because I'm trying to separate 
myself from that space. 

1073
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:19,600
Yeah, but it's like again. 
It's an iceberg scenario, 

1074
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,200
they're dealing with kind of 
just the tip of the iceberg and 

1075
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,300
ideally where you have a more 
depth in the topic and as a 

1076
01:02:27,308 --> 01:02:31,100
study transition you just didn't
I think that this is pretty I 

1077
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:35,500
know we could make that topic be
slightly in the feelings 

1078
01:02:35,500 --> 01:02:39,600
category and also slightly and 
the integration and challenge 

1079
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,800
category so transitioning into 
like the Earth topic here. 

1080
01:02:43,900 --> 01:02:47,200
I think that go to when you 
start to work this in Your 

1081
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:54,600
everyday life one can easily 
find this like Challenge and see

1082
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,700
that as being a signal that they
cannot meditate. 

1083
01:02:59,300 --> 01:03:01,200
And there are going to be 
hurdles, it's not supposed to be

1084
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:05,800
easy, your mind is not an easy 
place to play. 

1085
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:10,900
So the first thing that we would
point to is that there's just so

1086
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:16,400
many types of of meditations and
their until you've tried them 

1087
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,900
all and every A nation of them 
then I think it's probably too. 

1088
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:24,600
It's premature to assume that 
you can't do something and you 

1089
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,700
can't meditate. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1090
01:03:26,700 --> 01:03:30,500
And then we want to talk about 
those mundane challenges like 

1091
01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:33,400
place in space. 
So, you know, maybe you live 

1092
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,800
with a lot of roommates or maybe
you live in a very busy 

1093
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,900
household with lots of loud 
people or maybe you live in a 

1094
01:03:38,908 --> 01:03:43,700
very small space and so trying 
to find peace and quiet and 

1095
01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:46,300
where you won't be bothered or 
where you are not in the way or 

1096
01:03:46,300 --> 01:03:49,000
bothersome to. 
Someone else may not be an 

1097
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,900
option that you have in your 
home and it doesn't need to be 

1098
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:54,200
done in your home. 
So you can go, you know, whether

1099
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,000
that's to a library, No, Cry. 
Find a little quiet space in 

1100
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,700
your local public library, or a 
public park again safety, which 

1101
01:04:00,700 --> 01:04:06,800
is, maybe, you know, not after 
dark alone in a creepy place, a 

1102
01:04:06,808 --> 01:04:09,800
local Trail again. 
Safety, if you know that you're 

1103
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,800
going to be kind of in this 
in-between space, make sure 

1104
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,900
you're in a safe place where 
there's no like risk of you. 

1105
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:20,900
It offers something or a wild 
animal you know coming to hang 

1106
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:23,100
out with you or anything like 
that. 

1107
01:04:23,700 --> 01:04:27,300
I'm get a change of scenery so 
maybe you've tried, you know, 

1108
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:30,400
sitting on your bed meditating, 
it's just not working for you. 

1109
01:04:31,300 --> 01:04:35,300
Some of my, in fact, all of my 
best meditations have been done 

1110
01:04:35,300 --> 01:04:38,600
in a bathtub or outside and 
drizzle and Rain there, 

1111
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,900
something about water for me. 
I'm very much a water baby that 

1112
01:04:41,900 --> 01:04:45,400
is very necessary from a 
meditative practice. 

1113
01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:48,800
Okay. 
We're really are like your best 

1114
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:53,400
meditations. 
Well, I have a space in my 

1115
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:58,200
ritual room laying down on, like
a little mat that has been 

1116
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,800
daily. 
The place that I go to, I often 

1117
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:06,000
have candles lit because while 
your water baby, I'm a fire, 

1118
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,700
baby. 
You're very kind Syrian. 

1119
01:05:10,300 --> 01:05:14,300
And yeah. 
So so, for me, I mean, the most 

1120
01:05:14,300 --> 01:05:16,900
productive, most magical, 
meditations. 

1121
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:22,800
I Had were actually in sweat 
lodges where it's super hot and 

1122
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,300
which is just so funny to like 
just suppose against your 

1123
01:05:26,300 --> 01:05:30,900
bathtub that like your make it 
makes sense for me. 

1124
01:05:30,900 --> 01:05:35,200
I've tried meditating and 
bathtubs and I'm like, no, no, 

1125
01:05:35,500 --> 01:05:37,100
no, no. 
See I need it. 

1126
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:43,300
I need to feel not of self I 
guess like where where the lines

1127
01:05:43,300 --> 01:05:47,400
between your your body and the 
water kind of Blur and that 

1128
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,500
sensation ceases to exist, like 
II need that. 

1129
01:05:51,500 --> 01:05:54,300
And sink thing. 
I love meditating like outside 

1130
01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:56,900
not directly in the rain because
I find that would be distracting

1131
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,300
but just like sitting outside 
while it's raining under like a 

1132
01:06:00,300 --> 01:06:02,700
covering of some kind. 
It's my favorite. 

1133
01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:05,600
It's my absolute favorite. 
I love that like Sally Brown 

1134
01:06:06,100 --> 01:06:09,100
sunbathing is wonderful for me. 
I think it's so funny when I'm 

1135
01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:12,000
in a bathtub try to meditate I'm
like who the water isn't getting

1136
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,300
cold? 
I don't like like where's the 

1137
01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:16,400
heat? 
Where's the fire? 

1138
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,600
How can I bring? 
Meanwhile, when I'm like sitting

1139
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,500
in the sun, I'm like, I ain't 
going to be so sunburned. 

1140
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,500
How long have you been here? 
Same same. 

1141
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,200
Yeah. 
I mean, certainly changing. 

1142
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,100
You know, if you're struggling 
to meditate changing your places

1143
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:33,600
totally a way of doing it. 
Yeah. 

1144
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:38,100
And then, you know, senses. 
So I think in today's very 

1145
01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:41,800
modern world, it can be really 
hard just to find the space and 

1146
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:46,100
time, but then also, to tune out
what's happening around you in 

1147
01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:47,900
this very busy. 
World that we live in. 

1148
01:06:47,900 --> 01:06:51,000
So just some other methods of 
helping you kind of integrate 

1149
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:55,100
that practice use headphones to 
kind of block out surrounding 

1150
01:06:55,100 --> 01:06:56,800
noise. 
If there's like a playlist that 

1151
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:02,300
you know, won't be disruptive to
your practice, including that. 

1152
01:07:02,300 --> 01:07:04,900
I love Lo-Fi music. 
I love it. 

1153
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:09,900
I love just kind of harmonious 
music that doesn't have words 

1154
01:07:09,900 --> 01:07:13,600
and is not really distracting. 
Love, just putting in some 

1155
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,000
headphones and kind of zoning 
out with that. 

1156
01:07:17,100 --> 01:07:21,400
You put your the use of a veil 
or I'm asked to remove light, I 

1157
01:07:22,300 --> 01:07:24,100
guess I've always had the 
opportunity to like turn out the

1158
01:07:24,100 --> 01:07:25,100
lights. 
I hadn't really thought about 

1159
01:07:25,100 --> 01:07:30,200
this but I do love the idea of 
kind of like like closing 

1160
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:34,000
yourself in like creating your 
own your own space within like a

1161
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:40,000
veil or an eye mask and then 
burn are spraying of a specific 

1162
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,200
smell. 
So some people kind of build 

1163
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:46,900
that muscle memory that like 
when I smelled the smell this 

1164
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,000
perience is going to happen and 
I think we have experienced that

1165
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,000
and kind of like more ritualize 
settings where like the burning 

1166
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,500
of certain instances kind of. 
Okay resets that this is the 

1167
01:07:56,500 --> 01:07:59,100
time and place that we are 
creating or the space that we 

1168
01:07:59,100 --> 01:08:02,600
are creating and so if you want 
to start that practice of like 

1169
01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:06,000
this scent or this smell, or 
maybe it's just something that's

1170
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:10,700
very comforting a meditative to 
you naturally, kind of starting 

1171
01:08:10,700 --> 01:08:14,300
that up in your space. 
And then we talked about feeling

1172
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:15,500
right. 
Something we talked about 

1173
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:20,100
earlier with the being seated I 
also I cannot stand seated 

1174
01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:23,300
meditation for me, it's the 
destruction of realizing that 

1175
01:08:23,300 --> 01:08:26,300
like, my shoulders have 
naturally slumped and yours was 

1176
01:08:26,300 --> 01:08:28,100
of your shoulders back and your 
spine straight. 

1177
01:08:28,100 --> 01:08:31,700
And, and your, you know, coccyx 
bone to the floor. 

1178
01:08:31,700 --> 01:08:36,100
And I have a very large, but so 
trying to get my coccyx, bone to

1179
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:38,700
the floor. 
It's just not comfortable or 

1180
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:40,700
realistic. 
Like tilting my pelvis. 

1181
01:08:40,700 --> 01:08:44,000
In that way. 
By the time my feet are numb. 

1182
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,800
I'm so over it. 
So fine. 

1183
01:08:46,899 --> 01:08:51,200
Find that space or are find that
that position that is going to 

1184
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,800
be not sensationally distracting
to you. 

1185
01:08:55,000 --> 01:09:00,100
Whether that's for my pain or a 
neuropathy kind of standpoint. 

1186
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:05,200
Yeah, all of those things, you 
know, find ways to work around 

1187
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:09,300
or to dull your senses in a way 
that will be productive to what 

1188
01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:10,899
you're doing. 
Totally. 

1189
01:09:10,899 --> 01:09:17,399
Yeah, I mean, ultimately assume 
that that when you Start 

1190
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:19,800
meditating, right? 
You should just assume that it's

1191
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,000
going to be a failure. 
I think start up with place of 

1192
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,100
this isn't going to work and let
me figure out me just at least 

1193
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:28,300
try this one thing. 
See if it doesn't work in the 

1194
01:09:28,300 --> 01:09:31,399
move on to the next thing. 
There's just so many different 

1195
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:34,500
combinations of those things and
then but also like journaling 

1196
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,600
about your experiences so that 
you can remember, what does 

1197
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:42,000
work, what doesn't work and just
continue to trial and error that

1198
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:46,600
through I think is super useful.
Yeah, that was something you and

1199
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,899
I I kind of threw out or court 
experience. 

1200
01:09:49,500 --> 01:09:51,700
And I don't know if you did this
but we had the kind of this 

1201
01:09:51,700 --> 01:09:56,800
meditation learning and it had 
these different exercises. 

1202
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,900
And so I actually wrote out my 
experiences with those exercises

1203
01:09:59,900 --> 01:10:02,400
and I love to go back now. 
And look at them because the 

1204
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,800
settings I was in which I did 
take note of very much 

1205
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,400
determined its success of those 
practices for me. 

1206
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:13,000
So that was it was interesting 
because one of the most 

1207
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,600
successful ones that I had was 
Outdoors while it was Like and I

1208
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,000
was like, wow, I really expected
this to be a total fail because 

1209
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,900
it was raining and it was so 
great. 

1210
01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:26,100
So I think the journaling aspect
of that is can be really 

1211
01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:29,600
important especially if you kind
of coming from like the 

1212
01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:33,500
scientific scientific method 
aspect want to like, verify 

1213
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:37,100
like, yes, this did work or know
this didn't work in this maybe 

1214
01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:39,400
is why? 
Yeah, I mean, I think with any 

1215
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:47,100
magical practice in any magical 
ritual, or spellcraft, And like 

1216
01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:52,600
that, we the documentation of 
that thing is part of the 

1217
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,200
growth. 
I mean, there's everybody will 

1218
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:59,200
say that journaling your 
experience is recording, your 

1219
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,400
experiences is like, how you 
continue to get better and I 

1220
01:11:02,408 --> 01:11:05,900
think it's because you can go 
back and reflect and take note 

1221
01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:09,500
of those things where it's 
really easy to remember why it 

1222
01:11:09,500 --> 01:11:11,400
was great or why it was not 
great. 

1223
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:17,500
And yeah, Sterling's great much 
as I know I'm not Just naturally

1224
01:11:17,500 --> 01:11:21,300
a journal or so. 
That's like totally something 

1225
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:23,600
that I have to like, force 
myself to do, but it is so 

1226
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,700
valuable later to go back and 
look at. 

1227
01:11:25,700 --> 01:11:28,900
So, you know, if you're not a 
journaler, just suck it up and 

1228
01:11:28,900 --> 01:11:33,000
do the thing, just do the thing.
And then we wanted to talk about

1229
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:39,100
maybe if you have kind of like a
mental block to to meditating 

1230
01:11:39,300 --> 01:11:42,400
and maybe that's for a very 
physiological reason so people 

1231
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:47,200
who maybe have like ADD ADHD or 
similar diagnosis, so So I'm 

1232
01:11:47,500 --> 01:11:49,400
kind of my mind was kind of 
going through this things, like 

1233
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:53,600
maybe narcolepsy or things like 
restless leg syndrome, that 

1234
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,900
might make it very difficult for
you, to be able to tune out, 

1235
01:11:56,900 --> 01:12:00,400
kind of your physical body, or 
do not get distracted by the 

1236
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,400
things that are happening to 
you, both mentally and 

1237
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,700
physically. 
And so, in those diagnoses, that

1238
01:12:05,700 --> 01:12:08,300
may make it very difficult for 
you to have kind of undivided 

1239
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:11,000
attention. 
I think Step One is, give 

1240
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,100
yourself Grace, right? 
You, if you know these things 

1241
01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:16,500
about yourself, there's no point
in beating yourself up about 

1242
01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:19,100
them. 
Acknowledge them find 

1243
01:12:19,100 --> 01:12:23,500
workarounds for them, don't get 
so discouraged because the first

1244
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:27,100
one didn't work out great. 
What can we do to kind of make 

1245
01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:30,000
this so that it works for you. 
This practice is for you. 

1246
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,900
So let's find a way to make it 
work for you. 

1247
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,400
Acknowledge those intrusive 
thoughts and just redirect a 

1248
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,200
purpose, right? 
I think when you pass a lot of 

1249
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:43,000
judgment on your inability or 
maybe the struggle to like not 

1250
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,900
have intrusive thoughts that 
almost just makes it worse. 

1251
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:48,600
So it reminds me of Of things 
like stuttering. 

1252
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,600
For instance, the more you focus
on the stutter, the worst, the 

1253
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,700
stutters going to get. 
So instead, let's focus on. 

1254
01:12:54,700 --> 01:12:57,400
Yep, had that thought 
acknowledge it, put it away, 

1255
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:02,100
redirect to focus, right? 
If it doesn't work, if it's not 

1256
01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:04,800
working, don't draw out the 
Missouri. 

1257
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,700
Step away from it, take that 
down in your Journal as a. 

1258
01:13:08,700 --> 01:13:11,500
Nope didn't work. 
And move on find something. 

1259
01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:15,800
Different don't just stick it 
through to stick it through and 

1260
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:17,900
be miserable and get nothing. 
Of it because then you're just 

1261
01:13:17,900 --> 01:13:20,400
wasting your own time. 
And then you're probably not 

1262
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:21,700
going to give yourself that 
Grace. 

1263
01:13:21,700 --> 01:13:24,600
That really is needed. 
Yeah, I mean, I think there's a 

1264
01:13:24,608 --> 01:13:28,800
balance there of sticking it out
versus transition to something 

1265
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,900
else. 
And that's, you know, you have 

1266
01:13:31,908 --> 01:13:35,100
to know yourself well enough to 
know, like, have I exhausted 

1267
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:38,000
that experience and am I giving 
up? 

1268
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,700
Because it's actually not 
working for me? 

1269
01:13:40,700 --> 01:13:43,000
Or am I giving up? 
Because I haven't, it had, it's 

1270
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,000
not easy yet. 
And I know that there's a lot 

1271
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:49,200
of, there's a lot of 
Conversation in magical 

1272
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:54,100
communities about meditation and
about accepting differences in 

1273
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,100
people, you know, some people 
it's hard for them to read. 

1274
01:13:57,100 --> 01:13:59,000
So them reading books doesn't 
make sense. 

1275
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,500
Maybe listening to books makes 
more sense for other. 

1276
01:14:02,500 --> 01:14:05,500
People meditating is hard 
because their mind is naturally 

1277
01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:09,900
scattered and it's hard for them
to stay on one topic. 

1278
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:16,800
And I have a problem with that 
and this is super potentially 

1279
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:23,000
Medic, I don't suffer from ADHD 
as much as I do with like 

1280
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,900
dyslexia and things like that, 
so honestly, I need to shut the 

1281
01:14:26,908 --> 01:14:30,800
fuck up about it, but since 
there is just some kind of 

1282
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:35,000
friction that I feel with that 
idea of giving up on the 

1283
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:40,500
practice of training your mind 
and having control over your 

1284
01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:44,800
mind. 
I think that it's worth the 

1285
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,600
practice even if it's hard. 
I do. 

1286
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,300
And I've read studies where, you
know, people even with ADHD 

1287
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,700
benefit from the idea of 
meditation, but maybe that 

1288
01:14:53,700 --> 01:14:56,300
meditation looks different. 
So I don't know all the 

1289
01:14:56,300 --> 01:14:57,800
different versions of 
meditation. 

1290
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,000
Even if there is a challenge 
that you're experiencing, the 

1291
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:05,300
idea of being able to control 
your own thoughts is magical 

1292
01:15:05,300 --> 01:15:10,200
unto itself, is the type of 
work, that's I think required in

1293
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,800
order for you to do a lot of 
magic, which I guess would 

1294
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,800
transitions us into kind of our 
final. 

1295
01:15:17,500 --> 01:15:21,700
Please here within kind of the 
challenges of integration within

1296
01:15:21,700 --> 01:15:24,200
our Earth topic. 
I don't know. 

1297
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:28,100
Danny, what do you think, can 
you even do magic without 

1298
01:15:28,100 --> 01:15:31,900
meditation / brain training? 
Is it possible? 

1299
01:15:31,900 --> 01:15:34,400
Yeah. 
And I think that question in and

1300
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:38,100
of itself is it's giving you a 
very yes or no. 

1301
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:39,000
Right. 
A binary. 

1302
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:40,200
Can you? 
Yes or no? 

1303
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:42,400
And I think this is more of like
a spectrum. 

1304
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,100
It's not about, can you? 
But can you do it? 

1305
01:15:45,100 --> 01:15:49,500
Well, so, if Being able to focus
your intention and manipulation 

1306
01:15:49,500 --> 01:15:52,900
of thought is very difficult for
you and you aren't willing to 

1307
01:15:52,900 --> 01:15:56,400
work on it. 
I would argue that you probably 

1308
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,700
will have issues with 
manipulating energy and 

1309
01:15:58,700 --> 01:16:02,200
visualizing intent. 
And that these exercises are 

1310
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,900
really meant to like exercise 
that muscle. 

1311
01:16:05,100 --> 01:16:06,700
So it's not. 
Can you do magic? 

1312
01:16:06,700 --> 01:16:10,600
Of course you can, but will it 
be a successful as it would be 

1313
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,600
if you took this practice and 
really found a way to work 

1314
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,800
through it or found a way to 
make it work? 

1315
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:21,300
For you and be better for you. 
I think the more that you work 

1316
01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:25,600
at this practice and the more 
that you get on that spectrum of

1317
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,800
it being more successful for 
you, I would argue that it will 

1318
01:16:29,100 --> 01:16:31,500
help your magic be more 
successful as well. 

1319
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,100
So it's not so much can you or 
can't? 

1320
01:16:34,100 --> 01:16:38,500
You it's more of the spectrum of
how well, can you do it? 

1321
01:16:39,100 --> 01:16:43,600
And that's really, you know, Ben
and I found to be important in 

1322
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:48,200
my craft is harnessing that 
control over My mind and more 

1323
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,800
that I can do that. 
The more successful my 

1324
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,400
Adventures, my The Avenues of 
magic will be. 

1325
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,000
Yeah. 
And and exerting your will to 

1326
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,000
change a reality, right? 
That's we're talking about, 

1327
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,100
we're talking about witchcraft. 
We can stand Point. 

1328
01:17:03,100 --> 01:17:05,700
Like, how do you work with the 
gods without being able to 

1329
01:17:05,708 --> 01:17:07,400
control your brain? 
Sure, right. 

1330
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,900
Can you work with your ancestors
without having deep? 

1331
01:17:09,900 --> 01:17:14,500
Meditative practice may be sure.
Like I think that's possible but

1332
01:17:14,500 --> 01:17:19,100
when I think specifically were 
talking about The magic aspects 

1333
01:17:19,100 --> 01:17:23,800
of Witchcraft, even within a 
Wiccan or non we can standpoint.

1334
01:17:23,900 --> 01:17:27,900
I mean, we're talking about 
changing your changing your 

1335
01:17:27,900 --> 01:17:30,300
brain, a lot of ways, right? 
So maybe, I don't know. 

1336
01:17:30,300 --> 01:17:33,200
Maybe this spell could be a 
meditation on to itself because 

1337
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:36,900
it's asking you to align your 
behaviors and your intention. 

1338
01:17:37,500 --> 01:17:40,000
So, maybe that is a way of 
focusing, your brain is like, 

1339
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,100
working a spell. 
But if you're practicing 

1340
01:17:43,100 --> 01:17:46,100
witchcraft for the purposes of 
like attaining, your personal 

1341
01:17:46,100 --> 01:17:50,300
potential, Oil or for growth 
then the meditation and 

1342
01:17:50,300 --> 01:17:52,700
meditation is part of that work,
right? 

1343
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,700
There's other ways, I think to 
train your brain outside of 

1344
01:17:56,700 --> 01:17:58,500
meditation. 
So certainly not limiting. 

1345
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That something that I kind of 
got deep into was, in LA, in 

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l.a. 
P, which is that 

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neuro-linguistic programming, 
and this has a lot, there's a 

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couple of examples. 
I'm going to link a article 

1349
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here. 
Tony Robbins, Tony Robbins, I 

1350
01:18:17,100 --> 01:18:21,900
wanted to say to Tony problems 
because he is problematic and 

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and there's a lot of like not, 
he hasn't aged well in all of 

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the ways. 
But listen, you know, he's a 

1353
01:18:28,308 --> 01:18:33,200
boomer what you going to do, but
he has a really interesting 

1354
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,700
point here around an LP. 
This was something that is 

1355
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really one of the Paramount 
aspects of his whole coaching 

1356
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model. 
He's been very successful with 

1357
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that but it's like changing how 
your brain thinks about Things 

1358
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:51,700
from, you know, imagery and 
like, replacing what you want 

1359
01:18:52,100 --> 01:18:56,600
versus what you don't want 
mirroring incantations like that

1360
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:58,000
dudes to do in witchcraft. 
I'm just sorry. 

1361
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,200
I'm sorry. 
That dude is Joe was gonna say, 

1362
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is this a witch or? 
No, because it sounds very the 

1363
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same. 
He's a very, very tall, which 

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deepest voice is funny. 
But something that I just want 

1365
01:19:12,700 --> 01:19:17,400
to mention here is and I could 
have approached the Types of 

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meditation around like grounding
and centering and, and all of 

1367
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those things, which are 
combinations of practices that 

1368
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are quite popular with in the 
Witchcraft world, where 

1369
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meditation has kind of gotten a 
Rebrand, but the purpose of 

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meditation can be to train your 
brain. 

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01:19:38,100 --> 01:19:40,800
I've also especially like it 
within High magic. 

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The a lot of the banishing 
rituals is about quieting your 

1373
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,900
brain getting In out energy so 
that you can put new energy in 

1374
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and being able to develop those 
psychic entities is kind of part

1375
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,300
of the magic. 
So, we could go on and on about,

1376
01:19:57,300 --> 01:20:01,100
like, can you actually do 
meditation? 

1377
01:20:03,100 --> 01:20:04,700
Can you actually do magic 
without meditation? 

1378
01:20:04,700 --> 01:20:10,800
And I'm not certain that 
defining meditation as brain 

1379
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,500
training if you can write, I'm 
pretty sure. 

1380
01:20:13,500 --> 01:20:17,700
You have to train your brain in 
order to change your And to 

1381
01:20:17,700 --> 01:20:20,900
change the reality. 
So, yeah. 

1382
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Anything else on the topic that 
is everything that I have to 

1383
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,300
regurgitate. 
That's it, that's it. 

1384
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:33,500
I think, I think we've kind of 
Thoroughly kind of turned it 

1385
01:20:33,500 --> 01:20:36,600
over, at least the, the basic 
thoughts and Concepts. 

1386
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,000
And I hope that we've opened up 
enough avenues for people to 

1387
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,900
kind of explore this topic on 
their own. 

1388
01:20:41,900 --> 01:20:44,100
And finally, really speaks to 
them, and what makes sense to 

1389
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them. 
And I hope that we've kind of of

1390
01:20:47,100 --> 01:20:50,300
given our points of view. 
And I really concise way that 

1391
01:20:50,300 --> 01:20:54,600
helps kind of maybe help people 
get over some of those barriers,

1392
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:55,800
right? 
Especially if you think 

1393
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,000
meditation is just a one-way 
practice or there's only, you 

1394
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:00,400
know, a handful of ways to do 
it. 

1395
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,300
No, there are so so many out 
there. 

1396
01:21:02,300 --> 01:21:04,800
So hopefully, we kind of opened 
some doors for people who maybe 

1397
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,500
have felt put out by the 
meditative Community, kind of 

1398
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:11,700
felt like they don't have a 
place or know where their place 

1399
01:21:11,700 --> 01:21:14,700
would be in it. 
Hopefully we've opened some more

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01:21:14,700 --> 01:21:17,300
Avenues of thought for you guys.
Love it. 

1401
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,700
All right, guys. 
Well, as always, which has 

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01:21:20,700 --> 01:21:23,800
blessed be and be? 
Well, we'll talk to you soon.