Do it Danny welcome back to to real witches.
I'm here with my opulent co-host Oak and I'm here with my
dazzling co-host Dani and today we are tackling and or going to
be pummeled by the may be overly ambitious, the topic of deity
worship with this abundance of overconfidence that we have.
So, let's dive into it. Let's do it.
I mean, this is the a perfect topic to follow our first
episode, which was about our faith five podcast.
And now we're going to go into the player transition of God's.
So let's talk about, you know, why are we kind of digging into
what might be a really giant topic to kind of take on and a
first episode, as we're going through the show notes, I think
it's abundantly clear to both of us that this is kind of a really
big topic, but I think for us both of us being in, Outer
Court. This is really repurposing a way
of us exploring this topic, because for us, from a religious
standpoint, this is where you start.
This is kind of where you start where if you're starting from,
kind of a secular Point. Yeah, sure.
Let's talk about tools. Let's, let's talk about
manifestation. Let's talk about meditation, but
if we're coming from a religious standpoint, this is really what
makes the most sense, maybe. So this is witchcraft to Wicca
that that Transition into being a god Centric religion for my
practitioners standpoint, this really is step one, this is
learning about the gods developing relationship.
This is what the religions all about.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and obviously, we are making space
for the fact that there are a lot of practicing, which is who
practice Witchcraft and what it called themselves Wiccan and
that's valid and there. Are a lot of practicing witches
who are not Wicked and also worship gods.
And that's valid to and we are starting from the place of
practicing, which is who are Wiccan in, who work with what
can gods and yeah God's the reason for the season.
Yeah. So why don't we dive into why
are we aren't qualified to kind of have this humongous
discussion? Ian, we are not.
We are not qualified. I did not go to school for
theology. Wish I could have would have
maybe we'll but yeah, we're not qualified.
These are just our personal ideas and experiences that, you
know. So yeah we're not but I love
that. We just approach that from a
very like yeah but no. Yeah we are you know, we're
Seekers on her traditional path of our experience with the gods
was really our own at this point.
I wouldn't say that either of us are experts in any way, shape,
or form, and this is just kind of our personal gnosis.
So, what we plan to cover today is kind of info the how, and
when some of our personal point of views and like personal
applications and then we'll probably save for another
episode more of our things around history, and debating
problematic aspects and kind of sharing some more in-depth point
of our practices. Yeah, about we were full
disclosure. We tried to make this one
episode and then we realized how foolish we were being, okay?
So we are going segment, this into two topics and two
episodes, but we are not going to cover, even in the second
episode. We're not going to go that deep
into history. Obviously, this is a topic that
is deep and wide enough to have been a A year academic practice
and we're kind of skimming the top that we find relevant for
the conversation but we will be covering some deeper takes and
some deeper historical points in episode 2.
But this episode is going to be all about kind of entry-level
info and the what and the how, and we'll kind of discover the
why and the what if in episode 2.
All right. Well Get into it.
Then we're going to go into all of our kind of functional terms
of gods and deities and Pantheon's and patrons, not
matron, not not Matrix. This is like a point of
contention. You're like, yes, not that,
don't don't say that. So let's start with just some
fun fact. So there are at least 18,000
different gods goddesses and various animals objects that
have been worshipped kind of throughout time by humans.
So I think it's really important that we kind of break these down
to base terms so that we're all working with the same functional
vocabulary. So Gods worshipped entity that
has control or power of its own and okay, I think you have a
really important Point here about God's versus creators.
Yeah, I think we, if you grew up in a Christian Society, Like
every American that I know did you can often equate?
The idea of God singular as God the Creator.
And when we're talking about God's, we're talking about any
of these Pantheon's, in a poly, a stick point of view, we're not
necessarily saying that the God is the creator of the cosmos.
We're talking about Pantheon's not necessarily cosmology.
So we're not justifying how the Earth was created.
Or How the Universe was created were really talking about these
entities completely agnostic of that topic.
Also. Yeah, and then we'll also use
the term deity and gods generally interchangeably, but
we do want to make sure that you functionally know kind of what
is the difference between those two things.
So a deity would really be any Supernatural entity, and gods do
fall under that umbrella. So gods goddesses all under that
umbrella, the word itself means divine in nature and we could
say, nature itself is divine, right?
So duty is not necessarily just Just God's it can Encompass.
Really any of these Supernatural entities that are recognized and
cultures all over the world all throughout history and gods are
just one aspect of that. Sure.
Yeah and then when we're talking about Pantheon's, we're talking
about really the gods of the people.
We're talking about a collection of deities, if you will, also
Pantheon's as I was kind of diving into this topic, is also
a term that we use to reference a Temple dedicated to God's.
Yes, but in this instance, we're seeing Pantheon versing a system
of gods and their lore. Yeah.
And there are tons of different Pantheon's from tons of
different cultures and lore ranging from African to Slavic
and so on and so on and so on you could Wikipedia the end of
this to the end of time so we won't be going in depth to like
individual Pantheon's because that would also be a lifelong
Endeavor. But just so you know, there are
so many different Pantheon's out there and we're talking about
systems of belief and system. Floor and you don't necessarily
have to be tied to just one and we they aren't always
necessarily describing just God's it's important members of
those lore and from the culture area but for the purposes of
this episode we're going to be talking about the gods of those
Pantheon. So just the last topic that we
would like to create some definition around, would be the
word Patron. Patron is often referring to.
If we're talking to secular sense a person who gives
Financial Or other support to another person or organization
or cause when were using it in the magical sense.
We're often referring to us working with a designated god or
goddess, or anything in between, it is not necessary for us to
leverage the word matron as like a feminine version of patreon.
Patron is a fine enough term to cover both gods and goddesses
and anything in between and I think we'll jump into kind of
how do you connect with the God? So, how do you, how do you
initiate that relationship? Yeah, yeah.
So getting to know them, obviously there's a number of
different ways to approach the topic.
I like to often start with the association's.
So I think you actually made a really good point.
Danny that often, when we're getting to know God's, maybe we
could create an analogy that we are starting to date them.
So we might dive into You know, who are they?
What are they into? So finding associations right?
This could be something around like what element are there?
They have fiery deity or the water EDD?
Maybe what color would represent them?
Is there a certain smell? Is there an herb or tree even a
temperature, right? Are they hot, are they cold?
Are they comforting? You could also even go into
places, like, you know, what is their planetary connection?
Like, what planet would you connect them with?
This is a common idea in astrology.
You could also even think about them from the standpoint of like
if they had a birth chart, what would be their sun sign?
What would be the rising sign? Well, where would their Moon?
We could also talk about. You know, what foods do you
associate with them? What would be their ideal place
to live? Maybe it's part of their
culture. Maybe there's just a place that
really embodies their energy and this goes it on and on, right?
I really love the idea of like what song do they love?
So that's one way to get to know them.
Another way is to kind of zoom out and go a bit deeper and try
to understand is there a lesson that they are presenting in
their lore and their myths? Is there like a philosophy or
point of view that they represent?
We can see someone like Odin, for instance, representing the
magical aspects of the world and kind of this enchanting process
of being able to take control over all of your Her actions and
not be at the mercy of your fate.
But rather, tap into being able to be really silver-tongued and
potentially manipulate people. But in all, you know, you're
taking responsibility for your actions and you're taking
responsibility for your reality is you're not waiting for things
to happen. So maybe that's the point of
view or the lesson philosophy that Odin has.
What are some ways that you connect with your guts Danny?
Yeah so I think a few methods that we could kind of go with is
first Research, redis. If you're coming at this, from
the perspective of not having a lot of bases, not having a lot
of background, always start with research, identifying a common
theme or thread or something that you identify with.
I think there are so many gods and goddesses out there that
kind of have these aspects that we relate to them.
So if one of those is more enticing to you or is more
important to you in your mundane life, connecting to those and
then In selecting that DD to petition or looking into your
own history. So there's a lot of, you know,
where am I from, where is my culture from?
And then looking into the lore of that culture and connecting
to the goddesses, the gods that are connected to that culture?
I know not everybody has that benefit, not everybody knows
their family history. So if that's not an option
available to you, then letting deity find you.
This method is not always effective.
If however, and this is more for those that are not specifically
looking for Dede worship. So if you're like, this is
important to me and I want to petition a god, this is the very
less direct route. This is the if we're dating this
is the come chase me method and it's not always effective.
I would say it's the least effective of the three but it is
an option. If you're like, oh I just don't
really want to like throw them all and I hat and pick one.
There's also the the seeing what speaks to you what comes to you?
Yeah, well, I think we could also transition now into like,
how once you have research to God, once you have gotten to
know them and you understand their culture and their point of
view and all those associations and how they connect with
potentially your history and your ancestors, you know, how do
we actually make that connection or how do we go on that?
Maybe first date. If I continued with that analogy
and I have Personally, in my own personal practice, create a
ritual for this. I found that quite effective.
So as an example, casting a circle, then maybe you identify
your name, calling them by their names and by all the association
that you created for them and maybe telling their story a
little bit, then you could invite them in next.
In this ritual, I would describe the ways in which I would
worship them. So they could recognize the
forms of worship that I'm creating and why I'm doing that.
And then maybe also kind of Create some terms of Engagement,
so describe how you want them to involve themselves in your life
at that point in this ritual of connection, I would also
probably create some offerings and give the offerings at that
point with intention. I could perform some type of
like divination to confirm whether or not they're like into
me to see like our we've, I then, are you into this?
And and then finally, I could thank them for coming saying
something along the Lines of, you know, stay, if you will lead
a few months, that's a go to Ritual line for Daddy and then
you get closer close. So just as an example, here are
some steps that you could use that.
I personally have used to connect with Daddy in a virtual
setting but there's a lot of other ways to call in God's,
obviously. But just as one go-to example,
And now we can talk about the actual, I guess, act of worship.
So when we talk about worshiping the gods, you know, when are we
worshiping them? Why are we worshiping them when
I was that time that were doing that and so there are some
different methods that you can use for this and so one of those
is being time-based so that can be astrologically based on lunar
phases solar phases, planetary transitions.
So for instance, if Mercury's in retrograde make, we're going to
work with Mercury weekly, you know, you could say okay, every
Sunday I'm going to do something that's essentially the tenets of
the Christian religion, right? We go to church on Sunday and
that's when we do our worship daily, you know, if this is
something that maybe you're working small practices in
again, don't overexert yourself which is but you know if it's
something that you're going to put into a daily practice for
yourself, we love the year or season.
So maybe on a particular Babbitt.
That's when you're honoring a specific deity or maybe just
every sabot, just putting something into your celebration.
That is specifically for them and then we also have season.
So if your DD specifically attuned to one season, whether
that's Autumn or summer again just kind of knowing their
temperament and knowing kind of their history, maybe you do
something really special in that season to honor them.
And then you can also have things like morning, greetings
evening, salutations, you know? Maybe it's, it's something you
do daily but it's at a specific time of the day because at
specific time of the day, is important to that deity.
Specifically. And then we also have maybe a
specific time in the day, maybe, you know, they're associated
with noon. So at noon is when you take your
lunch every day and you commune with, with your gods and then we
even have things like during menstruation.
So if that That goddess probably is more suited for menstruation
maybe during that week time, that's when you're really like
connected and in the zone with that got us where the other
three weeks or so the month you're just kind of doing your
own thing, but then when you hit that ministration week, you
know, that's their time. I love that.
I just had this Vision in my head of been reading God during
their menstruation. I think that's amazing.
Yes, certainly Goddess that makes that's the best assistant.
I don't know of any Gods. Yeah yeah.
Like which one would connect with menstruation interesting?
So you could also you know time would be one trigger.
Another trigger could be your behaviors that you have
throughout your life. While you're doing these things,
you could also use that time to connect with worshipping God.
So there's a classic example of this of food blessings.
Right? So when you sit down to eat, you
could call on your God or God has to bless your Foods whenever
you're doing meditations. Obviously.
That's a classic time, but anytime you have you even like
hygiene rituals. So maybe your morning shower, or
any time you wash your hands, maybe you'll connect with a
goddess like hygena. That would be a great goddess.
Right? For hand-washing, whenever
you're working out. This isn't one of my favorite
things is to connect with Daddy and have some mindfulness when
you're lifting. Weights and sweat or you could
you could connect with 80 prior to sleep, maybe when you're
traveling or obviously you know you're coming to meetings.
That could also be a time. So there could be behavioral
triggers that you connect with God worship.
What else? I think, also, when you're in
need, right? So why are we facilitating this
relationship? And it's typically because we
want to create this real relationship with Daddy because
we, you know, You are drawing from that energy.
And so, when you're in need, when you need their guidance, we
need their assistance. When you want their favor, that
would be a time to connect. And really develop ritual or
develop practice around. How will you ask for that?
You know, how do we asking and and give and get for that.
Yeah, yeah, there's no shame in that game, right?
I was like asking when you're in need for something from a god or
goddess that you work with, ideally, you already have a
relationship built. So Not transactional in nature.
However, there isn't really any right or wrong.
There was not a kind of moralistic viewpoint that.
Like, oh if you ask for something, when you're in need,
then that's trivial. Or maybe somehow like I said
transactionally. I think that it's totally cool.
Like when you're in need. Yeah, that's when you that's
when you ask for things. Cool.
So we kind of talked about the when part we can also talk about
the how right? Like how would we actually do
these worships? Worships.
I don't know where I put her lies that when would you do the
worship of the Gods? Yeah.
And so there is this a lovely acronym that Oak put together
for us because that is Oka. Nutshell for pro.
So the first one is praised so that would really be.
I think we've talked about like communing with the Gods, Not in
a way that is necessarily sacrificial.
But is more of like enjoying this space and time together
doing something that you enjoy. That could be Singing painting
writing journaling, telling stories, you know, if you're a
great orator, you know, telling this the story, telling their
story decorating building, an altar space building, you know,
something to them for them, dancing crafting, hey partying,
you know, there are quite a few party Gods out there, you know,
so enjoying that time and space with them as opposed to for
them. And continue with an acronym of
pro cleaning. Your altar space, cleaning your
your worship space, anything that requires effort, right?
So cleaning lifting weights cooking having this sex.
Could I could I say that all of those things could be ways of
worshipping dating. Cool.
Okay. Well, now that we've had a
pretty comprehensive list of, you know, how do we connect with
the gods? How do we call in the gods as an
example? Ritual, how do we worship the
gods? Whether it's, you know,
triggered based on time or how do we do that with, you know,
praise ritual or offering? We could also I guess share a
little bit about our own personal practices if you wanted
to do that. Yeah.
Yeah, so go through yours. Sure.
Yeah, so for me, so the, the deity that I connect with
directly is all one or elune if you're Welsh and into that.
But for me I don't have like a specific altar space for her.
My she is just part of my regular altar space.
So I have items on my altar, that are specifically signifiers
of her, because she is really a part of all the things that I
decide to do in that space. And but mostly the way that I
connect to hers through mid-level meditations.
So I have mentally developed a space where we meet and so that
space is really meant to invite her.
There are things in that space that are specific signifiers of
her. So, being a sun goddess, I have
aspects of the Sun in there. Being someone associated with
white clovers, I will ring of white clovers kind of in that
sin circling space. The space where we meet.
And then it really is as a meditative space.
Now, that's not to say you couldn't create that physical
space. I could totally go in my
backyard and plan a circle of white clovers and create that
space but it really is one of those things where we connect in
a mental way, we create connecting the meditative way
and so that's where I meet her but that sounds so inviting your
little astral Temple for her laptop.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's it was the way I was First introduced to her.
And so it seems you know when when a deity extends a
preference, I think you should follow that through.
And so the way I have connected with her is in meditative States
and so that's where we meet. So I'm creating that inviting
space, not in a physical form necessarily but in a mental form
and then correspondence work for petitioning is one of the other
ways, you know, so really diving into, like, what is deity your
DD known for what Are they recorded as enjoying?
And then what has your experience with them alerted you
to write? So my experience is that, she
likes to be reached in this meditative state in this place,
in the space where I kind of wipe, the Slate clean of all
over other thoughts and what's going on and really come to this
space. With something I want to talk
about something, I want to review something, I want to kind
of mentally run the gamut of and then she comes into that space
and really helps me. In those times, where I'm having
a hard time kind of choosing a course of action because that is
one of the things that I have known her for and that is kind
of known for in her lures that she's pretty straight to the
point and direct. And, nope, this is what we're
doing in. This is the plan of action, so
that is how I experienced her. So that is the correspondence
that we have. But then also, things like I do
have white clover, planted for her, I do have because she is
very wise. I do have a little owl Piggy.
Bank that I use non-traditional forms monetary forms.
So on days when I need to make a decision or handle, a tough for
sensitive situation, I will feed my little piggy bank, with one
of those non-traditional forms of currency and then that's
really like, hey, you know, I need some guidance today, I'm
going to need some help, I'm going to need you to really help
direct my thoughts in a way that helps me take decisive action.
That's awesome. And then being so specific and
sharing exactly how you're doing those things.
I think a lot of people talk about god or goddess worship and
and maybe feel the need to keep their practice to themselves.
But, you know, I think we talked about before we started that
it's not necessary to be so secretive.
When it, you're talking about god or goddess worship because
it is not as if you're this is a spell that someone off that
you're going to somehow Minimize the impact of, right?
It's not about like, by sharing this, we're not lessening your
connection with your goddess, right?
We are actually, maybe strengthening because we're
putting more energy, more thought behind it, as I think,
thank you for being so specific. I love that.
Yeah, yeah. Like breathing into the name,
you know, and Owen is one of those that doesn't have a ton of
lore, at least, not specifically about her.
She actually shows up very little in her own myth and so,
You know, by talking about your deity, not necessarily
converting you right to my way of thinking, but we're speaking
energy into that deity, right? And that's probably something
we'll talk about in the next episode is like where did the
gods come from? We know, what is our belief on
how that works? And I just kind of believe that
the more that we talk about them, the more that we share
experience, that is also a form of veneration and that's how we
kind of bring more life into them.
Breathe more energy into them. And then also, I have here is
for me, working with deity. Less is more.
I'm very busy. I have a lot going on at work.
I have a lot going on in my personal life.
I have just a lot of different Avenues of things that I'm
taking up. And so for me, it's about what
can I reasonably upkeep and consistency is key.
Right? If we're talking about building
a relationship, it shouldn't be one of those things that okay
well I've contacted and I've petitioned a deity and now I
don't speak to them for a month. I enjoy this deity.
I want them to work with me, but I don't find ways to honor them
on a regular basis. So for me, it's about the
consistency of the upkeep of that relationship and not, you
know, ghosting your deity. Okay, okay, I hear you talking
to me directly. I hear you.
I mean, okay, so I think you are such a realistic person.
You're so good at being Assistant and like not biting
off more than you can chew. And I think that that that is
admirable. I have definitely in the past
been off more than I could chew and yes.
And so that consistency, I do believe actually creates the
most powerful connection but at the same time it's like, if you
forget like to pick up where you left off, it is totally okay for
you to fall off the daddy wagon, pick back up and I'm saying
that. Probably mostly for myself, but
yeah, I think, as we probably mature in our practice, we
realize that consistency is probably more valuable than
picking something that's art, and you can always build, right?
This kind of like working hours. It's like it's more important
about what you do every day than what you do once in a while.
So doing something small and using those time triggers to
remind yourself to keep that continual connection is super
valuable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, your
aspiration. You're so good at being
consistent is that line? Well and like you said, it's
buildable, right? So maybe you start small and
then once that's part of your regular routine, once that's
very normative for you, then you can build upon it but I think
sometimes you know, people want to take on especially
sacrificial things and I guess that's my second point.
Is what you actually enjoy doing, right?
Don't commit to doing something for your knee.
That you don't like right? Like, why would I take up
playing an instrument? I don't enjoy because it It
happens to be the instrument they're associated with.
I think there's value in sacrifice.
Absolutely, and especially things that you want to learn or
that you're willing to learn. But I don't necessarily think
there is value in doing something that you hate.
And I would even argue that the negative energy that you put
into that thing. Actually, doesn't contribute to
your relationship and doesn't contribute to that energy in a
meaningful or buildable way. I would actually Is it probably
detract from that relationship that you hate this energy?
You're putting into a thing and so, you know?
Yeah, I mean I think it also depends on like the frequency.
If you're doing it one time, you hate it, but you're doing it as
a sacrifice. Then that's one thing, but if
you're doing it consistently, something you hate that that's
not probably even what the deities want you to do.
So there's probably a version of this where you could, you know,
there's some painful thing. Like maybe it's you don't love
cooking, but you're going to force yourself to cook one time
for this daddy. Like that's great, but if you're
going to ask yourself to cook every night and you hate doing
that, and like, that's not productive because you probably
are going to not be consistent at it, so it probably feeds back
into the consistency thing. Yeah, yeah.
And then you know and if you're going to start that cooking
thing again, start small, maybe it's once a week and then, as
that skill, gets better, you will probably enjoy it more when
you're like kind of good at it. So, you know, don't commit to
something that you absolutely hate, be willing to try things
and then say, I don't think that's for me and start with
something that's buildable. Don't start, you know, with, I'm
going to do something crazy in my backyard every weekend and
then realize that that's just not something that consistently
you can hold on to. And then I think also thinking
about what talents do you already have to give, right?
And that's where we get back into that praise and maybe
something that you You enjoy doing that, you can use to
venerate your God. So what towns do you already
possess that align with those correspondences that align with
what you know about your Gods, the relationship that you've
built with them that you can already tap into maybe while
you're developing some of these other talents, maybe while
you're learning some of these other skills, what do you
already have to give, you know, let's not shoot for the moon and
then land back here on Earth because we didn't even get Or to
what we actually wanted to get to.
Let's really think about what do we have to give.
Just like, we are thinking about what do the gods have to give to
us again? It's building that relationship.
It's that give-and-take. It's the natural kind of
phenomenon of building relationship and being really
honest with ourselves. About what do we offer to this
relationship? And what skills do we maybe need
to grow in? What skills?
Can we maybe get better at? So, for my daddy worship
currently, I work with Hestia and so I mean it's not a talent
necessarily, but it is something that I can do.
You know, I've done some kind of like art projects for Hestia in
order to connect with her as a like home decoration.
She's very much connected with home.
So me having something that represents her specifically
actually in my kitchen. It actually helps to trigger me
into some of my behaviors, but the act of reading that piece
was and of itself a form of worship and it started off as
praise and maybe it's turned into sacrifice because it took
so long. But you know it was there, it
was there and I finished it. So I'm happy with that.
Yeah, but another way that I worship Hestia is through food
and drink. She was connected with the
Hearth and with even kind of like a city or a Town's fire and
their City shared, kind of Hearth if you go and so food and
drink was a major offering they would often offer the best and
offer the first offering to Hestia before honoring any of
the other gods. So it's something that I think
about quite often especially food and drink that I find to be
special. So I'm certainly not Necessarily
giving every meal. But the ones that I spend time
cooking or the ones that I specifically like wine.
For instance, would be absolutely something.
That would be a great offering for her because it is special
enough for, and then maintaining Alters.
I've actually I'm finishing a renovation of my kitchen.
And so, there is absolutely a space that will be a alter that
I maintain for her on one of my kitchen.
Counters near my Hearth. And so maintaining a Altar for
her. Anything.
I think the process of renovating the kitchen and
creating a beautiful space that I can worship her.
In is I think meaningful. It's beautiful.
Yeah. I'm like, she loves a nice
kitchen. She's into the don't want all.
And yeah, I mean that altered to is going to be, you know, it's
going to have things on it that have association with her like
citrine and Some that they lean. She was really going for to have
tails but more and another way that I just recently kind of
started to give her some offer is through praise is like
creating songs around her and her regular.
I won't punish Everyone by singing it but it creating a
chance for me. Chanting is something that helps
me get into a meditative Native state and so doing this, while
walking for instance, is a way that to the walk is the trigger
and the chanting is a form of praise.
And so it's a very easy thing for me to do that.
I think is quite meaningful being in a wooded isolated
Place. Singing a goddesses name out
loud. I think she's really into that.
I think. I think it's impressive and I
think it brings her to the art. So that is awesome.
No, I love that. I love that, I'm like picturing
you like wandering in the woods being very witchy.
Yeah, humming Hestia walking my dog.
Let's I am singing to Hestia, so it wasn't that cute but it was a
special I liked it nice. So so we've gone through, you
know, all of the definitions that we would use around daily
worship and, you know, different terms Talked about how we would
actually approach the gods and get to know them how we call on
them, how we worship them and kind of share their own
practices. Yeah, so thanks Danny.
Like I said again, for being so specific with your practice and
sharing, I think the specificity is really helpful to inspire
others, certainly inspires me. Yeah, yeah.
And so we will definitely pick up on this in the next episode
more about kind of the emotional side of this more about the
Little bit of the do's and don'ts more about the kind of
our thoughts on Didi worship, maybe a little bit of a deeper
level less of this like surface. How to what is level.
I'm more of like the what if and what will be?
But for this episode I think we can close it out.
What are you thinking? Yep, I'm feeling satisfied.
All right, so as always, which has blessed be and Be well, and
we'll follow up with you next episode.