1
00:00:13,190 --> 00:00:15,750
Welcome back to two real 
witches. 

2
00:00:16,030 --> 00:00:19,390
Hello, and blessed be I'm Oak. 
And I'm Danny. 

3
00:00:19,510 --> 00:00:21,670
We're just a couple of 
practicing witches seeking 

4
00:00:21,670 --> 00:00:25,110
initiation into a Gardenarian 
tradition of Wicca, every full 

5
00:00:25,110 --> 00:00:27,230
moon and New moon. 
We're discussing things we're 

6
00:00:27,230 --> 00:00:30,710
learning and researching. 
Sharing magical discourse. 

7
00:00:31,550 --> 00:00:33,910
And hold space for other witches
to do the same. 

8
00:00:34,460 --> 00:00:37,820
We're two real witches shooting 
the shit and nerding out on 

9
00:00:37,820 --> 00:00:40,340
magical topics. 
So if you're into the occult, 

10
00:00:40,340 --> 00:00:43,460
the esoteric, or the 
otherworldly, come hang out with

11
00:00:43,540 --> 00:00:45,620
us in the liminal space of 
Sound. 

12
00:00:47,460 --> 00:00:49,740
In today's episode, we're going 
to take a trip through the Blue 

13
00:00:49,740 --> 00:00:53,220
Ridge Mountains, slash the 
Appalachian Mountains, learning 

14
00:00:53,220 --> 00:00:57,020
about Appalachian folk magic 
from both my experience and kind

15
00:00:57,020 --> 00:01:01,100
of the agglamation of resources 
out there that approach this 

16
00:01:01,100 --> 00:01:03,700
topic from their regional areas,
so. 

17
00:01:04,379 --> 00:01:06,660
Go ahead and put on your hiking 
boots and and let's find our 

18
00:01:06,660 --> 00:01:09,780
roots. 
So why are we talking about this

19
00:01:09,780 --> 00:01:13,420
today? 
Again, kind of as Oak and I are 

20
00:01:13,460 --> 00:01:17,940
exploring topics and kind of 
getting more familiar with 

21
00:01:17,940 --> 00:01:19,260
things that are interesting to 
us. 

22
00:01:19,260 --> 00:01:21,500
This is very near and dear to my
heart. 

23
00:01:22,020 --> 00:01:26,020
My family is from the Blue Ridge
Mountains up kind of in the 

24
00:01:26,020 --> 00:01:29,340
Virginia, West Virginia border. 
And so this is something I've 

25
00:01:29,340 --> 00:01:32,380
kind of experienced throughout 
my life and probably didn't 

26
00:01:32,380 --> 00:01:36,060
realize until. 
I was maybe a teenager that 

27
00:01:36,420 --> 00:01:40,020
these are not things other 
families and people are doing. 

28
00:01:40,860 --> 00:01:44,300
And so this is kind of just been
one of those things that is 

29
00:01:44,900 --> 00:01:48,860
really important to me and an 
important to kind of keep alive.

30
00:01:49,300 --> 00:01:52,220
Because so much is it of it, as 
we'll talk about later is kind 

31
00:01:52,220 --> 00:01:56,100
of falling by the wayside as 
time goes on and so wanting to 

32
00:01:56,420 --> 00:01:59,060
to really fledge that out and 
kind of keep these practices 

33
00:01:59,060 --> 00:02:02,160
alive. 
And then, as far as my 

34
00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,680
qualifications, let's give the 
disclaimer, Okay. 

35
00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:07,120
I love that. 
Wait, let me let me disclaim 

36
00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,520
your disclaimer. 
I. 

37
00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:15,560
I just want to point out that 
there's, I think, a common 

38
00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,440
feeling that I have when I try 
to talk about any topic that I 

39
00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,160
actually feel like I know 
something about, whether that's 

40
00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,440
experiential or because I've 
researched the topic. 

41
00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,920
I think it's very easy for me to
shy away from sharing what I 

42
00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:35,600
know because I don't maybe have 
the botifications to say that 

43
00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,800
I'm an expert. 
Or maybe I think we sometimes 

44
00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,080
feel like we have to be an 
expert in order to share 

45
00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,400
information. 
I don't know if that's just 

46
00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:48,280
because, you know, we lack the 
white male confidence. 100%. 

47
00:02:49,010 --> 00:02:51,930
Absolutely. 
So Danny, I'm really excited for

48
00:02:51,930 --> 00:02:54,850
you to talk about this and I 
think you're absolutely 

49
00:02:54,850 --> 00:02:59,530
qualified based in the fact that
this is years of you 

50
00:02:59,530 --> 00:03:05,010
experiencing it firsthand. 
Also this is something that you 

51
00:03:05,010 --> 00:03:09,290
have, you know, researched, 
found books, spent time thinking

52
00:03:09,290 --> 00:03:12,410
about discussing challenging. 
So I'm really excited for you to

53
00:03:12,410 --> 00:03:16,490
talk about it and I think you're
absolutely qualified, at least 

54
00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:20,190
in, yeah, like this very casual 
podcast formula. 

55
00:03:20,190 --> 00:03:23,150
You're not trying to write a 
book and just regurgitate things

56
00:03:23,150 --> 00:03:24,670
that other people have 
researched. 

57
00:03:25,310 --> 00:03:28,670
So let me just hype you up and 
say I'm very excited to hear 

58
00:03:28,670 --> 00:03:30,710
what you're. 
Such a good hype woman. 

59
00:03:31,110 --> 00:03:33,390
Yes. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

60
00:03:34,070 --> 00:03:35,310
Yeah. 
I mean, I'm really just 

61
00:03:35,310 --> 00:03:38,470
scratching the surface here and 
really sharing things that 

62
00:03:38,990 --> 00:03:42,270
either I know firsthand or that 
when I read about them, I was 

63
00:03:42,270 --> 00:03:44,150
like, oh, yeah, that that lines 
up. 

64
00:03:44,150 --> 00:03:47,630
That makes a lot of sense. 
But Appalachia is also 

65
00:03:47,710 --> 00:03:50,310
humongous. 
I mean it's it's stretching from

66
00:03:50,310 --> 00:03:54,310
way up high to way down low. 
So there are definitely things 

67
00:03:54,310 --> 00:03:57,670
that are converse to what I 
know, definitely things that are

68
00:03:58,030 --> 00:04:00,590
very different than what I've 
experienced. 

69
00:04:00,590 --> 00:04:04,270
And so if you're listening to 
this and you're like this is 

70
00:04:04,270 --> 00:04:06,150
completely different from what 
I'm used to, if you're from 

71
00:04:06,150 --> 00:04:09,430
Mississippi, you have a very 
different experience and that's 

72
00:04:09,430 --> 00:04:11,510
super cool. 
Would love to hear about it, but

73
00:04:11,510 --> 00:04:13,030
you're probably not going to 
hear about it here. 

74
00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,960
Fair. 
I think that's very fair to say.

75
00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:24,000
But before we get into that, 
what you up to, Oak? 

76
00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,400
Tell me what's going on with 
you? 

77
00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,600
What are you doing? 
Well, thanks for asking. 

78
00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,520
Yeah, well, I think we have 
spent almost every weekend 

79
00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:41,230
together for the last couple of 
weekends, so I think I'm just 

80
00:04:41,230 --> 00:04:43,270
living my best magical life with
you. 

81
00:04:43,910 --> 00:04:48,590
Most recently, we attended what 
seems to be the second annual 

82
00:04:49,310 --> 00:04:58,870
Magic Summerfest in Orlando, FL,
and we spent two days taking 

83
00:04:58,870 --> 00:05:03,660
information, signed things we 
said we wouldn't buy for the 

84
00:05:03,660 --> 00:05:07,820
last episode. 
But, you know, mostly taking in 

85
00:05:07,820 --> 00:05:09,500
information. 
I think we, I think we both 

86
00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:12,300
showed restraint. 
Yeah. 

87
00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:15,460
So tell me about, you know, what
were your biggest takeaways? 

88
00:05:15,460 --> 00:05:17,420
Obviously we could spend the 
whole podcast kind of 

89
00:05:17,420 --> 00:05:21,460
highlighting our experiences and
giving like best practices or 

90
00:05:21,460 --> 00:05:26,220
maybe things that we've done 
like awkwardly leave a session 

91
00:05:26,220 --> 00:05:30,120
that wasn't vibing with you and 
letting the door slam that was 

92
00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,240
so awkward. 
It felt so bad. 

93
00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,480
Yeah, yeah. 
Oh my gosh. 

94
00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,240
I don't know, but other than 
that. 

95
00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,520
Explore that. 
That was my low light. 

96
00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:42,520
So what are your highlights? 
So I think there were, I think 

97
00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,640
we both got like different 
things out of it, which was 

98
00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,640
great. 
It's really nice when a bunch of

99
00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,400
different people can come 
together and like really like 

100
00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,120
handpick, like what really spoke
to them made a lot of sense for 

101
00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,270
me. 
We had an Ancestral Healing 

102
00:05:56,590 --> 00:05:59,190
group that was actually really 
great for me. 

103
00:05:59,190 --> 00:06:01,390
I got some really good 
highlights from that that I 

104
00:06:01,390 --> 00:06:06,670
think will hopefully bring a lot
of peace to my grandmother and 

105
00:06:06,670 --> 00:06:10,630
approached it in a different way
that I'm not sure I would have 

106
00:06:10,630 --> 00:06:14,470
come across kind of on my own. 
So really appreciated that. 

107
00:06:14,470 --> 00:06:17,910
And then also from Stacy 
Williams in. 

108
00:06:18,430 --> 00:06:21,150
I think that's the correct 
pronunciation of her second last

109
00:06:21,150 --> 00:06:24,670
name, but. 
She really had something to say 

110
00:06:24,670 --> 00:06:28,950
about iconography and things 
that your ancestors would and 

111
00:06:28,950 --> 00:06:33,710
wouldn't know and talking about.
If you are looking to connect 

112
00:06:33,710 --> 00:06:37,590
with your ancestors, probably 
using tarot isn't your best bet.

113
00:06:37,590 --> 00:06:39,750
Especially for talking like the 
Ryderweight Smith deck. 

114
00:06:40,390 --> 00:06:44,390
Probably not your best bet 
because they didn't study that. 

115
00:06:44,390 --> 00:06:47,110
Probably they they don't have 
like the knowledge of what those

116
00:06:47,110 --> 00:06:49,930
cards mean. 
So maybe choosing decks or 

117
00:06:49,930 --> 00:06:53,330
choosing methods that are 
familiar to them have have 

118
00:06:53,330 --> 00:06:59,050
familiar pictures or iconography
that they can more accurately 

119
00:06:59,050 --> 00:07:02,730
kind of commune with you. 
It is better, so I did not 

120
00:07:02,770 --> 00:07:04,570
attend. 
That a little later, yeah, I did

121
00:07:04,570 --> 00:07:07,970
not attend that session, so. 
It was so good. 

122
00:07:07,970 --> 00:07:10,650
She was so great. 
She's a graphic designer and 

123
00:07:10,650 --> 00:07:13,850
just had a lot of really. 
She wasn't really just trying 

124
00:07:13,850 --> 00:07:15,930
to, like, push her product. 
She really was trying to, like, 

125
00:07:15,930 --> 00:07:19,260
talk to us about. 
Like what makes an alphabet 

126
00:07:19,260 --> 00:07:23,900
versus what makes a pictorial 
alphabet versus, you know, all 

127
00:07:23,900 --> 00:07:27,620
of those things that, as someone
not inside of the graphic design

128
00:07:27,620 --> 00:07:29,060
field, was super interesting to 
me. 

129
00:07:29,300 --> 00:07:31,500
Love that. 
Yeah, what about you? 

130
00:07:31,500 --> 00:07:33,700
I know you had some some really 
fun things. 

131
00:07:34,540 --> 00:07:40,140
Yes, there were a couple of 
sessions that I think we're 

132
00:07:40,140 --> 00:07:43,820
bringing up some novel ideas for
me. 

133
00:07:44,980 --> 00:07:49,610
The one that I think was most 
aligned to my current interest 

134
00:07:49,610 --> 00:07:54,690
and maybe gave me some some new 
ideas was the Thelima and 

135
00:07:54,690 --> 00:07:58,650
Gardnerian Witchcraft Workshop. 
It was a a working relationship 

136
00:07:58,650 --> 00:08:04,090
was the subtitle and that was by
Joanne McCombs and she is also 

137
00:08:04,370 --> 00:08:07,570
based out of Florida. 
This is obviously a Florida 

138
00:08:07,570 --> 00:08:09,210
event so mostly Florida 
presenters. 

139
00:08:09,690 --> 00:08:13,410
So it was really cool for me to 
hear about the Thelima kind of 

140
00:08:13,410 --> 00:08:16,710
overlaps and how she has 
integrated the Lima and the 

141
00:08:16,710 --> 00:08:18,590
Gardenarian practice. 
I don't know if she really kind 

142
00:08:18,590 --> 00:08:23,750
of went into her personal 
approaches and how she I don't 

143
00:08:23,750 --> 00:08:25,990
think there's any integration. 
I think she just like practices 

144
00:08:25,990 --> 00:08:28,310
those things side by side. 
But she did a good job, I think,

145
00:08:28,990 --> 00:08:32,390
having a comparative analysis of
the two and showing the 

146
00:08:32,390 --> 00:08:34,950
similarities and showing 
potentially the differences. 

147
00:08:35,309 --> 00:08:40,950
And you know, I know about the 
OTOI know Golden Dawn. 

148
00:08:40,950 --> 00:08:43,210
I haven't. 
I've gone too deep in my 

149
00:08:43,210 --> 00:08:46,250
research about those topics, 
although it is becoming more and

150
00:08:46,250 --> 00:08:48,770
more interesting to me as I 
learn more about ceremonial 

151
00:08:48,770 --> 00:08:53,210
witchcraft. 
But it was interesting to hear 

152
00:08:53,210 --> 00:08:55,250
about the differences. 
I think she did a good job 

153
00:08:55,250 --> 00:08:59,620
presenting. 
She's a teacher by day of little

154
00:08:59,620 --> 00:09:00,740
humans. 
I think she said little 

155
00:09:00,740 --> 00:09:02,340
gangsters, which I thought was 
amazing. 

156
00:09:02,340 --> 00:09:07,140
Yeah, Yeah. 
So she clearly is really great 

157
00:09:07,140 --> 00:09:09,740
at presenting. 
I would absolutely give feedback

158
00:09:10,180 --> 00:09:15,180
to the organizers of the event 
that she was a highlight. 

159
00:09:15,180 --> 00:09:18,820
So that was really great. 
We both attended the Astrology 

160
00:09:18,820 --> 00:09:24,380
Workshop by Joseph. 
He goes by Stars by Joseph on 

161
00:09:24,380 --> 00:09:27,220
Instagram. 
We can link him as well in our 

162
00:09:27,220 --> 00:09:31,580
show notes, and I got a couple 
of novel ideas out of that. 

163
00:09:31,580 --> 00:09:34,460
I I think you know astrology so 
interesting because it's like I 

164
00:09:34,460 --> 00:09:37,500
probably could have heard those 
same ideas previously, but I 

165
00:09:37,500 --> 00:09:40,220
just wasn't ready to integrate 
the information. 

166
00:09:40,220 --> 00:09:43,660
Or maybe like, I didn't even 
know what they were talking 

167
00:09:43,660 --> 00:09:46,260
about. 
But so being able to hear things

168
00:09:46,260 --> 00:09:52,190
like houses are reflections of 
each other across, you know, 

169
00:09:52,190 --> 00:09:55,430
across from each other. 
So they're kind of the 

170
00:09:55,430 --> 00:09:56,910
opposites, but the same like 
those were. 

171
00:09:56,950 --> 00:10:01,030
There's some a couple of novel 
ideas around transits and chart 

172
00:10:01,030 --> 00:10:03,270
interpretation that I really 
appreciate hearing. 

173
00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:07,950
And I just was like loving how 
he was presenting information. 

174
00:10:07,950 --> 00:10:12,470
And not just like a love and 
light way, but like a oh girl 

175
00:10:12,710 --> 00:10:16,470
that's going to happen or like. 
Oh, you had something great. 

176
00:10:16,470 --> 00:10:19,590
You know, like actually having. 
I know that bedside banner is 

177
00:10:19,590 --> 00:10:23,000
something that's really a 
sensitive topic in astrology. 

178
00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,880
And I have in I've had 
interactions with astrologers 

179
00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,120
where I'm like, will you just 
tell me what's happening? 

180
00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,480
Because I feel like you're not 
actually telling me what's 

181
00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:34,600
happening. 
I feel like you're afraid to 

182
00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,920
tell me, which makes it even 
worse, you know, they're like, 

183
00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,520
well, this time could be a real 
wild card. 

184
00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:41,920
I'm like, what the fuck does 
that mean? 

185
00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,480
What do you mean, wild card? 
So I appreciated he had for me 

186
00:10:47,310 --> 00:10:51,750
the right amount of edge and 
shadow and real talk. 

187
00:10:52,030 --> 00:10:55,470
So I really liked his his style 
and and to be totally frank, I 

188
00:10:55,470 --> 00:10:59,110
just haven't heard that many 
people go through like many 

189
00:10:59,110 --> 00:11:02,230
readings and seeing their chart.
So I thought that was really 

190
00:11:02,230 --> 00:11:04,350
interesting. 
Now that I do have more 

191
00:11:04,870 --> 00:11:08,430
information and base knowledge 
and familiarity with all of 

192
00:11:08,430 --> 00:11:11,590
these terms, I could really 
follow along and understand and 

193
00:11:11,590 --> 00:11:14,970
see how he's thinking about 
things differently than I am. 

194
00:11:14,970 --> 00:11:17,130
So, yeah, thoroughly enjoyed 
that. 

195
00:11:20,570 --> 00:11:23,130
And yeah, I think, I mean, those
are the big highlights for me. 

196
00:11:23,690 --> 00:11:25,530
We could go, like I said, we 
could keep going here. 

197
00:11:25,530 --> 00:11:28,970
But Danny, tell me, let's 
transition into our fire 

198
00:11:29,010 --> 00:11:31,050
updates. 
What are you? 

199
00:11:31,530 --> 00:11:34,570
What irons do you have burning 
in your fire? 

200
00:11:35,130 --> 00:11:37,130
Or coming up on the summer 
solstice. 

201
00:11:37,130 --> 00:11:41,530
So I'm starting to kind of. 
Craft the ideas for my oil. 

202
00:11:41,770 --> 00:11:43,930
Summer's always like one of 
those harder times for me to 

203
00:11:43,930 --> 00:11:47,850
like pick a theme because 
there's so many themes kind of 

204
00:11:47,850 --> 00:11:49,250
going on. 
It's like the height of all the 

205
00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:51,250
things, right. 
It's the height of all the the 

206
00:11:51,250 --> 00:11:53,250
berries and the the things and 
the like. 

207
00:11:53,250 --> 00:11:57,370
So much is going on where like 
may I feel like it's very, you 

208
00:11:57,370 --> 00:12:00,490
know, Beltane, levee, right. 
All the things are coming to be 

209
00:12:00,690 --> 00:12:04,250
and then August like height is 
summer is very like. 

210
00:12:04,930 --> 00:12:08,250
Everything's coming to fruition,
but this is like that in between

211
00:12:08,250 --> 00:12:10,170
growing time where I feel like 
it's really hard to like make a 

212
00:12:10,170 --> 00:12:13,490
cent for that. 
So I'm kind of working on 

213
00:12:13,490 --> 00:12:16,810
crafting that and then getting 
ready to do my next wine. 

214
00:12:17,130 --> 00:12:20,530
So love it. 
Sticking with your consistency, 

215
00:12:21,210 --> 00:12:26,810
you're being consistent. 
With consistency, I am in the 

216
00:12:26,810 --> 00:12:29,410
throes of a little craft project
myself. 

217
00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,680
I am making astrology board and 
astrology. 

218
00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:36,040
Board I'm so excited. 
I need to know more about this. 

219
00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,160
I'm very excited. 
So there's a couple of different

220
00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,080
versions. 
I'll put a link in the show 

221
00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:45,520
notes here of an Etsy shop and 
them selling it, and essentially

222
00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:52,970
a Zodiac representation is 
placed on a board and it really 

223
00:12:52,970 --> 00:12:56,410
cannot unless it has kind of 
like a buy wheel that spins on 

224
00:12:56,410 --> 00:12:59,850
the outside and changes shape. 
It really couldn't represent 

225
00:12:59,850 --> 00:13:04,410
like your houses necessarily, 
but what is astrology boards are

226
00:13:04,410 --> 00:13:09,370
generally used for is just in a 
more 3D way articulating the 

227
00:13:09,370 --> 00:13:13,210
placements of the planets in 
their zodiacal placement. 

228
00:13:13,890 --> 00:13:17,770
And so one way would be to, as 
you're doing it, consultation 

229
00:13:17,770 --> 00:13:20,660
for another person. 
You know, being able to 

230
00:13:20,660 --> 00:13:28,620
physically hold a rock or a disc
of wood that has, you know, the 

231
00:13:28,620 --> 00:13:30,660
sign for that planet. 
Like being able to actually 

232
00:13:30,660 --> 00:13:34,660
place that on a wheel and show 
them, I don't know, there's 

233
00:13:34,660 --> 00:13:38,220
something more tactile and 
easier to understand for me. 

234
00:13:38,220 --> 00:13:41,620
I'm going to be using it because
I'm not doing readings for 

235
00:13:41,620 --> 00:13:46,110
people, because that would be 
irresponsible and actually just 

236
00:13:46,110 --> 00:13:49,710
really boring. 
But for me, I'm going to be 

237
00:13:49,710 --> 00:13:54,630
using it to just mirror the 
transits that are currently 

238
00:13:54,630 --> 00:13:57,790
happening and represent where 
planets currently are, just so I

239
00:13:57,790 --> 00:14:00,790
have a deeper connection to 
that, like on a daily basis. 

240
00:14:00,990 --> 00:14:02,550
Not that they change on a daily 
basis. 

241
00:14:02,550 --> 00:14:07,670
Some of them do, But yeah. 
And I, and I think this is going

242
00:14:07,670 --> 00:14:12,430
to just help me continue to 
build my familiarity with the 

243
00:14:13,580 --> 00:14:15,260
order of the Zodiac. 
I mean, there's so much to 

244
00:14:15,380 --> 00:14:17,420
memorize when it comes to 
astrology, right? 

245
00:14:17,420 --> 00:14:20,500
So there's some things I'm like,
oh, wait, what comes after 

246
00:14:20,780 --> 00:14:23,180
Capricorn? 
You know, So just having in a 

247
00:14:23,180 --> 00:14:27,820
physical tool that helps me 
build my familiarity, I think 

248
00:14:27,820 --> 00:14:29,940
I'm, I'm really excited about 
and it's literally just going to

249
00:14:29,940 --> 00:14:31,140
be like, I mean, I can show you 
here. 

250
00:14:31,140 --> 00:14:35,060
It's like a disk of wood that's 
like 12 inches. 

251
00:14:35,060 --> 00:14:39,060
I just got this like off in a 
craft store and then I painted 

252
00:14:39,060 --> 00:14:39,740
it. 
Isn't it cute? 

253
00:14:39,780 --> 00:14:42,300
I painted it black. 
And then I created this kind of 

254
00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:46,700
like little acrylic paint on top
of that to kind of create these 

255
00:14:46,700 --> 00:14:52,180
like, nebulous forms. 
And then I'm going to go through

256
00:14:52,180 --> 00:14:57,280
and make the little pie charts, 
Zodiac placements and kind of 

257
00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:02,240
use like little white paint pens
to like draw out that Zodiac, 

258
00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,080
the major kind of stars that 
make up that Zodiac. 

259
00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:11,680
And then this black paint that I
put on the actual wood itself is

260
00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,400
magnetic cool. 
And this is an inspiration that 

261
00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,600
I got from this other content 
creator. 

262
00:15:18,770 --> 00:15:21,170
I'm forgetting her name, and I 
definitely will bring it up when

263
00:15:21,170 --> 00:15:26,250
I go into my presentation on 
astrology, because she's super 

264
00:15:26,250 --> 00:15:28,930
cool. 
But I have these little magnets 

265
00:15:29,130 --> 00:15:32,650
and so I'm going to put on the 
bottom of my planets, which are 

266
00:15:32,650 --> 00:15:35,130
going to be different crystal 
orbs. 

267
00:15:35,910 --> 00:15:38,110
I'm going to put this on the 
bottom of them so that can like 

268
00:15:38,150 --> 00:15:41,110
actually stick to the board and 
not move around so much and not.

269
00:15:41,110 --> 00:15:42,270
Like, roll off. 
It's brilliant. 

270
00:15:42,310 --> 00:15:43,510
Yeah. 
I mean, it's her. 

271
00:15:43,510 --> 00:15:44,990
I just stole it off of her. 
I'm just ripping her off. 

272
00:15:44,990 --> 00:15:47,950
So I'll definitely. 
No, but they're brilliant, 

273
00:15:47,950 --> 00:15:49,950
whoever they are. 
That was brilliant because in my

274
00:15:49,950 --> 00:15:52,830
mind I was like, how are you 
going to do the like move? 

275
00:15:52,830 --> 00:15:55,270
Are you going to make little 
notches for to sit in or like 

276
00:15:55,790 --> 00:15:57,550
how that's so smart? 
Yeah, that is so smart. 

277
00:15:57,550 --> 00:15:59,590
Magnetic paint. 
We're living in the future. 

278
00:16:00,070 --> 00:16:03,770
What is happening other than 
that? 

279
00:16:03,770 --> 00:16:05,570
Yeah. 
I mean that's that's really, I 

280
00:16:05,570 --> 00:16:08,930
mean with all the other things 
that we have going on within our

281
00:16:08,930 --> 00:16:11,370
outer court that's all I'm 
doing. 

282
00:16:12,370 --> 00:16:13,490
How are you feeling? 
What are you up to? 

283
00:16:13,490 --> 00:16:16,050
Are you overwhelmed by the by 
the amount of things that we're 

284
00:16:16,050 --> 00:16:22,410
doing in our in our occult life 
and and this is a busy time work

285
00:16:22,410 --> 00:16:23,050
wise, right. 
Yeah. 

286
00:16:23,890 --> 00:16:28,810
Yeah, well, I feel like the 
universe was like, okay, listen.

287
00:16:30,110 --> 00:16:31,990
She's not going to be able to 
enjoy all the things that are 

288
00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:36,230
going on if we don't pump the 
brakes on something because we 

289
00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:40,870
had a major setback at work that
I am so happy about and I'm 

290
00:16:40,870 --> 00:16:43,390
trying to like contain my 
excitement. 

291
00:16:43,390 --> 00:16:45,550
They're definitely huge 
drawbacks to it, but I'm trying 

292
00:16:45,550 --> 00:16:49,710
to contain my excitement because
it kind of gave me like an extra

293
00:16:49,710 --> 00:16:53,630
month or so to play with and it 
is giving me all the time that I

294
00:16:53,630 --> 00:16:57,430
need to like really focus on 
being present and not just 

295
00:16:57,430 --> 00:17:00,400
constantly on or like. 
Planning the next thing or 

296
00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,800
thinking about the next thing I 
can really like. 

297
00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,520
Like this weekend was probably 
the first time. 

298
00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:10,400
I haven't taken my work phone 
with me everywhere in, I don't 

299
00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,800
know, maybe since December. 
So I I literally left it at home

300
00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,560
while we went to Summer Magic 
Fest and just let it be. 

301
00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,119
And nobody was constantly like 
following up with me. 

302
00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,599
It was glorious. 
I came home anticipating that, 

303
00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:26,300
like. 
I was going to have to play an 

304
00:17:26,300 --> 00:17:29,220
hour playing catch up with 
everybody and everything and I 

305
00:17:29,220 --> 00:17:31,100
really just had to like follow 
up on some emails. 

306
00:17:31,140 --> 00:17:33,580
It was amazing. 
That's that's awesome. 

307
00:17:33,620 --> 00:17:36,020
And I'm sure it's actually going
to be better in the long run for

308
00:17:36,020 --> 00:17:40,140
the business for that pick up. 
So it's not, I'm sure you're not

309
00:17:40,140 --> 00:17:42,260
just being selfish. 
I'm sure there's also business 

310
00:17:43,300 --> 00:17:46,180
benefits to that slow down for 
sure. 

311
00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:50,620
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean, with our water updates, 

312
00:17:52,340 --> 00:17:59,740
I am dealing with some family 
drama where I am unexpectedly 

313
00:18:00,660 --> 00:18:04,860
having to financially have some 
burden that I wasn't expecting. 

314
00:18:04,860 --> 00:18:07,060
And you know, I'm processing 
that. 

315
00:18:07,060 --> 00:18:12,540
I think that this has a lot to 
do with my Chiron placement. 

316
00:18:12,820 --> 00:18:19,390
And so it's really for me, 
honestly, I have been dealing 

317
00:18:19,390 --> 00:18:24,150
with the stress using, you know,
meditation, and that's been 

318
00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:27,670
really useful to help me gain 
perspective, to not be reactive 

319
00:18:27,950 --> 00:18:31,830
but define the lessons and the 
meanings and the situation. 

320
00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:38,050
I'll give you an example so I, 
you know, at work, I'm, I love 

321
00:18:38,050 --> 00:18:40,130
my job. 
I really love the work that I 

322
00:18:40,130 --> 00:18:42,650
do. 
But I'm such like a Scorpio, 

323
00:18:42,650 --> 00:18:45,970
likes, like not Sabotager. 
But like I reinvent myself so 

324
00:18:45,970 --> 00:18:48,010
often that I'm like, OK, what's 
next? 

325
00:18:48,010 --> 00:18:49,650
What's next? 
Am I supposed to be doing this 

326
00:18:49,650 --> 00:18:53,720
job or should I just like, go 
leave this job and and focus 

327
00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,400
full time on being an astrologer
to then make money that way, 

328
00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,080
Right. 
Like, I don't know, like I'm 

329
00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,760
just, you know, I'm so like down
for whatever and like 

330
00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,320
reinventing myself. 
And so I had been at this kind 

331
00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,720
of place where I'm like, do I, 
you know, keep committing and 

332
00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,600
keep focusing on making money or
not? 

333
00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,520
And when this thing presented 
itself and it was like, Oh yeah,

334
00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,870
bitch. 
Like we need you to make money 

335
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:19,470
and you need to be the, you 
know, help people financially. 

336
00:19:19,470 --> 00:19:21,870
Like it gave me clarity around 
like, got got it. 

337
00:19:21,870 --> 00:19:24,230
Cool Okay. 
So I don't have to wonder if I'm

338
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:26,990
supposed to be doing something 
else with my life if I'm not, 

339
00:19:26,990 --> 00:19:31,270
you know, following my will, so 
to speak, because this gave me 

340
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:32,550
clarity. 
So, you know, just finding like 

341
00:19:32,550 --> 00:19:35,910
the lessons in that and then 
also leveraging astrology to 

342
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,080
again find the lessons, find the
messages that should be clear to

343
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,440
me, give me some guidance around
when things may be more intense 

344
00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,760
or less intense. 
But yeah, I mean, I'm going 

345
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,880
through it in a way that I had 
not expected. 

346
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,600
So yeah, so I'm. 
I'm feeling I'm in my feelings. 

347
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,160
Yeah, which is totally fine I it
is one of the things I really 

348
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,160
appreciate, like most people 
would be afraid of like 

349
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:08,520
reinventing themselves or like. 
Giving up something that for a 

350
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,160
period of time has held so much 
importance to them. 

351
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,200
And that is one of the things I 
appreciate so much about you is 

352
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,880
like, yeah, no, I'm just going 
to jump in feet first into 

353
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,640
something that may or may not 
work out. 

354
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,040
We'll kind of see how it goes. 
And I, I feel like you're 

355
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,560
getting that that itch to like 
jump to the next thing. 

356
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,960
And the universe was like, wait 
a whole second, just maybe take 

357
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,040
a breath, Let's, let's 
recalibrate and think about this

358
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:31,960
for a minute. 
Yeah. 

359
00:20:34,060 --> 00:20:35,940
You know I'm, I'm glad to have 
clarity. 

360
00:20:35,940 --> 00:20:39,660
So thanks for seeing me Danny. 
I appreciate you. 

361
00:20:39,660 --> 00:20:42,460
All right. 
And then jumping into earth 

362
00:20:42,460 --> 00:20:49,900
stuff challenges and purchases. 
So also Stacy Williams Inc just 

363
00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:54,020
really she makes an Oracle deck.
I've never been a big Oracle 

364
00:20:54,020 --> 00:20:54,740
deck person. 
Right. 

365
00:20:54,740 --> 00:20:56,020
And she could totally called us 
on that. 

366
00:20:56,260 --> 00:20:57,900
She's like, a lot of people are 
like, I don't really like or the

367
00:20:57,900 --> 00:21:00,260
cool decks because they're like 
so love and light and whatever. 

368
00:21:00,260 --> 00:21:02,750
And she's like, but it's kind of
like when people say to me like,

369
00:21:02,790 --> 00:21:05,830
oh, I can't do art, they're 
like, she's like, OK, did you 

370
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:08,030
just try like drawing or have 
you tried painting? 

371
00:21:08,030 --> 00:21:09,310
Have you tried sculpting? 
Have you tried? 

372
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:11,710
She was like, there are that 
many kinds of Oracle decks out 

373
00:21:11,710 --> 00:21:14,190
there. 
And so I'm really inspired by 

374
00:21:14,670 --> 00:21:16,550
what she was talking about. 
I started looking at Oracle 

375
00:21:16,550 --> 00:21:20,680
decks and she actually helped 
Cocreate 1 on the Southern 

376
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,600
Gothic Oracle that has a lot of 
iconography that is very 

377
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,520
familiar to my family and so 
I've I've decided I'm going to 

378
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,640
take that on as like a a means 
of communing with ancestors as 

379
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,800
opposed to like trying to use 
methods that just haven't been 

380
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,240
super great for me, trying to 
use tarot or trying to use 

381
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,240
something else like that and 
just struggling. 

382
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:48,520
So I have purchased that. 
I also purchased another damn 

383
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:49,680
book. 
That damn book. 

384
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,160
I mean, I said it was going to 
happen, so it's not as if, like 

385
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,560
I told you so, but like you, 
girl, give yourself grace at 

386
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,320
this point. 
Don't judge yourself. 23 is not 

387
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,920
24 is not that many. 
Well, it's still 23. 

388
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,600
I did read one of them. 
So yeah. 

389
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,200
So I'm really just back to where
I'm back to baseline, which is 

390
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,480
totally fine. 
Yeah. 

391
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,720
What if we're like a one in, one
out kind of place? 

392
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,040
What? 
What if that's where you're at 

393
00:22:18,660 --> 00:22:21,340
and and I guess we'll see. 
I guess we'll see if I actually 

394
00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:23,620
make the headway. 
Because the other problem is 

395
00:22:23,620 --> 00:22:26,860
like as time goes on new things 
become important. 

396
00:22:26,940 --> 00:22:29,660
Pick up different books and I'm 
like, oh, I have to read this by

397
00:22:29,660 --> 00:22:33,380
X deadline. 
So you know it's it's finding 

398
00:22:33,380 --> 00:22:35,580
the time to make these books 
that I have put on the back 

399
00:22:35,580 --> 00:22:36,980
burner. 
Not because they're not great. 

400
00:22:36,980 --> 00:22:41,700
They just haven't been kind of 
front of mine for me making the 

401
00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:44,620
time for those so. 
OK, I thought of a very be a 

402
00:22:44,620 --> 00:22:46,820
lucky number. 
I thought of a very good excuse.

403
00:22:46,860 --> 00:22:49,210
Tell me. 
What if all these books get 

404
00:22:49,210 --> 00:22:53,690
banned? 
What if in our crazy DeSantis 

405
00:22:53,690 --> 00:22:59,530
future apocalyptic version of 
handmaidens tale, that seems to 

406
00:22:59,530 --> 00:23:04,130
be a option of our future? 
What if these books are banned 

407
00:23:04,130 --> 00:23:07,410
and so you're actually just 
creating this amazing occult 

408
00:23:07,410 --> 00:23:11,730
library that people are going to
ask you to borrow books and 

409
00:23:11,730 --> 00:23:13,690
stuff like that? 
Can you use that justification? 

410
00:23:13,690 --> 00:23:16,250
Does that feel good? 
I I accept that mission. 

411
00:23:16,450 --> 00:23:19,490
I I am volunteers tribute like I
will. 

412
00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:24,770
That's yes, That's what I'll do.
I only have approximately 

413
00:23:24,770 --> 00:23:28,930
another 150 books on my list to 
purchase before I can officially

414
00:23:28,930 --> 00:23:31,730
say I have completed my library.
But absolutely. 

415
00:23:32,010 --> 00:23:34,730
Listen, you're just going to be 
like the Library of Alexandria, 

416
00:23:34,770 --> 00:23:36,770
but you're not going to get 
burned down. 

417
00:23:36,970 --> 00:23:38,570
I love it. 
Thank you. 

418
00:23:38,730 --> 00:23:44,090
I appreciate that. 
I have been totally inspired by.

419
00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:48,540
The palmstone process that you 
were describing. 

420
00:23:48,540 --> 00:23:52,660
And so I purchased at the 
festival some palm stones, which

421
00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:55,100
I'm really excited about. 
I need to, you know, do some 

422
00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:59,060
cleansing, all that good stuff. 
But did you see me get these I 

423
00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:02,220
well is this the same place that
not to out you, but that you 

424
00:24:02,220 --> 00:24:03,780
went back to multiple days in a 
row? 

425
00:24:05,210 --> 00:24:07,490
Yes, but I didn't buy the first 
day Okay. 

426
00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:10,610
I was inventorying. 
My process is first take 

427
00:24:10,610 --> 00:24:14,930
inventory and then you're able 
to make decisions, Okay. 

428
00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:17,610
So no, I haven't seen the palm 
stones. 

429
00:24:17,610 --> 00:24:19,810
This is very this makes my heart
so happy. 

430
00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:22,890
So I got like this moth I get 
which is beautiful. 

431
00:24:22,890 --> 00:24:27,650
This is for I'm giving. 
This is giving me north vibes. 

432
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:32,570
So this is for my like 
directional N representation. 

433
00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:36,610
And then I have this lab, right,
which is I already connect to 

434
00:24:36,610 --> 00:24:42,050
like mental considerations and 
you know, meditations around 

435
00:24:42,050 --> 00:24:46,330
just the the mental aspects. 
And then I have read Jasper, 

436
00:24:46,330 --> 00:24:52,370
which I'm living for, for South.
And then yeah, just amethyst for

437
00:24:52,650 --> 00:24:54,090
Oh no, no shit, this is 
fluorite. 

438
00:24:54,130 --> 00:24:58,650
Just kidding. 
This is fluorite for the West. 

439
00:24:58,990 --> 00:25:04,350
So I'm excited to be inspired by
your palmstone meditations and 

440
00:25:04,350 --> 00:25:06,950
I'm going to, I'm going to give 
myself a little, a little try 

441
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:10,230
and that see, try out my hand. 
And that is that the same 

442
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:13,830
literally, I mean, they're palm 
stones, literally trying your 

443
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:16,310
hand. 
Try your hand out. 

444
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:18,590
That's what it is. 
Yeah, yeah. 

445
00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:21,950
And I also, you know, since I 
moved into this new house, I 

446
00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:24,670
haven't. 
Previously I had this. 

447
00:25:25,140 --> 00:25:28,940
Very crafty little tree that I 
would place ornaments on, like 

448
00:25:28,940 --> 00:25:32,020
the glass ornaments that you 
would see around, like on 

449
00:25:32,020 --> 00:25:35,300
Christmas. 
Trees that are like very cheesy.

450
00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:39,020
I had glass ornaments for each 
Sabbath and I would decorate the

451
00:25:39,020 --> 00:25:41,300
tree, you know, because it's 
like a skeleton of a tree. 

452
00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:44,580
And I had that set up at my last
house, but I have not yet gone 

453
00:25:44,580 --> 00:25:48,180
through all of my holiday decor 
and set it up yet. 

454
00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:52,530
So I. 
There was a lady that was 

455
00:25:52,530 --> 00:25:56,970
selling, like, Sabbat altar 
cloths. 

456
00:25:57,250 --> 00:26:01,090
And so I got a set of Sabbat 
altar cloths, like all eight of 

457
00:26:01,090 --> 00:26:03,050
them, and she's going to send 
them to me. 

458
00:26:03,050 --> 00:26:05,130
And because I didn't want to 
take all of her floor models, 

459
00:26:05,610 --> 00:26:07,730
whoops. 
And so she's going to send them 

460
00:26:07,730 --> 00:26:09,410
to me. 
And yeah, and I'm excited to get

461
00:26:09,410 --> 00:26:14,370
my altar, Sabbat altar set up 
with all of my. 

462
00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:18,620
Echo that I currently have and 
then adding a little new IT does

463
00:26:18,620 --> 00:26:22,500
say like Mabon and Ostara. 
I was thinking about messaging 

464
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:26,260
her and saying like, hey, can we
not because like Mabon's made-up

465
00:26:26,260 --> 00:26:28,780
and like Ustara was like, maybe 
I got it. 

466
00:26:28,780 --> 00:26:30,580
I feel strongly about this. 
Yeah. 

467
00:26:30,820 --> 00:26:33,940
It's why I have never bought a 
Wheel of the Year for that same 

468
00:26:33,940 --> 00:26:37,580
reason is because again, it's 
here or there. 

469
00:26:37,580 --> 00:26:42,710
I I don't that doesn't hold 
specific meaning to me, but I do

470
00:26:42,750 --> 00:26:45,950
prefer the other names for some 
of them and so I'm like. 

471
00:26:46,550 --> 00:26:49,830
Yeah, could could someone make 
me one with the names that I 

472
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:52,550
want on it? 
Can we just do Spring Equinox? 

473
00:26:52,550 --> 00:26:57,030
It's we don't need to make it 
like, yeah, star equinox is a 

474
00:26:57,030 --> 00:26:59,350
great word at hello. 
I like that one. 

475
00:26:59,550 --> 00:27:01,950
Well, we have to change that up.
Why am I saying equinox? 

476
00:27:02,670 --> 00:27:04,670
Yeah, it's equinox, Equinox. 
Equinox. 

477
00:27:04,750 --> 00:27:06,230
Yeah. 
Because solstice is the the 

478
00:27:06,550 --> 00:27:08,350
summer and winter. 
Yes. 

479
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:09,190
Equinox. 
Yes. 

480
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:10,630
OK, I get this. 
Make my lovely. 

481
00:27:11,060 --> 00:27:13,860
Dyslexia strikes again. 
Yeah. 

482
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:14,580
Cool. 
All right. 

483
00:27:14,580 --> 00:27:17,260
Well, see, I think we did good. 
I don't think we spent too much.

484
00:27:17,260 --> 00:27:20,180
I don't think we did too many 
consumering behaviors. 

485
00:27:20,860 --> 00:27:24,540
We spent way more on food, which
hey, in my opinion was 

486
00:27:24,540 --> 00:27:25,620
necessary. 
Hell yeah. 

487
00:27:25,660 --> 00:27:28,060
Hell yeah. 
We had a really lovely dinner at

488
00:27:28,660 --> 00:27:31,500
A at Tori Tori. 
I don't know if anybody's in 

489
00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:32,860
Orlando. 
They should go there. 

490
00:27:32,860 --> 00:27:35,100
It's Tori. 
Tori. 

491
00:27:35,540 --> 00:27:38,460
They had some Michelin like 
recognition on the on the front.

492
00:27:38,980 --> 00:27:41,540
Yeah, it was, it was great. 
Great cocktails. 

493
00:27:41,820 --> 00:27:46,260
There was a lot of gluten free 
options for you, Danny, and that

494
00:27:46,260 --> 00:27:48,500
was glorious because I never 
really, really know what I'm 

495
00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:51,780
walking into unless like someone
has their like menu really 

496
00:27:51,780 --> 00:27:56,100
clear, really posted online. 
And so it was so nice just to be

497
00:27:56,100 --> 00:28:00,500
able to kind of like pick really
from pretty limitless options, 

498
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:03,060
which is great. 
Yeah, and it was Asian too. 

499
00:28:03,060 --> 00:28:05,930
So you're. 
The fact that there wasn't soy 

500
00:28:05,930 --> 00:28:08,970
and everything because it's like
tapas style Asian stuff. 

501
00:28:09,010 --> 00:28:10,930
And yeah, that was actually 
quite surprising. 

502
00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:14,730
When I I'd been there before and
I'm like, Oh yeah, it's so 

503
00:28:14,730 --> 00:28:17,170
great, there's rice. 
But then I was like, oh shit, 

504
00:28:17,170 --> 00:28:20,730
yeah, like Soy actually will 
also kill you. 

505
00:28:20,770 --> 00:28:24,570
Not just pasta. 
Yeah, like what? 

506
00:28:24,690 --> 00:28:28,930
Depending on, yeah, what it is. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's 

507
00:28:28,930 --> 00:28:30,450
the trick. 
It's all that hidden gluten. 

508
00:28:30,450 --> 00:28:33,170
It's not just the bread, the 
pasta that they get you in, you 

509
00:28:33,170 --> 00:28:33,930
know? 
Yeah. 

510
00:28:34,770 --> 00:28:36,450
Awesome. 
Well, thanks for catching up. 

511
00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:41,970
And I think next time we do a 
large event like that, we should

512
00:28:41,970 --> 00:28:45,290
probably do like a full episode 
reviewing it and maybe giving 

513
00:28:45,290 --> 00:28:51,130
like some tips of things that 
we've learned or maybe some do's

514
00:28:51,130 --> 00:28:54,370
and don'ts of attending like a 
magic festival. 

515
00:28:54,370 --> 00:28:58,330
This one was indoors. 
So I think a lot of the tips I 

516
00:28:58,330 --> 00:29:01,650
would normally give have more to
do also with navigating the 

517
00:29:01,690 --> 00:29:05,270
elements, because normally. 
Taken events or outdoors. 

518
00:29:05,270 --> 00:29:09,270
So this was a little unique, but
yeah, I think that that would 

519
00:29:09,270 --> 00:29:10,750
make it really interesting topic
as well. 

520
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:17,190
Yeah, for sure. 
All right, so I want to traverse

521
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:20,150
into Appalachian Folk magic. 
I I'm just loving you're like 

522
00:29:20,150 --> 00:29:22,750
put on your hiking boots. 
Let's find our roots. 

523
00:29:22,750 --> 00:29:25,910
Let's traverse the topics let's 
climb that hill. 

524
00:29:25,910 --> 00:29:28,910
I'm, I'm, I'm living for all of 
the I'm. 

525
00:29:28,990 --> 00:29:31,510
I'm trying to steep you guys in 
it a little bit, you know, like 

526
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:35,120
trying to like dip you into it. 
There is something, and I always

527
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,680
say this to people and I'm sure 
it sounds hokey, but there is 

528
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,880
something about that area that 
is so energetically different 

529
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,560
than anywhere I've been in my 
life. 

530
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,800
And the practical side of me is 
always like, yeah, it's because 

531
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,560
you it feels like going home 
because you have lots of good 

532
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,520
happy memories there. 
Like, of course it feels 

533
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,160
different. 
I'm sure that feels the same way

534
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,690
to everyone's favorite place, 
like childhood place, but people

535
00:30:00,690 --> 00:30:03,650
often describe the same thing, 
particularly about where I'm 

536
00:30:03,650 --> 00:30:07,690
from, from the Blue Ridge 
Mountains, that that area just 

537
00:30:07,690 --> 00:30:11,090
feels magical. 
And we'll talk about later how 

538
00:30:11,090 --> 00:30:18,450
like even people who maybe avoid
witchcraft or witch still very 

539
00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:22,290
much recognize magic and and 
that it exists. 

540
00:30:22,290 --> 00:30:27,050
There isn't kind of the push 
away of magic as a concept, but 

541
00:30:27,050 --> 00:30:30,840
there is this intentional 
avoidance of witchcraft as a 

542
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,000
concept. 
And so but people often describe

543
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,000
the magic of that area and they 
don't just mean the beauty that 

544
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,040
they really mean. 
Like when you go into the woods,

545
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,040
there's something different 
there. 

546
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,720
When you stand on a mountain, 
there's something different 

547
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,480
there and it's quite a lovely 
place to be. 

548
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,600
So it it is somewhere that kind 
of has my heart and that I 

549
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,680
really enjoy talking about. 
Yeah, I I've really only had a 

550
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,600
couple of experiences in the 
mountains. 

551
00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:00,940
There like in Tennessee. 
And yeah, I would, I would 

552
00:31:00,940 --> 00:31:03,620
agree, like a Creek, just like 
flowing. 

553
00:31:03,620 --> 00:31:05,580
There's like waterfalls. 
There's so many really 

554
00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:10,620
interesting nature occurrences. 
You know, I always feel like 

555
00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:14,660
when I'm in the Appalachia 
Mountains that I'm always like 

556
00:31:14,660 --> 00:31:17,260
waiting to see a gnome pop out 
of somewhere. 

557
00:31:17,260 --> 00:31:19,780
I'm like, if I saw it, I'd be 
like, oh, yeah, yeah, there they

558
00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:21,020
are. 
I knew they were that track. 

559
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:24,340
Yeah, like you. 
Like, almost expect something 

560
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:29,160
amazing to happen. 
So it's that's, I think, why it 

561
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,360
has a reputation for that. 
Is it magic? 

562
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,320
Doesn't seem out of place there.
Yeah, it seems very of place 

563
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,640
there. 
So you're gonna do the same kind

564
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,400
of format that we've done for 
the other deep dive. 

565
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,710
So we're gonna do like. 
The whole air being about like 

566
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:50,350
information terminologies books 
people can reference, we're 

567
00:31:50,350 --> 00:31:54,590
going to do the fire. 
So that being like actions and 

568
00:31:54,910 --> 00:31:59,710
different practices that people 
can, people in that area would 

569
00:31:59,710 --> 00:32:02,950
recognize or people could 
potentially consider an adopt if

570
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:05,510
that's something that's calling 
to them and then getting into 

571
00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:10,590
the water aspects which is you 
know what are the history 

572
00:32:11,470 --> 00:32:14,970
historical. 
Aspects of the topic that you 

573
00:32:14,970 --> 00:32:16,850
have been able to find and you 
know what are your personal 

574
00:32:16,850 --> 00:32:19,050
feelings? 
And then finally we'll finish up

575
00:32:19,050 --> 00:32:22,850
with, you know, as like 
integration, what challenges 

576
00:32:22,850 --> 00:32:27,450
have you experienced continuing 
to leverage more and more of 

577
00:32:27,450 --> 00:32:30,650
these practices into your life. 
Obviously, I have nothing to 

578
00:32:30,650 --> 00:32:34,050
contribute in these ways. 
I mean, you know, I grew up 

579
00:32:34,050 --> 00:32:38,490
country Y'all and my people were
in that area, but I definitely 

580
00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:40,930
was Florida, Georgia more so 
than. 

581
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:45,250
Mountains. 
So I'm going to hopefully just 

582
00:32:45,250 --> 00:32:47,770
help you highlight some things 
and give you some prompts. 

583
00:32:47,770 --> 00:32:51,010
That way you feel like you're 
not talking the whole time. 

584
00:32:51,010 --> 00:32:53,490
Give yourself an opportunity to 
grab some water. 

585
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:55,490
But really, you're running the 
show here, Danny. 

586
00:32:55,490 --> 00:32:57,770
So, so yeah, let's jump into the
air. 

587
00:32:57,770 --> 00:33:02,090
Topics I think you have here, 
like the ideas of, it's probably

588
00:33:02,090 --> 00:33:04,810
useful for us to create some 
definitions, certainly when 

589
00:33:04,810 --> 00:33:06,850
you're describing things. 
These are terms that I'm 

590
00:33:06,850 --> 00:33:10,260
familiar with, but I don't. 
Know if someone said well what 

591
00:33:10,260 --> 00:33:12,940
is that I could really answer. 
So I'm so, yeah, like take us 

592
00:33:12,940 --> 00:33:15,500
into some definitions that you 
think would be helpful for us to

593
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:16,700
know. 
Yeah. 

594
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:19,340
So I think First off, when, So 
when people really say 

595
00:33:19,420 --> 00:33:23,300
Appalachia, like people are 
like, OK, Appalachian Mountains 

596
00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:27,220
or if you're not from anywhere 
near there, you say Appalachian 

597
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:31,310
Mountains and like, where is 
that exactly? 

598
00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:33,950
Well, it is kind of a 
conglomeration of a few 

599
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:37,030
different mountain ranges. 
The one I'm most familiar with 

600
00:33:37,030 --> 00:33:38,950
where my family's from is the 
Blue Ridge Mountains. 

601
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:42,070
But it really extends from 
Southern New York. 

602
00:33:42,430 --> 00:33:44,390
You'll hear places that say from
Pennsylvania. 

603
00:33:44,390 --> 00:33:46,310
But if you really look at the 
mountain range, it goes all the 

604
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:50,310
way into southern New York, all 
the way down to Mississippi, 

605
00:33:50,590 --> 00:33:52,270
kind of northeastern 
Mississippi. 

606
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:55,870
And because of, you know, when 
you think about those States and

607
00:33:55,870 --> 00:34:01,100
and the things you probably kind
of know or maybe stereotype 

608
00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:04,540
about those states, those are 
very different places. 

609
00:34:04,540 --> 00:34:07,740
When I say New York and 
Mississippi, you're like what? 

610
00:34:07,740 --> 00:34:10,219
Like those two places don't 
probably seem very familiar to 

611
00:34:10,219 --> 00:34:13,139
you. 
I know if you talk to certain 

612
00:34:13,139 --> 00:34:15,260
parts of Virginia, West 
Virginia, they would say they 

613
00:34:15,260 --> 00:34:19,300
are nothing alike. 
And so it is a very wide area 

614
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:23,300
that has many different kind of 
factions and regions of 

615
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:26,260
especially of belief. 
And that's part of why it's 

616
00:34:26,260 --> 00:34:29,989
really difficult to get any real
like point to a body of work 

617
00:34:29,989 --> 00:34:33,310
that's like that's Appalachian 
folklore, that's Appalachian 

618
00:34:33,310 --> 00:34:37,670
folk magic because it really 
runs so far and things have kind

619
00:34:37,670 --> 00:34:40,310
of evolved from place to place 
and kind of the natural 

620
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:42,710
migration of people. 
So it's very hard to point to 

621
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:47,760
anything and say that's 
Appalachian because that can run

622
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,000
really the gamut of all of it. 
Yeah, I mean, I think that 

623
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,679
happens with most cultures. 
Over time, people unfortunately 

624
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,080
move around and make it 
complicated for us to define 

625
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,880
them. 
You'll see that with like 

626
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,560
Celtic, that culture and 
traditions and like, yeah, yeah,

627
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:04,920
I think that's that's quite 
common. 

628
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,720
So that makes sense, right? 
And then I want to get into the 

629
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:09,720
other piece of that word, folk 
magic, right? 

630
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,770
What does that mean? 
And I think it's a little bit of

631
00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:15,010
a misnomer, the definition 
itself, right? 

632
00:35:15,290 --> 00:35:20,410
So it's nontraditional in the 
sense that it isn't codified or 

633
00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:24,250
initiatory. 
But I think if you told people 

634
00:35:24,250 --> 00:35:26,450
from there that it was 
nontraditional, that would seem 

635
00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:30,770
very converse to them because 
most people are taught by family

636
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:34,770
members and the practices are 
developed and evolving overtime 

637
00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:37,250
to meet the needs of the folks, 
right? 

638
00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:40,050
So we say folk magic. 
It was developed by the folks. 

639
00:35:40,380 --> 00:35:43,900
I passed along to the folk by 
each other. 

640
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:47,620
So for them they would say that 
is traditional, right? 

641
00:35:47,620 --> 00:35:50,020
It was passed down for my 
grandmother, it was passed down 

642
00:35:50,020 --> 00:35:53,860
from my grandparents. 
But it is nontraditional in the 

643
00:35:53,860 --> 00:35:56,780
sense that it isn't codified. 
It is an initiatory. 

644
00:35:57,220 --> 00:36:00,580
It's not like Wicca, right? 
I have a. 

645
00:36:01,460 --> 00:36:06,820
Really bad joke, please tell me.
Folk Magic is the FUBU of the 

646
00:36:06,820 --> 00:36:09,820
magic world for us. 
By us, Yeah. 

647
00:36:10,460 --> 00:36:12,940
No, I love that and I think we 
should maybe coped it. 

648
00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:15,580
I think FUBU is maybe going 
through a downturn at this 

649
00:36:15,580 --> 00:36:18,420
moment. 
So perhaps, okay, perhaps we 

650
00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:21,180
could like, you know, change up 
our marketing scheme. 

651
00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:26,180
I think, yeah, no, I think it's 
funny, like folk magic of the 

652
00:36:26,340 --> 00:36:28,620
folks. 
It's like saying like people 

653
00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:29,500
magic. 
It's funny. 

654
00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:35,060
Literally, Yeah, Y'all means 
all, y'all, all of that. 

655
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,000
So then we want to talk about 
granny magic. 

656
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,640
And this has kind of had a 
recent resurgence. 

657
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,440
And I think people who may be 
new to Appalachian magic, 

658
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,200
Appalachian folklore, might 
think that this has been like a 

659
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,320
longstanding, and I see it all 
the time. 

660
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,760
Facebook groups, they're like, 
does anyone have like a bona 

661
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,160
fide granny magic? 
And I'm like, yeah, we all have 

662
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,720
grandparents. 
Like, I don't understand the 

663
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:03,800
question because it is kind of 
illogical in and of itself. 

664
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,040
It's a really relatively new 
term. 

665
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,360
It is highly sought after in a 
lot of Appalachian groups. 

666
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,880
But really I think it likely 
originates from knowing that 

667
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,960
your grandmother, typically the 
matriarch of the family, maybe a

668
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,440
great grandmother. 
A lot of families had had 

669
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,520
children very young. 
So many generations are alive. 

670
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,000
So insert your local name. 
If that's Ma mall, me mall, 

671
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:34,330
granny Grammy, that person held 
a lot, a massive amount of 

672
00:37:34,570 --> 00:37:39,090
Appalachian folk knowledge 
because they like have been here

673
00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:42,290
the whole Dang time, right. 
And so these people I think 

674
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:46,650
became kind of the heads of the 
knowledge, the holders of the 

675
00:37:46,650 --> 00:37:51,770
knowledge kind of logistically. 
But I think coming from the 

676
00:37:51,770 --> 00:37:56,730
outside a lot of people think 
that that it is a style of magic

677
00:37:56,730 --> 00:37:59,890
or and I think there's like this
movement to like make that a 

678
00:37:59,890 --> 00:38:03,470
thing and and it's fetch. 
You're you're not going to make 

679
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:05,590
it fetch. 
We're not going to do that. 

680
00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:11,190
So it's become kind of this 
funny thing to me to see because

681
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:15,230
I think people what they're 
asking for is history. 

682
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:17,750
They're asking for knowledge. 
But what they're really getting 

683
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:21,870
is like, well my grandmother 
used to make this S like. 

684
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:25,750
And again, it's so far and wide 
that I think to say like 

685
00:38:25,790 --> 00:38:30,310
anything is bona fide or 
codified would be a misstep. 

686
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:35,430
But it's funny to me to see this
like Rise of Granny Magic, 

687
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:38,310
because I also just picture like
a bunch of old ladies like 

688
00:38:38,510 --> 00:38:40,630
knitting and like speaking 
incantation. 

689
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:43,390
So it just has a very funny like
picture in my brain. 

690
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:48,150
I hope we're future of the 
Granny Magic image in your head.

691
00:38:48,510 --> 00:38:52,870
Yeah, please. 
Like I I'm gonna imprint our 

692
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:58,030
unusually young looking faces 
for Granny's onto that image. 

693
00:38:58,270 --> 00:39:02,310
#Goals. 
Granny, Granny, gangster goals. 

694
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:06,310
I love it. 
And then conjure. 

695
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:09,150
So we'll talk a lot about 
conjure magic. 

696
00:39:09,150 --> 00:39:11,990
And when I'm talking conjure, I 
think that has a lot of 

697
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:14,990
different common connotations 
for people depending on where 

698
00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:18,110
you're from and what you know 
about conjure. 

699
00:39:18,110 --> 00:39:21,790
So when I'm talking about 
conjure, I'm calling about 

700
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:24,750
people who literally call on 
spirit or entity. 

701
00:39:25,230 --> 00:39:28,830
So conjurers and Appalachian 
folk magic often use either the 

702
00:39:28,830 --> 00:39:32,190
Bible to call out certain 
Christian entity like Saints or 

703
00:39:32,190 --> 00:39:37,470
the Holy Ghost to aid in 
workings however some too many. 

704
00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:41,270
Again, it's hard to to quantify 
these things, but some too many 

705
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:44,150
conjurers don't use the Bible. 
So if they came for more of a 

706
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:47,780
background like mine that was 
not kind of so steeped in 

707
00:39:47,780 --> 00:39:52,020
Christianity, they may use or 
call upon land spirits or 

708
00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:54,740
ancestral spirits. 
So where we would maybe use the 

709
00:39:54,740 --> 00:39:59,660
term invocation, they would use 
the term conjuring and then a 

710
00:39:59,660 --> 00:40:01,300
crossroads. 
So I think a lot of us are 

711
00:40:01,300 --> 00:40:03,820
familiar with the concepts of 
the crossroads and meeting at 

712
00:40:03,820 --> 00:40:05,900
the crossroads, leaving things 
at the crossroads. 

713
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:09,940
And they do hold a special place
in Appalachian folklore and 

714
00:40:09,940 --> 00:40:12,640
Appalachian folk magic. 
And it's it's literally where 

715
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,880
two roads intersect. 
So it might be a fourway stop 

716
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,760
that might be a stop light. 
If you have a fourway stop light

717
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,280
in your town you're really 
killing it out in Appalachia 

718
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,760
that's amazing but it's often 
where parts of a working. 

719
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:32,000
And again when I say a working I
mean a spell a a a something you

720
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,840
have made so a working to 
dispose of it at the cross roads

721
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:42,200
and it usually is in a with a 
purpose to either confuse the 

722
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,840
spirit or entity that you're 
trying to get rid of. 

723
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:50,400
So it's often a disposal of, if 
not a directional thing because 

724
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,640
sometimes it'll say like at the 
southernmost point of the 

725
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,320
crossroad or something like 
that. 

726
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,160
And sometimes that is 
intentional based on what you're

727
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,920
trying to do, but also kind of 
mean spiritedly. 

728
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,120
It is also to pass it on to the 
next person that picks it up. 

729
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:10,000
So I will highly suggest to you 
that if you are at a crossroad, 

730
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,400
particularly in Appalachia, and 
there was a very interesting 

731
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,360
shiny or bag of something on the
ground, may haps don't touch it.

732
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,500
Maybe just don't. 
Because often the purpose is the

733
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:26,380
person is trying to get rid of 
something and transfer it to 

734
00:41:26,380 --> 00:41:29,060
another person, and we'll talk 
later about some practices 

735
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:32,740
around this, but you don't want 
warts, y'all, so just don't do 

736
00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:36,460
that. 
I that's really I'm glad that 

737
00:41:36,460 --> 00:41:39,340
you brought that up and it that 
this is clarifying because I did

738
00:41:39,340 --> 00:41:43,180
always wonder like what's I get 
the idea of dropping something 

739
00:41:43,180 --> 00:41:47,770
off at a frequently? 
Traveled spot, which a crossroad

740
00:41:47,770 --> 00:41:51,050
clearly would be because you 
know it's two roads 

741
00:41:51,130 --> 00:41:54,290
intersecting. 
But the idea that you would be 

742
00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:58,810
disposing of things not just to 
pass it on to somebody else but 

743
00:41:58,810 --> 00:42:02,130
potentially confuse spirits that
that makes sense. 

744
00:42:02,250 --> 00:42:04,010
OKOKI love that. 
Thank you. 

745
00:42:04,130 --> 00:42:07,450
That's good, yeah. 
And there's a lot of like pieces

746
00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:10,090
of that depending on where 
you're from, where it's like 

747
00:42:10,090 --> 00:42:11,970
you're supposed to dispose of it
and not look back. 

748
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,560
And the reason is to like not 
make contact like you want. 

749
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,280
If it's a spirit or entity that 
you're working with, you don't 

750
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,520
want them to follow you. 
You don't want them to know 

751
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,840
which direction you went in. 
So the likelihood that it will 

752
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,960
somehow make it back to you has 
at least been multiplied by 

753
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,520
four, right. 
So that's kind of the the goal. 

754
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,160
What about running in AZ 
pattern? 

755
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,000
Does that help to like 
alligators? 

756
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,880
I think that's only if you're 
trying to avoid a school 

757
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,360
shooter. 
I think that's the only. 

758
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,320
And alligators, They tell you to
do that too, yes. 

759
00:42:41,020 --> 00:42:43,140
Because apparently I didn't grow
up in Florida. 

760
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:45,940
So this is what we were 
literally told in Virginia. 

761
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:49,260
I I don't know if you guys 
remember the DC sniper thing. 

762
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:52,580
This is what we were literally 
told in Virginia because we were

763
00:42:52,580 --> 00:42:57,940
near ish to DC. 
We were told to run in his exact

764
00:42:57,940 --> 00:43:00,820
pattern. 
Oh my gosh, my parents were 

765
00:43:00,820 --> 00:43:02,340
like, is this really the best 
advice? 

766
00:43:04,930 --> 00:43:07,570
Okay. 
Well, this is the dystopian 

767
00:43:07,570 --> 00:43:12,090
future of of our dreams, Yeah. 
And then last thing is kind of 

768
00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:16,490
around the term which if you go 
to Appalachia and you stop at a 

769
00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:20,610
convenience store and you say, 
hey, I'm looking for a local 

770
00:43:20,610 --> 00:43:26,370
witch or someone who practices 
who do or I'm looking for 

771
00:43:26,370 --> 00:43:30,050
someone who practices voodoo, 
that convenience store clerk is 

772
00:43:30,290 --> 00:43:34,940
probably going to usher you out 
as quickly as possible and may 

773
00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:38,780
haps call the police on you 
because you seem like a crazy 

774
00:43:38,780 --> 00:43:41,980
person. 
We that those terms just aren't 

775
00:43:41,980 --> 00:43:45,220
often used there. 
Maybe originally like I've heard

776
00:43:45,220 --> 00:43:49,020
of like hill folks who do but 
often those practitioners are 

777
00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:51,820
actually not even call 
themselves that. 

778
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:54,620
We will use a lot of other 
terms. 

779
00:43:54,660 --> 00:44:00,780
I think often it is to kind of 
maybe intentionally palletize 

780
00:44:00,780 --> 00:44:04,170
those terms to not create 
friction between Christian 

781
00:44:04,170 --> 00:44:06,930
beliefs and kind of integrating 
those beliefs. 

782
00:44:07,210 --> 00:44:10,170
But you will very rarely hear 
anyone call themselves directly 

783
00:44:10,490 --> 00:44:13,010
a witch. 
Now that is becoming more 

784
00:44:13,010 --> 00:44:16,450
popular I think as witchcraft 
kind of becomes more mainstream.

785
00:44:16,970 --> 00:44:21,210
But at least growing up my 
grandmother never outwardly 

786
00:44:21,210 --> 00:44:23,970
called herself a witch. 
That would be to bring kind of 

787
00:44:23,970 --> 00:44:26,770
condemnation on the family and 
or at least to bring 

788
00:44:26,770 --> 00:44:30,130
superstition and and kind of 
things you don't want associated

789
00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:33,540
with your family. 
One of my aunts would never call

790
00:44:33,540 --> 00:44:35,780
herself a witch but she still 
spits in her mop water. 

791
00:44:35,780 --> 00:44:39,620
So like what you doing right 
what's going on there And then 

792
00:44:39,620 --> 00:44:44,020
another one of my aunts I would 
say only within the past maybe 

793
00:44:44,020 --> 00:44:47,540
10 years has started calling 
herself a witch and again not 

794
00:44:47,540 --> 00:44:51,500
outwardly not like you know 
proudly out on Facebook 

795
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:55,060
announcing she's a witch. 
It it's just she is known to do 

796
00:44:55,060 --> 00:45:00,540
workings right we we talk very 
kind of around the thing and so 

797
00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:03,580
if if we're talking about 
practitioners you'll often find 

798
00:45:03,580 --> 00:45:08,740
that they have very different 
names kind of to obfuscate I 

799
00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:12,140
think what they actually do. 
Yeah, I think. 

800
00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:17,140
I mean, I don't. 
I'm not in a closet by any 

801
00:45:17,140 --> 00:45:20,300
means. 
But I also don't even feel like 

802
00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:22,380
I I understand why people 
wouldn't feel completely 

803
00:45:22,380 --> 00:45:25,140
comfortable referring to 
themselves in that way. 

804
00:45:25,940 --> 00:45:29,460
I think we joke about even the 
title of our podcast being like,

805
00:45:29,460 --> 00:45:31,380
too real witches. 
It's kind of like. 

806
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:36,660
Making fun of the fact that even
real, which is like, it's a 

807
00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:39,860
fallacy in itself that like what
the fuck is real anyways? 

808
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:43,260
Yeah, but it's really just for 
the algorithm because I feel 

809
00:45:43,260 --> 00:45:46,340
like which is such an umbrella 
term, it almost means nothing. 

810
00:45:46,340 --> 00:45:51,540
I mean if it means everything. 
So people being resistant to 

811
00:45:51,540 --> 00:45:53,940
identify in that way. 
Like also people don't. 

812
00:45:53,980 --> 00:45:58,020
Like if you don't live in the 
South, you don't understand how.

813
00:45:58,860 --> 00:46:01,700
Judged potentially you can be 
and how dangerous that can be. 

814
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:04,340
I mean, Danny, we didn't bring 
it up when we in The Witcher up 

815
00:46:04,340 --> 00:46:11,020
to updates about the snubbing. 
About the event, about the 

816
00:46:11,020 --> 00:46:16,780
event, OK you guys, so there we 
it was an indoor event at a 

817
00:46:16,780 --> 00:46:20,060
hotel. 
We had like a ballroom space for

818
00:46:20,060 --> 00:46:23,220
the vendors and then there were 
two really nice size breakout 

819
00:46:23,220 --> 00:46:28,260
rooms and beside one of the 
breakout rooms. 

820
00:46:28,830 --> 00:46:34,470
The hotel thought it would be a 
good idea to rent out that 

821
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:36,670
space, or maybe they were first,
or I don't know. 

822
00:46:36,670 --> 00:46:40,510
But the fact of the matter is we
ended up with a Ministry of 

823
00:46:40,510 --> 00:46:43,870
something which was clearly 
Christian in nature. 

824
00:46:43,870 --> 00:46:47,150
I'm not sure you know what 
exactly their belief is, but I'm

825
00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:51,670
fairly confident they were not 
living for our event based on 

826
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:57,270
how many nasty looks and literal
scoffs I got. 

827
00:46:57,780 --> 00:47:02,780
By walking past people in the 
hallway and it's like I'm I I 

828
00:47:02,780 --> 00:47:08,140
was not in a full pointy hat at 
that point so and I'm smiling. 

829
00:47:08,140 --> 00:47:12,260
Y'all I'm like I'm doing 
ministry for Caradwin and her 

830
00:47:12,260 --> 00:47:14,980
and I'm out here just you know 
like we're living our best life 

831
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:18,060
and and they were not having it,
but no. 

832
00:47:18,340 --> 00:47:21,660
All in all, to say that like the
word which can be really 

833
00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:26,670
dangerous even in America. 
And very much in the South. 

834
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:31,470
So no shame, no shame in in in 
not using that term and not 

835
00:47:31,470 --> 00:47:34,630
claiming that term. 
Like if it makes it easier for 

836
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:36,510
people to hate on you and you 
don't feel comfortable doing 

837
00:47:36,510 --> 00:47:41,910
that and you don't have the 
privilege of, you know, not 

838
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:43,350
worrying about what other people
think because that's a 

839
00:47:43,350 --> 00:47:44,910
privilege, then like, don't 
fucking use it. 

840
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:47,970
I I that totally makes sense. 
Awesome. 

841
00:47:47,970 --> 00:47:51,330
Well, thank you so much for all 
of those definitions that that 

842
00:47:51,330 --> 00:47:53,970
was certainly I got some good 
clarification there. 

843
00:47:54,730 --> 00:47:57,570
We're going to give you some 
books, so you have a list of 

844
00:47:57,570 --> 00:48:00,050
books here. 
Is it possible for you to give 

845
00:48:00,050 --> 00:48:05,690
me, like if I was to read one 
book that had a the best 

846
00:48:05,730 --> 00:48:09,650
overview, do any of them really 
fall into that category for you 

847
00:48:09,650 --> 00:48:12,490
or they all kind of like 
speaking to their own strengths?

848
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:15,010
Yeah, I don't. 
I could give you some highlights

849
00:48:15,010 --> 00:48:18,010
of each book and why I kind of 
have listed it because these 

850
00:48:18,010 --> 00:48:19,610
aren't all the books that I've 
read. 

851
00:48:19,610 --> 00:48:21,410
These are just the ones that 
I've like picked up and been 

852
00:48:21,410 --> 00:48:24,530
like Yep, this feels familiar or
yeah, this makes makes a lot of 

853
00:48:24,530 --> 00:48:28,410
sense to me. 
I I probably want to lead with I

854
00:48:28,410 --> 00:48:33,010
think when you read a lot of the
reviews on wherever you purchase

855
00:48:33,010 --> 00:48:37,610
your books online about 
Appalachian folklore and 

856
00:48:37,610 --> 00:48:41,890
Appalachian folk magic books, 
they'll often be like oh I 

857
00:48:41,890 --> 00:48:46,650
didn't really get like a list of
recipes I didn't really get like

858
00:48:46,690 --> 00:48:48,850
I wanted. 
I wanted structure I wanted 

859
00:48:48,850 --> 00:48:52,090
spells I wanted. 
But in order to understand this 

860
00:48:52,090 --> 00:48:54,690
group of people, you really need
to understand where they come 

861
00:48:54,690 --> 00:48:56,130
from. 
So a lot of these books feel a 

862
00:48:56,130 --> 00:49:00,010
lot like a history lesson. 
A lot of them are are explaining

863
00:49:00,050 --> 00:49:02,890
like where did these practices 
come from, where did these 

864
00:49:02,890 --> 00:49:06,050
people come from? 
What's kind of the logistics 

865
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:11,130
behind why this is a thing? 
Because some of them do have 

866
00:49:11,130 --> 00:49:15,090
very practical applications and 
so a lot of these books are like

867
00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:16,970
that. 
So I can kind of skip ahead a 

868
00:49:16,970 --> 00:49:20,010
little bit and say if you're 
looking for something that gives

869
00:49:20,010 --> 00:49:24,330
you specifics, like tells you 
what to put in your tea, how to 

870
00:49:24,330 --> 00:49:29,090
make a sash it, how to like all 
of those kind of things, I would

871
00:49:29,090 --> 00:49:33,170
point to Granny Bucks, Dibs and 
Dabs, Appalachian Traditions and

872
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:37,850
Magical Ways by Katherine Buck. 
So again, Katherine Buck. 

873
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:40,910
Granny Buck, Right, That's that 
granny magic thing people are 

874
00:49:40,910 --> 00:49:43,630
looking for. 
But it's it's all of that. 

875
00:49:43,630 --> 00:49:47,630
So it really is just like a by 
concept. 

876
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:51,190
Here are a list of herbs. 
Here are a list of ways to use 

877
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:53,070
them. 
They've got a really great 

878
00:49:53,070 --> 00:49:55,470
section on like teas that are 
really like. 

879
00:49:56,310 --> 00:49:58,350
More importantly, because she 
doesn't refer to the mess tea, 

880
00:49:58,350 --> 00:50:00,990
she refers them as gargles. 
And that's what I'm familiar 

881
00:50:00,990 --> 00:50:02,150
with. 
I didn't drink a lot of tea. 

882
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:04,510
Coming up, we didn't we didn't 
drink a lot of tea. 

883
00:50:04,510 --> 00:50:07,350
I we didn't have a tea kettle. 
What was that? 

884
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:10,940
And so we. 
But I did do a lot of gargles. 

885
00:50:10,940 --> 00:50:15,060
If you were sick, Listen, we 
gargled everything, all the 

886
00:50:15,060 --> 00:50:17,860
things. 
I have never put so much salt in

887
00:50:17,860 --> 00:50:20,220
the back of my throat at the 
moment. 

888
00:50:20,220 --> 00:50:23,140
You were like, my throat hurts. 
You're gargling some salt water 

889
00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:24,780
depending on what was wrong with
you. 

890
00:50:24,780 --> 00:50:27,220
You're doing a gargle. 
And I think a lot of that comes 

891
00:50:27,220 --> 00:50:34,070
from the belief that the throat 
holds a lot of insight into the 

892
00:50:34,070 --> 00:50:35,710
health of a person. 
So if you think about your 

893
00:50:35,710 --> 00:50:38,990
mouth, your dentist can tell a 
lot about what's going on with 

894
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:42,110
your heart from your mouth. 
And so there I think there's 

895
00:50:42,110 --> 00:50:45,150
just belief that like the mouth 
and the throat tell you a lot 

896
00:50:45,150 --> 00:50:48,190
about the general health of a 
person and overall. 

897
00:50:48,750 --> 00:50:50,470
And so we did a lot of gargling.
I would. 

898
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:52,830
I probably didn't get into teas 
until I was an adult. 

899
00:50:52,830 --> 00:50:55,230
So I ducks and dabs love that. 
I. 

900
00:50:55,230 --> 00:51:00,070
Never even questioned Gargles. 
I mean, like, I totally, I still

901
00:51:00,070 --> 00:51:01,870
do that. 
Yeah. 

902
00:51:01,870 --> 00:51:04,770
Is that a thing? 
Is that not medically proven? 

903
00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:06,890
I don't know. 
I've never even thought of it. 

904
00:51:06,930 --> 00:51:12,290
So so that's a lot of folk magic
is that it's very practical in 

905
00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:14,210
nature. 
It's not like we're just out 

906
00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:16,530
here doing an abstract 
something. 

907
00:51:16,610 --> 00:51:20,250
We're doing a logistical, 
mundane thing to achieve a goal.

908
00:51:20,530 --> 00:51:24,020
And so we're gargling because 
that helps clear infection out 

909
00:51:24,020 --> 00:51:26,660
of the throat, right. 
But also, let's throw some herbs

910
00:51:26,660 --> 00:51:29,420
in there that are known to help 
with whatever ailment that you 

911
00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:33,180
have, maybe from a medicinal 
purpose, but also maybe from 

912
00:51:34,940 --> 00:51:36,980
kind of a word of mouth purpose,
right. 

913
00:51:37,140 --> 00:51:41,980
Or maybe, you know, this root or
whatever grows close to the 

914
00:51:41,980 --> 00:51:43,420
ground. 
And so therefore, if you're 

915
00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:46,020
having problems with your feet, 
this root's really great for 

916
00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:46,780
that. 
So we're going to have you 

917
00:51:46,780 --> 00:51:48,420
gargle with that, like. 
Stuff like that. 

918
00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:51,180
I never, I never had a gargle 
with anything other than. 

919
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:55,310
Salt hot water. 
I honestly don't even know if 

920
00:51:55,310 --> 00:51:56,870
that actually. 
I mean, I think it does 

921
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:59,630
something because the amount of 
salinity would kill some amount 

922
00:51:59,630 --> 00:52:02,230
of bacteria, but it certainly 
isn't going to have a viral 

923
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:04,950
impact. 
And sorry, I can go on my 

924
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:09,270
biological I'm with you. 
Yeah, we we salted everything. 

925
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:13,390
Yeah, all of that. 
I don't know. 

926
00:52:13,390 --> 00:52:16,030
I I still ended up with 
antibiotics sometimes, but. 

927
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,360
Yeah, cool. 
I love that, yeah. 

928
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,800
And then if you're looking for 
something more along the lines 

929
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:28,160
of conjure, so maybe you're more
in tune with hoodoo practices. 

930
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,320
A lot of those hoodoo practices 
came from kind of the the 

931
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,360
forming together of a lot of 
these African people enslaved 

932
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:40,480
people's voodoo practices, kind 
of converging with Christianity 

933
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:44,760
and those in creating this kind 
of who do practice that is both 

934
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,280
working with roots and and 
working with branches and all of

935
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,800
those things. 
But then also combining kind of 

936
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,920
the Christian, I'm going to not 
super lightly use the word 

937
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,120
manipulation of people and kind 
of conversion to Christianity 

938
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,560
and trying to find a way to 
marry those things in a way that

939
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:07,070
was at least publicly, 
societally, not against the 

940
00:53:07,070 --> 00:53:09,870
grain. 
And so we'll talk more about 

941
00:53:09,870 --> 00:53:14,510
kind of using the Bible as a 
spell book, but that is also a 

942
00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:16,110
really good book. 
So that I would say that one is 

943
00:53:16,110 --> 00:53:17,830
doctoring the devil. 
We've talked about this book 

944
00:53:17,830 --> 00:53:20,830
before, Notebooks of an 
Appalachian Conjure Man by Jake 

945
00:53:20,830 --> 00:53:23,510
Richards. 
He also makes another book 

946
00:53:24,110 --> 00:53:27,670
called Backwoods, Witchcraft 
Conjure and Folk Magic from 

947
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:29,990
Appalachia. 
I enjoyed. 

948
00:53:30,550 --> 00:53:34,310
For me, I enjoyed that book more
than doctoring the Devil because

949
00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:39,370
it talked a lot about, like, 
Appalachia in general, and like,

950
00:53:39,370 --> 00:53:42,490
it approached it from the way I 
think a lot of witchcraft books 

951
00:53:42,490 --> 00:53:45,090
approach magic. 
Like here are your tools, here 

952
00:53:45,090 --> 00:53:47,610
are your basics. 
And then he went into that with 

953
00:53:47,610 --> 00:53:50,890
very much a like, yeah, we don't
need to use any real tools. 

954
00:53:50,890 --> 00:53:54,570
They're all mundane things. 
Yeah, there's no basic spells. 

955
00:53:54,570 --> 00:53:57,530
Here's some shit. 
I know, and I just appreciated 

956
00:53:57,530 --> 00:53:58,930
that. 
I appreciated kind of turning 

957
00:53:58,930 --> 00:54:01,250
that concept upside down on its 
head. 

958
00:54:01,730 --> 00:54:04,210
Whether that was intentional or 
not, I don't know, but it was 

959
00:54:04,210 --> 00:54:07,990
great. 
And then there's a book I stuck 

960
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:10,430
in here that some people who 
have read it will probably be 

961
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:12,470
like, that's not an Appalachian 
folk magic book. 

962
00:54:13,230 --> 00:54:17,630
But when I read it, I 
immediately I knew where some of

963
00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:20,230
those practices were from. 
I've done those practices. 

964
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:25,470
And so there is a book called by
Rust of Nail and Prick of Thorn,

965
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:30,470
The Theory and Practice of 
Effective Home Warding by Althea

966
00:54:30,750 --> 00:54:34,140
Sebastiani. 
So it's not explicitly about 

967
00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:38,180
Appalachian practice, but almost
everything in there is about 

968
00:54:38,820 --> 00:54:41,940
creating your home as a 
sanctuary, essentially, and in 

969
00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:46,580
controlling the energy that you 
let in your house by also 

970
00:54:47,180 --> 00:54:50,300
essentially putting of yourself 
and of your attention into your 

971
00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:52,020
house. 
So there were some definitely 

972
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:56,100
some new concepts in there, most
notably like creating sigils to 

973
00:54:56,100 --> 00:55:00,250
put on tape on the upside of 
your fans so that people can't 

974
00:55:00,250 --> 00:55:02,090
see them. 
But as it spins, depending on 

975
00:55:02,090 --> 00:55:04,970
which way your fans spin and you
can actually reset which way 

976
00:55:04,970 --> 00:55:07,210
your fans spin. 
But depending on which way your 

977
00:55:07,210 --> 00:55:11,850
fans spin, either encouraging 
good luck and fortune into the 

978
00:55:11,850 --> 00:55:14,210
house or the other way. 
So that one was new for me, but 

979
00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:16,410
there was a lot about mop water.
There's a whole section about 

980
00:55:16,410 --> 00:55:18,570
mop water, and she talked about 
putting herbs and stuff in 

981
00:55:18,570 --> 00:55:21,690
there, but then she also touched
on like that some people have 

982
00:55:21,690 --> 00:55:23,450
the practice of putting their 
own urine in there. 

983
00:55:24,250 --> 00:55:27,530
That goes just a look farther 
than I'm familiar with. 

984
00:55:28,540 --> 00:55:30,860
Nobody was peeing our mop water,
but we were spitting in it. 

985
00:55:30,860 --> 00:55:31,820
Absolutely. 
But maybe. 

986
00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:35,100
Like, just a drop of pee? 
Maybe not like, yeah. 

987
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:36,700
Oh yeah, like not a full 
bladder. 

988
00:55:36,860 --> 00:55:39,020
No, no, no. 
That would be converse to what 

989
00:55:39,020 --> 00:55:40,340
you're trying to do, I think. 
OK. 

990
00:55:40,460 --> 00:55:42,780
I just want to borrow this book,
Danny. 

991
00:55:42,820 --> 00:55:45,420
This is so interesting. 
Rest of nail prick of thorn. 

992
00:55:45,420 --> 00:55:47,660
Oh it's so good. 
It's such a great home warning 

993
00:55:47,660 --> 00:55:49,060
book. 
And she also talks to things 

994
00:55:49,060 --> 00:55:52,700
like I never thought of like in 
your vents. 

995
00:55:53,310 --> 00:55:55,230
Obviously not anything that 
would get like sucked into your 

996
00:55:55,230 --> 00:55:58,350
thing, but just like the proper 
cleaning of those vents and how 

997
00:55:58,350 --> 00:56:01,750
to not clean them would be like 
in and of itself to not cleanse 

998
00:56:01,750 --> 00:56:07,510
your body and write how how you 
build up spiritual dirt in the 

999
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:08,790
same way that you build up 
physical dirt. 

1000
00:56:08,910 --> 00:56:12,430
Like it just it was a very cool 
book and I I appreciated kind of

1001
00:56:12,430 --> 00:56:15,470
their approach to it, but so 
much of it was so familiar. 

1002
00:56:16,180 --> 00:56:20,660
The next book we've got is 
Appalachian Folklore Omen Signs 

1003
00:56:20,660 --> 00:56:23,860
and Superstitions by Nancy 
Richmond and Misty Murray walk 

1004
00:56:23,860 --> 00:56:25,940
up. 
So I like this book because it's

1005
00:56:25,940 --> 00:56:29,340
not actually about magic, it's 
about the folklore. 

1006
00:56:29,340 --> 00:56:34,660
So it's a lot about how have 
things kind of come to be 

1007
00:56:34,660 --> 00:56:36,740
overtime. 
It gives you a lot of 

1008
00:56:36,780 --> 00:56:39,620
superstitions. 
So you'll often heard magic, or 

1009
00:56:39,620 --> 00:56:41,940
like magical practices called 
superstitions. 

1010
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:44,870
But like, if you're doing a 
thing because of a superstition,

1011
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:47,110
that's magic, homie. 
But we don't. 

1012
00:56:47,110 --> 00:56:51,830
We don't like to say that. 
So then we also have roots, 

1013
00:56:51,830 --> 00:56:55,550
branches, and spirits. 
The Folkways and Witchery of 

1014
00:56:55,550 --> 00:56:59,710
Appalachia by H Brian Ballard, 
who also writes another really 

1015
00:56:59,710 --> 00:57:03,190
good book called Stops and Ditch
Water, a friendly and useful 

1016
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:07,730
introduction to hill folks who 
do, again, also by H Brian 

1017
00:57:07,730 --> 00:57:10,050
Ballard. 
So Ballard, So if you are 

1018
00:57:10,050 --> 00:57:15,210
interested in hoodoo, and again,
what I really appreciate about H

1019
00:57:15,210 --> 00:57:18,250
Byron Ballard is that they just 
say right off the bat they're 

1020
00:57:18,250 --> 00:57:20,530
like, hey, we call it Hill 
folks, hoodoo. 

1021
00:57:20,610 --> 00:57:23,090
I know not everybody does, I 
know not everybody who lives 

1022
00:57:23,090 --> 00:57:25,770
here even calls it that. 
But here's some stuff that we're

1023
00:57:25,770 --> 00:57:29,170
doing. 
So that's a really cool book as 

1024
00:57:29,170 --> 00:57:32,930
well. 
But those two have a lot of 

1025
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:37,060
practical applications. 
So they'll they'll tell you how 

1026
00:57:37,060 --> 00:57:41,140
to do the thing, they'll they'll
give you a theory, give you the 

1027
00:57:41,140 --> 00:57:44,260
concept, make sure you 
understand like the concept 

1028
00:57:44,260 --> 00:57:47,580
behind what you're doing and 
that history that's behind it. 

1029
00:57:47,580 --> 00:57:49,540
And then they'll they'll tell 
you how to do the thing. 

1030
00:57:49,860 --> 00:57:53,820
Again, only with so much detail 
as those practices kind of vary 

1031
00:57:53,820 --> 00:57:58,380
region to region, but really 
appreciate those books as well, 

1032
00:57:58,380 --> 00:58:03,310
really kind of change some of my
concepts of protection and 

1033
00:58:03,310 --> 00:58:07,270
protection from what which we'll
talk about in a little bit and 

1034
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:09,070
then I think those are all of my
favorites. 

1035
00:58:09,070 --> 00:58:11,470
There are tons of books out 
there do. 

1036
00:58:11,950 --> 00:58:16,750
You know what favorite means? 
You're like, here's my 20 top 

1037
00:58:16,750 --> 00:58:19,550
books. 
They're my all best friends. 

1038
00:58:19,550 --> 00:58:21,030
All of them are best. 
Best. 

1039
00:58:22,030 --> 00:58:23,110
That was great. 
That was really. 

1040
00:58:23,230 --> 00:58:26,350
I can see now though why you 
couldn't just point to one or 

1041
00:58:26,350 --> 00:58:28,870
two books because they're all so
different and how they approach 

1042
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:30,930
the topic. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1043
00:58:30,930 --> 00:58:34,170
And it's really just like a what
I found to be best. 

1044
00:58:34,170 --> 00:58:36,890
I think some of the books that 
I've picked up and maybe haven't

1045
00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:39,970
really connected with was mostly
because those are not practices 

1046
00:58:39,970 --> 00:58:41,570
I'm familiar with. 
So if you're from somewhere 

1047
00:58:41,570 --> 00:58:43,610
else, this is not to say these 
are the end all. 

1048
00:58:43,610 --> 00:58:45,890
Be all books, pick up all the 
books, read all the books. 

1049
00:58:45,890 --> 00:58:49,450
There's lots out there, just not
all of them had practices that 

1050
00:58:49,450 --> 00:58:51,420
were super familiar to me. 
Right. 

1051
00:58:51,420 --> 00:58:54,460
Which is kind of part of the 
idea of learning that new. 

1052
00:58:54,460 --> 00:58:56,180
So that's cool. 
Yeah. 

1053
00:58:56,900 --> 00:58:58,340
All right. 
So we're going to transition 

1054
00:58:58,380 --> 00:59:02,620
still kind of staying within 
this air realm of just 

1055
00:59:02,620 --> 00:59:09,260
information and kind of the 
logical consideration of it. 

1056
00:59:09,780 --> 00:59:13,340
I think you wanted to transition
into potentially, like, what is 

1057
00:59:13,340 --> 00:59:17,140
the motivation? 
Why do people practice folk 

1058
00:59:17,140 --> 00:59:19,550
magic? 
So take us through some of your 

1059
00:59:19,550 --> 00:59:20,470
thoughts there. 
Yeah. 

1060
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:25,510
So when we talk about folk 
magic, these things didn't arise

1061
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:28,710
because people wanted to join a 
magic tradition. 

1062
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:32,030
These things arose because the 
people needed things, right? 

1063
00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:33,950
It wasn't to achieve just their 
wants. 

1064
00:59:33,950 --> 00:59:37,430
It was because these people had 
really practical needs, some of 

1065
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:41,150
them base level needs that 
needed to be met. 

1066
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:44,430
And we'll talk a little bit 
about, you know, control and 

1067
00:59:44,430 --> 00:59:46,950
those things. 
But for a group of people that 

1068
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:51,790
by and large were not a lot of 
means, some of the best ways of 

1069
00:59:51,790 --> 00:59:54,790
getting what they want is from 
now we would call it manifesting

1070
00:59:54,990 --> 00:59:59,070
or really putting their 
spiritual intention into 

1071
00:59:59,070 --> 01:00:01,390
something they didn't really 
have a lot of mundane control 

1072
01:00:01,390 --> 01:00:04,270
over. 
So one of the first things up is

1073
01:00:04,270 --> 01:00:05,870
safety. 
So. 

1074
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,160
Having kind of keen attention 
paid to patterns and omens, 

1075
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:14,440
often again called 
superstitions, really saved many

1076
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:15,920
a life and kept a lot of bellies
full. 

1077
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,800
So if you knew what you were 
looking for, if you had seen 

1078
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,880
that in times past, this had 
turned out this way. 

1079
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,600
If you were better able to 
recognize those patterns, they 

1080
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,660
probably kept you more safe. 
They probably made sure that you

1081
01:00:30,660 --> 01:00:33,140
got food on your table. 
They probably made sure that you

1082
01:00:33,140 --> 01:00:37,500
didn't fall into any accidents 
or been too far away from home 

1083
01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:42,420
when that next storm hit, Or got
all the animals or livestock put

1084
01:00:42,420 --> 01:00:46,620
away before some natural 
disaster hit, if you knew what 

1085
01:00:46,620 --> 01:00:48,300
you were looking for before it 
showed up. 

1086
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,320
Yeah, no, I mean, I the one that
clearly comes to my mind is 

1087
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,920
like, don't walk under a ladder 
because it's bad luck. 

1088
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,880
It's like, that's just a good 
sense. 

1089
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,480
Yeah, that just right. 
That's just called safety. 

1090
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:01,520
But sure. 
Yeah, Bad luck. 

1091
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,480
Bad luck too. 
And every time I walk under a 

1092
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,960
really wobbly ladder with 
somebody on it who's not being 

1093
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,720
supported, I get dead. 
That's so superstitious. 

1094
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,840
Yeah, no, that makes sense. 
Yeah, same thing. 

1095
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,340
I think the Black Cats thing, 
I'm one, you know, Black Cats 

1096
01:01:17,340 --> 01:01:19,540
get a bad name and all that 
stuff, but if you're out in the 

1097
01:01:19,540 --> 01:01:23,660
woods and you just see a random 
cat, probably flea ridden, 

1098
01:01:23,740 --> 01:01:27,380
probably ill, you don't want to 
take that stuff home, right? 

1099
01:01:27,540 --> 01:01:30,620
So it was kind of just good 
practice to stay away from 

1100
01:01:30,620 --> 01:01:34,380
unfamiliar animals that. 
Is that is not my life. 

1101
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,280
I'm like unfamiliar animals. 
Let's go. 

1102
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,640
Also Black Cats. 
If you wear a lot of black, you 

1103
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:45,280
should get a black cat because 
white cats and black clothes 

1104
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,320
nightmare. 
Actual nightmare. 

1105
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:51,760
But I will say I have gotten 
scabies from a from a stray cat.

1106
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,640
Maybe that was just like bad 
luck all you had listened to 

1107
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,840
Appalachian folk magic when it 
said stop messing with unknown 

1108
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,640
animals. 
Oh my God, you're a mess. 

1109
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,240
And then the next one's 
protection, right? 

1110
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,040
So kind of in that same vein of 
safety, but because of lack of 

1111
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,920
resources really in these rural 
areas, when you think about 

1112
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,120
these areas, these weren't like 
heavily populated areas. 

1113
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:21,000
Many of the families were spread
out by miles, if not way more 

1114
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,760
than that. 
And so in a rural area, it 

1115
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,680
really means most people are one
accident or illness away from 

1116
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:31,800
death and or devastation. 
Because again, if you die and 

1117
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,120
you're the primary breadwinner, 
well your family's just been 

1118
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,440
left destitute. 
Or if you die and your family 

1119
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,760
now has to give all of their 
life savings to bury you, that's

1120
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,440
a really terrible thing for your
family. 

1121
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,640
Not so different than this 
dystopian life that we're living

1122
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,480
right now. 
However, it really meant that 

1123
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,600
like people needed to find a way
to protect themselves, maybe 

1124
01:02:55,600 --> 01:03:00,770
also just from an anxiety ridden
place to make sure that nothing 

1125
01:03:00,770 --> 01:03:02,930
horrible happened to them. 
Because if something horrible 

1126
01:03:02,930 --> 01:03:05,610
happened to them, for many 
people, even the luckiest 

1127
01:03:05,610 --> 01:03:07,890
people, that would ruin their 
lives. 

1128
01:03:08,890 --> 01:03:10,010
So. 
That's that. 

1129
01:03:10,010 --> 01:03:11,890
That makes a lot of sense. 
Just it's like almost 

1130
01:03:11,890 --> 01:03:15,170
therapeutic to be optimistic. 
And the only way you can be 

1131
01:03:15,170 --> 01:03:17,810
optimistic is by doing some kind
of working. 

1132
01:03:17,930 --> 01:03:19,970
Yeah, that totally resonates 
with me. 

1133
01:03:21,050 --> 01:03:24,050
Feeling like you have control 
over something, even if you 

1134
01:03:24,050 --> 01:03:25,530
don't, right? 
You can at least say, well, I 

1135
01:03:25,530 --> 01:03:28,290
did everything that I could to 
prevent this thing from 

1136
01:03:28,290 --> 01:03:31,250
happening, right? 
And then when we talk about 

1137
01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:33,370
protection, like from what? 
Right. 

1138
01:03:33,370 --> 01:03:36,050
So from the known. 
So we're talking illness, 

1139
01:03:36,050 --> 01:03:38,530
natural disaster. 
If you're running a farm, you 

1140
01:03:38,530 --> 01:03:40,490
need to be prepared for those 
kind of things and feel like 

1141
01:03:40,490 --> 01:03:43,730
you've kind of done everything 
both mundanely and from a 

1142
01:03:43,730 --> 01:03:48,050
practitioner standpoint to 
protect your assets, injury and 

1143
01:03:48,050 --> 01:03:50,410
then lack or loss of 
opportunity. 

1144
01:03:50,410 --> 01:03:55,280
So if someone's looking for a 
job, or if there is a job but 

1145
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,520
100 people have applied to it 
and they're only taking two 

1146
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,520
people, you, you want to make 
sure that, like, you've kind of 

1147
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:01,960
set yourself up for success 
there. 

1148
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:07,040
But we also have from the 
unknown, so this would be from 

1149
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,280
your jinxes, your hexes. 
Again, nobody likes to use the 

1150
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:14,240
word witchcraft there, but 
they're very familiar with bane 

1151
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,640
forms of magic. 
So protection from jinxes, 

1152
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:22,120
hexes, Hanes, which is really 
just a play on the word hot. 

1153
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:28,080
It really means any spirit that 
would potentially, not 

1154
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,640
necessarily try to harm you, but
probably, but also like just try

1155
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,400
to hang out with you. 
So this could be anything from 

1156
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:38,360
like fairies to ghosts to 
negative spirits to anything. 

1157
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,480
So when we say haint, we just 
literally means anything that 

1158
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,040
can haunt you. 
I've never heard that term, 

1159
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,520
yeah. 
I have not. 

1160
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:52,080
You're saying that the last 
check paint HAINT. 

1161
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:59,920
I hate never heard that. 
That's not new. 

1162
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:01,920
Okay. 
Wait, so that's like a ghost? 

1163
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,560
Yeah. 
Or anything that would do a 

1164
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:08,520
haunting of some kind, right. 
So we could be talking about 

1165
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,760
spirits. 
We could be talking about. 

1166
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,720
I've seen like fairies included 
in this category, something that

1167
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,880
is unseen or unknowable but that
could like, potentially cause 

1168
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,320
you harm. 
And that includes maybe another 

1169
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,160
one you're not familiar with. 
Plat eyes. 

1170
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:29,240
You're like, how what? 
Bless you, Excuse you. 

1171
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,880
What are you saying? 
Plat eyes. 

1172
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,480
PLAT. 
Usually like a hyphen eyes. 

1173
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:43,120
And that one, It specifically 
comes from African culture, but 

1174
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,570
it's it. 
This is a more tangible mythical

1175
01:05:46,570 --> 01:05:49,370
creature. 
So this is typically a monster 

1176
01:05:49,490 --> 01:05:54,730
or a visible ghost of some form.
Again, the term comes from like 

1177
01:05:54,730 --> 01:05:58,170
sunken eyes. 
So something that is kind of 

1178
01:05:58,170 --> 01:06:01,130
really scary to look at, but but
you have to be able to see it, 

1179
01:06:01,130 --> 01:06:04,730
right, To know that it's scary. 
So something with sunken eyes. 

1180
01:06:05,010 --> 01:06:08,090
This would potentially be like, 
if you look into a Bush in the 

1181
01:06:08,090 --> 01:06:11,090
night and you see like, scary 
eyes, that'd be a plot eye. 

1182
01:06:11,770 --> 01:06:15,370
And then then things we're more 
familiar with, right the devil, 

1183
01:06:15,370 --> 01:06:19,450
Satan, evil, and general 
creatures of the woods. 

1184
01:06:19,530 --> 01:06:22,610
We'll talk a little bit about 
how to protect yourself from the

1185
01:06:22,850 --> 01:06:25,610
the creatures of the woods. 
And I don't mean the deer and 

1186
01:06:25,610 --> 01:06:28,370
the bear. 
I mean, like the things that are

1187
01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:31,170
coming to get you for for real 
from the spiritual realm. 

1188
01:06:31,410 --> 01:06:33,450
Nowadays that includes ticks, 
right? 

1189
01:06:36,690 --> 01:06:39,220
Does those things are awful. 
You just have to. 

1190
01:06:39,780 --> 01:06:43,300
If you live in the South, 
there's just a really lot better

1191
01:06:43,300 --> 01:06:46,260
chance that Lyme's disease is 
just hanging out. 

1192
01:06:46,260 --> 01:06:49,300
There's a new disease that's 
caused by ticks. 

1193
01:06:49,420 --> 01:06:51,620
Yeah, I cannot. 
While you keep talking, I 

1194
01:06:51,620 --> 01:06:53,740
cannot. 
To give you a new thing to fear.

1195
01:06:53,940 --> 01:06:54,980
Really great. 
I love that. 

1196
01:06:54,980 --> 01:06:57,300
Well, then let's talk about the 
unknown. 

1197
01:06:57,300 --> 01:07:01,820
But the good things that we want
to protect us and that would be 

1198
01:07:01,820 --> 01:07:04,060
kind of wanting favor from the 
unknown. 

1199
01:07:04,060 --> 01:07:06,820
So this would be your land 
spirits, right? 

1200
01:07:06,820 --> 01:07:09,860
Wanting them to be on your side,
working with you particularly if

1201
01:07:09,860 --> 01:07:12,100
you're doing something 
agricultural, you want those 

1202
01:07:12,100 --> 01:07:15,630
land spirits to like provide you
favor and help you prosper. 

1203
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:19,430
The Holy Ghost, right. 
All the Christians want the Holy

1204
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:22,550
Ghost on their side because if 
if it's not on your side and 

1205
01:07:22,550 --> 01:07:25,070
then the devil's on your side 
and you lost, you lost that 

1206
01:07:25,070 --> 01:07:26,790
battle. 
So I don't want that. 

1207
01:07:27,030 --> 01:07:30,710
And then your ancestors, right. 
So they are also the intangible.

1208
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:35,630
So wanting those to be on your 
side to to have their favor, 

1209
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:40,430
which kind of by familial 
relations, that's that's just 

1210
01:07:40,430 --> 01:07:42,510
kind of expected. 
But there's always things you 

1211
01:07:42,510 --> 01:07:45,830
can do, you know, to butter up 
your ancestors, you know, please

1212
01:07:45,830 --> 01:07:49,390
refer back to our podcast on an 
ancestral veneration. 

1213
01:07:50,590 --> 01:07:51,750
All right. 
And then I'm going to jump into 

1214
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:55,190
health will be, which will be 
the perfect time for you to come

1215
01:07:55,190 --> 01:08:00,390
back with your pic information. 
When we talk about health, we're

1216
01:08:00,390 --> 01:08:04,870
talking about little access to 
mundane medical practice. 

1217
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:10,660
And because of that kind of 
plant magic and and medicinal 

1218
01:08:10,660 --> 01:08:13,940
magic really came to the 
forefront because a lot of these

1219
01:08:13,940 --> 01:08:17,140
people had the one, there's an 
abundance of plant life. 

1220
01:08:17,140 --> 01:08:19,700
I don't know the numbers. 
I just know there is a wild 

1221
01:08:19,700 --> 01:08:24,340
amount of plant life that exists
in Appalachia from like top to 

1222
01:08:24,340 --> 01:08:27,500
bottom. 
And so there's a ton of stuff 

1223
01:08:27,540 --> 01:08:29,300
out there. 
But on top of that, there's all 

1224
01:08:29,300 --> 01:08:33,109
these people who have all of 
this really arcane knowledge 

1225
01:08:33,109 --> 01:08:35,109
about these plants. 
They know how to use every 

1226
01:08:35,109 --> 01:08:36,750
little bit of it. 
They know what it's good for. 

1227
01:08:36,750 --> 01:08:38,790
They know what it's worked for. 
They know what it doesn't work 

1228
01:08:38,790 --> 01:08:42,550
for. 
And so that really led to a lot 

1229
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:47,910
of people kind of rejecting 
maybe modern Western medicine in

1230
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:49,229
those areas. 
One, because they didn't have 

1231
01:08:49,229 --> 01:08:51,270
access to it too, because they 
didn't have the money to afford 

1232
01:08:51,270 --> 01:08:53,390
it. 
But three, because there's a guy

1233
01:08:53,390 --> 01:08:56,069
down the street who can make a 
gargle that works just as well 

1234
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:58,550
as any antibiotic. 
I don't want to take those 

1235
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:59,950
pills. 
I don't even know what's in 

1236
01:08:59,950 --> 01:09:02,510
those pills. 
That's just, you know, the 

1237
01:09:02,510 --> 01:09:05,350
pharmaceutical version of these 
St. drugs that are out here, 

1238
01:09:05,470 --> 01:09:08,830
right? 
Very, very familiar conversation

1239
01:09:08,830 --> 01:09:11,710
I think I've had with several 
people who live out there when 

1240
01:09:11,710 --> 01:09:13,910
I'm just like, no, but please 
take your antibiotics. 

1241
01:09:14,109 --> 01:09:19,270
But they really are the best way
for you to not actually end up 

1242
01:09:19,270 --> 01:09:21,550
with scarlet fever. 
So please take your antibiotics 

1243
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:27,390
and then we get into kind of the
use of food as medicine, So 

1244
01:09:27,390 --> 01:09:33,470
feeding the body and in a way 
that would maybe create 

1245
01:09:33,470 --> 01:09:35,790
prosperity, but for the most 
part, keep people healthy and 

1246
01:09:35,790 --> 01:09:38,950
well, right there because of 
what was grown there. 

1247
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:42,189
Depending on where you're from, 
you maybe had some nutritional 

1248
01:09:42,189 --> 01:09:47,470
deficiencies, you maybe didn't 
have access to the best foods. 

1249
01:09:48,109 --> 01:09:53,950
And so using food with intent 
for the body to keep it well was

1250
01:09:53,950 --> 01:09:58,550
definitely kind of a main focus 
of of food, not just as physical

1251
01:09:58,550 --> 01:10:00,630
sustenance but as spiritual 
sustenance as well. 

1252
01:10:01,150 --> 01:10:06,710
And then we get into midwives, 
one of my favorite topics of 

1253
01:10:06,710 --> 01:10:13,390
witchcraft because it 100% was 
midwifery, especially in the 

1254
01:10:13,390 --> 01:10:18,160
times before modern medicine 
kind of became available to many

1255
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,880
rural places in Appalachia. 
Those those people are witches. 

1256
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,920
They were witches and the public
absolutely didn't want to call 

1257
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,720
them witches. 
So we called the midwives wife, 

1258
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:33,720
which I'm just saying very 
similar etymology and and mid as

1259
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:38,840
in they are communing between 
the place before and after 

1260
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,880
birth, right. 
So they are bringing lives 

1261
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:46,160
across that precipice into 
physical existence. 

1262
01:10:46,770 --> 01:10:51,490
And so they were often seen as 
kind of, again, this granny 

1263
01:10:51,490 --> 01:10:54,330
magic. 
It is kind of having this 

1264
01:10:54,330 --> 01:10:58,250
knowing and and being able to 
tell from the way that a person 

1265
01:10:58,250 --> 01:11:02,650
was laboring, being able to tell
like what was going on and what 

1266
01:11:02,650 --> 01:11:04,570
needed to happen and whether 
things were going well or not. 

1267
01:11:04,850 --> 01:11:06,970
Because when you. 
I mean, it's not like there are 

1268
01:11:06,970 --> 01:11:09,610
a whole bunch of men lining up 
to be midwives, right? 

1269
01:11:10,090 --> 01:11:13,140
Many of them were in the living 
room, like smoking some 

1270
01:11:13,140 --> 01:11:16,060
cigarettes, cracking jokes with 
their friends, while their wives

1271
01:11:16,060 --> 01:11:20,700
were often dying in their 
literal bedroom, like literally 

1272
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:26,300
dying of hemorrhages. 
And so midwives were and are 

1273
01:11:26,300 --> 01:11:29,580
still in many places 
practitioners of magic. 

1274
01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:33,020
And they are are using forms of 
meditation. 

1275
01:11:33,020 --> 01:11:34,940
If you think about breath work 
and stuff that we've talked 

1276
01:11:34,940 --> 01:11:37,820
about before with meditation, 
they were really using these 

1277
01:11:37,820 --> 01:11:42,390
practices to help aid people 
through labor, to help ensure 

1278
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:48,150
the next generation survived. 
So just saying, midwives, really

1279
01:11:48,150 --> 01:11:50,510
amazing, really amazing stuff. 
Have I looked into becoming a 

1280
01:11:50,510 --> 01:11:51,950
midwife? 
Absolutely. 

1281
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:58,310
Yes, I was like ooh, I think I 
hear a new career, except that 

1282
01:11:58,310 --> 01:12:02,270
in this wonderful healthcare 
system that we have here, I 

1283
01:12:02,270 --> 01:12:08,770
would probably immediately be 
sued and destitute because yeah,

1284
01:12:08,810 --> 01:12:13,890
it it is now seen as unsafe to 
labor at home, which in many 

1285
01:12:13,890 --> 01:12:17,450
cases I agree for the average 
person, I think it's a great, 

1286
01:12:17,450 --> 01:12:18,570
wonderful thing to do it at 
home. 

1287
01:12:19,450 --> 01:12:23,490
But I think midwives carry a lot
of responsibility and and 

1288
01:12:23,490 --> 01:12:26,050
liability in today's healthcare 
world. 

1289
01:12:26,370 --> 01:12:29,650
That I I don't know about that. 
I don't know. 

1290
01:12:29,690 --> 01:12:32,970
I don't know if I take that on. 
Big props, big respects to our 

1291
01:12:32,970 --> 01:12:36,200
midwives and doulas out there, 
but that's that's a little 

1292
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:37,840
outside of my scope of practice 
I think. 

1293
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,440
Yeah. 
I'm like, I can go on a tangent 

1294
01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:42,840
there about the safety of birth 
and hospitals. 

1295
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:45,600
Truly. 
Truly. 

1296
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,920
Yeah. 
Okay. 

1297
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:52,800
So just breaking that up. 
Fun fact, we got the babiosis. 

1298
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,490
That's the new tick disease. 
What happened? 

1299
01:12:56,610 --> 01:13:01,570
The CDC okay. 
So March 2023 CDC report shows 

1300
01:13:01,570 --> 01:13:06,570
that babbiosis now has a 
foothold in 10 states, but this 

1301
01:13:06,570 --> 01:13:10,370
is in the Northeast and Midwest,
so that would fall into the 

1302
01:13:10,730 --> 01:13:13,250
Appalachian area. 
Yeah. 

1303
01:13:13,250 --> 01:13:17,330
It's it's it's a fatal you know 
moment that's happening 

1304
01:13:18,370 --> 01:13:19,530
response. 
I don't know too much about it, 

1305
01:13:19,530 --> 01:13:23,090
but definitely you know if 
you're. 

1306
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:28,870
If you have the Constitution to 
learn about yet another disease.

1307
01:13:29,630 --> 01:13:33,630
But yeah, ticks. 
Let's do some spells against 

1308
01:13:33,630 --> 01:13:37,910
them, because that's terrifying.
Yeah, I listen. 

1309
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:40,310
I know that there's this belief 
that everything has its place in

1310
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:44,230
the ecosystem. 
Why would the mosquitoes and the

1311
01:13:44,230 --> 01:13:46,710
ticks? 
I don't What are they doing for 

1312
01:13:46,710 --> 01:13:52,190
the world that is beneficial. 
Well, I could tell you about the

1313
01:13:52,190 --> 01:13:56,950
biggest threat to humanity, 
which is humans, and they're 

1314
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:59,830
trying to regulate the human 
population, but that's a whole 

1315
01:13:59,830 --> 01:14:04,630
nother tangent. 
Yeah, we probably are worse for 

1316
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:07,230
the world than mosquitoes and 
ticks, but for me personally, 

1317
01:14:07,230 --> 01:14:09,430
I'm like, where do they fit in 
the ecosystem that they are so 

1318
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:11,200
important? 
Because it kind of seems like 

1319
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,720
there's too many of them and 
that they are causing havoc. 

1320
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:18,000
No, I I literally think that 
they're the response to our 

1321
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,080
treatment of our resources. 
So that's how they fit in. 

1322
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,880
They're really the warriors in 
this and probably the the, the 

1323
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:29,240
superheroes in this whole 
narrative of human existence. 

1324
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:31,480
Next topic, Danny. 
Next topic. 

1325
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,240
I'm feeling very dark today. 
I'm loving this. 

1326
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:42,170
Yeah, Okay, you stop over there 
with your Scorpio energy, cut it

1327
01:14:42,170 --> 01:14:45,210
out. 
So then we want to get into kind

1328
01:14:45,210 --> 01:14:49,650
of money and opportunity. 
So if again I have this belief 

1329
01:14:50,210 --> 01:14:52,850
go with go with me on a on a 
journey real quick, right 

1330
01:14:52,850 --> 01:14:56,450
through kind of money and 
opportunity in Appalachia. 

1331
01:14:57,010 --> 01:15:01,250
So a lot of these people moved 
into the mountains because land 

1332
01:15:01,250 --> 01:15:04,010
was super cheap up there, right.
It's rocky soil. 

1333
01:15:04,010 --> 01:15:07,230
It's often hard to farm. 
It was super cheap and so a lot 

1334
01:15:07,230 --> 01:15:10,190
of people immigrated to these 
areas and or were enslaved and 

1335
01:15:10,190 --> 01:15:13,230
forced to come to these areas 
and then ended up in the 

1336
01:15:13,230 --> 01:15:15,990
mountains because it's the only 
place they could afford land. 

1337
01:15:16,510 --> 01:15:18,430
Some people end up in the 
mountains because they were 

1338
01:15:18,430 --> 01:15:23,680
trying to avoid. 
The law, getting in jail for 

1339
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,320
their debts, whatever. 
So there are a lot of people up 

1340
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,800
there who, and when I say a lot,
were really spread out and far 

1341
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,200
apart. 
And because of that, it wasn't 

1342
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:36,200
like there was really a 
capitalistic economy up there. 

1343
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:40,720
A lot of people were very much 
hand to mouth just trying to get

1344
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,820
by and a lot of people were 
operating in, in a form of a 

1345
01:15:44,820 --> 01:15:48,260
gift economy. 
So hey, if you will will pull 

1346
01:15:48,260 --> 01:15:52,180
this tooth for me, then I'll 
give you X amount of food, 

1347
01:15:52,420 --> 01:15:53,740
right. 
And that's kind of how things 

1348
01:15:53,740 --> 01:15:56,300
were operating up there. 
Still transactional, but 

1349
01:15:56,300 --> 01:15:58,420
sometimes in kind of a gift 
economy where you helped your 

1350
01:15:58,420 --> 01:16:00,620
neighbor out because you had a 
surplus and they didn't have any

1351
01:16:00,620 --> 01:16:04,420
and you made it work. 
So we had this lack of jobs and 

1352
01:16:04,420 --> 01:16:08,420
opportunity and then in comes 
coal mining. 

1353
01:16:08,580 --> 01:16:12,740
And as a coal miner's 
granddaughter, it absolutely 

1354
01:16:13,380 --> 01:16:17,580
probably led to me being here 
because those opportunities were

1355
01:16:17,580 --> 01:16:20,700
there to supply a life for five 
children. 

1356
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:27,060
And in the same way it has 
absolutely devastated the people

1357
01:16:27,060 --> 01:16:30,860
and the natural resources there.
So we went from no jobs and 

1358
01:16:30,860 --> 01:16:33,660
opportunity to a burst of jobs 
and opportunity where 

1359
01:16:33,660 --> 01:16:35,820
everybody's working in the coal 
mines, everybody who's anybody's

1360
01:16:35,820 --> 01:16:38,540
working the coal mines. 
And they're good jobs, but still

1361
01:16:38,540 --> 01:16:41,060
to this day they're good jobs. 
You make really good money. 

1362
01:16:41,060 --> 01:16:43,420
You maybe don't see your family 
as often as you like to, but you

1363
01:16:43,420 --> 01:16:47,540
make good money. 
You might have some lung cancer 

1364
01:16:47,540 --> 01:16:51,740
later. 
Yeah, but and and still, I mean,

1365
01:16:51,740 --> 01:16:54,340
I still know people who live up 
there who are coal miners and 

1366
01:16:55,020 --> 01:16:57,460
they're not wearing their masks.
They're coming home and their 

1367
01:16:57,460 --> 01:16:59,300
faces are fully black. 
And I'm like, that's it. 

1368
01:16:59,300 --> 01:17:00,780
Your lungs. 
Like, you know what I mean? 

1369
01:17:00,780 --> 01:17:03,060
It's awful, but. 
I really appreciate when you 

1370
01:17:03,060 --> 01:17:06,140
said the cool minds. 
My mind instantly went Dun Dun 

1371
01:17:06,140 --> 01:17:07,700
Dun. 
But then you're like, it's the 

1372
01:17:07,700 --> 01:17:10,180
reason I'm here. 
And I was like, oh that's yeah, 

1373
01:17:10,300 --> 01:17:12,940
right. 
Everything has its shadow and 

1374
01:17:12,940 --> 01:17:17,500
its light side. 
So, yeah, and it's it's one of 

1375
01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:21,100
those things and it's why we, 
when we're having these 

1376
01:17:21,140 --> 01:17:24,880
discussions about coal mining 
and the devastation it really 

1377
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,080
has created an Appalachia. 
And I can really only speak for 

1378
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:33,400
the Blue Ridge Mountains. 
It's so easy to say, well, well,

1379
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,800
they shouldn't have done that. 
Well, what else were they were 

1380
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:40,320
supposed to do, what they had 
resources and these resources 

1381
01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:42,760
were able to keep their families
from dying. 

1382
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:46,960
So what that's the logistical 
path of least resistance, right.

1383
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,440
Is it right or wrong? 
I think that's the wrong 

1384
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:51,240
question. 
I think the question is what do 

1385
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:55,930
we do about it now. 
But I it created money and 

1386
01:17:55,930 --> 01:17:57,850
opportunity but also devastated 
the land. 

1387
01:17:58,130 --> 01:18:02,410
So now we're coming back into 
the the birth, death, rebirth 

1388
01:18:02,410 --> 01:18:06,610
cycle where we're getting back 
to the where there is a lack of 

1389
01:18:06,610 --> 01:18:10,330
opportunity because we're not 
hiring as many coal miners that 

1390
01:18:10,330 --> 01:18:12,130
that has slowed down. 
It still exists. 

1391
01:18:12,130 --> 01:18:14,970
There's still plenty of people 
who are coal mining families and

1392
01:18:14,970 --> 01:18:17,370
all of that up there. 
But it it has really reached the

1393
01:18:17,370 --> 01:18:20,290
slowdown. 
So now there's this loss of jobs

1394
01:18:20,290 --> 01:18:23,780
and opportunity, and what has 
swooped in to replace it is the 

1395
01:18:23,780 --> 01:18:29,220
opioid crisis, whether you are a
dealer, a seller, a doctor with 

1396
01:18:29,220 --> 01:18:34,780
a script pad filling that out. 
And and now, now there's this 

1397
01:18:34,780 --> 01:18:38,860
resurgence of what people need 
to make ends meet, if they can 

1398
01:18:38,860 --> 01:18:41,260
sell some of their prescription 
pills to do that. 

1399
01:18:41,940 --> 01:18:43,940
Totally. 
You know, Right, wrong or 

1400
01:18:43,940 --> 01:18:47,050
indifferent it. 
It is what it is. 

1401
01:18:47,210 --> 01:18:50,650
Yeah. 
And so in in the same way that I

1402
01:18:50,650 --> 01:18:56,330
feel like nature is neither 
right or wrong, it also has no 

1403
01:18:56,330 --> 01:19:02,130
sense of judgment in a lot of 
ways in that things are going to

1404
01:19:02,130 --> 01:19:05,370
be hunted, things are going to 
be preyed upon, lives are going 

1405
01:19:05,370 --> 01:19:06,810
to start and lives are going to 
end. 

1406
01:19:07,250 --> 01:19:10,570
And and in the same way, 
Appalachia has experienced that 

1407
01:19:10,570 --> 01:19:14,790
in in opportunities. 
And so when we talk about magic 

1408
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:19,950
in this area, a lot of it is 
accepting the good with the bad,

1409
01:19:20,430 --> 01:19:23,230
right. 
So I'm willing to do this 

1410
01:19:23,230 --> 01:19:26,710
working to get this job that I 
know will probably kill me in 

1411
01:19:26,710 --> 01:19:31,430
the long run, but it will keep 
my family and others safe and 

1412
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:34,350
give them security. 
And and a lot of the magic 

1413
01:19:34,350 --> 01:19:37,070
there, which we'll talk about a 
little bit later is is about 

1414
01:19:37,070 --> 01:19:40,470
sacrifice and is about the the 
mundane practical part of of 

1415
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:42,980
giving it your all. 
We'll talk a little bit about 

1416
01:19:42,980 --> 01:19:47,060
bootstrap theory because that's 
that's the thing that's the 

1417
01:19:47,060 --> 01:19:49,060
theory, that's where it comes 
from. 

1418
01:19:49,060 --> 01:19:52,500
And so when we talk about money 
and opportunity, a lot of the 

1419
01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:56,940
workings for this are to stay 
alive like literally to stay 

1420
01:19:56,940 --> 01:20:00,180
alive. 
Again, it's it's not about your 

1421
01:20:00,180 --> 01:20:03,700
your morality of it it it's just
to make those ends meet. 

1422
01:20:04,290 --> 01:20:08,370
Danny, we're going into a 
sociological exploration of 

1423
01:20:08,370 --> 01:20:13,370
class and through the lens of 
magic, I am here for this. 

1424
01:20:14,370 --> 01:20:19,570
Your Appalachia is really like a
microcosm of society as a 

1425
01:20:19,570 --> 01:20:21,170
greater whole. 
And I think if we wanted to 

1426
01:20:21,170 --> 01:20:24,970
explore the the again, this is 
just me nerding out for a 

1427
01:20:24,970 --> 01:20:27,090
second. 
But if we wanted to explore 

1428
01:20:27,410 --> 01:20:30,570
America's fetishizing of 
capitalism. 

1429
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:34,470
Appalachia is the exact place to
mark that because it is 

1430
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:38,270
literally Appalachia's downfall.
But we can't stop buying into 

1431
01:20:38,270 --> 01:20:42,310
it, because to stop buying into 
it means to kill ourselves. 

1432
01:20:43,150 --> 01:20:46,510
And it's it is. 
It is the perfect microcosm of 

1433
01:20:46,510 --> 01:20:48,910
what is happening in America, in
my opinion. 

1434
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:54,510
Super interesting. 
So then we move towards control.

1435
01:20:55,070 --> 01:20:56,950
Ooh, and I'm going to ruffle 
some feathers with this one, but

1436
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:58,830
y'all stick with me. 
Okay, I promise. 

1437
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:00,840
I have some good points to make 
here. 

1438
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:04,520
So when I'm say control, I 
literally mean that. 

1439
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:09,520
I mean that from a societal, 
individualist perspective. 

1440
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:15,360
So control within our lives. 
This has kind of changed as time

1441
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:17,280
has gone on. 
But your home and your hearth 

1442
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:20,960
was a sacred place. 
It was the place that you 

1443
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,840
created. 
It was a place of all of your 

1444
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:27,660
possessions in the world. 
Nobody had summer homes, so it's

1445
01:21:27,660 --> 01:21:29,900
not like you had important 
things stored elsewhere. 

1446
01:21:29,900 --> 01:21:34,100
You had storage spaces like it 
was your life was at home. 

1447
01:21:34,100 --> 01:21:37,300
Everything that you had both 
physically, tangibly acquired 

1448
01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:39,260
and everything that meant 
something to you was in your 

1449
01:21:39,260 --> 01:21:41,380
home. 
And so it was very much a sacred

1450
01:21:41,380 --> 01:21:43,580
place and is still a sacred 
place for people. 

1451
01:21:44,300 --> 01:21:49,180
If you have noticed the 
obsession with what is that 

1452
01:21:49,180 --> 01:21:54,820
target brand of home decor? 
And everyone's obsession. 

1453
01:21:54,820 --> 01:21:58,060
You know I'm talking about it. 
Joanna Gaines Oh Oh yeah, 

1454
01:21:58,340 --> 01:22:01,500
Magnolia. 
Something like that, and the way

1455
01:22:01,500 --> 01:22:04,100
like Southerners snatched that 
ish up. 

1456
01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:08,500
It's because this idea of of 
creating a space that is both 

1457
01:22:08,500 --> 01:22:14,140
beautiful but yet practical, 
still within me, still very much

1458
01:22:14,140 --> 01:22:20,140
part of my design style, is so 
important it it is creating your

1459
01:22:20,140 --> 01:22:25,300
own sanctuary. 
And so these people also had so 

1460
01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:29,740
little mundane control over 
their lives in general and what 

1461
01:22:30,620 --> 01:22:35,140
jobs they had available to them,
what kind of health concerns 

1462
01:22:35,140 --> 01:22:38,980
were kind of going around access
again to all these resources. 

1463
01:22:39,260 --> 01:22:42,540
And so again, if you could do 
something to increase your odds 

1464
01:22:42,540 --> 01:22:45,120
of success, you would. 
Right. 

1465
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:49,200
That so it was creating control,
probably lessening of just 

1466
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,400
general anxiety that when 
something didn't work out, you 

1467
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:55,040
could confidently say I did 
everything that I could, right? 

1468
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:58,560
And if you hadn't then you say 
shit, I should have done that 

1469
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,880
working, damn it, I knew I 
should have done that. 

1470
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:06,480
And then listen, follow me. 
Y'all within society, right? 

1471
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,000
So when you think about 
Appalachia and that these people

1472
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,880
were very spread out both 
culturally and. 

1473
01:23:15,270 --> 01:23:19,630
Geographically, really from each
other, there needs to be 

1474
01:23:19,630 --> 01:23:22,070
something that unites these 
people towards a common goal. 

1475
01:23:23,070 --> 01:23:28,150
And Christianity decided that, 
listen, we're not going to talk 

1476
01:23:28,150 --> 01:23:30,150
about witchcraft, but we're 
definitely going to put our 

1477
01:23:30,150 --> 01:23:35,710
influence into it and tell 
people create superstitions that

1478
01:23:35,710 --> 01:23:38,630
will force the kind of behavior 
we're looking for. 

1479
01:23:39,460 --> 01:23:43,020
And so we'll have some examples 
of this later, but it was really

1480
01:23:43,100 --> 01:23:45,580
creating standards of 
resolutions of concerns. 

1481
01:23:45,580 --> 01:23:49,260
So we don't like to involve the 
law y'all if we can avoid it. 

1482
01:23:49,780 --> 01:23:52,140
We do. 
And people get there. 

1483
01:23:52,620 --> 01:23:57,420
Just desserts just deserves is 
where that comes from. 

1484
01:23:57,700 --> 01:24:01,380
They don't like to involve the 
law because often the government

1485
01:24:01,380 --> 01:24:03,870
has shown. 
Again, microcosm of American 

1486
01:24:03,870 --> 01:24:08,950
Society, that they do not serve 
justice in the way that most 

1487
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:11,430
people in Appalachia believe 
justice should be served. 

1488
01:24:11,870 --> 01:24:15,710
And so the people would take 
justice in their own hands in 

1489
01:24:15,710 --> 01:24:20,750
the form of witchcraft, but 
again in the form of mundane 

1490
01:24:20,750 --> 01:24:25,830
sacrifice to create the world 
that they needed to live in and 

1491
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:29,130
be safe in. 
And then there's also assurance 

1492
01:24:29,130 --> 01:24:30,850
of the perpetuation of 
Christianity. 

1493
01:24:30,850 --> 01:24:34,050
So we'll talk about some 
practices, but if people are 

1494
01:24:34,050 --> 01:24:36,290
being born and you need people 
to come into the church and you 

1495
01:24:36,290 --> 01:24:38,530
need people to keep coming into 
the church, there are 

1496
01:24:38,530 --> 01:24:42,130
superstitions that would help 
that kind of happen and keep 

1497
01:24:42,130 --> 01:24:44,890
moving along. 
There's also, you know, the 

1498
01:24:44,890 --> 01:24:47,850
insurance of power balances or 
imbalances and making sure 

1499
01:24:47,850 --> 01:24:51,330
they're they are maintained, the
maintenance of gender norms, 

1500
01:24:51,890 --> 01:24:54,570
protection of the nuclear 
family, again, kind of all 

1501
01:24:54,570 --> 01:24:56,530
falling under these Christian 
values thing. 

1502
01:24:57,210 --> 01:24:58,570
And we'll talk about some of 
those later. 

1503
01:24:58,570 --> 01:25:02,370
And I think if I said that to 
somebody from Appalachia who is 

1504
01:25:02,370 --> 01:25:04,530
Christian, they'd be like, 
they're not doing that. 

1505
01:25:04,610 --> 01:25:06,490
No, they're not. 
Yeah, you are. 

1506
01:25:06,690 --> 01:25:09,570
Yeah, you are. 
I need you to follow me here. 

1507
01:25:09,850 --> 01:25:12,770
But yes, you did. 
And I'm going to highlight it 

1508
01:25:12,770 --> 01:25:15,570
for you so that you can maybe 
see it a little more clearly. 

1509
01:25:16,690 --> 01:25:18,130
All right. 
And then let's jump into 

1510
01:25:18,130 --> 01:25:21,810
actions, ma'am. 
This is already an hour and 30 

1511
01:25:21,810 --> 01:25:24,160
minutes. 
Whatever. 

1512
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:29,880
I listen to Chris Brennan's, you
know, podcast and he had a four 

1513
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:34,840
and a half hour long podcast. 
So, UGE player like, OK, you 

1514
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:36,680
know, All right, yeah. 
I hope. 

1515
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,760
I hope you guys are loving this 
and getting something out of it 

1516
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:40,000
and it's not. 
How do I pop to? 

1517
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:43,000
The other you know how in the 
future, right, I'm supposed to 

1518
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:44,880
cover astrology. 
What do you think that's going 

1519
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,200
to be like? 
You have to. 

1520
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:49,920
Split that up. 
You think you don't have to 

1521
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,080
split that up? 
I think that's OK. 

1522
01:25:52,650 --> 01:25:54,530
Should we split this up? 
I don't know. 

1523
01:25:57,050 --> 01:26:03,570
Nah, let's keep going. 
So getting into actions. 

1524
01:26:03,570 --> 01:26:07,610
So when we talk about the active
witchcraft, there is absolutely 

1525
01:26:07,610 --> 01:26:11,410
this belief that mundane work 
created value and that 

1526
01:26:11,410 --> 01:26:13,490
heightened the effectiveness of 
the working. 

1527
01:26:13,940 --> 01:26:17,420
So we often say, right, you have
to put the practical work into 

1528
01:26:17,620 --> 01:26:19,900
the spell work, right? 
If you're like, I want a job, 

1529
01:26:19,900 --> 01:26:21,780
but you're not applying any 
jobs, you're not going to get a 

1530
01:26:21,780 --> 01:26:24,500
damn job, right? 
So you have to put the mundane 

1531
01:26:24,500 --> 01:26:26,660
work into it. 
And that is very true. 

1532
01:26:26,660 --> 01:26:30,300
In Appalachia, there is this 
bootstrap theory, right, that 

1533
01:26:30,420 --> 01:26:32,420
well, if you do the work, the 
good things will come. 

1534
01:26:32,740 --> 01:26:35,140
And I feel like it's a very 
circular argument that. 

1535
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,960
Yeah, a lot of times when you do
the work, it is more likely that

1536
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,040
the thing will happen for you, 
Sure. 

1537
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:43,800
But some people can't do the 
work because of disability or 

1538
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,760
whatever. 
And those people are just damned

1539
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:50,720
to no opportunity like that 
doesn't you know, it it it's a 

1540
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:53,840
very circular argument to say 
everyone is able to do the work 

1541
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,440
and therefore they should. 
And if you do, then look at all 

1542
01:26:56,440 --> 01:26:58,520
these great things that happen. 
Great. 

1543
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,480
But we're forgetting that the 
initial component of like, what 

1544
01:27:01,480 --> 01:27:05,360
if you can't do the work right. 
But within witchcraft, it's kind

1545
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,360
of that same thing if you, if 
you want something to work, 

1546
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:10,800
you're going to have to put in 
the work to make it happen. 

1547
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:16,960
And so a good example of this 
was when my mom was in her 

1548
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:21,000
teens. 
And I know this because it's 

1549
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:22,480
very specifically of what 
happened. 

1550
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,120
Their house burned down like to 
the ground burned down. 

1551
01:27:26,770 --> 01:27:32,010
And my grandfather rebuilt the 
house himself, built the whole 

1552
01:27:32,010 --> 01:27:35,010
damn thing. 
And this happened when my mom 

1553
01:27:35,010 --> 01:27:38,010
was going to soon be graduating.
Her graduation robes were in the

1554
01:27:38,010 --> 01:27:41,090
house and he went back in to 
save her graduation robes 

1555
01:27:41,410 --> 01:27:44,290
because he didn't want her to 
like not have what she needed 

1556
01:27:44,290 --> 01:27:48,730
for graduation. 
And so then he rebuilt that that

1557
01:27:48,730 --> 01:27:54,410
house because of the belief that
if he built it and then my 

1558
01:27:54,410 --> 01:27:56,990
grandmother. 
Put her stuff into it to keep it

1559
01:27:56,990 --> 01:28:00,390
safe that it would not burn down
again, right. 

1560
01:28:00,790 --> 01:28:04,590
Nothing bad would happen to this
place again if we build it and 

1561
01:28:04,590 --> 01:28:07,910
make it ourselves. 
And so that kind of falls in 

1562
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:10,230
line with, you know, what we're 
doing. 

1563
01:28:10,230 --> 01:28:13,150
So next I'm going to kind of 
keep that same format of like 

1564
01:28:14,030 --> 01:28:17,430
why we do the witchcraft, so 
safety and protection and money 

1565
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:19,430
and opportunity and just kind of
talk through. 

1566
01:28:19,980 --> 01:28:23,260
Some things, some practices a 
little, a little bit, just a a 

1567
01:28:23,260 --> 01:28:27,020
surface glimpse of the things 
that I'm familiar with that I 

1568
01:28:27,020 --> 01:28:29,460
want to pass to you guys. 
So when we talk about safety, 

1569
01:28:30,340 --> 01:28:32,580
we're talking about those 
patterns, right, those patterns 

1570
01:28:32,580 --> 01:28:35,260
of things that we see. 
So we're talking about weather, 

1571
01:28:35,540 --> 01:28:38,140
so noticing the patterns and 
weather and when it's good to 

1572
01:28:38,140 --> 01:28:41,500
plant and all of those things. 
One of those is rain on your 

1573
01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:45,120
wedding day is a good sign. 
And it rained on my wedding day.

1574
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:48,840
It has rained on every important
day of my life. 

1575
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:52,680
Water is very important to me. 
It rained out my first outdoor 

1576
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:55,840
circle. 
It that has always been a sign 

1577
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:00,120
that gave me chills, Okay. 
It rained on my wedding day. 

1578
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,600
It rained on my graduation day. 
Our graduation had to be then 

1579
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,080
moved indoors because it had 
rained. 

1580
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:09,720
It rained on some of the 
experiences you and I have had. 

1581
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,480
With our outer court and those 
were all great experiences. 

1582
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,520
So that's kind of been just a 
constant thing in my life is 

1583
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:20,520
that rain is a good thing and 
and this is where it holds true 

1584
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:23,080
for me, is that right on your 
wedding day is a good sign for 

1585
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:31,200
the marriage animal behavior. 
So if a crow flies, depending on

1586
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:34,000
which direction it's flying, it 
can kind of define. 

1587
01:29:34,460 --> 01:29:37,740
Whether your answer is in the 
past or in the future, in the 

1588
01:29:37,740 --> 01:29:40,140
present. 
So let's say you're walking down

1589
01:29:40,140 --> 01:29:44,100
the street and the crow flies 
behind you, meaning it's coming 

1590
01:29:44,100 --> 01:29:45,660
from in front of you to behind 
you. 

1591
01:29:45,940 --> 01:29:49,220
It can mean that the answer is 
is actually in your past. 

1592
01:29:49,700 --> 01:29:52,100
So whatever you're working 
through, whatever your problem 

1593
01:29:52,100 --> 01:29:54,940
you're dealing with, the answer 
is actually in your past and you

1594
01:29:54,940 --> 01:29:57,340
need to to go back to that or 
draw from that. 

1595
01:29:57,820 --> 01:30:00,260
The crow flies in front of you 
from the back of your head to 

1596
01:30:00,260 --> 01:30:02,480
your front of your head. 
That your answer is actually in 

1597
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:06,280
the future, so maybe don't dwell
on it right now because you just

1598
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:09,400
don't have the answer right now,
but just know that it's coming 

1599
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:13,920
and then and and this is those 
two things were verified for me 

1600
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:15,960
in the stops and ditch water 
book. 

1601
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,120
But additionally for me. 
So this isn't just a forward and

1602
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:20,800
back thing. 
This is also a present thing 

1603
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:24,680
that I'm aware of is if a crow 
flies to your left, so your left

1604
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:28,880
hand side, it means that. 
You are going to receive the 

1605
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,200
answer and you're receiving 
receptive hand. 

1606
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:32,760
You're going to receive the 
answer soon. 

1607
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:38,600
So in this present and then if 
it flies to your right hand side

1608
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:43,720
that it means that you already 
have the answer, you just need 

1609
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,560
to apply it. 
So sometimes this can be like 

1610
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:48,050
saying. 
Bitch, do the thing. 

1611
01:30:48,690 --> 01:30:50,090
You know what the fuck you need 
to do? 

1612
01:30:50,090 --> 01:30:53,250
Just fucking do it. 
You're waiting for a sign or 

1613
01:30:53,250 --> 01:30:54,770
answer. 
Just do the damn thing, Okay. 

1614
01:30:54,930 --> 01:30:56,250
All right, well, let me ask you 
this. 

1615
01:30:56,290 --> 01:30:58,650
Walking this morning, my dog 
walking. 

1616
01:30:58,650 --> 01:31:02,930
My dog, Crow electrocuted on the
ground from the power lines. 

1617
01:31:02,930 --> 01:31:07,430
What does that mean? 
I think it means something's 

1618
01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:14,710
wrong with your crow. 
No, I was very like, where is my

1619
01:31:14,710 --> 01:31:16,470
Why don't I have my pocket knife
on me? 

1620
01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:10,910
I feel like they're a tune to 
that kind of thing. 

1621
01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:19,270
I want to take this foot. 
Oh my gosh. 

1622
01:31:21,480 --> 01:31:23,600
Probably would not. 
Well, I guess the bones would be

1623
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,160
good, but I was gonna say if it 
got electrified, it's probably 

1624
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,800
like smoldering or like 
destroyed. 

1625
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:30,560
I mean, I didn't see it get 
electrocuted. 

1626
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:33,000
It was just like round 
electrocuted actually in this 

1627
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:34,800
area. 
I've seen this happen a number 

1628
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,320
of times. 
Yeah, I love that. 

1629
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,800
So you actually use that, that 
crow. 

1630
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,440
Divination, Aviation, 
divination. 

1631
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:45,800
I love that aviation divination 
I think is. 

1632
01:31:46,570 --> 01:31:48,010
If it's not called that, it 
should be. 

1633
01:31:49,930 --> 01:31:52,210
And then when we get into people
behavior. 

1634
01:31:52,210 --> 01:31:56,450
So if someone for instance makes
a toast at A at a wedding, at an

1635
01:31:56,450 --> 01:32:00,090
event and then you've also heard
of people like clinking the 

1636
01:32:00,090 --> 01:32:03,450
glass. 
If you break the glass while 

1637
01:32:03,450 --> 01:32:05,090
clinking, you should not give 
the toast. 

1638
01:32:05,090 --> 01:32:06,410
You have given up your right to 
give toast. 

1639
01:32:06,410 --> 01:32:07,370
You're not allowed to give the 
toast. 

1640
01:32:07,370 --> 01:32:09,210
Now put it down. 
Stop it. 

1641
01:32:09,690 --> 01:32:12,330
But if you've made the toast and
then you go to toast people and 

1642
01:32:12,330 --> 01:32:14,250
you break your glass or shatter 
your glass. 

1643
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,440
Whatever you have toasted to is 
now reversed. 

1644
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,880
So if you are toasting to the 
good health and wealth of this 

1645
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:23,000
couple, you've just ruined their
wedding. 

1646
01:32:24,440 --> 01:32:27,080
Thank you so much for attending.
You're such a great guest. 

1647
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:28,720
I'm so glad we paid for your 
plate. 

1648
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:31,400
OK, yeah, no glass at the 
wedding. 

1649
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:36,800
Heard all plastic cups. 
Truly, it like I I feel like 

1650
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:39,720
very anxious when someone clinks
the glass with a knife. 

1651
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,640
Because I'm just like, OK, just 
maybe don't. 

1652
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:47,730
What if you just didn't? 
And then there's some that I'm 

1653
01:32:47,730 --> 01:32:51,170
sure people are familiar with. 
So like your ears tingling, 

1654
01:32:51,530 --> 01:32:53,570
Sometimes ringing, although 
ringing has a different 

1655
01:32:53,570 --> 01:32:56,530
connotation for me. 
But ears tingling means that 

1656
01:32:56,530 --> 01:32:57,810
somebody's talking about you, 
right? 

1657
01:32:58,370 --> 01:32:59,930
But you take that a step 
further. 

1658
01:32:59,930 --> 01:33:02,650
Left ear, if you're if you're 
tingling is only in your left 

1659
01:33:02,650 --> 01:33:04,250
ear, it means that someone's 
gossiping about you. 

1660
01:33:05,730 --> 01:33:07,810
But if it's in your right ear, 
it means that people are saying 

1661
01:33:07,810 --> 01:33:10,250
good things about you. 
So hopefully only right ear 

1662
01:33:10,250 --> 01:33:12,010
tingling. 
I definitely, yeah. 

1663
01:33:12,010 --> 01:33:15,880
I definitely grew up with the 
tingling ear one. 

1664
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:18,960
I hadn't heard the left and 
right thing. 

1665
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,160
I I'm not reading it forward in 
your notes. 

1666
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:24,840
Did you have the itchy hand? 
I didn't put it in here, but 

1667
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:26,920
yeah, left left hand is 
receiving money. 

1668
01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:29,360
Right hand is you about to lose 
a whole bunch of money, friend? 

1669
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:32,400
Yeah, yeah. 
And I think it doesn't apply to 

1670
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:34,080
your feet because maybe it just 
means you have athletes foot. 

1671
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:37,760
It's. 
Not they're actually going 

1672
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,680
anywhere. 
There are things in the book 

1673
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:44,210
about itchy feet, and I'm like, 
that's just hygiene. 

1674
01:33:44,930 --> 01:33:47,810
Yeah, probably. 
There's something. 

1675
01:33:47,810 --> 01:33:52,090
I read something about putting 
like a short nail into someone's

1676
01:33:52,090 --> 01:33:54,570
heel to see something. 
And I was like, that's just 

1677
01:33:54,570 --> 01:33:59,050
tetanus. 
Yeah, You're like don't get 

1678
01:33:59,050 --> 01:34:00,930
locked up by using this 
technique. 

1679
01:34:03,890 --> 01:34:08,330
And then there's if a baby gets 
teeth too early, it's a son. 

1680
01:34:08,330 --> 01:34:11,010
The mother will soon become 
pregnant again, right? 

1681
01:34:11,820 --> 01:34:14,540
And think about it like the baby
has teeth and the mom's like, 

1682
01:34:14,540 --> 01:34:16,020
you're not biting my nipples 
off. 

1683
01:34:16,140 --> 01:34:19,540
Absolutely no. 
So she's probably going to stop 

1684
01:34:19,540 --> 01:34:21,020
nursing that baby. 
So this is one of those 

1685
01:34:21,020 --> 01:34:23,060
practical ones where I'm like, 
she's probably going to stop 

1686
01:34:23,060 --> 01:34:25,300
nursing her baby. 
Her baby's no longer baby 

1687
01:34:25,300 --> 01:34:27,780
anymore. 
You miss having a little baby to

1688
01:34:27,780 --> 01:34:30,740
care for in the house, or 
probably toddlering, and so now 

1689
01:34:30,740 --> 01:34:32,220
you're going to have another 
baby soon. 

1690
01:34:32,780 --> 01:34:35,060
I wonder if there's something 
physiologically like if you're 

1691
01:34:35,060 --> 01:34:38,500
not nursing then you start 
ovulation. 

1692
01:34:38,820 --> 01:34:40,740
I think I've heard of that too. 
Yeah. 

1693
01:34:41,410 --> 01:34:42,490
Yeah. 
I don't know how the women's 

1694
01:34:42,490 --> 01:34:45,890
body works, apparently. 
I I don't know this vessel I'm 

1695
01:34:46,130 --> 01:34:47,770
occupying. 
Who knows? 

1696
01:34:47,770 --> 01:34:50,490
And. 
Then we have the seasons, right?

1697
01:34:50,490 --> 01:34:52,930
So making sure that you can kind
of gauge the seasons. 

1698
01:34:53,050 --> 01:34:56,370
Farmer Farmer's Almanac is 
really famous for being used not

1699
01:34:56,370 --> 01:34:58,970
just for planting and plotting 
and all of those things, but 

1700
01:34:59,530 --> 01:35:02,610
also from a witchcraft 
perspective, knowing how the 

1701
01:35:02,610 --> 01:35:05,050
seasons were going to change or 
kind of anticipating how the 

1702
01:35:05,050 --> 01:35:07,960
seasons were going to change. 
Could really define when you do 

1703
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:10,480
workings right. 
So if you're like I'm going to 

1704
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:13,760
sew when it says here the 
Farmers Almanac that March is a 

1705
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,800
good time to sew, then that's 
also when I'm going to do these 

1706
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:20,320
workings for prosperity and and 
for growth and for new 

1707
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,040
beginnings and those kind of 
things. 

1708
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:27,160
Then if we jump into protection,
so sewing red string into 

1709
01:35:27,440 --> 01:35:31,240
clothing to prevent any evil or 
misfortune from crossing that 

1710
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:32,920
person's path. 
So we talked in a previous 

1711
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:35,280
episode. 
About the versions of this I'm 

1712
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:38,680
familiar with. 
So putting your initials or your

1713
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:43,880
name and red thread, followed up
by my mom's method of just using

1714
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:49,320
a red sharpie because who has 
time for modern sewing so. 

1715
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:50,880
Practical. 
Yes. 

1716
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:52,840
That's a great adaptation. 
Love it. 

1717
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:58,680
And then that coal miners should
not return to the mine until a 

1718
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:02,640
deceased miner is laid to rest, 
rest, or they risk the same 

1719
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:05,500
fate. 
So especially if they died in a 

1720
01:36:05,500 --> 01:36:09,900
coal mining accident, no one was
to return to the mine until that

1721
01:36:09,900 --> 01:36:13,060
person was laid to rest. 
And that's just safety. 

1722
01:36:13,180 --> 01:36:14,700
That's that makes sense. 
Yeah. 

1723
01:36:14,940 --> 01:36:17,380
Yeah, but often what came from 
this, right? 

1724
01:36:17,380 --> 01:36:19,580
Because from a capitalist 
perspective, if you own the coal

1725
01:36:19,580 --> 01:36:21,140
mine, you're like, these people 
need to get back to work. 

1726
01:36:21,580 --> 01:36:27,100
Often the coal mine would pay 
for the person's funeral because

1727
01:36:27,260 --> 01:36:31,580
we want to get everybody back. 
To work as quickly as possible, 

1728
01:36:31,580 --> 01:36:33,340
right? 
So we talk about control and 

1729
01:36:33,340 --> 01:36:36,060
manipulation. 
That's what I'm talking about. 

1730
01:36:36,060 --> 01:36:39,140
Sorry, we're superstitious. 
Everybody's actually not 

1731
01:36:39,140 --> 01:36:41,340
striking right now. 
They're just being 

1732
01:36:41,340 --> 01:36:43,900
superstitious. 
So until you pay ooh, I love 

1733
01:36:43,900 --> 01:36:48,060
that. 
Mirrors being covered after the 

1734
01:36:48,060 --> 01:36:52,260
death of a person To not I, I 
don't know spell that but to 

1735
01:36:52,260 --> 01:36:54,740
alarm or confuse the leading 
spirit. 

1736
01:36:55,790 --> 01:36:58,270
I've talked about with you guys 
that like mirrors had a 

1737
01:36:58,270 --> 01:37:01,350
different connotation. 
In my house, mirrors were 

1738
01:37:01,350 --> 01:37:04,910
generally avoided at all times 
for the potential of being kind 

1739
01:37:04,910 --> 01:37:09,230
of put portals of the soul, but 
also portals for for spirit 

1740
01:37:09,230 --> 01:37:11,830
visitation. 
But this is that same concept, 

1741
01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:15,790
so that as the spirit is living 
the body, we don't want it to 

1742
01:37:15,790 --> 01:37:18,670
see itself in a mirror. 
And become alarmed. 

1743
01:37:18,670 --> 01:37:21,630
Maybe they don't realize that 
they're dead or confused and try

1744
01:37:21,630 --> 01:37:24,150
to go towards the mirror and in 
their leave. 

1745
01:37:24,790 --> 01:37:27,470
So we cover those mirrors that 
they can easily find their way 

1746
01:37:27,470 --> 01:37:30,070
in and out. 
It's very similar with some of 

1747
01:37:30,070 --> 01:37:32,550
the constructs of like leaving 
the back and the front door open

1748
01:37:32,550 --> 01:37:34,430
during these times to allow the 
spirit to leave. 

1749
01:37:34,830 --> 01:37:37,790
Also, again, practical magic, if
there's a dead person in there 

1750
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:40,470
and we're not embalming them, 
they're going to start to smell.

1751
01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:43,350
So you better open some windows 
and open the doors. 

1752
01:37:44,110 --> 01:37:46,510
And this is kind of gone a 
little bit by the wayside now 

1753
01:37:46,510 --> 01:37:48,950
that. 
Families often depend on like 

1754
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:52,550
funeral homes and things like 
that to come get their loved 

1755
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:58,550
ones to prepare them for burial.
Where before you used to do 

1756
01:37:58,550 --> 01:38:02,150
those practices in home, you 
would you would start the 

1757
01:38:02,150 --> 01:38:05,350
process of bathing, of cleaning,
of of dressing, of caring for 

1758
01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:07,710
that person. 
And if you didn't live near 

1759
01:38:07,710 --> 01:38:10,670
cemetery, you buried them on the
land itself. 

1760
01:38:10,670 --> 01:38:14,070
So families often took over 
those burial rights and so there

1761
01:38:14,070 --> 01:38:17,520
are a lot of. 
Different superstitions, 

1762
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:21,160
different workings and practices
that are having to do with kind 

1763
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:24,400
of taking care of your dead. 
This one is my favorite one 

1764
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:27,920
because it is absolutely true, 
and I feel like it kind of made 

1765
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:31,920
a resurgence online recently and
I didn't realize how many people

1766
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:33,680
thought that this was a bizarre 
concept. 

1767
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:35,440
I've always looked by these 
concepts in the woods. 

1768
01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:38,520
I don't know why everyone does, 
but if you hear your name in the

1769
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,000
woods, no, you didn't. 
No, you didn't. 

1770
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:44,120
Don't follow your name in the 
woods. 

1771
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:45,960
Who is calling your name in the 
woods? 

1772
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:48,360
Who knows your name and is 
calling it in the woods? 

1773
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:51,040
No, you didn't. 
No, you didn't. 

1774
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:52,440
And you keep walking. 
You don't. 

1775
01:38:52,440 --> 01:38:55,720
You don't even turn or make 
recognition to where you thought

1776
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:57,920
you heard your name. 
You just keep going. 

1777
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:01,120
So don't do that. 
You know, there would have been 

1778
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:05,800
far less fatalities and horror 
movies had they just had that 

1779
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:07,560
bit of knowledge. 
Right. 

1780
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:09,280
What? 
I thought that was just common 

1781
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:10,840
knowledge. 
People were like, yeah, if you 

1782
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:13,680
hear your names in the woods, if
you're hearing your name in the 

1783
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:18,000
woods, no, it's a no. 
You need to leave immediately. 

1784
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,800
Same thing if you hear something
particularly behind you that 

1785
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,600
does not sound like an animal. 
You don't acknowledge it. 

1786
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,520
You don't make eye contact with 
it. 

1787
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:31,280
You don't check to see what it 
is. 

1788
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:36,040
You just keep going. 
You be undisturbed as possible. 

1789
01:39:36,590 --> 01:39:38,590
You are not scared. 
We don't even start running. 

1790
01:39:38,750 --> 01:39:41,750
You just continue on your path 
as though there's actually not a

1791
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:43,790
hint behind you. 
No, there's not. 

1792
01:39:43,950 --> 01:39:46,190
You're just going to walk your 
happy ass out of the woods? 

1793
01:39:47,190 --> 01:39:50,190
There's never been an alien 
abduction in Appalachia because 

1794
01:39:50,190 --> 01:39:54,510
they just won't acknowledge it. 
They never slowed down to look. 

1795
01:39:54,990 --> 01:39:58,030
This is why only the cows are 
being abducted is because 

1796
01:39:58,350 --> 01:40:03,570
they're dumb cows are. 
Unbelievably dumb in my opinion.

1797
01:40:04,090 --> 01:40:06,570
Other people tell you they're so
bright and brilliant, they pick 

1798
01:40:06,570 --> 01:40:12,530
their nose with their tongues. 
Like, I y'all there's a reason 

1799
01:40:12,530 --> 01:40:16,090
you have to herd cows and it's 
because they're not very smart. 

1800
01:40:16,370 --> 01:40:19,650
They're not that smart and 
that's why they aliens keep 

1801
01:40:19,650 --> 01:40:21,050
taking them. 
I don't know what to tell you. 

1802
01:40:23,690 --> 01:40:27,890
And then some of you might be 
familiar with a bottle trees. 

1803
01:40:28,980 --> 01:40:31,420
I've known them called haint 
bottles. 

1804
01:40:32,060 --> 01:40:35,340
So those blue cobalt bottles 
that are like upside down on 

1805
01:40:35,340 --> 01:40:40,260
like a wire, usually wire like 
tree thing and it its purpose is

1806
01:40:40,260 --> 01:40:45,060
to catch the haints, right. 
So as the wind blows, again, 

1807
01:40:45,060 --> 01:40:46,780
these are spirits, right? 
They're kind of like moving 

1808
01:40:46,780 --> 01:40:50,660
through the air or fairies. 
They love that blue. 

1809
01:40:50,740 --> 01:40:52,900
That's a very alerting color, 
right? 

1810
01:40:52,900 --> 01:40:53,180
That's. 
Why? 

1811
01:40:53,180 --> 01:40:55,220
I don't like blue. 
See, I knew it. 

1812
01:40:55,380 --> 01:40:58,180
You're like, I'm not a haint, so
there's that. 

1813
01:40:59,230 --> 01:41:02,110
But yeah, the idea is that it 
captures those spirits and 

1814
01:41:02,110 --> 01:41:04,710
because the bottles are kind of 
turned down that they can't get 

1815
01:41:04,710 --> 01:41:08,190
their way back out. 
So those are kind of all along 

1816
01:41:08,190 --> 01:41:10,830
the lines of protection, 
protection from the scene and 

1817
01:41:10,830 --> 01:41:13,430
the unseen. 
I hope that that has helped you 

1818
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:17,630
guys navigate the woods a lot 
better because some of y'all be 

1819
01:41:17,630 --> 01:41:19,310
showing up missing and off the 
wait. 

1820
01:41:19,630 --> 01:41:22,510
Let me, Let me go through some 
of my the ones I'm taking away. 

1821
01:41:23,230 --> 01:41:26,710
Don't don't take any stray 
animals, because then you'll get

1822
01:41:26,710 --> 01:41:29,620
scabies. 
Don't listen. 

1823
01:41:29,660 --> 01:41:32,420
If if your name is called, keep 
walking. 

1824
01:41:32,740 --> 01:41:36,180
If you something is doesn't 
sound like an animal but doesn't

1825
01:41:36,180 --> 01:41:37,980
sound like something you know, 
keep walking. 

1826
01:41:38,740 --> 01:41:40,980
There's a lot of just keep 
walking. 

1827
01:41:42,500 --> 01:41:44,940
If you go to a crossroad, just 
keep walking. 

1828
01:41:45,580 --> 01:41:49,660
We are a big fan of of a fans of
the mind your fucking business 

1829
01:41:49,660 --> 01:41:54,220
club. 
Huge fans, huge fans. 

1830
01:41:54,860 --> 01:41:59,590
So then we get into health. 
So this is one I I probably up 

1831
01:41:59,590 --> 01:42:01,550
until the last two years, just 
kept to myself. 

1832
01:42:01,550 --> 01:42:07,030
Because people look at you funny
when you say this, but spit in 

1833
01:42:07,030 --> 01:42:09,350
your damn mop water. 
Spit in your mop water. 

1834
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:12,110
Just just try it just one time. 
Listen, just try it just one 

1835
01:42:12,110 --> 01:42:14,910
time. 
And then tell me that it doesn't

1836
01:42:14,910 --> 01:42:16,870
keep everyone in your house safe
from harm. 

1837
01:42:17,710 --> 01:42:21,510
That nobody gets sick, nobody 
gets sick when you spit in your 

1838
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:22,870
mop water. 
I don't know what to tell you. 

1839
01:42:22,870 --> 01:42:25,430
It just works. 
What if you have a virus? 

1840
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:28,000
Yeah. 
So when did my whole house get 

1841
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,160
the flu? 
When I didn't spit in my mop 

1842
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:34,240
water. 
Correlation, causation, 

1843
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:38,520
Superstition says causation 
100%. 

1844
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:40,720
Yeah, I don't. 
I don't tell you guys. 

1845
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:46,440
Anytime I have become 
unbelievably ill or or sick or 

1846
01:42:46,440 --> 01:42:50,040
needed surgery, I had some last 
mop water. 

1847
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:51,520
I don't know what to tell you. 
It's a thing. 

1848
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:54,200
Some people will pee in their 
mop water. 

1849
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:56,720
I feel like that's. 
Actually, more sanitary. 

1850
01:42:57,600 --> 01:42:59,400
Your urine is actually not 
sterile. 

1851
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:03,560
That is a common misconception, 
particularly if you're an ill 

1852
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:06,040
person. 
Your urine is not sterile in any

1853
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:10,480
way shape or form. 
The salts of salinity, if you 

1854
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:13,560
are absorbing enough sodium and 
all of that will keep it from 

1855
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:17,280
being out of control, but it is 
not in any way shape or form. 

1856
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:18,480
What about your tea? 
Sterile. 

1857
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:24,850
Can you cry into your I'm I'm 
sure many a woman in Appalachia 

1858
01:43:24,850 --> 01:43:29,450
has done such a thing. 
I cannot attest to its magical 

1859
01:43:29,450 --> 01:43:32,610
powers. 
But you sure felt good after 

1860
01:43:32,610 --> 01:43:34,370
crying into your mop water, I'm 
sure. 

1861
01:43:34,370 --> 01:43:37,050
And then just aggressively 
mopping the floor. 

1862
01:43:37,330 --> 01:43:38,690
I'm sure you felt better. 
Yeah. 

1863
01:43:40,410 --> 01:43:42,170
So yeah, spin your mop water. 
Just try it. 

1864
01:43:42,210 --> 01:43:44,250
OK? 
Are we doing witchcraft or not? 

1865
01:43:44,650 --> 01:43:47,530
All right, get on board. 
As Jalen Cross would say, spin 

1866
01:43:47,530 --> 01:43:50,320
the damn pee in the damn jar. 
Just are we doing witchcraft or 

1867
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:51,080
not? 
Get on board. 

1868
01:43:51,480 --> 01:43:58,360
Okay small white pebbles being 
rubbed again against warts or 

1869
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:02,600
like blisters or legions of any 
kind, and then placed in a bag 

1870
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:07,040
and left at the crossroads for 
someone to pick them up so that 

1871
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:09,480
your warts go away and you give 
them to somebody else. 

1872
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:16,080
Again, that transference. 
That transference. 

1873
01:44:17,390 --> 01:44:20,190
Again, I don't know how long 
wart juice. 

1874
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:22,150
That's not the technical term, 
but let's go with it. 

1875
01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:25,910
I don't know how long wart juice
can stay alive on a thing, but 

1876
01:44:26,070 --> 01:44:28,910
that might literally just be 
because you guys are spreading 

1877
01:44:28,910 --> 01:44:32,950
warts to each other through 
literal physical transference. 

1878
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:35,830
I don't know how that works. 
Don't you dare pick up a rocket 

1879
01:44:35,830 --> 01:44:39,310
across. 
Well, it'll be in a bag, and 

1880
01:44:39,310 --> 01:44:40,550
that's the thing, right? 
People are. 

1881
01:44:40,910 --> 01:44:43,070
It's not just like a Pebble. 
People will be like, oh, what's 

1882
01:44:43,070 --> 01:44:44,590
this cool bag? 
Weird. 

1883
01:44:44,590 --> 01:44:47,230
It just has pebbles in it. 
And I'm like, and you just got 

1884
01:44:47,230 --> 01:44:51,790
your little warts. 
That's unfortunate for me. 

1885
01:44:51,790 --> 01:44:54,110
Again, mind your fucking 
business. 

1886
01:44:54,110 --> 01:44:57,190
It's so simple. 
It's such a simple concept. 

1887
01:44:58,990 --> 01:45:04,870
Just don't do it right. 
Let's see the use of different 

1888
01:45:04,870 --> 01:45:07,430
dirts and waters to heal 
maladies. 

1889
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:10,830
So graveyard dirt. 
So say say someone is 

1890
01:45:10,830 --> 01:45:12,310
essentially in Hospice right 
there. 

1891
01:45:12,310 --> 01:45:14,110
There is no turn in the ship 
around. 

1892
01:45:14,350 --> 01:45:18,230
They are heading toward death. 
Use of graveyard dirt in your 

1893
01:45:18,230 --> 01:45:21,510
workings to help them kind of 
ease their suffering across that

1894
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:26,150
boundary would be a common 
practice, as well as moon water 

1895
01:45:26,230 --> 01:45:30,670
to soothe night terrors. 
Yeah, so then we get into money 

1896
01:45:30,670 --> 01:45:34,230
and opportunity. 
So again, taking that spitting 

1897
01:45:34,230 --> 01:45:37,950
in your your mop water thing to 
your shop to help you know get 

1898
01:45:37,950 --> 01:45:40,670
you some more prosperity. 
Urine is often used in this. 

1899
01:45:40,750 --> 01:45:42,870
For some reason. 
Urine is related to prosperity. 

1900
01:45:43,730 --> 01:45:46,130
I just can't imagine people 
really love being in your place 

1901
01:45:46,130 --> 01:45:48,530
if it smells like pee. 
But you sure you know? 

1902
01:45:48,810 --> 01:45:52,050
It's, it's gold. 
Maybe the color association. 

1903
01:45:52,210 --> 01:45:53,850
Yeah, I mean, hopefully it's not
gold. 

1904
01:45:53,850 --> 01:45:58,930
Hopefully we're hydrated, but it
could be gold and then carrying 

1905
01:45:59,330 --> 01:46:04,270
a sashet of green, any green 
stone and cinnamon to attract 

1906
01:46:04,270 --> 01:46:05,510
prosperity. 
So you're going that job 

1907
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:06,990
interview, stick it in your 
pocket. 

1908
01:46:07,310 --> 01:46:08,670
I'm sticking your little breast 
pocket. 

1909
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:11,510
It's often that things shirts 
that have a breast pocket, that 

1910
01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:15,190
there's a good luck Talisman or 
omen of some kind in that 

1911
01:46:15,190 --> 01:46:18,390
pocket. 
Similar kind of things with 

1912
01:46:18,390 --> 01:46:21,190
carrying lucky coins. 
So this is where I get the use 

1913
01:46:21,190 --> 01:46:26,350
of uncommon denomination for my 
Owen Altar is that that's a 

1914
01:46:26,350 --> 01:46:29,910
common thing of luck for where 
I'm from is carrying uncommon 

1915
01:46:29,910 --> 01:46:33,230
types of currency and using them
in those things. 

1916
01:46:33,230 --> 01:46:36,030
Same thing with hobo, hobo 
coins, are you familiar with 

1917
01:46:36,030 --> 01:46:40,710
those? 
So they were kinds of currency 

1918
01:46:41,030 --> 01:46:44,030
that were often give by people 
running the railroads, right. 

1919
01:46:44,030 --> 01:46:47,550
So we often came in contact with
hobos, but they they would 

1920
01:46:47,630 --> 01:46:50,670
essentially make coins to trade 
that they created their own damn

1921
01:46:50,670 --> 01:46:53,470
currency. 
It was very cool. 

1922
01:46:53,670 --> 01:46:55,550
But you can they they design 
them themselves. 

1923
01:46:55,550 --> 01:46:59,190
They have like really 
interesting artwork on them, so 

1924
01:46:59,190 --> 01:47:02,390
if you got a hold of a hobo coin
that you didn't have to like, 

1925
01:47:02,390 --> 01:47:05,470
use it for something, People 
often kept those and. 

1926
01:47:05,550 --> 01:47:08,830
Use them. 
Let's So there's a lot of 

1927
01:47:08,830 --> 01:47:11,990
terminate terminology that can 
be offensive, right? 

1928
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:13,150
Oh, for sure. 
Hobo. 

1929
01:47:13,150 --> 01:47:16,590
But Hobo was like, actually like
a culture of people who for sure

1930
01:47:16,590 --> 01:47:20,630
houseless and would travel. 
And there's It's not just like 

1931
01:47:21,390 --> 01:47:25,050
a. 
Flip it word for someone who is 

1932
01:47:25,050 --> 01:47:28,210
houseless. 
It's literally like a identity 

1933
01:47:28,250 --> 01:47:32,410
and a personnel. 
A person would say and identify 

1934
01:47:32,410 --> 01:47:34,210
in that way. 
And it wasn't necessarily 

1935
01:47:34,210 --> 01:47:35,610
derogatory. 
I mean, it certainly wasn't 

1936
01:47:35,610 --> 01:47:39,250
like, oh yay, you're brilliant 
and super well off, but it was 

1937
01:47:39,250 --> 01:47:44,260
also not a derogatory term. 
I think that's, yeah. 

1938
01:47:44,260 --> 01:47:47,660
And I think we came up with 
different versions of like maybe

1939
01:47:47,660 --> 01:47:51,900
more palatable uses, words to 
use like carpetbaggers or things

1940
01:47:51,900 --> 01:47:55,500
like that, but often by choice, 
right? 

1941
01:47:55,500 --> 01:47:57,820
These people didn't see a lot of
opportunity where they were. 

1942
01:47:58,060 --> 01:48:01,420
And so they would jump onto 
railroads and and jump on to 

1943
01:48:01,420 --> 01:48:03,580
open cars and go wherever they 
wanted to. 

1944
01:48:03,580 --> 01:48:06,260
I mean, when you think about 
during that time, travel was 

1945
01:48:06,260 --> 01:48:11,060
often determined by railroads. 
So people could go anywhere they

1946
01:48:11,060 --> 01:48:14,670
wanted, live out their travel 
dreams a lot of times for free 

1947
01:48:14,670 --> 01:48:18,430
because you're just hopping in 
an empty cart or hopping in like

1948
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:21,630
maybe someone would allow you 
passage because they're like, I 

1949
01:48:21,630 --> 01:48:23,750
don't have anything in this cart
anyways, yeah, you can hop on, 

1950
01:48:23,750 --> 01:48:27,270
just don't steal anything. 
And then they would go wherever 

1951
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:28,550
they wanted to go. 
And I mean it's. 

1952
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:31,270
Where they wanted times. 
In the times of like Great 

1953
01:48:31,270 --> 01:48:33,710
Depression, that happened to a 
lot of people. 

1954
01:48:33,710 --> 01:48:38,070
So it wasn't necessarily 
uncommon for people to navigate 

1955
01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:39,950
their lives in that way and 
hopefully they didn't have a 

1956
01:48:39,950 --> 01:48:42,390
family that they left. 
Hopefully. 

1957
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:45,710
You know, fingers crossed they 
were just explorers. 

1958
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:49,710
Reese Spirits is that's right. 
That's right. 

1959
01:48:49,710 --> 01:48:53,590
That's what we'll believe, yeah.
But yeah, hobo coins, and 

1960
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:54,870
they're still called that to 
this day. 

1961
01:48:54,870 --> 01:48:57,110
They were, they were literally 
designed by people who maybe 

1962
01:48:57,270 --> 01:49:00,430
didn't have currency but maybe 
had, you know, that maybe they 

1963
01:49:00,430 --> 01:49:01,910
worked at a scrap metal yard or 
something. 

1964
01:49:02,030 --> 01:49:05,270
They had a scrap of metal and so
they'd like chisel it and and 

1965
01:49:05,270 --> 01:49:07,950
they would draw these like 
pieces of art on them and some 

1966
01:49:07,950 --> 01:49:11,820
of them are quite funny and so 
they would they would use those 

1967
01:49:11,820 --> 01:49:15,580
as like good luck charms. 
If a bee lands on you and 

1968
01:49:15,580 --> 01:49:19,220
doesn't sting, you'll receive 
money and opportunity soon. 

1969
01:49:20,580 --> 01:49:25,500
There are a lot of things about 
bees in the South about like 

1970
01:49:25,500 --> 01:49:28,420
what what if a hive is failing 
what does that mean And all of 

1971
01:49:28,420 --> 01:49:32,860
those kind of things. 
But that one's I I know that one

1972
01:49:32,860 --> 01:49:37,940
to be something that I I've 
heard and that I I know to be a 

1973
01:49:38,020 --> 01:49:40,120
common concept. 
The horseshoe. 

1974
01:49:40,120 --> 01:49:42,280
Lots of people are familiar with
the horseshoe and horseshoe be 

1975
01:49:42,280 --> 01:49:44,480
associated with good luck. 
So much so that Lucky Charms 

1976
01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:46,080
took it, put on their box and 
all that stuff. 

1977
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:49,240
But a horse? 
A horseshoe being turned up 

1978
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:52,440
above the door. 
So depending on where you're 

1979
01:49:52,440 --> 01:49:54,760
from, this is one of those that 
changes depending on where 

1980
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:58,160
you're from. 
I always knew horseshoes to be 

1981
01:49:58,280 --> 01:50:02,000
upright above the door because 
it was capturing the luck and 

1982
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:05,080
like keeping it in the home, 
ensuring it doesn't run out. 

1983
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:08,640
But depending on where you're 
from, it may be turned downward 

1984
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:12,240
above a door. 
Because it is, it is losing its 

1985
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:14,720
luck, but it's sprinkling the 
luck on the people going through

1986
01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:17,600
the door. 
Again, both associations with 

1987
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:20,280
luck, but literally the opposite
converse of each other. 

1988
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:22,840
Yeah, I I've also been confused 
about that. 

1989
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:25,200
Maybe it's like in a public 
place you would want it to be 

1990
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:27,560
up, and then maybe in your home 
you'd want it to be down. 

1991
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:29,960
I don't know. 
Yeah, I I don't know. 

1992
01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:33,440
I I I've only seen them up until
the first time I saw one down I 

1993
01:50:33,440 --> 01:50:37,940
was like I hung your horseshoe 
wrong and and it's a it's a 

1994
01:50:37,940 --> 01:50:41,660
common thing in some places so 
control. 

1995
01:50:42,260 --> 01:50:48,220
So after having a baby, a mother
must go to the church first, you

1996
01:50:48,220 --> 01:50:50,260
know, because after when you're 
postpartum and you're just 

1997
01:50:50,260 --> 01:50:52,540
bleeding down your legs, the 
first thing you should be 

1998
01:50:52,540 --> 01:50:55,780
thinking about is going to the 
church, because you obviously 

1999
01:50:55,780 --> 01:50:58,960
need to be cleansed of your sin.
I don't know what your sin is. 

2000
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:01,240
I don't know what you did. 
You hopefully had a baby, not 

2001
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:04,080
out of wedlock I guess, or 
whatever, but you need to go to 

2002
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:10,640
be cleansed of your sin and and 
give thanks for the traumatic 

2003
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:11,800
experience you just went 
through. 

2004
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:16,240
That's not enraging at all. 
Yeah, I will give you one guess 

2005
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:19,720
where that one came from. 
The Christian Church, right? 

2006
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:22,120
That that one we can directly 
divine back. 

2007
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:26,360
Because it was called churching.
It was called churching. 

2008
01:51:27,380 --> 01:51:30,300
And again, it's it's a it's a 
witchcraft practice. 

2009
01:51:30,460 --> 01:51:34,020
It's a practice that many people
believe and still believe to 

2010
01:51:34,020 --> 01:51:36,300
this day that that's the first 
place you should go. 

2011
01:51:36,500 --> 01:51:40,420
And anywhere else that you go 
brings misfortune to everyone 

2012
01:51:40,420 --> 01:51:42,260
else, right? 
So nobody wants you to come to 

2013
01:51:42,260 --> 01:51:45,260
their house because if you come 
to their house, they're likely 

2014
01:51:45,260 --> 01:51:48,940
to be the next to be pregnant. 
And again, for a lot of people, 

2015
01:51:49,460 --> 01:51:54,220
pregnancy was not a positive 
thing all the time because it it

2016
01:51:54,220 --> 01:51:56,180
was literally putting your life 
on the line. 

2017
01:51:56,180 --> 01:51:58,620
It was a safety thing. 
And so if you already have a 

2018
01:51:58,620 --> 01:52:01,780
household of kids, don't you 
dare come to my house after 

2019
01:52:01,780 --> 01:52:04,140
having a baby. 
You better go to the church and 

2020
01:52:04,140 --> 01:52:06,140
get yourself cleanse first, 
right? 

2021
01:52:06,380 --> 01:52:11,140
So again, setting up the 
superstition that if you nobody 

2022
01:52:11,140 --> 01:52:14,300
in the community wants you to 
come to their house first, but 

2023
01:52:14,300 --> 01:52:17,620
the church welcomes you and 
wants you to come in to their 

2024
01:52:17,620 --> 01:52:20,740
house, same thing. 
Crossing of legs toward off 

2025
01:52:20,780 --> 01:52:23,280
evil, right? 
Don't want the devil entering 

2026
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:26,440
your vagina, so you better keep 
your legs crossed. 

2027
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:32,000
Again, it's it's manipulating 
control over people, 

2028
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:35,440
perpetuating gender norms, 
perpetuating Christianity, all 

2029
01:52:35,440 --> 01:52:37,520
of those things. 
You don't have to like it or 

2030
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:41,040
agree with it, but it is 
historically true, I'm going to 

2031
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:43,480
tell you. 
And then there's family gifts. 

2032
01:52:43,480 --> 01:52:47,440
So the belief that certain 
talents or aptitudes are spread 

2033
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:50,750
down family lines, sometimes by 
gender, right. 

2034
01:52:50,750 --> 01:52:54,750
So all the females in our family
have this gift but sometimes by 

2035
01:52:54,750 --> 01:52:58,630
birth order. 
So like all of the seventh sons 

2036
01:52:58,670 --> 01:53:04,070
of a family have this gift and 
then they would range really 

2037
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:08,310
from like blood stopping. 
So being able to if someone is 

2038
01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:12,910
hemorrhaging blood or there is a
wound being able to stifle that 

2039
01:53:13,910 --> 01:53:16,910
that bleeding. 
Again, often used by midwives. 

2040
01:53:16,910 --> 01:53:21,820
Often used during probably not 
the cleanliest of surgeries, but

2041
01:53:21,820 --> 01:53:24,700
necessary surgeries after a 
farming accident or something 

2042
01:53:24,700 --> 01:53:27,900
like that. 
Wart removers, people who were 

2043
01:53:28,220 --> 01:53:31,020
very tuned to removing this 
warts, sometimes through the 

2044
01:53:31,020 --> 01:53:33,260
means of these pebbles, but 
sometimes through the means of 

2045
01:53:33,260 --> 01:53:38,980
things like a cloth soaked in 
some kind of typically alcohol. 

2046
01:53:39,300 --> 01:53:43,180
Again dry it out. 
Very practical application, but 

2047
01:53:43,220 --> 01:53:48,260
other times in like herbal 
tinctures and things to then 

2048
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:52,200
take it off of the person and 
and remove it from them. 

2049
01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:57,360
Having the site or second site 
as it's often called and this 

2050
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:01,320
this one I'm familiar with. 
So it can be knowing that 

2051
01:54:01,320 --> 01:54:04,920
someone is pregnant. 
My mom knows when everyone is 

2052
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:08,440
pregnant and she has never been 
wrong. 

2053
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:11,520
She knew when I was pregnant 
with both of my kids. 

2054
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:15,200
At times when I was very 
unlikely to be pregnant, she 

2055
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:18,560
knew that I was pregnant. 
So I had my daughter very young.

2056
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:21,120
She called me up and she was 
like, are you pregnant? 

2057
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:24,720
And I was like, no. 
And then sure enough, 3 weeks 

2058
01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:26,480
later I found out I was pregnant
and I was like. 

2059
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:30,600
How does she know that? 
How does she know that she ran a

2060
01:54:30,600 --> 01:54:33,400
daycare for a really long time 
and she would knew, She would 

2061
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:35,960
know people were pregnant. 
And it became a running joke 

2062
01:54:35,960 --> 01:54:39,560
that she always knew when people
were pregnant, when they would 

2063
01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:43,800
drop their kids off before they 
were showing, before, she just 

2064
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:47,800
could tell that people were 
pregnant, anticipating danger 

2065
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:50,400
before it happens. 
Kind of that's a Raven style, 

2066
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:52,720
you know what I mean? 
Or she's like, oh, don't touch 

2067
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:55,680
that. 
And then something cataclysmic 

2068
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:58,240
happens and they're like, Oh my 
God, Raven just saved somebody 

2069
01:54:58,240 --> 01:55:01,880
from imminent danger, knowing 
when someone's health is 

2070
01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:04,480
failing. 
So being able to look at a 

2071
01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:07,120
healthy person who's maybe not 
symptomatic and being able to be

2072
01:55:07,120 --> 01:55:10,340
like are you feeling well like 
is everything okay with you 

2073
01:55:10,380 --> 01:55:13,460
something seems off and knowing 
that something is is going on 

2074
01:55:13,460 --> 01:55:16,500
there and being able to treat 
them having a green thumb. 

2075
01:55:17,100 --> 01:55:22,660
So farmers again probably just 
practical but being able farmers

2076
01:55:22,660 --> 01:55:25,740
kind of spreading this knowledge
and and their superstitions and 

2077
01:55:25,740 --> 01:55:29,980
their patterns of thought to 
children and it kind of being a 

2078
01:55:29,980 --> 01:55:33,500
thing that like these families 
were known for being really good

2079
01:55:33,500 --> 01:55:38,700
farmers are really good kind of 
green thumb people, dreamwalking

2080
01:55:38,700 --> 01:55:42,380
so prophetic dreaming sometimes 
sleepwalking or sleeptalking 

2081
01:55:43,300 --> 01:55:46,980
often it was believed that these
were not disorders of sleeping 

2082
01:55:47,220 --> 01:55:51,780
these were gifts of sleeping And
as a prophetic sleepwalker. 

2083
01:55:52,020 --> 01:55:53,820
No it's not. 
No it's not. 

2084
01:55:54,740 --> 01:55:58,420
No it's not. 
It's terrible because you wake 

2085
01:55:58,420 --> 01:56:01,500
up and you disturb everyone and 
you don't get good sleep. 

2086
01:56:01,900 --> 01:56:07,020
But I do have very vivid dreams 
where like I will remember them 

2087
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:14,000
forever because my my brain on a
sleep pattern scale doesn't 

2088
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:19,400
enter the the realm of sleep 
where it's kind of like not 

2089
01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:21,880
remembering where you where you 
like to wake up from like a 

2090
01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:24,080
trance state and you just don't 
really remember what happened. 

2091
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:28,320
It's My brain remembers these 
things because I am more 

2092
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:32,360
conscious in these phases of 
sleep than I should be when 

2093
01:56:32,360 --> 01:56:34,760
dreaming. 
I feel like we should do a whole

2094
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:38,580
episode on On Dreams and sleep. 
You would have a lot to say. 

2095
01:56:38,740 --> 01:56:42,540
I would have so many thoughts. 
I am very good at sleeping, so I

2096
01:56:42,540 --> 01:56:44,980
don't know that I have a lot to 
say, but I'm a huge fan. 

2097
01:56:46,820 --> 01:56:50,140
And then we get into cooking, 
right? 

2098
01:56:50,500 --> 01:56:52,180
Cooking's a big part of 
Appalachian culture. 

2099
01:56:52,940 --> 01:56:56,260
One because now that we have 
maybe gotten some prosperity and

2100
01:56:56,260 --> 01:56:59,260
have some more resources, we 
love to make things taste good, 

2101
01:56:59,420 --> 01:57:00,700
right? 
We got some access to some 

2102
01:57:00,700 --> 01:57:04,650
seasonings, love good food. 
We also like gathering and 

2103
01:57:04,650 --> 01:57:06,810
sharing that food with each 
other and sharing that 

2104
01:57:06,810 --> 01:57:10,850
prosperity in a very physical 
sense but also in a spiritual 

2105
01:57:10,850 --> 01:57:13,290
sense. 
And so you're often expected 

2106
01:57:13,290 --> 01:57:15,730
anytime there's a gathering to 
bring some kind of covered dish.

2107
01:57:15,970 --> 01:57:19,930
And often those dishes were 
associated with the the event 

2108
01:57:19,930 --> 01:57:21,810
itself. 
So I think a lot of people are 

2109
01:57:21,810 --> 01:57:26,050
now familiar with like funeral 
potatoes and that those that 

2110
01:57:26,050 --> 01:57:29,880
that dish, what? 
Oh, OK, so you're not familiar 

2111
01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:33,040
with potatoes. 
So it's potatoes now, it's 

2112
01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:37,040
cooked in a lot of like cheese 
and and stuff, but back then you

2113
01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:42,080
only made them for funerals 
because cheese and milk and all 

2114
01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:45,000
of those things. 
Butter, unless you were someone 

2115
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:47,640
who was a farmer, was very 
expensive. 

2116
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:51,920
And so you would only make them 
essentially as an offering to 

2117
01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:55,400
the dead as sustenance for the 
family to lift their spirits. 

2118
01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:58,230
It was very rich food, so lots 
of butter. 

2119
01:57:58,230 --> 01:58:00,630
Let's salt let's. 
So would you say that the 

2120
01:58:00,630 --> 01:58:06,870
potatoes were giving life 
literally, or maybe just easing 

2121
01:58:07,030 --> 01:58:09,350
the life of the people who are 
mourning? 

2122
01:58:09,470 --> 01:58:13,470
But yeah, it's that same concept
so often, those food, the food 

2123
01:58:13,470 --> 01:58:15,710
was cooked with intention or 
feeling. 

2124
01:58:15,710 --> 01:58:18,790
You were thinking about that 
person while your stuff was kind

2125
01:58:18,790 --> 01:58:22,310
of on the stove top, thinking 
about their life and what 

2126
01:58:22,310 --> 01:58:25,030
they've been through, feeling 
sorrow for their families, that 

2127
01:58:25,030 --> 01:58:27,430
kind of thing. 
Or maybe it's a joyous thing and

2128
01:58:27,430 --> 01:58:29,390
you're you're thinking about 
that as you're cooking it. 

2129
01:58:30,310 --> 01:58:33,350
And then there's certain teas 
and gargles, right? 

2130
01:58:33,350 --> 01:58:35,670
So gargles being the one I'm 
most familiar with. 

2131
01:58:36,190 --> 01:58:43,230
So this belief that we can kind 
of take certain things that we 

2132
01:58:43,230 --> 01:58:47,110
know to be either medicinally or
spiritually related to the 

2133
01:58:47,150 --> 01:58:49,670
element that somebody's having, 
mix them up in a tea, put them 

2134
01:58:49,670 --> 01:58:53,270
in a gargle, and then we will 
make that person better by by 

2135
01:58:53,390 --> 01:58:55,350
cooking, by making something for
them. 

2136
01:58:56,260 --> 01:58:58,980
And then we're going to jump 
into something that I don't see 

2137
01:58:58,980 --> 01:59:02,060
enough of in books. 
And it makes me so sad because 

2138
01:59:02,060 --> 01:59:04,700
we kind of they talk around it a
lot of times, but nobody really 

2139
01:59:04,700 --> 01:59:08,740
specifically talks to it. 
But the idea of language and 

2140
01:59:08,740 --> 01:59:15,420
sound and music as in and of 
itself in the South being really

2141
01:59:16,280 --> 01:59:19,440
a spiritual thing. 
So whether we're talking about 

2142
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:23,000
music from the bluegrass 
perspective or we're talking 

2143
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:27,880
about the music in a Baptist 
Church or those sounds are very 

2144
01:59:27,880 --> 01:59:29,160
familiar to people. 
They're like oh, that's 

2145
01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:32,880
bluegrass or oh that that's like
Baptist Church choir music. 

2146
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:35,760
But those those are those are 
magical. 

2147
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:40,400
They create an atmosphere. 
They create a a certain feeling 

2148
01:59:40,400 --> 01:59:43,360
when you hear those, when you're
at a festival, listening to 

2149
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:47,810
those that people tangibly feel 
and recognize. 

2150
01:59:48,410 --> 01:59:51,130
But we often don't think about 
them in in a spiritual sense. 

2151
01:59:51,130 --> 01:59:56,690
So it it was often in workings 
that people would play music or 

2152
01:59:56,690 --> 01:59:58,810
make music. 
If you had a banjo, if you had a

2153
01:59:58,810 --> 02:00:02,650
fiddle, that people would make 
music to aid in that working. 

2154
02:00:03,170 --> 02:00:06,730
But also if we just get down 
really to the basics, everyone's

2155
02:00:06,730 --> 02:00:09,410
heard a southern accent. 
So many people have made fun of 

2156
02:00:09,410 --> 02:00:12,970
Southern accents, right? 
But when we think from. 

2157
02:00:13,950 --> 02:00:16,030
What do you want? 
All that from a communication 

2158
02:00:16,030 --> 02:00:19,150
standpoint. 
If we think about the language 

2159
02:00:19,150 --> 02:00:24,350
phonetically, the South has a 
twang and a sound. 

2160
02:00:24,590 --> 02:00:26,950
That one has many different 
dialects, right? 

2161
02:00:27,190 --> 02:00:30,950
Mississippi to Louisiana to 
Virginia to Tennessee. 

2162
02:00:31,350 --> 02:00:34,430
Those accents are very 
different, but they all have a 

2163
02:00:34,430 --> 02:00:40,270
couple things in common. 
And one of those things is that 

2164
02:00:40,270 --> 02:00:43,230
we drop the consonants a lot of 
times at the end of words. 

2165
02:00:43,620 --> 02:00:44,100
Right. 
So I haven't. 

2166
02:00:44,140 --> 02:00:46,740
I just said times times I 
accentuated the. 

2167
02:00:46,780 --> 02:00:49,660
I really dropped the M like 
didn't make that M hard. 

2168
02:00:50,380 --> 02:00:54,580
We dropped the end of that word 
and so it connects to the next 

2169
02:00:54,580 --> 02:00:56,700
word and almost like the sing 
songy pattern. 

2170
02:00:57,220 --> 02:00:59,020
So when we're talking real fast,
it really sounds like there's a 

2171
02:00:59,020 --> 02:01:00,420
lot of things going on. 
You don't really know what 

2172
02:01:00,420 --> 02:01:02,220
someone's saying because they're
talking so fast and they're just

2173
02:01:02,220 --> 02:01:04,460
kind of linking the words 
together and it gives this kind 

2174
02:01:04,460 --> 02:01:07,580
of sing songy rhythm. 
But if you're from a dialect who

2175
02:01:07,580 --> 02:01:10,660
speaks very slowly, and 
Northerners will say this so 

2176
02:01:10,660 --> 02:01:15,560
often that, like, my God, it 
took them forever to get to the 

2177
02:01:15,560 --> 02:01:18,920
point, they often draw out those
sounds. 

2178
02:01:18,920 --> 02:01:20,560
They don't. 
They don't accentuate the 

2179
02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:22,520
consonant. 
There's not this hard stop at 

2180
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:24,920
the consonant. 
They draw out that sound into 

2181
02:01:24,920 --> 02:01:28,240
the next one so that when 
they're talking, the cadence of 

2182
02:01:28,240 --> 02:01:32,120
speech almost gives this, like 
rhythmic kind of sound to it. 

2183
02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:35,200
And then when you think about 
bluegrass music, it's a lot of 

2184
02:01:35,200 --> 02:01:39,360
the storytelling, but a lot of 
it almost is like spoken word. 

2185
02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:42,280
A lot of times they're not, 
they're not singing. 

2186
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:44,840
They're not using, like the full
volume of this verse. 

2187
02:01:44,840 --> 02:01:48,240
This is not an opera. 
They're not using vocal range. 

2188
02:01:48,680 --> 02:01:52,480
They're just kind of stringing 
their words together along with 

2189
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:54,680
the music, right? 
And we're setting a rhythm or 

2190
02:01:54,680 --> 02:01:57,000
setting a pace. 
And so it can often sound like 

2191
02:01:57,480 --> 02:02:01,720
spoken word almost, but to the 
backdrop of like a Ding, Ding, 

2192
02:02:01,720 --> 02:02:04,840
Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, right to
the backdrop of a fiddle or a 

2193
02:02:04,840 --> 02:02:09,440
banjo. 
And so the sound of the language

2194
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:13,160
itself is kind of magical, and 
it really lends itself well to 

2195
02:02:13,160 --> 02:02:15,120
magic. 
I don't know. 

2196
02:02:16,600 --> 02:02:20,880
My partner was telling me about.
He really is obsessed. 

2197
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:25,320
He speaks like 4 languages but 
he is obsessed with accents and 

2198
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:30,520
like how people do impressions 
of accents and like how you get 

2199
02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:33,520
you take one kind of accent and 
then you make it more like this 

2200
02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:35,120
and then it makes you get to 
another accent. 

2201
02:02:35,510 --> 02:02:39,110
Right. 
Apparently there's some dialect 

2202
02:02:39,550 --> 02:02:47,310
in British Isle somewhere that 
is like if you just change a 

2203
02:02:47,310 --> 02:02:50,350
couple of things instantly. 
Sounds like you're in Tennessee.

2204
02:02:51,060 --> 02:02:52,740
Interesting. 
So that's all, Yeah. 

2205
02:02:52,740 --> 02:02:57,500
Also like this idea of accent 
representing, representing the, 

2206
02:02:58,540 --> 02:03:02,340
you know, migration patterns of 
people and how you just slightly

2207
02:03:02,340 --> 02:03:05,340
change some things and you can 
see oh that's where those people

2208
02:03:05,340 --> 02:03:06,140
came from. 
They. 

2209
02:03:06,140 --> 02:03:11,540
Yeah, when you think about like 
Welsh language, right, Welsh, a 

2210
02:03:11,980 --> 02:03:15,180
lot of it has that same and 
that's where a lot of that came 

2211
02:03:15,180 --> 02:03:17,100
from. 
It was, it was the turning of 

2212
02:03:17,100 --> 02:03:19,660
that into English into into the 
harshness. 

2213
02:03:19,700 --> 02:03:20,940
English is a very harsh 
language. 

2214
02:03:20,940 --> 02:03:26,140
It's very like and so and that. 
Was a really good impression. 

2215
02:03:26,460 --> 02:03:29,020
That's actually exactly where 
Charlie Brown's teacher got her 

2216
02:03:29,020 --> 02:03:34,300
voice from us, like, but 
anyways, so it comes from that. 

2217
02:03:34,300 --> 02:03:36,820
But then you think you bring in 
all these other influences from 

2218
02:03:36,820 --> 02:03:39,980
all all these other, you know, 
African people and like their 

2219
02:03:39,980 --> 02:03:42,140
languages. 
And then you bring in the 

2220
02:03:42,140 --> 02:03:44,060
indigenous people and their 
languages that they already had 

2221
02:03:44,060 --> 02:03:46,740
a like established here. 
And when you meld these things 

2222
02:03:46,740 --> 02:03:49,380
together, this is kind of what 
we came up with. 

2223
02:03:49,500 --> 02:03:52,500
But you also see it based on 
where people settled, settled in

2224
02:03:52,500 --> 02:03:55,740
Appalachia, that really created 
the dialects. 

2225
02:03:55,940 --> 02:03:59,100
So we all kind of have this same
thing where we chop off the 

2226
02:03:59,100 --> 02:04:01,100
consonants at the end of the 
words and we kind of string them

2227
02:04:01,100 --> 02:04:03,420
together, some of us faster and 
some of us slower. 

2228
02:04:04,900 --> 02:04:07,340
It's all the same thing. 
But the specific dialect really 

2229
02:04:07,340 --> 02:04:11,340
depends on who settled there and
why they settled there, how the 

2230
02:04:11,340 --> 02:04:15,660
language kind of changed. 
And then if we talk about the 

2231
02:04:15,700 --> 02:04:20,100
actual phrases that we use, it's
like being from the South is 

2232
02:04:20,100 --> 02:04:24,300
like a whole different language 
in a lot of places there. 

2233
02:04:24,300 --> 02:04:26,540
There are a lot of places where 
if you are not someone who's 

2234
02:04:26,540 --> 02:04:29,260
familiar with the Southern 
dialect and then you come on 

2235
02:04:29,260 --> 02:04:31,900
down, you don't know what the 
fuck they're saying. 

2236
02:04:32,240 --> 02:04:33,480
You don't know what we're 
talking about. 

2237
02:04:33,720 --> 02:04:37,080
Not just because of the speech 
and and where they hold that 

2238
02:04:37,080 --> 02:04:39,760
speech in their mouth and 
sometimes they put ours and 

2239
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:43,120
words that don't have ours and 
all kinds of stuff, but because 

2240
02:04:43,120 --> 02:04:45,200
the literal words that they're 
using, If you don't know that 

2241
02:04:45,200 --> 02:04:47,920
connotation already, you're 
like, I don't, I don't even know

2242
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:49,040
what we're talking about 
anymore. 

2243
02:04:49,360 --> 02:04:52,160
So some examples of that are 
saying, like, well, he lives by 

2244
02:04:52,160 --> 02:04:55,370
the bottle instead of saying 
he's an alcoholic. 

2245
02:04:55,570 --> 02:04:57,570
Right. 
So we say this in kind of these 

2246
02:04:57,570 --> 02:05:00,650
fanciful ways with these idioms 
and similes that convey a 

2247
02:05:00,650 --> 02:05:02,690
message sometimes in a nicer 
way. 

2248
02:05:02,690 --> 02:05:05,170
Right. 
He lives by the bottle, sounds a

2249
02:05:05,170 --> 02:05:08,530
lot nicer than saying he's a 
raging alcoholic. 

2250
02:05:09,690 --> 02:05:11,850
It sounds nicer to say that they
live by the bottle. 

2251
02:05:12,610 --> 02:05:14,290
Same thing, just a Peck and a 
pinch. 

2252
02:05:14,890 --> 02:05:17,210
That's a really nice way for 
saying I didn't measure that. 

2253
02:05:17,290 --> 02:05:19,770
And I just, like, took some and 
sprinkled it on there. 

2254
02:05:19,770 --> 02:05:21,890
It just means a little bit. 
So if you just take a Peck and a

2255
02:05:21,890 --> 02:05:25,770
pinch of salt and put it on 
there, that's that's what we're 

2256
02:05:25,770 --> 02:05:26,850
talking about. 
But if you don't know what a 

2257
02:05:26,850 --> 02:05:29,930
Peck and a pinch is, maybe you 
didn't get it from just a pinch,

2258
02:05:29,930 --> 02:05:31,490
which is where that phrase comes
from. 

2259
02:05:31,490 --> 02:05:36,290
Just a pinch of it's from a Peck
and a pinch, then you might be 

2260
02:05:36,290 --> 02:05:39,610
like, I don't, I don't know how 
much salt to add to this thing, 

2261
02:05:39,610 --> 02:05:41,810
so I'm just not going to and 
then your food's going to be 

2262
02:05:41,810 --> 02:05:45,050
bad. 
Or if we talk about a lick at AM

2263
02:05:45,050 --> 02:05:48,250
Sense, right, I think most of us
can say a lick at AM Sense. 

2264
02:05:48,250 --> 02:05:51,390
That means they don't have any 
sense, but it really means the 

2265
02:05:51,390 --> 02:05:54,910
smallest drop, right? 
A lick, a little bit of saliva. 

2266
02:05:55,270 --> 02:05:57,270
It's not having a drop of 
intelligence. 

2267
02:05:57,270 --> 02:05:58,830
So he doesn't have a look at 
Damn Sense. 

2268
02:06:00,590 --> 02:06:04,350
So yeah, all of those things I 
think kind of culminate into 

2269
02:06:04,990 --> 02:06:08,070
almost setting the stage or 
setting the environment for 

2270
02:06:08,070 --> 02:06:12,190
there to be a lot of whimsy in 
this place because everybody's 

2271
02:06:12,190 --> 02:06:16,830
kind of speaking in this way. 
The land is very magical and 

2272
02:06:16,830 --> 02:06:20,150
expressive. 
The way we deal with things as a

2273
02:06:20,150 --> 02:06:23,150
society is in a certain way. 
And so it really like sets the 

2274
02:06:23,150 --> 02:06:28,390
stage for there to be kind of a 
rich cultural history of magic 

2275
02:06:28,630 --> 02:06:32,510
there. 
And that's that's where we're at

2276
02:06:32,510 --> 02:06:34,510
with the fire stuff. 
Love it? 

2277
02:06:34,510 --> 02:06:36,550
Awesome. 
So we're going to break here 

2278
02:06:36,550 --> 02:06:41,470
before we get into the water and
the Earth aspects, and we'll 

2279
02:06:41,470 --> 02:06:46,950
include those conversations in 
our next episode. 

2280
02:06:48,010 --> 02:06:48,810
Yeah. 
Thanks, Danny. 

2281
02:06:48,930 --> 02:06:52,490
This has been so interesting. 
I feel like there's so many 

2282
02:06:52,490 --> 02:06:56,770
things that I resonated with and
I have practiced being someone 

2283
02:06:56,770 --> 02:06:58,130
who lives in the South and grew 
up here. 

2284
02:06:58,250 --> 02:07:02,290
And there's other things that I 
had no idea, like a Hank who 

2285
02:07:02,290 --> 02:07:03,850
knew? 
You got to watch out. 

2286
02:07:04,010 --> 02:07:05,410
You got to watch out for the 
Hanks. 

2287
02:07:07,250 --> 02:07:09,500
You got to be careful. 
All right, guys. 

2288
02:07:09,500 --> 02:07:12,940
Well, we will catch you up next 
time with the water and the 

2289
02:07:13,740 --> 02:07:16,020
earth integrations of this 
topic. 

2290
02:07:16,900 --> 02:07:19,140
We at first were like we're 
going to go full force for it, 

2291
02:07:19,140 --> 02:07:21,620
but the more we're like talking 
about or like we might need to 

2292
02:07:21,620 --> 02:07:24,020
break this up so that people 
actually, you know, hear it and 

2293
02:07:24,020 --> 02:07:28,180
understand it. 
So as always, which is blessed, 

2294
02:07:28,180 --> 02:07:29,460
be and be well.