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And welcome everyone to another 
Smart Money Circle episode. 

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I'm Adam Sarhan. 
With me today is Octe Kavrak, 

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who's the Director of 
Communications and Strategy at 

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Leverage shares with 
approximately 2 billion in AUM. 

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Octe, thank you so much for 
taking the time and welcome to 

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the Smart Money Circle. 
Thanks a lot for the invite 

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Adam, really happy to be here. 
So Octe, I always like to begin,

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can you please tell us a little 
about your story and how you got

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to where you are today? 
Yeah, sure. 

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Absolutely. 
So actually leveraged shares was

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my first, let's say, foray to 
the ETF space, right. 

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So I studied finance in college.
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university was, you know, 
working for IBM. 

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So I was working within their 
corporate finance department. 

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I spent about a year and a half 
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So it was a lot of stuff 
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financial statements. 
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some point that that part of, 
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industry isn't very interesting 
for me. 

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So I mean, I got, you know, 
exposure to a lot of different, 

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a lot of different, you know, 
things that you can do within 

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the company. 
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corporations like that, you 
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little entities or smaller 
versions of that entire giant in

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different countries and 
different geographies. 

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So after I spent some time at 
IBMI, realized that maybe, you 

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know, I should try something 
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And then I went into sort of the
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So I joined a company called the
Jiro, which is one of the 

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biggest pan European brokers in 
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And I joined that firm when they
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startup stage. 
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people at the time. 
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I don't even think they had like
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place in terms of where they, 
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where they wanted to be within a
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But, you know, Fast forward a 
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on like wildfire and they were 
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right. 
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business, especially in Europe 
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if you're, let's say, a retail 
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very accustomed to things like, 
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being able to open up a 
brokerage camp for just a few 

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dollars. 
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case. 
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probably up until five years 
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at least 10K to open up like a 
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There was like just a lot of 
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to make an account. 
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sort of started proliferating, I
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probably about five years ago. 
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after COVID. 
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entire growth phase and I saw 
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investors, you know, on this 
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getting more involved in active 
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And yeah, ultimately the company
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They were brought out, they were
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And after that I joined a bank, 
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unit credit. 
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corporation to a startup and 
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corporation. 
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where I got my ultimate 
confirmation that, you know, I'm

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not a big fan of like the big 
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I like, you know, helping build 
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I like, you know, being able to 
do multiple tasks. 

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I'm, I'm not the kind of person 
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the same thing every single day 
and being like a specialist just

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in one thing. 
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I, you know, I was contacted by 
who's now the CEO of the 

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company. 
And, you know, I saw a job ad 

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for an up and coming ETF company
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They just had a few employees. 
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products already listed on the 
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I wasn't really, you know, 
familiar with the entire ETF 

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space, especially in Europe. 
So I was like, OK, this sounds 

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pretty interesting. 
Had a few conversations, had a 

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conversation with the CEO and 
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history. 
Wow, what a great story. 

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I love that. 
So I love also the fact that you

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knew what worked for you and you
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for you. 
So you did more of what works 

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and less of what didn't. 
That's a great way of of getting

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there. 
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second try at a big corporation 
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that, you know, it's not the 
right environment for me. 

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But ultimately, I think I, I 
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that I want to work in that's, 
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anybody, you know, that's 
willing to progress in their 

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careers within a certain firm 
because, you know, certain perks

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and certain items are nice to 
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But if you don't ultimately 
enjoy where you work and what 

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you're doing, then all else you 
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pointless. 
Yeah, I couldn't agree with you 

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more. 
All right, let's talk about 

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leverage shares. 
Please tell us about your 

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business, what you do and some 
of your competitive advantages. 

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So leveraged shares is best 
known for a concept called 

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leveraged ETFs. 
So leveraged ETFs basically 

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multiply whatever a normal ETF 
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three, right? 
So, you know these have existed 

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for the better part of two 
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NASDAQ 100 goes up 1%. 
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would go up either 2 or 3%. 
So we took that concept and 

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applied it to single stocks, 
which had never been done 

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before, right? 
So we're the first company 

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globally to launch what's called
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So when you think about a 
product like 3 times Tesla or 

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inverse 2 times NVIDIA, this 
concept basically started out in

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Europe. 
You know, we were the first 

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company to to do this. 
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with about 8 products, I 
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And they were on relatively, I 
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you know, not so volatile names.
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and McDonald's. 
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a very slow burn, right? 
So the uptake was quite slow. 

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People didn't know how the 
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There's alternative versions of,
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in Europe. 
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there wasn't really a need for 
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But ultimately, you know, as as 
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realize that it's really an 
effective way to get a certain 

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type of exposure if you 
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work. 
And, and we've been building the

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business since then. 
So we started out with eight 

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products listed on one exchange.
Fast forward six years, we have 

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over 180 products listed on the 
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We currently have the most 
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Exchange, which is triple 
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And honestly, I'm sure nobody 
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or 6 years ago when people were,
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products, you know, pointless 
or, you know, they, they thought

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there was no need or no niche 
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So it's it's been a ride. 
I love that, I love the vision 

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too and being able to see 
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works, great. 
And like you said, you never 

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know how high or how strong it 
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So let's talk about attic and 
income. 

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I know you do some other things 
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If you don't mind, please share 
all that. 

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Yes. 
So we have AI would say pretty 

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strong pedigree in terms of ETF 
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So the CEO and the owner of the 
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So he is no stranger to the ETF 
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He was one of the Co founders of
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Global X. 
So that was ultimately sold to a

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Korean asset manager and 
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along with the Co founders, 
Dobermar Kumborov and and Tracy 

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Grant. 
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European venture. 
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leverage products and you know, 
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sort of, you know, we've we've 
specialized in being able to 

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launch a lot of products and we 
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terms of what kind of products 
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speed at which we can bring them
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So after the leveraged products,
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ETFs in Europe, which was also 
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And then we introduced a white 
label offering, meaning we would

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launch exchange traded products 
for other asset managers that 

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didn't want to go through the 
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own entire ETF business. 
So in Europe, those are, I would

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say the core businesses that 
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And then in the US just a few 
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company that launched a bunch of
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So, you know, if you think of 
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generative AI, it has I think 
one of the widest ranges of 

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thematic ETF offerings. 
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the management fee, which for a 
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themes or categories, it's the 
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category for many of them. 
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year ago, we started launching 
2X leverage single stock ETFs as

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to say that that a few of them 
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well. 
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know, you do need a bit of luck,
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So with the certain decline of 
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like UNH, especially as of late,
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chatter on Twitter. 
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the uptake was like nothing 
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I mean, I think it got to 100 
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under 2 weeks, which, you know, 
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It's a proven concept. 
So at this point, we know what 

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we're good at. 
We know what people know what's 

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best for. 
So ultimately, we're just going 

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to keep addressing that demand 
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And you know, I think there's no
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people voting with their money 
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products. 
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that those investments go in One
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last few years. 
And that's been really promising

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to see because I can tell you 
the first few years were not 

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very pretty. 
And it's only, it's only, you 

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So it's really satisfying to 
finally hit that inflection 

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point and and see the business 
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I love that. 
So let's talk about risk 

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management out there. 
What are some lessons you've 

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learned about risk management? 
How do you handle risk? 

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And anything you want to share 
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So risk management from an ETF 
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more important when you're 
involved in the kind of business

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that we have, which is leveraged
ETFs, right? 

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Because the more exposure you 
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more careful you have to be on 
your side to make sure that the 

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product is functioning properly.
So there's a few perks with 

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leveraged ETFs, which is this 
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So basically, if the stock goes 
up, you have to rebalance by 

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buying or getting more exposure 
to the underlying instrument and

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vice versa. 
So what that means is that if, 

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let's say the underlying were to
drop by a large amount, then you

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would, you know, ultimately be 
on the hook if the ETF were to 

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lose, you know, let's say it's 
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Because in theory that is 
possible, right? 

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So as a company, we have to make
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risk management measures in 
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happen, you know, we have the 
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procedures to start taking 
action as soon as possible to do

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what's called an intraday 
rebalance just to try to ensure 

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that the product doesn't go 
below 0. 

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Or, you know, investors, 
obviously with an ETF, they 

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can't lose more than they're 
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But at the issuer level, we also
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proper precautions in place to 
make sure that that we do 

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everything we can to curtail or 
minimize risks when an asset 

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might drop drastically or have 
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these products. 
So risk is it's not part of what

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we do. 
It's a major part of what we do,

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you know, controlling risk, 
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products like ETF's and ET PS is
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counterparties that you have to 
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So nobody's going to allow you 
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of GameStop or something like 
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too high, right? 
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have issues with it. 
The market makers, they won't 

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want to price it there, They 
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So there's, there's a lot of 
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industry itself that you know, 
make sure that, you know, we're,

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we're doing everything to make 
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is safe with their investments 
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Yeah, I love that. 
That's really, really powerful 

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because like you said, 2X3X all 
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work, you know, for you or 
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So it's really important to to 
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Exactly. 
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regulations say that you can 
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leverage DTF offerings. 
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all the way up to 5X and we do 
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ET PS. 
So we have 5X NASDAQ for 

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example, we have 5X Magnificent 
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So it's it gets pretty wild on 
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I definitely could imagine. 
All right, let's talk about some

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timeless lessons. 
What are some timeless lessons 

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you've learned along the way 
that you'd like to share with 

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the audience? 
I. 

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Mean you pick a category and 
then I can share a lesson around

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it. 
But I guess if, if we're talking

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about maybe, I guess this 
applies to both my personal life

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and, and my profession is 
probably just adaptability or 

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just being able to just adapt to
different things, different 

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environments, right? 
Because just to give you an 

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example, you know, I remember of
just a few years ago, 

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programming and coding, that was
all the rage, right? 

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People were saying, if you get a
job in programming, then it's 

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it's future proof. 
And then you're going to be set 

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for the rest of your life and 
things like that. 

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And all of a sudden you have 
major CE OS like like CEO of 

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NVIDIA and AMD coming out and 
saying that, you know, it's not 

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that important to be able to 
program anymore because you can 

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put a lot of that legwork to, to
AI. 

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You know, ChatGPT can do a lot 
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And obviously it has a bunch of 
alternatives out there. 

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So if I were to, you know, hone 
down on one key message that has

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really helped me over the years 
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Because if I've learned one 
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that the only constant is a 
really is change, right? 

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So even for me on a personal 
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thought I'd be where I am right 
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Five years from now I probably, 
you know, will be very surprised

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to see where I ended up because 
it could be in a different 

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industry, could be in a 
different position, it could be 

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a different content, who knows? 
Absolutely love it. 

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Yeah, it's evolved, you know, 
evolution, it's change. 

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It's adaptability. 
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saying. 
All right, let's talk about the 

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other side of that. 
What are some timeless mistakes 

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either you've made, you've seen 
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learn from them so you don't 
keep repeating them? 

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Yeah, I think mistakes are also 
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to learn from it, because people
can give us advice and, you 

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know, tell us like the know hows
or the best or the best 

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practices all day long. 
But until you live through it 

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yourself or until you make that 
mistake or until you put in that

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losing trade, you know, until 
you experience it first hand and

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have that feeling of regret, you
never truly understand, you 

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know, how to how to properly 
learn from from mistakes. 

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But I would say probably my 
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probably has been related to, 
to, to not, you know, to not 

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really go for it, you know, to, 
to be a little bit more 

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conservative, right? 
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could be with, with your 
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your wife, with your partner. 
It could be picking a certain 

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university, it could be quitting
your job and trying to start 

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your own business. 
And it could be a lot of things.

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And, you know, if I do have one 
regret, it would just be not 

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taking sort of that bigger leap 
earlier on in my career and just

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playing it safe for for quite 
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was a little bit more aggressive
in terms of the decisions I 

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made. 
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the decisions that I that I 
learned from because ultimately,

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you realize that, you know, we 
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of time on this planet. 
It's like at the end of the day,

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it's like whatever you achieve, 
it's going to be for yourself. 

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And at the end, if there's 
somebody that's going to, you 

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know, live through the most 
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you if you don't actually go for
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Yeah, I couldn't agree with you 
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That is so, so powerful. 
All right, let's talk about 

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leadership. 
What makes a great leader? 

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What are some lessons you've 
learned about leadership that 

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you'd like to share with the 
audience the best? 

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Leaders that I've worked with 
are are the people that sort of 

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empower others around them and 
give them responsibilities, even

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if they don't necessarily 
believe that those people are 

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ready for it, right? 
I've never been keen on working 

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with people that just tell you 
what to do or they think they 

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know it all. 
You know, I've worked with, you 

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know, a bunch of, you know, very
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individuals across my various 
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there are a lot of personalities
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Some people can be, you know, 
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Another person could have the 
exact same background, could be 

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a really good guy and all of a 
sudden it's very easy and very, 

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you know, there's no effort in 
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whereas with the other, you 
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with them. 
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about, you know, putting other 
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know, push them forward or 
moving forward together, rather 

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than, you know, putting yourself
on the highest pedestal, you 

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know, as possible and, and just 
trying to tell or prove to other

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people how good you are, how, 
how great you are, what you do. 

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Yeah, I love that. 
That is really, really, really 

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great piece of advice. 
So it's, it's, it's empowering 

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the other folks instead of 
trying to push them down. 

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If I hear. 
Absolutely, absolutely, 

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absolutely. 
I mean, especially nowadays 

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everybody seems to have, you 
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and everybody likes expressing 
their views, right. 

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And then ultimately, we really 
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credit to the people out there 
who actually do a really good 

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job of, of, you know, empowering
a lot, a lot of people around 

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them or, or many people that 
they might know or they might 

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not directly know, rather than 
those that would do anything 

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possible to just, you know, to 
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So I think that's very 
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Love that. 
OK, next question for you is 

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adversity. 
How do you handle adversity? 

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What are some obstacles you had 
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Anything you want to speak about
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So I think adversity is 
adversity builds character. 

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So adversity is, is something we
all go through and I think for 

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good reasons, like that's, 
that's what that's what builds, 

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that's what builds courage. 
That's what you know, we have to

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know, we have to know adversity.
We have to know fear. 

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We have to have gone through 
certain experiences to be able 

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to appreciate the good and avoid
the bad. 

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So the way I deal with adversity
is, is head on, right? 

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I would, I would say the one 
quality that still holds me back

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from time to time is 
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So I do like to leave the things
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away. 
I just, I'm, I keep kicking the 

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can down the road sometimes. 
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the earlier you address it, the 
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the better off you'll be. 
You know, whether it's good 

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news, bad news, whatever, 
knowing early on is a lot better

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than, you know, just expecting 
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That's that's something I'm 100%
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I love it. 
OK, beautiful. 

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Final question for you today 
Octe, is what is the best piece 

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of advice you'd like to give the
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self? 
My 20 year old self, that is a 

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good question because what I 
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anyone you know younger than me 
or you know, even in their 20s, 

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is that don't put too much 
pressure on yourself to to know 

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it all or to try to know it all 
within a short span of time 

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because things always change, 
right? 

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Don't try to pick the perfect 
university. 

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Don't try to pick the perfect 
job and try to pick the perfect 

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career because you will evolve, 
evolve as a person, you will 

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change. 
You're going to go through 

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adversity, you might get 
divorced, you might get fired. 

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And all of those are going to 
build your character and they're

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going to lead to certain 
decisions. 

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And ultimately, you might end up
in a different place than what 

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you initially expected expected,
but that different place might 

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make you happier than you might 
have otherwise been. 

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So a lot of things, I would say,
most things in our lives are out

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of our control. 
So as long as you're 

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disciplined, as long as you're 
you know kind to others and you 

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do what you know is right, then 
ultimately you should be OK. 

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So don't stress too much. 
I love it. 

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Well, Akhte, thank you so much 
for coming on the show, for 

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sharing some timeless lessons 
with us. 

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Congrats on all your success and
hopefully we'll have you on 

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again soon. 
I would love to Adam, thank you 

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very much for having me on It's,
it's been a pleasure.