1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,800 Oh, good evening, everybody. How are you, John? 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,880 Tyler, I'm good. How are you guys? 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,760 Doing well, doing well. Got got a little new, a new set 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,320 up here guys, so hopefully everybody watching likes it. 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,600 But yeah, we got a got a good show. 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,560 You see there some Roman and Adler Rogue Invitational, some 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,440 controversy. I think we got some, I got some 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,320 good information on that. The leaderboard will not be the 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,440 same whenever it does update. The Madrid Championship is 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,520 coming up this weekend, so we'll take a look at that. 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,760 We'll take a look at the article I wrote earlier this week about 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,240 some of the teenagers who are graduating, moving up into the 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,440 Open Division and what that means for them. 14 00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:49,160 And we'll ended up with a little bit of puppy time. 15 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:56,800 So before we get into that, make sure to go to vindicate.com, use 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,920 Code Spin to save 15% and the barbell spin shirts are still on 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,959 pre-order. So go head over, grab a grab a 18 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,320 shirt there. Pretty good, pretty good 19 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:10,440 reception so far. But there's still a few days 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:15,960 left, so go get those and yeah, then we'll get right back into 21 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:18,480 the swing of things. All right, guys. 22 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,560 Roman versus Adler, it's been talked about the last few days. 23 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,640 Sivan had Roman on. I assume you guys watch that. 24 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,040 Yeah, that was the latest I stayed up for one in a long 25 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,920 time. I'm actually very fluent in 26 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,120 Russian, so there's a couple things that the translator left 27 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,720 out, like big things. You and you and Hillary. 28 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,160 Such as eyebrows? I can't get into it. 29 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:54,080 I can't get into it but just. I thought it was interesting. 30 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:59,400 I mean, I don't know. I guess I'll start with this 31 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:07,080 question first to John. Do you think Roman's reason for 32 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,960 going public on Instagram made sense? 33 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:19,400 I think for him it did. I think, I think it pissed him 34 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,200 off that Adler was he thinks he won because he got in Roman's 35 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,640 head. And for Roman, I think Roman 36 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:33,240 thinks Adler won because Roman got hurt, which is probably the 37 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:38,880 case. But if I like in like Adler, if 38 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,360 in interviews, if Jeff is bragging that I got in his head 39 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,720 and This is why I won and all this stuff, I can totally 100% 40 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,520 see how that would piss off Roman. 41 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,160 And that's why he came and made this statement at this time. 42 00:02:54,120 --> 00:03:00,320 And that's that's how I'm making sense of it, I think the way I 43 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:01,920 think. I don't think he meant for that 44 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:03,600 post to get as big as it. Did. 45 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:10,240 I I I think he posted that like just saying like get over 46 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,240 yourself to like to Jeff, right. Like it. 47 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,560 But like that's it. And then it got blown up into 48 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:21,440 this big thing that and now he seems like a a pussy, for the 49 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,400 lack of a better word because he's all mad that Jeff Trash 50 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,520 talked him, right. And I don't think, you know, I I 51 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,120 don't think he wanted that at all. 52 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,120 And it's not. I think it's not a big deal to 53 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:39,280 him and it got made into a big deal and like I could I could 54 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:44,560 100% just see where Roman was coming from in the future. 55 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,720 If Jeff is like that, like truly like that and you know we don't 56 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,200 know what what it is on the field. 57 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:57,280 But if he's non-stop talking, just talking to him like I mean 58 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:04,320 the second Roman beats him like it's over right now, Jeff, Jeff 59 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,760 looks like the douche bag in high school that that peaked, 60 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,560 does he not if Roman wins, right. 61 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,320 And so if you're Roman, I think that's your outlook. 62 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,640 If you know that Jeff is not in your head, which I mean it kind 63 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,720 of seems like Jeff is in your head a little bit, but but but 64 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,720 if if but not your fitness, you know what I mean? 65 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,920 I agree with him when he says that just be fitter. 66 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,240 You can't tell the fittest man in the world, hey, just go be 67 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:36,360 fitter because he did win. You did break your foot, you 68 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:37,840 know what I mean? There's an asterisk. 69 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:40,040 There's an asterisk. There's not an asterisk, no 70 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,440 being. There is. 71 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,160 Able to get through a competition without hurting 72 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,720 yourself is a part of is a part of the games, right? 73 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,520 The reason why we're so down on Danny Spiegel is because she 74 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,160 can't make it through 15 events without something traumatic 75 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,880 happening. Same thing with Danielle 76 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,520 Brandon. There's always going to be some 77 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:04,680 mental thing that happens, at least from the past has shown us 78 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,760 in in one of the events. It's a part of it, it's a part 79 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,720 of it. So Jeff, there is no asterisk 80 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,960 for Jeff. I do not believe in that. 81 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,440 I do believe Roman would have won had he not got hurt. 82 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,600 And if you're Roman, you just go out, you just go beat him. 83 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,640 And then Jeff looks like a, you know, the bully in high school. 84 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:30,320 But I mean if Jeff keeps winning, you can't really be in 85 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:31,960 the right Roman. Jeff's winning. 86 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,080 Like, you know, you know what I mean? 87 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:38,760 Like Jeff is winning and Fraser did that stuff all the time, all 88 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,520 the time. And and Ricky, like, he did that 89 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,480 stuff to Ricky and Ricky was just like, all right, man, let's 90 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:46,120 go. Right. 91 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,320 I mean he never, you know, he got popper steroids that never 92 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,320 happened. But you know what I mean? 93 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,760 So like, like like if you're, I get the situation Roman was in. 94 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,640 I'm not negative the way everybody else is about it. 95 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:05,160 I think you just got to go out there and just, you know, do you 96 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,320 and just let everything blow over now which I which is what 97 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,280 he wants, right? Do you agree, Tyler? 98 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,840 Absolutely not. I disagree almost wholeheartedly 99 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:18,360 with this. I want to say for the record, I 100 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,440 was my second. My correction before the podcast 101 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:27,360 was right. I said that something like Roman 102 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,680 is basically saying you're a little bitch ass Trash talk 103 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,280 didn't work. You didn't beat me because you 104 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:34,080 were fitter than me. You beat me because I broke my 105 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,360 foot. Wait, stop running your mouth. 106 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:38,440 Pause. Pause. 107 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,200 Do you think that's untrue? What? 108 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,840 That Jeff beat him because he broke his foot. 109 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,080 Yes, yes, 100 percent, 100%. He would have won the games had 110 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,000 he not broke his foot. Right. 100%. 111 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,360 Like, caveat, whatever you're going to say with that fact. 112 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:03,080 Yes, and and to me, I say Asterisk because it was a freak 113 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,440 accident. Those sandbags I don't like like 114 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,320 I like the workout. It sucks because I really like 115 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,600 the workout, but like that was a known. 116 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,520 They could have foreseen that accident happening and thought 117 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:19,560 of a way around it. But besides that, I thought the 118 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,080 problem was that there was two things happening. 119 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,520 One, Roman just wanted Jeffrey to shut up. 120 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,320 Talk shit. I've always been a fan. 121 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,960 Talk shit all you want on the field of play. 122 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,520 I don't even mind if you throw elbows on the field of play. 123 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:39,160 I really don't. And for the record, I don't 124 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,840 either. I'm on your side with that. 125 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,200 OK. When 100%, that's a part of 126 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,760 sports. Do what? 127 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,800 Do What Michael Jordan does is talk mad shit on the court and 128 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,760 then leave it on the court. Don't bring that shit off the 129 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,240 court. And Jeffrey made the mistake in 130 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:56,920 that he ran his mouth on podcast. 131 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,760 So now I don't have a problem with Roman doing what he did 132 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,360 because he's saying you you beat me, kinda. 133 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,280 And your little tactic didn't do a damn thing. 134 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,560 So now you've run your mouth to the point. 135 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,200 I have no, no, no, no. OK, maybe I I totally agree. 136 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:20,160 Sorry. The part, the part that I think 137 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:25,200 everybody misses and that I think Savon wanted to to make a 138 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,720 a Jeffrey versus Roman thing so much that he missed the point 139 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,640 where Roman was saying OK, there's that part that Adler was 140 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:34,880 talking shit and all this other stuff happened. 141 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,120 I don't care about that. What I want to say is this 142 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,880 shouldn't be a sport where we really contact each other, and I 143 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,720 don't disagree with him, but I also don't care if you do it, 144 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,680 But there should be rules on that sort of thing. 145 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:50,040 And I think Roman was trying to be someone up front, the sport 146 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,520 saying, hey, we should take care of this out ahead of everything 147 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,960 and that kind of got lost in the shuffle, I think. 148 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,040 So I'm sorry, John, I just came across argumentative. 149 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,480 No, you're good. And I and that's a great point 150 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,280 in that. I felt like he was trying to say 151 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,520 like, I don't care that it happened, it's whatever. 152 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,560 I don't think it should happen in the future and This is why 153 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:14,640 I'm trying to bring it to life because there's you know, there 154 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:19,440 should be a penalty if if if Cole Sager can't physically run 155 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,720 around Lucas Hogberg without swim, moving and elbowing him, 156 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,840 then Cole Sager should get docked 5 seconds or you know 157 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,800 like like just some kind of like right, like something. 158 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,240 I I get that and it's like that's what he's trying to do. 159 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:35,400 And I I I like what you're saying. 160 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:40,400 I do think that got lost in the translation and negativity I 161 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,960 guess in the comments is like he's trying to bring it to life 162 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,560 for the future, not. Did you play football growing 163 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:49,280 up? What do you? 164 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,600 Think yes. You played football growing up, 165 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,280 Brian you you'll understand though, is that we all? 166 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,560 They elbow each other all the. Time it was, it was vicious the 167 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:04,040 1st 100 meters. It's only cheating when you get 168 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,800 caught. It's only holding if you get 169 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,560 caught. I was like one of the smallest 170 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:11,160 dudes on the line, both sides, and I was cheating 100% all the 171 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,240 time. Whenever refs weren't looking, 172 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,440 it was at what I had to do. And I think they should make 173 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,520 rules so that you can't throw elbows. 174 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,000 But if you don't get caught, I don't care. 175 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,600 And that's that's that's sportsmanship to me. 176 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,960 Gamesmanship. Sportsmanship is not running 177 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,600 your mouth about it whenever you're off the field. 178 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,320 Yeah. And I think, I think that's what 179 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,360 he was also saying. You know, like it. 180 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,560 It comes across soft, especially because it's two a month after 181 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:43,480 the fact, two-month month and 1/2 after the fact. 182 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:51,040 But everything he's saying, that's everything he's saying is 183 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,000 true. I completely get what he's 184 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,240 saying. It's not soft in context after. 185 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,280 Context at all, at all. It's just the context is hard 186 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,520 because it's coming through a translator and that's what makes 187 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,720 it hard, right? His post is like, you know, 188 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,600 don't be dirty, just be fitter. Like it's just the way it got 189 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,360 there is not great. But like with what you said, 190 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,080 Tyler, like with context, I completely like I'm with 191 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,280 whatever he's saying. Spin How did How did you feel? 192 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,080 Sorry, I don't. I feel like we miss your points 193 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:26,680 all the time because. No, no, no. 194 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:31,920 What happened? I I understand, I think, why 195 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,680 Roman did it, and it was that he wants. 196 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,320 If there's going to be a rule in the rule book about 197 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:42,160 sportsmanship, then they need to understand what that is. 198 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:46,400 And kind of my biggest take away from the whole thing was he 199 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:51,360 brought it up to CrossFit and they were like, huh, I don't. 200 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,040 Know thruster. You know what that is? 201 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,800 I don't know. I don't know what to do about 202 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:55,880 this. Right, like. 203 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,480 Yeah, by the way, with CrossFit goes, we've never had anything 204 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,440 like this That's so BSI. Like I freaking call Sager Elbow 205 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,040 somebody every single run or swim there is. 206 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,440 Or hey, you should ask Chandler Smith you love. 207 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,880 Chandler left Harris Theonitis. I don't know if y'all remember 208 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,400 him. He was this Greek God of a guy 209 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,240 that was floated up to the gills but. 210 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,840 Made to the game since. 2019 like he was just wrestling move 211 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:27,400 people on the run on the very first workout and then proceeded 212 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,080 to blow up. But there's an interview 213 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,760 somewhere Smitch try to find it a Chandler talking about left 214 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,720 Aristianitis and like let's just see how that worked out for him. 215 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,680 But like then that was it. It was over after that. 216 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:45,160 Never got talked about again. And yeah, like it. 217 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,000 They've had this happen. That's so stupid that CrossFit 218 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,440 says we've never had this before. 219 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:51,880 That almost pisses me off more than that. 220 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:58,200 This is a month and a half ago. Well, yes, I mean it's but I 221 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,600 don't think it's ever happened in that way like we've seen it 222 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,560 happen. But do you think anybody's gone 223 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:06,240 to CrossFit and said, hey, you need to enforce this in the part 224 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,960 of the rule book? I don't think so. 225 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:13,560 And it's it, it's like they did. What was it? 226 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,200 I can't remember if they had a a movement or something like that 227 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,160 this year. And it was like, well, what 228 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,040 happens if we do? And they're like, well, just 229 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,320 don't like, it's an honor system. 230 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:25,720 Like we, we just don't want you to do that. 231 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,800 I can't remember what it was. It it's the the hammer thing 232 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,760 the. The the pole, Yeah. 233 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,640 The sledge. Yeah, the sledge thing. 234 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,320 The Noah Pole. Yeah. 235 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,400 Like they've they've had that before where they just they 236 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,680 implement something and they don't know what to do if it 237 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:43,480 actually ends up happening, right. 238 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:48,440 And so like if nothing else out of this, I hope CrossFit 239 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,320 evaluates like if we put something down and it we'll 240 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:54,000 probably talk about it. Wrote like if you put something 241 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,800 down you have to enforce it. And you know it was like also 242 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,920 like Rich Froning with the thumb around the the barbell for his 243 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,120 bench press like it said you had to do it but we're not going to 244 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,960 we're we said it but you don't have to really think about it. 245 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,080 So like they need to be more consistent from that standpoint, 246 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,880 which I think. They just didn't. 247 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:21,040 They just didn't enforce that because it was Rich froning 248 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,600 CrossFit. Jesus, If it had been anybody 249 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,640 else, they it would have been a major penalty and that person 250 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,200 would have been out of the competition. 251 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,760 I've watched them say Emma Tall was not allowed to go to the 252 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:41,200 games because somebody touched a weight on her barbell and it 253 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,560 affected her in nothing. And Rich Froning just blatantly 254 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,520 doesn't do the rules. It's OK. 255 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,880 I mean, it's not that you know that. 256 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,360 That's why I don't. I get annoyed with Froning 257 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,200 people on the comments that like, say I hate on Mayhem so 258 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,520 much. It's things like that. 259 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,200 They happen all the time. Stepping on the line. 260 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,120 Stepping on the line, it's OK. We won't give you a penalty. 261 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,400 You're rich broning. I mean, if he got penalized the 262 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,160 way they do everybody else, he might have not won as many times 263 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,680 as he's won. So I mean, I know that's that's 264 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:17,120 going a little far, but I'm just saying, you know, Matt Fraser 265 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,000 gets a whole minute because a back fell out of his backpack. 266 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,880 He can't help that. It's just, it's ridiculous. 267 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,240 It's ridiculous. I'm sorry that that's. 268 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,800 I didn't. Mean that going right there? 269 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:35,880 If nothing else, I think this comment here, RBTDC is smiling 270 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,400 behind the scenes about all this drama. 271 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,040 If nothing else. It gets everybody talking about 272 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,280 it. It gets we're going to be 273 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,880 looking forward to Roman and Adler stepping on the same floor 274 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,120 at some point, even if it's all just washed over. 275 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,480 And it's not a big deal. Like, we all want to see that. 276 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,240 I don't know. I mean, like, it brings 277 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,520 intrigue, it brings drama, it brings more than just like we're 278 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,480 all super happy friends together, like you're there to 279 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,160 win, like let's show it and you know, don't be happy with others 280 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,160 if they if you feel like you've been wronged so. 281 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,280 The one, the one important thing I wanted to say about this 282 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,360 before we move on was that I do think Roman was trying to do an 283 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,160 important thing. I don't think it's, I don't 284 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,280 think it's right that we set set a precedent that it's OK to do 285 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,160 this sort of thing. I always think it should be sort 286 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,280 of frowned upon that you do this sort of thing in a competition. 287 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,800 That doesn't mean I don't think you should do it, it just me. 288 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,200 I just think it should be frowned upon. 289 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,360 It shouldn't be encouraged. And I do think that he it seemed 290 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,720 a little weird. I don't know that I don't know 291 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,960 the right or the word that I'm looking for but it seemed a 292 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,160 little strange that he was like thinking so much about like 293 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,720 setting a good example. But he is right. 294 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,160 Like, I don't want, I don't want the teens to be like, OK, let's 295 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,440 just like hurt each other. You know what I mean? 296 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,800 That's this is OK. And I I agree that Adler setting 297 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,040 a bad example, especially talking about it later. 298 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,640 Yeah, Adler probably shouldn't have been talking about it in 299 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:15,280 the way that he did, and for him to to speak in Russian means 300 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,359 that it was kind of pre thought out. 301 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,200 Is that confirmed? I thought that was just a a 302 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,400 thing that Hillary was just grasping. 303 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,480 No, I thought that. I thought that's what they said. 304 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,680 No, that was what That was what Roman said. 305 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,160 He had learned a phrase in Russian. 306 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,280 It was very basic. It was like go or something like 307 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,320 that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 308 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,800 It wasn't like full sentences, but. 309 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,400 Which I appreciate that he went that deep to be able to do that, 310 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:45,880 but again, Roman would have never talked about it had Jeff 311 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,800 not run his mouth so. Yeah. 312 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,040 All right. Next one or you you got John. 313 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:57,800 Last word I. Don't know man, just. 314 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:00,800 I. Don't know? 315 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,360 No, just go on. Just go to the next. 316 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:11,800 Day Rogue Invitational. So we are waiting for the the 317 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,040 online qualifier, the video review process to finish up. 318 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:24,160 It's been, I guess what, what a week now since it Yeah, a little 319 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,360 over a week and a half now since it's closed up and what they've 320 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:35,160 done this year is they've frozen the leaderboard and. 321 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,720 When it'll heat back up. We when it's when it's 322 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,840 finalized. So do we know when? 323 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,680 So yesterday an e-mail was sent out to all of the athletes 324 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,800 saying that two things. First they admitted fault that 325 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,760 work out for with the wall facing handstand push ups. 326 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,400 The discrepancy between the description and the picture 327 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,120 showed where the tape line was. It was different. 328 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:07,640 And so basically they said it's on us, we'll accept either. 329 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,320 So that's that's that's one thing to talk about. 330 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,200 And then second is we'll be emailing all the athletes, you 331 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,160 know, the the penalties that they've received or the, you 332 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,360 know their their video submissions are good. 333 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,640 It said today. And it'll update the leaderboard 334 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,920 when all of that is completed. That was yesterday. 335 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:33,760 So we're still waiting. The first part is the tape line 336 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,720 and the discrepancy, right. Hiller covered it with Danny 337 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,680 Spiegel of It was 10 inches to the inside, The description 338 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,400 said. 10 inches to the outside, a 2 inch difference. 339 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,400 How? How big of a difference does 340 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,240 that make, John? I think that's different for 341 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,000 everybody. Everybody's arms are different. 342 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,800 I think it helps. I mean that's hard to say. 343 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:01,760 Like I know my my wife on that line that like the inside of the 344 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,200 like the harbor of those two things like that's where she 345 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,360 normally goes and it's. Means nothing to her. 346 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:12,600 For me, like it is easier the further out I am. 347 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:17,640 But again, I don't know how big of a difference. 2 inches man. 348 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,760 Not a lot. It's like it does make a 349 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:20,440 difference. That's. 350 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:21,160 What? She said. 351 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,240 But, like, not a lot. Oh, I didn't. 352 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,400 I didn't even catch myself doing that. 353 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:32,240 The Yeah. So like, I mean you might get, I 354 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,120 don't know, five more reps than you would have. 355 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:38,040 Not gotten before. That was for the snatch, The 356 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,920 snatch and the handstand. Push up one, right? 357 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,080 Yes, so the last one. Maybe you would have three more 358 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:49,040 handstand push ups to failure than you would have before. 359 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,320 Would like the other way around. Does that, does that make sense? 360 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,040 I don't think it makes a huge difference, but it does. 361 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,120 If you were like on the brink of failure, it probably did make a 362 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:01,800 difference on that rap. Do you? 363 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,560 Do you agree, Tyler? And do you like how Rogue is 364 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:09,880 handling it? I am reminded of Phil Knight in 365 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,560 his book talks about his coach. This is Nike, the guy who owns 366 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,960 Nike. His coach trying to take an 367 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,720 ounce off of a shoe. An ounce over a mile equals a 368 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:26,600 what is it, 55 lbs? I I I feel like that this is a 369 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,040 similar situation where it might not seem like a lot in the 370 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,040 short, but I think over the course of those reps it makes a 371 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,280 big difference, especially when you're starting to push the 372 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:42,120 heavier weight. To me that difference is a game 373 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:46,400 changer like but I have really short arms so it make like it 374 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,560 just makes the short range of motion even shorter and you know 375 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,200 like Danny Spiegel has a short range of motion with her arms 376 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,200 already and so I just don't like it. 377 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,200 Like, we can argue about the nuance of it. 378 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,640 I think they did the right thing by just saying, sorry, we're 379 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,240 going to have to let you go with this one. 380 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,480 They they screwed up, so they got to take it on the chin. 381 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,880 But I think it does make a difference. 382 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:11,840 All right, let me let me caveat then. 383 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,680 I think. I think if you're good at 384 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,320 handstand push ups, it doesn't make that much of A of a 385 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,360 difference. If you're bad and it's a 386 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:21,640 weakness, then it does make a difference. 387 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,000 Does that would you agree with that Tyler? 388 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,520 Like like also like for me in this workout, I think I could go 389 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,600 unbroken. 2 inches down or two inches up wouldn't matter. 390 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,200 I think I go unbroken, doesn't matter. 391 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,880 But you take somebody who's not as good at handstand push ups, 392 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,760 then I think it does make a huge difference. 393 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,800 Like, I think you think you're broken the whole time, 2 inches 394 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,880 down to inches. I'm good at handstand push ups. 395 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,520 I think it's the speed of Rep would change towards the end of 396 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,080 the workout. I think you would be able to go 397 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,040 faster, longer just 'cause you don't have this far to go. 398 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,400 And so, I mean, I don't think it's much of a difference, but I 399 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,240 think it would make a difference if you're snatching, what was 400 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,520 it, 245 two? 65 Though, like the snatch, 401 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,880 weight's not heavy at all. I think it got fairly it got 402 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,240 decently heavy, wasn't it like? I was just waiting for Tyler to 403 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,520 make a face. I was just trying. 404 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,360 That was just. I know. 405 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:20,000 I I'm just joking. No I I. 406 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:22,640 I try not to come back when it comes to weight. 407 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,600 I know I'm weak, so I just don't understand like if you say so I 408 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,440 I agree with. You, I and I guess if you're 409 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,200 talking about like seconds on a leaderboard it would make a huge 410 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,960 difference. Then I'm thinking this in terms 411 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,040 of doing the workout. But like if you're if you are 412 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,720 two inches down and everybody else is 2 inches up, you know 413 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,600 what I mean? Like in that, say that gives you 414 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,920 10 seconds. That's a lot like like on a 415 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,520 leaderboard. That makes a huge difference, 416 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:50,920 right? But it's not only that. 417 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:56,400 So two inches out I think would be even more down because you're 418 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,960 working with a triangle. I'm going to get real math heavy 419 00:23:58,960 --> 00:23:59,920 here, but you know what I'm saying? 420 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:03,320 Like a 2 inch difference out makes a bigger difference down 421 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,520 and so and and and you're right. Like how do I think always? 422 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,320 I think Z score and I'm starting to think seconds, like seconds, 423 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,720 matter to me more than they matter to other people. 424 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,640 No, I mean on a leaderboard, every second, every second. 425 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,280 Yeah, right. Especially a blind leaderboard 426 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,960 like this. Yeah, I mean you you see like 427 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,960 Danny Spiegel obviously and and Jessica and Drozik, she's the 428 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:31,080 the Coltons on the women's side, if you remember the semi finals 429 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,080 50. She can do 50 strict, unbroken 430 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:36,760 Jessica Androsnick. Yeah. 431 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,280 And so she's, I mean, she's a short one too, but I mean as you 432 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,960 get down here in the middle of of it, right. 433 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,120 So like Kyra's in here, Elena, they're both in qualifying spots 434 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,840 and they're down in 19th and 20th. 435 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,520 So, you know, again, 10 seconds gives you a few points, good or 436 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,360 bad. I'm really curious to know how 437 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:59,400 many did it 10 inches from the inside and how many did it 10 438 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,880 inches from the outside? I'm I'm willing to bet they all 439 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,880 did it correctly. Except Danny Spiegel. 440 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:08,600 Come on. Come on. 441 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:12,640 No, you know why? You know why? 442 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,800 Like I think the majority of them did it correctly because in 443 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,880 the open it specifically said. It's the same. 444 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,920 The harder way, right. Like it's 10 inches from the 445 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,440 from the outside and the open. It was like that in quarter 446 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,000 finals. It's like that that sets a 447 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,000 standard as that's what it's supposed to be. 448 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,800 You know that that's what it's supposed to be. 449 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,400 Don't say you saw in this way it's 10 inches from the inside. 450 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,600 So that's what I did. You know what the standard is 451 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,560 supposed to be. A lot of people got a hard 452 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,480 penalty because of it. Right? 453 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,320 Like I You can't. I'm. 454 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,640 You can't. Tell me for a second, Danny 455 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,920 Spiegel didn't know that's what it was supposed to be. 456 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,160 And since you found that little loophole, she was like, I'm 457 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,160 going to do it the easy way. I'm willing to wet bet the 458 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,160 majority of it. People did it the right way. 459 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,920 I'm not saying everybody, but I'm willing to bet the majority 460 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,600 did it the right way. Is this like, you know what a 461 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,240 thruster is? Come on, bro. 462 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,240 Like we know now. We now know that 10 inches is 463 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,800 the standard. I mean, I whatever is set for 464 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,920 the Open or quarterfinals. Yeah. 465 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,840 That is the standard that everybody should use from then 466 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,840 on out. The 2nd that 10 inch line got 467 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,320 introduced. You should never do a handstand 468 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,200 push up in the box ever again. It should always be on the 10 469 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,000 inch line. That's the standard set before 470 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,800 you and if a new standard comes about then that's how you're 471 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,120 going to do it. And if the people are still 472 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:42,560 doing it from the box and not the 10 inch line when the open 473 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,600 comes around, you're going to be screwed because the 10 inch line 474 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,960 is different. It's you know what I mean? 475 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,600 And and and like all of these athletes, you know, they're the 476 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,160 fittest people in the world. They know that. 477 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,160 You know what I mean? They it's like they know they 478 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,480 are flirting the line or cheating the rules a little bit. 479 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,720 It's not like, oh, this is just how I always done it. 480 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,120 They know how to follow standards. 481 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,280 Alyssa I wish that was the case. We need standards that don't 482 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,720 ever change or that they're set at the beginning of the season, 483 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,960 like the Open. And that's kind of what doesn't 484 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,280 change the rest of the way. Tyler, are you doing some math 485 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,840 over there or writing a book? Yeah, I was. 486 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,480 I was trying to figure out what the difference in height would 487 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,080 be. So a 2 inch difference is going 488 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:42,920 to be half half an inch in in distance down, which over the 489 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,520 course of a 24 reps is a whole. 12 foot. 490 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,920 It was 55 reps, right in this, yeah, an inch each direction. 491 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,960 Yeah. So, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 492 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,920 Yeah. So in 12 reps you've you've 493 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,880 missed a whole foot and I'm assuming that it's two feet. 494 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,520 I I think, I think it's making the difference of probably 4 495 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,680 reps at the end. So you're finishing four reps 496 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,160 faster? Which is about 10 seconds. 497 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,640 Yes, yeah, if you're, if you're. Moving fast or unless unless 498 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,320 that third unless unless the 3rd or 4th Rep you have to come back 499 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,800 down. Right, right. 500 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,680 And then it's. A whole lot. 501 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,800 More, yeah, it's it's 4 reps it it or it's 10 seconds if you're 502 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,800 fast, but not if you're not good at handstand push ups. 503 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,040 And so like, I mean, these are the arguments you start getting 504 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,520 into and this is all back, you know, back in napkin math. 505 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,160 This is me just quickly trying to assume things, so. 506 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,200 What about this from Thomas Radney? 507 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,000 No one noticed an Astro. Ask for forgiveness, not 508 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,280 permission. Always. 509 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,880 I will say I think Rogue did the right thing in saying that we 510 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,080 will accept both since they did make the air. 511 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,920 It is there, right? It says it both ways. 512 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,560 The fact that they're not like they are owning up, they emailed 513 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,440 everybody and we're like, that's our bad. 514 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,880 We made that mistake. We're going to accept 515 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,800 everybody's score. I do think that's the right 516 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,480 call. I think that's something we 517 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,840 don't see from CrossFit ever, and I think they went about it 518 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:28,920 the right way. As for the actual leaderboard, 519 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:34,040 I've talked to quite a few athletes as I've heard it. 520 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:40,120 Now I have one confirmed in the men's side on the top five who 521 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,320 has received a penalty, Another one I've heard a rumor on and 522 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,840 I've heard at least two more in the top 10 have received a 523 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,840 penalty of some sort that's ranging from major to, you know, 524 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,440 basically a score being invalidated. 525 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,640 On the women's side, we've already heard it's Sydney 526 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:05,640 Michelation has received a a penalty on Workout 4 for not 527 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,880 measuring the tape line and her score will be invalidated. 528 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,640 There's another woman in the top five that's also gotten it. 529 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,040 I don't know of anybody else in the top ten, but out of the 20 530 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:24,880 top ten athletes, men and women, there's six penalties that I 531 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,240 know of so far. And that's not asking everybody. 532 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,360 It is this or something we have to get used to in online 533 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,880 competitions. Yeah. 534 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,720 I mean, this goes back to what I was saying last week. 535 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,120 You even want a leaderboard if you don't know, like it just 536 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,040 makes us talk about nothing. Because if if in the top ten 537 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,280 there are that many and that you've asked, it has to be the 538 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,680 same going down, yeah, it's got, it's probably going to get even 539 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,040 worse going down. So it's like the whole 540 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,160 leaderboard's going to adjust. You just go to the top five 541 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,080 though, wouldn't you? What do you mean until you have 542 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:09,520 5 names that are good to go? Well, I don't know if you can, 543 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,760 because they're somebody that's in 22nd could impact the 544 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,880 standings of everybody else that's in the top five. 545 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,840 It's like they have a bigger job than they than that. 546 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,680 It's a. It's a butterfly effect, yeah. 547 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,480 Yeah. But it's. 548 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,720 I mean, yeah, one woman had the wrong weights. 549 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,400 Her coach put the wrong weights in. 550 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,280 Another guy has an issue with lunges. 551 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,080 Gorgeous. He he's the one on the men's 552 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,160 side. And he was telling me that he, 553 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,000 you know how the rope is longer right on the ground and and 554 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,680 Panchak hurt you know, twisted his ankle or whatever. 555 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,920 So what he's been doing since 2021 is that as Jimmy takes a 556 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,040 kettlebell and ties the rope around a kettlebell and kind of 557 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,600 makes it slide out to the side so he doesn't step on it. 558 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,120 And he's done this for quarter finals, semifinals, all the 559 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,560 video or quarter finals at the for the for the CrossFit Games. 560 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,760 And he's always gotten it passed, Like they've reviewed 561 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,880 his video and accepted it, and now Rogue has not. 562 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,080 They didn't tell people to have control on the way down in any 563 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,960 of those competitions. It's completely different that 564 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,840 that's that's the argument ever. Gorgos. 565 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,480 Every single rope climb workout we've ever had online has just 566 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,720 been a normal rope climb. You can just jump down. 567 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,760 This is the very first one. You have to show control. 568 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,120 Two hands on the rope all the way to the ground and you just 569 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,600 jump down. He didn't. 570 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,160 No, he didn't jump down. Who am I thinking of? 571 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,800 Then? Somebody just jumped down. 572 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,920 I thought it was him. Leahy. 573 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,000 You're always you're always talking about Leahy. 574 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,560 No, it's not Leahy. There was another dude. 575 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,880 That oh, was it Victor? Was it Hopper? 576 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,280 Was it Hopper? I think so. 577 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,040 Because then. Hopper is going to have a 578 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,560 penalty too, then correct? That's another one in the top 579 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,320 five that if you I'm. If you go to who? 580 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,920 If it's Hoffer. I thought it was your ghost but 581 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,360 maybe maybe I'm wrong. But it's on Hiller's video. 582 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,120 But if it's Victor Hopper, that's another one in the top 583 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,080 five. He just jumps down. 584 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,400 He doesn't like just disregards everything like that's just 585 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,120 that's a 0. Yeah. 586 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,760 What, what Rogue is telling Jorgos is that it by having it, 587 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,320 you know, off the ground and tied to a a kettlebell, it's 588 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,040 providing more like stabilization control versus 589 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,440 having it, you know, flopping around. 590 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,200 I don't know, maybe. I'm not sure it's enough to to 591 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,120 do that, but it wasn't in the rule books that you couldn't as 592 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,920 far as I know. But that's kind of where he 593 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,880 stands. But given this, we have four 594 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,440 people potentially that are going to receive a a penalty. 595 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,480 I know a couple have appealed it. 596 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,560 I don't think they go very well at Rogue. 597 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,080 I think they pretty much have a 0 tolerance policy but we're one 598 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,800 additional penalty which I don't know if Victor Hoffer would have 599 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,199 enough to drop him down but we're we're one penalty away 600 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,560 from Mr. Hopper making a top five. 601 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,520 Cristobal has gotten 2 workouts back. 602 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,280 Approved, but if we have. Not be ahead of Hopper. 603 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,719 Yeah, but we'd have. 555 drop out Jason would be the the fifth 604 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,960 one in so so. Hold on, let me let. 605 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:41,360 Me do? What about my boy? 606 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,840 So hold. On hold on, Who's your boy? 607 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,760 My boy, Travis. Oh, he's good, man. 608 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,639 He's on playing the rules. Correctly. 609 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,920 We won't talk about last year, but. 610 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,440 OK, yeah, I was. I mean, he probably learned his 611 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,880 lesson last year. He weighed his weights, right? 612 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,040 I guess I I mean spin hasn't heard anything. 613 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:07,520 So if we know, we know. Will we know your ghost? 614 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,960 Do you? You know your ghost, right? 615 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:17,600 He's out because of that annual Okai and get Gian Gian and and 616 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,600 if it's Victor that let's go over the rope. 617 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,320 I I thought it was your ghost. But if it's Victor, then we got 618 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,240 Ricky Travis. Tudor. 619 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:28,560 Tudor. Tyler. 620 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,000 Alan Hopper. Yeah. 621 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,160 I don't know if Victor, you know. 622 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,320 It all depends on what the the how major of a penalty it is, 623 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,040 right. But. 624 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,200 Duty dried. Let's go the road. 625 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:44,440 If they penalized your ghost for that, his was the most egregious 626 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,120 of them all. I I get it. 627 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,920 So I yeah, I mean, I I've heard some crazy stories on the 628 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,280 penalties that have been assessed. 629 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,720 I won't get into some of those details 'cause they are still 630 00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:03,040 under appeal. But I mean, I I don't like this. 631 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:09,120 Like we see a leaderboard and half potentially of the top ten 632 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,320 all receive major penalties that kick him out. 633 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,560 Like that's crazy. Like we got to do something 634 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:22,280 different. In my opinion, only one, only 635 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,600 one is well, two I guess would be movement standards at least, 636 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,600 you know, maybe not standing up, but there's like a penalty or 637 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,720 Rep or two, right? But everything I'm hearing are 638 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:33,600 more major penalties or scores are completely invalidated. 639 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,760 This seems like a lot of squeeze for not a lot of juice, You know 640 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,600 what I mean? Like everything. 641 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,480 Everything's at their discretion. 642 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,200 Do the athletes have to pay to do this? 643 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,600 Like, I'm wondering about, like they all have to pay. 644 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,120 So it just seems like a revenue scheme at this point. 645 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,760 Like that's all you're doing it for. 646 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,840 If you're if you make the rules anyway and they can just decide, 647 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,920 you know what, we're just going to invite 20 anyway. 648 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,840 We don't really need you. Or maybe we just take one. 649 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,000 It's like that's a lot of competition, a lot of sorting 650 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,360 through crap, which makes a lot of what I'm about to say make a 651 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,120 lot of sense. So I've reached out to a few 652 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,360 people who I knew that work behind the scenes in judging and 653 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,280 and scoring last year on this. And they all, none of them are 654 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,600 on the team now and they're the all new people are on the team. 655 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,000 And 'cause I was asking them why, Why did there seem to be so 656 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,920 many problems this year? And they were like, I think it's 657 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,200 a very, very small team compared to what it was last year, which 658 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,760 means they've cut the budget. They realize this is not a lot 659 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,080 of juice worth the squeeze. Hey, are you are you able to 660 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,600 play Hiller's video on here? I can try. 661 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,200 I can try to. I can try to find it. 662 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,880 Go to go to 840. OK 840 on Hiller's video, the 663 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,480 one where we're talking about this stuff. 664 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,080 OK, it is your ghost care of this. 665 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:58,280 Quit telling me that I'm wrong. You can see his kettlebell tied 666 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,480 to the rope in the video and he just drops from the rope. 667 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,160 Is it your ghost too? Because I don't. 668 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,400 Want to get Hopper's hopes up when Victor Hopper's climbing 669 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,440 the rope correctly? Because Hopper's watching right 670 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,240 now. He wants to know what we know. 671 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,720 You said 848 forty. There we go. 672 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:24,440 Are you able to play it with sound? 673 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,960 No, but yeah, you see this is you see, you see the kettlebell, 674 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,280 which is not really doing anything, which I mean I guess 675 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,000 it's kind of pulling off a little bit to the side. 676 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,320 OK, now you're telling me, your ghost. 677 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,880 I've always done it this way. I don't know why my kettlebell 678 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,040 makes a difference. It's because you jumped off the 679 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,000 freaking rope. You got to hold on to it too. 680 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,720 It makes no sense. Like you know what you're doing. 681 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,960 Yes, that that. That mean was he controlled, 682 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,880 though? It doesn't matter. 683 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,920 He's off of it. Oh yeah, this is a double hand 684 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:07,360 rule. Right. 685 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,000 Did you read Page Six of the rules? 686 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,440 You know, I skipped Page Six. I read all the others, it seems 687 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,160 5 pages. Had to have both hands on the 688 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,880 rope and feet on the ground. Oh, OK. 689 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,880 So. And he said because I tied my 690 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,800 rope to my kettlebell, that's why I got my penalty. 691 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,160 Well, that's why you see. How ridiculous of a reason that 692 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,440 is right now. That's why they're saying that's 693 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,480 why he. That's at least that's what he 694 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,040 told me. That's what I'm saying. 695 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,360 If you see how ridiculous that sounds now though, after seeing 696 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,600 that. Well, they get they. 697 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,840 They said one. That's why they penalized them. 698 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,480 They could have penalized them, apparently for both. 699 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,160 That's they penalized them for that. 700 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,960 They didn't penalize them for the kettlebell thing. 701 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,280 He's lying to you. I'm telling you right now, when 702 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,680 he told you that you should like your ghost, you're lying. 703 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,520 That was the trashiest real crime I've ever seen in my life. 704 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,400 You read page 67, Part B of the of the rule. 705 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:04,080 You know, hold on to it all the way down. 706 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,520 Don't let me. Learn. 707 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,800 Greek until you talk trash in Greek pull you the old Jeffrey 708 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:18,320 Adler on you. Man fighting words with Yorgas. 709 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,240 I'm just no if y'all told me I was wrong like four times that 710 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,040 that's not the guy. I thought it was off the road, 711 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,760 but as confuse it with a different European. 712 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,160 And I'm. I'm sad now. 713 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,720 I was. I was hoping it was Hopper. 714 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,400 No. Sorry, Victor. 715 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,680 I I don't hope that I'm just pulling for my people. 716 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,360 Alyssa, any rumors or penalties for Ricky Mack or will he be 717 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,880 there? I have not heard any yet. 718 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,920 He's all good, Alyssa. As far as I know. 719 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,160 And his weights are weighed, right? 720 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,160 He's got three O 5.25 or something. 721 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,520 It's like the most exact thing in the. 722 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,040 World. But, but what's crazy is I was 723 00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:01,240 talking to Jr. and he was, you know, he was weighing the 724 00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:07,720 weights for Jason and like, he would weigh a rogue plate and it 725 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:11,680 would come out, instead of 45 lbs, it would say 44.95 and he'd 726 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,280 be like, Nope, let's try a new one. 727 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,440 Like, that's crazy, right? Like, but he doesn't want to be 728 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:23,480 the one that is responsible for rogue CS 44.95 and says, you 729 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,720 know, Nope, it's invalid. Which my response to him was the 730 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:32,160 kilogram to pound conversion is a bigger difference than that. 731 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:37,840 Way bigger. You know, so I I don't know. 732 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,560 This is, I don't like seeing it, I think. 733 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,000 Which is what we were saying last week. 734 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,000 Yeah, like, I don't know if it, I don't think I saw somebody 735 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,000 comment like why don't we just hide the leaderboard until it's 736 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,040 completely done and then just show. 737 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,320 Like here's the final, but I think that just masks the 738 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,240 problem and I don't know what the solution is. 739 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,320 I think they're doing it the best way they can. 740 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,560 You almost want it to be like, this is what they submitted. 741 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,040 And then y'all will get to see everybody that did it right and 742 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,440 everybody that did it wrong, right. 743 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,440 Like, I don't mind it. I'm annoyed that it's taking so 744 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,440 long, but I feel like this is the they're doing. 745 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,360 I feel like it's the best way it can be done. 746 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,080 You know what I mean? I like this better. 747 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,560 At least it's frozen. Remember last year it was like 748 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,440 Colton was like second place and then he was like 30th. 749 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,120 Because I'm bouncing back and forth. 750 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,720 I like at least that it's fixed. I just don't like the fact that 751 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:41,760 we're we're getting to a point where over 25% of the athletes 752 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,640 end up getting a penalty. Some of them are completely 753 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,120 legit, right? But some of them are not 754 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,360 measuring a tape line and I don't know all of the other 755 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,520 ones, but like, I just don't like it right. 756 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,680 It seems like it it turns out to be who can get by with a video 757 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,240 review versus who's the fittest. So I'm not sure the best way to 758 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:12,520 to solve it, but we'll move on to the Madrid Championship so 759 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,800 Mr. Friend will be out there to Madrid. 760 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,360 Pretty good field honestly isn't. 761 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,320 Peter going to go too. I think Peter will be out there. 762 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,560 Pedro from coffee pods and wads will be out there, I think. 763 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,600 I don't know what he's doing in what capacity, but quite a few 764 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:35,400 games athletes. Adrian Moonweiler from Back in 765 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,280 the day. I think Catullus was 20/19. 766 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,000 Yeah, well, everybody was there a lot of. 767 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,920 Well, there's there's your boy, your goes. 768 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,560 This will be the only big competition he does in the month 769 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,000 of October or what is September and October. 770 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,400 Yeah, that didn't work out for me. 771 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,600 Yon koski laser Luca. Yeah, it's like. 772 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,160 There's a lot of good people. Luca von Yak. 773 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,280 He's good, isn't he? Yeah, Luca von Yak. 774 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,040 He was like 7th or 8th in the European final. 775 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,120 All the training think tanks going to be there. 776 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,800 Simon Mantila Mr., Travis Mayer. Oldest. 777 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:22,160 Oldest Yeah, it's a solid line up on the men's side, the 778 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,080 women's side. Is this all invite? 779 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,480 No. Well, no, it's it's pretty much 780 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,480 a qualifier. And then they invite athletes 781 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:38,680 like Onica and Travis. But yeah, Solberg, Greer. 782 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,080 Garatala's. Good. 783 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,280 Ellie Lumberg was on a team this year. 784 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,880 Emma Gardner's always been at I don't know, did she make semi 785 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,160 finals this year? Who? 786 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:51,960 Emma Gardner. I can't. 787 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,720 Remember, I'm not. Sure. 788 00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:57,640 Lane 8 herself. Jackie Dahlstrom, Miss Lane 8. 789 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,280 Jennifer Muir. She was up there in the near the 790 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,320 top for a while at semi finals and. 791 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:03,920 Frey. That's a big name. 792 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,480 Frey Ova. She might win. 793 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,680 Jacqueline should make her own jerseys and just put the number 794 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,840 8 on them. That would be that would take 795 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,680 the piss out. Please do that. 796 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,960 Tyler Yeah, Leah Storin. Didn't you pick her to like 797 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,280 qualify for the games? I think it's the no. 798 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,120 Show I was I was heavy on the Norwegians. 799 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:37,000 Madeline Pearson It's up there 30 Victoria campus I have a 800 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,480 daughter wild to see Victoria campus making it all the way 801 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,440 over there. But when we think about the 802 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:50,320 these type of competitions we think about worldwide rankings 803 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,880 or or the spin top 25. How much weight do you put into 804 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,000 any of this, John? The Madrid Championship. 805 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,680 Yeah, If you see, if you see Travis, if you see Travis Mayor, 806 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,160 go and just win. No, you don't care. 807 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,480 No, it doesn't change any opinion of Travis Mayer. 808 00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:10,360 Nope. I mean like if he goes out there 809 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,760 and dominates like. Or what if? 810 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,360 What if Victoria Campos does what? 811 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,120 Like she She wins nothing. Nothing. 812 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,000 Nothing. If if Travis were to beat, who's 813 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,800 is Lazar in this or is it Luca? Laza and both are. 814 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,440 So if he so, OK, so like if Travis were to beat Lazar like 815 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,640 convincingly and then that would influence me. 816 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:41,640 Aside from that, nothing. Tyler, do you agree? 817 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:42,800 Do you? Look, I mean, don't. 818 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,880 I mean, he can't feel like he. Put Travis any higher. 819 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,400 Top three. He's already write it. 820 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,480 Down You have to redo the shirts, but we could do the top 821 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,040 three. Top five was thought. 822 00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,720 He still counts. Yeah, I I agree with John on 823 00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:03,560 this one. I mean, to a certain degree it's 824 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,480 like when I used to measure competitions to see how 825 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,000 comparable they were to others, like I would just drop one like 826 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,000 this because the depth of the field just isn't there. 827 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,560 So you end up like if you're Travis, you're just competing 828 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,520 with five guys for the most part really. 829 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,640 And so I mean it doesn't really say much to me. 830 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,680 You're just not. You're not competing with the 831 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,240 depth of field that you have to to prove anything to me. 832 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,080 So what are you? About as reliable like as the 833 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,720 Open That's how much. Yeah is what if. 834 00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:33,600 How you do in the open. Right. 835 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,040 Right. It's it's nothing. 836 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,960 Are there any, is there anything you kind of take from this 837 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,360 though and look at so they kind of keep in the back of my mind 838 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,600 like a specific workout or or like somebody does really well, 839 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,720 I mean is that do you ever draw upon that? 840 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,120 That would be it if somebody had like some crazy score. 841 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,280 But we would need to know about what was possible. 842 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,960 So if it was like some novel workout that we didn't 843 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,520 understand. But if they run like or if they, 844 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,280 if they did like, I don't know, 30 ring muscle up some broken, 845 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,240 it's like and they did it in some stupid crazy time, it's 846 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:05,800 like OK, like that's. Really good at ring muscle. 847 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,600 Up. Yeah, that's what you take from 848 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,280 that, right. But besides that, like, I'm not, 849 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,960 I'm not saying, well, they won, they won Madrid. 850 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:19,040 It's like, I'll use it like as a qualifier, like, well, you know, 851 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,440 Monica Greer did go out and won Madrid, so she's on like a bit 852 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,400 of a A roll right now. She's she's got a little win 853 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,600 under her. But it doesn't really like if if 854 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,080 she won here and then went to rogue and did poorly, I'd be 855 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,080 like, OK, that makes sense, you know what I mean? 856 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,880 Yeah, I I would agree with that. But, like, I might look at if I 857 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,400 knew specific athletes, like the people who are going to be at 858 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,480 the Games, if I knew what like their weaknesses are, which for 859 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,120 a lot of them I do, but some of them I don't. 860 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,160 So like, just for the ones that I do know, oh, this person's 861 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,080 really weak at this. But you take Monica Greer, she's 862 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,240 very little machines, are not her friend. 863 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,000 If she went out and I got and was hanging with Karan Freyova 864 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,880 on the bike, I'll be like she has worked that weakness, all 865 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,000 right. So then like I wouldn't be 866 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,040 afraid of her in a bike workout where before I'm like she ain't 867 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,280 going to do good on this one, right. 868 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,440 So like, I would take away that, like just if I know specific 869 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:26,000 weaknesses and see if they had worked on that. 870 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,360 But it would have to be like an eye opening thing. 871 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,960 And after that, I mean it's about, it's about it. 872 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:36,400 Like, would you say you were so high on the people that were 873 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,160 good at Water Palooza last year? Like, like like it was 874 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,440 everything to you. I don't know why Water Palooza 875 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,840 stuck out to you so much, but like you based your whole 876 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,480 rankings on how people did at water. 877 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:48,440 Pollution. That's not true. 878 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:55,600 Oh, it was pretty true, Brent for, and I was like Brian, water 879 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,800 Palooza. It does not matter at what you 880 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,560 think out like in total fitness. It doesn't matter when it comes 881 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,720 to the games. How did Paige Powers do? 882 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,560 Did she show up that? She could. 883 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:12,000 She was supposed to do 10th. Yeah, but she came from, what, 884 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,280 23rd or something like that from water? 885 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:15,520 Palooza. Right. 886 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,680 And I use Water Palooza as saying that she's making those 887 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,120 improvements. Yeah, but I then you have her 888 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,080 like sixth or something. No, no. 889 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:25,680 OK. Well. 890 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,880 No, no, other other than my Brent pick. 891 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,320 I wasn't that far off. I understand. 892 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,320 If I don't, if I don't think water Palooza is the end all be 893 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,760 all. Madrid definitely ain't going to 894 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,120 make a dent in in things like Rogue and semi finals I think 895 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,680 are the only competitions you can take anything away from as 896 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:52,120 far as people's actual fitness versus other top end fitness. 897 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,000 Water Palooza. You can take workouts. 898 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,960 Specific workouts in my in my opinion. 899 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,600 Tyler, do you agree? Yeah I I I agree I give a little 900 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,440 more weight to water Palooza. But like even still last year 901 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,560 like I remember ranking the women and it was like this is 902 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,360 probably if you win it's about as good as the 17th place finish 903 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,200 of the games. Like it's still in context 904 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,440 you're you're definitely starting to show something 905 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,560 there. This was last year, of course, 906 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,720 but like they pull such big names that you can you can start 907 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:30,120 to talk about like this. Probably it is pretty good. 908 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,000 You're going to make the games or you're going to, you're going 909 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,000 to be a name. The problem is as they've 910 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,400 started to change the formats more, the workouts change so 911 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,400 that it's like you might not be talking about games level, but 912 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,760 it's worth like a 17th at like maybe a semifinals, something 913 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,040 like that. Like their workouts I think are 914 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,080 starting to come away from what a game style, like what speaks 915 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,160 to a game athlete. Does that make sense? 916 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,840 If you do, well, it's still a good qualifier, but it means 917 00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,560 more to me that you might do well in my finals. 918 00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to base my rankings 919 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,720 off of this. Much more, much, much heavier 920 00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:07,360 water. Water polo is much heavier to 921 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:08,760 me. I just think even. 922 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,880 The vibe like I think it has games level, people without a 923 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,920 games level vibe like as far as compete. 924 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,520 Intensity. It's a party, you know what I 925 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:21,720 mean? Everybody's just going here to 926 00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:23,640 have a good time. Yeah, we're competing. 927 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,920 But it's not this. It is like you don't go there 928 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,720 to, like, talk Russian trash, you know what I mean? 929 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:33,320 Like, I feel like you have that at Rogue. 930 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,480 Rogue, to me is the closest thing we have to the games. 931 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,600 Just smaller, you know what I mean? 932 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,560 Or you have the top, if you have the top 15 guys or women from 933 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,320 the games. Or pretty much the same. 934 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,840 Well, waterpaloos that we had like the top ten guys like 935 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,440 waterpaloos. On the on the men's side, for 936 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,440 sure. Yeah, it's just it's just the 937 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,080 vibe is so different to me. It's hard for me to, you know, I 938 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,080 feel like certain people are peaked out and certain people 939 00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,400 are not peaked out. It's just I don't like like, 940 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,360 Tyler said. I think it's. 941 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:02,680 I think it's. You could use it as a 942 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,160 checkpoint. Yeah, I I also look at it as 943 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,760 some of the middle tier like we'd mentioned some of the semi 944 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,440 final athletes. I think it is a good kind of 945 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,680 metric to see how they do compete against the top better 946 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,840 athletes if they can beat them pretty well. 947 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:26,640 You know, if you have a, you know, say Andrea Solberg ends up 948 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,720 podium, right? Like, she's always in the mix of 949 00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,960 potentially qualifying out of Europe if she goes in podiums 950 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,880 and beats Karen Friova, right? Like. 951 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,800 Even that go, man, I don't know who won Dubai. 952 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,040 Was it Moritz Phoebig or no, no, no, no. 953 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,000 It was somebody. Else. 954 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,920 Yeah. No, no. 955 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,600 It was Bobby. It was Benito. 956 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,200 Benito. Yeah, yeah. 957 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,640 Bobby and Benito won. Dubai beat Bukowski. 958 00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,600 He beat another big name, too. Who else was that? 959 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:55,720 Dubai. There was two big names. 960 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,240 Bazaar bazaar. Beat Bukowski and Lazar. 961 00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:00,640 I think Ricky was there too, right? 962 00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,880 No, he couldn't. Was that last year? 963 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:08,600 OK, but regardless, Bukowski, Mazar 2 top ten games guys, 964 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,400 perennial, and he beat those guys, it meant nothing. 965 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,400 He just had like the greatest competition for him and they had 966 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,400 bad competitions or you know, Dubai is always funky with their 967 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,240 events. Well, Brent was coming from 968 00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:24,560 Egypt, too. He was like, but I'm saying 969 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,840 like. In Dubai, which is a really big 970 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,160 competition, it meant nothing because how did he do with the 971 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,840 games? He wasn't with them. 972 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,320 They were two different people, right? 973 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,000 Like, like that's that's kind of like if Andrea Solberg were to 974 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,720 win and beat Karn Freyova. I'm still going to put Karn 975 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:48,360 Freyova top 20 in the games. I'm not going to put Andrea 976 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,360 Solberg anywhere close. You see what I'm saying? 977 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,000 Like it just these things don't mean a lot for me. 978 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,280 It's just, it's just weakness, work, any competition. 979 00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,880 Is. Go ahead, go ahead. 980 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:05,120 But I'm pulling, I pulled up the the Dubai leaderboard and what 981 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,600 strikes me is that Lazar did so poorly last year. 982 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,320 And it's like, I think what you deal with a lot. 983 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,520 Because I remember what didn't he like, tweak his back when 984 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,920 they were walking, they did the stair run and stuff like that. 985 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,360 It's like. He he didn't fuel properly. 986 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,600 He about passed out. Oh yeah, it's something like 987 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:23,920 that. But it's like if you're not 988 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,160 feeling good, you're pulling out or you're you're you're pulling 989 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,880 up. At least like in these offseason 990 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,640 competitions, we're at the games like you'll break your foot and 991 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,360 you're like, I'm going to go into the next event, I don't 992 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,400 care. And so that's to me, that's part 993 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,640 of the intangible part that you have to think about is like 994 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,040 there's not a lot for these athletes to sell out on. 995 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,600 There's no reason to. So it's like the the stakes 996 00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,040 being lower, everything's just it's less meaningful. 997 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,120 You know, Rogue's about the only one that's as meaningful. 998 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:59,440 As the games and I think that it's just cause the payday it's 999 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:04,000 top it's you it is the top ten guys in the world it is and 1000 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:09,320 girls it is the best of the best and then you're you're getting 1001 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,000 paid one spot is $15,000. Right. 1002 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,640 That's a lot. Where? 1003 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:15,960 Nowhere. Where Madrid. 1004 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,040 Do you know what the Madrid prize prize purse is? 1005 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,640 It's not very much I know. That it just it just. 1006 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,360 I don't I. That's why. 1007 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,200 That's why these things don't mean a lot to me. 1008 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,040 Yeah, I just, I kind of wish that they had more meaning, 1009 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,440 right? Like I wish we would see more, 1010 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,840 more athletes, better competition. 1011 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:44,720 They did, Once Upon a time. When they were, well, the season 1012 00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:46,200 was different. Four years ago, yeah, When they 1013 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,960 were sanctioned. Yeah, four years ago. 1014 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,520 Guess and no. Guess and no. 1015 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,120 I think you just get lucky. With what sanction will you 1016 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,960 pick? That and I didn't like how that 1017 00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,320 you're qualified out of the open and then like the 6th place 1018 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,320 person end up getting the. Winning. 1019 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:03,600 I didn't. I didn't like that either. 1020 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,040 There was one time where it was like the 12th place person like. 1021 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,520 I that was that was Rogue it was because. 1022 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,000 They're all already there. I can't remember a name, but 1023 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,240 yeah, like. I can't wait to watch out before 1024 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,680 to see who's going to qualify. It was. 1025 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,760 It was the 2nd heat that was fighting for. 1026 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,720 It was crazy. And I was like, oh hell, here's 1027 00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,480 the who's who's going to win the the whole Rogue Invitational. 1028 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:32,640 That doesn't really matter. So, all right, last a couple 1029 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:38,560 days ago, I talked to quite a few teen athletes who are now 1030 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:44,160 making it to the open division. And we've kind of talked about 1031 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,160 the teen teen competition over over time. 1032 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:52,280 And you know, on Savant's podcast, we talked with Jessica 1033 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,080 Kahoy, who's the coach for Ty Jenkins. 1034 00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,680 But I talked to Trista Smith, Hugo Johnson, Kaden Hogan and 1035 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:08,240 Myers, Jenna Michelotti kind of talking about like what are they 1036 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,960 doing to to kind of navigate and transition from the team 1037 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,240 competition to the open competition and kind of get a 1038 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,840 sense of where their goals were, what they're kind of working on. 1039 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:27,320 It was definitely a wide range of of where they wanted to go. 1040 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,840 I mean, like Jenna's like, hey, I'm going to Penn State, like 1041 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,960 I'm going to go have fun. I'm still going to do CrossFit. 1042 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,760 I want to compete in this sport in a long time, but I'm not 1043 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,240 going to worry about it this year. 1044 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,280 Like if it great, if it happens, great, but I don't know. 1045 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,720 She'll probably be the best one. And. 1046 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,480 Over a long term. Yeah, and Trista's looking, you 1047 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,320 know, looking forward to her final year as a senior at high 1048 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,400 school. But then you have like Ty 1049 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,080 Jenkins, who's like, no, I'm going to hammer my weaknesses 1050 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,040 and do what I can to get there, right? 1051 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,360 Like, what's the. I mean, it's going to be 1052 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:05,360 different for everybody, but if you were 17 years old, you got 1053 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,400 first or second or third or fifth whatever, right? 1054 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,480 And you're one of the top teen athletes. 1055 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,320 What do you do in the offseason as you get ready to go face 1056 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,920 Laura Horvath or Roman right the next year? 1057 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:25,960 I tell you what I do is exactly, I do exactly what Ty Jenkins is 1058 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,360 doing is I do some of these qualifiers, he's going to crash 1059 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,040 and he's competing with some big names. 1060 00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,640 I test myself in the pool with big name athletes. 1061 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,680 So put your name, you know, in that in that roster and see how 1062 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,760 you do. And if it's if you're coming up 1063 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,800 and you're like, man, I'm still like, I'm still getting whooped 1064 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,320 by some guys who aren't really Games caliber or close to games 1065 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,480 caliber, but maybe bottom of the leaderboard stuff like that, 1066 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,080 like slow your roll, you've got time. 1067 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,240 Dude, you're 18 years old. Look at Jack Farlow. 1068 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,200 He's slow rolling it, you know, he's still training, but he's 1069 00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:58,440 he's going to engineering school. 1070 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,160 He's doing life. You have time. 1071 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,800 That's that's how I would do it. Yeah, no, I agree. 1072 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,600 I think, like Dallin played football his senior year of high 1073 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:15,120 school. You know, I think, I think the 1074 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,760 way Dallin has done it is the best way to do it. 1075 01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,120 He doesn't do a ton of competitions. 1076 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:22,800 I think he does Water Palooza every year. 1077 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:27,600 But other than that, like I don't hear his name in a ton of 1078 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,800 competitions. No, I agree with Tyler. 1079 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,840 I think you can test yourself and then see where you're at. 1080 01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,280 OK. Still pretty far away. 1081 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,240 We're going to train until the open and then we'll, you know, 1082 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,160 and then we'll do that year and then see. 1083 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,880 And then you just, you know, you just see what you do in the open 1084 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,480 and then you do, you might have like 2 feeler, feeler 1085 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,760 competitions a year just to see where you're at. 1086 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,280 I think the way down has done it is perfect. 1087 01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,200 It's kind of hard to say that Emma has done it perfectly 1088 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,000 because she was so good and she's only 18. 1089 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,760 You know, I remember Once Upon a time when there was somebody 1090 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:09,080 really good who was 18, She's not there anymore. 1091 01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,600 She's you know what I mean? Maybe she comes back. 1092 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,160 We don't know. You know, we have no idea. 1093 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,640 She changed her hair color. She's got a new boyfriend. 1094 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:21,760 We'll see what happens, right? Like, so, like, it's hard for me 1095 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,320 to say. Emma Lawson is just, the part is 1096 01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,440 perfect because we don't know. We don't know. 1097 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,320 But like, it's like, I saw her Instagram the other day and it 1098 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,000 was like, I kind of just take this after the games. 1099 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,880 I take a couple months off and just do what I do or just go 1100 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:41,280 hiking a bunch with Jack. So yeah, I agree with Tyler. 1101 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,960 I think it's very easy for teenagers to get burnt out. 1102 01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:54,320 If you sell your soul to CrossFit, I almost, I don't 1103 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,000 know, I'd be. This would be a great question 1104 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,440 to ask Justin. We don't think of Justin as a 1105 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,880 kid because he wasn't great until he was 22, right? 1106 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,920 He was really young. Whenever we we when he came on 1107 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,440 the scene, he was really young. But he had been doing it since 1108 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:13,000 13 and then like his rookie year, now he's Justin Maderos, 1109 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,160 right? And then he won. 1110 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,560 Like that'd be a great question to ask him. 1111 01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,480 You should have him on the show. Brian, I don't know why you 1112 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,440 haven't had him on the show yet. We're about to talk about him, 1113 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:30,600 but like, no spoilers. You know, I don't. 1114 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,800 I feel like Justin's managed competing through teenager years 1115 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:42,600 really, really well. But it's such a touchy subject 1116 01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,600 and I'm not going to act like I know I know anything. 1117 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,520 I kind of leave that alone. And I just think, you know, 1118 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,080 we'll see who does it, who manages the best. 1119 01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,400 Everybody's different mentally. Everybody can handle different 1120 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,160 things, so it's hard, it's hard for me to comment on it. 1121 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,600 Well, I talked to Dallin when all the kind of teen stuff came 1122 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,960 up, when everybody was kind of not competing this year. 1123 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,840 I mean, he said he went through some dark times, too, right? 1124 01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,880 Like, it wasn't easy, especially on the men's side, right? 1125 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,440 Like, it's really hard. Nobody's gone from the teen 1126 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,800 competition to the games that next year. 1127 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,880 Like Guy was one of those guys that had potential. 1128 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:25,200 Dallin obviously Ty's probably the last most recent one that 1129 01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,840 has that shows potential. But like, you put some of his 1130 01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:33,560 strength numbers up and they don't compare, right? 1131 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:39,040 Like, So yeah, yeah, like and and his run wasn't good. 1132 01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:44,120 Like if you think about his five, his 5K run and and the 1133 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:48,440 Olympic total, he's near the bottom of that list on both, 1134 01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,600 right? And you know, strength is always 1135 01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,360 the biggest issue. The hardest for the men 1136 01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,480 especially, especially, and I I think Dallin has made that jump 1137 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,240 better than anybody has. Gee was strong before he got 1138 01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,080 there. Gee snatched 290 lbs when he was 1139 01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,920 17 years old, right. I think Dall as far as like I'm 1140 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,600 not strong enough, I'm going to get stronger. 1141 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,760 I think he made that jump better than everybody else As far on 1142 01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:18,400 the men's side, I think it's better to take these things 1143 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,400 slower than faster though, just in general, general opinion on 1144 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:23,520 it. I think you should take these 1145 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,800 things slower than faster. Always do the CrossFit season 1146 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:31,400 right, but there's no need to go do a million competitions. 1147 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,640 You hear that about use or? Well, they used to talk a lot 1148 01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,600 more. Now that, I mean like every 1149 01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,040 college team is just recruiting like crazy and all the stuff, 1150 01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,320 but you used to have a lot more people stay four years. 1151 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,000 He needs time. He needs time to like, grow. 1152 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,120 He needs time to. His body needs, mature needs, 1153 01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:49,640 but weight on. He needs to figure out the game 1154 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,280 a little bit more. There's stuff to learn in 1155 01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,840 college like that. It was growth period and it's 1156 01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,000 the same exact time that we're talking about 18 to 22. 1157 01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,480 It's like you need to let your body form, you need to let your 1158 01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,920 mind form. But we don't have a space to do 1159 01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,240 that. There's one place that everybody 1160 01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:07,080 goes and they want to go to the games and it's like if you if 1161 01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,560 you had good coach, a good coach that didn't want to push you in 1162 01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,400 that direction, I think they would put you into teams. 1163 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,400 And it's like this is sustainable. 1164 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,080 We can work on on your weaknesses, but you can still 1165 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,280 have fun and compete in an outlet and you do that for four 1166 01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,480 years and then come out. It's just hard to tell people 1167 01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:27,120 like, hey, let's just wait, you know what I mean? 1168 01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,280 What if we had waited for Justin a little bit longer, like he's 1169 01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,760 already won it twice. So he might be a bad example, 1170 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,440 but I think he did it right. Yeah, but like. 1171 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,320 Mao I. Mean like Mao? 1172 01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,000 Mao's a good one. Like, she comes out super hot 1173 01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,000 and it's like, maybe it would have been better for her to be 1174 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,240 on a team, learn to love the sport, learn to love the game a 1175 01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,800 little bit, and then go out and just and absolutely kill it. 1176 01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,200 It's a different mindset. Though I I it is Mal Mal Mike. 1177 01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,080 To me being on teams like I I hate. 1178 01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,560 I hate the team thing. I hate being on teams. 1179 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,760 Like it's not it's not for everybody. 1180 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,360 It's not. It's not for like like there's 1181 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,600 individual mindset. No, you know what I mean. 1182 01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:10,040 I agree and like so this this is a philosophy thing to me. 1183 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,840 Like with Danielle I think the greatest mistake any coach can 1184 01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,080 do with her, you don't put, you don't put a heart harness. 1185 01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,280 You don't put a harness on a thoroughbred. 1186 01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:23,720 You just let them run. She she's a Def Leppard kind of 1187 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,680 athlete. It's better to burn out and fade 1188 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,480 away. So fucking burn out as fast as 1189 01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,520 you can. Make your money now while the 1190 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,560 sun's shining learn that that she's that kind of athlete. 1191 01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,240 Whereas Travis Mayer he's a long burn man. 1192 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:40,000 He's slow, long, burn over the course of, but a great long 1193 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,840 career. He's not the same type of 1194 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,280 athlete as her, you know, this is something I was thinking 1195 01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:48,120 about with Travis this year, like maybe training leading up 1196 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,600 this year. Like there's some talk that this 1197 01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,080 is his last year. Maybe you burn it down like you 1198 01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,120 do ignorant shit that you wouldn't have done any other 1199 01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,200 year training because you absolutely want to give it all 1200 01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,920 your last time. But when you're a young athlete, 1201 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,840 if you aren't already thinking I'm going to be top ten, don't 1202 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,440 Just don't go. You have to, I mean, go with no 1203 01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,120 expectations. I just don't think you should 1204 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,360 put expectations on yourself. It's just so hard because you 1205 01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:13,440 get out there. But I agree. 1206 01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:17,840 Do you think like the pit throw down or whatever it was called 1207 01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:22,560 this past weekend had a the next like oh, they call it varsity or 1208 01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,680 whatever? For I think it was up to like 21 1209 01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:30,440 year old with rumors that age groups may split off at some 1210 01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,520 point or do something different. Does that seem like maybe the 1211 01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:39,120 best path is to give athletes that opportunity, right? 1212 01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:40,800 Because, like, it's got to be tough. 1213 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,800 You're 17, you've won, Like, Ty's won three years in a row, 1214 01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,320 he's competed 3 years, he's won three years in a row now. 1215 01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,360 He shows up to the Open. He probably does well. 1216 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,320 He does fine. He gets the quarter finals. 1217 01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,960 I think he makes the semi finals. 1218 01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,120 He can make it, he can make it. And he just gets takes 40th, 1219 01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,920 right? Like how many years in a row do 1220 01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,680 you want to do that before you're like? 1221 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,000 No, I don't think that's bad. Or. 1222 01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:07,560 Or should he have another opportunity? 1223 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:11,760 Like should there be a bigger platform a a games level stage 1224 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,600 for 18 to 20 year olds or something? 1225 01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,040 I don't think so. I think once you hit 18, you're 1226 01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,920 an adult, you're an adult. I think people, you're good 1227 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,040 enough to go do the competitions. 1228 01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,439 Go do the big competitions. I'm saying you. 1229 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,800 I'm saying you could. I'm saying you could, but like, 1230 01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,800 do we give them an opportunity to continue to compete against 1231 01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,800 the best of their? 18 to 20 anything once you're. 1232 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:33,200 18. You're in the open. 1233 01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,760 You're you're, you're, you're with everybody else. 1234 01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,800 There shouldn't be some, like small. 1235 01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,319 They're still young, like. Babe Ruth. 1236 01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,040 Babe Ruth. Yeah. 1237 01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:46,160 No, no. Like once you're out of the teen 1238 01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,800 division, you're you're, you're an. 1239 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:50,800 Adult that safety. Be with the adults, yeah. 1240 01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,439 I don't want that safety net, like you need to feel that 1241 01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:55,880 sting, that you're not good enough to be there. 1242 01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,720 Yet nobody would care if you. Wanted. 1243 01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,120 Yeah, right. None. 1244 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:02,439 OK. Like. 1245 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,200 I would like that, dude. You're talking about meaning 1246 01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:06,319 nothing. That would mean nothing. 1247 01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,840 OK. Like, you're always skeptical of 1248 01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:10,720 the person who wins the scale division. 1249 01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,200 It's like, did you just not go? You know what I mean? 1250 01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:19,760 I mean it's a little different, little different, but I don't 1251 01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:23,000 know I if you're going to have the age groups, I could see 1252 01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,800 having that there personally. Like, I still think you can go 1253 01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,560 do it, but. You have the team division. 1254 01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,640 I'm saying I'm fine with the team. 1255 01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,399 Like saying the pit team throw down is now that's the teenager 1256 01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:36,319 games, right? Just like the Masters splits off 1257 01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:39,479 the Legends is now going to be called the Legends CrossFit 1258 01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,960 Games, right? And that's the Masters games. 1259 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,319 I'm fine. I'm fine with that. 1260 01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,040 I just don't think there should be some weird in the middle 1261 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,200 competition, you know what I mean? 1262 01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:56,640 Oh, man, I'm 23. I can't do the college games 1263 01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:57,840 anymore. Like, I don't know. 1264 01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:01,160 I I just. The reason I say it is because, 1265 01:10:01,480 --> 01:10:05,760 like, obviously women. Mal Haley, Right, Olivia. 1266 01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:07,480 They make the jump much. Easier They've they've made it 1267 01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:09,320 very easy. But for the guys, you don't 1268 01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,280 right there. There isn't another sport where 1269 01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:17,480 you graduate from your, say, high school and there isn't 1270 01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:19,240 something there for you. Just get beat up. 1271 01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:23,040 Unless you're if you're a guy you always get beat up, right? 1272 01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,520 Is there is there Is there a two year developmental type? 1273 01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:31,920 Yeah, it's called divisions, Justin. 1274 01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,720 Made regional. When he was 19 and he started 1275 01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,760 running against Josh Bridges and figured out, oh, I can't run as 1276 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,320 fast as Josh Bridges. I need to run faster, right? 1277 01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,440 And then at 20, he still couldn't. 1278 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,160 And then AT21-O snap, I'm really good now. 1279 01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:51,120 Like it just semi. You develop in semi finals say 1280 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,280 tie make semi finals this year gets crushed right. 1281 01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:59,400 First off his cardio should be like I don't think if you win 1282 01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,680 the the teen Division I don't think they're going to be 40th 1283 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,880 place. I think you'll be like 20 to 30. 1284 01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,200 You're just not good. You're not as good as like the 1285 01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:12,200 Jake Berman's of the world but you're you're better than like 1286 01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,120 most people that make semi finals. 1287 01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,000 Would you agree with that Tyler like? 1288 01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,520 At baseline, Baseline, you're 20 to 30. 1289 01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,560 Now you know you could go up or down. 1290 01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:23,840 You should. Have a ton of weaknesses other 1291 01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:28,440 than just being weak right and then next. 1292 01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:31,560 Year at Semi? Finals next year at semi finals, 1293 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,320 your goal is top 20 and then the year after that your goal is to 1294 01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,840 make it like that's how you develop, just like everybody 1295 01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,200 else. Justin is a great example of 1296 01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,120 this, right? He developed just like that. 1297 01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,240 And I think a lot of people develop like that. 1298 01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:51,800 They're just not big names that we know about, right? 1299 01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,880 No one did develop like that, right? 1300 01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,800 Jeff developed like that. You know, Jeff. 1301 01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,240 Jeff like, like that's how they all develop. 1302 01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,360 They just don't get good until they're 27. 1303 01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,360 And I think that's OK, that guys take longer. 1304 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,400 We just know that guys take longer. 1305 01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,720 I don't think we should cater to guys because they can't make the 1306 01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,560 jump the way the women can. I just think we should know. 1307 01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,560 Takes guys a little bit longer, right? 1308 01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:18,680 That's how I think we should go about it. 1309 01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,720 I don't think we should make some weird competition so they 1310 01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,760 have a place to compete. No, you're not good enough. 1311 01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,040 You have the games. You probably can qualify for the 1312 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,040 Madrid CrossFit Championship. You go do that. 1313 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,560 That'd be fun. Go to Spain, right? 1314 01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,200 I I think Ty can qualify for that, right? 1315 01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:39,840 That's, that's what I'm saying. I like what happens, like to 1316 01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:41,280 play along with what John's saying. 1317 01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,040 I like what happens if you take away the team competitions in 1318 01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:48,960 total and just let them push out to the other other events. 1319 01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,520 It's like now they have to want to go to Madrid, they have to 1320 01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,400 want to go anywhere that'll let them and to me, like I'm going 1321 01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,920 to get on my team soapbox again. Could you imagine how many teams 1322 01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,440 would want to do team if they were allowed to do that, but 1323 01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:03,840 nothing else. Like every there would be so 1324 01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,680 many more competitive teams in the in the division. 1325 01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:08,560 People would care more, I think. I think. 1326 01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,840 Tyler cares more about teams than anybody on. 1327 01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,040 This it's it's funny because it's like I didn't watch a team 1328 01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:19,720 event this year. I see what it can be, but you 1329 01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,600 know, it's nothing right now. I just, there's a million ways 1330 01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,800 to fix it and I just constantly am thinking of them. 1331 01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,600 But anyway, I think that it would. 1332 01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,080 Be Tyler. Me. 1333 01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:31,480 No. Why? 1334 01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:38,400 Not and I I, I mean, I I could do it rethinking how their 1335 01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,880 qualifying process goes, because last time it was like we did RX 1336 01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,840 and then we got murdered because everybody in our league was like 1337 01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,760 sandbaggers that didn't want to do the next division. 1338 01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:50,520 Because, right, that's what I'm saying. 1339 01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,960 I probably would do it if the right people came along. 1340 01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:58,720 No, I won't. I if I had a team that would 1341 01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:00,680 that I would do it with, but I'm not going to do it because I'm 1342 01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:05,880 going to be working in that Rogue or I mean, yeah. 1343 01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,200 OK. Yeah. 1344 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,000 Yes. You will be working at Water 1345 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,040 Palooza, yeah? I totally forgot I. 1346 01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:16,000 Didn't even know that. All right, does. 1347 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:19,320 This mean I can't do water because I I was going to do 1348 01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:23,240 water. Palooza to do double time. 1349 01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:26,520 That sucks about being a personality, doesn't it, John? 1350 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,760 Oh, I didn't even think. That's fine. 1351 01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,000 It's fine. I could do both. 1352 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,640 It'll be all right. What everybody's been waiting 1353 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:39,080 for puppy time. All right, so guys, Justin 1354 01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,960 Maderos is not going to win the 2024 CrossFit Games. 1355 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,440 That's just this is what this means. 1356 01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,280 Sorry. So we've been talking. 1357 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,840 Looks like Justin and Ellie have a puppy. 1358 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,480 Their first child. Yeah first fur baby. 1359 01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:01,560 We've talked about you know he's going vlogging he's going 1360 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,120 traveling like what should he be doing after he doesn't finish in 1361 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:12,800 the top 10 Is this the right move to win the games or or we 1362 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,320 talk about Madrid it doesn't doesn't matter to the top to 1363 01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:19,800 your rankings does this matter to your rankings drawn I'm. 1364 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,520 Intangible. Here, Tyler, you go first. 1365 01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:31,480 I'll be right back. Somebody, I told somebody I was 1366 01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:34,880 buying a cat one time and they said that's very domestic of 1367 01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:39,520 you. And to me, when you're doing 1368 01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:44,480 what you're doing right now, you got to be kind of a cowboy. 1369 01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,360 Like, you have to burn everything else. 1370 01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,160 It doesn't matter, You know what I mean? 1371 01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:50,440 Like, Matt put off a bunch of stuff in his life. 1372 01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:52,240 Everybody puts off a bunch of stuff in his life because they 1373 01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,040 wanted to focus on the one thing that mattered, which was the 1374 01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,520 games to them. I see a puppy in your hands, and 1375 01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,720 I think that's pretty domestic. It's pretty tame of you bro. 1376 01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:06,800 John I I don't. I don't think it's a good thing, 1377 01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:14,880 but I don't know I I am very. It makes me more confident that 1378 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,560 I don't think he's going to win the games. 1379 01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,960 I does not influence my rankings of him at all. 1380 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:25,800 I still think he's going to be, you know, 5th through 7th. 1381 01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:32,240 It just, I don't know something, something about having a puppy 1382 01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:36,320 in your hands just just makes like your killer instinct not 1383 01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:37,040 be. There as much. 1384 01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,080 It John's not going to win the games now because of that 80 LB 1385 01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,920 mess he's got in his hands. I'm not going to win CrossFit 1386 01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,840 Games, and that's OK You know what? 1387 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:53,080 It's OK. But I don't know vlogging, 1388 01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:59,240 getting a puppy dog. It's just it's a lot. 1389 01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,560 It doesn't equal pounds, but it does in some weird way. 1390 01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:08,000 It's a, it's a. It's a lot of not working out. 1391 01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:12,640 But you know, maybe, maybe, you know, it'd be great if he won 1392 01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,480 the games and his dog ran out on the stands with them and then he 1393 01:17:15,480 --> 01:17:18,080 just flipped off everybody. Like this is to everybody that 1394 01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:19,520 said I wasn't going to win the games again. 1395 01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:26,600 I I mean, that'd be awesome. But yeah, it's, it's, I don't 1396 01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,120 know, Roman. Roman can't handle somebody 1397 01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:32,640 trash talking to him. Justin's got a dog, Adler's AD 1398 01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:38,400 bag and Belliner's too old. You know, if Ricky could get his 1399 01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,160 stuff together and get off the freaking mountain Pike and just 1400 01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,440 win the CrossFit Games, it'd be great, OK? 1401 01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:46,680 All of our top people has something going on with them 1402 01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:50,160 that they just ha. Is there anybody else? 1403 01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,920 Hopper can't decide if he wants to be good or not good. 1404 01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:55,240 Who? Who else is? 1405 01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,280 Who else is there? I swear, you know, I say 1406 01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:02,040 Chandler Smith. Gosh, I'm just really conflicted 1407 01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,080 about everybody. I do. 1408 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,360 I have a Bassett Bassett Hound and an English Bulldog. 1409 01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,960 So man, you don't see Bassett hounds anymore. 1410 01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:14,720 I miss Bassett hounds. Dude, she's she's wild. 1411 01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:22,440 Saw her at a church and had puppies and next you know we 1412 01:18:22,440 --> 01:18:27,960 have a puppy, so. Do you think it does opposite 1413 01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,160 for Ellie? I think it helps her. 1414 01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,720 So Ellie, Ellie improves and Justin goes down. 1415 01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,760 Yes, I said. I can mark it down. 1416 01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,680 This is another one. I'm saying Ellie goes down. 1417 01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,240 Ellie's top 10 now because of a puppy. 1418 01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:46,960 Ellie's top 10 because of puppies. 1419 01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:51,320 She got puppy power. I mean, are we reading too much 1420 01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,960 into it? Or like is it a distraction? 1421 01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,000 Listen, I think we are reading way too much into it. 1422 01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:00,960 In saying that, it is a distraction and we are and we're 1423 01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:02,680 not reading too much. Yes and no. 1424 01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,680 I I don't know. Like none of it. 1425 01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,120 None of it makes me think you're going to win the cross. 1426 01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:14,680 But but you know, none of it should mean anything, right? 1427 01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:18,480 It shouldn't mean anything but. I was building a tin. 1428 01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:20,720 I was building a tinfoil hat earlier. 1429 01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,680 For fun. Everything means everything. 1430 01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:24,600 Everything means something, Yeah. 1431 01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:26,880 Yeah. Well, I mean, I think, I think 1432 01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:32,840 you can take kind of parallel this with all the sponsorships 1433 01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,440 and all of the different requirements that are made of 1434 01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:41,640 these athletes now. Like 7 years ago, like that 1435 01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:45,280 wasn't a thing like unless you're a Rich or Catherine like 1436 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,400 you didn't have a big sponsorship, it'd be great. 1437 01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:52,000 If Purina sponsored Justin, that'd be a phenomenal. 1438 01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:56,320 And he just had a Purina dog food in every post that he made. 1439 01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:01,400 Yeah, but don't you think that like, I mean you got Dallin 1440 01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:07,800 running around in American Eagle with Sprague, like they talk to 1441 01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:11,600 talk about themselves as being a brand, like they focus on they 1442 01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,280 have so many more things pulling them in different directions. 1443 01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,120 Right. Like, I guess it's kind of a 1444 01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,360 necessary evil, but it's so different. 1445 01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:26,080 I mean, it wouldn't be if if they made the money during 1446 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,720 competition, but it is. I mean it is that way we have to 1447 01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:31,160 figure out how to pay for it another way. 1448 01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:34,720 So it is the nature of the beast until the season changes in such 1449 01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:39,240 a manner that they can actually make money for anybody lower 1450 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:43,480 than 40th. Yeah, but isn't it a little bit 1451 01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:47,440 different though with like other sports? 1452 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,360 They're not. You don't see any big name 1453 01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:54,840 basketball players posting stuff on Instagram and stuff like it's 1454 01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:58,280 on like their likeness is being. Used millions of dollars though. 1455 01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:01,080 Yeah, but they're they're being paid by that, by those brands, 1456 01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,640 right? But but Nike, but Nike's using 1457 01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,600 them. Nike's using them for stuff. 1458 01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,440 Like, they go and they do a commercial and then they're 1459 01:21:09,440 --> 01:21:11,760 done, like, or they take a picture, they do a photo shoot, 1460 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,080 and then Nike's posting stuff on there, right? 1461 01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:20,080 They're not required to post stuff on Instagram and interact 1462 01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,720 with their fans and do those things like, it's a different 1463 01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,720 requirement, right? Yeah. 1464 01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,920 Yeah. So I don't know. 1465 01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:34,040 I I think those who do the best right now are the ones who could 1466 01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,680 best manage it. And it's a different environment 1467 01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:41,480 than we've ever seen, right? Like Laura Horvath, We've not 1468 01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:45,160 even seen her since the Games. And that's good. 1469 01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,560 That gives me more confidence in Laura, right? 1470 01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:54,040 I'm confident that Laura does is not being split apart 15 ways. 1471 01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,720 She doesn't have a new puppy dog or new boyfriend. 1472 01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,480 You know what she's doing. She's in the squat rack and 1473 01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:02,840 she's running. She's not simple sample. 1474 01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:04,040 Ships. Because I know. 1475 01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:05,640 No, she's not. She's not doing those. 1476 01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:07,600 But she's throwing them off. That's it. 1477 01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:11,040 I owe you love. Don't eat them, she she's doing 1478 01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:15,440 what won her the CrossFit Games. That's what she's doing because 1479 01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,560 she's not. Because we haven't heard from 1480 01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:19,680 her. And it gives me more confidence 1481 01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:25,080 than ever that she's going to dominate Rogue unless there's 1482 01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:26,600 strict deficit handstand push ups. 1483 01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:30,720 But yeah. Yeah, I guess. 1484 01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,520 Would you rather have a Laura Horvath, a bunch of Laura 1485 01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:39,040 Horvath in the sport, or would you rather have Justin and 1486 01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,520 Ellie? A bunch of them? 1487 01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,080 What? Kind of a question is this. 1488 01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:45,600 Well, like, like you never see Laura, right? 1489 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:47,880 If we had a whole bunch of podium finishers that we never 1490 01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,120 saw. Yeah, I don't want soap opera on 1491 01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,920 my phone 24/7. I don't what? 1492 01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:53,840 You don't. You don't. 1493 01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,080 Want the TVI? Want the Roman Adler, John? 1494 01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:58,760 That band, what did we talk about? 1495 01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:00,240 We. Yeah, I was scary. 1496 01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,400 I said just go down the list. All's we talked about was the 1497 01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:03,920 drama. We don't get to talk about 1498 01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:05,840 anything. If Laura was every athlete. 1499 01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:07,240 Well, he didn't say that, he said. 1500 01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:12,360 Would you rather, hey, knock it off or hold on, I got to be 1501 01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,720 cute. Like, excuse me, there we go. 1502 01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:29,920 I I like. I've you're saying Justin and or 1503 01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,680 if you're saying Roman and Adler, I would. 1504 01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:36,040 I want more of that all day. Bring on the drama, right? 1505 01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:39,240 If it's Jersey Shore, we're fighting, but not really 1506 01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,120 fighting drama. I'm fine with that. 1507 01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:44,640 I don't care for Puppy and me. I don't. 1508 01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,400 I don't care. You know what I'm saying? 1509 01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:51,160 It helps sell, helps sell, go on. 1510 01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:57,240 In here I would rather have Laura than look at look at a day 1511 01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:03,360 in the life of just. Travelling to Australia and. 1512 01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:03,760 Drinking. Yeah. 1513 01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:05,840 Yeah, I could care less about that. 1514 01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:07,320 The Craig Ritchie. You know what I mean? 1515 01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:12,080 Like, like, like, I I don't care about Craig Ritchie's life. 1516 01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,120 Now, if he wants to make a montage of him lifting weights 1517 01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:20,120 and saying the journey from crossfitter to weightlifter and 1518 01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:23,800 it's just him, you know, weightlifting all day, I'll 1519 01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:25,040 watch that. Right? 1520 01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:27,960 But I don't care about the vlogs. 1521 01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:31,400 I don't care about your puppy. It's cute. 1522 01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:34,320 It's it's not. I'm not not saying it's not 1523 01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:35,360 cute. It is cute. 1524 01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:41,000 But I don't care. Fair enough, Fair enough. 1525 01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:48,920 Well guys, before we head out, head over to vindicate.com. 1526 01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,880 Get your get your shirts, Get your The Barbell Spin shirt. 1527 01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,240 Got Hiller? Got Sivan this. 1528 01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:58,200 They don't have any Colton shirts left, do they now? 1529 01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,480 But. I think it's a preorder deal. 1530 01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,480 Before we before. We end We don't talk about 1531 01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:08,640 Colton Merton's puppies because he's got a whole bunch of Wiener 1532 01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:09,920 dogs. He breeds them. 1533 01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,040 Miniature Wiener dogs. Yeah, he's selling them suckers, 1534 01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,920 though he's not. He's selling his version, but 1535 01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:17,880 he's selling the Colton version of a dog. 1536 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,160 Those things are talking about him. 1537 01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,080 They're cattle, but they're they're cuter. 1538 01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,240 He ain't cuddling those, those cattle. 1539 01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,040 He's not killing them either. Oh, I never say. 1540 01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:29,320 You don't have to kill your cattle. 1541 01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:32,080 You can milk them. That's his job, though. 1542 01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:34,760 Milking puppies. That's what he does. 1543 01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,160 Flipping pigs and milking puppies. 1544 01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:40,880 That's right. That's right. 1545 01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,760 All right, guys. Until next time. 1546 01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:46,520 Bye, bye. Bye. 1547 01:25:47,480 --> 01:25:55,720 Guys. Maybe maybe.