Oh, good evening, everybody. How are you, John?
Tyler, I'm good. How are you guys?
Doing well, doing well. Got got a little new, a new set
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You see there some Roman and Adler Rogue Invitational, some
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the swing of things. All right, guys.
Roman versus Adler, it's been talked about the last few days.
Sivan had Roman on. I assume you guys watch that.
Yeah, that was the latest I stayed up for one in a long
time. I'm actually very fluent in
Russian, so there's a couple things that the translator left
out, like big things. You and you and Hillary.
Such as eyebrows? I can't get into it.
I can't get into it but just. I thought it was interesting.
I mean, I don't know. I guess I'll start with this
question first to John. Do you think Roman's reason for
going public on Instagram made sense?
I think for him it did. I think, I think it pissed him
off that Adler was he thinks he won because he got in Roman's
head. And for Roman, I think Roman
thinks Adler won because Roman got hurt, which is probably the
case. But if I like in like Adler, if
in interviews, if Jeff is bragging that I got in his head
and This is why I won and all this stuff, I can totally 100%
see how that would piss off Roman.
And that's why he came and made this statement at this time.
And that's that's how I'm making sense of it, I think the way I
think. I don't think he meant for that
post to get as big as it. Did.
I I I think he posted that like just saying like get over
yourself to like to Jeff, right. Like it.
But like that's it. And then it got blown up into
this big thing that and now he seems like a a pussy, for the
lack of a better word because he's all mad that Jeff Trash
talked him, right. And I don't think, you know, I I
don't think he wanted that at all.
And it's not. I think it's not a big deal to
him and it got made into a big deal and like I could I could
100% just see where Roman was coming from in the future.
If Jeff is like that, like truly like that and you know we don't
know what what it is on the field.
But if he's non-stop talking, just talking to him like I mean
the second Roman beats him like it's over right now, Jeff, Jeff
looks like the douche bag in high school that that peaked,
does he not if Roman wins, right.
And so if you're Roman, I think that's your outlook.
If you know that Jeff is not in your head, which I mean it kind
of seems like Jeff is in your head a little bit, but but but
if if but not your fitness, you know what I mean?
I agree with him when he says that just be fitter.
You can't tell the fittest man in the world, hey, just go be
fitter because he did win. You did break your foot, you
know what I mean? There's an asterisk.
There's not an asterisk, no
being. There is.
Able to get through a competition without hurting
yourself is a part of is a part of the games, right?
The reason why we're so down on Danny Spiegel is because she
can't make it through 15 events without something traumatic
happening. Same thing with Danielle
Brandon. There's always going to be some
mental thing that happens, at least from the past has shown us
in in one of the events. It's a part of it, it's a part
of it. So Jeff, there is no asterisk
for Jeff. I do not believe in that.
I do believe Roman would have won had he not got hurt.
And if you're Roman, you just go out, you just go beat him.
And then Jeff looks like a, you know, the bully in high school.
But I mean if Jeff keeps winning, you can't really be in
the right Roman. Jeff's winning.
Like, you know, you know what I mean?
Like Jeff is winning and Fraser did that stuff all the time, all
the time. And and Ricky, like, he did that
stuff to Ricky and Ricky was just like, all right, man, let's
go. Right.
I mean he never, you know, he got popper steroids that never
happened. But you know what I mean?
So like, like like if you're, I get the situation Roman was in.
I'm not negative the way everybody else is about it.
I think you just got to go out there and just, you know, do you
and just let everything blow over now which I which is what
he wants, right? Do you agree, Tyler?
Absolutely not. I disagree almost wholeheartedly
with this. I want to say for the record, I
was my second. My correction before the podcast
was right. I said that something like Roman
is basically saying you're a little bitch ass Trash talk
didn't work. You didn't beat me because you
were fitter than me. You beat me because I broke my
foot. Wait, stop running your mouth.
Pause. Pause.
Do you think that's untrue? What?
That Jeff beat him because he broke his foot.
Yes, yes, 100 percent, 100%. He would have won the games had
he not broke his foot. Right. 100%.
Like, caveat, whatever you're going to say with that fact.
Yes, and and to me, I say Asterisk because it was a freak
accident. Those sandbags I don't like like
I like the workout. It sucks because I really like
the workout, but like that was a known.
They could have foreseen that accident happening and thought
of a way around it. But besides that, I thought the
problem was that there was two things happening.
One, Roman just wanted Jeffrey to shut up.
Talk shit. I've always been a fan.
Talk shit all you want on the field of play.
I don't even mind if you throw elbows on the field of play.
I really don't. And for the record, I don't
either. I'm on your side with that.
OK. When 100%, that's a part of
sports. Do what?
Do What Michael Jordan does is talk mad shit on the court and
then leave it on the court. Don't bring that shit off the
court. And Jeffrey made the mistake in
that he ran his mouth on podcast.
So now I don't have a problem with Roman doing what he did
because he's saying you you beat me, kinda.
And your little tactic didn't do a damn thing.
So now you've run your mouth to the point.
I have no, no, no, no. OK, maybe I I totally agree.
Sorry. The part, the part that I think
everybody misses and that I think Savon wanted to to make a
a Jeffrey versus Roman thing so much that he missed the point
where Roman was saying OK, there's that part that Adler was
talking shit and all this other stuff happened.
I don't care about that. What I want to say is this
shouldn't be a sport where we really contact each other, and I
don't disagree with him, but I also don't care if you do it,
But there should be rules on that sort of thing.
And I think Roman was trying to be someone up front, the sport
saying, hey, we should take care of this out ahead of everything
and that kind of got lost in the shuffle, I think.
So I'm sorry, John, I just came across argumentative.
No, you're good. And I and that's a great point
in that. I felt like he was trying to say
like, I don't care that it happened, it's whatever.
I don't think it should happen in the future and This is why
I'm trying to bring it to life because there's you know, there
should be a penalty if if if Cole Sager can't physically run
around Lucas Hogberg without swim, moving and elbowing him,
then Cole Sager should get docked 5 seconds or you know
like like just some kind of like right, like something.
I I get that and it's like that's what he's trying to do.
And I I I like what you're saying.
I do think that got lost in the translation and negativity I
guess in the comments is like he's trying to bring it to life
for the future, not. Did you play football growing
up? What do you?
Think yes. You played football growing up,
Brian you you'll understand though, is that we all?
They elbow each other all the. Time it was, it was vicious the
1st 100 meters. It's only cheating when you get
caught. It's only holding if you get
caught. I was like one of the smallest
dudes on the line, both sides, and I was cheating 100% all the
time. Whenever refs weren't looking,
it was at what I had to do. And I think they should make
rules so that you can't throw elbows.
But if you don't get caught, I don't care.
And that's that's that's sportsmanship to me.
Gamesmanship. Sportsmanship is not running
your mouth about it whenever you're off the field.
Yeah. And I think, I think that's what
he was also saying. You know, like it.
It comes across soft, especially because it's two a month after
the fact, two-month month and 1/2 after the fact.
But everything he's saying, that's everything he's saying is
true. I completely get what he's
saying. It's not soft in context after.
Context at all, at all. It's just the context is hard
because it's coming through a translator and that's what makes
it hard, right? His post is like, you know,
don't be dirty, just be fitter. Like it's just the way it got
there is not great. But like with what you said,
Tyler, like with context, I completely like I'm with
whatever he's saying. Spin How did How did you feel?
Sorry, I don't. I feel like we miss your points
all the time because. No, no, no.
What happened? I I understand, I think, why
Roman did it, and it was that he wants.
If there's going to be a rule in the rule book about
sportsmanship, then they need to understand what that is.
And kind of my biggest take away from the whole thing was he
brought it up to CrossFit and they were like, huh, I don't.
Know thruster. You know what that is?
I don't know. I don't know what to do about
this. Right, like.
Yeah, by the way, with CrossFit goes, we've never had anything
like this That's so BSI. Like I freaking call Sager Elbow
somebody every single run or swim there is.
Or hey, you should ask Chandler Smith you love.
Chandler left Harris Theonitis. I don't know if y'all remember
him. He was this Greek God of a guy
that was floated up to the gills but.
Made to the game since. 2019 like he was just wrestling move
people on the run on the very first workout and then proceeded
to blow up. But there's an interview
somewhere Smitch try to find it a Chandler talking about left
Aristianitis and like let's just see how that worked out for him.
But like then that was it. It was over after that.
Never got talked about again. And yeah, like it.
They've had this happen. That's so stupid that CrossFit
says we've never had this before.
That almost pisses me off more than that.
This is a month and a half ago. Well, yes, I mean it's but I
don't think it's ever happened in that way like we've seen it
happen. But do you think anybody's gone
to CrossFit and said, hey, you need to enforce this in the part
of the rule book? I don't think so.
And it's it, it's like they did. What was it?
I can't remember if they had a a movement or something like that
this year. And it was like, well, what
happens if we do? And they're like, well, just
don't like, it's an honor system.
Like we, we just don't want you to do that.
I can't remember what it was. It it's the the hammer thing
the. The the pole, Yeah.
The sledge. Yeah, the sledge thing.
The Noah Pole. Yeah.
Like they've they've had that before where they just they
implement something and they don't know what to do if it
actually ends up happening, right.
And so like if nothing else out of this, I hope CrossFit
evaluates like if we put something down and it we'll
probably talk about it. Wrote like if you put something
down you have to enforce it. And you know it was like also
like Rich Froning with the thumb around the the barbell for his
bench press like it said you had to do it but we're not going to
we're we said it but you don't have to really think about it.
So like they need to be more consistent from that standpoint,
which I think. They just didn't.
They just didn't enforce that because it was Rich froning
CrossFit. Jesus, If it had been anybody
else, they it would have been a major penalty and that person
would have been out of the competition.
I've watched them say Emma Tall was not allowed to go to the
games because somebody touched a weight on her barbell and it
affected her in nothing. And Rich Froning just blatantly
doesn't do the rules. It's OK.
I mean, it's not that you know that.
That's why I don't. I get annoyed with Froning
people on the comments that like, say I hate on Mayhem so
much. It's things like that.
They happen all the time. Stepping on the line.
Stepping on the line, it's OK. We won't give you a penalty.
You're rich broning. I mean, if he got penalized the
way they do everybody else, he might have not won as many times
as he's won. So I mean, I know that's that's
going a little far, but I'm just saying, you know, Matt Fraser
gets a whole minute because a back fell out of his backpack.
He can't help that. It's just, it's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous. I'm sorry that that's.
I didn't. Mean that going right there?
If nothing else, I think this comment here, RBTDC is smiling
behind the scenes about all this drama.
If nothing else. It gets everybody talking about
it. It gets we're going to be
looking forward to Roman and Adler stepping on the same floor
at some point, even if it's all just washed over.
And it's not a big deal. Like, we all want to see that.
I don't know. I mean, like, it brings
intrigue, it brings drama, it brings more than just like we're
all super happy friends together, like you're there to
win, like let's show it and you know, don't be happy with others
if they if you feel like you've been wronged so.
The one, the one important thing I wanted to say about this
before we move on was that I do think Roman was trying to do an
important thing. I don't think it's, I don't
think it's right that we set set a precedent that it's OK to do
this sort of thing. I always think it should be sort
of frowned upon that you do this sort of thing in a competition.
That doesn't mean I don't think you should do it, it just me.
I just think it should be frowned upon.
It shouldn't be encouraged. And I do think that he it seemed
a little weird. I don't know that I don't know
the right or the word that I'm looking for but it seemed a
little strange that he was like thinking so much about like
setting a good example. But he is right.
Like, I don't want, I don't want the teens to be like, OK, let's
just like hurt each other. You know what I mean?
That's this is OK. And I I agree that Adler setting
a bad example, especially talking about it later.
Yeah, Adler probably shouldn't have been talking about it in
the way that he did, and for him to to speak in Russian means
that it was kind of pre thought out.
Is that confirmed? I thought that was just a a
thing that Hillary was just grasping.
No, I thought that. I thought that's what they said.
No, that was what That was what Roman said.
He had learned a phrase in Russian.
It was very basic. It was like go or something like
that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It wasn't like full sentences, but.
Which I appreciate that he went that deep to be able to do that,
but again, Roman would have never talked about it had Jeff
not run his mouth so. Yeah.
All right. Next one or you you got John.
Last word I. Don't know man, just.
I. Don't know?
No, just go on. Just go to the next.
Day Rogue Invitational. So we are waiting for the the
online qualifier, the video review process to finish up.
It's been, I guess what, what a week now since it Yeah, a little
over a week and a half now since it's closed up and what they've
done this year is they've frozen the leaderboard and.
When it'll heat back up. We when it's when it's
finalized. So do we know when?
So yesterday an e-mail was sent out to all of the athletes
saying that two things. First they admitted fault that
work out for with the wall facing handstand push ups.
The discrepancy between the description and the picture
showed where the tape line was. It was different.
And so basically they said it's on us, we'll accept either.
So that's that's that's one thing to talk about.
And then second is we'll be emailing all the athletes, you
know, the the penalties that they've received or the, you
know their their video submissions are good.
It said today. And it'll update the leaderboard
when all of that is completed. That was yesterday.
So we're still waiting. The first part is the tape line
and the discrepancy, right. Hiller covered it with Danny
Spiegel of It was 10 inches to the inside, The description
said. 10 inches to the outside, a 2 inch difference.
How? How big of a difference does
that make, John? I think that's different for
everybody. Everybody's arms are different.
I think it helps. I mean that's hard to say.
Like I know my my wife on that line that like the inside of the
like the harbor of those two things like that's where she
normally goes and it's. Means nothing to her.
For me, like it is easier the further out I am.
But again, I don't know how big of a difference. 2 inches man.
Not a lot. It's like it does make a
difference. That's.
What? She said.
But, like, not a lot. Oh, I didn't.
I didn't even catch myself doing that.
The Yeah. So like, I mean you might get, I
don't know, five more reps than you would have.
Not gotten before. That was for the snatch, The
snatch and the handstand. Push up one, right?
Yes, so the last one. Maybe you would have three more
handstand push ups to failure than you would have before.
Would like the other way around. Does that, does that make sense?
I don't think it makes a huge difference, but it does.
If you were like on the brink of failure, it probably did make a
difference on that rap. Do you?
Do you agree, Tyler? And do you like how Rogue is
handling it? I am reminded of Phil Knight in
his book talks about his coach. This is Nike, the guy who owns
Nike. His coach trying to take an
ounce off of a shoe. An ounce over a mile equals a
what is it, 55 lbs? I I I feel like that this is a
similar situation where it might not seem like a lot in the
short, but I think over the course of those reps it makes a
big difference, especially when you're starting to push the
heavier weight. To me that difference is a game
changer like but I have really short arms so it make like it
just makes the short range of motion even shorter and you know
like Danny Spiegel has a short range of motion with her arms
already and so I just don't like it.
Like, we can argue about the nuance of it.
I think they did the right thing by just saying, sorry, we're
going to have to let you go with this one.
They they screwed up, so they got to take it on the chin.
But I think it does make a difference.
All right, let me let me caveat then.
I think. I think if you're good at
handstand push ups, it doesn't make that much of A of a
difference. If you're bad and it's a
weakness, then it does make a difference.
Does that would you agree with that Tyler?
Like like also like for me in this workout, I think I could go
unbroken. 2 inches down or two inches up wouldn't matter.
I think I go unbroken, doesn't matter.
But you take somebody who's not as good at handstand push ups,
then I think it does make a huge difference.
Like, I think you think you're broken the whole time, 2 inches
down to inches. I'm good at handstand push ups.
I think it's the speed of Rep would change towards the end of
the workout. I think you would be able to go
faster, longer just 'cause you don't have this far to go.
And so, I mean, I don't think it's much of a difference, but I
think it would make a difference if you're snatching, what was
it, 245 two? 65 Though, like the snatch,
weight's not heavy at all. I think it got fairly it got
decently heavy, wasn't it like? I was just waiting for Tyler to
make a face. I was just trying.
That was just. I know.
I I'm just joking. No I I.
I try not to come back when it comes to weight.
I know I'm weak, so I just don't understand like if you say so I
I agree with. You, I and I guess if you're
talking about like seconds on a leaderboard it would make a huge
difference. Then I'm thinking this in terms
of doing the workout. But like if you're if you are
two inches down and everybody else is 2 inches up, you know
what I mean? Like in that, say that gives you
10 seconds. That's a lot like like on a
leaderboard. That makes a huge difference,
right? But it's not only that.
So two inches out I think would be even more down because you're
working with a triangle. I'm going to get real math heavy
here, but you know what I'm saying?
Like a 2 inch difference out makes a bigger difference down
and so and and and you're right. Like how do I think always?
I think Z score and I'm starting to think seconds, like seconds,
matter to me more than they matter to other people.
No, I mean on a leaderboard, every second, every second.
Yeah, right. Especially a blind leaderboard
like this. Yeah, I mean you you see like
Danny Spiegel obviously and and Jessica and Drozik, she's the
the Coltons on the women's side, if you remember the semi finals
50. She can do 50 strict, unbroken
Jessica Androsnick. Yeah.
And so she's, I mean, she's a short one too, but I mean as you
get down here in the middle of of it, right.
So like Kyra's in here, Elena, they're both in qualifying spots
and they're down in 19th and 20th.
So, you know, again, 10 seconds gives you a few points, good or
bad. I'm really curious to know how
many did it 10 inches from the inside and how many did it 10
inches from the outside? I'm I'm willing to bet they all
did it correctly. Except Danny Spiegel.
Come on. Come on.
No, you know why? You know why?
Like I think the majority of them did it correctly because in
the open it specifically said. It's the same.
The harder way, right. Like it's 10 inches from the
from the outside and the open. It was like that in quarter
finals. It's like that that sets a
standard as that's what it's supposed to be.
You know that that's what it's supposed to be.
Don't say you saw in this way it's 10 inches from the inside.
So that's what I did. You know what the standard is
supposed to be. A lot of people got a hard
penalty because of it. Right?
Like I You can't. I'm.
You can't. Tell me for a second, Danny
Spiegel didn't know that's what it was supposed to be.
And since you found that little loophole, she was like, I'm
going to do it the easy way. I'm willing to wet bet the
majority of it. People did it the right way.
I'm not saying everybody, but I'm willing to bet the majority
did it the right way. Is this like, you know what a
thruster is? Come on, bro.
Like we know now. We now know that 10 inches is
the standard. I mean, I whatever is set for
the Open or quarterfinals. Yeah.
That is the standard that everybody should use from then
on out. The 2nd that 10 inch line got
introduced. You should never do a handstand
push up in the box ever again. It should always be on the 10
inch line. That's the standard set before
you and if a new standard comes about then that's how you're
going to do it. And if the people are still
doing it from the box and not the 10 inch line when the open
comes around, you're going to be screwed because the 10 inch line
is different. It's you know what I mean?
And and and like all of these athletes, you know, they're the
fittest people in the world. They know that.
You know what I mean? They it's like they know they
are flirting the line or cheating the rules a little bit.
It's not like, oh, this is just how I always done it.
They know how to follow standards.
Alyssa I wish that was the case. We need standards that don't
ever change or that they're set at the beginning of the season,
like the Open. And that's kind of what doesn't
change the rest of the way. Tyler, are you doing some math
over there or writing a book? Yeah, I was.
I was trying to figure out what the difference in height would
be. So a 2 inch difference is going
to be half half an inch in in distance down, which over the
course of a 24 reps is a whole. 12 foot.
It was 55 reps, right in this, yeah, an inch each direction.
Yeah. So, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. So in 12 reps you've you've
missed a whole foot and I'm assuming that it's two feet.
I I think, I think it's making the difference of probably 4
reps at the end. So you're finishing four reps
faster? Which is about 10 seconds.
Yes, yeah, if you're, if you're. Moving fast or unless unless
that third unless unless the 3rd or 4th Rep you have to come back
down. Right, right.
And then it's. A whole lot.
More, yeah, it's it's 4 reps it it or it's 10 seconds if you're
fast, but not if you're not good at handstand push ups.
And so like, I mean, these are the arguments you start getting
into and this is all back, you know, back in napkin math.
This is me just quickly trying to assume things, so.
What about this from Thomas Radney?
No one noticed an Astro. Ask for forgiveness, not
permission. Always.
I will say I think Rogue did the right thing in saying that we
will accept both since they did make the air.
It is there, right? It says it both ways.
The fact that they're not like they are owning up, they emailed
everybody and we're like, that's our bad.
We made that mistake. We're going to accept
everybody's score. I do think that's the right
call. I think that's something we
don't see from CrossFit ever, and I think they went about it
the right way. As for the actual leaderboard,
I've talked to quite a few athletes as I've heard it.
Now I have one confirmed in the men's side on the top five who
has received a penalty, Another one I've heard a rumor on and
I've heard at least two more in the top 10 have received a
penalty of some sort that's ranging from major to, you know,
basically a score being invalidated.
On the women's side, we've already heard it's Sydney
Michelation has received a a penalty on Workout 4 for not
measuring the tape line and her score will be invalidated.
There's another woman in the top five that's also gotten it.
I don't know of anybody else in the top ten, but out of the 20
top ten athletes, men and women, there's six penalties that I
know of so far. And that's not asking everybody.
It is this or something we have to get used to in online
competitions. Yeah.
I mean, this goes back to what I was saying last week.
You even want a leaderboard if you don't know, like it just
makes us talk about nothing. Because if if in the top ten
there are that many and that you've asked, it has to be the
same going down, yeah, it's got, it's probably going to get even
worse going down. So it's like the whole
leaderboard's going to adjust. You just go to the top five
though, wouldn't you? What do you mean until you have
5 names that are good to go? Well, I don't know if you can,
because they're somebody that's in 22nd could impact the
standings of everybody else that's in the top five.
It's like they have a bigger job than they than that.
It's a. It's a butterfly effect, yeah.
Yeah. But it's.
I mean, yeah, one woman had the wrong weights.
Her coach put the wrong weights in.
Another guy has an issue with lunges.
Gorgeous. He he's the one on the men's
side. And he was telling me that he,
you know how the rope is longer right on the ground and and
Panchak hurt you know, twisted his ankle or whatever.
So what he's been doing since 2021 is that as Jimmy takes a
kettlebell and ties the rope around a kettlebell and kind of
makes it slide out to the side so he doesn't step on it.
And he's done this for quarter finals, semifinals, all the
video or quarter finals at the for the for the CrossFit Games.
And he's always gotten it passed, Like they've reviewed
his video and accepted it, and now Rogue has not.
They didn't tell people to have control on the way down in any
of those competitions. It's completely different that
that's that's the argument ever. Gorgos.
Every single rope climb workout we've ever had online has just
been a normal rope climb. You can just jump down.
This is the very first one. You have to show control.
Two hands on the rope all the way to the ground and you just
jump down. He didn't.
No, he didn't jump down. Who am I thinking of?
Then? Somebody just jumped down.
I thought it was him. Leahy.
You're always you're always talking about Leahy.
No, it's not Leahy. There was another dude.
That oh, was it Victor? Was it Hopper?
I think so.
Because then. Hopper is going to have a
penalty too, then correct? That's another one in the top
five that if you I'm. If you go to who?
If it's Hoffer. I thought it was your ghost but
maybe maybe I'm wrong. But it's on Hiller's video.
But if it's Victor Hopper, that's another one in the top
five. He just jumps down.
He doesn't like just disregards everything like that's just
that's a 0. Yeah.
What, what Rogue is telling Jorgos is that it by having it,
you know, off the ground and tied to a a kettlebell, it's
providing more like stabilization control versus
having it, you know, flopping around.
I don't know, maybe. I'm not sure it's enough to to
do that, but it wasn't in the rule books that you couldn't as
far as I know. But that's kind of where he
stands. But given this, we have four
people potentially that are going to receive a a penalty.
I know a couple have appealed it.
I don't think they go very well at Rogue.
I think they pretty much have a 0 tolerance policy but we're one
additional penalty which I don't know if Victor Hoffer would have
enough to drop him down but we're we're one penalty away
from Mr. Hopper making a top five.
Cristobal has gotten 2 workouts back.
Approved, but if we have. Not be ahead of Hopper.
Yeah, but we'd have. 555 drop out Jason would be the the fifth
one in so so. Hold on, let me let.
Me do? What about my boy?
So hold. On hold on, Who's your boy?
My boy, Travis. Oh, he's good, man.
He's on playing the rules. Correctly.
We won't talk about last year, but.
OK, yeah, I was. I mean, he probably learned his
lesson last year. He weighed his weights, right?
I guess I I mean spin hasn't heard anything.
So if we know, we know. Will we know your ghost?
Do you? You know your ghost, right?
He's out because of that annual Okai and get Gian Gian and and
if it's Victor that let's go over the rope.
I I thought it was your ghost. But if it's Victor, then we got
Ricky Travis. Tudor.
Tyler.
Alan Hopper. Yeah.
I don't know if Victor, you know.
It all depends on what the the how major of a penalty it is,
right. But.
Duty dried. Let's go the road.
If they penalized your ghost for that, his was the most egregious
of them all. I I get it.
So I yeah, I mean, I I've heard some crazy stories on the
penalties that have been assessed.
I won't get into some of those details 'cause they are still
under appeal. But I mean, I I don't like this.
Like we see a leaderboard and half potentially of the top ten
all receive major penalties that kick him out.
Like that's crazy. Like we got to do something
different. In my opinion, only one, only
one is well, two I guess would be movement standards at least,
you know, maybe not standing up, but there's like a penalty or
Rep or two, right? But everything I'm hearing are
more major penalties or scores are completely invalidated.
This seems like a lot of squeeze for not a lot of juice, You know
what I mean? Like everything.
Everything's at their discretion.
Do the athletes have to pay to do this?
Like, I'm wondering about, like they all have to pay.
So it just seems like a revenue scheme at this point.
Like that's all you're doing it for.
If you're if you make the rules anyway and they can just decide,
you know what, we're just going to invite 20 anyway.
We don't really need you. Or maybe we just take one.
It's like that's a lot of competition, a lot of sorting
through crap, which makes a lot of what I'm about to say make a
lot of sense. So I've reached out to a few
people who I knew that work behind the scenes in judging and
and scoring last year on this. And they all, none of them are
on the team now and they're the all new people are on the team.
And 'cause I was asking them why, Why did there seem to be so
many problems this year? And they were like, I think it's
a very, very small team compared to what it was last year, which
means they've cut the budget. They realize this is not a lot
of juice worth the squeeze. Hey, are you are you able to
play Hiller's video on here? I can try.
I can try to. I can try to find it.
Go to go to 840. OK 840 on Hiller's video, the
one where we're talking about this stuff.
OK, it is your ghost care of this.
Quit telling me that I'm wrong. You can see his kettlebell tied
to the rope in the video and he just drops from the rope.
Is it your ghost too? Because I don't.
Want to get Hopper's hopes up when Victor Hopper's climbing
the rope correctly? Because Hopper's watching right
now. He wants to know what we know.
You said 848 forty. There we go.
Are you able to play it with sound?
No, but yeah, you see this is you see, you see the kettlebell,
which is not really doing anything, which I mean I guess
it's kind of pulling off a little bit to the side.
OK, now you're telling me, your ghost.
I've always done it this way. I don't know why my kettlebell
makes a difference. It's because you jumped off the
freaking rope. You got to hold on to it too.
It makes no sense. Like you know what you're doing.
Yes, that that. That mean was he controlled,
though? It doesn't matter.
He's off of it. Oh yeah, this is a double hand
rule. Right.
Did you read Page Six of the rules?
You know, I skipped Page Six. I read all the others, it seems
5 pages. Had to have both hands on the
rope and feet on the ground. Oh, OK.
So. And he said because I tied my
rope to my kettlebell, that's why I got my penalty.
Well, that's why you see. How ridiculous of a reason that
is right now. That's why they're saying that's
why he. That's at least that's what he
told me. That's what I'm saying.
If you see how ridiculous that sounds now though, after seeing
that. Well, they get they.
They said one. That's why they penalized them.
They could have penalized them, apparently for both.
That's they penalized them for that.
They didn't penalize them for the kettlebell thing.
He's lying to you. I'm telling you right now, when
he told you that you should like your ghost, you're lying.
That was the trashiest real crime I've ever seen in my life.
You read page 67, Part B of the of the rule.
You know, hold on to it all the way down.
Don't let me. Learn.
Greek until you talk trash in Greek pull you the old Jeffrey
Adler on you. Man fighting words with Yorgas.
I'm just no if y'all told me I was wrong like four times that
that's not the guy. I thought it was off the road,
but as confuse it with a different European.
And I'm. I'm sad now.
I was. I was hoping it was Hopper.
No. Sorry, Victor.
I I don't hope that I'm just pulling for my people.
Alyssa, any rumors or penalties for Ricky Mack or will he be
there? I have not heard any yet.
He's all good, Alyssa. As far as I know.
And his weights are weighed, right?
He's got three O 5.25 or something.
It's like the most exact thing in the.
World. But, but what's crazy is I was
talking to Jr. and he was, you know, he was weighing the
weights for Jason and like, he would weigh a rogue plate and it
would come out, instead of 45 lbs, it would say 44.95 and he'd
be like, Nope, let's try a new one.
Like, that's crazy, right? Like, but he doesn't want to be
the one that is responsible for rogue CS 44.95 and says, you
know, Nope, it's invalid. Which my response to him was the
kilogram to pound conversion is a bigger difference than that.
Way bigger. You know, so I I don't know.
This is, I don't like seeing it, I think.
Which is what we were saying last week.
Yeah, like, I don't know if it, I don't think I saw somebody
comment like why don't we just hide the leaderboard until it's
completely done and then just show.
Like here's the final, but I think that just masks the
problem and I don't know what the solution is.
I think they're doing it the best way they can.
You almost want it to be like, this is what they submitted.
And then y'all will get to see everybody that did it right and
everybody that did it wrong, right.
Like, I don't mind it. I'm annoyed that it's taking so
long, but I feel like this is the they're doing.
I feel like it's the best way it can be done.
You know what I mean? I like this better.
At least it's frozen. Remember last year it was like
Colton was like second place and then he was like 30th.
Because I'm bouncing back and forth.
I like at least that it's fixed. I just don't like the fact that
we're we're getting to a point where over 25% of the athletes
end up getting a penalty. Some of them are completely
legit, right? But some of them are not
measuring a tape line and I don't know all of the other
ones, but like, I just don't like it right.
It seems like it it turns out to be who can get by with a video
review versus who's the fittest. So I'm not sure the best way to
to solve it, but we'll move on to the Madrid Championship so
Mr. Friend will be out there to Madrid.
Pretty good field honestly isn't.
Peter going to go too. I think Peter will be out there.
Pedro from coffee pods and wads will be out there, I think.
I don't know what he's doing in what capacity, but quite a few
games athletes. Adrian Moonweiler from Back in
the day. I think Catullus was 20/19.
Yeah, well, everybody was there a lot of.
Well, there's there's your boy, your goes.
This will be the only big competition he does in the month
of October or what is September and October.
Yeah, that didn't work out for me.
Yon koski laser Luca. Yeah, it's like.
There's a lot of good people. Luca von Yak.
He's good, isn't he? Yeah, Luca von Yak.
He was like 7th or 8th in the European final.
All the training think tanks going to be there.
Simon Mantila Mr., Travis Mayer. Oldest.
Oldest Yeah, it's a solid line up on the men's side, the
women's side. Is this all invite?
No. Well, no, it's it's pretty much
a qualifier. And then they invite athletes
like Onica and Travis. But yeah, Solberg, Greer.
Garatala's. Good.
Ellie Lumberg was on a team this year.
Emma Gardner's always been at I don't know, did she make semi
finals this year? Who?
Emma Gardner. I can't.
Remember, I'm not. Sure.
Lane 8 herself. Jackie Dahlstrom, Miss Lane 8.
Jennifer Muir. She was up there in the near the
top for a while at semi finals and.
Frey. That's a big name.
Frey Ova. She might win.
Jacqueline should make her own jerseys and just put the number
8 on them. That would be that would take
the piss out. Please do that.
Tyler Yeah, Leah Storin. Didn't you pick her to like
qualify for the games? I think it's the no.
Show I was I was heavy on the Norwegians.
Madeline Pearson It's up there 30 Victoria campus I have a
daughter wild to see Victoria campus making it all the way
over there. But when we think about the
these type of competitions we think about worldwide rankings
or or the spin top 25. How much weight do you put into
any of this, John? The Madrid Championship.
Yeah, If you see, if you see Travis, if you see Travis Mayor,
go and just win. No, you don't care.
No, it doesn't change any opinion of Travis Mayer.
Nope. I mean like if he goes out there
and dominates like. Or what if?
What if Victoria Campos does what?
Like she She wins nothing. Nothing.
If if Travis were to beat, who's
is Lazar in this or is it Luca? Laza and both are.
So if he so, OK, so like if Travis were to beat Lazar like
convincingly and then that would influence me.
Aside from that, nothing. Tyler, do you agree?
Do you? Look, I mean, don't.
I mean, he can't feel like he. Put Travis any higher.
Top three. He's already write it.
Down You have to redo the shirts, but we could do the top
three. Top five was thought.
He still counts. Yeah, I I agree with John on
this one. I mean, to a certain degree it's
like when I used to measure competitions to see how
comparable they were to others, like I would just drop one like
this because the depth of the field just isn't there.
So you end up like if you're Travis, you're just competing
with five guys for the most part really.
And so I mean it doesn't really say much to me.
You're just not. You're not competing with the
depth of field that you have to to prove anything to me.
So what are you? About as reliable like as the
Open That's how much. Yeah is what if.
How you do in the open. Right.
It's it's nothing.
Are there any, is there anything you kind of take from this
though and look at so they kind of keep in the back of my mind
like a specific workout or or like somebody does really well,
I mean is that do you ever draw upon that?
That would be it if somebody had like some crazy score.
But we would need to know about what was possible.
So if it was like some novel workout that we didn't
understand. But if they run like or if they,
if they did like, I don't know, 30 ring muscle up some broken,
it's like and they did it in some stupid crazy time, it's
like OK, like that's. Really good at ring muscle.
Up. Yeah, that's what you take from
that, right. But besides that, like, I'm not,
I'm not saying, well, they won, they won Madrid.
It's like, I'll use it like as a qualifier, like, well, you know,
Monica Greer did go out and won Madrid, so she's on like a bit
of a A roll right now. She's she's got a little win
under her. But it doesn't really like if if
she won here and then went to rogue and did poorly, I'd be
like, OK, that makes sense, you know what I mean?
Yeah, I I would agree with that. But, like, I might look at if I
knew specific athletes, like the people who are going to be at
the Games, if I knew what like their weaknesses are, which for
a lot of them I do, but some of them I don't.
So like, just for the ones that I do know, oh, this person's
really weak at this. But you take Monica Greer, she's
very little machines, are not her friend.
If she went out and I got and was hanging with Karan Freyova
on the bike, I'll be like she has worked that weakness, all
right. So then like I wouldn't be
afraid of her in a bike workout where before I'm like she ain't
going to do good on this one, right.
So like, I would take away that, like just if I know specific
weaknesses and see if they had worked on that.
But it would have to be like an eye opening thing.
And after that, I mean it's about, it's about it.
Like, would you say you were so high on the people that were
good at Water Palooza last year? Like, like like it was
everything to you. I don't know why Water Palooza
stuck out to you so much, but like you based your whole
rankings on how people did at water.
Pollution. That's not true.
Oh, it was pretty true, Brent for, and I was like Brian, water
Palooza. It does not matter at what you
think out like in total fitness. It doesn't matter when it comes
to the games. How did Paige Powers do?
Did she show up that? She could.
She was supposed to do 10th. Yeah, but she came from, what,
23rd or something like that from water?
Palooza. Right.
And I use Water Palooza as saying that she's making those
improvements. Yeah, but I then you have her
like sixth or something. No, no.
OK. Well.
No, no, other other than my Brent pick.
I wasn't that far off. I understand.
If I don't, if I don't think water Palooza is the end all be
all. Madrid definitely ain't going to
make a dent in in things like Rogue and semi finals I think
are the only competitions you can take anything away from as
far as people's actual fitness versus other top end fitness.
Water Palooza. You can take workouts.
Specific workouts in my in my opinion.
Tyler, do you agree? Yeah I I I agree I give a little
more weight to water Palooza. But like even still last year
like I remember ranking the women and it was like this is
probably if you win it's about as good as the 17th place finish
of the games. Like it's still in context
you're you're definitely starting to show something
there. This was last year, of course,
but like they pull such big names that you can you can start
to talk about like this. Probably it is pretty good.
You're going to make the games or you're going to, you're going
to be a name. The problem is as they've
started to change the formats more, the workouts change so
that it's like you might not be talking about games level, but
it's worth like a 17th at like maybe a semifinals, something
like that. Like their workouts I think are
starting to come away from what a game style, like what speaks
to a game athlete. Does that make sense?
If you do, well, it's still a good qualifier, but it means
more to me that you might do well in my finals.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to base my rankings
off of this. Much more, much, much heavier
water. Water polo is much heavier to
me. I just think even.
The vibe like I think it has games level, people without a
games level vibe like as far as compete.
Intensity. It's a party, you know what I
mean? Everybody's just going here to
have a good time. Yeah, we're competing.
But it's not this. It is like you don't go there
to, like, talk Russian trash, you know what I mean?
Like, I feel like you have that at Rogue.
Rogue, to me is the closest thing we have to the games.
Just smaller, you know what I mean?
Or you have the top, if you have the top 15 guys or women from
the games. Or pretty much the same.
Well, waterpaloos that we had like the top ten guys like
waterpaloos. On the on the men's side, for
sure. Yeah, it's just it's just the
vibe is so different to me. It's hard for me to, you know, I
feel like certain people are peaked out and certain people
are not peaked out. It's just I don't like like,
Tyler said. I think it's.
You could use it as a
checkpoint. Yeah, I I also look at it as
some of the middle tier like we'd mentioned some of the semi
final athletes. I think it is a good kind of
metric to see how they do compete against the top better
athletes if they can beat them pretty well.
You know, if you have a, you know, say Andrea Solberg ends up
podium, right? Like, she's always in the mix of
potentially qualifying out of Europe if she goes in podiums
and beats Karen Friova, right? Like.
Even that go, man, I don't know who won Dubai.
Was it Moritz Phoebig or no, no, no, no.
It was somebody. Else.
Yeah. No, no.
It was Bobby. It was Benito.
Benito. Yeah, yeah.
Bobby and Benito won. Dubai beat Bukowski.
He beat another big name, too. Who else was that?
Dubai. There was two big names.
Bazaar bazaar. Beat Bukowski and Lazar.
I think Ricky was there too, right?
No, he couldn't. Was that last year?
OK, but regardless, Bukowski, Mazar 2 top ten games guys,
perennial, and he beat those guys, it meant nothing.
He just had like the greatest competition for him and they had
bad competitions or you know, Dubai is always funky with their
events. Well, Brent was coming from
Egypt, too. He was like, but I'm saying
like. In Dubai, which is a really big
competition, it meant nothing because how did he do with the
games? He wasn't with them.
They were two different people, right?
Like, like that's that's kind of like if Andrea Solberg were to
win and beat Karn Freyova. I'm still going to put Karn
Freyova top 20 in the games. I'm not going to put Andrea
Solberg anywhere close. You see what I'm saying?
Like it just these things don't mean a lot for me.
It's just, it's just weakness, work, any competition.
Is. Go ahead, go ahead.
But I'm pulling, I pulled up the the Dubai leaderboard and what
strikes me is that Lazar did so poorly last year.
And it's like, I think what you deal with a lot.
Because I remember what didn't he like, tweak his back when
they were walking, they did the stair run and stuff like that.
It's like. He he didn't fuel properly.
He about passed out. Oh yeah, it's something like
that. But it's like if you're not
feeling good, you're pulling out or you're you're you're pulling
up. At least like in these offseason
competitions, we're at the games like you'll break your foot and
you're like, I'm going to go into the next event, I don't
care. And so that's to me, that's part
of the intangible part that you have to think about is like
there's not a lot for these athletes to sell out on.
There's no reason to. So it's like the the stakes
being lower, everything's just it's less meaningful.
You know, Rogue's about the only one that's as meaningful.
As the games and I think that it's just cause the payday it's
top it's you it is the top ten guys in the world it is and
girls it is the best of the best and then you're you're getting
paid one spot is $15,000. Right.
That's a lot. Where?
Nowhere. Where Madrid.
Do you know what the Madrid prize prize purse is?
It's not very much I know. That it just it just.
I don't I. That's why.
That's why these things don't mean a lot to me.
Yeah, I just, I kind of wish that they had more meaning,
right? Like I wish we would see more,
more athletes, better competition.
They did, Once Upon a time. When they were, well, the season
was different. Four years ago, yeah, When they
were sanctioned. Yeah, four years ago.
Guess and no. Guess and no.
I think you just get lucky. With what sanction will you
pick? That and I didn't like how that
you're qualified out of the open and then like the 6th place
person end up getting the. Winning.
I didn't. I didn't like that either.
There was one time where it was like the 12th place person like.
I that was that was Rogue it was because.
They're all already there. I can't remember a name, but
yeah, like. I can't wait to watch out before
to see who's going to qualify. It was.
It was the 2nd heat that was fighting for.
It was crazy. And I was like, oh hell, here's
the who's who's going to win the the whole Rogue Invitational.
That doesn't really matter. So, all right, last a couple
days ago, I talked to quite a few teen athletes who are now
making it to the open division. And we've kind of talked about
the teen teen competition over over time.
And you know, on Savant's podcast, we talked with Jessica
Kahoy, who's the coach for Ty Jenkins.
But I talked to Trista Smith, Hugo Johnson, Kaden Hogan and
Myers, Jenna Michelotti kind of talking about like what are they
doing to to kind of navigate and transition from the team
competition to the open competition and kind of get a
sense of where their goals were, what they're kind of working on.
It was definitely a wide range of of where they wanted to go.
I mean, like Jenna's like, hey, I'm going to Penn State, like
I'm going to go have fun. I'm still going to do CrossFit.
I want to compete in this sport in a long time, but I'm not
going to worry about it this year.
Like if it great, if it happens, great, but I don't know.
She'll probably be the best one. And.
Over a long term. Yeah, and Trista's looking, you
know, looking forward to her final year as a senior at high
school. But then you have like Ty
Jenkins, who's like, no, I'm going to hammer my weaknesses
and do what I can to get there, right?
Like, what's the. I mean, it's going to be
different for everybody, but if you were 17 years old, you got
first or second or third or fifth whatever, right?
And you're one of the top teen athletes.
What do you do in the offseason as you get ready to go face
Laura Horvath or Roman right the next year?
I tell you what I do is exactly, I do exactly what Ty Jenkins is
doing is I do some of these qualifiers, he's going to crash
and he's competing with some big names.
I test myself in the pool with big name athletes.
So put your name, you know, in that in that roster and see how
you do. And if it's if you're coming up
and you're like, man, I'm still like, I'm still getting whooped
by some guys who aren't really Games caliber or close to games
caliber, but maybe bottom of the leaderboard stuff like that,
like slow your roll, you've got time.
Dude, you're 18 years old. Look at Jack Farlow.
He's slow rolling it, you know, he's still training, but he's
he's going to engineering school.
He's doing life. You have time.
That's that's how I would do it. Yeah, no, I agree.
I think, like Dallin played football his senior year of high
school. You know, I think, I think the
way Dallin has done it is the best way to do it.
He doesn't do a ton of competitions.
I think he does Water Palooza every year.
But other than that, like I don't hear his name in a ton of
competitions. No, I agree with Tyler.
I think you can test yourself and then see where you're at.
OK. Still pretty far away.
We're going to train until the open and then we'll, you know,
and then we'll do that year and then see.
And then you just, you know, you just see what you do in the open
and then you do, you might have like 2 feeler, feeler
competitions a year just to see where you're at.
I think the way down has done it is perfect.
It's kind of hard to say that Emma has done it perfectly
because she was so good and she's only 18.
You know, I remember Once Upon a time when there was somebody
really good who was 18, She's not there anymore.
She's you know what I mean? Maybe she comes back.
We don't know. You know, we have no idea.
She changed her hair color. She's got a new boyfriend.
We'll see what happens, right? Like, so, like, it's hard for me
to say. Emma Lawson is just, the part is
perfect because we don't know. We don't know.
But like, it's like, I saw her Instagram the other day and it
was like, I kind of just take this after the games.
I take a couple months off and just do what I do or just go
hiking a bunch with Jack. So yeah, I agree with Tyler.
I think it's very easy for teenagers to get burnt out.
If you sell your soul to CrossFit, I almost, I don't
know, I'd be. This would be a great question
to ask Justin. We don't think of Justin as a
kid because he wasn't great until he was 22, right?
He was really young. Whenever we we when he came on
the scene, he was really young. But he had been doing it since
13 and then like his rookie year, now he's Justin Maderos,
right? And then he won.
Like that'd be a great question to ask him.
You should have him on the show. Brian, I don't know why you
haven't had him on the show yet. We're about to talk about him,
but like, no spoilers. You know, I don't.
I feel like Justin's managed competing through teenager years
really, really well. But it's such a touchy subject
and I'm not going to act like I know I know anything.
I kind of leave that alone. And I just think, you know,
we'll see who does it, who manages the best.
Everybody's different mentally. Everybody can handle different
things, so it's hard, it's hard for me to comment on it.
Well, I talked to Dallin when all the kind of teen stuff came
up, when everybody was kind of not competing this year.
I mean, he said he went through some dark times, too, right?
Like, it wasn't easy, especially on the men's side, right?
Like, it's really hard. Nobody's gone from the teen
competition to the games that next year.
Like Guy was one of those guys that had potential.
Dallin obviously Ty's probably the last most recent one that
has that shows potential. But like, you put some of his
strength numbers up and they don't compare, right?
Like, So yeah, yeah, like and and his run wasn't good.
Like if you think about his five, his 5K run and and the
Olympic total, he's near the bottom of that list on both,
right? And you know, strength is always
the biggest issue. The hardest for the men
especially, especially, and I I think Dallin has made that jump
better than anybody has. Gee was strong before he got
there. Gee snatched 290 lbs when he was
17 years old, right. I think Dall as far as like I'm
not strong enough, I'm going to get stronger.
I think he made that jump better than everybody else As far on
the men's side, I think it's better to take these things
slower than faster though, just in general, general opinion on
it. I think you should take these
things slower than faster. Always do the CrossFit season
right, but there's no need to go do a million competitions.
You hear that about use or? Well, they used to talk a lot
more. Now that, I mean like every
college team is just recruiting like crazy and all the stuff,
but you used to have a lot more people stay four years.
He needs time. He needs time to like, grow.
He needs time to. His body needs, mature needs,
but weight on. He needs to figure out the game
a little bit more. There's stuff to learn in
college like that. It was growth period and it's
the same exact time that we're talking about 18 to 22.
It's like you need to let your body form, you need to let your
mind form. But we don't have a space to do
that. There's one place that everybody
goes and they want to go to the games and it's like if you if
you had good coach, a good coach that didn't want to push you in
that direction, I think they would put you into teams.
And it's like this is sustainable.
We can work on on your weaknesses, but you can still
have fun and compete in an outlet and you do that for four
years and then come out. It's just hard to tell people
like, hey, let's just wait, you know what I mean?
What if we had waited for Justin a little bit longer, like he's
already won it twice. So he might be a bad example,
but I think he did it right. Yeah, but like.
Mao I. Mean like Mao?
Mao's a good one. Like, she comes out super hot
and it's like, maybe it would have been better for her to be
on a team, learn to love the sport, learn to love the game a
little bit, and then go out and just and absolutely kill it.
It's a different mindset. Though I I it is Mal Mal Mike.
To me being on teams like I I hate.
I hate the team thing. I hate being on teams.
Like it's not it's not for everybody.
It's not. It's not for like like there's
individual mindset. No, you know what I mean.
I agree and like so this this is a philosophy thing to me.
Like with Danielle I think the greatest mistake any coach can
do with her, you don't put, you don't put a heart harness.
You don't put a harness on a thoroughbred.
You just let them run. She she's a Def Leppard kind of
athlete. It's better to burn out and fade
away. So fucking burn out as fast as
you can. Make your money now while the
sun's shining learn that that she's that kind of athlete.
Whereas Travis Mayer he's a long burn man.
He's slow, long, burn over the course of, but a great long
career. He's not the same type of
athlete as her, you know, this is something I was thinking
about with Travis this year, like maybe training leading up
this year. Like there's some talk that this
is his last year. Maybe you burn it down like you
do ignorant shit that you wouldn't have done any other
year training because you absolutely want to give it all
your last time. But when you're a young athlete,
if you aren't already thinking I'm going to be top ten, don't
Just don't go. You have to, I mean, go with no
expectations. I just don't think you should
put expectations on yourself. It's just so hard because you
get out there. But I agree.
Do you think like the pit throw down or whatever it was called
this past weekend had a the next like oh, they call it varsity or
whatever? For I think it was up to like 21
year old with rumors that age groups may split off at some
point or do something different. Does that seem like maybe the
best path is to give athletes that opportunity, right?
Because, like, it's got to be tough.
You're 17, you've won, Like, Ty's won three years in a row,
he's competed 3 years, he's won three years in a row now.
He shows up to the Open. He probably does well.
He does fine. He gets the quarter finals.
I think he makes the semi finals.
He can make it, he can make it. And he just gets takes 40th,
right? Like how many years in a row do
you want to do that before you're like?
No, I don't think that's bad. Or.
Or should he have another opportunity?
Like should there be a bigger platform a a games level stage
for 18 to 20 year olds or something?
I don't think so. I think once you hit 18, you're
an adult, you're an adult. I think people, you're good
enough to go do the competitions.
Go do the big competitions. I'm saying you.
I'm saying you could. I'm saying you could, but like,
do we give them an opportunity to continue to compete against
the best of their? 18 to 20 anything once you're.
18. You're in the open.
You're you're, you're, you're with everybody else.
There shouldn't be some, like small.
They're still young, like. Babe Ruth.
Yeah.
No, no. Like once you're out of the teen
division, you're you're, you're an.
Adult that safety. Be with the adults, yeah.
I don't want that safety net, like you need to feel that
sting, that you're not good enough to be there.
Yet nobody would care if you. Wanted.
Yeah, right. None.
OK. Like.
I would like that, dude. You're talking about meaning
nothing. That would mean nothing.
OK. Like, you're always skeptical of
the person who wins the scale division.
It's like, did you just not go? You know what I mean?
I mean it's a little different, little different, but I don't
know I if you're going to have the age groups, I could see
having that there personally. Like, I still think you can go
do it, but. You have the team division.
I'm saying I'm fine with the team.
Like saying the pit team throw down is now that's the teenager
games, right? Just like the Masters splits off
the Legends is now going to be called the Legends CrossFit
Games, right? And that's the Masters games.
I'm fine. I'm fine with that.
I just don't think there should be some weird in the middle
competition, you know what I mean?
Oh, man, I'm 23. I can't do the college games
anymore. Like, I don't know.
I I just. The reason I say it is because,
like, obviously women. Mal Haley, Right, Olivia.
They make the jump much. Easier They've they've made it
very easy. But for the guys, you don't
right there. There isn't another sport where
you graduate from your, say, high school and there isn't
something there for you. Just get beat up.
Unless you're if you're a guy you always get beat up, right?
Is there is there Is there a two year developmental type?
Yeah, it's called divisions, Justin.
Made regional. When he was 19 and he started
running against Josh Bridges and figured out, oh, I can't run as
fast as Josh Bridges. I need to run faster, right?
And then at 20, he still couldn't.
And then AT21-O snap, I'm really good now.
Like it just semi. You develop in semi finals say
tie make semi finals this year gets crushed right.
First off his cardio should be like I don't think if you win
the the teen Division I don't think they're going to be 40th
place. I think you'll be like 20 to 30.
You're just not good. You're not as good as like the
Jake Berman's of the world but you're you're better than like
most people that make semi finals.
Would you agree with that Tyler like?
At baseline, Baseline, you're 20 to 30.
Now you know you could go up or down.
You should. Have a ton of weaknesses other
than just being weak right and then next.
Year at Semi? Finals next year at semi finals,
your goal is top 20 and then the year after that your goal is to
make it like that's how you develop, just like everybody
else. Justin is a great example of
this, right? He developed just like that.
And I think a lot of people develop like that.
They're just not big names that we know about, right?
No one did develop like that, right?
Jeff developed like that. You know, Jeff.
Jeff like, like that's how they all develop.
They just don't get good until they're 27.
And I think that's OK, that guys take longer.
We just know that guys take longer.
I don't think we should cater to guys because they can't make the
jump the way the women can. I just think we should know.
Takes guys a little bit longer, right?
That's how I think we should go about it.
I don't think we should make some weird competition so they
have a place to compete. No, you're not good enough.
You have the games. You probably can qualify for the
Madrid CrossFit Championship. You go do that.
That'd be fun. Go to Spain, right?
I I think Ty can qualify for that, right?
That's, that's what I'm saying. I like what happens, like to
play along with what John's saying.
I like what happens if you take away the team competitions in
total and just let them push out to the other other events.
It's like now they have to want to go to Madrid, they have to
want to go anywhere that'll let them and to me, like I'm going
to get on my team soapbox again. Could you imagine how many teams
would want to do team if they were allowed to do that, but
nothing else. Like every there would be so
many more competitive teams in the in the division.
People would care more, I think. I think.
Tyler cares more about teams than anybody on.
This it's it's funny because it's like I didn't watch a team
event this year. I see what it can be, but you
know, it's nothing right now. I just, there's a million ways
to fix it and I just constantly am thinking of them.
But anyway, I think that it would.
Be Tyler. Me.
No. Why?
Not and I I, I mean, I I could do it rethinking how their
qualifying process goes, because last time it was like we did RX
and then we got murdered because everybody in our league was like
sandbaggers that didn't want to do the next division.
Because, right, that's what I'm saying.
I probably would do it if the right people came along.
No, I won't. I if I had a team that would
that I would do it with, but I'm not going to do it because I'm
going to be working in that Rogue or I mean, yeah.
OK. Yeah.
Yes. You will be working at Water
Palooza, yeah? I totally forgot I.
Didn't even know that. All right, does.
This mean I can't do water because I I was going to do
water. Palooza to do double time.
That sucks about being a personality, doesn't it, John?
Oh, I didn't even think. That's fine.
It's fine. I could do both.
It'll be all right. What everybody's been waiting
for puppy time. All right, so guys, Justin
Maderos is not going to win the 2024 CrossFit Games.
That's just this is what this means.
Sorry. So we've been talking.
Looks like Justin and Ellie have a puppy.
Their first child. Yeah first fur baby.
We've talked about you know he's going vlogging he's going
traveling like what should he be doing after he doesn't finish in
the top 10 Is this the right move to win the games or or we
talk about Madrid it doesn't doesn't matter to the top to
your rankings does this matter to your rankings drawn I'm.
Intangible. Here, Tyler, you go first.
I'll be right back. Somebody, I told somebody I was
buying a cat one time and they said that's very domestic of
you. And to me, when you're doing
what you're doing right now, you got to be kind of a cowboy.
Like, you have to burn everything else.
It doesn't matter, You know what I mean?
Like, Matt put off a bunch of stuff in his life.
Everybody puts off a bunch of stuff in his life because they
wanted to focus on the one thing that mattered, which was the
games to them. I see a puppy in your hands, and
I think that's pretty domestic. It's pretty tame of you bro.
John I I don't. I don't think it's a good thing,
but I don't know I I am very. It makes me more confident that
I don't think he's going to win the games.
I does not influence my rankings of him at all.
I still think he's going to be, you know, 5th through 7th.
It just, I don't know something, something about having a puppy
in your hands just just makes like your killer instinct not
be. There as much.
It John's not going to win the games now because of that 80 LB
mess he's got in his hands. I'm not going to win CrossFit
Games, and that's OK You know what?
It's OK. But I don't know vlogging,
getting a puppy dog. It's just it's a lot.
It doesn't equal pounds, but it does in some weird way.
It's a, it's a. It's a lot of not working out.
But you know, maybe, maybe, you know, it'd be great if he won
the games and his dog ran out on the stands with them and then he
just flipped off everybody. Like this is to everybody that
said I wasn't going to win the games again.
I I mean, that'd be awesome. But yeah, it's, it's, I don't
know, Roman. Roman can't handle somebody
trash talking to him. Justin's got a dog, Adler's AD
bag and Belliner's too old. You know, if Ricky could get his
stuff together and get off the freaking mountain Pike and just
win the CrossFit Games, it'd be great, OK?
All of our top people has something going on with them
that they just ha. Is there anybody else?
Hopper can't decide if he wants to be good or not good.
Who? Who else is?
Who else is there? I swear, you know, I say
Chandler Smith. Gosh, I'm just really conflicted
about everybody. I do.
I have a Bassett Bassett Hound and an English Bulldog.
So man, you don't see Bassett hounds anymore.
I miss Bassett hounds. Dude, she's she's wild.
Saw her at a church and had puppies and next you know we
have a puppy, so. Do you think it does opposite
for Ellie? I think it helps her.
So Ellie, Ellie improves and Justin goes down.
Yes, I said. I can mark it down.
This is another one. I'm saying Ellie goes down.
Ellie's top 10 now because of a puppy.
Ellie's top 10 because of puppies.
She got puppy power. I mean, are we reading too much
into it? Or like is it a distraction?
Listen, I think we are reading way too much into it.
In saying that, it is a distraction and we are and we're
not reading too much. Yes and no.
I I don't know. Like none of it.
None of it makes me think you're going to win the cross.
But but you know, none of it should mean anything, right?
It shouldn't mean anything but. I was building a tin.
I was building a tinfoil hat earlier.
For fun. Everything means everything.
Everything means something, Yeah.
Well, I mean, I think, I think
you can take kind of parallel this with all the sponsorships
and all of the different requirements that are made of
these athletes now. Like 7 years ago, like that
wasn't a thing like unless you're a Rich or Catherine like
you didn't have a big sponsorship, it'd be great.
If Purina sponsored Justin, that'd be a phenomenal.
And he just had a Purina dog food in every post that he made.
Yeah, but don't you think that like, I mean you got Dallin
running around in American Eagle with Sprague, like they talk to
talk about themselves as being a brand, like they focus on they
have so many more things pulling them in different directions.
Right. Like, I guess it's kind of a
necessary evil, but it's so different.
I mean, it wouldn't be if if they made the money during
competition, but it is. I mean it is that way we have to
figure out how to pay for it another way.
So it is the nature of the beast until the season changes in such
a manner that they can actually make money for anybody lower
than 40th. Yeah, but isn't it a little bit
different though with like other sports?
They're not. You don't see any big name
basketball players posting stuff on Instagram and stuff like it's
on like their likeness is being. Used millions of dollars though.
Yeah, but they're they're being paid by that, by those brands,
right? But but Nike, but Nike's using
them. Nike's using them for stuff.
Like, they go and they do a commercial and then they're
done, like, or they take a picture, they do a photo shoot,
and then Nike's posting stuff on there, right?
They're not required to post stuff on Instagram and interact
with their fans and do those things like, it's a different
requirement, right? Yeah.
So I don't know.
I I think those who do the best right now are the ones who could
best manage it. And it's a different environment
than we've ever seen, right? Like Laura Horvath, We've not
even seen her since the Games. And that's good.
That gives me more confidence in Laura, right?
I'm confident that Laura does is not being split apart 15 ways.
She doesn't have a new puppy dog or new boyfriend.
You know what she's doing. She's in the squat rack and
she's running. She's not simple sample.
Ships. Because I know.
No, she's not. She's not doing those.
But she's throwing them off. That's it.
I owe you love. Don't eat them, she she's doing
what won her the CrossFit Games. That's what she's doing because
she's not. Because we haven't heard from
her. And it gives me more confidence
than ever that she's going to dominate Rogue unless there's
strict deficit handstand push ups.
But yeah. Yeah, I guess.
Would you rather have a Laura Horvath, a bunch of Laura
Horvath in the sport, or would you rather have Justin and
Ellie? A bunch of them?
What? Kind of a question is this.
Well, like, like you never see Laura, right?
If we had a whole bunch of podium finishers that we never
saw. Yeah, I don't want soap opera on
my phone 24/7. I don't what?
You don't. You don't.
Want the TVI? Want the Roman Adler, John?
That band, what did we talk about?
We. Yeah, I was scary.
I said just go down the list. All's we talked about was the
drama. We don't get to talk about
anything. If Laura was every athlete.
Well, he didn't say that, he said.
Would you rather, hey, knock it off or hold on, I got to be
cute. Like, excuse me, there we go.
I I like. I've you're saying Justin and or
if you're saying Roman and Adler, I would.
I want more of that all day. Bring on the drama, right?
If it's Jersey Shore, we're fighting, but not really
fighting drama. I'm fine with that.
I don't care for Puppy and me. I don't.
I don't care. You know what I'm saying?
It helps sell, helps sell, go on.
In here I would rather have Laura than look at look at a day
in the life of just. Travelling to Australia and.
Drinking. Yeah.
Yeah, I could care less about that.
The Craig Ritchie. You know what I mean?
Like, like, like, I I don't care about Craig Ritchie's life.
Now, if he wants to make a montage of him lifting weights
and saying the journey from crossfitter to weightlifter and
it's just him, you know, weightlifting all day, I'll
watch that. Right?
But I don't care about the vlogs.
I don't care about your puppy. It's cute.
It's it's not. I'm not not saying it's not
cute. It is cute.
But I don't care. Fair enough, Fair enough.
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