1 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,720 Welcome to a special edition of the Spin. 2 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:41,840 It is just myself, Brian Spin. It is Thursday afternoon. 3 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:48,560 Normally it's on Wednesdays, but after posting the article about 4 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,920 Alex Kazan this morning, I think a lot of you guys have missed 5 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,440 what's going on. You guys have have not seen what 6 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,720 the point of this entire article is. 7 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,480 So I definitely want to clear this out, let you guys ask some 8 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:10,640 questions and I'll explain why all of you guys in the comments 9 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,040 just do not get it. Berry. 10 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,120 MC Cochner. How's it going, Bubba? 11 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,640 Let's see. Oh, Jake is 8th. 12 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:27,200 All right, All right, so if you guys were not paying attention 13 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,360 this morning, it all started with a talking Elite fitness 14 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:39,960 interview with Alex Kazan, and I'll play that clip right here. 15 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:47,800 And let's see. So she was on Talk Elite 16 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,360 Fitness, they're talking about World Fitness project couple 17 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:56,240 weekends ago and Alex says this. One of my methods when I can't 18 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,680 sleep very well is to take like a micro dose THC. 19 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,720 Gummy of sorts. Like it's like mostly CBD, but 20 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,440 it has a little bit and we'll like Nix that out of the in 21 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,240 competition rules. So like you're allowed to 22 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,960 anyway. I was like, no, don't take it 23 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,720 'cause sometimes it can have adverse effects where like you 24 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,560 don't sleep and then you just feel for lack of like high and 25 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,280 not sleeping. And I was like, don't take it. 26 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,920 Just like lay there and I tossed and turn and all of a sudden 27 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:27,520 it's like one, I'm like, I'm going to take it. 28 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,080 And then so like I took it and then like an hour and a half 29 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,520 later when it like kicked in, I was like wide awake. 30 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:44,640 All right, so she says she takes a THC micro dosed THC gummy that 31 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:48,400 is mostly CBD, but it does have some THC in it. 32 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:56,800 And I mean I don't know all of the anti doping rules, but when 33 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:04,320 she made the comment about will saying I nixed that from it. 34 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,320 It it kind of piqued my interest like wait, something is going on 35 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:13,440 here. And so I started looking into it 36 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,800 and following the rulebook. So world fitness project does 37 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:25,200 have its own rulebook and you'll see right here page 2. 38 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,240 It says that here is the anti doping policy. 39 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,560 We then go to the drug testing policy, which is AI guess on the 40 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,960 Google Drive and you Scroll down and it has all kinds of stuff 41 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:44,120 about, you know, testing in their their testing pools, how 42 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,120 it works when you're, you know, you do test for something that 43 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,960 you shouldn't down here in the appendices, it says 44 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:58,200 cannabinoids. And so, and, and, and just for a 45 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,480 little clarification, this appendices that the World 46 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,880 Fitness Project bans the following classes of drugs at 47 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,960 all times and bans the following classes of drugs in competition. 48 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,760 That is word for word the same as what is in the CrossFit Games 49 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,480 drug policy. I think it's pretty standard. 50 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,839 I think it may even be very similar to WADA, but just kind 51 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,079 of, you know, a little bit less detailed. 52 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:25,360 But this is what the CrossFit Games has been dealing with or 53 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,720 have been using for years and they're not as WADA goes into a 54 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,800 lot of detail about everything you can and cannot take CrossFit 55 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,880 basically points you to WADA to say, let's take a look at that. 56 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:45,520 So cannabinoids, when you search what is under that, it 57 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:52,560 technically is THC. And so let's see if you go down 58 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:58,000 here in the article, it kind of I kind of still fall out. 59 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,880 All right. So cannabinoids are not allowed. 60 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,800 And basically what WADA says in their sect in their their rule 61 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:15,240 book, it says cannabinoids are prohibited in competition, in 62 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,920 competition. The definition of in competition 63 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:25,080 per WADA is you'll see it up here, the period commencing just 64 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,800 before midnight on the day before the competition. 65 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:33,560 So this will be Thursday night at 11:59 PM and it runs through 66 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,200 the end of the competition in the sample collection process, 67 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:41,880 so Sunday evening. So from that time period there 68 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,240 are certain things that you cannot take while you are 69 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,480 competing. You can take those those things 70 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:56,000 outside of that window. So technically Alex could take 71 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,920 that on Thursday morning, assuming that she would not get 72 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:04,080 tested for it at you know, and it would come under the 150 73 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,560 nanoliter or nanograms per milliliter. 74 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:15,640 And so a cannabidiol, cannabidiol, bidiol, I don't 75 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,840 know, CBD does not fall under this, right? 76 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:25,880 But actual cannabis, THCS and synthetic cannabinoids that 77 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,480 mimic THC are all banned in competition. 78 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:37,960 OK, So we know Ghazan took it. She said she had taken it. 79 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:44,000 But we don't know, does that violate technically, does it 80 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,240 violate the drug testing policy? Right, because you still have to 81 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:53,840 be above a certain threshold. And so I'm basically calling 82 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:58,160 that out. And when you think about the 83 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,360 CrossFit game season, right, like Andrew Hiller was 84 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,280 sanctioned for admitting that he used a substance that was 85 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:09,080 banned. He was never tested and he 86 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:14,720 received a four year sanction. Alex has technically admitted 87 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,920 that she has used a banned substance. 88 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,880 I think on Sivan's podcast, she said that she used one that had 89 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:26,920 two milligrams of THC in it. You know, at the time of writing 90 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,520 this, I didn't know if she may have had a therapeutic use 91 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,120 exemption. Not sure. 92 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,120 And we don't know what her drug results to her drug test come 93 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:45,360 has come back at the comments immediately go to well, why is 94 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,280 THC even being a banned substance? 95 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,000 You guys are missing the point. It doesn't I don't care about 96 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,800 that right? Like unfortunately the rules are 97 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,720 the rules and I'm saying that the rules state that Alex should 98 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:04,080 not have taken it and she knows this right? 99 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:10,000 Like if we go to, let's see, when she was talking to Sivan on 100 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:16,480 the phone today, here it is. She says this. 101 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,600 They're literally like CBD with my godos THC and it's allowed 102 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,640 out of competition. Like in the rules, you're 103 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,000 allowed to have THC out of competition for the games. 104 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,000 Oh, you. Are OK, but you're good, Yeah. 105 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,559 So you're you're allowed. To outside of the. 106 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,240 Games and then the only situation is like in 107 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,200 competition, you're not supposed to have THC. 108 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,240 And so like the games and all that, like I don't take them, 109 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:41,720 but it's like I said it's micro dose. 110 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,120 And so I kind of forgot and I took 1 and I was freaking out 111 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,920 and before the drug testing I went and asked Will and I was 112 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,640 like, hey, like should I be worried? 113 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,640 Like it's I think it's like 2 milligrams of THD for the one 114 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,440 gummy. And he's like, no, you're like 115 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,480 you're fine. Like I took that out of the in 116 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,880 person or in person section 'cause if you're allowed to all 117 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,600 the time, like it doesn't make a difference. 118 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,000 I can guarantee you it did not enhance my performance. 119 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,880 If anything it fucked me up. Yeah, OK, good all. 120 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,120 Right. Hey. 121 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,480 So, I mean, I don't know, I'm more just nervous now. 122 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,120 Everyone. People are trolls on the 123 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,320 Internet, so this is about to probably be fun. 124 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:21,360 Yeah, it will. It'll be fun. 125 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,240 Enjoy it. I'm glad you enjoy. 126 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,720 So Jake, I see you're in the comments. 127 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,560 I think the performance in drugs is a lot different than a sleepy 128 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:32,000 gummy. I completely agree. 129 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:38,040 And again, my whole point of this is not to say that I agree 130 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,480 with what is being banned and not banned. 131 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,160 Like personally, it's probably doesn't need to be part of it, 132 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,520 right? Like things have changed. 133 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:50,000 I don't know what is reasoning for saying that you cannot take 134 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,480 it during a competition, right? Like why can you not take it 135 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,280 during a competition, but you can take it a week prior to. 136 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,640 So I, I, I'm not trying to argue that. 137 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:09,000 I'm not even trying to say like that the WFP should sanction 138 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,440 Alex. My biggest concern is what she 139 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:20,880 said that Will told her and that is I've nixed that from in 140 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:27,320 competition testing. I just showed you in the rule 141 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:34,000 book that you can click on right now, it says that cannabinoids 142 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,440 are not to be used during competition in the World Fitness 143 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:44,240 Projects rule book. Anybody outside of Alex Kazan 144 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,040 would not have information like this. 145 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,560 And so if you think about let's let's take a different scenario. 146 00:10:54,840 --> 00:11:01,240 Let's say that Brooke Wells was doing a podcast and she said 147 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:08,360 that she took some THC and she was freaking out because she had 148 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,680 a drug test and she asked Dave about it. 149 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,760 And Dave said, Dave Castro said, don't don't worry, you're fine. 150 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,280 I'm taking it out. Everybody would lose their 151 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,760 freaking mind. Everybody they'd say it's 152 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,920 rigged. Dave Castro's protecting the 153 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,400 people he likes. This is, you know, it's just 154 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:34,960 CrossFit being CrossFit now. There's a few people out there, 155 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,960 but a lot of people are just attacking. 156 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,680 Why is THC even being an issue? They're not missing. 157 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:47,680 They're missing the point of a director of sport just said 158 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,120 that. Don't worry, I've changed the 159 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,360 rules without changing the rules. 160 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:08,960 Like that's a problem right? I I the Seth D Am I on her side 161 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,440 or is this more aimed at WFP and Will? 162 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,640 I'm not trying to take a side on this. 163 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,560 I'm trying to point out the issues that are in the comment 164 00:12:18,560 --> 00:12:24,640 section, right. And I think it also indicates 165 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,280 like we've seen CrossFit in the past. 166 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:33,880 I wrote about it last year. This Marcia Van Gladden CrossFit 167 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:40,040 has the ability to sanction an athlete who has been it's under 168 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,760 a sanction by another governing body. 169 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,000 In a marsh's case last year it was a a masters competition in 170 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:53,640 2021, weightlifting and she CrossFit saw my article and they 171 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,040 ended up giving giving her the sanction and she could not 172 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,080 compete at the CrossFit Games in the masters division. 173 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:09,480 So the question is, does CrossFit do anything right? 174 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:14,440 Does does does admission of taking something you're not 175 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,480 supposed to be when competing in a competition that's not 176 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:24,240 CrossFit Games related? Does CrossFit have the right, 177 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,520 the obligation to follow its rule book? 178 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:36,960 It says may like does that matter right, if WFP ends up 179 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,720 sanctioning Alex because maybe her, her, her test comes back 180 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,160 higher than what it should and they're not going to listen to 181 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,080 what will said, but it what the rules say. 182 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,040 It's a little bit more clear cut. 183 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,040 Like my guess is CrossFit follows that. 184 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:57,440 But if not, what does CrossFit do right? 185 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,200 How do you handle a situation that's in my opinion, pretty 186 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,960 Gray of it's not a CrossFit Games competition. 187 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,560 She just said she took it. We don't have a test at this 188 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:12,080 point if, if World Fitness Project doesn't report it 189 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,800 because Will decided to not follow what's in the rule book, 190 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:29,960 what does CrossFit do right? And you still have a situation 191 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:35,040 where World Fitness Project is and Will made a comment to an 192 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,200 athlete that is in contrast to what they have written. 193 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:50,800 So here we go Alex. I think it's important that not 194 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,640 to note that this was not a special word for me. 195 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,840 They have had this in policy since working with drug free 196 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,880 sport in March. I see the frustration of the 197 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:03,840 rule book not being updated right. 198 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:12,960 So if I'm Colton Merton's or I'm whoever else, maybe not a pro 199 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,880 athlete, I don't know, maybe this is communicated to the pro 200 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:21,080 athletes and not others. And I and I, I need sleep and I 201 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,880 need to take THC, but I don't because it's in the rule book on 202 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:31,600 those three days. How do you manage that, right? 203 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,800 Like, how do you, what do you do about that? 204 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,160 Riley? I'm going to take down the WFP. 205 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,440 First of all, everything's forgotten about in a week. 206 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,600 Everything. But when people are in the 207 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,760 comments and they are arguing about whether THC should or 208 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,400 should not be banned, you guys are missing the point. 209 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:58,320 And so I figured I'd go alive and explain why I wrote it. 210 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,800 It wasn't a slow Newsday, right? Like these are things that you 211 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,000 need to talk about if you want to be a professional sport. 212 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,800 How does WFP handle it? If one thing was said but the 213 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,680 rule book says another, how do you handle it? 214 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,520 What are you going to do? What is CrossFit going to do 215 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:25,320 given that one of their top athletes is in this situation? 216 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:37,280 So, you know, that is what I want to jump on here for. 217 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,120 Jeff. Yes, there is a rule book out 218 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,040 there. Go to the website. 219 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:48,680 It's out there. Jessica, this will fall on will 220 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:49,280 not. Alex. 221 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,960 Again, I don't know how, I don't know what what's been discussed 222 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,120 outside of what is actually been officially published. 223 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,960 So we'll have to wait and see. I don't know what World Fitness 224 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:03,480 Project will do. Will is not responded to a text 225 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,040 last week about joining the podcast last night. 226 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:08,400 I don't think they have any interest in talking. 227 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:13,480 But anyway, that is what is going on with it. 228 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,359 That is why I wanted to make the story. 229 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:21,160 It's looking at the situation of what was said and how that could 230 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,280 have an impact to everybody involved. 231 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,359 I have no idea shiz what the CBD brand is. 232 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:39,080 So that's it guys. He communicated the same rule to 233 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,160 all the athletes. The only issue is the rule book 234 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,680 wasn't updated but all the athletes were aware so who 235 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,280 cares. I don't know if that's true. 236 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:51,360 Riley. Alex was concerned up into the 237 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:54,800 drug test on Sunday. She had forgotten that she had 238 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,200 taken it, so that would not be the case. 239 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,000 Tyler. No call or text. 240 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,960 Rude. You can jump on it anytime, 241 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,360 Tyler. But you have the link. 242 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:15,880 All right? I don't know. 243 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:23,000 Anyway, that is all I got. Go check out the the article. 244 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,480 Read it. I think I've pretty much 245 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,160 outlined it. I think a lot of people who did 246 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,120 comment on it did not actually read the article. 247 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:37,280 So do that and then go back and comment and see if I was unfair 248 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:42,800 to Alex or anybody else. I apologize to absolutely 249 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:43,400 nobody.