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Tyler can't connect, so we're 
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Yours is better than Tyler, so. 
Yeah, much better. 

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So maybe he'll join. 
Maybe not. 

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Good evening, everybody. 
Welcome to the Spin run down. 

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It is November 1st. 
We're back to regularly 

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scheduled programming and we 
have a special guest, the 2023 

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Rogue Invitational Champion Pat 
Velner. 

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How's it going? 
Not too bad, I'm on holidays 

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now. 
Yeah, you you said you were 

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going to a cabin. 
You this planned I guess ahead 

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of time that go do rogue and 
then take some time. 

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Off it was, but it always feels 
nicer when you win. 

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You go on holidays, you don't 
have anything hanging over your 

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head, so it's it's nice. 
That's awesome. 

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Yeah. 
Great weekend at Rogue without, 

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you know, a little bit of ups 
and downs as, as we saw weather 

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was a big play in that, right? 
Like delays changes to what was 

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maybe communicated at one point.
How did you navigate that 

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personally and kind of what was 
the atmosphere as things just 

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kept on changing throughout the 
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You know, I you try to just roll
with it. 

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I think in general it was 
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that, for the athletes, for the 
rogue team, like nobody wants to

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be having to pivot and go to 
Plan D Like it's just it sucks. 

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And I think everybody, all 
things considered, would have 

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preferred to just do everything 
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was written and and execute the 
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be. 
So you know, I I look at all the

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changes that we made and I feel 
like I'm glad the weekend turned

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out the way it did because it's 
feels like every change that got

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made kind of made the workouts 
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time. 
So that's like a little bit 

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annoying. 
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can't really worry too much 
about that stuff. 

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It's it's fine. 
You just have to go out and do 

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it. 
But we were shocked a few times.

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I mean the the Saturday ran 
quite late and we were like we 

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were ready to be going home or 
more deadlifting there. 

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So there was a lot of a lot of 
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Same within the duel, just those
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everybody on the field for a 
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to leave even if you're done. 
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fuck man, it's it's 9:30 PM like
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Chandler lift again and and ever
again? 

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Meanwhile, Chandler's like, let 
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Yeah, you gotta be kidding me, 
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But we. 
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frankly, I was surprised we did 
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the modifications, just having a
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gets slippery on the handles. 
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the women went out there, we 
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watching in the back, like maybe
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like if it's when we were in the
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like it was only picking up 
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And then it's hard once you get 
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scores like you kind of that 
you've made your bed, like you 

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got to do it, everybody's got to
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division. 
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another pivot for the men and we
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But it went as planned and it it
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The the the second heat of women
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Of it, it was. 
Rounding when they went out and 

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you know it's it's like those 
things are annoying when you're 

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in the warm up area and you 
forget all about it. 

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Once you get on the floor you 
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You do it. 
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bike and you when you started 
the fan, it just sprayed all 

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over your face and the blades 
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So you know it little things all
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everybody has those little 
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can't worry too much about it. 
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rolling forward. 
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on thinking about is, you know, 
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heat has something that they 
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just obviously ruin everything. 
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the toughest part for for the 
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out do we pause something? 
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good weather now because it 
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I think that's the thing that 
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as the weekend went on. 
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hate it, but like they made 
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and they just went and did it 
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Friday that pushed the day back.
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short day. 
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4:00 PM or something like that. 
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like 7 or 8 because they delayed
to see if the rain would quit 

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for the monkey bar workout and 
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delays and checking weather 
report and weather and weather 

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and weather and weather. 
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day only had two events. 
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and you got strongman events to 
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stuff, the schedule can't just 
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something's got to happen, right
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or something. 
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planned. 
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like the duel was a good 
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They took the road, climb out 
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and then by the time we did that
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would have been, would have 
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Fine at all. 
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I think they couldn't take the 
risk because on Saturday the 

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strong men had to compete a 
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one event from the day before 
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and they had to finish all their
stuff and and we had to pack 3IN

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and then get three in the next 
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So there just wasn't room in the
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hour if they're if the rain 
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So they just said if we take the
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it and then that's what they 
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decisions like that and they 
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the end they kind of they ended 
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It was like we were kind of 
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thinking surely something might 
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through with whatever they they 
committed to and and it was fun.

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I think given the conditions 
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incredible what we were able to 
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So it's pretty awesome and in 
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of those things and it was 
pretty rad doing that work under

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the rain and there's some cool 
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opportunities to do things like 
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But I would I'm. 
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that than a fan in the stands. 
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Was the best part was just 
watching how y'all went down the

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hill, Roman celebrating and then
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which is which was hilarious. 
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so it didn't matter. 
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What? 
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His slide was so ineffective and
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really effective. 
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slide at all? 
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So and here's the thing I you 
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actually like it. 
It chews your legs up a bit to 

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run down the hill. 
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the hill in the next workout. 
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data gathering to be like how 
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in the shoes I was wearing like 
with like what's the traction 

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like going down? 
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actually free flow down like you
would normally or do you have to

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be really, really careful? 
And I was like I was able to run

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down it fine. 
I was in that workout, your legs

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were tired at that point. 
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the hill. 
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having some hill in that big cat
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it for that and then they took 
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So it was, you know, it was 
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Chandler Slide was the best one,
though there's a video of that 

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that's just. 
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I can't imagine doing that in 
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The females, the females did not
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I don't. 
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women tried to. 
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tried to. 
Laura slid down and then Emma 

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Lawson tried to slide down and 
just got halted and then like 

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got back up and tried to run. 
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1st girl slid and it worked and 
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didn't work. 
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really fast. 
It was really, really funny. 

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We're not better at it, We're 
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And yeah, the woman had left 
less clothing on, so it probably

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wasn't as aerodynamic and 
slippery. 

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You mentioned the dual, like, 
one of the things is, you know, 

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top five, gotta buy. 
I think there's been a lot of 

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chat about whether the buy was 
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Like, yeah, you get guaranteed 
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with the other athletes that did
make it through having some more

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experience on kind of the best 
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under the log and doing the 
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Do you kind of what what is your
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Would you rather have the buy 
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get one more shot at, you know 
what everybody else has seen it 

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for the first time. 
No, it's really obviously not an

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advantage. 
It's actually really obviously a

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disadvantage. 
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done well on the three 
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feedback every year on it. 
The first year having a 2O5 

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squat snatch triple that you 
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by the time that that first heat
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year, this year and the year 
before, we got to be the first 

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heat in the second round. 
In the other years we were still

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the last heat. 
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heats to go plus the 
recalculation of times and then 

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you finally went and you all 
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And in that first year they 
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stay warm with. 
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205 snatch squat snatch after 
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And so everybody just got like I
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advance that year it was like 
and then the next heat that they

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went they all said it was way 
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And then the other disadvantage 
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the five slowest people. 
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ease into it a little gentler 
because there's five slower guys

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that are going to get out but 
now you're only racing the 10 

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best guys and then you get put 
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So there's less room for error 
because everybody that's left is

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better and they have a practice 
run on you. 

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So but the first year the 
movements they picked were were 

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not great for that buy. 
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because they were more, you 
know, it was lighter weight, it 

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was the loading was more 
appropriate for having to sit 

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for a long time. 
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obviously people just sprinting 
through 10 overhead squats, 

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pumping them super fast. 
It's hard to track hip extension

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and those things and you get one
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So I think those style of 
workouts to me work best for one

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if they're the last event of the
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So if even if you go five times 
there's no disadvantage for the 

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next event or. 
And also that you have movements

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that are really objective to 
judge like stuff like burpee box

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jump overs, like the rope climbs
that they've done where it's 

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pretty clear if you touch the 
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are really great. 
So this year's iteration even as

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it was written was really nice 
over under, over the log, like 

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there's no way to get an O Rep 
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Do you touch the beam do you not
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you get the three bags in the 
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Like it's if there is no 
judgement call. 

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So that's what's really nice 
actually about the iteration 

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they had this year. 
I think they took feedback from 

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the following two years and 
actually made a a better version

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but you got to be selective with
the movements you pick. 

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It's it's really hard because a 
judgment call can just trash you

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and the buy is not awesome. 
It's a it's a long time sitting 

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and it's stressful like you're 
never more stressed than you 

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like. 
You watch that first three heats

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go and then we went out and 
you're like, yeah, and I you you

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have one shot to try to be good 
again after sitting for a long 

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time and you're racing the best 
and then you get to watch. 

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This year we got to watch the 
other guys go. 

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So I fortunately won their heat.
So I knew I only had to beat one

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other guy and I was in, which 
was like, I thought that might 

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be fine. 
But we weren't fast. 

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Like we weren't the best seat, 
that's for sure. 

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Yeah, what was the story with 
the box and touching the box? 

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Like was that actually a 
requirement or? 

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So no, the way that what had 
happened was the reason we were 

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delayed so much is they, you 
know, they took the rope climbs 

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out to make sure they wouldn't 
have a rain delay. 

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But then they had a it's a 
technology delay like the chip 

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timers were not working. 
And then like there was some 

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issue with synchronicity and 
something. 

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So the women actually went down 
and took the field and were 

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ready to go and they brought 
them all the way back up to the 

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warm up area after like 30 
minutes. 

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And then when we saw them come 
back up, we were like great, 

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we're not going forever. 
And they they fixed that. 

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So when we went down they told 
us hey we had problems with this

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leading up to the event as a 
fail safe. 

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Right now they're working. 
But what we want you to do is we

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want you to touch the box when 
you cross the line as well. 

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And they're going to clock time 
when they see your hand touch 

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the box. 
So if your chip fails, they had,

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I think they had three or two or
three different people clock 

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timing each lane so that if if 
the chip failed they would take 

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the average of those 3 clock 
times and that would be your 

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score. 
So it was a pretty good, it was 

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a pretty good fail safe, but it 
was. 

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That's why like Hopper in the 
first heat didn't touch his 

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blocks and he's lucky as Chip 
worked. 

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Yeah, that was. 
Right, but. 

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It wasn't. 
Clear. 

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It seemed like he was not going 
to get a time like we didn't 

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know until. 
Yeah so we we had been told like

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your chip timer should work 
touch the thing because if it 

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doesn't work for any reason, 
your score is going to be when 

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you touch the block. 
But that wasn't like that wasn't

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your absolute score. 
If it was still chip timed got. 

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It got it. 
And then I think what everybody 

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kind of wants to hear is get to 
the final event. 

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You have a 65 point lead and 
then you get to that last clean 

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and jerk, right? 
And very similar to what 

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happened last year, like what is
going through your mind when 

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you're inches from locking out 
and the bar falls down and you 

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have to get get that thing back 
up quickly? 

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I've got lots of time. 
I had 65 points in hand. 

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I don't. 
I don't have to worry about. 

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It yeah. 
It's it's not like last year I 

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I. 
Know. 

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Well, I think people I 
understand and and it was 

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annoying to me mostly because I 
was like, oh, it's it's 

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literally like it's the same Rep
it's a queen and jerk at 2:25. 

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And to me that just like, I'm 
like, oh, it looks like I just 

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like you. 
Haven't done anything for a 

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year. 
But the reality of it is like 

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Sunday. 
I was in a good position going 

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into Sunday and I played the 
game on Sunday. 

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I'm not, I'm frankly not super 
proud of the way I competed on 

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Sunday because the first event, 
I mean I pushed it pretty hard 

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at the end to try to close the 
gap on the bike and I I that was

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fine. 
I I'm probably started a bit 

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faster than I needed to in that 
one and stumbled a bit on the 

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cleaning jerks on the way back 
but have the ground overhead. 

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Second event I straight up just 
stood by Jeff for the whole 

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workout and then the last one 
was like, you have a lot of 

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time. 
It's a fast workout so you don't

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have time to fool around. 
But the way I was going at the 

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clean and jerk in the end, I did
my first three and it's like 

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they're getting heavy and I 
didn't want to sit there and 

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like walk across the line and 
like, I feel like that just 

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looks bad. 
So I still tried to push it on 

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the last few reps and when I 
missed the one, it was like it 

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was just like a bad launch. 
And I just thought, OK, like 

306
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don't panic because you have 
time, but you have time to hit 

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the next one. 
I probably could have missed one

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more and still hit one and and 
still one but you don't want to 

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you you can't panic, like you 
can't stop swinging to bat 

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right. 
Like I think like you miss one 

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and it's like great it's still a
225 cleaning jerk. 

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Like it doesn't. 
If you start freaking out after 

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you miss one now you're in 
trouble. 

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But I just like took a second. 
I'm like, yeah, you're fine, 

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like do it. 
I would have rather a like 420 

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something score I would have got
than like a 440 but like it's 

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fine. 
So it would have been it would 

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have been a cleaner. 
It would have been a cleaner. 

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Redemption run is what I wanted 
if I didn't miss the last one. 

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But it's a bit shitty to miss 
the last Rep of the competition.

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What? 
Hey man wins a win. 

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That's true, John. 
I said he was just trying to 

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give Jeff false hope. 
Well, he was. 

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I think Jeff was trying to root 
on Hopper down the down there, 

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trying to get you Hopper. 
Wasn't helping him out. 

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And I think he was trying to get
Brent across and so that we 

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could get that 3 Canadian 
podium, we get I. 

328
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Know it's so close. 
Crap about that again. 

329
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I mean, he was probably pretty 
hurting. 

330
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I'm not giving Brent shit about 
that. 

331
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Are you kidding? 
That's like he's he's dealing 

332
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with enough, I think the 
Universalism one at this point 

333
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in his career. 
But yeah, it's yeah, I mean it 

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was a good the way the event 
kind of went is I was really 

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good on Friday and Saturday and 
and Jeff was really good on on 

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Thursday and Sunday. 
And so there was more events on 

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Friday and Saturday than there 
were on Thursday and Sunday. 

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Yeah, so I got the win. 
That's kind of how it went. 

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So your your tickets, time with 
the family, fewer months? 

340
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Are you going back to Water 
Palooza this year? 

341
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Yeah, I'll be there this year. 
Are you is the is Team PB and J 

342
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coming back or you got different
plans? 

343
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We have to wait and see. 
All right, all right. 

344
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What's that I'm going to do both
divisions again this year and 

345
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we'll be, I'm off in the UK 
there in December for a little 

346
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bit. 
So we got a few things coming 

347
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up. 
Trying to enjoy some downtime 

348
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while I can and just I'm beat 
up. 

349
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Seems a big weekend. 
How are the? 

350
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Hands Both How are the hands 
and? 

351
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There are like, they're a bit, 
you know, they get cracked. 

352
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They're a bit like that. 
Right now they're sore. 

353
00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:10,119
I feel like that deadlift bar is
when you have to do like when 

354
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you have to do like 15 lifts, 
It's not very forgiving. 

355
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So everybody's hands were even 
pretty sore after that. 

356
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The monkey bars and the deadlift
bar and those 120 snatches in 

357
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the humidity too. 
I feel like that shredded my 

358
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pinkies up a little bit. 
They took a kick and I think I 

359
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have like 7 blisters by the end 
of the. 

360
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Weekend better or worse than the
games? 

361
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Different like the fingers is 
different like I have the big 

362
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ones like right at the bottom of
your hand. 

363
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So like, when you're gripping A 
barbell, it sucks. 

364
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But and the pinkies, like, I 
can't close my hand really, even

365
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on the left, on the right side. 
But it's just, I don't know, I I

366
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feel like it was good experience
at the games when I had them 

367
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this weekend. 
I just thought, you know, like, 

368
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you know what, You know what to 
do. 

369
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You've been through this before.
It's fun. 

370
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So yeah, it was. 
Yeah. 

371
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And we, we had Kotler on Friday 
night and he had mentioned that 

372
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you guys are going to use the 
deadlift aggro bar. 

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And I was like, yeah, that 
thing's going to be tearing into

374
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your hands, especially after we 
thought a rope climb too. 

375
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Like that was going to be a lot.
But the rope was, I think, saved

376
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you guys. 
A lot. 

377
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I mean, this is the thing, 
everybody, because of the 

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weather on the monkey bars, 
Like, I bet you after the log 

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muscle up and the monkey bar 
workout, we had probably 60% of 

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the field had ripped hands. 
Like, like, it was just like, it

381
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wasn't just you, right? 
Like, you can sit there and be 

382
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like, oh, my hands hurt, but 
like, so does everybody. 

383
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It's like everybody's hands were
taped up. 

384
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You're trying to figure out a 
way to grip that deadlift bar 

385
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and not, like, feel it really 
bad. 

386
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So it was the deadlift bar hurt.
That was like for like an hour 

387
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and a half, just going in and 
sinking your hands into that bar

388
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one after another. 
It was, yeah. 

389
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It was a good time. 
Not so much. 

390
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Day at least, which was nice. 
Well, I appreciate you jumping 

391
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on, man. 
I don't want to take too much 

392
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time out of your holiday with 
the family, so go enjoy the rest

393
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of the evening with the family 
and we'll see you at Water 

394
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Palooza. 
Yeah. 

395
00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:05,000
Thanks so much. 
See you guys out. 

396
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There. 
All right. 

397
00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:06,040
See you, Pat. 
Thanks. 

398
00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:12,120
Pat later. 
Am I going to work? 

399
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I think so. 
I think so. 

400
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OK. 
Man. 

401
00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:17,560
Let me see like. 
A month. 

402
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,800
This is better. 
This is weird because I'm having

403
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to like, do it off my phone. 
Let me try this. 

404
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So I'm looking a little bit 
closer to where you guys are. 

405
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That'll work. 
Sorry. 

406
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,280
So. 
So you're a married man. 

407
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,880
Yep, got married. 
We missed you this weekend. 

408
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,120
Yeah, I was supposed to come on 
and things got away from me. 

409
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I think you and a couple other 
people were like, hey man, I 

410
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wouldn't plan anything. 
And then I went ahead and did 

411
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it. 
And then I realized I was going 

412
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to have time for nothing. 
So anyway. 

413
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,760
Not the best idea, but that's 
fine. 

414
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,240
Yeah, well, welcome back. 
How much of the Rogue did you 

415
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get to watch? 
I watched the first event and 

416
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then I watched the last event 
and between, I guess between 

417
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events on Sunday, I watched the 
muscle up one. 

418
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,880
Yeah. 
And I've tried to catch up but 

419
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it's been it's been an all out 
Sprint since I've been back. 

420
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,240
Well, I'm glad you're back 
because you did calculate the P 

421
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score, and I think people might 
be interested to see how 

422
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performance score, performance 
scoring, you know how that 

423
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looked at Rogue. 
So before I pull it up, what 

424
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what were you surprised by or 
what's kind of the major 

425
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headline? 
On I mean scoring. 

426
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I think everybody's like score. 
On the P score, yeah. 

427
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,160
So John, you don't have any 
context going in to what we're 

428
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going to see. 
So what do you think you would 

429
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see if you if your performance 
scored it? 

430
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,320
I think Laura would probably be 
higher than A5 point gap. 

431
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,800
Yeah, I think she would win more
easily. 

432
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:09,920
And that's that's exactly what 
we saw, which I mean like 

433
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thanks. 
I think that that does the dual 

434
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,920
skew that at all, though I don't
know how you score that one. 

435
00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:22,720
So the dual was the only one I 
couldn't rescore and my like my 

436
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philosophy on that one is it's 
like an execution based workout.

437
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So if you like, you slip like 
it's more based on placement 

438
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anyway. 
Like is it? 

439
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,360
It's not really tied to your to 
your actual performance. 

440
00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:36,920
Like if you mess up like you, 
there's no, there's no 

441
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forgiveness there, so. 
Did you just give them the 

442
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points that they scored then in 
that one? 

443
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,760
Yeah, yeah. 
So everything everything is 

444
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different except for that work 
out. 

445
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For the men, I assume the men 
would be pretty as is. 

446
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,640
Yeah, it was mostly as is. 
Unless you saw something I 

447
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didn't see you spin. 
I'm gonna pull it up right now. 

448
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,040
Yeah. 
I'm gonna pull it up here on the

449
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,640
screen real quick while I do 
that. 

450
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,920
Tyler people are they were 
watching last year following 

451
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,800
along they had Z score. 
So what? 

452
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,840
What is the difference between Z
score and P score? 

453
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:15,600
So ZZ score, the reps, the 
seconds, they're all different 

454
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,440
on a point scale and that made 
people not be able to understand

455
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,520
it very well. 
And so P scores linear. 

456
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,760
I take the top score and the 
middle score and I say there's 

457
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,120
fifty points between there, and 
then based on that spread, it's 

458
00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:31,320
50 points down to the bottom of 
the same distance. 

459
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,160
So it's like if your best scores
2 minutes and your your average 

460
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,440
time essentially is 4 minutes, 
that's a 2 minute window and 

461
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:43,040
then 4 minutes to six when it's 
6 minutes is the 50 to 0 window.

462
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,640
So you have a 4 minute window on
the entire scored points of the 

463
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,280
workout. 
So that that that's what. 

464
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,920
You can score 0 points if you 
have a time because you're 

465
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,080
beyond the 6 minute time window 
of what the. 

466
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,360
If you're too far below the 
average, you can get zero. 

467
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,080
Right. 
And that's what happened at 

468
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,080
Crucible, right? 
Crash. 

469
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,600
So the only thing I'll I did 
different. 

470
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,080
I I wanted to try out this time 
what would happen if we scored 

471
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:19,480
it where like half half the 50 
percentile mark to this to the 

472
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,240
last person was a different line
than 50th to the best. 

473
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,080
Does that make sense? 
So that it's it's technically 

474
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,920
two different slopes and I did 
that just to just to see how it 

475
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,280
would play out and it was 
essentially there was no 

476
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,360
difference between me scoring it
with the aggressive P score 

477
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:37,880
where you could go negative and 
and this. 

478
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:42,760
So it worked out well. 
Yeah, so if you can see on here 

479
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,320
Laura Horvath, Originally if you
look at the rogue scoring had 

480
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,080
780 points. 
Tia Claire Toomey or had 770. 

481
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,760
Laura however, keeps about the 
same number of points, but Tia's

482
00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:01,720
drops down to 723, so it's 
almost a 60 point gap using P 

483
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,960
score. 
What was the main culprit on 

484
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,800
that? 
What I saw was event I I 

485
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,560
originally told, I think Brian 
Friend, that it was event 6 or 

486
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,120
no event. 
There was one. 

487
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,760
OK yeah, event 4. 
So what was event 4? 

488
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:27,800
Event 4 that was oh man, I've. 
Well, anyway, she actually, she 

489
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,120
actually made a few points on 
that one. 

490
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,560
Instead of the 65 point 
difference, it was 60. 

491
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,680
Oh, 10th inning, yeah. 
Yeah, but essentially like 

492
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:44,600
anytime Laura was ahead, she 
never, she never felt like that 

493
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,960
far behind Tia, or anytime Tia 
was ahead, she never fought, 

494
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,520
fell that far behind Tia. 
But Tia had some huge slips, 

495
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:56,120
number one being event four and 
then the other and see, it's 

496
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,560
like it's tough because it's. 
Even different, you're saying TA

497
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,320
lost ground on event 4? 
Now TA gained like five points 

498
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:09,280
of ground on event. 4. 
But then, like, it's just hard 

499
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:14,040
because like, anytime Laura lost
points, she just didn't lose 

500
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,640
hardly any. 
Like in event six, it was 

501
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,480
straight across, like 90 and 90.
She didn't lose any points on 

502
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,680
that. 
But then event 6, Tia lost 10 

503
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,400
points, 85 and and 10. 
It's like you do that across a 

504
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,720
couple events and it's just like
you're gonna you're gonna lose 

505
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,960
60 points fast. 
Yeah, I mean that's that's where

506
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:38,520
just because you like lose, you 
still can actually improve 

507
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,240
against the other person because
you may get more points than the

508
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,400
the rogue scoring 'cause you 
right you you. 

509
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,960
That gap was closer than maybe 
you thought it would be 

510
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,120
otherwise, actually. 
Looking at it, go ahead, A. 

511
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:53,040
Little bit. 
Tell people about a little bit. 

512
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,720
For instance, if you look at 
Danielle Brandon, she's, I think

513
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,960
the highest jumper here. 
Yeah, from 7th to 5th. 

514
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,640
That's because of her handstand 
walking event. 

515
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,600
She's so far ahead of 2nd place.
I mean she gets 100 points and 

516
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,960
2nd place would get like 85 
points where most of the time 

517
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,040
first place gets 100 points and 
2nd place would get like 97 

518
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,320
points because they're not that 
far behind. 

519
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,840
But see if you can create your 
first place has a huge gap, then

520
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,560
second place would be like 85, 
third place would be 83 and then

521
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,280
it keeps on going down there. 
So she makes up ground. 

522
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,880
Like a lot more ground than a 
normal event win would be. 

523
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,720
And actually, looking at it now,
Tia lost twenty additional 

524
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,480
points when you pee score it on 
event 9, so in. 

525
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,640
Is it such a short race? 
Right. 

526
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,720
It's such a short race. 
So in the original scoring she 

527
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,360
would have got 90 points and 
then P scoring, she got almost 

528
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:53,640
70 points, 71. 
So it's like, yeah, she she made

529
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:58,120
a huge loss on that, but it's 
like Laura was so far ahead of 

530
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:01,280
everyone. 
Yeah, yeah. 

531
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,360
I mean, when Laura was good, she
was really good. 

532
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,720
Yeah. 
But it's a it's surprising, 

533
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,000
'cause it's like that's a 
workout you think Tia would do 

534
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,640
well at. 
I'm wondering if she got some no

535
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,160
reps or or something like that 
that slowed her down. 

536
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,960
She missed. 
She missed one Rep. 

537
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,760
Yeah. 
But she kind of slowed down 

538
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,400
whenever she knew it was gone. 
It was over, yeah. 

539
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:27,200
On the men's side, we would have
a different podium. 

540
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,640
We would have the Canadian trio.
Oh. 

541
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,760
We would have brought this up 
with Pat. 

542
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,200
Like while he was here. 
Yeah, you. 

543
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,960
Knew that ahead of time. 
You should have said that. 

544
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,400
Brian I wasn't thinking about 
it. 

545
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,320
It's alright, but I need to. 
I need to get. 

546
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,600
Make it on the show. 
I need to get him off, get him, 

547
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,000
get him back to his family. 
But yeah, I mean, Brent would 

548
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,600
have moved up. 
I don't think there's. 

549
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,640
I mean, Jay Crouch. 
He's still really close. 

550
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,120
Yeah, Jay Crouch makes the 
biggest jump. 

551
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaking of Jay Crouch, can 
anybody guess his age in the 

552
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,040
comments? 
I think I know. 

553
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,320
In the comments, Tyler. 
In the comments, how old do we 

554
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,400
think that Jay Crouch is? 
'Cause I did not think he was. 

555
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,280
His age, he was that young or 
that old I. 

556
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,480
Think Kathy's from Australia. 
She might know. 

557
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,840
Yeah, If I if I'm going to put 
money on anybody guessing it's 

558
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,920
going to be Kathy. 
Every. 

559
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,720
But is this 23? 
Come on, no. 

560
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,360
Nobody guessed 23. 
So you're. 

561
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:33,800
You're wrong. 
Yeah, 2424. 

562
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,680
Jay is 24 years old. 
He's been in the sport for 

563
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,480
basically ever. 
I I didn't have it. 

564
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,200
I had no idea he was that young.
And so I think about his 

565
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,120
trajectory and his improvement. 
Like I was thinking it was more 

566
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:59,120
like 2728 and it was after 3030 
place, 30th place performances 

567
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,320
the last couple years. 
It's like, yeah, he's not going 

568
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,840
to improve anymore, but the guy 
was only 2122. 23 So Young. 

569
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,600
Like the guy has so much room 
and his deadlift was great. 

570
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,080
Like he's stronger than you 
think he is. 

571
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:17,000
And I think my body changed the 
most between like 23 to like 28,

572
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,240
no way. 
I didn't like, yeah, 14 and 15 

573
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,520
like it does you grow and. 
You get no way. 

574
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,320
You get, you get like you get 
stronger and stuff, but it like 

575
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,480
you're still weak. 
But then like between 20, I 

576
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,360
would say 23 and 28, that's when
like you start to get like I 

577
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,960
think you guys were talking 
about this on the show. 

578
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,640
Like your trunk starts to grow 
like you just start to thicken 

579
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,880
up, like you start to get actual
mature muscle. 

580
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,960
And so it's like Jay still has 
all that to go through. 

581
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,080
Well, we, we can't put too much 
on that, 'cause they all thought

582
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,080
that Hoffer was going to do 
terrible and in that event and 

583
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,720
then he comes out and crushes 
it, so, right. 

584
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,040
But no, I mean, you're right, 
like he has. 

585
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,800
I think he has a lot of room to 
continue to grow. 

586
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:06,480
And I I personally, I think he 
has a better chance of 

587
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,240
continuing to climb up the 
leaderboard than I thought he 

588
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,080
did, just without that fact. 
Good of a chance because I don't

589
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,440
see it. 
You don't see it like you. 

590
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,880
You think this was like a A1 
year flash in the pan. 

591
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,640
He's going to be back in the 15 
because he. 

592
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,320
Did good at the games too, 
right? 

593
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,440
Yeah. 
Yeah, I think he's like a 

594
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,920
Yonukowski. 
He's just a consistent perennial

595
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,000
athlete that just kind of. 
Yeah and I like, I think he'll 

596
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,320
he'll he can improve he is 
improving but like I think like 

597
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,280
you know 6th or 5th is like the 
top that the Super Saiyan J crap

598
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,320
I don't see I don't see the 
qualities that can of a winner 

599
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,840
go past that. 
I don't think I disagree. 

600
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,960
I could see him. 
I could see him push for top 

601
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,760
five like a. 
Yonukowski Like I I genuinely 

602
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:58,560
see. 
That's what I see. 

603
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,760
I see a Yonukowski. 
It's not a bad career, but no, 

604
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,720
no it's not. 
But we're talking about 

605
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:11,560
continuing to improve. 
Like, I think we all can agree, 

606
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,200
like Hopper could eventually get
to the podium. 

607
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,680
What did you have him at? 
Alan Pepper could eventually go 

608
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,080
to the get to the podium. 
I mean, I know some of you guys 

609
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,800
think they can win. 
I don't think they can win, but 

610
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,000
I could see that in the future, 
right? 

611
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,360
Ricky could eventually win. 
Like we could see. 

612
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,440
You know what I'm saying? 
There's a there's a difference. 

613
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,680
I don't see that in Jay Crouch 
and like my opinion could 

614
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,320
change, but I don't. 
I don't see. 

615
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,360
It I want to see what he does 
next year to before saying that 

616
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,840
he could be on the podium, but I
definitely think he has a top 

617
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,280
five. 10th next year. 
We'll see. 

618
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,800
I mean if he improves on that 
and gets his 5th or 6th, I think

619
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,840
he has that ability to maybe 
keep moving up. 

620
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,160
But we got to see that year over
year progression. 

621
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,280
So him getting so like this is 
the way I like to use P score 

622
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,480
is. 
It kind of implicates that he 

623
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,880
has the ability to be like 6th 
in this field, but what are we 

624
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,520
missing? 
We're missing like some weird 

625
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,280
swim event or some weird like 
test like that. 

626
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,680
We're missing like, what are you
talking about? 

627
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,120
Well. 
He has. 

628
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,200
He probably has more home run 
ability. 

629
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,280
In the In the games, yeah. 
Yeah. 

630
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,520
For what? 
Well, this is showing. 

631
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,840
This is showing that he's he's 
up, he's up, he's outperforming 

632
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,240
his place. 
Yeah. 

633
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,160
No, no. 
No relatives. 

634
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,680
I I get what you're saying, but 
I think he's, I think he's more 

635
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,960
of a consistent person and I 
don't think I don't see the home

636
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,760
run hits from Jay Crouch. 
Right, but what? 

637
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,960
So if we're going to extrapolate
this and say, OK, this is 

638
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,520
equivalent to the games like 
you're you're, you always say 

639
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,880
this is the best outside 
competition for for guessing 

640
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,520
towards the game. 
So what are we missing at rug 

641
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,200
that we're going to get at the 
games we're missing like the 

642
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,040
weird swim events we're missing 
And those I think would do 

643
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,560
better for Jay because he's not 
as heavy, he's he's a little bit

644
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,480
more athletic, stuff like that. 
So yeah, but every single 

645
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,400
strength thing that we've ever 
seen, he would take a somewhat 

646
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,000
of a hit on regarding the top 
five. 

647
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,480
And then we found out he's a 
very good deadlifter deadlift. 

648
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,720
Being a great deadlifter does 
not mean you're great at 

649
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,000
anything else. 
Patrick Bellner is just strong 

650
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,880
enough to be OK, right? 
At every lift there is, Nash is 

651
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,600
probably his best one, right? 
But a clean and jerk or a clean,

652
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,720
He's like about tenth. 
Yes or no Squatting. 

653
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,560
He squats 465 about 10th, right?
Deadlift. 

654
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,240
He's deadlift. 
Freaking 600 lbs. 

655
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,040
Like Jay Crouch has the same 
ability that Velner has that 

656
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,480
that Hiller has. 
Hiller is the same way. 

657
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,320
Hiller's strength numbers are 
not insane except his deadlift. 

658
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,360
His deadlift is insane. 
I know he bench presses a lot. 

659
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,240
I don't need him in the comments
if he's listening. 

660
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,800
But. 
But you hear, you see what I'm 

661
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,960
saying, right? 
It doesn't mean strength all the

662
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,040
way around. 
It definitely doesn't mean 

663
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,920
Olympic lifting strength. 
It's just some people are 

664
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,719
really, really good deadlift. 
There's an anatomically, their 

665
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,480
body is geared to deadlift, and 
usually it means they're a bad 

666
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,760
squatter. 
But Kyra Milligan proved me 

667
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,080
wrong on that. 
Usually. 

668
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:26,239
Oh yeah, usually it does spin. 
What were our bets last week? 

669
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:28,760
I don't think you want to go 
through that. 

670
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,040
Time. 
I want to go through it. 

671
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,639
Let's go through it. 
I think I owes. 

672
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,639
I think I owe John 40 bucks, 
right? 

673
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,080
Well, the first one was, and I 
don't know if you looked at the 

674
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,960
leaderboard close enough, but 
the first one was Lazer Jukic or

675
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,440
BKG. 
The second one was Chandler, 

676
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,360
Chandler, Smith or Lazer. 
Jukic, it actually came out way 

677
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,720
closer than you think. 
Tyler and BKG Chandler. 

678
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:02,880
Smith. 
Lazer Jukic now at the. 

679
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,360
Beginning of the competition. 
It's kind of sucks that you 

680
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,240
didn't watch it because in the 
beginning of the competition BKG

681
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,800
was like 6th and Chandler was 
like 4th until Sunday and. 

682
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,840
And Lazar was like. 17th until 
and Lazar, yeah, Lazar was was 

683
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,160
17th until Sunday. 
And then those two both kind of 

684
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,440
choked it down and Lazar picked 
it up, which is crazy because it

685
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,600
was like so much of a bad bet 
for you. 

686
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,480
And then it actually turned to 
pretty solid, like, you know 

687
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,120
what I mean, like pretty close 
back. 

688
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,320
So there was, there was a bit of
drama about my picks last week. 

689
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,680
So I I I kind of wanted to walk 
to. 

690
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,360
I actually did end up like 
Travis was close. 

691
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,920
Nobody predicted BKG that low 
and I was the only one who was 

692
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,600
close on that. 
And then Jay, I think I got 

693
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,120
pretty close on too. 
I think I guessed him 8th and he

694
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:57,880
was 9th and then so like. 
Yeah, on the men's side, you did

695
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,720
much better, the women. 
So. 

696
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,760
What was Bounder for you? 
Oh, he was. 

697
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,160
He was not. 
He was not. 

698
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,320
He was not he. 
Was not. 

699
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,280
I'm glad. 
I'm glad you had these 

700
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,600
miscellaneous picks that are 
happened to be close to 

701
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,240
together. 
Tyler So I I I wanted to walk 

702
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:20,560
through that cause some folks 
who are like being a little bit 

703
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,320
too outraged by it. 
So I'm trying I'm just trying 

704
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,760
something different. 
I was trying to pick like more 

705
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,920
correlating events that I 
thought that were going to 

706
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,080
correlate. 
And so getting ready for the 

707
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,040
wedding last week I had very 
little time and so like I was 

708
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,280
rushing through this process 
trying to do like this new thing

709
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,840
and then I ran out of time and 
spend was like where's your 

710
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,640
picks? 
Where's your picks And I was 

711
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,560
like I I have to send him 
something. 

712
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,240
So I was just like, do I send 
him this garbage? 

713
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,400
Like, I knew it was hot shit and
I was just like, this is going 

714
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,120
to drive John nuts. 
You love Hopper. 

715
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:57,600
You love Hopper. 
I'm. 

716
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,640
I don't know. 
Well, no. 

717
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:00,520
So. 
Hopper. 

718
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,080
Hopper, I I placed him up. 
I was like, I'm putting him up 

719
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,040
regardless what. 
It's been for a while. 

720
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,200
Like, that's not terrible. 
Yeah, no, I mean, he didn't do 

721
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,320
terrible anyway. 
I expected a little more out of 

722
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,200
him. 
Is it not weird that these guys 

723
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,440
just continue to get the same 
places that road? 

724
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,080
Travis and Tyler or Travis? 
And Jason, yes, yeah. 

725
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,080
It's pretty crazy. 
Yeah. 

726
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:28,240
So anyway, I mean it was the 
men's leaderboard was all over 

727
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,840
the place all weekend. 
I mean they were just up and 

728
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,320
down. 
There was no consistency. 

729
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,600
The women's like the top six 
kind of just started to. 

730
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,800
Pull away trash until day. 
Three. 

731
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,000
Right. 
And. 

732
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,960
And one great day shows him he 
moves up from, I don't know, 

733
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,400
17th up to 8th or something 
crazy. 

734
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:51,560
Yeah, yeah. 
And so yeah it's we do need to 

735
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,800
compare our picks and see that 
just just how off you were. 

736
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,160
But I think people would be 
you're not you're not as far off

737
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:04,360
as you as people may have 
thought right now I don't where 

738
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:10,320
did you have a hopper, John? 
Was that about did you seven got

739
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,600
back seventh. 
Yeah. 

740
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,240
He's in 7th. 
Oh, OK. 

741
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,880
That's cool. 
I I don't. 

742
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:17,920
I don't remember where I had 
them. 

743
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:18,800
You. 
You. 

744
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,800
Have the list. 
I think, Kathy, I can't believe 

745
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,160
you scheduled your wedding. 
I think I had. 

746
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,320
Hopper like 10. 
I think I had Hopper like 10. 

747
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,240
Yeah. 
I think when we scheduled it, I 

748
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:34,120
like, I knew I was going to do 
it in late October and then so I

749
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,920
think I just said one day like 
the 27th, which I didn't know 

750
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,840
was a Friday. 
And then and then later I went 

751
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,760
and checked and I was like, oh 
shit, it's it's on Rogue. 

752
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,920
And I was like, I can't, I can't
back out of this now like we 

753
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,240
have. 
We're too far in, so whatever. 

754
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,480
Patrick Patrick Clark, Crouch 
had eight top ten finishes at 

755
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,640
the Games this year. 
His worst finish was 22nd. 

756
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,840
That sounds a lot like Maderos. 
Yeah, like, like, I I feel like 

757
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:07,000
he's a very consistent athlete. 
But like, if those are, you 

758
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,600
know, Maderos would have eight 
top fives, right? 

759
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,800
And then that's the difference. 
And I mean, maybe Jay can get 

760
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,080
there. 
I just don't see it. 

761
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:23,080
Yeah, Billy Dementa. 
Is it true that Pat's last event

762
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,160
was 7 seconds away from taking 
him second again? 

763
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,800
So it was actually not. 
He had to finish within 9 

764
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:31,520
seconds. 
Yeah, he said he. 

765
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,440
Had plenty of time. 
I'm like Pat, it was closer than

766
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,560
you think. 
Yeah, I don't know if he saw my 

767
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:43,120
article, no. 
So if you yeah the the article I

768
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:49,000
wrote about Pat's how close it 
was. 

769
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:54,640
Yes, there were a handful of 
athletes that were right behind 

770
00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:00,880
where he finished and so he was 
going to finish in like 422 and 

771
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,800
here it is. 
He ended up finishing at 441. 

772
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,600
He lost 18 seconds from the no 
Rep he tied Garrett Clark. 

773
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,640
Granted, he's probably taking 
his time After that, though, 

774
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,720
I'll be like, OK, settle down. 
Like make sure you hit this. 

775
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:24,000
I mean he he did have time, but 
he could not have missed again 

776
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,400
given the time that he took 
like, you know, there there was 

777
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,240
probably a little bit more panic
than he was willing to admit or 

778
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,640
at least I would have been more 
panicked thinking is this going 

779
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,440
to happen again? 
But yeah, I mean you look at 

780
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,560
that like if he would have 
fallen behind Tudor Magda. 

781
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:48,400
So if he had lost 10 seconds, he
would have ended up losing in a 

782
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,200
heartbreak fashion, the Jeff 
Adler. 

783
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:56,360
So it was very close. 
And yeah, that was it. 

784
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,480
It was a it was a a close one 
for him. 

785
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:08,040
All right, next topic. 
So Tyler, you got to miss out on

786
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,360
this, but Saturday was a long 
day. 

787
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,160
Yeah, so can you guys explain to
me what happened? 

788
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,120
I, I maybe a lot of the fans 
know what happened, but like I 

789
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,720
from what I can gather, they 
just kept delaying and like or 

790
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:26,040
the setup of the event wasn't 
the right right thing right? 

791
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,040
So go go ahead, Jung. 
So they had the dual and you 

792
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,760
know how the duels are like 
those. 

793
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,760
But that was the the duels 
delayed, too. 

794
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,440
Right. 
But I mean like it got delayed 

795
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,160
for rain but then. 
The and technical. 

796
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,840
Issues like we're just going to 
go on and then, I mean, that was

797
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,680
like an hour or so. 
It started like an hour later 

798
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,560
than what it was supposed to. 
And then the duel that events 

799
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,880
like you, you know how those 
events are, they just take 

800
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,040
forever, like like unnecessarily
forever. 

801
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,960
We don't know why they take so 
long to organize the times, but 

802
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:02,200
they freaking do. 
And it just takes so long to run

803
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,880
20 seconds and then that event. 
And then like, they cut the 

804
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,040
ropes out of that event and 
there's supposed to be a rope 

805
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,000
climb. 
And it didn't rain at all. 

806
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,120
They delayed because they 
thought there was going to be 

807
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,280
rain. 
And then it didn't rain at all. 

808
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,480
And then it took some out and it
it was, yeah, so. 

809
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,560
So they did that. 
And then they did the deadlift. 

810
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,000
And the deadlift, they started 
the girls. 

811
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,360
They were like, OK, we're going 
to go up by 5 lbs now at like 

812
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,360
375. 
Well, they got so you everybody 

813
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,760
had to hit each weight. 
Yeah. 

814
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,160
What? 
Well, no, it was like the 

815
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,240
sandbag, Like the sandbag 
ladder. 

816
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,920
Like they had four girls go at 
once, 321 switch, four more 

817
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,680
girls, 321 switch, four more 
girls. 

818
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,280
But you had 32nd windows to do. 
This probably could have been 

819
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,200
done in 10 second windows, like 
you did. 

820
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,720
You're not going to try the 
deadlift again. 

821
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,320
It's not like an Olympic. 
Lift. 

822
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,560
The couple did. 
It was futile but. 

823
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,320
Yeah, yeah. 
And so that took so long to 

824
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,680
narrow it down. 
And then when they got to 375, 

825
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,400
there was 5 girls left 385, 
maybe it was one of the one or 

826
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,960
the other. 
And then they started and they 

827
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,920
only went up by 5 lbs. 
And all of those girls went to 

828
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,560
like 400. 
All of them. 

829
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,080
And then finally Kyra Milligan 
got out. 

830
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,200
Tia got out, Tia hit 400, got 
out at four O 5. 

831
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,840
And then freaking Danny and 
Laura and Alexander went to like

832
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,320
4:20. 
And then Laura got out, Danny 

833
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,080
got out, and Alex hit it. 
But they had to take up even 

834
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,800
more time because it was just 
down to two or three and so they

835
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,560
wanted to give him enough time 
to recover to get to their next 

836
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,480
one and so it. 
Just took so long. 

837
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,200
When I went back, like when I 
went back and looked at it, the 

838
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:53,280
women's duel took almost an 
hour. 15 The men's duel took an 

839
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:58,160
hour, The women's deadlift took 
almost an hour and a half, and 

840
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,920
the men took an hour and. 
It really felt like they tried 

841
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,120
to speed up the men's both 
times, right? 

842
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,320
Like their turnarounds were like
much faster and all that. 

843
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,040
And I don't know why we all just
do that in the 1st place like 

844
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:10,320
it's. 
Not. 

845
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,280
Like, man, that took a long 
time. 

846
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,440
Let's try to like, let's get a 
move on here. 

847
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,600
Like, just just do that from the
start. 

848
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,920
I left Tyler. 
I watched the deadlift from a 

849
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,240
pizza place and it was it was 
fine. 

850
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,640
I saw everything I could not 
like I was done after the 

851
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,360
women's. 
The women's like it took and 

852
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:35,760
like if you stayed from the 
men's it was like 1030 by the 

853
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:41,600
time the men got done And then 
spin, thank God, was like cancel

854
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,480
the show. 
Hey, we're just going to go on 

855
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,200
tomorrow And I'm like, yeah, 
sounds sounds good. 

856
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,520
I think, I think everybody was, 
everybody was done like it just 

857
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,120
felt like even on our, our, our 
thread, like everybody's just 

858
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,600
like dying watching this thing 
and like we're dying party. 

859
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,720
Oh man, it was. 
Pull it up on a screen, but then

860
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:06,320
like start the stream and like 
yeah, rogue's doing that so you 

861
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,600
might as well do the same thing.
I don't have enough monologue to

862
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,920
cover the amount of dead time 
there was and so like at that 

863
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,000
point. 
You're just gonna be starting 

864
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,480
talking about lunch you had or 
something? 

865
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,200
That's that's my question to you
guys is like all right we have 

866
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,960
let's skip Thursday, we had 
three days of competition like 

867
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,480
how that takes all day like even
even Friday like Pat said, it 

868
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,720
was supposed to be a short day, 
it was supposed to be from like 

869
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,320
late or early afternoon to mid 
afternoon they were done. 

870
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,760
It ended up stretching out to 
the mid mid evening. 

871
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,480
You have that, you have all day 
Saturday, which those two events

872
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,800
took seven hours with lots of 
downtime and then you have 

873
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:55,160
Sunday. 
Like, how do we make it so such 

874
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,080
that people that are not die 
hard CrossFit fans are 

875
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,720
interested in watching this 
thing? 

876
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:02,960
Like it's a huge time 
commitment. 

877
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,400
So the the other format would be
like the weightlifting format 

878
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,000
where it's like we're just going
to add 5 lbs and if you can hit 

879
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,200
it you step up and if not like 
you're out right. 

880
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,560
But you don't have to hit each 
each weight. 

881
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,520
You just come in where you want 
and then leave where. 

882
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,800
You want I like that? 
I like where you want. 

883
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:26,000
It doesn't drive the drama. 
Maybe it does, I guess because 

884
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,720
then like the. 
Drama is at the end. 

885
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,320
You wait this whole time for the
payoff at the end, right? 

886
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,960
The sandbag event was really 
boring. 

887
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,400
Until it wasn't. 
And then it was awesome. 

888
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,600
Right. 
Nobody cares if you miss a 

889
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,640
deadlift at 5:15. 
Right. 

890
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,040
Like like that's no. 
Unless it was Velner or you 

891
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,760
know, it'd be 615 or Roman or 
something like no. 

892
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,720
But I'm saying like if if Roman 
or Velner or Adler went out that

893
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:54,080
early, like that would be kind 
of an exciting. 

894
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,400
I went out at 5:45. 
That was pretty interesting. 

895
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,520
But yeah, like, I think you 
could just come in when you want

896
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,720
to come in, but once you come 
in, you don't get to go back out

897
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,240
like you would do every lift 
after. 

898
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:10,600
That you're just done, right? 
Right. 

899
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,840
So like the 2014 clean and jerk 
ladder that they had at the 

900
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,720
game. 
Yes, and I mean, I. 

901
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:19,200
Think you could come in like 
275? 

902
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:22,360
Yeah, 325 and like it. 
It kept going from there. 

903
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,560
I don't think it was 325 because
I think Rich hit like 3:30 or 

904
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,600
something. 
I think it was three O 5 but but

905
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,360
they were like it wasn't 
everybody went together, it said

906
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,480
321 switch and then like you 
continued to move on at some 

907
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,240
point. 
At some point there was 30 guys 

908
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:43,400
lifting at the same time. 
Yeah, but when you run it like 

909
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,360
that, plus you do it the last 
people, like the way they did 

910
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,360
it. 
Like Rich was like the last guy 

911
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,680
to go. 
I think Khalipa was in first at 

912
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,480
that point. 
So Khalipa was the last guy to 

913
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,120
go. 
Rich was the 2nd to last guy to 

914
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,040
go to get on a platform. 
So like, you have the last 

915
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,920
people go anyway, right? 
And like you get all of the 

916
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,520
drama. 
You still get Chandler hitting 

917
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,640
615 or 610 whatever you hit, and
they're just in a line. 

918
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,920
And I maybe that's easily, maybe
that's more easily done at the 

919
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,160
games than is it Rogue, because 
there's a little bit more space,

920
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,400
the games, you know what I mean?
Rogue's just had that like 4 

921
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,600
platforms. 
Yeah. 

922
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:26,000
But I don't understand, right. 
Alex Kazan had to do 18 

923
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,520
deadlifts at, like, really, 
really heavyweight. 

924
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:35,480
Yeah, that's a lot. 
On top of doing the dual, which 

925
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,080
was all of the sandbags and 120 
snatches. 

926
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,160
I did the Hulk hands workout and
it was gnarly. 

927
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,120
Do you have the Hulk hands? 
No, I don't have the whole 

928
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,680
hands. 
I just used 70 LB dumbbells. 

929
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,400
But I'd used what I had. 
Yeah, I did a plate push for the

930
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,720
sled drier, OK, but it was 
gnarly nonetheless. 

931
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,280
The I did 5 cleaning jerks and 
then I put that fifth one down. 

932
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,080
I was like. 
Bro. 

933
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:11,320
It's so hard to do. 
That's something I was I was 

934
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,920
upset about was the I think I 
caught was they took the the 

935
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,440
pegboard out, which totally 
changes the workout. 

936
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,560
Especially for the women. 
Yeah, And it was just like, oh. 

937
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,040
Well, and then they put 
enhancing walking this. 

938
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,680
So they basically were like, hey
guys, Daniel, Brandon's not 

939
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,360
doing well enough. 
When you got to, we got to. 

940
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:31,960
Give her a win. 
And Victor Hoffer? 

941
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,840
Right. 
And Victor Hoffer, yeah. 

942
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,040
Because I was watching. 
I was watching Travis in that 

943
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,960
and he was doing well. 
But I was like, man, he would 

944
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,880
have done so much better had he 
had the pegboard. 

945
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,240
And I think it changes the 
entire stimulus of the workout 

946
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:47,440
overall. 
Like you don't have to sit there

947
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:53,120
and yeah you're you have to your
core is going to be using an 

948
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,640
explosive mash or fashion and 
then it has to like be sit there

949
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,080
and isometric during the climb. 
And I was just like, I don't 

950
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,000
know. 
To me it was I get you want to 

951
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,480
be compassionate. 
Workout. 

952
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,960
I'm fine with the workout, but 
it is a completely different 

953
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:09,800
workout. 
Right. 

954
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,960
You want to be compassionate 
towards Bill and Katie and what 

955
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,520
they pulled off. 
And it's like, we still 

956
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,160
appreciate that part, but it's 
like, damn it, like. 

957
00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:19,560
It's hard, the weather. 
The weather really, really makes

958
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,400
it hard, right? 
Yeah. 

959
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,640
And like for the dual, you know,
speeding up, my recommendation 

960
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,320
is you do the men and the women,
right. 

961
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,680
And so you do the run around of 
men, You do one round of women, 

962
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,960
vice versa, whichever way. 
So when you're taking the 20, 

963
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,520
when you're taking 10 minutes to
go, tally the scores the other 

964
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,640
group is going. 
Oh, I see. 

965
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,640
And yeah. 
And set up the sandbag so one is

966
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,400
on the right side and one is on 
the left side. 

967
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,480
Color code them so that like 
it's. 

968
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,280
You know if your men, you turn 
to the right, if your women turn

969
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,480
them to the left to get your 
sandbags up and they're in the 

970
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,120
line instead. 
So they're not in the way and it

971
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,680
would just move things along. 
You probably get done in an hour

972
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:06,480
and a half for both. 
Yeah, like or or faster. 

973
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,640
Steph, do we think they'll find 
a new location next year? 

974
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,160
They'll have indoor options. 
I got that. 

975
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,040
I got the vibe that they would 
like. 

976
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:21,720
It was hard because of the rain,
like you didn't really, truly 

977
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:25,080
know how many people were there.
But it made me think like this 

978
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,840
might be the last year they do 
it at at a baseball stadium, 

979
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,920
'cause it didn't feel like that 
many people were there on Friday

980
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,520
it. 
Did it did feel like there was 

981
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,120
less people than last year? 
OK, yeah, I still. 

982
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,200
Felt like a lot of people were 
there, but it did feel like 

983
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,640
there was less people than last 
year. 

984
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,800
Yeah, and you know, kind of the 
big, the bigger question beyond 

985
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:52,760
these two events is like is 
there a way to do something to 

986
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:58,360
to help bring people into the 
sport that doesn't require, I 

987
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,200
mean I don't know, 20 hour 
commitment over the weekend or 

988
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,880
more like it's such a tough. 
If you're going to watch the 

989
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,640
games, that's that's basically a
20 hour weekend. 

990
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,560
Like, I mean I again, this is 
the biggest. 

991
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,280
The winner of this got $278,000.
This is the biggest CrossFit 

992
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:16,960
competition that is not the 
games. 

993
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,200
All of the fittest people in the
world do this competition. 

994
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,240
Like the truly the fittest 
people in the world. 

995
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,560
I don't think the 20 hour 
commitment thing, like I don't 

996
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,360
think that's a if you are a fan,
you're going to watch it. 

997
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,480
It's not Rogue is not something 
that's on ESPN, It's not 

998
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,160
something that they try to 
broadcast. 

999
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,360
I feel like Rogue is more for 
the CrossFit fan. 

1000
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,240
It's not for reaching people. 
That's the games. 

1001
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,440
That's CrossFit. 
But there's been a lot of talk 

1002
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,600
of making it a season, making 
it, selling a big package to 

1003
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,920
ESPN, having all these 
different, you know, 

1004
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,960
competitions on there in the 
offseason. 

1005
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,520
I'm just trying to figure out 
like you can't can't dedicate 

1006
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,000
that many weekends to only 
watching this. 

1007
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,160
Right. 
So it's like you're you sort of 

1008
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,360
move to more of like a baseball 
game thing where it's like you 

1009
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,400
have to have day competitions 
first of all I think. 

1010
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,240
But it's like how you can't 
really get a good test of 

1011
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:22,600
fitness in the most you can do 
is probably 5 events and that's 

1012
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,920
really starting to push it. 
And then it's like how many 

1013
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,120
people want to travel way far 
away to do a day competition. 

1014
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,920
Like there's all these weird 
things and that's where I think,

1015
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:37,360
like it should be more regional,
where it's like you compete with

1016
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,880
people that are in within like a
state level or something, but 

1017
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,000
it's. 
So much so much with this. 

1018
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,920
I I get what you're saying, 
John, but it's like, do we keep 

1019
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,920
bashing our heads in the wall 
and trying to get more viewers 

1020
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,560
while also not changing 
anything? 

1021
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,600
Like we're not the the viewer 
experience of the sport is no 

1022
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,720
different than it was in 2014. 
Is Rogue's goal to get more 

1023
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:04,880
viewers? 
I'm saying would be, I'm saying.

1024
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,920
Or any any, any competition that
we watch, whether it's Rogue, 

1025
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,960
Dubai, Madrid, Water, Palooza, 
anything like from the elite 

1026
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:18,480
standpoint of the most eyeballs 
are on it. 

1027
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,680
Like is there a way to make it 
more viewer friendly so that 

1028
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,920
people can actually watch it 
that aren't die hard fans? 

1029
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,880
What you guys are suggesting 
will water down the competition 

1030
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:42,520
and I think more eyes will see 
it but won't care. 

1031
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,000
Like like the you'll lose the 
die hard fans if you do regional

1032
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,240
competitions, if you do state 
competitions, if you do things 

1033
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:55,040
that are just one day and not 
the weekend, you can't have a 

1034
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,760
total test of fitness. 
The winner for Dang sure ain't 

1035
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,840
making $278,000. 
If you're doing those things 

1036
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:06,080
like I get what y'all are 
saying, I think you should 

1037
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,760
appreciate what we have. 
And the winner of Rogue had the 

1038
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,760
The money for Rogue has gone up 
every single year. 

1039
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,640
Every year it's gotten more 
money. 

1040
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,440
See Katie, anything bad John 
said about you, he just made-up 

1041
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,000
for it, right? 
We're not. 

1042
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,760
I mean, John, it's like we're 
just, we're just pontificating 

1043
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:24,840
here. 
It's not like anything we're 

1044
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,160
saying is going to be. 
I know. 

1045
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,800
No, I know, I know. 
But I want y'all to think about 

1046
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,280
this like there's only one other
competition where we get to have

1047
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,880
everybody. 
I don't care if it's viewer 

1048
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,640
friendly. 
This is the only other 

1049
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,680
competition in the whole world 
where all the fittest people in 

1050
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,040
the world gather up and do it. 
I kind of like that it's small 

1051
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:48,520
because you get to see the 
athletes much more. 

1052
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,080
I feels more personable. 
I don't. 

1053
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,240
You get to see all the like if 
you go to Rome, you get to see 

1054
00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:58,040
the Brian friends, you get to 
see the Matt Fraser's walking 

1055
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,920
around, You get to see the 
Medeiros's in his suite. 

1056
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,200
Like they're all there, all the 
all the big names are there. 

1057
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:05,960
You know what I mean? 
I'm not saying you shouldn't. 

1058
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,160
People are. 
I'm saying is there a way to 

1059
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:15,800
condense it and make it so that 
it's actually packageable? 

1060
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,560
Or you know what package? 
Do you want? 

1061
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:20,560
I'm saying that. 
Tell me what you want. 

1062
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:28,640
I want something that I don't 
have to that and again, look 

1063
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:30,280
like I watch all this stuff, 
right? 

1064
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,240
Like, that's not the issue. 
It's getting the people that are

1065
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:37,680
also cross fitters who don't 
have the time or don't care to 

1066
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,920
watch 10 hours a day of a 
competition. 

1067
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,440
Well, that's what. 
YouTube is for Fast forward. 

1068
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,880
Yeah, but that's day that that's
like week after, that's when it.

1069
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,640
Doesn't have live numbers. 
Yeah, I'm saying like can you 

1070
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,360
condense it? 
Can you make it into a three or 

1071
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:57,040
four hour day but still get the 
same type of competition? 

1072
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,920
I don't think you can I. 
Don't think you can do the same 

1073
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,680
events. 
You definitely can't do the same

1074
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,520
events, but I don't think I like
it. 

1075
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,760
It's a sliding scale. 
It's like what? 

1076
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,760
What do you want to optimize? 
Because that's what you're going

1077
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,320
to move towards. 
But what the the the story I was

1078
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,240
going to tell him. 
It's like I hope I don't hurt 

1079
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,360
anybody's feelings. 
Like one of my friends won the 

1080
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,480
Pensacola Beach Brawl Elite 
Competition, but it's like I 

1081
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,760
don't care who won Pensacola. 
It was a it was a day long 

1082
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:31,200
competition. 
Yeah, he's always yelling. 

1083
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,720
He's always, he's always 
yelling. 

1084
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,160
I don't. 
I don't take offense. 

1085
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,120
Yeah, I mean I just just 
throwing it out there like is 

1086
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,480
there. 
We always talk about growing the

1087
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,320
sport. 
Can we grow it be in a 

1088
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,040
competition that takes that 
long, that much to watch that 

1089
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,280
that's. 
That's always the game, right? 

1090
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:57,720
That's. 
But then you like turning John 

1091
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,160
into a like an avatar. 
There's there's people who are 

1092
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,680
in kind of his camp, but it's 
like they want it the way it is.

1093
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,120
And I don't disagree with what 
you're saying, John. 

1094
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,080
Like for the most part, I'd 
probably rather have it this 

1095
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,840
way. 
Like if it's having it this way 

1096
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,360
or having something that's way 
deluded, I'd rather have it this

1097
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,200
way. 
It's just, you know, when people

1098
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,160
keep using the friggin phrase 
like professionalization, 

1099
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,240
professionalization just equals 
money and money equals eyes on 

1100
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,800
the day that it's live 
competition and it's like, how 

1101
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,200
do we, how do we move that 
needle? 

1102
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:33,280
And I don't. 
I don't. 

1103
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,400
Know the two. $178,000 is moving
the needle. 

1104
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,600
That's just Rogue's. 
Money that's Rogue going in the 

1105
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,440
hole I. 
Hit it, but it's more money than

1106
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,440
anybody else is doing. 
Yeah, but what happens when 

1107
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,760
Rogue has a rainy day? 
Rogue's well, Rogue's got. 

1108
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,280
We have one red one. 
We have 1 golden goose. 

1109
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,480
Right. 
Like even Dubai couldn't keep up

1110
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,880
their crazy prize money. 
And it's not even crazy close to

1111
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,480
Rogue. 
The golden goose that keeps on 

1112
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,160
giving. 
I don't think Rogue is going to 

1113
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,840
ever go away, dude. 
But the the question, John, is 

1114
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,920
if we have more viewers, could 
we have more competitions like 

1115
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:15,040
Rogue where $278,000 is 
commonplace? 

1116
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,440
I think you'd have to grow a lot
more for that to happen. 

1117
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,000
Right. 
And that's the question is how? 

1118
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,200
I don't, I don't think you make 
it, OK. 

1119
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,840
I don't think you make another 
water palooza in California. 

1120
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,920
I think you just whatever 
resources you want to do in 

1121
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:36,240
California, just double the size
of Florida or double the size of

1122
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:37,400
California, just move the whole 
thing. 

1123
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,920
I don't think splitting the two 
up is the best thing to do. 

1124
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,760
You think you can double water 
Palooza? 

1125
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,160
They're trying to make a whole 
nother one in California, Tyler.

1126
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,440
Yeah, I understand that because 
they know they can't do, they 

1127
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,000
can't double the size of Water 
Palooza as it currently is. 

1128
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:53,840
Have you been to Water Palooza 
I? 

1129
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,320
Have. 
Not it's crazy. 

1130
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,760
There's no room for anything and
you want to put. 

1131
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,000
I'm saying I'm 20. 1000 people 
there in a day the. 

1132
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,680
Venue. 
OK, even still, it's going to 

1133
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,640
become, it's going to become 
like going to Kings Island or 

1134
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,080
Disney World. 
You're not going to be able to 

1135
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,560
walk around. 
It's like this isn't fun anymore

1136
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,560
for anybody. 
People go to Water Palooza every

1137
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,320
year. 
At 10,000, not at 20,000. 

1138
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:26,400
That's more people. 
Like what, John the The Water 

1139
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,040
Palooza venue. 
You can't move it from Bayfront.

1140
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,200
No, no you can't. 
It's like there there. 

1141
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,160
People have suggested, people 
have suggested taking it away 

1142
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,040
from there and like go into a 
different place. 

1143
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:40,480
And I'm pretty sure that that 
Dylan and O'Keefe back when he 

1144
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,240
was involved was like, 
absolutely not like you take 

1145
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,840
away the Bayfront Park and you 
take away water Palooza, that's.

1146
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,160
Fine. 
I mean, no, that's fine If it's 

1147
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,040
a culture, like, it's a culture.
I get it. 

1148
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,800
But I just don't think just, 
hey, let's just make another 

1149
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,560
one. 
I don't think that's going. 

1150
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,960
To be the I don't and and Travis
I'm not saying like a 

1151
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:02,560
competition is 4 hours and 
that's it and you walk you go 

1152
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,200
home but like could it be. 
Previewing experiences. 

1153
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,960
Could it be 3 nights in a row 
that fits within 3/4 hour 

1154
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,520
windows? 
I I just you can't do events 

1155
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,800
like that. 
Oh, I don't hate this idea. 

1156
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,480
So what if this is this is a 
good idea so you have like a a 

1157
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,840
participation based competition 
so that people like Travis at 

1158
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:29,640
vindicate can sell shirts all 
day but primetime 6 to 9 is the 

1159
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,120
elites only. 
You run it for three days and 

1160
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,240
then then we get to see those 
and. 

1161
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,600
But you'd have to fit 32 to 
three events in that three to 

1162
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,520
four hour window. 
I think you're doing a 

1163
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,960
disservice to the athletes. 
When you do that, they have to 

1164
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,480
recover. 
You're not going to get their 

1165
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,520
best like one you're. 
Limited. 

1166
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,560
I'm not. 
Though you're limited to the 

1167
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:49,640
events you can do if you're able
to. 

1168
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,360
Hey, we're going to do 3 events 
in three hours. 

1169
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,480
I agree, but it's not a 
disservice to the athletes to 

1170
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,360
pay them. 
No, but you're not. 

1171
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:02,040
You're like, you're not going to
get to recover. 

1172
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,120
You're not going to get to like 
they're not just Madden players 

1173
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:05,360
that. 
You. 

1174
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:06,800
But what did you say about the 
deadlift? 

1175
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,560
What did you say about the 
deadlift, John? 

1176
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,640
They don't need enough time. 
Whatever they get, they get. 

1177
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,720
They're fine. 
Don't, don't, don't. 

1178
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,400
Keep extending this thing out, 
for one. 

1179
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,040
Event for one event, yes, I'm 
talking recovering from event. 

1180
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,640
You can't crush people and then 
just crush them again in 10 

1181
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,920
minutes like you can't then it's
it's a different, you're not. 

1182
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,680
It's a different thing then, and
I don't think, I think that's 

1183
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,560
irresponsible. 
I think you're you can. 

1184
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:33,480
Program to fit that though. 
No, you can, you can. 

1185
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,240
But then it's different. 
It's it's a different test of 

1186
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,240
fitness that way. 
You know what I mean? 

1187
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,560
Like you can't. 
They're all going to be sprinty 

1188
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,280
events and it's way, way 
different. 

1189
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,480
Yeah, but this was games level 
programming. 

1190
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,240
Like games level programming 
probably shouldn't be that 

1191
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,600
viewer friendly for the most. 
Part correct? 

1192
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,120
And that's what I'm saying about
rope. 

1193
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,640
You want to keep that games 
level programming. 

1194
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,120
Yeah, yes, the games people are 
here, if you. 

1195
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,480
Want to do local competition if?
You want to do local 

1196
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,080
competitions and state 
invitationals or whatever that 

1197
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,440
is, then that can be done in 
three hour time periods and we 

1198
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,480
don't have to and that can be 
run like a local competition, 

1199
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,880
right, Your local one day 
competitions but with the fitter

1200
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,880
people, with fitter you know 
people, I just don't think 

1201
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,960
that's going to be like the 
money grab y'all think it's 

1202
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,480
going to be. 
So essentially we would need to 

1203
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,400
cut 3 events out of the 
competition that already 

1204
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:34,280
existed, is what we're saying 
Like limit it down to six, three

1205
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,320
days, 6 events. 
Six events. 

1206
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,640
It's like a regional, a regional
volume for these types of 

1207
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:43,480
competitions. 
But do it in a three hour window

1208
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,880
each night. 
Yeah, Patrick Clark here. 

1209
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,040
Castro does it every year. 
Sunday at the Games is 

1210
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,120
essentially just three workouts 
in five hours. 

1211
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:57,280
Like, yes, and they did break up
some time to give people time to

1212
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:58,960
go between Vendor Village and 
stuff. 

1213
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,280
Now the question is, can you do,
can they do that three days in a

1214
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,840
row, Right, Like. 
No. 

1215
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,240
That, that's the that's the 
question. 

1216
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,040
And one of them workouts for 
Dang ain't like a long endurance

1217
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:12,120
thing. 
Right. 

1218
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:13,480
The last thing's usually very 
short. 

1219
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,960
It's all Crossfitty stuff. 
I, I, I've actually never 

1220
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,920
thought of this before. 
You, if you run a competition 

1221
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,720
across the competition, you 
always have the men and the 

1222
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,840
women together. 
But what if we segregated the 

1223
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:29,400
competitions so it's like men 
did like this event and then 

1224
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,480
like women did like like Rogue 
has an event in November that's 

1225
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,000
for the men, and then Rogue has 
an event in December that's for 

1226
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,680
the women. 
You can speed up the heats like 

1227
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,880
there's no transition you have 
to worry about like. 

1228
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,680
I don't like that either. 
I think, I think going back and 

1229
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,160
they're completely different 
pools. 

1230
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,600
I think going back and fight is 
fine because you need that. 

1231
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:50,400
You do need the rest between the
events. 

1232
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,960
But if you're trying to fit 2 to
3 workouts in a three hour 

1233
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,320
window, like, you really got to 
be under shit. 

1234
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,720
Oh, 100%. 
And I think that's it'll be 

1235
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,800
interesting to see what the 
CrossFit Games in 24 looks like 

1236
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,640
with only the individuals and 
teams and what that schedule 

1237
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:16,360
looks like because it needs. 
To bring back the Invitational. 

1238
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,400
OK. 
We can talk about that too. 

1239
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,280
I mean that was that was even 
worse. 

1240
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,320
You want to talk about volume 
and but like look at what they 

1241
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,040
could do. 
It was a one day competition for

1242
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:29,640
the most. 
It was one day, right? 

1243
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:32,800
It's not 2 days. 
Yeah, it was one day. 

1244
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,000
It was like 2 hours like 4. 
Events and it like they flew 

1245
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:40,280
through it like so much volume, 
it's way worse. 

1246
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:46,960
No, what I'm saying is you could
have like a series, an 

1247
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:52,000
Invitational series of like 7 
different ones and then if this 

1248
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,000
is in the offseason it would be 
after Rogue right? 

1249
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,520
And just hosted by CrossFit. 
It could be during December, 

1250
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,880
January and then athletes, 
athletes can register for it. 

1251
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,640
You can pick to be in it, right?
They can have invitations, but 

1252
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,720
you can pick to be in it if you 
want to be in it, like you're 

1253
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,840
going to enter your name. 
Obviously everybody's not going 

1254
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,960
to want to do that. 
But if you're in it, you have 

1255
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:19,080
seven different dates, it's 
every three weeks, and then it's

1256
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,960
a series of basically 
invitationals, and then there's 

1257
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,680
a winner at the end of it and 
you win this the invitation, the

1258
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,680
CrossFit Invitational series or 
something like that. 

1259
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:32,840
And I can give you 7 one day 
competitions of elite athletes, 

1260
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,600
3 events, four hours each 
series, whatever, like however 

1261
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,040
you want to work it. 
And that gives you something in 

1262
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,600
the offseason. 
And you cover a lot of time that

1263
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,320
way because it's like once at 
1:00 every like two or three 

1264
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:46,560
weeks, you know? 
What I'm saying. 

1265
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,960
So now instead of having 
sanctionals like we did have, 

1266
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,760
Rogue owns 6 sanctionals is what
you're saying? 

1267
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,120
No, not Rogue, not Rogue. 
This is CrossFit. 

1268
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,120
CrossFit. 
Owns 6 sanctional. 

1269
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,880
No, it's not a sanctional. 
It's this is just something. 

1270
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,280
Small one day, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1271
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,480
No. 
Like like it's called, it's 

1272
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,480
called something different. 
It's not. 

1273
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,440
Yeah. 
It's not a it's not hey Filthy 

1274
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,360
150. 
It's not the Mac. 

1275
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,720
It's not. 
It's not the Syndicate. 

1276
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:17,720
It's not. 
A It's not. 

1277
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:19,960
So it's not so different from 
that, John. 

1278
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,480
Those competitions were three 
days, then I'm just. 

1279
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:26,760
Saying those gave you, those 
gave you leeway to go to the 

1280
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,000
games, right? 
That's what sanctionals were. 

1281
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:30,360
You win that, you go to the 
games. 

1282
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,200
This is not, this is a whole 
different thing. 

1283
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:36,560
It's just a series series. 
And then the winner you get, you

1284
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:37,840
get a couple, you get some 
change. 

1285
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,800
If you win one, you win the 
whole thing, like aggregate, you

1286
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,560
get $100,000, you win one, you 
get $10,000. 

1287
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,000
What I'm saying is we were 
almost there. 

1288
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,760
All we had to do is make a 
couple changes. 

1289
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,360
All divided up. 
It was all divided up. 

1290
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:54,680
Everybody. 
Had their own thing. 

1291
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,760
Everybody ran their own 
competition. 

1292
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,000
This wasn't CrossFit. 
They were like, hey, we want 

1293
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,200
y'all to. 
Everybody runs their own 

1294
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:02,960
competition. 
We're going to take like 19 of 

1295
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,920
y'all and everybody's confused 
about what works and what 

1296
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,520
doesn't and everybody doesn't 
know and who qualifies. 

1297
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,320
And then like the ninth person 
down got to go to the games. 

1298
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,960
It wasn't like that at all. 
This is a whole different thing.

1299
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,640
It means nothing for the games. 
It's like rogues, its own 

1300
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,960
competition. 
This is Crossfit's own thing 

1301
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,160
they do in the offseason and 
obviously you're not going to 

1302
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,880
get like you might not get like 
the Bell Nurse or the Mederises 

1303
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,120
of the world, but you could get 
the people underneath them. 

1304
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:38,880
Yeah, I I mean again, I think 
this one sums it up that this 

1305
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,560
shows why they don't change the 
structure because no one can 

1306
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,479
agree. 
So I don't, I don't know. 

1307
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,160
I mean, I just had the thought 
of it as I was sitting there on 

1308
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:52,200
Saturday like dying, watching 
this all day thing and seeing 

1309
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:57,439
the duel go and the deadlift go 
and I'm like I'm on our what of 

1310
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:03,680
this like our 12 or 13 of being 
engaged in what's going on at 

1311
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:10,279
Rogue and thinking like is there
a better way to, you know, to 

1312
01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:12,760
bring somebody in. 
So that's really what what I 

1313
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:16,120
wanted to talk about there. 
I got on a lot of tangents. 

1314
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:16,880
I apologize. 
It did. 

1315
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:18,080
It did. 
But that's good. 

1316
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,240
There's a lot of things to think
about. 

1317
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:26,920
Dave Castro's we can review. 
He brought up that the the 2024 

1318
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:32,240
Open will remain at three weeks.
Are you a fan or do you like the

1319
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,040
old five week? 
A lot of people are throwing out

1320
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:35,840
four week. 
Where do you stand on it? 

1321
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,600
We'll start with John. 
Yes, I'm a fan. 

1322
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,240
I think the Open should be 3 
weeks and then you get a week 

1323
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,920
and then it's quarterfinals. 
I think how it's run right now 

1324
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:51,120
is is I like, I enjoy how it's 
ran right now a lot because if 

1325
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:56,000
you're in the quarterfinals it 
is five weeks and if you're not 

1326
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,080
in the quarterfinals it's three 
weeks and it is if the five week

1327
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,200
thing does, I agree everything 
with, Castro said. 

1328
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:06,600
It does put like a damper on 
affiliates like they it's hard 

1329
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,920
to be on fire for five weeks 
straight. 

1330
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,440
Usually by the third week people
start to Peter out. 

1331
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:16,440
Which he also said like as he 
got the Week 345, it started to 

1332
01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:18,280
tail off. 
I do think it's. 

1333
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,840
I do think the program is going 
to get criticized a lot because 

1334
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,080
it's only three events and 
there's probably going to be a 

1335
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,480
part A, Part B and I know Chase 
hates that because the Part B is

1336
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:31,560
going to be a Max out lift, 
right? 

1337
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,520
Like, oh man, it'd be so cool to
do a Part B. 

1338
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,880
That was just another workout I.
Think they'll get to that At 

1339
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:41,560
some point? 
They might. 

1340
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:42,520
Get Yeah, I think so too. 
I. 

1341
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:49,080
Wouldn't put it past them, but 
like, I enjoy just having three 

1342
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:50,800
weeks. 
I think for the most part it 

1343
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,320
gets everybody. 
It gets everybody in that's 

1344
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:56,960
supposed to be in top 10% is not
a hard goal if you're if you're 

1345
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,560
fit. 
You know what I mean. 

1346
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,280
If you're relatively fit, 
usually the best person in your 

1347
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,440
gym won't have a problem getting
the quarterfinals. 

1348
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:08,760
Like in in a local gym, like not
even like a competitive gym. 

1349
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,280
Just he's really good at 
CrossFit or she's really good at

1350
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,120
CrossFit. 
You don't even have to lift very

1351
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:18,520
heavy and then you get 
quarterfinals right after that 

1352
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:19,880
you got a week and then 
quarterfinals. 

1353
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,200
Like, I I like how the current 
setup is and I think we should 

1354
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,520
continue that and I don't think 
we should make a habit like 

1355
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,040
that's one of them. 
Things like I don't want to 

1356
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,440
change. 
We change every freaking three 

1357
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:31,840
years or two years. 
Like, let's just You want to 

1358
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,120
professionalize the sport, quit 
changing the freaking sport and 

1359
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:43,320
just have a system, Tyler. 
I I mean, there's no point in 

1360
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,840
arguing. 
Yeah, it's like obviously the 

1361
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,360
better way to go. 
It's. 

1362
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:49,960
I get nostalgic for the five 
weeks. 

1363
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:51,960
I actually enjoyed week four and
five. 

1364
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,920
When people started bitching, I 
I thought it was funny and like,

1365
01:11:56,040 --> 01:12:01,160
I enjoyed this log of of Week 5.
When you were like mentally, it 

1366
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,840
was just mentally the hardest 
thing because you like had to 

1367
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:07,440
amp yourself up again. 
Like you were probably going to 

1368
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:09,120
have to do the workout twice, 
like it. 

1369
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:14,120
There was all these different 
factors and it was just it was 

1370
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:17,920
part of the game that I enjoyed,
but it was not a sustainable 

1371
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,960
part of the game if you run an 
affiliate. 

1372
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,400
So I totally understand. 
I don't. 

1373
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,200
I've never had a problem doing 5
weeks. 

1374
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,480
Like, no, I mean it's. 
Like a It's just another 

1375
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:27,800
workout. 
You get fit enough. 

1376
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,200
It's just it's just your morning
workout and then you're going to

1377
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,600
work out again in the evening. 
Like it's not right but. 

1378
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,280
Yeah. 
And you're right, like quarter 

1379
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,160
finals. 
Quarter finals is week five. 

1380
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:41,440
It it, it's even kind of better 
than Week 5 because it's like 

1381
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,080
you're a little bit refreshed. 
Usually you have that like a 

1382
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,080
week off or something and then 
you do quarterfinals. 

1383
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:50,640
So I really, I really enjoy 
that. 

1384
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,600
But yeah, it's it's great. 
And if anything, they should 

1385
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:57,160
have more events throughout the 
year that are like 2 weeks or 

1386
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,920
something just so we can keep a 
participation base going 

1387
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,920
throughout the year, something 
different sort of like the the 

1388
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:07,040
team thing that they used to do,
the team series or I don't know,

1389
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:08,840
whatever. 
Else I hated all those different

1390
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,040
series. 
Never got any. 

1391
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,920
Part I did too. 
They just they they never 

1392
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,000
landed. 
I liked the spirit of them, but 

1393
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,560
they never landed the right way.
Well, because you knew that Ben 

1394
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:23,400
Smith and whoever Camille or 
whoever was going to team up on 

1395
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:28,080
Team Rogue was going to do that.
And then it was like, I'm never 

1396
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,000
going to win a prize. 
It's not really. 

1397
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:33,400
There's nothing there for it. 
So I'm not going to do it. 

1398
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,840
What we got here, Patrick Clark,
the Open isn't supposed to be a 

1399
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:37,520
while. 
We're in the test. 

1400
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:40,000
It's a barrier of entry to the 
next stage. 

1401
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:42,880
I just see the comments. 
Like hiding you do. 

1402
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:44,080
I agree with that 
wholeheartedly. 

1403
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,320
I disagree this is. 
For the public, I think it it 

1404
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,160
should be well-rounded. 
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 

1405
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,920
It's not, it's not, it's not 
going to be, it's not going to 

1406
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,360
encapsulate all of fitness. 
You can't test everything in 

1407
01:13:56,360 --> 01:14:00,120
three weeks. 
But like I thought the OK, like 

1408
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,680
if you take last year's open, I 
thought for the most part that's

1409
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,200
well-rounded. 
It's just not like it just 

1410
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,080
doesn't cover a whole bunch of 
you can't be super broad. 

1411
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:10,880
Yeah, you can't. 
Yeah. 

1412
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:15,080
Right, but I he's not saying it 
should just be three single 

1413
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,640
modality things. 
That's not what he's saying. 

1414
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,280
It's just people in the comments
are like saying like it's not 

1415
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,360
you can't cover a whole thing of
fitness and he's just saying 

1416
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:24,840
it's a barrier to the next 
stage. 

1417
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,080
It's not supposed to be the 
well-rounded, get all test. 

1418
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,320
That's the games. 
I think the the test themselves 

1419
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,240
should be well-rounded, all 
three of them. 

1420
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:37,520
But yeah, you're not going to 
get like a 5K response and then 

1421
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,280
mixed with like a one Rep Max 
deadlift like you're not. 

1422
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:44,360
But I mean a shuttle run bonanza
and A1 Rep Max thruster right 

1423
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:45,800
after it. 
Like, I feel like. 

1424
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,400
I feel like for the most part, 
they're pretty good about this. 

1425
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,680
Yeah, yeah, I think, I think 
they're great, but the spirit of

1426
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,920
it should be, should be that 
they're well-rounded snapshots 

1427
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:56,000
of fitness. 
You can't. 

1428
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,840
It's as much as you can 
encapsulate in the 15 minute 

1429
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,400
time period 315 minute time 
periods. 

1430
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:07,120
Mr. Cherry If it stays at the 
current format, the open will 

1431
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:11,120
never matter. 
That's probably the more the 

1432
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,360
more money is involved, it'll 
start mattering. 

1433
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,160
The winner of the Open got 
$50,000. 

1434
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:17,800
It would matter. 
No. 

1435
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:21,720
If you did, you listen to Chase 
and Bill did a podcast on this 

1436
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,880
and it Chase's. 
One of Chase's things from the 

1437
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:28,520
Open was if you are top ten or 
something you should get a buy 

1438
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,160
in the quarterfinals or 
something like that. 

1439
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:35,560
Or or no or I think it was semi 
finals and I said well why not 

1440
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:41,960
30 because then like then you 
make it a real like 10's really 

1441
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,240
high but 30 the top 30 athletes 
like people will really try for 

1442
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:49,320
that. 
I like, I like the top ten idea.

1443
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,760
Like you get a, you get, you get
to go straight to semi finals. 

1444
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,680
Yeah. 
But like, you have to think 

1445
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,000
about it like maybe like the top
five in each region, because, 

1446
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,200
yeah, you're dealing with 
regions. 

1447
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,360
Yeah, the top five in the open 
in each region. 

1448
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,520
The top ten in the in North 
America because it's a bigger 

1449
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,280
region, maybe. 
Well, I mean you can, you can 

1450
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,200
see who's North America West and
North America East. 

1451
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,600
Like it like like you get top 
ten because it's, it's both of 

1452
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:16,920
those, right? 
Yeah. 

1453
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,400
But only 10 make it. 
I don't think you can do much 

1454
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:23,080
more than five because only 10 
make it, right. 

1455
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,400
So there's only six spots 
available. 

1456
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,520
Well, no, they they qualified as
semis and then there's there's 

1457
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,440
still be 60 going to semifinals.
It would just be 10 to get 

1458
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,800
quarter finals. 
That's why I'm saying since the 

1459
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,960
barrier to entry, the barrier to
entry of semis, is so low, like 

1460
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,120
why not just make it 30? 
I was jumping. 

1461
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:43,960
I was jumping. 
Yeah, no, I understand. 

1462
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:44,600
I. 
Got confused. 

1463
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:45,400
I got confused. 
You got. 

1464
01:16:45,480 --> 01:16:47,040
Yeah, I agree with you guys. 
I agree with. 

1465
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,240
You guys and then all of a 
sudden like you have some real 

1466
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,440
competition going on, that's 
it's worth it. 

1467
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:54,120
It's a simple change. 
Nothing has to change for that. 

1468
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:56,920
Yeah. 
And nothing would have changed. 

1469
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:58,600
All of those guys would have 
made the semi. 

1470
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,360
Yeah, yeah. 
Anybody that makes top ten in 

1471
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,800
the Open is going to semi 
finals. 

1472
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,560
Patrick Clark, since there's no 
prize money for the quarters, 

1473
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,960
arguably the quarters is the 
most important to the just the 

1474
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:17,800
huge cut, right? 
Like, you know, obviously 

1475
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,200
there's more on the line at semi
finals, but for a lot of the 

1476
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,080
athletes, there's probably 100 
of them that are in it for the 

1477
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,520
top 60 or in, you know, the 
smaller regions, 50 out of the, 

1478
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,400
you know, are in that picture 
for the top 30. 

1479
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,400
So yeah. 
And work programming really 

1480
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,280
matters. 
They're still specialists in 

1481
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,640
quarterfinals. 
It's it's really tough. 

1482
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,520
There's a lot of good athletes 
that don't make it every year 

1483
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,320
just cause of one mess up. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1484
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:47,680
And I think a lot of the debate 
centers around the sport. 

1485
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:54,840
You have the the the non 10 top 
10%, the bottom 90% and then the

1486
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,720
affiliate owners they all have 
different perspectives right? 

1487
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,880
Like the sport it probably works
best the way it is 3 weeks then 

1488
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:07,400
you go to quarter finals. 
The the other 90% say I'd 

1489
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:11,520
probably like to have more time 
in the open to participate in it

1490
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,120
and then the affiliate owners 
are like please stop. 

1491
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:15,240
I don't. 
I can't talk. 

1492
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,160
Anymore. 
I don't want to buy any more 

1493
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,040
tape. 
I might be able to do, I might 

1494
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,920
be able to do 4 weeks, but I 
can't do that plus quarter 

1495
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,720
finals and everything else. 
So you come across from three 

1496
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,040
different angles and you don't 
get to to an agreement. 

1497
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:36,120
And the last topic, the Heat 1 
winner of the barbell spin. 

1498
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:42,160
Patreon, John, I think analysis 
runs in your family. 

1499
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,000
John, did you win? 
Oh my God. 

1500
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,680
Oh man, my mom won. 
Yeah, oh. 

1501
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,640
Man. 
Yeah, this is young. 

1502
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,360
I didn't even know. 
That. 

1503
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:55,360
Man, I still. 
Think she? 

1504
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,120
I figured she never. 
Talk about that like crazy. 

1505
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:00,280
So yeah, I don't know if she 
picked. 

1506
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:05,640
Let's see she. 
Oh, is this for the top ten? 

1507
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,400
This isn't the. 
This is just top ten. 

1508
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,320
This is top ten. 
She She's so. 

1509
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,760
Good though. 
Jeff Adler in first, Velner in 

1510
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:18,200
second, Ricky in 3rd. 
Her biggest miss on the men's 

1511
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:19,880
side was Chandler Smith in 5th 
I. 

1512
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,120
Don't even know if she knew she 
won. 

1513
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,640
And then on the women's side, 
she called Laura Horvath as the 

1514
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,280
winner. 
She had Emma in second, Tia in 

1515
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:34,880
3rd. 
Her biggest miss on the women's 

1516
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,200
side was she get called Paige 
Powers and 8th. 

1517
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:43,400
Paige powers and 13th, 13th. 
13th so she got all nines, 10s 

1518
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:45,640
and a couple eights. 
Good job, nice. 

1519
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:48,840
Plus Paige. 
Jackie, what happened? 

1520
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,800
You know, Jackie's listening. 
She. 

1521
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,280
I know, You know, yeah. 
So. 

1522
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:00,560
So Shelly wins a barbell spin 
flag. 

1523
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:06,200
And a bag of of third Z so. 
Those flags are rare, right? 

1524
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:07,920
There's only like. 
There's only a There's only a 

1525
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,080
handful, so yeah. 
I don't even have one. 

1526
01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:12,560
Hit that on the resale market. 
Jelly. 

1527
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:16,080
So maybe it's for maybe, maybe 
it'll be under the Christmas 

1528
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:23,560
tree for you, John, but yeah, 
that's. 

1529
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:29,920
The way, if John's mom gives 
John that flag for Christmas, 

1530
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:34,920
does that mean I give John that 
flag because he one's mine? 

1531
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,920
So you're welcome, John. 
Thank you, Tyler. 

1532
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,520
Hey, I do I do have to brag 
though about heat one that. 

1533
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:41,960
Means a lot that. 
Means a lot. 

1534
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:46,920
He he one handled handled Rogue 
much better than the games it 

1535
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:50,800
was, yeah. 
No mess, no no bogs or nothing 

1536
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,400
like that. 
No, I think it slowed down a 

1537
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,480
little bit when they changed an 
event. 

1538
01:20:56,480 --> 01:20:59,200
I can't remember which one it 
was, but there were no crashes 

1539
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:03,840
that I was aware of. 
And you know, I I definitely 

1540
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,360
like the the ability for people 
to create their own groups. 

1541
01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:08,200
I don't know if you know how 
many groups were actually 

1542
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,120
creating. 
There were a lot it looked like.

1543
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,240
I need to ask Adam, but I think 
there were a few 100 and and 

1544
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:15,720
that's like that's exactly what 
we wanted. 

1545
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:17,800
So thank you everybody who 
participated. 

1546
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,440
Yeah, no, that was that. 
That was pretty cool. 

1547
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:29,080
All right, good show. 
Again, For those who did not win

1548
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:34,040
a free bag of Third Z, head over
to 3rd z.com. 

1549
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:39,600
If you use code BBS, you can 
save 20% and get your best 

1550
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:43,760
night's sleep ever. 
So thank you, everyone. 

1551
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,480
John, Tyler, any closing remarks
before we we shut this thing 

1552
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:50,480
down? 
No, I'm sorry. 

1553
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:52,120
I missed out on all the shows 
last week. 

1554
01:21:53,480 --> 01:21:55,040
It was. 
It was kind of expected. 

1555
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:57,360
We knew it. 
We knew it, even if you didn't 

1556
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:58,720
know it there. 
Will be more shows. 

1557
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:01,840
That's right. 
I thought you you said it runs 

1558
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,000
in my family and I thought you 
were for sure going to show me 

1559
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,440
that my dad had one and I was 
going to have to hear crap about

1560
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:08,800
that forever. 
Because. 

1561
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,360
He's he's, he's pretty. 
He's pretty smart with those 

1562
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,840
type of things too. 
And then you showed my mom and I

1563
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,680
could. 
I honestly could not believe it.

1564
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:19,840
You're you're not getting one, 
John. 

1565
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,400
It's going to be garage. 
It's OK. 

1566
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,600
All right. 
That's. 

1567
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,320
And if you're still watching, 
make sure you subscribe. 

1568
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:31,880
Hit the like button. 
I see you all, 50% of you guys 

1569
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,480
don't don't subscribe. 
So I'm. 

1570
01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:34,320
I'm watching you. 
It's. 

1571
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,560
Rude. 
It's rude. 

1572
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:40,480
Shout out to Melanie. 
I saw her at Rogue, she's a part

1573
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:46,200
of the JY Barbell Club. 
She came and seen me and we had 

1574
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:50,160
a a little barbell lesson. 
It was really fun so shout out 

1575
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:51,400
to her. 
I saw her in the comments, so 

1576
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,280
I'm just shouting her out. 
Awesome. 

1577
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:55,800
All right, 1999. 
Thanks Jack. 

1578
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:56,720
See ya.