Good evening everybody. Welcome to a bonus edition of
the Spin. It's May 10th Friday night.
Hopefully John Young will be here soon to join us.
He actually is setting up a new MacBook Air laptop.
So he has better technology. He's just trying to get it all
set up. So he is going to hopefully join
us if he can get that all working.
In the meantime, I wanted to jump on here tonight and discuss
the CrossFit Games allocations that just came out.
So yeah, we're going to open up the phone line here after I kind
of go through what is happening here, so you guys can weigh in.
But Travis. Yeah, Solo spin.
That's right. Kathy, good morning.
From Down under. I imagine everybody in Oceania
is pretty happy right now. So go back two days and.
Well, actually Vittorio. Yes, looking fresh.
Got a haircut. Also, if you notice, I am
wearing a CrossFit shirt. This is one of the Northern
Spirit shirts called the Smurf Shirt.
I don't know how I got it. I received the package in the
mail from from Northern Spirit and yeah, there was this shirt
in here. It is giant.
This is a size large and it is the biggest, heaviest shirt I've
ever owned. So if you're at one of the semi
finals, I I believe Northern Spirit will be at all of them.
Yeah, if it if it's your style, go for it.
Otherwise, you know, you can just watch me wear this crazy
huge thing. Yes, this is a large, like I am
6 foot tall. I am not Savant's size, and this
thing swallows me up. And Pedro actually commented he
has one too and said that it's like scuba material, like this
thing where Melanie, there's no chance I fill it out.
It is ridiculously huge. So yeah, going back to the
allocations, 2 days ago Boz was on our show and he offered up
one of an interesting thing that we really hadn't talked about
and that is the the number of allocations to the CrossFit
games for each semi final. And I had written some articles
the last couple months talking about how Oceanic could get an
extra spot the women. Also how possibly South American
women could get a spot. If it all worked out then Bosman
drops this. For you guys to we're going to
release the strength of field distribution on Friday.
On the show Live Cool. Right now.
So Friday, those are coming out and one thing I want to say
about that, you know we since we introduced that system, you know
people are always kind of asking what athletes are included in
that pool etcetera. And a lot of kind of criticism
around like OK, what about athletes that go team, what
about athletes that decline their invite, that sort of
thing. So this year we are going with
only athletes that are active participants in the individual
semi finals. So that means only athletes that
are competing in that division that have knocked on team are
not declined for some other reason.
So it'll truly be just the group of participants that are at that
semi final dictating how many spots that they get.
So there you go. And to be honest when Baz
mentioned that it didn't really register how big of an impact
that was going to be. Now I've done the calculations,
you know on the on the old format how it was done last year
and it basically just took the top 100.
If you competed in in quarter finals in the individual
quarterfinals you were gaining points and you would be included
in the worldwide rankings. And so even if you didn't
qualify when you were 99th in the worldwide rankings your your
rank then went into this the haunt method calculation and you
could help your region gain a spot.
And so like Matilda Garnes obviously going team this year,
she joined the did the individual quarterfinals I
imagine she did it and registered for it to help out
Europe. Now it didn't really matter and
so like that morning we started like I started looking at it and
I started talking with Halpin and he started doing some
calculations. John.
Hey, I'm on a different browser, I'm not on that different
computer, so if I start tripping out I'll go to my phone, OK?
All right. All right.
Well, thanks for joining. And so he was like I I'm getting
some weird results. Have you done the calculations
yet? And so I started kind of running
it my way and we got very, very similar answers.
And that's what you saw him post on Instagram yesterday.
And it was basically saying that look South America, Asia,
Oceania would be starting to get an extra spot and we felt pretty
confident about it. But until today we got the final
announcement and for sure like there's just one little blip in
the in the press release that was sent that look we're
changing it based off of if you compete, you know you're not
even changing. It's like it's just based off of
if you're in the in the semi final or not.
And what happens really is you start looking at these top 100.
You know, you go through the top 100 that was and you start
knocking off people like Paige, Powers, Nick, Matthew.
And you start going down the list and you start kind of back
filling with 101102103. And you start realizing that all
of those people who are back filling athletes who like Mal,
who aren't competing, like Ellie, who's dropped out, all
the team athletes, all the athletes that didn't qualify,
you start going down the list. Next thing you know, you're in
the two hundreds on the worldwide rankings that are now
the 100th person that counts in this list.
And just given how the calculations have worked, like
this shakes everything up. And now it gives the smaller
regions a much bigger impact into the season.
And so, you know, basically if you start looking at this, you
know, you look at the men, North America East has 11, North
America West has nine, Europe gets 10, South America with
three, Oceania with four, Asia with two and Africa with one.
On the women's side, American, North America East also get 11,
Europe gets 10, North America West down to 8, South America,
Asia both get three, Oceana gets four and Africa gets one.
And so when you look at it side by side from last year to this
year, basically what you see on the men's side is North America,
East and Europe both lose a spot and those go to Oceana and South
America. The women's side, North America
West loses 2, Europe loses one and those go to Oceana, Asia and
South America. So it is significant change to
what I was expecting just two days ago.
I think what everybody was and it definitely shakes up what our
season is going to look like. John, you saw the news, I'm sure
you saw what happened and put out yesterday we were talking
about initial reaction. I think the women are getting
hosed is. I don't think it makes that much
of a difference for the men. It is, and I mean it.
The East, the East, if anything in general.
I think the East in general is getting hosed, men and women.
But the women and the women overall, especially if you look
at the men, the people who got the extra spot, is Oceana and
South America correct? Yes.
And South America, like Kaike and Kalyan, they did the games
last year and they were fine. They weren't great, but they
were fine. You know the Kaike's got a
certain like send it way about them that like he can do some
things in some in some events, you know, and then ghee
obviously is a home run hitter through and through.
The extra spot in Oceana on a normal basis would be a good
thing, but they've got an abnormal amount of guys going
team or just not competing in individual.
But if you think about all of those guys, like you know they
have a big three right now with Ricky, Jay and Bailey.
And I mean, I think of guys like Roy stun James Newberry back in
the day, but not anymore. Like there's room for those guys
now. Maybe even Jake Douglas kind of
snipes his way in there again. So, like, I don't think it's the
end of the world for the men. Like what I'm saying is like,
the guys that end up coming in, they're not that much worse than
the guys that are like that would have gone there from the
East or or Europe, right? The women's completely
different. The women, the P, the girls that
are going to make it now are are irrelevant.
They were already irrelevant in Asia and South America.
No offense, y'all. You just are like you're not as
good at all. I'll take.
Listen, I am not a big Danny Spiegel fan, but I will take
Danny Spiegel over third place in South America all day every
day, right? Like like the girls in the West
are down to 8 now. So you're thinking like Bethany
Flores, Kyra Milligan, I mean, Kelsey kill Danny Spiegel like
those, that kind of echelon. All of those women are better
than #1 in Asia and South America.
By a lot, By a lot. So it's sucky.
I I wish they would adapt, adopt to get with the programming way
that they've kind of listed out where it's just quarterfinals in
the open. But I'm pretty sure that, I mean
that's going to show out like the West gets like 6 people,
like it's even worse on their side.
But if you know that going in, people would try much harder in
the Open and quarter finals, and I think it would, I think it
would bear different placings. Yeah.
Julian Iford, new YouTube member.
Thank you very much. Yeah, I want to get into each of
the regions here in a second. And also you see the phone line
is now open. So if you do have any comments,
want to want to weigh in, feel free to call.
We'll answer the phone call and get your thoughts and.
You're looking, and the European women too, they get one less
spot when the whole this whole year we've been talking about
how European women are dominating everybody.
And I mean not like the top of the top, but the after the top,
like 20 girls, Europe's got like 50 girls better than everybody
else after the top 20, right? And those girls are getting
hosed like the Jackie Dahlstrom's, the Jennifer
Muir's, the Claudia Glucks of the world.
Those girls are getting hosed for John Jung in Asia.
No offense. You are my Asian female
counterpart. I'm rooting for you all the way.
But you know I don't want you to get a pity vote, and that's what
you're getting. And I know it's based on
performance. So how are they getting a pity
vote? They're not.
It's based on performance. Those girls aren't going to be
as good. They are trash compared to the
girls that are there. You're taking the spots away.
From They just are. Yeah, I want to.
I want to address this one here. Eduardo Montero.
The rules are being respected. The quarterfinals are setting
the spots for semifinals. This is the sport evolution that
we are talking about. All right.
So and that's that kind of leads into the question I wanted to to
bring up is up until Baz shared that information on Wednesday,
we didn't even ask him about it. He brought it up.
Nobody knew about this. No.
Athletes, No. Coaches like Oh yeah for I need
to say this cause nobody like. Nobody else knows about it.
Like if if they had, if he had not said this like a few hours
ago, we would have been all been shocked at what's going on.
Like what's going on? How are you changing this?
Like like help and Headed would not have done the calculations.
Like we would have been hours behind trying to figure out what
is going on. And like I I hear you like the
rules. The rules are the rules, but
they're brand new to us. We've known this for 48 hours
and we have no idea when CrossFit made this decision, I
think. It's better than what they had
though. It is based on the people who
are competing and like if the outcome is worse, but I think
it's better than what they were doing and I think you're hung up
on the outcome and it is worse, it is worse, but it should be
based on the people competing. Yes, and the thing.
And like if you want to and like like the I honestly, I think
they get with the programming, the way they're doing it, the
way Hoppin wrote it up and like their whole thing.
I think that's the best way. That's the perfect way to do it
when they do their show tomorrow, right?
It's tomorrow or it's Monday. What's that?
When? They do.
Who's going to be who they would have as their the final people
that get in the games? Thought it was tomorrow, but I
could be wrong, OK? Well, when they do it, it is.
I think tomorrow at 12 or something like that.
I'm pretty sure it's going to bear out the same thing that the
games is doing right here, but worse I bet.
I think North America, West girls get like 6 girls and all
of those in Asia gets 3. But where it's a little bit
different and where I think it's way better is that all the girls
that are getting taken away go to Europe.
You know, like it's like the it's like Europe gets like 15
girls, right? And like that's how it should.
But, but they're performing right?
Like when you talk about both men and women in quarterfinals,
they're top 100 in the world, all 40 women.
But what? I'm saying is that's where the
difference is in the outcome. The same amount of women are
getting taken away from these good regions, but it's going to
women who have performed better. And somehow, and I what I'm
saying is the what CrossFit Games is doing, I think is
better than what they had. I don't think people competing
in team or who are retired should count towards your number
of people just because they did good in the past and they took
those people out. I think that's good of them.
The outcome is just worse. And I just think that's
unfortunate. I don't think that's it's hard
to complain about that. I think it's just unfortunate.
It is worse though. Those girls are way worse.
Chris Giles, but they needed to tell people before quarter.
So the one they were informed and two, incentivized, I don't
think, I don't think 2 is correct.
I think everybody was incentivized to do their their
best in quarter finals. I think one is definitely
important. You need to start telling people
before they start competing what they're actually doing.
I just don't think we know how these, how the structure is set
up like right, how many points you get in the opening quarter,
finals and then the semifinals, how that how the different
regions interact because the semifinals, the worldwide points
that you've got in the last, you know, two years, like how how
does a third place in South America compare to 13th place in
North America East? So what you're saying is there
should be some type of a multiplier for the better
regions. I I don't know like they did.
They obviously they were different, right?
Like they gave more points to North America East 3rd place
versus South America third place, but we just don't know
how that kind of works as athletes shuffle in and out and
things like that. Like the problem with North
America with the big three regions is you have a lot of
turnover, you have a lot more new athletes coming in and you
have a lot of athletes stepping away.
Whereas in some of these developing regions, they're the
same athletes like South America had the same top five.
They're still in quarter finals and individuals, right?
And they're all with the semi finals.
You don't have that in the big three like they're going team
they're somewhere quitting retiring whatever injured and
it's it's mixing this up and and I don't know what this looks
like if they if they don't change it next year.
Do we see even more athletes from the smaller regions
starting to get the restart. Africa was very close like they
needed five people right. You need five people in the top
100 to get an extra spot. Africa had four and their fifth
was like 108th, so they were very close to getting the second
spot, the. Multiplier is not what the
multiplier needs to be more. They they need to figure out how
how that multiplier looks, maybe based off of what your quarter
final performance is or something like that, because
it's all been arbitrary like CrossFit has set this up without
really having enough historical data to make real decisions off
of it. Can you not somewhat just one
for one in the world? Well, the problem is you have
each semifinal. It gets their own points, right?
And so now what? I am.
What I'm saying is you just get points based on your world
times. Yeah, but the but then you have
the magic. Sometimes you get the magic
carpet right. So everybody in, everybody in
Oceana gets way ahead because they have a better for one.
Event. I get it.
But if you start weighing all those out next, you know you
have Oceania way ahead of other regions because they've got they
they're all the top, you know, 40 in the world.
And then you have North America East that's getting hosed and
they're way in the back and they can't make up that ground.
It's a really tough way to to do that.
And now you have the run that's outside.
We can't, we're not going to be able to compare those either
either. You know, more turns, slightly
different distances. Yeah, it's going to be kind of a
mess. Do you think it would be
unprofessional to be like if you if you do not have somebody in
the top 30 then you lose a spot? At the games, yeah.
'Cause I think there should be something like that.
Like you can get spots based on your performance in the, you
know, before the games, but ultimately you want the fittest
40 people there. You want diversity, but you want
the fittest 40 people there. You want to mesh the best of
those two worlds, right? Like if you don't have somebody
in the top 30, then whatever you got, it's going to be -1 unless
it's and then you can cap it at one or two, right?
You can always cap it at 1:00 and then whatever, right?
So if they're at, if they're at like you take Asia for instance,
Asia has three people and then. If they send it and they're all,
you know, 37th, 38th, 39, because that's what they're
going to be. I'll say I could probably
finish. She'll finish in the 20s.
She'll be the 37th the like, then you get minus, then you get
-1. So when they're three next year,
it's only two, and then that spot will go to the next person.
I mean, that's something to consider for sure.
All right, here we go, caller. Hello.
Yes, go ahead.
Who? Who we got here?
We got Burton. Burton, welcome to the spin.
Appreciate it. I got a thought.
You're you're debating how to get so many people across the
world. Why don't you treat it like the
Boston Marathon? Have qualifying scores.
You do your quarter final workout.
If you get qualifying scores in the top X of the world, that
gets you a spot in two semi finals for your region.
So then you're basing it off of equal scoring in equal setting
in quarter finals. That gets you to X number of
spots, then into the games and semi finals for your region
because you have qualifying scores.
You can't do it for semi finals because there's different
venues, different magic carpets, etcetera.
But if you're doing it at quarter finals, everyone set up
the same everyone. Video standards judged should
be. And then you base it off of that
to make it as fair as you can. Because doing this magic formula
isn't fair to anybody because how does it apply?
But if you have qualifying scores, you get it, then go
ahead and get your spots for your region and incentivize you.
It's easy. Major marathons do it and
everybody wants in and it it manages to work.
I think the difference though is when you run a marathon,
everybody's running 26.2 miles and everybody is not doing the
same. I don't think you can do that
online. I'm against that online I.
Mean Could you do? That at a semi finals then like
the semi finals are tough and you can't make it the same.
It sounds a lot like what Chase doesn't get, what the
programming system is right? Like it's based off of current
year performance at the quarter finals and that?
Way you get European, like did European women get rewarded
because they have those qualifying scores that are so
deep they didn't knock out some of those non qualifying scores?
Thank you, Burton. And how?
Would you? OK.
Is this your mind? Nope, Nope.
I just go ahead. I mean Burton's.
Burton's idea in the. Qualifying scores, then?
Well I I think it, I think it I don't want to say qualifying
scores. I think it's more of how do you
do in quarterfinals determines how many.
I mean I think it goes straight to what Chase is saying is look
at current year performance on how you do it.
Quarterfinals take the top 100 in the world right your your the
the quarterfinals worldwide leaderboard.
That's your top 100 now due to haunt based off of that like
obviously Chase. Chase adds the Chase adds the
Open as a third score and he has two in the quarterfinals.
What if we just look at the quarterfinals?
I mean it's a similar very. I like using the.
Open to make it matter then. Because then the open does
matter. And I get it, it the
programming's wildly different. It's it's cardio city.
Europe loves it. Go Europe.
But I I, I like the Open being in it too, because that way the
best of the best are trying their hardest.
And like we don't have that right now.
I think the only way we have that is if Taylor dies and if
we're like, hey, watch us kill Taylor over and over again,
those people try their hardest. But everybody else, like, it's
kind of like there's no incentivization unless you're
gone and unless you're trying to win.
Yeah, I I mean, again, Chase's. Chase's system shows it and is
really drives home who is doing the best this current year and
mentally is confused. Is it based off athlete
performance this season, or is it athlete performance in
previous seasons dictating this year's allocation?
It's actually two years of data. So it's actually starts in 2022
semifinals, the 22 games, all of the 23 season and then this
year's open in quarter finals accumulate points based off of
that and then you go find the top 100 who are registered for
individual semi finals now. So it's a little bit of both,
but it's heavily weighted on prior years.
And so again, oh, here we go, Hiller, hold up, weren't we
complain last year that it was impossible for the smaller
countries to ever get more spots?
So whatever then. Now they have more spots.
Good. Go ahead, Brian, I.
Think you do have a problem than I do.
It was only a problem for Africa.
The other regions had it. I think this, I don't think the
system. I'll answer that here in a
second. Here we go, caller go.
Ahead caller. Stan, Yes.
Are you guys on the semi finals or what?
You keep ignoring me in the chat and it's kind of hurting me.
I feel sad. Who we got here?
What? You don't have my numbers here,
he. Said, he said.
Are you going to semi finals? Oh, I am not.
I will not be. Yeah, are.
You in the semi finals I. Will not be at semi finals.
Rather not. You, John.
No, Sir. Not that I cared.
Oh, what? What's the hurt of me?
Nick. Wow, I'm sitting.
I'm sitting. No, we will not be at and I
have. No opinion about the semi final
spots, I'm sorry. Or the the game spots.
I'm I'm a meme page. I'm not.
I don't have smarts like that. I leave that up to to you guys.
So you're OK with Asia getting 3?
No, but no. I.
Mean. Just because you do have a
mobside. Team, Does that mean?
Well, yeah, but it's not. I mean, it's just based off of
nothing, really. I mean it.
You know Jamaica, Do they have a bobside team?
Should they go to the Olympics every year just just cause, just
'cause they have one or or should we get the the best
bobsled teams to the Olympics? Probably get the best if.
You told me, I don't know, Classic movie was going to come
out about that third Asian Crossfitter.
I'd be for it. I mean, there you go.
There you go. Then I'll be invested.
I'll change my mind. The the Olympics don't even have
the best athletes, right? Like that's why you have a
Jamaican. Bobsled team there.
Right, Like it gets the. Olympics, The best athletes and
every weight lifter would be Chinese.
They had to limit it because the Chinese had the best lifters in
the world and they only could have told them that you can only
send 4. Right.
Yeah. So, but, but at the end of the
day, you still. Yeah.
But I guess. You still get the podium, right
I. I guess my question my my
question is is like why? Why do we have to be inclusive
to the other countries? Is is it to grow CrossFit or is
it? But what's the reason other than
just being for the sake of being inclusive, 'cause if it's to
grow CrossFit, then I I don't agree with that, 'cause you know
the the CrossFit will grow on its own, naturally.
If if they know what they're doing with it, you don't use the
game spots. You know, I I don't.
You know, you don't use the game spots to grow CrossFit, I don't
think. I I mean, I I think you have to
host each region, right? Like you got to have something
there to give people access to get to it.
I just think it needs to be more performance based.
And I just I I think this system that they have implemented does
not. We don't have, we don't know how
it interacts and how it will be an iteration year after year and
then you change it. Yeah.
How it's not performance based. Yeah, because they've set up
arbitrary points. They've set up arbitrary points
for semi finals, right. Like we talked about it earlier,
like, why does North America East 3rd place get so many
points versus Asia's third place?
So it's. An invalid amount of points.
If you get 15th in North America East, you should get the same
amount of points as third place and we.
Just don't. We just don't know how how it
works. And now we're starting to see
when you change it to only the athletes who are we don't, we
don't have enough scenarios to be able to run right.
Like you need multiple years of this to be able to see like,
hey, the point system that we have implemented is going to
work. They ran it off of two years,
made the system realize probably that zero regions are ever going
to get something else. Let's change it.
And then all all these small regions start getting it.
And for anybody to argue that Europe is in the like Europe
should not get an extra spot is crazy that.
Europe, Europe should lose a spot to Asia.
Right. I think it's.
More. Yeah, and that's really where it
gets the crux of it. Yeah.
And I and I know you guys are more savvy with the numbers and
everything, but like it, like you said, if you know this is,
you know, if they're going to change it every year, then then
none of this is ever going to work.
But like you said if in a couple years this might pan out
differently but the the problem is a consistency and nobody
knows how it works. And and I don't know like and I,
and I'm not you know, smart with the numbers or anything, but I
know like a lot of you guys are and it's just kind of funny how
some guy in their spare time can come up with a better system
than what they have and and kind of be consistent with it.
And. It is just frustrating.
I think it's. Hard to beat that man and.
Well, not even department. You know even even Tyler Barclay
help and all those guys they they all you know and I'm sure
spin you could even come up with something themselves and it's
just like you guys are doing it in their spare time as a as a
side gig coming up with better systems than whoever at CrossFit
is putting something together. I I don't know who, but it it's
just it's funny. Yeah, yeah, Thanks Nick.
And no, we will not. Well, we will not be at semi
finals, but we'll try not to ignore.
Yeah, well that sucks. Maybe next year.
All right. Thanks, Dave.
Ldy. So we lose Danny Spiegel to an
Asian girl. It's.
Possible, but it could be my Asian counterpart.
Just saying to answer, I want to go back to Hitler's question
because we didn't answer it. I think the reason why Brian is
up in arms is because it's not the way they currently did it.
He don't. He does not think that the
people earned those spots that they currently have.
And so if if I keep saying her name and I'm sorry, girl, if you
listen to the podcast and you are a fan, I'm sorry we keep
bringing you at the expense of this.
But if Dejuan Jung, like if Truly is truly bet better than
Danny Spiegel, then she's deserving of that spot and she
should go. Brian is saying the next 10
girls after Danny Spiegel are better than Juan Jung.
And honestly, probably the next 20.
Same for the East. Same for the girls in Europe.
Sarah Sigmund's daughter would run rough shot on Dejuan Jung.
All right, who's the 3rd girl you want to throw in South
America? Seung Joan Choi, That's.
That's Asia, South America. And where South America?
South America. Amanda Fusima.
Fusima. Yeah, you don't know who Amanda
Fusima is. No, Amanda Fusima gets in
Hiller. It's not.
She didn't earn it. It's just some weird the way the
equation works. She gets in and that girl is not
better than whoever you want to throw in Europe or the Europe or
the East or the West. Because E lost 1, E lost 1, W
lost two and Europe lost one, right?
Yes. One went to Oceana.
I don't think we can. I don't think we have a problem
with that. On the men's side, yes, Women's
side this year, no. Well.
It's not always like that, man. We usually have Ellie Turner
over there, but. Even even with Ellie, I'm not
sure the women justified. I mean the men 4th place Oceana
for the men. Peter Ellis.
Zach Martin. Yeah, I mean Zach Thomas.
Jack Thomas, sorry. We just don't know how they're
gonna do like I I think I'm a little bit more OK with that
just because of how strong the top three Oceano men are and to
get you know like it's it you you as a as that next tier you
don't have a chance right because those guys are so good.
We don't have that in in Asia and or or.
South America, right? And and my whole point when I
was talking about Africa last year of not being able to get an
extra spot, it was like what if we have two Matt Frazier's in
Africa, the second one would never get an opportunity to do
it. There's zero chance to get
there. We need a better system where
they can get it. And I think you hit the, you hit
it right is that I don't think at this point those regions, all
these people. Aren't earning it.
They're not deserving it. They're not better than the
people that are going to not be able to go.
And if they were, then spin's all for it.
Right, 100% but. They're not.
And I mean, and it's going to make for a worse games, a more
diverse games, but the last five spots are all going to be from
Asia and South America. Right.
Bet money. So I want to go back to your
picks, John. Yeah, let's see who doesn't get
in and who does. Right.
Give me a second here. Guess who's getting in?
Duon, John. All right, Europe loses one.
Oh no, Luca. Luca, Luca's out.
Oh. No.
And then on the West to the. Magda, I want to take annual,
annual Akai out and then just put Luca where he's at and then
Tudor's fine, You can take Tudor out.
Is that right? There's.
Let me see. Chris, why do you hate Hadi
Kanyo? Maybe she's the next thing
coming, huh? Yeah, so the the men.
Oh, so no. Tudor's still good Kiefer.
Kiefer agrees with me. See, I said.
I'm moving them up. Kiefer, I hope you took note.
Always try to put words in my mouth.
So it's only the North, America, East and Europe men are out.
So Luke is out. And Luke Parker, Luke Parker.
Luke Parker. Luke Parker.
That's right, you sounded. So Asian, Asian, we've.
Been talking about the one junk young so long, Luke.
Parker. Luke Parker, He is out.
All right. And you're.
Going to You're going to give it to some somebody in.
You're going to give it to who in South America?
Kayake Kalyan. I think Kalyan Sousa.
And then in Oceana you got Peter Ellis, Zach Thomas, I.
Think I I want to give it to Zach Thomas?
I think so. I think it's Zach Thomas, Yeah.
There is Luke Paca. So yeah, I mean, that's that's a
tough one. So, but again, I do not and not
Luka Dukic. And I'm going to, I'm going to
substitute annual Akai and and Luka Dukic.
Yeah, one of those guys. Yeah, I think, I think the men
again, the regions aren't that different, right?
Like I trade Luka in for Kaike, or Kalyan trade Luka Paca for
Lukapaka for Zach Thomas. Yeah, probably.
Giving up a little bit on that, but not, I would say the
difficulty to get into Oceania's top three is way harder than
North America East. So have you.
Seen Kaike serve any like if it's Kaike Kaike's basically
Spanish Luke Parker. Like they look very similar
their body types. Not as an athlete.
I'm just saying they look, they look similar.
Maybe Ding Dong. Let's see, let's hear it.
Caller, welcome to the spin. I just want to see if this
number still work. Sure does.
You guys look good. Who we got here?
John, John, you got to tell me. What's up?
Does Yolo folo make it? Does our girl make it in?
I think, I think I need to know, John.
I think Yolo Folo makes it. The East loses one she she's got
room to spare. Man.
Shelby Neal's on the cut line. Yolo Foley.
It's All I. Wanted to call a.
Last minute send on the bike for sure.
Good. All right, that's all.
I was hanging on by a thread. I needed to know if our girl
Erica. Polo's going to make it in Yolo
polo. That's.
The one that tests the number, You guys look good.
Appreciate it. Thank you all.
Right boys. See ya is.
That. Is it Chase?
What's that was? That chase.
I don't think so. He sounds way different.
Oh. Man, I think it is Chase.
Is it? I think so.
You weren't picking up on it. That's why I'm asking you it.
Was Chase the phone? The phone quality isn't is does
it? Does it bring out it?
Does change the voice a little bit for sure.
For sure. So North America East does not
lose a spot, John. So full O is in good shape.
So going to the women, Europe lose 1 and North America West
lose too. So Kelsey Girl, Kelsey and
Bethany are out and 3rd are out and then you're going to go add
in Dejuan Young somebody out there in Oceana.
Julia Hannaford, Julia. Hannaford in Oceana and South
America. I don't think you think you can
name the third the 4th person. They don't get four, do they?
They just get 3. Oh no, really.
Get three. Yeah.
Yeah, that's right. That was my projection.
I put. I already put that in there.
So Oceana 4 Asia Three I'm. So bummed out.
I'm going to have to change that again.
Kelsey's my girl. All right, you get, you get it.
Chris, we're taking Hattie Conyo out.
He's out. We're taking out.
A car. Y'all look else to kill up
there. I like how I've changed them so
quick, just by who I want to make it sometimes.
Oh, wait, so these are 9. This is 9.
So Bethany Flores is out. Oh yeah, so now we're good.
Now we're good. But Kelsey?
Kelsey stays in. Last minute send on the bike.
Good. Don't do my girl Hattie like
that. You're good Hattie.
I'm just messing. I would we're.
Actually going to lose 1 from North America East 'cause I had
12 in there, so Annika is gone. Last person out again.
She's out. She.
She misses by one again. So we're missing.
We're losing Annika Greer, Bethany Flores and Turi Helga.
Daughter 2 Juan Jung, Julia Hannaford and Julie and Julia
Kado no. We're just, we're just losing 2.
We're just losing Bethany and Annika and we're going to throw
two and I thought we'd lose. One in Europe.
No, we we got the Europe, OK. OK.
They get safe, they keep it 10, so Asia Oceana get theirs.
So we're going to take Bethany out, we're going to throw in
Dejuan Young and we're going to take Annika out and we're going
to throw in Julia Hannaford. If Dejuan Young makes it, does
chase accidentally, say John Young Don.
Kong. It's.
Week 1 so it it. Would make my day.
Yeah, the The CrossFit Podcast is going to be amazing on Friday
when Dejuan Young goes and crushes the run and makes all
the highlights out in Asia. John Young's been working on his
running. I see.
She crushes it. I mean, when you think about
those, those substitutions, Bethany for Dejuan, Annika for
Hannaford, like the men, we didn't think it was that big of
a deal. Do you think about the same for
the men? The women you mean for the?
Women, yeah. No, I think it's a huge deal for
the women. Annika and Bethany are miles
above Dejuan Young. Maybe not.
Julie, I think they're better
than Julia Hannaford. But Julia Hannaford's got some
home runs. She's a little bit kind of like
Anika grew a little bit like she flourishes in gymnastics.
She's kind of a short. She's short and stocky, right?
But Ionica's still a better athlete than her.
But not by a ton. But Bethany Flores is miles
above both of those girls. And it's going to.
Be if Bethany had a good back, she'd be top four.
Top five. Yeah, Yeah.
She'd be top 15 at the games. Wait, and you don't even say
Bethany? I guess Bethany's just a girl
that I have up there. You can say Olivia Kurstetter.
Danny Spiegel. You know what I mean?
This makes it really tough for Kurstetter.
Dan Spiegel, Dan. Spiegel like you can like you
throw. Let's say Kelsey kills the one
out like all of those girls. Kyra Milligan.
Howdy Konyo. I think after that you're pretty
safe. I think for the West, you have
the top four, and I think those girls are just going to be fine.
Home runs and not home runs, but you're going to be fine after
that. It's a rough shot of who
executes the best, and I think all of those people are better
than Duon Jung and honestly, Julia Hannaford.
I'm not as mad about the Julia Hannaford piece because she
will, she will make, she will be relevant at the games.
It's in some events and that's all that I want.
I want somebody, if you're in the last places or you're like
not as fit as the other people, I want you to have some type of
a home run ability that you're going to make noise in a couple
events and then you're just not as fit on the others.
So Seema cannons. So is Chase going to save the
day again and stream Friday? I don't.
It's a. Great question.
It's a very good question. After the yesterday's press
release from CrossFit came out about the live stream and Friday
being on the CrossFit Games podcast hosted by Chase in week
one, Adrian will take over in weeks two and three.
It was very unclear. It said recaps and highlights,
but it also sounded like they would have a whole bunch of
guests on to join Chase and Adrian.
I asked CrossFit for clarification on it.
Like what? What does that actually mean?
Like, are they going to be live streaming the final heat of each
team and an individual, or they're just live streaming the
whole thing, just, you know, on on the Games podcast, kind of
like it was last year? I don't know yet, Chase.
Gave a little emoji, guy. Yeah, I mean, it was so, I mean
to this, it looks like he'll be streaming something.
I just don't know if it's just Chase and then some guests
joining Chase. I would not want to be him
freaking. Running event.
Yeah, you're gonna be on a 30 minute, 30 minute by yourself.
Guys go out, run for 3-4 minutes, nothing to talk about.
Then they come in for a minute. Yeah, but you know, he'll be
streaming it to one of our podcasts.
It'll be just me shooting like with with whoever, you know,
I'll just be talking like I do. Yeah, but and then and then
guys, and then guys will come in and start lifting weights and
then I'll be like, yeah, when I did this, I was that fast, but I
wasn't fast on the run. You know, it'll be stuff to talk
about. I just if it's just up to chase
and it starts at 9:00 AM and it goes till five, like that's a
long day for one person, right. So like even if you're only
doing the final heat like you're jumping on and off the whole
time, I don't know how it's going to flow.
I don't know what we can expect we'll get some type of coverage.
I just, you know, I think everybody kind of expected all
of the regions to stream, but the all, all four, all three
days. Do you think on Friday we talk
about, you know, the run with Danny Spiegel, Olivia
Kurstetter. I'll throw Kelsey Keel in there.
Kyra's not the best runner. Has she been trotting?
I'm sure, Kelsey, I'm sure, Olivia, I'm sure they've all
been trotting trying to get better.
Do we do. We think we will know whether
there any of them are just out of the picture at the end of
event one date on Friday. No, you can always make up
Crown. I think.
What's the? Worst.
What's the worst? Place, it's pretty rough, but I
think if there were more, if it was the east, I would say 100%,
but it's not the East. So like, I think you can just
count the force the top four spots, just count them out, OK
And then it's anybody's game for the next.
Was it 3 I? Would say 3.
I'd say Alex, Eric 5. Five, Yeah, yeah, the top five.
Yeah, fusole. I'm not sure.
I'd say that's a lock. Just wait for the legless rope
climb work out and that's all you need to know.
All right, all right. The I've and fusole is not the
best runner either. But I I think she just, I think
she'll have home runs though where she'll be.
She's fit enough, I think, versus these other girls is what
I'm saying. I think after the top five,
though, it's the those four spots are up for anybody.
And a lot of those people fighting for those four spots
are not good runners, right? Like you just named them all and
they're all fighting for those spots.
If they all finished poorly, they're going to be better than
the rest of the field, right? So you don't think there's
anybody else in the North America West that takes
advantage tell? Me, who exactly?
Well, let's go. Let's go look at the field real
quick. Look at the Quarter Finals
leaderboard. Like, it's kind of funny that
there's a lot of poor runners in this region that are that are
very, very fit. So the top five are your top
five Hattie is 6th Gabrielle spenced Devon Kim Tell.
Me about those Gross. Devin Kim was on the the
Invictus team that won, but her back is basically broken.
She did squat cleans for the heavy squat cleans for the first
time and I don't know how long a couple days ago.
So she did well in quarterfinals, but she got to
show that she can move heaviest, moderate weight there is.
What? OK, I guess what I'm saying is
there. Sydney Michelachan.
Yeah, Sydney Michelachan can make some noise, but like, she's
kind of an even keel person, you know what I mean?
Where she'll just get like 7th and a whole bunch of things but.
Emily White She did well last year.
She was. Close last year.
No, no. It's a different year.
I don't know. The none of these girls just
stand out as like, yeah, they're, they could take
advantage of this and then they're going to beat the other.
They're going to stay ahead of the other girls, like everybody
that you just showed me are going to be equally as bad on
the snatch ladder. So like what kind of what I'm
thinking is like the really poor runners, as long as they're not
last, like if they get 30 out of 40, they can make up everything
on that snatch, workout, everything.
And then I think we'll have a good idea after event two, like
after event two, if you're, I think you can call, hey, people
are going to be out, you know what I'm saying?
Because event two is all legs. Andrea did not accept her
invite, so she. Is out.
Trista Trista's not there yet, I don't think.
There we go, Barkley, Dale. What sucks is that the receding
after one event so that the earlier so they'll be in the
earlier heats when their fitness puts them in later heats so.
That that second day though what workouts we have, we have
workout two workout. Three toes the bar, front
squats, and then you have What's the rope climb?
Rope climb, yeah. And then that's it.
Yeah, you have 456 in the next day the.
Last day. OK.
So. So they'll they'll reseed after
the first event for Saturday. You'll do the two events on
Saturday, Sunday, you'll do 2 events, 4:00 and 5:00, and then
they'll reseed for that last one again.
That's fun. So yeah, Kenneth, the lab,
Devin, my back hurts too much through teams, but I'll do
individuals. Kim, I honestly and like and
like that that was a, that was an Invictus decision.
I don't think that was Devin's decision.
Like CJ makes the decisions over there, but that's a machine over
there for teams. She's still on the team, she
just moved to the alternate, but they.
They don't. Say that here's your team.
Go for it like CJ. Martin is in charge.
They make the team decisions. You're kind of at the mercy of
that at times. I'm going to say here's why I'm
so. Down on Devon Kim, and I know a
lot of people are high on Devon Kim.
I know a lot of people think she's going to do really good,
though. Like, Brian's not the only one
that's high on Devon Kim. He might be the highest but but
a lot of people think she's going to make it.
But my thing about her, I think. 95% of the people.
Who do team is because they're not good enough to do individual
and they know and they know it and then so they'll take a
running individual and I've never seen her in an individual
competition be good like be be like as good as these other
girls right. I don't like you don't like.
No, Kyra's not going to rogue and lighten up the world.
But Kyra had a couple of victory.
Like who the freak is this little girl doing stuff?
Like, you know what I mean? Like then I've never seen that
from Devin Kim once. You can tell me about your
training all you want. You can tell me about your team
all you want. I'm glad that you won.
You're great. But until you can show me an
individual that you're something which I know I got had to Kanye
win. And she ain't showing nothing
either. But I I it's almost like a
vendetta then, right? If people are high on this girl,
I've never seen it. So I am low on her and I'm all
and that's how I'm going to remain until she shows me that
she's can do something. Yeah, it's a it.
It's a much different atmosphere, lot different
competition. When you're out there on your
own, having to fight for it versus being something bad
happens, right? How you can.
Recover from it. Can you send it when you need to
send it? It's just you can you send it on
the bite or you know, I'm not just saying the last event, but
like it's wildly different. Some people come clutch and some
people don't. And I I do think the Barclays.
Point after a first event like the final heat on Day 2 on
Saturday, is going to be interesting, like it may not.
Be the top ten that you. Definitely won't be the top ten
that you see. At the end of the day, I think
you're going to see some of those.
Athletes that can. Run really fast.
Get a sneak in there above Kerstetter, Danny Spiegel.
Some of those stronger athletes who will then make their way
back and fight their way up the rest of the time.
So for the record, with Kerstetter, people, people are.
Asking about Kerstetter. I want her to make it.
I've just been really down on her ever since I saw her at
Waterpalooza. At Waterpalooza she was, she was
bad straight up and that wasn't that long ago and so like.
Maybe maybe. She's much better and and she
kills it. She'll be great in the snatch
clatter, you know, awesome. I think she'll do OK in event
two. I think rope climbs might be
tough. Well, yeah, event one and event
three I think. Might be tough, but I just have
been down in her since Water Palooza and that's all I'm going
to say. I I couldn't put.
I couldn't put her to make it because I was so down on her at
Water Palooza. Yeah, John.
No, we're not going. Sorry.
Listen, I'm going to go to the games and.
That's the only thing I'm going to.
I'm not sure I'll even do that. Well, yeah, spin can take care
of me. Spin, Spin can't get me to the
games and I won't be going to the games, but I'll, I'll do
what I can. Hopefully, Hopefully.
That all works out. I got.
To run here. Jake Felton is wataplu is a good
indicator that's still being that it's still offseason for
elites. It's OK if you do great.
In it, it's not an indicator that you're going to do great at
the games, but like if you're really bad in it.
I would argue that offseason competitions are a good
indicator if you do very poor. If you do good in them, you know
you're a little bit more piqued than everybody else or you're
like so many scenarios can go into somebody being better than
somebody at the top. But if you are poor compared to
everybody else, then compared to where we think you should be,
then you know I. Think I think it's more of an
indicator. Of poor performances than good
performances in offseason competitions.
Yeah, maybe I'm wrong on that, but I that's just how I feel.
I mean, you look at Paige last year.
She goes and wins water. Palooza goes and moves up to the
board. Finishes 10th right?
Like you can get You can see trends but it's not the end all
be all right Like Luke Parker did terrible I think both years
right? And he did fine last year at the
games he made, made the games the first time, so he was like
27th or something like that did. Did fine.
Yeah, and so. And I think he was a little
dinged up, if you watch Hiller's video from last year.
So is it exactly the the best? No, But watch this year, we'll
see how Jack Farlow does like he had a great wadapalooza.
Jack Parlow, yeah, Jack Parlow. So I think it shows that they
have potential, like they they're starting to put some
stuff together and of course you have to do the same when it
comes to semi finals in the games and injuries.
Can't clarify really quick with Barkley.
It's it's making me mad. When it when it comes to like
the top of the top. OK, Velner B Adler at Rogue.
Velner's not going to beat Adler at the games, That's what I'm
saying. Where it doesn't, it doesn't.
It's not a good predictor as far as like the top positions, which
if you do good, you're talking about the top positions, right?
Like Roman was kind of bad at Rogue.
Roman's going to be awesome at the games and he wasn't great at
Wadapaloozo and he right. He wasn't great at Wadapaloozo
War Rogue, and he's. Going to be awesome at the games
top two, at least top three like like without.
A doubt, I would bet. $1000 on it and he and he might win, you
know. That's, that's what I'm saying.
The top of the top If Gabby Macawa beats Laurel Horvath in
Dubai CrossFit Championships, guess what?
She's not going to beat her at the games.
It's not a good predictor. That's what I'm talking about.
Well. But I do think it's.
A good predictor if you do poor at the.
Games. If you do pour those offseason
things, at least it's something that I'm going to look at.
Well, John, thanks for jumping on.
On. Your Friday night last minute
notice computer made it all the way through with no issues.
Of course, I didn't even need this new computer, no.
But thank you. Thank you for the new computer.
Sivan. Yeah, Sivan, thank you Do.
You have your new TV up yet? No, I got the I.
Think it's supposed to come the 16th.
This came in like literally 5 minutes before the podcast
starts. And that's why I like, that's
why I was so late. I was like, oh, I'll set this up
now. It turns out it takes a long
time to set up. Yeah.
For anybody wondering, go look. At John's Games Mountain, it
explains everything and we'll we'll have an update show after
the. Semi finals on the mountain.
Yeah. Thanks everybody for joining.
We'll see you back here next Wednesday, same time, same
place. And we'll go through everything,
all things Europe, because we're definitely the experts at Europe
and give our all of our picks so you can fill out your heat One
app and try to win some money and maybe even some tickets to
the games. So see you on Wednesday.