Double waffled up in your. There it is.
Double Waffle, John. Is that how do you guys eat
waffles? Not like that with a damn fork,
you freaking. Well, I think we're live.
So John is starting to show off pretty solidly.
Good evening everybody. Wednesday, November 29th, got a
couple couple things to talk about today.
We got the Down Under championship coming up this
weekend down in Wollongong, Australia.
So we'll walk through the athletes, do some previews and
walk through the the the workouts that I know John is a
big fan of. Maybe get some some guesses as
to who will do well in that. We'll then talk about only
lifting in CrossFit competitions.
Are we seeing too much of it? And then we'll wrap up with some
PFAA and the WZA. So thanks for joining.
Where's Rambler? Is is Jr.
Rambler. He worked too hard today.
There was too much going on. I know there's been a lot of
shows on today. Hopefully everybody caught
Pedro's, Pedro's new show. That was a good one.
I think he's a a friend because when I was on Savant's show
today, Rambler did not show up until until I said his name.
So he's like, I don't know if you all remember this, but there
was a supposedly Rambler is also yellow.
Yellow was a character in Simon's thread for a while and
he wouldn't show up until you said his name either.
So. Jr. man three times he's beat
him here so. I don't know if that's something
that you should strive for. Jr.
Beat Rambler on that J Rs Here to win no matter what it is.
What if Jr. is Rambler? No.
I think he's out for. Randy, he's got a split
personality and we have bigger problems.
All right, down under championship, down in
Wollongong, we got some athletes that are, we have Caitlin
Vanzill. She's withdrawn this this week
due to a hernia. Sarah Sigmund's daughter had a
lower leg injury. She's withdrawing.
But we still do have a a pretty solid roster, especially on the
women's side. So want to walk through that and
then kind of walk through the the workout.
So 22 men, 20 women are in the elite competition.
Jake Douglas and Emily Deroy are the two athletes that competed
in the 2023 CrossFit Games as an individual.
And then we also have seven men and 10 women who were in semi
final competitions, not just in Oceana.
Christina Liva Todakis from Africa, she's in there and I
think there's one from United States as well.
All right. So you have on the men's side
kind of the roster, the main guys, I think that will be in
the running. You can kind of see where they
did in 2023, but Jake Douglas, Peter Ellis, Kim and 5th and
Zach Thomas and 7th, Isaac Newman and 8th and Zane, Sheila,
Bear, Healy and 14th. On the women's side, Emily
Deroy, Christina, Liva Dukakis. I don't even know how to
pronounce her name, but she got fourth in Africa.
Maddie Sturt, Grace Walton, Georgia Pryor, Julia Hannaford,
Annika Greer, Amy Kringle and then a last minute edition
Taylor Williamson. So from team proverb and then
you also have Marty Sykes. She was on the Mayhem team from
Australia that competed. So the women's side definitely
has quite a few bigger names there, but and on the team side,
a little bit of a change. Ricky Gerard, he was with Benny
and Spencer Panchak, but now it's just Ricky and a couple
other guys who are local to Australia.
Noah Olson, Chandler Smith and Tola Marquinho are the hombre
hombres. That's such a great name.
And Jay Crouch, Bailey Martin and Royce Dunn are Team Frog
Grips. That's the fun team.
Is it bad that the team is more exciting?
Teams are more exciting than the individual.
No. This is what Tyler wants, Tyler.
Wants. I love it.
Like he wishes America was like that.
He wishes the Games was like this.
Yes, it would be. Before you get to the, before
you get to the individual side, the the team side, who who do
you like better in this one? This is tough, I think.
What do you I mean, what do you all think?
I think I would say the hombre hombres.
Unfortunately, I would love the Australians to win of 13 frog
grips, but I mean, Noah Olson and Chandler have shown that
they're very, very good together on a team.
Usually it's Travis Mayer is the other teammate of theirs, but
they picked Tola and like Royce, Dunn is extremely strong.
So it's like Jay and Bailey picked a strong guy.
Well, Tola's stronger. So like I, you know the stuff
that Royce is good at, Tola is also good at.
Like Royce is very good at walking on his hands and he's
very strong. Tola is very good at walking on
his hands and extremely strong. I would, I think Royce is a
fitter individual, but he's not as fit as Noah or Chandler.
Jay Crouch is as fit as them, Bailey, Martin probably so too.
I just think they work together better as a team and I've never
seen the other three guys together.
So I would say hombre hombres, but I think it's going to be
between them too the whole time and it wouldn't shock me at all
about if I'm just going to call them Team Australia because
that's what they are as far as you know, teams that matter and
I would rather them win the Noah and Chandler, but I see Noah and
Chandler are going to win. I like frog grips a little
better, I think you had. They're like on the hombres.
They're like polar differences in fitness types, Cola and
Chandler being really, really strong and I think less
enduringly fit. And then Noah like it's just a
fitness machine, whereas the Frog Grip guys I think are all
kind of closer together. Yes, Royce is like super strong,
but Bailey and Jay are sort of like they're, they're
stylistically similar and I don't think Royce.
I agree. I almost think you don't want
that on a team, though. Like you want to compliment each
other because then you're going to be bad.
If you're going to be a bad in an event, your whole team's bad.
It well, it then that comes down to programming style, right?
Right. But I mean, there's always going
to be one event where like, you know what I mean, they.
Yeah, you got Homer hitters, you know?
Yeah, yeah. Do you think that, I mean, do
any of these teams finish outside the top five in any
event? No.
I mean, is it literally Who wins more?
Yeah, I think, I think Hombre and Frog Grips will be first and
second in 90% of the events. Do we know Johann Robertson and
Joel Molina Mullinena? I think one was AI think.
I can't remember which one it is, but they were.
He was in the teen competition one year, so he's a younger guy
and I don't know the other one, but.
If that team, if like they're full of good runners, maybe they
could beat those other two teams on some endurance test, right?
Like if Johan and Joel are both good runners.
But no, I I think they're going to be first and second on like
every single event except maybe one or two and it's just going
to be and it's just going to be some freak event that the all
three of the guys on the team are really good at.
We get this every time. Bailey's from New Zealand.
Guys, it's all the same. You're all the same.
No one's here. It's like Hawaii.
Yeah. I did find out last night.
Sorry, New Zealand. Is closer to Australia than
Vancouver is to the Games, OK? And that's where half of our
podium comes from. Peter and I have talked a lot
about where Watkins comes from, so I did research last night.
We come from Wales, but there's a bunch of Watkins's who
immigrated from Wales to New Zealand.
So I got a bunch of family out there in New Zealand somewhere,
a bunch of Watkins's running around.
That's funny. I'm Scottish, believe it or not.
I can see that. So we don't like each other.
I guess we just don't like England.
We both don't like England but. Yeah.
So we got that going for us, Yeah.
Linden and Jerry has Sarah. I assume Sarah Sigmund's
daughter competed the last couple years.
Yeah, we've seen her. She was at semi finals last
year. She was at Water Palooza last
year. She's just not as fit as the
other girls, unfortunately. And yes, injuries have held her
back, but when she has competed, she's not fit enough to make a
splash anymore. Well, that's sort of what I
meant. Like, yeah, she's been there,
she's been present. But we're not.
We've not seen her compete like Sarah used to compete.
So I think the field's just better.
I think she is competing how Sarah used to compete, but in
2015 the girls weren't as good. That's true.
I really believe that. I I think you that might be
true. I mean you look at I always
think about way back in the day with like Miko Selo right.
Like he was awesome and then you get to Carson and it was like a
couple bad luck streak and then he couldn't come ever come back
and make it. Yeah.
Like, yeah, really rough run for two years.
He got hurt one year and then another year he blew out his
eardrum. And then he's just not good
enough anymore. He's not bitter like.
Right. And we always, we always wanted
to see him come back every year, just like I want to see Sarah.
But he could never make it make it work.
Because you're still fan favourites, but that hasn't
changed that people have gotten better and everywhere around the
world's doing it. You don't have this little
secret that you know about that nobody else knows about, which
was the case when Miko Salo was competing and like, and Tyler,
this is really fun. You should go back and just pick
a random workout. Like, pick a workout you'd be
good at. OK, but like one of the games
workouts and see what you do. Because 2014, I did the 2115
Nine Complex and I beat richest time.
Now I get it, I get it, I get it.
It's not, I'm not. I've done the games, He's done
way more than that, blah blah blah.
I know his time. I could pace all that stuff.
It's a Sprint. It's like a 4 minute workout,
right? And it's not a ton of
gymnastics, right? I would have broken on
everything, split up, split up, chest of R2, muscle up gap, and
then when I'm broken on everything else and I'd be Rich
freaking Froning and now he's he's fitter than me.
He's fitter than me in 2014. I'm not saying anything like
that, but go back. That's what I'm saying is the
field is is so much worse back then than than it is now.
Even to 2015, then to 2016. Like, I know there's there's
different kind of eras and I think probably this era would be
2021 to 2023 because we had a weird COVID 2019 in 2020, yes.
60% of the men have won the CrossFit Games from that year.
Yeah, yeah. Crazy stat, right?
Yeah, it is a crazy stat. That's kind of cool though.
But you kind of see the I I think the right people are in
2020. But you should go back and do
some of those events, Tyler, just to see, just to see how you
do 'cause I think it'll, I think you'll surprise yourself.
Yeah, I used to. I used to do them every year.
But that was when like in 2014 that was terrible.
So I I haven't went back in a long time and looked, but yeah,
I do feel like the the jump from 2014 to 2015.
I remember being like in 2014 I was like I could see myself at
the games one day and then in 2015 I was like, I will never
make it to the games. Like there was a jump in
professionality that year that was just rival by no other year.
Even even Rich though, like got a lot fitter.
A lot fitter. You should try the 2159 complex.
I bet you get top 10. What's the barbell in that?
155. Yeah, but what's the movement is
cleaning jerk. No snatch.
Snatch. I don't remember.
Ryan, do you remember because I did this, I did this like 8
months ago. It was just stuck in my head,
snatched and then power cleans and then maybe cleaning jerks.
Somebody off the top of their head can do it.
I know it was pull ups, chest bar and bar muscle UPS.
Chase would be able to rattle it off like it was.
There you go. Deadlifts.
Clean snatches.
Deadlifts. Power clean snatches.
The deadlifts is what I forgot. And I'm telling you dude,
nothing. Nothing like like you never get
tired. The gymnastics are like, low
enough that you never I felt my grip 8.
Pull ups. That's what I say.
And like Josh Bridges, like he was doing the pull ups and the
Chester bar together. Nobody else did that.
Right. And and like.
They come down and drop. Yeah, and for the yes.
And like Camille did the whole thing unbroken with the
gymnastics, right. But they all split up their
weights a lot. Like you should give it a crack
because I bet I bet you can get I bet you can get sub 5 minutes.
It'd be a good right? There with Noah.
That's not a hard. Because I think I did it like
four O 7. You could say you beat Noah
Olson in a workout. That'd be pretty cool.
Patrick Clark It's proof the sport is evolving.
It happens in every major sport. Glad to see it happens in hours.
If only HQ would evolve with the athletes.
All that to say, Sarah's done. Back to our main point.
Back to. What we were doing,
unfortunately. I wish it wasn't the case, but I
think it is the case. You guys disagree?
I I don't want it to be true, but I think it's true.
Yeah, it'll be tough. Yeah.
I mean, yeah, and. And oh, sorry, one more thing
about Sarah. Like, she also has a life.
Like, she does other stuff and good on her, you know?
But like, at a certain point, you have to stop entertaining
the idea that you're going to be a pro athlete anymore.
It might be over for you, and that's OK.
You had a killer career move on. Yeah, you're one of the fittest
women of all time. On the women's side, got three,
I guess more notable names, More on the team side.
Danny Spiegel, Emily Rethwell and Jesse Smith are California
girls Next Letica Gold, Brioni Shelley's Christy Hollard and
Amy Alessi and the Fit Mama's Club, Alethia Boone, Justine
Beeth and Jaylee Manzi. Can anybody beat the California
girls? The only people who have a
chance are the the fit mama's. I don't think so.
I'm saying they're the only ones who have a chance.
I'm not saying it's a good chance.
To I'm on. I'm on the next letting of gold
has a chance. I don't know too much about Amy,
but Christie and and Brioni are are pretty good.
I think it's more likely that California girls will be
convincingly out front and then like the second and third place,
go back and forth. I could see that happen.
I will say I haven't heard rest will in a in a in a while.
That was like a blast from the past.
Well, you're not seeing her or that name.
That name in. A.
Although vindicate makes a good point, Travis makes a good
point. This proper judging.
Yeah. Maybe that's only a third of the
equation. I think they'll be OK.
By I thought Banzilla is going to be on the Fit Mama's team.
No, she was going individual so she qualified through the
qualifier. She got first and then had a
hernia and. Decided.
I'm sorry, Caitlin. She said that she didn't.
She didn't feel it. She feels good when she works
out, but the doctor was like don't go to a competition and
you need surgery so keeps getting worse.
So do take surgery now. You can still come back for
2024, hopefully. I do think she would have made
it a lot more interesting. Yes, yeah.
All right. We'll walk through the workouts.
I just kind of give some thoughts on it.
So Friday event one adapt outside on a beach, 15 bar
muscle UPS, 20 chest of our pull ups, A1K beach run, 25 dead ball
cleans which are I think just a a Heavy D ball, A1K beach run,
20 chest of bar pull ups and 15 bar muscle UPS.
What do you like about this one, John?
It's just, I mean like it's just who wants to?
I mean, it's almost like, who wants to gamble?
On what part? From the start I think you do
the 15 bar muscle UPS unbroken and then you do like fives on
the chest of bar like quick fives, but you're resting there.
I don't know if you got 20 chest bar unbroken.
You probably do that because you're going to rest on the 1K
on the beach run. Not if it's all sand that'll
suck. No, no, I'm saying you're like
your grip, your grip, your grip and your pulling will rest. 20
chested bar is not irrelevant after 15 bar muscle UPS.
So like if you do 15 bar muscle UPS unbroken, which I think for
these ladies like, it's going to be hard for a lot of them to do
that. After the bar muscle up, yeah.
And then 20 chested bar pull ups, you probably do that
unbroken and then the I don't know how heavy the dead ball is,
but if it's like see, that's what.
I want to know. Yeah, if it's like 151 hundred,
I think whatever guy can, it's probably who runs the fastest.
I'll be honest, Whoever can run the fast because 1K is enough.
That's 4 minutes, yeah. You can lose you.
Yeah, it. Depends.
Again, it depends if it's. If it's soft sand, it's not 4
minutes. For what?
Much slower? Yeah.
So 4 to 6 minutes. Yeah.
So let's just call it 10 minutes.
Like 10 minutes of running and it's 5 minutes of total work, 10
minutes of running. So I mean like the most time
it's made-up on the run. I think if anybody can do 25
unbroken dead ball cleans for instance, like if it's 150 and
Jake Douglas can just do 25 unbroken like it'll hurt but.
So the the dead ball cleans are 70 kilograms, 50 so 100 and
5550. Five.
It's a heavy for the ladies, isn't it?
Heavier. Yeah.
Compared to the men, probably, yeah. 1:35, 1/31/32 1:32 it says
60 kilograms for the ladies in the comments that is 110 is the.
Weight It's 5070 and 50. Per competition quarter.
So yeah, I mean, I think if you can go 25 dead ball cleans
unbroken, they're just touch and go.
You can knock those out if you're really, really strong
like Dan, I know Danny's people's not competing, but like
I this is like a workout where she could be behind and then I'm
going broken on those and be ahead of everybody and then end
up top five, right? And then after the other beach
run, you see who can hang on to those bar muscle ups.
I I think doing the bar muscle ups unbroken on the last 15 is
going to be huge. I don't think very many people
will be able to do that. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think.
It all come down to gamesmanship because it's like OK you can't
win the you can't win this event on the dead ball.
Like you can lose it if you go too fast but you cannot win it
like you can only go so fast. And again like like you said, it
just really comes down to the beach run and then when you get
back to the bar, like you got to see where you are, how much time
because it's like if you can take a quick rest between 10:00
and 10:00 on the chest of bar, you can probably go unbroken on
the bar muscle UPS. I think I go fives on the chest
of bar on the second one 2GO unbroken on the bar muscle UPS.
Yeah, I think you have to go unbroken on the bar muscle UPS
and it's just about pushing the chest of bar.
You don't have to, but the winner will.
But I think if you want to win you, you have to.
Those chest of are just there to juice you up.
They're not there for anything else other than to juice you up.
How How does Jake Douglas do on this one?
I don't think he does well does this.
I actually think this might be his worst event.
Does it prevent him from winning it?
Is this the one workout, like a Gee situation where he's far
enough down the leaderboard that he can't come back?
No, because it's not it's. Athlete pool.
Yeah, I like, I think the the second best guy who who honestly
might be the first best guy who who do you have second?
Can you can I see the guy's roster again?
Because I think I had the win. My winner was not.
No, that's not who I was thinking of.
I think Luke Dehong's going to be really good.
He was really, really good. Like two years ago.
Up and coming athlete. And then and then.
I don't know. He either got hurt or something
happened to him. But there was like a year break
for him. But I think he'll be better than
a lot of people think. Luke Dehong, I'm home.
I'm saying that right? But yeah, I I don't think Jake
Douglas wins overall. Yeah.
I don't know. I don't know enough about the
the Australian field to pontificate on that, but I would
say he's still, like, he's still top three.
There's no way he falls that far.
Like, even even if he gets hurt. I know, Yeah.
No, I can't see him not getting top three.
Oh, you're talking about in this event, top three?
No. No, no, no no, no, no overall.
The total, Yeah, I I feel the same.
I don't think he doesn't get top three, but I think he was lucky
to make the games last year there was a Max snatch in the
semi finals and then there was a 185 snatches before a run in the
semi finals. I think the semi finals stacked
up really well for him and then he back doored it in, you know
what I mean? So, and I don't think, I think,
yeah, like I think I would not be surprised if Zach Thomas won.
I would not be surprised if Peter Ellis won.
I think either one of them two could get ahead of him.
Even Isaac, Isaac, Isaac Newman. Yeah.
I I like that you pulled this up because like do you think he
fares better in workout one and semi finals better than he does
this workout? 100%.
Just because it's same that. Yet another sled.
Oh yeah, Body pulling. The workout one was pulling up
the sled. Well, not not in Oceana, like
everybody did very. No, I know, I know the sled was
lighter in Oceana, but he still has an advantage pulling that
sled other other people. He still pulls it faster than
other people. No, John, no context.
Just no. Taylor, when you make a
prediction that's better than mine, then you can start talking
because I don't think you ever have once.
You just disagree with everything.
Taylor never plays. Because he know he doesn't.
He knows he's going to be wrong about a lot of.
Stuff he knows he's got. To put it out there and be
willing to be wrong a couple times, I think this is Jake
Douglas worst event and it could stop him from winning the event.
I don't think that that's a relatively crazy statement at
all like this. Being I don't either, I don't
know what. I just yeah no no's just
ambiguous but he's heavy the beach run and it's like the dead
ball cleans just just are not enough to to make a difference
in this workout as far as win ability so.
No, no. Especially if he has to run, he
has to go too much on the run to keep up.
He may be slow. He won't gain the advantage
that. I think the better runners will
be in the will be the winners of this workout.
One thing I did notice. So all of the events have a
video. They do have written standards
for all of them. Tyler, I know you like that and
we'll get to the PFAA in a little bit, but is this
something that we should see from competitions with video
standards maybe in my opinion, to some degree, written
standards? Should we?
Does it have to be a thing? No.
Is it? Is it a nice professionality
thing? Yeah, I would.
If I were running an event, I would strive to have these.
I mean, you know. With video performance on the
standards, when I think it's great 100%.
I don't think it's a must have, but it it's it, it is probably a
should have. I mean, think about like Crash
doesn't have the biggest budget in the world and they still have
them, right? Taylor, I literally said that
before we talked about the workout.
And then you're going to come out here and say, no, get out of
here, bro. I said that before we even
started talking about the workout.
Oh man, go eat some. He just likes to disagree.
Yeah, you need some waffles. Event 2 On Friday on your bike
27 Burpee Box Jump Overs at 2420 Inches and then we.
Didn't talk about the women. Do you want to talk about the?
Women talk about who on the women's side on on event one are
you looking forward to seeing? Oh, you don't?
Want to say the women? That's my you have.
He's my answer every single time.
I'm a can you look, can you pull up the roster every time?
Because I I'm going to have to see the roster every.
Every time. Are you taking Annika Greer?
I'm taking Wait, hold on, I always get this confused.
Is Amy Kringle the runner? Or who am I thinking of for
that? Yeah, she's pretty good at
running. Yes, yes, Amy Kringle's the
runner, right? Because I know I heard another
girl confused and then I like, I don't know who.
Because remember, I made that wrong pick in fantasy once I
ended up paying off. You know, Amy Kringle ended up
being a pretty good pick. But I OK, yeah, I would say Amy
Kringle wins this event. Georgia Pryor Georgia Pryor is
also a very good runner if I'm not mistaken.
I could see that I'm. Picking on a skirt.
Does does Annika finish last? No, no.
She's a bad runner. But the field the field is lower
than semi finals. What did she post that one time
span and you were like? That's not good.
Yes, Chris, that's who I get. That's who I get Mixed up is
Lucy Campbell. I get Lucy Campbell and Amy
Kringle mixed up. They're very similar.
I can see how you could confuse that to herself.
She'll make up Brown on the gymnastics, though.
Like, I think she's good enough at gymnastics that she won't be
last place on on in the workout. Taylor Williamson.
I think she does. Good.
I don't know. She'll do good, dude.
I know she'll probably do those D ball cleans on broken I.
Mean she was at Mayhem, and they were in a lot.
Yeah, I just don't. I like it.
Anytime her or like the other one.
The other one. Does, does anything, does
anything individual. I'm just like, I don't know what
to think of y'all Andrea. Anytime, anytime.
No, no. I know they're really good.
But anytime Nestler and Taylor do any individual competition,
everybody just assumes they're going to be amazing.
And it's usually somewhere in the middle.
They're not amazing, but they're all they're pretty good, you
know what I'm saying? It was top 15 in the.
World, you said Nestler to pick. Yeah, yeah.
And she got like 9th at the individual competition she chose
to do. Do you remember which one it
was? It was the.
Pre games before there was the Invitational to the the COVID
games, it was that at home. And she got, she got like 9th,
right? Yeah, yeah.
It's to herself that year to well.
It didn't have. Team She wins everything that
Rogue does. Yeah, anything that's a.
Kind of the Queen. She wins more than Colton does.
She's a freak, dude. She'll she'll do well if she
doesn't win. Her 50 Cal echo time is like 51
seconds. It's something.
It's something insane. All right, event two.
So the 27 burpee box jump overs and then 2115975 of C2 bite
calories and deadlifts. This is something I could see
Taylor Taylor Williamson went in.
But yes, she's big. She's she's tall.
What's an analysis? Just an overall large.
The Hard Hitting Analysis by Tyler She's big.
It's not. It's not even as bad of analysis
as as John just saying that she's going to win, I I mean.
Taylor Williams So what did this work out?
Right, this. I just see this and think about
how bad it's going to hurt. Like you're not going to be able
to walk at the end of it. Like you're going to fall off.
Like you're going to drop the deadlift and just collapse.
At the end, how fast? How fast are you getting through
those burpees? A minute.
Minute and 1/2. I think you can do it in a
minute. And then 2159?
So I don't think they're going to be sprinting it.
So I I yeah, a minute and 1/2 is probably more the right call,
'cause I wouldn't. You're not going to Sprint the
burpees and then you're just going to go very, very hard on
the bike and the deadlifts probably really hard on the bike
and the deadlifts are just very smooth and controlled.
So this is a 12 minute time cap. Are we Are you guys
underestimating the time it's going to take to do this?
I don't know how. Long a bike's going to take like
each one of those bike segments. It's not going to take super
long, right? And then so it's just all
deadlift. I don't know dude.
I think. I think 8 minutes.
I'm. Doing the math.
Taylor, now's your time, now's your chance to tune in, but
yeah. There it is.
Zayn Healy. Yeah, but that's if you're not
doing anything else, you got to go into something that's really,
really leg heavy. I'm going to say sub seven, sub
seven. The winner will be sub seven.
So why do you think do you I I would say that time cap is, is
so that everybody has to get through it as opposed to being a
rush. Yeah, no, no, I think it's so
everybody has to do it. This is a workout where your
legs will feel pain and it like that fill up pain and I think
they want everybody to feel. That thing.
All the way through. So yeah, I think the winner gets
sub seven. I don't know.
I think everybody should be done in 10 minutes.
Ldy 2742499 Thank you Taylor really wants a spot on the spin
cast. You can't after he friggin train
wreck the show on the last one, that was like me trying to ride
two bulls at the same time. It was an absolute.
Please, please use a different analogy than that.
That didn't That didn't sound right.
If people aren't watching this, that's.
I don't know what's it, what's going to change if they're
watching it? I I don't know.
You're right. You're right.
I don't know. It just didn't feel good.
Zane's saying sub six. That's better than.
There's no way that it happens. Maybe on the guy's side.
Taylor agrees. Sub six.
That's moving, yeah.
Jake. Jake on this.
Way I think there's Berby slowing down and then just make
him tired for the rest of it. I'm just asking about Jake.
I'm not. Saying he's going to oh, oh oh,
I feel like we just want to say Jake for everybody because
that's the only name that we know.
I like. Thor what would be very similar
to semifinals. Not really.
Workout seven, I would say whoever.
Workout 7 and be the biggest. Which one was that again?
The bike and the sandbag and the toaster bar.
Isaac Isaac won it, followed by Peter Ellis, Zach Thomas.
Jake Thomas. Yeah.
So I would say Isaac Newman then Isaac Newman is going to win
this workout. All right, guys, the reason why
I'm thinking, I think I this is this is good that you use the
semi finals because it has a lot of the semi finals guys in it
from Oceana. I like, I like this.
Everything is not going to have a one to one correlation, but
you think about the guys that did great in that workout, Roman
Hopper, Dallin, how do you think he was doing this workout?
Right. This is a Sprint workout where
you could pump on the bike hard. Everybody who, everybody's going
to be able to do the deadlifts semi unbroken should be
unbroken. It's just going to hurt.
I think everybody will do the work, the deadlifts unbroken.
But so yeah, I think this, I'd say Isaac Newman.
The only thing I would say is that if you're a smaller person,
like on the lighter side, like more of a gymnastics person,
it'll help you because you're going to go into, you can go at
the burpees at faster rate and you'll go into the bike less
tired than somebody big. It's a Sprint, man.
You're not going to be tired. Well, I guess it's not.
It's 8 minutes. It's not a Sprint, but I still
think, I still think it's not going to help the the the bike.
The bike and deadlift is the majority of the time everybody's
going to do. You're not going to Sprint those
27 burger. Why do you think?
Why do you think they put it there?
It was only to pre fatigue your legs so that the.
I agree, I agree. But it just makes the power
output guys have more in an advantage.
I think it's not going to take their power output advantage
away. It's the only like that's the.
Only I'm not saying that, Taylor, I'm out to X, I'm about
to rinse you off here. OK, Where you can't comment
again. All right.
I just said the opposite. If you say one more thing that I
didn't say, I'm going to block you from comment.
The thing that makes this better is I can read it in his voice.
My point is, I don't think it's going to make the big guys tired
because nobody's sprinting them, which we just.
Said I I could see it as a trap, like the the first round of the
bike was in Event 7 of semifinals, like how fast Roman
went out, like it's a trap. Like just get get them done.
Don't Sprint through it because otherwise you're going to sit
there and struggle at the end. Right.
Or we're. All wrong.
And that's the only way you win it.
Please, somebody take that tactic.
We want to see what? Happens, we'll see.
Just go out and finish those sub sub one.
Go for it. Three event, three Saturday 5
minute AMRAP, 40 calorie ski, 6 rope climbs and then in the
remaining time Max overhead squats.
Gosh, this is this is rough. That's a neat workout.
So you're going to have a little over 2 minutes of overhead
squatting. Do you think?
I mean, man, it's going to be hard to hold that bar after
that. Everything's going to be
fatigued core. Think about that.
You can overhead squat for 2 to 2 1/2 minutes.
No, I mean. I know that.
What I'm saying. Like I'm just saying, you got to
get it into position every time you drop it, so it's almost
worth it to Max out, right? Like, I don't know if it's worth
it or not, whether they, like, just do fives or this is
something I think Jake Douglas can win, just 'cause I think he
can. The bar will feel better
overhead. I think he can just overhead
squat better than that, but he knows.
And it's not really like there's just going to be a pace that all
the guys have to do. Like you can't win it on the
first two parts again, but you can lose it.
And it's like everybody's going to go with relatively probably
the same pace on that. And then it's just who can hold
the overhead squats. So yeah, I like Jake.
I. This one I think I like this
one. My only question is, I wonder if
they'll have required breaks to walk to walk down the field.
Right. It's like.
A procession of reps on the on the overhead squads.
Yeah. I hope not.
I hope it's just staying in place.
It'd be hard to know who's winning, though.
That's my only thing. That's true.
OK. I see it from a production
standpoint. I like that.
But that answers your question like if it is a handful up, here
it is. Zane.
You have to move the bar every five reps.
I don't mind that you guys don't like that.
I mean, it's going to test a lot of guys just to see if they'll
hold on. I don't think I would hold on on
any of them, like do the five and then and then move like drop
and move versus like do the five, hold it overhead and go.
There's no way, right? No, you don't do that.
You could take it back to your back, walk, and then go back.
I always forget about the back, the backdrop.
I always I'm mixed on that. Like you think about events,
event six with the overhead squats at semi finals and they
had the two sets of 10. I would have rather seen them
have to you know, somebody try to hold on for all 20 and fail
on #19 'cause they didn't have a break.
But by moving the bar up, you know where people are.
Comparatively I. It's such a long time domain.
I think you just do five and then put it down your back, walk
up and then jerk it up and then do 5, put it on your back.
You probably can last a really long time doing that because you
get to rest a little bit every time you're transitioning.
I don't think you might not make it 2 1/2 minutes, but but you
can probably make it a really long time.
You know who would be really good at this one?
I'm, I think Gracie Walton will be really good at this one.
But freaking Annika Greer probably has the greatest
overhead cycle rate out of everybody.
Like I think of like Colton Merton's.
This is a workout that he could come out and win and nobody
really picked him for. But just because his squat cycle
rate is so fast and that's literally going to be half of
the AMRAP, a little less than half of the AMRAP, almost half
of the AMRAP. Like, I think somebody like
Annika Greer can come out and win this and it'd be really
shocking to everybody. I may be totally screwing this
up, but didn't she suck at a rope climb event though?
I mean, yeah, I may be it's. A legless rope climb event.
If these are regular rope climbing, it's not like it's
legless. So Julia Hannaford, Grace
Walton, Emily Deroy. Of those competing on the Max
Snatch during semifinals, I think it's probably a pretty
good correlation to what we'll see The men's side, Jake
Douglas. There's Johan Roberts.
That's on Ricky's team with Isaac Newton.
Newman. Newman He has to be tired.
Of that he didn't invent gravity.
And neither did Isaac Newton. Look how much, look how much how
much bigger Jake's snatch is compared to.
Yeah, Isaac, I I yeah. No, no, I agree.
I think I would take Jake Douglas in this event.
I probably would take Gracie Walton and then and with for the
women. I just would not be surprised if
Annika Grier comes out and smokes everybody.
Especially with six of them. What the What was the top weight
for the women on the snatch in in in Australia?
What was that? What was the top weight for the
women in Australia for the snatch 190.
Julia Hanover, 190 OK Monica is 180.
They're so I she's done more than that.
That was in the semi final though.
Yeah, yeah. Like, I think she just snatched
200 on Instagram, her E one 95190.
Not after a damn rope climbs. No, no, no, no, you're right.
But it's open squats. It's not.
It is different.
Right, like Colton doesn't have the best snatch.
I think Colton would win this event.
Just 'cause he can clean it just because his.
Squat rate is. Squat rate is so fast.
It's so much faster than everybody else, and the majority
of time on this is the overhead squats.
If you did boil it down, are you going to ski more or rope climb
more or overhead squat more? If you're overhead squatting
more the than the other two movements, Annika Grier has the
same squat rate that Colton does.
Well, let's think about. Relatively, relatively.
And I'm just thinking of the sandbag workout.
None of y'all said Colton was going to win that workout.
I was the only one, and that had that ended up happening.
That's how I'm thinking about this workout.
I'm wondering though like, so let's let's set her.
Let's look at the other end. So Taylor Williamson, she's tall
and so the the ski and the rope climbs are both going to be
easier for her and the weight isn't is probably relatively
going to be lighter for her. So I like her for this over
Anika. Anika, whatever.
Yeah, I honestly think that'd be a really, really good race.
But. Watching both of those.
Yeah, because Taylor Williamson should have a lead on really
everybody, honestly, because she's going to ski faster than
everybody and I don't think she'll be fine on the real
times, you know what I mean? Yep.
Event 4 Hard Yakka 20 Minute 20m Hanson Walk 20m Slalom Hanson
Walk ten single arm kettlebell snatches on each side. 120 meter
dual kettlebell farmers carry another ten single arm
kettlebell snatches. 120 Dual kettlebell farmers carry another
ten single arm kettlebell snatches and then it go back
through the handstand walk. This is a different 120. 20
meters, 60 feet, so 100 and. I wish Bailey Martin. 40 Mark
would be a good one to watch. I'm going to pick.
I think Peter Ellis will win this on the men's side and I
think Emily Deroy will win on the women's side.
I think they're just the best handstand walkers in the group
and that's what I'm basing that off of.
That's it. Start got start.
Do you think the handstand walk is the the signing factor on
this one? I think the last bit of it will
be. I think all that other stuff is
tiring you out for the last part of the handstand walk.
The last, because it ends on that too.
I mean, the whole thing is just terrible on your shoulders.
Yours. It's well, So what?
It's 53 LB Kettle bells for the women and 70 LB.
Kettle bells for the women. For the men 120 meters it's it's
I mean that's that's no that's long but you can run most of
that like I I you can run the 1st 120 unbroken if you wanted
to. I don't I really think most of
them will be fine on that it is far but I just did a 400 meter
carry with the 70s and I would not unbroken but like I ran half
of it before I put the before I put the kettle bells down.
So I think most of them will be OK on the 120 meter dual
kettlebell carries and then they're not going to struggle on
the 10 single arm snatches. I just don't you know what I
mean I don't think they're going to struggle so I think it'll
come down to the handstand walk. They're all really fit right.
And so I just think the best handstand walkers will come out
on top. Who has better hair than he
does? That's hard.
He's got great hair. So it looks like the slalom is
unbroken. Sections of it are unbroken.
Or just the whole thing. I don't know.
Oh yeah, See, I don't think slalom is all that challenging.
Like you don't have to be a great handstand market to be
able to slalom. No, I.
Don't think it's that much different, no.
I mean, I guess. Originally thought it was the
things that Jr. had at Crash where you had to step over the
things. I think that would be better.
I did like that. I thought that was a new twist
on something that we hadn't seen.
Well, they just seemed, they seemed really big too.
Like really big thing, really big to step over.
Like, just big enough that it's uncomfortable.
Yeah, Event 5 Crikey. So this is our our heavy, heavy
lift. So basically you have a 2 minute
window to do 10 ring muscle UPS, 8 for the women, and then a four
load 3 squat cleans. You get the rest a minute.
Then do another 10-8 ring muscle UPS, 2 squat cleans for load
rest a minute, and then you get 3 minutes to do another 10 or 8
ring muscle UPS followed by a one Rep Max squat clean.
You take the best. Yeah, so you pick your weights
and then the score is adding up your best three Rep, your best
two Rep, and your best one Rep squat clean for a total weight.
I'm gonna go out, go out on a ledge here, OK?
Risky pick. I think Jake Douglas wins this
one. Yeah.
That's probably a good pick. Scott, it's just the cleans.
I would have liked to jerk does this it?
Hurts Taylor Williamson a little bit.
If it was Pat, if you could just clean it, I think.
Oh, it's set a Yeah. Hurt power in it.
Yeah. I still.
I mean like. Do we there'll be a like this
format, like are we gaining anything by doing this type of
volume? I'll try to say this without Oh,
what do you mean, just the competition as a whole, in
general, like so far? Or are you talking about this?
Event this event right like you're you're if you're the
strongest, if you're the one, if you're the best one Rep, squat
clean. You're the strongest guy.
You're Jake Douglas. Is there any way you don't win
this like? Well, yeah, I guess the ring
muscle UPS don't really like you're you're going unbroken.
I think for everybody. Everybody should go unbroken.
Why would you? On the muscle, I wouldn't.
Well, yeah, I guess. Well, you only have two minutes.
That's plenty of time. You do 55.
You could do six and four in literally 40 seconds, rest 40
seconds and then do your cleans. Yeah, speed doesn't matter, but.
Are you going to do multiple tries at 3 reps on the on the
squat? No.
So I would take your time with the muscle UPS, take your rest
and then do your cleans. I guess well so this, this leans
into what we're going to talk about later.
So the other way of doing it was just take out the ring muscle
UPS and and it does the same thing, right.
And I would, I think I would rather see something in there.
I'm I'm not sure that this is programmed correctly, but I'm
I'm more happy something's in there than not like some other
you. Think the ring muscle UPS would
affect cleaning jerks much more than squat cleaning?
Like if you wanted the ring muscle UPS too?
That's what I'm saying, right? I do think they would affect
cleaning jerks just from overhead stability in your
triceps being worked. Yeah.
It's pointless volume. I like, I like.
There's another modality. But yeah, it feels a little
pointless. Maybe this could have been
programmed better. And I mean, if it is pointless
volume, then then you would rather it not be there because
then we get to see freaky numbers, you know what I mean?
Like if the strongest still winds cool, but we didn't get to
see the crazy of the craziest numbers because of the ring
muscle UPS, right? But this shouldn't affect
anybody. What's a better What's a better
workout? Jr.
Go. Well, we can talk about this
when we get to our next topic. Yeah, Yeah.
I I just, as I was reading through this, I I felt like well
if you're the strongest one like you're going to win anyway.
Like are we just doing volume to do volume?
It's just there to piss Jake Douglas off.
Why? Why?
I guess it does weed out someone
who's bad at ring muscle UPS, but it.
Doesn't matter. There's no, but yeah, there's no
way that like they are there if that's true.
If you can't get through those, you probably shouldn't be in the
elite, yeah. 112 off. That means that means one minute
to do your ring muscle UPS and cleans.
So then the ring muscle UPS would kind of have to have to
get through, not have to be unbroken.
But I mean, you don't get to rest very much.
Right, right. Because I mean this, this last
one, you have 3 minutes to get through it.
So like to John's point, you're not going to be, you're not
going to be doing, you know, a whole bunch of one Rep squat
cleans. And then you're just going to
sit there for? Take your time, I put your onus.
On the ring muscle UPS a lot more, but I mean it's just if
you're bad at ring muscle UPS it lowers your Max.
If you if you're good at ring muscle UPS, it lowers your Max
but not by as much. And Taylor 21159 ring muscle UPS
instead of the 10. Got one?
Then it's just 21159 and then he spells it out.
Thanks. I ain't got changes to work out
entirely. Yeah, I like next one.
Next one Sunday catch you later 2 rounds so 10 strict wall
facing handstand push ups, 10 dual kettlebell squats more, 10
more handstand push ups, 15 back squats, 10 more wall facing
handstand push ups and 12 squats. 2 rounds of that four
time 16 minute cap. So none of those squats are very
heavy. I don't think they're going to
play a role in everything. I think this is just who's the
best at handstand push ups, shoulder handstand, push up,
endurance, strict wall facing, handstand push ups.
It doesn't change from that. It would have been cool if that
would have been like progressively.
Harder. I think in like 1 round, but it
gets progressively harder on the handstand push ups like it maybe
it into the 10 parallet handstand push ups, you know
something like that, but. 60 of those are.
Going to add up, yeah, I think at the end, especially with the
shoulder demand on the dual kettlebell squats, even if it's
just right here, and then the back squats, I mean, like this
isn't a comfortable position. And then the dead ball squats
like you're going to be right here like this.
It's a lot of it's shoulder dominant.
I mean it. For sure, for sure.
But like I think people remember.
Well that's the best thing. I don't think so.
I think you just break it up. Do you have to wall walk this or
can you cartwheel into it? I hope it's cartwheel.
I don't know. Damn, they just cut to him in
it. Oh, here it is it.
Looks like he wall walks, yeah. Yeah, but does it say you have
to? I'm sure it does, because if you
don't have to wall walk, do any. I mean, cartwheeling saves so
many seconds. Yeah, it looks like.
So he's going to it each time. Yeah, they cut it out, but yeah,
it looks like he wall walks it out.
But I think, yeah, Annika Greer, I think it's going to smoke
this. I think she might beat
everybody. I'd like to know the Z score on
this one because I bet she beat 2nd place by a lot.
Peace score. Peace.
Oh, I'm sorry we changed the letter up.
My bad, my bad, my bad. It's totally different formula,
John, come on. Gotcha, gotcha.
All right. All right.
Any I mean I'm going to just say Peter Ellis again on the immense
side, he did the best on workout six, you know so like in semi
finals. So that's who I would pick.
Yeah, I don't, Thor. I don't know how Jake Douglas
will do in this workout. Like he's a guy that the
handstand push ups might could get and the handstand push ups
get if he if the handstand put you get you and you get 15th out
of 22nd guys, 22 guys. What you're doing poorly on the
1st event, that's. Enormous like that, you know
what I'm saying? I mean, if we go back to our our
previous event, I'm definitely taking Monica over Taylor now in
this one. All for the handstand push ups.
She's getting a murder and it's not.
It doesn't hurt you to be shorter or like not way as heavy
in this workout. Well, I know we don't.
We know she's great at handstand push ups.
She's won handstand push up workouts before.
But like the the barbell or the the squats aren't really going
to slow you down. I don't think anything else.
Does squatter. There's nothing on that that
she's going to be bad at on that event and.
Then we end with 60 cleaning jerks, 2 scores, 50 points each.
First is the 30 reps and the 2nd is the total time.
This is an interesting thing. So my prediction for this is
Jake Douglas wins event 7 and then he gets 11th place in event
8. No, No way.
This is his to win. This is his to win.
Dude, grace is not a strength thing at all.
At all. Taylor would beat me in double
grace easy. And then if he goes on broken on
grace on the first one, then then we tie.
I don't know what to tell you, but like like if you want to do
go to an event seven, you have to go unbroken, right?
If you want to win event seven, you have to go unbroken.
Do you need to though? Somebody will you know if you're
a person. Yeah, but you only get 50.
But I It's true, you only get 50 points, so.
But I think, like enough guys, it's all about what everybody
else does. You know, 'cause if if like I
like Tyler probably could do Grace unbroken if it really
meant something to him. No.
Well, you. Don't think so.
No, I've tried. I Well, well, I beat her out
somewhere. Around I'm saying a lot of these
guys can go unbroken on Grace and so I it's just like if 10
guys not they're like irrelevant to the leaderboard go unbroken
on the first Grace. Do you not think Jake Douglas is
going to or Peter Ellis is going to or Isaac Newman, right.
I think, I think this is like you kind of kind of just got to
see what everybody else is doing.
I think you find, yeah, I mean it depends like I'm wondering
the heats now like. This is a really great.
This is a really weird one to do this with because I think a lot
of guys can go unbroken in the 7th 1:00, so it just depends
what who wants to. To me, you need to find your
your, what you're. I mean people are just going to
play their thing. So it's like, yeah, if you can,
if you think you can win the 30, just go for it.
But like, don't do it to the detriment that you're going to
get last and basically just get. Them in the pack score overall
you wouldn't but like I'm. You don't think so?
No. No, no, no.
Yeah. I think if you go unbroken,
you're ahead of everybody, right?
That doesn't. Maybe not by much though.
No, no, not by much, not by much.
But then you just start doing singles because that's what
everybody's going to do in double grace is singles, right?
30 unbroken and then 30 singles. You're not going to be last
place on that. But I and I think that's what I
think we'll see a lot of people. I think we'll see more people
that you think go 30 unbroken and then 30 singles and you.
I think this is just an impossible workout to win both
of them. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe enough.
Maybe they all try to go unbroken on the first one and
everybody is like in the same hole.
Right. And then it's just the fittest
guy can do well, you know, we'll do the 60 cleaning jerks.
Dan, There's a famous video of Dan doing Grace in 3rd and 90 or
in in under 60 seconds, right. But what's the top end score on
double Grace or. I mean, yeah, what's the, what's
the best? Where we're going to be on
double Grace. So you can't.
You can't do them unbroken, so it's.
Oh, they have to purchase. They have Mats, they have a set
of 20 and then then 10/10, 10:10.
I guess you can walk it that way.
OK, well then I think they all do 20 cleaning jerks unbroken,
and then I think they all suit in more cleaning jerks.
And then I think it'll go to singles from there.
And I just don't think, I don't think Jake Douglas is going to
win both of them. Like people are too fit
nowadays. If it was 155, maybe then.
But people are really, really fit now.
It's not just who. It's not who's the strongest.
On the women's side, you got anybody?
Grace Grace Walton. Yeah.
I don't know, man. I I I don't.
Grace or Julia? Dude, I think like Maddie Sturt
could come in clutch on something like this.
That's what I'm saying. Freaking Sturt, man.
Like for the 60, for the 60. Maybe she won't win the 30, but
I think she can win the 60. I think she can win one of.
Them. Yeah, 30, Sorry.
And I don't think she can win 30, but I could see the 60 for
sure. I think Taylor Williamson could
win the 30. I don't know.
This is a weird one. I don't like this.
I don't like this workout as far as it being like this is your
I'm I I like that it's worth 50 points because it does feel like
you got to pick one. It feels like that.
I don't think you do. I think that's dumb.
You know just, I mean you can do 20 reps and then rest and then
do 10 reps though at a slower rate than you would like all out
I'm saying as far as to to win to win it feels like.
You. I'm just saying like it if
you're not good at. If you're not good at double
grace, you're not going to be good at the at regular grace,
Like you're not going to go out too hard trying to win
something. So like they're all going to
pace it and if Jake doesn't have to as much, he'll win that one
and he'll be fine on the on the back end.
Oh. I don't think they're all going
to pace it, man. I think people are going to go
for that first one. I really do.
John's the guy who went for the first one.
And I wish it was, I wish it was 100 points each and it meant
like there was bigger swings. Yeah, 'cause then, then it's
legitimate. Like pick one.
I tell you what, who was that guy in 2019 that just went for
the double ringer one in the very first one.
He went for it and sold his soul on the bike.
Wasn't an Australian guy, they like to go for things down
there. It was James Newberry OK, and he
beat Matt Fraser in a 30/20/10 assault bike toaster.
Ring, I'm telling you. Like there is a a syndic
mentality that Australians have, like it's more prevalent in
Australia than it is here. I know it's James Newberry, I'm
testing them. Chris, come on now, you don't
think I know it's James Newberry.
I just think way more people are going to send it on that first
one than you guys think and that's going to affect the
leaderboard a lot. What do you think Jay?
If you're still here, Jay, can you tell us what you think this
would? This would be a great one to
have your insight on. Taylor must be eaten or he would
have. He would say Maddie's going to
win. I picked Maddie for the the the
second one. All right.
Overall overall winner, Men's and women's.
Who are you picking? Peter Ellis.
That was my pick. Tyler.
I don't know, Jake. OK, it's a great analytic brain.
There you got that. Was good, that was.
Good, I. Don't know enough about the
field. It's so hard because it's like,
I'm sure there's great people in there.
It's just I don't know anything about them.
You know what I mean? And and the guys I do know
aren't there. No, no, no.
Specifically on event 7, Jay, do you think people will send it on
the 1st 30 cleaning jerks? That's what I'm asking because
they don't think so. They think everybody's going to
pace that first one. I think there's going to be a
lot of people that send it. Would Jay go unbroken?
Jay would go well. He can't because 20 and 10.
What do you go? Yeah.
I think a lot of people try to go unbroken and then go to 3rd
to singles on double grace. I think we see that way more
than people pacing the whole thing.
And on the women's side? I actually guys I'm.
Actually, going to say. Taylor I want.
I want to see Tyler go first all.
Right, Taylor. Taylor going to win it, OK?
Taylor's going to win. I have Grace Grace Walton.
Yeah. I really like that pick.
She's with underdogs now. Yeah, well, that makes me like
it even more. OK, I'll ride the train.
I'll go Gracie Walton. 20 and 10 so he's going all out, so.
Yeah, there you go. Heard from him?
I. Wonder if everybody goes like
that. I still think Jake can win that
one. Both of them.
I How you think he moves faster than everybody else because I
don't think he moves faster. I think he'll have.
More than a tank 5 minute workout.
I think he'll have more in the tank after that first thirty
than everybody else. No, but I'm saying I don't think
he wins the 1st, 30. Yeah.
He's act like that's a given. Maybe he does, maybe he does.
I you know. Allegra are welcome member.
So I set up memberships. I haven't done anything.
I think I may have set up a couple emojis for it, I don't
know. But when when Pedro did it, I
was like, hey, I'll turn it on. So hop on the train.
Thank. Thank you, Allegra.
T Bird also prime member, I think.
Maybe I didn't see her. She's got the thing.
I don't know if that's. What he said, he said, he said.
Peter, Peter Ellis. Peter Ellis.
Yeah. Hey.
Jay, other than Maddie, who do you got not allowed to pick her?
TuneIn. I don't know why it's doing
this, but I think I have AI. Did AI did a mountain emoji?
Oh. Did ya?
Yeah, There we go. Second, second topic.
Dubai came out with a event for theirs, Max Snatch, Max clean
and jerk. We don't know.
The format caused some discussion amongst our group and
Brian Friend then wrote an article about are we testing one
Rep Max Olympic lifting too often?
The stats department got in there pretty heavily, went
through a lot of detail on every time a Max snatch, clean, clean
and jerk has been programmed and kind of broke it down.
I mean even going to the Malaga throwdown in 2022, so going way
deeper than I would have. So the question is, we've seen
it at the at the Games this year.
We've seen it plenty of times before.
I think really what Brian kind of drew is that if you look at
the entire history of the of the whole CrossFit Games, it's
probably not been too much, but we've seen it a lot lately.
Are we seeing Olympic weightlifting tested in a single
modality format? Too much in your opinion.
Tyler my yes. I mean it's such I think the
clean and jar so the snatch more so than the clean and jerk
because you can. Like Chandler is not a real
great technical mover, but he's he's good at the clean and jerk
because he can out strength it, right?
And essentially that's what those two things we're testing
is strength and skill. And there's a point when the
skill is so specific and it doesn't make sense to me to be a
broadly Chet tested, tested event.
Right? And there's there's so many
other ways you can test strength that I would rather see.
And so my boat is yes, specifically on the snatch but
then also the queen and jerk. John, I'm interested to hear
your take. And one more thing.
I hate. I'm really bad at snatch, so
fair enough. The first thing I would say is
like, are we you, are you tired of handstand walking?
Because that is is there's a handstand walking only event in
every single competition. It's almost always just a
handstand walking event, especially at the games at
specifically at the games. I know handstand walking is in a
lot of workouts, but there is a handstand walking specific event
a lot at the games and if there's not then 30 ring muscle
UPS, like that's a single modality gymnastics and I and I
get mixing them around. I use handstand walking because
like that's the one I think comes up the most.
But and then what about running? Like we do a running only event
all the time, right? I'm not complaining because
that's all I freaking do. Now I'm looking forward to the
running event at the fittest experience.
But guess what? There's going to be a running
event at the fist experience and then there's going to be a
lifting event at the fittest experience.
I get. I get where people are coming
from, where it's like you only see a one Rep Max snatcher clean
and jerk. Well, an Olympic lifting there's
only two lifts, It's snatching, clean and jerk.
And you could split the clean and jerk up into two different
ways, the clean and the jerk, right.
That's, you know, if they wanted to test power, I think that's a
way to change it. But you got to be real strict on
your standard, you know what I mean?
Like I don't know how you like you.
We've only we only test powers because it's hard to hard to
see, right. But like overhead squat, I think
that's a part of Olympic lifting and anytime that's on a a Max
out thing, people don't get in a bind.
I just think people get tired of it because it's 2 lifts and
running. You can Sprint running, you can
run long, you can run the middle, you can do a mile test,
but it's still just running and we don't get tired of that and
I'm not tired of it. Either.
Yeah, but you don't. You don't have to put in the
hours to run as well as like to the level that is is really good
that you do with snatch. How would you argue the
opposite? I snatched 275 within one year
of trying to snatch. Yes, John, and you're a freak at
lifting. That doesn't count.
Man, what? There's freaks at running.
I just think there's more of them.
I think there's more. People.
If there's more of them, it doesn't make them freaks.
No, no, no, no, Okay, that's fair.
There are more people that are just natural or like take
aerobic fitness better than others.
Then there are people who take strength gains better than.
Others, and I think that's because of the skill, dude.
I don't think it has to do anything with with your your
ability to get better strength. It's that the ability to run is
not a hard skill. We're built to do that as
humans, but to do a snatch is not a natural movement in any
manner, and it's a very specific skill you have to work on.
But I guess, I mean if we're doing a one Rep Max lift like
even your boy brawny right here saying we shouldn't be doing
these types of single modality tests whether it's running like
LDY has here, are we running, we're testing running too often
as well like as a single modality or should we build it
in and like we just talked about down under like they just did
the the squat cleans but they have to do ring muscle UPS.
Right. And we and what did we say?
We said it was muscle. UPS were irrelevant.
But they programmed it that way. Right, I think the idea.
I think the idea is. Right.
Maybe. Do we make it differently,
right, like you got? And I would argue if you did it
like how Jr. did it, it's no, like it is a strength test, but
it just hurts the strength athletes more than the
gymnastics athletes basically evens the playing field.
So then, right, for a strength test, essentially you're saying,
hey, you guys that are strong, you don't get to be strong
anymore. Hey you gymnastics guys that
aren't strong here's a bone and I'm not saying it's wrong.
OK, before you like we like start arguing.
I don't necessarily think it's wrong.
I just don't think it's like hey we don't need to one Rep Max
test anymore. Like I don't.
I don't. I think the games, I don't know
like the games did A1 Rep Max sandbag clean.
Is that a part of a one? It's a one Rep Max lifting.
Right. But that's tired of that.
My second question is, should we be doing things like that
instead of like the games just had it?
And I know that maybe they've already been planning this the
the programming for Down Under before this was announced, but.
Dubai. For Dubai, well, no, but like
maybe the games programming. Dubai was programmed before the
games came out with it. But do we want to see Bratislaw
go do A1 Rep Max Snatch and clean and drink again?
Or would we rather have him lift a sandbag or do some other type
of strength based event, whether it's like a strong main event or
something like that? I would argue more people would
rather see them snatch and clean and jerk.
I mean, yeah, imagine the reels that are going to get created.
That's a lot. That's probably got a lot to do
with it. It's really easy, like visually
and sellable. And to me, as a a bit of a
purist, that kind of pisses me off.
But I think it was really sellable.
It was really sellable to see people lift a sandbag.
It may have taken Jacqueline Dahlstrom an entire real length
to be able to do it, but it's really cool.
Yeah, I'm just wondering if if should we be testing different
things for the strength piece of it versus just clean and jerk
and snatch? I'm saying that you take away
from the clean and jerk and snatch if you test it for
different, it's a part of strength.
It's our main thing of strength. It's hard.
To do many. Different things, but OK, Like
if they had like the CrossFit total, for instance, they had
the CrossFit total at the games, right?
That's a great way to test strength, right?
In quarterfinals they had the other total, which has an
Olympic lift and then bench press in it.
Great way to test strength, right?
Sorry, there's a car out here. My dogs are freaking out.
And what I'm saying is I think we should have.
So like if you have the games or Dubai, you can have a brute
strength way to test strength and then you can have an Olympic
way to test strength and then you have things that combine
them, right? That's CrossFit, and you also
have your single modality running event, your single
modality gymnastics event, and then you combine them like, I
don't see any problem if like if it's just the Olympic lifting
thing that you're getting behind.
Like we always have a single modality endurance event or we
have just a. Single modality, yes, not single
movement. Yeah, I mean, you get running.
You've had Handstand Walk in the semifinals in the past.
Yes, but those are always variable.
I yeah, so, so like, I think, I think the Olympic lifts are just
less variable than those other two things.
But we have it in other things. People just don't complain about
it the way they do Olympic lifting.
And and I think it's just because it's skews, I would
argue Olympic lifting skews the leaderboard more than those,
more than running does or more than handstand walking does.
And that's why it's like this shouldn't be there, but I I
absolutely think it should be there.
If you want to make it like a three Rep squat clean Max, you
can make it variable like that, you know, Travis Mayer, three
Rep squat clean 350. And I've not ever seen anybody
else do that, right. Like, I think Jeff Adler
probably can do that, but I've never seen him do it.
And like, you can make it variable.
So like if it's one Rep Max that's the problem, then do an 8
Rep Max clean, right. That's really hard to do right.
Eight reps like touch and go, you are not allowed to rest on
the ground. That's a variable way to test
strength. You know, like that's how you
can make it variable. I don't think we should just do
away with it though, because it feels like we do it too much.
It's a part of testing strength. I think every competition should
have a brute way to test strength.
Squat, deadlift, bench press. Hitler made a great post about
bench press. I don't think we test bench
press like at all. Which again, I don't have a
problem with it, but or sandbags, A brute way to test
strength, sled push. We don't have to do it.
Pull a. Volkswagen do something
different than always just doing the two lists hear.
Me on, hear me on, I think there's.
Always Volkswagens. A brute way to test strength and
then a Olympic lifting way to test strength because it's a
part of strength, fitness, it's a part of it.
It's a whole sport, right? Like, and I think every
competition should test strength in those two ways.
And then you can test running and however way you want to test
it, probably sprinting in long distance, right?
Which they always do sprinting in long distance.
And then if you want to test gymnastics, usually with
handstand walking, and then pick your thing, legless rope climbs,
ring muscle UPS, there's always a varied gymnastics specific
workout where the gymnastics is the crux of the workout.
Sometimes it's handstand push ups and then every other event
that covers 6 events right every other event's CrossFit.
That's it. It's a lot of events which I
have my own thoughts about. If you have, if you have 13
events, if you have 13 events, that's seven events.
CrossFit. The game.
That's the games, I'm just saying.
Is a different Taylor, so. I'm just saying for something
like Dubai. OK, so, but OK.
We only have 678 events for sure.
OK, OK. How many events do you have?
8. 8. So then for a Dubai, there
should be 1 endurance specific event, right?
Yeah, it's probably, it's probably going to be, I'm just
saying one one year, one year it was climbing stairs for 40
minutes and then there should be one specific strength event.
They chose Olympic lifting, so that means they should not be a
brute strength one. And then you have one gymnastics
specific event, probably ring muscle UPS because they love it
or those funky freaking whatever backwards chest of our pull ups
they like to do. They like to do whatever funky
stuff they want to do, but like gymnastics specific event and
then the rest is CrossFit. So you have 5 CrossFit events
where it's a whole bunch of stuff the way to moderate or
light however you want to do it, and then the gymnastics is
whatever you want. It's all it's just called
Crossfitty. There can be running in there
too, you know. You know what I mean?
You know what I'm saying? But there's three events to test
specific modalities, endurance, gymnastics and strength.
They chose Olympic lifting. It could have been a one Rep Max
deadlift. I think people would be just as
mad about that because that just happens, right?
Should. We find some other ways.
That I don't think so. I think you should.
I think you should make sure the test is well-rounded, right?
So there should be a specific strength event, a specific
endurance event, a specific gymnastics event, and then the
rest CrossFit. If it's a bigger competition,
you do 2 of each and I think that makes for a really good
competition. Well, I'm sure that the PFAA
will have something to say about that at some point.
I disagree with you, but last topic.
Why do you disagree? I think.
It doesn't need 8 minutes it. Doesn't need to be the same the
same 2 lifts. I think you should vary it such
that I. Just told you how to vary it.
But I don't want to see, I don't want to see one of those events
always be Olympic lifting. Every single event there is one
of those events is running, but you ran cross.
Country. I'm not saying that I don't want
to see. No, I don't.
I don't want to see. I don't have a problem with it.
I don't want to see running as the first event every time
either. OK, I I would argue we don't
talk about that ever. And we're talking about this and
I think it's stupid. You argued about you.
It's your argument. Let's do PFAA.
Let's go. All right.
So Tier Watapalooza formed a
partnership with Brent Fakowski's PFAA.
And basically Watapalooza agreed, I guess is the best way
of saying it to commit to certain things for the
competition. And so the PFA has it on there,
Water Palooza has it on their website.
And so it goes through a lot of detail.
And I want to kind of get your thoughts on, is this the right
direction for the sport? We need Peter.
We need Peter here to to make a joke about how they're trying to
rival Rogues instructions for workouts with how long this
there's. A There's a lot.
Going on here. How like in what's the word I'm
looking for like resume? It looks like the resume's the
wrong word, but manual like it looks like a manual.
It's like the. It's the Organizer Event manual,
so like water, Palooza agrees to provide the following
information 30 days prior to the competition.
The number of workouts, number of times they take the floor,
scoring details, point breakdowns which athletes have
to swim and swag details which seems odd.
Number of workouts like. Is that really important in an
event like that that eliminates surprise events, that eliminates
like the unknown, unknowable of what you're going to be doing?
Like, is that where we should be focusing our time, Tyler?
Why do unions exist? That's, that was my question.
Whenever I started reading this, and it's usually because
somebody wasn't doing something and people got pissed off about
it and fed up. And so they got together and
they were like, enough of this, right?
And so Brent is doing that because he's been fed up with
how events have run in the past. And I'm not talking about Water
Palooza specifically. I'm talking about the industry
as a whole. And fair enough, like things
didn't look like they were going to change for a long time and
there was a lot of stuff going on.
And so Brent's an industrious guy.
He gets together and starts doing this.
Reading through this, it's clear that Brent is a taskmaster and
will leave no rock unturned. And that's his job.
He's running the PFA and that's fine if I'm And so now you have
this group trying to solve this problem and Dylan's face to do
what? Like he can never either say no,
you can go to hell. I don't want to do with your
thing which only creates bad press for water Palooza.
Or you can say yes, come along, which I think is the smarter,
the smarter thing, because then he controls how much and
especially from the beginning, right?
And if you watch the interview he did with Sean, they both did
with Sean, it's like, OK, they want to create this
relationship. And to me, I I get that I would
rather control the relationship from the front as opposed to
have to deal with it later. But as a whole, I don't like the
direction I think. I think events should just do
this stuff on their own. If I were running an event, I
would not want somebody in my pocket.
I don't want someone telling me what to do.
And so it's. Like fair, I bet.
I think Brent would probably agree with you.
Right. Is this true?
I didn't. I didn't catch the talking elite
fitness interview. But did Juana Palooza approach
the PFAA? I don't know if that's true, but
if it is true, it doesn't make sense.
Like just get on board with us. Like, I don't.
I don't think that that's an ignorant move.
I don't. I just don't.
I don't like the, I don't like the wormhole.
If this opens up. What is just what?
What would make it explain? To me, like a lot of problems is
when groups become too large, there's too many voices in the
room, nothing gets done as opposed to there's just one or
two voices in the room and then everything gets done because
it's you don't have that many decision makers, right?
And so to me, all the athletes are going to get a voice.
And I'm not saying that they don't deserve a voice, but it's
like some things like this could just rather easily be taken care
of if event runners just ran a good event to begin with.
Like nothing in this thing is that.
Thing though. Like, you know what I mean?
Like what? Do you mean if it's a cop out?
I'm. Saying like it would be a
perfect world if if all events ran well but.
But like some, there's so many things in this document that are
low, like low hanging fruit now, like the swag thing.
Like to me, why do you need to know what swag you're getting?
Be happy you're getting swag and and just go on with it.
Like, why? Why do you need any warning
about that? That's strange.
People say you're winning a swag bag.
I'm like, OK, so I'm winning nothing.
Like that's how I feel about a swag.
Free protein. Well, like like they do that in
local competition. Like it's not worth my time.
I I don't think I'm opposed to studying a framework for it, but
I feel like some of it went maybe a bit just too far, like,
why is this? Why are we boxing ourselves in?
One of the things in there was like prize purse, great having a
liaison to understand what's going on with that, OK.
But I get down here and it's talking about where is it
scoring And basically it sounds like your your Peace Corps would
never be implemented in what of pleasure?
Because they wouldn't even know. But you know what like this is,
this is a, this is an instance that it's a good example ahead
of the Crucible, Jr. said. Write me up a short thing about
Peace Corps, how it works and how to get a hold of you.
He sent it out to the athletes and I like, made it explicit.
Please reach out to me. I don't care to talk about this.
But he know he knew people were going to have issues with it or
want to understand more about it.
And it's like, but no one was holding his hand or like turning
in his arm and saying, hey, you have to take care of this.
He just went ahead and did it on his own and that's what I'm
talking about. Like just run a good event.
Should. I mean, we've gotten to this
point by innovation? Like my thought of it when I see
this was does it stifle new creative ways of running a
competition? Because, like, there's certain,
you know, minimum work requirements that are
understandable. There's standards for like
handstand push ups or whatever. Like new movements have to be
almost like they were almost like vetted in some way.
Or like you can't bring something new to the table like
you've seen in the past without it causing an uproar.
Yeah, those logs in 2014 that they had to carry on those on
their backs, that'd be outlawed for sure, right?
2013. 13, yeah. Thank you, John.
Sorry. Yeah, I just, I just don't know
like why? Why couldn't you have a winner
take all final event if you had some way of like, hey the top
five get into it, you make it clear at the beginning, the top
five fight for the top spot. Like, I'm not saying that's the
best way of doing it, but to say that you can never run a
competition that way seems odd to me.
I. Agree.
I agree to like that for them like it feels like they kind of
have strapped them down on what they can and can't do and that's
a relationship is never, it's never a good relationship.
When somebody says hey you can do this, you can't do this like
and that's how you start the relationship, right.
With anything. I I I do think it's better that
it's overdone than underdone, right.
It's very clear. If they agree to this then we
know what to expect and that's nice.
Is that good for the sport though?
I don't know. It doesn't seem like a it it
says president it's it's a dangerous president eventually
and maybe under the control of of Brent we don't have to worry
about it. But like Brent might not always
be around to want to do this And so it's like, yeah, I I I just
don't like where it goes. The one thing I did wonder is if
eventually, like, like, right now, I don't know.
It's like, what if Water Palooza says we're going to agree to do
all of this, and then they don't do any, They don't deliver on
any of it, What the Hell's going to happen?
The athletes are already at the event that, like, there's
nothing that's going to happen now.
Eventually it would probably be not positive, but like they're.
Already there manual like if you do not abide, you owe us 30. 7
right? Like I I need.
I need that in the manual. I mean like just poking the
holes in this. This seemed like a friendly
effort from Water Palooza to PFA, which I I do, I I do think
it's positive, but I just don't like the whole contractual
agreement looking thing about it.
Yeah, I mean they, they even signed it.
So it's very, very contractual. Yeah, I don't know, I just
thought it was interesting like is this the right direction?
Should are we, are we cornering ourselves into this is what a
competition looks like and that's what it's going to be.
We talk about how it's a new sport.
Are we? Are we really at a point where
we don't need to worry about changing anything down the road?
So go check it out. It's on Water, Palooza site, PFA
as well. They have it in their news
section. And then you can always go to
talk and Elite Fitness and see Brent and Dylan kind of discuss
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