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I'd say we've been doing this podcast for a long time down
along. We've been doing the podcast for
roughly ballpark 18. Months for the podcast we've.
Been in here for a long 418 months, done the podcast, been
in the studio for four and I've had a lot of guests.
You're talking hundreds of hours worth of content.
Some of the best comedians in the land and funny stuff's
happened but just a second ago I just got confused as to which
camera I should be looking in and Don has never laughed more
than that moment there, you know, Which is disrespectful
because we've had the finest comedy minds in and all the
Turkish from me. They realised that after 18
months I've been looking on the wrong camera the whole time.
It's because you went down. What camera am I looking at?
And there's literally only one camera pointed at your face.
Yeah, yeah. Look, but that's you.
That's you. That's.
Just and I make no. Apologies for that's just.
The way you are, the end of the day.
At the end of the day. I'm joined by Aaron Butler.
Hello. Good to be here, thanks for
having me. This is the most normal you've
been dressed. It's like you're trying to do an
impression of a regular guy. And it's not working the yeah,
I'm just it's the feeler today. So don't want to disrespect any
of the events happening left the host didn't want to be too loud
and in your because I live beside where the feel is
happening. So I just went let Matt Conlon
have his moment. Let him enjoy the daggers his
day today, and I hope he wins. Will you be?
Will you be there? Tonight I'm in Castlederg with
Paddy McDonald tonight doing support.
The biggest cultural celebration.
Don't you want me to do reads? Yeah, Don wants me to do some
reads. You do reads and we'll come back
to that. Let's park that.
Sorry, go. Sorry, let's do some.
Reads Read it out. Let me kick off Blue tube with
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No. Let's get into it.
Sure. My guest is Aaron Butler.
Do you have a middle name? Mitchell, I swear to God I do.
I don't even have my ID on me. Hold on.
If I can find a photo of my ID. Mitchell Butler sounds like a
law firm that I would not want to represent.
Genuinely, if I can find a document on my Dropbox, yeah,
your. Mum like your mum like these
standards. I don't know what the the
concept behind Mitchell was that no, they didn't even because
they had. Well, Mitchell can be a first
name as well. Yeah, the butt.
Mitchell Butler. Yeah.
Our Mitchell Butler sounds like the sassiest choreographer in
Time. In ways then the I can't find, I
can't. Believe you.
I believe you've gone into that. You've sorry.
Do you mind? You, you don't mind.
The name is. No.
Stewart, but it's spelled Stewart.
Hate that, hate that. I want to lose it like.
Yeah, do just what do you do? Do you have to go to court or
something and just legally? Drop.
I mean, I don't, I don't think you go to court.
I think you maybe just fill in like a thing.
I think you go to court like packed courthouse in a jury.
And announce it you. Could give your evidence and
weirdly there's a prosecution, you have the defence.
Yeah, you go to gaol for it. Aaron Mitchell Butler.
And you honestly that that's a better stage name than Aaron
Butler. Aaron Mitchell Butler.
I start using it now, yeah. Because Aaron Mitchell Butler
sounds like he might do stand up.
He might do. Interpretive dance I do.
It might be like, you know, stop smoking Lecture from Aaron
Mitchell Butler. Yeah, I tell Internet safety to
kids in schools. Yeah, not well.
Well, you would not be the person.
Well, the the we were, I'm gigging with Patty McDonald, the
Minnows Tour, and he's just saying stuff.
Tell me more. And yeah, he's just saying it's
very different vibe than gigging with you on your tour.
He just says stuff and most like 90% of his stories start with
I've a mate right and the rest of the story just goes into
utter chaos by the way. You know when he says I've got a
mate, what he means is this is this happened to me?
It's all him but he said one line out of the blue last night
and I had to stop and just go. That's that's shite Paddy.
I'd literally he goes, he's in bag of Williams car.
He goes, 7 out of 10 people are paid offence and I went and
there was utter silence and I just thought and went no, I was
like, that's not true and I've. Used in a car looking at each
other, do a man. That's why I was like, I was
like, so statistically me, your William is a paedophile right
now is what you're saying. And I was like, you're saying
70% of the world's population is a paedophile.
He goes, aw, he's like nobody. That's not true.
He's like, look it up. 7 out of 10 people are paedophiles.
I mean, statistics of Patty McDonnell, I was like, it's just
not. It just can't be real.
And he'll like he proper conviction on what he says.
Like believes it to the NTH degree, but that's Patty for
you. 7 out of 10 people. Get very different treatment
with Patty as well compared to like yourself or whatever.
We went to the the elk last night and as you know, when we
go to the Elk, they. Oh, my backstage vibe is a lot
of, you know, a lot of potpourri, a lot of buffets,
shades, long. It's it's just, yeah, we get, we
get the works, Yeah. Then we get when we went there
last time, they gave us menus on the way in.
They put us in a beautiful room. They like the trade guys just
come down whenever you feel like blah, blah.
We show up a party. They're just like, I go out the
back there, There's no, not even a glass of water.
Like I was just sitting there going, this isn't as cool now
people. Panic when I come in as if I'm,
you know, like an undercover. Shopper.
Yeah, like. If you knew there was an
undercover shopper, you'd be running about being like, here,
this is the best trolley. People like, run in.
They're like, oh, the Weeble has dietary.
Requirements. Yeah, they do.
There's always someone running about sweating at my gigs that
works there that like and I'm really overworking them.
Yeah, and the whole week leading up, do you arrive and they're
like, Shane's coming tomorrow? Yeah, I'm the only guy who gets
a Coke 0 with this meal and demands they just pour a bit so
I can taste it. Yes, I mean 7.
He's talking about 7 out of 10 people's paedophile at 7 out of
10 gigs. I'll spit in a member of staff's
face if something substandard, even just a little bit like I've
seen it, I fly off the handle easily.
Justifiably though, you know they deserve it.
We deserve the utmost of treatment and we go to the top
of the town in Antrim. Here I was going to ask you
this, like what? Because you know, in the podcast
we have a lot of fun. We have a lot of fun and we can
talk. What I love about doing in the
podcast is we can change gear, we can talk about anything.
And what do you think is the key to happiness?
Oh, that's a, that's a deep. Big one, luck.
And has your answer to that or your perception of happiness
changed over time? Yes.
Like so in my marketing course in uni, we used to study like
that whole thing because it was like when you make people happy.
Well, when you're doing marketing, they're like when
they're talking about products or services that you're marking
to people, like they're talking about how you can market
something to make someone feel like it makes them happy.
So you buy it. So for example, if if Apple make
a product that's an iPhone or an iPad and they show the advert,
you're listening to music, you're walking down the street,
you're happy, you see that and you go, you associate that with
happiness. So it was called Maslow's
hierarchy of needs, which is like this table that was
constructed like years ago. It's like a pyramid.
At the top it's, it's like stuff like love.
And at the bottom you have stuff like food, stuff that you
actually need to survey food shelter.
And it starts getting up to more personal stuff like, you know,
your own goals and self esteem and blah, blah, blah.
So I think it's just a whole mix of thing, things like that.
But in terms of like, what's changed, I think maybe when I
was younger, maybe what made me happy was, I don't know, like
it's so hard to answer. What about you?
What like. As in the differences between
what you used to be having. Yeah, well, like, do you know
what? What used to make you happy was
simpler, wasn't it? Like when you were 14, getting a
chippy made you happy. I think almost the opposite.
I think I would have wanted everything the line up.
When you were younger. Yeah, I would have wanted it
would have taken not I'm like pretty happy person.
But when I was younger, I'd be like, if this is if this happens
and then that means that happens and then that knocks onto the if
all these things happen together, then I'll be happy.
I would need everything in my life to be going right before I
was like amazing. Whereas now I will definitely
celebrate the smaller victories more, right, and I'll go all
these other things might be happening, but this thing just
happened. Case in point yesterday.
So we're living with the my inlaws for a while while our
house getting done and I order AT shirt and a hoodie on a
sauce. This is happiness for me.
All right, so so that's making me happy that they're arriving.
We things like that. I'm looking forward to that.
And my, my mother-in-law texts me, I think and says, what did
you order? And I was like just T-shirt and
hoodies. Like it's the biggest package
I've ever seen. That makes me happy because I'm
going, they've sent the wrong order, but what's in it?
So I'm buzzing to get home and go through this because I know
that they fucked up the order. And I think if my original stuff
is also in this and there's extra stuff, this is the stuff
dreams were made of. Because who knows, maybe it was
like some sort of Middle Eastern.
It was my order. It was my order.
I mean if it was your order I. Would have arrived on a draft.
I'd be like, I can't wear this stuff because I'm white, you
know, but me neither. But I but I got back and I
looked at this the ASOS package was this by this.
That's a big. One it was it was it was like a
Buffalo. The a sauce package.
I tear into it. I'm like if this guy that's
ordered this stuff is also like very stylish and a medium.
You're you're just going to roll with it.
Best. Yeah.
Now when I opened it, all the stuff was pretty shakier and it
was large, but my stuff was in it.
But I loved. The fact that I.
Just had all this stuff and I was like, I could give this
purse this to this person and maybe I'll drop these into a
charity shop that that just made me really happy.
Yeah, that is a good one. Sort of simple small thing like
that. I get the small things.
The small things kind of make me happy, like I'd probably have a
flat line of happiness. So we unexpected, unexpected
things make me very happy. Yeah.
And I think for me as well, it's like just trying not to let
anything trigger like me being sad or angry, like we all, you
know, some you always get bad news or something, you always
get fucked off at it or whatever.
And it's like you sit back and go right, Well, tomorrow I'm
still going to wake up and I'm still going to go to work and go
about my day because you have to as normal.
Nothing's going to stop. Like so like that realisation
always made me think like, Oh well, nothing's really that
massively bad in the scheme of things, you know when?
You you probably learn acceptance better when you get
older as yes, I accept that you've, when you think about it,
you've so many spinning plates. There are so many family, work,
health, all this. And it's like if if you get them
all the line, if you tried to get them all to be perfect.
It's never going to. Work.
You don't get anything done. You just have to accept that
like, well, that plate's. Smashed.
That's about to fall. Fuck, that's nice.
Yeah. But I, I explained it so
recently as like whack A mole. Yeah, that game where you like,
bang all the things down and then another one pops up.
Motivational. Speaker So it's the key to
happiness you. Can't.
You can't keep running about smacking that one now, because
then that one pops up and you smack that one down and then to
come up after a while, you have to just sort.
Of throw the mallet down and let the moles.
You get all the moles you're just looking at and you're like,
you just have to accept that the moles are going to keep coming
up until they actually get and I think I'm doing OK, but all the
moles will eventually come up to the service and just eat you to
death. No, they want you to hit them
with the hammer. They come up and they go, you
know what I mean? They have they're holding on at
the end all they're like, come on, you're like, no, you have to
stay. There's no like, I think you
just have to get it to a point where everything's all right.
Yeah. That's all it is.
Happiness. Probably, yeah.
But I also think everyone just has that worst, just like you're
just making the best of the situation at the current time.
You know what I mean? That's all.
That's all you can do. Like the but you know.
When we were doing Dad Boys, we had the expert Alex on.
So I sent her an e-mail one day and she was giving us advice
about the boys, advice about parent.
And I said, look, I produced with these two comedians.
It's like having two kids you have to look after.
Do you have any advice for me? And she's like, lower your
expectations. Is this true?
Yeah. And have you lower expectations
in life? You'll be happier that that.
That's right though. That is true, yeah.
That's true. I mean very weird.
You want to do a childcare expert for advice on how to cope
with me and Dave? No.
Perfectly acceptable. Wasn't part of the show.
It was just like, explain the consequences of their actions to
them. Treat them, you know, reward,
reward. Good work.
Is that why you keep giving me Milky buttons?
Yeah. We gold stars in your forehead.
You just spent an. Hour and a half on the naughty
step before you arrived. But but you're right, lowering
your you know, the way people people go Well, I think that's
right, the lower expectations. But then sometimes I don't think
it's wrong to be like, you know, someones like I, but this
terrible thing might happen, like also might not.
I think you just have to see how everything goes.
Just see how it goes. Yeah, exactly.
Just have a middle ground with it.
Don't get too hyped up where you're like this is going to be
so good because then it'll never live up.
Because I do that with stand up comedy in general and work.
I used to, me and Dave used to at the start of every year write
out these goals that we had and looking back on them, we did
this like 6-7 years ago. I've done 1% of the things that
six years ago I wanted to do that year.
Some were ludicrous and I don't think that's bad to do it.
But when I didn't hit these like goals, it was like failure,
failure, failure, kind all many failures.
So now I'm very much like. I don't control.
There's so much that you can and won't control.
Yes, I I do, you know, it's, I think a good relatable example.
If you ever go in for like an acting audition and you nail the
audition, like nail the lines and the thing, but then it just
comes down. They're like, ah, you're 2
inches too short. Yeah.
And that's literally all it is. And that or sometimes it's like
your hair is just a little bit too brown for the screen or
that's I think. I think they're just telling.
I think that's, I mean, that sounds like it's the same people
as well. You're 2 inches too short.
OK, I can wear built up shoes. Your hair's too brown.
Good highlights, yeah. The auditions are are exactly
what I was going to relate that to.
Told the story in the podcast a couple of times before.
I love Line of Duty. I go in for a line of duty
audition. This is right.
I go especially to get because I want it so bad.
I go to my friend Marty McCann, who's, in my opinion, like, the
best actor here. And then he, like, coaches me.
And the difference in the start when I was like, OK, I think,
and I was in a Birmingham accent.
So I do it at the start to him. And he goes accents good.
But you're concentrating more on the accent than the acting, you
know? So we spend about two hours
going through it. And by the end I was like there
is such a big difference in what you've taught me here.
Should it send it off? 2 days later me and Dave were
about to do Boy Town where it's like caffe near in Hollywood.
I get a phone call from my agent who's based up in Derry and he
goes you've you've got, he phoned me and I before he said
anything I went I've got the part and I'm saying it as a
joke. I'm saying it as a joke though,
because again, when I even though I put the work into it,
I'm presuming I'm not going to get it.
So I go I got the part thinking in front of me about something
else. And he goes actually yes.
I was like, Oh my God, he goes, I'll phone you back and get more
details. I go in De Niro, tell Dave,
Dave's like me, That's unbelievable.
Gives me a hug and I'm like, this is great, like this so
good. I get ready to phone my wife and
mum and dad and then my agent phones me back and I again as I
go, don't tell me there's been a balls up hazard.
Ha ha ha. And he's like, yeah,
legitimately, that's the the casting director phoned the
agent of another actor called Shane because the guy who got is
called Shane and he was my agent.
Not his fault at all. Was so apologetic.
I thought he's gonna cry. He's like me.
He's man, I'm so sorry. He's like, I can't believe this.
And I was like, it's fine. And he goes, I know you're just
saying that. I was like, no, I was like, this
is funny. Like this is very funny because
I enjoy my own misfortune at times when like no one's died,
yes. You know what I mean?
The Van Morrison story being a key example last week.
Literally this day last week, So I ran into Dave and I'm more
excited to tell him about what's happened to me than I would have
been excited about getting the role.
I'm more excited to for this story to come out of like this.
Fucking balls up. That happened to me and I can't
control what else we're going to do, like be reagent or gutted
for weeks about this. I was like, no, it wasn't to be.
I mean, the only the only audition I was legitimately
like, you know, better grieve That was there's a movie from
here about stand up. They filmed it like earlier this
year at the start of this year and potty keep these in it.
And actually, yeah. Oh, I didn't know.
It's about a stand up course, right?
Right. And it's about comedy community,
people in a community that do a course in stand up comedy and
then they put on like a showcase.
I was asked to addition for it and I said, have I told you?
Isn't it Maybe I said my agents like do you want to the vast if
you want to. I mean, they ask hundreds of
people, but the vast if you want to go for this.
I said yeah. I said do you want me to pick
one of my clips and we'll send of media and stand up, We'll
send it over. He goes, yeah, they're, they're
looking for you to, to like audition, you know, to play a
part of a comedian. And I said, well, you know, I, I
already have the audition tape, kind of.
I've got What's better than the audition tape?
You don't my audition tape at the Waterfront Hall?
Or do you want my audition tape at the?
No, it wasn't that. I was saying I have this high
profile. I was actually being like, you
can see, hear me doing stand up. Yeah, you can also see a live
audience in it. So, you know, it probably shows
that I'm, I'd be pretty perfect for this because I am this, you
know, and they were like, no, they want, they've written a bit
of stand up for the script. They want you to read that to a
camera with no one there. And my argument was sort of
like, I know, but that's because of COVID and we'd be doing this
in the room. So I can show you me doing it in
a room. At the end of the day, it wasn't
that big and back and forth. I was like, no problem, I'll do
it. If that's what they want, I'll
do it no problem. And I get there and it says
like, feel free to improvise. So I make my own interpretation
of it. The premise of the bit is it's
like a bit about your DA, you know, it's a sort of bit I could
see myself doing. It wasn't a bad bit of stand up
and I'm like, you know, going a bit there, pan with it then and
it's fine. And I just didn't get the part.
So that's the only addition where although I look at them
after reflectively and go retrospectively and go, you
know, you know, no problem, just wasn't meant to be.
That's where I was like, that's hectic.
Yeah, because. I wasn't convincing enough of
being me. Yeah.
I stand up. Yeah, you know it.
Yeah, I can understand that wasn't.
That no, it was more excited to just get on the podcast and tell
the story. The but yeah, I.
Didn't Derry girls I fucked up? I was going to say, if you ever
like did an audition and got close to getting a part in
something. Derry Girls.
Derry girls, what was the part? Part was somebody that was I
don't know if the if the. Wasn't a recurring character.
It was like a one off. I don't know.
It might have been, but it was a character who, I'm not saying
too much detail, someone got that part, but bear in mind they
might have just been telling me someone said you were like it
was between you and this other person and he didn't get it.
Is that always? That might not be true.
That's always what they say though, wouldn't it?
But I didn't, It was my first ever audition in front of the
casting director, proper audition.
And they it said about being off book and I thought that meant
you can read off the book so you don't have to.
I was like, you don't. Have to learn it.
I was to do like, I think it was to do accent fine with that.
So I just walk in and they're like, do you want to start?
And I was like, yeah. And then I'm like this close to
my. Face, they were like, what are
you doing? You're like I'm off book deck
heads. Yeah, you know, they said they I
did it and I thought it went quite well.
And they were like, could you make some eye contact with us?
And I was like, well, I'd have to, you know, look at it.
And then do you want me to do it?
On book and then and then at the end the guy goes, do you want to
go to Starbucks, cross the road? They were so signed.
Do you want to go and try and learn it and then come back,
which like they didn't even have to do.
And I was like, OK. And then someone explained to me
days later what off book meant. And I was like.
Well, I was the opposite. I was on book and then like
months later somebody involved said if you hadn't known it you
would have got it. But that could have just been to
make me feel better. But.
I know sometimes it's sad. I've only there's one audition I
remember going horrendous and I shouldn't have even been at it.
It was when I was like 23. It's for soul playing too.
No, I would have got that. The other what's up, Snoop?
The other That's how I delivered my dialogue.
The But yeah, it was for I was like 23.
And I'll give him a shout out here, Kieran Doherty from
Stellify Media fame. Like a production company guy
that we know was like, and I know this guy casting for an
advert, he's like, I don't know any details about, but it's for
a comedian. He's like, just go down there.
He's like, it's a comedy role. He's like, go down there, I get
get you a time slot. 11:00 whatever.
I was like, cool. Yeah, I'm not doing anything
else. Oh, you were 23?
23 night. So keep in mind 23 like I looked
pretty young at 23 and maybe didn't have as much of A beard,
probably clean shaving, like very, very younger looking than
George or Hyman. Yes, they'll do the the Marshall
anyway. The the not for long and the I
don't know what that means, but I so I go down to the Rock and
Malone Rhoda River. The audition was being held and
they hand you like a page on the day.
They're like it's an advert for a shopping centre.
You're playing the role of a husband, right?
Right. They're playing a role of a
husband. And your line is yes, dear.
And you just have to repeat the line yes, dear over and over
again. And they're like, here's your
wife and they to the room like a 40 year old lady.
And I just went, I was just like, all right.
And they filmed the audition. So somewhere out there, this
tape exists. Oh, we have to.
Try. I don't know.
I don't even know what company was there anything?
Yes, dear. Yeah, but.
You could never, you and me could never call someone dear.
I know I was doing different variations and all I was like,
yes, dear, yes, dear, yes, dear, as just so bad.
Like I like I could, I was like, no, but you could tell even the
camera guy sat on the camera just standing there going we're
wasting everyone, we're wasting. Why don't we just tell this kid
to go home like he's 23. He can barely, he barely got
here like he's not going to have a wife, so.
Me and Dave auditioned for the one that Mickey got.
Yes. And it was in the Europa and you
auditioned as a pair. So if you didn't know someone,
you just got paired to the stranger.
Oh, that's interesting. But if you knew someone that was
wanting to this for you could go in together.
So me and Dave go in for it and it's an alpha heart and we're
playing two guys that are like, you know, going round Northern
Ireland looking at different things.
And but we got into the room and they said we want you to, you're
going to like run about the Giant's Causeway or something
with Pints of Harp. So we said like, oh great.
And we're looking for the Pints of Harp for the addition.
And they went so yeah, just just visualise the harp.
And I looked at Dave and looked at them and I was like, can we
get like, are we going to get Pints of Harp?
Do you notice the theme between this and the last story?
You take things too literally. Yeah, off book like.
It's an odd for Harp, we're told with pints Harp and we're doing
it in the Europa where there are multiple bars and I'm sure they
serve Harp. So unrealistically.
I expect to have pints of Harp and the guy goes just fill it
out just over time. And I'm like, well, there's a
bar there. If we could get those anyway, me
and Dave do it. And it's all like, you know, and
if you're acting trained and stuff, and maybe you haven't,
like, you know, stage background, you'd be more
comfortable doing this. But they're basically saying
pretend you're on a Ferris wheel, pretend you're in a car.
But. I can't because I just really do
stand up. It's it's me and a microphone
and nothing's make believe. Yeah, you can't like put
yourself in the scenario and just.
No, I can't be comfortable being like, you know, like doing that.
Like, that was pretty good, right?
I don't know why I'm. Why something like go up so
high? That's why I didn't get that
citranade. You're just driving in a car,
all right? It's doing yoga.
So hey man, you want to you want to hit the town here?
You'd be the. Worst mime artist ever.
So anyway, we, you know, they're like, you know, you're running
away from Finn Mccool, you're running down the Giants 'cause.
You're like where is. He you're.
Like, I know Hordor, do you want me to get him to come in?
You're on the way, these pints. So me and David pretend to walk
about the pints and me and Dave take a laugh and fit journal
because we know we're not going to get it.
And it's like you with the shop, etcetera.
We know we're not going to get it.
So we know this is a huge waste of everyone's time, but no one's
going to stop it. So we're there for like 15
minutes doing all these act outs and Dave and I are gone like in
statues giggling and no one else is laughing.
So we have these fake pints of harp and all and you know, do
cheer cheers. And then you know, you're,
you're, you're, you know, you're running down the West link.
All this stuff goes on at the end of the thing.
The guys are like, so guys, cheers, we'll be in touch.
And we know they're not going to be in touch at the end, right?
Bear in mind they haven't laughed.
The crew haven't laughed at anything.
Casting team where we're from, England, they haven't laughed at
anything me and Dave have done. As me and Dave were walking out
the door, we like, nodded each other and we went and we walked
back up to them and they were getting ready for the next
people coming. And me and Dave went, you know,
just give me those. The guy's like, yeah, yeah, just
fucking set them there. Like oh sorry mate, that guy's
felt a wee. Bit over there.
Pass out the next actor. Sanitise up before you handle
them, yeah. Sure, I'm driving, but so then.
So then I got. He was like Heisel looking
oh. Key to key to happiness?
I don't know. It's a, it's a big, it's a, it's
a creative. Like, do you ever watch any of
the motivational coaches or anything like that or they're
so-called? Do you like there's not really,
I remember. I feel bad for the people that
get like sucked into it, like, you know, the seminars and stuff
and like. Yeah, I remember driving the
football once and I hadn't been playing well.
You've been playing well, and I decided to get some like
motivational YouTube that RIP the audio from YouTube
motivational videos, you know, like building music in the
background and at some retired US Sergeant.
And he's like, you wake up every day, Yeah, knowing that you're
going to, you might fail, but you still wake up, you know,
that sort of thing. Yeah.
Like those? Put that in.
Arnold Schwarzenegger gave some speech at a university about the
510 rules of life or something. I listened to this driving the
Donner Park in Newcastle to play a match.
Get there fucking pumped. We got beat like 9 nil.
Like brutal. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's
I've did that before as well. All that like even like
motivation in real life, like if you had like, you know, a
teacher or a coach or something like screaming at you and trying
to, it doesn't really work with me.
I like just like straight up normal child.
Yes, don't change things that you would normally do in your
daily life, because then it's not you.
And then I wouldn't want to build like a reliance on that
level of motivation. Yeah.
Or like, if I didn't have a chance to like, listen to some
sort of recording or watch some video or have a session with
some like, motivate Motivator and Mr Motivator.
If I miss that, then I'll be panicked.
And I, I, I know I'm, I think I'm pretty self motivated.
Yeah. Times where I'm not.
Yes, but. By and large, I'm naturally
pretty motivated to like, work hard and do well.
Well, yeah, you've got like good motivation in terms of like, you
know, what you want for yourself.
You've your own goals and stuff like that thing.
You also have the family to look after, which is a motivator too,
and things like that. And you have your house that
you're working on, which is a motivator.
And we all have those little things, you know, and I think
that's, that's a healthy thing to have.
Motivator And then all, you know, I'm doing all the building
work myself. So you are.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shoulders.
Are coming in well. Foundations are very why do you?
I think that's just the scam. Foundations.
Bricks below the house. Yeah, I know.
Yeah, good one. Just.
You start at ground level with the bricks.
Yeah, I think that's probably the best way to do.
It save money, yeah, you know, save, save resource.
The house will be fine. Yeah, yeah, I'm doing timber,
timber frame, all timber really. All timber frame, all wood.
That's good. I would love it if a property
developer for some sort of reality TV show paid me and you
to build a house and we had a week to do it and a family of
five. Oh no.
No experience. We're not allowed to bring
anyone else in. We just have like a yard of
supplies. I mean, you have to build them a
house. We here's what would happen.
We would just go, we would go buy one of those fucking bouncy
castles or something and just blow it up.
No, one of those house bouncy castles.
Cement around it, yeah. That would be something we would
do. The only DIY we've ever done was
in your office in in the old boy town office in Hollywood.
Me and you at the start of one of the years just decided to
take a notion and do some DIY let.
Me set this up. We used to have the boy, the
first ever Boy Town studio that me and Dave had was also in
Hollywood. Yeah, we've had three offices.
We started in this one and it was you were never, you were in
it once or twice. First couple of episodes of.
First episodes of this, we're in there.
I forgot about that. And you can tell that like it's
a bed. It was.
It was rough. It was a you had the IT was on.
You go up a fire escape around the back of a restaurant and
cross the roof of the restaurant.
You walk across the roof. Didn't feel legal.
Well, anyway, it was it was bad, but like we, we loved it at the
time. Yeah, it had somewhere to go.
It had charm. It was like it was his own
thing. I.
Mean it had charm, but also I would never have been in it
alone looking for anyone also come on, come on around the
studio one. We'll do a podcast just around
the people in the street sit there while I work because I'm
scared from my life. But but there was like a lot you
could have you could have done a lot.
We did do a lot like we put open windows in it because the window
we're just a window put open windows in.
We carpeted it out. We kept it as tidy we bits and
pieces, but then yeah, it was like the start of a year and
probably that motivating thing where you're like, look, let's
go into this year and do it right.
And I said I want to I want to just do some improvements to it.
So I got my best man for the job.
Me and the Batman took ourselves to don't think it was IK it.
Was a B&Q. We went to B&Q and spent about
£38 on things. To do up a whole of us that was
totally in tatters. I mean, you went there, me and
you showed up in a pair of shorts and a couple of string
vests and it was like in Zoolander when he goes down the
the mine, you know, it's like you were not caught out for it.
We we had all the gear and no idea as people would say.
And we went in with like hammers.
All this all the wrong equipment.
And the main thing I remember doing is getting, you know, that
foam that expands this. Is what I.
Remember, you plug up a gap by putting a little bit of foam, it
opens out and you plug like gap. And remember being so into that
and getting really carried away. And there was a, there was a
pipe, there was like a plastic pipe.
And then it was like a circular tube and there was a square cut
out around it. And there was a few inches in
all these gaps and like you probably should have put like
something else around it. And I was like, yeah, you can
use this foam. Yeah, bit of a, I was like, this
foam's a great job if you do anything with it.
So I poured loads of it into this hole and I was like, I
think that's actually that's done a great job and that's
boarded up. Walked back in like 2 hours
later and it was like something from a mid 90s horror film where
things keep spawning. It just expanded, expanded and
then it just like it took up the whole room.
Well, not really, but it was big like.
Yeah, and the best thing is you got so like trigger happy with
the foam you were just like doing we random bits and places
like you're just like. But we did no improve.
We technically did. We made it worse.
Yeah, I built one table and it was never straight.
That's right. But it was.
I was proud of it. But yeah, that was our one bit
of day. And we did it for about 40
minutes and went home. Oh no, I think we went and got a
really nice lunch. I think we're like, we'll be
here for four hours. They're like Baron out too.
Yeah, we want to pace ourselves here.
We don't want to do too much work at once.
I think I'm resigned to never be in a real DIY guy.
Our generation on unless you're a trades person, not like back
My dad like knows how to do everything and like his
generation would but that's. Good.
For some stuff, it's not bad, but it's like my dad would be
like, oh, you don't know anything.
Well, it's like, yeah, but you grew up without Internet and
YouTube and. Like Uber Eats?
Me. Yeah.
Yeah, your generation. Until like, walk to a cafe and
that's. What it?
Yeah, well, if I had all the time, the world on board is
fucking, there was only four TV channels, I'd have probably
fucking put a few nails in the wall like.
It's such a hard roast of your dad.
But it's just like he just like he thinks I'm useless.
Well, I am, but like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But you know what I mean. Yeah, a whack A mole popped up
there. My.
We might stretch. Our generation, I don't know,
it's like there's some good about it.
I think our generation, but every generation probably thinks
this are like in the middle of our parents generation of like
work hard, do everything yourself, DIY practical and then
the young generation now of like tech talk and you know, weird
fashion. Internet code and all that sort
of stuff. Real life, I feel like we're the
normalist because we're in the middle.
We have a wee bit of. That we're a bit of a hybrid.
Well, we were the last generation that grew up without
the Internet. Yeah.
Because you, you obviously remember being a kid, not having
the Internet. And this is the like, you know
what I mean? So like, I think maybe when I
was about 1314, you start getting like dial up and stuff.
But it was like before the Internet, you never once were
like, oh, I need the Internet. But now that you have it, you're
like, I couldn't be, yeah, your phone.
You're like, oh, how can I not be on Instagram?
You know what I mean? But like back in 1995, no one
was like, oh. I remember the first time I
really got on the Internet, I was worried at some point it
would be taken away. The Internet in general I was
like this might not stick around.
You thought it was too good to to be.
Like the Mr Internet might just go pull this.
So I remember going on to the WWF at the time, WWE wrestling
website. Oh, I did that too.
The biography of every single wrestler.
I'm putting it into a ring binder just so if I ever needed
to pull up that information, I could.
If I ever needed to know how much Al Snow weighed, I could
look it up. Or if I needed to know where the
wrestler of The Godfather was originally from, I could just
thumb it out and find out. You tried to print the entire
Internet, which is such a huge thing.
Crazy with printing. Yeah, I'm sure your dad just.
Had to constantly keep buying ink.
Yeah, and then you phone me like people don't know if you're on
dial up and you phone someone. You couldn't, you couldn't be on
both at once. That was mad, wasn't it?
Like when you, when you think back, like your mom was like,
get off that. I need to phone your Aunt Tracy.
But do you think it'll go the other way where like, because
everything is so fake now, almost in a way, the fact that
everything's online, virtual reality, we're, you know, just
getting away from like real life.
Do you think it might just ever? Go the other way.
What were we just stripped back and just get back to no.
Maybe that no, you don't think that'll happen over lockdown?
And get go. People going like nature, more
people connect and more. I think there's a wee bit of
that, but I think as more children, generations get older
and stuff like that, you'll get this reliance, independence,
even more so on technology. I have an overwhelming feeling
of like powerlessness and like desperation at that, where I'm
like, like, wait. Like you can't let that happen.
Yeah, yeah. But you can't.
But like, you can't stop. But it's like a snowball that's
just going downhill constantly. Like the next stage is just
going to be virtual, virtual realities and like augmented
reality and things you're seeing, like you'll go into your
shop and stuff. All the prices will pop up out
of the holograms and say it'll be just.
Will you be wearing glasses? For it first, I mean, I don't
know what way it'll develop, but I have no idea Look.
What do you mean? You go in the shop and you see
the price? You can do that now.
Yeah, but it's not on a. It's like a virtual tag or
something like that. There you'll have advertised
like window screens. What if you go into a room
that's empty but when you put these goggles?
On that's what it'll be. You'll be able to shop like
that. You'll be able to do.
You think you would go over and like?
What try grab the T-shirt? Try an on mall do.
Would you think you just like do like a thing to it?
Well, that's the other thing. We'll we'll yeah, we'll do.
You know what? I think you just.
Think I would like will we even be talking to each other or will
we just look at each other? Do you want, I think would still
be a nice touch, a wee virtual reality trolley you have to put
a wee virtual pound into? I think that would be a nice
touch. You just don't stuff like that,
Yeah, You want to ask? I want, I don't want to let go
of. The the way it used to be, but I
knew. I think I'm having that feeling
like I don't want to let go of the past.
That's how you know you're getting older.
You think so I think it's a sign of it, yeah.
Where you're start looking back, going on remember back in blah,
blah, blah. But like, it's even when even
when you notice people, like I always notice of people when a
new app comes along. Like it's like the dad thing
where it's like tech talk comes along and a bunch of boys go, I
don't know if I can tech tax, that's for kids and all.
But then what you don't realise is the app is literally passing
you by and you're missing the opportunity to get on it and do
something. You know what I mean?
Even though it might feel like, oh, it's a bit of a young person
saying too old frat and I blah, blah, blah, it's just another
fucking thing. Like, it's like, it's like the
Internet in early days, but it's a different form of it, you
know? I think I'm close to just being
where I'm at, Yeah. And letting like, I think after
a while you have to stop fighting the the tide and the
waves and you have to just lie down on the beach and that'll
cover you. And after a while that this is
not like life. I'm talking about technology and
stuff. Yeah.
I mean, I think, you know, you try like, you know, you're on
some Instagram, you know, yeah, you're using this and yeah,
TikTok. But I think whatever comes after
TikTok. You're done.
I'll be able to do. That's what I mean.
I'll have to just lie down on the sea bed and let the water
come over me. But I think when you let the
water come over you, by the way, if this was isolated as a clip,
this could be taken so badly. I think eventually when you let
the water just come over you, you just feel like it'll feel
really calm. I think it'll feel.
Sounds like you're drowning and Butler's surfing the wave.
I'm I'm surfing the wave. He's.
Surfing, he's up there. He's a 78 year old surfer, hell
of longer. But what I'm saying is he'll
look weird eventually up on that surfboard.
I mean, you say eventually. So your mates will be down like
me in the sea bed, dead, just lying there like dead jellyfish.
And I'm surfing with a bunch of young lads.
Here. See when I was in Donegal
there's jellyfish all over and I heard someone in the bar saying
of its things. It's just like a nettle sting or
a bee sting. I thought if it stung you near
dial. No, you don't near die.
No, there's lots of. Different ones, but do you ever
stung my jellyfish? Yeah, yeah, loads of times.
Generous, just like Nettle Stinger.
Oh, you're. It sounds like you're actively
going out to just try. And yeah, he's, he's standing in
them and all. Yeah.
Just sitting on the beach with two jellyfish and out of food.
I think. I think see if I hadn't to find
that out, say I went for like a swim by myself, like when the
baby was down to bed. If I was like because the beach
was just there. Oh, for we nighttime swim.
If I was by myself and didn't hear that, that it was just like
another thing and got stung by a jellyfish, I probably would have
died of panic in the water. I would never have made it out
of the water. I'd just, I'd just have the
real, like we've said about lying on the seabed, I would
have done that in real life. But like, there's no point in me
fighting this and I would have just been washed up.
Isn't it true you just piss on it to get this thing to go away,
don't you? No, yeah.
That's the theory is that it's like alkaline and acid and it
just neutralises. It so someone pisses on your
leg. It gets this thing out of.
It BR Kelly was just. Pounding jellyfish stung your
face again. No, it didn't shut up.
It's landlocked around here bro. You're like, no, we're in
Atlanta. There's no this has a fish tank
full of jellyfish. Do you want to see it?
Get your face right up, dude. Why it's stinging on top of the
head we don't want to have. Oh, buzz there.
Any deep life questions you want to throw out or you want to you
want to explore? Because we're under the current
at the minute and it's nice. It's nice under.
What when you're when you're 65? Yep.
What do you think it is? You'll look back on and just
reminisce about or what'll be like a memory or what'll be like
a nostalgic thing. You'll just sit back and you'll
be just proud over You'll have some a feeling come over you.
I'll tell, tell you, like, I'll start it off.
I have like really fond memories of performing in the Grand Opera
House. And I think just looking back on
it at the time, I might not have like, I enjoyed it at the time,
but as I get older, I can appreciate it so much more
because the Opera House has like real history to it and like
shows. It's been around for such a such
an establishment to be able to say you did like a show went and
stuff like that. Did you?
Go there as a kid, yeah. With your school you go see a
panto or whatever. Yeah, and at the time, people
were like, to me, they were like, like, take this and
appreciate it. I don't think it did as much as
I should have because I was sort of just like having fun or
whatever. But the but yeah, looking back,
whenever you just look out into the the audience, it's like,
wow, this is this is a special feeling, You know, I.
Think I appreciate everything but probably don't spend a lot
of time comprehending the scale of it, if that makes sense.
Yeah, because you're in it. Like I get it and I'm in it, but
then sometimes feel like I don't really have time and I've got to
think of the next thing. Not at a like my mind doesn't
work too fast. Certainly doesn't.
It's not like Turbo mind where I'm like, you know, like Kanye
West, like already thinking like 10 projects ahead.
But if I do like the waterfront or whatever, I'm thinking about
what's next year. What can I learn from what's
next year show? But it's very rare.
I would take a step back and go, I can't believe I did that, like
that happened. I think the thing I would
probably look back on and be really proud and happy about is
the fact that there was a large amount of people that supported
me doing the thing I love doing the most.
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that's that.
There was people that like. Investors.
Have come to more than one show. People have come to all the
shows and you're like, it's like, like having, it's like
having fans, it's like. Yeah.
It's something that had enough of an impact.
Yeah, think you got her. Like as we get older too, you
realise how more valuable time is.
And like, so, so do then think, oh, someone has taken loads of
time out of their time to see me do what?
You know what I mean on money, like I think, but even the
money's not even the big one, like it's the time because like
someone has literally booked a babysitter, went out for a
drink, spent 4 hours of the night just dedicated to going to
see your show. That's a night they could have
did something else, they could have sat in the house, they
could have saved money or whatever.
But yeah, I think it's a good. I don't think I spend a lot of
time thinking about that in a scale way or.
But you're on the journey to still like when you think it
like they always say that it's like it is about like the
journey is the part of it that you don't really take time to
reflect on. But like when you eventually
settle down with it, you'll you'll remember the little times
like when we met at Nando's at 5:00 one day and Flippin
couldn't get a table or when we went to this venue that had like
you'll always remember those little quirky things that
happened you. Know.
Yeah, yeah. I think those will always come
flooding back whenever things eventually.
And I think that when you do take it all in, in a certain way
and if you do overthink it and think that can be the time that
you almost get a bit steel. At the thing.
Yeah, you know, if you if you, I think if you spend a lot of time
long and for like the time where it was at its best or something,
I don't know. I'm very like, I just love doing
it so much that I don't really stop too often because I, I, I
don't want the whole, I don't want to slow down or something,
if that makes sense. Yeah, I get that.
What do you think in like 10 do I I would love to just be able
to have like a flight. I would love to fly forward to
10 years time. I would not not like I don't I
don't mean like I mean just just a peak, just a peak I want.
Here's what I want to peak of. I would love to see a peak of
who's doing stand up, not from our sort of crowd or whatever,
but like who's the new guys? Who's the who's like the 12 year
old nice sitting in the house watching this podcast going in
eight years time. I want to be a gay.
Like that's the sort of jet. I want to see those guys come
through. Like there's something exciting
to me about that. I wouldn't take a glimpse in the
future at all. Would you?
Really. Never.
See, I've got too. I've got too much of it and I
would love to see that. I would love to see 100 years in
the future. I would like, I want like I'm
one of these people that like, go ahead, a. 100 years is
different, but. Suppose because.
It's not personal. Suppose, well, can't.
One could be your personal situation 10 years from now or
even the world, and you see something horrific then but
can't change it. You're going to be like, yeah,
because then you might try and change it and that's when that
thing happens. That's what causes it.
Well, here's let's say in my reality, we you get a glimpse
and then you get men in black like men to raise right away.
So you don't, you don't know what happens.
No, I still. Not you still wouldn't the the
but yeah, I would like I'm one of these people that like I
would I would love to just fucking live forever just to see
what happens. Well, I say I.
Wouldn't you definitely have that thing probably with family
where it it will all go on in a way, if you know what I mean.
Like you do have to like check out hopefully when you're very
old, but it's the fact that fun stuff will still be happening
with the people that you kind of know.
Yeah. If you know what I mean, like
your job. Well, not not your job.
That's totally wrong. In my situation.
Now I'm just teeing it up for the next generation.
Yes, I'm getting it all in place, making sure that it
carries on in the best possible way.
But then it will be difficult to.
And then I'm all about like, you know, circle of life, like I
love all that kind of stuff. That's why with like deaths in
the family and stuff as difficult and terrible as they
are, then you know there's a baby born six months later or
something, you go, right, That's kind of the universe in a way.
That's that's that is when it all boils down to it.
Like, yeah. But what I mean is I I don't.
I wouldn't want to be around forever at all.
But I think but then our attitudes even change a bit
where you're like, you know, you let things go a bit more, you
start getting worried about time.
But then probably when you're very old as well, you'd be less
afraid of like passing on and all that sort of stuff.
And you go. I've had the time.
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure there is like like even when I
talk to like my granny and stuff like that, she has like this
like it's almost like an ambience about her where it's
just like like I've lived, like I'm just, I'm just here now
enjoying the final, final chapter and it's all good.
Well, I have a. Thing of like if I'm on a plane
and there's tour this maybe a mad thing or maybe people go or
a load of people do that. If I'm on a plane and there's
real bad turbulence, my first very calm thought is, well, if
this is it and I can control this, it's been, it's been class
only if it was like a disaster or something I couldn't control
if you know, like I would hate it, but I think I'd be able to.
You won't know till you're in the situation.
But I think what I mean is I'd be like, you know what it's
been, It's been great. That's I was in a plane once and
all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Drop that in there. Just want to say that shout out
to British Airways. Yeah, I and a situation having
turbulence like, but it was turbulence to an extent where
like everyone on the plane felt the plane do a drop and the
noise I heard whenever it dropped from people's people's
reaction would I can still do that.
I can still feel it. I can feel it right now.
I like it was like literally it was like women going like this,
this gasp and like everyone did it.
It wasn't just like one person. It was like the whole plane and
I was like, and it freaked me out and stuff too.
But then like so that like whenever you're saying about
like, oh, I think I would feel like, well, this is it, blah,
blah. I think I would be the tool.
I think I would fucking just freak this shit out.
Yeah, it's it's hard to tell. It's easier to say that and I'm
like, you know, maybe if there are a wee bit more terms, I
would burst in tears and scream. But what I mean is there was
just a moment where I was like. Well, you had a moment.
Yeah. Where I was like, I want to live
till I'm very old, you know, bet like a very old.
Happy man. We'll be doing this at 100.
Oh. Easy, I'll be 100 talking about
the Manscape lawnmower 28.0. Yeah, the one that gets out of
your big droopy balls I. Mean the the battery life on
these are really long and it's wireless charging, but I'll
still need 6 charges to get the ball, sort of.
You'll be, it'll be, you'll be on your 5th circumcision.
It'll be like that time of year again.
I would. Love to be an org.
I think a podcast is a great, you know, performers and
comedians especially get these certain aides.
They go going to retire from stand up on stage stuff because,
you know, I feel like it shouldn't be done.
Podcast is probably the medium where I go.
You should still be doing that though.
Yeah, try think. Is there any like, old, old or
Larry King like in terms of like he was old when he was doing
this whole interview radio thing?
Letterman, I'm sure could do it, would do a brilliant podcast.
Well, he still does the Netflix show.
So what I mean is he could do a podcast.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think it's a. Great outlet people podcast.
I just the glamorised. On Netflix is 10 out of 10.
I've been meaning to watch it. I've been meaning to watch it
for a long time. And Tommy Tiernans RT show or
two of the best sit down chat shows.
Yeah, they're very good. That I like.
I think I have to wrap it there because I need to pee so bad.
OK, I need to pee so bad. We've got a couple of whack
moles come up. I think we'll take care of
those. But but this, this was, this was
awful. This was the most enjoyable
podcast I've ever done. Good fun, Good fun, light
entertainment. Especially because what we were
going to do is look at like tech talk and YouTube videos and
analyse them. We were literally going to do
the opposite of this. But we will do that next week.
We will do that, yeah. We're like, man, what is after
death? I'm like, hold on, I'm just
going to show you this video of a guy saying you fucking love
your McDonald's. Yeah, play this and the next
week's podcast beside each other and just let us know the two
different persons. Let's.
Balance this out next week with with weirdness, just filth.
Yeah, OK All right, brother. Hey your.
Pleasure. Thanks.
This was a triangle of feelings here and let's just stay in it
for a little bit longer after the podcast ends.
Actually, I need to share my pubes as to that patreon.com/T
with me podcast that made it sound like I'm going to trim my
pubes live on patreon.com/T with me podcast.
I'm not. Yes, unless we can maybe get to
your thoughts, in which case I might, but you'll just be able
to see my face. You'll not be able to see
anything. It's weirder.
Yeah, because then the NHS, we subscribe people trying to get
circumcision.