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of the Tea With Me podcast. With me, your big mate Shane
Todd. What an episode it's going to
be. It's a guest episode.
Very excited about this one. Asked this guy to do an episode
a few months ago. He was on tour at the time.
But because of Covad, nobody is doing tours, including myself.
Make no ones making any money and that's fine.
I'm wearing a cardigan and then, you know, probably shouldn't be
because I was wearing it to do a video and I'm too warm in it.
But then, you know, made the decision to just go with it.
Although whenever I do the mid podcast at sponsor rate, I
probably won't have it on. In fact, my face is burning up
right now and that could be because I'm wearing a cardigan
or that could be covered. I don't know.
I hope it's just because the cardigan, but zippers welcome
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That's what it's all about. I wore a face mask to the shop
for the first time this week a couple of days ago.
And then I was like, I'm just going to do this from now.
And then literally the next day I was going to the shop and
forgot to bring it. So what an asshole I am, but I
put a picture of myself up in the mask and then just this guy
who I know and he he he's the guy that runs taquitos, the Taco
place, which is phenomenal in Belfast.
And just like a cracking guy I've always had real good fun
with. And it's like been there a
couple times. You know how good chat with him.
And then I just put up this picture, whatever, saying I just
wore a face mask to the shop and he's like, you're a client.
I was like, why are people getting so annoyed that the
money toads wearing a face mask to the shops?
I can understand in a way, although I don't know if I can,
people being like, I don't want to be told to wear a mask, but I
don't even do anything. I was just wearing a mask.
I was just wearing a mask because listen, here's the
thing. I'm from north down.
I've been wearing a face mask in public since 2004.
So I think that guy got the wrong end of the stick.
And don't call Slide to call me a clown just because he's
wearing a mask. I don't know.
I just thought that's what you're supposed to do.
And all these guys, you're like, now you're being muzzled by the
government. Hey, I don't give a fuck.
I need muzzle because I'm a biting bitch.
This bitch bites, so you better watch out.
That's not me threatening to bite the guy that owns taquitos
in Belfast. I just want to let you know the
only thing I want to bite into is your tacos, and that's not
code for anything. I think this cardigan is making
me too warm and it's making me question a lot of stuff.
A lot of stuff. This episode of the pod is with
Tim McGarry. Tim McGarry is known from Give
my Headpiece, The Blame Game, Perforated Ulster, countless
great documentaries about Ulster Scots which I have I think seen
all of and and really enjoyed. Tim is also a stand up as well.
He's a stand up comedian who I've seen many times.
We talk about the fact he did Bug Uglies Dead Elliot's Club a
couple of months before lockdown and just absolutely demolished
the place. Tim is also just a very, very
nice guy. Like when I first got into stand
up, when you met someone like that who was like a big TV name
you, it was, you know, I would get like not nervous around
them, but you didn't know whether like jump in in
conversation, wherever. Tim's one of those guys.
You just always made you feel very welcome and, you know, out
of gig and, and there's, there's I'm sure instances where people
don't do that. So I've always really liked him.
We talk about loads of different things and I asked him about how
comedy has changed here and the reaction the blame games had or
sorry, get my headpieces hard throughout the year.
So I had a great time talking to him.
Tim is a lovely guy and there's a reason why he's still so
prolific on TV and radio and that is because he's very good
at what he does and he's a very nice guy.
So I hope the zippers enjoy this episode.
I think this might be the second last episode before we're back
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And you don't have to look at my shitty video uploads and we can
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recorded this producer Dan straight away.
When will you have this sent? And I send a picture of me
recording this and he's doing the laughing emoji, cry crying,
laughing emoji. But I think the crying laughing
emoji is code for tears because he's going to make me cry
whenever he tells me that I'm not allowed outside for a month.
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with Tim McGarry. I had a lot of fun doing it.
Tim, I've I've, I've said too many Times Now.
It's a great guy. He really is.
Enjoy it. This is Tea with Me episode with
Tim McGarry. Tim, my first question for every
guest on the podcast is do you drink tea?
And if So, what is the level of your tea drinking?
I used to drink a lot of coffee, but I'm drinking actual tea as
we speak. Nice from my my favourite, my
son got me a really, really good present, which is the the
Cliftonville mug. That is Jordy McMullen
celebrating scoring the winning goal against Linfield in 2013.
Thirteen April 2013 is just if you're interested.
That's an effect. So I do.
I drink quite a lot of tea. I drink tea and work and when
we're in the office down in David Hall's office, I drink a
lot of tea and drink a lot of tea at home because I have to.
How many cups, Tim, would you say you're on a day and is this
the peak for you tea wise or have you scaled it back?
Well, I've had this idea for a great podcast called Tea with
Tim. You know, because it rains.
Yeah, but you know, I literally. Hear from my lawyers, Tim.
Becker came and stole the idea. But yeah, I like, I like a good
cup of tea. Are you a tea bag, man?
Are you? Are you leaves and all of that?
Are you? Oh definitely not leaves.
I mean, I think I bought them once and then realised I was
just totally out of the depth. I I, I got it wrong.
I bought like a pot for them. But I've just I've gone back to
the bags. I think them, I don't mean to be
rude, but I think you always go back to the bag.
Yeah, You know, you always come crawl back, you know, you know
what you're getting with the bag, so.
It's like all that Mikey Philtre coffee as well, you know, and
all that. No, just, you know, boom, bang
and then whack cup of coffee. There it is.
Yeah. That's it.
We were just chatting briefly before this about the fact that
you've still been sort of working through this and you've
both done sort of radio, TV type stuff during lockdown.
But what's, what's lockdown been like for you?
Are are you used to taking this kind of length of a break?
I imagine you seem like a guy who just never stops, you're
always doing something. So has it been tricky to sort of
set in? Yeah, it has been tricky.
We we lost a hell of a lot. We were on tour with Give Me A
Piece and had done 19 shows. It would.
I think we lost 9 or 10 shows that were sold out and literally
overnight it disappeared. Then a series of the Blame Game
was supposed to start in April and it disappeared.
And then there's loads of gigs that just disappeared overnight,
you know, after dinners and corporates and stuff.
So when you go after your freelancer, you're sitting there
twiddling your thumbs and you're always worried if you're a
freelancer, you go where's the, where's the next gig?
When is it when you're just completely empty?
On the other hand, I'm quite relaxed and I enjoy sitting out
my back garden reading the paper and doing crosswords and taking
life very easy and not doing an awful lot like reading books and
sit and listening to music and watching crap TV, you know.
So it's been quite enjoyable as well.
But we were able to keep our hand in with some of the, the,
the radio. So we're perfectly Ulster, which
we normally do September, October in front of an audience.
They brought it forward and we're in week five I think out
of six and it's been brilliant, been really good for me.
It you say about the blame game, like I would imagine or what I
would I think would be good is like just even seeing you guys
like on Zoom do do the show, just just chatting about maybe
like the last year in politics or something like that.
But it like I had the totally cancel that my tour was supposed
to be September, so I had to cancel it.
But I think that's better than I imagine.
It must be a nightmare as a performer to be halfway through
a tour or. Yeah, or just during it when?
You've got the momentum going and.
Well, that's it. We showed 19.
I actually got my word lines right for the first time, you
know, and we were all having great fun and enjoying
ourselves. And we actually did a night in
arm and there's supposed to be 400 people turned over, which
sold 400 tickets and then 200 people turned up because the
COVID kind of panic had set in. Yeah.
Then the next night, like I just went, no, we can't keep doing
this. So all the shoes we're stuck.
But with blame game and doing it off Zoom.
I don't know. Some of it works in some I've
used. Did you watch my get news for
you? I didn't know if, I don't think
that worked awful lot. You know, I think it does lack
an audience. Otherwise you're just four
people laughing at their own jokes, which kind of can be a
bit sad looking. I mean, we do need an audience.
We need an audience reaction. With Perforated, it's different
because we're doing scripts. We actually started off way, way
back in the midst of time when, when you were -3 or whatever.
We, we did it, we did it in studio without, without an
audience. But recently we did it with a,
with a notice. But it's a different animal.
But it's really, we're really pleased with it, I have to say.
But if you have you ever like taking a break?
Because to me as a 32 year old guy, I feel like you have been
on my TV, on my radio since I can remember and I don't ever
remember. I just feel like you've always
been doing something always when get you doing Get My Hairpiece,
that's obviously how myself and so many people kind of got to
know you. Then when Get My Hairpiece kind
of went away for a while, it was, it felt to me like straight
into the blame game. See you at the Empire doing
stand up and you must be like constantly, constantly doing
stuff, which is great, but how's a break affected you?
What happened? Pretty good, Yeah, I've been
pretty constant. We've kind of really haven't
been out of work since about what we had it with.
There was a there was a woman in the BBC didn't like us very much
a few a lot of years ago and scrapped everything, which I
don't want to go into because I'll get annoyed and we don't
want that. We're all drinking.
Tea. No, we do want that.
Then we want ratings. We want ratings.
But even when we would been scrapped, we were doing gigs, we
were doing drama, we wrote some dramas and stuff as well.
But yeah, you're right. I mean, my wife keeps
complaining we haven't had a decent three-week holiday.
And you last time was with 12 years ago we went on a
three-week holiday. And every summer she goes, well,
what's the correct this summer I go, well, I'll probably be free
and then there's something comes up and something comes up.
So it's hard to plan, but I mean, it's it's nice with I'd
like the variety of the stuff I do.
I'm a very lucky, you know, with the sitcom and give me headpiece
with blame game with perforated also.
And then I do as you say, bits of stand up and after dinner
speaking as well. And then do we bits and pieces
like a radio show we do about Irish history with an orange man
called David Hume called the Long and the short of it, which
is the best joke in radio. But nobody gets it.
Can't see him. And he is he's Robin Swans twin
brother. Basically he's a bit the same
right as Robin and as he him come up with the idea of the
title, you know, the long and the short of it.
I'm 6 foot four and he's not. I got my I got my haircut for
the first time today since locked down and I think up until
just the second before I got a cut.
Me and Robin Swan, we're having a competition to see who has the
worst lockdown hair. I mean, it was close between us,
but he just someone needs to have a word.
I don't know if he dies it. I don't know if it's a rug, but
someone needs to speak to him. I mean it get he has a lot on
his plate, but he needs to sort that out.
Like honestly, I don't think anyone would would mind if he
just took a day off. Just get it for him and.
And just have a rest. There's a guy Steer.
What do you call him McBride from the what do you call him?
Sam McBride, McBride from the journey from the newsletter and
I haven't seen Sam for weeks and he was on the news the other
night. He looked like he looked like he
was on The Dirty protest in the H blocks in the 1970.
He's got this beard down to her and his beard down to her is
absolutely mad. So yeah, there's some people
have taken it very seriously, but I I don't have enough heard
of. I remember, you know, Speaking
of, you know, you always haven't been busy and get my hairpiece
and doing stand up. I remember the first time I saw
you do stand up at the Empire. It was when I first started
doing stand up or I don't even know if I was performing just
yet, but I remember you were, you were doing a guest spot.
You, you maybe filled in. You did a guest spot.
And I remember being like, I didn't know you did stand up.
So it was like, it was like that.
I forget my headpieces. The fact that you did stand up
and I remember just being very excited that I was seeing you,
seeing you doing you. You do stand up.
What do you what do you prefer? Have you ever had a preference
or has it changed over the years?
I. Didn't tell you actually heard
what it was saying. I came out at the other the the
the reverse way. So I came at it from writing and
performing and acting and give me a headpiece.
And then the only thing I started, the only reason I just
started doing stand up was because David Holt promotions
kept getting a sort of quasi corporate gigs to come and open.
You know, Dan Uncle Andy, the open supermarket somewhere.
Because we were huge at one stage.
We can all we we did a long call it back.
To tell me. We are.
We opened the whole bars and then they used to the cut a
ribbon, then that hand your microphone and go give us some
of your crack there. Your some of your do your sketch
from the show. So eventually I had to develop
sort of at least sort of 1015 minutes of stuff that did myself
and then it kind of developed from that.
And David Hull, again, one of those great promoters who just
he booked me, genuinely booked me into the Belfast Festival for
an hour and a half show that he said, I've got you a good slot
on the Belfast Festival. I said, what am I doing is I
don't know, you've got, you've got to make up your mind.
So we did this one man show about Irish history called Tim
Mcgarry's Irish History Lesson. And it's the first time I've
done a proper full length show of about an hour.
Well, I did an hour 20 or something like that.
And it was really, really, really delighted with it, you
know, because it's one of those things I, you stand up's great
when you've got a big audience and you, you tell a couple of
jokes that, you know, we're kind of warmer uppers.
And you know, they quite like that with a deal with their
reaction to the one that's coming 5 minutes from there
they're going. But you know, there really is no
better feeling, I have to say that.
When you did Pug Uglies with the Dave Elliott runs, I think I was
down to watch or do another gig that night.
And you know, you did a headline set and it was for not like it
was so good. And that must be that must be
nice to to yeah, have different strings to your bows and and you
know, the pugs is a very, very young crowd.
It's a it's a student crowd and them and God, I just remember
you, you you were doing a top a little bit about Liam Neeson at
the time and I was like this. The people need to like say,
like, I think pugs is the one of the best rooms and it would look
really good to film something in.
But then I just remember being like, that is some great stand
up there. By the way, good idea of yours
to get rid of Dave Elliot. You know, it wasn't working, was
it? I mean, he's is he all right
with the as he because I mean, it seems like a lovely fella.
And then you go, Jesus, that's an awful lot of drugs for one
fella. Yeah, he's had his problems, you
know. We're all, we're all trying to
intervene, but you know, it's. He has his demons.
He has his. Demons, you know, but that's but
he runs a very nice week club there really.
It's a really nice week spot. As you say, it's nice and small.
The crowd are very close to you. The steer the low ceiling helps
and it's just a really nice week.
But there's there's lots of them.
I mean I'm or the umpire, of course is the oldest and the
best and all that, but they Lavery's have done Colin
Guinness his gig. Oh yeah.
And it's lovely to have a couple of really nice gigs in there,
but I don't, I don't have the same sort of turnover as some of
the other guys would have, you know, on the playing games likes
of Delamere and some Murph and stuff and go out and, you know,
literally make up stuff on the hoof.
And I need to sit down and write it and, you know, plan it and
think about it and try it out and stuff.
I'm not a natural stand up, but I'm, you know, the bits that I
can't do. I really enjoy doing it.
I really, really, really enjoy it.
But I do it a bit in the middle of our stage.
You'll give me a piece. I do about 20 minutes, half an
hour of stand up just so the rest of them come back and put
their feet up and have a Peach in a glass of wing and it's
well, you know, when, when it works well, there's nothing
better, nothing better. Yeah.
I mean just that the, the, the I've, I've, I mean, I haven't
really done much play type stuff at all or, or stage stuff that
isn't stand up. But whenever you're sort of
sharing the stage with a lot of people and something gets a
laugh, it's nice, it's great. But when you're doing stand up
and it's just, it's just you. It's just you that's got that
laugh by yourself with. All the glory is yours.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a It was one of the
nicest comedians ever. And Gory, who passed away
recently. Sean.
Sean Crummy. Sean Crummy used to be an
impressionist and he does, you know, stuff.
And it was one of the, you know, the comedians.
Comedians, all bastards. OK, we're all ego tests.
We're all going to, you know, some comedians step backstage
and if Shane toads or and he dies on his whole, we all go
great endlessness. Sean Crummy used to stand out
the spine of the stage and go fantastic.
You were brilliant and the best. I genuinely wanted everybody to
be funny. And that's kind of the attitude
I've now developed. Go.
Yeah, just, you know, we're we're all we're all jealous of
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We all have, you know, things that we'd like to do and things
that we would think we're better than people.
But you know, I always, my view of it all people get snobby
about comedy and I say no, no, no.
If anybody can stand up in any room and make people laugh who
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Back to the podcast with my man Tim McGarry.
I I would love to see a stand up show.
I mean, since I mean I've been standing for like 13 years now,
I think, and then I've never seen from here.
I don't think like a stand up TV series.
I mean, I would I I know they there has been in the past, like
people have told me about it or there was this show in the 90s
that was from the Empire and there was this kind of thing.
I think now I don't know what your opinion on this is, but I
think the stand up scene, now I might be biassed, but I think
it's like it's so, so good. The stand up scene here now the
even the, you know, the likes of Laveries, the likes of Pug
Uglies and stuff like that. I think pound for pound, it's in
the 13 years I've been doing it, it's the best that it's ever
been. So I would love to see live TV,
not live, but as live stand up show and and have just a real
mix of people on there. I don't know why that's not
happened. Well, I'm, I'm lucky that I'm
old enough now to do to, you know, not to worry about having
to struggle and do gigs every weekend.
But you're right that the scene here has got a lot bigger and a
lot better. And there's a lot of acts I
haven't seen or I've only seen once, but all the likes of Patty
Mcgahee working up in Ballymena there in the bridge.
I mean, Patty does great week gigs and I always him because,
as you know, he's the nicest man in show business.
Like Robbie has dead cats in the basement.
You know, he's a lovely guy. So I do the braid for him to
come and there's people, you know, that I that he's brought
on and he's a guy who's just doing it for nothing as well.
And there's a really nice just, you know, just want to get out
there and try, try to be funny, which is great.
How's the how's the scene changed?
Not just stand up, but like if you want to call it the comedy
scene here in terms of TV as well.
What what year did? What year did you start?
Like when when when when did you get into everything?
Well we were, we were full time lawyers.
I became a full time comedian in 1996.
Well, but before that we were doing stuff in Edinburgh
Festival in the late 80s, early 90s where big break was
Talkback. We did a live 5 minutes up a
good slot on Talkback from 1990 Odd and then got a radio break
up in the days when lots of people listen to radio.
And we did a couple of live shows from the group theatre and
it took off from there. And from this, from being on the
radio. What happened was we'd normally
had 30 or 40 people come to see our shows and then being on
Talkback, which has a listenership of a couple
100,000, suddenly the theatre was falling when this is quite
different. So we've been sort of full time
at it, well from from 1996, but it was completely down with
certainly the lady in these early 90s.
There was very little, there was the big boom across the border
and we were kind of got the, the, the very, very tail end of
it. And it was Jackie Hamilton
again, starting up the Empire with Paddy and you, then Murph
and Jacob Kane coming on the scene as well that started.
But again, up until recently, there weren't very many
comedians. You know, there really weren't
up until the last 10 years. You know, yourself and Colin get
us and various people. And Mickey Bartlett you have a
lot of time for as well. You know that they were kind of
the second wave, but now it's just got bigger and bigger and
it's great to see. Yeah.
Have you noticed that? Like do you feel it's it's sort
of gone up and down in terms of quality, the stand up scene or
do you think it's gradually even getting better or when when for
you was the best time? Well, obviously the, the, the
subject matter has changed since the end of the troubles and all
that sort of stuff. But the, there is, I think there
is, there is a standard. I think the second way of like,
as I say yourself and Mickey Barton and various other people,
they come on the scene. I think the new ones, they have
a have a have a different standard.
I think also culturally things have changed dramatically.
I mean, you, you would you and various other people would be
massive fans of the American comedians that we wouldn't.
Oh yeah, really. Have, you know, known about at
our time, I mean, I was a great fan of Woody Allen's club years.
Listen to Woody Allen's early, early, sexy, great stuff.
But I mean, our, our touchstones, you know, we were
things like Monty Python early on.
And then in the late 80s, early 90s, you're talking about the
likes of, you know, the people from the Comedy Store and stuff
like that. And so we didn't really get into
the amount we were kind of, well, there's always a bit of
cultural cringe here in Northern Ireland.
We're we're kind of, we're too destined from London in those
days, you know, we were thinking, Oh yes, we'd like to
be like those comedians over in England who have the likes of
Eddie Izzard and people like that.
That's our our goal. But I think now there's so much
stuff online. There's so much stuff that's
accessible. Do you that wasn't accessible
when, you know, when I was a youngster that I think it has
improved everybody because you can see that the standard has to
be very, very high. What was the start of Give my
Headpiece because get my headpiece is one of the fun
things I look back on whenever I kind of first would have been
like watching TV whenever I remember sort of watching a
series. So I was born in 88.
I don't know what age I would have been would get my be
started, but it was my Friday night ritual at my granny and
granda's house in a place called White City in Hollywood, which
is a which is kind of the only council of state in Hollywood.
I mean, still plush them, you know, still like 99 bedrooms,
but but I just. Just on with golf clubs, yeah.
Yeah, I just remember Friday night sitting with them watching
the Kelly Show and and get my headpiece.
And I remember just being so excited that the they you you
talk like us. You know, that that that this
was a show that was about the place that I was from.
And I remember being very young and just just cracking up.
And and it could even be something as simple as like a
vote, like the first time I heard and Patty do Pastor
Begby's voice. I was gone for days.
And and there was always that
thing. If you know, you would chat to
your mates in the playground about it, even though you're
very young, you know, did you see it?
What about this bit and not bit actually had the video out of
video would give my head piece, which I remember watching a lot
and yeah. How did how did it all start?
Because I think it's something that them it's such a big
cultural thing here and there is so much love for it.
And especially I think when it, when it came back, I think I, I
appreciated more the fact that it, it had such a place and, and
still does on, on our screens here.
Because like, to be totally honest, I fell into a thing of
being like a frustrated kind of young comedian.
I was like, why are me and my friend?
This was maybe 8-9 years ago. I was thinking, why are me and
my friends not on TV? Now, with hindsight, there was
no way we were ready to do anything on television.
But, but now you kind of go, you know, this is this, people
absolutely love it. And there's there is an
nostalgia thing, but then there's also like a a topical
aspect to it as well. I'm rambling but what I'm saying
is. Yeah.
Dave, Dave, give me some gear. So how did you?
Sleep mate, you have not any. Sleep.
So at the same time. How did how did you get my
hairpiece? Start.
Thank you for your very nice question.
I fucking forgot what was now. It started a way, way back when
we did live shows and it started as a one off sketch literally
about the bad Northern Ireland TV plays and dramas that were
about the troubles with people with English accents doing bad
versions. And it was a sketch that's.
Interesting. Too late to talk to Billy and
Patty about love across the barricades in the terror
triangle. And it took the piss out of all
those pathetic tropes, you know, about love across the barricade.
And we, we made it to men, of course and stuff.
And then everybody was happy and then there was a bomb and they
all, why can't it all be like Carrie, Mila?
And this, this was our kind of finale sketch at the end of our,
you know, half hour, 40 minute routine.
And it always brought the house thing brilliant.
And we when we started the radio, we got a radio series and
we thought there's something in that.
We can maybe make that into a one off soap.
So we made 1/2 hour version of that sort of play and just took
the piss out of all the, all the English accents and stuff like
that. And then that radio series won a
Sony Award for best radio comedy and then developed from there
and eventually Law. And again, you talk about, you
know, doing it, you know, seven or eight years ago, where am I?
Not on TV. It took us about 10-12 years to
get on the telly from where we'd started.
But but 1995, we did 2 ceasefires in a wedding and we
thought it was a one off. We were going to do this as a
one off. I remember that.
We've taken the taking the piss out of all the thing and it was
Martin Lynch, the playwright came to one of our one of my
writing colleagues, Michael McDonald says you've got a soap
opera there. You've got a soap opera.
You've got the characters. You know, it's you know, it's
very stereotypical and there's the broadside and the Catholic,
but you've got a soap opera. You've got the basis of the of
all six or seven core characters.
And it kind of went off from there.
And I mean, you're very kind of thank you very much for saying.
I mean, it was definitely what the thing about the success was.
It was definitely full pitch of the Northern Ireland audience
for Northern Ireland and we didn't give a shit about anybody
down or anybody in England or anybody.
We just went, we know who our audience is.
It's for Northern Ireland now. It was hugely successful in
Northern Ireland but nobody outside Northern Ireland, no one
gets it or understands it. You know, if it had been in
England, I would have been a fucking multi millionaire.
I wouldn't have to buckle ecstasy into board on a free
podcast. I mean, you'd be speaking to my
agent, my friend, because at one stage we were getting 4050%
audience here. I mean it's ridiculous, you
know, which is basically half the people watching TV at any
particular time. We're watching that programme,
which is great, but it was kind of a happy accident and the
mixture of, you know, I'm in a writing team of three people,
Damon, Michael and myself, and we knock stuff about and we
because we work in a real world as a threesome.
There's kind of there's we're prolific, which we can be very
quick, but we also have instant editing.
So if I come up with a joke and I think this is a great joke and
the other two go, no, it's crap. It's not in and just kind of
it's done and dusted and I don't go off down a, you know, a
rabbit hole, go my joke and my ideas.
You got instant editing and you know, if somebody comes out the
line that makes the three, it was all laugh, you go right,
that's in no matter what. So we are fairly quick.
So we can write, for instance, A perforated lobster, we'll write
it, you know, 1/2 hour in about two or three days.
All right. OK, I mean that.
Good stuff, but give me a headpiece episode we could
write, you know, and basically about a week or so, or a week or
two weeks at most. That that's very, very
interesting makes you know, that's so funny to me that
almost you're saying like, get my headpiece started as a parody
of what was already out there, what was already happening.
Like that's, that's great. And I mean just the just some I
I just remember being in my granny grandma's house and just
his all of us hysterically laughing and and enjoying it.
And then this may be just my perception of this, but when you
did the schedule dry your eyes very well known at the time,
popular at the time, but it feels like because of a lot of
social media clips that have really gone viral with it.
There's almost like being like a delayed second wave of it where
people, people are kind of re sharing it and going like, you
know, what was it like? Like I see young people sharing
it who who when it was on wouldn't have been watching TV.
Well, there's just we were really proud to give a dry rise
again, go back to earlier conversation about the person
who didn't like us and scrapped everything.
Didn't like me either by the way.
Yeah. There was supposed to be a third
series of that and it got decommissioned, shall we say.
But we were. I mean, the remit for that was
very simple. It was kind of, you know, you've
done your trouble stuff, you know, have characters from here
and very set here, but it's not about no politics or anything.
You know, there's Derek the Linfield fan.
That's Eddie's a Linfield fan. He's a basic slobber who who's
countries, countries is, is a by fuck, you know, in the matter
where he is, you know, you know, we yeah, there's a couple of
clips that were really with the the one where he the the Islamic
Jihad tried to take over the plane and stuff and the bank
robbery, you know, and nothing get in the way of his holiday in
Santa Paul's it. I think my my personal favourite
was the the sketch the Marty McCanns and Marty's Good Friend
and the Holy Land. The Holy Land Sketch.
Oh, yes, yes. Just just so good, so good.
Is dry rice something you would you would you would ever bring
back? Well, we would, we would
possibly bring it back. Yeah, because we would
definitely like to. I mean, there were some legs in
it. I mean, we, our other favourite
characters were the Mcdowell's, you know, the, the motorbike,
you know, the mad motorcyclists. Yeah, definitely somewhat on the
McDowell, but on the, on the Dunlops.
But I mean, it's, it's lasted as well.
I mean, that word just exists. And we had great fun, you know,
just taking that. Absolutely.
Anyway, great fun. The two two mad McDowell
brothers, you know. Yeah, I mean, my dad was a was a
road racer for decades and and those characters always, always
made us laugh, you know, because, yeah, you know, you
know, boys like that who are beyond obsessed with their bikes
and and yeah, I thought dry, dry your eyes was great.
And Pop goes Northern Ireland 2 is I don't think I missed an
episode. We're very, I mean, it's a
different animal altogether, but we're genuinely very, very proud
of it because it started off as a kind of five part series and
we did five of them and then people went, that's actually
quite good. And you know, if you don't want
to know your history of Northern Ireland, pick a year.
And there it is in half an hour on and away.
We made a very wise decision at the start.
So this is all archive. There's nobody from today
talking about what they did in the past or just defend
themselves or coming back and say I would have did that
because or I said that because you know, that's what you said
in 1975 and that's what you did in 1982 and all that.
And you know that the stuff just speaks for itself and the music,
you know, we've we've no comment.
We've no more with just the music of the time and we're
really delighted with that. And you know, don't want to get
too pointed about it, but we've done a lot of work with the
victims group. We have who I've worked with
because we had to contact a lot of people and say listen, you
know, no harm, but you know, we're making a programme.
If you're watching TV on a Sunday night, you might find
yourself walking behind your dad's coughing or something.
A lot of sensitivity involved and a lot of going to Victoria.
And we ended up, we did a lot of contact with Wave, the victims
group and the great people there, Alan McBride and us, lots
of people who have worked with, they're just Absolutely Fabulous
and have been really supportive. And in fact, you know, we
thought we'd get an awful lot more crap because you know what
Northern Ireland, like people have around no matter what, but
virtually nothing. You know, we've only had the,
you know, the only thing we had to change and the entire thing
we had, we did the 1969 year 19 is the start of the Troubles,
you know, very controversial. And the only thing we had to
change a year later was the end of 1969, we had Rolf Harris
singing 2 Little Boys and then and then the BBC said that we'll
have to edit that off has to go not.
Too too many, too many, the red. That's all thing.
But Ross. Has to go.
Take your didgeridoo and jog on. What did you ever have?
Speaking like controversy and stuff and reaction to things.
Whenever whenever. Give my head piece was was kind
of was first on or or was like, like you say, getting that big
audience share. What was the sort of day-to-day
reaction you were getting on the street?
Because I have seen multiple times.
And then I'd say the gig that you're at or whatever and just
people in unison just shouldn't die.
Just just it's like an involuntary thing.
I don't think anyone knows you're doing it, but just people
wanting a thumbs up or whatever. Like people know you as almost
like the, the, yeah, like the nations die in, in a way, as
well as the other stuff you've done.
So what? What was the?
What was the reaction when when that was kind of happening?
And 1st going on pretty part now they have to say, I mean, I'm
not, I'm not this isn't North Korea.
There's a lot of people hate that show with a passion and
they understand. I can understand.
They go, listen, this is cliche and they're cartoon characters
and you know, our acting is, you know, could be a well start to
the start was a bit rookier that it could have should have been.
And there are people who hate it and I go absolutely fine.
I don't know. But you know, like that word
like if you don't like, it's not for you.
Absolutely be fine. But the reaction early on, it
took a couple of series actually it was started well, but the
third series it just went, you know, from through the roof.
And I think people start to realise where we were coming
from, realising where we're weren't coming from one side,
realising we haven't got an agenda and realising you were
just here to entertain you and tell you jokes and make you
laugh at a friend. And, you know, if it wasn't for
you, fine, it wasn't for you. Don't worry about it.
But the reaction was very there was a bit of political.
There were a few people saying, oh, you can't make fun of the
Troubles and this is too serious, you know, and you go,
well, you'll catch a grip. You know there's mash that a
series set in the fucking Korean War.
You know, when we were only the Northern Ireland Troubles.
Plus it was I mean everybody, the piss was taken out of
everyone of every side equally. There was no, there was no angle
to it. It was just every everything's
up for everything's up for a laugh here.
I mean, I mean those are the old days, but every when the people
in London were started to get interested in and go, you know,
how many Catholics and Protestants are in the group and
all that you go, we get off and leave us alone.
But you know, but there was a semblance of fairness.
There wasn't we didn't go right. We've done 3 jokes and Uncle
Andy said we'll have to even add up and do that being the other
side. But the reaction was been really
good. But I, you did a thing, I think
one of your podcaster. I think that's what the modern
world is. I think slightly less, it's less
comfortable than it was even in our time during the Troubles
because there's so much crap online.
I think you do the thing about the Belfast Telegraph where you,
you know, there's an article about, you know, pot plants and
44 messages down. It's by the way, what about
Bloody Sunday? And you didn't get there to go
back. You go, sorry, we're talking
about pot plants, tweets and go, what the hell happened here?
And there's a lot of that online and you know, which is really
quite depressing, which is why, you know, you know, it's part of
me goes, we've been doing get my head piece and taking piss out
of sectarianism for a long time. I do a lot of work for the
integrated education firm and the and the idea is basically,
would you put me out of work? I don't want to let's not tell
any more jokes about frauds and take let's all live together.
Let's all go to school together and we don't have to have these
bloody stupid differences. Yes, yeah.
I mean the integrated education funds, great.
Like I did the gig in London, I went to see you guys do it, do
the gig this year and. On the Ulster Hall, yeah.
In the Ulster Hall, which was, which was brilliant, by the way.
I mean, you know, I, I, I was so used to just doing like the
student gigs to doing my own shows that I realised it was
that it had been so long since I'd just gone to a comedy night.
They just said and enjoy it went down with my wife and God, I
mean, I'm I'm so used to like to not see and you guys do stand up
too often, you know, because sometimes you go to your comedy
club, you just drop into your set and then you leave.
But I was able to really just sit back and enjoy it and it was
just 10 out of 10. It was great.
Really, really good night. Also Barnes.
Good night. I think that's the night you,
your your child was conceived. It must have been.
You think so? Work that out, I think.
Yeah, you've seen Tim McGarry and you go and I need them.
I'm pretty sure the dates work out there by right there.
I mean, that was, that was such a great night.
But the highlight of the night, I'm starting to say for me, was
Baroness Mayblood. Oh yeah.
She got up on stage. I was like, oh, no, like, does
she need help getting up on stage?
I thought she was like, you know, some sort of timid older
lady who was just going to say thank you to everyone.
She started, like, doing a set and she was bringing the house
down. Just a complete savage.
I am I that's reminded me that at the time I was like, I would
love to do a podcast with her because she then I did a little
bit of reading about her and what an interesting life she's.
She's a brilliant woman, you know, no matter what, if you're
on the same side as far as Mayblood, you're on the right
side. I always say, you know, she's a
great woman. Very.
But she doesn't doesn't like all the bad language and the rude
bits that people do, you know, to tell you either.
Yeah, very much. But, you know, cut that right,
you know. Yes, yes.
But she has, I mean, she's been through a lot, but she's just as
a strong woman. Oh, definitely, definitely.
But just bringing it back to that kind of thing of, you know,
some people hate the show and and like any comedy, like I put
a video, yes, of course you're going to get people who hate it
and want for some reason or adamant that they want to tell
you that. But we we had a kind of thing
where I did an interview for The Sunday Times, which was such a
big deal in the made time. I was like, this is great.
Then it was all about kind. I think I was doing my first
Ulster Hall show. So it was supposedly just about
that and a little bit about the local comedy scene.
And then and it was, you know, recorded on like a dictaphone
and went back and forth and and I was asked about about getting
my hairpiece. You know, the guy was very much
like, so you know, what do you think I got where he was trying
to take me with it. And then, you know, I at that
point, this was four years ago, maybe this you might remember
it. And I, I said, like the thing I
want to see on TV is, is new comedy alongside the established
stuff that's there. So, you know, I would love to
see get my headpiece on a 10, but at half 10 or 11, I'd love
to see like a new comedy show. And of course I'd want to be in
it. But if I wasn't, I would just
love to see that new scene being represented.
And I was like, you know, it's a the shows and institution said
the same thing. I told you about watching it
with my granny and granda and how much I enjoyed it.
And then that article came out and I was buzzing to like read
it and open it up. And I was beyond misquoted and
so embarrassed. And I could tell that the guy
that wrote it had like an agenda, had a, you know, was
adamant that he was going to get in the point that he wanted to
save it almost used me to do it. So I had to, I was straight on
to you. And I was like, listen, this is
this was I was glad it was recorded because I was like
under pressure. I was like, I would never want
anyone to think I would. Yeah, slobber.
You know, almost. I wouldn't worry about it, but I
mean, journalists do that anyway.
But I mean, we've never had genuinely never had a good
review. Forgive me, Headpiece never has.
A reviewers here are pretty bad. And I mean, they don't review
comedy here, and they should be. There's enough comedy out there
for people to go. Yeah, no, never get that.
Should be, should be looked at, you know, and they like Paddy
Ralph and all that sort of stuff that's coming up and you go,
bloody hell. This is the different vibrant
scene here. Let's look at this but don't
worry about that at all, but we have never and The Sunday Times
was again The Sunday Times you really has every time for the
first few years. Give me a piece.
He just spent every year there's a new series.
He just give it a kick and he just he got a baseball bat and
he just this is crap and these are cartoon characters and
pantomime and it's crap. What according to Northern
Ireland prosthetic and you go after a you got you got annoyed
the first time, but the second time you got the S and then when
you just go like that's fine. It's that your opinion?
What I couldn't believe was I then said to him, and I was
like, you recorded this. Like, you know, I didn't say
that. And he was like, yeah, you're
you're right. Couldn't believe it.
That's like don't say I said it you.
Know, but yeah, I mean, that's, I mean, there is an element of
this where you're, you know, there is an ego involved in
being a being a comedian, but there's all you've got to take,
you know, criticism. You got to accept criticism.
And no matter what you're doing, no matter how brilliant you are,
you're the best you in the world, there's still people
going to hit you no matter what you're selling their stadiums.
You're Kevin Bridges or whatever.
And sometimes comedians take themselves too far, as you say.
Kevin Bridges told us this great story.
He was on the he was on the the blame game one time, a couple of
times and he was on the he said he sold out this stadium and it
went fucking great. The standing ovation at the end,
except for one guy who was sitting at the front row just
with his arms folded like that and didn't smile or anything.
And when he walked off the stage, he caught this guy's eyes
and the guy was sitting and he said it took me a day.
So there were 10,000 people cheering me to the rafters.
This guy going to annoyed me. What's wrong with him?
Why is he not laughing? What's on my head?
I don't know what's happened to this man's life or where.
Yeah, you definitely do. We could have annoyed, you know,
Dave Village dealer or whatever. You know, Dave couldn't pay.
He could have an awful day. And just remember, he was
spending two minutes before he caught his eye and he's tired
and he's like, no, he said. That fucking annoyed me for a
week. The worst?
The worst thing is when you do see someone like that and you're
chatting to them after and you know someone you'd be like you
are you OK? Like is everything right?
The person. I'm just I'm not a laugher.
You know, you go well, don't come to my shows ever again.
I don't need you here. I need I need laughers.
You know I need laughers. Did you ever have a did you ever
have a hairy moment with with get my headpieced with a gig
like after a show like ever? Like, did you ever have a quiet
word like anything like that walking home to the car?
We we had a few complaints about some of the stuff we did in a
live show. But the the only time we felt
really bad was we did a show up in Derry one time and the the
situation there was a March and it was very controversial.
There was a huge rat and Derry and the tension was very high
and we were doing the taking the piss out of the Provost and
Gerry Adams and stuff, and they didn't get it.
They thought we were being serious.
So instead of, you know, laughing at these, you know, we
we have this this band called Jerry and the peacemaker, you
know, and Jerry was, you know, doing these wolf tone song and
instead of, you know, going that's very funny.
They went fucking right. Yeah.
And we go no, no, no, no, you're missing the point.
This is satire. We're we're having a go with
that. No, no, no, not, no, not up the
rat, no. And it was really clear the only
time the message isn't getting through here.
Oh, that's, yeah, that's, that's enjoyable.
I mean, like, like you say about, you know, social media
and and this sort of new thing of people, well, it's not new at
all. People getting into the
sectarian arguments. It is madness that that that's
the and it's not a generational thing because my generation to,
you know, the whole just getting into that so quickly.
And when you look at the likes of the Belfast Telegraph comment
section, you see this. I don't know if everyone who
does it is into it. I think a lot of it is, you
know, faceless people is troll accounts and that's pretty
prevalent like right now on social media with like, I don't
know, fold like the loud flag thing, but all that.
And and that's kind of the only thing where I will always
respect like someone like getting on stage, Tim McGarry
getting on stage, you can see your face, you're standing over
your jokes. But now it's possible for anyone
to to to just be anonymous and do that kind of thing.
And I. The problem is a lot of people
are taking themselves too seriously and that's you know,
you always have a sense of your own ridiculousness.
As my late father used to say, calm down.
And what I've learned a lesson. Sometimes I used to engage with
people on Twitter and something go no, no, don't just always be
nice. Always been AI had a Meg
birthday was recently and there are lots of people sent me very
nice messages from a birthday and some guy kind of said ah,
but what about Brexit and went in this rant about Brexit.
I go under bastards and blahdy blah instead of getting
aggression to this. Thanks very much for your
message. I think you've missed the mood
of the thread, Sir. All right, Sir, you've misread
the room here, you know, but the bet I haven't said that.
The best quote quote I think I should put on my posters from
there. When I did the Irish History
show and out on TV and it was the early days of Twitter 10
years ago and there were people calling ISIS crap and then some
people said it was brilliant. And then I got the best quote
ever. This guy said watching Tim
Mcgarry's Irish history lessons and not a shape as I thought it
would be. Which Northern Ireland is the
highest of praise? It's four stars, that's.
Put that in The Sunday Times. Oh yeah, I mean it.
I think I took longer than I should have to get that point
of, you know, you are going to get criticised and you know,
it's other people's insecurities.
Obviously you will get people who do genuinely think it
should, but it gets to the point now where you kind of just you
kind of worry about the sort of people who would take their time
to yeah, to do that kind of thing.
Trying to make you feel. Bad.
Yeah, and I think just being polite and not reacting kills
them a bit. So.
So yeah, the other. Thing is, you should sorry, you
should always there can be some good criticism.
You can you always got to be careful about your work and not
be complacent and go well, hang on, am I, you know, have they
got a point here is that, you know, we, as I say, we're very
lucky in the whole of war game. There's three of us who do all
the writing. Forgive me a piece.
I write the stand up and stuff on me.
One writer, Paul Gamble, who helps me blame game stuff for
doing me on. But for, you know, we have our
built in kind of editorial policy, but we also have to be
very strict with ourselves and go guys, this is all right, but
it's not great. We have an order.
Go with this, you know, give another pass of that.
Don't be happy just to go first draft.
That will do That's funny. Let's knock it out and away you
go, you know. So some criticism is is valid.
You know, you got absolutely criticism from Buck and shame
towards the wanker. I don't like them.
You know that's not a criticism mate.
Tim, you were very quick to come up with that.
Off the top of my head, I'm just going to tweet here from Dave
Elliot. He's This is the line for you to
go. We know all about lines.
Say we're riffing now. We're riffing now.
We're riffing. I want to ask, no, I want to ask
you this as a, as a, as a final question, have you, is there any
sort of project or thing that you would, you would love to do?
You know, you've you've been really lucky to do like
documentaries, sitcom stage is is is there any like personal
thing or programme that you would you would love to make at
some point? Well, that's a very good
question. We we're, we're, we're delving
into documentaries and stuff. We're making a documentary about
Oscar Wilde and Edward Carson and the relationship between
Oscar Wilde and Edward. We like our history.
So I'd like to do a couple more history programmes.
But comedy ways. I mean, I just would like to do
a still a stand up show me when I haven't done a solo show in a
long time. And I'm thinking of doing 1 next
year called Tim McGarry Needs a Hug.
And I would just like the, you know, idea And just, I haven't
done a full solution in a way. And I just thought I would like
to get back into the Opera House on my own and just do an hour,
an hour and a half or something. And just, you know, because
there's nowhere better, by the way, than the Opera House.
It's just the best venue. You know, I love the Ulster
Hall. We did the Ulster Hall for the
first time this year. But the Opera House is just, you
know, they're just, they're nice and close to you and it's just a
lovely atmosphere. You have to put in a word with
the Opera House for me because I've, I've tried to do it for
years. And yeah, yeah.
I mean, I don't know whether it's in age thing or something
like that, but I've tried. I would love to do the opera.
The only time I did the opera, you mentioned Jackie Hamilton.
Whenever I first started stand up Jackie Phone, I was maybe 19
years old. I had the flu.
It was Christmas time. Jackie phoned me.
He said do you want to come and perform at the Opera House?
And I felt like it was on my deathbed, but I remember my dad
going to the garage to buy me look as aid sport a fire that
into me. I did a few press ups and when I
have to do this, I've got to go and perform.
I got there thinking I was going to do like 5-10 minutes set.
Do you ever remember Dermot Whelan used to do a thing called
the Toll trolls? Oh, yes, yes, yes.
I wasn't doing a set. I was putting on the troll
outfit and they were talking from microphones up in the
stands and me and George Quinn, me and Magic George were acting
out what they were saying. So we were wearing these big
giant outfits and John Bishop was headlining the shows and we
were doing. That.
You were doing it. You were doing it and we were
the 2 main George with the total trolls and we introduced John
Bishop. I was like, I've just managed to
get through this without faint dinner.
Whatever. I walked off stage was like it
still counts performance at the Opera House.
As I was walking off, I thought I'm the told troll it's funny
night. I'll give John Bishop a total
high 5 as he walks onto the stage.
He just punched me in the nose. He just punched me flat in the
nose. I don't know what he was trying
to do comedically, but the suits weren't as thick as he thought.
The worst when he punched me in the nose, I did feel it on the
bridge and I walked off a wee bit, a wee bit fuzzy.
And I was like, I don't, I don't know why he's done that.
And then I just went home and was sick for a long time.
So the more the story is I want to avenge my my Opera House
show. You need to get a, you need to
get a good solicitor that's Case is still active and live.
You need to go and sue John Bishop.
He's loaded. He's like.
I know I'm waiting until yes, that's what that that was my
point, you know, just waiting until he keeps making that money
and then I'm just going to hit him with that with that lawsuit.
And Tim, cheers for for doing the podcast.
Really, really appreciate it. Anytime, Sir, look forward to
gigging with you soon and definitely do that.
Do that. Do the new stand up or I would I
would love to say it because pugs honestly, that was that in
that sort of year that that stood out for me.
That spot. And also Neil Dugan did we did a
thing called Live at the Sun Floor, which was a radio show
for Radio Ulster. And Neil was not nervous about
doing it, but there was everyone on the bill.
I don't think there was anyone over like 25 that night.
And they, and it was a very young crowd in the Sun floor and
they was, you know, not hesitant at all, but he was sort of
asking a lot of questions. He went up.
The only guy wearing a suit, you know, you don't need like turned
out in the suit. He went up and it was just one
of the most enjoyable, enjoyable performances.
It was a little bit old school, but it absolutely destroyed the
place. Neil's brilliant, he did a one
man show about religion that and I saw it in the Hollywood
Welders Club, believe it or not, and you know, brilliant show and
it's sadly it just didn't get a big enough audience.
Now there was a half decent audience that night.
I think he took it on tour and it just didn't take off from
which is a real because he's real good talent, a really hot
show he had. I mean he's a great guy.
I think he's giving it up there, hasn't he?
Or. Yeah, I think he's taking like a
little bit of a break because he works full time and he was
gigging most weekends and I've messaged him a couple of times
to be like, when are you getting back into this?
Because there's something I love about a stand up, not that I
would, but a stand up that wears like a suit, you know, there's
something, I wouldn't do it myself, but I can always
appreciate it. And there's something like, this
is like a real, this is what a real comedian should be, you
know? And I'm wearing a throw.
Back to the 70s with the oil, wore decky bows and dinner
suits. You know, we should bring that
back. Maybe we should bring that.
Yeah, I'm wearing flip flops and a Man United training top, you
know. But but yeah, Tim, thanks very
much. Appreciate it.
Chat to you soon. Right.
Give Dave a hug from me when you see him, will you?
Well, unfortunately I. Can't.
Get into the facility. Yeah, okay.
He's only allowed one visitor a week, so event me and you should
both go up because he needs it. He needs it.
Good luck.