1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,080 I'm Michael Che. And I'm Colin Jose, and we've 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,280 got a little secret. Actually, it's a pretty big 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:06,480 secret. Well, now you got to give the 4 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,360 people something. I'm not saying a word. 5 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:09,920 Oh, then people will know to tune in. 6 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,080 Come on, tell them a little. Like our hosting of comedy 7 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,440 events streaming only on Peacock. 8 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,520 Exactly. It's called New York After Dark 9 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,080 and it's a comedy show that only features drop in comic. 10 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,040 Boom, you nail. Into Michael Che's phone. 11 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,000 Nervous. Whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, hey, hey. 12 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,720 New York After Dark. It's some kind of comedy thing, 13 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,000 and it's streaming now only on Peacock. 14 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:41,200 You love it. Zippers, welcome to this episode 15 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,200 of the Tea with Me podcast. With me, she and Todd. 16 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,640 It's a good time. It's a guest episode of the 17 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,000 podcast. We're feeling good. 18 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:52,720 We're feeling fine. Spoiler like this is actually 19 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,160 coffee. The whole thing is a lie. 20 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,000 The whole thing's alive. Bring it down before we get into 21 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,760 it. I just got to ask Dan, while 22 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,640 you're twiddling your knob there, let me just ask. 23 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,160 Let me just ask serious question before we get into it because 24 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,360 it's hanging over me on this podcast record. 25 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,200 Let me just ask you this and you just answer yes or no and just 26 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,600 be honest, right? Don't try and like mug me off or 27 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,440 be funny. Just be honest, right? 28 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,040 Kind of picked up a vibe and I want to see. 29 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,520 If I got it right, yes or no? Do you think I text you too much 30 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:28,080 over Christmas and New Year's? Yeah, yeah, that's the my, my 31 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:33,360 God. I realised I texted him the like 32 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,560 Patreon number target of like this we're going to hit by 33 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,720 February 3 times and it was the same every time. 34 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,960 It's not stoked. It's like, OK, what's an 35 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:45,080 appropriate amount of like tax per week? 36 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,240 Is there an, is there an amount, or is it? 37 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,320 But because here's where I think it went wrong, I was saying 38 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,160 instead of sending you like one, what's up with like loads of 39 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,080 paragraphs in it, I was sending you a separate one for every 40 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:00,840 sentence. You know what I mean? 41 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,680 I think the fact that it was the week between Christmas and New 42 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,680 Year, you could have just relaxed a little bit. 43 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,560 Yeah, but then I but you were working, you know what I mean? 44 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,840 So it's not like you were like, oh, I'm going to take some time 45 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,480 off with, you know, surfboard And you know, I thought because 46 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,720 you're that's I'm sorry, came on to stuff. 47 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,240 I just thought you liked me. So yeah, separate. 48 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,240 It's a guest episode this week. Before we get into it, let me 49 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,960 just plug Patreon, which is patreon.com/tea With Me podcast. 50 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,480 We do the breakfast episode on there, which is called Breakfast 51 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,400 Brew every day, Monday to Friday, comes out at about half 52 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,320 9:00 in the morning. And it's it's a fun time. 53 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,120 We just do it in my kitchen. Every episode's different. 54 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,440 You get the bonus episode on a Monday as well. 55 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,280 But this is the the big fat public episode and it's a guest 56 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,400 episode. My guest. 57 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,040 Well, let me try and say guest episode more times. 58 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,800 My guest is Joe List. Joe is a stand up comedian based 59 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,040 in New York. I saw him in the stand comedy 60 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,400 club last time I was in New York and I've been a fan for a while. 61 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,360 He does a great podcast with Mark Normand, who's also coming 62 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,280 on the podcast pretty soon called Tuesday with Stories, 63 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,680 which is a really interesting podcast and for stand ups. 64 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:16,800 Because they just talk about like. 65 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,880 The kind of inner workings of what's going on for them stand 66 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,880 up wise and the shows are doing and that kind of thing. 67 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,160 But also if you're if you're not a stand up. 68 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,440 Just very interesting and entertaining as well. 69 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,360 Joe also does his own podcast called Mindful Metal Jacket as 70 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,480 well. It's just a funny guy. 71 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,920 He's given us his time for doing this. 72 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:42,040 The one thing stands out to me about Jew List is whenever we 73 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,960 were doing the same night in New York and he was on the bill too, 74 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,120 he asked me where I was from. And I said, umm, you know, 75 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,600 Ireland, Northern Ireland, umm, because you're used to. 76 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,160 That's what you say is like even there I was like Northern, the 77 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,040 only place where you can't just say one place. 78 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,120 You've got to give all the options just in case somebody 79 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,760 gets a little bit offended, like Northern Ireland, north of 80 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,360 Ireland, the UK Britain era, you know, you just got to give all 81 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,080 the eventualities. I said Northern Ireland and he 82 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,320 was like, OK, and then said that he had some sort of interest in 83 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,279 the troubles. He's like, I find that very 84 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,839 interesting and like maybe done a bit of reading of it. 85 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,120 So that's something I had to talk to him about on the podcast 86 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:23,680 and stand up and loads other things as well. 87 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,520 Very, very, very nice gentleman. He's got a nice face. 88 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,240 He's duelist. There's a Tea with Me episode. 89 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:39,440 With my man jewelist. Joe, my number one question for 90 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,960 people when they come on the podcast is do you drink tea? 91 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,480 Maybe you could tell me a little bit about your interpretation of 92 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,840 of tea and yeah, I'd just love to know all about. 93 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:53,760 I I drink tea. I am drinking tea currently 94 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,000 right now and this is my second cup of the day. 95 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,440 This is a homemade cup in a Starbucks cup. 96 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:03,120 I start every day by going to Starbucks and getting an 97 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:09,720 Emperor's Clouds tea, which is a green tea and I drink 3 or 4, 98 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,560 sometimes 5 cups of tea a day. I'm a big tea guy. 99 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,200 Now, have you ever gone sort of traditional English breakfast 100 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,320 type tea like the Irish tea we would have? 101 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:26,200 I, I've been to, I've done that comedy, the Vodafone festival in 102 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,280 Dublin a couple times and like in all the green rooms there, 103 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:35,760 they only have just regular black tea. 104 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,800 So that I drank a lot of black tea when I was in Ireland. 105 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,080 I'll, yeah, I'll drink black tea if that's the option. 106 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,720 It's a lot more caffeine, so I need to be eating something with 107 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,640 it. But I, I do enjoy pretty much 108 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,880 any tea. I like a hot beverage, any like 109 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,760 real tea. I like a black tea, a green tea, 110 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,560 a white tea like chamomile tea, chamomile as you say over there. 111 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:05,920 But any kind of anything fruit, I don't do if it's like a mango. 112 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,720 Yeah. Whatever the fuck, I can't do 113 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,280 that. But mostly, I'm a green tea guy. 114 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,240 I mean, you've got to be really care. 115 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,680 I mean, obviously in New York you can definitely order an 116 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,000 Emperor's Clothes, whatever that is. 117 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,760 But in Dublin, if you ask for Emperor's Clothes, you're 118 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,360 definitely going to get drugs 100%. 119 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,720 No, I know I people when I go to Starbucks, I order Emperors. 120 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,520 It's actually called Emperor's Clouds and Mist is the official 121 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,760 name. And people are like, what? 122 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,080 What the fuck did you just order? 123 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,840 And I'm like, it's green tea. I got a green tea with, I don't 124 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:39,680 know, it's shades of something. I'm sure there's some kind of 125 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,160 lemongrass or some shit in there. 126 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,800 So there's there's something the way you have filled up your own 127 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,960 tea in a Starbucks cup. Something very, very rewarding 128 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,040 about that, where you feel like in a way, you're like beating 129 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,320 the system. It feels a little bit, feels a 130 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,160 bit rebellious, and you shouldn't be doing it. 131 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,840 Yeah. Well, I, I like, I mean I have 132 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:05,400 like OCD and shit like the, the folds in the, the little sleeve 133 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,800 thing. It fits into the folds of my 134 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,600 fingers. Like it just feels nice and it 135 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,040 also keeps it warm, like drinking out of a tea cup, which 136 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,560 which you're doing our coffee cup. 137 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,280 I find it it cools down too fast. 138 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,160 Like I tried to do a joke about this a long time ago but nobody 139 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,640 gives a shit about tea except this. 140 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,960 Is the platform. Right, Well, I always say like I 141 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,200 love tea except for the first and last sip of tea are a 142 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,240 nightmare like 'cause the first sip you're like, Oh my God, am I 143 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,680 going to burn my face off? And then the last one is just 144 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,360 shit. Like you're just drinking like, 145 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,760 you know, it's now like lukewarm and, and at the bottom is always 146 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,600 has like, you know, residue. It's just like, it's just nasty. 147 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,640 So I like drinking out of a coffee cup. 148 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,560 I like a like a Starbucks cup when I can. 149 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,440 So if I was in the crowd and you did that material for the first 150 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,360 time, you would still be doing that material Based on my 151 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,920 reaction, 100% I would have given you something for that, 152 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,880 definitely. I appreciate it. 153 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,200 You and I, you won't remember this. 154 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,160 You and I met, I did the stand. I did some gigs in the stand 155 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,200 like last year, like very early last year. 156 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,080 And that was my first time performing in in New York. 157 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:20,720 And I was just blown away by the standard of comedy and got to 158 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,520 like hang out and talk to some people like you. 159 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,320 And Mark, you do the Tuesday with stories with just very 160 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,000 briefly, like we're introduced to each other. 161 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,400 And you asked me where I was from. 162 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,760 I said I'm from like Ireland, Northern Ireland, Belfast. 163 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,600 I mean, we presume no one like knows anything about us. 164 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,400 And then you sort of said you had a little bit of an interest 165 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,280 in the troubles. And honestly, when you said 166 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,520 that, I felt like crying tears of joy and I phoned people back 167 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,000 home and I was like, there is a guy in America that knows us. 168 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,960 It was it was a beautiful moment. 169 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,400 Oh, thanks. Yeah, I think I was reading Say 170 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,160 Nothing at the time. The Patrick Keefe or Patrick 171 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,960 O'Keefe? I can't remember his name. 172 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,640 I think it's Patrick Keefe or O'Keefe, but yeah, he wrote a 173 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,720 book called Say Nothing and it's one of the, it's maybe my 174 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,480 favourite book ever. And I think I was in the middle 175 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:07,680 of it. So I wanted to talk about it 176 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:10,520 with anybody that would talk about it. 177 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:15,480 And you know, my, I have some Irish heritage or whatever which 178 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,080 I feel like people in Ireland never want to hear about 179 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,480 Americans talking about their Irish heritage. 180 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,800 But no. I, I think, I think you can like 181 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,000 I, I would have not dismissed that for a long time. 182 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,240 But like, yeah, like you say, you do hear a lot of that. 183 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,680 And then I went to America for Saint Patrick's Day like 2 years 184 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:36,840 ago and Manhattan nearly turned into a river with the tears. 185 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,320 I was crying. I was like, these people love 186 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:39,640 it. They are really into it. 187 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,880 Like they're really going for it and it was a good time. 188 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,720 But yeah, saying nothing is a very apartment title for a book 189 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,720 about that because that, that is the code here. 190 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,080 Like, literally, you probably thought it was a bit weird that 191 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,880 night because you asked me about the Troubles, and I think I just 192 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,160 left the club because you can't, like, you can't really say 193 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,200 anything about it. You know, it's one of those 194 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,280 things where, you know, you're talking about a period of 195 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,080 decades and decades of like, of bloodshed that is still kind of 196 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,840 like a bit of a thing here. And it's so weird that to me 197 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,920 that anybody from outside of here would know anything about 198 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,040 it and be reading about it. And I was just so proud that you 199 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,640 knew about all the bloody warfare that we'd had. 200 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,360 Oh, thanks. Yeah, No, it's, I mean, it's a 201 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,800 fascinating thing. And and now I feel like like 202 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,880 yesterday's events in the States sort of reminded me of of that 203 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,840 of, of the book and it feels like. 204 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:32,800 Well, it feels very simple. Yeah, it. 205 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:39,560 Feels it feels very similar in that it's, you know, it's 206 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,360 obviously it, it didn't get as dramatic or, or deadly or not 207 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,960 yet anyways, but it, it felt, you know, just people not in 208 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,960 uniform, just people regular, like regular people, you know, 209 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,360 engaging in some kind of a battle. 210 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,120 So yeah, I've always been fascinated by it and that book 211 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,720 is just amazing. Like there's so many stories in 212 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,520 that book that you're like, this should be a movie. 213 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,320 This could be a movie, just this one scene could be a movie. 214 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,480 And I've always been interested in I mean, I'm from the Boston 215 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,440 area and I don't know if you've spent time in Boston. 216 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,520 I probably asked you about it when we we saw each other like, 217 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,400 but that was something I was struck by when I first went to 218 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,560 Ireland. The first time is like, oh, we 219 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:24,400 nailed Irish pubs. Like I was like, I'm going to go 220 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:29,440 to an authentic Irish bar. And aside from the age and maybe 221 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,120 this is going to be people will hate me in, in Ireland for 222 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,000 saying this. But aside from the amount of 223 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,240 time it's been around, I'm like, oh, we kind of nailed it, which 224 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,200 I guess makes sense because the Irish bars were started by Irish 225 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:43,400 immigrants. So, but I'm like, yeah, this is 226 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,440 not that unlike bars in Dublin are not that unlike bars in 227 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,680 South Boston to me. Yeah, especially in the areas 228 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:51,080 you would have been in Dublin, probably. 229 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,360 It's like people were bringing you there for the first time. 230 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,240 They are areas that will have those quintessentially Irish 231 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:02,080 bars that are, you know, a lot of kind of street signs. 232 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,600 You've got the the traditional music and like, yeah, when I'm 233 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,800 in America, people from here, we always like, end up in Irish 234 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,680 bars and everything's great. And you're like, this does 235 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:14,480 remind me of home. And then one person says go away 236 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,280 instead of go away. And it just ruins your night. 237 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,960 I can't deal with this. But it's interesting to say 238 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,200 about like the events that are happening in your country at the 239 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,200 minute. Like that is really, that is a 240 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:26,400 Tuesday to us, you know what I mean? 241 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,320 Like that's kind of like we think we like, look at that like 242 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,960 it's not really that big of a thing because we had a similar 243 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,920 incident. Our government buildings were 244 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:40,800 nearly taken over like 10 years ago by this guy who's like quite 245 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,400 a famous. He was in a paramilitary. 246 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,280 He's been in gaol for a long time. 247 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,880 They let him out and then he tried to like get into 248 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,840 government buildings with a bomb, but he got stuck in the 249 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,680 revolving door in the front. And I mean, it was really just, 250 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,840 it was tough to watch on a lot of levels because like, the guy 251 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,520 had planned this for a long time. 252 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,040 And honestly, the revolving door really threw him off. 253 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,600 And a security guard just put his foot in the revolving door 254 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,560 and the guy was just stuck. Like it was really the meaning. 255 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:10,960 Like he's just stuck. And of course, this is all 256 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,680 caught on camera. And a female security, a very 257 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:16,520 tough female security guard just like twatted him on the head 258 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,040 with a bat. And he was just kind of, I mean, 259 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,360 it's an iconic image of this guy who like thinks he's, you know, 260 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,200 Rambo is just just stuck in it, a middle-aged man just suspended 261 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,560 in a revolving door. So like when we see the thing 262 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:30,040 with with you guys, with Capitol Hill like that, yeah, that 263 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,280 doesn't really stand out the people in in Northern Ireland 264 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,640 too much. Yeah, I guess you, you always 265 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,560 think, I mean, in this country, certainly we're, we're, we're 266 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:43,840 taught and, and, and sort of it's beaten into us that we're 267 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,960 #1 and we're the shining city on a hill and American 268 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,480 exceptionalism and all this stuff. 269 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,160 So it, it did feel very much like, oh, this is something we 270 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:57,040 watch in another country. And it feels like, it looked to 271 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,160 me like, you know, the American embassy being taken in Iran in 272 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,400 the 70s, you know, it was like, this is insanity. 273 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,280 So I think in America, everyone kind of holds us as like where 274 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,400 this we're America, we don't do that kind of stuff. 275 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and now it's just like, you 276 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,560 know, we're becoming a a joke, it feels like to me in a lot of 277 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:19,960 ways. I mean, I'm still glad I live 278 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,200 here. I'm not moving, but. 279 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,840 But I'm thinking about it, you know? 280 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,720 Yeah. From the outside in, like it 281 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,320 seems like so many stand ups in America that live in kind of the 282 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,800 what I would have thought were the comedy hotspots of of New 283 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,040 York and LA. Everybody seems to be moving out 284 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,840 to, you know, moving down South, moving to like totally, totally 285 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,400 different places. And it's crazy how something 286 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,920 that seems so solid, like I've been to LA couple probably 287 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,440 slightly more times in New York just to watch shows and do some 288 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,320 shows like open mics and things. And when you watch even the 289 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,560 Comedy Store documentary that was just on TV for us like last 290 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,600 week, you think, well, that's never going to go away. 291 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,520 But I mean, in these times it shows you that I don't think 292 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,480 stand up in LA will will go away, but it can have the rug 293 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,600 taken out from a pretty quick if a lot of big comedians decide to 294 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,640 just leave. Yeah, no, it's interesting. 295 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,120 And and I've been talking about that. 296 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,880 It's weird because in New York, you know, rents are so high, 297 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,560 cost of living is so high. And during pandemic here with 298 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,880 like the Comedy Cellar, which to me is like the greatest comedy 299 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,840 venue ever, ever. And they were doing like 8 or 9 300 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,880 shows a night, like on a Tuesday. 301 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,360 It was crazy. Everything's sold out. 302 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,520 And so now with pandemic, it's like that's slowed down and 303 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,320 tourism is slowed down till who knows when and people are going 304 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,720 to, you know, stay home and stuff. 305 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:51,280 And you start to go and I'm paying, people are paying $3000 306 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,040 a month in rent. I mean, I tell, I tell people my 307 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,520 family what I pay for rent and they like, they're like, they 308 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,480 think I'm kidding so. And and not to mention, you 309 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,400 know, the subway sucks and it's crowded and all this stuff. 310 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,480 So. And I've been doing stand up for 311 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,760 20 years and on the road. So you do get older and you're 312 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,280 like, boy, I wouldn't mind a yard that seems like fun, a a 313 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:15,360 driveway, a place to park, a supermarket with that you can't 314 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,000 touch both aisles with at the same time, you know? 315 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,640 Yeah, yeah. So it definitely makes you think 316 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,440 a little bit about going other places. 317 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:28,360 And from what I understand in California, like their taxes are 318 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,360 insanely high like that you can save tonnes and tonnes of money. 319 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,040 Like, you know, Joe Rogan just went to Texas and a few other a 320 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,800 bunch of comics have moved to Nashville. 321 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,320 So yeah, it's, it's changes in the air, I guess. 322 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,120 I mean, here is so small that that would never really work. 323 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,360 I mean, I could move to a totally different town or city, 324 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,200 but it's still be within like 30 minutes drive of the capital. 325 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,760 Like we don't that that's the good thing though, when like you 326 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,720 say about like you would like a yard you can be in. 327 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,600 Like where I live is such a small place. 328 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,040 You can be in our capital city in Belfast and then quite 329 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,280 literally 10 minutes later you can be in like the green 330 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,040 countryside. Yeah, that seems. 331 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,240 That's pretty great. I mean and how far is Dublin 332 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,359 from Belfast? Is that what, 5 hours? 333 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,119 Four hours? Oh, like 90 minutes, honestly. 334 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,359 Like, yeah, I mean you're everything is like within 335 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,280 driving distance to the point where we used like I started 336 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,000 gigging. You would like drive to Dublin 337 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,720 to do a show, you do a gig down there and then you might come 338 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,720 back and get like a one of the later gigs in Belfast. 339 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:34,000 It everything is so it's so small, it's so close together, 340 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,360 which some people love and some people hate because if you live 341 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:40,880 in a town or a village, like everybody knows everybody's 342 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,560 business. One of those kind of like it's 343 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,280 it's like 3° of separation here with everyone. 344 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:48,480 Interesting. So now I'm like interviewing 345 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,360 you, but has, has the border crossing changed yet or is this 346 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:54,920 changed because I, I know the, the situation with the EU is 347 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,520 there going to because I know that was something people were 348 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,360 worried about. Now is if you know there's now a 349 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:02,720 border crossing, you're getting stopped and I'd that could flare 350 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,720 things up a little bit between the two countries. 351 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,760 I think The thing is like Northern Ireland especially is 352 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,160 like a real special case for Brexit in that we're on the 353 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,760 island of Ireland, but we're technically part of Great 354 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,840 Britain. So it puts you in a very strange 355 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,680 position. But we, I don't think we really 356 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,440 know what's going on as a as a people. 357 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:30,280 And we probably like left it too late to ask, you know, people in 358 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,840 England or people in Ireland, like, what's the deal with this? 359 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,600 So we all pretend we understand what Brexit is and what it 360 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,400 means. But like us and like our 361 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,160 politicians, like we have, we have apps. 362 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,440 I think we're just trying to see who's going to give this like 363 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:47,000 better stuff out of the European Union or, or, or the UK. 364 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,800 But the thing with the border is there, there is like thousands 365 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,800 of border crossings here. So they could never properly 366 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,520 bring in a border because like there's like you can just go to 367 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,400 your great uncle's garden and he will have a border crossing. 368 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,560 Right there. But yeah, I think a border would 369 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,000 would cause like loads, loads attention. 370 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,520 And there's a sea border now which people are giving up. 371 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,400 I mean, I don't know why people are giving off that because it's 372 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,320 not applicable really to any. No one's getting to Dublin from 373 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,480 Belfast by a boat. But like, it just takes the 374 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,360 slightest thing here for politics to really kick off. 375 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:26,600 Like our newspapers, we can put an article up saying you and I 376 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,640 have done this podcast on like one of the local newspaper 377 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,920 Facebook pages and it would take like 3 comments before it 378 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,160 descends into other sectarian chaos not based on anything 379 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,280 we've talked about. Right. 380 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,160 Yeah, that's, that's not unlike here also, or just the Internet 381 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,840 in general, which I do have some, which is scary to me, but 382 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,680 I do have something of like, I'll watch documentaries and 383 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,680 you're kind of like, oh, I think it's always been like that. 384 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,840 It's just now we can see everybody's dialogue. 385 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,680 I forget what I was watching. I don't know, it was some kind 386 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,600 of. Maybe there's a cult thing or 387 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,360 some other thing, but, you know, you have all these people 388 00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:06,680 screaming at each other and you're like, oh, OK, this has 389 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,400 always been like that. It's just now it's happening 390 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,960 online, so it's a little more clear for everyone to read. 391 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,280 So it feels a little more like we're deteriorating. 392 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,880 And I think, you know, maybe we are. 393 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,040 I don't know. I have some hope. 394 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,520 And we've nowhere to go. You've nowhere to really turn 395 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,880 away and look at something else. Because the same thing is just 396 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:26,000 happening on, on Facebook, on Twitter or wherever. 397 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,040 Everything is like a debate now. Like, because because we're at 398 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,880 home, there's no, there's no real escape from it. 399 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,480 What the Hell's going on with your balls? 400 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,480 Let me ask you that right now. 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No, it's funny. 462 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:31,160 So I my, my grandfather his there's my, my grandmother, my 463 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,520 father's mother, I believe, I can't, I don't know if I think 464 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,720 her parents were from Ireland. She was born in the States, but 465 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,520 she might have been born in Ireland. 466 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,280 I'm not 100% sure. And then my grandfather, my 467 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,240 father's father, his last name is he's list. 468 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,160 And he told me since I was a kid that I, I never looked into it 469 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,600 other than just from him, but that, you know, a lot of Germans 470 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,600 list as a German name, but a lot of Germans went West in whatever 471 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,760 century. So he was always like, yeah, our 472 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,800 name is German, but there was several generations in Ireland 473 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:09,880 and I, I never looked into it. I always just went, OK, great. 474 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,200 OK, So there's several generations in Ireland. 475 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,600 And then I wondered if, like, you know, he was a kid in the 476 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,680 40s if he just went, no, no, no, I'm not German. 477 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:17,720 We're Irish. I swear to God. 478 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,400 It's entirely possible that he had heard, you know, Germans 479 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,840 migrated to Ireland in whatever century and he went with that 480 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,320 story. But you know, he had all the 481 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,120 shamrocks and all the thing and, and he was proud of his Irish 482 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:33,720 heritage and so was my grandmother. 483 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,720 But no, I never really looked into it. 484 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,800 And it's funny, 'cause I, I tried to do, somebody got me a 485 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,720 23andMe thing and I haven't used it. 486 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,560 But then I tried doing research. But if you look up surname or 487 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,200 last name list, it just gives you a list of names. 488 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,200 My, my last name is list LIST. And it's like impossible to 489 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,800 Google. I tried for so long and I was 490 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,360 getting like angry 'cause it was just giving me the lists of last 491 00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:58,000 names. It it sounds like your 492 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,480 grandfather is every base covered? 493 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,200 Yeah, I mean, that's what it, that's what it it, it felt like. 494 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,680 But, and my grandmother is, is Tui and then my mother on my 495 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,440 mother's side, my grandmother on my mother's side is a McKinnon. 496 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,000 MC McKinnon. She rapped. 497 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:15,920 What's that? She rapped. 498 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:23,240 Yes, she's she's MC McKinnon, the hip hop artist, famous hip 499 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,960 hop artist from from I tried to think of an Irish town. 500 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,200 I couldn't think of 1. Yeah, I mean, The thing is there 501 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,840 is Irish rap and I think it would, it would really interest 502 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,600 you. It's it's worth having a little 503 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,040 bit of a YouTube look through some some some Irish rappers. 504 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:39,160 Oh, maybe I'll check it out after this. 505 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,160 But but anyways. So I don't know that much of 506 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:49,240 where they're from and all that, but I do know that my family is 507 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,600 is, is Catholic and doesn't talk much about anything or show any 508 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,680 affection. And they all drink and and sing 509 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,920 and they're loud. So we all have that going. 510 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,840 Yeah. Certainly if it looks like it 511 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,840 and sounds like it, I'm, I'm going with it. 512 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,400 But yeah, there's definitely a lot of that. 513 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,880 Not a lot of emotion, not a lot of hugging, not a lot of just a 514 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,400 lot of there's a, you know, saying, I don't know if it 515 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,000 started there, but everyone in Boston says it is Irish 516 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,400 Alzheimer's. You forget everything but the 517 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,120 grudge. Is that a term you guys use 518 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:21,480 over? There. 519 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,520 No, but I like it. Yeah. 520 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:30,640 I, I spent a couple of days in Boston early last year and, and, 521 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,000 and did a, did a show, but it was like a very, very, very 522 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,360 small tourist show where it was just people from home that kind 523 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:41,000 of happened to live in Boston that came to it And, and it was 524 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,040 great. I walked around. 525 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:44,840 Is there like a big indoor market in Boston? 526 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,160 Faneuil Hall maybe? Yes, yeah, with loads of 527 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,400 different like food stands and that kind of yeah, I did that. 528 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,120 Just had a little walk around the around the city and it was, 529 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,880 it was great. The Boston, Chicago, 530 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,000 Philadelphia and then and then New York. 531 00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:06,160 But like those places like Boston and Philly especially it 532 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,080 like although there is a big Irish population, it does feel a 533 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,680 lot more homelier to me than certainly like the West Coast 534 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,560 and New York. Even though I like those places, 535 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,520 there is like a homely friendly type thing in in Boston, 536 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,120 especially if. Yeah, definitely no, New 537 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:27,240 England, that area is, is is so much like that. 538 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,440 There's so much warmth and I do think a lot because there's so 539 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,600 much English and Irish heritage. Obviously it's like that was 540 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,240 kind of the Bay. I mean, it's New England and you 541 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,680 know, Boston is such an Irish town. 542 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,520 So you do have a lot of those like, you know, I think of like 543 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,800 big sweaters and tea drinking and, and beer drinking and, and 544 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,960 pubs and huge families and family gatherings. 545 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,240 And there's a lot of, you know, let's get together and, and sing 546 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,000 and watch music and be like the fireplace. 547 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:05,280 It definitely feels a lot of those homey family qualities 548 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,520 that you just, I just don't see. Maybe it's because I'm from 549 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,600 there, but I just don't feel in the Midwest or down South. 550 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,920 Like, you know, New Mexico and Arizona just do not feel as 551 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,800 warmth and welcoming to me as New England. 552 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,000 But maybe people that are from there might hear that and be 553 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,520 like, what are you been saying? Everyone in Boston's racist 554 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,720 assholes. What, are you crazy? 555 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,600 So a lot of that is just my own experience and preference I 556 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,440 guess. Joe, I, I, my manager is called 557 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,680 Joe and looks very, very, very like you. 558 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,320 Like very, very like you. And there was a moment a couple 559 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,760 of minutes ago where I called you Joe, but thought, Oh no, 560 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,800 I've called you my manager's name, Joe, but then he is also 561 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,960 called Joe. So that's confusing. 562 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,080 But just to let you know, you look a lot like my manager, who 563 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,240 is also called Joe. Yeah, he sounds like a sexy man. 564 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,560 I should have. I have a shower. 565 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,040 This is like kind of a bed head. I had something to do before 566 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,680 this so I usually look a lot better than this folks. 567 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,640 Yeah, no, it's all good. Joe, let me ask you about but 568 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,840 how you got into stand up because I started listening to 569 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,600 your podcast about maybe like about a year ago. 570 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,960 And then it's so good for just having a little bit of an 571 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,560 insight into what it's like being a being a stand up in such 572 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,440 a comedy city like like New York. 573 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,040 And yeah, absolutely great podcast. 574 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,800 But I don't know much about kind of your journey in the stand up 575 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,960 and how you got started. Did you get started in Boston or 576 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,400 was it when you when you moved to New York? 577 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,200 No, so I I started in Boston, yeah, I started in October of 578 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,400 2000. I graduated high school in like 579 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,160 June of 2000. And yeah, it's all I wanted to 580 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,880 do was to be a stand up. And then for like a few months, 581 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,240 I just kind of was trying to get up the, a, like the, the balls 582 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,800 to go do it. But also like, as you know, I 583 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,320 like, I don't know what it's like there, but like when you 584 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,760 start doing stand up, you're like, I don't even know where to 585 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,200 go. And now it's a little easier, I 586 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,600 think, 'cause you have the Internet and podcasts or 587 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,200 whatever. But at the time I was just like, 588 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,040 I don't know, where do I even go to say, Hey, I'm a, I'd like to 589 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,160 be a comedian. And I grew up on the suburbs 590 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,920 about 35 minutes South of Boston. 591 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,240 I took the train and and I just was aimlessly walking around and 592 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:24,160 I found this. I just saw next to Fenway Park a 593 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,280 sign that said open mic Wednesday at this place called 594 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,200 Chops Lounge, which is like a kind of a Chinese restaurant 595 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,520 slash dive hotel. And I was like, this is it OK? 596 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,720 I found the sign and I like wrote it down in a pen and paper 597 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,840 and then went into like the phone book and called them. 598 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,040 And it was like an Asian restaurant. 599 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,080 And they were like, you know, I don't want to offend anyone, but 600 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,480 they're like, like, it was like, you know what I mean? 601 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,680 I know it's very not cool to do, but that's what it's. 602 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,440 I was just, you know, Asian. I'm like, I have no idea what's 603 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,760 happening. And I was like, all right, I'll 604 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,040 just show up. I'll just go there. 605 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,360 And I went there and it was like the truest open mic. 606 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,360 It was this guy named called Larry Lee Lewis. 607 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,800 And he was like, you want to go first? 608 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,320 And I was like, OK, sure. I don't know. 609 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,480 And I ended up getting bumped by some like crazy. 610 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,840 It was like a real open mic where there was just actual 611 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,360 crazy people and maniacs going up and a few comics. 612 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,440 And I went up and did 3 minutes. And then afterwards, this guy, 613 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,520 Larry Lee Lewis, he gave me his card and was like, that was 614 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,040 great. That was great, man. 615 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,520 He's like, you got to come back, come back next Wednesday. 616 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,760 And I felt like, OK, I'm in. I'm in show business, I'm in 617 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,920 comedy. And then I started going every 618 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,320 Wednesday and doing 3 minutes. And this is like a theme in my 619 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,120 life. I was like, perfect, I'm doing 620 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,040 it. I I didn't occur to me to like 621 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,800 do another place. Yeah, yeah. 622 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,200 So the first year I did comedy, I did like there was 52 weeks in 623 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,400 the year and I think I did 50 sets every Wednesday. 624 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,200 And it wasn't till like year 2 that a guy, an older comic was 625 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,720 like, how come I never see you any of the other places? 626 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,440 And I was like, what other places? 627 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,320 And then that it grew from there, where I started going, 628 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,440 there's a, there's an open mic here and there's this place here 629 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,840 and I was underage at the time. It, you know, drinking age is 21 630 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,360 here. So a lot of places I couldn't 631 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,960 get into because I was a teenager. 632 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,160 But basically that was it. I started doing all these open 633 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,760 mics and eventually this guy named Ed Regal, who had a bar 634 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,240 called the Emerald Isle, ironically in, in Dorchester. 635 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,480 And he said, Hey, I'll, I'll, I have a show on Saturday. 636 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,720 And then I, he's like, you want to do it? 637 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,200 I did it and he handed me like 25 bucks afterwards. 638 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,520 And of course, I was like, oh, you don't have to give me money. 639 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,080 And it was really helpful because he was like, this is a 640 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,120 brutal, really difficult business. 641 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,000 Anytime anybody offers you any amount of money, you take it. 642 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,000 Yeah, yeah. And I was like, you got it. 643 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,080 And so, so the next thing, that was it now. 644 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,720 But I remember leaving there being like, all right, I'm a 645 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,800 professional comedian now. And that was probably 2 1/2 646 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,200 years in and and it progressed from there. 647 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,960 What's happened to Larry in the since? 648 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,480 I don't know where Larry is. He was doing so he did an act. 649 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,440 He played piano and did old jokes. 650 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,120 They were stolen. The only joke of his that was 651 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,000 original that I thought was hilarious was he said, I got, I 652 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,120 know, 1000 jokes all told, all told by somebody else. 653 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,960 And he did like he did Milton Berle jokes and Rickles and 654 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,800 Dangerfield joke. You know, I'm trying to get down 655 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,639 to my original weight, 8 lbs three oz. 656 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:23,239 But he was like a middle-aged pothead, you know, old to me. 657 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,199 He was old at the time. He was probably, looking back, 658 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,239 he was probably like 49 or something. 659 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,000 But I don't know where he is. I don't know if he's still 660 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,880 working or not, or if he's alive. 661 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,440 I hope he's alive, but yeah, I'm not sure. 662 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,719 And what's the what's the kind of what's the current status of 663 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,440 of stand up where you are? Because the thing I found 664 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,080 amazing about New York, I mean, we don't, we literally don't 665 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,440 have in this country like a weekend club. 666 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,840 You can, you can do like Monday to Thursday, but like if you're 667 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,920 lucky, there's some of us that get to do like 3 or 4 shows a 668 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,960 week sometimes. So the thing that was crazy 669 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,040 about New York is you guys were doing 5 spots a night, maybe 670 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,720 sometimes more, a little bit less. 671 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,040 So has everything kind of just totally stopped? 672 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,000 Are you still able to do the likes of those rooftop shows you 673 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,160 that were going on or what? How is it? 674 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,240 How is it at the minute? Yeah, so it's a it's, it's a 675 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:23,600 little weird and there's different things available right 676 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,320 now In New York. For a while, indoor dining was 677 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,560 available and a couple places were kind of doing shows kind 678 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,920 of, you know, quietly saying, well, it's dinner. 679 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,440 But there's a guy talking, 'cause we weren't supposed to do 680 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,600 shows. But those have kind of shut down 681 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,880 now 'cause there's no indoor dining any anymore. 682 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,520 But there are a couple outdoor rooftop shows with little 683 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,240 heaters. I haven't done one in a few 684 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:49,760 weeks. I'm doing 1 next week. 685 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,240 So there's a couple. But I mean, you know, it's cold. 686 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:57,680 I mean, it's 25° outside. So there's a few shows here and 687 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,600 there. And then some clubs are open. 688 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,720 Like some people like you listen to my podcast, like Mark Norman, 689 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:05,840 he's, he's been working, he does gigs. 690 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,080 I think they're, you know, half capacity, some of these clubs 691 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,080 and as I'm sure you guys are aware, like there's a lot of 692 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,200 parts of this country that just don't give a shit about COVID or 693 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,240 don't believe in COVID so. Yeah, yeah. 694 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:22,680 I don't know anything about Arizona, but it seems to me like 695 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,840 they're not stopping anything. Yeah, exactly. 696 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,680 They're I think that's where Mark is, ironically. 697 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,800 But yeah, so some people are working during the summer. 698 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,400 It was nice because there was outdoor gigs everywhere and it 699 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,000 was obviously warm and nice out. So there was a lot of shows 700 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,720 during that. But right now, if you want to 701 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:46,360 work, you can work, but it's half capacity. 702 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,160 People have to wear masks and there's a lot of protocols. 703 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,240 So I've been taking this time to just not do it like I, I was 704 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,960 doing, like you said, so many shows a night on the road and 705 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,360 working for 20 years. So right now I'm like, I'm just 706 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,640 kind of enjoying being a podcaster and trying to kind of 707 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,360 embrace the break. And, and my thought is it will 708 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,160 go back to normal or normal issue where we can go on the 709 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,000 road and work every night and every weekend. 710 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,880 But hopefully, knock on wood, we're never going to go back to 711 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,400 a period like this where it's like, hey, please don't work. 712 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,920 So if I can feel like I'm doing service to society by not 713 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,040 working while also kind of taking a break, I'm like, great, 714 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,040 this is perfect. And I don't know about you, but 715 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,480 it was obviously we can't gig as much, as much as somewhere like 716 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,840 New York, but you know, you gig as much as possible and kind of 717 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,520 do this full time. And it's, it's the first time in 718 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,360 what, 13 years that I've not done stand up regularly. 719 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,600 So it was the first time I'd ever really had a chance to kind 720 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,120 of sit down and look at my ACT a little bit and analyse it a bit 721 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,320 more because you can't seem just on the go trying to get new 722 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,440 material, that kind of thing. And this was the first time 723 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,480 where I was, I was able to take a step back from it. 724 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,320 And the shows, like you say, we have that thing where like, 725 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,560 yeah, if there was food on, you got to do a show. 726 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,120 I had a nice little run for about a week or two when that 727 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,440 was allowed. And I think they were some of 728 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,840 like the best shows because for the first time, I was able to 729 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,720 just just tweak a couple of things. 730 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,480 And, you know, it was the novelty of getting to do stand 731 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,160 up again. The adrenaline was at that good 732 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,120 level where it's like, I've missed doing this, but I'm so 733 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,040 happy to be doing it. So do you think that this will 734 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,640 have, for better or worse, in any way, changed you as a as a 735 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,280 comedian? I think that there's definitely 736 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,880 a lot of things that have happened during this that I want 737 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:40,600 to take into, back into stand up when we start again. 738 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:45,080 Because I kind of had that thought of like I never took 739 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,240 more than like 7 days off in a row in 20 years. 740 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,840 And that was only maybe once a year, once every every once in a 741 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,000 while. And like I'd be like, I'll take 742 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,320 tonight, I'm taking Monday off and then I'm back. 743 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,560 I got to do three sets Tuesday to make up for Monday. 744 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:02,520 And now it's like a little more, I realise like you could take 745 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,440 several nights off and, and be fine. 746 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,000 So I definitely, and there's a lot of shows I would do at 1:00 747 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,480 in the morning. I have a set at 1:15 AM at the 748 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,400 Comedy Cellar and I'm like, I don't want to be out till 2:00 749 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,360 in the morning anymore, which I felt that way before this 750 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,360 shutdown, but I was too afraid to kind of say that 'cause I was 751 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:28,480 afraid of losing whatever. So there's definitely a lot that 752 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,920 that's, that's helped me that I want to take with me moving 753 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,600 forward of like time off and time away from stand up. 754 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,640 But I I also at the same time I do, I do miss it and I love 755 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,040 podcasting and making videos or doing whatever other ways to be 756 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,680 creative. But there really is nothing that 757 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,160 compares to the feeling of like finishing a set. 758 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,200 And especially when it goes well, even if it goes bad, I 759 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,880 still feel great after doing stand up. 760 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,520 So I definitely miss that. And then doing like a meet and 761 00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,120 greet after the show where it's such a unique opportunity to 762 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,760 live a life where like. You can stand at the bar and 763 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,800 have like 50 people, be like, you're great, that was great. 764 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,600 You know what I mean? There's not that many jobs like 765 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,080 that. So I definitely miss that a lot. 766 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,920 But yeah, I think, I think definitely taking it easy, but 767 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,000 working and finding the balance is something I want to do moving 768 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,560 forward. And something I ask everyone 769 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,400 has, has this kind of period of, of reflection and not being able 770 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,560 to do as much as you did. Has it made you like realise any 771 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,760 like ambitions that relying under the surface of like a 772 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,240 project you'd really love to do, even if it's something totally 773 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:38,880 different to, to the sort of thing you normally would like? 774 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,960 Is there something you'd like to write or I, I don't know. 775 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,760 I I feel like everyone has one project that's kind of come out 776 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,240 of them a little bit more. Yeah, definitely. 777 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:52,040 So it's, it's hard. I get mad at myself because I 778 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,760 started writing a script when this happened and I got really 779 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,160 well into it, like 100 pages in or some not 100 pages. 780 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,680 That was like 85 pages in and I had a couple of people read it 781 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,600 and they were really into it and then they gave me notes and then 782 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,560 it just felt so daunting to finish and I put it aside and 783 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,080 haven't finished it. So right now I'm in that mode of 784 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,080 like hating myself for not finishing it. 785 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,800 But that's something. And I definitely have been, you 786 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,880 know, shooting some more videos and, and, and a couple sketches 787 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,000 and trying to do something like that. 788 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,760 And I've been trying to learn guitar, which is something I 789 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,400 always wanted to do and never felt like I could do. 790 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,520 But so I've been kind of fucking around on the guitar a little 791 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,320 bit and trying to do some more video stuff. 792 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,600 And I was always really into photography too. 793 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,840 And, and, and next week I'm meeting up with a friend of 794 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:36,960 mine. He's a photographer to have him 795 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,160 show me a few things on a camera. 796 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,680 So I'm like, you know, I'm trying to find other ways to be 797 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,640 sort of artistic. And I've been reading a lot, 798 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,320 which has been nice. You know, rate like I, I always 799 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,840 think that I am a reader in general, but really when it 800 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,040 comes down to it, I don't think I've read a book apart from 801 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,240 being on holidays and maybe like 6-7 years. 802 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,160 I'm not really, that makes me feel uncomfortable. 803 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,720 I'm like, I've got to read something. 804 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,280 So I think I'm going. I mean, there was a period where 805 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,960 I was big, big Harry Potter guy and then I just, I dropped off 806 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,360 when the really big one came out. 807 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,920 I don't know if you're in the Harry Potter, but when I think 808 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,480 it was Order of the Phoenix came out, a lot of people like me 809 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,120 just dropped out. We were like, I can't commit to 810 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,080 a book this size. So I think my challenge is going 811 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,160 to be get back into that. Yeah, let's you read and I'll 812 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,960 learn guitar and then we'll reconvene. 813 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:30,880 I'll play a song while you read. Pug I mean, do you feel like I 814 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,920 think podcasting more than I thought would fills the void a 815 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,000 little bit more. You know what, you know, 816 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,840 speaking to other comedians and obviously podcast is a good way 817 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,600 to you're not like trying material, but if you have a 818 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,720 thought during the podcast and you're like, oh, that could be a 819 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:50,880 little bit of material. I think podcasting has become it 820 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,880 was obviously so big beforehand, but I think to to comedians, 821 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,760 it's such an important, such an important outlet. 822 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,240 And have you noticed that like your podcast and you think you 823 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:05,640 there, there's been like a big jump up since this since 824 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,840 lockdown started? Yeah, I think so. 825 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,440 It's definitely grown well also during pandemic, I do a podcast 826 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,440 with Mark Norman. Like we've both released 827 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:19,400 specials that did really well and Mark has gone and done Rogan 828 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,040 and and I did Marin. So like we've both been doing a 829 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,760 lot of stuff to kind of to push it. 830 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,840 So it, it's definitely grown during that during this time for 831 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,560 sure. And it is, it is really fun. 832 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,480 But I I just beat myself up where I'm like, you know, in my 833 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,120 mind I'm like, all right, I'm still creating. 834 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,880 But I'm like, you're a podcaster. 835 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,040 You never wanted to be a podcaster, you piece of shit. 836 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,160 What is this you're just talking about, you know, whatever. 837 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,880 So a lot of it that is just self hatred, self doubt and all that 838 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,600 stuff. Like you're a fraud. 839 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,560 We we all have that a little bit to some degree I think, yeah. 840 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,280 Yeah, I think it's just it's a great thing to keep keep going 841 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,200 with. And whenever you were, whenever 842 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,080 you guys were still doing show and Mark, you said it's still 843 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,080 doing shows and he's coming on this podcast the next couple of 844 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,120 weeks too. But you know, whenever you were 845 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,840 doing the outdoor shows and that kind of thing that was appeared 846 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,320 where nothing was happening here. 847 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,800 So it was so great. As a comedian, listen to that 848 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,520 because I'm kind of able to take some enjoyment in hearing about 849 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,200 you guys gigs and the other comedy podcasts I listen to. 850 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,880 It's just really interesting to hear that like something is 851 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,040 something is happening, but I, I mean, I don't know. 852 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,160 I, it's made me want to travel with, stand up a lot more and go 853 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,600 to places that I, that I, that I've never been to. 854 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,120 Have you ever done Australia? No, it's funny you bring that 855 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,600 up. I was supposed to be in 856 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,240 Australia like 2 weeks after we shut down. 857 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:50,040 I think I was going there April 7th through the 15th or 858 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,080 something like that. I was doing the Melbourne Comedy 859 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,520 Festival which took me like years to book. 860 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,160 They got the Woman Saw me and I performed for her and then they 861 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,000 were like, well, we're we're booked this year and all this 862 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,400 stuff. And it was this long process and 863 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,120 I was so thrilled to finally make it happen. 864 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,240 And I was like 10 days away from or whatever it was maybe 2 weeks 865 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:11,760 away from going when everything shut down. 866 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,880 So hopefully I can re redo that. But no, I've never I've never 867 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,280 been over there. But that's what I miss a lot is 868 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:25,120 especially going to the UK and to Ireland. 869 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,600 I've gotten to do Paris and Israel like going. 870 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,760 Being able to travel from me to other countries to perform has 871 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,720 been like a thrill and I definitely miss that. 872 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,440 When you performed in Paris, did you by any chance to to digging 873 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,280 for a guy called Sebastian Guy run it runs a gig in like a 874 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,840 loft. Yeah, yeah, I. 875 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,440 Knew you were comedy night. Yeah, I did. 876 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,800 Well, I opened for Louis CK there a couple times, but the 877 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,080 most recent 1A Guy Sebastian I think. 878 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,080 Was yeah, glasses I'm. Pretty sure, yeah, yeah. 879 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,520 Yeah, yeah, from that gig. That's a, that's a real fun gig 880 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,960 because it's nice he gets a little bit of a crowd in and you 881 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,720 just think like I'm this is in Paris. 882 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,160 Yeah, yeah. Something just so incredible 883 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,400 about that. Yeah, no, it's it's great. 884 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,320 I mean, for me too, it's like anytime comedy brings me to like 885 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,960 these really cool places, I'm like, it gives you that feeling 886 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,960 of like, this is insane. This is amazing. 887 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,680 Yeah, yeah. I thought the last time I did 888 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,960 that Paris gig for him, I build it as like, you know, it's part 889 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,080 of the tour, but it like it obviously was not like a tour 890 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,160 show, but it was just so I could say it's an international tour 891 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,040 and at the end of the show, like the show got, it was really 892 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,760 nice. I bought a friend over reopened 893 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:41,520 and we had a nice time. We went to see Dunkirk earlier 894 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,040 in the day, which was a terrible idea because it's obviously such 895 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,160 a bleak film. And we just felt bad that we, we 896 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,360 couldn't help, you know, we couldn't help the guys get off 897 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,640 Dunkirk beach in any way. And, and then we did that gig 898 00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:56,160 and it wasn't until like a couple of weeks later where I 899 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,000 was like, this is great. But at the gig I said at the 900 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,760 end, I was like, so like, who's from home? 901 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,600 You know, there's just like a guy, just a guy. 902 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,680 And he was the one that didn't really enjoy it. 903 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,320 You know, you know, sometimes I, I focus in on the one person 904 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,160 who's like indifferent or really not into it. 905 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,400 She was the only, the only guy who intentionally came to see 906 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,560 it. That's. 907 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,360 Classic. Yeah, it's my dad, but it's just 908 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,800 that, yeah, it's just a good time. 909 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,440 And it's so, I mean, I know you can go to so many different 910 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,640 States and cities, but I don't think people like me take 911 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,680 advantage of how easy it is for us to go to different cities in 912 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,440 Europe. You know, you're talking like a 913 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,360 couple. By the time it takes you to get 914 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,080 to maybe another state, we can be in totally different country. 915 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,840 Yeah, that's what's always been fascinating to me about Europe, 916 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,680 because Europe is like, it's like the United States to me. 917 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:57,280 Like you can you go from Paris to whatever, you know, Frankfurt 918 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,560 or, or, or, you know, Milan or whatever, It's like the same 919 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,680 distance to Michigan here. You know, it's strange. 920 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,040 And then we thought it was going to be because of Brexit, we 921 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,640 thought it was going to be really difficult. 922 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,440 But then like, I've always had an Irish passport, so it means 923 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,960 you can travel on an EU passport. 924 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,400 So it shouldn't get more difficult. 925 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,040 But yeah, it's one of those things where once lockdown 926 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,560 happened, I was like, I was just about to do all these things, 927 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,280 but I probably wouldn't have, you know, a lot of things I was 928 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,960 like, I'll do that down the line. 929 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,480 But now I want to make sure that I really do do these things, 930 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,080 starting with the Order of the Phoenix. 931 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,200 Yeah. No, it's definitely, it 932 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,960 definitely gives you a lot of perspective of like, OK, this is 933 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,120 more important than that. Let me try to get this done. 934 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,320 Yeah, I'm sure. And having other things going 935 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,920 on, like not spending so much time gigging and taking a little 936 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,960 bit of time off here or there, that's where the expert for me, 937 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,320 That's where the material comes from. 938 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,080 You know, that's where you witness things that you wouldn't 939 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,280 if you were waiting to go on at a comedy club or hanging out in 940 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,160 the same place. Yeah, completely. 941 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,200 You have to live some life or otherwise all your bits are just 942 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,440 going to be. Isn't it crazy when the waitress 943 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,960 spills a drink, folks? Just over there? 944 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you do have to go live some life for sure. 945 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,080 Yeah, Joe, I really appreciate you. 946 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,280 You doing the podcast. You mentioned, you know, having 947 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,280 a special out. The great thing is you've got a 948 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,440 special on YouTube, which is brilliant because people can 949 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,800 just go and see it. Same with Mark and guys like 950 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,600 Sam, Sam Morill, Sam Morill or Sam Morill. 951 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,440 I say Sam Morrill. I think he says Morrill, but 952 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,040 people say moral and it's it's fine, but I think it's, I've 953 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,280 been saying Sam Morrill and I'm one of his closest friends, so. 954 00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:40,560 I think. It's Morrill. 955 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,600 But the real thing is so many people just put are putting 956 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,520 stuff on YouTube, you know, and it's and you can go find it. 957 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,000 You can go see it. But that special is great. 958 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,200 We'll we'll put it in the the description of this episode and 959 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,200 you'll enjoy the analytics of 5 views from from Northern Ireland 960 00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,520 on that. You're welcome. 961 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,440 I'll take it. Yeah, I appreciate it. 962 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,520 Joe, thank you so much. I really appreciate your time. 963 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,880 You know, fantastic podcast and yeah, cheers for taking the 964 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,440 time. Yeah, thank you, Shane. 965 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,440 I appreciate it was really fun.