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similar episodes of the public ones, but sometimes we mix it up
with a big sexy spoon and that's what we do in this episode.
My guest is Chris Crooks. Chris has just launched quite
recently a whiskey. He is made by hand, a whiskey.
It's called Dragon Claw. And this isn't like an ad.
I didn't bring him on. He's not paying me to come on
recently. Recently some people did ask to
come on the podcast and and it was they were offering money and
I said, no. So there you go.
That's a real dance region because he's like, we could do
without money. Then you kind of do know, but I
just forgot to say. But the podcast thing, I just
said, listen, that's not what we're all about.
But it was a good bit of money, but it would have been like very
corporate. But that's not what Chris says.
And I can promise you this isn't an odd.
I just basically was driving through Hollywood High Street
one day, saw a guy driving like a Mustang and he had a big long
beard and sunglasses on and loads of rings on his fingers.
And I was like, I don't know what that guy does, but he needs
to come on the podcast. He's launched Dragon Claw
Whiskey. So I'm basically someone who
doesn't know anything about whiskey and I'm trying to find
out a little bit more about it and I'm asking someone who's
made their own whiskey, how do you do it?
Why have you done it and what are you trying to do with it?
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It was really good. I think Chris will hopefully
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Let's talk whiskey. Welcome to the podcast,
everyone. It's another episode of the Tea
with Me podcast. And look, this is a tea based
podcast, but there's definitely room for other drinks.
OK. And that's what we're doing
today. My guest is Chris Crooks, who's
the man behind Dragon Claw Whiskey.
I don't know anything about whiskey.
I've tried it once and me and Mike can really quickly tell
that story. Dan over here, big whiskey fan,
loves it, Absolutely loves it. And Christian from the podcast
appreciate it well. Listen, thanks for having me
along. It's sort of quite excited and
somewhat nervous at the same time.
I think if you're, you know, I like to think of Hollywood is
like my time, like I, it is my time.
I like to I think I know what's happening.
And a few weeks ago, whenever it was, I just heard this sound
driving through the streets. I was like, well, that really,
that's really pricked my ears. And then I just, I heard it
getting closer and just see this Mustang cruising through the
town and, you know, Hollywood's just full of like, you know,
Range Rovers and the same kind of car over and over again.
I just see this guy with a beard and a Mustang sunglasses on
driving through the town. I was like, if you don't think
I'm, I'm not going to ask you to come on the podcast.
You're crazy. Like it has to I didn't even
know even if you like, we're talking about whiskey, even if
you didn't have a whiskey, I probably even if you just like
worked on admin, I probably just ask you the podcast.
I was like, I like that style. I like everything about that
the. Other house, I mean, I'm not
Incognito, that's for sure. A lot of I sort of take it for
granted because it's not like a conscious effort to, you know,
to look. Yeah, no, of course, mental.
Essentially because they get it's not typical, but it's my
wife who's so rather be conservative and you know,
thankfully her celebrity crush was Dog the Bounty Hunter.
So I mean like really wrong, you know what I mean?
Mine was dog's wife for about three seasons.
Start. Not so much.
Yeah, yeah. You got to go back to those for
archives to sort of find her at her best.
Yeah, no, no disrespect to dog, my brother and his family, but
towards the last few seasons, I didn't know which was which, him
and his wife. I didn't know who was who, but.
But yeah, I like the fact that I like the idea.
Like, yeah, I think you're totally right that like, you
know, this is just you and like, you're not trying to do anything
different. But I like to think in my head
that you just had like, no beer, but you had to wait until that
grew before you could launch a whiskey.
You're like just a couple of years.
I'm going to bring this whiskey out.
This is it's, it's funny because, you know, everybody
says I did this before it was cool, but I have a beard
because, you know, I'm not blessed with a very strong chin,
right? So I mean, when I was 15, it was
like, grow a beard. And it actually was really
annoying having a beard then. Yeah, I'd be.
I'd be so fucked if I had a bad chin.
I'd be so fucked because I can't grow a beard 32.
It's it's just, yeah. So I don't know, whenever you
used to go out, people used to pull it.
Yeah, no, it's pretty normal. No, it's normal.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah. It is funny, I had a really long
beard like this whenever I was younger, starting tattooing and
somewhere when I had kids, probably when I moved to
Hollywood, sort of felt like going to parent teacher meetings
in Hollywood primary. I should probably, you know, not
look mental. I want to go down.
So I was like sort of shaved the beard up and, you know, it was a
wee bit more conservative and then.
Jumper over the shoulders. Yeah, yeah, We think Ralph
Lauren one over the shoulder. And so then I just gave up a
lot, you know? Yeah, yeah.
And once people get to know you and think, oh, he's actually
dead on. He's not, you know, Yeah, Like
crazy person. Yeah.
And revert it back to this.
Weirdly, I do whiskey. And like you said, it looks like
it was a conscious decision to look at the party, but it's
purely coincidental. Yeah, I want to talk.
You mentioned tattoo and I want to talk to you about that as
well. I have a tattoo.
There's quite a story behind it. So yeah, we need to talk about
that. Yeah.
Don't be afraid to just yeah, we've got it there.
Love that. Love that dance.
A little bit of a dictator. He's just like, let's get I'm.
Loaded by default, keeping it far away.
Yeah, I mean, you know, we'll talk about whiskey, we'll talk
about tattoos. I'll tell you my you've, you've
started a whiskey, like you've launched a whiskey.
And that that's what I want to talk about because whiskey is
such a big phenomenon. And I feel it's like almost like
whiskey is is a club. And like if you're not part of
it, it's almost like you're, you know, like looking over the like
when your neighbours have a BBQ. Yeah, you're trying to like
speak to people that are at the BBQ, trying to get a little bit
of some for yourself. But I think my experience with
whiskey was I've drunk whiskey once at Mike's house whenever we
were talked about the podcast before we were about 16.
And his mom had a bottle of do you remember what it was?
Bushmills. Bushmills.
And it was like a thin bottle, like a thin quarter bottle of
Bushmills. And, you know, we were like kids
at the time, really. And I said give me, let me see.
But I, I don't know what you what your experience of this
story. I can't remember it.
That's the point. Sitting on top of my mum's
fridge. We'd had a couple already.
You thought that you were belly big balls, necked the entire
quarter ball in one go and just became horizontal immediately.
You just fell, fell straight. And that was.
Your with whiskey sort of over. There, Yeah.
I just can't. It's like a mental block now and
like show me like more of my mates.
The nod love whiskey, like they talk about whiskey a lot.
I think they have a separate WhatsApp group to talk about
whiskey. They like to go to whiskey
nights and it feels like it's really blown up in like the last
3-4 years, but is that wrong during?
This No, I think it has weirdly, when you said about like
whiskey's a club and if you're not and you're feeling you're
outside, despite the fact that I have a whiskey brand, I am
actually not, you know, involved with a local scene at all.
I'm just one of those people that, you know, see something
and thinks I wonder, can I, can I do that?
Yeah, yeah. And.
Then just goes and finds out how to do it.
Yeah. And it's sort of, you know,
naively and ignorantly, just not really, you know, knowing what's
going on in the sort of industry as such.
And so, like, I can totally understand that.
And it is because of that if you feel like it is something like a
barrier you have to breakthrough.
And people do sort of separate themselves.
I personally believe whether it's whiskey or it's anything,
you know, you do it to the extent that you appreciate it.
Doesn't matter where it's sport or what anything at all.
Yeah. And as long as you're enjoying
it, it's really doesn't matter. Maybe as things?
Yeah, it does feel like one of those things for like people
will like tell you how you have to enjoy.
Oh yeah, yeah. And that sort of thing.
So is that what you want to not do you want to just be.
I enjoy it whatever way you want.
Yeah, I want to do. And it's sort of made to my
detriment. It's caused more issues with the
intricacies of whiskey, right? Because I was just blindly doing
it. Yeah.
And as you can imagine. Were you just like at the store?
Were you just like knocking on about yourself and like trial
and error is? Probably where I should have
like it's just me. There's a one man band does
everything for I probably I'm at that point in the business where
I should probably get a solicitor.
Yeah, I'm going to use the word allegedly a lot.
Allegedly, I was doing that, you know, for the crack, ignorantly,
unknowingly, that you're not really meant to be doing that in
the Hollywood. Why?
Say what? What?
Do you mean you're not allowed to?
Make you're not allowed to make alcohol yourself, not spirit
beer. I think you're allowed to make
beer, but not not spirit. It's completely, it's completely
allegedly illegally. Am I stupid for not knowing?
No, no, no, no. Listen, I see, Your honour, this
is he didn't know either. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm just thinking about a signature.
Vogue. Yeah.
So you're not allowed to. And it's all to do with Judy.
So if it's because there's so much tax on it, yeah, you know,
it's the same. I think it's the same reason why
you can't use red diesel in your car.
Well, it's tax different. I said here, what else do you
know? Tell me all your ways.
Is it one of? Is it one of those things where
they're like the government, like, well, we're not making
money off this? Yes.
Right, Right. Right.
Yeah. But then yeah, like, it's
probably right though, for who cares what rule?
It's probably right for you to allegedly test off yourself,
make it yourself. Yes, of course.
Me. But there are people like myself
who shouldn't be allowed to make things like that and give it to
people. Like I would fuck that up very
badly. But you were.
So you were potentially just making stuff yourself at the
start from where? Like a garage or something?
Yeah, yeah, class just buying green and stuff and you know why
not I I mean the social main nature to want to know the
process of things Yeah actually, not really for monetary value or
really funny like even marijuana.
You know, one time I thought I'm going to grow a marijuana plant.
See if that can be done you. Definitely need to solicit.
Yeah, but you're like, I'm allegedly one of the biggest
dealers. So the way I think of it is if
it's, if you've seen a police officer and walked and he goes,
you know, I, I shoplifted 10 years ago, I don't think he's
going to arrest you. You've admitted to so much.
I've never shoplifted. I have.
I have boundaries. Feel like you did and I feel
like it was 10 I. Just realised about how many
people I cannot tell. I did this forecast tonight.
But mainly. The the the whiskey thing it is.
And so even though I've got a brand, I'm very narrow on my
appreciation for whiskeys. What I like is what I like, and
that's exactly what I'm into. I do, you know, through
necessity and wanting to broaden my tastes of, you know, other
things, you know, try different sort of brands, which I have
stuff here I'm not. You can have we try out.
But the process is the age-old, like super, you know, it's
probably one of the oldest processes.
You know, I don't know who decided to try this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, they'll just get this
grain somehow make alcohol. Imagine the first drunk person.
Like what? How's that?
It must have been an accident, but somehow it's now a stable
part of the global economy. I think when I think of, like,
whiskey and stuff, I think Prohibition, yeah, and that kind
of thing. And like how after that, like
surely when they did Prohibition, it must have made
booze like so popular. You know what I mean?
Like how the opposite effect? And.
Whiskey would have been one of the main drinks, but I like the
history of whiskey and that kind of thing.
I don't know, I don't know much about it.
I don't like genuinely, it's through like my friends, like I
always what whiskey would I, I'd buy down a bottle of whiskey for
like a birthday or the end of a series or or something like
that, But I don't know. It's just, I think because the
first time I drank it, I was so young and in my head it's just
like a a mental thing. But then I was like that with
coffee and I like coffee. It was like the wine, and I like
wine girls. Girls, I think you you just have
valid taste for things, a lot of things in life and whiskey, it's
not the most palatable thing for young people to drink.
It's actually the only thing I ever did drink, and that by no
means makes me a whiskey connoisseur.
But like, so you mean like when like you're a teenager and you
start drinking whatever you. Yeah, straight on whiskey.
Oh, it did. Yeah.
And this and this is how this is actually, this is one word of
life I used. I lived in Portadown and I went
to a bar. That makes sense, to be fair, of
course. You need coping mechanism.
You need something to get you off when you're 15.
I always take a porn like you're like an holding pattern for
Hollywood. Yeah, it's like it's like prep
from even the Hollywood. But no, I went to a bar.
No, nobody in my family drank at all.
So my parents were missionaries and I had, you know, very.
I seen TV adverts and I just thought alcohol must just be
like, so amazing kids aren't allowed.
It must be the best thing ever. Yeah.
And I were going to, I think it was like Joel Max and pour it
down. I was like 16 years old when in,
I think the streets were at the time.
And I got asked for a paint of Cronenberg and it clearly was
talking about right. I just thought paint of
Cronenberg. He said, we don't have that.
And that was me. I was all out of.
And then I remember the Stella Artois adverts.
I'm like, oh, give me a paint of Stella and just taste it.
And literally just spotted it was like, this is a horrible
thing I ever taste in my life. Yeah.
And the barman laughed and you know, he said, oh, you'd like
something sweet to give me this? What age were you this?
16 right, 17 maybe Drinking illegally?
Yeah. In a bar.
Again. You get the vibe here, don't
you? So he gave me a drink.
It says, oh, if you like something sweet, try that.
I taste it like, oh, that's phenomenal.
That's the best thing I've ever tasted in my life because you
can't drink. That's just like a girl's drink.
It's Malibu and like, well that's Big 5.
I drink Malibu like did on and off with whiskey.
So then I had Jack Daniels, thought this was brilliant.
There's a Friday, we're going out with mates getting a carry
out to go and hang around a park somewhere.
When in everybody's getting a bottle of breakfast.
I'm the counter. I'm like, do you have Jack
Daniels and the girl's like yeah, and shed down.
It was like book pass was like £3 Yeah and you're like
16/24/99. You're like what the right and
he had no concept of caught alcohol content or anything.
Yeah, yeah. So I've got to be small, like
you're talking 1/4 bottle and just was sitting drinking it
straight, straight. I mean, I because I didn't, you
knew you knew better. And I see whiskey as the thing
about even as an adult, if you're trying the first time you
taste it doesn't you're going to be you're going to notice the
presence of alcohol. But it's only after that that
you start to really like pick out the different notes and
different characteristics of each whiskey.
I mean, I wasn't thinking like that when I was 16. 16 Oh I.
Was just steaming. That was just panned out and
since then I just drank whiskey and then if you go to houses it
is normal and it's a bit of a pain because I don't drink beer.
I think I've had like 3-4 beers in my whole life.
Only tried Guinness for the first time last February.
Thought in the Guinness factory it was cool.
Yeah, I mean they do the whole week.
You'll be small when you breathe in.
I thought it was cool. I tried one in the Golf Club
like the following weekend and it was like 2 steps something.
I can't drink the volume that comes with lager and beers.
Yeah, that that makes sense because like when you think
about pints, like do you think a measurement of a pint and if you
go and have 8 or 9 pints, like if someone told you you lost 8
or 9 pints of blood? You can have a hard one, yeah,
and eight or 9 pints of whiskey's like you're not coming
back from. That No, no, no, no.
You know, if that's gone, that's over.
Yeah, life's over, but that's the worst.
Tag like that's right, silver, life's over.
Yeah, so, so making it was sort of my memory of whiskey.
And this is where you probably, I think everybody can sort of
agree is when you grow into someone's house and you have a
drink you like. If somebody offered me a beer, I
don't want a beer. I'm like, no, I don't drink
beer, sorry. I drink whiskey.
And then always your reaction was, oh, I think we have a
bottle of whiskey somewhere like one of the suppliers that.
It's always got to be. Yeah, At that point I'm like, Oh
no, this is what are they going to present?
And I've been over the years presented with like
predominantly Scotch, heavily peated, very medicinal whiskeys
that are just not my taste at all because I only really drink
bourbon. So making whiskey, I was just
trying to make a bourbon. You're trying to make something
you would like. Yesterday I would like yes very
much more sweeter tones to it and notes on made a bourbon was
moonshine making allegedly making moonshine.
How long was our process though from like experiment, whether
there's something like to do to really?
I'm a real like shitter get off the pock guy I know. 2022 years,
22 years studying green and, you know, agriculture and
distillation. It's been a it's been a long
slog these times. Yeah, True.
Oh yeah. No, it hasn't been two weeks,
but it's it's, I think the best thing is in life just be happens
so organically. I'm I'm the.
Best with an. Impatient guy in the world like
these two know like I'm the most impatient guy in the world.
So if I started something like that, it would have to be a
short time scale before we we got it right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I, I made beer beer with
friends years ago and and you know, we got all the kit to make
it and fermented it all. I don't do from a beer.
Did we? Yeah, yeah.
Did all that stuff, bought bottles for me, labels and it
was great. But when we were making it, I
was like, are we drinking it tonight?
And they're like, no, it's going to be a while.
So I struggle for things like that.
That's. Actually a pretty much very
similar to Megan Whiskey. This, you know, and that sort
of, you know, it's a distillation that really
separates the two and that's where you're getting you're
taking the alcohol out and really really just, you know,
just don't want to get really, really high ABV.
But the process is sort of the same for all alcohol.
It's just sugar, sugar and fermentation.
And so you did the sort of same and that's how you actually I
started doing it was like, if you like beer, well, let's make
our own. Well, let's get bottles, let's
stick labels on it. Look cool.
And then you sort of like you feel proud you put in the shelf
and go out. That's really cool.
And then a sort of, they really enjoyed the creative side of it
and then just sort of went with it.
But I'm sure a lot of people in the industry think who like
would think where, who is this guy?
Where has he came? From yeah, is there like, is
there like an industry here, like a local whiskey industry?
Like I can picture these guys, you know, in my head, they like
look a certain way. Like I think there's like some
sort of group that meet and I think they like they would sit
in a tight circle and they're talking about me.
There's not much room to get through.
Yeah. Oh, no, definitely.
It's there. Whiskey is sort of, I think it's
a bit like the Emperor's New Clothes that, you know, everyone
is just, they've read enough and they're disregarded what they've
read. And I really sometimes question
how much people really engage with the spirit as someone who
is involved at every different level with it.
I have. I see it from different angles.
You know, I sit down and enjoy whiskey.
I can't really enjoy it impartially sometimes because
it's more to it than just what's in the glass.
But whiskey's, there's no doubt about it.
There is like a disproportionate amount of assholes in whiskey
than there is an enormous society.
Yeah. Do you know what I mean?
I just got a list of people who I can.
This can never be, you know, it's not like that.
He's going to see this. This is a private conversation.
Yeah, yeah, of course, of course it's a.
Private, but there is a local scene and you know, I think you
have to respect everyone that's came before you and anything but
the minute this detriment to your home progression, yeah,
it's sort of like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, so I will just, you know, get on with it.
And people are ended, are ended. People aren't.
Maybe you know aren't. But they'll come.
They'll come around. Did it start off as like, like
I'm always into anyone that launches a product starts doing
a new thing? Did they start off as I'm just
going to do this as like a hobby or something I enjoy, or from
the outside where you're like, no, I'm going to make a whiskey,
I'm going to get it at the shops and I'm going to start selling
it. Purely a hobby right?
Probably social media had a had a part to play on that because I
was sharing stuff. This is a shoe which I can under
was I was sharing the process on Instagram on my tattoo page,
which is sort of a quite a big follow on.
And people started messaging me saying, oh, I'd love to buy your
whiskey, right, because people don't really read, but like they
look at stuff on social media and the fill in the blanks.
Yeah, yeah, when oh, he's making whiskey, he's got.
And so I thought, OK, this is this actually people want to buy
this. And then I started looking at it
and that's when it was basically 10 crap.
Not only can I not sell this, I shouldn't even be making.
This right, right. Right.
So allegedly and then I decided to go in and proof distilleries
and and work together with distilleries to make it like a
legitimate prop product that could be marketed.
And the marketing side is is absolutely, it's so fun because
it's maybe. Brilliant.
Thank you. It comes from zero.
It's just. Doesn't look forced at all, it
just looks really, really good. Look, no, that's cool.
Thank you. But yeah, I mean, if you if you
know, you said you shouldn't have done it, like if you did
end up in gaol and then people were like, why you in and you
say moonshine, that's maybe the coolest reason you could ever go
to gaol. I'm screwed if I go to gaol.
And no, not literally. I probably won't be screwed
because I've got 2 very, very good skill sets that are really,
really popular in gaol. I can do tattoos and I can make
alcohol all right. I mean like I'll be wrong.
Something else? I don't know if I'm skilled in
those particular areas, too much facial hair for that.
I mean, you say if I'd be as good as you went to gaol if I
went. Yeah, different.
You'd be like, go beer. No, I, I just have to, I go the
other way. I would let on.
I was a lot more mental and I was so I'd walk.
You know, when someone's just supremely confident and you're
like, there's something, I just walk straight in.
Put 50P down the pool table and just stand yeah?
Just stand. People.
And then when it came my turn, I wouldn't play.
Yeah, just call their bluff. Yeah, let's, let's hope that's.
No. I I mean, obviously whenever I
think that scenario, a little bit of sweat trickles out in my
back. Yeah.
Because, you know, yeah, I don't think I'm ready.
It was a swore a of if that's the great word for it of, you
know, you know, doing this and enjoying it and making it.
And ironically, probably because the equipment they had wasn't
that good. I never really got the ABV up to
a point where I think it would be even classified as a spirit,
right. So that's my get out of gaol
free card. It looked the part.
It's like somebody who thinks they're going weed and actually
they're going tomato plants and they're freaking out, hiding
them, and then one day a tomato pops up.
They're like. I looked at.
That time there was me thinking I was growing marijuana.
Frigging tomato. I looked like the sort of guy
that would definitely buy what I thought was marijuana and a big
tomato, and I would smoke it and be spaced out.
No, maybe. Really.
That's tomato. Yeah.
I was that guy in school, you know, Oxo Cube.
I'm stoned here, you know. Yeah.
I mean, I've never heard of that, but I can, I can fill in
the I can figure out what the Oxo cube was sort of, you know,
emulating so you don't drink whiskey or.
No, no, I'm like with booze. I kind of.
I've always enjoyed beer. No, there was nothing.
I was. I like Guinness, love Guinness.
I was on antibiotics for about 10 days there because I recently
got circumcised. That obviously won't chat you
with Doug. Yeah, no problem, I'm an open
book. Literally a lot more open now.
First few chapters were missing, but but yeah, so I, I, so I, I,
I'm not really a drinker. Like I'd nearly same people, but
then I'm not because I do have the odd drinks.
OK. I'm not the total.
But what I mean is if you said how many times, you know, say
you're doing a questionnaire, how many times a week do you
drink? I've been like, none really.
Yeah, it's only the odd occasion.
And I used to like Guinness would be my drink, but then I've
had two or three. Then I don't really want
Guinness anymore. Like gin for a while.
Big fan of gin and lemonade with loads ice.
Yeah, like that and but there's just nothing that I'm like I
take a cup of tea or like a glass of water over over more
stuff. Yeah, I just the if I'm away on
holiday or. Mention.
That's obviously a much better life choice.
Yeah, I just don't. But what I'm saying is the 10
days was on antibiotics when they in not ten days, the doctor
goes, listen, you've been circumcised, you take these
antibiotics, you go all antibiotics.
Doctors say you can't drink on these, but most of them you kind
that it won't do any harm. He's like these ones don't drink
on these 100% don't drink on these.
But those 10 days I wanted a drink every every day.
I was like, I would love a drink just because I couldn't, so I
had. A prohibition, essentially.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I had a Guinness couple of
days ago and it was, it was great.
So I've never, I've just not, I've never really found a drink
where I'm like, I specifically want that drink.
I like it when you're in the right environment and you want
to have a pint or whatever, but yeah, whiskey's just.
I've always felt too young for it even though I've so many
mates younger than me as well but love it.
I think whiskey could be that drink.
I mean, I mean, it's quite likely.
I just don't think, I don't think I'd be taken seriously
sitting with a glass I. Don't think you can be taken
seriously ever again if you're very honest because 99% of
people that are exposed, yes, it's obviously comedy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So everything we're just going
to think is this is, this actually is.
Yeah, people will be out. What's the sketch?
Yeah, we're not going to borrow no camera.
No, I like whiskey. I know.
But I know what? What?
What did you want to ask me about circumcision?
Because, I mean, that's my. Yeah.
So it's it's funny and obviously I don't know what this is.
I was obviously watching podcast and whatnot, you two other guys
on and I came up and you're talking about you have crumbs.
Is that OK to talk about? Yeah.
Oh yeah. Yeah, so first thing, because I
knew I was bringing alcohol, I got my phone and googled like,
can you drink whiskey if you have crumbs?
And what you find a cure is it. Yeah, yeah.
I need to read out, it said, you know, it's OK to find, it's OK
to drink. You know, occasionally,
especially on birthdays, on special occasions.
Can you have seasonal crumbs? It's actually.
Why take a week off and then of? Course, I went down a rabbit
hole and then so funny and I'm going to jump the gun here like
the circumstances got none through the Crohn's.
It does. Oh, it does.
It's an inflammation thing. Because that came across that
and then I was thinking is that way.
Yeah, although once you get circumcised, so many people just
pop up that, you know, and go, yeah, I got circumcised and
you're like, I never would have known.
Yeah, you know, like quite a few people, like gods are get
circumcised. Well, I had a vasectomy last
year. I mean, I feel lightweight.
I got a vasectomy. Yeah, yeah, I got.
Tuned. I had a vasectomy before the
circumcision as a warm up and then got it reversed just that
like, you know, Galva practical. I didn't.
But the circumcision, the only the only bad bit of it was the
injections the moment because I stayed awake for it.
Yeah, you know, that was the the injections were the were the
worst bit. I didn't feel anything.
Yeah, I didn't feel anything. And you know, you're conscious
of, I always say every day is a different deck day size wise.
Oh yeah. That's why there's, you know,
the myth of people who are like, yeah, my, my deck's 7 inches.
My, you know, it's specific. And it's like based on climate,
yes, mood, environment, all these things.
It can be. You never know what you're
waking up. Some morning you're like, Oh no,
some. Yeah, yeah.
So you need more to surgery? Yeah, but when you're, when
you're in a brightly lit room with like 7 nurses, a doctor and
you're, you're nervous, you just, you don't know how you're
representing yourself. And chances are like, I know it
wasn't a good day for me that way.
So that was what I was most worried about that in the
injections. The actual thing was fine.
And I can still see the stitches, but they're like
nearly gone. And it's definitely like, it's
like, you know, when you get a haircut, but you get the Barber
took too much off and you're looking at it going, this isn't
what I wanted, but this might look cool eventually.
It's like that. It grew back.
It's like I just, I had hair
like. Having your eyelid removed.
And you're like, hey, I've never felt I.
Really. Yeah.
No respite whatsoever. But then after a while you're
like, this is this is maybe better.
It's the equivalent of you going in and asking for like a couple
inches off your hair and getting A1 all over.
You're looking at it going, well, this is drastic, but this
might be a new look for me. Yeah.
I just I. Mean, I think most of the things
with circumcision, you know, you it's tidbits of from comedy
movies. Yeah.
I always think of that one in France where Joey goes for an
interview and he puts a bit of harm, like, I mean, and you
don't sit down at school and talk to you about this stuff.
They just sort of like, brush over it.
And then TV fills in the gaps and you're like, yeah, yeah.
And you sort of like, oh, that's what it is.
But weirdly my kids are the only boys in our family aren't
circumcised. Oh yeah, yeah.
Why? Well, for because my sister.
Was married to an American and they're in America, so that's.
Certainly love it their. Number thing yeah, they love it.
And then we also just married to a Nigerian and for their
circumcised. So weirdly my kids at the pool
with all their cousins are sort of like like.
They're showing also. They're showing also.
Extra purchase. Yeah, Guinness huge in Nigeria,
Huge. Yeah, this is funny that I was
chatting to a guy yesterday who works for Guinness Diageo, and
he mixes it up and it's not only huge in Nigeria, they make a
stronger version of it. Oh yeah, things like 9%.
Plus there. You go.
Yeah. The thing obviously with
structure position is if you need to get it, get it.
Don't get it just for yeah. For streamline this or.
Not yeah, it's not going to help.
I mean, I'm must actually run fast and see if I'm taking any
time off. But but look, yeah, it's just
something. I think it helped you run
extremely fast with an erection into the wind.
Yeah. Because it'll just, whereas
Zelda was like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like an open umbrella. Like run away.
Like the open umbrella into the wind.
Was it in Hollywood? You can do in Portadine, yeah.
Yeah. Well, you can do it in Portadine
and that's pretty fine. That's just the truth there, you
know? Yeah.
You never thought about kidney
though. No, no, no.
I mean, it's it's, it is literally that.
Because where do you go once you've like, you know, you've
dabbled in a bit of moonshine, making room, whiskey, you do it,
you launch it. I think the next step is.
Well, the natural progression would be then to do it do
circumcisions. Tattoos.
Training circumcisions. Actually, it was all right, open
the we surgery in Hollywood and just started doing some
precautions. Yeah.
No, it's, I mean, obviously if you have to get, you have to get
it. Yeah.
It's, I mean, I'm talking, I'm sure that was.
So yeah, like like people, people said when they heard how
much it was like money wise. So people were like oh, flip
like like you need to get that. I'm like, I'm not getting it out
of choice. Yeah, I've not got the 32.
When? Oh, what do I need to really
spice up my life for the minute? Unless foreskin.
But look, it's done. I think I'm Jewish.
How much is it? I don't know.
To get them. John, how much?
How much do you think a circumcision would cost?
Pay roughly what I paid. 2 grand.
Yeah, just over. Was it.
Yeah, it's a sort of thing like is it, is it £400?
Yeah, exactly. Grand.
I don't know. I was figuring out like the
vasectomy. I was thinking, well, it's sort.
Of I think it normally is 500. Quid and all, you're definitely
leaving. You leave it with less.
Do you get to keep a bit? I donated it to youth charity.
The raffle off for No, I think it normally costs £500.
I paid 2 grand because I do it based on size.
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, it was it was a bit of
crack whiskey. I love, I love high passion.
People I know are about it, but I don't know why.
I've never, I've never gone into.
So the last time you drank was that Bushmills incident?
Would have been would. Have been that's the last made
whiskey. Yeah, right.
Well, do you want to do you want to trace?
You don't have to drink too much of it.
I'll just do a little sip, can I?
I brought a couple of things. OK, is.
That all right. How funny would it be if you
took my foreskin out of that bag?
Yes, like this is your life. You.
Play poker. No, like, look at me that part.
Look at me. I play Jack, I play, I play
snap. You play poker.
Yeah, there's T-shirts. Oh, thanks so much.
You just need to put on loads of weird.
Wear this in the podcast. What size is it?
Medium, but you look like it could be a small.
What in the best possible way? I think that's a compliment
because I'm fat. So they said, hey, well, you
look like a small. Do you know what to say?
I'm deceptively like a bigger boy than people think and I'm
virgin on large. By the end of this year, I'll be
wearing large T-shirts. All right, OK, cool.
I never take height in the equation.
I just sort of look at people's girth.
But obviously if you're taller. Have more of them.
Yeah, it's impossible not to bring this back to penises.
Yeah. So this is, I'll tell you a wee
bit about the process of making it.
You can, if you want to open their glasses, by the way, in
the boxes. So whiskey has this is in
layman's terms. Please.
I think that's the best of. Two stages.
First of all, making the spirit, which is what this is.
Yeah, that's actually whiskey. Well, I know it's not
technically whiskey. And then what you do with that
spirit in barrels and that's the ageing process and maturation.
So when you see whiskey, it's, you know, or dark brown,
whatever. That's really the
characteristics of the wood and the oak.
So. It actually goes in like this
now it starts off with just green and in a commercial
setting you would have like large vats and you put in
different grains depend on the recipe this is made from.
Because it's bourbon, it's predominantly corn.
Most whiskeys like in Ireland or Scotland are predominantly malt.
So this is corn ray and all those things.
And you cook that up to like a porridge.
You can actually eat this and there's no alcohol at this
point. It doesn't taste as nice as
porridge. And then you strain that off and
that wash you put the add yeast to and it's always breaking
down, converting the sugars to alcohol.
You get a low beer and that's sort of similar to the what you
were done with the beer, I'm guessing.
And then that goes through the first stage of distillation and
it brings it up to like, I don't know, 10, no, probably 20% ABV.
Then it's distilled again and the pot still and it brings it
up to the 70 percent 6570. And that's your sort of what it
goes usually into the Caska. I think I could be wrong.
It could be watered down prior to the cask.
I'm not too sure. Right.
I'm, I think that's done after the fact.
That's something a little bit different.
I know this is around 65%. You can taste this like it is
mean. I should probably I'll go in
reverse, OK, you, you, you, you, you.
I'll start with the low stuff because after that you were
like, I'm out, OK? I'm having nothing more to do
with this. So I've actually brought a
couple of samples of things. These are conventional samples.
If you get into whiskey, there's loads of different clubs
worldwide you can join, get a few E samples.
And it's a good way of like tasting different whiskeys
without committing to going in and off licence, seeing the
shelf and going, where do I even start?
And I actually have here the tasting notes, the exit
commentation notes. This is how this is the you
wouldn't have this 20 years ago. No, no, maybe even 10 years ago.
And I just brought these because I'm going to leave these with
you and you can sort of try these out over time.
This one's a Japanese whiskey. You say I tried to do it
overtime. Donald, taste this.
Taste these all. Oh yeah, you.
Can pour a wee bit into that. This is a bit like a game show,
isn't it? Get my cards out.
Yeah. I mean, OK, well, a wee bit
more. That's grand.
I Do you feel like I'm on a game show here.
Did I touch this yet? Do you touch it?
Yeah. So this is is this the So take a
week. You can taste.
We take a week so. Normally, although again, it's a
psychological thing, I'll smell whiskey.
Yes, 100%. Do that, but that's not.
No, yeah, get a nose off it. Some people allowed water or
ice, That's perfectly fine. And some people be like, we
can't be doing that. Do whatever you need to do to
enjoy it. And you can tell me what do you
think is smell with that, particularly whiskey?
Childhood. The top of the fridge.
I smell fuck I feel under so much pressure to get this.
Right. Oh, you don't listen.
It wasn't like you're drunk. You can say anything.
Vanilla. Yes.
Yes, yes. Oh yeah, yeah, I would know.
More whiskeys, like one glass of the sand.
Yeah, in the, in the in the nice group.
You want me to ready me to try? Yeah, try out there.
Yeah, now you first of all, you're going to, you're going to
feel whiskey. There's no way about that.
Alcohol is going to sort of fill your mouth.
But after we second, if you sort of roll your tongue around,
you'll start to really taste some character.
Also remember it's 11:00 in the morning and it is quite an
overwhelming thing to be doing just right in the middle of the.
Day I'm driving a school bus in half an hour.
So what do you what do you think?
I thought it was going to burn a lot more but it didn't and I
think it made my mouse feel nice and warm.
Yeah, it's nice. Yeah, it's ground.
That's a really nice whiskey. Yeah, Japanese whiskey.
It's I would. I like it a lot.
It feels light. Yeah, it is.
And you can even see that in the coloration of it there.
Yeah, it is quite a, it is quite a young whiskey.
And you can actually see here the difference in the colour
there. This one's darker and this is
because this is an older bases in the cask longer, right?
And to give you an idea that's there's actually a stave off a
cask. So that's one of the things out
of the barrel and you can see it's charred on the inside.
So the char of the wood really just sort of bring out the
tannins and the cat sort of caramel lace.
Smell that It doesn't smell like.
Anything. No, it usually would.
That ones been sitting out quite a while.
Yeah, I smelled this morning. I was actually hoping to go.
You smell that? Yeah.
No, it's not like it's been landing the garage for six
months. Again, like the.
Smells like Castro G. The tomato in the marijuana, you
could have told me that smell like anything.
And I go, it does. It does.
Yeah, it could have said on that.
So then I'll let you taste this. You can take these with you and
the taste of notes and you can sort of have a wee.
Does that matter that there's a bit of that in the bottom of
this? No.
Not really, no. I love that.
Yeah, I love that. I think whiskey, like whiskey
people would be like, no, no, that's got to be Washington.
100% wash. That's got to be water to
cleanse your pal. It's got to be driven the the
the Ballymena, you know what I mean and touched by this, but.
Yeah, so poor bit. No Bermain, this is 20 by 25%
stronger. It is what they call new make or
a new spirit. You are going to taste alcohol.
You're going to die. No, and probably a bit harder
after the first one to find those flavours.
Yeah, but if you know after that initial.
If I get this right of what I think this smells like, there's
a huge victory. Yeah, I've got it.
I have. I have a gift.
Go tell you. Go cinnamon.
Well, yeah, that's the ray. So you're getting like a Spacey
that's I mean that would I would find that with Ray green, I
would get a sort of Spacey warm. Yeah, just a guy that knows his
whiskey. It's actually pretty good you
picked it up because it only crunched over 20% of the green
in that. Yeah, but it's enough just to
give that we sort of Spacey notes.
So I'm amazed that I didn't. I think part of it is with a
spirit like that, if I think about it too much, I'll drink it
and then do a big at the end. Yeah, but with that, I was going
through that. Then I didn't feel a need to.
It's not this mental that tastes warmer.
Like hotter? Oh yeah, that than the other one
because it is about 6465%. So it is that's the alcohol.
But the fact. That it's not me if we do that,
you know, at the end. Yeah, I normally thought I
would. Yeah, I think most of that is
down to people's childhood memory of whiskey, because it's
not childhood memory. But when you're younger, your
first introduction to whiskey, it's not like it's usually not a
pleasant one. It's like, either you knock a
bottle of Scotch out of your ground.
Yeah, sneaking in or whatever. I was like, well, you know,
where as you get older, you're much on a surround.
You're ready for it. You know, you're a bit more,
Your taste buds are matured. And it's usually a choice.
Like you're choosing it other than like it's the only thing in
the cupboard and you need to get steamen before you watch
somewhere. I am Steam.
And I'm fine. No, with that, no, it is, that's
a, it is for me. It's a massive learning process.
If you talk, if you see any whiskey talks, it's usually
either their market and person will talk, their distiller will
talk and it's a very, very in depth, you know, conversation
about the brand. Yeah, because like it's like
when they do like a new Apple product and you've got the main
guy from Apple, they're talking about it.
I'd be way more interested in someone that designed or made it
talking, talking me through it. Dan, you, you, do you have any
questions you want to ask? Anything?
So you said Dragon Ball is sort of based on Gordon.
Yeah, Yeah. What's the difference of bourbon
is different to like Scotch or Irish with traditional Irish
whiskies? Two things would be the green
that's used. So for bourbon, it's
predominantly corn, which is in by nature sweeter where and it's
sort of thought less of the Scotch single malts tend to be
like more sort of sought after because of the grain.
It's sweeter, but also the barrels themselves.
Bourbon use only New York and that's actually part of the
legislation in America. It's got to be New York.
So you're getting lots of those characteristics off the wood.
Irish whiskey and I think some Scotch as well.
They bring those used bourbon barrels and then they use those.
So that's why you get a lighter colour because really a lot of
that strength has been taken out of the wood.
So some people would say that bourbon isn't as complex because
it's getting like a real like a tea bag, you know, like it's,
it's too maybe just too strong. I don't get that.
I just love, I have a sweet tooth and I'm always drawn to
drinking bourbon or any American whiskey for that matter.
But there's a lot of different whiskeys, Irish whiskeys that
can be aged in old Sherry casks. And of course that's going to
make it darker and give it a really sweeter.
Right now there's so much experimental stuff going on.
You know, it's not just straight up, you know, bourbon, Irish
whiskey, Japanese Scotch, so many different brands are
experimenting with a wide range of casks and moving them around
like maybe do two years in a Sherry and then finishing the
final six months in a port or an old rum barrel.
So you're getting the water is muddied in the best possible
way. There's such a vast spectrum now
of different types of whiskeys. Now I'm only like at the tip of
the iceberg because I only drink bourbon.
I've drank bourbon for like 20 years.
That's sort of what I know. But I, you know, there's
whiskeys I taste now and they don't remind me of what I
remember Scotch being like because I was always exposed to
the same Scotch, a very sort of traditional 21 year old, like an
older Scotch, you know. But it is a rabbit hole.
And I think that's why people get into it and start clubs,
because it's not as simple. Turn up with a bottle of Jamison
and sit and drink it. You know, it is a much, it is,
it is. It's a real and long term hobby
and there's no end to it, you know?
Speaking of long term, like launching a whiskey, you know,
traditionally people be like maybe it takes this long to get
in the shops, takes this long to expand this and that.
Do you are you just sort of seeing how it goes or do you got
like a defined plan of like want to expand it in America, that
kind of thing? Yeah, I mean, definitely at the
minute with this first release, there was 248 bottles.
I think they're nearly all sold out and there went everywhere
some went. So, you know, and this is for
social media plays into this because, you know, 10 years ago
you wouldn't have known where they were going.
Now you've got people who are ordering them online.
They're in America, Australia. And that's, you know, that feels
really good that somebody in America has actually ordered a
bottle of your whiskey, especially because it is such a
new brand and it's expensive, like it's really expensive for a
first release that no one knows about.
So I think, you know, long term it's just about making more of
it and getting more exposure. I've been fortunate that I have
just relationships as a drinker in certain places where when you
tell people all I'm doing this, they're just really want to
support it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because not only is it local, but they're meeting the face of
it. You know, if you think of big,
large brands is very. You're not going to meet the guy
that actually founded it. Yeah.
And you?
Know or it's. It exactly, yeah.
And it's just me and, you know, sooner or later that'll that
will change. But I enjoy the process, you
know, just like I'm learning as it goes.
Well, I'm sure some people could watch what I've talked about
whiskey. Like I have a clue what he's
talking. About.
Yeah, but I'm not that worried. But it's like comedy.
It's like I see comedy in a way that another comedian won't, and
vice versa. Like we all have a different,
like some people are hugely into the history of comedy in and the
formula of it. I like the history of it.
I am interested a bit in formula, but I don't subscribe
to do a lot of different things, you know.
So I want to ask you just finally about tattoos as well.
So that's what you have been doing and what your your huge
Instagram page doing. Tattoos.
Tattooing is that's who I am first and foremost.
I'm a tattooist who makes whiskey and the two worlds you
would think are quite similar, but they're actually very, very
different. Whiskey's a lot more
conservative because it is a quick corporate culture tattoo
and couldn't be any further from that.
But umm, yeah. Tattooing for me is it has
helped the whiskey with having that platform and a sort of
global clan base. I thought it would have helped.
It wasn't wasn't relying on it and I thought it would have
transitioned more, but actually it didn't because just like you
know, yourself, you're saying I'm having not really that know
much of whiskey that has the same in the world over.
People are intimidated by whiskey.
So even though I thought the two were quite the go hand in hand,
you know, alcohol and tattooing, but they don't they don't
actually go hand. But as far as tattooing lockdown
like sort of knocked out in his head, Yeah.
Yeah, about 60% of my customers would fly in and at the minute
there's no international flights.
What's the where's the furthest someone's come from?
Oh, you, Fiji. Someone came from Fiji to get.
It no, I say, I only say a Fiji because not only is it far away,
it's, it's just weird. It's just very, very, very
small. There's no Fiji to Aldergrove
flight. No, there's certainly not.
No, no. But there's people that gets
South America, Argentina, Sydney.
Any well known people like anyone?
Yeah, I don't have too many celebrities because celebrities
don't really want to wait and you get emails from agents,
right? Right.
And because I only do Japanese. Japanese.
Celebrities. Yeah, Japanese celebrities,
yeah, it's very neat, super niche and it works.
Yeah, no, obviously Japanese style tattoo him.
So I don't we don't. The conversation breaks down
pretty quick. And those that I have, they
usually make you sign non disclosure agreements because
for acting and stuff, you know, I've seen them and went how how
have they not got, how can I not see what they've got right
because they are covered right. So but it's it's few and far
between. I've got one tattoo.
So yeah, what? What?
I don't look like I have
tattoos. I got one tattoo.
So me and my best mate Dave did a radio show together and we
used to have this quiz every week on it.
Just a quick fire general knowledge quiz and there was
there was more like let's have a forfeit for the loser.
And this is a this was a really Ulster Saturday afternoon show.
There was no reason to have any sort of forfeit.
And I said, right, loser loser gets a tattoo picked by the
winner. And it came down that like that
last the last episode and I lost and it was a question about
Wimbledon. It was how many because I can
hear it in slow motion. It was how many men's singles
titles has beyond Borg one. I think that's what it was.
I got it wrong because Dave's man, I love to be on boards.
I was like, fuck sake. Then it was like, OK, I've got
to get it done. Everyone said to me, you can
just get a like a hen and like just gets because we said we'd
do a video about it. Yeah, so everyone's like, don't
really do it. And I was like, no, I sort of
made a bet. Yeah, yeah.
And like my wife was, she was like, don't get a tattoo because
you lost the bed. And I was sort of seeing it from
the point of view. This will always remind me of a
funny time with my mate. We did this silly thing and I
don't think I'm going to regret it and I don't.
It was, it was a good few years ago and I don't regret it.
But he got the picket. So bear in mind, if I had a one,
I was going to make him get a portrait of my dad's face on his
arm, my dad, Dennis. I was going to make Dave get my
dad. On his arm.
But like, beautifully drawn, which makes it funny.
Yeah, yeah. Even better, yeah.
Not a sketch, yeah, yeah, detailed, drawn and people go
who is that your is that your father or no, it's my mates
that. Yeah, yeah.
So he wanted me to so I'm godfather to his daughter and
he's godfather to my son. So he said I want you to get a
tattoo and tribute to this. So he said I want you to get the
Todd father. Now I this, no, I have it.
It makes it seem like I call myself this and no one else.
I don't. So I have a tattoo, the tall
father with his daughter's date of birth in it, but I can't
really show you. It's in the back of my leg.
Do you want to say? Of course.
I don't think everybody, I mean, once you bring it up, it's sort
of would. You make it for.
Me call here where I found a few.
Yeah, it's really well done. Yeah, it's cool.
Yeah. The best camera, Jeremy,
probably those days. You've got a different Dick
there. Yeah, one of those days, so.
Yeah, I just thought. I just thought it would do it.
Yes, well, we. Have a fun time.
I sort of expected something that was, but it's really well
done. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And we've talked about doing this again, doing another to
another vet, but I don't know. He was, he was going to get one
the day I was getting it. Just he's like, I've always
wanted one. Yeah, but he he chickened out.
No, I mean, as far as like, that's a cool tattoo.
Yeah, it's well. Done.
I definitely don't regret. Like there's a funny story
behind it. Yeah.
And. And it was fun.
I think that's a good reason to get a tattoo.
And to be honest, I think that that's actually, even though
that I'm a sort of the upper echelon of tattooing, I still
feel that way to be tattooing that it's for every different
reason. And if you're happy, would you?
It is a place for there's a place in everything for everyone
at their own particular comfort point.
And that's what the way how you feel about the whiskey, you
know, certainly that's, you know, sacred about it.
It's yeah, yeah. You know, everywhere it has to
be accessible. Enjoy it the way you want.
Yeah, and if you close the doors off and have this anticipation
or expectation of people, it just kills fun of it all
together. When you're told you enjoy
someone a certain way, like yeah, you're.
Right. Yeah, There's no, there's no,
no. We need that in their life, you
know? We'll put a link to Dragonclaw
in the bio of the of the podcast episode, but I genuinely enjoy
learning about whiskey in the. Process.
Well, then I'm, I don't think I taught you anything to be really
honest. No, I know.
Anybody take it for granted that there is certain elements that
are, you know, interesting. Yeah, but I just like that you
had a passion or something and you see it, you saw through.
Yeah. Oh, thank you.
Do so many things where you're like I might do this and then
you either you never get round to doing it and.
Stop. You know, I was listening to a
long list of things that that did happen with, you know, with
the best intentions. Even started like an Open
University degree and like just went what am I doing?
Right in a little bit. In what?
PP and is it? No, not I was going to say PPE
you it is PP. And E plain.
Philosophy, no. And economics.
It's called PP and E. Yeah, yeah, politics.
So is lying in bed watching the Vietnam War documentary.
On Netflix, yeah. And I had.
This like I feel like I've got lots of different political
ideas and somebody in this documentary was like it was
mirroring my thoughts and my head pause.
I'm going to study politics. Went on my phone, signed up the
PPE course, Open University, watched race documentary, fell
asleep, woke up the next morning went frig I have to go to uni
now and do a degree in PP and E and I turned him away for like
Janet What? I have to start start uni in
September. She's like what?
Like I had just signed up the and I went and did the first
year and realised like this is only like 3 years ago.
Right. Like, what am I doing?
Like, why am I sitting doing a degree for something that's
like, I'm not going to run as a politician?
Or yeah, yeah, yeah. So I didn't bother, yeah.
Yeah, that is a pretty level of. Drop so whenever I started doing
a whiskey like anybody that knows and he was like, of course
you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because the guy's mad, yeah. No, Chris, I appreciate you
coming on. Oh.
Thanks for having me on. It was real, real pleasure.
I must say. It was really.
Cool. And I'm glad like because I
showed you into a parking space outside and I'm really glad that
I didn't need to move your car or anything because I get
intimidated by cars and uses a Mustang and it's better that I
don't touch it. Yeah, it's falling apart.
So yeah, we don't feel too bad about.
It I have a cash cab. Cheers Chris, Appreciate it.
No, listen. Thank you very much indeed.
Thank you. Thanks.