1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Prime big Deal days is coming October 8th and 9th, which can 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,680 lead to involuntary deal squeals like the infamous deal on a new 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:13,920 massager squeal. Save big on prime big deal days 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:26,040 October 8th and 9th. Sippers, welcome to this episode 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,400 of the Tea with Me podcast with me, she and Todd. 6 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,000 Another guest episode this week. Really delighted to get this guy 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,680 to do the podcast. Read an article with a little 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,200 bit about his life in one of the Sunday papers recently. 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,000 Knew so much of the work that he had done. 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,240 Knew his name but didn't quite know a lot about his back story 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,360 so was able to jump into that with him. 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,240 My guest is Terry George. Terry is a writer and director 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:56,120 who has brought us films like In the Name of the Father and the 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,600 Boxer with Daniel Day Lewis. He, he's worked on things like 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,440 The Shore, which he he won an Oscar for, recently worked with 16 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,040 Christian Bale on a fantastic film, The Promise that he talks 17 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,640 about. And honestly, we just got into a 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,160 lot of his career and how he got to where he got to. 19 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,800 It's not a traditional route, but that I really enjoy chatting 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,360 to Terry. I, I watched so many of his 21 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,560 films growing up and it's brilliant to kind of talk to him 22 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,320 about how he got in the film. Extremely interesting guy and 23 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:28,320 delighted that he agreed to do the podcast. 24 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,080 Before we kick into this, let me just plug two things. 25 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,840 Support local ni.com, especially coming up to Christmas, a lot of 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,400 people want to support local and support ni.com is all about 27 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:41,560 that. 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Main producer Dan, we do a live 46 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,120 episode once a month that the old ones are all up there. 47 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,320 Patreon subscribers get to see those live and also there's some 48 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,560 of my live stand up from the waterfront Hall in 2019. 49 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,880 So plenty of ways to support zippers. 50 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,040 Let's get into this episode with the absolutely fantastic writer 51 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:55,760 and director Terry George. Terry, my first question that I 52 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,560 ask all my guests on the TV's media podcast is are you a tea 53 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,200 drinker? What is the what is the level of 54 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,000 your tea drinking? If you are love that. 55 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,360 I mean, you've gone Australian black mug. 56 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,960 Tea and coffee. Yeah, quite a bit. 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,200 I don't know, 2-3 cups a day, depending on, I mean, when 58 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,320 you're writing, you need something to reach out to. 59 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:16,320 So. Yeah. 60 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:23,840 So big mug of Barry's Irish tea. There you go. 61 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,880 Believe it or not, we, we are, we are drinking from exactly the 62 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,160 same cup here because I'm, I'm going in and I only discovered 63 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,880 Barry's about two months ago, honestly in the middle of 64 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,280 lockdown and it, it totally changed. 65 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,040 It changed my attitude in lockdown. 66 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,880 It lifted my mood. I don't know why I've been 67 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,680 drinking other brands for so long because because Barry's 68 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,520 really is the really is the ticket. 69 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,920 Oh yeah, it's yeah. If you leave it long enough, you 70 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,640 could stand the spring up on it. That's a good old Belfast. 71 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,640 Team you, you live, you live now in, in New York, Terry and kind 72 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,840 of split time between between New York and and home. 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,400 I want to find out about about kind of how you got the how you 74 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,800 got the where you are. And there are so many questions 75 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,960 I I, I want to ask you. But first of all, I just want 76 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,200 to, I want to say that I think I saw in the name of the father 77 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:19,079 when, when I was 10/9 or 10. I mean, not, not a teenager yet. 78 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,600 And I, I can't remember a film that struck me as as much as 79 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,560 that did. I think I was, I was probably 80 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:31,080 too young to maybe take all of it in, but I just remember being 81 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,800 really, really kind of blown away by by that film. 82 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,800 And I watched it again as an adult and enjoyed it in kind of 83 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,960 a different way. And that that and The Boxer are 84 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,560 just two films that really, really stand out for me. 85 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,280 And it wasn't until I read an article in one of the local 86 00:04:50,280 --> 00:04:53,680 Sunday papers that that I found out a little bit more about you. 87 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,240 I didn't know that the man who made those films was was from 88 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,360 here and and I know so much of your films and then I kind of 89 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:06,280 put it all together and was was so came the the chat to you for 90 00:05:06,280 --> 00:05:10,280 the podcast. But as a as a writer, well, I. 91 00:05:10,280 --> 00:05:13,000 Have to, I have to say, qualify all that first of all, because 92 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,480 the main driving force in the whole thing was Jim Sharon, you 93 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,640 know who, who directed both the in the name of the father and 94 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:26,000 the boxer. And then we switched roles and I 95 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,680 did some other sons. So yeah, Jim Jimbo obviously 96 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:36,480 from his relationship with Daniel through my foot was the 97 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,280 instigator and and the catalyst for all of that. 98 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,440 And yeah. And I mean to be to be making 99 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,440 films like that in such a, in such a small part of the world 100 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,200 as, as, as here as Northern Ireland. 101 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,120 What was there, especially in the name of the father? 102 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,840 What, what reaction did you get to that at the time locally, 103 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:01,600 like I, I assume you were still living in in Northern Ireland at 104 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,320 the time. That's just. 105 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,000 No, I wasn't. I was here. 106 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,560 In fact, In the name of the Father was the first time I, I, 107 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:16,320 I'd come to New York in 82. And In the name of the father 108 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,600 was the shoot in Dublin was the first time I'd gone back. 109 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,560 So that was 94. Was it 94 or 96? 110 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,680 So it was like over 10 years since I've been back in Ireland 111 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:39,800 and none of it was shot in the North at all because, you know, 112 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,680 because the Troubles were pretty. 113 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,320 It was just edging towards the ceasefire. 114 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:53,000 But we couldn't shoot any of it in Belfast. 115 00:06:53,000 --> 00:07:00,280 It was all shot around inner Dublin and then part of it in 116 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:03,360 Liverpool. And so I had, I had no idea, I 117 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,920 presumed it was all just filmed where, what, where it happened. 118 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,840 So. So the flats, the start, the 119 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,120 riot scene at the start is they're gone now. 120 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,040 What was the name of the flats area? 121 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:22,840 It was in notorious housing project in inner Dublin that's 122 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,320 now along the keys. It's not like those big. 123 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:32,600 So it was all it was all Dublin and it all had to do with 124 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,120 insurance and and just, you know, the viability at that 125 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:43,320 time, Belfast and Northern Ireland had no real. 126 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,440 They had a film industry, but it hadn't blossomed into what it is 127 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,640 today. So it was. 128 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:54,440 It was all purely. Whenever those whenever those 129 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,040 films came out in the name of the father, what kind of 130 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,520 reaction were you were you getting at the time locally? 131 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,200 I mean, I was, I was very young then, so I don't remember the 132 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,720 release. But when that film came out, how 133 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,360 how did that, how did that go down? 134 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,040 Was there? Was it? 135 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,160 Was it? Like a fart in an elevator. 136 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:24,000 Yeah, the the immediately, immediately politicians, 137 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:30,920 particularly in parliament, screamed that it wasn't true, 138 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,280 that it was propaganda. We were sued in court for saying 139 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,360 this is a true story. There were exposes. 140 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:46,160 I remember specifically sitting with Jim in his house in Dublin 141 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,600 when he got a call from the Daily Telegraph. 142 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,320 As soon as he got that call, I, I sort of knew like, oh shit, 143 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,920 here we go for an interview. And he started the interview and 144 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:05,520 he said that, well, you know, they said it's not true. 145 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:12,000 And, and Jim said, and I'm paraphrasing, there's a greater 146 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,600 truth in this film than just the truth itself. 147 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,720 And I'm like, oh, jeez, you know? 148 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:26,600 But that's exactly what it was. And the accusations about its 149 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,640 veracity were all based on, well, Jerry Conlon wasn't in the 150 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,720 same cell as his father, which was correct. 151 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,600 He wasn't. He was next door some of the 152 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,760 time. Some of the time he wasn't in 153 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,600 the same prison, but other times, you know, he was right 154 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,040 there. And like Emma Thompson's 155 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:49,560 character, Well, they don't say please approach the bench in 156 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:53,040 British courts, you know, but we needed Emma Thompson to talk to 157 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:59,000 the judge, you know, and the fact of the matter was, you 158 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,960 know, after all this hoopla, but how it been lies and blah, blah, 159 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,240 blah and Guilford for guilty and blah, blah, blah. 160 00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:09,160 You know, 10 years later, Tony Blair apologises to the family. 161 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,440 They get big. They're all declared innocent. 162 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:18,720 And, you know, and, and the veracity of the film on the 163 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,600 level of the storytelling, we told it was true. 164 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:28,480 So, yeah, the Boxer had a different, the Boxer had a 165 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:34,880 different reaction, more from the the Irish Republican side 166 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,200 than within the name of the father. 167 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:44,800 There was sort of, yeah, pretty fairly negative reaction to the 168 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,880 Boxer because of its coverage of the ceasefire and the dissidents 169 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,520 and particularly the Jerry Mcsorley character. 170 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,320 So look, you, you tell the story and that every film I've done, 171 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,520 every major film has had that same controversy. 172 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,800 The worst effect being what's going on at the moment because 173 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:13,640 Hotel Rwanda has led to the kidnapping, capture and 174 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:19,120 imprisonment of Paul Rusey Sabagina, the lead the subject 175 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,560 of and the hero of Hotel Rwanda. And he's now locked up in a 176 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:28,760 prison in in Kigali, Rwanda, and is liable to be there for the 177 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,400 rest of his life. Is that because that the film 178 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,240 brought so much aware, like like a far wider awareness to Yeah, 179 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,840 it's. Because the New York Times just 180 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,080 published about, I'd say two months ago now, a big expose of 181 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:49,040 what happened to Paul and basically the Times, strangely 182 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,640 enough, an Irish writer deck and Walsh, a great Irish writer, 183 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:59,040 nailed it in saying that he had become Paul, had become the most 184 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:05,600 famous Rwandan in the world. And President Kagame did not 185 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,000 like that one bit and waged the camp. 186 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,240 And they, I mean, I, I had literally sat beside President 187 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,480 Kagame in Kigali and watched the movie with him, him, he and one 188 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:23,360 side with his wife and the whole parliament and diplomatic corps. 189 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:30,640 And but two months after the films released, Paul put out a 190 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:38,920 book and condemned Kagami's dictatorship and and that was 191 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,960 it. The war was on. 192 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,000 So that was that. And then the most recent big 193 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,360 film, Act on the Promise, which is on the set during the 194 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,480 Armenian Genocide and tells the story of the Armenian Genocide, 195 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,880 produced not only a ferocious reaction from the Turkish 196 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:03,600 government, but they actually made a kind of phoney counter 197 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,480 film. I forget its name now. 198 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:08,720 Oh, the good Lieutenant. Or some right right. 199 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,840 So you made films about humanitarian issues and 200 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,880 controversial stuff and, and you know the shit's going to hit the 201 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:26,280 fan and I've can't expect that. Yeah, I mean, you know, people 202 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,040 talk about like the legacy of films and and the power of 203 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,480 filmmaking, but you offer examples there of, of, of big 204 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,880 hard hitting things when when governments are getting 205 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,160 involved. You know, I, I, I would imagine 206 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:43,000 whenever you first get into into filmmaking, you just think about 207 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,560 that kind of thing. You just think about telling 208 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:49,400 stories and the the knock on effect that can have is is 209 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,640 crazy. Is, is there when you, when you 210 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,000 for I want to ask you about how you, how you got into 211 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,040 filmmaking, because in a, in a limited article that I, that I 212 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,960 read, it kind of talked about how you, you went over to 213 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,840 America and started working in a lot of different jobs. 214 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,400 And, and before you left, did you have a, did you have a 215 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,480 passion for filmmaking? Did you leave here with a with a 216 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,400 love for that or did you totally fall into it? 217 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,160 I didn't. No, I didn't have a passion for 218 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,440 filmmaking. I'd never not in a million years 219 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,320 that I think everybody evolved, but I was I did, you know, I did 220 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:32,080 some writing and and then when I came to New York, I got into 221 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,200 freelance journalism. I started off doing reviews for 222 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,360 Irish American newspapers, music reviews. 223 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,360 I think it was the first one to review The Pogues when they came 224 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,560 way back when and Christy Moore and all of that. 225 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:55,320 And, and that evolved into a job at a magazine, New York 226 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:56,960 Magazine, pretty famous magazine. 227 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,560 And, and at the same time I was, you know, I wrote a play called 228 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,360 The Tunnel, which eventually Jim Sheridan put on. 229 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,600 And that's where the connection started. 230 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:13,320 And when he went off to do My Left Foot, I ran the Irish Arts 231 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:19,000 Centre, which then was like basically a shed on the edge of 232 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:24,120 Manhattan. So Jim was away doing. 233 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,480 He did actually my left foot and the feedback to back. 234 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,800 And then my left foot came out just as I met Jerry Conlon when 235 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,160 he'd been released and was in New York doing a book tour. 236 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:44,920 So it was this sort of weird coincidence evolution that I 237 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:49,560 went from journalism to playwriting to filmmaking. 238 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,680 Yeah. And, and the whole filmmaking 239 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,160 thing was purely through Sheridan. 240 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:02,520 The idea I had actually, at that time before, while he was off 241 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,960 doing my left foot, I was working for a woman called Shane 242 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,440 Alexander. And Shane Alexander was the most 243 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,840 famous woman writer in America at that time. 244 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,880 She'd written, she worked for, she was the first woman writer 245 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:21,680 for Life magazine and then had been on the biggest, the 246 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:26,440 equivalent of Panorama in the United States, 60 minutes where 247 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,640 she did this 5 minute commentary at the end of it. 248 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:35,480 And she was doing a book on the biggest mafia trial in American 249 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,320 history. It's called The Pizza 250 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,360 Connection. And I was a researcher and at 251 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:48,560 the same time she got an offer to write ATV series thing about 252 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,760 an American woman's in the horses and shoe jumping because 253 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,680 the island and blah blah blah. And I Co wrote that with her. 254 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,800 So so I was sort of hovering around. 255 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:03,600 But it was Sheridan and the whole evolution from the tunnel 256 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,520 to my left foot to the name of the father that kicked it all 257 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,440 off. Do you think with, with writing 258 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:15,040 that being, being from, you know, somewhere like here helps 259 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,640 in terms of, in terms of really good characters? 260 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,599 Because you know, the, the kind of stories that you, you, your 261 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:26,760 crew live in here and the kind of, let me, let me say unique 262 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,280 type people that we have sometimes. 263 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,920 I would imagine if you, if you put that into a script or into a 264 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,560 story, it, you know, it might, it might sound made-up to 265 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:40,240 anybody who isn't from here, but I just think we have a very, a 266 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,400 very different take on the world. 267 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,400 And especially when you know, having a working class 268 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,200 background and encountering a lot of a lot of characters, you 269 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,160 know, you're imagine the, you know, the subject matter that 270 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:59,280 gives you is, is is pretty rich. Well, it is, yeah. 271 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,360 And I'm look, I'm sure I don't want to make, you know, Belfast 272 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:06,760 or Northern Ireland to be the, the, the, the great sort of 273 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,720 character. What do you do boiling part of 274 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,440 of the world? I'm sure every every community 275 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,600 has those. But I think there's something, 276 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,120 you know, and a lot of people have written about this. 277 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:25,400 There's something about the Irish North and South that that 278 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,800 we obviously are into storytelling and literature. 279 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:34,720 And, you know, the greatest writers in the world, a lot of 280 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,080 them, Yates and Joyce and Heaney and all, you know, they're, 281 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:46,480 they're all feed off that culture which some people have 282 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:54,160 put down to the, the language being stolen away, the the 283 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,280 Gaelic language being stolen away and banned and so forth. 284 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:03,080 And therefore you had, you know, the Irish had a talk in riddles, 285 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,200 you know, they were talking riddles like it. 286 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,000 And it still exists today. And I think in the North it has 287 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:14,600 a lot to do with the, you know, that whole thing, the Seamus 288 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,800 heating thing of whatever you say, say nothing and, you know, 289 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,760 trying to find out where somebody's from, from their name 290 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,400 and all that, that, that don't, you know, And you know, 291 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,880 everything is a question in Northern Ireland, you know. 292 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,040 Yeah, yeah. I think the funniest thing is 293 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:35,640 when that I always say to Americans, you know, here's the 294 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,080 difference. When you meet someone from 295 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:43,960 America that you've encountered before and you can't remember 296 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,120 who they are, or even if you can remember, they'll come up to you 297 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:52,600 and say, oh, Terry, you know how I'm sure you don't remember we 298 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,680 met in blah, blah, blah. When that happens in the 299 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,480 Belfast, if you fucking don't Remember Me. 300 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:10,080 It's it's an accusation right away versus the, you know, the 301 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:13,440 other thing and that's kind of the whole conversation. 302 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:19,680 So so there's a there's a Christmas and a cutting edge to 303 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,000 our dialogue and to the stories we tell. 304 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,040 Unsure. So you you feed on that. 305 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,560 So so yeah. And then I mean, within the name 306 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,160 of the father. It was Jim was doing the, the 307 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,440 fact, the kind of father son stuff when I was doing the 308 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,840 political, the troubles in the gaols or whatever, and we mixed 309 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,520 it up. But there was that combination, 310 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,480 you know. Did you have any reservations 311 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:53,440 about about writing projects or around the troubles and based 312 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:58,280 around that time and dealing with political issues and and 313 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,440 being from here or was it just something that you. 314 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,800 Yeah, no. Reservations and you know, it, 315 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:12,880 it it had, it created problems for me, a lot of problems. 316 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:18,680 But you have to get it out there, you know, and you have to 317 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,680 understand. And I knew right away I was 318 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:26,800 writing from the I'm, I'm Catholic in name only, you know, 319 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,880 and the test the structure of the Catholic Church. 320 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:40,680 But I'm, you know, Republican. And so I knew, right, you know, 321 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,920 I have a bias that's going to appear there. 322 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,560 And you can't help that. And you try to mitigate that by 323 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:51,400 putting your yourself in the headspace of the people on the 324 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:56,960 other side and try to write that way as much as you can. 325 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:03,320 And I guess, I suppose the biggest condemnation I got, but 326 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,040 from both sides was for some mother's son, you know, the the 327 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,400 hunger strike movie. But I was trying to write from 328 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,720 the perspective of the mothers. You know that. 329 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:20,800 And it's funny, I watched the crime reluctantly at 1st and 330 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,240 then I'm enjoying it. I just started, yeah. 331 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,360 I watched it. I've watched the whole fourth 332 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:31,040 season now, which usually probably just getting fed at the 333 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,320 minute. But the whole the thought, you 334 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,480 know, Julian Armstrong does an amazing job with Thatcher. 335 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,920 And what struck me, there's a whole episode based around when 336 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:46,720 her son Mark went missing in the Sahara Desert and the effect it 337 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,400 had on her. And what struck me about that 338 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:54,640 was this is the same woman that, you know, that ten sons starved 339 00:22:54,640 --> 00:23:00,080 to death over what turned out to be a little boast, you know, was 340 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,720 resolved. Yeah. 341 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,560 I don't know, you know, reasonably quickly once that, 342 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,320 that, that. No, no, no. 343 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,520 Thatcherism gave way till the day. 344 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,840 So. Yeah, that. 345 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:23,760 So, you know, I've never hidden or claimed to be objective. 346 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,400 You can't be objective in film. If you point the camera 30 347 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,360 seconds one way and five seconds the other, you've already made 348 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:33,400 it. You know, a subjective decision. 349 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,960 I mean, I, I, I just started the crown. 350 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,720 I went into it with, I don't know a lot about the royal 351 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,800 family. I mean, probably went to into it 352 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,760 with, with real indifference. And I think I'm about 5 episodes 353 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,920 in and I've never understood people Terry that order like 354 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,880 commemorative plates and tea towels about the Royals before. 355 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,800 But now I just find myself Googling like, what can I get? 356 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,840 You know, You know, coasters, whatever it is, pillows. 357 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,440 As an investment or as as that you're a fan. 358 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,880 I don't know why I'm. I'm I'm, I'm just, I don't know, 359 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,200 I'm just obsessed with I think that that world. 360 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,840 I think that that notion of, of being so detached from, from 361 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:22,640 reality and living in such a such an old kind of way, like 362 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,120 that's, that's mediaeval almost to, you know, just be so out of 363 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:29,240 touch with the, with the real world. 364 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,120 I, I, I find it really, really fascinating. 365 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,720 Really fascinating. Yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, 366 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,680 half the world does now. It's a big hit. 367 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,480 And clearly, I mean, they don't come off very well. 368 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,720 No, I guess the Queen does pretty well. 369 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,880 And strangely, Prince Philip does. 370 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,000 He always struck me as the biggest wobbly of them all, you 371 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,720 know? I mean, Charles is a disaster, 372 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,160 you know? Princeville comes across like 373 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,040 someone who who kind of just got swept along with it and decided 374 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,600 to have a bit of fun, a bit of fun along the way. 375 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,320 Yeah, but it's the entitlement that that should all be allowed 376 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,240 to happen. Yeah. 377 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:14,720 I mean, it's great TV and people over here love it and, and it's 378 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,640 interesting to see the perspective of it, you know? 379 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,560 It's, it's difficult to watch it being, being from Northern 380 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,760 Ireland. That's I think we are, we're 381 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,960 very polite and we have good etiquette. 382 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,400 And it's very difficult to watch it whenever people don't say 383 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,040 thank you at every at every turn. 384 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,880 You know, when when one of the Royals takes off a robe and a 385 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,960 servant takes it, you know, there should you should be 386 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,440 turning around every time here. Cheers, mate. 387 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,760 Appreciate that. There's no thanks. 388 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,640 You know, I just want to see everybody thanked. 389 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,240 But yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's a fascinating series. 390 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,280 I I don't want to dwell too much on politics at all, but in the, 391 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,280 in the article that I that, that I read or read about you, you've 392 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,200 been interned about internment. And that's something, that's 393 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,840 something I. Was adjourned and then I was 394 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,480 sentenced and. Yeah, and obviously that came 395 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,680 out in the. You know, it, it shows up in the 396 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:16,160 movies and it, you know, it came out in the press coverage 397 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:22,080 hugely, you know, and and you know, you can't do three years 398 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,440 in long cases. It was then not have a big 399 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:34,920 impact on your life. But yeah, I mean, it's, I have 400 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,080 to remember it's 40 years ago now, you know, and there's like, 401 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,680 I've actually lived in the United States longer than 402 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,280 Northern Ireland or Northern Ireland is my home and, or the 403 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,080 north of Ireland or whatever the fuck you want. 404 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:50,120 Yeah, I know. I don't. 405 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,520 I don't think there's a right answer. 406 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,280 I don't think there's a right answer. 407 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,480 Well, I don't know. What should we call it? 408 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,920 Bally. Let's let's get a new name for 409 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,120 it and make Danny Boy the national anthem and fucking move 410 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:02,800 on. I mean, that's a simplistic 411 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,760 thing to say, but. No, I'd be all for. 412 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,680 It. I'd be all for it. 413 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,960 I mean you you. It is crazy that you can. 414 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,120 Batland. Let's Let's call it Batland. 415 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,160 We can have a flag with a big bap with an egg and sausage in 416 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,200 the middle of it. And I'm all for bapland. 417 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,200 I think the one thing that we unite both sides of the 418 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:31,680 community is BAPS. We're united in our food choices 419 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,800 for sure. Baps can't be Baps cannot be 420 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,280 denied. And you can see that when you 421 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,760 see everyone. Everybody in Northern Ireland 422 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,400 but including myself, needs to lose 20 lbs. 423 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,520 You split, Yeah, yeah, You talked about, you know, 424 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,280 splitting sometime between America and and and here. 425 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:53,480 Whenever you come back to here, what do you, what do you really 426 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,960 like to do? What's the what's what's your 427 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,040 like go to thing if you've been away for a while? 428 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:03,640 Well, you know, I was, but I was home from January to literally 429 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,320 February 26th because my daughter Orla just shot a movie. 430 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,200 Oh, it's great. Right In the same location as 431 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,280 the shore, basically my house and around there. 432 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,680 Yeah, the George's saying there seems to be a little bit of 433 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,600 pattern of the the George's enjoy just like doing a little 434 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,520 bit of filming from the house, which which I can definitely get 435 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,920 on board with, you know, just keeping it close to home. 436 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,080 Let me tell you, I don't enjoy it because the fucking house 437 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,120 gets wrecked. Right, right. 438 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,640 Having. A film crew around your house 439 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,080 and in your house and all around it. 440 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,400 Now the short was only 6 days, so that was nothing. 441 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,960 This was two months and is liable to be more because of 442 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,640 some reshoots needed or whatever. 443 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,480 But but the the area, the region, Kalak Art Glass, the 444 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,160 mourns Terella is one of the most beautiful places in the 445 00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:00,000 world and friendliest and and neglected because it never had 446 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:08,320 the same attention as, say, the, well, the northeast, you know, 447 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,360 Giants Causeway and around there, I guess Newcastle was 448 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,000 Royal County Down. But other than that, it wasn't 449 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,520 really on the tourism map. So I like to try to use that as 450 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,840 much as I can. Yeah. 451 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,760 When I go home, what I like to do. 452 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:33,920 Well, I mean, you see friends and I guess the Irish North and 453 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,240 South of this thing, they don't, they don't call you up and say, 454 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,960 are you available or whatever. You know, the door knocks and 455 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,120 then they come and that's a cup of tea and the Paris buns and 456 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,120 the custards and all that, you know, those wonderful healthy 457 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,280 foods that we love so much. Yeah. 458 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,360 So that it's more that getting together. 459 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,720 And, you know, I go into Belfast occasionally. 460 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,040 My brother Michael is still there. 461 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:11,600 And but that's that. Yeah, that's it's, it's, it's 462 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,440 just hanging out, you know. I think you know, the the likes 463 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,320 of Lacal and around the Mourns and our glass, that kind of the 464 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,920 work. I mean, I think a lot of the 465 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,880 reason why it is under undervalued and maybe not a lot 466 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,720 of people visit there. I think when when Val Morrison 467 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,640 made the song Coney Island, I think he put the idea in 468 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,840 everyone's head that every shop sells potted herrings, you know, 469 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,360 cockles and things like that. I mean, it doesn't make the 470 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,560 cuisine sound appealing. So I think that might have put a 471 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,000 lot of people off. I don't know that. 472 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,000 I mean, the two, there were two places that used to sell it in 473 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:49,280 our glass, you know, Milligan's supermarket and, and there was a 474 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:54,760 fish store and all, but the, the, the, the whole economy 475 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,400 fishing industry in our glass and Coquille and Portofagi and 476 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,640 always devastate, has been devastated by overfishing and, 477 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,920 and all sorts of EU/UK skullduggery and whatever. 478 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,160 And it's a shame because, you know, it's part of my growing 479 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,840 up. I remember, I literally remember 480 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,320 huge Nets of herrings being lifted off fishing trawlers and 481 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,080 some dropping out and me picking them up and putting them in a 482 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,760 bag. And that was the Friday thing, 483 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,200 you know? But yeah, yeah. 484 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,680 And potted herrings and all that and picking. 485 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,200 And, you know, I did a little bit of it in the shore where 486 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,640 they were picking. They were actually picking 487 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,440 Willick's not, you know, not mussels. 488 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,560 But Americans don't understand the concept of eating sea snails 489 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,720 is beyond them. I got. 490 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:53,040 Especially boiled. I got where the show was filmed 491 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,480 wrong. I I, I thought it was Dundrum. 492 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,680 I just had an area of Dundrum in my mind where I thought that 493 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,880 that's where the Shore was filmed. 494 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,560 So I didn't realise that it was that it was. 495 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,200 No, it's, it's, it's the Bay, it's Clock Bay. 496 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,960 But the whole thing is shot. And, you know, there's a title 497 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:19,840 Pole where all the locals would go out and pick some muscles 498 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,360 and, and, and Willex, mostly Willex because they could sell 499 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,280 that. But now, God help them, it's 500 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,480 Lithuanian refugees and Eastern European refugees who you see 501 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,360 are picking Willex out of necessity, you know, and they'd 502 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,080 be out there. I'd see a light going at 3:00 in 503 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,000 the morning in the winter, whether out with the tide. 504 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,960 So it's a strange evolution, you know. 505 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,240 I think quite a lot of, I think there's at the minute in our 506 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,720 glass hope we've got this right. There's fishermen from Ghana 507 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,640 that have just like got involved with the local GAA club and 508 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,400 they've, they've been training and playing and that, that was a 509 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,640 fantastic news story in Italian. That's a good thing. 510 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,400 But there's also, you know, there's the flip side of that. 511 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,280 There's Filipino fishermen who are on boats who can't get off 512 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,720 the border, have been on it for. That's a slave labour thing. 513 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,760 At the same time, you know, I mean that at one point I was 514 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,240 going to do a movie about this, about just slave labour on deep 515 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,520 sea fishing trawlers, not around our glass, you know, So, So 516 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,600 yeah. But yeah, it has evolved and 517 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,840 it's more of an evolved community, like everywhere 518 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,000 else's, which is a good thing. Well, that's Speaking of 519 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,440 projects that you would think about doing or want to do that 520 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,840 that that's one of my final questions for you is, is there 521 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,320 is there a particular story that you've that you've always wanted 522 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,920 to tell through film that maybe you haven't been able to or, or 523 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,080 or would love to do so but haven't haven't had the chance 524 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,960 yet? Yeah, there's a couple. 525 00:33:53,960 --> 00:34:00,240 There's a few that I've, you know, that I'm working on, two 526 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:10,440 set in the north, one in the South and the market area where 527 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,360 my mother and granny and all was from fascinates me because it's 528 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:21,440 so crazy marketer. I know every, all the Belfast 529 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,800 areas are crazy, you know, and they all have their legacy. 530 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:29,880 But the market just was so, I mean, literally where my granny 531 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,360 lived, which was on Legging St, which looked out on Chromic 532 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,480 Square. And there was a courtyard that 533 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,480 led until a sort of a bigger courtyard and stables in the 534 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:46,000 back of these Victorian decrepit, you know, outside 535 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:52,000 toilet houses. And I think it was the Murdoch, 536 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,120 so the stoves that had stables there and they keep horses, you 537 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,679 know, the trotting horses and all that stuff. 538 00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,040 So there was always horses, there was always animals running 539 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,680 about the market. They were all cattle getting 540 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,200 escaping and there'd be a panic and, you know, and because they, 541 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:09,600 the actual cattle market and sheep market and pig market was 542 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:15,720 across the road, you know, and they drove them like literally. 543 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:18,720 I remember as a kid, one of my vivid childhood memories is 544 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:23,280 working with my mother. We were going from across the 545 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,160 Albert Bridge and up that hump where now the railway station is 546 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,600 or whatever. And just as we got towards the 547 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,360 top of the hill, a herd of cows, and I mean hundreds of them with 548 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,520 horns, they didn't dehorn yet came charging over. 549 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,080 It was like something out of, you know, the Wild West. 550 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,320 And we had a 2, you know, and these cows came stampeding by 551 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,440 with these guys with these tanned boots. 552 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,720 They all wore these big tan boots, you know, whipping them 553 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:56,160 with. And then my grandmother's in 554 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,760 that stable behind her house. When the circus came, they, they 555 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,720 put up the, the zebras and the elephants in the giraffes or not 556 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:06,920 giraffes. I don't think I ever saw 557 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,360 giraffe, but camel, elephant, zebra, that's where they'd house 558 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,000 them. It was it. 559 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,520 I mean this. It's just insane. 560 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:24,360 I mean, 11 micro observation I only sort of confirmed in my own 561 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,560 head recently about the market is the way I drive into Belfast. 562 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,120 I would sort of drive down the Ormoor Rd in parallel with it. 563 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,120 And then don't think this is something you would ever 564 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,840 incorporate into a film about the market. 565 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,120 But any fella under the age of 40 that walks out of the market 566 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,080 towards city centre shorts all year round and, and I know that 567 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,640 is a very niche observation, but code on the top half jumper, zip 568 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,800 up trainers, always shorts. I don't know what it is about 569 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,440 guys in the market, what I don't know what they have against. 570 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:59,080 Well, that's that's that's when you that that was in my time. 571 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,600 They wouldn't be they'd get. Are you kidding? 572 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,720 They could. That's for where they. 573 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,160 Were in shorts. I thought with the pound boots 574 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,520 and the stick were driving and, and they, because, you know, the 575 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,400 besides those, the animal markets, there was the what's 576 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,440 now George's Market, which was a clothes market and then a food 577 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,480 market. And so, yeah, yeah, they were, 578 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,600 it was like the, the lifeblood of the city and the, and the, 579 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,520 the province filtered through there. 580 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,840 And at the same time they were tough. 581 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,280 Oh geez, that's a tough area. Yeah, I mean my, my, my granny 582 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,240 grew up, I guess on the other on the other side of the bridge in 583 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:39,760 in the new order on Susan St in the Newton Ord Road. 584 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:47,320 And then and that it did from the did seem to be a very, very, 585 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,800 very tough, very tough place to live around there. 586 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,640 But but but also great with the with the people with the people. 587 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,920 And, you know, she, I, I, I remember hearing a lot about 588 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,840 the, you know, from, from before the troubles when, when there 589 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,840 wasn't like quite a lot of the problems that, that we have had, 590 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,960 you know, with, with workers that, that mixed. 591 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,600 And I, I love hearing stories about that time and, and all all 592 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,400 around that area. Sure. 593 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,920 Yeah, Yeah. I mean, and and and capturing 594 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,760 that, I mean, I think Mary Jones and Martin Lynch and, you know, 595 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,280 they've all done great work as playwrights and stuff to sort of 596 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,160 get the sense of that. But but that's just one area I 597 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,280 know well. And because my father was from 598 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,920 the Short Strand, Paul Mccarrick, there was that bridge 599 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,360 link. And so I knew, you know, they 600 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,960 were from Beach V Street. That's that's that's the basis 601 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,760 of my culture. Yeah. 602 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:54,000 So trying to capture that. And I mean, you mythologize that 603 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,640 sort of Dickensian because it was tough and the children were 604 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,680 thrown out and there's a lot of bad stuff went on, you know, 605 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:04,560 clearly, but. Starting work at such a young 606 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:10,480 age, but yeah, and hard work, you know, hard work in my granny 607 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:15,680 worked in Gallagher's and. He was a drug dealer. 608 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,120 We produced the most picking. That was the proudest thing in 609 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,200 Belfast. We produced the most, you know, 610 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:33,120 addictive drug in the world, recognised by all as such now. 611 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,880 And that was it, yeah. I got it finished. 612 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,160 I could I could ask you a million questions, but I am I 613 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,880 want to wrap up just by asking you about about two actors that 614 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,440 in particular that you've worked with two of my favourite actors, 615 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,000 Daniel Day Lewis and and Christian Bale you worked with. 616 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,280 You mentioned the problems with Christian Bale. 617 00:39:53,840 --> 00:40:00,400 Yeah, I, I read that when, sorry, I was going to say Daniel 618 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,360 Day Lewis lived in your, your mum's house when he filmed the 619 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,480 Belfast was that? He did indeed. 620 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,960 He stayed there for a couple of weeks. 621 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,120 Yeah. And she's making these big fries 622 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,160 in the morning. And yeah, he lived in the back 623 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,480 with the backroom upstairs and travelled over, up and down and 624 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,160 black taxis and stuff to get the. 625 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,840 And I had to go around and ask all the neighbours to like, 626 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,120 pretend that they don't recognise Daniel Day Lewis, 627 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,400 which created a few hilarious incidents. 628 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,160 One guy followed him in the toilets and I think is it the 629 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,760 green bar or the glance chask or some bar I took him into and he 630 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,080 was taking a piss and the guy comes up. 631 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:55,000 I don't give a fuck who you are, I want your autograph and 632 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,960 Christian is just the greatest. I mean, he got this bad 633 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,720 reputation for one thing he did on throne, which, but he's the 634 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:14,760 most generous, you know, gifted guy so that you know, you, you 635 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,280 hear that other stuff and then you talk to somebody and then 636 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,440 you meet them and it's just the polar opposite. 637 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:29,160 And Daniel's a, you know, an incredibly honourable, courteous 638 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:34,200 guy who just doesn't, doesn't want fame in the slightest, you 639 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,760 know, which is why he's giving up. 640 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,480 Yeah, but I've, look, I, I don't, I've been blessed. 641 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,560 I mean, I've worked with Daniel. Christian Bale, Joaquin, who's 642 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,960 my friend. Joaquin Phoenix. 643 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,320 Helen Mirren. I'm looking at the posters here. 644 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:56,240 Dawn Cheadle, Sophia Canedo, Kieran Hines, you know, Oscar 645 00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:58,240 Isaac. Who am I forgetting? 646 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,280 You know, it's just fantastic. Bill Paxton. 647 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,440 There's, there's posters on the wall. 648 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,520 That's what I'm looking at. There you go. 649 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,120 I love that. You know. 650 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,040 I love the the the in the name of the father poster is is 651 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,240 great, but the boxer is that the boxer poster with with the. 652 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,560 No, the boxer poster is in another room. 653 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,680 The the the it's the short of promise in the hotel about in 654 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,880 the name of the father the boxers over. 655 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,800 I'd say no, no, yeah, that's it. I just, you know, what do you do 656 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,240 with posters except hang them up? 657 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:36,080 I know this, this whole background here. 658 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,880 I I I had reservations about doing Zooms with this because I 659 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,160 do zooms with people on hardware and it's my desk and it's where 660 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,920 the computer is. So, you know, it's like, but 661 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,200 I've been told it's a bit intimidating, but fuck it, no. 662 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,240 No, I like that. I say, like you say, if you got 663 00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:54,960 if you got posters, you got to hang them up and. 664 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,240 What am I supposed? What do you do? 665 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,280 I know. That's the thing about the the 666 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,000 Oscar. What do you do with the Oscar? 667 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,840 It's fucking, you know, it's a doorstop. 668 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,840 It's a little tattoo just here, you know, little things like. 669 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,080 If, if, if I ever won an Oscar, I think I would treat it like, 670 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,160 like I, I was a pirate with a bird on my shoulder, You know, I 671 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,080 think I would just constantly just just have it there. 672 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,480 Every conversation of that's. The way for like 3 days and then 673 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,520 people say catch yourself on you know true anyway. 674 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,320 Terry. Talking to you I. 675 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,160 Appreciate it so much. Thank you so much for your time 676 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,040 and yeah, really, really appreciate. 677 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,360 It well, I look forward to listening, watching, whatever. 678 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:36,840 Thank you very much.