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In this episode, we're going to 
talk about what transformation 

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might really look like in our 
youth ministry settings. 

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This is the youth ministry 
mindset podcast. 

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Hey everybody. 
Welcome back to another episode 

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of the youth ministry mindset 
podcast with voices from Alpha 

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and why disciple out of net 
Ministries. 

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I'm your host, Josh danis joined
by co-hosts Jordan Barry and 

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Annie grindell and today we're 
going to be unpacking a topic 

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that I'm so excited for this is 
actually the one I've been 

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looking forward to the most of 
all these. 

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And that is, what does it look 
like to experience 

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transformation? 
This whole series has been About

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the concept of moving from 
transactional Ministry to 

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transformational Ministry and 
now we've laid out all the 

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lenses, we've had some great 
data and some great stories from

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experts. 
Now let's dive into 

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specifically, how will things be
different for us as we 

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experience transformational 
Ministry in our youth settings? 

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Yeah, I mean and for me it comes
down to a lot of what the title 

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of this podcast is, is we're 
talking to youth ministry 

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mindset and while the Things in 
our ministry are going to change

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its are also our mindset around 
it. 

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One of my favorite books, 
mindset, the new psychology of 

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success by dr. 
Carol dweck, I love it. 

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It's to me. 
It was just, it was, it was 

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revolutionary concept, but the 
idea is there's two mindsets 

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that we have a growth mindset or
a fixed mindset. 

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Fixed mindset says, I can't and 
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challenge ourselves because we 
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having all the answers. 
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growth mindset that I'm 
learning. 

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I talk to my kids all the time 
like smart people don't know, 

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all the answers, smart people 
actually love when they don't 

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know the answer because they get
to learn something new, they get

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to stretch themselves, is that 
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And that's what we're talking 
about here in Ministry is having

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a growth mindset in Ministry. 
There are some things that are 

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fixed, right? 
The sacraments we're not asking 

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anybody to change anything about
the Sacramento. 

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We're not asking anyone to 
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Liturgy or doctrine or morality.
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people to look through is Lens 
of transformation that the how 

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matters. 
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transformed dramatically in the 
last five years and and the way 

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we engage that culture in 
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youth culture, we need to look 
at and be honest and say is what

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I'm doing effective and is it 
transformational? 

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Yeah so we as those who minister
to youth we have to be as as st.

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Paul says in the scriptures be 
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Our minds, we have to enter into
this new time, this new space 

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and allow the spirit to continue
to transform us as we also 

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continue to work and create the 
systems and create the support 

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by which the holy spirit will 
work to transform the hearts and

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minds of young people. 
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So they get it. 
I love how the Lord will lead 

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you to, where he actually wants 
you to go and where he wants you

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to take others with. 
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process it is. 
As much as it is going to be, 

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you have to let the culture of 
your youth ministry, grow into 

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this, the Lord is going to lead 
you in this as well, and and you

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can't. 
I keep saying Minnesota, the 

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Overflow of your heart and what 
it basically, I'm saying is this

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isn't real for you don't even 
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you, and because that's what 
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Hmm. 
I also like the example of the 

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Eucharist Rite, we talked about 
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source and the summit of our 
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And the truth is that we Could 
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or even, we could go every day 
and it could just be an activity

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for us. 
It could just be a box that were

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checking, that's transactional. 
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But if it's going to become the 
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source that we enter into in 
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And we become transformed. 
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Eucharist and so, that's, that's
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It's not just an activity, it's 
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And the activity is a movement 
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So likewise in our youth 
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ministry, it's not just Just 
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something that we're becoming 
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So how do we apply this with 
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How can we make this more real 
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Yeah, and I think as you're 
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culture shift that you will come
across some different challenges

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along the way. 
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Small Things, the small wins the
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celebrate and I'll give one of 
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And so there was a time when one
kid was Literally we we put this

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protocol in place where if you 
have a kid that's totally acting

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out. 
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request. 
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And when they can't, the second 
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and receipt them in a circle 
whatever and typically that 

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solves 99.9 percent the problems
because you're not next to the 

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repairs better go they like have
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rest of the circle. 
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different spot in the circle. 
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Like like you literally receipt 
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Okay. 
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So it's request receipt. 
Eat. 

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And then the third one is 
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Now, it's not as drastic as 
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Remove is Big Bad. 
Jordan comes in and says, hey 

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come hang out with me. 
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kids actually doing that. 
And, you know, he's a really 

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troubled kid and we knew that 
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leader comes to me, says look 
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today and I was like, oh, I'll 
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Okay, let's go play some 
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I'm just gonna didn't name him 
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Okay, hey, Bob no kids named 
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ping-pong so we wouldn't play. 
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having it and I was like, oh 
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So we go sit down next to each 
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how can I pray for you? 
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crying. 
We literally starts bawling in 

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front of me and he tells me 
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happening. 
He said, his dad is incarcerated

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and was actually just stabbed 
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that his mom has cancer. 
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and I'm looking at him like 
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acting out at all levels like 
you and and I'm what if I was in

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the situation where I just told 
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you have to get in line. 
Let's go sit down in that 

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Circle. 
Stop like you, what would he 

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feel in the moment I was able to
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about this. 
Thank you for telling me this. 

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Tell me more. 
How you feeling what's going on?

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And and I think that was a 
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I was a little small 
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the same kid I had this. 
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like yeah she asked me he said 
what kind of kids you got going 

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to your ministry and I was like 
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Like what am I supposed to say? 
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the moment I was realizing that 
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extend Grace, just as much as 
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students to extend Grace and 
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It's like we need to extend 
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Our young people are Getting we 
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Yeah, I think of a time when 
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that was meeting at another 
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And this, it was a it was a 
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getting it started reached out 
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said hey will you be our Mentor 
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to be part of this small group 
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leader realize that too Of the 
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go to church. 
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but in particular these girls 
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to church over Scandal. 
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scandalous that it happened in 
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and and their parents said, no, 
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small group because, because the
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their friend, she was safe and 
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That it if it had been on our 
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There's a good chance we never 
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because their parents were like,
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with this. 
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walking with these young women 
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And one day at at Easter Mass, I
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I was an overflow seating with 
all my kids, you know, making a 

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racket. 
And I turned around to deal with

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one of my kids and here's one of
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The whole family is there at 
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was a safe place for them and it
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was a place of relationship. 
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Oh guys, you don't go to church,
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You should be going to church 
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This was this was a probably a 
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the relationships that they had 
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And that that leader was 
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and encourage these girls and 
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mass and it took a long time but
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the thing when I think 
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So often we think Paul getting 
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Damascus and then becoming the 
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sometimes but more often 
transformation is slow and it's 

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a gradual process that we don't 
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moment. 
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Yeah, I had an experience with 
confirmation timo's, helping out

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with last year and similar 
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Beginning and actually lucky me,
I got all the cool kids, right? 

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And they know they're the cool 
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school and they're they're all 
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I'm terrified of. 
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of just relaxing and not taking 
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So seriously and allowing one 
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didn't define success as having 
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I just define success as they're
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going to keep going. 
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the time, when we were getting 
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started having more serious 
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It was clear that they were 
learning content, but I want to 

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know what's really going on 
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I wanted some proof that A 
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And so I'm asking, hey, what's 
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Where are you? 
What does this mean to you? 

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And one young young men in 
particular Bob, of course, and 

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up apologies. 
If there actually is When 

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you're, of course, there might 
be some problem apology to them.

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But to this young man, Bob, he 
turned to the group and he said,

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I got to be honest guys, I don't
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How I feel about all this Faith 
stuff, but I know that this 

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group of all of you on our time 
together here is important to me

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and it wasn't, I'm having fun at
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something else. 
It was, it was important at the 

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time. 
I kind of walked away a little 

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bit dejected but the more I 
reflected, I thought, no this Is

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this is one small step in a 
larger process of transformation

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and I have to be okay with that.
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And you have to guard it and 
it's protect it and you have to 

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continue to nurture it because 
it's not you can't there's no 

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Silver Bullet to this. 
You have to Champion it and it 

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takes time and you just have to 
continue to battle and battle 

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and battle in such a way that 
you're fighting for something 

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and you're fighting for this 
generation because these are the

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things that actually will 
cultivate into lasting impact. 

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Austin. 
Yep. 

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And that transformation is on 
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It's personal conversion. 
It's that slow transformation 

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from the adult. 
Being the volunteer with a 

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textbook, in a classroom, to 
them being a mentor to young 

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people. 
That's, that's a slow 

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transformation. 
It's a slow transformation. 

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Getting our parishes to 
understand what this is going to

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be, but it happened step by step
by step. 

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Jordan, I heard you use a great 
word in there. 

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You just said, Silver Bullet. 
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There are no silver bullets. 
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it's not a silver bullet. 
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What is it? 
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it. 
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can run Alpha because it's good 
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million dollars to produce it 
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discussion format but you can 
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need to work at these pieces of 
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You have to do the work of 
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In the ministry of being real, a
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than walking away. 
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Yeah. 
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What do you want to see in as 
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disappointed. 
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for a product that has all the 
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disappointed not just in this, 
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not the product, it's not the, 
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content is great, and I'm very 
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we're taking the content, but 
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culture in which this Happens 
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putting out just as much 
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putting out content for teens 
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who we talked about like I want 
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how to be a disciple maker, but 
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discipleship and we want to give
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people. 
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it it can flourish. 
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our development of why disciple 
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transformation that we hope that
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all want, but ultimately, if you
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mentality, these won't help you.
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dead set in a transformational 
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much any tool and it's going to 
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to any kind of content and it 
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asking, you know, Alpha for our 
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disciple to crank out more 
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be, it'll be different. 
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throughout all this content that
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trying to convince you to 
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widest table content. 
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invite people? 
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about partnership, always about 
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and what do you think that would
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Arden. 
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conversion, the first thing that
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that happens is evangelization 
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Catholic faith to somebody, who 
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faith to somebody who has no 
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ourselves is the step to that, 
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step that there's an encounter. 
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going through something like 
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young people and give them the 
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Life. 
And so you and I were talking 

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about the interplay between what
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off, the zoom call and I got on 
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favorite tools out there for 
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this little, we keep calling it.
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transformational culture, not 
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that's not going to do it. 
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evangelization. 
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with your with your students so 
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encounter the person of Jesus. 
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they've got these groups that 
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entire Alpha experience that 
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vulnerability with. 
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stretching, those muscles and 
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quickly, very easily could turn 
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they stay continuing to journey 
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start to desire to make other 
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having them become table leaders

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and run Alpha like a can become 
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after content after content but 
of expanding culture. 

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when I went to his first 
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He said, discipleship isn't 
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It is sick. 
Euler, Circular with penetrating

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depth. 
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I think we're, we talked about 
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circular thing, but we missed 
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And then the, my favorite part 
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up with this idea, and now, 
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welcome. 
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this and then out of nowhere, 
I'm not kidding you. 

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Every time I would talk to 
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Or the next day, every time I 
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Minister, who would say we've 
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why disciple being you know 
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Next, I got a call from somebody
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Saying, hey, we've been running 
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have my kids who've been in, why
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for Alpha. 
Are we crazy? 

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I mean, it was, it was every 
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these meeting. 
Another youth Minister would pop

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up and say, I have this idea and
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there who are actually doing 
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Sounds great. 
You want to add to that Jordan? 

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think we're just talking about 
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It and and then maybe we can 
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give it a go try it. 
You know, you don't have to use 

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Alpha, you don't have to use y 
disciple but do these things 

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because we know this is working,
you could let Alpha and - I will

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help you guide you in that 
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But this culture is the thing 
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can do this together we can see 
a whole generation come to Jesus

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and follow him and it would be 
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Have you only thing I'd want to 
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perfectly formulated. 
Process that we would expect 

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people to implement on the 
contrary. 

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We're frankly coming with more 
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answers. 
Yep, we presented a possibility 

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and we would love for you as 
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leaders to Tinker and to play 
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especially make it organic, so 
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specific needs of the young 
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And, of course, make it Spirit 
lead, pray and discern. 

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How is God asking you to utilize
why disciple resources Alpha 

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resources or One else has 
resources out there or your own 

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resources that you're working on
in creating because the Holy 

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Spirit has been guiding you in 
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transformational culture. 
All right guys, we're in this 

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special transformation, Focus 
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But that doesn't mean we're 
going to slide away from my 

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favorite question to end things 
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If you got 10 minutes to sit 
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To talk about this concept of 
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What is the last point? 
You want to make sure to leave 

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them with the most important 
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can feel like drinking from a 
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Right? 
You know, there's so much and 

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and we can say on one side. 
Like that's that's so much, I 

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can't have time for that. 
I'm just going to maintain the 

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status quo and then on the other
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concept of trying to throw the 
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Right. 
Like, I'm going to throw my 

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entire Ministry and we're going 
to do. 

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X, Y, or Z? 
You know why disciple? 

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Alpha told me he's like oh no, 
no, no. 

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You did not say that but my 
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small to to take time and 
discern. 

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Where the Lord is calling you to
transform. 

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Yeah. 
Start start small but don't stay

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small. 
Hmm we always talk about. 

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We talk about My disciple, think
mustard seed to movement, right?

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Start with one small thing and 
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because know the Lord wants to 
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He wants to do something big 
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do one thing. 
What's one area of your ministry

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where you're going to apply 
this? 

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You were telling us earlier 
about a book called The one 

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thing. 
Yeah. 

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One of my favorites. 
It's by Dan Keller of Keller 

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Williams Realty so it's not 
better. 

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Yeah. 
Okay. 

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It's not a Christian book. 
All only author I've ever 

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written a book to and said this 
changed everything for me. 

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I got a car back so that was 
kind of cool but the concept is 

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that as specially as westerners 
we have a tendency of trying to 

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do all the things right and 
multitasking is considered a 

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virtue but when we multitask we 
actually do nothing. 

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Well and in the main thread in 
the book is what is the one 

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thing? 
What is the one thing that I can

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do? 
Do in fill in the blank in, in 

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my Ministry, in my my exercise 
in my marriage, in my work. 

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What is the one thing that I can
do that by doing that one thing 

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makes everything else easier or 
unnecessary? 

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Hmm, one thing. 
And I started to ask that 

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question in Ministry and it and 
my Ministry started to shift and

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it started to improve and some 
things became easier and other 

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things became unnecessary. 
That's fantastic. 

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I think for me, the One thing I 
would want to leave our youth 

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ministry Leaders with is to just
be hopeful, we have covered so 

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much ground, we've explored so 
many ways in which we can begin 

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to improve our systems and our 
vision and our orientation. 

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As we strive to serve the 21st 
century church. 

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And frankly, we could take a 
mentality that this is daunting.

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But this is way too hard for all
of us. 

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We could see how far we could 
potentially have to go and just 

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be deflated by it or Or we could
remember that this is a Spirit 

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Led exercise and that the holy 
spirit is giving us great dreams

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and giving us great visions and 
is inspiring us to go where we 

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have the potential to go. 
And as long as we're doing it, 

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one more thing at a time, 
building, and building and 

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building. 
Then there's no reason we 

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shouldn't be encouraged and 
hopeful about everything that 

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could be possible for this 
church. 

468
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Hmm. 
How about you Jordan? 

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There's lots of things that run 
through my mind, maybe if I, 

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I'll get to one thing. 
But it's art. 

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We'll just we'll just record it 
all over again. 

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Yeah. 
But I just want to encourage 

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everyone, listening that what 
you do matters, what you do, it 

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matters. 
It matters a lot and you may 

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feel discouraged right now but 
as maybe I'm the voice coming 

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through, whatever you're 
listening to that, what you do 

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matters and hopefully, this was 
encouraging to you. 

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But if I was to do the one thing
like, say of all this that we 

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just talked about maybe one 
thing, May I suggest that you 

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lean in to the Holy Spirit, lean
into Reliance in the holy spirit

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because that will be the 
beginning of how all the rest of

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this will unfold. 
And because God wants to lead 

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you where he wants to take you 
and where he wants to take 

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others. 
And so we have to go there 

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first. 
So, that's what I would say. 

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For a for you, one thing, lean 
into the holy That rely on the 

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Holy Spirit. 
What does that look like for 

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your ministry? 
Personally, for your ministry, 

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for your family? 
If you're a dad, like me, was it

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mean for your family? 
Yeah. 

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All of it. 
Why don't we go ahead? 

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Then and close this out. 
Can I ask each of you to pray 

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for all of our listeners? 
All of our guests? 

494
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Yeah. 
And inviting the Holy Spirit. 

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Come Holy Spirit. 
Come Holy Spirit. 

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Come Holy Spirit. 
Holy Spirit, we ask that you you

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rain down On all of the people 
who are dedicated to serving 

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young people in the church that 
you inspire the hearts of your 

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faithful to reach out in new 
ways, with new Artur, bringing 

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them back to the same gospel. 
because we know that that a 

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young person's life is better 
with Jesus in it than without we

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ask that you inspire those 
people in the trenches. 

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Volunteer, paid everything in 
between. 

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To be committed to 
transformation in their 

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Ministry. 
Whatever that's going to look 

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like in their context Lord that 
you would be king and they would

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lean on your inspiration in all 
that they are doing. 

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Hello. 
Are we pray for renewal? 

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what we do, pray that you would 
fill every person listening to 

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this podcast With Your Love. 
God, did you refresh them? 

511
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That you would in some way show 
them again that you are living 

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water. 
Lord, we need you. 

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This generation needs you. 
Give us courage, Lord. 

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Help us. 
Help us as we lean in. 

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Would you guide us and give us 
strength? 

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Would you would you highlight 
others that we can walk with in 

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this? 
And bring about something for 

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this generation. 
Feels like a tsunami but a 

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really good one. 
So Rises the Tide Lord, we need 

520
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it. 
And we ask all this with an in 

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Jesus Christ, Our Savior, amen. 
Well, thank you guys so much for

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joining us throughout this 
journey of the youth ministry 

523
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mindset podcast. 
I've been your host. 

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Josh danis joined with Jordan 
Berry and any grandal. 

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It's been a lot of fun for us to
have these conversations and 

526
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we're looking forward to your 
questions and your thoughts, 

527
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:54,600
your stories and hopefully to 
connecting with you online, 

528
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social media, and even in your 
city as well. 

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00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,200
You've been listening to the 
youth ministry mindset podcast, 

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00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,800
Thanks again, we'll see you 
soon. 

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