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Welcome to Heat Cast, the 
official podcast of He Changed 

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It. 
As always, I am Mike Chisholm as

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always. 
I am so excited to be here and 

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to talk about the world of men's
mental Wellness in all of the 

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facets and pathways that we 
explore in that topic. 

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Obviously, we are the official 
podcast of He Changed It. 

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If you haven't downloaded the He
Changed It app, what are you 

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Waiting for? 
It has never looked better. 

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Things are happening behind the 
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It's, I know I'm a broken record
when it comes to that, but it's 

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just really exciting to watch 
this thing grow. 

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And at the end of the day, you 
know he changed. 

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It is the first men's mental 
Wellness platform that has been 

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created and we're incredibly 
proud of of what's been 

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happening and what is going to 
happen now. 

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We have been in partnership for 
some special episodes of he cast

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with a company called Telus for 
the Canadians. 

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You know what Telus is for other
people around the world, you 

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might not necessarily know who 
they are. 

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Telus is a massive, massive 
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Canada. 
Cell phone provider, broadcast 

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television provider, massive 
Internet provider. 

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And we went into and did a very 
cool program with Telus and in 

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it the result was 5 amazing 
episodes of he cast, which we 

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are now going to put out on our 
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The episodes are with a band, 
The band is called Proper Man 

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and a proper man is a local band
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members have a story. 
The entire band has a story. 

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And so as a narrative, all five 
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like Voltron, you know a whole 
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to make one super robot, kind of
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Each episode is amazing and I'm 
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have done. 
I'm so proud to be friends with 

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these guys and it's a pretty 
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So without further ado he cast 
the official podcast of He 

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Changed it would like to present
a proper man the he cast 

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Conversations Welcome to he cast
the official podcast of He 

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Changed It as always I am Mike 
Chisholm we are in the the five 

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part he cast presentation of 
proper man the he cast 

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conversations and and and Justin
Gordon is the drummer for proper

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man and Justin Gordon is a force
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He just is. 
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The energy that he has, the 
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knowledge that he has. 
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developing a friendship outside 
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this project. 
I gotten into his dad and just 

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Justin is a really awesome dude 
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I mean he pounds those drums 
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it's just an absolute. 
He's a ball of energy and he 

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attracts people and it is a just
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in this conversation. 
I can't wait for the reaction 

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from everybody for this one. 
So without further ado, he cast 

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the official podcast of He 
Changed It presents Justin 

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Gordon Who is Justin Gordon to 
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The proper man. 
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Definitely a lot of energy, a 
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rock, strong heart. 
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Like he's he's the guy who I'll 
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you know, kicking the dirt and 
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Bing. 
I love you, brother, and it 

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happens all the time. 
Justin's that guy who's just 

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really kind of lifting people 
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him. 
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be quiet, he gets mad at me, but
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he's hitting a little bit too 
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Just a beautiful, beautiful 
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Going through the drummer thing 
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was almost ready to stop. 
It's just life. 

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I've got, you know, 3 little 
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I'm running all the time and 
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down. 
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definitely gave me something, 
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I like to do things for other 
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with the band and watching the 
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energy to put a lot into it, to 
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for them because that's where I 
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other people have fun or build 
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So yeah, he's, he's the band. 
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He did. 
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does a very good drum solo. 
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on because it gets ugly. 
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Yeah. 
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Yeah, founded by two drummers. 
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when they brought me in was, I 
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tonics or if it was just maybe, 
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get back into a band. 
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Did they give you notes, like, 
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just one of those things where 
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we going to put behind that kick
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magnifying glasses and all that?
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it. 
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water? 
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I'll give a Reader's Digest 
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those who came before me in the 
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Not that they need protection. 
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as you heard the line was on on 
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As you know, Travis and I are 
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And you know all these other 
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INS and outs when when Roerman 
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And Petri can talk to you more 
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you more about this. 
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getting back together and and 
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making music. 
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had this identity of like, oh, 
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going to play shows. 
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to write music. 
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you know, they got a few guys in
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it's like they had a band But 
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reasons and I know all of them, 
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they're absolutely wonderful 
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Like they really are. 
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like I'm pointed on, but they 
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All these guys are a class 
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It's just it just didn't work 
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I know that sometimes and this 
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if this would be in the 
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speculation, but I know some 
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jamming Top 40 stuff. 
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perform. 
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there's backing tracks and so 
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The entire song. 
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loose or B, you know, maybe a 
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stuff up. 
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I don't know. 
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For one reason or another, it 
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Now it was it was late March in 
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because Nori and I have known 
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Where's the connection? 
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So that dude and I go decently 
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just being best friends. 
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and his brother Neil is in 
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too salt to the earth people. 
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So he he texts me a couple years
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It was 20/17/2016 goes, hey, you
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I said man. 
From all the touring and all the

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session work and all the other 
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just wasn't ready to get back 
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I had been in a band before 
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to me or told to me that 
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was not cool apparently. 
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It ended up being an unfortunate
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blood at the end of it. 
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it's unfortunate how it ended. 
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really another and so I I had 
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being perfectly honest and open.
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and I was really enjoying 
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I was just having a blast with 
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That was my thing, you know, I I
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still due to this day. 
I just love going to work. 

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And the teachers there call me 
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Most of them teach 3035 hours. 
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Just teaching. 
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Just drums. 
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I just focus on that. 
That's my main thing. 

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Like what are the age ranges in 
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The age range of the students. 
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actually my niece and I love her
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She's 5 and so like I actually 
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A few things that I've learned 
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kids at A at a very young age 
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coordination with notations so 
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The notes aren't just these 
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It's like oh pink is snare drum 
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and different colours. 
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well 5:00, well into even some 
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Sometimes it's just easier to 
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and and all the way up to 22. 
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maybe just with COVID recently 
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and also to the connection that 
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lot of them parents are coming 
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thought he would be done at 
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And he's telling us, like, no, 
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you know, the local college 
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keep drum lessons going. 
And so that's a really cool 

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thing, right? 
You know when you when you have 

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that kind of connection with 
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really a Big Brother to them And
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involvement in general coming 
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When Nori texted me, he texted 
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It was March 30th and he texted 
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He goes, hey you want to be 
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And I said, yeah, I actually 
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I I just was in a right place. 
Maybe it was the day. 

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Maybe it was whatever. 
Now did you know maybe I had a 

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really good Americano. 
I didn't. 

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And this is my favorite part of 
the whole story and it's really 

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nothing crazy of a story. 
I what what's insane is is I had

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done a recording on drums for a 
guy in the wine industry and he 

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had very unfortunately his 
sister had passed due to 

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situation. 
I'm sure you had heard about 

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that and it was a very sad, very
sad situation and and Nori had 

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told me about it and he says 
he's he's written a song and you

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just need drums laid to it. 
And so this was back and I'm 

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going to get their year wrong 
probably was maybe 20/16/2017 

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And so I put drums to it. 
I in a in a heartbeat I said 

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yeah, I mean that's the the 
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alone just this guy. 
You know I've always been 

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passionate about people who want
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anything. 
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yeah, lay drums to it, put the 
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Little did I know that was 
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And so I meet, I meet Jason. 
We put the two and two together.

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He knew it was you that laid the
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For the I believe so. 
You should actually ask. 

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I'm pretty sure he did. 
Because this guy knows, like, 

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this guy knows everybody, right?
Like Jay, Jay's that guy, right.

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So we go literally just over to 
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He goes, hey Justin, Jason, want
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face 45 minute lunch. 
I I was in the middle of one of 

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those crazy days, just like 
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it was 45 minutes that changed 
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I had never connected with a 
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people. 
I do find that I do connect well

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with people. 
Pride myself on that, 'cause I 

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feel like that's important, 
'cause we only get so many days 

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on this earth. 
And plus when you're teaching 

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with teaching. 
When you're like, like, like 

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like, how important is it you're
in a band like this? 

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Part of this is, you know, the 
idea of men's mental health. 

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I love the idea of talking to a 
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day, you've got all these 
different perspectives, all 

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these different personalities, 
these different things that when

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you mash them together, well, 
it's harmony. 

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Yeah, but what's the opposite of
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Right. 
Like relationship skills. 

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Yeah, so. 1000. 
Percent and and Jason is a 

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connector, too. 
He connects with people too, So 

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I can imagine that lunch would 
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Been a It was like it was just 
the three of us. 

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It was Nori, Jason and I, and it
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it was crazy. 
Just comes in is and I love him 

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to death. 
He's like one of my favorite 

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human beings. 
He comes in, he's got this like 

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very burly, like old sweater. 
And he comes in with his flat 

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cap. 
And again, you got to remember, 

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it's like I've been told, like 
guy who owns all these wineries.

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And he comes in. 
Yeah, kind of. 

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Right. 
Well, that's that's what people 

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because I did look him up a 
little bit. 

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I don't want to know who I'm 
meeting and who I'm talking to, 

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you know, being an academic, I 
do my research. 

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So I, I, I come in and he just 
comes in. 

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He's got these, these tattoos 
and he's just got these things 

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and I'm just like this guy's 
just like the most down to earth

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person I've ever met. 
Anyway, I just connected with 

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him. 
It was like, I don't know, just 

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like our minds, our hearts just 
went and it was like I left 

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there going I'm 1000% in that 
band. 

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A few weeks later, we had a 
rehearsal. 

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And let me tell you, like, I've 
done rehearsals for artists and 

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done tryouts to be on tours and 
played all these big things in 

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studio session work in LA, for 
instance. 

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I've done all of that. 
I've never been so nervous in my

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life for an audition because it 
meant something different. 

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I it was almost like I wanted to
go into respect Nori and respect

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Jason. 
I find out later when I get 

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there. 
I'm like, oh, Travis actually 

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was a part of a church that my 
wife had gone to for years. 

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So Kristen had known him 
forever, and he had been a big 

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player in the scene and stuff, 
and we had crossed paths a few 

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times. 
And it was just like, I'm like, 

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are you kidding me? 
Like, the only guy I actually 

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had to fully meet was like 
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And even that that guy just was 
at his house last night. 

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He's just like when you talk 
about all these different 

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personalities in the band. 
Everybody in this band 

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specifically would run in front 
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And I know that's usually a dank
way of explaining it, but it's 

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it's for me, it's more of the 
the the chemistry is so genuine 

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and so easy. 
Do we have our arguments? 

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Yeah. 
Most of the time it's just 

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around song parts when we're 
putting our tracks together. 

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That might be the most, but it's
always just surface stuff. 

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It's never like nobody ever 
makes it personal. 

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Nobody ever. 
Because when it comes to the 

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personal side of it, we're all 
there to look out for each 

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other. 
At the end of the day, if 

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someone's hurting in the band or
someone's voice isn't being 

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heard, the rest of us rally and 
go no speak because this is 

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important and Jason is is really
a master at doing that to to 

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extend the point, even with 
shows and how we've built this 

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and how we've put this all 
together, Jason will even get 

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approval on certain shows from 
the wives in the band because he

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doesn't. 
And he's explained it very 

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detailed to me. 
He says he doesn't want this to 

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be a band where it's band first,
family second, it's family 

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first, band second. 
It's very simple process. 

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But I'm telling you right now, I
don't think there's a single 

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band or artist out there that's 
doing. 

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And if there is, forgive me 
because I'm not trying to hate. 

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I'm just saying, like, I had 
never seen that in all of my 

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years laying, whether I was 
laying for a solo artist or 

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whether I was laying in another 
band. 

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I just never seen something 
where it was like so simple, yet

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so consistent. 
The communication is very good 

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with us. 
There are, again, there's 

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sometimes we Jason jokes that we
do need a band manager, because 

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I think it's getting to the 
point now with doing all of 

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these shows and doing these new 
tracks and there's. 

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A momentum happening for this? 
Band well, and that's just it, 

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right? 
He wants to make sure that it's 

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all in front of us and it makes 
sense. 

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But this this whole thing, I 
mean he went out of his way to 

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put our wives pictures, got a 
photo shoot with them all and 

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our wives are up on the wall 
like little things like that 

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carry a bigger weight than 
anything musically. 

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So when I get up on that stage, 
when I sit down and I put the 

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first metronome on on that TM6, 
when I hit that first moment and

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and and we're all bobbing back 
and forth because we're all 

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freak shows, right? 
We're all a bunch of weirdos and

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we're bobbing back and forth. 
I lock into this thing where I'm

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going I'm going to war with my 
four brothers and we want to 

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give every damn person in this 
room the time of their life. 

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I will never show up and play a 
show half assed because if I do,

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that shouldn't be in music. 
I I'm getting goosebumps. 

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You smash those drums and I love
watching you smash those drums 

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and in the preparation for for 
this, I've seen you guys perform

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probably a ten dozen times over 
this last, you know. 

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Sorry, I bet you're here. 
No, it's fantastic. 

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I love it so, so much. 
Awesome. 

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Jay, a front man who started as 
a as a drummer. 

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Yeah, you a drummer started as a
guitar player You like. 

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OK. 
So where did you know you wanted

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to be a drummer? 
Obviously it's we're all in our 

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progressions. 
You know we try little things 

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and they lead to other little 
things that lead to other little

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things that lead to the the gold
mine, to where we we feel like 

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we are. 
When I watch you on that stage, 

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I see you being you in a purest 
form of some sort. 

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We all have our different purest
forms, husbands, fathers, 

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whatever. 
But but I see you and you are 

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literally being you in your 
purest form. 

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It is very obvious watching you 
perform that, that is that's you

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just turned up to 1111, right? 
When did you, how long did it 

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take to go from guitar over to 
drum and then to be locked in 

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and going OK, no, I want to 
really go for this. 

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So I I would have brought my mom
to this interview and she could 

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have told you a bit of that 
insight, because the truth of 

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the matter is that that woman is
one of my favorite people of all

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time. 
She's a St. from the age of 

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three. 
I was ripping pots and pans. 

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I was that drummer. 
I was that kid. 

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That's the story. 
I know you've probably heard 

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that story a few times but I 
really was just pulling 

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everything and anything out of 
the thing, which is funny when, 

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you know, dad got me this, this 
and it, it was great. 

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It was that Fender red with the 
white on pickguard Squire 

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guitar. 
I was like, that was it. 

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And I and for a little while I 
was like, man, this is really 

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cool. 
Like I could do stuff and I got 

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into it and I was like, I'm not 
feeling this it probably because

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I couldn't smash it. 
I mean, I mean let's be honest. 

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So my dad when he pulled out 
this kit, now this kit was 19. 

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I think it was 1973 Ludwig drum 
kit. 

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The Toms used to be old double 
snares. 

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I mean, this drum kit was trash 
on trash. 

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That being said, it was mine. 
And when he put that in the 

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room, my dad, my my both, my 
parents absolutely loving. 

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I grew up with everything you 
could ask for, you know, with 

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with love and care and attention
and everything else. 

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I very fortunate. 
I know being in the industry I'm

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in with teaching, that's just 
just doesn't happen as much as 

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it absolutely should nowadays. 
So you know my dad caught on 

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pretty quick, wasn't vibing with
it. 

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OK, that's cool. 
Let's get in this drum kit. 

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This is all we got right now. 
We didn't grow up with a ton of 

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money. 
What we had instead was values 

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and and love and everything 
else. 

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And so that's where I, you know,
for me that was way better than 

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any. 
I had friends in $1,000,000 

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mansions and they had way less 
than I did the way I look at it,

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and that's always the way I've 
looked at it. 

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There's been a theme along this 
so far already. 

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The ability to recognize and to 
hear each other. 

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You talk about it in the band. 
We wanna make sure that the 

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people in the band hear yeah, 
you think about your dad who 

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didn't just try and shoehorn you
to do something he wanted you to

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be into. 
He. 

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Heard you and I think that that 
is an example as men that we 

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like. 
I know it's an example for men 

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in marriage. 
They've written volumes of books

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and books and books about how 
men, when it comes to 

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relationships with their wives, 
that sort of thing. 

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Be good at just listening. 
Two ears, one mouth. 

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Don't just try and steamroll, 
right. 

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And it. 
Sounds like you came from an 

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environment and still have 
perpetuated an environment for 

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others where hearing the other 
person is extremely important. 

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Absolutely. 
Sounds like that's very 

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important to you. 
I had my parents were the type 

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where I was very fortunate to 
excel in math and science. 

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I could have gone to university 
from Med school, and my parents 

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were like, just do something 
you're happy and something that 

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makes you happy. 
And so I ended up going for 

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music instead, which a lot of 
parents would just be like. 

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Are you insane? 
Yeah. 

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How do you monetize? 
Your kid could have been making,

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you know, 400,000 a year, having
a terrible social life and 

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whatever. 
No offense to doctors, they 

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notiful people thank you, not 
you. 

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It's not. 
But it's just not who I was 

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because I was. 
I may be good at something, it 

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doesn't mean you need to pursue 
it or something. 

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And case in point, I was good at
drums. 

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But the thing was, at the end of
the day, they knew what made me 

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happy. 
So you know when my dad got me 

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the drum kit and this is going 
to age me a bit or make some 

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people older than me mad and you
can tell Jay I said this. 

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My first album was Big Shiny 
Tunes 2. 

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That's all I had at the time. 
So I put it on and I put it down

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and I put the CD player, This 
is, I had this, the little 

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ghetto blaster, and I had to put
it up on the windowsill and move

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my drums in such an awkward 
position. 

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My room was a mess. 
Parents are cool with it, I 

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hope. 
But I had the ghetto blaster 

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right next to my head and this 
is probably where I and I'll 

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never forget Song 2 by Blur. 
And I'm just like, I'm like yes.

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And it was just like at that 
point it was off and then it was

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album after album after album 
and it was just non-stop in 

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Salmon Arm which is where I was 
at the time growing up small 

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town British Columbia. 
Yep. 

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Yep. 
Not really any music teachers. 

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I had some band teachers, couple
guys that were really nice guys,

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but I I don't know, I just they 
didn't really do much with the 

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percussion side of stuff. 
It was always like oh you're 

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insane. 
You go to the back there and 

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play some drums and hit a 
triangle or something and and so

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I I it was really just 
self-taught right off the rip. 

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So the first like I can't I I'm 
just trying to quantize. 

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It's been so long now trying to 
figure this out maybe the first 

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eight years of my life which is 
all self-taught, just non-stop, 

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non-stop, non-stop. 
Now my dad was in some churches 

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and organizations and stuff, and
I did get opportunities to play 

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with churches and bands and 
stuff and because a lot. 

448
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,960
Of good musicians inside some of
those churches too. 100% oh, 

449
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,200
1000% really. 
And so that was really where I 

450
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,720
got my start to play. 
And it was like, I just loved 

451
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,920
playing. 
I'm I do not find myself and I 

452
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,600
don't know if this is too much 
information needed or not. 

453
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,880
I don't find myself a religious 
person any way, shape or form. 

454
00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:08,320
I just I'm really anti religion 
in a lot of ways because I feel 

455
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,520
like people should have free 
will to choose for themselves 

456
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,000
and and and who and be who they 
want to be. 

457
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,120
It doesn't fit in line with the 
rest of my thinking. 

458
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,880
I will say this though, my 
parents always understood that 

459
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,320
and never pushed that on me 
personally. 

460
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,840
So it was always a safe place 
for me just to play. 

461
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,400
Whether it was rock music or 
maybe like Newsboys or DC Talk, 

462
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,840
which was some Christian rock 
which they were cool with either

463
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,400
they were always just 
supportive. 

464
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,400
At the end of the day my so my 
mom was the biggest St. in the 

465
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,520
world because she was like she 
would just be like, yeah, just 

466
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,280
play. 
So I yeah, I when I'm talking 

467
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,160
about playing remember I'm good 
at math and science in school 

468
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,320
and I'm half decent so I would 
have my homework done most days 

469
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,760
coming home. 
So when I came home I was just 

470
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,680
like mom, I'm done. 
Boom, down to the room. 

471
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,640
And it was like until dinner and
then after dinner until my 

472
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,320
parents were like, literally, 
you've got to go to bed. 

473
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,200
And I had an acoustic drum kit. 
So again, the patience on that 

474
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,600
woman was insane. 
So, but it was what built the 

475
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:13,040
foundation for my ability to 
play with music and I even in my

476
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,040
own teaching plot. 
Now I know that reading sheet 

477
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,840
music and learning drums in both
ways is very important. 

478
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,920
I try to be like AI, always want
my drummers to be a dual threat 

479
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,960
drummer where they can read 
theory and the ear because it's 

480
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,800
like learning. 
If I went and learned Spanish 

481
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,640
tomorrow but never spoke it with
anybody, never went to Mexico or

482
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,080
Spain and never just never 
applied it, why would I learn 

483
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,440
the language? 
What's the point? 

484
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,720
So same thing, music is a 
language. 

485
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,320
If you're going to learn it, 
you're going to spend that much 

486
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,800
time doing Rosetta Stone, you 
know, taking lessons and all 

487
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,240
this other stuff with drumming, 
Why are you not exercising the 

488
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,240
point? 
And then on top of that, I find,

489
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,400
you know, the passions with it 
that come so my, you know, and I

490
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,080
was going through all these 
different bands and I just 

491
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,760
couldn't stop playing my auntie 
on my mom's side. 

492
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,640
She gave me a couple Prince 
records and that was the first 

493
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,720
time I heard John Blackwell 
Junior, which is one of my 

494
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,480
drumming idols. 
And it was just like I was like,

495
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,360
yes. 
And so it was, I was very 

496
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:12,280
diversified due to the church 
playing gospel stuff due to my 

497
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,840
parents. 
Cool with me playing any kind of

498
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,000
run grunge rock, right. 
Because it was rating that the 

499
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,080
90s baby I was living and alive 
in the 90s, right. 

500
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,280
Yeah, exactly. 
And then having that side of 

501
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,440
like Prince and listening to 
like more session type music and

502
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,000
pop man, I looking back at it 
now is super fortunate because 

503
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,840
too many people I talk to or or 
or teach they got blinders on. 

504
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:38,720
Oh yeah, and I can. 
Anything outside of metal sucks,

505
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,760
or anything outside of pop sucks
or anything else I'm like, I OK,

506
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,440
what's? 
One of the things I love about 

507
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,840
Proper Man, one of the things I 
love about Proper Man is that 

508
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:52,720
it's hard to it's hard to throw 
you into any one particular 

509
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,240
genre or sub genre you guys will
play. 

510
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,880
Yeah, it kind of was I I I don't
know if I would even word it 

511
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,200
like that. 
And the reason why was because 

512
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,480
the music list I got when I 
first started and this comes 

513
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,920
back to that first rehearsal 
with them, I was kind of scared.

514
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:14,360
Doubly scared because the music 
I had listened to now, I had 

515
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:16,640
come out of some like I'd been 
on Vans Warped Tour with some 

516
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,400
bands. 
I had done a lot of like heavy 

517
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,200
punk rock and like even post 
hardcore work with some bands. 

518
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,960
So for me to come out of that 
and go this is like new wave and

519
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,080
the the the Toms are triggered 
and everything sounds and their 

520
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:36,400
drummer previous to them was 
more of wording this correctly. 

521
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,520
So it doesn't sound slanders it 
just it was just very like very 

522
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,560
much using the triggers it was 
quieter drummer, more reserved 

523
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,440
in that kind of pocket feel with
the with the IT just fit the new

524
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,720
wave thing a little bit more 
yeah. 

525
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,640
So when I came in, I felt a 
little bit, and I still do to 

526
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,440
this day. 
But Jason is very gracious with 

527
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,560
it and honestly loves where 
we're going with it. 

528
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,320
He really does. 
He keeps telling me this, and 

529
00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,640
that's what I mean. 
I don't know if he's telling me 

530
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,760
this to make myself feel good or
not, but but he does tell me 

531
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,360
like, the sound is getting 
heavier. 

532
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,920
I came in and he's like, be you 
so proper man. 

533
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,000
When you hear songs like I Drink
or a pub night, they sound 

534
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,600
drastically different than you, 
me and OMD or some of these 

535
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,920
bigger songs. 
And that's really you know, 

536
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,480
guilty as charged I guess. 
I just came in and I was like, 

537
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,400
yeah, because I'm like I told 
him from the get go. 

538
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,480
I mean I could pull back. 
I have I've session work 

539
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,440
background in me. 
I can do all these things. 

540
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,160
But he there was just an element
of the animal on stage type of 

541
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,200
thing that he I said I assumed 
that he liked and again you can 

542
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:47,480
ask him further on this but yeah
for me it was it was just the 

543
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,240
ability to be me on stage and I 
think that's really what you're 

544
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,520
seeing. 
And at the end of the day 

545
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:57,360
because I growing up in church, 
I was told often hey like pull 

546
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,200
it back like you're a little 
out, like a little out. 

547
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,800
And I was always a loud drummer 
I just always was and it wasn't 

548
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,840
like a dynamic issue. 
I don't say well it was early on

549
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,840
for sure and and then I got 
education. 

550
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,240
I got my edge invocation in the 
old dynamics and drumming and I 

551
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,720
I learned how to play with 
feeling and balance and also 

552
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,520
stuff. 
But but it's just the music is 

553
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,760
just specifically wired and 
geared and you I don't know if 

554
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,680
Jason showed you some of the new
stuff we've got but it's just. 

555
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,120
Oh yeah, I'm going to ask you. 
Big anthemic music. 

556
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:26,240
Sorry. 
Yeah, I get ahead on the 

557
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,680
interview, but yeah, so at the 
end of the day, man, I grew up 

558
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,320
with parents who loved me and 
cared about the direction of 

559
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,680
which I wanted to do music and 
life in general. 

560
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,520
They just wanted me to be happy.
My dad grew up in gangs, ran 

561
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,320
away at 13, did the gang thing 
with his brother. 

562
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,080
My mom ran away from home at 16 
to a terrible, terrible family 

563
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,720
situation. 
They could have been completely 

564
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,800
dysfunctional, but they rallied 
and turned it into something 

565
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,360
Where again, speaking to that 
awareness and taking care of me.

566
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,840
And then when I met Kristen, 
who's now my wife of Do the math

567
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,320
Justin, really quick 8 to 8 to 
2216 years. 

568
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,840
Love you, sweetheart. 
Sorry, I'm just bad at the math 

569
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,800
thing. 
A drummer says that right. 

570
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,160
She's not going to do that 
anyway. 

571
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,760
My beautiful wife whom I met in 
2006 and has been with she's my 

572
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,960
ride or die. 
She also has a similar situation

573
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,240
where she moves in that where 
it's just like people should be 

574
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,920
who they want to be. 
And and and really just lean 

575
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,600
into the awareness of letting 
people be who they want to be 

576
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,120
and love and support them for 
that. 

577
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,880
And if you can't do that, what 
are we doing? 

578
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,920
Well OK, I've gotta, I've gotta 
because, I mean you've mentioned

579
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,320
this in two or three different 
ways. 

580
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,320
The fact that your parents 
allowed you to do this. 

581
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,080
The fact that you're you're band
you came into this band and and 

582
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,040
I think a lot of men out there 
today are in a place we're in a 

583
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,680
post me too world where there's 
a lot of guys who are feeling 

584
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:58,200
the need to conform out of for 
whatever reason for whatever 

585
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,400
reason. 
Whether it's fear of keeping a 

586
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,560
job whether it's fear of of the 
past whether it's whatever that 

587
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:08,960
might be you know but but but 
there's a there's this this this

588
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,720
part where it's like no you got 
to conform and and and you know 

589
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,840
you coming into proper man 
saying Oh yeah you know I'd be 

590
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,600
willing to to conform and then 
the the opposite though was like

591
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:23,200
no no no you go be you and we'll
see how you being you adds a 

592
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,520
dimension an extra dimension 
something different. 

593
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,800
And I think that that's what we 
as men need to do. 

594
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,480
I mean we need to be able to 
hear yes we need to be able to 

595
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,200
hear what's going on what's 
happened. 

596
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,280
You know the the ramifications 
of things But at the same time 

597
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,480
we're not gonna make the world a
better place if we're also just 

598
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,440
conforming. 
So we need to hear, but we also 

599
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,840
need to be us and we need to 
move forward. 

600
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,560
That's what I'm hearing with. 
Yeah, and even the conforming 

601
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,160
thing for me with the music was 
always that was just me being 

602
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,800
sensitive to what they had going
on. 

603
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,360
I was coming in as an I was 
coming. 

604
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:58,280
I was on their turf until it was
probably really fairly quickly. 

605
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,200
The band's kind of got a crazy 
history since I had joined 

606
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,040
because Nori's wife had gone 
through a severe medical 

607
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,680
situation. 
So he wasn't able to do many 

608
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,520
shows, but he flew back for just
one show and it was that first 

609
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,000
show that we did in May. 
That was May 4th, 2019. 

610
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,800
Remember, it's still to this, 
like acutely remember it. 

611
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,160
And it was this little house 
party. 

612
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,160
Well, I want to say little, but 
Jay's house, like in that 

613
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,800
basement, that was like, it was 
88 people in there, something 

614
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,960
just under 90 people. 
And it was that was the moment 

615
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,720
where I was like, OK, I'm part 
of the band now, but they but 

616
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,400
they always made me feel 
welcome. 

617
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,320
It wasn't that. 
It was for my own making sure 

618
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,440
that I fit. 
And I was like, OK, I'm right 

619
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,160
for this band. 
That's why I fit. 

620
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,120
And it was never a thing of OK, 
they're making me feel like I 

621
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,200
fit, dude, they they put on like
a feast. 

622
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,920
The first rehearsed, I said holy
crap, like, so they they got the

623
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,000
pool out. 
They got the the the whole feast

624
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,720
thing going on. 
Everybody's just chilling. 

625
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,120
We hung out. 
I've never been in a band where 

626
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,960
we just hung out for like 2 
hours before we even played any 

627
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,920
music. 
I'm like, what is like, what is 

628
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,040
this? 
But this is exactly where I need

629
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,520
to be because not only is it 
good for my own soul and 

630
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,520
mentality, but it's something 
that I feel like I can openly be

631
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,920
myself and bring to the others 
as well and the family members 

632
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,560
from them. 
So everybody's family like you 

633
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,480
know, I love you know, Angie and
Nikki and Kristen and Christy 

634
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,440
just as much as I love the boys.
Like it's all one just tight 

635
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,480
knit family with this group. 
So I I don't know, man. 

636
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,360
I it's I I always say being in 
this band is like playing 

637
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,040
Nintendo with a game. 
Genie Dan's got their own venue.

638
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,400
They don't have to ever pack up.
And any drummer out there, you 

639
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,280
know, right. 
I'm going to leave my sticks 

640
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,520
back there. 
This is the greatest homeless 

641
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,640
advantage of. 
Anything. 

642
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,320
I mean, come on, man. 
Right. 

643
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,640
And then. 
But here's the thing, as as as 

644
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,800
wonderful as all this is, that's
not even what I'm talking about.

645
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,560
It's that chemistry and it's 
that family first band second 

646
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,320
thing that we've been able to 
keep and keep effortlessly and 

647
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,960
naturally through this whole 
sequence. 

648
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,360
And I just, I don't know, man, 
it just gets me like borderline 

649
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,880
emotional because I'm, you know,
I just and so again, probably 

650
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,040
coming back to this a lot 
because my brain will and but 

651
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,800
that's when I get up there. 
All of those things, I don't 

652
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,360
think of them acutely, 
individually. 

653
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,000
They come in as one, like 
thought and one ball of thought.

654
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,200
And it's just like, all right, 
we're going to war. 

655
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,520
This is happening. 
I'm not leaving that stage until

656
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,240
I play, you know, because in a 
in any given, if I play, we had 

657
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,960
a recording. 
I play 98 minutes the other 

658
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,040
night and play 98 minute show. 
You know, I'll play. 

659
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,600
I don't know what the math would
be on that. 

660
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,720
Probably close to like over 
100,000 notes in a show. 

661
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,600
OK, I don't know if that's like 
over or under, but I want to 

662
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,920
nail as many of those 100,000 
notes correctly as possible. 

663
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,480
Why not? 
Because I come off sounding like

664
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,160
God or perfect. 
Nothing like that. 

665
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,720
No, because then it makes 
Petrie's job easier. 

666
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,720
It makes Travis's job easier. 
It makes, you know, Nori and 

667
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,480
Jason's job easier. 
And they're all proud of what 

668
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,120
they're a part of. 
And we all, but we all do that. 

669
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,800
As a band, you guys have been 
there for each other and you are

670
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,480
actively there for each other. 
What are some ways that you've 

671
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,000
been there for each other? 
And you don't have to get too 

672
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,960
specific if you don't want to, 
but I'm just, I'm just and is 

673
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,679
this part of that magic that you
were talking about? 

674
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:15,120
You've been part of different 
bands and different, you know, 

675
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,600
musical iterations for your your
whole life. 

676
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,239
Is it always like that or is it 
this band special words like, Oh

677
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,679
my God, we are there for you 
because you guys have been there

678
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,679
for each other in multiple ways.
You referred to Nori's 

679
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,040
situation, how you guys all 
rally for each other. 

680
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,280
It seems that you will all rally
for each other If ever one of 

681
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,960
you is is is is in a weakened 
position, the rest of you rally 

682
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,600
for that person. 
Yeah. 

683
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,560
And accurate. 
Yeah, accurate, absolutely 

684
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,639
accurate. 
One of us was and I'm, I'm going

685
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:46,639
to keep it that vague. 
One of us was going through a 

686
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:53,639
medical situation a couple years
ago and it was affecting his 

687
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:58,200
ability to just feel normal, 
sleep, do anything. 

688
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,920
And we gave him the time, 
patience, everything we needed 

689
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,520
just to let him get through it 
until he got his surgery. 

690
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,680
And when he got his surgery, he 
bounced back and he's great and 

691
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,880
it's like things like that. 
It was a no brainer. 

692
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,360
It wasn't like, you know, well, 
OK, well, let's move on. 

693
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,680
Let's go get someone else in the
band at that, at that position 

694
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,720
or whatever. 
It was just like, no, like let's

695
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,360
ride this out with him. 
Let's get him, you know get him 

696
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,200
the help he needs. 
And I, Jay did extraordinary 

697
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,800
stuff even just to get that 
surgery day happening and and 

698
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,640
moved up and stuff and so I'll 
keep it vague again just for the

699
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,720
because it's not my place to 
necessarily speak and that's a 

700
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:33,200
protection thing for my boys as 
well. 

701
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,080
But. 
But at the end of the day that 

702
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,000
was something that happened and 
it was just like things like 

703
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,480
that or when we were recording 
the album there was a few drum 

704
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,080
parts that I really liked. 
Things like that where I was 

705
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,360
like I was super proud of it but
it didn't fit and serve the song

706
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,880
and it made the other parts 
maybe look a bit weaker or 

707
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,040
disjointed in areas. 
Take them out and it's not take 

708
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,960
not like fine take them out like
it was like no take them out 

709
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,320
please. 
Like I insist like it's no does 

710
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,640
not serve the song. 
It doesn't it it should never 

711
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,200
serve me. 
It only serves the song. 

712
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,440
So things like that as far as 
like day-to-day stuff. 

713
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,600
I I mean, I've, I've made trips 
out here or out wherever to come

714
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,800
and take care of something even 
though I live like, you know on 

715
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,960
the opposite side from here. 
And that's just from my end. 

716
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,960
I mean guys have been there for 
me through and through. 

717
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,320
Hear me out as you know with 
Nori and I's relationship and 

718
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,640
he's just always been for there.
But like, I sometimes will text 

719
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,160
Jay and some of the other guys 
randomly. 

720
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,440
Just be like, hey, love you. 
You're 1000% an absolute beauty.

721
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,480
Don't forget that. 
And things like that I feel are 

722
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,960
important to do with ones that 
you love. 

723
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,400
And just just quick reminders, 
'cause you don't know where 

724
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,480
they're at in their day and 
their week. 

725
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,200
We don't always get a chance to 
talk every single day. 

726
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,600
Like, I mean, Nori and I do just
'cause we work together. 

727
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,920
Sure. 
I mean, I'm sick of that guy, 

728
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:59,160
but no, I but you know, you 
don't always get you just you 

729
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,040
don't know. 
You don't know. 

730
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,640
And I've texted Jay that before 
and he's texted back and goes 

731
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,680
like, your timing is incredible.
How would I know that? 

732
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,760
Like is that and I'm not pulling
something out of my hat. 

733
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,800
All I'm doing is I'm just going 
hey thinking about you you're 

734
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,440
amazing love you. 
That's it. 

735
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,640
So things like that we're all 
very good doing it is it's a 

736
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:23,680
brotherhood for sure I can't 
like imagine and we I don't know

737
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,160
I don't even I I we could never 
I don't think we could ever add 

738
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:30,600
we're we're looking at I don't 
want to cat out of the baguette 

739
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,960
here but there's a project that 
we're thinking of doing side 

740
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,400
project probably still doing 
something doing a side project 

741
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,160
we might add another member 
another person. 

742
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,720
But it even when we were talking
about that I was like it just 

743
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,440
because this is so acutely its 
own thing. 

744
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,440
It just felt like it was like it
was almost weird to hear it or 

745
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,000
hear and the guys coming in is 
amazing but it's it's just a 

746
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,320
different project thing that 
we're doing on the side and it 

747
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:01,680
just kind of showed me like I 
could never I I could never 

748
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,520
imagine any single member being 
replaced or or changed out. 

749
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,400
I I I had to feel freaking 
weird. 

750
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,520
Case in point we shot a music 
video for one of our new songs 

751
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,160
the Fort the other day. 
Petrie couldn't make it he was 

752
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,720
physically like not in Kelowna. 
So we shot his parts without 

753
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:18,560
him, a lot of green screening 
and things like that. 

754
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,600
And then he shot his part 
separately and it just felt, I 

755
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,880
don't know, the shoot was great,
but it just, it felt weird. 

756
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,840
And I know it sounds goofy, 
almost like, but that's that's 

757
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,640
that vulnerable thing. 
We need to be able to talk about

758
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,000
that stuff, 'cause that toxic 
masculinity thing where it's 

759
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,160
like, it's just one of your Bros
is gone. 

760
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,520
Like, get over it, bro. 
Like, you know, don't sound, I 

761
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,120
don't want to say some of these 
these words, but like, you know,

762
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,280
toughen up like you don't. 
You don't, you don't need all 

763
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,600
your boys. 
I'm like, you know what? 

764
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,440
I love hanging with Petrie. 
It felt weird. 

765
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,240
I didn't like it. 
If you got a problem with that, 

766
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:48,720
I sorry, I don't know what to 
tell you. 

767
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:51,520
I feel bad for you because then 
if if you know if that's the way

768
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,640
that your brain is wired, 
someone's obviously affected you

769
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,800
enough years and I'm probably 
segueing this now into some of 

770
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,680
this, this where we're at a 
society, but. 

771
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,080
Yeah, you're kind of a pro. 
You're kind of a pro. 

772
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,080
Like, OK, so when? 
They don't give me a mic. 

773
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,440
Can you believe this? 
Like I have no microphone back. 

774
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,080
I got ones from my drums. 
Nothing from Mario. 

775
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,760
When when, when, when we showed 
up that night you guys were in 

776
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,160
the dimmer Amber Room and and 
and Jason introduced and said 

777
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,560
OK, there's this thing called he
changed it. 

778
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,840
It's being built here and they 
want to do a a a feature on 

779
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,240
proper man and and just talking 
about the idea of men's mental 

780
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:31,560
Wellness and trying to be an 
aid. 

781
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,920
They're trying to be a solution 
trying to be all these things. 

782
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,680
The band I, you know, I can't, I
can't, I cannot articulate well 

783
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,880
enough how lit up all of you 
were and instant, 

784
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,360
instantaneously in what about 
you know what he changed his 

785
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,480
doing this, this whole idea of 
what we're doing here with this 

786
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,640
what what, what appealed to you 
guys so much about that to you 

787
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,800
personally. 
To me personally, I've my whole 

788
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,680
life, career and being as a 
human being is to. 

789
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,280
Be as kind and and open and 
communicative with people as 

790
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,800
possible and make them feel like
they are belong. 

791
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,440
What is the one thing that 
everybody wants, right? 

792
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,840
They want to feel like they 
belong very much so and that can

793
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,200
so acutely play a role into 
where they are mentally. 

794
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,800
Say it's the only thing but it 
can play a massive role. 

795
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,240
You could have 1000 friends and 
still feel lonely you. 

796
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,080
Could be the loneliest man in 
the room exactly right. 

797
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,520
Absolutely. 
And so absolutely it's it's 

798
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:38,200
unique to think that like 
without that what do we have as 

799
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,360
people, What are what's inside 
of us. 

800
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,680
And then you take the, the the 
very real situation outside of 

801
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,880
that is that the, the, the 
mental situations and hurdles 

802
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,400
that people have. 
Some of the closest people in my

803
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,280
life have anxiety and depression
or ADHD which can drive on their

804
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,720
anxiety and things like that. 
It's very real. 

805
00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:00,360
And so when I hear people blow 
it off and go, oh, it's it's not

806
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,560
real. 
I I can't believe that we're 

807
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,280
just getting to this now in the 
last 10 years let's say over 

808
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,600
five years maybe where it's 
like, no, we should talk about 

809
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,240
this because you know hearing 
some of these stories, I was 

810
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,040
moved. 
There was a local guy I used to 

811
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,360
watch the Canucks. 
Corey Hirsch. 

812
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,360
I don't know if you've 
interviewed him or she, but his 

813
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,840
story is his story is insane and
and things like that. 

814
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,360
But could you imagine, like, I I
could. 

815
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,520
And this is where I I guess I am
thankful for where I am now. 

816
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:32,760
And that's why I try to be such 
an advocate for it is because 

817
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,120
when he was sitting on on the 
edge of that Cliff with that 

818
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,080
car, like who is he going to 
talk to? 

819
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,520
Because most of the guys 
probably would have been like, 

820
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,800
this is kind of weird bro. 
Like you, you just suck it up. 

821
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,040
Like, you know we grew up in a 
suck it up generation. 

822
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,720
As someone who played hockey as 
a kid very acutely, remember the

823
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,560
suck it up generation? 
Oh, your head hit the back of 

824
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,640
the post and you knock yourself,
you're fine. 

825
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,320
Get back in the game. 
You go through this or you're 

826
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,800
going through some life stuff, 
you're fine. 

827
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,120
Suck it up. 
And then people always pair it 

828
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,640
and like, oh, well, this guy has
it worse and he's fine. 

829
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,640
Is he? 
Why are we comparing this to 

830
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,440
that person's situation has to 
be taken seriously that 

831
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,840
situation and and it taken to 
the point where someone. 

832
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,280
I just want people to feel 
comfortable to talk to me about 

833
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,320
stuff. 
If I've just met you or if I've 

834
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,760
known you for 1000 years, I want
you to be able to talk to me 

835
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,120
about those things. 
So for you to come in when 

836
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,840
you're talking about heat 
changed and I started looking at

837
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,720
the app, I start to understand 
what you guys are doing. 

838
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,120
Yes, because here are the two 
most common things in the world.

839
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:38,920
At some point today, we're all 
going to open our app, go to 

840
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,840
Instagram, Twitter, whatever, 
right? 

841
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,960
We're going to open our apps, to
have an app and to have 

842
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,080
something that's so accessible 
to everybody that allows them. 

843
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,480
And I love brilliant, by the 
way, at the beginning, how are 

844
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,720
you feeling? 
Like, shit. 

845
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:55,840
Like it would. 
It was like, you know, that sort

846
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,920
of thing, you know? 
And it was like that. 

847
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,600
But that's serious because if 
you were like, hey, how are you 

848
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,520
feeling? 
How are you those, those that 

849
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,640
toxic masculinity starts to 
like, no, no, no, I'm not doing 

850
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,760
this. 
This is something from the 

851
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,480
women's network or something. 
It's not that we can be guys and

852
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:18,280
and talk about our problems, but
there's so much acute hurt and 

853
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,480
there's so much acute abuse 
that's happened and run rampant,

854
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,240
whether it's a parent, whether 
it's a mentor, whether it's a 

855
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:29,840
teacher, whether it's you 
imagine growing up your whole 

856
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,320
life. 
And I honestly sometimes don't 

857
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,160
even know how I came out of that
because I had coaches like that 

858
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,960
and I I do know how I do. 
It was my parents 100% because 

859
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,920
my parents always there for me. 
But I I've had friends who grew 

860
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,440
up and it was just like how you 
came out. 

861
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,840
Still believing in yourself and 
being there for people is 

862
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:49,880
nothing short of a miracle. 
And it needs to be pointed out 

863
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:57,000
because Oh my God, like we 
really need to start talking 

864
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,960
about stuff And then people 
always take it to. 

865
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,480
And here's the issue with it for
me is that people take it to 

866
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,560
such extremes, right. 
So it's like the second is like,

867
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,080
hey, men should be able to talk 
about stuff and then all of a 

868
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,480
sudden people like twist and 
turn it to such an extreme. 

869
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,560
It's like well, why doesn't 
everybody just have a mental 

870
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,280
illness. 
Why doesn't everybody just have 

871
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,320
this And everybody's everybody's
all like, let's all just suck it

872
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,680
up, OK? 
Like it's and it's you can hear 

873
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,280
the hurt some from some people's
voices. 

874
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,840
Unfortunately, these people are 
in positions of power because 

875
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,400
other people follow them. 
Like, I mean, look at the 

876
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,000
influencer generation where 
you've got guys like Andrew 

877
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,400
Tate. 
And I'm like, why? 

878
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,520
Like what? 
I don't know. 

879
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,480
I'm just, you know, I don't. 
I didn't want to come on to this

880
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:38,880
interview, start naming names 
about people. 

881
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,800
I'm just saying like, there is, 
there is a circle of people, you

882
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,800
know, you can't. 
If you ever want to feel bad 

883
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,960
about yourself, just go on 
Instagram and search up like the

884
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,040
regular posts and you see what 
houses you don't have, what cars

885
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,280
you don't own, what money you 
don't have, what house you don't

886
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,600
have. 
You're missing a few ABS. 

887
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,920
You don't have that girl that 
you know that girl. 

888
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,560
You don't have this, you don't 
have that. 

889
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,600
You're not in, in and on a beach
in Costa Rica somewhere. 

890
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,360
Like you just just filled it 
violently with what you don't 

891
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,840
have. 
So if you're already in a bad 

892
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,520
place or you're dealing with 
some stuff and especially during

893
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,840
a holiday season, the pressure 
and the impact on everything, I 

894
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,040
mean, I can't imagine how some 
people function. 

895
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,280
So to have an app, I think 
there's everybody needs to be 

896
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,520
aware of this app. 
And I sounds like a big sell, 

897
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,160
but it's really not. 
It just is a very honest place 

898
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:33,000
for me to come from where I'm 
like I there's a few friends in 

899
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,280
my life who are no longer with 
me because they took their own 

900
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,440
lives that I know would still be
here today if they had something

901
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,320
like that. 
And that's a big statement. 

902
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,720
But I knew what they were going 
through. 

903
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:49,640
And as much as I wanted, as much
as I reached out and wanted to 

904
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,920
reach out further and everything
else, you can only do so much. 

905
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,640
And one thing my dad always 
taught me that was super 

906
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,680
critical is that you can only 
help people that want to be 

907
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,000
helped. 
They have to be in a place, but 

908
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,960
the problem with that is that 
and not with that statement. 

909
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,160
But the problem then is people 
are so acutely hurt and abused 

910
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,520
that they don't know how to even
ask for it. 

911
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,200
So to maybe have an app where 
they don't have to, they can 

912
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,720
just they don't have to talk to 
anybody or admit to anybody. 

913
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:20,840
But an app that I'm going 
through some shit I'm in the 

914
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,000
dumps, I'm going through some 
stuff and a step by step guide 

915
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,640
to help them get back on their 
feet or find the help or at 

916
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,240
least communicate it to other 
people is. 

917
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,800
Everything. 
Getting it out, pouring out the 

918
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,080
glass, right. 
That's what we got. 

919
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,040
We got all the time. 
Like when the glass gets full of

920
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,840
stuff, all it takes is 1 little 
drop to spill out and make a 

921
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,240
mess on the table. 
But if you have a place that you

922
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:42,200
can empty it out and emptying it
out is so simple. 

923
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,560
But it's the hardest thing in 
the world because of some of 

924
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:46,880
some of the things that you've 
mentioned here. 

925
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,920
And I I appreciate hearing this 
very, very, very much because 

926
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,040
people will look many times at 
guys in a band. 

927
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,640
You know you you you know you 
talk about opening about 

928
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:02,600
Instagram seeing you guys holy 
shit it's amazing but it's like 

929
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,640
oh that's that could never be me
and and and and and and part of 

930
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,000
the reason why you guys were 
such a part like again I, I, I 

931
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,480
just there are no coincidences 
and doing this feature on proper

932
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,680
man even the name of the band. 
You know just the way this the 

933
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:21,000
synergy as I've learned about 
all of you individually and then

934
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,920
watched you as a cohesive unit 
as well. 

935
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,480
It's just it's such a powerful a
metaphor, allegory, whatever you

936
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,080
want to call it for what things 
could be. 

937
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,360
Yes. 
And I mean you've seen it on on 

938
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,320
on both sides again, you know, 
the literal, you've seen the 

939
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,480
toxic side of being in in in in 
toxic bands or toxic situations 

940
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,360
when it comes to music. 
But then you've seen it this 

941
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,760
other way too, where you've got 
this vulnerable place real there

942
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,480
for each other and and and doing
it right, doing it healthy. 

943
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,240
Totally. 
As we start to move towards the 

944
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:51,200
close here. 
Yeah. 

945
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:57,480
The song Bloodless. 
Yeah, yeah, you know, I, I, I. 

946
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,480
You know you guys haven't 
performed it yet? 

947
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,760
No. 
That song. 

948
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,120
What is it? 
What does What does the song 

949
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,840
Bloodless mean to You? 
Pushing through what life will 

950
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,840
want to constantly throw at you,
whether it be small or large. 

951
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,520
You could compare you know look 
at Nori's situation a few years 

952
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,200
back. 
His, you know, Kristen's 

953
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:25,800
situation got so bad and he's he
is in a true, traumatic and true

954
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,560
situation of fighting through a 
very big and very real thing 

955
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,960
that anybody on earth would be 
sympathetic to. 

956
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,280
Absolutely. 
Your wife's mortality, Exactly. 

957
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,760
Which you guys have. 
Again talked about on stage you 

958
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,400
know and and thank goodness 
we're on the other side of it 

959
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,160
now it's it's some good things 
to talk about and all that you 

960
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,240
know that the last night of his 
beard, right. 

961
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:45,920
Yeah. 
Fantastic. 

962
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,720
But yeah. 
I I So you look at something 

963
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:54,000
like Nori's situation, where 
anybody that's not a complete 

964
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,800
subhuman piece of trash would be
completely understanding and be 

965
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:03,000
like, Oh my God, people will 
rally everything else but as you

966
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,840
go down, less severity but still
very real scenario. 

967
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:11,000
I'm not mentally doing well. 
I can't communicate it. 

968
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,720
I can't explain it, but I really
need help. 

969
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:16,920
And I feel like I'm drowning. 
There's an elephant foot on my 

970
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,680
chest. 
I can't breathe. 

971
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,040
I can't. 
I'm going through this. 

972
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,480
I can't see a way out. 
People become less sympathetic 

973
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,840
about it. 
And I'm not trying to slander 

974
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,720
humanity here or whatever, but 
you very much know that it's 

975
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:31,680
not. 
People aren't doing a GoFundMe 

976
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,920
for stuff like that, or or 
rallying around people giving 

977
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,720
sympathy, trying to bring, you 
know what? 

978
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:38,120
What can I do? 
Can I bring you a dinner 

979
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,680
tonight? 
Can I take you out? 

980
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,400
Can I take care of you? 
What can I do? 

981
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,280
Yes. 
Bloodless to me encompasses 

982
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,360
whether you're going through 
something extreme, like with 

983
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:52,600
what Nori went through, or just 
as extreme but much quieter as 

984
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,080
to some of either the friends 
I've lost or people I've known 

985
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,920
that have have have gone and 
what people are going through on

986
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,640
a daily basis. 
And there's so much of us going 

987
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:04,840
through. 
And I think the age of 

988
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,120
technology and seeing this all 
the time, seeing what you don't 

989
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,320
have and seeing what you you 
lack in life has done in such a 

990
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:18,600
passively yet such an aggressive
way that you just feel like 

991
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,480
you're never going to get out of
this blender And you're getting 

992
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,280
sucked deeper and deeper and 
your only way out is what? 

993
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,120
Right. 
So Bloodless to me is like, you 

994
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,240
need to scream. 
You need to yell, You need to 

995
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:32,240
reach, you need to communicate, 
You need to fight. 

996
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:34,520
You need to punch a wall. 
You need to do whatever you can 

997
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,760
to fight, right, Because you 
cannot succumb and give to that.

998
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:44,160
And for that to be a reality, 
you need to let somebody know. 

999
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:45,680
You need to communicate with 
somebody. 

1000
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,880
To me, Bloodless is that because
you feel the power of it. 

1001
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,840
I haven't done many songs. 
Like every song that I've been a

1002
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,400
part of from the band was about 
half of, maybe 60% of 40 

1003
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,280
elephant songs. 
And a lot of the heavier drum 

1004
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,760
stuff, you can kind of start to 
identify the stuff I've been. 

1005
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,160
But this album specifically, I 
like the intro to it again. 

1006
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,000
Have you heard it? 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1007
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,760
Just like I literally in the 
studio stood up and like just 

1008
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,480
absolutely. 
Like I just leaned into the 

1009
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,760
drums. 
I was trying to. 

1010
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,280
I beat them like they owed me 
money, right. 

1011
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,040
Like it was all about that power
and and Travis is such a Prince 

1012
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,200
with like knowing he's such a 
wizard. 

1013
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,200
He just knows how to get the 
sounds open to a level. 

1014
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,880
Like it's like listening to Tom 
Lord allergy. 

1015
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:36,040
Like record. 
Like it's just the the the power

1016
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,040
and the drive behind the song. 
This thing needs to come out 

1017
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,600
punching. 
I want a song that can resonate 

1018
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:47,520
with people where they can 
punch, cry, scream and just feel

1019
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:52,960
and express through it live or 
in their own house or wherever 

1020
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,880
in their car, but have an 
outcome where they can go. 

1021
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,680
All right. 
I showed emotion to this. 

1022
00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:01,760
I don't. 
I'm not because I think the most

1023
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,760
dangerous thing with with mental
health is when people become 

1024
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,400
emotionless and people start to 
fade away and fade out 

1025
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,960
altogether. 
It's not so much the people that

1026
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,600
are always yelling and screaming
and and boisterous about their 

1027
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,640
situation. 
People that get quiet are found 

1028
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,320
in history where it's like 
there's some that's when shit's 

1029
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,120
real excuse my French they and 
so I. 

1030
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,080
For Bloodless, it's just such 
AI. 

1031
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,440
Just hope it's a song that 
somebody could listen to and 

1032
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,160
just be like, I'm either going 
to go work out or I'm going to 

1033
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,120
do something for myself where I 
I just want to punch, scream, 

1034
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:37,400
cry, kick, yell, whatever and 
emotionally do that to a point. 

1035
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,800
Sorry. 
I know I'm probably going over 

1036
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,040
here to a point. 
When I get on that stage, I'm 

1037
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,960
going to war with my boys. 
There's 140 people in here from 

1038
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,720
different walks of life, all 
going through different things 

1039
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,200
in life. 
I could not possibly know what 

1040
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,800
all of those things are in one 
show, but I hope that one thing 

1041
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,440
I might do on that stage is 
leave them feeling better and 

1042
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,800
more hopeful towards life. 
At least happy. 

1043
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,800
It really is why what you see 
from me is so consistent. 

1044
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,800
And you saw you said you've seen
10 shows. 

1045
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,120
Any one of those ten shows have.
I looked like I mailed it in, 

1046
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,080
mentally or emotionally, and I 
refuse to. 

1047
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,480
People that are going through 
shit way worse than me are 

1048
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,720
coming here and they need 
something. 

1049
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,800
They need anything. 
And if I can just simply and 

1050
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,880
it's drums, it's I. 
But think about it. 

1051
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,440
How many of us listen to music? 
How how many people walk this 

1052
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,760
earth where music's a part of 
their life? 

1053
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,720
OK, so therapy, right? 
So then I if my drumming can 

1054
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:43,160
give them just a little bit of a
nudge in the direction of like, 

1055
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,280
holy shit, I forgot about my 
problems tonight. 

1056
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,600
I had such a good night feeling 
maybe more hopeful. 

1057
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,360
I met somebody in the band. 
I know that's. 

1058
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,320
I've never been. 
I've tread carefully with that 

1059
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,520
statement because it's like, I 
don't think that anybody is any 

1060
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,600
more important than anyone else.
And I know when I get off the 

1061
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,640
stage sometimes people are 
always like you are A and people

1062
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,640
treat me like and I'm like. 
Really quickly, like, like. 

1063
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:03,920
If I don't, I don't. 
Do that. 

1064
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,240
You're you're not. 
Yeah. 

1065
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,080
Like. 
I no, because I My biggest pet 

1066
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,080
peeve in life is when people act
like they're better than 

1067
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,680
everybody else, or anybody else 
really, for that matter. 

1068
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,880
We are all equal on this earth. 
We are here to enjoy as many 

1069
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,800
days we are given and try to 
enjoy it with those that we love

1070
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,720
and try to build on the people 
who we love. 

1071
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:23,120
I'm. 
Going to set the stage and tell 

1072
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,040
a story at one of the shows that
I saw at the end of the show. 

1073
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,040
You are at somebody very special
on stage and and you put them 

1074
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,680
behind your kit and there's some
special need there. 

1075
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,120
Jay's. 
Yeah, Jay's. 

1076
00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:36,200
And and I I don't want to. 
Yeah. 

1077
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,400
OK. 
No, hey, no. 

1078
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,560
Jay's and Suki, his mom, 
beautiful people. 

1079
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,480
Jay's Down syndrome. 
And he came to me about three 

1080
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,320
years ago. 
And his mom's like, we've tried 

1081
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,080
getting him lessons before and 
teachers haven't really, really 

1082
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,960
been able to work with them. 
I have some history and 

1083
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,000
education and being able to work
with special needs kids. 

1084
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,600
And I said, yeah, let's give it 
a shot. 

1085
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,920
I actually have ATV in my 
classroom so that I can teach 

1086
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,480
them visually because with Down 
syndrome kids, you can actually 

1087
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,240
teach them quite effectively if 
you give them a visualization to

1088
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:06,160
follow along with. 
They're not big on sheet music. 

1089
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,400
They're not going to process 
like we do in that scenario. 

1090
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,360
But let me tell you something 
really quickly. 

1091
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:17,200
People with Down syndrome are 
the most beautiful, open, loving

1092
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,480
people that I've ever met. 
And the positivity that exudes 

1093
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,240
from them on such a consistent 
basis, if we could tap into that

1094
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:30,800
in our own lives, like I I 
seriously, I might be 

1095
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,360
hyperbolic, but I I just. 
I feel like we could fix 

1096
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,680
humanity in ways. 
Oh yeah, because Jay's is such a

1097
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,120
happy kid. 
He just he loves drumming and he

1098
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:44,440
loves Michael Jackson. 
And so we I, Jonathan Moffat's 

1099
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,120
got music videos of him, which 
is Michael Jackson's drummer and

1100
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,840
he plays along with Jonathan 
Moffat, which he could play 

1101
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,760
along with me and he does, but 
he plays to somebody who's his 

1102
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,920
hero and he plays the Michael 
Jackson song and over three 

1103
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,040
years he's you heard him play. 
He's good. 

1104
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,920
Not just no. 
OK, so after you guys finished, 

1105
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,520
you brought him up on stage and 
the whole crowds. 

1106
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:09,880
That I wasn't prepared for, that
was incredible. 

1107
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,600
We've got, I've got, I don't 
know if you've seen the video, 

1108
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:13,680
but. 
I've got the video of it. 

1109
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,840
I I I blew my mind because Jayz 
came up and he goes, he goes, he

1110
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,920
goes Buddy Justin, can I play 
your drums? 

1111
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,880
And I'm like, yeah, because I'm 
like anybody Buddy Justin, he 

1112
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,480
goes me Buddy Justin every time.
So he goes, he goes like Buddy 

1113
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,200
Justin, can I play your drums? 
And I go, I said yes, Jayz. 

1114
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,200
And I know two things with Jay's
is that if I say yes to him, 

1115
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,280
he's going to play for the next 
hour and a half. 

1116
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,360
And secondly is that he's not 
going to hold back. 

1117
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,920
He's just going to go. 
He's got probably something in 

1118
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,280
his head and he's going to play 
along with it and but. 

1119
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:44,840
Then you put him in this 
environment, in this room. 

1120
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:45,920
Sorry to interrupt. 
Well, no he. 

1121
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,640
Put him in this, this room with 
that energy after you guys just 

1122
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:54,760
played and he got up there and 
went for it. 

1123
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,480
Yeah, it was awesome. 
And everyone fed off. 

1124
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,200
That yelling. 
Oh, very much, very much. 

1125
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,080
So that was the coolest thing 
for me. 

1126
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,680
And what I wasn't expecting, 
what I was expecting is, and 

1127
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,160
maybe it was a negative way to 
expect this, but I was expecting

1128
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:11,120
if people were at after maybe 10
minutes or something, Jay was 

1129
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,680
going to be like, OK, well, 
let's wind this down because 

1130
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,600
people are drinking the glass. 
And yeah, like, no, no, no, no. 

1131
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,280
None of that happened. 
That whole place, like started 

1132
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:20,360
rocking. 
We're standing there. 

1133
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,320
I'm like, it meant so much to me
because I was like, yes, this is

1134
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,520
what we can be as a society. 
This is what this can look like.

1135
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,640
And I really don't believe that 
they were cheering for him 

1136
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,240
because he had Down syndrome. 
I really believe the fact that 

1137
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,760
this kid just got up and started
rocking because that's. 

1138
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,720
And what does music do for all 
of us? 

1139
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,160
What can it do for us? 
It can bring us together, 

1140
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:47,120
everything, everything. 
So for me to see that response 

1141
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,440
was like special too, because I 
know how much work he's put in. 

1142
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,320
So for him to see that response,
it's funny because he's got such

1143
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,160
a he's got such as natural 
confidence, like he was 

1144
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,160
expecting it. 
I assume that he was waiting for

1145
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,520
like a 10 minute standing hole, 
but such a sweet kid. 

1146
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,200
So he gets to the end and 
finally and finally peels off 

1147
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,400
people freaking losing their 
mind. 

1148
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,240
Yep, Yep, most memorable part of
the night. 

1149
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,120
It was fantastic and I wouldn't 
have it any other way. 

1150
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,680
I love that. 
As we bring it to a close, 

1151
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,440
Justin, you are a proper man. 
I just, I appreciate you, you're

1152
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,280
you're a member of the band as a
proper man, but the way that you

1153
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,440
live your life as an example, 
you're also you're a proper man 

1154
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,400
and I appreciate that very, very
much about you. 

1155
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,400
Is there anything you want to 
finish on here? 

1156
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,840
Is there anything that that is 
left unsaid you? 

1157
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:35,240
Know if you've stumbled or come 
across this video or you're 

1158
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,920
watching it and you're feeling 
not right or in a vulnerable 

1159
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,360
place. 
Please download that app. 

1160
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,200
Please. 
Please reach out to somebody 

1161
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,720
because you know there are toxic
people. 

1162
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,600
I'm sure in your life everybody 
has the toxic people around them

1163
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,080
that that won't listen. 
But I promise you there's going 

1164
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,720
to be a couple people that will 
will get, will lend an ear and 

1165
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,240
at the very least these guys 
here, and he changes. 

1166
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,120
They're not playing. 
They'll they'll they'll lend 

1167
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,520
their ear to you and they'll 
give you more than just an ear. 

1168
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,800
They'll give you a path to 
getting back on your feet 

1169
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,800
because there's nothing 
masculine about not talking 

1170
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,920
about what you're going through 
and hiding what you're doing. 

1171
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,560
That is a complete fairy tale 
and it's an awful one. 

1172
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,600
Be strong and who you are and 
being strong and who you are as 

1173
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,960
being vulnerable and talking 
about what you what you're going

1174
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,560
through. 
When you're at your weakest, 

1175
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,520
that's when you can be your 
strongest and that's when you 

1176
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,280
reach out. 
So I really please encourage you

1177
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,760
to talk, to reach out, to call 
somebody and and download this 

1178
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,040
app because it is very simple 
and easy to use. 

1179
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:41,960
I'll sell. 
This sounds like a sell but it's

1180
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,920
very easy to use. 
I was blown away with just how 

1181
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,320
simple it was. 2 buttons right 
off the rip. 

1182
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,120
How you feeling? 
Great. 

1183
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,360
Feel like shit. 
Just go there and take it from 

1184
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,560
there. 
And it's just like, because 

1185
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,240
nobody's better than anybody 
else. 

1186
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,000
No matter what Instagram tells 
you, when you wake up in the 

1187
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,640
morning, you have as much value 
as Elon Musk does. 

1188
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,320
OK, like that's it's anything. 
Anybody else, you. 

1189
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,680
Everybody is equal. 
Everybody has equal value. 

1190
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,920
That includes you. 
So no matter where you're 

1191
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,120
feeling and where you're at in 
life and how hard things have 

1192
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,000
gotten against you, you're 
valuable and you have. 

1193
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,360
So much to give to other people 
around you. 

1194
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,760
You just can't see it right now.
So fight to get to the position 

1195
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,040
where you can see it. 
That's what I have to. 

1196
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:33,160
Say.