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Welcome to Heat Cast, the 
official podcast of He Changed 

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It. 
As always, I am Mike Chisholm as

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always. 
I am so excited to be here and 

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to talk about the world of men's
mental Wellness in all of the 

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facets and pathways that we 
explore in that topic. 

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Obviously, we are the official 
podcast of He Changed It. 

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If you haven't downloaded the He
Changed It app, what are you 

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Waiting for? 
It has never looked better. 

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Things are happening behind the 
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It's, I know I'm a broken record
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just really exciting to watch 
this thing grow. 

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And at the end of the day, you 
know he changed. 

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It is the first men's mental 
Wellness platform that has been 

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created and we're incredibly 
proud of of what's been 

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happening and what is going to 
happen now. 

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We have been in partnership for 
some special episodes of he cast

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with a company called Telus for 
the Canadians. 

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You know what Telus is for other
people around the world, you 

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might not necessarily know who 
they are. 

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Telus is a massive, massive 
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Canada. 
Cell phone provider, broadcast 

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television provider, massive 
Internet provider. 

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And we went into and did a very 
cool program with Telus and in 

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it the result was 5 amazing 
episodes of he cast, which we 

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are now going to put out on our 
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The episodes are with a band, 
The band is called Proper Man 

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and a proper man is a local band
from Kelowna, BC and all five 

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members have a story. 
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And so as a narrative, all five 
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like Voltron, you know a whole 
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to make one super robot, kind of
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Each episode is amazing and I'm 
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have done. 
I'm so proud to be friends with 

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these guys and it's a pretty 
special story. 

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So without further ado he cast 
the official podcast of He 

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a proper man the he cast 

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conversations. 
Welcome to he cast the official 

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podcast of He Changed It. 
As always I am Mike Chisholm as 

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always. 
I'm excited to be here. 

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I'm extra excited to introduce 
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Nori Wentworth is a member of 
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way more than that he is. 
He's a husband. 

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He's a business owner. 
He's a guy that I've looked up 

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to. 
You know, we've grown up in the 

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same city and and and Nori was 
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would just look at him and go, 
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I wish I could be cool like Nori
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He's just an awesome guy. 
But he has an awesome heart. 

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He's not just cool because he's 
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an awesome heart. 
He loves building into people 

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and helping people. 
We've got an episode that's 

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going to be coming out. 
We haven't shot it yet, but it's

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going to be coming out with 
somebody that he forwarded to me

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and the story is unbelievable. 
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that he recognizes these stories
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He wants to help people. 
He's been through stuff and he 

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wants to take the stuff that 
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to help others. 
This episode of he cast focusing

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on proper Man is a is a very 
good example of that and Nori 

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really opens up and and talks 
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he's come from, what he's 
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this entire group of episodes 
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and and and be a shining example
where iron sharpens iron we can 

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all sharpen each other. 
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the proper man conversations 
excited to present Nori 

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Wentworth. 
Who Nori Wentworth is to me and 

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who he is to the band. 
Nori Wentworth is a very 

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slender, beautiful man. 
He probably weighs 145 lbs but I

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well, he cut his beard off 140 
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I met Nori, he was filming, he 
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shoot for some management 
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years ago. 
That's where I first met him and

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ever since he he he works in a 
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He doesn't like me going on 
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these alter egos where we're not
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I'm not a wine making guy. 
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names in the band for each 
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I've known him through the years
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as a friend, always wanted to 
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for some stupid reason he wanted
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So I always had it in my mind 
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play with the great bass player.
Lots of experience but also just

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a good good person and bands are
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band guy will know it's it's 
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and then the bands guys have 
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to love, take care of and 
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And he's just an easy you got to
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He's a great guy. 
Welcome to this special edition 

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of he cast. 
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presenting our expose our 
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Today we've got Nori Wentworth 

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here. 
I'm very excited about this 

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particular guest today because 
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Kelowna and and and and growing 
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been as far back as I can 
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band and elementary school when 
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I remember Wentworth Music and 
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inherited the family business by
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the mast but also is full force 
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Music doing his thing teaching 
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Teaching. 
I don't teach. 

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No, you don't do the teach. 
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and I don't, I don't want to 
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so. 
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around here for a long time, has
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And and the other part of the 
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Nori Wentworth, thank you for 
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part of this project, this focus
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yeah. 
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This is this is good. 
This is gonna be, it's gonna be.

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Good. 
It is gonna be good. 

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The beard is coming back and 
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We told you a little bit about 
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We talked about the app that's 
being built, all of that men's 

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mental Wellness and how it needs
to be a focus and and and Jason 

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kind of put it around well, is 
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do. 
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Yes, yes. 
I think that speaks a lot to who

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proper man is. 
You've been a part of a lot of 

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bands growing up. 
You've been a musician, I I 

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would assume since, I mean the 
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Yeah, Yeah, you kind of started.
Did you start right away? 

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Like, are there pictures of you 
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guitar or a bass in your hand? 
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accordion actually, which was 
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the 70s, and my dad played it 
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how it functions. 
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career never really took off. 
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keyboard to guitar. 
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quickly realized that there's a 
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There's a ton of guitar players 
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bass and ever since then I've 
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You have, I can remember in my 
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almost every Sunday night. 
I would go to a place called 

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Roses, which no longer exists 
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and that was, I love that band 
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It's local. 
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rock and local bands that 
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that's just different. 
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you still get the connection and
a deeper connection. 

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I think when you get local, you 
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Have you Have you always been in
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Pretty much, yeah. 
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I think it was in grade six or 
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brother's talent shows in in 
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to be a a teenage nightclub 
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in the early 90s. 
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and went and played a show 
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And yeah, just once you're up on
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quick, so. 
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you know, you got a music store,
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you're part of that culture your
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You never really turned away 
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Was that something you always 
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It's it's always, definitely 
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I've done. 
At one point I did go to to film

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school and I tried to start up a
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as you probably realize, it's 
very expensive. 

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Equipment is very costly and 
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So it was I started having to 
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bands in order to afford the 
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the time to film and then it was
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year venture. 
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proper mad music videos. 
I'll I'll edit those and you. 

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Still got a finger in it? 
A little bit, yeah. 

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editing. 
It's it's kind of a passion of 

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mine, but. 
What does Wentworth Music do? 

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Talk a little bit about the and 
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you've grown and grown into 
different roles within the 

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company? 
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significantly even since I was a
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I I mean the footprint you guys 
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It's we never stop changing and 
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It was started my my grandpa 
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one of his last projects was the
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And then when that got scrapped,
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A lot of the guys went down to 
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He decided to retire at that 
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So he was an electrical 
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started working at the Capri 
House of Lights, which most 

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people probably won't remember 
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I remember that it's in the 60s,
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don't remember that. 
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No, no, no. 
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My parents might, though. 
Yeah, my dad at the time was a 

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organ player and guitar player, 
and he started teaching guitar 

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out of the back of the the 
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And then he started getting more
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And then he sold one of his 
guitars to students, took that 

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money, bought two more guitars, 
sold those off, bought 4 

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guitars. 
No kidding. 

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And that's how Warner's music 
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It was my dad teaching under the
back of this place and. 

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And flipping guitars, Yeah, and 
the way the kids flip sneakers 

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these. 
Days. 

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Yeah, Yeah, exactly. 
And turn into a store. 

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So my grandparents thought, hey,
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to get behind. 
So they came out of retirement 

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and started Capri House of 
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changed to Wentworth House of 
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And this is all a matter of a 
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And then from there, it was 
like, you know, you'd see lights

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in the washing machine and a 
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And so it slowly changed from 
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music store. 
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expanded. 
They needed to hire another 

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teacher as a piano instructor. 
And they hired what turned out 

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to be my mom. 
So my dad ended up marrying her.

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And then it just kept evolving 
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And, you know, add another 
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And then eventually myself and 
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with the business and we've 
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So it's it's been since 1966 so.
Wow. 

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So third generation, third 
generation and and it's and it 

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has grown significantly. 
So what are the types of stuff 

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that you guys do? 
My side of thing is sales. 

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So we now have three locations, 
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Kelowna, but we sell pretty much
any type of musical instrument 

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you can imagine. 
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which my wife now runs, is the 
Education Center. 

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We currently have about 1000 
students. 

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We had peaked at about 1400 
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came along and ran. 
Back up to 1000 since. 

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We're back up to 1000. 
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bit, but it's been been growing 
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of years. 
Wow. 

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Yeah, Gramp would be proud. 
He would be, Absolutely, yeah. 

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That's super, super cool. 
And yet the the passion for 

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music hasn't died in you at all.
You just this is a way to be in 

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the music business, but at the 
same time you're able to perform

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and do all these. 
Things yeah. 

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It's very lucky because it's. 
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somebody this the other day that
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I think it's important 
everybody's life that everybody 

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has three aspects of their life.
You need your your work life. 

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You need your your home life and
then you need some form of 

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getaway, whether it's golf or 
the gym or or whatever. 

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Everybody needs that and 
everybody's decent at something,

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right? 
The thing for me is all three of

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those intertwine. 
So it's a good thing and a bad 

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thing. 
Oh yeah. 

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When it works, it works, yeah, 
but if it's crappy, then it also

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is impeding that crappiness 
moves into the other. 

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Two, right? 
You know, you have a frustrating

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day at work. 
It's like, well, I can't go and 

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work out at the gym, you know, 
that's what most people will do 

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to, to mentally change things 
over. 

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But for me, it's like they're 
all all intertwined, so yeah. 

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Talk about some of the bands 
you've been in. 

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What kind of, what kind of music
have you played? 

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Have you played all sorts of 
music? 

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Like, I mean, you know I watched
your The even proper man is so 

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eclectic. 
The different styles that that 

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intertwine just within your band
right now. 

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Clearly, you know, you've got 
some guys who've lived some life

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and they're able to bring all 
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music and styles into into what 
you're doing now. 

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You've been in punk, you've been
in rock like all sorts of ever 

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been in country. 
I have been in a country band. 

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Yeah, yeah, it's. 
And that's the thing with with 

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music, if you pigeonhole 
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music, you're you're going to 
get stuck there and you're going

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to get frustrated. 
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you're your own worst enemy. 
And you know, I I will never sit

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down and listen to current pop 
country music. 

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It's just like, it's not my 
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Some people will say you're 
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not my thing. 
But I'd love to play it, but 

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it's yeah, it it's just so cool 
that I can be like, hey, today 

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I'm going to be a reggae bass 
player and you have to think 

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like a reggae bass player, like,
you know, likewise for for every

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instrument it's you have to 
think like that specific genre 

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and it's it, it puts your brain 
in a totally different spot and 

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it makes you much better 
musician in the end. 

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Yeah, so how many bands before 
proper man? 

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I was probably in about 30 or 40
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The my main thing for a really, 
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playing covers because that 
allowed me to play every 

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weekend. 
And the cool thing with covers 

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is it forces you to learn every 
different genre. 

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So you know, if you play at a 
wedding and it's like, hey, play

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that country song and you're 
like, we only play rock, you're 

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not going to get booked quite a 
bit. 

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So, so yeah, I've. 30 or 40 
bands, yeah. 

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Around the block. 
So OK, now I think we've painted

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done a good job of painting the 
picture of what your life looks 

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like. 
When does proper man come into 

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your life and how does it come 
into your life? 

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Well, I'm sure you'll probably 
hear from the other guys of of 

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how they they got into the band.
I've known Jason and Petrie and 

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Justin and Travis. 
They've. 

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I've known them. 
All in different ways, yeah. 

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Yeah, yeah, I love that about 
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You know, being Kelowna in the 
music industry for over 40 

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years, it's just like. 
You know a lot of The Who play. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
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Petrie was going through a hard 
time relationship wise and and 

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Jason really stepped up and said
hey let's get playing again 

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together because they'd played 
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And then yeah, I got a text from
from Jason just saying hey do 

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you want to lay down some bass 
tracks And over the years I I 

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would get that message from 
Jason. 

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You know 10 years prior to that 
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So I used to go over to his 
house and yeah just lay down 

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bass tracks and we were just 
having fun. 

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You know it was bringing a six 
pack of beer over and just just 

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record. 
And then this band started the 

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same way and there's no 
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It was just we were just 
recording and having a good time

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and that was our getaway. 
You know, it was the the weekend

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golf for some people who were, 
yeah, working out at the gym. 

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It was just, it was a good 
release. 

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Get your mind away from a 
relationship. 

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Get your mind away from work. 
How important is that for a guy 

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to to to have that in in this 
modern world You think about 

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middle age now. 
I mean we we go through we try 

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and be kids at heart as much as 
we possibly can but we have to 

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do a fair amount of adulting and
Lord knows you've had to had to 

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do that. 
How important is it having a a 

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release like that? 
It is. 

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It is mandatory there. 
There's no question of it's not 

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being even slightly important. 
It is. 

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It has to happen in everybody's 
life. 

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And the people that I see 
struggling in life through 

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through different things, they 
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It's like work, go home, crack a
beer, sit on the couch, watch 

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TV. 
And it's just like you gotta 

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work out, you gotta and and by 
workout, I mean just have 

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something either physical or 
mental, you know, it's it's so 

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important. 
And music is AI mean I think. 

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I think music is almost 
universal. 

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The idea where if, if, if, if, 
if you play it great. 

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A lot of people don't play it 
but you can experience it 

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anywhere. 
Like music is one of those 

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things that in my opinion can be
a shortcut to some of those 

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things is man, if I'm angry, I 
listen to some 9 inch nails, I 

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listen to some stuff from when I
was at the stuff that I 

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identified with that emotion and
it helps. 

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It's almost like you have a tool
to help you deal with that kind 

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of stuff, and then playing it 
has another appeal to it. 

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Playing in front of a live 
crowd. 

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There's nothing like it. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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It's if if you've never been up 
on stage with an audience 

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cheering for you, there's this 
certain energy that that gets 

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directed towards you and you 
can't explain it, there's 

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probably something physical 
there that you can't. 

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Or metaphysical? 
Well, and it's true, like when 

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you get positive energy sent 
your way, you become, you absorb

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that and you become more 
positive because of it. 

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And it's it's euphoric. 
It's, it's. 

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It's. 
Yeah, I I, I've experienced it, 

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public speaking as well. 
And I and I've tried to, I've 

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tried to explain it to people as
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Is, is, is and and certainly 
proper man is a phenomenal 

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example of this. 
I I've watched you do it. 

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I've seen, I mean, a dozen shows
over the last little while as 

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we've started this process of of
of me getting to know you and 

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the idea of you receive this 
amazing energy, but then you 

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take it and you kind of 
transform it and you throw it 

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right back out in the audience 
then receives it. 

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Back, that's the hope. 
And it's like, if you've ever 

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seen any band play, we're like, 
man, that was such an incredible

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show and you could see that same
band play a week later and 

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you're like, man, something was 
weird. 

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There was this weird vibe in the
room and that's that's what it 

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is. 
It's like, if something's not 

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jiving there, it's we could have
had the best performance as a 

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band that we've ever had, but if
the audience isn't reciprocating

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that back and forth, it just 
doesn't work. 

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Out. 
Yeah. 

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And yeah, I wish, I wish that we
had the scientific instruments 

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to be able to measure these 
things and explain how it works.

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But it is, it's, it's this 
amazing gift that's given to you

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guys who play, but also to the 
audience who sees it. 

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I mean, going through COVID, I 
don't know how many times I said

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I just, I need a concert. 
I need, you know, I need that 

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experience where there's a 
communal thing about it, even 

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though it's a room full of 
strangers, and then that energy 

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thing, it's so cool. 
Yeah. 

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What? 
So that being said, you're 

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laying bass tracks with Jay, you
know, having fun getting these, 

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these, these, you know, releases
like that, where you're hanging 

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out with your buddies, you're 
doing something that you enjoy. 

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That's great. 
I look around at this room here,

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I look at this. 
Was that when was that ever an 

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ambition that you like? 
Did that come out of nowhere or 

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or was it a Jason, like, no, I 
got a vision for this thing. 

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Yeah, we're going to have a 
house that we can go. 

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And like, how crazy is this that
you have this right? 

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Now, I mean, it was, it was 
always stuff that we had talked 

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about dreams. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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And it's just without dreams and
ambitions. 

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Like you always have to have 
some form of a goal. 

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You don't have to have that. 
You know, here's what I'm going 

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to do, here's the end game and 
then that's it. 

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Like a lot of people say, you 
know, what's, what's your 1010 

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year goal? 
It's just like, it's great to 

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have these little master goals. 
But I've always lived my life of

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let's set mini goals and just 
get on the path. 

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And I don't know if you've ever 
gone hiking in the woods where 

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it's just like, I'm just going 
to get on this path and go for a

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hike for two hours and you might
go, hey, well, I'm just going to

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walk that way. 
Well, there's another path this 

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way. 
I've. 

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I've never even considered that.
Like, what could you possibly be

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missing out? 
Because you were so set on this 

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one end goal where this quick 
little path over here might be 

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the most beautiful waterfall and
you wouldn't have seen it 

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because you were just so focused
and fixated on that. 

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So that's that's why I try to 
instill on my kids as well. 

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It's just like have a goal. 
But the main thing is just 

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getting on that path. 
Yeah, just start walking. 

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Yeah, who cares where it ends 
up? 

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And you'll you'll never know 
what you see. 

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Yeah. 
And and and be open to the idea 

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that you might see things that. 
Exactly. 

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Transform these ideas or 
whatever. 

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Don't be so rigid. 
It's just it's that just start, 

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just go. 
If you sit there and you're 

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you're idle, you're you're 
moving backwards. 

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It's as far as I'm concerned. 
So, OK, the idea that this place

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that that that that Jason would 
build something where you guys 

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have this home field advantage 
and all that, yeah, as it came 

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to pass, you've been in, you 
know, dozens of bands. 

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Clearly, this is a unique 
experience. 

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Absolutely. 
It's so I like to grandpa rant 

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and I started on a story and I 
go off. 

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No, no. 
No, this is this is good. 

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This is jazz. 
We do whatever we want. 

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It's all good. 
It's yeah, as I said when we 

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started this out it was just a 
fun just get together and record

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and there was no ambitions to be
like here's where we want to end

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up and we've been doing this 
since I think 2016. 

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So, you know, this has been 
going for six or seven years now

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and the hardest thing in any 
band, it's it's a lot like a 

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marriage. 
There's a lot of work that goes 

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into it. 
There's a lot of emotions, 

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there's a lot of give and take 
and I think that's why our most 

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bands will fail very quickly. 
We have gone through a handful 

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of of drummers and and other 
musicians. 

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But the difficulty it's, you 
know, finding like minded 

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people. 
It's especially at our age when 

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you're young, it's just like, 
hey, you want to be in a band, 

450
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,680
cool. 
Do you want to get girls and go 

451
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,920
over, go out on tour and be a 
rock star? 

452
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,000
Like, yeah, like, who doesn't 
want to do that? 

453
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,560
But you know, when you're in 
your 40s, it's like, hey, you 

454
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,280
want to be in a band. 
It's like, is it going to take 

455
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,240
away from my home life? 
Is it going to take away from my

456
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,600
kids or my wife or or that kind 
of thing? 

457
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,040
So it's it's been pretty pretty 
awesome working with all these 

458
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,880
guys because we're all very 
similar mindset where it's just 

459
00:22:54,880 --> 00:23:00,520
like proper man comes first from
a a family unit. 

460
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,920
So there's nothing that proper 
man does that will take away 

461
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,680
from anybody's vacation time 
from their kids, hockey game 

462
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,520
from from their their day jobs. 
It's always like. 

463
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,640
And you all have this 
understanding that priorities. 

464
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,120
Yeah, yeah. 
And whereas a lot of other bands

465
00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:15,200
that I've been in, it's always 
been like, no, the band comes 

466
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,320
first. 
Like I don't care that your your

467
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,360
wife's in labor. 
The. 

468
00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:20,000
Sacrifices everything. 
Yeah, right. 

469
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,520
And and I was guilty of that as 
well where it was just like you 

470
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,840
know I've I've been married 
before and I know that that that

471
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,560
was taxing on the relationship 
playing in a band every weekend.

472
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,640
And likewise with my my current 
marriage it's gotten many many 

473
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,080
arguments with my wife over over
the years about how much I was 

474
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:43,080
away because you know it's not 
just work home go gig and then 

475
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,720
I'm back home. 
There's a lot of times when I'd 

476
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,560
be out on tour like it's I'd be 
gone for weeks at a time. 

477
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,320
Never mind the rehearsals or 
studio stuff. 

478
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,440
Or whatever. 
You know, people see, oh you you

479
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,800
only play for two hours every 
every weekend. 

480
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,320
It's like, yes, but there's also
two to three hours every night 

481
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,680
practicing and you know, there 
there's a lot that goes into it.

482
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:07,800
So finding Understanding wives 
is it's it's amazing that it's 

483
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,600
all working as well as it is in 
this group but it's it's very 

484
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,680
important and we always 
reiterate that to the wives. 

485
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,760
If you look around the the club 
at the the pictures if you ever 

486
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,720
get into Crown of Thieves in 
West Kelowna have a have a look 

487
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,480
at the the walls you'll you'll 
see pictures up and all the 

488
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:29,680
pictures are our wives so you'll
see and including our sound man.

489
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,000
Right beside the sound booth is 
the sound man's wife. 

490
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,760
And it's, you know, we're we're 
just trying to make it a family 

491
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,320
unit first. 
And music comes along with it. 

492
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,520
And we've been very lucky 
because everyone in this band 

493
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,440
I've looked up to for so many 
years long before playing in in 

494
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,880
in the band with them, like 
they're just all, they're 

495
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:54,800
amazing guys and super talented.
Yeah, what you just talked about

496
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,360
in theory sounds great. 
You know, OK, we're all around 

497
00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:00,800
the same age other than Justin, 
maybe we're all around the same 

498
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,800
age and and and and we've got 
these priorities in life. 

499
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,560
They're going to they're going 
to be the priorities in life. 

500
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,520
I talked a little bit about the 
adulting you've had to you've 

501
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,600
had to do sometimes the when 
life gives us you know waves 

502
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,760
that might capsize the boat. 
You've had that happen you know 

503
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,200
your girl had had a had a health
a major major health scare. 

504
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,720
I I talk about the beard coming 
back. 

505
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,440
You know we'll we'll PS the 
story in the sense that one of 

506
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,080
the shows I watched you play, 
you had a beard down to here and

507
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,000
it was coming down. 
It was coming off the next day 

508
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,080
because you had incredibly good.
So let's talk about that a 

509
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,160
little bit. 
When you have a wife who goes 

510
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,880
through something like that. 
Yeah. 

511
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:45,640
What's what? 
What? 

512
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,680
What? 
What's that like? 

513
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:54,280
It's So what happened was my 
wife, avid runner, very fit. 

514
00:25:56,360 --> 00:26:00,320
We thought she had bronchitis. 
Just really bad, chest cold and 

515
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,360
really gurgly lungs and just 
wasn't getting better. 

516
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,640
We played a show in Penticton 
and the green room was upstairs 

517
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,640
and she was walking like 2 steps
up and then stopping me like I 

518
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,720
can't breathe and I'm like, what
is going on? 

519
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,320
I'm like and get it together 
like we're not complaining. 

520
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:23,040
And next day I somehow convinced
her to go to the the Walk in 

521
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,000
clinic and they did all sorts of
tests and like, no, it's just a 

522
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,520
just a chest cold and I'm like, 
she's downplaying it. 

523
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,440
Can you do some more tests here?
Like we've we've waited an hour.

524
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,080
Good for you for doing that, by 
the way. 

525
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,200
And I'm the type of guy that 
never goes to the doctor for 

526
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,040
anything. 
So it's like, you know, if 

527
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,000
anybody tells me you need to go 
to the doctor, forget it, I'm 

528
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,040
not going. 
But. 

529
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:49,360
And she's the same way. 
But they took her blood pressure

530
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:50,800
and they're like, something's 
not right here. 

531
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,760
And then they started doing more
and more tests, and they're 

532
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,200
like, you need to go to the 
emergency room now. 

533
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,920
You're about to have a heart 
attack. 

534
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,040
And she's like, what? 
And they're like, we can call 

535
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,960
you an ambulance or it'll be 
faster If you just go there and 

536
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,440
just go in. 
They'll admit you right away. 

537
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:09,160
And so we admitted her and they 
basically said, go have a seat. 

538
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,400
If you don't hear from us in the
next two minutes, you'll 

539
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:18,360
probably be about 3-4 hours. 
So I'm like, OK, I've got my van

540
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:20,320
full of gear because we'd played
the night before. 

541
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,120
And I'm like, I don't want to 
leave my van downtown. 

542
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:23,680
I'm going to rip home and empty 
it. 

543
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,600
And then I'll I'll come back. 
And in the time that I went, 

544
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,440
dropped off the gear and got 
back, she had been admitted 

545
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,440
basically right away. 
And test after test turned out 

546
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,320
that her kidneys had just shut 
down through what's called IGA 

547
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,600
nephropathy. 
And it's basically an autoimmune

548
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,800
system where her body just said 
kidneys are the problem, shut 

549
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:46,640
them down. 
We're going to attack the 

550
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:47,600
kidneys. 
Yeah. 

551
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,840
So attack the kidneys. 
And at that point, I think she 

552
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,040
was at 15% function and then 
very quickly over the next few 

553
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,880
weeks lost all function. 
So she ended up on dialysis, 

554
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:04,200
which you know, at 39, I don't 
know anything about dialysis 

555
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,480
like most. 
Why would you? 

556
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:06,560
Right. 
Unless you've got a family 

557
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,440
member that's gone through it. 
So that was a big life, 

558
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,640
lifestyle change. 
And then she ended up getting a 

559
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,160
transplant and then got an 
infection in it in the hospital,

560
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,480
which is the one thing The 
biggest fear was like, is 

561
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,280
somebody going to die on the 
operating table? 

562
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,240
It's obviously the huge, huge 
fear. 

563
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,640
But the other fear is like, are 
you going to get an infection? 

564
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,120
Because your body's open and 
there's nothing to protect 

565
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:33,680
anything there. 
So unfortunately, they had to. 

566
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,840
Well, actually what had happened
was to backtrack. 

567
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,000
She got a blood clot and they 
went in to examine what's going 

568
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,280
in on and at that point she got 
the infection. 

569
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,600
Oh. 
Man, so where they attached the 

570
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,000
kidney, the the main artery that
leads into it basically just 

571
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,720
never resealed. 
This was in Vancouver because 

572
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,720
they don't do it locally. 
So I was with her the whole 

573
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,680
time. 
I came back to play two shows in

574
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,480
in Kelowna and then brought our 
daughter back to Vancouver to 

575
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,120
pick Kristen up and we're going 
to bring her back home and she 

576
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:11,440
wasn't feeling 100%. 
And then right before we left, 

577
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,360
me and and Brynn went out for 
dinner, her daughter and we're 

578
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,120
just finishing eating and we got
a phone call from the hospital. 

579
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,480
You need to get back here now. 
And I'm like, what's going on? 

580
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,880
They're like, we can't tell you.
So we were with a friend of 

581
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,880
ours. 
Our friend took Brent home and 

582
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,720
then to her place. 
And then I went to the hospital 

583
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,120
and I walked into the room. 
And it's your biggest fear. 

584
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,160
The room that she was in, 
there's no bed. 

585
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,480
There's no Kristen, there's none
of her stuff. 

586
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,920
It's all stuffed into a bag and 
shoved in the corner. 

587
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,920
What's going on? 
No answers from anybody. 

588
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,280
And eventually I found one of 
the nurses that we had 

589
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,200
befriended, and she said she sat
up, started screaming, We don't 

590
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,400
know what happened. 
They took her down for emergency

591
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,280
operation. 
So it's a whole lot of sitting 

592
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,960
and not knowing and having a a 
15 year old along with me who's 

593
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,840
got extreme anxiety at the best 
of times trying to keep her calm

594
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,000
and it's just like it's scary, 
you know, you've got no control,

595
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,400
you're getting no answers from 
anybody. 

596
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,800
The the person that you're 
there, you know, and the worst 

597
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,760
thing was I said to her right 
before we left was don't go 

598
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,680
anywhere. 
And that was the last thing I 

599
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:26,720
said to her and then to then the
next finally got to see her many

600
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,680
hours later and she was 
absolutely massive. 

601
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:36,080
She was quadruple the size 
because that artery, no, the 

602
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,440
artery let go and all of the 
blood in her body was just 

603
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,440
pumping into her her peritoneal 
cavity. 

604
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,160
And Oh my goodness, you know, we
see her. 

605
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,320
She looks fantastic. 
We go for dinner and then we 

606
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,800
finally get in to see her again 
and her arms and feet are 

607
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,200
strapped to the bed because they
don't want her moving and 

608
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,720
pulling anything out. 
And it was, I've never seen it. 

609
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,320
It it looked like the Borg from 
Star Trek. 

610
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,040
It was just tubes and wires. 
And it was just see your loved 

611
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,760
one like that and, you know, on 
life support and it was just 

612
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,280
like, wow, we were about to 
leave. 

613
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,120
And she was like, I'm not 
feeling that good and I'm like, 

614
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,200
OK, we'll wait till tomorrow. 
And have we left? 

615
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,520
That would mean if that happened
in the car, she would have been 

616
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,160
gone. 
Like it was literally 10 seconds

617
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,600
away from from her being dead. 
So. 

618
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,520
So that was scary. 
And then she ended up on 

619
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:32,160
dialysis again, this time on 
hemodialysis, which eventually 

620
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,240
she trained to do it at home, 
which was awesome because having

621
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,480
to go to the hospital to do 
dialysis, it's a full time gig. 

622
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,000
Like it's it's fine if you don't
have anything else going in your

623
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,640
life, but you know, as a a 
middle-aged. 

624
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,800
Anything like work or parenting 
or anything like that, Yeah. 

625
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,160
But you're still having to run a
household. 

626
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,320
I mean, run a business as well, 
like all of these things. 

627
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,080
Yeah, That's so. 
She was going to the hospital 

628
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,000
and it's, you know, an hour prep
to get there and then do 

629
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000
dialysis for four hours and then
tear down. 

630
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,160
And by the time you get home and
then you're just exhausted. 

631
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,800
It's so she was doing that three
days a week. 

632
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,480
So luckily the the hospital 
agreed to let her do it at home.

633
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,960
So she trained to to do it at 
home, which is awesome. 

634
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,400
But she's still tethered to a 
machine. 

635
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,600
So I still I had to step up and 
and do way more at the house, 

636
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,880
which which was good for me 
because it really it slowed me 

637
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,200
down because I was very work 
focused and very band focused. 

638
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,600
And you know you just, you shift
your priorities with with what's

639
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,040
going on in your life at the 
time and you know we've we've 

640
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,840
got three kids together. 
So it was making sure that 

641
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,720
they're all looked after, make 
sure business is all looked 

642
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,800
after. 
Anyway. 

643
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:45,080
So to the beard at when she was 
getting her last transplant, I 

644
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,640
had a beard very similar to my 
my length right now and I put it

645
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,280
on Facebook, you know by by vote
what should I do? 

646
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,200
And I had some like crazy 
handlebar mustaches and like all

647
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,000
sorts of ridiculousness. 
And then I ended up the the main

648
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,680
boat was for the giant mustache 
that came down like that. 

649
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,440
So I shaved it off and then 
Kristen's like, no, that's 

650
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,120
that's got to go. 
And it was that was March of 

651
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,600
2020 and then it was like boom, 
Co it happened and I'm like, OK,

652
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,880
this is what do I do. 
I'm in Vancouver. 

653
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,840
My business is now shut down. 
In Kelowna it was a scramble. 

654
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,640
Luckily, the 2nd transplant 
took, I was able to get back to 

655
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,160
Kelowna at that point because 
everybody, everybody's wearing 

656
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,920
masks. 
I just started growing my beard 

657
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,400
and I was like, whatever, just 
it's a beard. 

658
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,280
I'll shave it off at some point.
And I just let it kept going and

659
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,880
kept going. 
And then eventually I was like, 

660
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,320
you know what I'm going to see? 
I'm going to grow it. 

661
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,360
As long as Kristen was on 
dialysis. 

662
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,800
That's all. 
I'm going to let my beard go 

663
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,360
too. 
And then as I got closer to it, 

664
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,240
I was joking with a a friend of 
mine and he's just like you 

665
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,720
should do a fundraiser and see 
what you can raise to, you know,

666
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,480
get that thing gone. 
Because he hated it. 

667
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,400
Like it was. 
It was. 

668
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,720
It was long. 
It was real long. 

669
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,840
And yeah, so I put it out there 
onto Facebook and I started a 

670
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,120
fundraiser for, I think it was 
like two or three weeks and the 

671
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,840
goal was 5 grand. 
And I was going to do it either 

672
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,800
way. 
Yeah, of course. 

673
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,639
But you know, I just put it out 
there because the the awesome 

674
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:16,400
thing with friends and family 
and the community is most people

675
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,560
want to help and support. 
Most people aren't really 

676
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,000
typically willing to put dollars
where their mouth is. 

677
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,840
But you know some people are 
some people that's, hey, I don't

678
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,280
have the time, but here's 50 
bucks, here's 20 bucks. 

679
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,239
But through it, we ended up 
raising 8300 bucks. 

680
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,679
And I said to Kristen, where do 
you want this money to go? 

681
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,920
And she was like, it'd be 
awesome to help, something to do

682
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,360
with with dialysis or kidneys or
something. 

683
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:48,679
And we just had that discussion 
of what's the, what's the worst 

684
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:51,560
thing about dialysis. 
And she's just like going to the

685
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,960
hospital, being there for so 
long, being uncomfortable. 

686
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,680
You're you're in a bed just 
sitting there. 

687
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,840
There's a a big chair that 
everybody would fight over. 

688
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,320
It's this chair that heated up. 
And it was so comfortable. 

689
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,080
And I loved it. 
And it was, she's like, I would 

690
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,040
show up an hour early just so I 
can get this chair because they 

691
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,520
run in shifts at the hospital. 
Right. 

692
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,960
So it's not like you just show 
up whenever. 

693
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,720
And I'm like, there's only one. 
And she's like, yeah. 

694
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:19,200
And I'm like, why don't they 
have more? 

695
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,720
Like, is there not room for 
them? 

696
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,000
She's like, no, there's there's 
room for them. 

697
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:27,400
So I reached out to a friend of 
mine at the KGH Foundation and I

698
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,200
said, can we do this? 
Can I raise money not just for 

699
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,080
the renal department locally, 
but can they buy more chairs? 

700
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,560
And they're like, well, we can 
put in the requisition and see 

701
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:37,880
what happens. 
And I'm like, OK, well, worst 

702
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,600
case scenario, just it's going 
to the hospital if it goes to 

703
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,520
the renal ward, Cool. 
And about two weeks ago, I got 

704
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,000
an e-mail from her saying I just
thought, you should know, we 

705
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,720
were able to secure 2 new 
chairs. 

706
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,680
And I'm like, wow, like little 
dumb thing like that was 

707
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:56,960
actually able to make a 
difference. 

708
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,800
So at some point we're going to 
pop by the the renal renal unit 

709
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,640
just to to see the chairs and 
we'll probably take some 

710
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,680
pictures while we're there. 
But yeah, it's just there's a 

711
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,120
certain joy that comes out of 
helping people, right? 

712
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,960
And it's just like you don't 
have to get a tax receipt or 

713
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,640
something back. 
It's just unsolicited, just 

714
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,240
helping people. 
Well lights that certain thing 

715
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:22,320
inside your soul where you're 
like I did a good job pat 

716
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,160
yourself on the back for at 
least a day and. 

717
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,480
Well, any time that you can take
a negative and turn it into a 

718
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,040
positive and I think that's 
very, very much what that's what

719
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,400
he changed. 
It's all about actually, it's 

720
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,320
the idea that that that guys can
go in and they can help each 

721
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,960
other through their stories. 
And and your story here, I 

722
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,680
guarantee you your story is 
helping somebody out there right

723
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,160
now. 
It's giving them insights. 

724
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,480
It's letting them, at bare 
minimum, know that they're not 

725
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,640
alone. 
Yeah, yeah. 

726
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:49,680
And it's it's through this. 
It's really reiterated that 

727
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,720
everybody has a story. 
Everybody's fighting something. 

728
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,120
You know it it might be your 
your, your dog died that you've 

729
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,640
had for 20 years. 
And it's just like how 

730
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,480
devastating that is to lose your
best friend. 

731
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:06,160
But you know there's you. 
You can't really equate what one

732
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,080
person's problem is is not 
worthwhile to them. 

733
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:15,280
You know, if that makes any 
sense of you know, one person's 

734
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,320
worst day is the next person's 
best day. 

735
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,800
You know, it's just you. 
You never know. 

736
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,640
And it's just like just have 
some compassion for that person 

737
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:27,280
and it's just know that you're 
not alone and everybody has that

738
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:34,040
and having people to talk to was
was a huge thing and that's that

739
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,800
it really solidified things in 
in this band right here. 

740
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,800
Because you know like we talked 
about earlier that I've been in 

741
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,200
lots of bands but they were just
musicians that I got together 

742
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,160
with and played music with Like 
there. 

743
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,480
Yeah, there's that spiritual 
connection through music. 

744
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,280
But with this group it's 
different because they all, you 

745
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,560
know, they'll they'll all go to 
the ends of of the earth for for

746
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,000
any of us in the band. 
And it's it's it, it literally 

747
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,120
is a brotherhood more more than 
anything else. 

748
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,720
So it's it's a special band. 
Definitely. 

749
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,960
It's a special band for all 
sorts of reasons. 

750
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,200
One of the things that I love as
you are specifically moving 

751
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,920
forward as a band and I mean 
I've heard some of the new 

752
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,400
material. 
I want to ask you a couple 

753
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,440
questions about that in a minute
here. 

754
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:20,280
But the idea that when you go to
and see the website of the band 

755
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,360
and it shows all the members and
shows what you're there is a 

756
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,040
persona, there's costumes, 
there's you know, there's a 

757
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,440
there's a real. 
You guys are going deep when it 

758
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,440
comes to the personalities that 
you have within the band, 

759
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,240
including the the role. 
If I could say it like that, 

760
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:35,800
that you're playing on stage as 
well. 

761
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,120
Yeah, you're not just Nori up 
there. 

762
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,240
No. 
So it's and that's done for 

763
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:45,800
multiple reasons. 
Jason is the singer of Proper 

764
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,080
Man. 
If that's all he was, that's 

765
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,640
amazing. 
But Jason also owns this winery 

766
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,080
and also owns multiple wineries 
and the brewery and and and and 

767
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,560
and and and like. 
He's. 

768
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,040
He's an amazing person and he's 
got a lot going for him. 

769
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,880
But when he's up on the stage, 
he doesn't care about any of 

770
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,400
that. 
And you know, same thing for me 

771
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,160
with my business. 
I've gone over the years. 

772
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,400
Well, of course, you're in so 
many bands because your family 

773
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,680
owns this and you get all the 
gear for free and you do this 

774
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:17,320
and you do this. 
Glad. 

775
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,320
We're talking about this. 
This is. 

776
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,080
Good. 
You know I was raised of I get 0

777
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,960
special treatment because what 
is that going to get me in the 

778
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,760
long run. 
You know it's no you. 

779
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,680
You work for everything that you
have and it it pays off in the 

780
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:30,920
end. 
And that was, that was my 

781
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,880
upbringing. 
And for everybody in the band, 

782
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,080
it was that way like we were. 
None of us were placed going, 

783
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,680
you know, here's your your 
golden spoon, off you go. 

784
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,280
In fact, sometimes it's the 
opposite, yeah. 

785
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,040
Being as part of the family, 
you're actually held to a higher

786
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:45,960
standard. 
It is true. 

787
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,960
It is true. 
So yeah, over the years of 

788
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,000
playing in bands, as soon as 
people started finding out who I

789
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,680
was or what my background was, 
they would look at me 

790
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,520
differently and it was just 
like, no, I'm, I'm nighttime 

791
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,840
Nori, I'm not daytime Nori. 
So that was always my joke. 

792
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,880
It's just like nighttime Nori is
a complete goof. 

793
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,280
He gets up on stage and has has 
a blast and parties and you 

794
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,040
know, daytime Nori is like no 
smiles work nose to the 

795
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:14,920
grindstone. 
Just get her done and it's we. 

796
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,080
We all have our own stage 
personas like My Name's Slim 

797
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:23,440
Pickens in this band and Jason's
is Norm Schooling and Justin is 

798
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,640
Killer and. 
Travis is Ashley Bannister and 

799
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,880
Petrie's 29. 
So it's just like, no, we we 

800
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,440
want to be proper men. 
We don't want to be the other 

801
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,760
people. 
And what that allows you to do 

802
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,440
is you you are no longer doing 
that intertwining of, you know, 

803
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,040
I'm, I'm a business person and I
have this going on and I've got 

804
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,160
this emotional problem at home 
with my relationship and my wife

805
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,400
just left me. 
It's like when we're up on stage

806
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:57,280
it's leave it at the door and we
are a totally different, 

807
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,680
different thing and it's it's 
been difficult to develop that 

808
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:01,320
over time. 
I. 

809
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,840
Was gonna say, have you done 
that in any of your other 30 

810
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,280
bands? 
Have you ever done anything like

811
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,200
that or? 
Is it new? 

812
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,120
I have and I I didn't recognize 
it until recently that I was 

813
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,640
doing it. 
Oh, that's interesting because 

814
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,720
it as soon as I start playing, 
it's like your eyes roll in the 

815
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,480
back of your head and roll back 
is a different view in a 

816
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,560
different perspective. 
But not so focused with a name 

817
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,200
and a specific no awareness. 
So that awareness is showing. 

818
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,880
So it's I've had conversations 
with Jason about that as well 

819
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,240
where it's just like his 
difficulty is he lives so close 

820
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:35,960
and he works so close. 
I don't know if he has that time

821
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,400
to transition in between that. 
So when we start those first 

822
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,480
songs, you know if you're head 
still in home life, you're going

823
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,000
to have an off night because now
you're just you wrote a place, 

824
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,680
you're like, am I going to 
remember the words like am I 

825
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,880
going to sing on key? 
Do I like what are the what are 

826
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,680
the notes. 
So it's it's super important and

827
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,760
it's yeah, it's a weird, weird 
phenomenon. 

828
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,960
You just twist your brain into 
going I'm a different person. 

829
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,720
I'm Slim Pickens. 
Yeah, right. 

830
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,880
And you see it with with other 
bands as well that like KISS or 

831
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,000
Slipknot, you know, like all 
those guys. 

832
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,320
It's just like, why are they 
doing that? 

833
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,280
Is this just a gimmicky thing or
is this them becoming that 

834
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,560
persona? 
So their persona is that 

835
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,320
Rockstar. 
Maybe they weren't able to do it

836
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,760
without that that mask there. 
Oh. 

837
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,720
Man, that's I love that element 
of this. 

838
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,240
As we close out, I want to talk 
about a little bit about the new

839
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:32,280
material specifically, I love, I
love what you guys are doing. 

840
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,160
It's it sounded really, really 
good. 

841
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,040
I want to talk about the song 
Bloodless. 

842
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:44,000
What does that song mean to you?
That song has a whole lot of 

843
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,960
emotion. 
It's you can hear it in in the 

844
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,640
lyrics more than anything else. 
When I first heard what was 

845
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,320
being brought to the table 
because our our recording 

846
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,320
process is a lot different than 
a lot of other bands because we 

847
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,960
are middle-aged, we all have 
daytime jobs and and 

848
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:01,960
relationships. 
We don't just go into the studio

849
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,880
for weeks on end. 
It's usually e-mail circles just

850
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,120
going around and around and 
around and I'll add in this part

851
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,280
and then he'll add that. 
Then I'll take and it goes 

852
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,760
around and around for months, so
it's a very time consuming. 

853
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,560
That's kind of fun, though, too.
Like, what's going to like, OK, 

854
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,080
I got this. 
What's going to come back, you 

855
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,840
know? 
Like it's like that story where 

856
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,000
everybody adds one word and then
at the end of it you got this 

857
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:27,880
whole story right. 
So this bloodless I think was 

858
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,040
mostly Travis had had almost 
everything done already and then

859
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,840
he showed it to Jason. 
Jason added in the vocals and 

860
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,400
the demo that they sent to me, 
immediately the hair on my arms 

861
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,040
is standing up. 
I'm like, wow, there's musically

862
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,120
there's an emotion there that's 
so dark and raw. 

863
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,720
And then the the lyrics and the 
vocals, it's just incredible. 

864
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:53,840
So at that point I'm like 
because I talk a lot with 

865
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,480
Justin, the drummer, because he 
he works with me at the store 

866
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,280
and it's it's always a lot of 
like, which direction do you 

867
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,560
want to go with this? 
Like we're we're trying to be an

868
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:08,640
80s new wave sounding band but 
Justin's a a really hard hitting

869
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:14,240
drummer and my like I love you 
know early to mid 90s 

870
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,440
alternative music. 
That's what I grew up on and I'd

871
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,480
love to play that music but so 
we all had our own own flavor. 

872
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,600
But with this, it was Justin. 
I didn't really talk about much.

873
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,440
It was just like, no, just I did
the song, he did his thing and 

874
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,800
usually all of us have ideas 
that we we say why don't you try

875
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,920
that, why don't you try that? 
But with that song it was 

876
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,200
everybody just did their own 
thing. 

877
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,600
Nobody gave any input outside of
that. 

878
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,040
I went into a really low tuning 
on my bass and I I picked up a 

879
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,480
bass that I don't record with 
that much because it's a really 

880
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:52,040
edgy sound which doesn't work 
with most proper man song. 

881
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,720
But yeah, so from my part it was
just like I wanted to be low and

882
00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:02,960
raw and simple and just going 
into it and it was pretty much 

883
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,040
one take. 
Just went to the studio, 

884
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,920
recorded it and it just came 
together really quick. 

885
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,240
And those are the best songs, 
the ones that come together 

886
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:14,840
really quick. 
I'm very grateful that you've 

887
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,920
taken time to do this today. 
You've taken time out of your 

888
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,280
thank you out of your your 
business's work day to do this 

889
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,880
today I just I guess, want to 
close a little bit is what does 

890
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,080
proper man mean to you. 
Oh it's it's it's it's very 

891
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,400
important. 
Like I I don't don't even know I

892
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,520
I mean I don't want to say it's 
everything because you know 

893
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,280
there's lots going in my life 
that are that are positive. 

894
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,840
But if if I didn't have that, 
you know, I would definitely try

895
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,680
to play. 
I always play music. 

896
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,400
I try to find other people, but 
to find the the same mindset 

897
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,400
that we've got with these guys, 
it's it is something special and

898
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,080
it's being developed over a 
really long time and it's it's 

899
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,760
something that will last all of 
our lives. 

900
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,480
It's it it it really is a 
special band. 

901
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,240
It's, you know. 
The title is perfect as far as 

902
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:03,960
I'm concerned. 
The band's name is just. 

903
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,960
That's one of the reasons why 
you know this. 

904
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:12,160
This project felt so synergenic 
to To Mary, the idea of men's 

905
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,360
mental Wellness and this band 
named Proper Man. 

906
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,240
It just seemed so. 
It seemed so perfect and it is 

907
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:18,960
so. 
Perfect. 

908
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,320
I just appreciate you doing 
this. 

909
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,680
We'll finish off by Kristen as 
well. 

910
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,560
Now she's, we saw her at Costco 
the other day. 

911
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,440
She's she's doing great. 
She's doing amazing. 

912
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,880
She's three years into her, her 
latest transplant and they were 

913
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,960
both live donors, which is 
another cool thing. 

914
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,760
And these people don't get any 
money, they don't get anything. 

915
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,120
They don't get any special 
accolades. 

916
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,800
They they both stepped up and 
donated one of their kidneys to 

917
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,080
her. 
That's that's amazing. 

918
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,000
Oh yeah, she's doing amazing. 
And you know, knock on wood that

919
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,040
that kidneys going to last for 
the rest of her life. 

920
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,160
Yeah, thank you so much for 
taking time to do this. 

921
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:55,800
He changed. 
It. 

922
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,360
Is is better because we have 
material like this and stories 

923
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,480
like this and guys who are 
willing to share their story. 

924
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,000
And when it comes to, I've 
learned a lot in the idea of of 

925
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,720
of technology and and and social
media apps and things like that,

926
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:14,280
which is he changed. 
It is sort of in that category. 

927
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,480
It's kind of not really in any 
category. 

928
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,240
It's kind of an amalgamation of 
different ones. 

929
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,200
Yeah. 
But there's a lot of guys when 

930
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,840
it comes, especially men who sit
back, but they will observe, 

931
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,440
especially when they're in a 
place of vulnerability. 

932
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,360
Yeah. 
And vulnerability is one of 

933
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,080
those things. 
It's it's it's 100%. 

934
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,080
You know guys are we're known 
for not being vulnerable unless 

935
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,560
we've gone through something or 
we we know how to do something 

936
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,840
and then we're willing to share 
that with other guys because 

937
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,160
we've gone through it. 
You've certainly been an example

938
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,760
of that today. 
Any last little words of guys 

939
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,840
who are going through something 
right now that may be watching 

940
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,320
this and may think that they're 
alone? 

941
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,000
I think we've done a good job 
that they're not. 

942
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,400
That is a thing to know, yeah. 
Everybody has a story, and you 

943
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,840
are never alone. 
And you know, if you're not 

944
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,560
willing to talk to anybody about
it, just listen to other 

945
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,240
people's stories. 
And you know, when you 

946
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:08,000
approached me about this, I was 
like, so cool because I I love 

947
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,480
talking about my story, but I 
don't talk to anybody about it 

948
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,480
because who am I going to talk? 
To No, I haven't even do it, 

949
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,840
Yeah. 
With my band, they all knew it 

950
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,920
because I do talk to them, but 
not everybody has that that 

951
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,320
option. 
You know, especially in in our 

952
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,600
age growing up, you've got that 
dad where it's just like, man 

953
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,840
up, you know, quit complaining, 
Just get it done, you know, stop

954
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,320
being a baby about things. 
Or it's just like, no, like we 

955
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,360
are all humans. 
We all have emotions and it's 

956
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,040
it's what you you take from that
that develops you into the 

957
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,160
person that you are. 
And you know, if you're 

958
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,640
struggling with anything, just 
just know that you're not alone.

959
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,040
That's amazing. 
Yeah. 

960
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,040
Nori Wentworth 
wentworthmusic.com We want 

961
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,600
people to go to. 
Music.com There you go. 

962
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:52,120
That's. 
Good. 

963
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,760
Not just selling musical 
instruments, but 1000 students. 

964
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,480
That's amazing. 
You're you're inflicting and 

965
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,320
injecting music into our local 
community, Which, by the way, Oh

966
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,840
my goodness, thank you for doing
that. 

967
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,160
But then also Slim Pickens 
proper man. 

968
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,640
Thank you very much for taking 
time, my man. 

969
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,160
Appreciate it so much. 
Appreciate it. 

970
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:10,480
Thank you.