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Welcome to Hecast, the official 
podcast of He Changed it. 

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As always, I am Mike Chisholm. 
As always, I am so excited to 

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have conversations around the 
world of, of mental Wellness, 

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men's mental Wellness 
specifically, but also, you 

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know, like when I look at 
today's conversation, it ain't 

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just about men. 
This is a lot of universal stuff

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in this in this one here, 
Spencer de Leal is is, is the 

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president of the Art of Living 
Foundation in Canada. 

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Now this is a worldwide 
foundation. 

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It's touched over 800 million 
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And if the focal point is living
better lives and, and improving 

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ourselves through meditation, 
through yoga, through practices 

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that have been around for a 
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But, but really, at the end of 
the day, I don't know if there's

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been a time in art, in our, in 
our time and place, spinning on 

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this rock, going around the sun,
where what they're talking about

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has been more needed than it is 
now. 

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And, and I mean, we're talking 
about ways to deal with anxiety.

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We're talking about ways to deal
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distractions we're we're 
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our attention spans are are such
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breaking down and there's a 
whole bunch of practical very 

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cool as Spencer talks about his 
journey going from a cancer 

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researcher. 
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and, and, and, and then has 
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about face. 
He has enhanced what he has been

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doing through discovering the 
improvements that you can have 

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through meditation. 
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very clear about this. 
I appreciate this about him. 

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He talks about how universal it 
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It doesn't have to be something 
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belief structures and all sorts 
of, you know, cultural, whatever

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it whatever trepidation people 
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We have a phenomenal 
conversation about how he as a 

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very clinical scientific mind 
went down this path and now he 

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is just an unbelievable resource
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He, he has coached very high 
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and things, but also people who 
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deal with life better than they 
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And I don't know if there's more
of a, of a compatible guest for 

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Hecast. 
If you haven't downloaded the he

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changing app, what are you 
waiting for? 

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Go to hechanging.com for all the
details. 

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Please enjoy my amazing 
conversation with Spencer Deleo.

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Spencer I, I've often said this 
being the host of Hecast, I've 

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got the best gig ever because 
I'm the one that gets to be 

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front seat to the insights, to 
the techniques, to the, the, 

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the, the wisdom that people have
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This episode, I said it just 
before we hit record is going to

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go by very, very, very, very 
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You know, and, and, and like I 
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lot of hats that you have worn 
throughout your life and it's 

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fascinating. 
You know, the word journey is Co

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opted in this culture right now.
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man alive the journey you have 
taken to get where you are right

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now, you know, from a cancer 
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meditation breathwork teacher. 
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you know, an executive coach of,
of, of the highest caliber for 

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athletes for, you know, 
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really with a message of how we 
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And I, I'm so excited to have 
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the Art of Living Foundation in 
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largest volunteer organizations 
in Canada that nobody's heard 

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of. 
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introduce our audience to what 
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Spencer, thank you so much for 
taking time out of your insane 

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schedule to come on Heat cast. 
Thank you so much man. 

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Well, thank you, Mike. 
And you know, I I've just been 

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following you guys for a while 
there and watching your podcasts

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and seeing what you get out and 
you know this incredible app 

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that you have as well. 
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work. 
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a positive resource for men and 
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But you know, so many people, 
men at, I mean, can benefit from

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the content, but there's so many
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for men and to have such 
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strength is really great to see.
So I appreciate all the work you

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guys are doing. 
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mandate, my life mission has 
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problem, focus on the solution. 
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problems out there. 
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But when we focus on, well, what
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What can we do about it? 
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existence now. 
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know, lives with ups and downs 
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I don't want to, I don't want 
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Angel or anything like that, but
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life is exactly that, showing 
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Meditation, of course, we're 
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of the different techniques, but
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because, you know, how do you go
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I mean, the stereotypically is a
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a place where stereotypically 
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you have you always had both 
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in both worlds or, or or like 
how did that transformation take

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place? 
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question. 
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stereotypical thing, you know, 
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meditation or spirituality or 
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to be woo woo. 
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We're going to be holding each 
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and and, you know, this is the 
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And I can understand why most 
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way, you know, I'd rather just 
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of that. 
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resonate with me at all. 
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extent, you know, I had my, you 
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was like that for me too. 
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background where I would say I'm
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young life, I've always had a 
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life. 
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parents would buy me toys, you 
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frustrated because I'd break 
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investment that they made in 
those for me, but that curiosity

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was there and LED me into career
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you know, which is a much more, 
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smaller teams. 
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time, you know, the intellectual
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that other side, you know, that 
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was less developed. 
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know, I was very anxious person.
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I was able to perform well on 
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at one of our world culture 
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3.75 million people presenting. 
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like 7 pages of notes to, to 
introduce all the different, you

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people and spiritual leaders. 
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Talking to Trump, can I 
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that? 
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Festival, like a lot of people 
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literally the tagline that we 
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Olympics of culture. 
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level event and and it's coming 
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right, it's coming to the GTA. 
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It is, yeah. 
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to note that for the listener, 
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You find yourself like heads of 
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Festival doing that and, and, 
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transformation like based on 
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people understood that was a big
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Yeah, Thank you. 
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that I lead here in Canada, it's
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Foundation. 
Our goal is to create a stress 

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free, violence free world. 
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us and it's a. 
Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi level 

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goal. 
Yeah, that you guys have, yeah. 

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That's it. 
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The idea is that, hey, you know,
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may eat different food, you 
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humanity. 
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fighting over our differences, 
you know, why can't we celebrate

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our differences? 
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we're living now with war and 
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along, you know, and, you know, 
very narrow ideologies that are 

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kind of driving us apart. 
Not even to mention that we just

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came out of a pandemic a number 
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what was supposed to make us 
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very mentally unwell. 
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that. 
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as well. 
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every five years we have this 
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show their talents and their 
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And it's, you know, music and 
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bring people together. 
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seen and, and we've done it in 
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And then next year, we're having
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Wow, that's fantastic. 
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feels like as you, you kind of 
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journey going from from here to 
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progression. 
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like when it comes to Toronto, 
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of, of the path that you have 
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That's is it a daunting task or 
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excitement like you? 
It's it's a muscle now you know,

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you know what to do, you know 
how to flex it and and there'll 

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be excitement, of course, and 
the unknown of that, that sort 

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of thing. 
But is it, Is it daunting for 

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you that knowing that this is 
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It's brand new for Canada. 
It's a, it's a unique honor. 

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Washington. 
DCI was part of part of that 

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organizing committee and it's a 
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transformations that you see 
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know, you see the, you know, 
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congratulating the Palestinian 
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that come off after doing their 
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And, you know, we've got, we had
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from around the world, you know,
So yeah, I mean, a lot of us are

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foodies too. 
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that. 
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sure we're working out before 
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those talents off. 
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gives us a a window to just, you
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differences and, and start to 
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within. 
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largest meditations in, in North
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you know what would be the 
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when we did it in Delhi. 
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it's finally I like I, I want to
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practitioners and things like 
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statement that I say because I, 
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meditation at a high level. 
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you, when you think about who 
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know, one of the, the people who
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Transcendental Meditation, like,
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you know, the bones of, of the 
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look at what where you have 
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transformation that your life 
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What was your first foray into 
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culture, it has permeated so 
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People talk about journaling, 
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meditation. 
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A lot of people know that. 
A lot of people, it's in the 

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zeitgeist. 
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but people don't know where to 
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And I'm curious about how you 
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performer, whether that be in 
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as an athlete or, you know, 
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are just in a lot of pain 
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me. 
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questions about life. 
I kind of lost the juice in life

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and, and, and was, really wasn't
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I was in the middle of a, of a 
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psychologist. 
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and, and she was just sharing 
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of dollars for the session and 
thinking to myself, wow, you 

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that moment, she showed so much 
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like, man, this is kind of 
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the blind here. 
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you know, another way that that 
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take responsibility for my own 
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So that moment started a journey
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of deep introspection in myself 
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thought, OK, well, at least it's
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couldn't find a solution 
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And when I went back to school, 
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price. 
I'm a student again. 

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Yeah, sure. 
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You know, Yep. 
Let me give it a shot. 

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Guru Dev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. 
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peace I had felt and the 
settleness and serenity I'd felt

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when I was a kid. 
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OK, wow, this is really 
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worth looking into. 
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Art of living Part 1 course. 
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transformed, you know, not only 
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but my confidence in able to 
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my own, you know, mental, you 
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well-being. 
Yeah, I okay, so and we're gonna

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talk yoga along the way as well 
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you didn't just go down the 
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spelunked into the bottom of if 
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I don't even know if there is. 
So we're gonna talk about that. 

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But the reason I bring it up is 
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You know, I, I, I've done hot 
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which are, you know, those are 
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things, right? 
Meditation, same thing. 

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And, and you brought up the, the
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guided, you know, a guided 
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course that you took, did it 
distinguish what? 

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Because again, it's a very 
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A lot of people don't even know,
you know what it is. 

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It is a different thing. 
Did it distinguish meditation or

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did it just go down a certain 
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Yeah, it's a great question. 
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course is that it laid out like 
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gave you the lay of the land. 
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of us, you know, we experience 
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aware of it, right? 
We're just, we jump into anger 

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Maybe we don't even realize why.
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frustrated. 
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built up tension. 
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have from the past, our past. 
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of the course is, is really 
talking about the nature of the 

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mind and the nature of our 
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man. 
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for me because I'd never thought
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You know, they, they talk about,
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there's 7 levels to your 
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There's the body, the most gross
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comes in through the senses. 
It's kind of like the projector 

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screen for consciousness. 
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analyzes and deciphers all of 
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The memory, which you know can 
be a really useful tool, 

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especially if you're looking for
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remember something for a 
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But it can also be something 
that takes us out of the present

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moment, you know, if we're 
hooked up. 

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Real easy, yeah. 
Yeah, we can get stuck, right. 

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So it can be something, you 
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and you know, you could say well
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us is it can be a pro or a con. 
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the 6th one, that aspect of us 
that I am, you know, and it 

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could be, it could be, you know,
I am better than everybody and 

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everyone is below me. 
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It can be OK, everybody's so 
much better and I'm way down 

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here, you know, or if we 
cultivated, it can be this 

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all-encompassing ego which we 
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where you know, I, you know, I 
see your success and I'm really 

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happy for you. 
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So the ego can be cultivated and
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self, which is you could see the
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love, that joy, that peace, 
which is our nature. 

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You know you you look at a 
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toddler or child, You know they 
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They don't need a reason to 
smile. 

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No, they're exactly present 100%
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Yeah, there you go. 
They're 100% present and they're

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living in that, in that state of
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self. 
And, you know, really what's the

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difference between US? 
And you know, of course we have 

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all of our experiences, but 
often it's the stress in our 

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life that, you know, kind of 
puts the clouds over that nature

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that we have. 
And you know, you, you know, 

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someone may say, well, you know,
if you're saying my nature is 

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love and peace and joy and, you 
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well, I don't feel that at all. 
You know, someone may say, I 

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don't feel that at all. 
Well, you know, you could put 

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the analogy that it's a cloudy 
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where I where I am, you know, 
does that mean that the sun is 

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not there? 
Of course not. 

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We all know that the sun is 
shining bright. 

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And if we're able to use some 
techniques, some wisdom to take 

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away those clouds, then we can 
see the sun and we can live from

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that place more often. 
So that was a real epiphany for 

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me because I thought I was an 
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I thought that I was an anxious 
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I thought that was OK, that's 
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to accept it and that's it. 
But actually, I learned that no,

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these are fleeting emotions that
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And through these techniques, 
through this wisdom, I've been 

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able to let those emotions flow 
so that I can live more in the 

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present moment and live from 
that that essence of who we are,

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the the self. 
I love that you're talking about

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this. 
I, I, I have a, a shorthand that

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I say to my client, I'm in the, 
I'm in the financial field is 

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where, where I work and I work 
with families, middle class 

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families. 
And, and, and one of the things 

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that especially during 
tumultuous times, right, people,

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their emotions get the better of
them sometimes. 

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And then they'll call me up. 
And, and one of my jobs is 

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basically, you know, to help 
people take emotion out of the 

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situation and make it really 
logical. 

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And one of the shorthands that I
use, and I don't know where I 

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heard it or if I, if I, if I 
made it up, I don't even know. 

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I talk about primary and 
secondary emotions. 

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And, and many times when, when a
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Hey, we need to meet, you know, 
there's a skirmish going on in 

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Iran right now. 
We need to meet. 

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The markets are up and down. 
They're up and down, they're up 

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and down, right? 
And, and So what we meet, I 

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always say, OK, the, the you're,
you're talking to me out of the 

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secondary emotion. 
The secondary emotion is that 

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you're anxious. 
And these are, but really at the

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end of the day, the primary 
emotion is the thing we need to,

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to focus on. 
You know, if somebody's angry, 

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it's probably because they were 
hurt or offended or they were, 

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you know, and if you go back to 
the primary, like, why is this 

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emotion showing up right now? 
And it can go positive too. 

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Somebody's really, really happy,
right? 

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What caused that, you know, and 
then you go back and you can 

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explore these things. 
And I, I just, I, that's just my

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shorthand for it or whatever. 
And, and people kind of 

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understand it and they, they, 
they, they go from there. 

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And it feels like that's the 
deep dive that you took, you 

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know, OK, I'm an anxious person.
OK, well, let's, let's, let's, 

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you're talking about a symptom. 
Let's go back and talk about 

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what caused that symptom to, to 
occur. 

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And, and so, you know, if I'm 
hearing you right, level 1 is, 

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is, is, is you kind of exploring
these truths of existence and 

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then it kind of moves into, OK, 
now how we're going to, you 

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know, affect all of these 
different levels and meditation 

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as a tool to do that. 
Am I hearing that correctly? 

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Exactly. 
And I think I think that's The 

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thing is that, you know, you 
know, on the course, it's 

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expressed that, you know, stress
is a major factor that takes us 

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out of the present moment, 
clouds our judgement. 

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And, you know, you know, how do 
we, how do we reduce stress? 

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How do we how do we bring the 
mind back to the present moment 

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effectively? 
What is meditation? 

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It's being present, if you want 
to boil it down, you know, being

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present with what is. 
And typically our mind is either

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in the future worrying about 
things, getting anxious, but 

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things like you were talking 
about, you know, war that's 

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happening wherever in the world,
the effect it'll have on My 

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Portfolio or, or regretting 
things. 

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Oh, you know, if I only had 
moved, you know, this investment

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this time, oh, wow, life could 
have been very different. 

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There you go, there you go. 
That's exactly it. 

441
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,880
And, and, and, and, and I mean, 
if we can learn to manage that 

442
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,920
in ourselves, and I mean, it 
comes down to awareness, 

443
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,800
self-awareness. 
And, and really at the end of 

444
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,840
the day, I, I'll tell you a book
that changed my life and I don't

445
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,120
know how much it corresponds 
with, with, with art of living 

446
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:33,240
or not. 
I'm, I'm curious actually. 

447
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,360
Have you read Power of Now by 
Eckhart Tolle? 

448
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,480
You know, I leafed through it, 
but the what I did read is very 

449
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,680
powerful. 
Yeah, well, and I mean, it 

450
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,600
really is, is, is, is kind of a,
a little guidebook to show you 

451
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,320
how to become present, to show 
you that your mind is not you 

452
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,760
and to show you, you know, a, a,
a big, a bigger, there's a 

453
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,800
bigger thing out there and 
presence is the thing that's 

454
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,200
going to attach you to it. 
And, and really, that to me was 

455
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,000
a gateway. 
And, and I mean, I'm going to, I

456
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,440
might as well just ask it to you
right now, because I mean, when 

457
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,240
you're doing level 1, when 
you're starting meditation, I 

458
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,760
mean, I want to ask you after 
all this time, are you any good 

459
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,920
at it yet? 
Because I mean, and, and then 

460
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,480
you learn the truth. 
There's no such thing as a bad 

461
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,440
meditation. 
You learn that truth, right? 

462
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,120
But I mean, I, how many times 
have I met people who have said,

463
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:24,440
Oh, I tried meditating. 
I was no good at it, so I 

464
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,560
stopped doing it. 
And, and that shows the missing 

465
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,520
of the point of the whole thing.
And that was one point I really 

466
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,200
wanted to talk about here today,
because there's a lot of people 

467
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,040
out there who have, who have 
dabbled and, and, and, and, and 

468
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,680
they think that they did it 
wrong. 

469
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,360
And, and, and it's because they 
expect, I think it's probably 

470
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:44,600
because they expect a result 
right away that is a little more

471
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,440
tangible than what, what the 
exercise does. 

472
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,880
I don't know. 
That's just my, that's just my 

473
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,280
thought to it. 
But did you think that at the 

474
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,640
beginning when you first tried 
it? 

475
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:58,360
Yeah, I think I had big 
expectations in the beginning. 

476
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,680
And I think you're 100% right. 
You know, I think a lot of 

477
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,880
people, you know, have this 
impression that meditation is 

478
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:13,600
just this completely peaceful 
state void of thoughts where, 

479
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,560
you know, you're in bliss 100% 
of the time. 

480
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,560
And sure, I mean, that can be 
the case. 

481
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,880
You know, that is a state in 
meditation, but the reality is, 

482
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:32,200
is that the way this magnificent
Symphony of activity that we 

483
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,200
call this phenomenon that we 
call the body and the mind, the,

484
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,720
the, IT works on different laws 
and, and, and really when we're 

485
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,800
able to calm the system down, 
you know, calm the body and the 

486
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,080
mind are connected. 
If I can calm the mind down 

487
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,400
because they're connected 
automatically the body is going 

488
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,680
to calm down when I calm both 
down. 

489
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,160
What happens is, is just 
naturally, it kicks off the 

490
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:03,560
stress when it kicks off the 
stress that often gets expressed

491
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,000
as can be expressed through as 
emotions. 

492
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,560
It can be expressed through 
sensations in the body, through 

493
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,120
thoughts, all kinds of things. 
So typically when people are 

494
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,000
doing this rhythmic breathing 
meditation called the Sudarshan 

495
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,440
Kriya, a lot of things are 
coming up. 

496
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,440
It's releasing a lot of old 
traumas and stresses from the 

497
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,600
past. 
So some people may feel a lot of

498
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,640
anger in, during during the 
process of this rhythmic 

499
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,680
breathing meditation. 
They may feel some anxiety. 

500
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,360
And we do our best in the 
beginning to really, you know, 

501
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,080
let people know that, you know, 
it's coming up to come out. 

502
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,160
It's, you know, it's, it's just,
yeah, you know, it's, it's just 

503
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,640
like if you're, if you're sick 
and you got to throw up, well, 

504
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,880
you might as well just get it 
over with because you're going 

505
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,320
to feel a lot better. 
And, and yeah, the process is 

506
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,840
not so nice. 
But once you're done, wow, 

507
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,560
you're that much lighter, you're
that much more free. 

508
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,360
And that really is the process 
of seduction Korea, especially 

509
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,880
the the 1st when you start to 
first do this, this technique, 

510
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,360
you know, there are a lot of 
different emotions and 

511
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,720
different, you know, traumas and
stresses that are coming out. 

512
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,640
Process is not so comfortable. 
But in the end, with time and 

513
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,880
practice, it does settle down 
and bring you to that, that 

514
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:31,520
present moment. 
But like you said, not all the 

515
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,240
time. 
It depending on how much 

516
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,480
cleansing is happening. 
If more cleansing is happening, 

517
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,280
you're not going to be so 
comfortable. 

518
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,480
If you're in that more peaceful,
settled, calm state, enjoy it. 

519
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,080
It's, it's a journey, just like 
you said, and being able to give

520
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,440
ourselves that permission to be 
in a state, whatever that is, is

521
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,920
often a great way to be present 
as well. 

522
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,480
Again, I just go back to I'm the
luckiest guy in the world 

523
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,920
because I get to be the guy that
that that hears all of these 

524
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:03,360
things and, and I'm taking it in
and, and very, very grateful 

525
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,040
for, for, for what you're 
talking about here. 

526
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,560
There's a bunch of things there 
that like the first thing you 

527
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,280
said was, OK, if you have an 
active mind and you want to calm

528
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,080
the mind, you calm the mind 1st.
And then the there's people who 

529
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,280
are out there listening to this 
right now that are in a state of

530
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,800
their mind is going 1,000,000 
miles a minute. 

531
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,840
You know, whether they're stuck 
in fight or flight, whatever it 

532
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,120
is, their mind is just going. 
And when you said, OK, yeah. 

533
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,520
And then you can calm the mind. 
They're probably held up on 

534
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:29,160
that. 
Wait a second. 

535
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,480
You can calm the mind. 
Yeah. 

536
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,960
This is what we're talking about
here, you know, and then the 

537
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,360
idea of uncomfortable things 
coming up, they come up to come 

538
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,840
out. 
My God, like I, I, that is a 

539
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:45,200
such a simple concept almost. 
It's it, I think we all just 

540
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,920
kind of fly by it sometimes 
because we don't like being 

541
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,480
uncomfortable. 
But the idea of that discomfort,

542
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,600
which is temporary, everything 
is temporary. 

543
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,040
We hear this. 
It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, 

544
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,440
you know, a platitude that's out
there. 

545
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,040
Everything is temporary. 
But here's where it's practical,

546
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,400
you know, if it's starting to 
come out, you let it out. 

547
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,840
And that can happen through 
breath work, through meditation.

548
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,400
I, I got a question about, OK, 
so somebody who hears this and 

549
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,200
they've got their, you know, 
their little ears are pointed up

550
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,880
going, wait a second. 
OK, I want, you know, this might

551
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,160
be something I want to do. 
Do you have a like when it comes

552
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,040
to meditation? 
I mean, again, we talked about 

553
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,000
there's guided meditations. 
There are ones where you have 

554
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,440
affirmations that you focus on, 
where you just focus on the 

555
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,400
breath and it's silent and, and,
and you know, maybe time is 

556
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,800
involved, that kind of a thing. 
If somebody wants to dip their 

557
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,120
toe and they want to start 
looking at it. 

558
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,560
Do you have, I'm sure it's not a
one size fit all kind of a 

559
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,160
thing, but is there a pathway 
for an average guy who's out 

560
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,280
there who's like, OK, you know, 
I've heard this forever. 

561
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,040
I've got you've got my 
attention. 

562
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,440
Is there a common way that 
people usually start? 

563
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,880
Definitely, I mean, this, the 
Part 1 course is meant for 

564
00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:01,440
someone that has either no 
experience or, you know, this 

565
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,680
has been taught to, you know, 
sages in the Himalayas that have

566
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,160
been meditating their whole 
life. 

567
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,160
You know, this, this technique, 
it's a very, it's a very ancient

568
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,920
technique that you could say was
kind of rediscovered in 

569
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,040
meditation by Gouda Dev Sri Sri 
Ravi Shankar. 

570
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,560
He went on a 10 day, he went in 
the basically in the jungle for 

571
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,720
for 10 days. 
And he came out of that silent, 

572
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,280
you know, personal retreat with 
this technique. 

573
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,880
And it's something that, you 
know, it's interesting. 

574
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,240
Many people have told him that 
it's too precious to share 

575
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,480
unless someone has done, you 
know, years and years of service

576
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,880
and toiled it, you know, the 
retreat of the ashrams. 

577
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,240
You know, that you should only 
give it to people that are truly

578
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,880
deserving. 
But but the way his aspect is, 

579
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,680
his perspective, I should say, 
is that the times are such that 

580
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,600
this is what's needed and let's 
make it available to everybody 

581
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,240
and then whoever you know is 
able to benefit. 

582
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,920
Great. 
And if not, that's all good too.

583
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,760
Everyone has their own path so 
people can feel confident in 

584
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,320
coming on the course. 
It's a step by step process. 

585
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,960
It's a three day course where 
it's a few hours a day. 

586
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,920
If you do it online, it's 2 1/2 
hours. 

587
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,400
If you do it in person, it's 
three. 

588
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:31,120
And we teach a number of 
preparatory techniques so we 

589
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,160
don't jump into the Sudarshan 
Kriya, the sky breath meditation

590
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,400
right away. 
We teach some techniques that 

591
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,640
are a little they're, they're 
actually very good, not only for

592
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,840
as a daily practice, but 
something you can use to calm 

593
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,240
and soothe the mind even in a 
conversation. 

594
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,440
Like imagine you're in a 
challenging conversation and 

595
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,280
that person, you know, triggers 
you in some way. 

596
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,920
Well, this is very common. 
We've all experienced that, 

597
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,720
right? 
And instead of jumping into a 

598
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,560
reaction, you could start this 
breathing and nobody will know 

599
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,360
you're doing it. 
You can do it anytime you want. 

600
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,520
And it's a very powerful way to 
kind of get back in the driver's

601
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,480
seat of your your mind and 
emotions. 

602
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:28,280
Yeah, So like, OK, now that 
being said, there's a part of me

603
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,920
that loves going down the rabbit
hole and the idea of like, OK, 

604
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,920
I've had a I've had a couple and
I mean, they're, they're they're

605
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,440
they're, they're minimal 
compared to what other people 

606
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,560
have done. 
I've had a couple psychedelic 

607
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,159
experiences that involve no 
substances whatsoever. 

608
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,239
One time I was in a float tank, 
I was in a separate sensory 

609
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,560
depriation tank and it happened 
in there. 

610
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,520
The other was when I was at a 
breathwork seminar And, and, 

611
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,480
and, and so I'm, I'm so that's 
the beginning of the rabbit 

612
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,719
hole, which is fantastic. 
Let's go down the advancement a 

613
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,719
little bit. 
When, when, when, when you start

614
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,600
to, you don't just dip your toe 
and stop because you think you 

615
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,400
can't do it. 
No, you just you, you let the 

616
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,000
process start to take form and, 
and, and you move forward. 

617
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,720
You can see some pretty wild 
things. 

618
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:09,160
You can have some pretty wild 
insights. 

619
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,920
And I'm super curious for you 
through breath work, through 

620
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,680
meditation, you know, you talk 
about these, these levels and 

621
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,560
the states that you can get to 
and feel. 

622
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,640
Does that happen often for you, 
Spencer? 

623
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,560
Yeah, it's a great question. 
And definitely there's all kinds

624
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,000
of experiences that that you can
have. 

625
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,320
And sure, you know, I've had all
kinds of experiences in terms of

626
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,280
like, you know, seeing colors 
and, you know, having. 

627
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,200
Yeah. 
I, I mean, even after some of 

628
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,040
these deep, you know, 
meditations, you know, just 

629
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,480
feeling like, wow, I'm not, I 
don't even have a body. 

630
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,240
Yeah. 
I'm in such a deep state that I 

631
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:56,600
just feel connected with 
everyone and everything. 

632
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,840
And I don't even identify with 
his body at all. 

633
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:08,560
I just feel like I'm energy, you
know, having that deep state of,

634
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:15,320
of bliss and fulfillment where 
everybody is connected to me. 

635
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:21,400
I'm connected to everybody else.
And yeah, all my desires and, 

636
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,520
you know, all my cravings and 
aversions, they all melt away. 

637
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:34,520
And this state becomes so 
energizing that you even just 

638
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:39,240
dip into that for even a few 
seconds or a few minutes. 

639
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,120
And the level of energy and 
vitality that you have is, is 

640
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,560
remarkable. 
And, and sure, these techniques 

641
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,520
can, can bring you all of that. 
And I would say that there is a,

642
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:58,200
there is a state, you know, I 
would say also to peer beyond 

643
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:05,440
the curtain of these experiences
and the real wealth is sitting 

644
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:12,600
for you there because the, the 
experiences are, are one thing. 

645
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,680
And I would say that in order to
dip into the self and get to 

646
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:25,680
that deeper level of of 
experience, it takes that aspect

647
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,800
of patience and rest. 
And I think that if of course, 

648
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,840
you know, we're talking about 
enjoying that and having a good 

649
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,960
experience, that kind of thing. 
But like I see a number of 

650
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,880
people, they're just searching 
for the next high. 

651
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,760
Oh yeah, Yep. 
You know, so if you're 

652
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,560
constantly searching for a next 
level of excitement and you're 

653
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,400
driving, you want to, you know, 
kind of drive yourself up to the

654
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,600
next level of excitement again 
and again and again. 

655
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,400
It it's still almost, you're 
still kind of in the senses. 

656
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:03,000
But if you're willing to go 
beyond the senses and go beyond 

657
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:08,120
yourself in a sense and just be 
in that relaxed state and accept

658
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,760
whether it is not getting too 
excited, if it's sensational 

659
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,680
experience or not getting too, 
you know, kind of bogged down if

660
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,800
it's not the psychedelic 
experience you wanted, right. 

661
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,760
But just, yeah, being with what 
is that I've seen the greatest 

662
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:30,000
transformations in, I mean, you 
know, for myself, we, we've 

663
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,000
taught many courses with 
veterans that come back from 

664
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,320
combat and they do this 
technique, this Sudarshan Korea 

665
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,960
sky breath meditation. 
And I remember there one 

666
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,360
instance where this gentleman, 
he hadn't slept for more than 4 

667
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,480
hours in for the past 10 years 
since his deployment. 

668
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,600
Oh, wow. 
So it's so interesting, the 

669
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,280
irony, because what kept him 
alive on the battlefield, this 

670
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,240
hyper vigilance was tearing him 
apart at home. 

671
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:09,800
And, you know, he couldn't 
sleep, digestion was shot, he 

672
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,520
couldn't eat. 
His relationship with his family

673
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,120
and his kids were falling apart.
And he just didn't know what to 

674
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,520
do. 
You know, going to all kinds of 

675
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,400
substance abuse because you 
don't know how to calm your mind

676
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,800
down otherwise. 
And so he came to the course 

677
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,400
with his head on a swivel. 
And after doing the first 

678
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:33,080
Sudarshan Kriya, he went home 
and he came back the next day 

679
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,080
for the course. 
And he was kind of like, tongue 

680
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:41,400
in cheek pissed off at us. 
And we were like, OK, well, what

681
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,680
what's the problem? 
He said, well, because of you, I

682
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,640
almost missed my dentist 
appointment. 

683
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,560
I slept 10 hours last night. 
No way. 

684
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:56,120
You know, his like his move 11 
using the technique once and 

685
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:03,280
yeah, the nervous system was so,
you know, so exhausted and 

686
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,960
craving for that rest that it 
finally was allowed to do so. 

687
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,200
And you should have seen him the
next day. 

688
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,120
Like of course, you know it it 
it's a journey. 

689
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,200
You know, it's not a A1 and 
done. 

690
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,560
There's no silver bullet. 
But the difference in him, you 

691
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,000
know, the fact that he wasn't. 
Swiveling his head every two 

692
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,640
seconds. 
The fact that, you know, his 

693
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,760
legs weren't bouncing around so 
much and that instead of having 

694
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,120
this angry look on his face or 
big frown, the guy, you know, 

695
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,600
had a smile on his face. 
It, it's, it's incredible. 

696
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,520
I feel like just like you were 
saying, you know, like I feel so

697
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:47,960
fortunate to, you know, be 
someone that can share these 

698
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,040
techniques and this wisdom 
because I think it's the need of

699
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,680
the hour. 
You know, neither at home nor at

700
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,120
school have we learned how to 
manage our mind and emotions. 

701
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:59,600
Yeah. 
I mean that's it's so well 

702
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,320
articulated now. 
Now let's take it back to again,

703
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,800
part of the journey as to, as to
what you do. 

704
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,640
You know, there are people out 
there who are, who are, who are 

705
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,040
lost and, and, and they're 
anxious and they're, they're 

706
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,640
that this place where, you know,
they're darting from one thing 

707
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,480
to another. 
Whatever, this can calm things 

708
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,160
down. 
I, I love, I love how you use 

709
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,480
the, the story of the veteran 
there. 

710
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,400
And I mean, PTSDI mean there's, 
there's so much when it comes to

711
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,320
people with PTSD, whatever it 
is, it could be, it could be 

712
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,720
something extreme. 
PTSD is one of those funny 

713
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:34,520
things like trauma. 
It's, it's individual, right? 

714
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,920
And you can't judge it because 
you know what somebody's trauma 

715
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,560
is, It could be somebody said 
something to somebody the wrong 

716
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,480
way. 
We're in their 4th grade and the

717
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,760
neuroplasticity was particularly
sticky that day. 

718
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,040
And then it just, you know, it, 
it, it that carried with them. 

719
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,800
They could be something very, 
very minute as well. 

720
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,400
And, and I appreciate the fact 
that this can help uncover some 

721
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,920
of these things. 
And when it comes up, it wants 

722
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,240
to come out. 
I love that. 

723
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,120
Now let's take it and look at 
the focal point though, like 

724
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,680
when you deal with some of these
like high impact athletes, some 

725
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,040
of these high impact, you know, 
executives or, or, or, or, or 

726
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,920
performers in business, things 
like that. 

727
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,680
We can also take, you know, 
these techniques and, and, and, 

728
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,960
and these these amazing, amazing
gifts that are available to 

729
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,880
anybody that we can all learn 
and master. 

730
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,120
There is no, you know, there is 
no hierarchy when it comes to 

731
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,040
this. 
And then you can take it and use

732
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,000
it to focus on a goal. 
And, and I think that that is 

733
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,360
something that it's really worth
talking about too, because there

734
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,440
are a lot of people who are 
stuck because they want to jump 

735
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,880
towards their goal or their 
dream. 

736
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,440
They want to advance in their 
life, whatever that looks like. 

737
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,960
And then you can take it and you
can actually laser focus it as 

738
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,720
well. 
And I'd, I'd love to hear your 

739
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:46,960
thoughts on that a little bit as
well. 

740
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,400
Yeah, it's a great point. 
I think now we live in they call

741
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:57,440
this VUCA world, this volatile, 
uncertain, complex, ambiguous 

742
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,720
world. 
Like I just think back to my 

743
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:03,800
childhood and I mean, my 
grandparents had a phone that 

744
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,400
actually you had to turn and it 
would make sparks to, you know, 

745
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,080
to to make the call, right? 
And like, you would curse the 

746
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,360
people had zeros in their phone 
number because you would have to

747
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,320
keep, you know, waiting for that
thing to come all the way back. 

748
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,200
Like, and you called someone 
like if they were not home, 

749
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,240
like, and that was it actually. 
Like you were not going to get a

750
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:29,880
hold of them until they got back
to the office or or back home. 

751
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:36,040
Like it was just a totally 
different world, like completely

752
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,480
different. 
And and now, you know, we live 

753
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,480
in this world where everyone's 
got a device. 

754
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:51,360
If you don't respond within a 
matter of minutes, you know, 

755
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,880
that could be really troublesome
thing either for family or or 

756
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,400
work. 
And you know, we're constantly 

757
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,160
pulled into this, you know, 
social media, this doom 

758
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:09,520
scrolling and, you know, because
of that, you know, we're living 

759
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:15,360
in this very distracted society 
and this very distracted 

760
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:20,800
environment. 
So no wonder it's hard to focus.

761
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:26,200
And you know, I think I, I, I 
know, I've, I've read some 

762
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,080
studies, you know, over the past
20 years, I think the average 

763
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:35,760
attention span has gone from 
about, I think it's, it was like

764
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:41,160
2 1/2 minutes all the way down, 
You know, to, I think we're, 

765
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,560
we're under 10 seconds now on 
the, for the, it's crazy. 

766
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,640
The average person is wild, you 
know what I mean? 

767
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,520
The reason they had classrooms 
at 40 minutes way back in the 

768
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,080
day when they set those is 
because they said after the 

769
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,600
attention span that they'd 
researched whatever it was in 

770
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,560
the 50s or the 40s or whatever 
it was. 

771
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,720
So, you know, we're living in a,
in a completely different world.

772
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:07,600
So, you know, no wonder we're 
having trouble focusing. 

773
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,880
So now, you know, how do we 
focus? 

774
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,440
What is focus? 
Well, it's bringing the mind to 

775
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,200
the present moment. 
You know, how, how do we arrest 

776
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,440
the mind and bring it to the 
present moment? 

777
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,040
Well, can we force the mind to 
be in the present moment? 

778
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,200
You know, can you force yourself
to go to sleep? 

779
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,440
Oh, well, I'm a double PhD. 
My mind should listen to me like

780
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,840
no way. 
Doesn't matter. 

781
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,960
Like so. 
So if you can't. 

782
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,080
You can tame the mind, but just 
not through force. 

783
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,520
You can tame it through other 
ways and that's. 

784
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,680
What we're talking about here 
exactly. 

785
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,160
And that's it. 
And that's it. 

786
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,560
So, so the, the, the point is 
that, you know, the, the law of 

787
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,440
the mind is different from the 
law of the body. 

788
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,760
Law of the body says if I put 
resistance, I try to push 

789
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,800
something away with resistance, 
I'll be able to push it away. 

790
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,600
But if I try to push away a 
thought, if I try to push away 

791
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:06,440
my emotions, if I resist my 
emotions, OK, that anxiety, that

792
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:07,880
anger, I don't want to feel that
anger. 

793
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,200
Not now. 
I can't feel that anger. 

794
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,240
No, this is not fair. 
I don't want to. 

795
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,200
What happens, it comes back even
stronger. 

796
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,560
So yeah, sitting in it. 
We hear about this, we need to 

797
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,920
learn to sit in it, and this is 
what you're talking about here. 

798
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,600
That's exactly it. 
And the idea and the the phrase 

799
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:32,080
that I really like is, you know,
whatever you resist at the level

800
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,920
of the mind persists. 
So. 

801
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:36,440
So the. 
Yeah. 

802
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,880
It's like a skipping record. 
It it doesn't have a chance to 

803
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,920
get past the the past. 
The part where it's skipping the

804
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,000
resistance creates that skip. 
Yeah. 

805
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,360
That's it. 
So I mean, there's many ways to 

806
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,400
do this, as you said. 
And I think one powerful way 

807
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,640
that, you know, we do at the Art
of Living Foundation is we use 

808
00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:01,320
the breath as an anchor. 
So, you know, is there a moment 

809
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,560
that the breath is not in the 
present moment? 

810
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,720
You know, can I say, OK, I 
breathed enough today, I'm going

811
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:09,920
to take a break. 
It's getting a little boring. 

812
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,640
In, out, in, out and I'm going 
to start again on on Saturday. 

813
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:19,200
Yeah. 
Obviously not going to happen. 

814
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:24,040
What a great analogy, you know, 
so, so, so the breath is always 

815
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,760
in the present moment. 
So this becomes a very powerful 

816
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:34,160
way that I can start, you know, 
to bring myself back to the 

817
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,960
present moment by putting an 
attention on the breath. 

818
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:43,920
And if you think of the mind as 
a kite and you know, we, the 

819
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,840
breath would be the string. 
And typically most of our kites,

820
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,400
we don't have a, we have a 
string on there, we're not using

821
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,360
it. 
The kite is just flying away 

822
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,160
somewhere. 
It's going wherever it wants. 

823
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,360
But with the breath, it becomes 
much easier to bring our, our 

824
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:03,360
mind back to the present woman. 
And not only to make us more 

825
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:08,640
present, but the breath is also 
a powerful tool for helping us 

826
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,680
manage the emotions as well. 
You know, if you think about it 

827
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,520
like when you're angry, how do 
you breathe? 

828
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:19,200
Yeah, intense. 
Yeah, yeah, that's it. 

829
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,640
You intense can be heavy or when
you're anxious, you know, how do

830
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,080
you breathe? 
Shallow. 

831
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:25,680
Many times it's. 
Exactly. 

832
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,280
Yeah, Yeah. 
Shallow. 

833
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:28,560
Sometimes you don't breathe at 
all. 

834
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,160
Yeah, yeah, you you kind of lose
your breath. 

835
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,520
So when I'm with my trainer, you
know, when we're working out, I 

836
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,640
mean, I can't tell you the first
two months when I was with, when

837
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,080
I first started with him. 
The first two months is, hey 

838
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,800
buddy, breathe right now. 
Breathe through. 

839
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,520
Like regularly. 
Like like, like that was the 

840
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,760
most, you know, you're muscle, 
you're not going to muscle 

841
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,320
through it. 
You know, if you're doing a, a 

842
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,120
bench or whatever it is, if you 
don't breathe properly by the 

843
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,200
time you get to six or seven, 
you're not going to get to 12 

844
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,120
today if you're not breathing 
right, Right. 

845
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,280
Like, like anytime there's any 
sort of opportunity for us to go

846
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,840
back and focus on our breath to 
make sure that we're doing what 

847
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,960
we're supposed to be doing, the 
net result is going to be 

848
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,200
whatever it is that we're doing 
will be easier or better. 

849
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,920
Yeah, that's exactly it. 
So I and I think that is 

850
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,480
something that's lost on a lot 
of people is the fact that. 

851
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,280
Well, that's the thing. 
Like, like, again, I think about

852
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,560
the people who are listening to 
this right now. 

853
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:27,000
It's so simple, you know. 
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's very, 

854
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,360
very simple. 
I cut you off there. 

855
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,200
How it's lost, It is lost, but 
but it's just, it's such a 

856
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,800
simple thing. 
People don't realize that right 

857
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,880
here in front of you, you have 
the tools to help you get past 

858
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,880
whatever it is that you're going
through, whatever it is, how, 

859
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,800
however big it is, there's 
nothing, you know, too big that 

860
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,560
you can't use these tools to get
past what you are. 

861
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,000
So sorry, that's my little rat 
there. 

862
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,120
But I just, it's so simple, like
hearing you talk about it. 

863
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,360
It's one of those things it's 
easy to do. 

864
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,320
It's easy not to do right? 
Yeah, now it's so true. 

865
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,000
And, and you know, there's this 
old anecdote of this beggar 

866
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,880
sitting under a tree. 
And you know, for years, he, he 

867
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,440
begged in this one spot, 
begging, begging for what anyone

868
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,880
would give him, just hoping that
someone would give him enough 

869
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,680
to, to survive. 
And then one day he passed away 

870
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,560
and they removed some of the 
dirt on that spot where he was. 

871
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,000
And they dug up some of the 
dirt. 

872
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,800
And what did they find? 
They found a huge treasure. 

873
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,440
And he'd been sitting on that 
treasure his whole life and he 

874
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,880
didn't even know it. 
And you know, that treasure is 

875
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,840
the breath. 
And, you know, typically we we 

876
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,440
breathe typically we, we feel an
emotion and we breathe in a 

877
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:37,080
certain way. 
But you know, what we're doing 

878
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,480
is we're actually kind of 
flipping the script a little 

879
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,560
bit. 
We're making that one way St. 

880
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:46,280
into a two way street. 
So we start to be able to use 

881
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,720
the breath to be able to manage 
the mind and emotions. 

882
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:55,800
And you know, this is definitely
the best way to test this out is

883
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,520
to come and to experience it, 
you know, for yourself. 

884
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,320
But there's a lot of, we have 
over 100 plus research studies, 

885
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,520
you know, demonstrating, you 
know, the benefits of this. 

886
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,680
And, and really, you know, from 
a scientific perspective, 

887
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,360
there's one of the breathing 
techniques that we teach on the 

888
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,920
course is called Ujjay breath or
victory breath. 

889
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:23,920
And this breathing technique, it
actually activates the the vagus

890
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,520
nerve, which they call like the 
second brain. 

891
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:33,240
And typically when we get 
stressed out, you know what 

892
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,880
happens? 
The mind, the cerebral cortex 

893
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,840
actually gets flooded by 
cortisol. 

894
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,280
Cortisol blocks neural 
communication. 

895
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:46,800
So if your neurons can't 
communicate, you're done. 

896
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,640
So instead of your wizard brain,
your cerebral cortex, where all 

897
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,560
the rational, intelligent, 
creative thinking happens, you 

898
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,680
you fall back to the amygdala, 
that kind of lizard brain, you 

899
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,760
know, where the fight or flight.
Yeah, the reptile is happening. 

900
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,760
Yep, exactly. 
Exactly. 

901
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:07,480
So if if we're stuck there, 
we're in reaction and not the 

902
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,640
best outcomes come out of that. 
But when you start to stimulate 

903
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:15,680
that vagus nerve, one of the the
aspects and one of the benefits 

904
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,440
of that is that it clears the 
cortisol in the cerebral cortex.

905
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,840
So you can flip back to your 
wizard brain that cerebral 

906
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,520
cortex reasoning in a rational 
intelligent thinking and you can

907
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,840
make a better decision. 
So, you know, not only is the 

908
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,480
breath something that is 
essential to keep us alive, it 

909
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:42,360
can be a very powerful tool to, 
you know, manage our mind and 

910
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,400
emotions. 
Hey guys, anybody out there, you

911
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,840
know, you get frustrated with, 
with your spouse, you get 

912
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,000
frustrated with your kids, you 
get frustrated with Co workers, 

913
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,720
you get, you get frustrated. 
You know what? 

914
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,920
You can mitigate that 
frustration with some breathing,

915
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,560
with some very simple breathing.
And you know, Spencer and his 

916
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,760
team and, and, and that's not 
even a this, this worldwide 

917
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,880
movement can show you that. 
And, and I mean, it's, it's, 

918
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,080
it's all over the world. 
You know, you've seen this thing

919
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,560
grow. 
How long have you been involved?

920
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,720
Because I mean, you're the 
president now in, in, in the 

921
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:20,320
Canadian arm of art of living. 
You've seen this thing grow 

922
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,760
considerably in your time since 
you've started to where we are 

923
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,840
now. 
Yeah, it's, it's incredible. 

924
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,600
I mean, now we're in a place 
where Art of Living Foundation, 

925
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:35,520
I mean, it was started, you 
know, in 1984 by Gouda Desh Sri 

926
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:41,080
Sri Abhi Shankar. 
By the way, is like has received

927
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:47,120
dozens and dozens and dozens of 
massive awards all around the 

928
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,920
world from all sorts of 
different countries, highest 

929
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,920
level or or some of the very 
high level awards that countries

930
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,080
have to offer. 
He has he has received them. 

931
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,360
He is a world changer. 
He is, he is that guy. 

932
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:58,480
And I mean, a lot of people 
haven't heard. 

933
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,720
It might not be a household 
name, but I mean an absolute 

934
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:04,880
world changer. 
Incredible, you know, I mean, 

935
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:09,040
you know, he is not only is he 
like a master of meditation and 

936
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,440
someone really walking the talk,
you know, someone living in the 

937
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,880
present moment all the time. 
And, you know, he could have 

938
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,160
just stayed in India however 
many years ago in the 80s that 

939
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,000
he started this and many people 
actually said, hey, there's so 

940
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,800
many people in India, why did 
you stay here? 

941
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,960
There's no need for you to go 
outside. 

942
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,840
But he said no, that, you know, 
this knowledge is for everyone. 

943
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:35,320
And that's the beauty of it is 
that this wisdom and meditation,

944
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,440
breathing techniques, yoga, this
is something for humanity. 

945
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,640
And it's, you know, it's 
effectively Vedic wisdom is what

946
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,840
we call it. 
It's, it's totally secular and 

947
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,960
doesn't matter, you know, who 
you pray to or not, or where 

948
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,680
you're from or what you look 
like. 

949
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,400
Really, this is something that 
is of value, you know, to 

950
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,720
everyone, you know that you see 
the, IT revolution and, and 

951
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,720
we've seen these, these cell 
phones, you know, everyone's got

952
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:08,320
it in their, in their back 
pocket and, and, and, and it's 

953
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,840
very useful and it's been 
something that's so useful to 

954
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,320
people. 
So it's spread, you know, 

955
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,280
throughout the world in all 
kinds of different languages and

956
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,360
all kinds of different 
countries. 

957
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,520
And I mean, I think the the 
movement and revolution we're 

958
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,360
involved in is the inner 
technology, another type of IT 

959
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,920
and. 
Oh, I love it. 

960
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,480
Another type of I'm writing it 
down. 

961
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:34,000
OK, the other this is the this 
is the good IT, not the IT. 

962
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,440
No offense to anybody who's in 
the no, I don't want, you know, 

963
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,200
a bunch of people coming at me 
saying that No, no, the the 

964
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:43,160
internal technology. 
I love that. 

965
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,320
What a great what a great 
stopper. 

966
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,160
That's a that's a that's a 
wonderful, wonderful phrase 

967
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:49,240
there. 
Yeah, internal. 

968
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:52,320
Technology. 
And I think for me, you know, 

969
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,560
good Dev, he's been such an 
inspiration, you know, just 

970
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,520
learning these techniques, how 
much they've transformed my 

971
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,120
lives and the lives of my 
students. 

972
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,280
And really he, he, he travels 
the world tirelessly. 

973
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:10,640
Like we are in 186 countries 
now, which is wild. 

974
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:17,000
There are, there are 40,000 Art 
of Living teachers that teach 

975
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,200
these techniques 40,000. 
I mean it is incredible. 

976
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:26,480
And I think last time the number
that we have for people that 

977
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:31,680
have taken our programs and and 
come to our events, we're at 

978
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:37,560
over 800 million. 
So it's wild that obviously it's

979
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,160
interesting, you know, we had 
such a global impact, but that's

980
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:44,040
part of why we're having the 
conversation now is that, you 

981
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,480
know, many people don't know 
about us at all here in Canada. 

982
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,400
And so we're doing our best to 
get ourselves out there and 

983
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,240
connect with people to say, hey,
you have your own way of life, 

984
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,840
you're very successful and a 
number of aspects of it. 

985
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,920
And we want to, we want to give 
you a few more tools that'll 

986
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,560
help you be even better and be 
able to be there more, you know,

987
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,760
aware and, and, and present with
your kids and, and your family 

988
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,720
and, yeah, help you enjoy life 
just that much more. 

989
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,880
I'm really glad you brought that
up because I'm in the comedy 

990
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:23,960
world a little bit. 
And so I'm constantly, I host 

991
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,520
the Letterman podcast, right? 
So I'm constantly looking at 

992
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,360
yeah, so I'm always looking at. 
Actually it's one of Daves 

993
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,440
Bridges right behind. 
Us right, right, Okay, cool, 

994
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,600
that's awesome. 
But and so I'm constantly 

995
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,800
staying up on what's going on in
kind of that world. 

996
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,080
And and recently Jerry Seinfeld 
was on, I think it was Neil 

997
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:42,680
Brennan's podcast. 
I think it was Neil. 

998
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,600
It might not have been, it might
have been Mark Norman's. 

999
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:45,560
I forget. 
They all blurred together. 

1000
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:50,280
But anyway, he has been a 
Transcendental Meditation 

1001
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,560
practitioner for a long, long, 
long, long time. 

1002
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,960
And so when somebody asked him 
about it, I forget who it was, 

1003
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,400
but it was one of them. 
They asked him about it. 

1004
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,960
And Jerry was like, no, it's a 
relaxation technique. 

1005
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,160
It's he, he basically said it 
has nothing to do because he's, 

1006
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,120
he's Jewish as well. 
And I mean, I'm not, I don't 

1007
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,640
know, you know, how, how far 
down the path he goes with his 

1008
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,200
spirituality. 
But basically it's been, it's 

1009
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,560
been thrown out there like the, 
the the the interviewer was 

1010
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,240
like, or the the conversation. 
He was shocked that Jerry would 

1011
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,640
say something like that. 
Because I think a lot of people 

1012
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,680
have a stigma when it comes to, 
again, meditation is a very 

1013
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,120
loaded word, you know, and, and 
I love the fact that you in 

1014
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,160
talking about this said, OK, 
well, hold on a second. 

1015
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,400
The stigma that's out there is 
that, OK, Well, if I'm going to 

1016
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,840
get into meditation and all of 
that sort of stuff, any other 

1017
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,680
religious, spiritual, 
philosophical practice that I 

1018
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,360
have formed my life around is in
jeopardy. 

1019
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,160
And, and I love the way that you
describe that. 

1020
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,360
I think it's really important 
because no, no breath work does 

1021
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,200
not mean that you're not, that 
you can't believe in the, in 

1022
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,280
the, the, the things that you 
believe in and things like that.

1023
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,400
I love the fact that you made 
that distinction. 

1024
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,320
Now, obviously people are going 
to go down different rabbit 

1025
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,520
holes and where, where they go, 
where life takes them, where 

1026
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,880
they're supposed to go. 
Hopefully, hopefully that's what

1027
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,160
we're all doing is where we're 
supposed to go. 

1028
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,720
And if we're not, these 
techniques will probably put it 

1029
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,120
in your face that you're not and
and maybe give you the insights 

1030
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,360
of the strength to make the 
change that you need to change 

1031
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,240
to to make. 
Sometimes that's what it 

1032
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,600
sometimes that's what it takes 
to do this sort of thing. 

1033
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,920
But I'm really grateful that you
made that distinction. 

1034
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:28,360
Now I want to I want to this 
came into my head as you were 

1035
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,320
talking a little bit earlier and
I want to I want to ask this. 

1036
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,280
It's almost like a like an 
American SAT type question. 

1037
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:38,640
Is meditation for the mind what 
yoga is for the body? 

1038
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,960
That's a great question. 
Yeah. 

1039
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:49,720
I mean, I think depends on how 
you define yoga, because yoga in

1040
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:50,840
one way. 
There you go. 

1041
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,880
Yeah, again, loaded word. 
There you go. 

1042
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,160
Exactly. 
So yoga in the way most people 

1043
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,440
understand it is like the yoga 
asanas, like the postures and 

1044
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,160
that kind of thing, which is one
part of yoga. 

1045
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,280
The other way that the more 
traditional definition of yoga 

1046
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:15,760
is this vast knowledge, this 
vast expansive kind of, you 

1047
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:20,400
know, library of Vedic wisdom. 
And this includes meditation 

1048
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,000
actually. 
And you could say that 

1049
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:28,720
definitely two things that are, 
are, are, are in the present 

1050
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,960
moment all the time. 
The one we already talked about 

1051
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,880
the breath, the breath and the 
other is the body. 

1052
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,520
So the body is, is constant, is 
always in the present moment. 

1053
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,960
So like you said, you know, 
these asanas actually 

1054
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,920
traditionally have been used one
of course, to stretch the body. 

1055
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,760
But but that's not the principal
reason that we do the asanas. 

1056
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,480
Principal reason we do the 
asanas actually is to prepare 

1057
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:02,760
the mind to go into meditation 
because like we started in the 

1058
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:08,040
beginning, if your body is in is
is tense, if your body is 

1059
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,120
stressed, you know, body and 
mind are connected. 

1060
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:16,280
So if your body is is tensed and
stressed and all, you know, 

1061
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,840
wigged out, then what's going to
happen to the mind? 

1062
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:23,160
Well, Yep, mind is going to go 
in the exact same place. 

1063
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:27,520
So if we're able to settle the 
body down with those yoga 

1064
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,440
asanas, then it becomes much 
more easy to, to meditate. 

1065
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,680
And I think that's another one I
really liked. 

1066
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,720
You know, how here you make 
things so practical for people. 

1067
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:41,640
And it's true, many people say 
that meditation, that'll never 

1068
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,800
be for me. 
I could never calm my mind and, 

1069
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,520
and do that, you know, and, and 
the, the idea that comes up is 

1070
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,720
that like, oh, a calm mind is a 
precursor for meditation. 

1071
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:58,080
I don't want to call my mind. 
I'm afraid as to what will be 

1072
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:02,200
there once it gets calm, you 
know, like what could come up. 

1073
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,320
I don't even or I can't calm my 
mind that's. 

1074
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:05,360
Another. 
I can't. 

1075
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:10,800
Yeah, yeah, 100 percent, 100%. 
So, so that's The thing is that,

1076
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,840
you know, through these asanas, 
you know, through movement work,

1077
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,960
even through like a lot of 
physical activity, like for, you

1078
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:22,360
know, the sports people here, we
work with a lot of athletes, the

1079
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:26,640
mind can calm down a lot with, 
with physical activity, you tire

1080
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,040
out the body, the mind becomes 
tired and calm. 

1081
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:37,120
But beyond that, you know, going
back to your, your question 

1082
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,360
about the asanas and the 
meditation for the mind, the 

1083
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,400
asanas are really meant to bring
the mind to a state of 

1084
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,280
meditation. 
And then the meditation 

1085
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:50,960
technique itself is supposed to 
kind of dive deeper into that, 

1086
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:56,400
so to speak. 
So you could think of it, yeah, 

1087
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:02,200
you could think of it as as the,
the awesomeness are bringing you

1088
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:07,040
kind of in front of the mirror 
and the meditation is looking in

1089
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:14,080
the mirror and experiencing that
depth of yourself and, and 

1090
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:18,920
seeing, yeah, how incredible you
are, how incredibly vast and, 

1091
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:25,040
and, and beautiful and, and, and
the depth and the peace and that

1092
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:26,920
love that's that's deep within 
you. 

1093
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,720
You know, like this is something
totally unrelated to what you 

1094
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,480
asked. 
But often, you know, we keep 

1095
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,920
changing cities, we keep 
changing partners, you know, 

1096
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:42,000
because we feel that there's 
something, you know, not right 

1097
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,040
about that other place or that 
other person. 

1098
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:48,640
But you know, how about we look 
at ourselves? 

1099
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,440
You know, you can, you can 
change, yeah, you can change 7 

1100
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,520
billion people on the planet or 
you can change one person. 

1101
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,400
And there. 
It is. 

1102
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:03,280
And and that you know, that is a
kind of AI think a bitter pill 

1103
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,640
to swallow for some of us. 
But once you do, once you do 

1104
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:13,560
have the courage to be yourself,
to open your arms up and 

1105
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,920
experience what is whatever 
emotion that be, whatever 

1106
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,760
thought that that may be you'd 
like. 

1107
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,960
The experience is beyond what I 
can share. 

1108
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,720
Like you will never, I will 
never be able to express to you 

1109
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,840
what it is. 
I mean, you know, you've you've 

1110
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:34,000
been meditating, but it it's you
can't communicate it. 

1111
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:38,720
It's something not of the mind. 
It's something of the of 

1112
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,720
experience. 
You need to experience it. 

1113
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:41,840
It can't be communicated. 
Oh. 

1114
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,840
Man, I like I said, I knew we 
both know time gets slippery 

1115
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:50,120
when we, when we do this here. 
And I mean like, right, This is 

1116
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,320
why I love long form so much 
because I feel like we're just 

1117
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,920
getting going. 
Like I've got 3 or 4 things that

1118
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,000
I want to jump into. 
Like I love having you here. 

1119
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,880
And, and, and I do like I've got
many other discussion points I 

1120
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,920
would like to go over with you. 
Can we do a Part 2 at some 

1121
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:06,880
point? 
Let's do it, love. 

1122
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:08,920
To. 
I want to do that because, 

1123
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,840
because I really feel like we're
just getting to the edge here. 

1124
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:17,360
Like, but what you just said is 
such also a perfect way to, to, 

1125
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,240
to cap your first appearance of,
of, of, of hopefully many 

1126
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,960
Spencer appearances on Ecast. 
Because the guys who are out 

1127
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:30,120
there who maybe as we've been 
talking, we've been maybe going 

1128
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,320
through some layers and really 
at the end of the day, you just,

1129
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,360
you just friggin hit it, man. 
It's, it's, it's, it's you could

1130
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,080
change 7 billion people. 
You could just go change 

1131
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:39,120
yourself. 
Yeah, really. 

1132
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,400
What is what is the way to do 
it? 

1133
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,560
You know, do you want that 
restless spirit where you're 

1134
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,240
constantly whatever it is, 
whether it's vehicles, whether 

1135
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,720
it's partners, whether it's 
cities, whether it's whatever it

1136
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,680
is looking for, the looking for 
it, looking for it, looking for 

1137
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:54,360
hold on a second, What if you 
got peaceful inside? 

1138
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:57,680
What you might find is what you 
end up looking for is completely

1139
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:01,400
different than what you would 
have had you not done that work 

1140
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:02,360
and. 
I mean that can. 

1141
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,560
Be location that can be all of 
that stuff, right? 

1142
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,560
And, and, and there's guys out 
there who are listening to this 

1143
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:11,960
right now who I hope I pray get 
a light bulb moment realizing 

1144
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,880
that, you know, it might not be 
about everybody else and it 

1145
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,600
probably isn't about everybody 
else. 

1146
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,640
In fact, if you get yourself 
bulletproof, it's not about 

1147
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,320
anybody else because you're 
bulletproof. 

1148
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,960
It's always about you and what 
other people do are what they're

1149
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,240
going to do. 
And this is where you get to. 

1150
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:28,400
Is that am I? 
Am I? 

1151
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,480
Am I right on that? 
Yeah, 100 percent, 100%. 

1152
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:36,480
I think that's the incredible 
journey that no one can do for 

1153
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,720
you. 
You know, you and I can share 

1154
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,600
our experiences, we can share, I
mean, people can feel it, right?

1155
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,960
You know, the enthusiasm you 
bring, you know, to the way you 

1156
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:52,120
present and the way you share, 
You know, like, like you can 

1157
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:55,320
tell that that, you know, you're
a competent person and you're 

1158
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,880
doing these practices like, like
this is something that you need 

1159
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:05,200
to experience for yourself. 
And, and, and I think that if, 

1160
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,280
if we could say one thing, you 
know, for you to take that first

1161
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,840
step, you know, whether it be 
to, you know, come on, we've got

1162
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,840
a lot of videos on YouTube. 
If you check out Art of Living, 

1163
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:18,720
we've got a a YouTube channel 
and there's many different very 

1164
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,840
short exercises. 
People can try something out of 

1165
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:21,800
it. 
They just want to kind of want 

1166
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,840
to dip their toes in and they're
not ready to invest in a deeper 

1167
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:29,720
dive program yet. 
But I would encourage you to to 

1168
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,240
really. 
Yeah, put yourself first. 

1169
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:36,120
You know, that that often used 
analogy of the oxygen mask, you 

1170
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:40,800
know, and, and you know, we 
don't, we don't read that, you 

1171
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,880
know, safety card in the 
airplane anymore because we all 

1172
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,680
know what it says. 
It says that you got to put your

1173
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,840
cell, your mask on in order to 
help the the baby beside you, 

1174
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:54,080
right. 
And, and really, you know, you 

1175
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:58,880
do so much for everyone around 
you and often one person gets 

1176
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,640
left out. 
So if you haven't already done 

1177
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:07,520
so, you know, just take take 
charge of it today and and 

1178
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:11,160
decide for yourself, OK, I'm 
going to take 10 minutes out and

1179
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,360
I'm going to do this breathing 
exercise or I'm going to, you 

1180
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,399
know, do something that's that 
helps me be more present. 

1181
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:20,680
You know, maybe you've been 
really longing to do some kind 

1182
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,600
of guided meditation or you've 
been longing to go and take a 

1183
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,479
walk or, or, or do your favorite
workout. 

1184
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,479
You haven't done it for weeks, 
but you know, being able to set 

1185
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,840
aside that time for yourself I 
find is like, is like a great 

1186
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,840
first step. 
And yeah, I really hope everyone

1187
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,240
can can take that time for their
self today. 

1188
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:43,080
Spencer, I, I, I just, I cannot 
tell you how much I appreciate 

1189
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,319
you sharing your experiences, 
what you've learned and what you

1190
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:49,359
guys are doing. 
You know, I can't thank you 

1191
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:51,040
enough for that. 
And again, I'm going to hold you

1192
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:51,680
to it. 
We're cut. 

1193
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,200
We're doing Part 2. 
I'm even deeper. 

1194
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:55,880
This is going to be. 
Fantastic. 

1195
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,439
Well, well, a lot of people. 
OK, so, so artofliving.org, we 

1196
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,600
can go there. 
What about you on social media? 

1197
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,399
Do you have a do you have a 
social media presence that you 

1198
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:07,319
kind of get out there or do you 
like, like how do people find 

1199
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:08,520
you? 
Yeah, for sure. 

1200
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,720
Yeah, I'm a social media. 
I'm on Instagram, you can just 

1201
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:19,160
look up my name, Spencer Delisle
SPENCERDELISLE and I'm also on 

1202
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,640
under the same name on Twitter. 
And then I'm on, of course, 

1203
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,520
Facebook and on LinkedIn as well
with under the same name. 

1204
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,000
Those are great ways to to get 
in touch. 

1205
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,840
And yeah, any, any questions 
anyone has, I look at those 

1206
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,160
regularly. 
So feel free to drop me a line. 

1207
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,520
And yeah, we can, we can get you
set up. 

1208
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,960
It's incredible journey. 
And yeah, I hope you all have an

1209
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:46,279
opportunity to get to know 
yourself better yourself. 

1210
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:49,120
You, you're, you've been smiling
at everybody else and yourself 

1211
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,080
has been, you know, really 
craving for a smile and dying 

1212
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,120
for a smile. 
And this is your opportunity to 

1213
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,560
do so. 
So I'm looking forward to, to 

1214
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,800
being there as a, as a, as a 
vehicle for you for that. 

1215
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,760
Imagine if we treated ourselves 
the way that we treat our kids. 

1216
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,560
Or like my, my, my 
granddaughter. 

1217
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,840
My granddaughter is everything. 
She's 8 years old and she is my 

1218
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:08,880
best friend. 
She's everything. 

1219
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,680
I see her five days a week. 
Imagine if I treated myself the 

1220
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,760
way I treat her. 
I can't even. 

1221
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,680
I can't even imagine and, and 
and yet that's really at the end

1222
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,000
of the day, one of the keys it's
it's not selfish. 

1223
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,720
And I think that that that, you 
know, self-care is not selfish 

1224
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,960
at all. 
And we've really, really dove 

1225
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,800
into some really cool concepts 
here for the guys that are out 

1226
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,920
there, You know, thank you so 
much for for, for hanging in and

1227
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,120
listening to this conversation. 
Thank you so much for everybody 

1228
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,720
who has downloaded the app. 
If you haven't, if you want to 

1229
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,280
know what it's all about, go to 
hechangedit.com and you can 

1230
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,360
check out what's all happening. 
This, this thing that we want to

1231
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:44,680
do, we want to do what Art of 
Living is doing. 

1232
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:46,440
We want to literally transform 
the world. 

1233
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:48,720
And there's so many good things 
here. 

1234
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,280
There's so many topics we didn't
even get to. 

1235
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,320
A little bit of boredom is a 
good thing. 

1236
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:53,840
Don't just start doom scrolling 
after this. 

1237
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,640
Sit for 20 minutes and just 
think. 

1238
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:57,920
Just just with no outcome 
whatsoever. 

1239
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,480
Let your mind do what it's going
to do. 

1240
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:01,880
You are a light in this world, 
Spencer. 

1241
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,760
You really, really are. 
I appreciate you and what it is 

1242
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:06,200
that you're doing and what you 
stand for. 

1243
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,000
Thank you so much. 
This has been another episode of

1244
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,200
he cast the official podcast of 
he changed it. 

1245
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:13,800
My name is Mike Chisholm. 
Go change something.