1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:03,840 Welcome to Heat Cast, the official podcast of He Changed 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,560 It. As always, I am Mike Chisholm as 3 00:00:05,560 --> 00:00:08,280 always. I am so excited to be here and 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,920 to talk about the world of men's mental Wellness in all of the 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,040 facets and pathways that we explore in that topic. 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,000 Obviously, we are the official podcast of He Changed It. 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,720 If you haven't downloaded the He Changed It app, what are you 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,560 Waiting for? It has never looked better. 9 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,080 Things are happening behind the scenes. 10 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:28,560 It's, I know I'm a broken record when it comes to that, but it's 11 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,040 just really exciting to watch this thing grow. 12 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,960 And at the end of the day, you know he changed. 13 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,040 It is the first men's mental Wellness platform that has been 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,680 created and we're incredibly proud of of what's been 15 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,880 happening and what is going to happen now. 16 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:51,400 We have been in partnership for some special episodes of he cast 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,800 with a company called Telus for the Canadians. 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,520 You know what Telus is for other people around the world, you 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,040 might not necessarily know who they are. 20 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,920 Telus is a massive, massive communications company in 21 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,080 Canada. Cell phone provider, broadcast 22 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,040 television provider, massive Internet provider. 23 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:17,680 And we went into and did a very cool program with Telus and in 24 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,960 it the result was 5 amazing episodes of he cast, which we 25 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:24,880 are now going to put out on our platform here. 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,400 The episodes are with a band, The band is called Proper Man 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,840 and a proper man is a local band from Kelowna, BC and all five 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,600 members have a story. The entire band has a story. 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,240 And so as a narrative, all five episodes tie in together kind of 30 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,600 like Voltron, you know a whole bunch of robots coming together 31 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,760 to make one super robot, kind of like that. 32 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,680 Each episode is amazing and I'm so proud of the work that we 33 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,680 have done. I'm so proud to be friends with 34 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,000 these guys and it's a pretty special story. 35 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:04,080 So without further ado he cast the official podcast of He 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,759 Changed it would like to present a proper man the he cast 37 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:18,480 conversations. Welcome to he cast the official 38 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:24,000 podcast of He Changed It. This episode is a lot of fun to 39 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,600 create an introduction for because Jason parks in many 40 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,600 respects he is the backbone of proper man. 41 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,800 He just is. He is a very successful 42 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,680 businessman here in Kelowna owns wineries and and and other 43 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,560 projects but he's also an artist and and I love that Jason has 44 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:49,600 found a way to take the idea of commerce and the idea of art and 45 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,600 and and put them together. He was a winemaker but with 46 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,240 visions of of building really cool stuff and he has built 47 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,880 really cool stuff of his wineries. 48 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,560 One of which is crowned thieves. Crowned thieves of course. 49 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,520 Downstairs has a Speakeasy. The Speakeasy is called the 50 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,560 Broken Hearts club. It is an unbelievable room and 51 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,040 and that room of course houses proper man. 52 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,080 They get they literally have a house. 53 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:18,480 They're the house band for this amazing Speakeasy and and Jason, 54 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:26,720 the thing I love about Jason is that he is unabashedly imperfect 55 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,800 and that's what he says. You know he he's the first 56 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,360 person to do self deprecation and and and and and downplay 57 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,600 much of the success that has come from these visions that he 58 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,240 has had and and and I just appreciate him so much because 59 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,880 you know it takes guys like that to make this world run. 60 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,080 It just does but at the same time the humbleness that he has 61 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:54,280 is is is unbelievable. I appreciate Jason Parks so much 62 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:59,840 the lead singer and the really the backbone behind proper man. 63 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:06,920 The guy who is is is has driven the bus and I mean works so 64 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,840 seamlessly with these other four guys. 65 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,520 Jason Parks is a special special dude and it is an incredible 66 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,880 privilege to present the he cast conversations with proper man 67 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:24,200 lead singer founder Jason Parks. I'm not nervous for this one. 68 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,680 I'm excited. For this one, this is awesome. 69 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:30,920 I'm so glad that we've been able to pin you down and actually get 70 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,040 you here to have a conversation. I was late. 71 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,160 Oh. No, no, that part, that part I'm 72 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,400 saying because the life that you lead is such that it is 73 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:45,160 difficult to pin you down. The staff have used the term 74 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,320 parks time a couple of times that I've heard in our 75 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,200 interactions and our getting to know each other. 76 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,280 I've heard parks time a couple of times. 77 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,240 You got a lot of stuff going on, Jason. 78 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:58,640 Yeah. You got a lot of stuff going on, 79 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:04,040 yeah, personally, professionally and and and all of those things 80 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,120 mixed together, family as well, of course. 81 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,360 But you've got a lot of stuff going on. 82 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,560 Yeah. Can we go through kind of the 83 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,800 list right now of of of some of the things that you have. 84 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,520 So, OK, wine maker. Wine maker. 85 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,240 But I don't want to. That's the most romantic word 86 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,800 for me, but definitely have been a wine maker. 87 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,880 OK, I'm a wine maker. And that's what started. 88 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,320 This, but the last few years I have a team of people that 89 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,080 worked with me from the beginning, that are taking over 90 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,360 that duty that are I would. I probably say they're better 91 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,360 than me at what I'm making now. So I'm not in the cellar every 92 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,760 day. My goal was to build ship stuff, 93 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,680 sorry, and get back into the cellar and have red hands again. 94 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,080 But I don't know if I'll get there. 95 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,760 Like this year or just at some point in your life, in my life. 96 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,920 It was always to build cool stuff that was everyone could be 97 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,840 proud of them. And then I go hide in the cellar 98 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:57,880 with the barrels again. And I don't know if my path is 99 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,920 going to take me back there. I I hope it will in some way, 100 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,320 yeah. But I've bit off more than I can 101 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,320 chew on those days, so. Well, building cool stuff. 102 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:12,000 I mean, this gets to the other half dozen big things that 103 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,160 you're doing or so. OK, so but you love the wine 104 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,600 making and you still. That's still. 105 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,920 It was, yeah. It's savior. 106 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:20,640 Wow. It's a story there. 107 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,400 Yeah. Well and I I kind of want to get 108 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,560 to that. I want to get to the to to how 109 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,040 that started because that's kind of a for lack of a better term 110 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,640 organic really, really cool organic way that you got into 111 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,920 that. I I love that part of your story 112 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,920 too. I mean you have so many layers 113 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,600 that we could go with when it comes to this obviously proper 114 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,320 man is where we're we're taking this particular project but 115 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,960 there's so many other dimensions to what it is that you you have 116 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,440 done. But let's just OK, so the wine 117 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,480 maker thing, that's a passion. Maybe we get to that and this 118 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,720 one, maybe we don't. But then you started building 119 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,880 cool stuff. And by by building cool stuff, 120 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,480 many different aspects of that, businesses included. 121 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:01,400 Yeah. So let's start with the 122 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,880 businesses, cuz how many wineries do you have now? 123 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,560 That we I work with and have and I and I want it to be known. 124 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,760 I'm not like some big pocketed wallet rich guy. 125 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,920 I'm involved with them and I have pieces that I own a little 126 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,360 bit and stuff like that, but there's some support there, so I 127 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:19,800 don't want people to think that I'm this. 128 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,480 OK. What's the brand? 129 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,120 Let's The brand is Jason Parks. Custom brand is Jason Parks 130 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,960 Custom. But where it did start out in 131 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,400 was a was a was a. The brand was called seller Ham 132 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,680 Wines when I was by myself. So not to get too far into the 133 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,280 wine making thing, but what led me to here was making wine but 134 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:40,840 then helping people develop brands and ideas, helping people 135 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,840 achieve their own dreams. So I called it seller hand. 136 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,280 It's a name for a helper in the seller. 137 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,520 Yeah. But in my world it was a way of 138 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,320 giving people a hand to make their dreams and to build brands 139 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,960 and stuff. So that's where it all started. 140 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,920 Yeah, conceptually was me just, you know, making 15 bucks an 141 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,640 hour and making wine. But say hey, I got a brand idea 142 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,080 for you and try this and and maybe the seller should look 143 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,280 like this and don't. I got involved in that very 144 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,600 early and helped a lot of wineries that are existing today 145 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,360 start up when I was younger in my in my career. 146 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:17,400 Have you, I mean, growing up in in Kitimat, was helping people 147 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,000 something that was you were just born with that's a gift or 148 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,440 that's a that's a passion you've always just had? 149 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,760 Yeah, a passion for sure. Like I never knew I wasn't that 150 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,440 good in school. I was a dreamer, musician for 151 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,200 sure. Stars. 152 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,280 I thought for sure I was going to be a rock star. 100% believed 153 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:36,320 it. So I didn't. 154 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:37,799 I went and I didn't learn very well. 155 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,280 And my backup plan when I was younger was to work with 156 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,200 disabled kids. It was to do, there's always 157 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,960 things like that, that my heart went to where I'd be 158 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,880 comfortable, where I felt I had value. 159 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,000 So yeah, in a way. But then I learned through the 160 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,560 years that that's just also, I think helping people. 161 00:08:57,560 --> 00:08:59,240 You're helping yourself just as much. 162 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,160 So it's not like I sit there going that I want to help people 163 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,200 do stuff and go, oh you're you're such a nice guy because 164 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,440 there's something that that's giving me that I'm grateful that 165 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,400 I have that opportunity for. Yeah. 166 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,400 So it's a two way two way St. I'm a big fan of David Letterman 167 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,200 and one of the things that he has said is is people have have 168 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,200 talked to him about giving and helping other people and whatnot 169 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:24,480 and and and he has many times, much like yourself trying to 170 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,000 compliment you, it's trying to like hold a slippery fish. 171 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,240 It's really tough to do that with some of these people. 172 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,920 Letterman's one of them and people have said that to him 173 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,160 about being generous or helping people, helping hand what you're 174 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,400 talking about here. And he just brushes it off and 175 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:39,600 goes. It's a selfish pursuit. 176 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,920 It's selfish because it makes you feel so darn good when you 177 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,400 help somebody. And it's it is, it is literally 178 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,120 a secret to life. If you can show somebody on a 179 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,080 small level, on a big level, like a dream coming true level, 180 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,040 if you can be an usher of something like that, there is no 181 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,320 better feeling. Than, no, it's massive. 182 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:57,560 Yeah, it's a huge thing. But it's not selfish. 183 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,240 No. It makes the world a better 184 00:09:59,240 --> 00:09:59,560 place. I. 185 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:02,920 I know, OK. But in my mind I have to look at 186 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,920 it like you can't. I don't know. 187 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,200 I don't know how to say you don't ever want to sit there and 188 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,400 look at yourself and think, well look what I've done for that 189 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,080 person. It's like what are we doing 190 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,080 together as people? Because if I'm giving that thing 191 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,240 over and I'm driving home back in the day in my old Datsun beat 192 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,480 up car and I showed someone a wine and can't with a name and 193 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,320 they started to get tear out. Well, I'm bawling my eyes on the 194 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,360 way home because they gave me that feeling right. 195 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,440 So I got very addicted to that and wanted to do that. 196 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,120 And it's not a I'm not saying it because again, to be like some 197 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,200 good person, it's just nobody's already accused. 198 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:34,520 Of frightening Jason. It's OK. 199 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:36,400 It's just, it's just what I was into. 200 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,840 It was really enjoyable. It felt really good. 201 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,560 Just like I like to write songs because I want to make people 202 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:43,240 feel something. It's it's coming from the same 203 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:44,080 spot. But yeah, it's the most 204 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,600 egotistical thing you can do is get on that stage. 205 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,760 In my time, look at me and I'm going to sing to you. 206 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,200 But I love it when I look out and someone's got some teary 207 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,360 eyes. That's that's what it's all 208 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:54,200 about. Yes. 209 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,440 Well, the emotional response that comes from music, I've I've 210 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,240 said it many times. It's to me, I think of some of 211 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:03,960 the best. I'm literally covered in 212 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,480 goosebumps right now because I think I was about to say I think 213 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,560 of some of the best concerts I've ever been to in my life 214 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,400 that I'm thinking about 20 years later. 215 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,520 And it literally is the same thing to me as a religious 216 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,960 experience. Yes, it can be almost out of 217 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,360 body, right? Very, very much. 218 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,040 Floating. There's a thing about it, and if 219 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,920 you can make somebody feel that, then you're very fortunate. 220 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:25,880 Oh yeah. Yeah, well, and it's a given. 221 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,000 And other members of the band at this point, you haven't seen any 222 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,840 of the other interviews. None of you have seen each 223 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,600 other's interviews at all. Yeah, but it's come up a few 224 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:39,600 times where the give and take, the being on stage feels so 225 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,200 good, but then you give it back to the audience and you see how 226 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,560 good it makes the audience feel and how almost symbiotic that 227 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:45,480 experience. Is, yeah. 228 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,360 It's a cool thing. You know, and you've always 229 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,680 been, you've always had music. You just had your foot in the 230 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:54,160 pool, sometimes deeper than others because as you're 231 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,920 building this cool stuff that you're building, it must be 232 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,440 really, really tough to find the balance. 233 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,600 Yeah, to do that because your businesses and the businesses 234 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,160 that you are a part of. Let's talk about Jason Parks 235 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,080 Customs for a second. Yeah. 236 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,320 What are the subsidiaries of Jason Parks customs? 237 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,560 What are the places the brands inside, inside of that? 238 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:16,840 What does that encompass? OK. 239 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,440 The Hatch is the number one where we. 240 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:19,640 So that's a winery. Yeah, that's. 241 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,720 Your first winery. That was the first one that we 242 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,240 tried the stupid idea at it should have been called the 243 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,040 incubator cuz all these things came out of the Hatch. 244 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,080 So and after the Hatch we went over and we did blacksmith which 245 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,600 started at the Hatch. As the egg is representing the 246 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:39,000 hatching, we've got crown and thieves, which is was an idea 247 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,440 for a long time and the one that I thought had the most potential 248 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,080 to fail. So I did it on my own existing 249 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,360 property to make sure that, you know, if I was going to screw 250 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,760 something up, it would affect me the most personally. 251 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:50,440 And that's where we are right now, by the way. 252 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,240 That's where the Broken Hearts Club is. 253 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:53,680 It's at the bottom of. That's why it's called the 254 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:55,240 Broken Hearts Club. That was all going to go to 255 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,720 shit, sit down and crying along with my drinks, going to go 256 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,760 nowhere. We got Truck 59 which is just 257 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,720 over there. That's a that's a cider. 258 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,360 A cider, Yeah. Yeah, we got that. 259 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,560 That's where you park to come to Crown, and we recently thought 260 00:13:09,560 --> 00:13:11,560 we could try something with smoked meat and beer at the 261 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:14,320 Hatching Post. And that's the saloon that you 262 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:15,960 opened. You literally opened a saloon. 263 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:20,280 Yeah, we've built it and and tried to replicate that type of 264 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,280 energy and visual, yeah. My wife's prediction, and I 265 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,560 don't think it's a, you know, her prediction for you, is that 266 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:29,440 that a distillery is next and there's going to be your own 267 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,000 spirits inside that saloon. Is she spirits? 268 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,160 Yes. There's a spot that we have and 269 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:40,120 we call it ghost Notes, because if we do a distillery, it'll be 270 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,040 called that. My son helped me with that idea. 271 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:44,680 There we go. Yeah, so. 272 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:45,800 But I. Don't know if I want to do a 273 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,680 distillery, I want to go to Mexico and have tacos. 274 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,360 I'm getting tired distillery to do it right. 275 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,280 Like that's the one thing. Like you look at these places 276 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,200 and they look like, I don't say gimmicky, but they can be like I 277 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,160 I've had some hurtful things. I've heard some hurtful words 278 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,720 about. We're trying to do all these 279 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,560 things because it's not about the wine or it's not about the 280 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:09,080 beer or the product when really if they only knew how much love 281 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,080 and attention went into that. But if you're going to do 282 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:12,840 spirits right where I'm going with it, you need time. 283 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,880 And where I'm at right now in my life, I think it it could be 284 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:18,920 something that we do. But I want to be careful if it's 285 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,160 done, we got to do it very, very, very well and pay respect 286 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,440 to that product. And I don't know cuz I whiskeys 287 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,160 and stuff, I take a bit of time. So I'm not sure if that will 288 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,600 ever happen, but it's been talked about a bit, yeah. 289 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,000 What's the name of it? Ghosts. 290 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,840 Ghost notes. Ghost Notes What? 291 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:39,440 Can I talk about it? Yes. 292 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,160 So ghosts, Obviously it's a musical thing. 293 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,760 Sure, Yeah. Justin does a lot of ghost 294 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,040 notes. Flavour from the This has notes 295 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,480 of yeah and there's there's that, but what I wanted to. 296 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,520 Do is it's something goes to something that you may not see 297 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,040 or is a past or present thing. So all of the aging and the 298 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,080 things that we be putting into the products of the spirits 299 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,400 would be coming from past. So it could be an old barrel 300 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,400 that is from Hawaiian from 2000. You got notes of that, and the 301 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,160 ghost of that is in that spirit. And it kind of has right now, 302 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:10,880 yeah. Yeah, it's cool. 303 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,680 It's a cool idea, yeah. And because the idea is cool, 304 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:16,920 that's why I'm not writing it off. 305 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,600 When you have an idea that just fits and it's got something 306 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,960 special. It's not that I really want to 307 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,600 make whiskey. There's lots you can buy in the 308 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,520 store. But the idea is good and it 309 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:28,840 might give someone a cool experience. 310 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,120 But I like the branding idea of it for sure. 311 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,440 It could be cool. So this is the part where I got 312 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,360 to say, OK, so there's this part of you as well that loves to 313 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,320 create clearly an artist. I mean, we're talking about 314 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,000 proper man with the music and whatnot. 315 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,320 We're going to talk lots about that. 316 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,680 But these businesses you've created, I mean, like, again, I 317 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,680 know it's not braggadocious, it's not ego driven. 318 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,560 I'm just curious because you didn't come from an 319 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,160 entrepreneurial background and money and all this. 320 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,560 So you came from a small town in northern BC Yeah. 321 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,360 And and and and yet you are this entrepreneur that has how many? 322 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:02,360 Like how many employees do you have? 323 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,320 In the summertime there's probably 150, a 150. 324 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,880 People working and I. And again, I'm going to say it 325 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,560 because I know you probably won't. 326 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,280 I know how much you care about these people that work for you. 327 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,280 I know that you want to make their, you want make their lives 328 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,520 better, whether they're with you for a season. 329 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,400 No, no pun intended. Or or or people who have like 330 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:25,560 linked arms with you and are like. 331 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,400 And you have those too. You have people who have seen 332 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,680 the vision of what you're doing and wanted to follow and be part 333 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,120 of this that. That that part of my little 334 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,360 journey has been the most where I suck the most. 335 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,480 I sincerely do care about everybody, but I've done a very, 336 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,120 not a very good job of always making sure that everyone could 337 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,280 feel it because there is so many people or people don't get it. 338 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,960 It's a weird company in that way because I am this, it's not ran 339 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,360 like I have a guy helping me. I call him my smart guy. 340 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,960 His name's Graham. He's really smart because the 341 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,480 way that I kind of run it, it is about culture, it is about 342 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:05,960 caring. It is about growing people. 343 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,520 Like I got an opportunity and I always want to do that because 344 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,720 again, it's the helping thing, which as Dale Lehman says, it's 345 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,160 it's for selfish as well selfish pursuit. 346 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,359 And I've tried to do that and I've I've there's some great 347 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:18,760 stories. There's some great successes, 348 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,400 but I've got my failures too. And I'm still learning on how to 349 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,880 manage myself, on how to grow somebody. 350 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,960 Because sometimes growing somebody doesn't mean that I'm 351 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,560 sitting there having a coffee with them everyday, right? 352 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,680 It could be doing it in a way that doesn't help them grow in 353 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,360 the company that I'm running and they don't like me anymore. 354 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,040 But the lesson they took will help them later. 355 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,840 And that has been hard. That's been hard. 356 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:44,800 That's that's parenting that's friendship that's I mean like my 357 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,040 best friends that I've had in my life are the ones who are you 358 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,040 know that's that's that's I mean takedown to love you. 359 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:51,920 If you truly love somebody, you let them go. 360 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,360 If they come back there like you know that that like that's a 361 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:59,520 really pure intention that you're talking about and and 362 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,040 pure intentions many times don't end up. 363 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,680 No. And it's been it's been a 364 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,720 learning thing, cuz I actually thought I might be pretty good 365 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,000 at it. And that's one thing that I've 366 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,200 learned. I I I'm still gonna, I'll never 367 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,280 learn how to do it perfectly. But I do try my best to have a 368 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,600 culture for people that they feel accepted. 369 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,120 They can be creative, they can be a punk rocker, they can be an 370 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:24,480 outcast, they can suck, they can learn, they can make mistakes, 371 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,720 they can do it all and they're sheltered to do it and grow. 372 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,280 As long as they're a good, honest person, I will stick with 373 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,560 them, you know, till the end. But it's been a learning process 374 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,920 on how to do that correctly, that it's benefiting the human, 375 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:37,520 I guess that's what I'm trying to say. 376 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,960 And the big picture? Yeah, their big picture. 377 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,000 That's right. Yeah, there you go. 378 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,360 Not, not, not the JPC picture necessarily. 379 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:46,760 Yeah, and that's what I figured out. 380 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,080 And that part is much less, It's definitely much less thankless, 381 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,000 cuz they won't even know if you're doing it. 382 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,160 And I thought before, well OK, I get to feel good today, cuz it's 383 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:56,800 no you don't. It doesn't work that way. 384 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,880 It works differently than that. And that's been a real 385 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,160 interesting thing to learn about. 386 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:07,000 Still learning. What about owning, being a 387 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,880 business guy? Because you clearly, you enjoy 388 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,000 branding, you think about ideas for other people, you think 389 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,480 about these, you know, it's just you can't turn the switch off. 390 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,680 Yeah, that happens. Yeah, you do it for yourself. 391 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:18,960 You've done it for others, that kind of a thing. 392 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,840 Owning these businesses and having these endeavours. 393 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,960 What are what are some of your favorite parts of it? 394 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,680 Is it the creativity? Again, I'm going to go back to 395 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,240 the yes. Yeah there's like I loved 396 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,600 putting this place together sitting on the graph paper 397 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,720 annoying the you know architects and the builders everyday and 398 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:41,840 you know having an old fashioned one. 399 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,960 It's like yeah it's it's just I'm so lucky because my brain is 400 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,880 is pretty busy up there so that's when I feel a a calmness 401 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,440 is when I'm doing a lot but it is it does come back down to and 402 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,600 it it sounds like I'm over going on about it too much. 403 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,080 It is the people that's seeing the the growth in humans, people 404 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,160 buying in and. Growing in their own life over a 405 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,120 period of, you know, 24567 years. 406 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:10,640 Conquering things that like, I'm gonna like to think about that 407 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,760 when I'm all done. I'm not gonna think about the 408 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,400 the bears on the ceiling right. That's just a couple whiskies. 409 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,200 Everyone thinks so. That should go. 410 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,760 It's the humans and their development for me that has been 411 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,200 definitely very, very beautiful, very cool. 412 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,520 That's an interesting thought because you know, as creative as 413 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,520 you are and as much of A, you know, create creator as you are. 414 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,440 Imagine you doing that in a white room where you just let 415 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,760 your brain do its thing and you have access to anything that you 416 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,880 want to do that a replicator or you know, whatever you want to 417 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,640 call it, a 3D printer that would do anything that your mind 418 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,960 desires or your heart desires. If you don't have the people, it 419 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,200 doesn't sound like you have the fuel. 420 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:50,280 Totally. That's that. 421 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,880 It's the it's the collaborative experience as well. 422 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,760 Totally, yeah. And it's the. 423 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,800 Connections like I like. I grew up being in bands, so I'm 424 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,440 used to having a a group, you know, and people like I know a 425 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,920 lot of people, but I don't got a lot of friends. 426 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,880 Like I know a lot of people. I've got a couple that are close 427 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,280 I'm close with, but it's a pretty small group of people 428 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,000 that come to my house, you know? So I'm more comfortable in 429 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,480 groups and I think that I need that group to feel confident in 430 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,680 myself. So if people aren't believing in 431 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,160 themselves and in turn believing back in what I'm doing, it'd be 432 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,760 a lonely, pointless journey. That's a different kind of 433 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,920 person, right? That can be a very ego driven, 434 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,480 self-centered person, which doesn't mean they're a bad 435 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,560 person. Those people can be great people 436 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,680 and do great things, but that's not my DNA. 437 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,800 I'm working on it though, because I'm told I got to get a 438 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,040 bit more like that, but it it it's not my DNA. 439 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:42,880 You're learning how to take a compliment. 440 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,160 I'm yeah, we're getting there. I well, I I thought I looked 441 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,840 good this morning because of my cauliflower diet. 442 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,880 And why are you on the cauliflower diet? 443 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,760 Because I'm going to Mexico. I want my wife to think I'm hot. 444 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:56,880 Yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to do it. 445 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,520 I I, I I appreciate the candor. I appreciate the puzzle that you 446 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,320 are because you are you know you're talking about OK well not 447 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,280 a lot of people have gone to my house two of the members of 448 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,920 proper Men have lived in your house and and so to me that's 449 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,560 awesome. It is it. 450 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:21,920 It really, really is I I. It's so funny how your your 451 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,960 sense of worth is fascinating to me. 452 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,320 I believe papers could be written. 453 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,120 I'm not a I'm not a a therapist or a psychiatrist or 454 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:30,200 psychologist or whatever. I believe that your personality 455 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:35,400 is the type where papers could be written because there is so 456 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:40,440 much pure enjoyment in life. There is so much creativity that 457 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,720 has manifested itself in real things. 458 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,640 These properties all have an energy a personality on their 459 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,840 own. You've collaborated with people 460 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,560 and and done that and and taken much joy in that yet whenever 461 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,840 someone seems to compliment you on that it's immediately put it 462 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,520 pushed aside and and and I'm I'm I'm fascinated by your 463 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,640 definition of self worth. A lot of guys out there at 464 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,360 different age groups, what we talk about these guys that are 465 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:12,320 in our 40s, that's really where, you know, middle-aged men is 466 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,440 where where this project is, is is what really focused on when 467 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:21,160 it comes to yourself worth scale of one to 10, where do you feel 468 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,080 that yourself worth is? Never thought of it before. 469 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,040 I don't know. I have to ask other people that 470 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,120 are around. Me. 471 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,800 I don't think that's how it. Works, I know. 472 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,000 No, I don't know. Because everybody else would be 473 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:35,880 saying you're a 10 out of. Ten. 474 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:36,160 Yeah. Yeah. 475 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,640 I don't know. Like, I I don't know. 476 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,680 I'm very proud of who I am. I like who I am. 477 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,720 OK. I when I was younger it's 478 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:44,800 getting might get a little bit deeper. 479 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:49,520 When I was younger I definitely if I was into a doctor the, you 480 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,240 know I would be diagnosed with something that that that young 481 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,440 people would get diagnosed with today, may it be like ADHD or 482 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,080 depression or whatever it is, right. 483 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,680 So I was very quiet. So I didn't talk like this when 484 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,000 I was very young. I was too nervous. 485 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,640 I used to do this thing where I'd be like I almost said you 486 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,600 want some potato. I said no thank you, no thank 487 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,760 you, yeah. I would talk to myself like I 488 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,240 was a little different and as I was getting older and a teenager 489 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,320 and I was trying to do my thing, I would go into very, very dark 490 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:24,760 depression places and it just like it was, it was scary. 491 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,800 I used to think that I'm not going to live past whatever I'm 492 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,880 just going to, so I'm just going to go hard and play it. 493 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,000 And I did. I left, ran away from home when 494 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,600 I was younger and playing at a bar band with spandex, long hair 495 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,520 and, you know, bands and strippers all on the same floor. 496 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,280 Sorry Christy, I just had happened and I lived a 497 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,480 lifestyle. I was very quiet. 498 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,200 I wasn't like a crazy guy, but I lived a pretty wild lifestyle 499 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,360 because hiding in in this stuff, right? 500 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,080 But what what I'm where I'm going with it is, is I found 501 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,600 later on that the way that I've medicated myself personally is 502 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,320 to be doing a lot. I have to do a lot of things to 503 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,760 keep to get that balance. Where I have that Zen happiness. 504 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,760 I have to be doing immense amount of work to get that 505 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,040 balance. If I don't, I go into a very 506 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,560 depressive type of place. So if you're in a. 507 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,840 Procrastinating slow space. You are in hell, essentially. 508 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,440 Yeah it'll it'll multiply very quickly and the person that 509 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,280 you're talking to is different person. 510 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,400 So that's why when I'm doing all these things everyone thinks oh 511 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,120 wow how do you. It's like I have to like I 512 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,360 that's how I that's how I found my place in the world is is to 513 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:32,800 be doing a lot of things and and stuff like that. 514 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,760 So I don't know if I answered any question there whatsoever. 515 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,720 No, no, this is. This is, but it is. 516 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,760 That's something that I I think I that I do realize that I will 517 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,240 always find if I can ever talk to someone about. 518 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,840 There's always different advices for things. 519 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,560 But I was I I went through a lot as a kid, like all kids do, 520 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,120 especially nowadays. It's so tough. 521 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,320 You just got to keep. I kept myself very, very busy 522 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,400 and very, very creative and it it saved it. 523 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,920 It definitely saved me for sure. I think about the kids nowadays 524 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,960 and I mean it's a different, it's a different ball game 525 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,000 because it doesn't like you grew up in small town BC, which you 526 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,000 know again pros and cons to everything, absolutely pros and 527 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,200 cons to when we grew up, pros and cons to the kids growing up 528 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,800 now. But one of the the the the 529 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,880 issues that they have to deal with that we never had to once 530 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,240 they get a telephone it doesn't go away. 531 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,560 Like like grade four was my worst year but I had the Cub 532 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,000 Scouts, I had you know the boys and Girls Club that I went to 533 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,760 so. So when I left school there were 534 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,920 other groups or people that I could deal with and have fun 535 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,880 with and and have a completely different experience with than 536 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,560 if I had a a bad time at at that at that school. 537 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,440 Now when they have a telephone, the moment they have a 538 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,160 telephone. I know all it it. 539 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,120 Follows them everywhere and it doesn't turn off. 540 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:51,480 I know it's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking, yeah. 541 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,200 And there's nothing that, like I've tried like the whole take 542 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,480 the phone away thing as a dad, you know, like because I'm old 543 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,840 school and none, none of that for for in my experience, it can 544 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,320 work. It's just something to try to 545 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,920 manage the best you can. But it is definitely, definitely 546 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,080 hard and sad to see that it's going to take these, these 547 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,800 young, beautiful kids so much longer to learn about themselves 548 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,560 because they're distracted by some. 549 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,600 You know what I mean? Yeah, they're not gonna like, we 550 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,080 we all took. I'm still figuring myself out as 551 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,440 it is. And I never had that. 552 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,200 I was playing street hockey and hide and go seek and, you know, 553 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,520 throwing eggs at people and doing bad, doing things, 554 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,040 mischievous, fun things as a kid. 555 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,160 Crazy shit. You know, I never threw eggs at 556 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,200 people. I don't want to try such a bad 557 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,960 ass all the time. Cauliflower diet. 558 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,720 But I think for kids now it's like they get wrapped up in that 559 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,840 and they're just missing out so much on learning about 560 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,040 themselves because it's just what other people are doing and 561 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:51,000 trying to keep up with things. It's it's it is it's really sad. 562 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,200 It's scary. It's scary. 563 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,960 Well you've distracted yourself by building things and I think 564 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,160 that a lot of these kids are are they've got distraction handed 565 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,760 to them but it's it's not substance based distraction 566 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,360 unless they choose it to be and and that's the good thing at 567 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:08,160 some point you know when they fall in love with something they 568 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,720 may choose to dive into it and and if they do like I think 569 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,360 about people in my life. I think about you know you know 570 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:19,200 my step kids and and the the the careers that they have a big 571 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,080 chunk of it was taught to them by YouTube. 572 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,200 You know because if you do want to dive into something and learn 573 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,800 it you can do that without having to leave the small town 574 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,440 to to to hang out with the with the different crowd or whatever 575 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,280 to figure to find yourself as a as a musician. 576 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,320 But it's all a beautiful experience either way and and 577 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,760 and it'll it'll write itself. Yeah, but there is those pros 578 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,520 and cons and it's such a different world. 579 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,000 It is a different world. That's what it is. 580 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,120 At the end of the day. It's just a different time, a 581 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,800 different place and everything. It's just a pretty old school. 582 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,840 Like proper man is nostalgic. I'm so obsessed with growing up 583 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,880 as a kid in a small town. It's in my heart and there's a 584 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,200 special time, right? So I'm very obsessed with that 585 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,320 part of my life. Yeah. 586 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,720 So I get all weird on the phone thing and all that just because 587 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,280 those that way that I grew up in the town that I grew up in. 588 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,680 I'm so lucky. It was so beautiful. 589 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,920 It was a great time to grow up. The well, and that's that's 590 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,200 where I want to talk about, I want to move to the to the to 591 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,120 the music part of this. Because we have a lot of men now 592 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,800 who are in this, this, this time and place of the world changing 593 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,120 to what we just talked about, what we described. 594 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,840 And many of them are terrified to whether they know it or not. 595 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,360 You know, we bottle things down. We're prone to bottle things 596 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:36,640 down and and and you know we haven't gotten necessarily the 597 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,200 release of that those things that we bottled down and and 598 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,240 music is of course one of the things that I mean it's it's 599 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,960 it's it's obvious with every member of the band and it's 600 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,640 clearly obvious here that that that it's an outlet and it's 601 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,120 something and I think every man you know our age but younger, 602 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,280 the ones who can learn what their outlet is younger that is 603 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,680 a secret to life. Having these outlets are just 604 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,040 100% right. Yeah, it's everything. 605 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,640 I'm trying to work with my children on that right now and 606 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,120 finding their space, what they can do as an outlet. 607 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,720 But yeah, the music is definitely that. 608 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,360 And it didn't start off that way. 609 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,440 I did it because Petri, the guitar player, was in a band 610 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,720 with me growing up and I was, I like to put it so I don't talk 611 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,720 bad about myself, a bit of a a control freak, but a really nice 612 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:24,960 one. I was a nice control freak, but 613 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,040 I knew what I wanted and I was a songwriter and he was in the 614 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,920 band and he was always there for me. 615 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,480 Petrie, just an easy going guy. Let's have a coffee. 616 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,560 What do you want to do? There's no ego, no nothing. 617 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,600 He's so so for so for so many songs and so many years when we 618 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,480 were very young. We're talking like 25 years ago 619 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,080 and I, you know, before then, but he'd be supportive with me 620 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,840 on songwriting. I got to get these songs out and 621 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,360 we did pretty well. We got to tour Japan together, 622 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,480 we won some awards, blah, blah, blah. 623 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,560 It's a great little band. Petrie went through some stuff 624 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,160 in life that it was. He went through separation and 625 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,240 he came out here. Him and his, his ex partner, 626 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,520 they they moved, they both moved out and he stayed at the winery 627 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,520 house up at First Estate where it was the 1st place I really 628 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,800 got to make wine. I got that place for $3 a year 629 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,120 for three years. Another story. 630 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,120 That was a great place. But what I wanted to do with him 631 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,200 was just get back. I I stopped music because this 632 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,640 wine thing is like I got to learn and I'm not that smart. 633 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,800 Like I'm not like I didn't do good in school. 634 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,760 Like I'm not can't handle. I can handle a lot of my brain. 635 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,360 What's going to be in a creative way. 636 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,240 Wine took a lot as a big responsibility. 637 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,200 So the the music stopped because all that energy was going into. 638 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,600 I got to learn how to do this. I got to get a day job right, 639 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,360 But when Petri came back, it's a hard thing to go through. 640 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,280 I wanted to do something to get his mind off of these things. 641 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,960 So I'll shorten the story. But he would lay down some 642 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,080 chords on the recording unit. Then he'd go to camp. 643 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,920 He's a scientist or something. He still don't know what Petri 644 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,880 really is. He's just a really nice guy. 645 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,440 But I would, I'd be with these chords and I would be OK. 646 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,040 I I got to put music to it, started doing it and I'm like 647 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,200 and I would sing in my old pop punk voice. 648 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,680 And I I just, it brought back bad memories because the music 649 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,680 business, musics, any musician out there knows, you know, tough 650 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,600 world, right. And I was like, yeah, it's not 651 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,440 going anywhere. And then one day I'll admit it, 652 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,240 I had a little bit too many Scotches and I just started 653 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,200 singing with like this English drone and I'm thinking what's 654 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,840 that style I haven't done yet that's fresh. 655 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,880 And it would be New Wave like the Cure. 656 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,720 Depeche Mode. Yeah, all those guys. 657 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,360 So I'm just going to try this. Just me and Pech and I did and I 658 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,600 sent it to him and that's pretty good. 659 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,000 And it just started snowballing and all I ever wanted to do. 660 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,400 Because when you're a musician and you've jumped on that bed up 661 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,240 and down, when you're a kid, when you're 5 years old with 662 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,320 your tennis racket, it doesn't leave. 663 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,120 So even still, before we play shows, we're outside, we're 664 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,280 hugging, teary eyed, Let's kill them guys, Let's do this. 665 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,440 We got this. It's like like the drummers, 666 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,760 like he's ready to put his first through conquer. 667 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,480 It's like we're playing Madison Square Garden and I'm like, holy 668 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,600 shit guys. And I'm crying because that 669 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,600 guy's crying. It's just 60 people and but we 670 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,360 treat it like it's such a powerful thing, right. 671 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,040 Didn't cry really. Like I said, I'm pretty, pretty 672 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,200 tough guy. I throw eggs at people. 673 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,320 That's right. So but where am I going with it? 674 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,280 Where am I going with it. So when he come back it was a 675 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,240 thing to show these songs and these ideas and and the 676 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,560 goosebumps going and he's like Park sees man, we got something 677 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,240 here. Eh go yeah, let me get you a 678 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,760 drink. So he'd go get me a martini, 679 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,160 make it extra dirty pantry, listen to it again, and 680 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,680 everything sounds better with a sip or two. 681 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,680 And like, yeah, we're really good. 682 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,560 Hey, we got something we do but, but. 683 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,680 And we just kept doing that over and over and over. 684 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,880 But the whole point of it was to get his mind off things and for 685 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,480 me to give back for what he did for me, which was getting out 686 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,000 these songs. And I was going through things 687 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,680 in my life with the separation back then, and he was there for 688 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,400 me to get all this music out. Never questioned, never nothing. 689 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,960 So the whole point was just to do some stupid songs with this 690 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,760 weird English accent, which is very strong. 691 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,800 Back in the day, if you could hear it, it was like super 692 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,640 prominent because I was insecure with my own voice and I was just 693 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,360 trying to get some shit going here to get Petri in a happy 694 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,120 place. But that's how it started. 695 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,720 And then it went from one thing to another. 696 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,160 Travis showed up one day and I just said go in the backroom and 697 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,280 take that move and do a keyboard line on this song called 698 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,560 Converse and No Name. And that was in a different 699 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,480 point in Travis life. And I was nervous to come down 700 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,440 and do it in front of the whole room. 701 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,360 And I went up there with him, You got this and came down and 702 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,000 everyone's like jaw dropped and it just, it was a layer. 703 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,920 So the band, how it came together is quite beautiful and 704 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,000 it was never meant to be. It was just meant to do this 705 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,480 thing. I said well I might, I might put 706 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,520 a little room in one of the wineries one day and you guys 707 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,239 get paid some money. So just stick it out for five 708 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,280 years and practice with you once in a while, pretty much right 709 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,639 with most of the guys in the band and and here we are, but we 710 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,159 don't go on that. What it's turned into is a very 711 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:43,159 strong brotherhood for sure. I love that about this. 712 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,280 I've actually asked a couple of the guys because I mean you know 713 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,280 and we've shown that the Broken Hearts club like we've used the 714 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,600 the analogy of of of home ice advantage. 715 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,199 You know we're all hockey fans. We're all hockey fans. 716 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,960 Yeah you know and and and I don't know of a band and one of 717 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,320 the band members even said yeah, it doesn't mean no matter how 718 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,200 big the band is, who they are, nobody has a home ice advantage 719 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,840 like this. You know never never mind not 720 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,760 having to move gear and all that kind of stuff that all of they 721 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,520 they like that too but they yeah, like like right like like 722 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,640 now they don't have to move their gear. 723 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:16,800 They have to keep their place here. 724 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,360 All their stuff. It's it's it's their it's their 725 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,520 house. It's the place that they get to 726 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:23,480 call. Home. 727 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,120 Yeah, it's. It's. 728 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,600 Awesome. And and, and, and I asked them, 729 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,920 I've asked like did as you were, did you think this was 730 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,200 happening? Well, Jason talked about, you 731 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:35,520 know something, but nobody could envision this. 732 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,040 Yeah. When did you envision? 733 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,240 This oh, from from Well, once proper man started getting 734 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:44,000 going. If you think about it and you 735 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,400 listen to that old sound and you look at the room, it's all 736 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,200 connected, right? It's all British puppy old. 737 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,880 There's an old thing to it. Even how we dress them. 738 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,720 All that vision came before. So that was there years ago. 739 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:00,800 Yeah, that was there right away when I started thinking these 740 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,800 songs aren't that bad. And I love hanging out with 741 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,600 Petri again and our connection. Like Petri, Well, hang out. 742 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,040 When we hang out, we don't talk. That's the best kind of friends 743 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:09,920 for me. Like, hey, buddy, hey, buddy, 744 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,040 how's it going? Talk to you after the game. 745 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,920 That's it. We we're not, like, not social 746 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,800 butterflies. Music is what has brought us 747 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,880 together. Like we're we're we're buddies, 748 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:19,760 right? The whole band. 749 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,760 But we don't sit around talking about like things that other 750 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,080 people would. We're all cut from a different 751 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,560 cloth a little bit. So the music is the connection. 752 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,840 When I started seeing that and that beauty and you know, you 753 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,640 know Travis and and working with him and then Nori coming in, 754 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,320 went through a few drummers and Justin coming out when the time 755 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,120 Justin was in. I already said I'm going to do 756 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,120 this, but I wasn't sure because we couldn't find that last piece 757 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,160 and I used to be a drummer and we're pretty. 758 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,440 It was a hard time finding that last person and it wasn't the 759 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,600 skill because they're they're good drummers and all. 760 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,640 It was just the the connection, the chemistry. 761 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,000 And these are great guys, but sometimes everything doesn't go 762 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,560 into place. No, the alchemy of this band is 763 00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:59,640 astounding. To me it is. 764 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,080 It's, it's crazy. And usually at that kind of 765 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,120 stuff. I'm always worried that I've got 766 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,000 to nurture it. And I go, that guy's going to be 767 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,080 feeling this. I'll move them over there. 768 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,920 Like I'm always like the guide, a peacekeeper trying to you 769 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,240 don't have to do it in this band. 770 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,840 I can just come over here, my word, stressed out self, every 771 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,720 show and be all awkward and they're all, you got it buddy. 772 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:17,280 And I'm like, yeah, I don't have to do anything because it's just 773 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,000 it takes care of itself because bands are like, it's like having 774 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,160 any band guy that runs a band knows it's like having like 5 775 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,400 wives, right? And then if the band members 776 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,120 have wives, it's like having 10 because you have to respect the 777 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,680 whole thing. So for bands to be as cohesive 778 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,560 and doing this as much as we are, sure they like the room, 779 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,880 but there's got to be a deeper connection for that to keep 780 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,920 going. And and we found it. 781 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,320 It's pretty, it's very special. Without a doubt multiple members 782 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,040 of the band have talked about how part of that alchemy is that 783 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,280 you you alluded to it. They all bring families to the 784 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,960 table. They all bring experiences to 785 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,400 the table. Those families those experiences 786 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,280 take priority over the ban. Yeah. 787 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,760 And and and you all have that as a code. 788 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,320 Like it's an amazing thing and it's one thing that they all I 789 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,480 believe I have to check the tape but every single one of them 790 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,720 have talked about that's awesome how special it is to them that 791 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,760 that that's what this is. It is. 792 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,640 It's it's their lives take precedence over the actual band 793 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,320 itself and the music. And I mean, there's this 794 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,960 overarching relationship that you have where the personal 795 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,320 stuff is more important, yeah, than the music. 796 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,040 Yeah. And that happened on its own, 797 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,320 like I always do. The model that would work in a 798 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,000 perfect world, you can't make everything work. 799 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,240 Sure, like that. But I sure I said OK, I wanted 800 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:35,880 to do a couple band dinners in the beginning, but the 801 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,000 connection and the wives connecting and how we've all 802 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,840 connected is it happened very organic. 803 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,160 It's crazy like we've been playing these songs a long time. 804 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,840 Yeah, we still love playing them so much. 805 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,000 It's not the songs, it's each other. 806 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,240 It's that. It's that. 807 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:50,560 It's that time up there together. 808 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,000 Right. Yeah. 809 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:55,160 It's a magic energy that that you guys feel and and and my my 810 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,760 contention every time I've heard that whether I've said it out 811 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,760 loud or not is that well that shows in the music like that's 812 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,720 an extra layer or two of any song that you write or perform 813 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,760 because you have if you have a bass like that that base is 814 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,720 going to create layers of depth that just wouldn't be created in 815 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,200 in other bands. And I'm not saying other bands 816 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,840 I've I've I've been a fan of bands where all the members hate 817 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,920 each other and that provides an energy too. 818 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,880 Totally it does but it just does not seem to be the energy of 819 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,840 what proper man is including the title of the band like the the 820 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,240 the name of the band proper man and all of you. 821 00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:34,080 None of you would in in fact you're not even close. 822 00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:38,640 Would would would any of you ever, you know, try and come 823 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,560 across that you're perfect. In fact, none of you would. 824 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,760 You're all the other. You're all the exact opposite. 825 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,760 The self deprecation is crazy that you all have. 826 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,040 But the band is called Proper Man and it almost seems like I 827 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,240 don't want to call it like a war cry. 828 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:53,720 But it almost seems like this is where we would like to get to. 829 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,000 Like, it's like a the name of the band is the goal. 830 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,760 Yeah, yeah, I hear you. Yeah, that's cool. 831 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,600 I don't know. I don't know if that's the case 832 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,240 or not, but that's just what it feels like. 833 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,760 It's like you are all aspiring to be. 834 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,000 Proper men while. Doing this, yeah, I think that 835 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,160 is it. But me like not understanding 836 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,680 fully what words mean when I and it's it's true if you read the 837 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,440 lyrics sometimes like that word doesn't make sense but it's got 838 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,600 the right syllables. Automatic. 839 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,720 Poetically, it sounds perfectly. Yeah, yeah. 840 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,000 But the proper man thing it does. 841 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,880 That's a that's a much cooler thing. 842 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,680 And I guess in a way that is what it is. 843 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,320 But in the beginning it was just about doing this thing because I 844 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,160 was kind of working with Petri couple. 845 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,960 We named the van back then. Yep. 846 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,560 We're really into just this whole Petrie. 847 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,520 And I just think a lot of our our dads too, and the old school 848 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,200 way of how it used to be and respect and just doing things on 849 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:50,120 a handshake and just an unwritten thing that I think may 850 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,960 have been a bit more in the older days than than than now in 851 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,600 some instances. So we were really into that kind 852 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,560 of stuff and then the whole imagery thing and all that. 853 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,200 But that connection that you're saying is that makes a lot of 854 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,720 sense. I mean, that's cool. 855 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,680 That's just what it seems to be building into. 856 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,520 And it's just it's such a, it's such a cool thing. 857 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:07,600 I like the. Name more now. 858 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,240 Oh, there you go. Yeah, there you go. 859 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,800 Well it it sure made sense for the for this totally like it's 860 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,280 like Oh my gosh, the band is even named proper man. 861 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,160 Everything is on brand and on brand is like that's your, 862 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,960 that's your middle. Name I know, but you just 863 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,800 branded better than me this, but that that is what it's that's 864 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,960 what's happening. That's what the end game is 865 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,680 happening. It's just it started out as 866 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,960 something much more simpler in the back then, right? 867 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,000 Because we never really pictured doing this like this and I 868 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,280 almost never did this at the end. 869 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,720 So I'm just like, I don't really got much money left my midlife 870 00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:43,560 crisis. Get on that. 871 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,120 You know what I mean? Like, and I'm so grateful we did 872 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,640 it and and it and it's and it's work too. 873 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,800 Like this guy's got to drive all the way over the bridge most 874 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,800 Saturdays, even myself. Like you got life, you got 875 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,840 things. And there's days where I'm like, 876 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,920 I'm just nervous that I'm not going to do a good job so that 877 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,160 I'm stressed out all day. And like I say, it's not a, you 878 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,760 know, at most we got 100 people in here. 879 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,040 I won't say the real numbers because it's against the Fire 880 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,640 regulation. Sure, Absolutely. 881 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,160 Yeah, 100 people. 100 people less, less. 882 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,080 But it it's it's a major. It's a major thing every time we 883 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,480 play and sometimes it can be hard like just open the door and 884 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,720 walking in because it because I'm not I'm not also personally 885 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,120 not the most super common person. 886 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,480 When I get on the stage I have to leave behind and the band 887 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,440 makes sure I do it. It's a different person. 888 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,560 Like it's his name's Norm. It's my middle name and Norm is 889 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:36,960 the singer when he's on the stage and that guy has to come 890 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,800 out. And sometimes I do things that 891 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,680 are stupid, like and I get mad every time like I'll talk to, 892 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,800 hey, everybody else that's not like me, I'll say the F word. 893 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,560 Yeah, I don't want to say the F word, but I have to breakthrough 894 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,400 my comfort to let go to make myself vulnerable takes a few 895 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,120 minutes and I stress about it every Saturday. 896 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,480 It's not me like when I was back in the day when I was had to be 897 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,680 wine maker dinners, 2 weeks, man, two weeks of stress. 898 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,440 I don't want to sound gross, but on the toilet stress like I'm 899 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,920 not not doing good. I am not. 900 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,320 I don't like that. I don't. 901 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,600 I'm not good at that. And now like playing guitar and 902 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,840 writing songs is great. Now I'm a singer and I got no 903 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,680 guitar. Are you kidding me? 904 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,160 It's nuts. I don't want to do up there. 905 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,000 I'm flat my head. I'm trying to sing. 906 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,760 It's it's very stressful. So I I worry about it all day. 907 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,240 But then when I get up there it seems to be OK and it is the 908 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:29,760 band, but it's also the audience. 909 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,560 Like I look out, you know you can always can have the odd guy 910 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,800 that might think we suck which is fine. 911 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,920 But there's a lot of smiles. There's a lot of happy faces and 912 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,000 there's a lot of people that are my age or a little bit younger 913 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,320 guys, they're looking. I know what they're thinking. 914 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,360 They're thinking look at that asshole up there doing what he 915 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,960 wants to do. You know what I mean? 916 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,680 In a good way. Look, he's up there. 917 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,400 He's doing he's doing it. He's he's living. 918 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,280 He's got it though and and hopefully you know that can kind 919 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,320 of maybe if that ever rubs off on someone just to just to give 920 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,840 her bullets if I care too much or over thought things even 921 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,360 though I'm suit it's weird because I am insecure. 922 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,560 I didn't know if this place was going to work I I still like I'm 923 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:12,520 I'm like that but you have to you might as well go you might 924 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,480 as well go for it when you open up that whole vulnerability of 925 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,800 letting it all go and just jumping off and going for it. 926 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,360 One thing I have learned is that people like that they they 927 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,240 they're cheering for you, yes. It's not like any a. 928 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,080 Percentage are, yeah, but we listen to the other percentage 929 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,000 so many times, but the percentage that are cheering for 930 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,720 you are there too. Right. 931 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,040 I know. And it could be 50 that are 932 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,680 cheering. And the one person that's like, 933 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,080 well, Jason Kent's saying he's a fraud. 934 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,160 That guy doesn't know what he's doing. 935 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,760 And I'm like in the dumps forever, right? 936 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,360 So you get scared of that. But at the end of the day, I'm 937 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,280 learning more and more. It's just you got to outweigh 938 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,320 those numbers and you know you just got to you just got to, you 939 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,720 just got to go for it. And that word vulnerable is the 940 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:54,400 thing. If I didn't learn about that 941 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,320 earlier on, I think maybe from doing the wine dinners. 942 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,080 I've just, I I wasn't good at them and I just kind of opened 943 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,760 up and went for it and was myself, which is kind of a weird 944 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,480 awkward babbling duck like I am today with you. 945 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,240 People loved it. They won't be my friend. 946 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:12,240 They want to talk like, OK, well, maybe they like me if I 947 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,720 just talk, just go for it. So I've done that with 948 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,920 everything. It's just just kind of do it. 949 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:22,120 Throw shit at the wall, give her bullets and just hope it all 950 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,680 works out. And when you put yourself there, 951 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,920 people, they're they're cheering for you. 952 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,840 I think more are than not. Well, it's inviting. 953 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,160 You know, when when I see somebody pouring their heart out 954 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,520 over something, and I mean you think about this wine that you 955 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,200 have slaved over for how how long? 956 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,600 You know an entire season through all the different 957 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,000 incarnations of of the process and and and and now you're 958 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,080 presenting it to a room full of people and you're talking about 959 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,200 the process and what it led to what they have right in front of 960 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,680 them and and and and the work that went into that. 961 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,280 You're you're you're giving of yourself you're doing that and 962 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,400 and and when somebody is up there doing that a great 963 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,080 percentage of people who are the recipients of that information 964 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,760 now feel permission that they can open up. 965 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,640 And I'm certain we haven't talked about this beforehand. 966 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,920 I I want to know pre interview from this you know for this very 967 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,680 reason that organically this stuff can come up. 968 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,960 I'm certain that people would stand up after those things come 969 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,240 to you and start telling you personal stuff about them, 970 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,680 because vulnerability invites other vulnerability. 971 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,920 You're right. They are connected for sure. 972 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,160 You know, I think that's where I found. 973 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,760 Yeah, that that's kind of where I found where I said that that's 974 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,280 helped this even though like I was rocking. 975 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,640 I could rock 3000 people in a van playing guitar back of the 976 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,960 day, jumping up and down. Yahoo, go to a wine makers 977 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,960 dinner in front of 50 people, couldn't sleep for two weeks. 978 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,600 But then I learned how to do it where it's just like opening 979 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,600 that whole thing up and just being real about it. 980 00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:52,160 That and finding that that worked Well, maybe I can 981 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,920 renovate a garage and call it the Hatch. 982 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,120 Maybe I can put animal heads on a wall. 983 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,080 I don't know, I can. I don't have to overthink or 984 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,000 have expectation of myself when I'm doing things. 985 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,840 And I'm lucky for me. I've surround myself with really 986 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,160 good band guys and good employees and good people. 987 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,400 That all my stupid shit looks good. 988 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,000 That's all it is. You're just kind of going for it 989 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,840 and that so that that's a real thing that did you know? 990 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,920 And I think that what when you say that it because I remember 991 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,360 doing those dinners and people coming up that were attached to 992 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,080 because there was all I had was passion. 993 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,720 All I had when I learnt why I didn't know what I was doing, it 994 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:33,720 was I I got into it because quick I won't get. 995 00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:36,480 Into that this is good. Tour with my punk rock band and 996 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,640 The Van Broke Down and I'd make some money to fix the van. 997 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,000 Went in there and worked in the vineyard for two weeks. 998 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,200 The owner was sort of really crazy, blessed his heart. 999 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:49,040 I I without without that guy. They put me in the cellar. 1000 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,480 They let the winemaker go and I got my $8 raised to 8 bucks and 1001 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,680 a set of keys for Chevy and said there I was managing the place 1002 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,200 and they went back to Ontario and I was left there to figure 1003 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,280 it out. That's scary shit. 1004 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:06,400 How old were you that summer? I'm not good with numbers. 1005 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:11,560 Sure, 28. Yeah, I don't know, maybe that's 1006 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,280 wrong. My wife will correct me later. 1007 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,960 But I spent like time in there learning, right. 1008 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,240 There wasn't a whole bunch of Google. 1009 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:19,760 There was no confidence, there's nothing. 1010 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,720 I just had to figure things out and I learnt by just kind of 1011 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:24,280 going for not scared to make mistakes. 1012 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,080 I remember putting a whole bag of low fat skim milk in a thing 1013 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,000 of white wine because I did a test and it curdled and it 1014 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,440 brought the oxidation out and ripped it to the bottom and I 1015 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,760 took it off and then I rebuilt it with like Acacia, wood chips 1016 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,800 and just crazy shit, you know? But if you don't do that, you 1017 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,080 don't try these things forward. And then I I what I did where 1018 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,760 people took to me and where my career is, I just celebrated 1019 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,120 those things. I didn't try to say, well, you 1020 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,600 know, this is what I did. You owned it. 1021 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:55,960 You guys. I'm like, if you guys only you, 1022 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,680 you're suckers because what I I don't know nothing. 1023 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,080 And This is why and just kind of introduce that part of it. 1024 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,440 People minds were like alone cuz the wines were winning awards, 1025 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,880 they were doing things. But it was just I come from a 1026 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,760 different place of learning and have anyone to teach me and I 1027 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:14,920 had to kind of go through it all. 1028 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,920 So I think that helped and it's yeah, I think that just helped 1029 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,000 the whole journey, right. It allowed me to do what I'm 1030 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,320 doing now. The courage that you show in 1031 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,680 doing that, and it's just you living your life, it's probably 1032 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,840 freeing by the way, because you know, certain people learn 1033 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,600 certain ways other ways. But most of us can probably 1034 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,840 relate to an experience where we learn a certain way and we were 1035 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,040 under the whether it's as an employer or was a student, 1036 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,880 whatever. We're under the tutelage or the 1037 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,920 the authority of somebody who teaches things completely 1038 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,680 different than the way that we learn it, right? 1039 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,560 And you being given that freedom and taking on the responsibility 1040 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,760 of going, OK, well, I want to get something done, but you get 1041 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,440 to do it the way that you want to do it. 1042 00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:56,160 What a freeing concept that is. That's. 1043 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,880 What I how lucky I am like to have that there's no one else. 1044 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,800 There's a guy in the store helped me out back in the day 1045 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,880 and he was actually better than I was pretty quick. 1046 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,320 But yeah, I I got to I got to have that. 1047 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,480 I'm so lucky. That's why I said in the 1048 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,680 beginning of the thing like about wine and and how it it, I 1049 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,280 wouldn't say save me, but it definitely, I don't know. 1050 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,120 I I just don't know where I would have where I would have 1051 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,760 ended up. Yeah, the trajectory had put you 1052 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,680 on clearly. Yeah, it found me for sure. 1053 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:29,200 Yeah, I don't, I don't know, it's it's scary to think so. 1054 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,200 My, my, like when you look at the little JPC logo, it's a 1055 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,920 barrel with wings and a a crown and the crown is representing in 1056 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,200 my mind it's probably wrong because most weird stuff these 1057 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:44,160 days with, you know, royalty. But to me it was about the wine 1058 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:49,640 being the boss and the wings that were giving me something 1059 00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:52,920 more in in my life to do getting me off the ground. 1060 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,520 But it was always based around that, right, the wine. 1061 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,080 And it was also like it was seven years in that cellar on my 1062 00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,480 own when I was learning super lonely. 1063 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,760 The joke is I did have beautiful. 1064 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,200 Well, I thought it was beautiful. 1065 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,040 A long hair and then it was gone after those 7. 1066 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,280 Years. It's ironic, to say the least. 1067 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,040 Yeah, but that was a that was a lonely, lonely journey and and 1068 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,480 lots of failures and and and successes, I guess you could 1069 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,400 call it. But yeah, I'm just so grateful 1070 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,240 for that day that that person let me give me a job to work in 1071 00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:29,920 the vineyard and. Sounds like you're grateful for 1072 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,520 the failures, too. Yeah, more so for sure. 1073 00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:34,400 And that isn't that something that I. 1074 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,720 Think I remember those. Those were more memorable, like 1075 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,600 we have a a bedpan at the Hatch where all the awards go. 1076 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,800 So when we got to win a win award, it goes in the bedpan and 1077 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,920 there's some good awards in there and it's nothing against 1078 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,000 the award. People No. 1079 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,680 No. It's just that's not what it's 1080 00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:55,040 about. And you can stay humble. 1081 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,520 Yeah. And it's about it's also a 1082 00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,320 policy and and not a policy, but it's a culture in the company 1083 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,120 where you know and we stopped, we're going to go back into them 1084 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,920 this year a little bit just to see how we do. 1085 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,320 We stopped doing those award things because, yeah, it's just 1086 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:08,640 a different view on the whole thing. 1087 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,040 Yeah, I got a call a couple days ago, somebody wanting to get me 1088 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,680 to be a wine judge in Washington state. 1089 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,680 I guess they voted crowd thieves as one of the wineries to watch 1090 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,600 in Canada this year. Something fancy like that. 1091 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,320 Yeah. So speaking to the team, I was 1092 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,720 supposed to this year do a bit more interviews and get out 1093 00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:29,040 there because I stopped doing them and just want to hide and 1094 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,360 do my thing. Oh, I know. 1095 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,720 Yeah. It's like pulling teeth getting 1096 00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:33,280 to this day. Happening now I'm talking. 1097 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,120 I could tell him to talk for five years. 1098 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,560 Let it out. Unleash the hounds, buddy. 1099 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,880 Talking about eggs and shit, where was I? 1100 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,040 But yeah, they they were, they were. 1101 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,480 They went, yeah. And I said, well, you know, I 1102 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:47,720 don't know if I'm the right judge. 1103 00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:50,840 I said, but because all these fancy wire makers from all over 1104 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,160 the States, I can have a Negroni beside me while I'm tasting the 1105 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:55,800 wines, I'll consider being a judge. 1106 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,920 They just, I didn't know whether to take me serious or not. 1107 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,080 It was just a joke. Yeah, but to have a cocktail 1108 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,120 there. But I just. 1109 00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,200 But the point is that whole vulnerable thing that I get to 1110 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,640 say, those kinds of things that make people laugh and be that 1111 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,320 kind of person, that is just, that's what my mind's saying. 1112 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,760 Like if someone asks you something, you might be saying 1113 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:12,800 something different in your mind. 1114 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,560 I get to say whatever comes, you let it out. 1115 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,760 And I'm so grateful for that. And that came from learning 1116 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,480 about that whole vulnerable moment to these wine makers, 1117 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,400 dinners. Now that allows me, even though 1118 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,360 I was a musician first, to get on that stage and sing and I 1119 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,360 learnt that from getting through those things. 1120 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,960 I appreciate you talking about you know because we're going to 1121 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,600 get to proper man more here but I appreciate you giving us this 1122 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:39,000 context of of how you think because it really is a it really 1123 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,160 is an amazing mind that you have with with the achievements yet 1124 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,120 the self-confidence thing and and and you've done a really 1125 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,720 good job of of kind of explaining that a little bit 1126 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:56,600 fronting a band. I mean I I and I I hope I'm not 1127 00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,480 telling tell that out of school here I I I you know please 1128 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:06,520 please please you know admonish me if I am you don't you have an 1129 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:12,120 amazing presence on stage I've watched you rock the house 1130 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,280 multiple multiple multiple times. 1131 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,560 You have fans that sing every single word with you and are 1132 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:24,200 like whether it's their fifth time or their 50th time of you 1133 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,480 fist bumping them while you're singing or or or moving in and 1134 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,200 letting them take a selfie with you or letting them sing a lyric 1135 00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:32,960 or or whatever. You clearly have this a massive, 1136 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,520 massive, massive presence. Yet one of the first things that 1137 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:40,320 you say to me the first time I see you play Bloodless live, you 1138 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,520 know, you're First off beforehand, oh God, you're going 1139 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:43,760 to see me play it for the first time. 1140 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,560 You didn't like that. And then second, was it OK? 1141 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,680 I I I'm astounded by that because you clearly know how to 1142 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,200 rock the house and you've been doing it for a long time, and 1143 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,480 yet you still don't know. Yeah, like, even when you're 1144 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,920 saying it, getting a little emotional because I'm like 1145 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,160 really like and I that that. And that's not a fake thing. 1146 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:06,560 I know. It's not, that's what. 1147 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,360 Because I don't. Yeah. 1148 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,280 I always think if I could, you know, stick on this cauliflower 1149 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,640 dye and lose some weight and get more confidence and throw my 1150 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,880 fucking hair back, that proper man has a chance. 1151 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,640 Because that that's how my head goes, right? 1152 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,120 And I do. I think that at night, OK, we 1153 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,800 got some good songs here, but I had to get rid of my pickle tits 1154 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,040 here and I got to, I got to get better looking and learn how to 1155 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,600 deal with the crowd because I don't feel I do it all. 1156 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,560 But maybe that's what it is. Maybe that's a good. 1157 00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,200 That might be part of the charm, I guess. 1158 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,720 Yeah you know in that in that even though I don't think you 1159 00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:39,800 say that to everybody what you said to me but but but you know 1160 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,160 it's there somewhere and maybe that comes out as well I I I 1161 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,040 don't know either Yeah it's a weird. 1162 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,080 Thing I do also want to make my band proud. 1163 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,880 You know what I mean? Like, so I I am up there and I 1164 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,560 am doing it. I I love them so much and I I 1165 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,480 want to make them proud of me because I am. 1166 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,200 I'm not saying this to be the weird, vulnerable guy. 1167 00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,920 I'm the weak look for sure. The band is so freaking 1168 00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:02,360 talented. I am not the best singer in the 1169 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,120 world, so I have to be. I have to give everything. 1170 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,880 I have to be remotely close to these guys. 1171 00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:12,320 So I put everything I have into every show for them. 1172 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,320 I have to These guys can come and just kind of go through the 1173 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:15,760 motions and still blow everybody away. 1174 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,840 I'm definitely. I'm proud of myself as a 1175 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,760 songwriter and I'm I'm you know, and and everything and being 1176 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,960 creative, But talent wise, I'm not really born to be a singer. 1177 00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,160 So maybe that comes across a bit and that gives a kind of energy 1178 00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,840 because the band's also so good. So their energy's feeding off 1179 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:33,600 me. Whatever. 1180 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,520 It's working. It's it's working. 1181 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,080 Well I think about, you know it's it's it's so funny you talk 1182 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,880 about being the best singer and and and that's so funny because 1183 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,360 it's a relative term. Yeah. 1184 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,080 I mean if you have if Bocelli's in the room here doing their 1185 00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,160 thing. OK that's fine. 1186 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,840 But I would much rather an off tune. 1187 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:49,840 Axel Rose. Yeah. 1188 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,360 Yeah. Because you know what I mean? 1189 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,640 Like, like, like, and and and the one thing about you, and I 1190 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,640 don't know if this this translates or not, the thing I 1191 00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:01,480 love about you, the thing that I personally am inspired about 1192 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,440 you, is that you go up and just be you, and you maybe turn up 1193 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,120 the volume sometimes. Maybe you turn yourself up to 11 1194 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,480 while you're while you're singing, but you're just going 1195 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,560 up and being you. You're not trying to be somebody 1196 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,080 else. Even when you're singing with an 1197 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,440 English accent, that was you being you. 1198 00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,320 It is true. Yeah, even though you're not 1199 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,080 trying to be someone else, you're just trying to be. 1200 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,640 You sing with an English accent. And it's totally true. 1201 00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,080 I had tried to explain that to people, even like music industry 1202 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,640 people that were listening to the songs and reaching out, and 1203 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,520 they just didn't understand that. 1204 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,120 But to me, it was. It was 100% real. 1205 00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,480 So I'm like, what do you mean you can't get it? 1206 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,560 Like, like the English people sing with an American accent. 1207 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:40,680 Oh, you can't tell they're English? 1208 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,760 Yep. I couldn't understand it. 1209 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,920 Yeah, it's just a different way of looking at it, but. 1210 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,320 Yeah, what we're talking about here today, like, I mean, you 1211 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,520 know, we, we think about guys that might be listening or 1212 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,240 watching this, listening to or watching this. 1213 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,600 And we think about living lives of authenticity. 1214 00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,520 Yeah. Being who they truly, truly are, 1215 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:05,600 even if that person inside is something that they think the 1216 00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:10,000 world may not appreciate. May think is weird, may think 1217 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,800 is. And and I mean I know you even 1218 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,360 you even feel it now like like because of the success that 1219 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,120 you've had in the valley, a lot of people here know who you are. 1220 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,440 You know, again, I'm not trying to overstep anything by 1221 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,440 revealing anything too private, but like people who make 1222 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,560 assumptions and they are in that percentage of people who like to 1223 00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:31,920 throw stones or eggs, that gets to us too. 1224 00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,920 And and, and, but that being said, to the guys who aren't 1225 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,760 living their lives right now, safe to say those stones, those 1226 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:40,800 eggs that are worth it. Yeah. 1227 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,120 Are they worth it? Are they worth living? 1228 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,160 That life of authenticity that you seem to be 100%, that seems 1229 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,400 to be who you are. Authentic is one of the words 1230 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,640 that I would use to describe you near the very beginning of the 1231 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,880 description. The description list authentic 1232 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,080 would probably be one of the top words for you. 1233 00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,080 And again, not perfect. Yeah, first to admit, not 1234 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,240 perfect, but authentic. You're in your zone when you're 1235 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:05,680 being as authentic as you can be. 1236 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,880 A lot of guys right now aren't being authentic. 1237 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:08,680 They're not in the job they want. 1238 00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:09,880 They're not in the relationship they want. 1239 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,080 They're not in the Whatever. That's a hard thing because I 1240 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,760 learnt like and I get it, trust me, because the whole, like I 1241 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,960 said when I was a kid, very insecure, shy, dark places and 1242 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,000 everything. When I open myself up and just 1243 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,440 stop, it's not that I stop caring. 1244 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,240 It's not like I don't care what people think. 1245 00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,040 I'm not like I'm not. I'm not that I'm not small about 1246 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,520 little muscles here because I totally care. 1247 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,040 But I I've set myself up in my life to do it exactly how I want 1248 00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,320 to do it in that moment all the time, right? 1249 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,600 And and I do it. It could be in a grocery store. 1250 00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,520 It could be like it could be anywhere. 1251 00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,120 I just, I just don't have to overthink or try to do an 1252 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,840 expectation to anything. And I'm getting away with just 1253 00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,560 being exactly who I want all the time. 1254 00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,840 I don't know if that makes any sense. 1255 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,520 But. Isn't that freeing? 1256 00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,160 It's very freeing and it's it's very beautiful and it's it's not 1257 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,920 worth fighting that. It's not worth the effort going 1258 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:07,400 in, hiding that it just like not in a negative way. 1259 01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:11,240 But life is short and I think when you find that place, the 1260 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:12,720 whole world can start to look different. 1261 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:16,880 I wake up my favorite things and I still get it like oh it's just 1262 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,080 waking up in the morning and and looking outside. 1263 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,600 It's my it's not looking at the winery. 1264 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,480 It's just there's a just a feeling of like because it's 1265 01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,800 everything is just like so there's no, I don't know how to 1266 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,480 explain it. There's no preconceptions. 1267 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,640 There's no, I don't know I don't know how to explain that one 1268 01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,440 That sounds weird. Well, cut that out. 1269 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:35,720 Well, no. No, we're not gonna. 1270 01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,200 Because when I married my wife, I think, I think you and I 1271 01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,320 actually view the world similarly in a lot of ways. 1272 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,440 And and one of the things that when the things that she 1273 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:47,200 couldn't, she had a hard time understanding. 1274 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,760 When I wake up every morning, for the most part, I look 1275 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:50,920 outside no matter what the weather is. 1276 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,280 I say it's a brand new day. Yeah. 1277 01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,120 And I get excited about the brand new day and the 1278 01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,200 possibilities of that brand new day. 1279 01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,760 Yeah, It seems like it might be along the same vein of what you 1280 01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,120 were talking. About it is I think it's also a 1281 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:03,560 sense of being super grateful and very just happy again and 1282 01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:07,880 it's not of where I am or what it's just being here. 1283 01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,360 Yeah. You know And then when you live 1284 01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,520 your day like that where just you're living every day, like 1285 01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,960 live the day to the fullest. Like every time I sing it's 1286 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,080 definitely on my head. Sing like you're never going to 1287 01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,160 sing again. Like how lucky you get to sing 1288 01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,640 how lucky you that you get to wake up and go to a job and look 1289 01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,760 at your family. Those simple things are massive 1290 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,240 and I think when you live your life with no, with lots of 1291 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,760 vulnerability and just all out there, they're all magnified. 1292 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,000 Maybe. I don't know if. 1293 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,800 That's but yet once a week, say you're doing this once a week 1294 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,880 and sometimes it's more than that but but once a week you're 1295 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,560 doing that. You're also psyching yourself up 1296 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,880 to do it and it's and and that's another. 1297 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,680 I think that's another secret to life. 1298 01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,000 If if if you do something hard, if you do something that makes 1299 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,280 you nervous to stretch your comfort zone to, that leads to 1300 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,560 you know. Usually if the comfort zone is 1301 01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,960 here, usually the fun stuff or the good stuff is out here, 1302 01:01:58,600 --> 01:01:59,760 right? And you do that. 1303 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,520 You know, you you constantly are challenging those things about 1304 01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,200 you and I think that that's AI think that's a that's a 1305 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:08,760 beautiful thing. I think that's a secret too. 1306 01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,360 I think there are guys out there who may not be challenging 1307 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:11,440 themselves. Maybe they're bored. 1308 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,120 Maybe they're, you know, And if you do something, that's hard, 1309 01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,080 whether it's hard here or hard here or whatever that is. 1310 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,080 Yeah, there is that. That's the reward. 1311 01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,120 That's the end game. And I never think, and I never 1312 01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,240 get tired of it either, though. Like, I never think it when I'm 1313 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:24,600 coming over here. Oh, I'm going to get that. 1314 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,480 But it happens every time. And yeah, you forget it even 1315 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:29,760 happens. It just happens, right? 1316 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,880 Yeah. I think that's I appreciate this 1317 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,680 so much we're we're we're we're getting close to the end here 1318 01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:44,280 but I I got to ask you about I got well you know what I want to 1319 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,240 talk about the writing process 1st and then I'll ask you about 1320 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:47,320 Bloodless. But I'm going to ask you about 1321 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:52,720 Bloodless because that is the I love that song and and I cannot 1322 01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,280 wait to to dive into that a little bit with you. 1323 01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,440 It's been fun diving with into it, with the perspectives of all 1324 01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,040 the other bandmates, but that one in particular. 1325 01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:07,120 When you have written songs along the way, have they always 1326 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:12,800 been therapeutic, autobiographical, whatever words 1327 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,800 like dealt personal, Have they always been that? 1328 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:17,960 Or have there been times where you're like, no, I'm going to 1329 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,760 write this, like I think about the Broken Hearts Club song, 1330 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,760 which is, you know, I believe, written before this. 1331 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,760 Did you write it after this place or was it written before 1332 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,920 this place? Before I named it yeah, yeah. 1333 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,680 Before I named this place, the song came before the Speakeasy. 1334 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:34,560 Yeah, which is again, are you a prophet? 1335 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,600 Like, I don't understand because it's it is the perfect song for 1336 01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,160 this venue and yet written beforehand. 1337 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,400 But anyway, like when you write songs, is it sometimes with 1338 01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,360 intention of I'm going to write up a song about this or is it 1339 01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:50,240 always delving things? It's actually where this is not 1340 01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:51,760 going to make me look like a good songwriter. 1341 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:56,600 I can't write that well on an actual topic most of the time, 1342 01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,560 OK? It's written off of feelings and 1343 01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,560 words that resonate with me and what that feeling is, OK and 1344 01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:06,600 where I'm proud of myself. I think if I focus too much on 1345 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:12,240 the topic and that it would not have a spectrum of views from 1346 01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,280 different people. Yes, I think the the best songs 1347 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,080 can mean different things to different people instead of 1348 01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:18,760 being one-dimensional. Yes, so. 1349 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,120 And I but I'm not doing that on purpose. 1350 01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,560 It's not like I'm this cool know it all songwriter, because I'm 1351 01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:23,920 not. It's just the only way I know 1352 01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,920 how to write. So it's taking words and 1353 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,720 feelings line by line. And then usually when I'm done, 1354 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,640 it starts about it could be about a frog and end up about a 1355 01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,840 brick. And like, how do I now change 1356 01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:40,200 some things so that it's a frog and a lizard that's closer and 1357 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,120 now people can take that to be what they want it to be? 1358 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,800 And there's lines and there's feelings. 1359 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,800 There's some specific songs that are really closer to home than 1360 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,480 others. There's songs that I'm 1361 01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,920 pretending that I am nori when I'm writing them. 1362 01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,040 There's songs from pretending I'm Travis in a line. 1363 01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,320 There's songs from pretending I'm I'm they don't know that. 1364 01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,720 But I I try to do that because I don't think anybody really wants 1365 01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,960 to hear my full story. They want their own. 1366 01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,000 So if I'm taking it from different elements, it creates 1367 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,240 something that people can make their own. 1368 01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,240 And I'm very at the end of the day, I am proud of the words. 1369 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,320 That's the one thing that I am proud of. 1370 01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,080 And I no one really knows any of them. 1371 01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,160 I don't think the band knows all the words all the time, but I I 1372 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:23,400 put a lot of thought into words and I I I I like what I've 1373 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,320 written as far as words. I think I could sing better on 1374 01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,600 some days, but yeah, I don't know if I answered that. 1375 01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:30,480 Correctly. No, no, no. 1376 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,400 And I'm not surprised that you. Would say it's all over the map. 1377 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,480 I love that you at least have that. 1378 01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,920 Like if there was one thing that I wanted to do today, it's to 1379 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,120 give you some compliments that you'd be able to accept and the 1380 01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,800 fact that you're able to even say I've got some satisfaction 1381 01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,840 in in the writing that I do. I love that. 1382 01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,800 I want to talk about bloodless. I want to talk about this this 1383 01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,680 this new stuff that you guys are doing. 1384 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,120 Your catalogue's awesome. Everybody who watches this I or 1385 01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,240 listens. I highly recommend go to the the 1386 01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,680 Spotify or the Apple musics of the world or or whatever. 1387 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,360 Search for proper, man. It's worth the search. 1388 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,760 It's awesome of every era that has come out. 1389 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,080 Every song, every single, all these things that have come out 1390 01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,880 are worth worth putting in your ear holes for sure. 1391 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,040 And and and down not just through the ear holes, but into 1392 01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,560 the heart as well. There's a lot of beautiful, 1393 01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,920 beautiful stuff that's eclectic and all over the place. 1394 01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:27,120 I love your band, but I want to talk about Bloodless and and as 1395 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:31,960 this project has bloomed organically, it bloomed right 1396 01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:36,160 along side of the production of Bloodless which is a song that 1397 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,800 started really seven years ago. Yeah, Travis, yeah. 1398 01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,840 You know, and and and I just. I love that. 1399 01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,040 I love the song. I love that. 1400 01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:52,600 It's very, very clear that there are some primal feelings that 1401 01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:56,040 are involved in this song. Can you please talk about it 1402 01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,760 from your perspective? Get as personal or as surfacely 1403 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,720 as you want, but just. We'll go in the middle. 1404 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,560 OK. So yeah, the song started from 1405 01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:08,920 Travis musically, as far as the words go, there is a feeling. 1406 01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:10,800 The last two songs are the one called The Fort, where they're 1407 01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,720 both kind of rate written lyrically at the same time. 1408 01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,680 There was something in in my life, my family's life that was 1409 01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,080 pretty sad. We lost somebody very close to 1410 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:25,920 us. Those details are more left, you 1411 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,760 know. So it was a very heavy situation 1412 01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:34,120 for the whole family as it was pretty traumatic and the person 1413 01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,720 that we lost, proper man, was his favorite band. 1414 01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,600 So it's a pretty deep, deep conversation. 1415 01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:47,680 So and I've written probably 30 songs that are directed exactly 1416 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,080 on that topic. Like, you know what I'm saying? 1417 01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:50,000 Don't do that. I did. 1418 01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,120 But those are for me. Those are mine, they're not. 1419 01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:54,720 I don't want to share them with people. 1420 01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,480 More like journal entries or something, or a diary entry. 1421 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,440 It's my it's my therapist, right? 1422 01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,720 Writing songs and maybe one day I'll show some people but those 1423 01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,560 are are put aside. But as I was doing those songs 1424 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,120 and doing doing that these two songs were being written they're 1425 01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:15,760 both have got elements of that that in them in in these songs 1426 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:20,160 bloodless though part of it. The words do come from a place 1427 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,399 of, remember I said earlier, about 50 people going, yeah, 1428 01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:24,960 yeah. And that one person that doesn't 1429 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:31,560 like it beating you down. The song is about it's, it's, 1430 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,439 it's hopefully a bit of a message to people out there just 1431 01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,960 to not give up on on and believe in what they're doing and to 1432 01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,479 focus on what they're doing. So my whole point, that song is 1433 01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:46,800 just not listening and going after the things with all of my 1434 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,800 heart, not letting anyone get in the way of that. 1435 01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:53,160 But there's obviously on the level of the primal, the the 1436 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:58,600 emotion and the energy, I'm singing to that, but the words 1437 01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,479 are a bigger or different message. 1438 01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,319 So it's hard to explain. It's very Is that ADHD? 1439 01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:05,359 When? You. 1440 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:07,200 I would call it layered. Layered. 1441 01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,200 OK, So it's. Yeah, it's very layered. 1442 01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,800 The energy and the heart and the thing that people say they get 1443 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,240 goosebumps off of. It's not the words, it's where 1444 01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:17,359 I'm singing from. Yes. 1445 01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,680 But the words, not all of them. Some of them has to do with 1446 01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,760 that. But most of the words are about 1447 01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,120 the journey and the negativity, and when people are trying to 1448 01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,399 bring you down, when you're trying to do something, it's a 1449 01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:34,760 bit of a message to that. Look the other way. 1450 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:40,920 Yeah I so. So being here I'm I'm honoured 1451 01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,520 by the way that I got to see you perform that song live for the 1452 01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:45,920 first time. Honoured. 1453 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:46,840 I'm. Glad you were there. 1454 01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,600 I'm glad you were there because you saw it. 1455 01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,920 It'll only get better. Here we go. 1456 01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,080 No, it's true. It was our first kick at the 1457 01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:59,160 can, but I know that that song meant something to you. 1458 01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:00,880 Very. Very much so. 1459 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,320 When I was up there and I sang it with my back to the crowd, it 1460 01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:07,440 wasn't being rude. I just, I was really nervous and 1461 01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:10,960 and and I will always sing with that song to my back to the 1462 01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,600 crowd because a few people said it was powerful. 1463 01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:14,760 You will. Oh well. 1464 01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:19,920 And and and it's not a thing of me being I'm singing that song 1465 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:25,280 for me of where it comes from and that's that's we really 1466 01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,840 someone's business. So I'll always have my back to 1467 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,040 them. But I'm looking the other way, 1468 01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,720 Yeah. But I hope the words are 1469 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,400 someone's business. I hope it does someone counts to 1470 01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:36,840 that song and get the message. Out of it. 1471 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,040 Oh my God, is it it? Does it ever do that for me? 1472 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,920 I I see that, you know and I understand why. 1473 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,120 Why, There'll be a probably a time where that is the show 1474 01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,960 opener for a while and and and all of that until you figure it 1475 01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:51,080 out. To me, when I think about you 1476 01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,720 guys seeing you on stages, whether it's this one or bigger 1477 01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,680 ones or whatever that looks like to me in my heart, That's the 1478 01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,480 song you finish with really well. 1479 01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:02,600 Yeah, because it sends, it sends you out into the night wanting 1480 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:08,400 to say, screw you to anything, anything, any forces that of of 1481 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,720 whatever it might be, whether it's a, whether it's words, 1482 01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,400 whether it's oppression, whatever it is, and and and 1483 01:11:14,440 --> 01:11:17,400 doing the other thing instead and and and and walking in the 1484 01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,560 other direction from it. And to me that I mean what 1485 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,400 better of a of a message could you give to somebody. 1486 01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,800 Yeah and that's what that but that's what it means to me and 1487 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,400 and I mean I I can't wait to see the evolution as it continues. 1488 01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:31,680 Yeah. With that song and how it. 1489 01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:33,800 You know what happens with it. Yeah. 1490 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:39,680 Just OK before we kind of close it up, I've got an idea about 1491 01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,280 how to close things up. But but this project talking, 1492 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:44,840 you know what he changed. It's all about. 1493 01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,560 It's about being a place for guys can help being them, can 1494 01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,920 can can be themselves and negotiate their way through this 1495 01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,560 world. Here you were an Insta. 1496 01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,040 Yes. The moment you know you were 1497 01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,080 approached with this, the idea of this as being able to profile 1498 01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:03,400 with the greater message being men's mental Wellness. 1499 01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:08,040 Did you want to comment on anything about that before we 1500 01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:09,360 finish up with the thing that I was thinking? 1501 01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:13,120 Of here I don't know what to say to it too much. 1502 01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,160 I I really don't. But what I do know the basics of 1503 01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:20,160 it when I talk to you and your sincerity to do some good things 1504 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,920 for people and and I've struggled. 1505 01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,160 I have my own struggles every day with mental health. 1506 01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,240 I've had them since I was a little boy and I just build 1507 01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,760 stupid shit to fix it. It doesn't mean I don't have it. 1508 01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,400 And so when I heard you talk, I appreciate it. 1509 01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:42,320 And anything I could do to even just just hang out with you and 1510 01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,360 and maybe give anything I can to to show you appreciation for 1511 01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:50,080 what you're doing, it's it's commendable. 1512 01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,280 It's very cool. Well, I appreciate you saying 1513 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:54,600 that. Thank you very, very much. 1514 01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,320 You know, it's funny how people could be labeled and we, we, we 1515 01:12:58,320 --> 01:12:59,840 label people. Once you get to a certain place, 1516 01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,200 though, and you've built things that are big enough, you might 1517 01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,800 get labeled as eccentric. But really at the end of the 1518 01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,600 day, I think, I think all of us have that desire to be eccentric 1519 01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,440 because we are such individuals. Yeah. 1520 01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:13,880 Taught to conform. Yeah. 1521 01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,000 And and and and the one thing this is how I kind of want to 1522 01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,920 finish off a little bit is, is the thing about proper man. 1523 01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,400 To me it is a statement. Even though you were come up 1524 01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:26,240 wearing the, the, the, the formal wear of a certain time 1525 01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,400 period and all of that stuff. To me Proper man is about not 1526 01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,240 conforming and being yourself. Yeah. 1527 01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,680 And and and the things that are important to you are the 1528 01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,320 priorities. You know, the things that are 1529 01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,040 really important to your heart of the priorities, not the 1530 01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,600 things that everybody else says. That should be your priorities 1531 01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:41,360 and that sort of. Thing. 1532 01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,720 And when you do that, good things can happen. 1533 01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:45,200 Yeah. That's when you start to get 1534 01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,280 results and move people and do good things. 1535 01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,120 Yes. It's when you're oblivious to 1536 01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,680 the rest of it and you do that and that's that is exactly what 1537 01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:52,640 happened. And it didn't. 1538 01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:56,360 It was, it happened organically. You said that word earlier. 1539 01:13:57,480 --> 01:13:59,360 It really did. Yeah. 1540 01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:04,080 I I'm glad you're in the world. I'm glad you're in the world 1541 01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:08,000 that is close geographically to my world because you have 1542 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:13,160 inspired me in so many ways. You have a group of guys who are 1543 01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,440 all inspired by you. We have the video footage that 1544 01:14:16,440 --> 01:14:18,880 they have said that they are all inspired by you. 1545 01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:20,400 It's just because. I give them whiskey. 1546 01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,640 Not through. Not through the inspiration of 1547 01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,880 spirit, but through the inspiration of who you are and 1548 01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,320 what you do. And again, you know when you 1549 01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:35,880 include you, you know 3/5 of the band have lived in your house at 1550 01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:37,920 some point. Like it's just it's a beautiful 1551 01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,680 thing. This is a beautiful band. 1552 01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,800 I can't wait to see what the future lays in store for, how I 1553 01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:45,680 can connect with you guys, whether it's just as a fan or 1554 01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,760 other things, this kind of thing, what what's going to 1555 01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,760 happen with the future for you is is just magical to me. 1556 01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,960 And I love the fact that I got a chance to talk to you at this 1557 01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,920 time and this place. He changed it. 1558 01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:00,440 Thanks you on behalf of. He changed it. 1559 01:15:00,440 --> 01:15:04,080 Thank you very, very much for understanding the vision of kind 1560 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:05,840 of what we had here. Thank you for being. 1561 01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,360 I want to use this word very carefully because some people 1562 01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,160 look at it as a religious word I talked about earlier. 1563 01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,960 But it is a testimony. You all are a testimony for 1564 01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,800 other guys who are out there that may not be living the lives 1565 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,440 that they want to live, but but it's worth it. 1566 01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:21,880 It's worth doing the work. And we've had many examples of 1567 01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,720 that through this project of of Yeah, it's worth it. 1568 01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,520 Yeah. I wish I could speak better to 1569 01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,400 that feeling. But what you're saying there, 1570 01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,080 it's I wish I could. Wish I was better spoken, but 1571 01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,400 yeah, I don't know how to how to say it because that is 1572 01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,080 everything that I that I am today, which is not it's just 1573 01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,320 whatever, but life is going good. 1574 01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,360 It's only because of that reason, and I can't speak to it 1575 01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,360 as well as you can, and I can feel it very strongly. 1576 01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:51,640 But anybody out there that you know those those kinds of things 1577 01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:55,120 are holding them back where they have insecurities of who they 1578 01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,880 are because for whatever reason, if it's something they're taught 1579 01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:04,240 or what they think it should be, it's just everything just opens 1580 01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:09,120 up when you just let it all go. It's very cliche just but kind 1581 01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,000 of not give a shit and just be good. 1582 01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,000 Just just try to be good and do good things for people and not 1583 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,400 worry about, you know, anything coming back your way or 1584 01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:18,760 anything. Just kind of going for it. 1585 01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:20,880 I'm not making any sense. You're making all the sense. 1586 01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,000 Thank you for living it. Thank you for doing that. 1587 01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:27,240 And thank you for giving people. Thank you for giving people 1588 01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,840 permission to look the other way on these things. 1589 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,080 So thank you for that. Jay. 1590 01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:32,560 I love you. I appreciate you so much. 1591 01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:33,680 Thanks, man. OK. 1592 01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:34,160 Right on.