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Welcome to. 
He cast the official podcast of 

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he changed it. 
As always, I am like Schism as 

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always I'm excited to be here to
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the nuances and to get 
conversations going out in the 

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open about men, mental health, 
mental wellness, and the plight 

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of the man. 
In in the 2020s boy, we're in 

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the 2020s, how crazy is that? 
And when it comes to, I love it 

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and I hate at the same time I 
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been so technologically 
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We have never been so openly 
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ideas in so many different ways.
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because I don't know that I've 
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where things are more polarized 
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challenged in ways where there 
are people who are, we've never 

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been so connected. 
But at the same time, there are 

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men out there who have never 
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Trying to bust through all of 
that, I am so honored to be even

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a small part of what he changed.
It is trying to do, we've got 

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all sorts of things going on. 
Listen, if you haven't 

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downloaded the heat change 
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What the heck? 
Are you waiting for, please go 

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to whatever app persuasion that 
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Whether you're the Google, or 
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problem. 
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Each ancient download the app, 
it's free. 

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Lots of resources on there and 
you ain't seen nothing yet. 

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Just some great stuff going on. 
Also, if you wouldn't mind 

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liking sharing subscribing, this
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that as well. 
Let's get the the numbers up a 

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little bit, so the masses can be
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Now, that being said, the 
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I am really, really excited 
about today's guest on, he cast.

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First and foremost, we just went
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broadcast. 
We went through Remembrance Day,

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in Canada and, and other, 
another number 11s of course. 

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Is seen all around the world and
I'm a big lest we forget guy. 

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I the idea of these markers, I 
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holiday. 
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connotation for, but these 
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that Remember, and we're 
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kind of permeate, that's why 
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hour of the eleventh month. 
Eleventh day, that that, that 

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idea was created because we as a
society did something so heinous

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that we wanted to always 
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So we would never do that again 
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and that if we forget history 
repeats itself, man, that when I

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look at what's going on in the 
world right now, it's like, now 

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we forgotten some of these 
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when I think of somebody who has
served, I just always the great 

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formulas that I have. 
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what it's like to be in a war 
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it's like to to have freedom for
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that we have right now that 
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exists is because of the 
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And we live in such an amazing 
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Canada, but there are places 
around the world that have had 

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unprecedented Freedom. 
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and the reason for that is 
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And anybody who serves, I always
have the deepest respect for the

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gentleman that we have today. 
Several avoid who is going to be

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on here, several, assemble, 
avoid, pardon me is a shining 

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example of that, but here's a 
guy who not only has sir Served.

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He is taking that serving of 
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experienced and taking a look at
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When it comes to mental health, 
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conversation with him because we
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And, and I look at Sab and what 
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comes to insights and 
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And I'm just so, so grateful 
that he has taken time out of 

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his busy day, to be part of, he 
cast Seb. 

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Thank you so much for being on 
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I just I can't I can't tell you 
how grateful I am. 

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When you heard about what he 
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up immediately just like you did
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country. 
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want to be a part of this and 
and and we're so grateful for 

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that. 
What was it about? 

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He changed it that you heard 
about that, you were so excited 

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about Yeah. 
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addresses, men's Wellness Falls 
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field of Interest, right? 
And doing it with people to have

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such a such a meaningful impact 
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Collective. 
I mean, this is, you know, feeds

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right into the concept of 
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I mean, doing meaningful things,
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I mean, I'm in. 
Well, we're so grateful for it. 

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Let's start at the beginning 
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You know, let's let's talk about
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what you've done and because I 
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decorated when it comes to 
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I again, just like I don't want 
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holiday. 
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word like the the reverence that
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to just to do what you've done, 
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What you've not, just put your 
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you've really gotten into it, 
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volunteer. 
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But at the end of the day, what 
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viewers about what it is that 
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25-year career? 
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I I'm in awe I'm in awe of 
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military and served in the in 
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conflicts and those who will in 
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However, I can't take credit for
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You do the conflict because I 
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2000 in 2000 yen. 
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did not serve overseas. 
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from a military perspective and 
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know, the service and wanting to
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Being willing to be there. 
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this is because I don't want 
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serving and never seen combat to
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obviously not what they're doing
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case at all. 
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associated with combat that I 
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to in the Three context. 
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credit where credit is in do in 
2001 I engaged in the I left the

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military and engage into the 
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And I spent 20 years in the 
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did anything everything from 
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specialized section to a the 
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Really it, which is a Tactical 
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commanding officers office as an
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So if we think if the if command
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ideal, they would run it by step
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So, I spent two years in that 
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Royal Canadian Mounted Police in
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own Discovery on a path. 
That wasn't so lit up and I just

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took a giant, you know, a 
calculated risk and I just loved

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it ever since. 
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raven strategic, that does all 
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Consulting to No speaking to 
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the list, goes on, and on one, 
on one coaching, with with, with

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people of various backgrounds. 
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get somebody that's so used to 
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being able to draw Excellence 
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people manage their own lives, 
or some of the goals that they 

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might have in, in the work. 
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So, that's pretty much what I've
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years. 
I appreciate very much the you 

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know the humbleness that that 
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a little bit about before we get
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health aspects that that you are
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So you served in the military 
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what you know, you've got two 
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very set in their ways. 
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very systemized. 
What served you, what skills did

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you have in things that you had 
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through the military? 
What what skills did you bring 

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with you to the RCMP? 
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were there any conflicts, were 
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you're like, oh well, you 
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to be a little bit. 
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might might have caused a little
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Yeah absolutely. 
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takeaway is having the ability 
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uncomfortable in my military 
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I've done some very difficult 
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You know, courses that started 
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those types of numbers. 
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and I essentially became the 
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Psych, I knew that I could do 
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matter how hard those things 
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something that was critically 
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go about taking step by step, 
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incremental step towards 
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So we really establish a pattern
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And it also is Polish my ability
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speak, you know, why? 
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All elevated the stress was I 
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That's what I was good at 
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having it down side is certainly
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When I initially started culture
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No, not really, but not nothing.
That it is not, not in that 

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respect, but what ended up 
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to the academy and Regina I was 
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was put in charge of the of our 
troops, which was the right 

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marker, which is the person 
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true. 
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the troop through the training, 
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extradition extra that. 
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not aware of is there are other 
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old-school old-fashioned 
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kind of leadership. 
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I had a degree of it. 
Intelligence. 

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I wasn't, I wasn't like a brute 
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imagination, but I certainly did
brutish things at time when the 

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stress was elevated on everybody
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some contention or whatever. 
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developing as a leader over the 
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and I'm like shaking my head 
going man, I made so many 

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leaders leadership mistakes at 
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And yes I'm not dwelling on this
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you know, perhaps and An average
every time I've had the chance 

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to have a conversation with 
somebody that wasn't my troop 

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when I was the teeth. 
The deleter. 

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Even though they assessed me 
really high, I could have done a

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lot better and I always tell 
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You know, I apologize if I was a
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wasn't where I needed to be as a
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understand, you know, to know 
what, I didn't know at the time.

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So now if we fast forward this 
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So I've gone in Iraq and 
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And conflicts. 
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Canadian Forces and I'm I'm 
gonna use the Canadian Special 

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Operation command. 
For example, like this is where 

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I would take my leadership 
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Not from you know, necessarily 
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it has more of a sort of free 
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people to be able to think to be
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critical analysis, and be able 
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problem solving together kind of
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the expectations that we have, 
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We want to change the world and 
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world, we look back to where we 
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the transformation that's 
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rooms, we have had folks on here
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stereotypical ideas and I love 
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of alluding to the idea that, 
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a world that maybe we might 
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know, military or, you know, 
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thinking part that you're 
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Now that that leaders, you know,
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just coming at us and the idea 
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than critical thinking. 
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ability to physically critically
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analysis. 
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some academic knowledge as well,
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So are you you need to be able 
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your is few, spend a life a life
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lot of the problem solving that 
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inoperable in the field and when
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right? 
You you haven't experienced it 

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some level of Academia which, 
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principle of critical analysis 
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information. 
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peer-reviewed material, and that
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necessarily has to go to school,
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that, that's the case, right? 
Where are you getting your 

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information from and how valid 
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the A reality because this is 
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So how do we marry up the to? 
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none of the operational tools 
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operational tools and under the 
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So it has to be there. 
It has to be like everything 

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else in Balance. 
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background is, I came in, I'm 
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business and what I got into the
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I remember somebody a mentor of 
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your plumber, Giving you 
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get out and I didn't know what 
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that time. 
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whatever it is, whether it's a 
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you know, whatever you want to 
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crypto. 
The.com Revolution, back in the 

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in the late 90s, all of these 
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you get an incredible amount of 
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experts about things and I mean 
I see I've seen that in so many 

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different ways and when you 
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about things and all they're 
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things that they have heard but 
they have no academic knowledge 

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like you've said or or even the 
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where you realize, okay. 
It might be time to really 

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observe what's going to happen 
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swing back did I just not 
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that are going on right now in 
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now. 
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And you know what's interesting 
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capacity for complexity, right? 
Because we need we need to be 

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able to make sense of our world 
and it is absolutely asinine 

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that we're even here in the 
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Sort of spinning around the sun 
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all the things that we have to 
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everything so that we may 
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What's important to? 
Stand. 

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Is that our pursuit to try to 
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Everything does not work and it 
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So what we need to do is we need
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incompetence stage 2D conscious 
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major step forward. 
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incompetent, we know to look for
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that there's probably more to 
the story, we know that we need 

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to be informed and that we need 
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expert or read about it or do 
something that is more in depth,

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right? 
The problem is most humans don't

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realize that we do that so they 
continue to be unconsciously 

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incompetent as humans so they 
literally don't know what they 

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don't know but they're also not 
interested in knowing if they 

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don't know something whereas if 
you don't if you know what you 

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don't know you can go to the 
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information. 
So the goal isn't to assimilate 

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and have the information 
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Available to you because you 
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everything because that we know 
that that's impossible, because 

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there is so much, but knowing 
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incompetent. 
Most of the time is, is step one

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to taking ownership of that and 
taking control of Our Fate as 

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humans. 
Once we established that then we

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can start looking at, who knows 
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We don't know and finding the 
information That's almost 

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biblical, you know, isn't it? 
Isn't that a proverb somewhere? 

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The wise man is the one that 
knows that he's a fool, 

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something like that. 
I and I, you know, this I'm 

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going to marry that to the fact 
that I love this gig that I do 

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so so much because I love 
talking to people who are 

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smarter than me. 
And that's, that's the vast 

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majority of people out there 
when I hear someone like 

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yourself who has delved down 
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have Seb, I just appreciate 
these little bite-sized. 

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Pieces of information that you 
can give that my mind can 

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assimilate like that is a very 
simple concept that I can apply 

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to my life and I can I can use 
it as a lens. 

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When I'm when I'm when I'm 
looking at something or 

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pondering something, that is a 
very simple thing that can be 

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done. 
I think that's the mark of a 

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good leader, is being able to 
simplify things and bite-sized 

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things. 
So the masses can understand it 

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and apply it. 
You have seen in your life 

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between the military and the 
RCMP. 

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P. 
I mean, it's really two separate

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careers by the way, I also not 
for nothing but our audience is 

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going to want to know the secret
to the Fountain of Youth. 

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You clearly have it. 
Uh huh. 

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I'm having live the lives that 
you've led up to this point. 

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Oh my goodness. 
The two careers that you've had 

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and and looking the way that you
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you do the fresh mindset, I'm 
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personally, how much work has it
taken for these two careers to 

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not have beaten the crap out of 
you and for you to Be who you 

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are. 
Today obviously, you've taken 

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care of yourself physically, but
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What are some of the secrets 
that you have? 

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What are some of the the parts 
of your journey that have kept 

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you healthy that way? 
Yeah, I mean, there's I think 

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it's a conglomeration of things,
right? 

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You are correct, then that my 
job requirements, always 

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involved physical abilities, 
right? 

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So I was always a physical 
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outside. 
You know, we are the generation 

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that didn't really have, you 
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our, in our teenage years ago, 
video game specific about 

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exactly and no cell phones and 
everything. 

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So I did a lot of physical 
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I certainly was very passionate 
about About physical fitness 

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because I think it's highly 
underrated and benefits on the 

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mine and the emotional. 
Well Wellness is undeniable and 

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and and it was very important to
me but also I was you know 

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grounded in a purpose and that 
is a massive. 

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It's a massive sort of pillar of
the resilient scheme, right? 

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So having the ability to what it
is that you are doing, is it 

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truly meaningful for you? 
And if it is truly meaningful 

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for you then you are passionate 
about doing it and it Longer is 

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work and then the down sides 
that are coming along with it 

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are easier to negotiate second. 
I never let any of my careers to

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find me regardless of how much I
loved my careers. 

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I never was a cop or I never was
a, you know, a military guy. 

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I just so happen to work in the 
military. 

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I just so happen to work in the 
police force. 

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But even when I was, you know, 
proud to be a team leader on the

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Emergency Response. 
Team, I was Seb, I wasn't, you 

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know, an emergency team leader, 
whatever the case may be. 

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But and I think what we're 
seeing in policing is people are

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spending 30 years in there and 
the job defines them, they're 

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nothing without it, and then 
they leave or something happens 

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that interferes with this. 
And when we talk about PTSD, we 

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can talk about, obviously 
Sanctuary trauma or they or they

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they are wrong or they feel 
they're wrong by the, by the 

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organization or they are 
actually wrong but your 

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organization and everything and 
that takes a chip of the old 

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block. 
It's actually affecting their 

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their persona it's affecting 
their identity, which this Never

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a thing for me. 
So, physical fitness was 

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prioritize, always mental and 
intellectual development was 

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prioritize always. 
So, I push myself outside my 

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comfort zone. 
Not just physically, but 

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mentally always, I never let 
myself be comfortable. 

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So, I did it allowed me to learn
about the tools that I can use 

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to preemptively address some of 
the, some of the things that 

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would affect me either mentally 
or emotionally. 

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See the problem is when it comes
to policing, when it comes to 

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military when it comes to 
anything really even in In any, 

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in a corporate setting, people 
don't invest in their. 

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Well, Wellness ahead of time, 
there are reactive they get 

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themselves all stressed out and 
all caught up in everything and 

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eventually when it catches up to
them, they're like, okay, now, 

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what and what am I supposed to 
do with this, although the punch

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you prepare for is much better 
than the punch, you're not 

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prepared for so, preemptively 
addressing some of those things,

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and having your key people 
around and understanding what it

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means to have meaningful people 
and supportive people around you

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and and literally discarding the
People that are bringing nothing

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positive to your life and you 
cannot bring anything positive 

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to and really be a little bit 
selfish in that self-care. 

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Okay? 
And when I say selfish is 

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eventually, obviously if a 
friend calls you and they're in 

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needs up, this is not what I'm 
referring to here. 

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I'm referring to, you know, to 
blood-sucking vampires. 

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That everything is negative and 
everything's everybody else's 

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fault and they're deflecting 
everywhere. 

450
00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:37,200
And while these leeches are 
absolutely over everybody in 

451
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,700
life, and how do we And 
generally, it takes people until

452
00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:43,800
their 40s to realize that 
happens. 

453
00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:46,000
It's important to do that 
earlier. 

454
00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:48,800
It's important to teach that to 
her kids, so that they 

455
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,400
understand, somebody might weigh
you down forever, if you don't. 

456
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,900
So, having the right people 
around you, having the right 

457
00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:57,100
purpose, being engaged, 
physically, mentally, and 

458
00:24:57,100 --> 00:25:00,200
emotionally learning things. 
Being outside in nature, 

459
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,300
connecting with nature, 
connecting with freakin animals.

460
00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:06,200
Like, for all I care, you know, 
like just having meaningful 

461
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,200
things in your life and my life 
was like that. 

462
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,900
Additionally, I had a very, very
difficult upbringing and lots of

463
00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:15,600
adversity. 
So we know that adversity is 

464
00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:20,000
almost always directly 
correlated to resilience if the 

465
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,200
person doesn't go the other way.
So it can create growth or it 

466
00:25:23,208 --> 00:25:27,100
can create another another set 
of issues in my case, it was 

467
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:31,200
growth, that it created. 
So yes, a very adversity sort of

468
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,300
written youth, which, you know, 
built a foundation that I could 

469
00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:38,800
take a hit, you know. 
And so, let me give you an 

470
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,100
example of this. 
It's just, I just returned from 

471
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:42,900
a trip overseas. 
So I was in Haiti. 

472
00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:46,000
Give you a little, a little 
piece of the landscape in Haiti 

473
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:52,300
right now. 65 to 75% of the of 
the capital Port-au-Prince has 

474
00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:54,400
and gang control. 
Heavily armed gang control. 

475
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:58,600
Okay, they have two ports. 
The weapons are coming you know 

476
00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:01,200
probably from the states in 
there and we're talking about 

477
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:06,200
high-tech Weaponry there's 
daytime gang rates going on in 

478
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:11,100
the cities there is you know, 
factions Beware there shortage 

479
00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:17,200
of fuel gas food. 
There is, I mean, 10,000 cases 

480
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:22,000
of Cholera over the last year, 
death 1500 abductions of 

481
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,400
domestic. 
Essentially domestic in nature. 

482
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,000
So people being abducted from 
the from the streets to be for 

483
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,200
ransom and and so that the gangs
can, you know, get some money. 

484
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:34,000
So this is the landscape over 
there right now, there's hardly 

485
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,400
any government, its lawlessness,
lot of snacks over there. 

486
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:39,600
Okay so I'm having a 
conversation. 

487
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:44,000
Relation with a bunch of people 
in the cons in the context of a 

488
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:45,900
paper. 
I'm writing and I have this 

489
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:49,000
conversation and we start 
talking about mental Wellness, 

490
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:51,200
we start talking about mental 
emotional wellness. 

491
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,200
And as soon as I start talking 
about that they're looking at me

492
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,300
weird and eventually we come to 
the suicide piece, right? 

493
00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:59,900
And they're like and and they 
look at me shocked. 

494
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:03,300
Why would anybody do that? 
Why? 

495
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:06,100
And I'm thinking to myself. 
Wow. 

496
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,200
Like this is very telling. 
Yep, this is very telling so I 

497
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,200
look deeper into this. 
I'm like okay, let's have a look

498
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,000
because perhaps to just unaware,
right? 

499
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:20,600
So I I put my iPod, I pulled up 
a peer-reviewed article and it 

500
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,500
says sure. 
Enough 8.6 percent per 100,000 

501
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,900
habitants do you know what it is
in Canada? 

502
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:32,000
12.7 or something, right? 
It seems like nothing, but think

503
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,000
about this, a four percent 
average. 

504
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:39,600
Over 100,000 people is a massive
difference and these guys 

505
00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:45,100
compared their lives with ours. 
And and again, this is not about

506
00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:48,800
invalidating, how people feel 
here and all this good stuff, 

507
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:54,100
but it is a reality people, 
react adversity, builds 

508
00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:56,700
resilience, and then more 
comfortable that we are. 

509
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:58,900
And the more Or comfortable 
comfortable that we keep 

510
00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:04,700
ourselves in, it doesn't help us
at all in fact and so for me it 

511
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:08,700
was absolutely a shock to see 
that a third world country 

512
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:14,100
afflicted by all those things. 
And you know, one of the, one of

513
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:15,800
the lady I was there. 
She was pretty smart. 

514
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,600
They're all educated and she was
pretty small, pretty smart. 

515
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,000
And she said something along the
lines of we don't commit 

516
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,800
suicide, we get suicided, you 
know, and it made for a funny 

517
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,900
moment. 
But Man, but he go. 

518
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:32,700
But it goes to show what a 
perspective on life though. 

519
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:35,400
Like, sure laugh at that, you 
know what I'm saying? 

520
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,400
And how real was it? 
What she was saying was tongue 

521
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,100
in cheek, but it was every bit 
as sobering as to how real it 

522
00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:43,600
is. 
You know? 

523
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,700
And, and I mean, yeah, I the 
idea that as comfortable as we 

524
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:55,900
are, it also gives us puts us in
in Jeopardy of these types of 

525
00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:59,100
trappings of This is just the 
human mind biology, all this 

526
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:01,100
kind of stuff. 
I think about that though. 

527
00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:03,500
I also think about there being 
opportunity, like, for guys that

528
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:06,600
are listening to this right now 
that are facing some sort of 

529
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,500
adversity, whatever it is, you 
know, you know, 

530
00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:12,400
relationship-wise, it could be, 
you know, job. 

531
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:15,300
The idea of a purposelessness, 
whatever. 

532
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:19,300
Whatever that is, there is a 
switch in our brain. 

533
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:21,900
If I'm hearing you right? 
That we could flip to go. 

534
00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:24,700
Wait a second. 
How we're feeling right now 

535
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,100
actually could be a springboard.
Word into something great. 

536
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:31,700
You talk about the idea of 
resilience will many times that 

537
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:35,600
resilience can lead to not just 
survival, like, we're talking 

538
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,300
about with the good people of 
Haiti, but it could lead to us, 

539
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:41,800
giving ourselves a bigger 
better, more fulfilled life, 

540
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,800
whatever that looks like. 
The anxiety that you're feeling 

541
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,000
right now listener. 
Whoever you are or whatever it 

542
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,700
is, that you're feeling myself. 
I woke up this morning with some

543
00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:52,300
anxiety, that happens that 
anxiety. 

544
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:56,300
We can actually, if we have an 
awareness and this is to go back

545
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:58,700
to your original point, Point. 
The idea that we actually become

546
00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:01,300
aware of these things that we 
have some of these critical 

547
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:03,900
thinking ideas where we're not 
just being sheep. 

548
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:06,900
You know, when we're we're told 
to go where where, you know, in 

549
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:09,500
a rut with our head down but if 
we actually pop our head up and 

550
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:12,600
become aware of these things, 
the moment we're aware that 

551
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,200
there's adversity of any sort. 
We can realize that is also 

552
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,400
opportunity to get better if I'm
hearing you, right? 

553
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,400
Is that, is that a my on or am I
way off? 

554
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,600
No. 
Absolutely, absolutely. 

555
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,800
Everything is an opportunity for
growth and it starts with its 

556
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,000
start. 
With priming your brain for so 

557
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:31,200
right? 
And so if I, if I look at 

558
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,900
something and I and I and I 
first see it, as the biggest 

559
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:36,400
challenge I've ever faced, and 
my first reaction is this is 

560
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,300
going to destroy me, this is 
going to destroy you period. 

561
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,400
But if you but if you start with
the mindset that this is going 

562
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,700
to be difficult and I will work 
through it and regardless of 

563
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:51,000
what life throws at me. 
I will work through it. 

564
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:53,300
Yeah and if I need some help 
it's fine. 

565
00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:55,800
Like there is nothing this is 
not again in validating. 

566
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,000
What people are feeling if they 
need? 

567
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:59,700
Um help if they need somebody to
guide them or whatever, the case

568
00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:02,300
may be, but at the end of the 
day, they still have to make a 

569
00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:04,200
decision. 
And that decision has to be. 

570
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,900
This will make me stronger and 
as tacky as it sounds, it's the 

571
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:11,800
only way to prepare for the next
hit because my my issue isn't 

572
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,400
the fact that we can sustain a 
hit. 

573
00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:18,100
I when I prepared my guys on the
team, I prepared them to have a 

574
00:31:18,108 --> 00:31:20,800
10-year career in tactical 
operation and have thousands of 

575
00:31:20,808 --> 00:31:24,700
called under their belt, right? 
So I prepared them to go to a 

576
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:28,400
call get cleared from it. 
All the good stuff come back, 

577
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,000
return to a call. 
Come back return to a call and 

578
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,400
so on so forth. 
Okay. 

579
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,900
So this is where the bucket 
Theory where your add drops of 

580
00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:39,500
water and the water rises until 
it starts overflowing, unless 

581
00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:42,000
you ditched a bucket every 
single time. 

582
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,300
Okay, so, that's the idea. 
The idea is in, can you take a 

583
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:48,400
hit? 
The idea is, can you take 400 

584
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,700
that? 
Is that is the idea, right? 

585
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,600
And, and it's not about being 
fatalistic, and it's not about 

586
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,900
being neurotic, it's all about. 
Knowing that regardless of what 

587
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:03,300
happens to you for as long as 
there is, hope there is, there 

588
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:04,700
is life. 
And there is, there is an 

589
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:09,600
opportunity there. 
So in 1957, I think a scientist 

590
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,500
by the name of Kurt richer. 
I believe was his name led a 

591
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:17,000
group of scientist and they 
conducted testing with rats. 

592
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,200
Did you ever hear the story? 
It keep going, is I think this 

593
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,400
might be I think I know what 
your we're going to hurt us. 

594
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,200
But keep going, sure. 
So, this was Norwegian 

595
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:29,700
Norwegian. 
Rat domesticated, rats and wild 

596
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:30,300
rats. 
Okay? 

597
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:32,100
So they had, they had a baseline
of both. 

598
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,200
So, they take the and this is 
long before Peta, and and animal

599
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,500
protection groups, and quite 
honestly, you know, the best way

600
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:42,300
to honor the sacrifices, to 
remember, what the study 

601
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:44,000
actually said at the end of the 
day. 

602
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:47,000
So mr. 
Rich Turner and his team took 

603
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,600
the Norwegian domesticated rats,
and they had him swim in the 

604
00:32:51,608 --> 00:32:55,100
water and a bucket of water. 
And it and they let him swim 

605
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,300
until they essentially drowned. 
And it has to wait, okay? 

606
00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:02,000
The majority of them were 
between 40 and 60 hours. 

607
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:06,600
Okay, so they swam and stayed at
the surface for 40 to 60 hours. 

608
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,300
Yeah. 
Then they conducted the same 

609
00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:13,500
test with wild rats within 15 
minutes, most of them were dead,

610
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,500
Okay? 
So they looked at this same 

611
00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:21,400
physiological disposition, same 
the species. 

612
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,200
So, to speak everything except 
one group as domesticated. 

613
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,700
The other group was not Yep. 
And so they came to the 

614
00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:32,300
conclusion and I think it's 
fairly it's it has to be fairly 

615
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:33,800
accurate. 
I mean, they came to the 

616
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,700
conclusion that the wild rats 
felt hopeless and didn't see a 

617
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:42,000
way out of this and quit. 
They just let themselves round. 

618
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,100
They just quit to just stop. 
Stop swimming and let themselves

619
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:47,700
around. 
Now, what's interesting with 

620
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:48,800
this? 
And somebody might say, well, 

621
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,000
maybe that's not the case. 
Okay? 

622
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,200
So let's listen to what what 
they continue doing. 

623
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,200
So, they took wild rats, and 
they put him in the water. 

624
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,400
Let them swim. 
About 10 minutes, take a took 

625
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,600
him out, put him back in, 415 
took him out, put him back in 

626
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,100
for 30 took him out. 
And eventually, they would also 

627
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:08,500
be able to swim between 40 and 
60 hours because they were now 

628
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:10,900
stress inoculated and they knew 
it was feasible. 

629
00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:13,500
There was a way out, right? 
They had hope. 

630
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:19,300
Okay, so at the end of the day, 
hope respective drives hope so 

631
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:22,600
they're domesticated rats that 
are, you know, obviously used to

632
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,900
being caged and all this stuff. 
Had a different perspective than

633
00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:27,199
the wild rats that are free to 
go. 

634
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,199
Everywhere they go and all of a 
sudden they were restricted in 

635
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:30,400
their movements. 
Yeah. 

636
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,400
Okay. 
So perspective drives hope when 

637
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,900
there is hope there's 
survivability yeah, period. 

638
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:41,100
So all of this came together and
it is exactly the same for 

639
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:44,300
humans, it's exactly the same. 
So when we're seeking 

640
00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:47,699
perspective, we need to be 
seeking Spective from people 

641
00:34:47,699 --> 00:34:51,100
that have built that have it 
worse than us, and the goal is 

642
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:54,400
not to invalidate our own 
feelings or own emotions. 

643
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,400
Know the goal is, let those 
emotions flow through. 

644
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,100
You respect that, you know what,
no matter how bad other people 

645
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:04,200
have it, for me. 
This is a bad day today and I 

646
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,300
understand that. 
However, if I was to compare my 

647
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:11,300
day with, you know, a different 
set of circumstances the 20s 

648
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:16,800
right now. 
Yeah, that's it. 

649
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,300
Get your, get your perspective 
from the people that have it 

650
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:23,200
worse than you and then start 
seeing the hope, you know, it's 

651
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,200
almost like when things are 
going wrong in your life, 

652
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,500
there's this Dark Cloud 
following you everybody around. 

653
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:31,700
You can see that the cloud ends 
but you cannot because it's 

654
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:37,700
right above you, yep. 
I we talk a lot about gratitude 

655
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:40,800
on this, on this podcast. 
I mean and I mean, you know, 

656
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,400
I've said it many times 
gratitude is a silver bullet. 

657
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,300
It simply is the action of 
gratitude you know, being 

658
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:51,600
artificial artificial. 
Like we're you literally just 

659
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,600
set yourself up at the beginning
of the day and you make yourself

660
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,900
come up with three things you're
grateful for, you know like like

661
00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:01,000
not even you're not in this 
place of gratefulness, something

662
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,100
amazing just happened in. 
You're feeling the Rays of Hope 

663
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:06,200
and love. 
And warmth and gratefulness that

664
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,500
just naturally have. 
No, no, you're feeling like crap

665
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,300
and at the beginning of the day,
you come up with things that 

666
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:17,100
you're grateful for 
begrudgingly, even guess what? 

667
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:19,800
It starts to rewire things, it 
just does. 

668
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,700
And this is another version of 
gratefulness is, is being able 

669
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:27,100
to look at somebody's example, 
the perspectives. 

670
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:28,900
You talk about these different 
perspectives. 

671
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:34,100
That are there, what it could be
or what it has been in the past,

672
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:35,700
you know? 
What you've gone through that, 

673
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:39,400
kind of a thing to reframe that 
perspective and to add some hope

674
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,400
into it. 
And also, by the way, I have 

675
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,700
seen Achievers, do things that 
the, you know, the thinker's 

676
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,900
couldn't even fathom. 
And the reason that the 

677
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:53,200
Achievers have done, it is 
because of mindset, because of 

678
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,500
Hope because of the things that 
you're talking about here. 

679
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:57,400
Their super powers are silver 
bullets. 

680
00:36:58,100 --> 00:36:59,800
I love that we're talking about 
this. 

681
00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:02,700
I especially love that we're 
talking about this in the 

682
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:04,500
society that we live in right 
now. 

683
00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:10,700
Fascinating times, you know, for
the for folks who are aware and 

684
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:13,000
looking around and being 
introspective and and 

685
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,200
retrospective. 
And and and and and and looking 

686
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:23,100
at where our culture is at right
now, fascinating times, I'm a 

687
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:26,100
gen xers and I remember when we 
were growing up some of the 

688
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:29,900
things that we thought that the 
Baby Boomers did and it was like

689
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:31,600
you know what no we're going to 
change these things. 

690
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,600
We're going to change these 
things. 

691
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,100
We're gonna you know, us 
Nirvana, listening, 

692
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:39,000
flannel-wearing coffee. 
Drinkers is how I like to refer 

693
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,400
to us and and some of the things
that we said we're going to 

694
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,500
change. 
I do not believe that. 

695
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:47,300
If you would have told us in the
coffee shop back then that the 

696
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:50,800
generations after us are going 
to be coming along. 

697
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,800
They're going to literally tear 
the way that we live apart. 

698
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,600
They're going to look at the way
we live the way that we've been 

699
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,700
taught to live under a 
microscope and they're going to 

700
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:04,100
completely tear it apart and 
we're going to get into cancel 

701
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:06,700
culture. 
All of these things and and the 

702
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:11,600
liberal aspect of things are 
going to actually call into 

703
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,000
question freedom of speech with,
with us growing up. 

704
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,900
It was the right. 
That was, you know, that, that 

705
00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:21,400
was the conservative Wing was, 
was, was trying to get rid of 

706
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,000
freedom of speech and all of 
that kind of stuff. 

707
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,600
We saw it in music and all this 
other stuff. 

708
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,600
Now we're seeing it from the 
liberal side of things because 

709
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,500
of the idea of not wanting to 
hurt feelings and all of the 

710
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:33,100
sensitivities and all that and 
we're seeing freedom of speech 

711
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:36,300
challenged and And and these are
some of the things that are 

712
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:40,400
causing, you know, this 
comfortable Society where our 

713
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,800
suicide numbers are our mental 
health numbers are through the 

714
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,900
roof compared to some of these 
places you were talking about 

715
00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:48,300
that have actual life and death 
perspective. 

716
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:51,100
I've just done a lot of talking 
here but I know I'm setting a 

717
00:38:51,107 --> 00:38:55,400
table for a conversation that 
you are very very, very well 

718
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,300
versed in talking about but just
to give us growing up us g.i., 

719
00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:03,000
Joe Levin, kids that just love 
this stuff growing up, could we 

720
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,200
even fathom? 
That this is the life that we 

721
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:12,800
would have in our 40s and 50s. 
No, but here's what, here's 

722
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,200
what's interesting with that, 
with this, with this prospect 

723
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,700
it's okay. 
So we all got to where we are on

724
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:24,600
account of how we were raised 
and how we grew up, right? 

725
00:39:24,700 --> 00:39:27,500
And then when we got there, what
did we do? 

726
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,800
We started raising our kids and 
we're like, I want to prevent 

727
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,100
them from having any of the 
adversity that I went through. 

728
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,200
So basically I'm like, okay, 
hold on here. 

729
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,600
So let me get this straight. 
I understand that you want your 

730
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,000
kids safe. 
We all want our kids safe. 

731
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:43,100
If like you, you know, we 
obviously that's okay. 

732
00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:46,700
However, the reason why you are 
the person that you are today 

733
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:49,000
and you have the strength that 
you have today is because of 

734
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,100
what you went through. 
If you prevent all adversity and

735
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:56,600
take it out of your kid's life, 
you are not given a gift gifting

736
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,900
them, anything quite to the 
contrary. 

737
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,100
And so, that's exactly we as a 
generation and we need to take 

738
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:05,900
some ownership on that. 
We did that to this current 

739
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:08,600
generation. 
Yeah, we did that. 

740
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:11,100
Yes, don't feel, don't let them 
Is no deflection here. 

741
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:13,300
That's not look around and 
going, you know, like, whose 

742
00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:15,000
fault is that? 
And how did that happen? 

743
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:17,200
We did that. 
I love this. 

744
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:22,100
Yes. 
So you know understanding that 

745
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:27,100
yes there is a measure of 
measures that were there is some

746
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:28,900
measures that we should take to 
keep our kids safe. 

747
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:30,400
For example. 
Like we were a driving in the 

748
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,000
back of a pickup while the 
driver was drunk and we had no 

749
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,200
seatbelt and you know, those 
things obviously physical harm. 

750
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,900
Those types of things we 
understand. 

751
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,300
Same with the bully is MM. 
You know bully is MM actually if

752
00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:43,900
we don't interfere with it has a
potential when their little 

753
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:47,200
brains are not fully developed 
has the potential to hurt them. 

754
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,300
A lot more than Create growth, 
right? 

755
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:51,300
So we know that. 
So we have to interfere with 

756
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:52,800
that and I'm totally good with 
that. 

757
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,700
Yes. 
However, there's a lot of the 

758
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:57,900
natural things in life that we 
want to take away from them and 

759
00:40:57,900 --> 00:41:00,000
they should experience 
themselves. 

760
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:05,100
Like, perhaps, you know, if the 
kid is 9 and you were getting up

761
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:08,500
in the morning to help them, get
dressed and everything, you are 

762
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,600
not doing it correctly, okay. 
Now is the time to teach them 

763
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,100
the skills and to say okay man 
you're on your own. 

764
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,600
Yeah good to go let's see it. 
Okay yeah and this is just a you

765
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,700
know a Example that I'm taking, 
but obviously, we try, we over 

766
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:25,300
this generation overprotected, 
our kids, and our kids are now 

767
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:28,900
suffering, they're suffering 
because we overprotected them, 

768
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:34,700
and that's pretty evident. 
And so, you know, I would say we

769
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:37,100
need to, we need to kind of 
balance the pendulums a little 

770
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:38,900
bit, but now it's obviously 
difficult thing. 

771
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:42,300
When once an entire generation 
is affected now, it changes 

772
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:44,300
things. 
But now where they are seeing is

773
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:47,400
what we are seeing as a society.
As a collective is we're 

774
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,500
starting to see See a shift 
where people start to find the 

775
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:52,100
balance a little bit again, 
right? 

776
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:55,000
Like, and it's slow, and it's 
painful, but it but it seems to 

777
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,800
be happening. 
And hopefully it does before we 

778
00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:01,200
as a Humanity self-destruct. 
Because the world is in a, his 

779
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,400
in is in a poor state right now.
Well, if I'm being honest and 

780
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,400
daughter, my four-year-old 
granddaughter is my favorite 

781
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,200
thing in the whole world. 
The Delight that she brings to 

782
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,700
me, is just I've I've I've never
experienced anything like that 

783
00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:16,200
before. 
We have her, she's four years 

784
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,800
old, we have her in MMA. 
Okay, so she plays has a place 

785
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,400
called Bushido here in Kelowna. 
You know, they've got a bunch of

786
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,000
UFC fighters have actually come 
out of there and they have these

787
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,000
amazing kids classes. 
And I remember saying to shout 

788
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,100
out to David Lee who, you know, 
he runs to she do. 

789
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:37,900
And and I said to him, when we 
put a Lara in there, for the 

790
00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:42,000
first time I said, hey do you 
guys give like, does every all 

791
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,700
the kids get like participation 
Awards and all that stuff I 

792
00:42:44,707 --> 00:42:47,300
asked about this because, you 
know, this is something 

793
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:50,300
obviously that I I think Rings 
true to what you're talking 

794
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:52,500
about here. 
He's like, no, I'm like awesome 

795
00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:55,200
because she needs to know what 
it's like to lose. 

796
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,500
She needs to know. 
Like if she is, she's a 

797
00:42:57,508 --> 00:43:02,100
competitive kid and she's got a 
lot of potential and so she 

798
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:04,600
needs to know what it's like to 
feel. 

799
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,500
What it's like to lose and mma's
a perfect example of that 

800
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:08,900
because you're tapping out all 
the time. 

801
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:13,400
You're, you know, you constantly
have to tap out and I just love 

802
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,000
the character that that builds 
into people because when you 

803
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,800
have to tap out, You learn, you 
know, Jerry Seinfeld's got a 

804
00:43:20,808 --> 00:43:24,100
great great theory about this. 
When it comes to ski looks at 

805
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:26,600
skateboarders, he's driving by 
see these skateboarders. 

806
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,200
He was just to learn one. 
Kickflip on a skateboard, you're

807
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,900
falling, you're getting bloody 
knees. 

808
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,800
Your do, you know, you have to 
do it thousands of times before 

809
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,800
you get it right? 
And he looks at those keyboards.

810
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,600
Those skateboarders are going to
be okay in life. 

811
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,300
And I think we need a little bit
more of that and and you're 

812
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:44,900
right. 
I mean that's it, is it is, it 

813
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:49,900
is our wanting to Shield. 
Old people like my dad. 

814
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:52,300
He grew up in horror. 
He grew up in horror. 

815
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:55,100
He was a living like a man when 
he was 15 out of his house 

816
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:58,400
because of the horror, he grew 
up in, and as a result of that, 

817
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,100
I didn't see one drop of alcohol
in my house growing up. 

818
00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:04,600
Personally, I just didn't I'd go
over to a friend's house is like

819
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,200
oh, what's that? 
Like okay. 

820
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,100
I just I didn't know and it was 
because my dad wanted to meet to

821
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:14,100
Shield me from what he 
experienced, amazing sentiment 

822
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:17,500
natural sentiment. 
But sometimes we throw the baby 

823
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:19,600
out with the Water. 
And I'm glad you brought that up

824
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,900
here. 
This, this kind of awareness are

825
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:24,000
the things that we need to talk 
about. 

826
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:26,200
I want to bring it back to 
mental Wellness for a second 

827
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,800
because you have a fascinating 
perspective on these things in 

828
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,100
the military more. 
So in the RCMP, I mean we've 

829
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:36,100
seen as this new generation has 
come up, there are benefits. 

830
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:37,600
I don't want to just crap all 
over. 

831
00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:42,300
I mean, the idea of bringing 
mental Wellness to the Forefront

832
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:45,900
of things that are important. 
And and I mean, it son. 

833
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,700
It's unprecedented in North 
Erica. 

834
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:53,000
You know, the studying the 
knowledge that we have on this, 

835
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,500
the fact that it's in in your, 
in our faces, like, I think 

836
00:44:57,500 --> 00:45:00,500
about some of the entertainment 
that's out there that even just 

837
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:02,600
delves into mental wellness and 
mental health. 

838
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:06,200
Did you see that shift in that 
Evolution happening? 

839
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:09,100
Maybe in the military but more. 
So in the RCMP, did you see 

840
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:12,700
there being more of a focal 
point between the old stereotype

841
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:14,300
of. 
Okay, let's fill the bucket. 

842
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:17,400
Let's just, you know, bury it 
down, bury it down, let it fill 

843
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,100
up, whatever. 
And then that's when the heart 

844
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:20,900
attack happens. 
That's when the suicide happens.

845
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:23,000
That's when the violence 
happens. 

846
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,200
Whatever it is. 
Did you see that Evolution right

847
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,600
in front of you? 
Did you see it happening? 

848
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,800
Where you aware of this 
happening going where? 

849
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,900
Okay, yeah, people are emptying 
out their buckets more. 

850
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,800
Yeah, absolutely. 
What I would, I did witness is a

851
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:41,000
shift from something that was 
heavily stigmatized to 

852
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,900
something. 
That was not only acceptable, 

853
00:45:42,900 --> 00:45:45,900
but expected, right? 
And I would say that this 

854
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:48,000
probably happened 10 years in my
career. 

855
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:50,900
Are you say between 7 or 10 
years of my career? 

856
00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:58,900
So it would have been like, 2008
roughly 2008, 2009 is where we 

857
00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:04,500
really saw an uptick in in 
initiatives, not only from an 

858
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:07,200
organizational standpoint, but 
also a shift in the in the 

859
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:11,100
people themselves because 
everybody is seeking like who's 

860
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:13,600
doing what for mental health. 
But at the end of the day, what 

861
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,500
are you doing for mental health?
Like you as an individual, like 

862
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,200
be a leader in that, right? 
What do you do to? 

863
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,400
What do you do to support the 
people? 

864
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,400
You work with? 
What do you do to make somebody 

865
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,800
feel accepted when the person 
leaves and leaves a room? 

866
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,700
Are you, you know, out there, 
you know, bitching about them 

867
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:31,700
doing this and that, and 
whatever, and then, and then 

868
00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:34,200
they can feel that there's a 
variety of different things that

869
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,700
are that occurred over, that 
course. 

870
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:38,200
I'm not suggesting that all 
those practices are completely 

871
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,300
done. 
But what I will say, is that 

872
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:43,000
over the course of the last 10 
years, there's been an an 

873
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,600
incredible increase in 
generating awareness. 

874
00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:51,400
And and, and Andy stigmatisation
process with respect to mental 

875
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,200
health and there is been, you 
know, a lot of arguably 

876
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,200
sometimes, maybe overdiagnosis 
stuff some of the post-traumatic

877
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,000
stress disorders or even 
occupational, stress injuries. 

878
00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:04,000
Sometimes you don't have 
post-traumatic stress injuries. 

879
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,100
Your life is miserable. 
That's different, right? 

880
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:10,600
And I think, and at that point, 
that's a good news at times, 

881
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,300
right? 
I guess, certainly we need to 

882
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:15,600
understand. 
There is a, there is a inherent 

883
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,000
sacrifice that occurs for 
anybody. 

884
00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:21,300
Jumping in the sort of a the 
First Response World. 

885
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:25,500
However having had a 
life-changing experience, 

886
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:29,100
doesn't necessarily make you 
have PTSD. 

887
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:34,400
And now once you have that, what
we find difficult, is to help 

888
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,300
the person out of that. 
Because it's it, at one point, 

889
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:41,700
it becomes defining. 
And if it does not for 

890
00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:44,100
everybody, but for certain 
people, they can become 

891
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:46,700
defining. 
And if it become defining, then 

892
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:48,000
there are stuck in a vicious 
cycle. 

893
00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:51,600
Cycle that they are keeping the 
two ends of that Loop together, 

894
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:55,600
an account on account of, that 
is the evil, you know, and 

895
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,300
sometimes the evil you know is 
better than the evil, you don't 

896
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:00,200
know. 
So for you to take steps that 

897
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,100
are incredibly uncomfortable to 
get yourself out of a certain 

898
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:06,000
predicament sometimes is very, 
very difficult. 

899
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:08,600
It's actually can be more 
difficult than staying in their 

900
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,600
status quo and so I went on a 
tangent here, but yes, the 

901
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,300
answer is becomes comfort food. 
It's we learn to tolerate the 

902
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:19,200
things, we hate sure it can. 
Absolutely can. 

903
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,300
Yeah, because it explains, it 
explains some of our struggles. 

904
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:26,700
You know, I really like this 
example from Jordan Pederson, 

905
00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:30,000
speaking about a client that 
when his office in the client 

906
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,800
said, you know, mr. 
Peterson. 

907
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,600
I'm depressed and, and Jordan 
was telling the story on one of 

908
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,400
his one of his guests speaking, 
appearances. 

909
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,200
It basically says to the clients
start digging into this a little

910
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,100
bit. 
And, you know, says, you know, I

911
00:48:44,107 --> 00:48:47,800
lost my mom and I lost my job, 
and I lost this and that, and 

912
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:49,200
Jordan's kind of shaking his 
head. 

913
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,000
You know, he's an emotionally 
intelligent man and he's just 

914
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,600
kind of shook his head there and
he's like, I got a good in the 

915
00:48:54,607 --> 00:48:56,300
bad news. 
The good news is you're not 

916
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:57,900
depressed. 
The bad news is, your life is 

917
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:01,000
miserable. 
You know, and a but what in and 

918
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,100
what ended up happening is 
actually the person that was 

919
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:08,000
seeking the help was actually 
was actually comforted by that. 

920
00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:11,900
Okay so I'm not depressed. 
It's normal for me to feel this 

921
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:14,300
way. 
Yeah, there is Epson flows, on 

922
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:16,700
the emotional side. 
In life, things will hit you. 

923
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,000
Yes. 
And when they do, it's not going

924
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,100
to feel good and it will take 
time to overcome them but you 

925
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:26,500
can and when you do, you will be
stronger for it. 

926
00:49:26,900 --> 00:49:29,200
So it's not a matter of 
panicking when something. 

927
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:31,400
You. 
It's a matter of allowing it to 

928
00:49:31,408 --> 00:49:33,500
flow through you for the time 
that's required. 

929
00:49:33,500 --> 00:49:37,000
Provided that the time that's 
required is reasonable and give 

930
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,900
yourself a chance to get better 
before you start panicking about

931
00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:44,900
your State of Affairs, right? 
And pigeonholing you and letting

932
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:48,100
you sit like you say, I'm just 
going back to the how you 

933
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:50,500
started this. 
Don't let it Define. 

934
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:51,900
You don't let it become your 
identity. 

935
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:55,500
Don't let it become who you are.
And the awareness of somebody 

936
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:58,900
saying to me, like if I'm OK, if
I got a big piece of food on my 

937
00:49:58,900 --> 00:50:00,700
face, I want someone to tell me 
about it. 

938
00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:03,600
You know, I want to be aware of 
that, so I can do something 

939
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,600
about it. 
And I think that that is a 

940
00:50:05,607 --> 00:50:08,400
silver bullet as well as is 
helping each other, become aware

941
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,500
of these things, but us doing 
that self-discovery, that 

942
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:15,500
personal responsibility T, you 
know again back to the back to 

943
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:19,500
the beginning that problem 
solving we, but many times we 

944
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:23,200
just aren't we don't wake up. 
And and these moments it's 

945
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,100
conversations like this that 
that help people wake up, I hate

946
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:30,100
on slippery time gets. 
When we when it comes to these 

947
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:33,200
things there's a couple things I
want to get to PTSD. 

948
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,600
You were talking about PTSD. 
You saw really at the end of the

949
00:50:37,607 --> 00:50:42,600
day, you saw the idea of PTSD go
from you know a text. 

950
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,400
To becoming a buzzword to 
becoming a common phrase that 

951
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:51,700
the masses have heard PTSD in 
the news, a lot, these days 

952
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:54,600
here, I've watched you post on 
this, by the way, slab 

953
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,300
Commander, right SLA on 
Instagram. 

954
00:50:57,300 --> 00:50:59,300
That's the best way to find you 
is. 

955
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:05,400
Let's laughter SLA, VC M. 
MD R is that what it is SLA. 

956
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,700
VC cmdr cmdr, right? 
Yeah. 

957
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,800
Okay good. 
And that's what people want to 

958
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,800
find Seb, please. 
Please go check out his insta. 

959
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,500
It's it's amazing. 
It's inspiring, it's insightful 

960
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,300
and it will it will. 
It will shake things up and help

961
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:26,500
create some of these moments 
where we need to be aware. 

962
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:31,000
I just, I'm so inspired by you 
semi really, really, really am? 

963
00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:34,900
I appreciate you so much. 
I've watched some of your posts 

964
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:40,900
recently when it comes to What's
the best way to set the table 

965
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:42,600
for this? 
I think there are some people 

966
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,000
out there who are helping 
others, who might have some 

967
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,700
mental health duress, wave the 
White Flag when it doesn't need 

968
00:51:49,700 --> 00:51:51,800
to be waived. 
And and and there's some 

969
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,800
alarming things going on when it
comes to that am I am, I am i 

970
00:51:56,808 --> 00:52:00,300
setting that table, right? 
Yeah, I'm not sure which one of 

971
00:52:00,308 --> 00:52:03,000
my post I post a lot, I'm not 
sure which one of my boys were 

972
00:52:03,008 --> 00:52:05,800
referring to this book, The made
program or where I'm going with 

973
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,400
that. 
I mean, I look at I look at the 

974
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,400
eye. 
Dia of folks, with mental 

975
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,800
Wellness issues, that are being 
given that, you know, the the 

976
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,200
incentive almost or the, the, 
you know, the instructions, 

977
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,100
right? 
I'm not a big fan of the book 

978
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:25,700
that when the Final Exit book 
that teaches you, how to kill 

979
00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:29,400
yourself with showing up in the 
public library in the nineties, 

980
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,300
I that that is not. 
I'm not a fan of that and I'm 

981
00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:34,700
not against free speech, of 
course, that kind of a thing. 

982
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:38,500
But I also don't want to put 
poison in children's hands 

983
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:40,600
either. 
So that's kind of where I'm 

984
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,800
going with this and I know that 
you have very strong opinions 

985
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:48,500
when it comes to that as well. 
Yeah, where to start. 

986
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:56,100
What kind of alternative 
galaxies are we in that people 

987
00:52:56,500 --> 00:53:02,000
as Associated to an organization
whose sole purpose is to assist 

988
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,300
Veterans Post Service suggesting
to those same veterans, that it 

989
00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:08,900
should be taking their own lives
on account of not being able to 

990
00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:13,100
overcome their PTSD, which by 
the way they got, as a result of

991
00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:17,300
server then country overseas. 
Are you kidding me? 

992
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,700
And where is your emotional 
intelligence? 

993
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:24,800
And where is your common sense? 
And why are you in the position 

994
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,700
that you are currently in? 
It is absolutely asinine further

995
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:34,500
to that when this came around, 
was there a big uproar of the 

996
00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:37,500
government level, like, was all 
the bells and whistles whistles 

997
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:40,600
activated and we must 
investigate this to the, you 

998
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,800
know, to the deepest, the 
deepest of our abilities to make

999
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,500
sure. 
Because if one person Person was

1000
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:48,200
offered that how long has that 
person work there? 

1001
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:54,700
You know, many more have been. 
I just I don't know that I can 

1002
00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:59,200
find a word to say, how 
Despicable of an act, this can 

1003
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:04,000
be how truly despicable that is 
and you know what, wait till we 

1004
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,600
find out that some of these 
people actually did go through 

1005
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,500
with it because we do not know 
for the time being. 

1006
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:13,100
Or if somebody does it certainly
isn't me if might be known in 

1007
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:16,000
the course of the investigation,
whatever the case may be, But 

1008
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,100
men think of it think of this it
is absolutely asinine 

1009
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:24,300
Preposterous it is absolutely 
the most destructive thing that 

1010
00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:27,700
we can do for every living 
veteran that's ever sacrifice 

1011
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:32,000
for this country. 
So with that is now what do we 

1012
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,300
do with that? 
Well a we find who was told this

1013
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,800
we follow up with everybody who 
was told this we follow up with 

1014
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,600
everybody to ensure that nobody 
has kind of gone through with 

1015
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:48,000
this or what Of mindset, and 
they should be getting all the 

1016
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,000
treatment that they can buy the 
highest levels of 

1017
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,600
professionalism to overcome. 
The hurdles that are going to 

1018
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,300
come from receiving validation, 
that probably you should kill 

1019
00:54:57,300 --> 00:55:01,400
yourself. 
It is completely completely 

1020
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,600
insane. 
There is zero amount of of 

1021
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,100
critical analysis that will 
change our insane. 

1022
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:10,700
This is quite to the contrary. 
It just reinforces it more and 

1023
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:13,700
more. 
And so, I've had that Aaron's 

1024
00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:17,000
reach into me. 
Typically that were offered made

1025
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:21,700
that were offered made and the 
Damage that's caused could 

1026
00:55:22,300 --> 00:55:27,800
foreseeably be. 
Basically, you cannot, you may 

1027
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,700
not be able to change. 
It may be completely, you know, 

1028
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,700
irreversible is the word I was 
looking for. 

1029
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,600
Yeah, I was going through my 
head and French and English and 

1030
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,000
all the other languages I know 
and I'm just kidding. 

1031
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,200
But yeah like it, you know as 
serious as the topic is Is it is

1032
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:52,000
it how many of those veterans 
have received information that 

1033
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,200
you can turn around right? 
And I would say if they are 

1034
00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:00,600
listening, I've had people from 
the Veterans Affair. 

1035
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,600
Really thoughtful people reach 
out on certain things to say, 

1036
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,800
Hey, you know, heads up, you 
know, you have a friend here, 

1037
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,400
that's struggling, whatever it. 
And they're not divulging 

1038
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,000
Secrets, but they're simply 
saying they've read a post or 

1039
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,600
something, and I would be 
looking into women, whatever. 

1040
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,400
So there are a ton of caring 
people that work for Veterans 

1041
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,700
Affair, there is no question, 
are they burocratic lie, 

1042
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:27,300
completely stifled and just just
like any other government 

1043
00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:30,700
organization in this country 
like we literally can't do 

1044
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:34,200
anything. 
About red tape every 10 feet and

1045
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,600
we're basically, were, are due 
processes are kind of like, 

1046
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:40,700
turning and aircraft carrier 
around, instead of a speedboat, 

1047
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:43,100
and is just takes weeks to do 
it, right? 

1048
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:45,000
Or, or at least that's the 
story. 

1049
00:56:45,700 --> 00:56:49,000
So yeah. 
So aside from the fact that is 

1050
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,100
completely unacceptable. 
Now, actions to be taken, find 

1051
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:54,600
out exactly who was offered 
that, if anybody was taking, 

1052
00:56:54,600 --> 00:57:00,200
they the biggest piece that's 
missing in Canada and I would 

1053
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,900
say North America, Typically is 
accountability. 

1054
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,600
Yes, accountability. 
And when I say accountability 

1055
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,500
man your organization did that 
the accountability that comes 

1056
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:14,000
along with with proposing that 
our War veterans. 

1057
00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:16,900
Commit suicide. 
I don't know if you can overcome

1058
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:21,500
it as an organization I don't 
but definitely it should happen.

1059
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:24,000
So once once we figure it out, 
what's figure figure out the 

1060
00:57:24,008 --> 00:57:26,400
cases, we need to be digging and
digging and digging. 

1061
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,900
This is kind of like you know a 
lot of the a lot of the say 

1062
00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:31,400
sexual assault cases or 
whatever. 

1063
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,000
For you you on Earth one. 
And next thing you know, there's

1064
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,500
100. 
Yep. 

1065
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,300
And and they all need to help 
that they need so that they can 

1066
00:57:38,300 --> 00:57:41,400
overcome whatever the 
repercussions of that were. 

1067
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:46,100
And so it's a big big project 
but it has to be dug up. 

1068
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,600
Yes you can't you can't you can 
attempt to say that there was 

1069
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,000
only two and then sort of put 
the carpet on top of it and say 

1070
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,700
yeah everybody else is really 
quiet and unless somebody 

1071
00:57:56,700 --> 00:58:00,400
volunteers the information, 
sometimes the damage is so 

1072
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,000
critical. 
Or catastrophic that people 

1073
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,600
cannot even speak to it. 
Yeah, so it's not necessarily 

1074
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,600
that everybody's going to be 
volunteering to come out and 

1075
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,300
say, yeah, this happens. 
This happened to me. 

1076
00:58:11,300 --> 00:58:15,100
Also that's going to be your job
to be, to be basically 

1077
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,900
conducting audits on the cases 
and having the conversations 

1078
00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:22,500
with the right people to try to 
find as many as we can. 

1079
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,300
And then from there, there has 
to be an accountability that 

1080
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:31,200
sets a very, very strong message
to anybody else that might one 

1081
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,100
day. 
Consider doing something that's 

1082
00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:34,700
stupid. 
Yes. 

1083
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,300
Said, I cannot tell you how much
I appreciate you talking about 

1084
00:58:39,300 --> 00:58:42,000
that. 
This today, you're right. 

1085
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,600
There are some things like this.
Can't be a Band-Aid. 

1086
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,800
The only way to clean a wound is
to dig Around, clean it out, and

1087
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,300
he lit properly suture it 
properly and that's what needs 

1088
00:58:50,300 --> 00:58:54,200
to happen here. 
You know, when we heard about 

1089
00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:59,000
what you're talking about here, 
the idea of this of this program

1090
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,900
again the made program is not 
Everything has good intentions 

1091
00:59:02,900 --> 00:59:05,000
are many things. 
Most things have good intentions

1092
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,200
in how they're set up but they 
can be used improperly a 

1093
00:59:08,207 --> 00:59:12,100
chainsaw as an invaluable tool. 
It can save somebody months and 

1094
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:15,600
months and months and months of 
work considering technology that

1095
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,200
used to be available on the 
homestead. 

1096
00:59:17,300 --> 00:59:20,300
It literally can be a lifesaver,
but a chainsaw can also do a 

1097
00:59:20,308 --> 00:59:23,800
tremendous amount of damage if 
it's used improperly and it only

1098
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,300
takes one person using it 
improperly to really, really 

1099
00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:31,300
make a mark like this. 
I'm going to sew the idea of 

1100
00:59:31,700 --> 00:59:34,500
Folks, we had a, we had a 
gentleman who has been on a 

1101
00:59:34,500 --> 00:59:36,800
self-discovery is very similar 
to yourself actually. 

1102
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,000
He's got a, the intellectual 
mindset, the Tactical mindset 

1103
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,700
and, and he has suffered with 
depression for 45 years and has 

1104
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:48,300
gone through every single. 
I'm not going to say, as far as 

1105
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:51,300
he's concerned, every single 
therapy that there is available 

1106
00:59:52,100 --> 00:59:54,200
when it comes to depression and 
he still has it. 

1107
00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:57,500
Is he throwing in the towel? 
No, he's looking at. 

1108
00:59:57,500 --> 01:00:00,300
This is like, it's his life. 
This is how he can contribute to

1109
01:00:00,308 --> 01:00:03,100
society. 
He's also extremely well 

1110
01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:06,100
educated. 
He's extremely successful in our

1111
01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:10,600
culture and he's a beacon for 
other people who have this type 

1112
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,200
of almost like you said, 
irreversible depression. 

1113
01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:16,200
And I think about some of these 
people who are out there, where 

1114
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:21,200
if we just gave the proper 
support and Care rather than the

1115
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,400
idea of okay, just throw in the 
throw in the towel, I just 

1116
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,800
appreciate your perspective and 
you and I wanted to give you the

1117
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,900
ability to talk about this 
because I know it is something 

1118
01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:34,100
that is What's your heart? 
Now that being said, you know, 

1119
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:35,600
we're getting closer to the end 
here. 

1120
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,500
You woke up inspired this 
morning and I want to talk about

1121
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:41,600
that anytime someone's inspired.
I want to pay attention to that.

1122
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,200
Where are you at right now? 
Where are you going with your 

1123
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:48,100
with your business, with your 
movement, with all of these 

1124
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:50,200
things? 
What are some of the things that

1125
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,000
you're dealing with right now? 
So Mmm. 

1126
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:58,100
Yeah so I should sort of I think
there was a perfect storm that 

1127
01:00:58,100 --> 01:01:01,200
that triggered some some deep 
deep introspection. 

1128
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,900
Very early this morning to my 
partner's, dismay free coffee 

1129
01:01:04,900 --> 01:01:08,300
introspection. 
Pretty much much free coffee. 

1130
01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:12,500
Probably three hours, too early.
But you know, coming back from 

1131
01:01:12,500 --> 01:01:15,600
Haiti having had that at that, 
this was my second trip in a 

1132
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,200
year coming back from their 
having that perspective and then

1133
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,200
last night. 
So I'm taking a master's of 

1134
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,600
International Security Global 
counterterrorism right now and 

1135
01:01:25,700 --> 01:01:30,100
I'm doing a master's of of that.
And and we have a cohort that 

1136
01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:34,000
disgust disgust Things on a 
secret on the secure medium, and

1137
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,200
we're kind of chatting about, 
you know, sort of the the, the, 

1138
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,900
world's landscape so to speak. 
And there's, it's an 

1139
01:01:40,900 --> 01:01:42,700
international degree. 
So there's people from all over 

1140
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:46,000
the world and there's a lot of 
Scholars in that group and it is

1141
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:50,200
absolutely fascinating, you 
know, to see the perspectives 

1142
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:54,000
and and some of the political 
geopolitical landscape and 

1143
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,600
issues and things. 
And at the end of the day, it's 

1144
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:01,500
way too complex for most people 
to even fathom what's going on 

1145
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:04,300
in the world right now. 
So we again will try to and that

1146
01:02:04,300 --> 01:02:07,900
includes me by the way and we 
will try to, we will try to, you

1147
01:02:07,900 --> 01:02:10,000
know, simplify it so that we can
make sense of it. 

1148
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,100
But ultimately it what it did to
me. 

1149
01:02:13,100 --> 01:02:19,100
Last night I think is really, 
really exposing that I what you 

1150
01:02:19,100 --> 01:02:24,400
know that it basically made me 
consciously incompetent right in

1151
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,000
a realm. 
And so and so this morning I 

1152
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,200
woke up with an epiphany and I'm
like how many other things are 

1153
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,800
we actually Lee. 
A prison of like a mental and 

1154
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,500
emotional and intellectual 
prison of and how many other 

1155
01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:42,700
things that are made up or, or 
conjured up by us as humans or 

1156
01:02:42,700 --> 01:02:46,400
that we were told like anecdotal
stifling or anything like that 

1157
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,900
that we were, we a deer through 
on account of this is the way it

1158
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:52,800
is, or instead of challenging. 
Absolutely everything. 

1159
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,200
And I, when I say challenging, I
don't mean necessarily in a 

1160
01:02:55,207 --> 01:02:57,800
physical way. 
But how do I as a human being 

1161
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,000
start challenging? 
My own thought process because I

1162
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,700
can control. 
What everybody else is doing. 

1163
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,700
And this is essentially what 
people are pushing, conspiracy 

1164
01:03:04,700 --> 01:03:06,200
theory or doing. 
It's like, wow, I'm going to 

1165
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,500
tell you this, and this and this
were you guys doing about it. 

1166
01:03:08,500 --> 01:03:11,000
It's like, what are you doing 
about the information that you 

1167
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,700
have? 
So, I'm lying there in bed and 

1168
01:03:13,700 --> 01:03:15,800
I'm like, I want to know 
everything. 

1169
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,900
I'm watching this show on 
Netflix, it's called ancient 

1170
01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:21,700
apocalypse. 
Have you watched that? 

1171
01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:22,900
I haven't watched it yet? 
No. 

1172
01:03:22,900 --> 01:03:25,000
Oh my God. 
You like, you need to watch 

1173
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,400
that. 
I tell I meant that its title 

1174
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,300
loan. 
I meant it's completely insane. 

1175
01:03:29,300 --> 01:03:31,900
It's basically, it has to do 
with lost. 

1176
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:34,100
Shins and like the relationship 
between them. 

1177
01:03:34,100 --> 01:03:37,400
And there is there a bigger 
picture here in is there is 

1178
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:42,300
there, you know, was there 
Humanity 16,000 years earlier 

1179
01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:45,300
than what is known from, the 
article archaeological 

1180
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:48,400
standpoint, all the stuff and 
there's a ton of absolutely 

1181
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,200
compelling evidence and there's 
a ton of circumstantial evidence

1182
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:52,600
and it's great. 
It's a great show. 

1183
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,000
But again, exemplifies like do 
we know what we know or don't or

1184
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,000
do we just believe what we think
we know and so all those things 

1185
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,900
all magic in this morning. 
I I said I am so curious. 

1186
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:06,900
I just want to know everything 
like I do not I don't like 

1187
01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:09,000
mystery. 
I want to know everything. 

1188
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:10,800
How am I going to? 
I'm not going to know everything

1189
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:14,000
and then I'm like okay I don't 
know if you read my post about 

1190
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,300
going one step at a time and not
seeing the outcome so I'm like 

1191
01:04:16,300 --> 01:04:20,000
okay yeah yes yeah so I'm 
basically I applied my own 

1192
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,100
Theory to my own question this 
morning. 

1193
01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:25,400
I'm like okay the fact is I 
know. 

1194
01:04:25,900 --> 01:04:29,700
So take for example like take a 
bit of a segue here so you have 

1195
01:04:29,700 --> 01:04:34,500
somebody that has a PhD in And 
Affairs for example, like Asian.

1196
01:04:34,700 --> 01:04:36,700
Yes. 
You know, Affairs and and you 

1197
01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:43,900
have somebody that has say Wells
world's PhD, the person that has

1198
01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:49,500
the PHD in Asian Affairs is 
likely to know more much more 

1199
01:04:49,500 --> 01:04:52,900
than the person that has a PHD 
in World affair, because it's 

1200
01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:55,000
more of a either more of a 
generalist, right then. 

1201
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,600
So they didn't dive into it 
nearly as in death specific. 

1202
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:00,600
Yeah. 
Exactly. 

1203
01:05:00,700 --> 01:05:03,900
So now we are talking about to, 
Two levels of Scholars that are 

1204
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:06,700
very elevated. 
But this guy would say no you're

1205
01:05:06,700 --> 01:05:08,300
wrong, you're wrong, you're 
wrong. 

1206
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,200
So what do you actually know? 
Okay, so if we take this as a 

1207
01:05:11,207 --> 01:05:14,000
base premise, there is no way we
can get there. 

1208
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,100
There's no way as individual 
humans, we cannot it's 

1209
01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:19,000
impossible. 
Like we can't know everything 

1210
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,800
about everything at all. 
In fact, we can't have any level

1211
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,600
of expertise to speak of on 
anything. 

1212
01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:33,200
So my thing was, what if we took
ourselves from Just incompetent 

1213
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:38,700
to consciously incompetent. 
That is a massive, massive step 

1214
01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:43,200
forward, because at that point 
when the need arises for me to 

1215
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:48,200
know something, I know that I 
can go out and seek, right? 

1216
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,500
No. 
Whoever the expert of the person

1217
01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:53,800
is in a certain field of 
endeavor, and I can learn so 

1218
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:58,500
much more about this and now I 
made myself smarter closer to 

1219
01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:00,700
knowing things but we know that 
the end goal of knowing 

1220
01:06:00,700 --> 01:06:03,300
everything is impossible. 
Oh, okay, so it's more about 

1221
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:06,800
taking incremental steps towards
knowing more and more, and more.

1222
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:12,300
And then I just went into this 
sort of, you know, Loop of 

1223
01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:15,800
thinking about all the things 
that I was thinking in my head. 

1224
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:21,500
So some of them were just okay. 
So let's talk about 

1225
01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:26,000
overthinking, for example, as a 
concept, sure, and since I've 

1226
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,400
been a boy people have always 
been told over thinking over 

1227
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,300
thinking is bad, right? 
You overthink like Is it going 

1228
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:35,000
to get messed up? 
And you're not going to be and 

1229
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,000
so I'm sitting there and I go. 
Okay. 

1230
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:42,600
So all those sort of think tanks
that are that are doing a lot of

1231
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,300
thinking that are doing a lot of
critical thinking and everything

1232
01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:48,500
that come up with Solutions or 
hypothesis is or whatever. 

1233
01:06:48,500 --> 01:06:52,600
The case may be yeah. 
Are they not overthinking right?

1234
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:56,600
And so well, I mean some of them
just can't stop their brain from

1235
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,600
thinking I'm one of them. 
Hey, so I started thinking I'm 

1236
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:03,500
like okay, is it possible? 
That everything we know about 

1237
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:07,500
overthinking is wrong, is it 
possible that if somebody is 

1238
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:11,700
over thinking, but they have to 
ability ability to manage the 

1239
01:07:11,700 --> 01:07:14,000
information that comes out of it
on the other end. 

1240
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,900
It's no longer overthinking. 
It's now introspective thinking,

1241
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,700
and it's now critical thinking, 
and it's not critical analysis, 

1242
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,300
like what different 
differentiates it to. 

1243
01:07:22,300 --> 01:07:25,400
And I mean, perhaps one of your 
one of your listener is, is a, 

1244
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,600
you know, a master or a PhD in 
Psychology and they will be able

1245
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,100
to break this down for us. 
Sure. 

1246
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:34,100
But ultimately, at the end of 
the day, My thing is so somebody

1247
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:37,000
and if you see the way humans 
act in general, they will say 

1248
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,700
well I'm an over-thinker 
anyways. 

1249
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,000
Okay. 
So now so now they deflected all

1250
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,500
responsibility on a known 
condition that defines them. 

1251
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,300
And they take in the tools away 
from themselves to do anything 

1252
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,200
different. 
Because they believe that, 

1253
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,500
whatever it is, that there are 
doing is detrimental. 

1254
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:59,400
What kind of prison is that? 
What if dangerous one it is? 

1255
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,400
What if you stopped listening 
Lying to everybody saying that 

1256
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,300
overthinking is bad and you 
started looking at ways to 

1257
01:08:06,300 --> 01:08:09,900
maximize and optimize your 
potential as an over-thinker. 

1258
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,600
Could you make your life that 
much better? 

1259
01:08:13,900 --> 01:08:16,399
And I'm going to go ahead and 
propose that. 

1260
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:20,300
Yes you probably can. 
Wow, right. 

1261
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:25,300
And so how it starts with you 
realizing that you are in a 

1262
01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:28,000
matrix. 
You know, you are you are in a 

1263
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,100
prison and really don't look for
anybody. 

1264
01:08:31,100 --> 01:08:33,800
That's responsible For keeping 
you, there you are keeping 

1265
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,000
yourself there. 
So the type of awareness within 

1266
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,000
the overthinking, it's an 
awareness that lights up, so 

1267
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,300
it's not an autonomic, or it's 
not a, it's an awareness within 

1268
01:08:43,300 --> 01:08:46,399
the overthinking. 
You just, you just have 

1269
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:51,100
essentially in the context of 
critical thinking, you need to 

1270
01:08:51,100 --> 01:08:56,100
understand that everything, you 
know, needs to be challenged. 

1271
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:58,800
Everything, you know, needs to 
be challenged. 

1272
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,600
Is there a better way to do 
this? 

1273
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,500
Is there a better way? 
Way to be, is there a better way

1274
01:09:03,500 --> 01:09:06,500
for me to think? 
Do all the things that I think 

1275
01:09:06,500 --> 01:09:09,000
and does Everything? 
Is Everything linear? 

1276
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,200
You know, is everything linear 
is everything like one thing at 

1277
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,500
a time. 
Like could we not go circularly 

1278
01:09:14,500 --> 01:09:17,899
like, why are we and we're set 
in our ways but you're suing 

1279
01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:20,300
your seeing it. 
When you're doing multi multi 

1280
01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:22,800
cultural communication or 
anything like that, you're 

1281
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,300
starting to see that other 
people in other parts of the 

1282
01:09:25,300 --> 01:09:29,399
world are processing the world 
differently, right? 

1283
01:09:29,500 --> 01:09:33,800
And so it opens up the fact is 
The minds work like a, it works 

1284
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:38,700
like a parachute open and once 
but the problem is is we want to

1285
01:09:38,700 --> 01:09:42,000
stop everything from spinning 
because we want to be in 

1286
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,399
control. 
Yes, but you are in control, 

1287
01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:47,000
you're in control of 
challenging. 

1288
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,500
Your thoughts, you're in control
of challenging your emotions, 

1289
01:09:49,500 --> 01:09:51,800
you're in control, our 
overriding things that you've 

1290
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,100
been told for years on account 
of. 

1291
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,000
Maybe this isn't the case, you 
know, and take it. 

1292
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,300
Take care of an example, very 
concrete example. 

1293
01:09:59,300 --> 01:10:03,800
Okay, for miles in a, in a, in a
For minute for a mile was 

1294
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:07,700
impossible, until absolutely 
until a course, it was broken by

1295
01:10:07,700 --> 01:10:11,800
somebody that theoretically 
defies the laws of physiology of

1296
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,100
human physiology, right while, 
okay? 

1297
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:15,700
So that would be the case. 
That would be good. 

1298
01:10:15,700 --> 01:10:20,200
If it was the case except 30,000
people broke it since so what 

1299
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,000
happened there because nobody 
had before that, well they 

1300
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,100
started it was outside the box. 
The box was broken. 

1301
01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:28,300
The jail was it that the Bars 
were taken off in the person 

1302
01:10:28,300 --> 01:10:32,900
came out, right? 
And so, yes, So my realization 

1303
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:35,900
this morning was like you don't 
need to know everything, you 

1304
01:10:35,900 --> 01:10:39,100
don't need to be perfect which 
you need to bring yourself to is

1305
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:43,100
to realize that if you question 
everything and you enter aspect 

1306
01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:47,200
on everything you can pursue 
Excellence at, you know, you can

1307
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,300
pursue Excellence, intellectual 
excellence and emotional 

1308
01:10:50,300 --> 01:10:54,700
Excellence, get out of the boxes
that other people are painting 

1309
01:10:54,700 --> 01:10:57,400
around you so that they can make
sense of the world. 

1310
01:10:58,300 --> 01:11:02,200
That was my realization this 
morning and I mean it goes far 

1311
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,200
deeper than that but we don't 
want this podcast to be four 

1312
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:10,200
hours long. 
Hey, I do I cannot wait until he

1313
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,500
changed. 
It becomes what it's the 

1314
01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:15,500
potential. 
It's realizes its potential. 

1315
01:11:15,500 --> 01:11:19,700
I can't wait for that, because I
am the fan of the long for my, I

1316
01:11:19,700 --> 01:11:24,500
believe that this is where, you 
know, dialogues and and 

1317
01:11:24,500 --> 01:11:27,400
communicating begins. 
I begin to believe it begins at 

1318
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:28,900
this. 
Right here, we're not at that 

1319
01:11:28,900 --> 01:11:30,500
place yet. 
They like the our to the 

1320
01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:33,300
hour-and-a-half kind of a thing.
So we have to do this but that 

1321
01:11:33,300 --> 01:11:35,600
being said you have set the 
table to say, okay. 

1322
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,900
So you've got to come back and I
got to tell you on a personal 

1323
01:11:38,900 --> 01:11:41,100
level. 
I can't thank you enough. 

1324
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:43,600
I'm speaking on behalf of my 
wife and her team. 

1325
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:48,400
Now I can't thank you enough for
how much just you, even taking 

1326
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,200
the time to look at what it is 
that he changed his doing. 

1327
01:11:52,300 --> 01:11:56,300
We can't I can't tell you how 
much it means to us that you and

1328
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:59,700
who you are and all that you do.
Appreciate what we're doing, it 

1329
01:12:00,100 --> 01:12:02,700
knowing that people, like, you 
love what we're doing and 

1330
01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:06,600
support what we're doing at our 
cheering us on that gives us 

1331
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,400
that hope that you're talking 
about that perspective, that we 

1332
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,000
need. 
Because it ain't easy that, you 

1333
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,400
know, the, the one of candies 
mentors said the said to her, 

1334
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,000
you know what, it isn't 
low-hanging fruit, but the 

1335
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,900
orchards are full. 
And I've used that example 

1336
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before here. 
They said that to her as a means

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of Hope having you on here, 
cheering us on the idea of 

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wanting to change the world. 
To get release these but, you 

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know, get rid of these bars 
really sees prisons that, that 

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so many men are in right now and
you are a champion for that. 

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Thank you so much for supporting
what he changed, it does. 

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So yeah, thank you so much for 
having me on. 

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You guys are great. 
Well, we appreciate that. 

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So so much. 
I'm going to switch back to me 

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then you and I can do our 
goodbyes privately they go by so

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fast. 
I can't believe. 

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I literally I, you know, you 
know, full disclosure. 

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I woke up this morning with 
Anxiety, going on, man. 

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There's lots of stuff going on 
at that time of year. 

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All of these things. 
I was flat-out little bit 

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intimidated by Seb. 
Seb is a, you know, obviously 

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how impressive he is so exciting
to have a conversation where I 

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can actually hang with someone 
like him. 

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Very, very, very appreciative of
everything that he is doing. 

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Please please, feel free in the 
descriptions that we have here. 

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We're going to have all of the 
links to everything. 

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The best way to get ahold of 
him, the best ways is Instagram.

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That's the best way to get ahold
of seven. 

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And it's a, it's a rabbit hole 
from there. 

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Once again, please download the 
heat change the app. 

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If you haven't already, lots of 
good things coming, like, share 

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subscribe. 
He cast to everybody that you 

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know, that is another episode of
he cast the official podcast of 

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he changed it. 
My name is Mike Chisholm go 

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change. 
Something