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Welcome to. 
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As always. 

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My name is Mike Chism. 
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I'm excited to be here and talk 
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where they're at. 
And what's happening and we talk

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about the world of men's mental 
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whether it be mentally or 
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I get the easiest job in the 
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I get to host the podcast. 
And the cool thing about that is

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not just the conversations that 
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help me. 
I'm front row Center and I think

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this podcast helps more me more 
than anybody else. 

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Probably. 
But also the friendships that I 

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get to make and the guy that 
we're going to have right now, 

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finally returning guests. 
Starting to come on. 

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And this guy here easily, easily
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brother from another mother. 
We first met Marshall porteous. 

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I guess just under a year ago or
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the time. 
He was the captain of the 

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Kelowna Chiefs Junior Hockey 
Club during covid and we talked 

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about that. 
Not only did we talk about that.

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We talked about some of the 
mental health challenges that he

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has had growing up and through 
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That amazing melding that we had
that day, a beautiful friendship

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has blossomed and Marshall and I
are really close and just he's 

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one of my favorite people in the
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And I am so excited to welcome 
him back and he and I can just, 

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you know, shoot the shit about 
stuff and he can update the, he 

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changed it audience as to where 
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to where he's at. 
So without further Ado, Martha 

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Marshall porteous. 
Thank you so much for coming 

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back here, and it feels weird to
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conversation with cameras and 
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just, we just do this outside of
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Okay, man. 
Thank you so much for having me 

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back. 
It's a blessing and honor. 

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Obviously come on and and to be 
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deal to me. 
So I love it. 

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Well, your podcast, your 
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the the, the more viewed and 
shared and listen to programs 

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that we've had. 
And I love, I love your story 

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because There are so many 
goddamn 45 right now at the time

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of this broadcast and bright. 
I've got so many of my friends 

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right now that are literally 
going through some of the stuff 

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that you had to deal with, when 
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And part of the reason for that 
is we, as a culture, Now, look 

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for some of the signs of mental 
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earlier. 
Now, we know more about it than 

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we did before, but at the end of
the day, let's just bring 

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everybody up to speed. 
You were on here, because yeah, 

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you're the captain of the hockey
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stuff going on. 
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Some of the mental difficulties 
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now just to bring everybody back
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Well. 
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last podcast. 
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obsessive-compulsive disorder 
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my life. 
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around age 11. 
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tried. 
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found my sweet spot and that's 
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and that's slowly starting to 
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had that ever has been which is 
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And then on top of that, That I 
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been, I actually kind of had the
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diagnosed with in my second year
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having known that I was at a 
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I've done that, I have to cope 
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walk around with a machete and 
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find the solution to. 
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that I think, I, I think I'm 
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find that out. 
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that about themselves and and 
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That, and the other, and I think
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able to actually put a, put a 
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of, a lot of my of my issues 
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I appreciate the sum up of where
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I would highly recommend any of 
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back and listen to Marshalls 
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It was incredible conversation 
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back then. 
We're going to talk about moving

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forward going through because I 
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year that we haven't conversed 
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microphones on you've gone 
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I mean, you finished. 
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I love what you said about the 
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times that awareness we have a, 
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businesses that I'm involved in 
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people are living quite lives of
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And in the Version of it, that 
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is on the financial side of 
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that, but they don't talk about 
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inside, but they don't tell 
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suffering. 
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also be a parallel to that. 
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A feeling, they don't even 
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awareness that you talked about,
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example, which is a fairly 
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important, and how much weight 
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Just getting that awareness. 
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school. 
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know, you're just smart enough 
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decent grades. 
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like until University, when the 
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it's at, I didn't really That 
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know, not studying or not having
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think, that's when I knew there 
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but I didn't know for sure, and 
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psychologist who actually 
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Hey, listen, like there's 
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in hand and I think really, 
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ended up. 
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retracing her steps and saying I
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checked for this as well. 
I'll be right back on the 

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conversation of OCD. 
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good and sure enough. 
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She's like, yeah, I think you 
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And I think that took a lot of 
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I was like, you know, last few 
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me to like, really feel 
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because it doesn't come as 
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right? 
And like, it was always easy for

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me because I was getting, you 
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without having to, you know, 
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hockey, then to sure but that an
autopsy was probably the focal 

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point of everything, right. 
It really was because, you know,

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High School, everybody has it. 
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that like you got everybody's 
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So that wasn't necessarily a 
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life. 
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the sport itself. 
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sport itself is so being able to
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was easy, right? 
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started to really, you know, 
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like, oh wow, this is, this is 
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This is one of those moments 
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starting to struggle feel in the
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Touch my earlobes and then like 
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something out and at the same 
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level. 
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in Canada, Junior. 
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folks watch Junior over the NHL,
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exciting game and there's lots 
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yourself. 
You were the captain of the team

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University, you were playing 
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right? 
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the plates that are spinning at 
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everything going and then throw 
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We're going to talk about the 
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Maybe the I don't want to put 
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of blue balls that you probably 
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before you aged out, but at the 
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knowledge now, because you're 
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playing for University, and 
we'll get to that in a second. 

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Are you finding University 
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Now that you've had this, like, 
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have developed because you've 
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you See the parallel between OCD
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Like, can you see why the two 
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And that this is the first time 
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things are common. 
So for sure, we'll do the first 

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thing obviously. 
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finding those helping, like, I 
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that's been kind of the game 
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classroom. 
And my ability to save more 

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focus on her before. 
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I'm still struggling. 
Obviously, like, it's not, it 

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doesn't, it doesn't gotta do the
work cycle, duct tape, all the 

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holes, but I still have. 
I still have issues just staying

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focused, or being committed. 
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the morning, going to the 8 a.m.
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But no, it's definitely like 
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finish an assignment potentially
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then go to bed instead of just 
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I'd rather you just go right to 
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Read rather, just go hang out 
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not focus on school at all, 
which is, which is actually nice

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that I can I can I itemized 
those things and be able to, you

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know, put them in a bit of a 
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yeah. 
This is huge. 

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So that Definitely did help and 
I think that identification was 

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the first step in that process 
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that I'm really grateful for. 
And then yeah, we'll see Dean 

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ADHD there, definitely hand in 
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Like I didn't notice it before, 
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of the night. 
I'd be like, oh, well, I gotta 

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When I get stuck on cleaning, my
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like, holy shit. 
It's 1 a.m. 

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I got a test tomorrow morning. 
I got a, you know, and so that's

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that's the ADHD part where it's 
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of your obsessions. 
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procrastinating because of your 
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should kind of look at? 
Like, yeah. 

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Am I in my life a 
procrastinator? 

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Many of us, you know, fall fall 
to that. 

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Yeah, but am I procrastinating? 
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and things like that and I and, 
you know, so that's it. 

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That's a something to look for. 
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Well, she said, my actually the 
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her mouth because obviously, 
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could be misquoted, but she my 
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Geologist who told me like, you 
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people with obsessive-compulsive
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attention deficit, learning 
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Away by the statistic who I was 
like, you know, that's, that's a

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very interesting corner to look 
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like you're obsessing over the 
Roger obsessing over something 

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that doesn't necessarily take 
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importance, right? 
That's when you can kind of be 

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like K. 
It's probably an abscessed of 

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this. 
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procrastinating and that's part 
of the ADHD. 

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other things that don't 
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importance. 
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where I started to be able to be
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starting to make sense. 
This is starting to click a 

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little bit. 
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you know, focus on things and 
should I take my meds properly? 

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And on time, I was able to, I 
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shortcomings in a really 
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And I started to find like, you 
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to the date and hockey, but 
where my point started to go on 

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my first two seasons with the 
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I think I had all know my first 
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Yep. 
I only had a bow, I think seven 

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goals across the two seasons. 
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I believe I had 17 or 18 goals 
30 points total. 

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I believe in well my second year
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So you and that was almost to 
the day. 

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I started taking my Adderall for
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Wow, so you can really see that 
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like, after graduating from 
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ice, like, in my first game 
against SFU. 

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It's one of those things. 
I was like, Patrick, Patrick and

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I was like, I should probably 
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this is a whole new level of 
hawkish, probably that, and it 

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just benefits you in such a wide
range of of facets like you're 

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thinking about. 
Okay, well, school, I don't 

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really feel you don't really 
feel you super clicked in today 

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for school. 
I'd probably take it this 

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morning and right really get my 
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And then you go into a game 
against Simon Fraser and you're 

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like, this is one of the better 
teams. 

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In this league should probably 
Focus up. 

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I don't necessarily feel myself 
today. 

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It's probably and then next 
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you're back to what you should 
be. 

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What you're what the what the 
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Right? 
And that's, that's kind of, 

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that's kind of what I feel like 
that benefit of having known 

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that I had ADHD in the first 
place, gives you an ability to 

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be able to identify when and 
where you need to pick things up

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and what ways you can get help 
with. 

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That is like, most whether it's 
medication or talking to 

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somebody like those two, those 
two items have been My first 

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response is talking to somebody 
and Medicaid medication is like,

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I definitely not just a 
medication guide. 

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I appreciate everybody's ever 
spoke to me about. 

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If you like. 
Should I try Prozac? 

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Should I try Citalopram all 
those ssris that I've ever tried

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and I'm like, you know, it's 
worth talking to your doctor, 

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but I'm not a doctor and I 
always want to make that clear 

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like with the with the blog 
space that I posted with project

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Outlet. 
Like I made it very clear from 

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beginning like this is not a 
this is not like a professional 

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medical surgery talking about 
your experience and through your

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Parents. 
You're wanting people to kind of

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examine where they're at. 
Right? 

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And find the solution that is 
customized for them. 

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Totally. 
Yeah, I know. 

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And I know and that's the thing 
is like these medications. 

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They are dangerous and 
throughout taking the right way 

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at all. 
Especially is a very very dicta 

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stimulant and that's one of 
those things where it's you got 

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to be careful and I think 
talking to a doctor and finding 

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the right solution in a in a 
medical fashion with with a 

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somebody's, a few letters behind
their name. 

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Yeah, you know handling that for
you. 

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I think that's the way to do it.
I think going through somebody 

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who's been through experiences, 
to find out if it's for you is a

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good way to To start though, and
that's why I share these stories

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for sure. 
You you went through this 

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journey young your mind is still
like I mean, like, you know, you

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do you listen to a lot of the 
same shit. 

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I listen to, you know, for a 
fact you thought listen to Joe 

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Rogan and some of these other 
places your brains not done 

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developing till your 27 28 years
old, you know that you knew that

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early on. 
You went on that Journey when 

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you're in your teens because 
your mind was so malleable at 

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that point. 
Do you think it was easier for 

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you to make the decision to say?
Yeah, I want to go talk to this 

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person. 
Then other people are. 

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Was it was it even heart? 
Was it hard? 

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Then? 
I think it was helpful is the 

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fact that my parents were so 
supportive of finding a 

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solution. 
Right? 

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Like I can credit them enough 
for the fact that they were just

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so open to try and to see 
somebody I think of even like 

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early 2000s, which is when a lot
of this kind of started coming 

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down for me, even though I think
there's a pretty more 

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significant stigma than there is
now around. 

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Yeah, they're on seeing somebody
in talking to somebody and so, 

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Even the words like shrink still
got thrown around quite often, 

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right? 
And that's, I think that's a 

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pretty a pretty divisive. 
Well date of term for sure. 

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And now it's starting to become 
one of those terms where people 

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get triggered by an almost 
totally and it's like it. 

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I think my parents could have 
easily been in that, that realm 

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of it, like, for the most part 
of my family's blue-collar 

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family, so that can all come 
from that that direction to, or 

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it's like you're fine. 
It's just a story. 

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It's just a way of thinking, 
you, you can handle this on your

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own. 
Whatever. 

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And that wasn't, that wasn't the
case. 

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If they are, they really saw 
that? 

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I was that I was in trouble and 
they were like, we're going to 

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figure this out with you. 
Yeah, and that was and with me I

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was just I was just desperate to
find a solution. 

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I was well, I was willing to try
anything and so for me at the 

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time and that I would agree that
this would be the case. 

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Now to seeing somebody is 
something that I would have had 

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no problem doing just based on 
the amount of pain and distress 

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that I was in. 
And, and I think once you get to

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that level, I think you're 
you're bound to say, yes, to 

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just about anything. 
If they tell you, it's gonna 

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work. 
So, it's Having talking to you 

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about this right now because it 
is a total continuation and 

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evolution of our first 
conversation. 

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And and the thing that's hasn't 
evolved. 

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I've had stayed consistent. 
Is that message that you just 

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said, you know, even a year 
later having gone through a 

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bunch of shit that you've gone 
through, and we're not talking 

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about that right now. 
I want to ask you about aging 

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out of Junior and thank goodness
University, came along. 

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You've got some University 
hockey, keep it in your life, 

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for a few more years, for sure. 
Before you have to make any 

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decisions about that and I know 
how grateful you are. 

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It's Meet to hear how that 
message has stayed the same and 

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you've just cemented. 
Even for even more. 

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Hey, listen, go talk to somebody
go, you know, at be around 

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people who support this stuff. 
Have them, you had your family, 

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you know, you've got a pretty 
serious girlfriend, you know, 

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she understands everything that 
has that you're going through 

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and have gone through and 
potentially could go through, 

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you know, if things get dark for
a little while because that 

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happens to right, we all have 
our ups and our Downs, what 

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would you say for advice? 
For somebody who is in a 

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relationship with some of the, 
some of the mental challenges 

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that you have, you know, I was 
fortunate enough to like across 

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all of my relationships have 
been with somebody who's been 

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very understanding about the 
situations that I've been in. 

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It's been frustrating for every 
single one of them make no 

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mistake. 
Like it's obviously not 

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necessarily something. 
We're all naturally, you know, 

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yep, built to deal with. 
And I think in a lot of ways you

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can look at somebody who's sick 
and be like, you know what, 

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they're probably Only going to 
sort it out on their own or what

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they're going through is so 
irrational because I've never 

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experienced it either myself. 
And I think there's a lot of 

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that going around these days. 
Writes, we look at a lot of 

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other people's issues and say, 
oh, that's bullshit. 

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Right? 
Even though, you know, we have 

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no idea what their problems 
could be. 

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You know, you like, because I 
haven't felt it. 

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It's not real. 
Yeah, you'll get it in minority 

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communities, you look at it and,
you know, impoverished 

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communities in the trans 
community lgbtq community. 

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And as a whole, really, I think,
I think we all look at these 

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problems and say, you know what,
they're going through, can't be 

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that. 
Because I don't feel it. 

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Well, there's a reason, they 
don't feel and it's because, you

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know, your whatever you are, 
which is not them. 

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And that's right. 
And that's at the end of the 

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day. 
That's it. 

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And so I think, I think in a 
relationship, if you're sitting 

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there and having a conversation 
with somebody is a significant 

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other, you have to remember 
that. 

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They aren't going to understand 
what you say. 

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Yeah, you want to look for 
somebody though. 

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That is willing to try and 
that's the point that I'm trying

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to make a lot of people who say,
ah, listen, like my current 

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girlfriend. 
I've had several friends, say to

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me, my current girl from my 
current boyfriend is not getting

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it, right? 
Not. 

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It. 
I'm just like, you know what? 

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You've really got on. 
Make them explore, you really 

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got to explain like how your 
brain works, why the brain works

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the way it does and if you don't
know that yourself, I think 

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that's where you just start, 
right? 

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Yeah. 
That's the part that like a lot 

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of people fail to start with is 
like, okay. 

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Well, I'm just going to tell 
somebody I don't feel good. 

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But they're gonna be like, why 
don't you feel good? 

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You're like, I don't know and 
that's the end of the 

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conversation. 
Right? 

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So, why would you even have the 
conversation the first place? 

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You got to go to somebody who 
understands who helps you get 

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well-versed in your own issues. 
Yeah, and then you can Are 

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sharing your story which is, 
which is the direction I went 

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like, oh, there's no way that 
I'd be able to have these 

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conversations without the help 
that I got at the age of 11. 

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He has absolutely no way. 
Yeah. 

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And sudden and just just based 
on the ADHD and OCD link, like 

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that's not something that I 
would know, right? 

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So that itself is proof of the 
necessity to get get educated in

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something that you're not 
necessarily familiar with 

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especially, even if it's 
something that you deal with on 

451
00:20:19,700 --> 00:20:23,800
a regular basis. 
So, I appreciate how open you 

452
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,200
are about this and able to, So, 
freely articulate, this, it will

453
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,300
help people and it does help 
people who can't quite 

454
00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:32,800
articulate it yet. 
And it'll create some light bulb

455
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,700
moments for people. 
I know you're all about that. 

456
00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:37,600
I want to do that hockey thing 
though. 

457
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,600
We talked a little bit about 
aging out. 

458
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,600
Yeah, before in the last podcast
because you knew it was your 

459
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,600
last year. 
We thought you were going to be 

460
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,500
going into a year where there 
would be at least some hockey 

461
00:20:49,300 --> 00:20:53,300
your last year wasn't so much 
like that you aged out, you 

462
00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:55,700
know, normally when you're 
playing Junior, Hockey hundreds 

463
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,500
Fans at your home games, you're 
the captain of the team. 

464
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,000
What was your last year? 
Like, how did it feel? 

465
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,700
Because you didn't know you're 
going to be playing University 

466
00:21:05,700 --> 00:21:10,100
hockey out necessarily. 
You hoped maybe had some ideas 

467
00:21:10,100 --> 00:21:12,700
irons in the fire. 
But and the reality of what 

468
00:21:12,700 --> 00:21:15,500
turned out was so much better 
than you could even hoped for. 

469
00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:17,200
Yeah. 
With this new team being 

470
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,500
created. 
But how did it feel, you know, 

471
00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:24,300
kind of starting the season last
year and then kind of as it 

472
00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:27,700
progressed and you saw The 
writing on the wall for your 

473
00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:30,400
covid year last year of hockey 
before he aged out of Junior. 

474
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,700
How did that? 
How did that feel? 

475
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,900
Well, you know, it was it was 
really difficult because in a 

476
00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:38,200
lot of ways you want to Swan 
Song and you want to write the 

477
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,100
book that that you want to read 
write and that the end of the 

478
00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:45,100
day you want to be in control of
all these crazy variables. 

479
00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:48,000
You gotta understand though, 
like in that moment, like you're

480
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,200
really heartbroken like I for 
me, man, I cried, I'm not gonna 

481
00:21:51,208 --> 00:21:53,500
lie to you. 
I cried almost like a probably 

482
00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:56,800
once a month during that season,
just because the Like, you know,

483
00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,100
I'm coming to the rink every day
and half the team is like we're 

484
00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:02,200
all pretty much aware of the 
situation at hand. 

485
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,300
We know they're probably not 
going to start playing again. 

486
00:22:04,300 --> 00:22:05,800
We do these case, numbers going 
up. 

487
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,600
We see the death. 
I'm just going up and we know 

488
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,900
this is bigger than hockey. 
Yeah, that's the end of the day.

489
00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:12,000
We're just like, you know, it 
sucks. 

490
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,000
It sucks. 
But like this is the way the 

491
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,600
world is. 
Everybody else is losing a whole

492
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,000
lot more than just hockey right 
now. 

493
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,400
So we got to be able to stomach 
this and hopefully in the future

494
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,000
you to play more, but I'm not 
gonna lie. 

495
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,000
And then in the moment it. 
Pulled and I was sitting there I

496
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,500
was because I remember watching 
every other 20 year old who went

497
00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:32,100
through that program, you know, 
come to their their final game 

498
00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:33,800
of the season, get handed their 
Jersey. 

499
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,900
Yep, you know, get to shake 
hands, the team go out play 

500
00:22:36,900 --> 00:22:38,600
their last game, giveaway to the
crowd. 

501
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,800
Go home, have a few beers, and 
kind of celebrate the end of an 

502
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,300
era. 
Yeah, and that was nothing. 

503
00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:45,600
I got none of that. 
It was just it was so hard. 

504
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,300
I was trying to trying to lead a
team through a season that they 

505
00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:51,800
knew wasn't going to happen. 
How many games you play for five

506
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,900
or four games before regular 
season and lots of practices? 

507
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,900
Yeah, totally. 
Was all practices for most of 

508
00:22:56,908 --> 00:22:58,300
the most part which I am 
grateful for. 

509
00:22:58,300 --> 00:23:01,300
Because to be honest, now, I'm 
like, I would not be a where I'm

510
00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:03,300
at without those practices 
having right right. 

511
00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:06,300
So I before now, but in the 
moment it felt especially for 

512
00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:07,200
the 20 year olds. 
It's help. 

513
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,800
Pretty pretty in vain. 
Right? 

514
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,000
Like we were really why are we 
doing this? 

515
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,200
What the hell is the point of 
this? 

516
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,000
Right? 
Like we're like as much as it is

517
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,800
awesome to be able to team and 
to be pretending to be playing 

518
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,400
for a team. 
Really into the day. 

519
00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:20,000
We're really just practicing for
a team. 

520
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,700
And that's that's hard to do. 
But yeah, like it, if we were 

521
00:23:23,708 --> 00:23:26,000
sitting there in the dressing 
room, me and we had Two of the 

522
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:26,400
20 year. 
Olds. 

523
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,000
Jordan. 
Whitest. 

524
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,500
And Liam dragger. 
Yeah, and we were just like, 

525
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,500
like, man, this is hard like, 
because it's hard to lead boys 

526
00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:36,600
who who know there's no 
consequences of, you know, not 

527
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,100
necessarily put giving their all
in practice or not necessarily, 

528
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,800
you know, everything that you'd 
expect of a standard hockey 

529
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,800
season, they don't have to do 
and not fighting for it. 

530
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,000
There's really nothing to fight 
for. 

531
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,200
Really, the end of the day. 
It's just like your development 

532
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,800
on the ice. 
And if you have a future in the 

533
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,400
game, that's great. 
And if not being proud, being a 

534
00:23:53,408 --> 00:23:55,800
practice players. 
It's no fun for anyone at the A 

535
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,900
day. 
So that was hard and it was it 

536
00:23:57,900 --> 00:23:59,400
was heartbreaking for the 
longest time. 

537
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,800
And then once that final 
practice kind of ended, man, I 

538
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,300
was I was in shambles 
emotionally. 

539
00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:07,200
I that my identity my whole 
identity was hockey, you know, 

540
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,700
until today. 
I played hockey for 17 years and

541
00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:12,700
we talked a little bit about 
that our first conversation with

542
00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:15,600
the identity thing and what it's
going to take to move to that 

543
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,700
next chapter and 
self-exploration all that you 

544
00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:21,400
went through a little bit of 
that before. 

545
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,100
Before hockey decided to 
continue in the hockey, God 

546
00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:25,500
smiled on you, when it came to 
that. 

547
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:28,100
Yeah, but you did go through 
that a little bit already. 

548
00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:29,500
Right? 
Like, absolutely you made the 

549
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:31,400
decision that you were going to 
be a student without playing 

550
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,300
hockey. 
Or did you make that decision 

551
00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:35,900
throat that or was it much? 
Yeah, pretty much. 

552
00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:40,800
I came down to blows over. 
It was, like, you. 

553
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,400
Like I had, I had offers from 
from all over like different 

554
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,500
cities and different towns and 
different schools, different 

555
00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:48,600
countries. 
I had stuff in the US as well. 

556
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,700
That was kind of, you know, 
tugging on my shirt sleeve. 

557
00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:54,300
So I was, I was thinking, like, 
what do I do here? 

558
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,100
Like, I've already logged. 
You know 60 credits at ubco. 

559
00:24:58,100 --> 00:25:00,400
Yep, Marty halfway done on a 
poli-sci degree there. 

560
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,500
Yep. 
Do I sacrifice the majority of 

561
00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:04,800
those credits? 
See how many of the next 

562
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,200
universities going to let me 
transfer over and then start a 

563
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,200
new there, right? 
Do I want to do that or do I 

564
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,100
want to continue a UV C 0? 
Or I've got my friends already 

565
00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:15,700
that I've established in the 
city that I've lived in for four

566
00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:18,800
years, you know, with a 
girlfriend that who lives here. 

567
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,000
Like there's a lot of different 
things that are up in the air. 

568
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,200
A like you're, you're trying to 
think like so big decisions for 

569
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,800
a 20 year old. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

570
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,900
And that's the thing is it's 
there's a money factor to that. 

571
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:32,700
There's a lot of different 
issues at hand and then and at 

572
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:36,000
the end of the day, I just kind 
of sat there in my room and 

573
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,700
about I think was met and I was 
just in the middle of an 

574
00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:40,800
internship that I was doing 
Calgary for poli-sci. 

575
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,800
Kind of feeling my professional 
career start to grow and I like 

576
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,600
maybe this is it this is the 
path and like I think everybody 

577
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,600
ends up here, you know, I've 
heard a lot of n. 

578
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,000
Each other's tell me and my 
father who also played pretty 

579
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,000
high-level jr. 
He used to say, you know, we all

580
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,800
end up in really, that's the end
game for it. 

581
00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:57,600
We all end up in be early. 
I like that. 

582
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,600
So, you know, that was kind of 
one of those comforting things 

583
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,900
as like, you know, that's so 
true. 

584
00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:06,200
So true, so true. 
So I kind of sat there. 

585
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,900
I was like, you know what? 
Yeah, I'm going to be. 

586
00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:11,100
Okay, I'm gonna be okay and 
then, you know a couple weeks 

587
00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:13,400
went by was still hurting me. 
And I just remember, talking to 

588
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,100
my girlfriend, like you 
understand like all of the 

589
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:20,000
validation that I got until I 
had like a solid relationship 

590
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,500
like between my first year, when
I was still in a relationship 

591
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:25,800
and then my single years, all of
that. 

592
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:31,000
Station came from hockey. 
Yeah, like people cheering your 

593
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,800
name, having? 
I remember, like, with the chief

594
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,800
side, you know, people buying my
jersey. 

595
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,200
Yeah, like, that's a big deal. 
That would 17 18. 19 year-old 

596
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:38,800
right? 
Like that. 

597
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,800
The ego, that, that builds for 
you, and the confidence that you

598
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,300
get from that is positive and 
negative. 

599
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:44,600
Right? 
Both, absolutely. 

600
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,100
Like, there's, there's 
definitely things that you that 

601
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:50,200
you grow, that aren't 
necessarily good from things 

602
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,700
like that, that can that can 
definitely manifest in her in a 

603
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:54,600
negative way. 
If you don't take care of it the

604
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,900
right way, but like Like also, 
that's the confidence of being 

605
00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:00,700
able to like, move forward in 
your life and shake a hand and 

606
00:27:00,700 --> 00:27:03,200
be like, oh, what do you do on? 
You know, I'm a student for me. 

607
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,300
I could be like, oh, what do you
do? 

608
00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:06,000
I'm a student. 
I also, you know, I play on the 

609
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,600
junior team or whatever. 
Yeah, and that's, that's cool as

610
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,900
another feather in your cap to 
be able to say and like, that's 

611
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:13,000
just for me or like, I just 
don't want to be generic. 

612
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,300
I want to be able to do 
something else. 

613
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:16,500
And again, like I said to my 
girlfriend, like not to say 

614
00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:18,200
anybody who's in school, is 
generic. 

615
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,600
No, but for me, it's like this 
is my identity. 

616
00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:23,000
And so, to have that taken away 
from me, makes me feel less than

617
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,700
I was before. 
Yeah, not like equal or level. 

618
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,900
And so that's why I said to her 
and she even said, to me, like 

619
00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:30,400
she played high-level soccer all
live in this is her comforting 

620
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,000
moment for me was like, you 
know, like I lost that without 

621
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,100
choice to like she blew her ACL 
MCL and torment in hell. 

622
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:40,600
She didn't one of those. 
Yeah, and she, she had surgery. 

623
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,400
The whole nine and told me, 
she's like, I had things taken 

624
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,800
from me too. 
And I promise you, it's okay to 

625
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,000
re-identify with something else 
and it's going to, you're going 

626
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:48,700
to feel. 
Okay. 

627
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:51,400
Well, you can say that to people
you, you can see that people now

628
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,100
to you've had something taken 
away fabulou and even though it 

629
00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:57,000
was given back, you know. 
Beautifully for you didn't know 

630
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:57,600
that. 
No. 

631
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,500
Yeah. 
And and the idea of it gets 

632
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:01,500
better. 
Yeah. 

633
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,800
In and you can apply that to all
sorts of different life 

634
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,200
situations, but the idea that it
does get better, you're not the 

635
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,700
only one that this has happened 
to and there's comfort in that. 

636
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:16,500
Yeah, because many times when we
keep that shit inside, we think 

637
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:19,400
we're the only one that's part 
of keeping it inside as is, we 

638
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,200
don't realize that there are 
others who have gone through 

639
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,700
identical situations and have 
come through smile. 

640
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:26,800
On the other side. 
Lee. 

641
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,200
Well, that was my that was my 
moment. 

642
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,600
Like I don't know if you've ever
watched the movie goon or the 

643
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,300
second one even go like that. 
Yeah. 

644
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:33,100
Oh, yeah. 
Absolutely. 

645
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,500
The second one, Doug Glatt 
sitting there and he's got a bad

646
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:37,900
shoulder injuries had hockey 
stripped from him and he's a, 

647
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:41,500
you know, he's working in 
finance and he's all coming home

648
00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:44,200
to his wife and said what he's 
like, oh, so many files and 

649
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,000
taxes and it was so much fun. 
He's like crying through it and 

650
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,400
then he gets a call from the 
team and he's hating he's, you 

651
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,500
know, he kind of rehabs and 
starts working on his left hook 

652
00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:55,200
instead of his, right? 
And that was kind of my that was

653
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,800
kind of my mom. 
When I was going out and I was 

654
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,100
gonna go get my covid shot. 
It was my second one. 

655
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:01,600
I was getting, I was like, you 
know, time to be a functioning 

656
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,700
member of society. 
John. 

657
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:06,200
And I'm still working at at Co 
has as an intern this summer and

658
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,000
I'm going to go pick up Chinese 
food to eat and it was it was 

659
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,400
the whole time and I get a call 
in my car and I answer it. 

660
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,500
And I've been getting these 
telemarketers all year. 

661
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:17,800
It just, I don't know how my 
man. 

662
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,500
My number got out, but goddamn, 
we're all going through its 

663
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:22,100
brutal. 
It's brutal, but I end up 

664
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:24,700
getting this call and I'm like, 
I'm like, you know what? 

665
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:26,500
I see. 
It's a, I see it's at 50 number 

666
00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:29,200
and I'm like, hmm, so I answer 
it but I go. 

667
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:31,900
I mean, I know it's a cologne a 
number but I'm sure doesn't make

668
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:34,600
any sense. 
So I answer and I go is this a 

669
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,100
telemarketer? 
Because I really don't have it 

670
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:38,500
in me today for it. 
And they goes, no, no, no, no, 

671
00:29:38,508 --> 00:29:40,100
don't hang up and I'm like, 
okay. 

672
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:42,200
Well I do, who is this? 
And he goes, this is Kevin bath,

673
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,000
her still UBC, Okanagan Lakers. 
And I'm like, oh shit. 

674
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,600
Yeah. 
Who's that? 

675
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:50,100
Yeah, where the Lakers? 
Yeah, it is. 

676
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,800
So then he goes, he goes, you 
looking to play hockey next year

677
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,400
and I kind of Stop my car like a
pullover. 

678
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,000
Oh my God. 
Yes, when where he's like, well,

679
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,900
you see, honesty of a joint 
program this Summer that we 

680
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:05,600
started. 
So, two universities in the same

681
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,200
geographic location. 
Exactly. 

682
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,800
And then, as long as you're 
enrolled in one of them, you can

683
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,300
play for us and you're playing 
the BCI. 

684
00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:13,800
A child against SF U VI you and 
you pick and I all of which have

685
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,300
established hockey programs have
been around for a long time in a

686
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:19,900
high level while. 
Yeah, I'm just like, that was my

687
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:21,500
dream. 
I was thinking about going to 

688
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:22,800
Victoria. 
The only problem was, is the 

689
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,600
true credit transfer. 
Yep, and I was like, well, 

690
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,300
Absolutely. 
I sat there in my car and I 

691
00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:29,800
cried. 
Hahaha. 

692
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,900
I was like, goddamn. 
I get to delay this, I don't 

693
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:36,300
have to worry about this for 
another three years. 

694
00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:37,200
Thank God. 
Later. 

695
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,800
Three more. 
Yeah, I can play it like and 

696
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,800
play for five more years if I 
want to holies. 

697
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,100
Yes, hopefully I might go for a 
master's. 

698
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:48,800
Yeah, my toe into poli-sci. 
Not Masters and see how that 

699
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,900
goes. 
Go to grad school here, but 

700
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,600
that's that's that's the plan is
just to keep playing and and to 

701
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:55,700
do it alongside what I've 
already. 

702
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,300
Eddie been doing which is trying
to get an education and trying 

703
00:30:58,300 --> 00:31:00,900
to start my professional career,
but I'm just not ready for it 

704
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:02,200
yet. 
And that's and that's just 

705
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,600
something that I have that have 
kind of come to terms with his, 

706
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,200
but you were prepared to be 
ready for it. 

707
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,100
Yeah, that's like you had, you 
had gotten to that place where? 

708
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:10,200
Yeah. 
Yeah, it sucked. 

709
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,600
But we're kind of starting to 
Wade through the work of what it

710
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,900
took to salute, Lee to see 
what's life on the other side 

711
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:18,100
and then the universe kind of 
smile at you and said, okay, 

712
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:20,600
that's nice. 
But we're gonna just when you 

713
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:21,700
think you're out. 
They pull you back. 

714
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:22,800
You can watch another thing. 
Yeah. 

715
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,200
I know. 
It's just so jarring to me 

716
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,600
because I just realized for a 
moment. 

717
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,700
I'm like, This is what we expect
of ourselves. 

718
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:32,600
This is something that like we 
as men go through, we grow up 

719
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,200
with a sport, we grew up with, 
with a Pastime and by the time 

720
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,100
we turn 20 people are like, hey,
what are you doing now? 

721
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,200
Yeah, and I think in a lot of 
ways that's where a lot of 

722
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,600
anxiety comes from is like that 
pressure to get in the real 

723
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:46,900
world and it definitely comes on
both sides. 

724
00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:49,000
Like it comes, it comes for 
women to I just find that the 

725
00:31:49,008 --> 00:31:52,900
pressure of athleticism for men 
is extremely high, and I think 

726
00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:55,100
that like, especially in 
professional sports, the 

727
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:57,200
pressure to get There. 
We put we put those men on a 

728
00:31:57,208 --> 00:32:00,400
pedestal, we really do and for 
good reason, obviously. 

729
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,600
That's it's such an incredible 
thing to watch to put to watch 

730
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,900
professional sport and a 
professional athlete compete. 

731
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,800
But like to want to be at that 
level your whole life and then 

732
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,100
by 20 finally be told K. 
This is the line. 

733
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,800
Yeah, you kind of got to hang 
them up now and that's that was 

734
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,600
brutal for all my mental health 
and I'm that's kind of a new. 

735
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,700
I have a new respect for men who
can, who can do that and move 

736
00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:22,700
forward and, you know, hand it 
over. 

737
00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:24,300
So. 
Well, I have a respect for 

738
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:26,400
people who can talk about it 
because that You bring it up, 

739
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,100
that women go through this, to, 
of course they do. 

740
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:32,000
But where does this stigma about
men leaving things inside and 

741
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,800
not talking about it? 
Come from, it comes from the 

742
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,900
fact that that's what we do. 
And one of the things that I 

743
00:32:35,908 --> 00:32:39,600
love about you is just how 
because in in, in the Wild on 

744
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,300
normally this guy to, I'm pretty
vulnerable. 

745
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:43,700
Most of the time I can talk 
about as long as it's kind of a 

746
00:32:43,708 --> 00:32:45,800
safe place and nobody's trying 
to be predatory. 

747
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,900
I can open up and talk about 
this stuff. 

748
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:51,800
But part of that is just knowing
why he changed. 

749
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,500
It exists is because a lot of 
guys can't do that you at a 

750
00:32:54,508 --> 00:32:56,900
remarkably young age. 
I've learned how to do that. 

751
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:59,400
And while you've watched your 
peers around, you kind of 

752
00:32:59,408 --> 00:33:01,700
suffering, going through what 
you just. 

753
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:06,200
So eloquently, put the big thing
is talking about it and and you 

754
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,100
did talk about it. 
You know, we talked about it 

755
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:10,200
last year before it actually 
even happened and suddenly 

756
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:12,400
you're realizing, okay. 
It's not over. 

757
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,900
I was ready for it to be over. 
Kind of didn't want it to be but

758
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,400
if that were the case, you were 
going to move on no problem. 

759
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,700
And then suddenly you get the 
call that. 

760
00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:22,400
It's not over yet. 
Let's talk about Junior be to 

761
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,200
University. 
You know, you you play In the 

762
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,700
you know, the minor leagues 
system, which is very similar 

763
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:34,300
all across the country maybe 
even North America very very 

764
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:37,600
similar and then suddenly you 
got moved into a university 

765
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:44,100
style of playing hockey and and 
set up and all of that system. 

766
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,500
What's the difference is this a 
higher level of play? 

767
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:50,100
It's at a lower level of play. 
Is it very similar? 

768
00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:52,400
How would you compare the two so
far? 

769
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:55,300
I think, oh, it's definitely 
higher like it's definitely the 

770
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:57,000
best. 
Hockey I've ever played my 

771
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,200
really, and it's like by a mile 
and I'll find like, it's 

772
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,300
definitely like top-end, Junior 
B players. 

773
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:05,500
Like, they definitely like are 
very selective with who they 

774
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:09,600
take from Junior be if at all 
some teams, okay, and then the 

775
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,000
rest of the teams, usually made 
up of Junior, a sometimes even 

776
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,699
higher, and then you're getting 
stretched. 

777
00:34:13,699 --> 00:34:16,600
Oh, yeah, absolutely. 
Like it's just really remarkable

778
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,500
to be able to play with some 
guys who enough not necessarily 

779
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:21,600
would have ever been able to 
share the ice with it past this 

780
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,500
point. 
So like there's a lot of players

781
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:25,600
out on this team that are just 
so talented. 

782
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,600
Moving the puck. 
So well that are feeding me in 

783
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,600
ways that I've never really been
ready for and that's kind of 

784
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,199
where a lot of those that first 
game. 

785
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:34,199
Like all those clicks that I 
hadn't against SFU. 

786
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,400
That's where a little came from,
was just like playing with some 

787
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,800
of these guys. 
And I mean, the speed itself is 

788
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,100
crazy, but there's also in 
Canada, there's no age limit to 

789
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:44,199
when you begin playing 
University hockey. 

790
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,800
So long as you only play five 
years you can start whenever. 

791
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,199
Okay. 
So what do you got on the team 

792
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:49,900
now? 
You play with 17 year old so 

793
00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:55,400
there's one, there's one or two 
skaters who are 2001 aged, okay.

794
00:34:55,699 --> 00:35:00,100
Then the remainder are 2000 and 
plus so there's as old as 1991. 

795
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:01,700
Born. 
Oh, wow. 

796
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,000
Yeah, so we have your plan was 
some men out. 

797
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000
Oh, yeah. 
So that was a bit of a culture 

798
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:06,700
shock. 
For sure. 

799
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:09,000
Was going out there getting the 
puck in the corner and having to

800
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,100
fight off a guy who's, you know,
getting ready to start his. 

801
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,100
Yeah, his life, right? 
Like, I'm, I'm sitting there. 

802
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:17,200
I'm fighting a man off the 
pockets. 

803
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,700
It's definitely a change of 
pace. 

804
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:22,700
So it's, it's, it's, it's very, 
very exciting though. 

805
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:25,600
It definitely makes you excited 
about the fact. 

806
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,600
You play at a new level? 
Like it really is like rewarding

807
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,700
in the fact that like a goal at 
this level feels worth. 

808
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:34,100
Feels like it's worth more. 
We're like a win at this level. 

809
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:36,800
Feels like it's worth more and 
and you definitely pay for it. 

810
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,700
Physically. 
It's definitely a difficult job 

811
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:42,500
to have, but it's it's awesome. 
And I'm so glad to be able to 

812
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:45,000
say that I'm doing it. 
So and that's, that's really 

813
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,300
cool. 
How many games you play so far? 

814
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,700
We've only played Four 
preseason. 

815
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:54,200
How you doing? 
We went to 0 and we're 2002 in 

816
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,900
102 and to actually be Leave. 
It was okay because we had to be

817
00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:58,800
a first two. 
We will. 

818
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,600
First one we took to a shootout,
we lost and the second to be 

819
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,900
lost in regulation. 
And in the last one we took to 

820
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:06,900
shoot out again, which was at 
home here and we lost that one. 

821
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,600
So you come close a couple 
times. 

822
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,900
Now they're to is a pretty bad 
weekend for us. 

823
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:14,600
I'm not going home not gonna 
live up at, but it's definitely.

824
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,800
I think that's the last part of 
it is like, this is a young team

825
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,400
of new guys who haven't played 
hockey. 

826
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,200
Well, it's time such an 
expansion team. 

827
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,500
Yeah, really it is, right. 
So we're kind of just kind of 

828
00:36:22,508 --> 00:36:25,600
getting our footing underneath 
and figuring out like, well, 

829
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,800
Jeez, this is a whole new level 
for all of us. 

830
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,800
So kind of starting to realize. 
You can't take any nights off 

831
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,600
but it's definitely, it's 
definitely exciting. 

832
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,400
That's a pretty good record to 
have the being of the year just 

833
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,400
through preseason. 
Our first regular season games 

834
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,700
for next weekend against VI you 
and you Vic. 

835
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,100
Yep, and I do try to be there on
the one on the 30th of that 

836
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:44,400
trying to be there and watch it,
please, please yeah, that'll be 

837
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,800
exciting to be gives us a few 
again, which is been proven to 

838
00:36:46,808 --> 00:36:48,900
be our best game. 
So yeah. 

839
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:51,000
All that's exciting. 
I where are you at in the line 

840
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,300
up for you idea. 
Is there are the lines still 

841
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:55,200
being juggled around, you know, 
who first line Second, Line, 

842
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,600
third line. 
Is yeah, they've been Dave and 

843
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,700
juggled around for sure. 
And I don't know that they're 

844
00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:01,200
really looking to put numbers on
too much. 

845
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,400
Like I have started most of the 
times that I've played and I 

846
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,600
played on the top two lines, 
pretty much sense of being a 

847
00:37:06,607 --> 00:37:10,300
year, but I think like, with 
this team with like, the amount 

848
00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:13,700
of spread Talent we can have its
we could just have one a 1, b, 1

849
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:16,200
b 1 c 1 D. 
Real aliens got depth. 

850
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,700
We got depth for sure. 
And I think that's that's part 

851
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:20,300
of having a winning roster. 
Right? 

852
00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:22,200
So that's, that's exciting. 
For sure. 

853
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,800
Is to see like we got a bunch of
different guys from a bunch of 

854
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,700
different leagues that are 
Pretty solidly. 

855
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:31,600
So it's exciting to see. 
And I, when you told me the news

856
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,500
and I mean, this is this is 
where when friendship comes in 

857
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:37,500
and you can, you know, celebrate
something with your friends. 

858
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:40,600
When you told me the news about 
how this team was created and 

859
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,900
you were going to be on and all 
that. 

860
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:44,900
I was just so, so fucking happy 
for you, man. 

861
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,400
I was excited. 
I've menu the second guy attacks

862
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,600
it about it. 
Like I told my parents and I 

863
00:37:49,607 --> 00:37:52,300
texted drapes, I texted you and 
that was it. 

864
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:56,200
It's so good. 
I'm so so pleased for For you, 

865
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,100
even though I was, you know, 
walking along with you as you 

866
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:02,000
were moving in that other 
direction and saying, okay, 

867
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,900
accepting things and whatnot. 
Now, you know, completely 

868
00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:08,700
different chain of events 
happened and I'm really, really 

869
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:12,900
happy for you. 
How is the work or how is the 

870
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:16,800
yeah, the work playing life 
balance relationship, all of 

871
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,600
that stuff still with covid 
happening. 

872
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,400
Are you dealing with it better? 
Are there any tricks of the 

873
00:38:22,408 --> 00:38:24,200
trade that you've learned or 
anything that you can kind of 

874
00:38:24,207 --> 00:38:25,300
advice that you can give to 
people? 

875
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:27,600
There. 
I think a lot of it is just 

876
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,200
being able to just keep your 
hands and your head busy. 

877
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:33,000
I think that's definitely 
something that I've don't get 

878
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:33,700
bored. 
Yeah. 

879
00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:35,700
Found that like the board. 
Miss is in the board. 

880
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:37,200
I mean, just boredom. 
I guess that's what I'm going 

881
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,800
for is is what really brings on 
a lot of the anxiety. 

882
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,400
I find, and at least myself and 
many of my peers who talked to 

883
00:38:43,408 --> 00:38:45,300
me about it. 
They say, like listen, this is 

884
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,400
being stagnant in my room, 
waiting for something to happen 

885
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,900
to me is is not the way to go. 
It's not a healthy way to live 

886
00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:55,200
and I think like filling your 
plate to a to a healthy and safe

887
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,800
point. 
Point is what you should be 

888
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,500
doing. 
Yeah, I found that like having 

889
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:03,300
having a relationship as serious
as mine playing hockey the 

890
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:06,000
level, it's a serious. 
Is this going to a university? 

891
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,700
You know, I'm working too, you 
know, that's those are all keys 

892
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:13,100
and being able to say, like I 
never had time to sit at home 

893
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:15,700
and start thinking about why I'm
feeling the way that I am. 

894
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:19,700
I can just, you know, keep 
myself in a busy schedule, take 

895
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:22,100
do the right things, take my 
medication on time, talking to 

896
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:25,800
my psychologist and you know, so
you're doing the work to Sure, 

897
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,500
you stay in Balance. 
You're talking to the right 

898
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:30,500
people, you know, in some cases 
it's medication like it is with 

899
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:33,800
your. 
Now that being said, you also 

900
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,100
just went through a list of some
pretty big spinning plates. 

901
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:41,600
Do you ever get overwhelmed? 
Absolutely, and I think anybody 

902
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,400
would even just with University.
I think that self is probably 

903
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,400
one of the biggest things I've 
ever had to deal with my life. 

904
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,500
I can imagine adding University 
to the plate of things that I do

905
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:53,100
yet. 
You have that you have this as a

906
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:54,900
plate of things that I do plus a
team. 

907
00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:57,300
Plus Versity? 
Yeah, it's definitely difficult 

908
00:39:57,300 --> 00:39:59,200
process. 
Like, I have the like those 

909
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,000
three other things like hockey 
hockey, hockey would jobs, and 

910
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,100
like, having a relationship or 
three things that you want to 

911
00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:07,300
do. 
Typically, like my job, like, I 

912
00:40:07,308 --> 00:40:09,500
love to do it. 
And that's, that's, and that's 

913
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:12,000
good. 
So, like those three things are 

914
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,900
easy to wake up for. 
But step forth thing that 8 a.m.

915
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:17,000
Class that you have where you're
like, oh God. 

916
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,300
Damn. 
I gotta order you like I can 

917
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:21,700
work on this essay on my really 
Cash Card, go to sleep. 

918
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:24,300
And that's like that. 
Part really gets stressful, kind

919
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:26,300
of missing a deadline or two. 
Pretty tough. 

920
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:29,700
Yeah, but other than that, like 
the anxiety there is that's 

921
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:32,600
that's kind of where it ends 
starts and ends is about there. 

922
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,900
And I think like, for me as long
as as long as, you know, like 

923
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:39,300
you're happy and you put it into
perspective about what you're 

924
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:41,400
doing or there's no wrong 
decisions at this stage. 

925
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,800
And then this in this field like
you're really just pushing 

926
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,600
through like everybody else. 
Is at school. 

927
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,300
Everybody else is going through 
the same things. 

928
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:51,000
You are just keep telling 
yourself those things and like 

929
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,600
that's like something that my 
girlfriend's always likes preach

930
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,300
to me is like we are all going. 
Going through it here. 

931
00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:59,300
Yeah, everybody you never nobody
at University wants to be here. 

932
00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:01,900
She says a lot of time. 
She's like the end of the day we

933
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:04,100
wanted we were going here 
because we want to be elsewhere.

934
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,000
That's right. 
That's the point and I'm like, 

935
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,500
yes, very very true and knowing 
that you're in it with that 

936
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:11,000
somebody else is very important 
not to feel like you're the only

937
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,400
one on campus who hates what 
they're doing, right? 

938
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,100
And that's that was the 
difference for me, for the 

939
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:16,300
longest time. 
I thought I was the only one 

940
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:18,300
there who hated it. 
So yeah. 

941
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:24,000
Yeah, it's very important. 
I the one thing that I ReSound 

942
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,800
engaging, The he changed it 
World. 

943
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:32,700
Our viewers are our listeners. 
The one thing that was constant 

944
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,100
in people's reaction to your 
last conversation on here was, 

945
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:39,900
oh my God, this young man 
speaks. 

946
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:44,100
Well beyond his years and and, 
and my retort to that was, he 

947
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:49,600
does because he was given 
responsibilities and hurdles 

948
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:52,100
that were typically seen for 
people. 

949
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:55,100
Well, beyond their years. 
He was just given them, you 

950
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:56,900
know, Before he became a 
teenager. 

951
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,200
Yeah, but so many people have 
said that to me over this last 

952
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,100
year of just this of our 
conversation, our original 

953
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:07,500
conversation, the same as 
obviously even more. 

954
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:11,200
So now as you have aged, as you 
become even more wise, the 

955
00:42:11,207 --> 00:42:14,200
perspective that you have has 
gained even a another year on 

956
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,800
it, you can tell and I just 
appreciate your insights very, 

957
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,400
very much. 
You know, what he changed his 

958
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,600
trying to do, you know, I get, I
get the easy job. 

959
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,900
It's get to host the podcast. 
My wife is doing all the heavy 

960
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:29,900
lifting in her. 
Team and all that has the world.

961
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,300
Do we need it? 
Less or more and what is it 

962
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:34,800
about? 
He changed it that you love so 

963
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:35,800
much welcome. 
Yeah. 

964
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,800
I think I think Moore's more is 
always better in this in this 

965
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,200
type of an instance. 
I think opening doors for people

966
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,500
to get better is at the end of 
the day. 

967
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:46,200
What we need to do. 
You think, I think we can't push

968
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,500
anybody through them, but as 
long as we give them the option,

969
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:51,300
I think that that's, that's 
where the best of the problem 

970
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:54,600
lies in the first place. 
And, and I admire everything 

971
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,700
that he changed, its. 
Driving to do and has been doing

972
00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:58,600
for the longest time. 
Like, that's part of the reason 

973
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,600
why I got involved at the 
beginning, which is through, 

974
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,400
Alex, him telling me like parts 
that you got to see these guys 

975
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,400
in here. 
They're on their way, to doing 

976
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:10,000
something huge and I I trusted 
it from the get-go and obviously

977
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,000
like my favorite part is like I 
myself started. 

978
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,300
Try to start a website. 
Started a Blog space saw, how 

979
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:18,400
difficult that was and itself 
and then to see you guys start 

980
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,200
to do it and I'll do it with 
such Grace and to see the way 

981
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,700
that you guys have devoted 
yourself to something as 

982
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:26,800
important as this is just It's 
invaluable to me. 

983
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,800
Like I can't even begin to 
explain how important this is. 

984
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,200
And it just dude, touches me, 
right? 

985
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,800
We're right where I wished. 
I hadn't been able to figure it 

986
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,700
out with everybody else. 
Like just what I was trying to 

987
00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:38,600
do with my website. 
Well, yeah, I blog space to see 

988
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,100
what you guys are doing. 
It's just yeah, it's incredible.

989
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:44,400
I the team is gonna hear that 
and they're going to be so 

990
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,000
encouraged and it's going to put
wind in their sails because I 

991
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,400
mean, it's tough, right, you 
know, it's that developmental 

992
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,200
your birthing something. 
Yeah, and it's and it's so many 

993
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,400
variables still, there's so much
to do. 

994
00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:57,500
And so much that is being done 
at the same time. 

995
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:00,600
As this thing grows. 
I'm really excited to be able to

996
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,000
incorporate you. 
And I mean, I don't even want to

997
00:44:03,008 --> 00:44:06,000
call it your brand, but your 
story and your mission. 

998
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:07,700
Yeah. 
And your vision into he and 

999
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:10,200
that's going to be happening. 
Like we've already, you know, 

1000
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,900
we're marking as that next phase
goes, martial parties is going 

1001
00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:17,200
to be a big part of he changed 
it and you're gonna, I know your

1002
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,500
heart for helping people and 
we're going to just try and take

1003
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,700
an amplification system for your
heart and just megaphone that 

1004
00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:26,900
sucker. 
So, Thank you for being you. 

1005
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:30,000
Thank you for. 
I mean, I know I'm not taking 

1006
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,700
advantage of our friendship and 
talking. 

1007
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:34,000
I know you want to do this, of 
course, but thank you for. 

1008
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,100
You're so fucking busy. 
And I just appreciate you taking

1009
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:39,200
time to formally sit down and 
talk about this stuff with me. 

1010
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,400
And I'm honored to have you as 
my friend. 

1011
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,100
I love you, man. 
And I just want to say thank you

1012
00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:44,400
so much for being on here. 
Thank you. 

1013
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,000
Thank you for having me, man. 
This is, as always such a 

1014
00:44:47,008 --> 00:44:49,500
pleasure and I appreciate every 
moment that I have this mic in 

1015
00:44:49,500 --> 00:44:51,400
front of me and my good friend 
of me as well. 

1016
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:54,100
For sure, Marshall. 
Thank you. 

1017
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:58,600
There they go. 
They are so fast, and I hate 

1018
00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:59,900
that they go so fast, but I love
it. 

1019
00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:03,300
They go so fast, they go so fast
because they're so powerful and 

1020
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,900
organic and time, gets slippery.
When we do this. 

1021
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:09,100
Thank you very much for being a 
viewer or listener of. 

1022
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:11,300
He cast the official podcast of 
he changed it. 

1023
00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:13,300
Once again. 
I know I'm broken record. 

1024
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:17,100
But until we get to that next 
phase, Please Subscribe, please,

1025
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:19,800
share the podcast, please. 
If you haven't downloaded, he 

1026
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,200
changed it yet. 
Head on over and download it. 

1027
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,400
It's fun being part of something
as it blows up. 

1028
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:27,600
That is exactly where we are 
right now. 

1029
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,600
If you want to come be part of 
something, as it turns into a 

1030
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,100
worldwide movement, he changed. 
It is where it's at. 

1031
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:37,500
Go to heat change it.com for any
information until the next time.

1032
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,000
That I populate your eye holes 
or your earholes with another 

1033
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,000
podcast. 
My name is Mike Chism. 

1034
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,400
I am the host of he cast the 
official podcast of he changed 

1035
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,100
it. 
Go change something.