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Welcome to Heat Cast, the 
official podcast of He Changed 

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It. 
As always, I am Mike Chisholm as

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always. 
I am so excited to be here and 

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to talk about the world of men's
mental Wellness in all of the 

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facets and pathways that we 
explore in that topic. 

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Obviously, we are the official 
podcast of He Changed It. 

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If you haven't downloaded the He
Changed It app, what are you 

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Waiting for? 
It has never looked better. 

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Things are happening behind the 
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It's, I know I'm a broken record
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just really exciting to watch 
this thing grow. 

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And at the end of the day, you 
know he changed. 

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It is the first men's mental 
Wellness platform that has been 

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created and we're incredibly 
proud of of what's been 

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happening and what is going to 
happen now. 

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We have been in partnership for 
some special episodes of he cast

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with a company called Telus for 
the Canadians. 

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You know what Telus is for other
people around the world, you 

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might not necessarily know who 
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Telus is a massive, massive 
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Canada. 
Cell phone provider, broadcast 

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television provider, massive 
Internet provider. 

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And we went into and did a very 
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it the result was 5 amazing 
episodes of he cast, which we 

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are now going to put out on our 
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The episodes are with a band, 
The band is called Proper Man 

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and a proper man is a local band
from Kelowna, BC and all five 

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members have a story. 
The entire band has a story. 

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And so as a narrative, all five 
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like Voltron, you know a whole 
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to make one super robot, kind of
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Each episode is amazing and I'm 
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have done. 
I'm so proud to be friends with 

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these guys and it's a pretty 
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So without further ado he cast 
the official podcast of He 

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Changed It would like to present
a proper man the he cast 

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conversations Welcome to he cast
the official podcast of He 

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My name is Mike Chisholm and we 

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are watching the five part 
special proper man. 

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The he cast conversations that 
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Telus Story Hive earlier this 
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We're releasing them on our 
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Now we get to the guitar player 
who doesn't love a good guitar 

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player. 
Wow gosh Petrie is is certainly 

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that and more. 
I love Petrie. 

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He and Jason is Co founders of 
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and Yang to each other in many 
respects they are extremely 

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complimentive to each other and 
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analytical and and and and 
really thoughtful and technical 

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and I just really appreciate him
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about his vantage point his you 
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out there and and and and once 
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these guys being as vulnerable 
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There are going to be people who
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helped because they can relate 
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things. 
Is is is kind of a silver bullet

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knowing you're not alone and 
there's a lot of guys going 

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through stuff right now. 
Hearing these five guys open up 

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about things that they have been
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will help other people and that 
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behind why these guys said yes 
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incredible. 
Go check them out as a band. 

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Please enjoy Petrie on the He 
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Petrie to me and to proper well,

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I I started playing hockey with 
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The joke I stay on stage is he's
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person, but he had a really 
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It's like the wounded duck, you 
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what I'm talking about? 
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I've known Petrie a very long 
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very even keel. 
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anxiety and stress and all that 
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He's very calm and cool even 
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So he's always been a very good 
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balance me out. 
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he throws like like I say all 
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Most of them he threw the cords 
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I'd go over top of it and the 
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make it what it is. 
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nothing. 
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But Petrie, you know, because it
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a suit on every Saturday and 
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always says it before we go on. 
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good looking guys. 
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It's a definitely a midlife 
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Like, you know, some dudes, they
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they're they're the shit. 
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before we play and it's like we 
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Square Garden. 
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fiving and every time Petrie's 
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looking guys and I don't know 
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Petrie. 
We're here with Petrie. 

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Finally. 
Hello. 

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Yes, hello. 
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talks about Finnish heritage. 
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And he says hey, he knows that's
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And that's the first thing he 
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That all the time on stage about
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Like like born in Finland. 
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In Sweden, yeah. 
And so my parents, Finnish, My 

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dad and mom happened to be 
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My dad was a a contract welder 
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project and so I was born there 
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anything about Finland, Swedish 
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hockey. 
I'm the black sheep because you 

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know I love to bust the Swedes 
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Makes sense and. 
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but it's it's a friendly kind 
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So yeah, Born in Sweden and my 
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I grew up in Kitimats, same as 
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Yeah, How old were you when you 
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Oh, that's so. 
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been a year and a half. 
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brother seven months, 8. 
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her on the plane. 
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probably a little more loosey 
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rules. 
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they told me the story and I 
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but you know the only reason 
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mom if that really is a truth. 
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No kidding. 
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I'm moving the whole family over
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Kitimat, BC in February 74 and 
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most BC people you know who have
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the the area, it's just 
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they they get there and they 
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for what my mom you know told me
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did we, what did we do here? 
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think they you know the one day 
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break in the weather they looked
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beautiful country up there and 
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nestled in a valley and the 
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but. 
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country. 
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would, when the weather's nice, 
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And growing up playing hockey 
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So he was always kind of a year 
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system works, of course. 
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About Adam, Well, it's all 
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name the divisions and stuff. 
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have been Adam. 
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And into Pee Wee when I started 
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So you know, we we were a AA 
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You're wearing the Letterman 
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You're. 
Yeah, you're the. 

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And so, yeah, the big dogs. 
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And so I guess I could have 
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parents didn't let me, you know,
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convinced my my mom and dad 
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you should let them play Rep 
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And so I'm glad they did. 
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really met Jason then, so. 
So was music part of your life 

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already? 
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listen to music. 
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age I didn't. 
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guitar like AI think. 
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musical. 
I mean, I think my uncle, I have

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an uncle, a couple uncles that 
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I I I would listen to music just
relentlessly like, I mean, what?

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Kind of stuff. 
Would you listen to? 

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Oh man, it it varied, honestly. 
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by what my parents were 
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I mean, they were listening to a
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course, but you know, they were 
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Beatles, you know, all that kind
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There's always music. 
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And yeah, so I mean that. 
I think just when I got my first

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acoustic guitar, you know, 
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And I I just started playing it 
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know six and seven and and yeah 
and and so always wanted to play

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guitar so I played trumpet and 
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I didn't want to do band anymore
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wouldn't let me play guitar. 
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that I that I quit band high 
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Because I think it I could have 
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Not, not that I'm not happy with
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musician, but I think it would 
have given me more tools earlier

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on more. 
Theory More structure when your 

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brain is still learning. 
Absolutely, absolutely. 

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Reading sheet music better. 
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think I would say really, you 
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when I really started to get 
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Cool. 
My first record was Mötley Crüe 

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shot at the Devil. 
I remember, and my parents 

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weren't happy. 
They hit that thing when they 

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kind of, you know, because 
they're, you know, they're 

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English as a second language. 
Sure, But I mean, you look at 

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the cover and it's just 4/4 
dudes that are just satanic and.

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The word devil on it shot at 
the. 

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Devil. 
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like, what is this garbage, you 
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And so they try and hide it on 
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it. 
Sorry, Mom. 

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You know, I knew where they 
tucked it. 

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And so I'd secretly listened to 
it and anything. 

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That was pleasing to your ears. 
You went for it. 

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You didn't put up boundaries 
when I came to that exactly. 

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Which makes a lot of sense, 
actually, watching proper man 

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play. 
I mean, you can tell that the 

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whole band doesn't seem to have 
any boundaries as to the the 

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influences are literally across 
the entire spectrum, yeah. 

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Yeah I would agree really we're 
blast like I mean Jason and I 

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always joke I mean we're I mean 
Jason's very competent on the 

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drums but you know we always 
joke you know we're kind of the 

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the the weak link you know as 
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we're I mean Travis is a monster
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Justin of course on the drums is
is is a machine and Nori his 

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bass playing and his his vocals 
and and he's been around the 

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block you know he's playing a 
lot and so so we're we're very 

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fortunate to have these guys 
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joke that you know we we kind of
get away with it but I mean not 

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you know of course you know with
the songwriting you know Jason 

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taught me a lot and you know and
just from listening to my 

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influences it really I've been 
happy how I've grown as a 

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songwriter really like because 
that was not my that was not my 

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skill set until you know I mean 
I did a little bit of it you 

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know in the early days playing 
with Jason you know with with 

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punk bands and stuff but it 
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starting to work with him here. 
You know getting back into it. 

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It's just where I I just kind of
learned, you know, not only 

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learn from him, but I I I just 
learned to trust myself to you 

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know and and trust how I, you 
know. 

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Be confident. 
Did you? 

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Have the imposter syndrome as a 
musician, did you? 

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I. 
Always do. 

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I still do. 
Really. 

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I think that's a natural thing 
for for anyone. 

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Really. 
Yeah. 

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I sometimes I have it at work. 
I have it up here on on stage. 

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And, you know, you're your own 
worst critic, of course. 

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And. 
Yeah. 

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And I think some, some people, 
some men are probably more, you 

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know, sensitive to that and 
which can be a, which can be an 

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issue, right. 
Well, I'm glad you brought that 

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up. 
I want to talk about like the 

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formation of Proper Man 
everybody when we say OK, well 

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you know, where did Proper Man 
come from? 

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And really at the end of the day
it comes down to you. 

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They talk about how this band 
was started. 

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And I just, I love, I love 
everything about the idea of 

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friends being there for friends 
and especially in this world of 

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guys being there for guys. 
And and how there are a lot of 

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these things that maybe would be
done over the years, you know, 

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as the stigma was around quietly
but never really talked about, 

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really. 
At the end of the day, proper 

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man had a lot to do with with 
helping you. 

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Well, I mean that that sounds 
egotistical, but I know where 

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you it's not. 
I think I know where you're 

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going with this. 
But yeah I know. 

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I mean Jason, really the the 
before it was even proper, man. 

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Really it was, it was, you know,
I was going through a tough time

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and and you know making a move, 
just going through a separation 

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and you know going into you 
know, split family situation and

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moving to the Okanogan. 
And really I was able to kind of

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find a kind of find a place to 
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over so to speak. 
And it was nice that, you know, 

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I was able to reconnect with 
Jason because we hadn't. 

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I mean, we kept in touch, of 
course, you know, he's been my 

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close friend for many, many 
years. 

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He were from. 
Northern BC down to to yeah. 

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When we when I mean adventures. 
Well. 

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We did, yeah. 
We did a few ventures there from

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Kitimat, you know, and into 
Vancouver and stuff. 

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So. 
So it was kind of a a reset, so 

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to speak. 
So really it was we had no 

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intention of playing music. 
I had. 

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No, I I didn't. 
It just didn't even occur to me.

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And then I think I and I don't 
truthfully, I don't even 

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remember why we decided to just 
sit down. 

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And I think it was probably a 
couple too many whiskeys. 

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And then and then really it was 
just, you know let's let's have 

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a little little jam just for old
times sake. 

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And then and then really like 
right away it's I think there 

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was something there the first 
time we kind of sat down. 

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OK yeah, yeah, I remember. 
And then you know I had some I 

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had a laptop with you know 
Garage band on it that's which 

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is a recording software, right. 
So and so he he also had a, he 

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had a you know it was a neat 
little unit like it's not like a

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Roland unit that you know that 
you can record on. 

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It's a little board and you can 
record on it mix and and do all 

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sorts of things and and so he so
he had left this. 

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I don't know if he manipulated 
it and left left the unit, you 

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know, in the basement a bread 
crumb. 

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Yeah. 
You know, and actually I I don't

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even know if that's the real 
story, but I'll stick with it 

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anyway. 
So we had the, the recording 

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unit in the in the rental house 
at the winery house in Peachland

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there. 
It was a beautiful property. 

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So he was kind enough to he was 
doing his winery operations on 

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that property. 
So the house was vacant so I 

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stepped in and rented it and and
so yeah, so with the split 

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family situation I'd have the my
two daughters with me every 

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every other week. 
So, so the recording unit was 

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down there. 
And so I had just one night just

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thought, OK, I'll muck around 
and I sent him something that I 

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was quite proud of. 
And he, yeah, Jason's funny 

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because, you know, when he 
doesn't like something, I know 

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when he doesn't like something. 
Yeah, yeah, that was, you know, 

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that was like good try, you 
know, he was very encouraging. 

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In the in the sweetheart. 
But he knows. 

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He knows how to burst your 
bubble in a kind of a kind way. 

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Yeah. 
And so so kept working working 

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on it and he'd you know humor me
and put you know he'd do vocals 

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on it and add some keys and 
stuff like that and he's very 

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creative with that kind of stuff
to and we hadn't even to that 

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point we didn't really know what
we were doing or what direction 

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or and I think he just got I 
think he just had enough of me 

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sending him garbage so he and 
and and I when I say garbage 

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it's like it's just not 
connecting with. 

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Either of us, I mean. 
I was proud of some of the 

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stuff. 
And so it was a we, you know And

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then I think he decided you know
one night let's let's just get 

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the recording and you and I will
sit. 

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And back in the day in in 
Glasshead there was the old punk

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band in Kitimat where where we 
kind of did quite well with that

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little pop punk band. 
I mean we you know once CBC 

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Galaxy award, Rising Star award 
and you know we toured, we went 

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to Japan, got paid to go to 
Japan to tour and so that's a 

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lot. 
Of adventures for an indie band 

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it is. 
Yeah, I mean, we were big in 

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Japan. 
You know, that's only in a few 

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cities. 
But But yeah, I mean, not talk 

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about an opportunity that you 
couldn't refuse, right? 

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Yeah, it was. 
It was something else. 

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And now I've kind of lost where 
I was going with this story. 

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So no, no. 
No, no, it's it's, it's good 

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because I want to, I want to go 
back to something that you said 

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before we, you know, before we 
continue on. 

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Because, I mean, obviously 
things did gel and it's grown 

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into a direction where the two 
of you in that basement could 

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probably never have even 
fathomed this being where you're

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at right now. 
And and, yeah, so that's thanks 

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for jogging my memory there. 
So yeah, so basically we when we

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would kind of write with 
Glasshead, we'd sit down with 

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you know Bacardi, Lyman and 
Coke. 

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Yep. 
That was, I don't know what it 

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was little bit inspiration. 
I think it was probably because 

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it was cheaper and it had a 
decent taste. 

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You know he didn't have we were 
lazy at the time until until he 

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became and you know you know him
and I became cocktail kind of 

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gurus. 
Snorri likes to thinks he's 

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pretty good with making 
cocktails. 

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He's getting better. 
He's getting better. 

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Oh, OK. 
Well, that's good. 

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We'll tell him that. 
We'll let him know. 

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You keep going. 
Buddy, Yeah. 

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And so he his idea was you know 
what let's just for all time 

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sake of course a couple of 
Bacardi Bacardi lineman's and 

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and coke and and have a couple 
of puffs of something else you 

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know and and and yeah and and 
all I we just started kind of 

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rocking out doing our thing and 
he on. 

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Drums. 
You own guitar at the time, or 

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was it really? 
It was weird I I think at that 

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time because that machine kind 
of had a a a drum machine on it.

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So it was more, you know, we'd 
like pass the guitar to one 

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another because, I mean he 
played guitar and sang with 

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Glasshead, right? 
So he so we were kind of doing 

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that and I think we did have the
electronic drum kit down there 

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for that night for sure. 
And then we just something 

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happened and we started writing 
and playing this song and it 

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sound and I think I can't 
remember if it was Jason I was 

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like it sounds like a song that 
a German kid in you know leader 

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lederhosen would be like dancing
to and and and we just couldn't 

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stop laughing and I think but 
with that kind of not mistake 

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but yeah no no with that 
direction what came out of us 

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that night it it just kind of 
you know what it drove to that 

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European sound and there and and
it was you know a slurring kind 

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of British accent you know kind 
of what he was trying to put 

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over that and it just something 
Oh my God that's this is this is

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what this is what we need to do 
and then we it brought. 

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Joy. 
It obviously brought joy. 

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There and it and it it brought 
it brought out you know kind of 

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our our influences too you know 
with with new waves so and 

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Depeche. 
Mode or some of these other 

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yeah, yeah. 
You know, the cure big in, you 

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know and after the kind of the 
metal had kind of phase like I 

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was talking about what I was 
listening to. 

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Yeah, I mean anything that was 
good. 

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So that included New Wave, you 
know, secretly because it was a 

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weird thing back then, you know,
and I I think it is to this 

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today for kids, you know, 
teenagers. 

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Like you want a certain thing to
be your own, you know? 

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And when it gets popular, you 
got to not like it right. 

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Even if it's and that. 
Was New Wave for me. 

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It was so popular. 
Yep, it was on the radio. 

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I loved, I loved a lot of and a 
lot of the music that was out 

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there for New Wave and I loved a
lot of the artists and it was A 

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and it's been a huge influence 
for me. 

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You know guitar players. 
You know from, you know, Flock? 

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Flock of Seagulls, Yeah, like 
Morrissey. 

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Are you a Morrissey guy? 
I I respect. 

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I I didn't. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, totally. 
I mean I but that. 

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John, all the those those, yeah.
I mean all that stuff, you know 

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The Smiths. 
Yeah, you know Tears For Fears. 

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You know what? 
What I what I learned later you 

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know as I tried to progress as a
better musician than a guitar 

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player of how underrated some of
these you know, new wave guitar 

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players musicians were because 
of how they completed a song not

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you know back. 
You know not saying metal bands 

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were not great bands. 
I mean they were individual 

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players. 
It's a different. 

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It's a different. 
It's a process. 

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Different everything, yeah, but.
New wave, new wave and that kind

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of thing. 
What attracted me to it was I 

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think it went back to the basics
of layering and melody and 

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sounds and how it completed a 
band and it was a team effort 

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and that kind of that's why I 
kind of it's kind of stuck 

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around as an influence to me, 
like the police and and all 

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these Bowie. 
I love Bowie, yeah. 

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Yeah. 
But you weren't really supposed 

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to really like him. 
Yeah. 

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No. 
I know what you're talking 

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about. 
Yes, absolutely. 

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I I almost like a lot of secret 
material. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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And it's just he was incredible 
going to see. 

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Aerosmith but I'm listening to 
Bowie. 

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Yeah. 
And but yeah, the big, big 

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influence and you too, I mean 
massive influence for me, you 

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know the edge of the way he he 
was, he was the epitome of 

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layering and just innovation of 
of what he did for sounds and Oh

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yeah, and he's, you know, he's a
competent guitar but you know 10

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times the guitar player I am and
you know and how he 

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revolutionized. 
Oh. 

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Yeah, his guitar sounds. 
And how many? 

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And to this day, I'm still, it's
like, God damn it, it sounds 

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exactly like the Edge, but so 
how can I make it, you know, 

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sound like my own? 
So it's incredible. 

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What? 
Yeah, I just thought they were 

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incredibly underrated artists. 
Maybe at, you know, looking back

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at the time, I was like. 
I want to go back to these these

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basement sessions in proper man 
what what would become proper 

448
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:44,760
man. 
You talk about some of the 

449
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:45,880
things that you were going 
through now. 

450
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,200
I mean I know you know off 
camera we've even talked about 

451
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,800
how much you love your family 
families everything that's you 

452
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,880
know and and but at the same 
time you know there's a lot of 

453
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,800
guys who who who watch and 
listen to this stuff who have 

454
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,560
gone through their own version 
of when a a family splits up in 

455
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,920
that kind of thing and and and 
there's there's there's kind of 

456
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,000
two or three things that we go 
through we go through the the 

457
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,280
mechanics of what needs to 
happen next adjusting to change 

458
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,720
sometimes many many times. 
Then there's the family aspect 

459
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,960
of of what's the dynamic going 
to look like. 

460
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,720
How is everybody is it combative
is it how emotional is it and 

461
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,680
all that. 
And then many times lastly is 

462
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,960
well how am I doing what am I 
going through. 

463
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,320
One of the things that, you 
know, Jason has talked about and

464
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,800
whatnot is that that, you know, 
friendship is really, really 

465
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,360
important. 
And starting a band when guys 

466
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:39,760
are going through things that 
are really, really tough, you 

467
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,080
know, is one of those things 
that that can sometimes help get

468
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,200
people through things for both, 
for everybody, you know, because

469
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,960
it feels good to help, but it 
also is necessary to be helped. 

470
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,040
That kind of a thing. 
As you were going through what 

471
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,640
you were going through. 
What are some of the things that

472
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,680
on the third category, the 
things that you were dealing 

473
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,920
with at the time when you went 
through this stuff? 

474
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,880
Yeah. 
I think, you know, you 

475
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,440
automatically kind of the first 
things you think about is Oh 

476
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,000
well, you know, how is this 
going to affect the kids. 

477
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,000
You know if there's guilt, you 
know, there's, you know what 

478
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,200
could I have done different, you
know, to to to not go into this 

479
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,680
situation And you know, so I 
mean it's it's almost like a 

480
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,840
grieving process. 
I mean like you you hit it 

481
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,880
perfectly. 
I mean, there's different kind 

482
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:31,080
of phases and yeah, you you, you
really need to rely on the 

483
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,600
people that you know that you 
care about. 

484
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,200
You know and and and not. 
Be afraid to to rely on people 

485
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,000
like that and so easier. 
Said than done. 

486
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,320
It is. 
It really is like, was that? 

487
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,800
Hard for you to even reach out? 
Or did you internalize a lot of 

488
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,720
this stuff? 
Or did you reach out? 

489
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,960
I mean, did you know that 
automatically that you needed 

490
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,000
somebody to to to reach out to 
to help 0? 

491
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:56,160
Yeah, I mean like you know the 
first first people really 

492
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,760
obviously, you know would would 
be like my mom and you know 

493
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,160
stuff like that. 
So but it but of course there's 

494
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,360
that, you know, even having, you
know, getting the nerve to tell 

495
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:07,880
hesitation. 
There's hesitation there. 

496
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,920
My God, I've. 
I've you know she's going to be 

497
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,720
disappointed you know and you 
know and but you know she was 

498
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,000
very supportive you know and the
fear. 

499
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,680
Usually is worse than the 
absolutely. 

500
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,240
It is, yeah. 
And then, you know, then 

501
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,160
reaching out to friends to tell 
you know. 

502
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,680
And then how do you bring this 
news out so that it's, you know,

503
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,160
not found out on Facebook, you 
know, like something awkward 

504
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,800
like that. 
So yeah. 

505
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,520
So it it it's hard. 
But it you have to do it like 

506
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,240
it. 
I mean I I just looked at it 

507
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,280
more. 
Yeah. 

508
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,880
I I just this is something I 
need to do and I I need to deal 

509
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:48,000
with it And yeah like growing 
up, you know in my kind of 

510
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,400
family situation but with my 
father and my mother you know 

511
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,120
very, very traditional you know 
stay at home mom and you know 

512
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,240
dad works nine to five you know 
supper's on the table and so 

513
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,240
it's and and great values were 
given to my brother and I. 

514
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,320
But it's also, you know, it's 
there's things like, you know, 

515
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,000
stiff upper lip, you know, like,
you know, yeah be, you know, 

516
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,040
just man. 
Up man up. 

517
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,240
Just deal with it. 
Deal. 

518
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,880
You know you've gotta you've 
gotta deal with it and and so I 

519
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,640
think I think I think the 
concept is is yeah I know what 

520
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,920
what they're saying but I I 
don't think there was that you 

521
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,920
know the the knowledge of how 
important really it is to kind 

522
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,360
of reach out and ask for help 
when you when you need help 

523
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,640
because you know man up could 
mean so many different ways you 

524
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,880
know things right and and 
manning up in my my opinion 

525
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,520
would be yeah not not afraid to 
be vulnerable not afraid to ask 

526
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:55,280
for help and just you know yeah 
and and be that supportive 

527
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,560
person to somebody who who needs
that help too and and know when 

528
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,280
to ask for help and yeah it's 
it's it's a difficult thing and 

529
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,520
it's as with. 
I don't, we haven't talked about

530
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,120
this aspect of he changed it 
yet. 

531
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,840
But that's something that we've 
talked about. 

532
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,640
I mean, gosh about fourth or 
fifth episode that we've put 

533
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,640
out, he changed it. 
We want, we want to change the 

534
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,920
world. 
That's, that's what the team 

535
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,040
wants to do and wants to make 
men's mental Wellness something 

536
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,120
that can be easily, easily 
brought out into the light with 

537
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,400
no stigma and nothing attached 
to. 

538
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,280
One of the things that that that
that we as a as a group want to 

539
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,560
do is take back the phrase man 
up and and literally make it the

540
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,000
definition that you just talked 
about. 

541
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,640
That manning up is here's what 
I'm going through and here's 

542
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,400
what we're going to do about it.
And and and and and and and 

543
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,000
having it to be a phrase that 
includes vulnerability right 

544
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,800
from the gecko, not, not, not 
the sniffer lip part, the 

545
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,760
traditional definition of or 
stigmatized version of what man 

546
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,160
up might be. 
And it's just so cool to hear 

547
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,280
you just even organically say 
that. 

548
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,240
Clearly that is something that 
has come to you from learning. 

549
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,760
Absolutely, Yeah. 
Did you ask Jason for help, or 

550
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,080
did he see that his friend 
needed help? 

551
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,320
You know, we're both kind of the
same. 

552
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,760
We don't literally, we could sit
in his basement bar and not say 

553
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,760
a single friggin thing to one 
another and just be content, you

554
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,520
know? 
I mean we just but I think I 

555
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,080
think we just we just both knew 
because I I he went through a 

556
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,280
similar thing many many years 
ago And so he understood he he 

557
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:29,280
he understood how hard it is and
and how you need to lean on 

558
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,640
people and he he did lean on 
people and and and I'm glad he 

559
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,760
did because it just gets you 
through the process. 

560
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,600
I don't want to say easier but I
mean it just makes it yeah it's 

561
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,720
it's a process right. 
So it's not and it's never going

562
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:50,000
to be a perfect process but he 
just knew and and I and I think 

563
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:56,160
music was kind of our our out 
and then really and then as the 

564
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,000
band started to you know to to 
develop like really like you 

565
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,400
said, everyone's got their 
situation whether you know with 

566
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,120
family life or friends. 
And we're all, I mean, we're all

567
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:15,240
blessed and fortunate to to be, 
you know be able to do this in 

568
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,080
a, in a place like this. 
Yeah. 

569
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,760
Have our own jam spot. 
Really. 

570
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,520
Yeah. 
Make music as a hobby and as a 

571
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,160
passion and you know, live out 
our midlife crisis like this. 

572
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,400
You know, I mean Justin's the 
young guy but you know he's 

573
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,360
still got a partner. 
He's still got a family. 

574
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,400
Absolutely. 
So everyone's I think the way we

575
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,640
approach this band is is why 
it's been successful is because 

576
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,520
we do rely and lean on one 
another and each other's 

577
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:49,880
families and and we've made it 
you know kind of AI mean got my 

578
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,200
my girlfriend wife partner 
whatever you want to call it. 

579
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,840
You know she I consider my wife 
yeah. 

580
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,800
But you know she you know we've 
got our wives pictures on the 

581
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,240
wall here and you know and how 
we've how we've built this band 

582
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,920
is on really family and friends 
and and making it accessible to 

583
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,920
to to to myself and my partner 
Angela and you know to our kids 

584
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,480
and you know I think that's why 
it's been successful because 

585
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,440
yeah I think I said it before 
it's it's just been a it's been 

586
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,000
a it's a family oriented. 
I I I love that, you know? 

587
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,920
And yes. 
Well, and and I mean, the cool 

588
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,480
thing about this is when you 
guys talk, you guys are a 

589
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,960
family. 
You guys are a brotherhood. 

590
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,040
Yep. 
But then that brotherhood, your 

591
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,160
families come first more than 
anything. 

592
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,440
And you guys are intrinsically 
there for each other. 

593
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,760
If one of you, like we talk 
about Nori and what he went 

594
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,080
through with with his wife and 
and and and and and and how you 

595
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,440
guys were there for him when 
that was happening and how you 

596
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,920
and it's it's it's it's almost 
ironic in a sense that, you 

597
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,480
know, Jason goes through 
something in his life, sees you 

598
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,040
going through something in your 
life, oh, hey, let's bring music

599
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,440
to it. 
Music can be an outlet for us. 

600
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,680
It can be a a, a gateway to us 
expressing our friendship, our 

601
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,440
our past with each other, that 
kind of a thing. 

602
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,360
Clearly though, as proper man 
develops completely different 

603
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,120
than the previous band because 
of these things that you have 

604
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,360
learned along the way and taken 
these lessons and literally 

605
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:24,080
instilled them into the thing 
that you use as this outlet, as 

606
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,880
this creative outlet, as this. 
I mean you know you you have a 

607
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,960
job that I think is is extremely
important and it's one that that

608
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,679
that that that helps serve the 
greater community work for the, 

609
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,199
you know, environment. 
But at the end of the day, if 

610
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,120
that is not your passion. 
If that's not the thing that. 

611
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,840
Brings you all that joy. 
You need to find other things in

612
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,320
your life and I don't want to 
put words in your mouth. 

613
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,440
I think every guy out there 
who's working somewhere that 

614
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,360
doesn't necessarily fill their 
cup needs to find something that

615
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,160
fills your cup and and that's 
what proper man seems to Again, 

616
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,480
I you know this thing, it writes
itself. 

617
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,520
The band is titled Proper Man, 
you know, and it seems like what

618
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,640
you guys are doing is to help 
keep you be proper men. 

619
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,400
Yeah absolutely And and it that 
that's exactly it and I think 

620
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,160
that's the the title proper man 
really is like you know how can 

621
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:24,640
we be or help others be the best
man that you can be. 

622
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,640
I mean and it and it sounds like
a cheesy slogan and and but 

623
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,320
really that's that's kind of the
influences, you know. 

624
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,240
Yeah. 
Like, do you remember? 

625
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:37,480
Where the name came from? 
I haven't asked that question 

626
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:44,680
yet. 
Truthfully, I I I'm sure Jason 

627
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:51,040
somehow made it up. 
Goodness, I wish. 

628
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,360
I I wish. 
I remember that one. 

629
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,080
I'm sorry but. 
No, don't be, don't be. 

630
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,880
Because I'm sure there's a A 
really, really good story behind

631
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,800
that. 
Yeah, there's there has to be. 

632
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,560
But no, really, it was. 
It's not just. 

633
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,600
The name of a band, it is a It's
an attitude. 

634
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,120
And and and really the I it it 
really, I think the genesis of 

635
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:14,600
it really is from that portrayal
of being a gentleman, you know, 

636
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,520
having, you know, dressing 
smartly, you know, just being, 

637
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,680
you know, being nice to women, 
you know, being being nice to 

638
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,280
your kid, being a family man. 
You know, that's that's being 

639
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,520
good to the community. 
You know, bringing back to the 

640
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,120
community. 
I think that's really, I think 

641
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:37,840
where you know proper man, you 
know that's where that name 

642
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,160
really I think. 
Yeah, came from. 

643
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,840
It's an attitude. 
It really is. 

644
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,200
And when you see you on stage 
like like and and make no 

645
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,720
mistake, you guys rock. 
But you do it kindly like, I 

646
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,520
mean, yeah, we try. 
To I mean, we we do, we do slip 

647
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,080
up on the swear words at once. 
Oh no, no. 

648
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,440
No, I don't think that's. 
I think you can. 

649
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,320
I think you can still swear. 
Kindly, no, I know and I'm 

650
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:04,720
joking, But yeah, really it 
nothing, you know, makes us 

651
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:08,880
happier than seeing, you know, 
people really enjoying it. 

652
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,840
And and I think what the band 
has done, what I've heard the 

653
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:18,440
feedback is it takes people back
to you know it takes you know 

654
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,320
men back or you know and it it 
takes you know to to takes you 

655
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,680
back to a spot you know where 
nostalgia. 

656
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,200
I'm sure Jason's going to word 
that Jason's going to use that 

657
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,440
word. 
I'm certain he will. 

658
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,080
And that's what you know it's 
that's what it's all that's what

659
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,600
it's all about, having a good 
time and. 

660
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:38,680
I want to talk about the 
character. 

661
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,040
You know that that that some 
people in the band, they look at

662
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,240
their role as a as a total 
character, you know and you 

663
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,640
know, Nori being Slim, Pickens, 
you know, Justin being killer. 

664
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,360
What's your character? 
29 And really it's it's a silly 

665
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,080
story. 
It really is. 

666
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:05,240
We were actually doing, we were 
getting fitted for suits and you

667
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:09,240
know we're in the in the. 
We as being the band. 

668
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:11,240
The band, yeah. 
So we were getting fitted for 

669
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:15,120
proper suits, you know, and and 
so it came to my turn and I 

670
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:20,080
said, yeah, well, my pant size 
is 29, so, so that's, I'm sorry,

671
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,560
I wish it was no, you know, more
interesting or funnier than than

672
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,920
that, no, but. 
I want to know the difference 

673
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,360
between 29 and and and Petri 
like what's what's the 

674
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,360
difference? 
Honestly. 

675
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,360
Honestly, 29 I I really don't 
have. 

676
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:44,040
I can't really distinguish 
Petrie from 29 except 29 is up 

677
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,280
on stage here. 
I I still try, 29 still tries to

678
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,720
be Petrie and Petrie tries to be
29. 

679
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:57,400
We we still, I still I get to 
potentially throw up my back 

680
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,680
every once in a while while I'm 
up here like you know but and 

681
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,600
and really I throw out my hips 
and my and my my ankles and 

682
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,600
stuff running with with Angela 
you know my wife. 

683
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:17,000
And so I honestly, I I I I don't
have. 

684
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,480
You see them being the same, 
your authentic self. 

685
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,120
He's the guy that's up here 
playing. 

686
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,640
I just, I dress really nice up 
here and I I try and dress up 

687
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,320
nice when I'm out, you know, 
being Petri. 

688
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:36,200
But oddly enough sometimes and 
it it's it, it can vary. 

689
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,080
I sometimes I feel more 
comfortable being Petri out 

690
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,960
there. 
Sometimes I feel more 

691
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,400
comfortable being 29 up here. 
Oh isn't that interesting? 

692
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,280
I don't know. 
Yeah. 

693
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:51,840
There's no, there is no credible
story to say that 29 and Petri 

694
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:52,560
is different. 
This is. 

695
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,000
The credible story the the 
credible story that you come up 

696
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,960
here and and and the idea that 
and I mean the journey that 

697
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,680
you've been on, the things that 
you've gone through. 

698
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,080
Yeah I mean it's it's it seems 
to me that authenticity is 

699
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,920
extremely important to you and 
and everything that you do 

700
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,120
including the the releases, the 
the releases that you do, music 

701
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,840
being you know kind of a chief 
one for you obviously. 

702
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,520
Yeah, you're you're you're the 
same guy and that seems to be 

703
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,720
that's something that you've 
you've learned. 

704
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:18,440
I don't want to put words in 
your mouth but that's what 

705
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:19,480
that's the impression I'm 
getting. 

706
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,720
Yeah, I. 
Try and I try like to this day 

707
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:25,280
you know like lessons learned 
from you know from where I was 

708
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,920
when I moved here to where I am 
now and I'm you know in a better

709
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,360
place and and and happy and and 
and always working on myself you

710
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,080
know I'm I'm how do you work 
with yourself. 

711
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:45,000
Well I mean this band with my 
wife she she challenges me she's

712
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,200
a great woman. 
I I I think exercise is 

713
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,120
important for for not only 
physical but mental health and 

714
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:57,840
to be able to balance things and
and keep keep your body and your

715
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,920
mind in a good place or it or it
helps you. 

716
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,800
I think there's a foundation 
there you know physical activity

717
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,520
makes you feel better about 
yourself. 

718
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,840
I I feel and I'm not trying to 
pitch a no a lifestyle here. 

719
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,000
No, no, no no. 
I think one thing I've learned 

720
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,320
is that's helped me as a stress 
relief. 

721
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,200
It's helped me to be able to do 
this. 

722
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:29,880
It's helped me, you know, you 
know, because it when I'm 

723
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,160
getting into this age, I'm I'm 
feeling my it's only natural to 

724
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,320
start feeling about you know 
talk thinking about your 

725
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,040
mortality. 
And you know my father passed 

726
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,520
away at an early age of 56. 
You know I'm. 

727
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,680
I'm 50 now. 
So yeah, I'm I'm cognizant of 

728
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:49,520
you know what, not a fear. 
But I'm. 

729
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,920
I mean, that's no. 
But cognizant, I think is 

730
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,280
cognizant. 
You're aware I want to. 

731
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,560
I don't, I don't want to be gone
yet. 

732
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:01,520
You know at 56 I I I feel like I
have a lot more to do and 

733
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:07,320
explore and and just, yeah. 
So yeah. 

734
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,480
I appreciate that you're you're 
able to kind of share some of 

735
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,200
these lessons. 
Clearly you know again it's a 

736
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,400
it's a it's a theme. 
You know Jason went through 

737
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,680
lessons, saw you, you, you, your
friendship brought you through 

738
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,560
lessons, brought you to the 
place that you all are now 

739
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,520
you're all taking these lessons 
and and using them and 

740
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,560
expressing them and it's such a 
such a positive way. 

741
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,600
What are some of the songs that 
you guys have written that you 

742
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,800
that are close to your heart 
that you're really proud of? 

743
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,320
Oh, my goodness. 
I mean, there's there's so many,

744
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,160
Mike. 
I mean, we we've, we've. 

745
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,560
I literally have hundreds of 
songs that you know, are, you 

746
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,520
know, archived on my on my 
MacBook and you know, and he's 

747
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,280
probably got hundreds on his 
Roland Tascam, that unit that 

748
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,440
you know, and we still use that 
to this day. 

749
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:58,560
You know, I'll send him 
something. 

750
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:07,720
Honestly, I'm really honestly, I
think I'm probably proud. 

751
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,920
You know, it's not necessarily 
my favorite song, but I'm, I'm 

752
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,960
proud of Pub night. 
That's the, that's one of the 

753
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,800
first, it's one of the first 
songs that we as a, you know, 

754
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,480
that we came up with and it's 
the one that's still in our 

755
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,200
arsenal, so to speak. 
And it's kind of stood the test 

756
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:28,720
of time for us. 
And yeah, there. 

757
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,640
I mean, there's so many. 
Good video for that song, right?

758
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,520
Yeah. 
Yeah, you know, in Nori's house.

759
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,040
That was that, that was that 
pub. 

760
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,960
Night. 
Yeah, that was pub night. 

761
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,960
No, that was that. 
That one had various clips. 

762
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:44,320
Oh, OK, OK. 
I thought there was one shot at.

763
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,840
Nori's house. 
That was a big that was a drink.

764
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,720
Oh, that was a drink. 
Yes, yeah, that was a fun time. 

765
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:51,160
That's a great song. 
We filmed that at Nori's and so 

766
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,000
that that's yeah, that's that's 
a special one too because it 

767
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:59,000
actually that was our kind of 
our second jam space was in in 

768
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,320
Slim's Slim and Kristen's 
basement there. 

769
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,720
So he kind of built a bar and a 
so we thought we'd have this 

770
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:13,840
alternate between Jason's old 
bar stage area and slim space. 

771
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:14,600
Well, there's. 
A theme. 

772
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,240
The idea you know, pub night, I 
drink. 

773
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,360
Broken Hearts Club, you know. 
Booze and bars. 

774
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,360
And getting together and 
friendship, though. 

775
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,000
And and and and that's really 
camaraderie, yeah. 

776
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,600
It really is which? 
Is what you guys are all about. 

777
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,680
Tell me about Bloodless. 
Bloodless is, you know what 

778
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,520
Bloodless is? 
I love. 

779
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:35,640
I love that song. 
Yeah. 

780
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,440
And and I love playing it. 
And I'm going to tell you a 

781
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,120
couple of reasons why. 
Because I didn't write a single 

782
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,600
lick in that song. 
You're kidding. 

783
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,840
No. 
And I love it because you know 

784
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,960
it. 
It's it's not. 

785
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,520
It's. 
I like playing a cover song, but

786
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:59,720
it's but it's being for me to be
able to play it when somebody 

787
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:05,720
else has written the parts has 
been a treat because and and how

788
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:11,920
that song grew and I wasn't. 
I didn't have to do a single 

789
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:16,000
recording session. 
I'm lazy. 

790
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:18,720
Yeah, it's kind of fun. 
How about you're? 

791
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:20,720
Busy. 
Yeah, No, because you are that 

792
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:23,600
too. 
And literally like Travis had 

793
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,440
written that song with Jason and
the guitar parts. 

794
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:33,160
What you hear on on that track 
when we do release it it's it's 

795
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:39,600
all Travis's tracks and when I 
when he sent me the song hey man

796
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:45,320
do you mind doing your parts for
this And I I told him Javis 

797
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,680
nothing needs to be done like 
you've captured you've captured 

798
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:55,720
what's needed in this song. 
So I love that song and we've 

799
00:45:55,720 --> 00:46:00,080
already played it live a couple 
Times Now and I I enjoy it and 

800
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,200
it's a different direction 
right. 

801
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:07,040
It it really is a different type
of song for proper man because 

802
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:13,320
it is it's it's an anthem I I 
the definition like an anthem 

803
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:21,400
being big being you know 
explosive and powerful that's 

804
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,600
how I would describe it. 
Whereas our other material that 

805
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,200
you know Jason and I have 
written have been more on the 

806
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:35,640
kind of new WAVY kind of the the
I guess the what do you call the

807
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,760
bread and butter proper man 
stuff sure. 

808
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:43,440
And and same with you know, the 
other new song is a little bit 

809
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,520
more edgier, right. 
So, but Bloodless is a great 

810
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:55,360
song and I think it captures, it
captures some interesting stuff 

811
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,320
for the band but but also for 
for for Jason, for Norm, because

812
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,560
there's some hard work there for
him and he put his, he put his 

813
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,720
heart out on some of that on 
those vocal lines and and the 

814
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:11,760
way he's projecting, projecting 
it out. 

815
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,400
So I was proud of him. 
I would. 

816
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,640
Submit physically and mentally. 
He's putting a lot of stuff. 

817
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,680
Oh my. 
Goodness, yeah, it's like it's. 

818
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:18,960
It's. 
It's almost funny. 

819
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,840
It's not funny to watch him on 
stage, but you you, you can tell

820
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,760
it. 
It takes a lot out of him and 

821
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,400
it's a difficult, difficult song
to open a set with. 

822
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,040
And that's what we've we've 
decided to do. 

823
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,320
Yeah, well. 
In the writing, kudos to. 

824
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:33,640
Him. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

825
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,120
The writing of it too, I mean 
that it's to get. 

826
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,960
I think to get something like 
that. 

827
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,600
It takes a lot to get something 
like that. 

828
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:44,360
Oh. 
Absolutely. 

829
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,560
And I think you'll learn from 
Travis probably Travis and Jason

830
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,640
more of what went into that and 
what you know. 

831
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:57,480
But it just goes to show and 
prove that this band, this 

832
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,000
brotherhood, like nobody 
anyone's allowed to bring 

833
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,080
something to the table, you 
know, and and we all respect one

834
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:11,200
another enough as as human 
beings and as as musicians that 

835
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,040
we we just trust in the process 
and we trust in ourselves. 

836
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,760
So it's pretty cool. 
I'm going to, I'm going to ask 

837
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:25,160
one last question. 
I assume the the family split 

838
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,360
toughest thing you've ever gone 
through. 

839
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:29,920
It up. 
There it it's up. 

840
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,800
Oh yeah, absolutely. 
You know, the death of my 

841
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,280
father, you know, death of, you 
know, of course it's, it's up 

842
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,280
there. 
It's a life changing. 

843
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,840
It's a life changing event, 
yeah. 

844
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,960
You know, if you you said this 
yourself, one of the first 

845
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,360
things that happens when you go 
through something or something 

846
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,680
that's happening is you start 
second guessing. 

847
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,200
What could I have done 
differently, That sort of thing.

848
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,920
You've got a lot of time now 
where there's been healing and 

849
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,240
reflection and obviously you're 
in a very different place now 

850
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,360
than you were then. 
If there was a couple pieces of 

851
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,120
advice you could give to 
yourself back, then, what would 

852
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:01,160
they be? 
You know what really it's be be 

853
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,200
kind to yourself sooner. 
You know and and and really so. 

854
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,840
Don't beat yourself up. 
Exactly. 

855
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,320
And and I know it's hard. 
Yeah it's it's it's natural to 

856
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,720
feel guilty and it's natural to 
feel like a failure. 

857
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:19,520
It's natural but you know 
because you originally asked 

858
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,640
like you know through that 
process what was one of the 

859
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,200
things that you learned and that
that is if you can if there's 

860
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,600
any way you can try and be you 
know good to yourself and and 

861
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,680
don't forget about yourself you 
know and and you know my my 

862
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:38,360
partner she's said I can I you 
know if you're not OK you know 

863
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:43,520
I'm not OK you know like you 
first have to you have to be in 

864
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,920
a good place you have to be 
happy before anyone else around 

865
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:52,560
you can can be happy or or I 
don't know if that self love. 

866
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,760
No, it does. 
It's it's the airplane analogy. 

867
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,320
I think in many times you know, 
if you're you're, you're flying 

868
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,120
with your child. 
If the cabin. 

869
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,960
Depressurizes whose mask you put
on 1st you put yours on. 1st 

870
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,320
That's not to be selfish. 
So if. 

871
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:04,560
That's what you're saying to be 
more? 

872
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,200
Effective. 
And to be able to exactly. 

873
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,000
I think that's a really good 
analogy actually. 

874
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,640
And yeah, and you don't 
sacrifice. 

875
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,720
Yourself for everybody else 
because there's nothing left and

876
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:18,160
then and you can't. 
That's a one time, that's a one 

877
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,000
time thing. 
Just. 

878
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,480
Yeah, take it easy on yourself. 
Be good to yourself and you 

879
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,080
know, lean. 
Don't be afraid to lean on your 

880
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:29,440
friends and family. 
Honestly, it you have to do it. 

881
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,840
Those two things you said are 
some of the easiest things in 

882
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,920
the world, but they're also the 
things that we either dismiss so

883
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,360
quickly. 
Like when you say be good to 

884
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,120
yourself, there's so many guys 
that are going through stuff 

885
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,520
that don't take what you just 
said and internalize it. 

886
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,440
Like ask yourself the question, 
am I being good to myself? 

887
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,840
What can I do to be good to 
myself? 

888
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,960
But we don't do it and I just 
think it's really powerful. 

889
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:53,000
It may sound simple or easy, and
it is simple, but it's not 

890
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,040
necessarily easy because of it's
a built. 

891
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,800
I think it's a built stigma, 
yeah, especially for men. 

892
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,720
I think it's, you know, you've 
got to be, you know the the old 

893
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,560
thought is you've got to be that
provider, you've got to make, 

894
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,080
you've got to make everything OK
and you, you've got to fix 

895
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:11,760
things. 
Yeah. 

896
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:21,000
If you can't fix yourself or you
can't you know put yourself in a

897
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:26,480
place where you you know you can
be happy. 

898
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,480
Yeah, you're you're it's it's a 
it's a it's a lost cause. 

899
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:35,960
And sorry, my train of thought. 
No, again. 

900
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,320
We Are you kidding me? 
No, there's no you're you're 

901
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,000
that's that's bang on. 
Like, no, it's. 

902
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,880
There was another point I was 
trying to make with the other 

903
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,520
aspects. 
So you have friends? 

904
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,560
With, with reaching out. 
Yeah, exactly. 

905
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,240
Don't. 
Yeah, you've you've got to 

906
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:51,120
internalize that and don't look 
weak. 

907
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,960
You know and and that that's 
that's the old old kind of 

908
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,880
thought and stigma is that 
asking for help is you know is a

909
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:04,200
sign of weakness and which is 
actually I, in my opinion the 

910
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:05,720
opposite. 
You know it is. 

911
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,360
You're right. 
It's a sign of strength. 

912
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,680
Yeah. 
Yeah, but it's. 

913
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,640
Easy to say, hard to do. 
But the reason that I think that

914
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:16,000
it's so cool talking about this 
with you guys is these are the 

915
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,240
messages that keep coming 
through all of you. 

916
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:21,600
You clearly all kind of believe 
in this because you are this for

917
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,160
each other, right? 
You just kind of built it into 

918
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,880
what you're doing, absolutely. 
And the first time that you do 

919
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,440
it, it becomes easier and you 
realize, oh wait a second, this 

920
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,240
is a a real piece of truth that 
has power attached to it. 

921
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:36,000
So just, you know, as through 
this conversation, I just, I 

922
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,520
just want to encourage any guy 
that's out there that's going 

923
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,240
through something. 
The hardest time to reach out 

924
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:43,560
and ask for help is the first 
time. 

925
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,840
But once you realize it's an 
actual pathway to moving forward

926
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,240
and and and to getting out of 
the situation that you're in, 

927
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,120
move to that, make that the 1st.
Thing that you do. 

928
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,960
Don't do it when you have to do 
it right. 

929
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,240
Like, yeah. 
Seems like a monumental task 

930
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:01,920
and. 
But you're right. 

931
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,680
It, yeah. 
And the sooner you can do that, 

932
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,040
the sooner you can be better to 
yourself, you know, the more, 

933
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:14,880
more easier the the rest of the 
process or the process will kind

934
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,560
of work its way through. 
We heat change that are just 

935
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:24,000
really so excited to have you 
guys talk a little bit about 

936
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,160
what this entire heat change 
unit movement is about and and 

937
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,120
be a part of this. 
Thank you so much for taking 

938
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,280
time to bury your soul a little 
bit and talk to us about this 

939
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,280
it's it's we appreciate it so 
much. 

940
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,440
Yeah. 
Thank you and and thank you and 

941
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,200
and I I'm I'm a huge fan of what
you're doing and I and when we 

942
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,480
talked earlier on about the 
concept and you know heat change

943
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:53,840
I'm I was 100% on board and know
what you what you're doing I 

944
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,840
hope and I know it will help men
out there and and and people so.

945
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,360
Absolutely. 
Lastly, before we go, what is 

946
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,400
proper man to you? 
Oh my goodness. 

947
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,400
Why? 
Why would you? 

948
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:11,480
See, you said there was going to
be no like, off the cuff on your

949
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,280
toes. 
Yeah, keeping me on my toes. 

950
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,440
Oh my goodness What is proper 
man to me. 

951
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:31,360
My goodness. 
I I honestly the the I'm trying 

952
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,760
to think of something so 
profound and so witty and 

953
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,000
nothing's coming. 
But the the first word that's 

954
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,400
coming to me is brotherhood. 
Really it is for this as a as a 

955
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,440
band, it's it's a it's a 
brotherhood. 

956
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:53,520
And it's and we've talk to ad 
nauseam about it today and how 

957
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:59,600
we just rely on one another. 
How we get to do our passion 

958
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:05,400
together, get to share our 
struggles, our our triumphs 

959
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:12,240
together, get to make people 
happy together, you know and we 

960
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:14,920
get to do these kind of cool 
things together, you know and 

961
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:21,320
and I I think it just, yeah, 
it's cool to be thought of as as

962
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:30,240
a as a as a unit and as a as a 
you know as a proper man concept

963
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:35,400
because the concept is is is 
brotherhood, being good to 

964
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,600
ourselves. 
Being good to other people, you 

965
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,040
know, your families and so. 
Hey, guess what? 

966
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:42,840
You didn't think that you said 
something profound. 

967
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,760
That's what the truth is. 
That's awesome. 

968
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,640
And it is a brotherhood. 
And it's so evident. 

969
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:48,960
Thank you very much for being 
part of this today. 

970
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,560
Appreciate it, Mike. 
And we'll see you on stage. 

971
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:52,240
Yeah.