1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:03,840 Welcome to Heat Cast, the official podcast of He Changed 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,560 It. As always, I am Mike Chisholm as 3 00:00:05,560 --> 00:00:08,280 always. I am so excited to be here and 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,920 to talk about the world of men's mental Wellness in all of the 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,040 facets and pathways that we explore in that topic. 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,000 Obviously, we are the official podcast of He Changed It. 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,720 If you haven't downloaded the He Changed It app, what are you 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,560 Waiting for? It has never looked better. 9 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,080 Things are happening behind the scenes. 10 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:28,560 It's, I know I'm a broken record when it comes to that, but it's 11 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,040 just really exciting to watch this thing grow. 12 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,960 And at the end of the day, you know he changed. 13 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,040 It is the first men's mental Wellness platform that has been 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,680 created and we're incredibly proud of of what's been 15 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,880 happening and what is going to happen now. 16 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:51,400 We have been in partnership for some special episodes of he cast 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,800 with a company called Telus for the Canadians. 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,520 You know what Telus is for other people around the world, you 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,040 might not necessarily know who they are. 20 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,920 Telus is a massive, massive communications company in 21 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,080 Canada. Cell phone provider, broadcast 22 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,040 television provider, massive Internet provider. 23 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:17,680 And we went into and did a very cool program with Telus and in 24 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,960 it the result was 5 amazing episodes of he cast, which we 25 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:24,880 are now going to put out on our platform here. 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,400 The episodes are with a band, The band is called Proper Man 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,840 and a proper man is a local band from Kelowna, BC and all five 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,600 members have a story. The entire band has a story. 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,240 And so as a narrative, all five episodes tie in together kind of 30 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,600 like Voltron, you know a whole bunch of robots coming together 31 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,760 to make one super robot, kind of like that. 32 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,680 Each episode is amazing and I'm so proud of the work that we 33 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,680 have done. I'm so proud to be friends with 34 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,000 these guys and it's a pretty special story. 35 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:04,080 So without further ado, he cast the official podcast of He 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,759 Changed It would like to present a proper Man the he Cast 37 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:19,600 Conversations. Welcome to He cast the official 38 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,600 podcast of He Changed It As always. 39 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,240 I am Mike Chisholm as always. I'm so excited to be here. 40 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,120 It's a broken record, but guess what? 41 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,760 It is 100% authentic. I am excited to be here. 42 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,120 I'm excited to be part of this to watch He Changed It grow. 43 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,360 If you haven't downloaded the He Changed It app yet, what are you 44 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,240 waiting for? Grab it. 45 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,880 It's super cool already and you ain't seen nothing yet. 46 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,280 It's moving forward and there's lots of cool things happening 47 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:43,840 with and that he changed the world. 48 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,840 Go to hechangedit.com for more details. 49 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,800 Now the proper man conversations. 50 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,360 Travis Saunders, the keyboard player, massive music producer 51 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,360 and with a story that I was not prepared for. 52 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,480 I knew I was going to sit down with Travis and and and the cool 53 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,360 thing about Travis is he is like I say he's a big in the music. 54 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,200 I'm big in the music and I knew it was going to be a great 55 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,160 conversation. I know he's been through some 56 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,320 stuff. I had no idea the depth and 57 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,720 breadth of what Travis has been through. 58 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:19,880 And and I mean here's a guy who has it's safe to say been to the 59 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,800 edge, peered over the edge, in fact might have hungover the 60 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,720 edge and come back. He's the 1st to admit that there 61 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,960 is a lot of people who have been over that edge and and haven't 62 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,520 survived it. And and I just you talk about 63 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,040 this grateful guy and this guy that just really, really he's 64 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,240 got a special special heart that will become obvious the moment 65 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:41,760 you start listening to Travis talk. 66 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,200 And this story is just a powerful one. 67 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,200 I just appreciate him so much for being as vulnerable as he 68 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,360 is, as he was. And and please share these 69 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,440 episodes and this is one in particular that if it hits your 70 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,160 heart, please share it out there. 71 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,120 There are guys that will hear this, hear this message and they 72 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,960 will pull back from their particular edge that they're on. 73 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,720 I just appreciate Travis Saunders so much. 74 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,320 So without further ado, he cast the official podcast of He 75 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,560 Changed It, presenting the Proper Man Conversations, Travis 76 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,680 Saunders. Travis is definitely the 77 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,480 eccentric, crazy, creative one. I think some people that don't 78 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,360 know everybody in the band, they they are led to believe that is 79 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:23,520 potentially me. It's not. 80 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,840 Travis is much more of a creative mind, eccentric beast 81 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:29,880 than I I can ever be. He's a producer. 82 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,280 He's produced probably, I would say, hundreds of bands in the 83 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:35,920 scene. He's been noted in Canada for 84 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,840 his producing. He's a very, very talented 85 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,960 person and a very beautiful person. 86 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,960 He's helped a lot of young bands back in the days where sorry to 87 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,280 all you bands out there, but a lot of bands were quite shitty. 88 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,000 He'd make them good and they all know what I'm talking about. 89 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,080 They'd come into the studio and Travis would clean them up and 90 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,400 give them hope, and that's what it's all about, right? 91 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,640 And then they got better. Now a lot of those guys are in 92 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,440 great bands. So Travis is a very a very 93 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,640 important person to the music industry I think in in in BC and 94 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,760 and very noted in in Kelowna and proper man he does record the 95 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,240 stuff, he produces it. I'm the irritating guy on his 96 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,040 side and I'll call it Co producing or being irritating 97 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,680 and he's just nice to me. So we do a lot of stuff together 98 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,400 in the studio and he's yeah, I'm very happy when he first came 99 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,160 into proper man. He's got a very busy mind and 100 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,760 he's got a like a love, hate with music. 101 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:29,920 So you don't want to overwork Travis. 102 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,120 You've got to keep that balance. And I didn't know if being in a 103 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,640 band would be good for him. And it turns out it's been a 104 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,600 very beautiful thing for him, for all of us. 105 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,640 And I think it's also the connection and the friendship 106 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,680 and and putting it all that together into one. 107 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,000 One thing. So yeah, Travis. 108 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,320 Very unique. Wait to interview him. 109 00:05:48,000 --> 00:06:03,840 Best of luck. OK, Travis, what's your name in 110 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:06,920 the band? Bani Bani Well, Ashley Bannister 111 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,440 actually. Ashley. 112 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,600 Bannister name is Ashley Bannister, yeah. 113 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,680 Ashley Where did that come? From when we were recording one 114 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,880 day when I first joined Proper Man, I looked up just like 115 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:21,320 Proper Man on and images on like Google. 116 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,480 Yeah, and this picture of this guy with his huge mustache, he 117 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,800 looked nothing like me came up and his name was Ashley 118 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,520 Bannister. He's the proper man of the week. 119 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,920 So And then from then on for some reason they called me him, 120 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,760 and then just came down to banning and banning stuff. 121 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,520 Now. OK, so I love the idea of the 122 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,480 alter egos. It's it's it's it's cool. 123 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,760 You know, I I remarked to you, this is the first time I've. 124 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,200 I've never seen you in a suit, right. 125 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,440 Yeah, the first time today. Like like these alter egos. 126 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:48,840 Yeah. You dress you come in. 127 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:51,600 It's a different. It's a different mindset, yeah, 128 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:52,000 for. Sure. 129 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,480 Who is Who is Banny compared to who is Travis? 130 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,240 I don't. Banny's a little bit crazier. 131 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,720 Maybe he's he's a guy who can just totally let free or let let 132 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,520 loose and be free when he plays music. 133 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:03,960 Yeah, because when you play in proper, man. 134 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,760 When I play in proper man, well, all the guys I'm sure, right? 135 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,800 But when I play in proper man, it's just you just kind of just 136 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,320 forget everything and you would just totally get into the music 137 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,360 and you just but I don't know it's like I'm I'm like whatever 138 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,200 I am, how I am when I'm not banning. 139 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,000 But when I'm banning I don't think about it as like a 140 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,720 transformation I but it's just that's the guy that plays with 141 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,600 proper man who's just really into the music. 142 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,560 Yeah. Well, and you are really into 143 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:27,640 music. Yeah, yeah. 144 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,120 But sure. Music is my life, right? 145 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:30,680 Yeah. Yeah, it always has been. 146 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,080 Let's talk about that. Like, when did you start with 147 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,160 music? Has it always been keyboards? 148 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,520 Yeah, it's always kind of been keyboards. 149 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,520 I started when I was like 3 or 4 playing the piano. 150 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,360 Yeah, And I was taught all by ear just on the Suzuki method. 151 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,000 And then I went to Royal Conservatory and stuff like 152 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,240 that. So I did my piano, piano degree 153 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,840 and stuff like that. But then I then I wanted to join 154 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,960 a band when I was older and piano wasn't cool enough. 155 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,080 So I decided to learn how to play the guitar. 156 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,960 Yeah, so I learned how to play the guitar. 157 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,760 And then my sister had a drum set, so I learned how to play 158 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,400 that. And then kind of just morphed 159 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,960 into everything. Where'd you grow up in Black 160 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:06,720 Mountain? In Kelowna? 161 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:07,760 Yeah. I'm a black Mountain kid too. 162 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,080 Nice. That's that's amazing. 163 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:10,320 Yeah. Where did you grow up? 164 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,600 Lund Rd. My parents are still up on 165 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:13,280 Lundbrick. Awesome. 166 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,280 Yeah, I grew up on Lindbrick and then then we moved to Gallagher 167 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:17,800 Rd. By the old school's Friday. 168 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,960 Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I know. 169 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,640 That's my old stomping grounds. Very, very, very cool. 170 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,800 Did you go there to the school? There. 171 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,640 Yeah, I went there from grades kindergarten to three, Blackland 172 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,640 Elementary. And then I went to the Christian 173 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,799 School, Heritage Christian School for 4:00 to 10:00. 174 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:34,400 And then I went to Rowland for 11:00 and 12:00. 175 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,679 Was you know you hear a lot of people who who end up in 176 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,280 Christian schools and and then have sort of that background or 177 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,200 whatever and and music becomes a thing either you're playing in 178 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,440 church or piano lesson. A lot of, a lot of kids like 179 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:46,960 that. That's where they end up into 180 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:47,800 music, was that. You. 181 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,280 Yeah, yeah, a little bit. I guess. 182 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,000 It's like, that's where I cut my teeth on the drums. 183 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,360 I'll just kind of thrown into it and play at church every Sunday. 184 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,320 So drums too. Yeah, yeah, So. 185 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,680 So I sort of played play Church of Drums, and then that just 186 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:00,520 turned into me learning more drums and everything. 187 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,360 But I play every week for like years and years. 188 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,120 I love, I love this at church. I love the story of proper man 189 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,120 with the drummers. Yeah. 190 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,400 And how many drums, Yeah. How much influence is there? 191 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:10,960 For sure and that. But that's the thing though, 192 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,040 like like Justin can play better with his feet, then like he 193 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,000 makes me and Jay look like we have no hands when he plays. 194 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,240 And more good drummers, I'm better than Jay, but. 195 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,880 I love, oh, I love hearing that. That's great. 196 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,800 Yeah, no, no, no. Jay can do it. 197 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,800 He's he's like 80s double kick pedal, yeah, twirl the sticks. 198 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,440 I'm not as good as stick Twirler, but I don't know no. 199 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,640 But yeah, it is. We all got to. 200 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,480 Be good at something I. Suppose because we're like 201 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,040 ruthless with with drumming, right. 202 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:35,800 Because we can both play drums. If we don't have a good drummer, 203 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,760 then it's like, oh, well, yeah, it'd be like a Foo Fighters 204 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,600 thing, right. Like Dave Grohl replaced the 205 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,560 drums. That what's his name did on the 206 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:46,000 color and the shape, right. William Goldsmith, he's a great 207 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,720 drummer from Sanity Real estate. But Dave Grohl's better so and 208 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,520 he he knew what he wanted and it's like that. 209 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,600 But that's what Justin brings to the to the band is that he does 210 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,760 everything that we want and more and does better and quicker, 211 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:58,440 right. So. 212 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,920 There's a there's a quote my, my, a good friend of mine when 213 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,480 when Taylor Hawkins from the Foo Fighters passed away, what he 214 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,480 said and we both huge music fans from similar eras as well. 215 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,120 I mean, Taylor Hawkins was the only guy that the public would 216 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,360 accept to back up Dave Grohl in a band. 217 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,720 Exactly right, you. Know and and I feel a little bit 218 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,880 of that whatever the sentiment that comes with that statement, 219 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,960 I feel a little bit of that with Justin, with you guys. 220 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,480 Yeah, for sure. It's like he's a similar sort of 221 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:27,040 thing, right? He. 222 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,440 Just feels like the right guy. He hits so hard and his 223 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,240 personality is so big and strong. 224 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,840 You know, he's the killer. He's the killer of the band, 225 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,400 like he's just. I named it that. 226 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,200 Did you name it Killer? There it is. 227 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,480 Yeah, they were talking about naming him Sweet Pea or like QD 228 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,520 something. Or I was like the hell. 229 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,520 That's not not named for a driver. 230 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,240 He's a goddamn killer. Yeah. 231 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:54,480 So yeah. I love the camaraderie with you 232 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,840 guys. I love that you're all. 233 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,360 I mean he's the he's the baby of the group. 234 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,480 But but I love how how you guys are in this. 235 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,520 You know kind of similar place, a lot of similar mindsets. 236 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:05,720 When did you start with proper, man? 237 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,280 What's your role with? I mean obviously you're the 238 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,400 keyboard player, things like that, but I know it's a lot 239 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,720 bigger than that. What's your role in proper man? 240 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,760 Well, yeah, I was leaving Vancouver and independently 241 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,680 producing like there because I yeah, Long story short, yeah, I 242 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:19,000 was. But I decided to move back to 243 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,880 the Okanogan because, like, producing records is burning me 244 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,200 out. And I came back here and James 245 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,200 is like, hey, yeah, we got this new band that me and Petrie are 246 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,520 doing and when you play some keyboards on it did. 247 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:31,760 You know him? Yeah, I knew him back from like 248 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,240 2001 or two, the only for like, yeah, around 20 years. 249 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,520 But I produced a record for his old band called Glasshead and 250 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,320 did a few other random songs and projects. 251 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,280 But yeah, I recorded Daydreams on Jupiter with Jay and 252 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:44,880 Glasshead, but he was doing that. 253 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,800 So that's how we met. And then we got a less touch for 254 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,760 a little bit because this life and everything, right? 255 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,840 But when it came back then, yeah, he asked me to come and 256 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,240 just play keyboards on one track. 257 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,600 And that led into me living at his house for two weeks and 258 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:57,440 playing keyboards on like 10 tracks. 259 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,080 And then it's kind of in the band. 260 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,880 So you were in the record business in Vancouver, which is, 261 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,800 which has a thriving music industry. 262 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,960 Tough, tough business to be in. No, totally. 263 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,480 Yeah, it's. It's for a variety of reasons. 264 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,880 Chaotic and insane. And it's like, I don't know, 265 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,600 it's a lot of work to do stuff like that. 266 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,400 Because he used to run a studio in Black Mountain. 267 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,520 Actually, when I first started I just got a bunch of gear. 268 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,400 My parents give me the option of either going to recording school 269 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,640 or my dad would just lend me a bunch of money to buy equipment 270 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,280 and didn't know how to use. So I took the second option and 271 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,080 read a bunch of books and made a lot of really bad recordings. 272 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:36,280 And then it turned into me just like randomly doing it full 273 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:37,920 time. And it's like my career for like 274 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,480 15 years. A very handy skill set to have 275 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,360 improper meaning to have an actual bonafide producers, 276 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:47,200 that's. Been very handy. 277 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,200 Yeah, like like the guys don't know how much they owe me. 278 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,200 Just kidding. But no, no, no. 279 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,840 It has come at because I produce all proper man stuff, you know, 280 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,040 right to date until I get fired and move on to someone better. 281 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,720 But we'll see what happens. But yeah, I know it's really 282 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,800 cool, but it's like, it's probably not easy to be in a 283 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,040 band with me sometimes because I'm used to had have my fingers 284 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,240 in everything, right? Every part of the process. 285 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,680 Yeah, they just like from producing, yeah. 286 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,640 But I mean, it's turned out pretty good so far, I think. 287 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:16,960 Absolutely. So yeah, yeah, I know. 288 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,600 I really enjoy that aspect of being able to work with everyone 289 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,320 and bring the songs to life. Not that on the reason the songs 290 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:24,480 come to life, but you know what I mean? 291 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:25,200 Right? Yeah. 292 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,040 Yeah. So it's like, it's really fun 293 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,040 because I like control. I'm not a control freak, but 294 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,640 with music, I'm a complete control freak where it needs to 295 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,320 be the certain way that it has to be right. 296 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:35,840 It has to have a sound too. Yeah, yeah. 297 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,760 I think that like any any musician work there like wait 298 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,920 and salt or whatever is, is the same way. 299 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,040 Or at least they should be the same way. 300 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:43,640 They have something that they want, that they're striving 301 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,920 towards. And yeah, I just spent lots of 302 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,800 years in the studio doing doing that with just random bands, 303 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,840 right. And my own projects and stuff, 304 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,160 right. And that's how me and Jay went. 305 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,360 Sorry to bring that full circle. That's how me and Jay met is 306 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,600 because I was producing, producing music full time. 307 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,640 And met Jay and he's well, talk about control freaks. 308 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,960 Jay is a control freak. Yeah, you should have seen him 309 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,080 when I first met him. He's he was just like into 310 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,400 everything, just like like making sure everyone did all 311 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,280 this stuff and I was like, man, I don't even need to be here, 312 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,360 just push a button. It's like Jay's producing it. 313 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,520 Well, it's funny because, I mean, you all, every single 314 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,800 member of this band are leaders in some way, you know, in, in an 315 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,160 aspect, one or two aspects of their life in one way or 316 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,280 another. A lot of leaders. 317 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,000 Has it ever been difficult getting all these personalities 318 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,080 together to collaborate? Has that ever? 319 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,760 Been actually, no. And that's like a shocker 320 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,640 really, because because like bands has always banned politics 321 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,280 and stuff going on. But probably man's been the 322 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,920 easiest band that I've ever been a part of by far because 323 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,760 everyone just kind of like knows their place and does their 324 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,640 stuff. And we're very open with how we 325 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,000 communicate with music and everything. 326 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,800 So yeah, it's like and that's what Jay said from the very 327 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,320 beginning. He always wanted it to be a very 328 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,080 easy, easy band to be in. Then he accomplished that in 329 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,280 spades. It's like, at first it's like, 330 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,080 we just jam every week, right? With no, we didn't know what 331 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,360 we're doing. We're just like writing songs, 332 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,360 recording, and just like, like rehearsing for this place. 333 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,680 I guess eventually, right? Because he always had the vision 334 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,720 to build this right. Did you ever see that vision? 335 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,880 Did you ever say, OK, yeah, I I see it happening? 336 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,160 Or was it always a pipe dream? He talked to me about it and 337 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,240 Jay's crazy with his ideas, so I didn't put it past him to make 338 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:25,960 it. They come to like, become a 339 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,120 reality. But I didn't know it was going 340 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,800 to be this cool and big and everything because yeah, it's 341 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,040 literally the best band to be in. 342 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,880 Because we have every opportunity, like like presented 343 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,280 to us where it's like. And it doesn't mean that all of 344 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,600 a sudden we don't have to work hard and do everything because 345 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,880 there's so much like like further that we can go. 346 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,240 But definitely, what Jay's done for the band is monumental, 347 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,880 Yeah. Is there anything that you 348 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,200 produced in when when you were doing it professionally down in 349 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,320 Vancouver in the music scene? Is there anything that you 350 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,840 produce that that you love to throw out there? 351 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,280 Oh, I'm so proud that I did this. 352 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,080 This is something that I loved. That's being a. 353 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,440 Part of, right? Yeah, Yeah. 354 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,240 There's like a lot of records that I did like in the old, like 355 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,800 early 2000s Cologne scene. I produced Stutterfly. 356 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,920 So they were like the end at the end of getting signed to 357 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,360 Maverick Records and stuff like that. 358 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,360 And then from there there's like the Bleeding Alarm and I don't 359 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,560 even know, like Danny Lovelock. There's there. 360 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,600 I did like hundreds of records over the course of like 10 361 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,600 years. And yeah, like a lot of them 362 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,280 like, like had some success on some level, you know. 363 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,840 But yeah, it's like Bleeding Alarm turned into Secret 364 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:30,720 Whisper. Sorry, not. 365 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,760 Well, the Bleeding Alarm instead of Fly turned into Secret 366 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,440 Whisper and they were there and they like were on a Tooth and 367 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,840 Nail records and it did record for them and stuff. 368 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,800 But yeah, it's like, for some reason guys came to me to do 369 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,080 like the hardcore records. Yeah, because I like having 370 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,160 music, but I like melody at the same time, right, Right. 371 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:48,360 Yeah. So it's kind of funny that it's 372 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,320 recording all these screening bands, but it's able to bring an 373 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,560 aspect of Melody into the their stuff. 374 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,880 I think about some of the producers that have have made 375 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:02,560 some of the the best, you know, hard music albums and they all 376 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,720 have massive, massive quality and depth. 377 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:08,280 Totally. And that's, I think that's what 378 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,599 makes, you know, Yeah, yeah, that's. 379 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:16,960 It's fascinating to me to to use technology to build a song, 380 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,040 right. You know and stuff. 381 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,319 It's like back in the day like well it's when I was young I 382 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:22,480 just had a four track tape recorder and that's how I cut my 383 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,200 teeth on recording. I'd get like 1216 tracks. 384 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,359 I'd just 4 tracks by bouncing, layering. 385 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,680 After I graduated, I I like I I just spent like a year in my 386 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,000 room on my 4 track recorder and I was like you got to get a job 387 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,680 what are you doing? You're doing this music all day, 388 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,840 but then he's the one that's like, hey, if you want to do 389 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,880 this, I'll support you in anything you want to do and. 390 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:40,960 How amazing. Is that. 391 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,360 Oh yeah, I know. I'm very, very fortunate to have 392 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:46,400 had the parents that I had to. To just support. 393 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:47,120 Me. Whatever. 394 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:50,480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because my dad's a pretty like, 395 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,640 like he can very hands on, he can build anything, fix 396 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,600 anything, do stuff like that. He's actually a great musician 397 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,440 as well. But he told me when I was 398 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:02,200 younger, He's like, he's like, I know you're not like me and but 399 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,840 I I accept that and I realized that and it's amazing and I'll 400 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,400 support you in anything you want to do, right. 401 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,680 So they just like, allowed me to pursue music as much as I 402 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:12,800 wanted. You're a parent. 403 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,480 Yeah, yeah, my parents did. Yeah, no, no, but you are a. 404 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:16,760 Parent. Oh yes, I have a parent as well. 405 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,440 Yeah, yeah, I've got a 21 year old son named Josh. 406 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,040 Wow. Yeah, he's going to school now, 407 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,920 actually in Victoria for a video production. 408 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:30,240 You got a 21 year old video production, so and funny that, 409 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,520 not funny, but you know similar. The apple doesn't fall far from 410 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:34,640 the tree. Yeah, totally. 411 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,480 Yeah, for sure. And did you give him that same 412 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,080 what your dad gave you in that freedom? 413 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,280 Yeah, 100% You. You were the same. 414 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:43,640 Yeah, the same opportunity, right? 415 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:44,960 Yeah. It's like, I just want him to be 416 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,120 happy and and pursue whatever he wants to, right? 417 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,480 He actually went into school for Accounting 1st and then just 418 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:50,720 found out that it wasn't for him. 419 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,080 But yeah, well, that's what life's all about, is doing what 420 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,680 you want him. That makes you happy, right? 421 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,360 That's what I think, man. Well, and and this is part of 422 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:00,920 the reason why he changed, it exists as we've got this. 423 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,920 You know, there's a, there's a, there's an entire almost. 424 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:07,040 It's a generation and then there's the generation before 425 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,480 and the generation after who are affected by this generation. 426 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,560 But there's this generation of guys who many of which, and I 427 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:14,640 think this will ring true to you. 428 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,800 I mean you grew up in similar geographic areas for sure. 429 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,640 I mean, you know, where guys were kind of told OK, either go 430 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,640 to school, you know, get a get a good job with some good 431 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,040 benefits, you know, connect the dots that that that that we want 432 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,440 you to connect that society tells you to. 433 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:30,840 Connect. Yeah, exactly. 434 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,240 And then you end up later on in life not being fulfilled and not 435 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,840 knowing why. We wonder why there's so many, 436 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:38,960 you know, mental health issues out there, and it's because guys 437 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,240 aren't necessarily living their purpose. 438 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,560 Exactly. Yeah, for sure. 439 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,600 So, So yeah, I'm very grateful that my parents gave me the 440 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,560 opportunity to do. They supported me and whatever I 441 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,960 wanted to do, it was hockey. Hockey took away from my music a 442 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,840 lot of the time, right? Playing rap and and traveling 443 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,280 all the time and stuff. But yeah, yeah, just to have 444 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,200 that freedom that my parents supporting whatever, like they 445 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,360 never once said you need to go to college, you need to get this 446 00:19:58,360 --> 00:19:59,880 degree. It's like I went to music 447 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:01,480 college, right, And got my degree in piano. 448 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,320 But like, but that was that was my choice And it was never like 449 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,440 hey, you need to doctor or something or like anything like 450 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:09,800 that. They just totally just like open 451 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,360 the door and be like, hey do whatever you want to. 452 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,280 And that was a crazy amount of freedom and led me into the 453 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,760 crazy music industry. Which at times get super crazy 454 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,160 and like just whatever, right? It's like it's a different, 455 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,440 different lifestyle recording bands because bed bands are on 456 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,360 vacation whenever they come to work with you, right? 457 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,480 Most of them have day jobs around there, right? 458 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,040 Than they. So it's a pretty big party 459 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:33,520 scene. Yeah, I was going to, I was 460 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,280 going to say, probably learn a lot of lessons. 461 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:37,240 Yeah, totally. Yeah. 462 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:40,320 Wish I never would have learned, but yeah. 463 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:41,760 Like what? What's some things? 464 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,120 Oh, just like getting into substances and stuff like that. 465 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:48,840 And yeah, things like that. That it's like Zagreb, straight 466 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,320 edge in the church. And then when I when I started 467 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,600 to record, it's like be like I never even touched alcohol till 468 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,840 I was 21 and everything like that because I was super 469 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,960 strange. But it's like I definitely 470 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:02,640 made-up for lost time with bands, jumped into the deep. 471 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:03,920 Yeah. And that's not something that, 472 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,840 that I'm like stoked or proud to say, right. 473 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,040 You know, it's like, it's just, it's just the way that my life 474 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,400 went and I was a little bit naive to a lot of stuff because 475 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,800 I was so sheltered as a kid, right? 476 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:17,000 And and then that's the thing. I grew up, I had all the freedom 477 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,520 I wanted, like like when I was in my late teens and stuff with 478 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:20,760 my parents with what they led me to do. 479 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,480 But they totally sheltered me from everything. 480 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,160 And I'm very thankful for it at the same time. 481 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:29,920 And I think it wasn't the right thing at sometimes, right? 482 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,120 Because because it protects you from everything and then also 483 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:36,320 you're thrown into it, right? So, OK, I'm just doing a little 484 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,440 bit of quick math in my head and bear with me because I'm not 485 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,360 very good at math. So you got a 21 year old and you 486 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:46,120 were in the music business during his formative years? 487 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,400 Yeah, yeah. That's when I started the 488 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,640 studio. Well, he did something, Didn't 489 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,480 really get into it till like a few years down the road, right 490 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,120 when I started to do bigger bands and and like everything, I 491 00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:57,720 did it full time. I didn't know what I was doing. 492 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,880 It's the only reason that I got into recording in the 1st place 493 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,120 was because I wanted to. I wanted to make better 494 00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:05,520 recordings of my own music and the four track recorder wasn't 495 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,240 cutting it. So I was like, OK, well if I can 496 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,520 figure out that, I can figure out something else. 497 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:13,000 So yeah, I just kind of just like like Dovin Head 1st and did 498 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,080 that and then it kind of grew from there with with the 499 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,000 production and the bands like that. 500 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,040 And then, yeah. And then you start to work with 501 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,960 all sorts of characters in the music industry, right? 502 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:23,680 Yeah. Yeah. 503 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,640 And stuff like that. Like, thankfully that's all 504 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,360 behind me now, right? What did you do to get it behind 505 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:29,800 you? Was it just a wake up call one 506 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,280 day? Was there actual like, did did 507 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,560 professionals have to get involved? 508 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,720 And yeah. Well it's like how much time you 509 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,200 got. That's a that's a that's a huge 510 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,480 story, right? Because like, well, I it's a 511 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,680 proper man was like the start of me kind of coming out of all 512 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,040 that stuff because I I was producing full time. 513 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,000 Like like, yeah, yeah, I know 100% like I was producing full 514 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,520 time like six days a week, spending 10 hours a day in the 515 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,800 studio. My entire life was was just like 516 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,600 kind of passing me by. It seemed like because I was 517 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,280 living as I was enjoying it but it was just all consuming. 518 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,920 It's like when you produce a record it's all you think about. 519 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,480 And and I was married at the time back then and that that. 520 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,280 It's like that marriage with the way the dinosaur and I was 521 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,240 living in Vancouver. Something's got to give. 522 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,600 Yeah. And I was just like Ki got to 523 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:13,880 change something. So I was like, I'm going to just 524 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,320 take a step back from producing and come back here and it's 525 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,800 like, yeah, it's like, but I just like made a conscious 526 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,160 decision to to stop. But like, like like partying 527 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,960 like that. Because it was, it was like a 528 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,280 lot of things I'm allowed to say substances on the air or 529 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,360 whatever. But yeah, yeah, I know. 530 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:33,000 It's like, it's it's pretty crazy because I started to get 531 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,640 mental issues. Well, some people would say now 532 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,400 I still have mental issues, but not only good ones, right? 533 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,760 But no, it's like back then it's like I was, I was, I was seeing 534 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,400 a psychiatrist and I was just like getting thrown rooftop 535 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,440 doses of like benzos, like clonazepam and Xanax and Valium. 536 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,280 I was only like, serious rooftop doses of those ones. 537 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,360 It's weird if we didn't talk about this now because it seems 538 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:56,880 like a lifetime ago, right? But I was also addicted to 539 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,080 Oxycontin because I had three shoulder surgeries and then and 540 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,840 and I was all prescribed by my doctor. 541 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,080 But I was like, I was like super deep into Oxy. 542 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,840 You said the worst thing in the world. 543 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,240 That's like the fucking devil. Sorry. 544 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,200 No, no, no, that's OK. I swear but but no, it's like 545 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,560 and rooftop doses of clasp and I shouldn't even be alive right 546 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,000 now with all the medication as being like like prescribed. 547 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:21,720 OK, coming off that must have also been a journey too, because 548 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,720 you know, that's your body gets the tolerance levels, goes up 549 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,840 and gets used to it. The addictive qualities, never 550 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,360 mind any of that stuff. And wow, so you made a decision. 551 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,320 Yeah, because I knew that and it was going to kill me. 552 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,000 Yeah. And that's where kind of proper 553 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,640 man ties in because when I first moved back from Vancouver, I 554 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,160 was, I was insanely addicted to Oxycontin and and and like 555 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,480 Valium and Xanax and all all that sort of stuff. 556 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,120 And I just quit the Valium, Xanax, cold Turkey and then and 557 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:52,160 then went on like methadone to get off of Oxy, Oxycontin. 558 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,520 But it was like literally a year and a half of like, not 559 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,800 sleeping, not anything. It's like and that's when I 560 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,200 first reconnected with Jay is when I came back here and he was 561 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,600 like such a like like a help to me with that. 562 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,280 Because he just like opened his house up to me. 563 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,760 And I remember countless nights at his old place just like this, 564 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,920 being awake and totally withdrawing and stuff. 565 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,160 Because even after you get over withdrawals and do stuff, it 566 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,560 still effects you mentally right? 567 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,280 But I just decided that I want to go cold Turkey off of off of 568 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,440 benzos and then we myself down like like 10 times quicker than 569 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,400 the doctors thought that I could have like with methadone from 570 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,360 the Oxycontin because. Because I wanted to get off it 571 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:29,000 so bad. Right. 572 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,040 So I did that and and the doctor kept saying no, no, you can't, 573 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,480 you can't cut off this that that quickly. 574 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:35,760 You're going to fail. You're just going to relapse 575 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:36,840 stuff. But I I did it. 576 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,560 The doctor said you're going to relapse. 577 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,640 Because of because I, because I asked him to cut, cut down like 578 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,600 like the methadone so fast. Yeah, it's weird for me to talk 579 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,280 about this, especially on camera, because people are going 580 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:47,480 to think I'm. Fucking crazy. 581 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,400 No, no, no. Because there's OK. 582 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,120 I mean you know we're talking about he changed it and all this 583 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,440 and and and we're doing this special he cast a presentation 584 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,520 on proper men. Right. 585 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,920 Focusing on on all of you. But we have done you know quite 586 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,280 a few podcasts with people like there's this group called Mom 587 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,880 Stop the Harm and and and and it's it's about exactly what 588 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,640 you're talking about. Goosebumps, as you're saying 589 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,840 this because there are so many people but but men in general, 590 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,000 there's so many men. That and it and and for many of 591 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,520 them it started from a shoulder injury. 592 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,280 It started. From. 593 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,440 And then they end up and and and and you know, they end up going 594 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,120 through the medical system. The medical system then says, 595 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,280 OK, well now it's time to stop. Yeah, exactly. 596 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,760 And then you're like, what the hell? 597 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,680 And they go on the street. Yeah, exactly. 598 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,160 And I'm I'm very thankful that I didn't. 599 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,880 I had friends that I knew that end up then going to heroin and 600 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,160 stuff like that, but. And right now, with heroin, you 601 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,680 look at fentanyl, the fentanyl crisis. 602 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,440 Totally. And people are being, and it's 603 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,320 not even overdosing, it's being poisoned. 604 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,040 Like like there's a lot of dudes right now that, as you started 605 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,440 talking about this, have perked up. 606 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,760 Yeah, No, totally because. Many of them are in denial. 607 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,800 Many of them have families. Like, it's not the, it's not the 608 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,200 stereotypical person that that you would think, Like when you 609 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,080 and I were growing up and people were saying, Oh yeah, there's a 610 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:00,880 there's someone who's addicted to drugs on the street. 611 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,440 The profile of that person was given totally different, right? 612 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,600 Yeah, completely. And there's a stereotype there 613 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,120 and all of that. But there's a lot of guys that 614 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:13,040 are quietly, you know, you talk about people who are closet 615 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,280 Alcoholics. There's a lot of closet drug 616 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,440 dealer or drug users. Out there for. 617 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,000 Sure. And and and you talking about 618 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,440 this, like from what I'm hearing, Travis, it's like, you 619 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,240 know, you hear the, the phrase, there's nothing more powerful 620 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,840 than a made-up mind. Yeah, right. 621 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,960 Yeah, totally. And you defied. 622 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:31,880 That's the thing. Yeah, exactly right. 623 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,000 It's like I decided that that wasn't going to be the rest of 624 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,360 my life, right? What's What made you What is? 625 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,800 I apologize, But what? What made you get over the hump 626 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,080 just to make that decision, to say no, I want to make the 627 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,440 change. Was there an event that 628 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,080 happened? Was it something where you just 629 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,360 woke up one day and you're like, no, I need to, I need to change 630 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:48,960 this. Well, well, the first event with 631 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,520 Oxy is that I went to my doctor and he said I'm getting audited 632 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,360 by the pharmaceutical board here and we could guy got to cut 633 00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:58,720 everyone off because I guess he was prescribing over prescribing 634 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,520 a lot of people, right as as many doctors do. 635 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,600 So then I was like what the heck. 636 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,440 So I got cut down from like like 300, like like milligrams of Oxy 637 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,080 every single day. Like like to. 638 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,040 That's a. Lot, right. 639 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:10,400 Yeah. That's. 640 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,640 That's like a lot. It's like, and if you mix those 641 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,360 as benzos, it's like that's what stops your respiratory system 642 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,800 when you can die. It's like my friends like, like, 643 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,080 like that you're totally going to die. 644 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,520 And I was like, what? I'm invincible. 645 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,640 But, but but yeah, it's like the whole thing started because 646 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,960 because I couldn't get get Oxy pro pain anymore. 647 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,520 And then I moved to Vancouver and I and I was still in music 648 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,760 industry and stuff like that. But then it's functioning. 649 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,600 Yeah, exactly. But then it's like just came to 650 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,600 the point I was like, hey, I got to just stop all this stuff. 651 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,360 So that's when I quit Benzos cold Turkey. 652 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,880 Worst idea ever. And but but anyways it's like I 653 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,480 just knew that I had to make a change or nothing was going to 654 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,160 happen. But that's the messed up thing. 655 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,760 It was very scary because I was put on on Benzos because like, 656 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,480 well, I have maybe I had or do don't have any more. 657 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,520 If it's different now it's different but I've got like I 658 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,200 had an anxiety disorder, right? Like severe anxiety. 659 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,480 That's why they threw Claspan at me and stuff like that. 660 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,280 I just kept going up and up and up and it worked but turned me 661 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,040 into a zombie right. I was just like just waking up 662 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,480 and sedating myself every day right. 663 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,040 And so and and and I continued on like I was still prescribed 664 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,720 like all the Benzos after after like like I stopped Oxy, right. 665 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,560 And was getting off that. But it's like I was just like 666 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,080 why the hell am I selling these things. 667 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,920 But I didn't realize at the time that I actually needed those for 668 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,400 some sort of a thing before because I was prescribing for a 669 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,320 reason. But I associated them all 670 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,840 together like like like like opiates and and benzos and 671 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,240 everything. That was just one thing that I 672 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,600 just wanted to go away. So yeah, it's like now. 673 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,400 That was, like I said 70 years ago, that it stopped. 674 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,160 And it was, it was hell. I would never stand on where 675 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,000 we're standing. Me, right? 676 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,120 Well, let's talk about the people that that that, that. 677 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,840 I mean, you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy. 678 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,880 Somebody who's hearing this, somebody who maybe hasn't made 679 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,080 that decision yet, they haven't come to grips with where they're 680 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,240 at. I mean, obviously there's a 681 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,600 moment where you came to grips with it. 682 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,000 You realize and. To. 683 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,400 Bull by the horns and with others. 684 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,040 With the support of others, Jay. It sounds like there's people in 685 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,640 your life that Jay. Was huge, supported you. 686 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,680 My family was super huge and everything like that, right? 687 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,680 And it's like, yeah, yeah, I had, I had a really good support 688 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,560 system. But it's like, Jay tells me, 689 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:14,880 he's like, he's like, you did it yourself. 690 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,520 You had to do it yourself or it never would have happened. 691 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,040 And I was like, well, but I was able to do it myself because I 692 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,080 had like amazing friends like you around and stuff like that, 693 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,200 right? Yeah. 694 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,600 And it, yeah, it wasn't easy, but it's like, I feel like I 695 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,920 names of sounds like I climbed the Mount Everest of like, 696 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,240 problems in my life. If I can get through that, then, 697 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,720 then it's like I look at my life now, playing a proper man and 698 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,560 like like running a teaching studio and and everything. 699 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,920 I'm married again of an amazing wife and amazing step kids and 700 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,200 amazing son myself. Still, it's like I should have 701 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,640 been dead in a ditch like 10 years ago. 702 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,000 Like not a word of life or living on Hastings, whatever, 703 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,600 shooting up. But I never let myself go to 704 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,840 that place because I knew that's where I'd end up and it's made a 705 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,920 decision in my mind, even though I knew I'd have very detrimental 706 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,680 mental effects on my head, Right. 707 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,000 Yeah, It's like because I still have anxiety, so it's like that. 708 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,000 But I'm learning to deal with that in my head as opposed to 709 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,560 getting medicated for it, right? Let's get to the anxiety in a 710 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,080 second because I think it's gotten faster and more complex 711 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,520 and and and and harder. You know, like when we were 712 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,520 growing up, like my my parents, my, my mom was kind of the the 713 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,840 last generation of of the mom that didn't work. 714 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,440 Right, Yeah. That she stayed home, you know 715 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,040 the you know, but we saw that in our lives. 716 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,280 We saw when the breakdown of the marriage of of of so many of our 717 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,560 friends, if it wasn't our parents, our friends, parents 718 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,240 and things like that. You know, two parent households, 719 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,280 latchkey kids, all of that kind of stuff, right? 720 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,320 And it's only gotten more complex since then. 721 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,480 There people if there's anxiety, there's reason to have anxiety. 722 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,760 Now is a good time to do it. But before before we get there 723 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,160 and how you're dealing with it now for guys who might be 724 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,400 dealing with some of the stuff that you're talking about here, 725 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,920 do you have any advice? Do you have any words of wisdom, 726 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,840 anything that that that made you feel more empowered to help you 727 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,400 get through that situation? It's like, well, yeah, that's a 728 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,320 very broad question, right? Sure. 729 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,680 Because there's so many things that that went on in my life, 730 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,200 but I just, I decided one day, it's like, do I want to live my 731 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,040 life? I was always very afraid of 732 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,280 dying, right? And afraid of not being able to 733 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,280 live my life out. And I decided that I want to 734 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,280 live and not die. So you asked yourself that 735 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:20,840 question. Yeah. 736 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,240 You didn't just think you are invincible? 737 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,280 Do I want to live? Yeah, I used to think I was 738 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,760 invincible when I was. When I was was was kind of deep 739 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,080 in everything, right? And it's like, yeah, the benzos 740 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,240 help with my anxiety, stuff like that. 741 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,320 But I knew I was on to like a downward spiral, right? 742 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,040 Like path to that was going to not end well. 743 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,000 So it's like that was the main thing. 744 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,280 I was like, I want to live my life. 745 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,280 So the awareness of knowing what you wanted, yeah, was big. 746 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,600 Yeah, yeah. And I and I got got a divorce 747 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,400 from my from my other wife then or like we we are separated. 748 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,320 And I was just like I got to make a change here because that 749 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,760 that relationship was whatever it was it was never right in the 750 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,000 1st place. But I was like hey I need to 751 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,240 stop producing because I'm involved in this their scene 752 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,120 that's not helping me do any better right. 753 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,800 So you can't move yourself from the from it. 754 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,240 And and I took a couple of years off of of like like working 755 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,080 essentially and and and and decided OK I'm going to live my 756 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,360 life. I'm going to be an old grandpa 757 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,720 and see my grandkids one day instead of instead of whatever 758 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,080 just living for myself because it's very easy to just stay on 759 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,840 medication that you're given. Right. 760 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,800 It's it's easy UIL. And there I'm sure it helps a 761 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,960 lot of people help me in whatever way that it did. 762 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,680 But it's like too much of a good thing maybe or something. 763 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,080 You know what I mean? But yeah. 764 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,440 Yeah. It's it's like like the main 765 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,440 thing was that I just, I just decided that I didn't that this 766 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,360 what wasn't going to be the rest of my life. 767 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,600 It would have been a short one. It was well, and it was a lot of 768 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,840 work to get to that place. Yeah, exactly. 769 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,040 A lot. Of pain, all of that. 770 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,760 Everything that you went through, every second. 771 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,160 Of of withdrawal, whether it was physical, whether it was 772 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,440 emotional. Yeah. 773 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,400 Was it worth it? Yeah. 774 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,360 Oh, totally. Yeah. 775 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,400 It's like, like I said, I wouldn't wish that I'm a worst 776 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,920 enemy. That was the hardest thing I've 777 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,960 ever done in my life. It's like, but it was worth 778 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,160 every second of it. But it was impossible in time. 779 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,040 It's like the the feelings don't go away. 780 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,320 The lack of sleep doesn't go away. 781 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,239 You just it's the the feelings are indescribable. 782 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,840 And that's what the worst thing about being on Lake Lake Lake 783 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,480 Benzil is that you get so accustomed to it, right, right 784 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,480 and and everything. But it's like I was I had come 785 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,639 down from everything but it was worth every second. 786 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,400 And it's totally possible to do because I'm not on any any 787 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,679 medication like that now because I because I'm not well, 788 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,400 actually. Sorry, I'm on gabapentin, which 789 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,880 is off label. That's like a supplement. 790 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,560 Yeah, it's like off label, like like a treated health food store 791 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,560 for for anxiety, but it's it's for like nerve pain, but it's 792 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,360 used off label for anxiety. But it's not a narcotic or 793 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,440 anything. No, you get that at a health 794 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,800 food store. Yeah, exactly. 795 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,400 Yeah, yeah. And that totally changed things 796 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,440 around for me, too. Yeah. 797 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,639 Again, the crazy stuff about how that's helped me because when I 798 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,239 went like cool, took of everything, I got my life back. 799 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,080 But then I started to feel my mind start, start to go away, 800 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,920 right? And I would, I would like, yeah, 801 00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,800 I don't even know if you want to get into random stuff. 802 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,720 Whatever you want. Absolutely no, no, no. 803 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:03,520 No. Yeah it's it's pretty crazy 804 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,440 stuff but I would like start to block out and and like I 805 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,200 wouldn't remember things and it didn't know. 806 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,640 It's like I would just like almost lose my mind because I've 807 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:16,200 got a very overactive imagination or mind where like 808 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,640 like I can't control my mind sometimes. 809 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,080 That's how the benzos help me, right? 810 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,840 Is because I was able to, is because they calm me. 811 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,040 Down and you could kind of focus. 812 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,880 It yeah and but it's like, but when I went off of them then I 813 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,000 started to get back to normal but then I started my mind 814 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,200 started just go crazy. They don't even know where it 815 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,840 actually went. And and it just in the past 816 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,200 couple years I've been able to kind of get that under control. 817 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,040 Under control, which it it scares me a little bit because, 818 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,760 but it doesn't because I know that that where I'm at now is 819 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,840 exactly where I need to be. Yeah, man, that makes the. 820 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,120 Journey that makes Yeah you've the journey you have taken is. 821 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,440 Yeah, it's been crazy. Is is nuts but. 822 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:58,440 Excuse me? But and and you're teaching now 823 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,880 and all these things and I just want to say thank you for, for 824 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,400 opening up about this stuff because for sure you're also 825 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,360 obviously teaching scratches an itch for you. 826 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,640 Obviously you enjoy that. Yeah, I do for sure. 827 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,160 You know, you're the element of the band. 828 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,480 You know, it's it's not the control part but the creativity 829 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,120 part and being able to. Create. 830 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,800 Yeah. It really is the creativity and 831 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,240 stuff, yeah. So it's cool to see that right 832 00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:18,800 now you're doing that by telling your story. 833 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,600 Yeah. To people who hear this. 834 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,120 Right. So thank you for that. 835 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,240 That that is my. Pleasure. 836 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,080 What a, what a journey. And and now you have anxiety now 837 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,680 and and and obviously there are stepping stones that can lead 838 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,680 down bad paths. Yeah, you've been down those 839 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,080 paths. You've come back and are now 840 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,160 down a different path. Yeah. 841 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,720 How do you deal with anxiety now? 842 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,720 Well, I just deal with it in my head, I guess. 843 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,400 I don't know. It's it's like I I used to like 844 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,120 listen to like podcasts that like calming things like like I 845 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,720 don't know just like noises stuff like that that seems 846 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,680 really weird but it's like I don't know I I was trying to 847 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,520 listen and align my mind down. But one of the ways that I deal 848 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,920 with with anxiety now and if I can say it is, is through a 849 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,360 weed. Yeah, but I don't smoke during 850 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,520 the day at all. But all all they like have a 851 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,440 joint at night and it just like because after teaching like a 852 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,720 bunch of students hope my student's parents don't see 853 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,040 this. But teaching it, it's like 854 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,600 you're elevated. It's like you need, just like 855 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,360 time. And by the way, this is what 856 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,800 it's for. Even before it was 857 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,600 decriminalized, medicinal was fine. 858 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:21,840 Too, like, yeah, yeah. And I and I didn't say it's like 859 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,200 I've never been like a pot smoker, but I started, I like 860 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,440 over the past like three or four years, I've just just started to 861 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,680 use it as a natural anti anxiety sort of a thing. 862 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,480 And it's, it's totally changed my life, right. 863 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,480 I've got a routine where it's like it's just like it's it's 864 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,000 enabled me to not need the benzos right, which is 865 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,320 phenomenal and stuff. I'm. 866 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,920 Still a bit of like I'm a I'm a case, I guess. 867 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:46,840 I don't know. You're not. 868 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,000 No, I don't. I don't think so. 869 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,880 I think that's, I think that's how we all are negotiating our 870 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,800 way through life. And but the key here is you're 871 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,880 actually talking about it where so many men. 872 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,240 Yeah. Don't right where we've been 873 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:04,920 taught not to talk about no sure to quote UN quote man up right 874 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,040 and. It's really weird not even 875 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,480 talking about it, like I didn't think was getting talk about it, 876 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,440 but whatever, it's totally fine obviously, right? 877 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,160 But it's like I didn't help people, but obviously it's like 878 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,960 I don't. I've talked to my wife about in 879 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,960 my family and that's it for me to talk about anything like 880 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,600 this. Now with you, obviously, I know 881 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,040 you bet from here, but it's not like we're old Bros, right? 882 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,120 And I didn't tell you anything. But the reason I'm talking about 883 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,040 is because I feel it's very important because if there's 884 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,880 people that were there, that's a cliche thing to say whatever, 885 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,520 right? But it's totally it's totally 886 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,840 fucking true. If you're if you're in that 887 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,560 stuff, there's a way out of it, and it does. 888 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,960 It doesn't mean that that you're trapped in that thing. 889 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,440 People think their minds are so messed up. 890 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,520 Like try living in mine, like mine for like a couple weeks. 891 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,640 You'll realize how fucking normal you are. 892 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,320 Maybe right. Or maybe. 893 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,840 Or maybe more the same than we than we give. 894 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,840 Ourselves credit for sometimes, Yeah, exactly. 895 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,280 Yeah. But everyone's got issues in 896 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,640 their head. Yes, and and and and they seem 897 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,520 unmanageable or or like impossible to to deal with 898 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,640 because you don't understand it. The problem with the mental mind 899 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,880 in my opinion is that it's it's part of you and it's happening 900 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,960 and it's hard to get outside of the box and be like, no, you 901 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,520 don't need to think this way or it's like recite yourself. 902 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,440 And that was the scariest thing for me, getting off those 903 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,360 things. But I was so I was so like like 904 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,800 drugged up, for lack of a better word when I was in it. 905 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,200 I didn't realize until I get off and I was like, oh, I got to 906 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:27,000 deal with life in and like I have to actually confront my, 907 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,120 my, my, my mind and my situations and stuff, right. 908 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,720 And but that's a very. Deal with it as opposed to as 909 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:33,480 opposed to. Ignore it. 910 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,640 Exactly. I'm going to deal with it. 911 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,600 Yeah, because the easiest thing, it's like, oh, I've got anxiety, 912 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,120 I've got all these things. It's like, yeah, just pop a 913 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,480 pill. It's like, yeah, that puts a 914 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,400 Band-Aid on like a open wound. That's not going to heal until 915 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,200 you keep on doing that every single day, right? 916 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,080 And we hide that stuff. Let's see. 917 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,160 That's the difference in what you're doing right now and what 918 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,680 you were doing then. Right now you're not hiding 919 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:50,680 anything. You talk about no. 920 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,920 Gabba, help me a little bit of pot helps me talking about it 921 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,640 with friends helps me being in the band. 922 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,240 I'm going to get back to the band here in a second too, 923 00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,880 because, I mean, I got goosebumps right now. 924 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,400 I'm so glad that we didn't do these interviews with the other 925 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,680 bandmates here. I'm glad we did them separate 926 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:11,640 because all of you have talked about how this band has helped 927 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,240 with. Other stuff, whatever that other 928 00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:19,760 stuff might might, might be and and and clearly, I mean, you 929 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:20,960 know, whatever you want to call it. 930 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:26,120 God, the universe, whatever. As you were going through this, 931 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,680 this, this, this very difficult transition, obviously things of 932 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,520 support, methods of support, tools of support were being 933 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,720 thrown your way. Safe to say I'm not. 934 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:38,200 I'm not, you know, I'm not putting words in your mouth by 935 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,560 saying proper man is one of the ways that you can help keep your 936 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,560 mind, like focused and like. It's like, it's a very good 937 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,200 possibility that proper man saved my life because like, like 938 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,200 and I'm not saying that that definitely, but it's like 939 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,280 because I was at the crossroads and I just like, hey, I don't 940 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,080 even know what I'm doing, but I'm changing my life. 941 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,800 And that's when Jay came back into my life and that's when 942 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,160 that that's what led me here and to like the best place would 943 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,880 ever be in my life. And I couldn't have. 944 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,280 Well, I don't I can't say I couldn't have done it. 945 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,200 Jay always says yeah it's always you you that did everything. 946 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:14,560 But I know that that that's the huge reason of why I'm here 947 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,200 because my entire life has shifted and the people you hang 948 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,840 around with right and everything to have to have support of 949 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,280 people like that and like I said my family obviously too and 950 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,840 everything right. But but I don't know where I'd 951 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,480 be if I it wasn't proper man. Because proper man led me down 952 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,840 this path right when I was like at the crossroads, you know, So 953 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,480 yeah, and it allows you. And it allows you, I apologize 954 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:35,920 for. Interrupt. 955 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,480 No, not all. It allows you to use your gifts 956 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,200 like, yeah, exactly. Like you're not a record 957 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,440 producer anymore, producing in the, you know, life in the fast 958 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,160 lane, in the Bank of our music scene and all that. 959 00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:47,240 But you're producing something that is really precious and 960 00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:50,120 important to you and to and to and to your bandmates and stuff. 961 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,000 So you still get to use those. Yeah, it's exactly. 962 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,520 It's very close to me because I don't produce that much anymore, 963 00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:58,280 but I've found being able to find a balance. 964 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,640 I still do like two or three like records a year in the 965 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,080 summertime when I'm not teaching stuff. 966 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,720 But proper man's always there and it kind of like it. 967 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,120 It gives me the like, the craving that I need to produce 968 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,840 music. I love producing bands, I love 969 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,320 working with music and transforming things and 970 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,560 everything, but proper man gives me the ability to do that 971 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,560 without burning myself out. And so I teach and I do stuff 972 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,080 around there, but I I've got a really good balance in my life 973 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,320 now. And that problem has a huge part 974 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:23,880 of that. Yeah. 975 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,280 And that's very like top tip of the iceberg sort of thing for me 976 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,440 to say because it goes way deeper than that, right. 977 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,280 But it's it's the guys in proper, man. 978 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,000 It's everything, you know. It's the it's the friendships. 979 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,960 It's I I've got had a stability in my head, which I I know has 980 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,640 helped me kind of get through the like issues that it makes me 981 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,720 calmer in my mind. Like to have this sort of thing 982 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:46,880 that you and and like guys were like brothers, you know, to like 983 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,640 to work with every, every week or whatever. 984 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,440 You play so many shows and everything, you know, It's like 985 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,280 I'm not just kind of just like lost in a studio somewhere, just 986 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,240 like constantly my mind overblown with the music and and 987 00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:01,240 turning to other things to like turn calm it down. 988 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:04,000 It's like I've got, I've got balance now and without proper 989 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,440 man, I don't know. That is. 990 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:07,960 It's huge to me. Yeah. 991 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,480 Profound, yeah. And but it's the guys in proper, 992 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,160 man. It's not just some random band, 993 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,280 right? You know, Like I said, it's like 994 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,840 like like Jay and Christie when they they helped me out. 995 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,400 They opened their house up to me when I was at the lowest point 996 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,320 of my life because I felt like I was crazy back then. 997 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,640 Like like when I do and quit in the quit in the music industry, 998 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,320 I've got like constantly artists trying to call me to do 999 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,160 something. It's like nice. 1000 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,840 I got to do it for me and then to have Jay and Christie kind of 1001 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,200 realize I was going through, I wasn't a very good house guest 1002 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,960 sometimes, you know, like like I didn't do anything bad. 1003 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,240 It tracks their house or anything like that. 1004 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,400 But it's like but it's like to help someone. 1005 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,160 It's a vulnerable place. Going through it, but yeah, 1006 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,240 exactly. But I but I had no one else you 1007 00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:47,280 know like like that that that would help me with it. 1008 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,520 Right. And without even saying 1009 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,000 anything, Jake, to help me like they can spun my life around to 1010 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,960 where I'm at now and that's that's something I can never 1011 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,920 even think I'm up for, right? Because well you are. 1012 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,120 You are. And when you look at the, when 1013 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,400 you look at the output of of of creativity that proper man is 1014 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,520 we're going to get to blood less in a second here. 1015 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:16,120 But you know, I it's very clear that the priorities of the 1016 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,680 bandmates is the lives of the band mates. 1st 900% and. 1017 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,080 Then the music is second, but the music I think has a deeper, 1018 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,920 richer quality to it because of the priorities of the no, for 1019 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,040 sure would you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. 1020 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,000 I agree for sure you've. Seen a lot of bands in your 1021 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:34,800 life? Yeah, Yeah. 1022 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,160 You know, and I've never I've I've played playing quite a few 1023 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,320 bands and dealt with bands all the time, but I've never been in 1024 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,560 a band like Proper Man. It's It is exactly what you 1025 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,120 mean, because everyone cares about each other. 1026 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,400 We're all like, whatever, a little bit older and like for 1027 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,240 now, like 18 year olds trying to conquer the world around me by 1028 00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:51,600 going on tour in a van, Right. But dumb. 1029 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,920 But yeah, it's definitely, it's a it's a brotherhood, right? 1030 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,160 Whatever you want to call it. We're not a cult, though. 1031 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,840 No, gosh, but I mean, I wish. I'd be the leader of a cult. 1032 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,120 You know, you have this. You know, we talk hockey. 1033 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,160 You're also a giant hockey fan. I'm a giant hockey fan. 1034 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,880 We both like American teams, even though we were born in 1035 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,520 Western Canada. We both like, you're a 1036 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,440 Blackhawks guy, I'm a Kings guy. We talk about home ice 1037 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,000 advantage. Only modern day dynasty in the 1038 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,080 NHL. You can say that. 1039 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:25,480 Well, I don't think the Kings are. 1040 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,960 It's funny, yeah. Two cups in, two cups in 10 1041 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,400 years. This is a dynasty. 1042 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,320 You're 3 and 10. 3:00 and 6:00. Three and six, yeah. 1043 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:32,960 Right, man. Yeah. 1044 00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:34,000 No. That's right. 1045 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,240 The the Hawks are, you know, Yeah. 1046 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:37,920 They used to be good, never bought. 1047 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:38,880 Them. Well, it's time to. 1048 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,280 Sorry, I totally cut you off. Now you loved Debbie Savard 1049 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,840 growing up, though. You loved 100%. 1050 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:43,560 Me too. I see. 1051 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:44,280 I loved. I loved. 1052 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,760 Makita. Like, great. 1053 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,120 Stuff. So that's really when I was 1054 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,560 young. But yeah, yes, very Makita and 1055 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:50,920 all the. Don't don't worry, you're not 1056 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,320 going down the path, 'cause I got a way to bring it right 1057 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,600 back. Don't worry about it like I was 1058 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,480 AD young guy. I was AI was a Happy King's man 1059 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,560 when he came over. You know, when we were little 1060 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,360 kids, I I love the Kings love, love that. 1061 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,120 Love being a part of something. I think that's that's that's 1062 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,400 huge. Another thing about hockey is 1063 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,360 home ice advantage, right. For a band this might be the 1064 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,480 greatest pull mice advantage that any band where you know you 1065 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,800 got a group of guys who are using this as an outlet. 1066 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,120 How important is it to have an outlet? 1067 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,440 We've I think we've talked about that. 1068 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,760 I mean to any guy who's listening to this what is 1069 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,960 something that you're passionate about and go do it. 1070 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,360 It doesn't have to be where you're like like you said on a 1071 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,800 you know, full time in a van doing it, just having the gigs 1072 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,440 that you do. Yeah, scratches, those itches. 1073 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,160 How to get these parts of you out, you know, that's just kind 1074 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,920 of summing up, bringing it up. But now that being said, Jason 1075 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,560 is a guy with all of this crazy vision and he thinks big. 1076 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,760 And when he built you this whole mice advantage, this, this, this 1077 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,760 cathedral to play your music in, you know, multiple times a 1078 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,160 month. How grateful are you for that? 1079 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,520 Oh, yeah, Like, isn't this. It's amazing. 1080 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,800 It's, it's, it's it's unexplainable, right? 1081 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,960 It's like, yeah, but we we talk about it sometimes. 1082 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,520 Well, Jane never talks about it. He's like, oh, whatever. 1083 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,760 He's like, you know, it's like he, he, he, he brushed off like 1084 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,520 it like it's nothing. But I know that he knows what 1085 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,840 he's done for us. It's crazy. 1086 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,320 It's like huge successful bands who like, like like are big in 1087 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,400 North America. It's like that. 1088 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,680 They don't have anything like this. 1089 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,160 They don't have their own, their own private Speakeasy club they 1090 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,000 can play in. Even just the fact that not 1091 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,160 having to set up gear, every every show phenomenon like 1092 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,360 people bring us water and drinks, it's it's it's a 1093 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,120 ridiculous. Right. 1094 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,120 And the you got a fan base, Yeah, you got a localized fan 1095 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,480 base that's that's that's growing and all of these things 1096 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,080 and a catalogue of music that's growing. 1097 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,480 We'll talk about Bloodless because gosh, boy, I know that 1098 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,960 it was you and and and Jay really that drove the bus on 1099 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,760 that one. I love Proper Man's recording 1100 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,640 process. It makes sense that you have a, 1101 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,840 you know, an Uber producer is helping to help things, right, 1102 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,160 Driver? Yeah, that's right. 1103 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess Uber producer is a 1104 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,960 different term now that. Yeah, sorry. 1105 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:57,480 No, just. Kidding, Yeah. 1106 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,280 The fact that you were that skilled and and and the way that 1107 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,680 you know you all do have families. 1108 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:03,880 You all do have jobs and all that. 1109 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,360 And how can a band put out quality music like this? 1110 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,880 And the way that you record is a little unconventional or the way 1111 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,560 that you create music, I should say, is a little bit 1112 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,840 unconventional. And how you do it, you wrap it 1113 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,240 around your life, your life. 1st. 1114 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,240 But at the same time, it really works and the output is 1115 00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:25,240 extremely high quality and has a lot of depth to it. 1116 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,200 I know a little bit about now I know more about your story. 1117 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,760 I think about Bloodless and I think about how powerful of a 1118 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,600 song that is, right? Thanks. 1119 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,160 I'm happy you feel that way. Oh my God. 1120 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,160 Yeah, yeah, that one they well, it's like back like that was 1121 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,120 written like 7 years ago, but it wasn't written written. 1122 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,760 But back when I said I took a couple years off and I was just 1123 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,560 trying to sort of stuff that was first joined proper man. 1124 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,960 But I was working on my own solo stuff. 1125 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,000 I still do my own solo stuff. This isn't a plug for my my solo 1126 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,680 stuff, but. Plug your solo stuff. 1127 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,640 How do you plug my solo stuff? Travis Saunders. 1128 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,920 Travis Saunders On Spotify? There it is. 1129 00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,760 Yeah, Slash teleporter. Yeah. 1130 00:48:58,760 --> 00:48:59,760 Teleporter, yeah. Yeah. 1131 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,040 I've got like four or five songs there. 1132 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,120 I work with a really good guy as well and that stuff called 1133 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:04,840 Calvin. Like there. 1134 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,040 He's a he's an old guitar player for a proper man, actually, 1135 00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:09,880 yeah. And he's a guy that I met back 1136 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,600 in my producing days and stuff. But anyways, when I was first 1137 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,360 writing stuff, it's like my plan was K I'm going to totally 1138 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,160 change my life around and I'm going to release an album. 1139 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,400 So. So I just like spent like a long 1140 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,600 time like sleepless nights like I said you know like just like 1141 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,360 trying to deal with getting my my body clean and stuff and and 1142 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,040 I just just like wrote wrote tons and tons of songs and stuff 1143 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,000 like that and that and Bloodless was a song that I wrote back in 1144 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,680 that era. So it's like like 6-7 years old 1145 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,120 the but I could never finish the vocals to it. 1146 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,040 I was never happy with what the vocals are and and and Jay we 1147 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,560 like we're always going back and forth on music so and I always 1148 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,840 send him random ideas. I have he sends me random ideas 1149 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,040 he has and stuff like that And like obviously because we're in 1150 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,680 a band but I I just randomly threw threw him that one it was 1151 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,960 just like the music to it and and he's like hey that's the one 1152 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,560 He's like what I wasn't going to send it to you And then and then 1153 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,400 he wrote the vocals to it and then we got like like a killer 1154 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,960 in slim to come in and like like like we like basically redid it. 1155 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,720 But it was an old song that I was planning on just keeping for 1156 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:14,880 myself because I'm a song order Just kidding. 1157 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,440 Yeah. OK, So what was the inspiration 1158 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,760 behind that at the time of the writing, and how has it changed 1159 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,480 since Jay has brought his element? 1160 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,680 Well, like, it seems like a very personal song. 1161 00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:27,600 Yeah, to. Whoever touched it seems very. 1162 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,360 Personal. It was a very, very emotional 1163 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,320 song to me, right? It's like I just sat down on the 1164 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,200 piano and it's like I scanned by the ground chord progression. 1165 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:35,800 It's kind of I was feeling it then, right? 1166 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,760 And but I don't know, it's like see, you could say there's a 1167 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,560 part of that and there's a part of the feeling in that song that 1168 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:48,480 is came from me going through my struggles with like getting 1169 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,800 getting clean. You know, it's still weird for 1170 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,160 me to talk about that, right? It's not like I'm like an ex 1171 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,800 fucking drug addict. But it was it's fine. 1172 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,920 It's weird for me to talk about it. 1173 00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,480 But you know what I mean? It's like, but that song it it's 1174 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,520 very emotional song for me and I didn't even have the vocals done 1175 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,600 and then Jay came in and brought his vocals on it and I've got a 1176 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,800 friend of mine, his name's Ty and he's super ruthless. 1177 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,720 I always bounce ideas off of him and and I sent like him him the 1178 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,440 new blood list. He's like that's the best thing 1179 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,440 like Prof Man's ever done. That's like the best melodies 1180 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,360 Jay's ever in. I was like, yeah, it is because 1181 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,600 he was able to take a musical thing that I put together and I 1182 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,720 didn't know where to go with it because I was just like lost in 1183 00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:24,880 my head back then, right. Just trying to put out put out 1184 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,880 music and Jay totally brought it like to fruition you could say. 1185 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,360 And the other guys too sorry it did not yeah like everyone did 1186 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,200 their stuff on it but but but the inception of that song was 1187 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,520 very I was in a like pretty confused place then right And 1188 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,880 like like dark place. I didn't know that it end up 1189 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,440 here right. I didn't know anything. 1190 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,800 It's just like it's just a it's been a journey man. 1191 00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:53,600 It's been a real big journey. Well, and the journey is growing 1192 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,680 and continuing and evolving and and and I just want to say thank 1193 00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,080 you so for so much for opening yourself up of course it's. 1194 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:01,880 My. Pleasure. 1195 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,920 As we move to the close here, what do you see for yourself? 1196 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,960 What do you see for proper man? What do you see for your family? 1197 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,800 What do you see for? You as you as you move. 1198 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,160 Forward and like, are you just taking it? 1199 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,200 What are you taking it really? Is one day at a time. 1200 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:14,800 There you go. Yeah. 1201 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,600 It's like it's like it's funny when you're when when you're on 1202 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,400 like medication. If I call it medication, that 1203 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,240 helps you with your mind. It's it's not a stick with 1204 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,720 sticks with you forever. You always think about it when 1205 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,600 we start dealing with stuff, it's like, oh, I wish I had that 1206 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:30,760 like even now. Right. 1207 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,480 But it's it is one day at a time just like like dealing with 1208 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,640 stuff and being and and being sober off that. 1209 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,600 You know what I mean? So obviously proper man drinks 1210 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,560 and stuff like that but that. But that's the other side of the 1211 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:42,480 coin. But you know what I mean? 1212 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,000 But it's like my family's definitely helped me to get to 1213 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,840 that. Like my wife is incredible and 1214 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,880 she's supportive. She's dealt with Crazy Travis 1215 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,240 more times than I can count. If I was here I might have hit 1216 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,800 the road right. But she's she's reason that I'm 1217 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,640 actually here doing this right now because it's like she's 1218 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,760 totally changed my life. Yeah, we just got married last 1219 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,880 year and we've only been together for a few years. 1220 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,800 But she came through at the last part when I was dealing with 1221 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,400 stuff that I didn't know how to deal with. 1222 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,600 And stuff has getting like that sinus infection that's putting 1223 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,360 pressure on my brain and I have surgery for and things are just 1224 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,080 like almost like totally off the fucking rails again. 1225 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,960 But it wasn't through medication is because it was because I just 1226 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,280 asked that part of my life. But yeah, sorry, like where I 1227 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,000 see myself, just keep on, No? No, no. 1228 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,680 But. But hold on because because guys 1229 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,200 who are hearing this too many times, they hide this stuff away 1230 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,880 from, right? Who's the number one person they 1231 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,240 hide this stuff from? Their spouse. 1232 00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:34,160 Right. Yeah, totally. 1233 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:35,920 Yeah. And and and and, and you're 1234 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:38,640 making a very, very good case for about being transparent. 1235 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,320 You know, the freedom that comes with being able to be 1236 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,120 transparent with these people that are in your life. 1237 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,640 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 1238 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,560 Because it's very difficult. I imagine it'd be very difficult 1239 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,960 to do it alone, right? To get through that stuff right 1240 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,520 and and life's a motherfucker, right? 1241 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,360 Still still going to. It's still it comes at you every 1242 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:55,800 day, right? But if you can deal with it 1243 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,920 every day, then everything's good. 1244 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,320 So I just focus on on the daily thing like and really a lot of 1245 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,440 gratitude graduate. I can wake up with like a like a 1246 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,760 wife and a family and like an amazing son and and and like 1247 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,040 like a career and job and proper man. 1248 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,120 It's like I remind myself those things every morning and yeah. 1249 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,720 Like, do you, like, in the shower? 1250 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:17,920 In the shower. OK. 1251 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,280 Yeah. In the shower I constantly think 1252 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,920 about like where I'm at and and how like messed up it is that 1253 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,520 I'm actually here because I never thought that I'd be in a 1254 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,360 place like this and it it kind of resets your brain and makes 1255 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,240 you like not it like like keeps you in check so you're not like 1256 00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:37,080 Oh no. I just want to go do whatever 1257 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,920 and stuff like that and it and you realize stuff like that when 1258 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,440 you're dealing with things mentally right and what you have 1259 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:45,000 and like moving forward right. It's like proper man. 1260 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,160 I just want to keep on making the best songs we can and keep 1261 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,080 on moving forward and conquer the world, right? 1262 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,920 I know that's what Jay wants, his world domination. 1263 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,240 I want that too. We've got the we've got the 1264 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,880 talent and we got the songs. Maybe we need a new producer. 1265 00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,680 Maybe the producer's holding us. Back. 1266 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:00,800 I don't think so. But you know what I mean? 1267 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,920 It's like, it's like I just, it's. 1268 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,760 I'm just so thankful that I'm at the state of my life now that 1269 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,120 things can only get better because I know they'll never get 1270 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,600 worse again. Because I was able to. 1271 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:12,960 I was able to beat the dragon, right? 1272 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,160 Or whatever you call it. Gratitude is a silver bullet, 1273 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,160 isn't it? Totally. 1274 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,000 Like like, Gaba's great and and some of these other things are 1275 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,240 great, but you want to. You want to get rid of anxiety? 1276 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,920 Spend 1/2 hour focusing on the things that you're grateful. 1277 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:29,040 For I'm a very like rational person where if I'm having a 1278 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,440 tough day and stuff like that I'll realize that I'm I'm in the 1279 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:32,960 first world country. I'm in Canada. 1280 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,400 I could I I like I mentally put myself back in like like World 1281 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,400 War 2. If you're like like a soldier 1282 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,480 fighting on the front lines and like like getting butchered or 1283 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,600 all all the insanity that that like past generations and and 1284 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:46,960 even people now they have to deal with. 1285 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,040 It's like, it's like, it's like all all it takes is for me to 1286 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,520 put myself with checks and be like, man, would I be 1287 00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,640 complaining we're thinking or worrying about the stuff and 1288 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,000 thinking now if I was like someone who was less fortunate 1289 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,840 even now, like in a different country, it's like and that. 1290 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,840 And that's all you need in my mind to be able to, to stop 1291 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:10,080 being such a like such a depress like like person worrying about 1292 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,720 first world problems. And obviously problems are 1293 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:14,000 relative to where you're at, right? 1294 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,640 It's like you you're brought up in these in the environment that 1295 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,840 you are and things are relative. But still you need to, you need 1296 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,800 to put that into perspective with everybody else. 1297 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,440 And that totally does it for me, right? 1298 00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:27,360 Like bend well, and I'm not saying that's all, it's cure all 1299 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:28,680 and all, whatever, it's fine, right? 1300 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,480 But it does really help me to do it because that because I'm like 1301 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,800 I said, it's like my mind needs to understand things, right? 1302 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,000 And in my head I think that's where a lot of my anxiety, so 1303 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,240 like that comes before. If I can't understand things 1304 00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:43,440 then it's very difficult for me. But if I if I remind myself just 1305 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,960 just how lucky I am to be where I'm at, then it makes me 1306 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,080 thankful. And if you're thankful, then it 1307 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:50,840 the best comes out of you, right? 1308 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,880 That's a good snowball. Too many people take the problem 1309 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,040 snowball and it gets bigger and bigger and bigger, but you can 1310 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,320 actually take the positive snowball and let it start 1311 00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,080 growing as well, right? And thankfulness and 1312 00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,640 gratefulness is one of those things that that gets that ball 1313 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:02,920 rolling down the hill. Yeah, and that. 1314 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,400 And that's actually my sister Shannon. 1315 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,320 She told me back when I was like like like at the turning point 1316 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,160 of my life, so to speak. She's like just just get a book 1317 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,760 and write down everything you're thankful for. 1318 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,320 And I did it and I read that like all the time for like a lot 1319 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,080 for like 5 a couple years. Like like whenever appeals and I 1320 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:20,560 just like go and I'd add things to it. 1321 00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:24,120 Oh, thankful this now and then I was like, man, what am I even 1322 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,720 worried about? Like, what have anxiety? 1323 00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,720 What am I worried about? It's like, it's it's like I've 1324 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,240 got all these things. It's not about having things, 1325 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,120 but I've got these things that that people would literally kill 1326 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:35,520 for. Yeah, I've got a life that 1327 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,440 people would kill for it and and I'm lucky enough to have it. 1328 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,960 So get your head out of the sand and like, start living, right? 1329 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,520 That's that's. Are you on social media? 1330 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:45,600 Do you have, do you have stuff out there? 1331 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,320 OK, let's plug that if people want to want to come find you. 1332 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,760 Yeah, what's the best way to do it? 1333 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,000 Travis Saunders on Facebook. Yeah, yeah. 1334 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,120 And yeah, like I. Said I'm on the Spotify. 1335 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,760 And the Spotify? Travis Saunders slash 1336 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,040 Teleporter. There's stuff on there. 1337 00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,280 And yeah, I don't do Instagram because I'm too old, I guess. 1338 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,040 I don't know. I just. 1339 00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:02,360 Never. I know. 1340 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,960 I'm a Facebook guy too. Yeah, yeah, I'm just on Facebook 1341 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,360 and Spotify. Yeah, Check on my music, because 1342 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:09,520 it's really, really, really good. 1343 00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,440 I well, and let's finish with that, like the one thing that I 1344 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,560 loved my very first proper man show. 1345 00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,680 I fell in love with you guys immediately because I I love AI 1346 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,360 love a hard band that has keyboards and samples and things 1347 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,360 like that. Like I love Oh yeah yeah, yeah, 1348 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:23,760 yeah. Like, I love a hard band. 1349 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,000 Yeah, you like the 80s stuff? Right. 1350 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:25,600 I do. I do. 1351 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,520 I like. Yes, I I definitely do. 1352 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,080 But I also love like Faith More, 9 inch Nails again Faith More, 1353 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,560 The hard band that has keyboards. 9 Inch Nails is a 1354 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,440 very technologically, they're all, they're all technology, the 1355 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,680 whole thing, right? But, you know, but then like 1356 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,960 Radiohead and just their progression as they've grown, 1357 00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,240 you know, after they came out of the bins, they really went down 1358 00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,840 a path of. Technology. 1359 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:49,800 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 1360 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,920 I think Tom York said he, he hated melodies at one point. 1361 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,200 He wanted to write another melody again. 1362 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:55,840 I was like, what? You were the best melodies on 1363 00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,080 the planet? Like what? 1364 00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,720 What are you doing? Yeah, like you know, and you 1365 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,560 throw the kitchen sink at your intro. 1366 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:07,040 I mean it's everything from, you know, different classical all 1367 00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,160 the way to, you know, with these beautiful synth parts. 1368 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,480 And then the band comes in and it's and it can be hard with it 1369 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,120 as well. But it's not all just obviously, 1370 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,920 you know you're very layered in in in what makes your band. 1371 00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,240 So I just, I just want to say I love you guys. 1372 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,480 I'm really grateful that we're able to do this because the 1373 00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,760 music is phenomenal. But when you go and look at the 1374 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,360 depth of the guys who make the music, it's even more so. 1375 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:31,880 So thank you for doing. Well, thank you very much for 1376 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,280 saying that, that that means a lot to me. 1377 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,880 Like a lot, because we put our heart into the band, right. 1378 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,400 And and so to have it come across in the way that you're 1379 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,000 describing that that's like that's literally the reason why 1380 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,200 we do it right. It's it's it's not like it's 1381 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,240 very selfish at the same time because it it, it gets us off 1382 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,440 musically, right, Sure. But to have it translate is 1383 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:52,280 really good. So. 1384 00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,360 We talked about that. It's it's communal. 1385 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,400 Yeah, it's communal. You're giving to the audience, 1386 00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:57,400 too. And the audience gets the 1387 00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:58,680 experience out of it. So, yeah. 1388 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,320 But thank you for opening up today. 1389 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:01,560 Thank you for everything that you do. 1390 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,240 Thank you for being and thank you for proper man. 1391 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:04,200 Yeah. Well, you're welcome. 1392 01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:05,960 Thanks very much for having me and for doing this. 1393 01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:07,680 It's, it's, it's been a pleasure. 1394 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:08,720 Yeah. Awesome. 1395 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:09,640 Thanks, man. Appreciate you. 1396 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:10,280 Yeah, you bet. Give. 1397 01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:18,840 It one more day deaf to what they say, look the other way. 1398 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,640 Don't. Give it away. 1399 01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:29,240 Give it one more day dead to what they say. 1400 01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:31,160 Look the other way.