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Welcome to. 
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he changed it as always I am 
Mike Chisholm as always I am 

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really excited to be here that 
is not lit motion. 

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If you've listened to any of 
these shows that we have done 

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with any frequency and and I 
hope to God and pray that you 

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have um you know, that I am not 
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I am so excited to be helping 
out with this project, a project

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that literally wants to change 
the world. 

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We want to be an Avenue, a 
resource for men and their 

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mental Wellness. 
We are just getting started. 

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If you haven't downloaded the, 
he changed it app yet. 

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What in the heck? 
Are you waiting for? 

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Please go to the Apple or Google
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We are nondenominational when it
comes to what we're building 

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here. 
Download the heat changed it 

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app. 
Check out what we have. 

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We've got some really cool stuff
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Already in the neighborhood of 
free resources and all sorts of 

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different articles. 
And, and, and ways that men are 

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tools that we can use, you know,
and Men seem to like the tools. 

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Well, if we have a cell phone 
with us, this would be a tool 

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that we really want to show and 
have four men out there. 

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Dozens of guys are going in the 
app every day. 

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And if you've been following 
this podcast right from the 

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beginning, you're seeing 
literally the, the metamorphosis

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of this idea into an actual 
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That will turn into a movement, 
hopefully to change the world. 

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So, check out he changed it.com 
for all of the info. 

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If you wouldn't mind again, I 
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don't have to ask for this. 
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the scales have tipped in the, 
in the, in the way that I don't 

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have to say it, could you please
like, share, subscribe to 

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podcast. 
We would really appreciate that 

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as well. 
One day, I won't have to ask 

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that anymore. 
We can go from there. 

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So now that that business is out
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today's guest. 
I am really excited about 

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today's Mike. 
You see that every damn time? 

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Yes, I know. 
I say it every damn time, but 

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they're all excited for 
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This one here. 
It hits me right in the heart. 

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The excitement I have for this 
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right? 
In the heart, I've talked a 

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little bit about some of the 
David Letterman side projects 

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that I do in my life. 
You know I started to let him in

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podcast and this might be the 
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I've actually announced that. 
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cross pollinate our to Platforms
that we doing here. 

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But, but at the same time, so 
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come and tell their stories, 
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we've talked to actors, we've 
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to life coaches of all different
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about purpose and and even on he
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how one of men's major pain 
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living a life of purpose rather 
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That was either told to that 
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they're just Tunnel vision, not 
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And we've talked about that a 
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And the reason that I started 
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essentially, I don't want to be 
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a guy on here. 
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with with guests professionals, 
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and talking about this stuff. 
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yet not in my time also, 
yearning and stretching and 

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doing things that make me feel 
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and so. 
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because I am a tremendous 
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and, and there are some 
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with his world and I just wanted
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start this podcast and and so I 
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it's been going really, really 
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experiences for me that just, I 
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And in that time, I met a guy 
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friend of David Letterman and a 
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Stand-up comedian. 
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comedian of many comedians out 
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He's one of the most talented 
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have watched him since I was a 
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as name is Jeff Altman. 
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talking off-camera and I was 
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him to come on, the Letterman 
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We were getting to know each 
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men's mental Wellness podcast, 
that I host I told about he cast

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about What we're all a part of 
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on, who's talked about his 
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mental health in general. 
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would very much like to be a 
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He threw it out there and I'm 
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I'd like to have you on this 
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cool to talk about mental health
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And that's exactly what we're 
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Jeff Altman. 
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Thank you enough for putting up 
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conversation. 
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different direction. 
Thank you so much for taking 

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time out of your schedule. 
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entertainment world, you're a 
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Thank you so much for being on 
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Jeff, well, it's A great 
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the incentive for coming on was 
the pay. 

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Yeah we're all pretty damn 
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he cast has been giving all of 
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about it. 
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Mike. 
Oh man, thank you so much. 

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I'm gonna switch the gallery 
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both and and see us here. 
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the cuff. 
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I was doing with the Letterman 
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I get it. 
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want to pass on the knowledge 
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things took a quick, right turn,
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that? 
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That idea? 
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So interested in helping to 
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pity on me and say, oh, this guy
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I'll support him in whatever he 
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personally in my life and I have
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was fairly academic. 
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college, I've been interested in
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whatever or whatever else would 
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I want to start with this. 
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the lead I guess is the wrong 
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At the end of the day there has 
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stigma. 
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my wife and her team are 
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And and when we're not Feeling 
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many times the tendency is to 
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There's another stigma. 
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I'm sorry. 
Mike that please I did forget. 

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I just forgot what I was gonna 
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covid. 
I have long cold, winter. 

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No, I was going to say that the 
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in their lifetimes. 
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eager to come on here and talk 
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mention is that every day of my 
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I pray for the guys who come 
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other, you know, places of 
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which is a form of depression. 
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And Perhaps OCD. 
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prayed that they'll step forward
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were talking about the stigma of
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from Afghanistan and he's what 
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forward and say, you know, geez,
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I really think I need some help 
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that Kandi and her team have 
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We certainly have had our share 
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the military on he cast so far. 
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what we want to do. 
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the top Generals in the Canadian
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Not we got Armed Forces up here 
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We actually do. 
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because, you know, you look at 
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magnitude, the exponential 
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military. 
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certainly certainly want to be a
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We've got some footage of the 
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mental health, in the Canadian 
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somber somber piece of footage 
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Talking about how it's the 
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don't reach out who don't, who 
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publicizing how they feel, and 
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And I mean, I certainly there 
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avenues how this can come out, 
badly violence, your body, heart

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attack, your body can turn 
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Strokes, all things like that, 
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but, and, and the one thing that
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okay, all of these men who end 
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Heroically surveying. 
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mere months before the idea, 
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every single one of them have a 
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the idea that's one of the 
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her team and Spurs them on, is 
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that phone there was some sort 
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we, as a group, you know, the 
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Took away that stigma, and 

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that's what we want to do. 
We want to take away the 

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freight, we're taking back the 
phrase man up your, about these 

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groups that are taking In back 
phrases today, the idea of man 

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up this is something he changed 
it wants to do man up, you know,

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used to mean exactly what you're
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You know, putting it down, we 
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your Manning up where it's like,
no, I'm going to take 

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responsibility for how I'm 
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I'm going to go through and, 
and, and, and find some people 

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that I can talk to you. 
Whether its family friends, 

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whatever, where I can empty that
glass, where I can let the 

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pressure out of the balloon or 
whatever, that's what Manning up

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truly. 
Truly is gonna be when we're 

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done with it and, and I 
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military, I mean, oh my 
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And then it's just other regular
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were told to do and this is 
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Entertainer aspect and having 
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because many entertainers, go 
counterculture to what they were

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told to do. 
They didn't go out and get a 

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good job with good benefits and 
and by the house and get the the

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the family and all of that, and 
they just they went on their own

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path. 
But there's A lot of guys out 

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there who are just trying to 
find themselves. 

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And so this is a very, very 
important topic that we have 

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here. 
I just monologue done, Jeff, 

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almond. 
I'm sorry. 

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You're the one that should be 
talking more. 

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But, but yes, you've I think 
you've hit it exactly right 

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there. 
Well, all I can say is that I 

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wish that people understood 
that, it takes a man to come 

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forward and say. 
Geez, look, I'm hurting, you 

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know, and I need help because 
self-preservation is still, you 

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know, Paramount to any living 
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having to succumb to your 
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certainly not what any of us 
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No. 
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And I do want to, I do want to 
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mean, you're a world-class 
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circles that you you crossed, 
and we're in four years, are the

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upper echelon of stand-up 
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And and I mean there, I can't 
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recording. 
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in my life, I've heard the 
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across and he says the exact 
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No, it's not like that. 
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profession. 
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all ends of the spectrum. 
I don't know that it's it's that

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simple necessarily and I'm super
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who came up with, you Robin 
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Like, you look at some of these 
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well of folks, who came up with 
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led lives that some would call 
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laugh, do you think there's 
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on the Seinfeld side of things 
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what they do. 
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suppose the Impetus to take the 
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if you're going up there just to
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then maybe Jerry's right? 
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because you need to get laughs 
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sort of pathway in your life to 
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Swell when you don't get them, 
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when you do get them, you do. 
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up and down that can happen 
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bless his heart and I wish you 
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people like that who would just 
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performing their craft. 
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example. 
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when I feel ignored, I don't 
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as cogent, you were the class 
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I guess, so yeah, no, I was, I 
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school and sort of a funny guy 
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tried I think my comedy even is 
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notion of the Class Clown, you 
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necessarily A monologist. 
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own on Barstool and fall down or
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Like I was doing in high school 
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has kept on and, you know, kept 
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you know, it's funny, you know, 
it's a very serious topic that 

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we have here but every time that
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that we've had an interaction 
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you and I fucking love it. 
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I didn't, we didn't believe it 
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We didn't pre-interview for 
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I think I, I assumed you were 
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remember growing up, what the 
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classes that made me laugh, the 
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they did and it worked, it's 
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Your comedy, however, though I'm
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the respect in the world, 
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you would do things that were, 
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or or wacky. 
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something that shows tremendous 
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intelligence or Insight, or 
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the silly together. 
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things that so many people find,
so Charming about about your 

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delivery and I mean, my very 
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consider what I did was sort of 
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refreshing to hear you say there
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Hey man. 
I had the lowest SATs of anyone 

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who went to my school. 
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I signed my name on the paper, I
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to the third lowest. 
Can you believe that? 

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What the heck? 
Did he hear two people do? 

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Maybe they spelled their names 
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You shouldn't have spelled your 
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Jeff that's right. 
Good question. 

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Well, and, and to say on stand 
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appreciate the fact that you're 
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some of the elements that you've
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And we will certainly. 
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up for a second because you are,
I have you on here and you came 

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up in during what would be 
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groundbreaking time of stand-up 
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look to you guys and gals. 
And there were some gals. 

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Not as many as there are today. 
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lane and some of these other 
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Yeah, with you and well in 
Merrill. 

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I mean, I Merrill Marco. 
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about a genius right there who 
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Richard Pryor, okay? 
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Pryor came from, some would 
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stand-up of all time. 
Many people would consider him. 

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Yeah, you know, the prolific, 
I'm not sure about your 

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relationship with Carlin. 
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individuals, I just going to 
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second and And you think about 
what we've been told and what we

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know about mental health and how
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sometimes get some of these 
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Those are two individuals right 
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their acts polished some of 
their specials and it was them 

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pouring their heart out but then
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at the end or as part of it, I 
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be like being in the clubs 
watching them work that Ariel 

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out and and the part of me that 
goes, okay? 

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So prior if you know anything 
about his background, that's him

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working shit out on stage and 
actually helping his mental 

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health by doing that. 
That's the kind of thing that I 

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don't hear with the stand-up 
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these individuals who actually 
they know themselves pretty well

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because they work out their 
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a group of people many times 
live and on the Fly Yeah, I was 

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very fortunate. 
My kin that I had relationship 

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both the aforementioned. 
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compliment I was ever paid in 
1977, maybe it was, was a, I was

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walking out of The Comedy Store 
and Richard was right behind me 

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and he looked up, he said, you 
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best. 
You know, that was all I needed,

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you know, just, you know, 
because I had some bad days and 

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when I heard that from Rich, but
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Yeah. 
I guess I'll keep this up. 

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Okay, yeah. 
Okay, you know, but he was 

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talking about the guys around 
The Comedy Store that night. 

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Yeah, no. 
I get it. 

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Whatever General, it wasn't in 
general because I certainly 

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wouldn't compare myself to 
either of them but or lat, Of 

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other people. 
But but I'll never forget that 

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in George Carlin was a buddy to.
He did, he did a favor for me. 

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I put on a benefit in the San 
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think, and it was for cancer 
research at UCLA and George 

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Carlin came in and did for free 
shows for me. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, that's, you know, what 

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do you say, huh? 
Thank him for that. 

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You know? 
There's just no way and so I I 

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got along great with both those 
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Inspirations for me to continue 
doing stand-up. 

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I love that. 
You have an educated knowledge 

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about this and I'll try and be 
as I'm trying not to be 

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long-winded, Jeff but I just, I 
can't help it. 

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Sometimes I pick those two in 
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long-winded last night. 
My wife had to leave the 

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bedroom. 
Hey, okay, you got two guys 

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here, who at the beginning of 
their careers, their act looked 

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a certain way, and I would even 
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it was revolutionary at the time
still stand up, was in its 

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infancy, but their act was very 
for lack of a better term 

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homogenized, I would say. 
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Eyes had turning points in their
life, made decisions, whatever 

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it was that made them kind of go
click and they completely change

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their act to what many would 
call, you know, biographical for

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sure. 
But but but but real like where 

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they just changed their acts 
entirely like you look at George

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Carlin and after he made that 
change, and you would have 

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gotten that Carlin during your 
benefits, that you talked about,

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you know, it's almost like it's 
no. 

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No, we got to start being more 
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I think with both those two 
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just as funny as ever, I find 
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more powerful because they were 
being so authentic in who they 

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were as and they completely 
change their Styles right now, I

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don't know what to say to that 
except you're absolutely 

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correct. 
I mean, George Carlin was, you 

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know, doing the hippie-dippie 
weatherman and yeah, and the 

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stuff that, you know, the, then 
tie and the suit and, and the 

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hair combed over and a nice 
pompadour and you know Richard 

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was in Vegas going, you know I 
saw today you know you know you 

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he was just doing Straight Ahead
stuff and they both broke down 

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and turn more Inward and more To
themselves, be be honest. 

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And that's what they both did 
your so. 

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I mean I got nothing to say 
about that. 

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You're absolutely right way. 
Well and when it comes to mental

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wellness and all of that, I 
think that we as men, I think we

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fire on an extra two cylinders 
when we are being able to live 

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that authentically and B&B 
those, if we can be authentic in

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what we do, you know we're 
winning and we're moving ahead 

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that much farther and and I 
think authenticity, It is 

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something that many men struggle
with whether it's a matter of 

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fitting in whether it's a matter
of, you know, doing what we're 

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supposed to do, because our 
parents, our spouse or someone 

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else expectations, you know, 
responsibilities that were 

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shouldering. 
I personally my viewpoint is 

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guys, like you got a chance to 
live their life a lot more 

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authentically with all the ups 
and downs that you've had in 

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your life because being an 
Entertainer is not an easy gig 

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with all the things that you 
have to deal. 

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With not knowing where your next
checks are going to come from. 

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Sometimes and whatnot, was that 
freeing for you? 

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Because you were living 
authentically? 

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Well, let me say there, 
certainly was a differences in 

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my Persona off the stage than it
was on the stage. 

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Take a guy like Richard, Lewis, 
for instance comes down line and

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I think of myself his Persona 
wasn't so very different than he

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was on stage. 
And I'm not saying that I was a 

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different guy. 
I wasn't really a different guy,

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but there was the soft lied to 
me. 

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I think it. 
And a, a eventually a In two 

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instances, one in 1991. 
And again, in 1998, where I went

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through some very, very 
depressing times and luckily 

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recovered but when impression 
look like for you, Jeff like 

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what, how did it manifest 
itself? 

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What did it feel like, well, in 
1991 things had coalesced such 

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that II thought I was going to 
be losing everything I had and 

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in 1991, I had everything going 
I had to network shows on at the

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same time I was hosting a show 
called the Sunday comics on Fox 

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and I was also on a show called 
nurses and NBC or I played the 

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male nurse and sequences of 
stuff went down. 

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And I thought to myself this is 
the end of my life. 

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Things are going to transpire. 
I'm going to lose all this, I'll

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lose my family. 
I'll lose my. 

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You know, I just had a Child 2 
years before and I just saw all 

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of it going, you know, down the 
drain and that swept me into a 

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what was be considered an 
anxious depression, which I 

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don't want to be judgmental. 
Exactly. 

443
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But I will say that an anxious 
depression I believe, I don't 

444
00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:58,300
know, you can't say which is the
worst kind of depression, but 

445
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,800
I'm going to venture to say 
they're anxious expression, is 

446
00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:05,000
it? 
Least in my opinion, is a 

447
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,600
horrible thing to be in em. 
And I think that's what some 

448
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,000
what PTSD is like, you know, you
can, you explain anxious 

449
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,900
depression as you see it, as the
guy who went through it, what 

450
00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:20,200
was it Define it for some guys 
out there that might not know 

451
00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:22,300
where they are right now? 
They just kind of know that 

452
00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:26,100
there's something there. 
There are quiet depressions 

453
00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:31,100
where you'll maybe lie in bed 
all day and you know sleep or 

454
00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:35,300
you can't get out of bed or but 
and you feel like you don't want

455
00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:39,600
to do anything and you're not 
interested in things. 

456
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:45,200
You have maybe a reduced or 
greatly increased, appetite 

457
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,300
appetites can change with 
depression. 

458
00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:51,500
In my case, it virtually kind of
faded. 

459
00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:59,600
But I think an anxious 
depression is best described by 

460
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,300
an old Steven Wright joke. 
He said, you used to say, you 

461
00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:05,400
know what, it feels like. 
When you're leaning back in your

462
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:10,900
chair and you almost go almost 
fall back and you fall over, he 

463
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:13,700
should have used to say, that's 
what I feel like all the time. 

464
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:17,400
Well, that isn't a bad 
description of an anxious 

465
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,700
depression, you feel that moment
of anxiety, but that's your 

466
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:24,700
feeling that all the time. 
When you're feeling like you're 

467
00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:30,000
going to jump out of your skin 
all the time and it, in my case,

468
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,300
I was lucky. 
It started to Abate as the 

469
00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:38,300
evening came on, many 
depressions are formed by the 

470
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:42,000
nature of the course of the day.
You feel worse when you wake up 

471
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,100
in the morning and better at 
night. 

472
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:47,300
Some people feel okay, maybe 
when they wake up and shittier 

473
00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:49,100
at night. 
Yeah, my depression was 

474
00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:52,900
characterized by getting up and 
having that anxiety, Get me 

475
00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:57,000
immediately and just you feel 
like your heart is going to 

476
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,000
pound out of your chest. 
Yeah. 

477
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:04,900
And then as the evening would 
approach I was able to a work 

478
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:13,000
and be feel a little bit better.
So that was the etiology of my, 

479
00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:21,100
my anxious depression. 
I I felt just just awful all the

480
00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:23,600
time with the exception of maybe
Be late at night. 

481
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,100
And I would stand, I remember 
standing when I would get up in 

482
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:30,200
the morning or I would go to 
sleep at night standing in front

483
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,800
of the front of a picture of 
Muhammad Ali, who was maybe one 

484
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,800
of my life Heroes. 
Yeah. 

485
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:42,500
And I would, you know, I would 
say all of all times, all times 

486
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:48,000
the greatest of all times and 
and I would, you know, make my 

487
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,800
fists going. 
I say I'm going to get through 

488
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,300
this, I'm going to get through 
this, and that, that was 

489
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:53,200
probably. 
Get light. 

490
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,200
And then I wake up in the 
morning and bang Joe. 

491
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:01,100
Frazier, hit you like like, you 
know, in the 10th round or the 

492
00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:04,600
12th round of the 13th, round of
the Ali, famous first Ali, 

493
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,900
Frazier fight. 
Yeah. 

494
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:10,100
And That's what an anxious 
depression is like and I might 

495
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:13,200
do depressions. 
We're different equally as 

496
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,200
menacing one was in 1991 as I'm 
talking about now. 

497
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,600
And the other was the 1998 and 
that occurred because I had 

498
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,600
stopped taking my medicine 
started playing around with what

499
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,800
I thought was. 
No need for medicine, I think I 

500
00:29:29,808 --> 00:29:32,600
started fiddling with st. 
John's Wort. 

501
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,800
Yep. 
Which is something that people 

502
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,400
will try if they're not 
assemblyman. 

503
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:39,700
Yeah. 
I don't have much faith in 

504
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:47,200
things that aren't prescribed. 
Yeah I really appreciate you 

505
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:52,800
talking about this in 91 that 
what you described or what 

506
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,400
Steven Wright describe that that
feeling where you're almost fall

507
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,100
from a chair, except it doesn't 
go away. 

508
00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:59,000
That's all it is. 
Yeah. 

509
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:02,100
The beginning of the day, for 
hours and hours and hours, until

510
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:04,900
you can kind of come back to 
yourself a little bit for the 

511
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:07,400
evening. 
How long did that last was. 

512
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,600
That was that weeks, was that 
months? 

513
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,100
Mom, was it medication that that
help normalize things for you? 

514
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:16,200
Is that, is that kind of how you
got out of it, or was it a 

515
00:30:16,208 --> 00:30:19,500
combination of medication and 
talking things out and figuring 

516
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:22,200
things out? 
And realizing that the situation

517
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,100
you were in is temporary. 
And no matter what's going to 

518
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:27,900
happen life is going to go on 
and learning lessons from that, 

519
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:29,300
or was it a combination of all 
of them? 

520
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,800
Well, when you're in it, when 
you're in the depression, I had 

521
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,800
a good friend. 
If you remember a comedy team 

522
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,400
called, Roger and Roger, That 
ring a bell. 

523
00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:43,000
Yeah, it does. 
The younger of the two or the 

524
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:45,500
rather the smaller of the two 
Rogers. 

525
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,800
Roger bear was probably my best 
friend on the west coast during 

526
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,700
the years or certainly around 
the years that I was depressed. 

527
00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:57,400
And if it hadn't been for him, I
don't know if I'd be talking to 

528
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,300
you now, but he was with me 
every night to let me know that 

529
00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:06,200
this is going to end. 
Because when you're in it, there

530
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,500
is a hopelessness If it was a 
feeling that this will never go 

531
00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:13,700
away, this is how I'm going to 
feel for the rest of my life. 

532
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,600
Yeah and that is the 
depressions. 

533
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,900
Roger used to say that is the 
depression talking to you. 

534
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:21,100
That is the depression telling 
you. 

535
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:23,900
Yeah. 
And it's all bullshit. 

536
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:25,800
Yes. 
Because even the worst of 

537
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,400
depressed people have their 
depressions. 

538
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,100
Eventually, usually lift. 
There are rare cases in which 

539
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,800
the, I mean, if you talk to Dick
Cavett, for instance, which I 

540
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,800
did, he would tell you about 
non-ending depression and some 

541
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,900
of the things that he had to go 
through to make it a bait which 

542
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:53,300
were considered far-reaching and
he he was in a very interesting 

543
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:55,800
person that I talk to when I was
depressed and he helped me a 

544
00:31:55,808 --> 00:32:00,700
little bit and but Roger bear 
being with me every night and 

545
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,700
pulling me through was certainly
a boon to my finally coming 

546
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:09,500
through it and having Someone 
there and that's why everybody 

547
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:13,000
needs to have someone. 
There all be it a psychiatrist, 

548
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:18,200
a psychologist, a counselor, a 
friend, someone who they ended 

549
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,100
mate, you know, it may not be 
the person who's closest to you 

550
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:23,400
in the world. 
For instance it could be 

551
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:26,100
couldn't could or could not be 
your wife. 

552
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:28,100
It could or could not be your 
best friend. 

553
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,000
It could be somebody who's 
tangential to your life. 

554
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:40,300
Yeah but somebody with you is I 
think A big help to surviving. 

555
00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:45,500
Well, and this goes back to how 
we kind of started things, where

556
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:48,800
so many guys their tendency is 
to is to hide it away and to 

557
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,200
keep it a secret and do not tell
people. 

558
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,300
And right there I think you've 
just talked about how a good 

559
00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:59,000
first step and then of course I 
mean we're not never not 

560
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,900
advocating for professional help
because many times that is 

561
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:05,800
necessary, but it's begins with 
you telling somebody about it. 

562
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,700
And somebody that that that 
cares, you know, I just was on. 

563
00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:13,200
Absolutely yeah. 
It's so important to have 

564
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,200
somebody in your quarter, 
whoever that might be my wife. 

565
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,200
And I we experienced that when 
we went to BC Children's 

566
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,100
hospital with our granddaughter,
you know, we were there for six 

567
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:26,500
months with her every day, a 
different city, and we talked 

568
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:28,700
about it in the book that we 
wrote about it in that 

569
00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:33,100
experience, and how some of our 
quote, unquote best friends. 

570
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,100
They kind of faded away 
sometimes when we show 

571
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,100
vulnerability, like this. 
There are people who are close 

572
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:43,200
to Ooh, us where it makes them 
may be a little bit 

573
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,600
uncomfortable. 
They can't, they can't stay in 

574
00:33:44,608 --> 00:33:48,300
the fire, they move away. 
But then he was the craziest 

575
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:51,400
thing because when we went, it 
was kind of public around our 

576
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,600
city. 
You know, everyone was rallying 

577
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,300
around our little 18 month old 
granddaughter. 

578
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:57,200
It was this, this this beautiful
experience of community. 

579
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,100
Coming together. 
We had acquaintances that were 

580
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:03,000
in our life. 
We'd see them a couple times a 

581
00:34:03,008 --> 00:34:06,500
year at a function or a party. 
We knew them, but they weren't, 

582
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:10,800
you know, in that friendship 
group and they just magnet it in

583
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,199
when Found out what we were 
going through because maybe they

584
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:14,500
had gone through something like 
that. 

585
00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:17,199
Or maybe they're just the way 
that their personality type or 

586
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:21,800
their heart is set, up, is to be
empathic, to be an empathy 

587
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,800
vessel of empathy. 
And and when you're going 

588
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,699
through something, if you throw 
it out there and you allow 

589
00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:33,600
whatever you want to call it, 
the universe or whatever to use,

590
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,000
allow someone to hear that 
story, and if they move forward 

591
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:41,600
to you, the power in, not 
stifling it but being Honorable 

592
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,800
and giving that to them, it can 
be life changing because that 

593
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,600
might be the person you're 
talking about. 

594
00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:50,600
Well, I think that's the notion 
of therapy, anyway. 

595
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,600
I think the notion of giving it 
up. 

596
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,600
Yeah, yeah, I'll getting it out 
there and yeah, it was provide 

597
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,300
some relief, you know, saying I 
feel shitty. 

598
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:06,500
I feel terrible. 
I feel awful to someone else is 

599
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:10,500
somewhat helpful. 
Oh yeah. 

600
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:13,000
I'm staying. 
It's going to cure necessarily 

601
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,600
the depression. 
But you asked me before Mike, I 

602
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,100
wanted to get back to this if 
medicine. 

603
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:19,200
Help me? 
Yes. 

604
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:21,900
Yes, it's hard to say. 
So, you know, somebody let's say

605
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:26,900
who was depressed for say six 
months and they take medicine. 

606
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:31,500
It's hard to say necessarily 
what happened to the depression 

607
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:34,500
just disappear on its own and 
you were taking medicine or did 

608
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:36,500
the medicine? 
Make it go away, right? 

609
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,600
Well, I can say this, I would 
certainly rather be treated with

610
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,400
medicine then I would Just to 
take my chances roll the dice 

611
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,500
and say gee. 
I hope it goes away. 

612
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,700
Yeah. 
I in all cases I would use every

613
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:53,800
form of science and medicine 
that I could to help myself. 

614
00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:00,600
And I think everyone should take
advantage of that idea yet the 

615
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,600
the science and medicine and 
Psychiatry are there to help and

616
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:13,300
it is not a fallacy or a To just
to make that statement, I think 

617
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:18,700
it's true. 
And it certainly is not what's 

618
00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:27,700
the word? 
Its It's unmanly to to come 

619
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:30,300
forward and say, geez I'm really
hurting. 

620
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,100
It's absolutely part of the 
Cure. 

621
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:37,200
I think to come forward and say 
I'm hurting, I need help. 

622
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,700
Can you help me? 
Yeah. 

623
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,700
How can I get help? 
Where can I get help? 

624
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,800
How much is the help? 
What do I have to do? 

625
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:47,400
Or your free places to go? 
Are your are their meetings to 

626
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,400
go new for people who are 
depressed. 

627
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:53,900
Yeah, anything like That can 
only help. 

628
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,900
I appreciate where you're coming
from. 

629
00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:58,600
We're at the stage with he 
changed it right now. 

630
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:03,400
It's happening right now where I
have been I don't know what you 

631
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:09,600
want to call it. 
I-i've been compelled to help 

632
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,800
start the, the men small group 
aspect to, he changed. 

633
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,700
I mean, the whole if you look at
it, there's this huge Playbook 

634
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:18,400
as to where he changed. 
It's going to go part of it, is 

635
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,300
the idea of a small group that 
can be either the done over 

636
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:26,300
Zoom, or in person or whatever, 
where it's like Layman, it's 

637
00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:29,000
not, you know, you don't need 
therapists and things like that,

638
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,100
but at the same time it's a 
place where guys can go and they

639
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:32,400
can, they can do that. 
They can. 

640
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:36,600
They can, they can get things 
out there with, you know, four 

641
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,400
or five other guys, listening 
number one. 

642
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:43,400
But number two, maybe can offer 
feedback can offer things. 

643
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,700
Like what you just said to take 
the edge off because it's one 

644
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:48,700
thing to know that you're 
depressed and to know that you 

645
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:52,600
probably need help. 
And that be an overwhelming. 

646
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,100
It almost seems like it just 
It's almost undoable. 

647
00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:59,600
But if you got two or three 
other people that are there that

648
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,400
are saying, no, no, you can do 
this, it's okay to do this. 

649
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,400
It's almost a permission thing. 
And and and many people have 

650
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,100
done this before. 
You are not alone. 

651
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:09,100
I think you are not alone as a 
huge control. 

652
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:12,800
Your You are not alone is so 
important why it is, isn't it? 

653
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:19,200
Oh right on the money? 
You know you sit in front of us 

654
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:24,400
the chi interest and he says you
know I treat scores of people 

655
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:29,600
with your Ori or you talk to 
friends or you sit in a group of

656
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:32,900
people who are depressed. 
And, and you begin to see that 

657
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:34,900
this is not unusual. 
This isn't something. 

658
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,100
You know the only, you know, 
pipsqueaks. 

659
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,600
Remember that word tip? 
Yeah, sure do. 

660
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,500
Here's a pipsqueak. 
You know? 

661
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:57,900
It's asking for help in and out.
Itself is Curative. 

662
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:06,800
I could not agree more. 
So 91 you get through that 

663
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,900
storm, things start to, you 
know, pieces, that were that may

664
00:39:11,908 --> 00:39:15,800
have fallen down are now being 
reformed into new ways and life 

665
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,500
is becoming The New Normal of 
whatever that looks like that 

666
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:22,900
temporary situation is now not 
nearly as hot and it's in the 

667
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:27,100
rearview mirror at that point. 
Are you medicated the entire 

668
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:29,200
time? 
And then we love 298. 

669
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:30,100
Oh, go ahead. 
Yeah. 

670
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:37,400
That was my problem. 
Mike II was medicated and just I

671
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,900
think I was taking Prozac. 
Okay, and then and now we have 

672
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:44,900
we have tempered that with 
another drug. 

673
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,500
I don't take Prozac anymore. 
I take another drug called 

674
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:48,800
Effexor. 
Okay. 

675
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,700
Is a maintenance drug and 
something called Abilify or 

676
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:56,100
error Peppers all yet. 
Which is, which is an 

677
00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:59,700
anti-psychotic. 
Yeah, and a lot of people may 

678
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:02,500
not be aware. 
We're of this but antipsychotic 

679
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:07,800
drugs used in very small doses 
like Zyprexa Abilify. 

680
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:14,500
Yeah, these drugs when used an 
adjunct, with an antidepressant 

681
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,200
can be very, very helpful 
life-saving. 

682
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:23,700
Even people who are psychotic, 
who take these drugs are taking,

683
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:28,200
you know, 15 to 30 mg. 
Let's say of Abilify I was 

684
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,000
taking I take two milligrams. 
That every day, right? 

685
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,100
Keeps a level to level the this 
is an SSRI, right? 

686
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:42,900
No it's in the antipsychotics 
which is different than okay? 

687
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:48,300
Okay. 
Yeah Prozac Prozac and Other 

688
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:53,600
Drugs like Prozac or ssris? 
Okay okay now we're what we're 

689
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,900
talking about here. 
I'm just going to make sure that

690
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:58,200
we do the the necessary 
disclaimer neither of us are 

691
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,300
doctors. 
We're just talking about 

692
00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:04,000
anecdotal situations where 
things have been prescribed 

693
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,900
specifically for Jeff and his 
where he's at. 

694
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,100
As a matter of Brain. 
Chemistry is a matter of 

695
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:12,600
experience in life and all of us
men have our different 

696
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,800
chemistries and experiences in 
life. 

697
00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:15,700
Yeah. 
And this is where the 

698
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:18,500
professionals can come in. 
It's one thing for like, we're 

699
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:23,000
talking about the small group 
where we can many times, you 

700
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,900
know, I we use the idea that he 
changed his like a yoga class. 

701
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:27,900
You know, yoga class will many 
times keep you out of the 

702
00:41:27,908 --> 00:41:31,400
doctor's office, just for 
preventative stuff. 

703
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,100
You know, it'll keep you even 
out of a physiotherapist office,

704
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:39,500
sometimes for preventive, if you
get into yoga as A habit, a lot 

705
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:41,800
of things in life, from your 
breathing, to your muscles, to 

706
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,100
all that sort of stuff. 
Now, even your mentality, many 

707
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:49,200
times can just sort of level 
off, and that's what he changed.

708
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,800
It is, is meant to be. 
Now, that being said, Michael, 

709
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,400
if like I was not like any 
stretch of the imagination 

710
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,400
prescribing here in the 
absolutely not well and thank 

711
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,900
God because we all need what you
said Is Right on the money. 

712
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,300
I mean everybody is an 
individual. 

713
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:13,500
Yes, the I take our for me 
prescribed by a guy who's, I 

714
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:16,900
don't want to brag, but you 
probably one of the the best 

715
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:18,000
psychiatrist in the United 
States. 

716
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,600
He's head of the mood disorders 
clinic at UCLA. 

717
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:23,200
Oh my gosh. 
There's a guy who want to talk 

718
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,900
to when he cast. 
By the way if ever you're 

719
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:28,100
talking to that guy and he wants
to do someone a solid and talk 

720
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:31,400
to some men out there, I bet you
he would have some very, very 

721
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,800
interesting insights in his 
career of things that he has 

722
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,500
seen in the shifts in all of the
things I remember, Insights 

723
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:42,900
tremendous insights and he has 
kept me alive for the past 30 

724
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:47,100
years. 
And what I was saying, before by

725
00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:50,100
drugs that I had taken, yeah, or
not, not to be. 

726
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:52,000
I don't want anybody to think of
themselves. 

727
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,200
Well, I'm depressed. 
I need an anti-psychotic. 

728
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,800
You may not yet. 
Have you met? 

729
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:59,700
You might need two weeks of just
just sitting in your apartment 

730
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,100
and get well on your own. 
You might need an SSRI. 

731
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,700
Yep, you might need an 
old-fashioned. 

732
00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:12,000
And he says, what is the make 
classification of that drug? 

733
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,400
Oh God, I'm going blank, some of
them, you know, some of them 

734
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:28,100
have side effects. 
But yeah, I was not, I was not 

735
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,500
making any solicitations and I 
know you weren't, I was just 

736
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:34,600
making sure we threw it out 
there because it's all that's 

737
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,700
very important. 
And and if you are depressed and

738
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:41,600
you been depressed for, let's 
say three weeks, you need to get

739
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,000
in and speak to somebody. 
Yeah, yeah. 

740
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,400
I'm getting in and talk to 
somebody, who knows a lot more 

741
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,100
than either you, or I do about 
how to treat a depression. 

742
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,700
And what happened of a 
depression is and what kind of 

743
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:56,700
personality You have and what 
you're expecting, what your 

744
00:43:56,700 --> 00:44:00,500
expectations are and you know, 
how deeply you are depressed. 

745
00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:04,000
Yes, I think that's extremely 
important again. 

746
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,200
It's not a matter of taking one 
lever, and pulling it down. 

747
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,600
All the way or one knob and 
turning it up to 11. 

748
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,300
It's a matter of all of these 
different things that are that 

749
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:15,900
are part of what make us who we 
are. 

750
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:18,500
You, you know, you talked about 
yourself, brain, chemistry 

751
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:21,200
personality, all of these 
different things that pieces of 

752
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,100
the puzzle that that add up to 
this. 

753
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:26,100
I want to I want to go back to 
your story though because 

754
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:30,100
because okay so you're medicated
you you monkey around with it a 

755
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:36,100
little bit in 98 was your 
depression that happened a 

756
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:40,300
direct result of monkeying 
around with those things that 

757
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:43,300
were they were happening goes. 
Yeah it was a result Mike of 

758
00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:48,500
nice feeling great again and 
being in therapy and saying to 

759
00:44:48,508 --> 00:44:50,100
myself, you know I feel pretty 
good. 

760
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:54,000
You know what why should I be 
taking drugs that I don't 

761
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,600
necessarily Early need. 
Now this is my ideation. 

762
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,400
Yes, isn't this isn't the truth.
So I stopped taking my 

763
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,400
medication cold turkey and 
Barney cold turkey. 

764
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,700
You just stopped II. 
Don't remember. 

765
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:11,800
But I'm pretty sure I didn't I 
couldn't have because I was in 

766
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,900
therapy with this gentleman. 
I mentioned at UCLA and I'm 

767
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,800
nearly certain there was no way 
he would have let me stop cold 

768
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,600
turkey and he always lobbied for
you know, contingencies In Ewing

769
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,400
the medication I said, no, let 
me stop it for a while. 

770
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:29,800
I'm feeling great. 
I know I'll be great. 

771
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:33,700
Well, I stopped it. 
And as time went on, I had some 

772
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:37,500
resurfacing almost PTSD of my 
first impression. 

773
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:43,200
Oh, wow. 
And and like, PTSD, where you 

774
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,000
start remembering these bad 
times. 

775
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:49,400
I started up again. 
And this time I had a more quiet

776
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:54,100
depression but just as serious. 
Yeah, I just just as life. 

777
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,300
Running and I remember riding in
a car and my hometown of 

778
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:02,000
Syracuse, New York and riding 
with my best friend, he was 

779
00:46:02,008 --> 00:46:05,000
driving the car and I turned to 
him and I said, I don't think 

780
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,200
I'm going to make it through 
this one. 

781
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,600
Jeff that is hard to hear. 
It's I appreciate you saying it,

782
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,300
because I think that there's a 
lot of guys who might hear this 

783
00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:18,000
and go. 
Oh, okay. 

784
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:24,700
When you said that. 
What was the response and and 

785
00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:29,000
and was that was that The Rock 
Bottom moment right there, which

786
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:31,700
ironically leads to, like you 
said it. 

787
00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:34,700
You said it out loud. 
It wasn't just inside, did 

788
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:39,600
saying it out loud. 
Help in any way, start to turn 

789
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,800
the corner of that one. 
Was that it was that a rock 

790
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,600
bottom moment or it was. 
I don't know if there was a 

791
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:51,000
moment in time where there was a
lot of crying a lot. 

792
00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:54,300
I was in my house that I grew up
in the 98. 

793
00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:59,400
I went back my mom said, come on
home and, you know, be with me 

794
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,700
and you'll have the house here 
and you'll feel comfortable. 

795
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:06,200
So, I got on a plane and flew 
back to Syracuse, New York, and 

796
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,100
laid on my bed, for a couple of 
months. 

797
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:14,900
And, you know, I'm crying was 
helpful. 

798
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:18,100
Yeah. 
Yeah, I'll I think so. 

799
00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:23,000
I think it was Yes, helpful 
Patty. 

800
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,800
The body's pressure release 
valve, isn't it? 

801
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,000
Jeff like if you don't cry if 
you don't cry, the pressure 

802
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,100
doesn't get released and then 
bad things. 

803
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:31,200
Will happen. 
Pops happened. 

804
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,200
So the crying that's that's, 
that's a good thing and I would 

805
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,800
submit the idea that maybe you 
were crying out. 

806
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:42,400
A lot of stuff that had built up
Perhaps Perhaps or I was crying 

807
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,200
from the pain and hopelessness 
at the time. 

808
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:49,600
Yeah. 
And you just tend to forget 

809
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,600
that. 
The notion that This will end, 

810
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,600
which is the truth, which is the
truth. 

811
00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:59,300
There's going to call coming 
into a depression, it might last

812
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:03,000
a month or two, it may last 
longer, it could last a shorter 

813
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,400
amount of time but you will and 
emerge from it and, and be a 

814
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,200
stronger person. 
I think as a result, not not 

815
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,400
that you need to go through a 
depression in order to be a 

816
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,500
strong human being. 
There are people 50 times 

817
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:18,500
stronger than me that have never
been depressed. 

818
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:23,400
So I'm not saying that's it. 
A, it's a generalization, I 

819
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,300
guess. 
Well, I suppose it is, but it's 

820
00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:27,800
also life though. 
Like, you think about go back to

821
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,000
your life and stand up, you 
become a more effective stand up

822
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,900
by, going up on stage and eating
it. 

823
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,900
I think of my stepson who is a 
just become a personal trainer 

824
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:38,300
right now, he just went in a 
natural bodybuilding competition

825
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:41,400
for the first time in his life. 
And and I mean we've watched him

826
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,300
over the last six months he 
placed first in the natural 

827
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:47,400
category and it was amazing. 
But what is he doing when he 

828
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,200
works out? 
He damages his muscles only to 

829
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:55,700
come back strong Her and and and
this idea of from mental health,

830
00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:59,400
you know, talked about becoming 
a world-class stand up by eating

831
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,000
shit on stage for three months 
or going into the gym and 

832
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,600
kicking the crap out of your 
body. 

833
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,600
So you can build up stronger. 
Those are things that are fairly

834
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,900
easy for us as humans to accept 
the idea of eating it from a 

835
00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:13,400
mental health perspective. 
So, you can come back stronger. 

836
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:15,700
Why is there a stigma attached 
to that? 

837
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:22,700
Well, I guess I guess it's 
similar to maybe being in the 

838
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:28,300
Army more when your kid being a 
camp and you tend to remember 

839
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:34,400
these experiences where your 
left kind of on your own and, 

840
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:38,400
you know, you, but your buddy, 
you make friends that you never 

841
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,600
forget. 
Yep. 

842
00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:44,200
Army buddies and stuff are 
friends for life motto, Bo 

843
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,800
buddies. 
Absolutely, absolutely. 

844
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:49,300
And I can only think of the guys
that, you know, storm the 

845
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:53,000
beaches at Omaha and Normandy 
and stuff like that, and 

846
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,700
survived. 
And I mean, so many of those 

847
00:49:57,700 --> 00:50:00,700
guys couldn't, you know, because
they can, they, these are guys 

848
00:50:00,700 --> 00:50:04,700
that, you know, were alive in 
the 20s 30s and 40s and fighting

849
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:09,200
in the World War Two, and they 
were in during their during the 

850
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,700
1940s. 
Yeah. 

851
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:13,700
And that was not a time where 
you stepped forward and said, oh

852
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:15,100
God. 
I'm depressed. 

853
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,700
Someone coming healthy. 
I'm depressed. 

854
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,100
They found it to be, you know. 
Those guys all found it to be 

855
00:50:22,107 --> 00:50:25,000
emasculated. 
That's why so many men and I've 

856
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,500
talked to some just won't talk 
about it. 

857
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:32,100
They talk about their their 
their, their combat years 

858
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:36,900
storming, the beaches or 
wherever they stormed because 

859
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:42,000
it's just too painful and I wish
that there could be a bridge 

860
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,600
built for them because they're 
holding onto things, you know. 

861
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,200
I mean, I haven't stormed the 
beaches of Normandy, I haven't 

862
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,400
been in a foxhole literally. 
Somebody, but when my 

863
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,500
granddaughter who is, I will 
tell you this straight up. 

864
00:50:54,500 --> 00:50:56,400
She's my favorite human being on
the planet. 

865
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,700
As much as I love. 
All the people that I admire is 

866
00:50:58,700 --> 00:51:00,900
that much as I love people, my 
family, my little granddaughter.

867
00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:04,400
She's for, she's my best friend.
She is my favorite human on the 

868
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,900
planet, and she has been that 
since she was born. 

869
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:10,500
And, and, and being at BC, 
Children's hospital with her, 

870
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,000
not knowing if she's going to 
come out of it, you know, she 

871
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,200
had a tumor, the size of my fist
behind her tailbone. 

872
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:22,700
I will tell you this, I would 
put That experience up against 

873
00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:24,900
some of the horrors that some of
these people have seen because I

874
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:27,500
saw the kids that were staying 
also at Ronald McDonald house 

875
00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:28,700
around her. 
That didn't make it out. 

876
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:32,100
I saw some of the situations on 
the oncology ward of his 

877
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:36,100
world-class facility. 
And and I mean, I'm saying that 

878
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:39,300
out right now not to not to 
create any emotional response in

879
00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:42,800
anybody, I'm saying it plainly 
and logically because I know by 

880
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,400
saying those things, I'm not 
bottling them up and it's a, 

881
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:51,700
those gentlemen that you talk 
about women and For that matter 

882
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,000
who have seen these types of 
things, it sounds easy to say 

883
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:59,000
are not easy. 
I guess that's the wrong word 

884
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:04,300
but it sounds relatable to say, 
okay, these are things that they

885
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:10,400
never want to ever dig up again.
But you and I are both 

886
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,000
Testaments to knowing that that 
building, that bridge of 

887
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:17,800
actually digging it up a little 
bit and doing some work can 

888
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,100
actually release it forever and 
and can Reframe it, at least 

889
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:24,800
reframe it forever. 
And you don't have to carry 

890
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,100
around this bag of rocks that 
you're carrying around and 

891
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:30,500
you're a testament to that to 
you carried a bag of rocks for a

892
00:52:30,508 --> 00:52:32,800
long time, at a couple periods 
of your life. 

893
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,900
And I love that you are here 
today to talk about the freedom 

894
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:38,500
and what it's like. 
And I don't want to put words in

895
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:40,400
your mouth, but but it feels 
pretty damn good. 

896
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,800
Take the to take that bag of 
rocks off your back. 

897
00:52:43,700 --> 00:52:45,900
Yeah it does. 
And let me say something else. 

898
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:50,400
Mike, I agree with that a 
wholeheartedly but everyone is 

899
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,100
different. 
Everyone says everyone is 

900
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:57,800
different chemically and 
neurologically people. 

901
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,200
Synapses are hooked up 
differently and so some people 

902
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,200
can go through a tremendous 
amount of trauma not become 

903
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,200
depressed. 
Some people can go through a 

904
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,800
little trauma or what they 
perceive to be a lot of trouble,

905
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,900
which isn't trouble, which was, 
which was what happened to me in

906
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:14,400
91? 
Yeah. 

907
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,800
And everyone is different. 
You know, it's not like if you 

908
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,500
Walk through the oncology Ward 
at wherever you were. 

909
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,600
Yeah, Johns Hopkins. 
Let's say Children's Hospital. 

910
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,700
Yeah, that you're going to 
become depressed. 

911
00:53:33,700 --> 00:53:36,500
It may make you more empathetic 
towards the world but you're not

912
00:53:36,500 --> 00:53:39,000
going to necessarily get 
depressed because you walk 

913
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,100
through it on college or and 
yet, if you had someone who was 

914
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:45,400
very dear to you like your 
granddaughter? 

915
00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:49,300
Yeah. 
That that that that's enough to 

916
00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:57,300
stimulate, you know, something 
more massive than just, you 

917
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:00,300
know, everyday feelings. 
Yeah, yeah. 

918
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:04,600
So, yeah. 
And so everyone is different, 

919
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:09,100
you know, I, you don't have to 
shake me a lot for me to feel 

920
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:15,300
shitty and I think that that 
might be experienced by fellow 

921
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:18,300
Comedians and and And the 
general populace, I guess is a 

922
00:54:18,300 --> 00:54:23,100
whole, I don't know, but 
everyone is different as to how 

923
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:26,400
much they. 
They, they need to be shaken in 

924
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,100
order to become depressed. 
My my only message if I can 

925
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:34,800
maybe homogenize this. 
Is that the minute you're 

926
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,300
feeling pain? 
Share that pain with somebody. 

927
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,900
Yeah and get some help and if 
you're getting psychiatric help,

928
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,600
let the doctor do the 
diagnosing. 

929
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:50,000
Don't say Well, I salute your 
home and he said, I should take 

930
00:54:50,000 --> 00:55:00,400
Prozac, you know, fuck it is. 
You know that's that's not 

931
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,400
that's not a Panacea. 
Believe me. 

932
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,000
Certainly what I say is just my 
own experience. 

933
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:08,500
Yes. 
And everybody will have their 

934
00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:11,500
own experience. 
Is they go through life? 

935
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:16,400
And if it's depression that hit 
you, my main message is speak 

936
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,900
about Talk about it, get some 
help. 

937
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:26,300
There's nothing emasculating 
about doing that either for a 

938
00:55:26,308 --> 00:55:28,700
woman or a man and you know, 
we've been talking here 

939
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,900
primarily I guess about me 
because I'm a guy. 

940
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:35,200
Sure. 
And I'm thinking you know, the 

941
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:40,700
people who storm Normandy were 
all men and yeah, you know, or 

942
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:44,200
in Afghanistan weren't all men. 
Yeah, there were there were 

943
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,700
there were women as well. 
So this goes for both. 

944
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,200
Both genders, I mean without a 
doubt. 

945
00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:52,500
Well and Candy talks about this 
all the time with her with her 

946
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:55,300
team and whatnot with, he 
changed it because I mean 

947
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:59,400
there's a whole there's a big 
plan that's that's a part of 

948
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,500
this. 
Like she changed it and we 

949
00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:03,600
change it or both waiting in the
wings. 

950
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,900
The reason why candy has felt so
compelled and driven with he 

951
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:12,100
changed it is because she 
doesn't like the world, her boys

952
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:14,500
are inheriting flat-out. 
There's there's she got two 

953
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:16,300
boys. 
We love them with all of our 

954
00:56:16,300 --> 00:56:18,600
hearts And she doesn't like the 
way the culture is Shifting. 

955
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,900
The way that in many ways, men 
are under attack and then you 

956
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:25,800
take the idea of the world help 
World Health Organization, seven

957
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,400
out of ten suicides are 
middle-aged men. 

958
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,900
You look at but again it's not 
all about suicides is he 

959
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:33,400
changing isn't necessarily a 
suicide prevention app. 

960
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,500
It's not because there's other 
ways that when men pop we talked

961
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:40,600
about crying being a pressure 
valve release. 

962
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,200
When the balloon pops, it might 
not be suicide. 

963
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,600
It could be violence, it could 
be again, heart attack. 

964
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:49,500
It's that kind of thing. 
And and so right, the world, the

965
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:52,200
World Health Organization calls,
men's mental Wellness, or men's 

966
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,900
mental health, a silent crisis. 
And so that's the tip of the 

967
00:56:55,900 --> 00:57:00,600
spear for her, but then the idea
of and, and what we're talking 

968
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,500
about here, again, I'm not 
trying to stigmatize but the 

969
00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:08,800
stats show us that women 
naturally do what you and I are 

970
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,600
talking about. 
That can be so bloody difficult 

971
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,100
for men to do women. 
Just do it naturally, they get 

972
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:16,200
together. 
And again, I'm not trying to 

973
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,600
Relies too too much, but it 
doesn't take very much of a 

974
00:57:19,607 --> 00:57:21,800
stretch to realize that. 
This situation that I'm saying 

975
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,000
is common women get together, 
maybe there's a couple glasses 

976
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,100
of wine. 
They say some outlandish things 

977
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:29,500
that they don't necessarily even
mean it gets rid of it and they 

978
00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:32,600
just kind of move on. 
Yeah, I don't do that. 

979
00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:37,600
That doesn't exempt women from 
from having, you know. 

980
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,700
Anyway, no room what we've been 
talking about, no, because 

981
00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:44,900
though, women are just like men,
there's a certain amount of 

982
00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:48,300
shaking you need to do and in 
order for them to become 

983
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:50,800
depressed. 
Yeah, it may be a different 

984
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,900
scale for different people but 
women are women are very 

985
00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:57,900
susceptible to depression. 
Like when I say very 

986
00:57:57,900 --> 00:58:00,100
susceptible, I mean women are 
susceptible. 

987
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,000
Yeah, just like men are 
susceptible. 

988
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:06,800
Yeah, it's just figuring out the
buttons that get pressed to push

989
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:12,600
that that caused it but yeah no 
II appreciate this discussion so

990
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,000
much II. 
This is this is your 

991
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,300
vulnerability. 
Jeff is I very, very, very much 

992
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:24,700
appreciated 98 you get through 
that dark period And I mean, 

993
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:28,100
we're quite a bit removed from 
98 right now and, you know, 

994
00:58:28,100 --> 00:58:32,000
you're in a different aspect of 
your career, you stop doing 

995
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,100
stand-up. 
You still do your close-up magic

996
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:37,400
and things like that, which 
which again, I just hope and 

997
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,800
pray that somehow someway, our 
paths are going to cross down 

998
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,100
the line. 
Where I can see that a 

999
00:58:42,107 --> 00:58:44,500
facilitate that live somehow 
someway. 

1000
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:47,000
Well, the problem. 
Problem. 

1001
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,800
Mike, is that if you do see, me 
do close-up, magic, you may 

1002
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:58,300
become depressed. 
I don't believe that to be true 

1003
00:58:58,300 --> 00:59:03,700
and I cannot wait to test that, 
that, that, that theory see were

1004
00:59:03,700 --> 00:59:06,200
talking before. 
Mike, you were talking before 

1005
00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:09,600
about valves to go with like a 
quiet. 

1006
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:17,000
I think it's also good as a 
warning signal, and let me Me 

1007
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,500
tell you what I mean by that. 
Yes, you are going through your 

1008
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:23,400
life as you do every day. 
And there's a rhythm to 

1009
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,300
everyone's life, may be very 
different for different people. 

1010
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:32,800
If you feel that Rhythm being 
interrupted by anger feelings of

1011
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,500
violence, feelings of, I don't 
want to kill myself, feelings of

1012
00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:41,200
hopelessness, these are signals 
telling you, you need to reach 

1013
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,400
out. 
And these are signals that 

1014
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,900
you're getting from your body to
tell you. 

1015
00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:50,800
Something is wrong. 
Yeah. 

1016
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,900
And it needs attention. 
Yep. 

1017
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,200
And it doesn't need to be 
silenced or kept inside. 

1018
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,900
It needs to be released and 
treated. 

1019
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:04,600
Yes, it's the, what do they used
to call it in the 70s on your, 

1020
01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:06,700
when your oil light will go? 
It's the idiot. 

1021
01:00:06,700 --> 01:00:08,700
Like, it's the light on the 
dash. 

1022
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:11,800
Bright red in front of you. 
Hey, put some oil in the car. 

1023
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,800
You fool like like Yes, these 
are signals that. 

1024
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,900
Yes, that's a great way. 
Thank you for saying that. 

1025
01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:19,600
That's exactly right. 
That's exactly right. 

1026
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,500
How's it been since 98? 
Have you had any dust-ups with 

1027
01:00:24,500 --> 01:00:26,700
your mental health? 
Have you been pretty much steady

1028
01:00:26,700 --> 01:00:29,900
on the the medication? 
The therapy the talking back and

1029
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:32,700
forth with friends, obviously 
you're in a different part of 

1030
01:00:32,700 --> 01:00:35,100
life. 
You know, I say this very 

1031
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:38,900
respectfully, you're seeing 
friends from the past, you're 

1032
01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:41,900
seeing them pass on. 
You're seeing your in a 

1033
01:00:41,908 --> 01:00:45,700
different part of life. 
Right now and it's and it's, you

1034
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:48,500
know, in dealing with, with 
mental health stuff and seeing 

1035
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:51,800
that kind of stuff. 
How's it been in this chapter? 

1036
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,800
I'm old. 
I guess I'm old. 

1037
01:00:54,600 --> 01:01:00,400
I'm 92 years old, nearly over, I
felt like Jonathan Winters, icy 

1038
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,100
Jonathan numbers comes up to you
and he goes, you know, I was 

1039
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:07,300
over term out today. 
I was talking to a 26 year old 

1040
01:01:07,300 --> 01:01:08,500
kid. 
He said, what have you done 

1041
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:10,600
lately? 
You know. 

1042
01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:16,500
Oh God bless Jonathan Winters. 
You and Dave, both love that 

1043
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:19,500
guy. 
Hey, probably our favorite of 

1044
01:01:19,500 --> 01:01:21,500
all times. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1045
01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:23,900
A favorite of all time along 
with prior and Carlin. 

1046
01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:28,300
And yeah, I mean, I mean, you 
know, I think about your running

1047
01:01:28,300 --> 01:01:30,300
mates along the way like like 
George and all that. 

1048
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:31,800
I don't want to bring up painful
stuff. 

1049
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,700
But I mean, you know, it is a 
but at the same time, I mean, 

1050
01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:37,400
it's feels like you've dealt 
with this stuff along the way 

1051
01:01:38,300 --> 01:01:40,100
when you were, you know, 
younger. 

1052
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:42,800
You've learned some of these 
truths truths that guys. 

1053
01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:45,300
Guys, my age in their forties 
are just starting to learn right

1054
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:49,500
now and and and and that's 
that's that's such a necessary 

1055
01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:52,700
thing and taking wisdom from 
folks who have lived a few more 

1056
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:55,400
years than us is so important. 
I adore. 

1057
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,300
That how's life been for you 
since since then? 

1058
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,200
Have you been on the same? 
Regiment know? 

1059
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,400
My regimen has changed a little 
bit. 

1060
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:11,600
I'm 98 did not go away as 
rapidly as 91. 

1061
01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:16,000
Yeah, 91 Seemed to kind of come 
to an end and then I kind of 

1062
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,300
picked up my life and went back 
to work. 

1063
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:21,200
Yeah, not went back to work. 
I can tell you, I was working 

1064
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,900
the whole time. 
I went through the depression 

1065
01:02:23,100 --> 01:02:27,300
sure, but your mentality went 
back to work with it and you 

1066
01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:30,300
weren't as distracted and I 
noticed one more just phone. 

1067
01:02:30,300 --> 01:02:33,300
Again, I noticed when I was on 
the set of the show I was doing 

1068
01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:36,800
called nurses, that they played 
ping-pong on the set all the 

1069
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:42,200
time. 
And and I noticed because I'm a 

1070
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,200
decent paying pong player. 
And I noticed that when it is as

1071
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,000
I started to feel better, I 
start playing more and more ping

1072
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,600
pong and eventually, the ping 
pong started to become fun 

1073
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,600
again, and that's when I knew I 
was getting better but in 98, 

1074
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:01,900
that depression kind of 
persisted, I didn't get well on,

1075
01:03:02,100 --> 01:03:07,300
you know, September 13. 
Yeah, you know, I lasted in the 

1076
01:03:07,300 --> 01:03:10,900
last until finally, they put 
through a cocktail for me that 

1077
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:15,900
eventually worked and I became, 
I would say, undepressed, okay, 

1078
01:03:15,900 --> 01:03:20,700
and that took maybe a little 
while I wasn't feeling depressed

1079
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:24,300
endlessly but I you know, those 
commercials you see light now 

1080
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,800
taking your medication but still
feeling a little depressed. 

1081
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,900
I'm sure you seen those 
commercials that's kind of how I

1082
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:32,300
was. 
I was taking my medicine and I 

1083
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:35,000
felt okay and I could function 
and I can go out and do anything

1084
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:40,200
I wanted but I didn't feel 100%.
Yeah, well this fellow I see at 

1085
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:47,200
UCLA. 
Eventually change the cocktail 

1086
01:03:47,500 --> 01:03:51,700
and things got, got to be okay, 
and I've had a few little 

1087
01:03:51,700 --> 01:03:56,600
dust-ups but they've been just 
very, very minor. 

1088
01:03:58,100 --> 01:04:03,000
And I've been depression free 
since I, you know, clinically 

1089
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:10,800
depressed not not since 98, But 
that is that is a that provides 

1090
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,100
hope right there and perspective
again you know to use that 

1091
01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:17,700
phrase that gets used a lot but 
it it's get used a lot because 

1092
01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:21,900
it's real everything is 
temporary and you know your 

1093
01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:23,800
situation is a testament to 
that. 

1094
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,000
I appreciate the fact that you 
are so willing to talk about 

1095
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,200
this with with guys out there as
we kind of move to the closure, 

1096
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:36,900
Jeff, the gratitude that I have 
for you to do this and to feel 

1097
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,800
Way compelled to share your 
story here with our audience and

1098
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,400
to, and to just thank you so 
much for this. 

1099
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,300
I really appreciate it. 
Are there any kind of closing 

1100
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:50,900
words or or sediments you have 
might have four guys who are out

1101
01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:51,800
there? 
I mean, I don't want to be a 

1102
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,700
broken record. 
I know talk to people and things

1103
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:56,800
like that. 
We we've hit that pretty hard. 

1104
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,900
Are there any any any parting 
words that you wanted to make 

1105
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:05,000
sure that you got into this show
here before we close her up? 

1106
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,600
Well, let me say this, there is 
an almost every case I can think

1107
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:15,900
of that, I know of people who 
ended their lives intentionally,

1108
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:22,600
there was really little or no 
reason for them to do it. 

1109
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,900
When it's analyzed as you step 
back from it, in their minds, 

1110
01:05:25,900 --> 01:05:27,800
they were doing exactly what 
they felt. 

1111
01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:31,300
They had to do. 
Yeah, but there was no reason, 

1112
01:05:31,300 --> 01:05:34,100
Robin had to go when he did, I 
don't know what kind of help he 

1113
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:38,300
was getting or what kind of All 
the pressures he was under but 

1114
01:05:38,300 --> 01:05:41,400
it's always manageable there's 
always a step you can take 

1115
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:48,100
forward there is I said before 
the realization that these kinds

1116
01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:52,000
of things do not last forever. 
Yeah and the hopelessness is a 

1117
01:05:52,008 --> 01:05:55,400
lie coming back, it's part of 
the disease itself. 

1118
01:05:55,400 --> 01:06:00,000
The disease of depression is 
hopelessness and that's that's 

1119
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,200
that's the disease talking to 
you. 

1120
01:06:02,300 --> 01:06:04,600
That's the voice of the disease 
inside of you. 

1121
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,300
That is that That doesn't 
necessarily mean things are 

1122
01:06:08,300 --> 01:06:09,900
hopeless. 
That's the effects of 

1123
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:15,000
depression, speaking, right in 
your ear, and and you must 

1124
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:20,800
realize it will end, there's a 
future and happy times to come, 

1125
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,300
and I can assure that of all 
people, as long as you're able 

1126
01:06:25,300 --> 01:06:31,400
to get out and get some help 
some camaraderie, and perhaps a 

1127
01:06:31,408 --> 01:06:37,300
medication I'm closing it. 
That's thank you. 

1128
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,800
Thank you. 
Jeff, I'll go here, and then 

1129
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:45,500
we'll say our goodbyes 
privately, but Jeff Altman is is

1130
01:06:45,500 --> 01:06:49,900
a world-class entertainment. 
But I was also taken experience 

1131
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,700
in life and turned it into 
world-class wisdom. 

1132
01:06:53,100 --> 01:06:54,900
And and I mean, I'm not gonna 
let you say anything over that 

1133
01:06:54,900 --> 01:06:56,900
because you guys all you, none 
of you guys can take your 

1134
01:06:56,900 --> 01:06:59,300
compliment very well. 
It just for whatever reason, 

1135
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,700
every single one of you. 
And I when I try and and and 

1136
01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:05,100
really, really Ain't you could 
deflect it. 

1137
01:07:05,100 --> 01:07:07,800
You're so you guys are so good 
at your like ninjas with a 

1138
01:07:07,808 --> 01:07:10,400
throwing star coming at you. 
You're so good at deflecting it.

1139
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:15,500
Jeff, you funny, entertaining, 
to a fault of course, but also 

1140
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:19,600
wise and, and willing to share 
that wisdom, I cannot thank you 

1141
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:25,500
enough for coming onto he cast 
here and helping us, you know, 

1142
01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:27,500
be The Little Engine That Could 
get this thing out there a 

1143
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:29,500
little bit more. 
Certainly your profile and your 

1144
01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:34,400
story will help with that. 
But also, I just appreciate Our 

1145
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,500
second or third phone. 
Call you assured me? 

1146
01:07:37,500 --> 01:07:39,100
Hey Mike, you know what? 
We're friends now. 

1147
01:07:39,100 --> 01:07:42,000
We can we can just talk as 
friends and and I can't tell you

1148
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:45,000
how much that means to me 
personally that I can call you 

1149
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,900
up and we can talk about this 
stuff but the fact that you 

1150
01:07:46,900 --> 01:07:50,900
would do it publicly and I mean 
you know what, even if it's just

1151
01:07:50,900 --> 01:07:54,600
the dozens of us that see it now
he's a little hyperbola SLI but 

1152
01:07:55,300 --> 01:07:57,100
I can't. 
Thank you enough for being so 

1153
01:07:57,100 --> 01:08:00,000
open publicly about this stuff. 
Jeff it means the world to me. 

1154
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,700
Thank you my friend. 
Let me just can I just say one 

1155
01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:05,000
more thing quickly besides me. 
Things you want? 

1156
01:08:05,100 --> 01:08:07,900
Absolutely. 
I just want to say one thing 

1157
01:08:07,900 --> 01:08:09,100
quickly. 
Yes sir. 

1158
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:15,000
Goodbye. 
There you have it, ladies and 

1159
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,899
gentlemen. 
That is that's another episode 

1160
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,399
of. 
He cast the official podcast of 

1161
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:23,700
he changed it, download, 
subscribe, share, do all of 

1162
01:08:23,700 --> 01:08:26,700
that, lovely stuff. 
His name is Jeff Altman. 

1163
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,899
My name is Mike Chisholm that is
another of episode of he changed

1164
01:08:30,899 --> 01:08:33,700
it, the official podcast of he 
changed it. 

1165
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,000
Go change something.