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Welcome to heat cast, the 
official podcast of heat changed

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it. 
As always, I am Mike Chisholm as

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always, I'm excited to have a 
conversation surrounding the 

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world of men's mental Wellness 
and, and, and we have guests on 

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here all the time who really at 
the end of the day, many times 

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are just telling their story 
and, and our guest today is is 

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no exception to that. 
Our guest today is a guy by the 

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name of Doctor Rob Yanover. 
Rob is a very, very cool guy. 

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He's, he's had a lot of life. 
He's lived a lot of life in the 

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67 years he's been on this 
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He's lived a couple of lives. 
You know, he's got a PhD. 

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He was in the Galapagos Islands 
measuring all sorts of, you 

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know, at the end of the day, the
current creation of our planet, 

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measuring magma at the, at the 
bottom of the ocean has been in 

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submersibles and all sorts of 
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That's where he did his PhD. 
But at the end of the day, his 

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whole goal was to get to the 
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And that's he's a surfer. 
He wanted to go to Hawaii and, 

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and, and be there and, and, and 
he did that and he became an 

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inventor and an entrepreneur and
has invented all sorts of 

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things. 
And we talk about some of those 

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inventions here. 
And, and he was featured on 

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Shark Tank. 
We talk about that on the show 

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as well. 
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there's also another side of 
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He had his, his wife tragically 
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but he was a caregiver for her 
for 19 years and balancing the 

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idea of, you know, who he was 
and wanting to chase dreams and 

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these big goals, but at the same
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He sure learned a lot. 
Very charismatic guy and, and, 

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and, and he really talks about a
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him get through the things that 
he he got through and, and where

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he's at and why he has the 
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And really, if there's like 
there's a a through line for 

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this episode, it's the attitude 
that we have as we're going 

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through stuff and and I hope 
that there are people who listen

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to this or watch this episode 
who can take food, good food for

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good thought with what Doctor 
Rob says. 

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So without further ado, I'd like
to you to I hope you enjoy my 

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conversation with Doctor Rob 
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Rob, I'm so excited to have you 
on he cast today and and with 

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the with the variety of 
adventures that you have have 

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have been on in your life, it is
a really tough place to figure 

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out where to start with you. 
So I'm just going to start with 

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this doctor Rob Yanover. 
Thank you for coming on he cast.

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What is your doctorate in? 
Thanks Mike. 

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I appreciate that. 
I have a doctor that PhD in 

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geochemistry volcanology. 
I worked on ocean floor lavas 

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off Galapagos and got to go down
the Alvin submersible and worked

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on my sample with MIT, NASA and 
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Wow, I don't. 
Know there's a lot. 

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How did you? 
OK but was this like a red at a 

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high school thing? 
I want to be as a like. 

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I mean it's so much more. 
I don't even know how to 

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classify. 
Well, I was, I was a surfer in 

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Miami, which is a terrible place
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The waves were an inch high and 
the women were mean. 

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So I dreamed about Hawaii my 
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And I just, I just, I learned 
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derelict friends, which I still 
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But if I got A's in school, I 
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would give me more. 
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responsibility, responsibility, 
resourcefulness. 

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And I went off to chart on all 
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So I got straight A's and my 
friends were criminals. 

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But surfing was always the 
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I became a pool boy and worked 
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It's very cliche. 
Went to college, didn't know 

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what to want to do. 
Had a great geology professor 

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and, you know, it studied 
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minerals, diamonds, oil. 
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I can get one off my back 
telling me how much money I have

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to make. 
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are in the coolest places and 
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So that led to my master's and, 
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University of Hawaii, got a full
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again, I got straight As and I 
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You know, it wasn't easy, but I 
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and came out here 4042 years 
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So the PhD like like, you know, 
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like a thesis or a like a, like 
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What was your? 
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That got you your PhD. 
It's a dissertation. 

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But PhD stands were piled higher
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You know that. 
So I can talk a lot of shit. 

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No, I worked on the submarine 
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So there's the ocean floor is 
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And we went down the submersible
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And we wanted to categorize how 
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ocean floor. 
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know what what the magma was 
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youthful. 
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compositions, but what really 
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before it died, deep pulses from
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we discovered some of the most 
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And what I looked at were melt 
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When the lavas form, like when 
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there's a bubble gets stuck. 
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minerals. 
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individual minerals. 
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could blast the little tiny 
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of what was really happening in 
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mixed up in the ocean floor and 
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So my PhD was working on, first 
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method of looking at the 
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also that field area, the 
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W. 
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that no one really cares about 
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geologists. 
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me because, you know, I, I felt 
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more useful and more rewarding. 
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entrepreneurial background, so I
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something else. 
Also, when you get your PhD 

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somewhere, they encourage you to
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And I got to Hawaii. 
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got here, but it took me 25 
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I wasn't leaving just to become 
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somewhere. 
So I started a little side 

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business side side that 
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behind you is what I invented 
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The idea when you're lost at 
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your head's a coconut or your 
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coconut in the water. 
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die. 
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right away. 
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phones tell you the general area
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So I invented that. 
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quit my day job because to build
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you got to keep money flowing 
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going to take. 
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technology and just kept working
it and working it hard and, you 

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know, got it all the way. 
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sixteens now. 
I got it on Shark Tank. 

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So it's a great, great success 
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But people don't see all the 
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Well, that's, that's kind of 
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like, like, like my wife and her
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years we've been building this 
thing and, and, and, and, and if

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and when it it does what it's 
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are going to be like, oh, 
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Well, no, it ain't an overnight 
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I found that there are very few 
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usually had been incubating for 
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Exactly, that's why it takes so 
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money. 
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alternative source of income, 
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that I've kind of flirted with, 
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not always a good thing. 
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I'm, I'm playing the long game 
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outlast everyone, I'm going to 
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So if things don't go quickly, 
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and selling it. 
And I, there's no way and, and I

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have kids and I have grandkids 
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my invention. 
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to say, oh, you should do this. 
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and, and maybe jeopardize the 
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say, I'm in for, I'm in it for 
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You know, my wife is a non tech 
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she learned a lot. 
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one of her mentors told her 
right away is be very careful 

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with VC money. 
Be very careful with when it 

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comes to getting in. 
And so, you know, it's a longer,

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harder Rd., but, but being able 
to kind of do this without any 

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major investment and get it to 
that place, Boy, does it ever 

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pay off in, in dividends, both 
figuratively and and and 

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literally and, and. 
It's really your baby, you know 

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there. 
There's always a struggle. 

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The human nature is who did 
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and and one of my philosophies 
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more fun than your partner. 
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and many partnerships, 
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late wife used to say, man, stop
playing, playing with that piece

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of plastic, get a job, stop 
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I mean, she knew who I was, but 
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tough, if you're having more fun
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if they perceive that you're 
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tug of war on on who's doing 
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encounter when, when things are 
rushed or especially when you 

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need money. 
That's why the idea of doing it 

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as a side job, whatever it is, 
you know, I always say don't 

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quit your day job so you can 
quit your day job. 

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You see, you can't quit till 
you're ready to quit because you

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know, everyone thinks it's just 
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good lesson I learned a long 

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time ago. 
We talked about this on, on, on 

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on a recent episode. 
I forget who it was with, but, 

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but it was a, it was a Jim Rohn.
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it was a, it was a, it was 
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It's, it's feed your family 
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fortune at night. 
And, and I, I mean, there are so

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many, like, again, there's a lot
of guys out there who are 

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grinding it out. 
They're, you know, not blessed 

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enough to come from an 
entrepreneurial background and 

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understand the, the benefits and
pitfalls of, of, of that 

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particular particular thing. 
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I mean, if you find something 
that you're passionate about, 

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right, it makes the day job 
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Like, like when you know that 
you're working on something and 

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towards something, the process 
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And, and, and, and if you're 
working towards something that 

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could potentially take you out 
of that day job, Oh my gosh, 

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that puts you leagues ahead of 
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beside or working with, because 
they're just, you know, tunnels 

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and moving forward. 
And that's right. 

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Now it's so true. 
So many guys need to find that. 

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Plus the, the, the simplest 
thing is to start with math 172 

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seven days a week, 24 hours a 
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Only 40 hours a week is a job 
that leaves 88, another 40 to 

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sleep. 
That still leaves 48. 

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So I used to help him put your 
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nights, weekends and all that. 
And, and, and again, you're 

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right, if you have a passion to 
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And for me, becoming 
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one thing, but to I, to me, the 
highest levels of is our, if you

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save lives, that's my thing. 
So I'm not building bombs, I'm 

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not building an app, no offense 
to any app builders, that's 

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cool, But I want to build 
something that might save 

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someone's ass one day. 
And it has. 

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And, and I, and I felt the joy 
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military guy, came up to me and 
another local skin diver came up

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to me and said, Hey, man, that 
thing works. 

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It saved my life. 
And that, that was the best gift

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of all. 
So I, I still want to do more of

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that. 
And that's why I'm going all the

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way. 
I'm not, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm

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not, I'm, you know, you know, 
the tortoise and the hare. 

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Of course, you know, the, I am 
the ultimate tortoise. 

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I am plugging away. 
You know, people can't believe 

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it, but this idea was thought of
in 85 before you were probably 

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born. 
And I'm not going all the, I'm, 

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I'm not quitting. 
And, and, and once those 

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military guys saw that because 
they dismissed me early on, like

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who's this idiot from Hawaii, 
this surfer with a piece of 

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plastic? 
They will. 

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I'm not going away. 
I'm going to save your house one

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day or save some of your troops 
asses so that that's where where

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it stands. 
I appreciate you're a charmer. 

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I'm actually a 76 baby. 
I remember 85 very, very well. 

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So but I gotta you said you came
from an entrepreneurial family 

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inventing invention type family.
It's like you're in the family 

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business a little bit. 
No, no, no, you're not the 

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family, the family sector. 
OK. 

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Yes, yes, my father started a 
mail order business 80 say 70 

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years ago, 60 something. 
He passed away at 95, still 

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working into his 90s. 
He started a mail order company 

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in his part time. 
He was a salesman out of 

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Chicago, then Miami, and he did 
exactly the on the side. 

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And I saw him. 
In fact, the book, one of the 

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books I wrote, Hardcore 
Inventing the working title was 

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Inventing in Your Underwear as 
an homage to him because the guy

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used to work at home in his 
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fashionable. 
Everyone knows about it now. 

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But. 
He had a phone. 

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He had two phones in the house, 
one that rang his office a few 

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miles away and he had two in the
bathroom. 

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He loved toilet time. 
Don't ask me about that one was 

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red and we used to kid that our 
friend, that's the white that's 

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the house aligned to the 
president in his toilet. 

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He had two phones, but, and we 
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the house that said just say no 
to real jobs. 

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And it was you, if you got a 
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money while you're doing your 
passion, that was kind of like a

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disappointment. 
So he started this, you know, he

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started this mail order company 
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off and it funded him for 50-60 
years. 

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Yeah, more so. 
And my mom was kind of an 

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artist. 
He was a, he was World War 2, 

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Battle of the Bulge, Purple 
Heart guy. 

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And he didn't he, he lived in 
Chicago. 

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It was snowy and, and I, you 
know, I was born there. 

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We left when I was one. 
I still was thanking him for 

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that forever. 
Nothing wrong with Chicago, but 

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as a surfer? 
Little sunnier, little sunny in 

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Florida. 
So yeah, entrepreneur. 

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Spirit was always in us and we 
always, his thing was always we 

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can fix it and we didn't have 
any money. 

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He was part of the Depression 
and so his whole thing was 

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making things out of nothing, 
out of junk piles. 

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So when I go to stores, I don't 
really look at the products 

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offered as much as what can I 
break away from that and build 

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something else with? 
And so we were tinkerers and our

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house looked very homemade 
growing up. 

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And even now I have friends with
a lot of money. 

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They come over here and they're 
like, I have AI have a little 

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boat that I used to commercial 
fish. 

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I still fish and dive off at 
surf. 

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My friend said, haven't you 
bought one thing from a boat 

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store for your boat? 
And I go, no, I took that as a 

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badge of honor. 
He was saying that as a put down

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so that that's a different 
perspective. 

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So it's function over form. 
I, I don't care how it looks. 

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If it works, it's great. 
And if you made it even greater.

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So I think that's that's the key
for creativity, you know, be 

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creative with the materials you 
haven't had. 

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Creativity I, I, I'm going to 
date us again. 

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You're, you're, you're a 
MacGyver, a, a guy who can 

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fashion one thing into another 
and, and, and make things. 

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It's it's amazing to have a 
brain like that doesn't shut 

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off. 
Do you have a hard time shutting

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it off? 
No, that's, that's the problem. 

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But I, I've learned how to shut 
it off. 

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I, you know, when I I'm in the 
ocean, when I'm in the ocean, 

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you know, paddling, I, I couple 
miles a day, I paddle for lunch 

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break or, or surfing waves. 
It doesn't shut off. 

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It actually go our our fishing 
in rough water. 

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It goes on in the survival mode 
and and even at sleep, it's hard

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to shut it down. 
The the truth is, and I laugh 

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about this, the only time I can 
really shut it down is when I'm 

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watching a movie, especially 
like foreign movies. 

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Yeah, because I'm so into it. 
I'm so into movies my whole 

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life. 
And now with the streaming, I'm 

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watching movies from all over 
the world and I'm my girlfriend 

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gives me shit. 
And she's like, you got to, you 

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got to get every line. 
And I start making up scenarios.

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She's going, you're overthinking
it. 

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I go, yeah, yeah, but I'm in 
there. 

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I'm I'm in that world. 
My world's off when I decide to 

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go into someone else's world of 
a movie or a television show. 

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So, but other than that, it's 
never off my mind. 

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I I'm so antsy. 
But the common, the common trait

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in both of those things, of 
course, is imagination. 

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And, and and you said it 
earlier, the creativity and, and

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we live in a world right now 
where, I mean, the norm is to 

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distract ourselves so much that 
creativity gets, gets, gets 

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completely stifled. 
I know, you know, even. 

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Yeah. 
Like, like like like. 

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I can't. 
I can't overemphasize the need 

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for some boredom every once in a
while. 

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Absolutely. 
Where you could just sit and 

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just let your brain start to do 
its thing and let the creativity

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start to spin a little bit 
because you never know what it 

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what ideas is going to put 
there. 

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Right I, I, I got these 
grandkids now and I, I'm, I 

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decided I don't even want them 
at my house. 

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I got this crazy dog who might 
kill them just by accident by 

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wagon's tail. 
But more importantly, I want 

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them to be bored and I want them
to be in nature. 

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So my, I used to be uncle 
punishment. 

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I don't really like kids, but 
they like me. 

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And I, my, my new moniker is no 
electricity grandpa. 

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So when I pick them up, I don't 
go anywhere where there's 

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electricity. 
It's always nature, except for 

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restaurants where I'm training 
them how to eat, be burritos or,

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or whatever you have. 
So I, I don't really, I think 

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it's critical because what 
they're about to face is the 

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scourge of this world, which 
most everyone loves, which I was

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the, I think the only guy in 
2007 to say the iPhone is full 

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of shit. 
And I still say that I, I am so 

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against smartphones. 
I'm and now AI is even worse. 

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You know, when I grew up, there 
was a kid in our neighborhood, 

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we'd go knock on the kids door 
and the mother would say, oh, 

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he's watching TV, can't play 
now. 

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And he became TV Kevy. 
That was became his nickname. 

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It was it was horrible. 
So now why is it okay to have 

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everyone has a color TV in their
pocket, a cell phone, a 

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smartphone, smartphone and why? 
And the other thing, the two 

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points of data that I'll pull up
is Steve Jobs didn't let his 

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kids have one number one #2 they
have Apple commercials showing 

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you how creative and useful you 
are with with apps and and the 

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iPhone. 
No way. 

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Because it's too much 
stimulation. 

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You can't think. 
And like, back to your point 

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about boredom, I totally agree. 
Being bored in nature and making

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stuff, you know, it's so I want 
to think like a child. 

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And that's how my little 
grandkids are like that. 

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You, you don't have to give them
toys. 

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You go out in nature. 
They're going to make toys with 

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a stick. 
They're going to make a game 

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with the grass, whatever it is. 
They're creative. 

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And we're losing that. 
And just to back up my, my 

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thumb, this is my phone. 
OK, So it's it's like a souped 

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up BlackBerry. 
It has buttons and if I send you

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a text I went ABBCC. 
There's build T1, the T1 

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language 1 so. 
I have an iPad and I do use tech

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and I'm old so I'm now I'm 
already a lost cause. 

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I'm old already, but I am 
worried about the youth of today

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and forget about reading books 
that they're just and and even 

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and I just read something where 
movies and TV shows are still 

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way better 'cause they tell the 
whole story, a story that's 

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storytelling instead of this, 
you know, scan, scan, scroll. 8 

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seconds doom scrolling. 
Yep. 

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Yep, right, exactly. 
And then and and even the dating

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thing, forget about that. 
It's horrible. 

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You know, guys and women, they 
can't even talk to each other 

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when I, I do a lot of outreach 
education. 

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These kids are real. 
It's really bad. 

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I mean, they, they have no 
social skills and it's really 

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tough. 
It's tough to compete with a 

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color TV in your pocket. 
I mean, and I love color TV's. 

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I'm not saying I don't love 
them. 

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They have a place though. 
And that place shouldn't be in 

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your pocket. 
And you know, there's a big, 

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there's a big, you know, OK, 
2007 now, 2026 now everyone's 

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caught on. 
There's a big movement they're 

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trying to ban kids 1600. 
I'm totally behind all of that. 

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And even this iPad's in school 
and the argument used to be all 

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but they'll they'll need to know
how to use use it. 

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You could figure it out in like 
a a day or an hour. 

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It's not that hard. 
They they designed it for that. 

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They designed it so a three-year
old can learn how to swipe and 

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do the things that like they 
make it so simple to do that. 

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And I mean, yeah, you're right. 
The priority needs to be on 

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these connective things. 
Like this is what he changed and

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is all about is connecting 
right? 

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And, and, and connection is, is 
such a a valuable tool. 

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But then, like, you talk about 
like, I mean, I was gonna ask 

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you if you meditate, but it 
feels like you meditate when 

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you're on the water. 
It feels like, it feels like 

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that's kind of your that's 
that's the thing that you can do

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to kind of tune out. 
You know, you've been surfing 

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for 40 something years now. 
Yes. 

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Yeah. 
Do you surf every day? 

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Pretty much I, I come down when 
I'm a little older. 

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I, I either do the two mile, I 
do a two mile lunch paddle on a 

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thing called the prone paddle 
board. 

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It's a lay down paddle board. 
So, and it's very Zen about 

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meditating. 
It's one hand in front of the 

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other, you know, wax on, wax 
off. 

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I mean, and the other thing is 
if you're going to be a surfer, 

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99.9% of surfing is paddling. 
You only catch a 10 or 22nd ride

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at most, So and you only catch 
10 or 15 of those on a great 

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day. 
So it's under a minute or two up

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for three, two or three hours in
the water. 

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And then I free dive and then 
freestyle medley swim while I'm 

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out a mile just to train. 
So I, if those are days I don't 

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surf, but now that I'm older, I 
realized I used to work and do 

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other things all day. 
So if I'm a big physical project

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or even mental, I have to rest. 
I can't do everything because I 

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want to be on for the things I 
need to do. 

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So, but I do, I typically surf 
or paddle every day. 

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And that's the goal. 
I mean that that's really, and 

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again, that's the easiest way to
disconnect and the easiest way 

440
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,040
to get in your head. 
And my best ideas are out in the

441
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,960
water. 
And years later, my father said,

442
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,560
you know, he's not, he swam, but
he grew up in Chicago, so he 

443
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,400
learned to swim with his head 
above the water. 

444
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,800
So he said to me, he goes, 
you're no, you're right about 

445
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,400
the water giving your ideas. 
But for me it was the shower, 

446
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,240
you know, and, and, and OK, 
that's getting wet. 

447
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,560
And that's, you know, something,
something about being wet. 

448
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,000
So I do, I constantly come in 
from surfing or paddling and run

449
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,640
to get a piece of paper to write
all these crazy ideas I have, 

450
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,000
write them down. 
I'm still into pieces of paper 

451
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,320
and pens. 
And the other thing is it it's a

452
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,560
numbers game. 
I have 100 inventions. 

453
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,720
If only two or three are 
successful, that's good. 

454
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,640
So there's a lot of crazy that 
comes out of me, but you just 

455
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,600
have to be able to kind of mine 
and discern what the good ones 

456
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,880
are. 
And that's where you know your 

457
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,040
time will tell if it's a good 
one or not really. 

458
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:32,680
But I mean, you only have so 
much time. 

459
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,040
Well, that's, well, is that the 
truth? 

460
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,360
Isn't that the truth? 
I, I, I want to get into some of

461
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,680
the inventions and Shark Tank 
and all of that stuff. 

462
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,080
But before we do that, I, I also
want to talk about there's 

463
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,880
another side of you that that 
is, is, is really, in my 

464
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,920
opinion, very, very important. 
I had a my my my wife went 

465
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:56,360
through a pretty severe 18 
months in 2016, 2017. 

466
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:57,640
Thank you that she's on the 
other side of it. 

467
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,520
Up in Canada, Lyme disease isn't
something that gets diagnosed as

468
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,280
easily as it does in other 
places in the world. 

469
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,320
And when you have something like
that, your body short circuits 

470
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,600
and they can't really tell why. 
And we've got a wonderful 

471
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,320
healthcare system up here, but 
it just doesn't diagnose the 

472
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,640
same. 
So it took us about 18 months, 

473
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,360
including times where she was in
the hospital paralyzed. 

474
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,480
One of the things that they kept
testing her for was multiple 

475
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,160
sclerosis and, and, and, and, 
and, you know, because it 

476
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,120
mimicked it. 
And Yep, no, exactly. 

477
00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:28,520
Thank goodness. 
Thank goodness it didn't turn 

478
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,160
out to be that. 
And we sent her blood off to 

479
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,600
Germany and they they, they test
for Lyme more extensively there.

480
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,480
And she hadn't driven in six 
months. 

481
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,480
And within about two or three 
weeks after we realized what it 

482
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,000
was, she was back to driving 
again and back to normal life. 

483
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:47,920
But we certainly saw a reality, 
a potential timeline where 

484
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,760
things were going to get 
different. 

485
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,720
And then? 
Things were going to progress 

486
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,400
and they were going to go down. 
You were a caregiver, right? 

487
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,280
Well, I I lived that whole story
to the maximum. 

488
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,320
My wife was training for a 
marathon, started her foot 

489
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,520
started dragging. 
You know, she's a great athlete,

490
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:11,280
37 years old. 
From that day she went from foot

491
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,880
dragging Kane Walker wheelchair 
within a year, and that was in a

492
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,280
wheelchair for 19 years. 
So she passed away paralyzed 

493
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,040
from her neck down. 
And ironically, she kept hoping 

494
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,880
it was Lyme disease, which is 
kind of a weird twist. 

495
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:27,560
Really. 
Yeah, because that was, she 

496
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,320
didn't want to acknowledge and 
accept that it was Ms. and they 

497
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,720
only saw one lesion on her brain
stem. 

498
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,640
And you know, multiple sclerosis
and by its name multiple, you 

499
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,160
have to have multiple lesions. 
So she kept holding out that it 

500
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,760
wasn't multiple sclerosis, but 
it was. 

501
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,600
And she had the bad kind, which 
is primary progressive. 

502
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,920
It just kept getting worse. 
So for a macho guy, you've heard

503
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,040
of what I'm like regular. 
So I had to convert from being 

504
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,520
this macho guy to and, and I was
a good parent, good father 

505
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,960
figure, but my, our kids were 
seven and four when she got the 

506
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,240
illness. 
So all of a sudden I had to be a

507
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,240
caregiver and you know, she 
would kick me if she could, when

508
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,120
I would say I had to be mother 
too, a little. 

509
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,400
I mean, I'm not a mother, but I 
also would fight her and say you

510
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,400
got to stay alive because she 
wanted to give up all along the 

511
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,920
way. 
Like you need to stay here to so

512
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,080
the kids have a mother, even if 
you're just paralyzed. 

513
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,560
We just had to modify our lives 
and have it was just different. 

514
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,040
Our kids learned how to pop 
wheelies in a wheelchair. 

515
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,800
That's different than most kids.
We had bedroom parties, we would

516
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,200
get asked to go out. 
We got asked to go to a club one

517
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,640
night and I we're like what the 
hell, why would they invite us? 

518
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:41,880
Screw it. 
So we go. 

519
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,280
And her deal was always and she 
was beautiful till the end. 

520
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,720
You couldn't tell anything was 
wrong with her until you saw me 

521
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,800
start feeding her all the time. 
But if you just saw her. 

522
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,560
So we would get to a place early
and stash the wheelchair and 

523
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,400
then I'd put her in the best 
seat in the house. 

524
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,160
So we were at the club. 
Everyone starts dancing and she 

525
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,920
goes, hey, you want to just make
out because that's what 

526
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,680
everyone's trying to do anyway. 
I go, OK, so, you know, you 

527
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,480
just, we had to just be flexible
and you know, it, it got me into

528
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,200
these crazy situations. 
And we just kind of tried to 

529
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,720
make light of it and kind of 
stick it out and, and make it 

530
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,160
through. 
And, and we did, you know, she 

531
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,560
probably they probably thought 
she was going to live five years

532
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,480
or 10 and she lived 19. 
She made it to 55, which wasn't 

533
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,880
bad for being diagnosed that 
young. 

534
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,320
And we just, you know, the, the 
beauty of it, not the beauty, 

535
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,240
but the challenge was how does 
this macho guy who's never been 

536
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,760
a caregiver never been a nurse? 
I mean, I knew how to cook and 

537
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,520
clean and that stuff. 
But because my mother, we were 

538
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,480
very luckily, I came from a 
family who was very progressive 

539
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,400
about gender roles. 
You know, we, we did everything.

540
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,160
We all, my sister did everything
a guy did and my, me and my 

541
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,360
brother did everything a woman 
did. 

542
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,720
So I was kind of, I was ready 
for it sort of, but not for 

543
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,440
that. 
So, you know, and I, I had to 

544
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,200
become her arms and legs. 
So I'm the most feminized 

545
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,480
masculine man maybe in the world
because, you know, I, I had to 

546
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,160
wipe her. 
I changed tampons. 

547
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,640
I did everything. 
I had to take her to the 

548
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,600
bathroom in public places. 
And she would never want to go 

549
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,840
to the men's room. 
We had to go to the women's room

550
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,680
and kind of sneak into the 
stall. 

551
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,120
And I couldn't say anything 
because I didn't want to freak 

552
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:21,920
out the women in the other 
stalls. 

553
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,560
And, you know, that's when she 
would dig into me because she 

554
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,560
knew I would shut up because I 
didn't want to freak everyone 

555
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:28,640
out. 
And then we'd come out and we 

556
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,320
were like, what are you doing in
the bathroom, You know, and 

557
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,960
pushing in a wheelchair. 
It was just an endless. 

558
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,440
Yeah. 
But it was also beautiful in 

559
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,000
many ways. 
We were very, very tight. 

560
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:43,520
And because I became her arms 
and legs, you know, we were like

561
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,920
one person. 
We were like, 1 Organism. 

562
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,760
And we fought a lot, of course. 
And that was the way we both 

563
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,960
vented. 
And she did some crazy stuff and

564
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,640
some of it directed at me. 
But you know, it's just you had,

565
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,680
you know, I gave, I cut her a 
lot of slack because of what she

566
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,880
was going through. 
And I think that's where the 

567
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,440
more fun than your partner thing
originated because that was off 

568
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,880
the hook off the, I mean, how 
could it be? 

569
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,040
She's paralyzed and I'm surfing 
beautiful ways on the North 

570
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,680
Shore. 
How can it be equal? 

571
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,760
It's never going to be equal. 
So I think that that was a 

572
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,760
difficult thing. 
But I, I, I got to ask you 

573
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,520
though, like, like, I mean, one 
of the natural questions, of 

574
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,880
course is I mean, you got guys 
who are listening to this that, 

575
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,680
that, that potentially are 
caregivers of some sort. 

576
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,120
And, and, and, or, or maybe 
facing that. 

577
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,960
The first question, of course, 
is, you know, what are some, 

578
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,120
what are some advice? 
But it seems to me the number 

579
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,480
one thing is attitude. 
Like what, you know, one of the 

580
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,000
things that we have control of, 
we have control of our attitude,

581
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,120
we have control of our activity.
Those are two things we have 

582
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,080
control of whether we, whether 
we know it or not. 

583
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,280
And for the guys who are 
listening to this that don't 

584
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,120
realize, hey, you guys have 
control of your attitude. 

585
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,360
You do, you do. 
I'm not saying it's going to be 

586
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,680
instant or easy, but you have 
control over it. 

587
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,000
The other thing that's right, 
that's right. 

588
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,240
The things that we do, we have 
control over the activity that 

589
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,480
we put out there. 
It seems to me like from from 

590
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,720
from listening to your right 
attitude is number one. 

591
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,200
That's the number one thing if 
you're going to be a caregiver. 

592
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,280
That's true. 
And the thing I got some great 

593
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,480
advice early on, one of my 
buddies, a psychologist, and he 

594
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,000
said, look, you got to lose 
self. 

595
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,760
And that was so profound. 
And it was only two words, you 

596
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,360
know, you lose self. 
And I didn't even know what he 

597
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,600
meant at first, but then I 
realized, and it is true, I had 

598
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,800
to give away. 
I mean, when you get married, 

599
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,240
you give away half yourself and 
you get there half. 

600
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,920
Ideally. 
In this case, I had to give away

601
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,360
so much and I was proud to do it
and glad to do it. 

602
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,520
And I was also challenged to do 
it. 

603
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,120
One of the things that's 
different about me is I'm 

604
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,400
really, really competitive. 
And I just thought, you know, my

605
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,760
wife and I, we had, we were both
star students and really heroes 

606
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,800
in our little families. 
But this was our shit. 

607
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,200
This is what we had to deal 
with. 

608
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,920
And I'm like, OK, this is 
another thing put on my 

609
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,200
shoulders. 
I'm going to embrace it with the

610
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,440
right attitude and I'm going to 
power through it. 

611
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,200
I'm not letting the kids down. 
And she would tell me, you know,

612
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,680
you should just leave me or you 
should just get a girlfriend or 

613
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,360
my friends would say, this is 
your chance. 

614
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,960
You know, when she was giving me
shit, just let her go and put 

615
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,560
her in a home. 
I'm like, no, I'm not doing 

616
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,440
that. 
I'm stepping up for the kids 

617
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,160
because I, the kids were the 
main thing. 

618
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,160
You know, her and I were fine. 
Really. 

619
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,400
We had, we were together like, I
don't know, 10 years before 

620
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,880
this, 12 years before this even 
happened. 

621
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,440
So we had this whole life before
we, we were together in Hawaii 

622
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,880
for five years and traveled the 
world before we even had kids. 

623
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,320
We had all these great segments 
of life and then we got this and

624
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,040
it was just the attitude was 
critical. 

625
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,520
And I, I had to just knuckle 
down and just say, look, I, I 

626
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,680
just embraced it. 
And I, and again, carving out 

627
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,440
time and time management was 
critical. 

628
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,360
And fortunately in Hawaii, where
the weather's nice and being a 

629
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,240
surfer and really the paddle 
board saved me because surfing 

630
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,560
is two or three hours. 
And if it's out here in the 

631
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,240
South Shore, it's close. 
But if it's on the North Shore, 

632
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,760
it's an hour each way. 
So it's like a 5 hour event 

633
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,120
those and I got those, but those
were more the exception than the

634
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,000
rule. 
The rule was I could jump off. 

635
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,360
And we, we luckily scored this 
townhouse on the water 40 years 

636
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,000
or 35 years ago when she first 
got sick before that. 

637
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,240
And I'm able to roll out of my 
house and go paddle a couple 

638
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,680
miles, come back and just 
readjust my whole attitude. 

639
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,040
That saved me because it was a 
reset and no matter how shitty 

640
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,520
the day was going, I could 
reconvene and, you know, talking

641
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,400
about, you know, meditation, I 
could meditate with nature, 

642
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,560
which is what I was doing. 
I wouldn't call it that per SE, 

643
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,240
but that's really what was 
happening. 

644
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,520
And I still do it. 
It's still is a great source of 

645
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,200
recharging for me. 
And and that's, you know, and, 

646
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,640
and even I had a boat and I take
her diving and boating. 

647
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,960
She loved it And and even at one
point she wanted to move to San 

648
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,520
Diego or somewhere where it was 
colder. 

649
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,560
Some of the doctors said it 
would be better and I I was just

650
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,880
beside myself, but I couldn't. 
The one of the hardest thing is 

651
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:11,320
you can't take away a person's 
ability to chase their rainbows,

652
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,440
right? 
And for her, she's paralyzed, so

653
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,480
she's going to chase every 
cockamamie solution, potential 

654
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,360
solution. 
Ultimately, she was going to 

655
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,120
Israel to meet with a Russian 
acupuncture that was giving her 

656
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,840
relief. 
She was saying he was curing her

657
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,440
and he was taking all our money.
That was just one of many 

658
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,520
situations where I can't block 
what she thinks is helping her. 

659
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,320
That's why. 
And the other thing was I lost, 

660
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,840
we lost so much privacy, not not
when we were together, but for 

661
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,160
me to knock out a portion of the
day, we had to get some help. 

662
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,360
I couldn't do 24 hours a day. 
I did 16 hours a day. 

663
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,960
So I would get 6 or 8 hours a 
day. 

664
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,360
And I did the math and, and 
estimated we had 183 people 

665
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,120
through the 19 years in my 
house. 

666
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,520
That's unbelievable. 
Every day waking up with some. 

667
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,160
And these weren't like, we 
didn't have any money. 

668
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,719
I, we almost went bankrupt. 
I was so far in debt. 

669
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,639
This whole, it was a, it was a 
nightmare. 

670
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,000
But that, that part with the 
people in your face, it was just

671
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,560
talk about losing self. 
I was losing so much self all on

672
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,719
every, every front I could look 
at. 

673
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,239
And then, but then I'd look at 
the kids and I'd look at her and

674
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,320
you know, we got to stick, you 
know, we got to stick it out. 

675
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,800
And that was really, really 
tough, but. 

676
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,120
But really rewarding. 
So again, I'm hearing attitude. 

677
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,880
I want to get into loose self 
for a second because I, I would 

678
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,560
really like to know your 
definition of that. 

679
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,560
But but the other thing that I'm
hearing is, is in part, perhaps 

680
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,560
part of it is losing self. 
It might be an ego thing or 

681
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,719
whatever. 
Don't be afraid to ask for help.

682
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,400
I mean, 183 people over that 19 
years, like you weren't afraid 

683
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,639
to ask for help. 
I don't know if that was if that

684
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,159
was instinctual or if that was 
the advice you got at the very 

685
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,480
beginning, but the idea of us 
who are going through this stuff

686
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,560
here, you know, the you're not 
alone idea. 

687
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,840
It's a really powerful one, but 
many times we think we are and 

688
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,400
we won't go and ask for that 
help. 

689
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,600
So asking for help, that's 
another clue right there. 

690
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,120
I want you to talk about losing 
self for a second because that's

691
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,080
something that I don't think is 
part of most men's everyday 

692
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,280
vernacular. 
I, I know losing self. 

693
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,560
What does that, what does that 
mean to you? 

694
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,240
Well. 
Like I said when he first told 

695
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:21,960
me that, I didn't know what he 
meant, but what he told me was 

696
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,280
you just got, you know, like a 
death sentence on your own 

697
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,800
personal time and interest. 
So basically saying you, you 

698
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,320
have to give up. 
And, and before that, we all, we

699
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,360
both had our lives. 
I would surf, she would run, we 

700
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,720
would be together, we'd party, 
we'd have friends. 

701
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,760
But this put a big strain on 
what I was able to do in my 

702
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,760
life. 
And I had to give away myself 

703
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,720
and, and it was open-ended. 
And it was open-ended in a good 

704
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:49,160
way. 
I didn't want it to end. 

705
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,960
I didn't want her to die. 
And even a few times she was 

706
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,400
suicidal. 
And I'm like, no, no way. 

707
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,080
And she'd asked me to do it for 
her. 

708
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,600
I'm like, no, get your sisters 
or family. 

709
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,320
I'm not doing it and I don't 
want you to do this. 

710
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,840
I don't want any part of this 
because this is important for 

711
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,880
the kids and for me. 
And so losing self meant I had 

712
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,560
to give up a lot of my time and 
my interests and my dreams to 

713
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:18,280
make sure she was functional 
And, and just it's I, I, you 

714
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,360
know, it's really hard to do 
that when you're. 

715
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,400
So we're all consumed in what 
we, you know, our lives get so 

716
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,960
wired into what we like. 
And fortunately we like doing a 

717
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,720
lot of the same stuff. 
That's why we were a great 

718
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:33,960
couple to start with. 
But I still had the change. 

719
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,000
But, but I, but when you lose 
self, that's when you get into 

720
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,560
the math of it and start carving
out, OK, I'm losing self for 23 

721
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,440
out of 24 hours, but that one 
hour a day, I'm going to go 

722
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,040
paddle or, you know, and, and 
the six hours I have help, I'm 

723
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,920
either going to surf or I'm 
going to work. 

724
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,840
I'm going to do my invention, 
whatever it is. 

725
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,360
Yeah. 
All of a sudden an hour a day is

726
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,080
so much different, especially 
when you're paying people 20 or 

727
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,480
30 an hour cash out of your 
pocket that you don't have to, 

728
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,880
to enable you to get the six 
hours free a day. 

729
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:10,320
So it was, it was redefining the
my whole world of how I grew up.

730
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,960
I mean, it was never, I mean we,
I was not selfish, but I was 

731
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,440
definitely self motivated and, 
and I was doing self-care. 

732
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,200
You, you exercise self-care, so 
you'd have the energy to be 

733
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,080
selfless in other areas. 
But you gotta like, again, we 

734
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,960
talk about this, the airplane 
masks come down. 

735
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,080
You put yours on first before 
you put somebody else's on. 

736
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,280
Exactly. 
You still did that. 

737
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,800
You still did that even though. 
Actually, even more the other 

738
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,280
thing I realized early on is, 
yeah, if I get sick, we're all 

739
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,240
screwed, you know, cuz. 
And that's where I got. 

740
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,400
I was always healthy, but it 
was, it's easier to be healthy 

741
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,520
when you're younger. 
So as I've gotten older, I've 

742
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,160
become just an like an 
incredible animal on health and 

743
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,200
fitness and nutrition. 
And part of it is I don't want 

744
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,240
to die in the North Shore. 
I was surfing 30 foot face 

745
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,440
waves. 
I'm still surfing 20 foot face 

746
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,800
waves and I'm in, I'm going to 
be 67 in a couple of weeks. 

747
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:00,720
I'm on, I'm on. 
Oh my. 

748
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,120
Gosh. 
Yeah, I'm not old. 

749
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,760
That's why I asked you. 
You, you, you were born the the 

750
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,560
year before I graduated high 
school. 

751
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,920
So you know, well, that's, 
that's OK. 

752
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,560
But the only thing is it it's it
empowers me. 

753
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,200
It's like, OK, and I see people 
fall off from aging and not 

754
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,160
taking care of themselves, and 
I'm just like, OK, I'm not doing

755
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,600
that for two reasons. 
First of all, I, I couldn't, I 

756
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,000
had to be around even if I got a
cold. 

757
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,600
It was bad for everyone. 
I couldn't afford to get sick at

758
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,640
all, let alone a real illness. 
And in parallel, I didn't want 

759
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,160
I'm I'm still selfish surfer. 
I don't want to miss a good 

760
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,360
swell when there waves. 
I want to be on it. 

761
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,600
That's why when I paddle, I had 
mental health, physical health 

762
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,280
and I just, I'm an eating freak,
you know, I eat beans, greens 

763
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,760
and protein. 
I mean that I'm just, I'm an 

764
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,080
animal and I and I'm at my, I'm 
at the same weight. 

765
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,520
I've been since college really. 
So it's like, it's a lot of 

766
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,720
discipline though, and I and I 
think that's hard. 

767
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,560
It's easy to say it. 
It's hard for people to do it. 

768
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,040
Maybe because I had the waves 
that might kill me and 

769
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:10,200
bankruptcy and the family that 
falls apart, though those were 

770
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,080
good incentives to stay in 
shape. 

771
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,080
Not everyone has those 
incentives. 

772
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,560
And you know, it was easier for 
me to do it and I'm still trying

773
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,240
to do it, but you know, you 
never. 

774
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:21,840
Have a clue, you just have 
another clue. 

775
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,240
You find something to live for 
something find something to work

776
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:25,680
for something find something to 
work toward. 

777
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,760
You know that's that's what this
is and that's what you've you've

778
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,400
done. 
Did she get a chance to see So 

779
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,920
let's the Shark Tank thing when 
we get to it, when we get to it,

780
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:39,240
But did she get a chance to see 
some of your big achievements? 

781
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,400
Absolutely. 
Chance to see someone not that 

782
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,760
she didn't see Shark Tank, okay,
seven or eight years ago. 

783
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,640
She died like 10 years ago. 
It was right after. 

784
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:51,600
But the thing about it is early 
on with the streamer, she was 

785
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,760
like one of her lines when I was
building it on my patio. 

786
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,200
She was stop playing with that 
piece of plastic and get a real 

787
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,880
job. 
And I just looked at her and go,

788
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,440
you asshole, this is my job, 
this is my calling, this is what

789
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,920
I'm doing. 
And then, you know, years later,

790
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,840
I got, there were a lot of 
success. 

791
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,840
I had a 15 actually, I got a 15 
year license agreement that paid

792
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,440
guaranteed royalties. 
And that actually saved us 

793
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,360
because it enabled me to be 
flexible enough to care for her 

794
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,840
in the middle of the 19 year 
period and then also invent 

795
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,160
other things and take care of 
the family. 

796
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,680
So that was 1 success, but it 
had gotten a lot of success. 

797
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,640
I got media all over the world. 
I was in all the magazines. 

798
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,440
I'm kind of a media whore. 
I'm not even kind of, I'm 

799
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,240
definitely a media whore. 
And I built the, I built the 

800
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:36,560
whole business through the 
media. 

801
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,840
My brother PR yeah, PR 
advertising got my brother and 

802
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,800
he taught me they're guys, 
editors sitting on their ass 

803
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,360
right now wondering what to 
write about. 

804
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,360
It's your it's your job to 
contact them and tell them about

805
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,320
the streamer and write. 
So he he turned me on to this 

806
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,160
thing again. 
This is old, old timesy. 

807
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,720
You know, like black and white 
movie. 

808
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,640
There's a thing called Bacon's 
Publicity Checker. 

809
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,160
Before the Internet, there were 
these big fat books in 

810
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,680
libraries. 
Thompson Register was one of 

811
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,360
them where you can find out 
where to get a piece of plastic.

812
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,040
The other was Pete A Bacon's 
Publicity Checker, Big fat book 

813
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:19,720
that had all the names, numbers,
and here's the key fax numbers 

814
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,640
of editors of all the magazines.
And I don't know if your viewers

815
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,160
know what a fax machine is, but 
there used to be this thing 

816
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,640
called a fax where you can it 
connects to your phone line. 

817
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,240
And here in Hawaii after 11:00, 
it was cheaper to make phone 

818
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:39,080
calls. 
So again, maximizing my time, I 

819
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,400
would write a one page press 
release and at 11:00 at night, I

820
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,360
sent it 100 times to all these 
names. 

821
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,000
It's like a fishing expedition. 
I put out 100 lines, got one, 

822
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,000
The first article is Miami 
Herald put that out 100 times. 

823
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,680
The my book was one article. 
And now it's like it's huge. 

824
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:00,480
I can't even carry it to 
meetings anymore. 

825
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,680
People don't care. 
But I got an outside magazine, 

826
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:09,880
Men's Journal, Playboy every I I
got it on CBSNBCI and even, and 

827
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,880
the culmination is CBS 
Innovation Nation and then Shark

828
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,720
Tank. 
And then now someone lifted my 

829
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,040
Shark Tank pitch and put it on 
YouTube. 

830
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,680
It's got 58,000,000 hits. 
So that was unheard of back 

831
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,040
then. 
So the ability to work the 

832
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,200
media, because what my brother 
showed me was if you get someone

833
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,280
to write about it, it's third 
party endorsement. 

834
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,160
I didn't have, I didn't have any
money to advertise anyway. 

835
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,400
But if they wrote about it, it 
was kind of an endorsement. 

836
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,080
I got into military magazines. 
Anyone, anyone that would talk, 

837
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,680
I mean anyone, anyone, anywhere 
I would, I would pitch and it 

838
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,680
was like that. 
And the other thing was trade 

839
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,920
shows where I could wear a suit 
and tie and shave and go to a 

840
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,640
trade show and I could chase 
some CEO into the urinal just to

841
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,520
talk to them, of course. 
And but that was the only place 

842
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,280
I could get, I could get uneven 
keel with them. 

843
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,480
So I. 
Oh, yeah, Yeah, yeah. 

844
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,960
You talk about a vulnerable 
moment Exactly. 

845
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,520
No. 
But no, it's true and I love and

846
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,680
hate trade shows, but trade 
shows were trade shows and work 

847
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,360
in the media I did forever and 
it was the lowest cost thing you

848
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,960
could do and trade show you 
could go and just walk the floor

849
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,480
and the streamers small. 
I could fit it in my pocket. 

850
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:23,840
So no one even knew I had I'd 
tell them about this great thing

851
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,440
and then say here and I learned 
early on, if you put something 

852
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,280
in someone's hand and then take 
it away from them, they they 

853
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,760
really want it back. 
So there was very psychology of 

854
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,600
that. 
So, but the media was great 

855
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,400
because first of all, I believe 
in this. 

856
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,840
I have a passion for this and I 
have a passion for saving lives.

857
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,680
So for me, that's enough juice 
to keep driving me forward in 

858
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,640
this 40 year effort that I've 
been undertaking because the end

859
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,560
game is some military guy or 
some skin diver thanking me for 

860
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,880
saving his life. 
So that that was worth it. 

861
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,680
You know, forget Mark Cuban. 
Mark Cuban didn't invest, but I,

862
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,760
you know, I got to talk shit to 
him. 

863
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,200
We'll get to him in a second. 
How many patents, How many 

864
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,080
patents do you have out there? 
I've I have like 6 or 8 of 

865
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,320
individual technologies, but 
like more like 20 if you count 

866
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,000
all the world patents, the 
streamer for years I had patents

867
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,720
all over the world on it and but
that that only represents the 

868
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:23,040
inventions that I went all the 
way with and. 

869
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,240
Yeah, Oh yeah. 
A lot of dead ends along the way

870
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:27,840
I assume. 
Well, a couple of my greatest 

871
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,480
inventions never made it to 
market, but the first thing I do

872
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,760
for an invention is ask this 
question, do I want one? 

873
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:40,400
And if I want one and and that 
and the two I still use to this 

874
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,120
day that they're not really 
commercial is 1 Was I used to go

875
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,040
surfing? 
I wear like a rash guard now, 

876
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,680
but in the old days I never wore
a shirt and I can't reach the 

877
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,040
middle of my back. 
And I got something lifted off 

878
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,520
from my dermatologist. 
Then I usually get cancer on 

879
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,560
your back. 
You got to get sunscreen in the 

880
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,880
middle of your back. 
So I asked my friend when we 

881
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,400
were surfing, You know, I don't 
have beautiful women in bikinis 

882
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,600
surrounding me, putting 
sunscreen on me all the time. 

883
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,400
What? 
So I ask. 

884
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,840
Why the wine? 
The wine Tropic girls aren't 

885
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,000
there. 
If they're a perfect girl in a 

886
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,280
perfect world, that can happen. 
But surfing is, occurs more 

887
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,080
often than that. 
So I asked my friend and he did 

888
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,880
it, which, and I'm a little 
homophobic. 

889
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,200
Not really, but I, you know, a 
guy putting lotion on my back. 

890
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,400
It was just weird. 
Then here was the kicker. 

891
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,840
He goes here, can you put it on 
my back? 

892
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,440
And he had this kind of nasty 
hairy back. 

893
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,600
I'm like, shit, I, I got to 
invent something. 

894
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,200
So I, I, I used a, a little 
paint roller and I roll 

895
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,800
sunscreen on my back now. 
So that was, I still do that. 

896
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,240
I but I didn't, I mean, there, 
there's, there's some 

897
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,680
applications to make money, but 
I didn't do that. 

898
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,040
And the other thing is I drive 
around with shorts a lot and my 

899
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,640
car, my knees were getting 
burned all the time. 

900
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,400
It's an hour drive to the North 
Shore. 

901
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,720
So I, I, I didn't invent. 
I use these little white Terry 

902
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,080
cloth. 
They're like large. 

903
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,280
What do they call it? 
I don't even use it. 

904
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,120
The ones in the shower. 
When you take a a a bath, you 

905
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,640
use the cloth, the little cloth.
Not like a loofah like. 

906
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,760
A It's a washcloth, like a 
washcloth, like a white 

907
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,680
washcloth. 
When it comes, they're bigger. 

908
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,560
They're Terry washcloths. 
They cover my knees and I call 

909
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,160
them kneebrella. 
So it's like an umbrella for 

910
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,920
your knees. 
So as stupid as that idea is, 

911
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,960
I've been, I've been using that 
for 40 years. 

912
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,000
So some of my inventions. 
And then I invented a sex toy 

913
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,800
too, that never went anywhere 
also. 

914
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,200
But that was a lot of it. 
A lot of this stuff's a joke. 

915
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,960
Those two weren't a. 
Joke, but that's the creative. 

916
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,160
But that's the creative part is 
that you get it out there. 

917
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,400
The creativity is the. 
So, but I did. 

918
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,560
But but I found my niche, which 
is survival. 

919
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,440
I invented this sea rescue 
streamer you see behind me 

920
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,800
approved. 
It's on SpaceX, it's on all the 

921
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,200
manned flights. 
It's under the ass. 

922
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:59,240
Every astronaut. 
I invented the portable pocket 

923
00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:03,680
flotation device, portable 
desalinator video search and 

924
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,800
rescue device, water bicycle 
that that looks like a fish when

925
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,120
you ride it. 
Also that was a weird one. 

926
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:14,880
But the most of them are 
survival based and the one I'm 

927
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,840
still the the one and they all 
got military grants. 

928
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,200
Not not the streamer, but the 
desalinator pocket flow. 

929
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,160
No, the inflatable rescue board.
I invented that. 

930
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,920
Grew crazy when people started 
paddle boarding all those 

931
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,040
inflatable paddle boards. 
I had a whole patent battle with

932
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,040
all these 50 companies that make
those, but they were all for 

933
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,160
rescue and they all got military
funded for their development. 

934
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,200
After I got the patent, I 
didn't. 

935
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:43,280
That was a smart thing I did. 
And there, you know, there are 

936
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,880
various forms of maturity, but 
the desalinator is one of my 

937
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,480
best ones. 
But I'm still working on that. 

938
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,120
I'm trying to perfect that. 
It doesn't make enough water yet

939
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,400
but I figured out a way to make 
convert salt water to freshwater

940
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,240
which is using the sun so I'm 
hoping to have that out in the 

941
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:03,640
next few years. 
I had that once but the military

942
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,800
wants a pint a day of water and 
it only makes like 1/4 cup so I 

943
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,560
have to optimize it and I know 
how to do it in my mind but I 

944
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,120
haven't met the heat sealing 
expert yet that help would help 

945
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,400
me help me do it. 
So, but, and this AI company 

946
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:24,480
that I met with a startup effort
I had years ago, they contacted 

947
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,040
me and said, you got any ideas 
you want to, you know, give to 

948
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,480
us and we'll put into AI maybe a
good use for AI. 

949
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,520
So and and they're writing back 
to me. 

950
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:34,720
They're trying to change it too 
much. 

951
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,360
I said ask your AI and I call it
Hal. 

952
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,840
They have a name for it, but I 
thought Hal was appropriate. 

953
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,840
I don't know if you know, if you
know the reference. 

954
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,800
Of course. 
Yeah, Well, that's excellent to 

955
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,840
tell us how to make it and who 
will make it. 

956
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,360
I don't give a shit about what 
material, you know, you're going

957
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:52,880
to tell me. 
I'll fancy that's the way to 

958
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,640
make it. 
And now I don't know if you can 

959
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,400
tell by now, but my whole thing 
is simple simplicity. 

960
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,320
Simpler is better. 
That is one of my mantras. 

961
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,800
If you can solve this problem in
a simple fashion, that's way 

962
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,160
better. 
And even the streamer, I'm not a

963
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,600
great business person. 
And case in point is I invented 

964
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,960
something that never wears out. 
How stupid is that? 

965
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,840
I make a sale that goes on your 
boat or in your backpack. 

966
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,440
You never have to buy another 
one. 

967
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,120
I don't give a shit. 
To me that's an honor. 

968
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,480
I solved the problem and you 
want to buy it once. 

969
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,480
Now it has chem lights. 
So you can either not have the 

970
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,200
chem lights, it still has retro 
reflectors, but you every four 

971
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,680
years you can get a new one or 
replace the chem lights. 

972
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,360
And the fighter pilot version 
has flashing lights. 

973
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,800
But other than that it never 
wears out. 

974
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,560
So it's going to outlive us. 
So so your wife got to see some 

975
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,880
of these some of these successes
come to see mission, which is 

976
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,160
cool. 
She got to see that, which is 

977
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,840
which is fantastic, you know, 
because, because at the end of 

978
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,240
the day, she's going through 
what you're she's going through,

979
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:57,240
but at the same time she also 
gets to see you BU which is 

980
00:49:57,240 --> 00:49:57,920
great. 
Exactly. 

981
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,760
No, I mean, she gave me shit, 
but she respected what I did and

982
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,160
she was happy for me and and it 
was, it was a joint celebration.

983
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,480
I mean, it's too bad she didn't 
see Shark Tank, but my parents 

984
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,280
got to see that before they 
passed away. 

985
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,840
And you know, she knew. 
She knew it was a great thing 

986
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,600
and she knew it was. 
I think she knew about the lives

987
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,560
saved so. 
And she knew about all that 

988
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,360
press, too. 
It was just the big, huge press 

989
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,320
at the end, like Shark Tank. 
She missed out by a couple 

990
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,920
years, but. 
So, so with the Shark Tank thing

991
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,280
and in Canada, we've, we've had 
Dragons den for a long time and 

992
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,600
then Shark Tank shows up in the 
US and, and what not. 

993
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:36,120
I have a friend, I have a friend
who got a chance to be on Shark 

994
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:41,800
Tank and, and, and he they 
didn't make a deal, but he built

995
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,800
this crazy complex and, and, and
a whole bunch of different 

996
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,480
things for his business. 
And he calls that the Shark Tank

997
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,160
complex because the exposure 
that it gave him just being on 

998
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,160
the show fueled everything that 
he wanted and more. 

999
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,840
Like you said earlier, no, no, 
no, no capitalist coming in to 

1000
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,160
take a big chunk. 
Of it, well, first of all that. 

1001
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:04,200
Place so. 
Right. 

1002
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,080
But they don't if they know 
you're going just for the 

1003
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,840
publicity, you can't get on the 
show. 

1004
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,840
No, he wanted an ideal. 
He wanted to know but but it 

1005
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,840
didn't happen and and it led to 
some really cool things 

1006
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,040
happening. 
I want to know about your 

1007
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,760
experience and and tell 
everybody about that. 

1008
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,680
OK, sure. 
I mean, I, I, there was no 

1009
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,640
connection there. 
I didn't know someone that was a

1010
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,360
producer. 
I got in line with the other 400

1011
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,880
people in Waikiki at a hotel, 
just like everyone else. 

1012
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,840
I was older. 
This was only 7 or 8 years ago. 

1013
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,960
Yeah. 
And you know, I, I had all these

1014
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,400
achievements already. 
The streamer already saved some 

1015
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,320
lives. 
We sold a bunch. 

1016
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,480
We had, you know, I had my 
licensee, we did 15,000,000 in 

1017
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,520
15 years, which blew them away. 
But I had my rap and it's a 

1018
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,840
visual product, so it was 
perfect for TV. 

1019
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,560
And I just kept jumping through 
the hoops till I finally made it

1020
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,240
to LA. 
And then they said, you know, we

1021
00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:00,480
got to pitch to the producers 
first and then we'll decide if 

1022
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:01,840
you're even going to get on the 
show. 

1023
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,760
So I pitched and my producer 
said, you know, they give you a 

1024
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,920
producer and she said you got to
memorize your pitch. 

1025
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,280
I think they're afraid because 
people don't know how to pitch. 

1026
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,000
I've been giving talks my whole 
life in academia. 

1027
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,920
I mean, I was pretty shy as a 
kid, but I busted out of it. 

1028
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,520
And now having faced really 
tough audience with the military

1029
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,920
in academia, I could face a 
bunch of investor types or money

1030
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,720
types or producers. 
But they made me memorize this 

1031
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:31,240
talk. 
It was my talk, but I'm not good

1032
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:33,880
at that. 
I'd like to read the persons 

1033
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,960
reaction, even if it's on the 
phone. 

1034
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,840
Me talking to you. 
I can tell when you're getting 

1035
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,640
bored, I can tell when you're 
excited. 

1036
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,560
Even in the intonation of your 
voice. 

1037
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,360
If it's phone only and what we 
talked about earlier, I've never

1038
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,040
met you, You've never met me. 
Same thing with sharks. 

1039
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,120
So when I gave my pitch to the 
producers there and then I gave 

1040
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,600
the the question and answer 
period, you know, we loved your 

1041
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,040
question and answer. 
You were a little stiff on the 

1042
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,840
your pitch. 
I go, yeah, that's because they 

1043
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,480
made me memorize it. 
No kidding. 

1044
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,280
And I looked right as a producer
when I said that. 

1045
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,120
And they looked at her and she 
looked at me and said, oh, you 

1046
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,760
don't have to memorize. 
You do whatever you want. 

1047
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,520
And they said, OK, go, you're 
going. 

1048
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,000
So I got on there and and you 
walk out there and, you know, 

1049
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,560
I've been watching the show for 
years. 

1050
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,440
They want you to watch all the 
episodes. 

1051
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:18,720
Yeah. 
Mark Cuban, Mr. Wonderful, all 

1052
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:22,040
these people. 
And, you know, and it's a lot, a

1053
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,800
lot of pressure. 
And I went out alone, right? 

1054
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,560
Just me, those five sharks. 
And it's real, that show. 

1055
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,880
It's not bullshit. 
They they didn't know me. 

1056
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,640
I walked down that aisle. 
All these cameras all miked up 

1057
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,080
and then they, the hardest thing
to do is they make you do a 

1058
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,960
stare down at the beginning. 
They make you delay like 40 

1059
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,280
seconds or so before you start 
talking because they want your 

1060
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,800
reaction. 
Each shark sizing you up and 

1061
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,600
you're looking at them. 
I'm looking at Mark Cuban. 

1062
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,800
And even beforehand, like an 
hour before that, they let you 

1063
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:53,560
go. 
That morning. 

1064
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,640
We got to go in and check out 
our displays to make sure 

1065
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,880
they're right. 
And that's the first time I got 

1066
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,360
to go out on the set and I see 
Mark Huby's got like a bib on. 

1067
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,280
They're doing his makeup and 
they're checking e-mail. 

1068
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,080
I'm like, and it's really cold 
in there. 

1069
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,000
They told us it's going to be 
cold there because they didn't 

1070
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,560
want everyone to fall asleep. 
I go in there and I'm like, OK. 

1071
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,840
And I was kind of like, I play a
lot of basketball as a kid. 

1072
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,520
And I'm like just trying to Rev 
myself out. 

1073
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:19,680
Like, OK, I'm going to kick your
ass. 

1074
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:22,120
You know, I'm getting revved up.
I'm going to, I'm going to nail 

1075
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,520
this. 
I get out there. 

1076
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,280
And then they got this music's 
blasting in between, and it was 

1077
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,440
like the song I like Big Butts 
was on, which I loved. 

1078
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,240
It's just a jugger. 
That was they. 

1079
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:36,280
Got back yeah, yeah, just a mix 
a lot shout out exactly the Sir 

1080
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,200
there he. 
Is exactly so I'm like, I'm 

1081
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:40,280
going to kick their ass. 
So I got out there, but then I 

1082
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,520
had to wait 40 seconds. 
Then I started talking and then 

1083
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,040
right when I started talking, I 
could realize, OK, these guys 

1084
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,120
aren't that smart. 
Mark Cuban was smart. 

1085
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,600
And but these others, they 
barely are figuring out what I'm

1086
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,800
saying. 
And I I did a couple really 

1087
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,480
smart things. 
One is they asked me, you know, 

1088
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,760
who do you want to demo this? 
They go, well, you know, we'd 

1089
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,600
like you to use Damon. 
And I'm like, yeah, but I'd 

1090
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,000
really like to use Mr. 
Wonderful. 

1091
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,400
I got a couple things that I 
think might happen. 

1092
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,280
So I said, OK, he doesn't do the
demos as much. 

1093
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,560
So I had him unfurl the 
streamer. 

1094
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,200
First of all, if you ever watch 
the show, he's mean as shit to 

1095
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:14,960
people. 
And he drew and it's part, it's 

1096
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:15,800
a show. 
He's like. 

1097
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,440
Of course. 
Yeah, so that he's a nice guy, 

1098
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,080
but he's. 
Playing the character while he's

1099
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:20,960
on there. 
Right, so. 

1100
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,240
And I knew he was short and I 
knew he was drilling people. 

1101
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,560
This woman from Hawaii, he, he 
called her a deer in the 

1102
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,640
headlights or about to be 
splattered on national TV. 

1103
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,280
And I'm like, sure, that's not 
cool. 

1104
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,680
She's 20 something years old. 
You can call me that. 

1105
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:37,680
You can't call her that. 
So I knew when he took the 

1106
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,800
streamer, I could look down on 
his bald head. 

1107
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,200
Not there's anything wrong with 
being bald or short, but I just 

1108
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:43,920
thought that would be a good 
power move. 

1109
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,400
And I thought when they, when he
started unfurling that they were

1110
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,840
going to make jokes. 
And sure enough, they said keep 

1111
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,640
going, get lost. 
So it really it worked out. 

1112
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,120
And then Mark Cuban was just, 
he, I think, was so bored out of

1113
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,600
his gourd that once he heard I 
was a volcanologist, all he 

1114
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,480
wanted to do was talk about my 
PhD and submersible dives and 

1115
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,640
lava. 
Finally, Mr. Wonderful said, 

1116
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,680
man, stop talking to him about 
volcanoes. 

1117
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,080
And he goes, I could talk to 
this guy all day. 

1118
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,080
And then on the way out, I go 
give me a call. 

1119
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,080
And I winked at him. 
And I've never winked in my 

1120
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,800
life. 
And I just thought that was 

1121
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,360
appropriate. 
But, you know, that it, it was 

1122
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,040
kind of, you know, it was it was
a bummer, really. 

1123
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,720
I was good. 
And then all of a sudden it got 

1124
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:26,520
bad as they went out. 
And then afterward, they're 

1125
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,720
like, you know, were you 
disappointed? 

1126
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:31,800
I go, yeah, I was disappointed. 
They'd rather invest in cupcakes

1127
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,360
than saving lives. 
Yeah, it's a great line, but 

1128
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,520
there's no way. 
Yeah, they, they didn't use 

1129
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,840
that. 
I, you know, I was, I was in 

1130
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,520
there like an hour. 
What you see on TV is 7 minutes.

1131
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,120
Yeah. 
It's a great experience. 

1132
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,240
And they reran it. 
It's been on over 100 times on 

1133
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:48,400
CNBC in the last seven or eight 
years. 

1134
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,640
So it like your friend, it's a, 
they call it the gift that keeps

1135
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,040
giving. 
And we, we started a group, all 

1136
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,840
the people that have been on the
show or on this little private 

1137
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,560
Facebook group and we get 
together and learn from each 

1138
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:00,880
other. 
It's pretty cool. 

1139
00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:03,880
What's your friends? 
A man met your friend. 

1140
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:04,280
I don't. 
I don't. 

1141
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,240
Know I'll tell you, I'll tell 
you. 

1142
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:06,760
I'll tell you off camera. 
Yeah, OK. 

1143
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,840
Anyway, I'll tell you, it was a 
great experience. 

1144
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,920
It was a risk. 
My brother was saying don't do 

1145
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:11,800
it. 
They're going to make me look 

1146
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,160
like an idiot. 
My son's like, you better not 

1147
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,840
cry, you know, all this shit. 
And I'm like, Nah, don't worry 

1148
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:17,720
about it. 
I got this. 

1149
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,880
And. 
And the other thing is I wanted 

1150
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,400
to, I wanted to work in two 
things quickly without them 

1151
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,560
editing it out. 
Yeah. 

1152
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:30,120
So, and I knew how to do that. 
When they asked me if I had any 

1153
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,840
sales, I knew that if I said 
something right then they 

1154
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:39,560
couldn't edit it out. 
And that's when I, I said I, Oh 

1155
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,080
yeah. 
I said I'm, it's like surfing 

1156
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,640
big waves and when you get held 
out, you can't give up. 

1157
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,200
You got to fight even harder or 
something. 

1158
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,840
I said that right after and I 
said something about my wife 

1159
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,320
getting sick. 
I wanted to get those. 

1160
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,400
I wanted them national TV to 
know I surfed big waves just 

1161
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,120
because I'm from Miami and I was
a big, that's a big status point

1162
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,880
for me. 
And then I took care of my wife.

1163
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,800
So I got those in without them 
getting cut to the editing 

1164
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,920
floor. 
But it was a great experience 

1165
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,080
and you know, it didn't lead to 
money, but it led to a lot of 

1166
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,960
great things. 
And you know, but in retrospect,

1167
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,440
if I did make a deal, Mark Cuban
wasn't going to be calling me. 

1168
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,280
It was going to be some 30 year 
old aide of his hassling me 

1169
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,720
saying why are you still in 
Hawaii? 

1170
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,800
Why is your factory there? 
Why don't you go to this trade 

1171
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,720
show, that trade show. 
Back to our original point, I 

1172
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,280
don't, I can't, especially at 
this age, I can't be getting 

1173
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,920
managed by other people and I 
don't really want to manage 

1174
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,440
people. 
That's to me, the home run is 

1175
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,480
never having an employee and 
never being an employee. 

1176
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:41,840
So here's there's a clue right 
there as well, like never having

1177
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,280
an employee, being an employee. 
That's a fantastic way of 

1178
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,560
looking at it because then it 
streamlines things for you. 

1179
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,560
But at the end of the day also, 
you know, could you be more 

1180
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,160
profitable? 
The answer to that is yes, 

1181
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,280
absolutely. 
But at what cost? 

1182
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,240
And, and, and that's where, you 
know, the idea of the priorities

1183
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,160
of things. 
It it ain't about the money. 

1184
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,520
No, exactly. 
The the lifestyle that you're 

1185
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,680
looking for, if you have that 
already, again, there are guys 

1186
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,840
who are listening to this that 
that may not understand 

1187
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,280
gratitude. 
They may not understand the 

1188
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,800
things that they do have because
they're always thinking or 

1189
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,360
chasing about something else. 
The idea you could have made 

1190
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,000
more money at this but. 
Absolutely. 

1191
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:20,760
I still could, even back to my 
father inventing in her in your 

1192
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,560
underwear. 
He was my model and he they had 

1193
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,040
friends that were rich and they 
all respected him. 

1194
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,120
He was flexible. 
If he wanted to take us boating 

1195
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,400
or somewhere on a Tuesday, he 
could. 

1196
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,680
To me that he was the richest 
man alive and he didn't have to 

1197
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,920
wear pants. 
He walked around with no pants 

1198
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,640
on. 
Time is everything, isn't it? 

1199
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,440
It really is. 
And that's lifestyle is 

1200
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,720
everything. 
And I have a bunch of wealthy 

1201
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,120
friends now, and it's cool. 
I mean, not just among my other 

1202
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,240
friends, but that, you know, 
when you start having a lot of 

1203
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,920
money, you have a lot of 
worries. 

1204
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,320
My friend with a lot of money 
has seven employees at his 

1205
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,200
house. 
What a nightmare. 

1206
00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:59,960
You know, I don't care if 
they're clean cleaning or 

1207
00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:03,080
managing or security or lawn, 
whatever they're doing. 

1208
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,000
That is a hassle. 
I had my 183 employees when they

1209
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,840
were caring for my wife. 
That was enough. 

1210
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:10,480
I don't want to have another 
one. 

1211
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:14,200
You know, I get contracting 
people when I need it or I bring

1212
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,080
my family and when we get big 
orders. 

1213
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,880
But the the point is, I totally 
agree. 

1214
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:23,880
Lifestyle is the king of all of 
it and and moderate amount of 

1215
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:24,960
money. 
That's why the sharks, I 

1216
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,480
couldn't understand when I told 
them. 

1217
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,520
It saved money. 
It was the best feeling I ever 

1218
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,000
had. 
Don't you want to do that 1000 

1219
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,120
times over and have them? 
Thank you. 

1220
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,600
Also, they didn't give a shit. 
They didn't think it would make 

1221
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,160
enough money quickly. 
I'm like, are you kidding? 

1222
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,920
You guys have enough money? 
When is enough enough? 

1223
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,240
You know, I don't. 
I still don't understand that. 

1224
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,520
And especially what's going on 
today with all the billionaires.

1225
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,800
What? 
Richard, you know the old saying

1226
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,560
was richest man in the cemetery.
What the hell is? 

1227
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,800
What are you doing? 
I don't understand it. 

1228
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,000
I really don't. 
And I. 

1229
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:58,960
You know it's. 
Good. 

1230
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,080
It's good to make money and be 
comfortable. 

1231
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:05,160
I agree with all that, but I I 
don't understand where the 

1232
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,440
world's gone with money. 
When it becomes the priority 

1233
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,040
over the stuff that's really 
important. 

1234
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,320
And, and I mean, if there's 
anything in this, in this, I, I 

1235
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,000
well, as you know, you've done a
million of these things. 

1236
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,600
Time gets slippery when we do 
these things. 

1237
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,760
And and I mean, we're already, 
you know, at this place. 

1238
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,080
But, but really the priority, I 
mean, what you know, what your 

1239
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,120
priorities are, how many guys 
out there are just trying to 

1240
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,920
connect dots that somebody else 
laid out for them, you know, you

1241
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,280
know, go to go to school, get 
the right job there that, you 

1242
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,360
know, get the, get the house 
and, and all that. 

1243
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,480
And they don't even know. 
They haven't even looked at into

1244
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,280
inward as to what's important 
for them. 

1245
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,880
Like Rob, if, if if anything, I,
I, I'm so inspired. 

1246
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,880
I'm inspired by a bunch of 
things that you talked about 

1247
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,200
here today. 
But number one is, is, is really

1248
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,760
at the end of the day, you're 
living your heart, your what 

1249
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,480
your heart, your heart's desire 
is. 

1250
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,400
You figured out a way to make 
that happen. 

1251
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,000
And, and you had the courage to 
do that. 

1252
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,600
You had the courage to say, no, 
you know what? 

1253
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,720
I'm going to have PhD. 
I'm going to stay in Hawaii, you

1254
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,680
know, because you, you run so 
hard to get there. 

1255
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,200
You saw it, you recognized it, 
and you had that introspective 

1256
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,040
time to know what was important 
to you. 

1257
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,240
And you've gotten to focus on 
that for a long time through the

1258
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,080
UPS and the downs, through the 
good and the bad. 

1259
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,320
And you've certainly certainly 
gone through a lot of 

1260
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,480
challenges. 
But again, the attitude is 

1261
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,000
everything. 
And I just want to say thank you

1262
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,360
so much for for taking time to 
come on He cast today. 

1263
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,160
Is there anything else that you 
want to say to guys who might be

1264
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,960
listening to this right now? 
Yeah, turn turn off your God 

1265
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,640
damn phone and live man. 
The phone. 

1266
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,520
The phone is the enemy. 
The phone gets you to compare 

1267
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,840
yourself to others, to see 
people rich and it's half of its

1268
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,040
fake anyway. 
That's comparison is the thief 

1269
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,080
of joy. 
Comparison is the thief of joy. 

1270
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,200
And that's how phones are you 
just it's so horrible. 

1271
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,520
And look, I know tech people, 
they designed them to be 

1272
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,640
addictive and they are. 
I scroll. 

1273
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,440
I love doing that. 
They throw you in the shit you 

1274
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,200
like. 
It's horrible. 

1275
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,920
And do it only a little time, 
just for a little time. 

1276
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:59,960
Don't base your life on that. 
And that's why you see, when the

1277
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:02,800
electricity goes down in the 
neighborhood, people come out of

1278
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,800
their house like zombies. 
Oh, you live there? 

1279
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,000
I didn't know anyone lived 
there. 

1280
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:10,720
It's so sad. 
Anyway, that's my one. 

1281
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,240
My one. 
Messy. 

1282
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,560
Then no one wants to hear that. 
I I don't really care. 

1283
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:18,760
I was right in 2007. 
I'm more right in 2026. 

1284
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:23,280
The phones are the scourge of 
the earth and AI is even worse 

1285
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:24,920
now. 
We don't have to think at all. 

1286
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,920
Let this box think for us. 
Yeah, no way. 

1287
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:33,040
I'd rather be 1/2 assed moron 
than an AI bullshitter that just

1288
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,920
has AI do everything for me. 
I want to think. 

1289
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,280
Well, then the creativity part 
is we had somebody on not too 

1290
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,040
long ago. 
He's the host of the Radical Joy

1291
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,200
podcast and, and, and he talked 
about and he talked about AI in 

1292
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:48,240
a different way. 
He's like, our creativity is 

1293
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,240
what makes IAI effective. 
But if we stop being creative, 

1294
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,040
AI stops too, because it's our 
creativity that's going to drive

1295
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:57,720
AI to that next level, whatever 
it is. 

1296
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,080
If we don't if we don't come up 
with the new stuff, we don't 

1297
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,880
come up with the new ideas. 
If we don't come up with the new

1298
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,880
vantage point of looking at 
things, AI will never be able to

1299
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,200
advance anyway, because it's the
human creativity that drives it.

1300
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,360
And and I love that. 
And you are you embody that. 

1301
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,920
You embody taking this 
creativity 67 years old and 

1302
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,040
you're still killing it trying 
to, you know, come up with that 

1303
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,560
next great thing. 
You are what you're doing, the 

1304
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,440
innovation that that is coming 
out of you out of your pores, 

1305
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,440
your instincts. 
It's really cool to hear it, 

1306
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:26,480
man. 
And I I just thanks. 

1307
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,480
Mike, I appreciate. 
That it went by so fast, I 

1308
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,760
appreciate it. 
I'll do a real quick outro here.

1309
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,880
I'll do a real quick out, then 
we'll say goodbye, probably. 

1310
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,000
Just stay on here. 
Gosh, I say it every time, 

1311
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,440
everybody. 
This is why we do the show. 

1312
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,080
It's, it's, it's listening to 
these stories. 

1313
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,760
It's listening to these vantage 
points from people who have have

1314
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,600
gone through stuff and, and, 
and, and this stuff leads clues,

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these experiences, leaves clues.
Where's your attitude at? 

1316
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,320
You know, where's your 
creativity at? 

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01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,040
Where are things going for you 
right now? 

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If you haven't downloaded the 
heat changed it app, I mean, 

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ironically talk about this, but 
the whole goal of the heat 

1320
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,440
changed it app is to create 
connection so we can actually 

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01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,440
wake up and be awake in the real
world and we can have these 

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things. 
That's what this show is all 

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01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,040
about. 
For those of you who who, who 

1324
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,560
you know, I hope there are 
people out there today who have 

1325
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:14,160
listened to this or watch this 
and, and, and, and maybe it has 

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01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,560
sparked something in you. 
What are your priorities? 

1327
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,840
What are the things that make 
you tick inside and are you 

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01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:22,320
working towards whatever it is? 
Are you, are you, are you 

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01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,200
working on your fortune at 
night, whatever that looks like 

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01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,480
for you. 
This has been another episode of

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01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,600
He Cast the official podcast of 
He Changed it. 

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01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,240
My name is Mike Chisholm. 
Go change something.