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Hello, thank you for listening 
to Reversing Climate Change. 

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I really appreciate that. 
My name is Ross Kenyon, I'm the 

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host of Reversing Climate Change
and I have been for about 8 1/2 

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years now. 
I've been working in climate for

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that same amount of time as 
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This podcast is a repository of 
learnings, observations, 

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thoughts, feelings, the 
gathering of so much content 

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about so many different topics. 
This is a little bonus episodes,

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the topic so broad I couldn't 
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goal is to say something that 
might make you think as a little

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You know, I just don't feel like
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I don't. 
I don't always love the begging.

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So hey, I'm just going to give 
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Do what thou wilt shall be the 
whole of the law. 

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Who said that? 
I think Jesus said that. 

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He did not say that. 
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Aleister Crowley or someone like
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OK, whatever. 
Weird start weird start to this 

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show. 
OK, so actually today I'm going 

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to talk about Veteran's Day. 
I have long appreciated this 

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holiday. 
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they're treated as a day off. 
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remembrance, There's not much of
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them. 
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day is one that can be really 
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I like thinking of it in its 
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It's Veteran's Day, but I 
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and thinking of it and casting 
my mind backwards into when it 

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was called Armistice Day. after 
World War One, on the 11th hour 

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of the 11th day of the 11th 
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World War One is not a very well
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As an American, we very much, we
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our sort of defining war. 
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the most easily understood of 
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In actuality, it's much more 
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the story is seductive. 
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The Nazis are the bad guys. 
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complicated though, because the 
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And this created a whole bunch 
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here that I don't necessarily 
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But suffice it to say, Allies 
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World War One does not have 
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If you ask people what World War
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I think if you do get an answer,
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treaties. 
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into war. 
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careful about which kinds of 
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well, books like The Guns of 
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It's a great book. 
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popular historian. 
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all Barbara Tuckman books, even 
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well as others. 
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Vinegar Joe's Stillwell in 
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scholarship about China. 
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essentially sleepwalked their 
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Of the common things that gets 
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alliance system built by Otto 
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unifier of the modern German 
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statesman that only he could 
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doomsday machine of August 1914 
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was assassinated. 
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could have kept the alliance 
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large scale protracted war. 
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War One, they're pretty much 
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warfare and how brutal and slow 
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felt. 
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Quiet on the Western Front, The 
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I thought it was a brilliant 
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it and a lot of the big WTF of 
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You have the death of idealism. 
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up with the Latin is dulce at 
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How sweet it is to die for one's
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of your friends dying in 
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position where you have to enact
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against others. 
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suffering is for goals that 
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And people think of the Western 
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it was called, going out of the 
trenches and running across no 

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man's land. 
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system of trenches of the enemy,
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there's lots and lots of 
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reserve so that when that does 
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breakthrough, the troops in 
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push the enemy back out. 
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Now we associate World War 2 and
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Buderian with the Blitzkrie 
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This is a reaction to getting 
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troops. 
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breakthrough in the line and 
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there and get into the backfield
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Here I'm like, I'm looking at 
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just because of the focus on 
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power at very narrow points, 
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of weapons for which trenches 
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The classic thing that people 
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Maginot line in old yarn, is 
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fighting the previous war. 
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from World War One in France was
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static defenses to make sure 
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they will be able to hold them 
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give any ground. 
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wrong conclusion to draw from 
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the Western Front. 
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like Gallipoli that started off 
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Churchill based out flanking 
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of death and bogging down in 
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fighting in Turkey. 
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be saying the Ottoman Empire. 
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Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, who was 
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Turkish state after the Ottoman 
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World War One, commanded 
Acolipoli, which is one of those

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funny parts of history there. 
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Western Front to get a sense of 
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I think he's a brilliant film to
There is so much good writing. 

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There's so many good memoirs. 
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if you haven't seen All Quiet on
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reading for another reason, 
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that Donald Trump has seen him 
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favorite book of all time is All
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Which is a really interesting 
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have that dulce at the core of 
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of war, of generals commanding 
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there to preserve the troops 
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any sense that might lead to 
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very small amount of ground. 
It doesn't even matter and it's 

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sort of disregard of human life.
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pacifistic books to appreciate, 
like it has sophisticated 

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themes. 
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It's hard for me to to watch or 
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One and not think about the Lost
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terms of art with modernism. 
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Hemingway or look at the art of 
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to just see that the assumptions
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obliterated. 
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globally after World War One was
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the turn of the century period. 
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It just seems such a rupture. 
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based upon how much more 
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of the world and how there was a
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that had this sort of Rudyard 
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of feel that Western 
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America deserved to dominate the
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more civilized and elevated than
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And World War One was one of 
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when I think it became clear to 
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the countries that fought in 
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fraud that was. 
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being the most civilized people 
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what happened at the Psalm or 
Passindale and still with a 

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straight face claim to have 
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And so you see art that is so 
disillusioned, so much breaking 

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can't even represent reality in 
a straightforward way at this 

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point. 
Like it doesn't even make sense 

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to do so anymore. 
Of humanity losing its way in 

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such a desperately tremendously 
horrific way is the legacy of 

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World War One. 
It isn't even like it ended and 

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the bad guys lost. 
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just say the bad guys in World 
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But my understanding of it, this
is one of those topics that 

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people will always be fighting 
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So please don't think that I 
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this. 
Me summing up World War One in 

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like half an hour is not enough 
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One. 
Please understand that. 

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But one way to understand what 
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that it was a Ducydides trap. 
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rising power. 
It was industrializing, becoming

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more and more powerful, but it's
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There's no natural barriers 
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It's not a great place to be. 
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have France to the West, and 
then you have the UK right above

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you. 
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between France, the UK, which by
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France and England, I should 
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Functionally surrounded. 
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were set off by the 
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Ferdinand of the Habsburg state 
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front war as fast as possible 
doing something called 

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Schlieffen Plan blah blah blah. 
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down in details. 
It's too much in any case 

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though. 
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These battles were so 
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Truly hell on earth. 
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find which of the historical 
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earth at any given point, I 
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in World War 1 is a top 
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Real close. 
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can think of that I can give it 
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that's pretty close. 
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it wasn't like when you think 
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War Two had BE Day and BJ Day, 
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over the Japanese days. 
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story. 
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surrendered and it was a total 
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settlement. 
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negotiated settlement and it's a
really intensely difficult deal 

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for Germany. 
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their industrial capacity. 
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military they owed in a 
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they had to pay back. 
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so delegitimize the system that 
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after the Versailles Treaty 
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How could there not be? 
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home, workers are hungry. 
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The mainstream has so let us 
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Can we trust mainstream 
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And this is also a period where,
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has been was sent in a in a 
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basically to knock Russia out of
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And the Soviet Union is now also
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October Revolution 1917. 
Stuff's going on. 

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Lennon Lennon's at work in 
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This is a really difficult time 
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here. 
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that even though the US came in 
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sides of the Entente against the
Central Powers, the day was 

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declared Armistice Day because 
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mourning. 
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about the lives that were lost 
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conflict overall. 
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humane way to understand war and
to understand forgiveness and to

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understand just how do we bring 
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them heal and acknowledges it's 
not just thank you for your 

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service. 
It's not just did you kill 

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anybody over there. 
I think there's something that's

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much more important about having
a day of asking what was it 

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ultimately for? 
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feeling for people who fought in
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East. 
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people who fought in Vietnam. 
There's a sense of what was this

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thing that happened to us, that 
we were both actors within, but 

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also history acting upon us. 
I suspect a fair amount of those

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feelings are puzzlement. 
It's like trying to make sense 

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of what even happen. 
It's so bad in hindsight that 

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how do we go in there thinking 
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do this and it would be quick 
and easy and not ruin so many 

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lives? 
I think Armistice Day does such 

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a beautiful job of it's a pause 
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It's a moment where even if it's
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are, it's a moment of turning 
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symbol of Armistice Day, 
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It's less common in the US but 
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allied powers as far as I know. 
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UK derived people's kind of 
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It's very much focused around 
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symbol of remembrance, of hope, 
of mercy, of sadness, of just 

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what the hell happened to us. 
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remember the dead. 
It's a day to remember what can 

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happen to all of us when things 
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I think it's really important 
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be towards peace and to remember
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just, war is not a simple 
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I like reminders of our 
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The Poppy, Armistice Day, 
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Those make me feel mercy for the
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who did brutal things to one 
another and places they've never

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been. 
It makes me hope that there's an

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afterlife where they can be 
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I think anything that stresses 
the mistakes that we've made as 

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a species, where we've picked up
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asphyxiated each other with 
mustard gas, stabbed each other 

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with triangular bayonets, buried
men alive under artillery 

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shells, collapsing dugouts that 
we should remember are the 

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people who are put into that 
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through bloodlust, through 
earnest patriotism, and remember

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how easily it can be us in our 
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We aren't above the people who 
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Thinking about it in this way is
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equality and universality can be
so important, because in your 

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life you may have caused to 
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With War with Soldiers and 
Armistice Day asked this 

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question of was it worth it? 
Can we honor these men? 

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Can we honor these people who 
died by not putting people in 

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this position unnecessarily? 
Can we avoid this in the future?

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The poppy, it's hard for me to 
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Why is that such a beautiful 
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Flowers are such a wonderful 
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or very nearly so. 
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the flowering of youth, the 
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of how brief and how fragile 
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I'm actually going to read the 
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drives from by Canadian doctor 
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John Mccrae. 
The poem is called In Flanders 

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Fields. 
Here it is in Flanders fields. 

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In Flanders fields the poppies 
blow between the crosses, row on

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row that marker place. 
And in the sky the lark still 

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bravely singing fly scarce heard
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We are the dead. 
Short days ago we lived, felt 

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dawn, saw sunset glow, loved and
we're loved. 

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And now we lie in Flanders 
fields Take up our quarrel with 

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the foe to you from failing 
hands we throw the torch Be 

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yours to hold it high. 
If you break faith with us who 

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die, we shall not sleep. 
Though poppies grow in Flanders 

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fields one thing I like about 
this poem is that poppies as a 

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narcotic. 
There's also a sense that the 

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dead are not merely dead, 
they're sleeping. 

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There's a Christian resurrection
of the dead. 

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There will come a time when they
might live again. 

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Don't mourn for us. 
We're merely sleeping. 

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But I find to be a really 
beautiful, comforting thought. 

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Happy Armistice Day. 
I hope you enjoyed my I can't 

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believe I'm going to say this 
blitzkrieg through copies of 

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Pacifism of Armistice Day of all
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It's really too much. 
Sorry, I try not to get 

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distracted. 
There's too many interesting 

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stories, too many things that 
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I think a lot more attention 
needs to be paid to World War 

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One for so many reasons. 
It's great, great place to look 

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where empires are collapsing, 
nations are coming about, the 

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modern world is being born at 
this time. 

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It's it's worth your time to 
study World War One. 

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I'd say I love World War 2 as 
well. 

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World War One is extremely 
impactful. 

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Thanks for listening. 
Happy Armistice Day. 

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Happy Remembrance Day. 
Happy Veteran's Day.

