1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Coming up, I've never seen you do Indian stuff. 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,080 Yeah, weird, didn't it? Yeah, I've never seen you do. 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,320 Yeah, yeah. Can you imagine? 4 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,320 Do you think I should work it into my routine? 5 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,440 Every time I introduce to people they say who was your beautiful 6 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,400 friend? Who do you introduce me to? 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,200 You ain't got no friends. But what's your opinion of a 8 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,160 woman with a voice? Should they have them? 9 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,880 I already have my voice and I use it. 10 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,480 So I guess the real question is, what do you think about women 11 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,160 with voices? Yeah, it wouldn't be a very good 12 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,680 episode if you didn't have a voice on this, so you had to say 13 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,080 something. We are the Porsches. 14 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,880 We are the Ferraris. Somebody said to me like. 15 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,880 Oh God, Paul, that's do you know what you just saying that made 16 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,480 me think you're the kind of guy who turns around to a girl and 17 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:48,320 says I am the prize. Paul Chowdhry's Don't Ask Me 18 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,320 That is brought to you by Mrs. Ellswood. 19 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,640 The finest Pickles on the planet. 20 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,600 Put some punch in your sandwiches, burgers, even your 21 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:02,440 salads with Misses Elswood. 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Yeah, don't know. 34 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,040 Is there anything I can't ask you? 35 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,160 Yeah. What? 36 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,320 I mean, there's a few things like give it a go and I'll tell 37 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,000 you. Like is, is there anything about 38 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,160 your heritage? No, I can't. 39 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,080 Ask you No. You can ask me anything about 40 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,520 MyHeritage. I can ask you heritage 41 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,600 modelling. Yeah, to a point. 42 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:07,080 Modelling anything off limits. I mean, why don't you ask and I 43 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,440 will tell you if you've got something in mind. 44 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:15,520 I'm I'm not sensing some bit of hostility. 45 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,960 It's not hostility, it's just frustration because you don't 46 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,560 know what it is. You're sort of it's like asking 47 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,240 me what is the size of air? Do you know what I mean? 48 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,520 Is there anything that you want to discuss about AIR? 49 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:34,320 No, no, other than this dead air that is happening between us. 50 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,360 Well, you can hear the pipes in this studio, Yeah. 51 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:42,680 What do you think of the studio? I think it is minimal, but like 52 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,400 this is, you know, there's Pickles, there's pictures of 53 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:46,920 you. I imagine this is what your 54 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:48,800 house is like. This is just. 55 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,280 Just all your favorite things, including pictures of yourself. 56 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,280 Well, around my house I've got plaques of the Apollo and 57 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,480 Wembley and. I fucking bet you have. 58 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,920 I bet you have. And then in between them, just 59 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:01,840 full length mirrors. Yeah, yeah. 60 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,200 And and Michelle, we've known each other for a number of years 61 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,160 now. We have. 62 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,440 Since you were a young, young Jewish girl from northwest 63 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:18,400 London. Yeah, I guess. 64 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,000 I mean, I'm not from there, but all right. 65 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,200 I've known you for such a long time and I remember you on the 66 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,520 circuit and you came up to me. Chill out, Paul. 67 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,600 I've been watching the comedy. I like what you do. 68 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,920 How can I do that? Yeah, I did. 69 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:35,480 That's exactly what I said. I saw you and I was just like, 70 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,440 Oh my God, Paul, I want to be like you one day. 71 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,200 I'm your biggest fan. If you got any tips that you can 72 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,520 tell me about the industry. Yeah, and what did I, what did I 73 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,080 say to you at the? Time, well, it didn't happen, 74 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,800 but Oh yeah, yeah. But you know what? 75 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,600 Actually, when I first started you was really nice because I 76 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,680 was like very fresh and you and you was like, you're good. 77 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,240 You know, I remember I was saying some outlandish shit on 78 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,680 stage and he was like, wow, OK. You know, even though what I 79 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,960 liked about you was your originality and your perspective 80 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,720 and you had a voice and your voice was original on it didn't 81 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:09,760 matter. You didn't get any laughs. 82 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,720 I wasn't. I wasn't concerned with the but. 83 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:18,240 But you know what? That's what you need. 84 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,480 A more experienced comic. Like I can see that now when I 85 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,160 see someone new coming up. They might not be getting the 86 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,000 laughs, but I'm like, yeah, but it's there. 87 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,760 You know, there'll be someone else who's been doing it the 88 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,840 same amount of time as them, and they'll be getting big laughs. 89 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:34,680 And you're like, I don't know how sustainable this is exactly. 90 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,560 So I know what you mean when you see someone and you're like, oh, 91 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,960 that person is authentically them. 92 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,960 Do you know what I mean? Yeah, like you that you have 93 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,120 your a persona, which is. And I like the fact that 94 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,480 whenever I see you, you're experimenting with something and 95 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,520 you're like, that was like, you're one of the most honest 96 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,880 people I've met in my life because you're very upfront and 97 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,040 you're very direct about your approach to the arts as I put a 98 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,640 stand up and the arts that you have worked in in previous 99 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,880 lives. But when you've gone on stage 100 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,360 and things haven't worked and I've seen you kill, right? 101 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,560 Yeah, you've also seen me die. Die. 102 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,800 And when I've seen in your perception, die, I don't think 103 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,160 it's a death. But you've come on and said that 104 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,400 was just. That was terrible. 105 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,760 And that reminds me of myself. Yeah. 106 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,200 Because you go up and you're so honest with yourself. 107 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,560 I used to get with Jimmy Carr all the time. 108 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:24,920 Right. So. 109 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,520 And he'd die. Oh, that was great. 110 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:29,280 Do you know what I love about you? 111 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:31,920 Yeah, Paul, I'll get off stage and I'll be like, man, you'll be 112 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,960 like, yeah, no, that wasn't that good to my face. 113 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:37,720 You'll just be like, yeah, weren't your best. 114 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,920 I don't know if I I would never and I love your stand up because 115 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,680 it's so you know, and I love being on shows with you because 116 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,000 what you do, if you're on before me, you create a room that 117 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,920 almost you, you you raise the bar intellectually and then you 118 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,080 can go into areas as somebody after you that will open up the 119 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:04,680 crowd into ideas and and you can formulate routines in a in a way 120 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,360 that you couldn't before. When you when you've got people 121 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,400 going to have been doing Dick jokes and arse and pussy hole. 122 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,040 You know I like asshole. Routines. 123 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,200 And then you're going up there and you're talking about what 124 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,480 you've lived through, which is unusual, and then you've got the 125 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,960 look to be on stage. You know, I've got to make do 126 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,280 with what I've been given. Well, you've fucking done the 127 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:27,320 most out of it and yeah, do you know what I mean? 128 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,280 You know I've got a where a Christian do I wore this for 129 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:31,520 you. I do. 130 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,520 This. Yeah, but you know, you, you're 131 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,320 always you're always popping style. 132 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,440 Paul, I see you. Do you know what I mean? 133 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,800 You'd be coming in after your sale you just come back from a 134 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,960 sale you'll be like, ah yeah yeah you see this you feel it 135 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,800 you know what I mean I'm like, oh okay you like fashion and I 136 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,040 like that you keep on doing these like different looks and 137 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,000 that now what we doing are we are we doing a city boy 138 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,160 transitions to a full time accountant. 139 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,760 He's left. He's left the city, and he's 140 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,520 gonna. Accountant. 141 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,560 Yeah, yeah. No, it's just, it's just giving 142 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,880 like it's not complete city boy. Look, I'm giving sort of like 143 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,280 refined. Yeah, VAT. 144 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,880 Yeah, accountant. Yeah, No, no, no, no. 145 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,040 But like, yeah, like, like, like low key like does something that 146 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,040 seems a little bit boring but is good at it and makes money at 147 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,240 it. Tax fraud. 148 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,160 Well, I wish. VAT. 149 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,120 Yeah, why do you even say VAT not VAT? 150 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,120 I don't know. VAT. 151 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:27,920 I don't know man, that's your people. 152 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,040 'S wag man. Yeah, that's your people's and 153 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,400 I'm not talking about that. Yeah. 154 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,280 I've never seen you do Indian stuff. 155 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,760 Yeah, weird in it. Yeah, I've never seen you do 156 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:37,440 anything. Yeah, yeah. 157 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,120 Can you imagine? Do you think I should work it 158 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,720 into my routine? I've met your mum, Yeah, and 159 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,000 she's not Indian. No, she ain't. 160 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,320 So I've never met your dad though. 161 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,840 No, me neither. No joking. 162 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,720 If you're watching Dad, please reach out. 163 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,920 Yeah, yeah, 07956. And he lives around the corner 164 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,240 from me, so yeah. Your upbringing and and leaving 165 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,760 school at At 14 you left school. Yeah, I left in year 9. 166 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,320 See, if you're Indian, that wouldn't have been even an 167 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,080 option. No, no. 168 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,240 I mean, I left in year 9. I went back in year 11 for about 169 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,360 a month or two and I was like, yeah. 170 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:12,800 What happened? Why did you leave? 171 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,440 I don't know, I just, I really struggled with school and also 172 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:23,120 just life was a kind of tumultuous and I just struggled 173 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,960 with being like dyslexic and you know, I just, I kind of pissed 174 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,600 me off that I was like really excelled in certain subjects and 175 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:37,679 really didn't in others. Like was obviously like behind 176 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,240 the rest of the year. And and then also we didn't have 177 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,280 like loads of money. And I just, I was at an age 178 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,840 where I really wanted to like feel confident and rather than 179 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,120 the long haul of getting an education for like the greater 180 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,480 good of your career years down the line, I wanted enough, 181 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,920 enough puffer jacket today. Yeah, I remember. 182 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,240 Naf Naf. You know what I'm saying? 183 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,720 That was expensive, right Lacoste? 184 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,760 Yeah. Farrah, exactly. 185 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,320 I mean, these were those were wives back. 186 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,680 Then they wasn't it. And this is a this is just a 187 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:14,440 thing about, I think, you know, a very like working class 188 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:19,480 mentality is that like the big sort of, you know, that kind of 189 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,520 intergenerational wealth that should be important and that are 190 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,680 like markers of good education. I think there's certain things 191 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,600 where you just think, yeah, but I want to feel good today and 192 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,560 it's like being hungry and eating a McDonald's. 193 00:09:31,560 --> 00:09:33,600 Do you know what I mean? It's probably not nutritious and 194 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,520 actually good for you long term, but really quenches the. 195 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,240 We didn't know that back then. Yeah. 196 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,120 No, no, no, we didn't know. Farrah, Farrah Cross. 197 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,160 Remember that one? No, I don't remember that 198 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,640 actually. I mean, I'm because I'm, I'm, 199 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,880 I'm from the 70s, you know, I'm, I'm old school. 200 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,760 You're a bit, you're 80s, baby, right? 201 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,400 Yeah. So we, it was a different and we 202 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,440 thought it was a healthy meal. McDonald's. 203 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,600 Yeah, it did seem like that isn't. 204 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,240 It Yeah, it was called a restaurant. 205 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,880 But it flipping was. And also there were sesame's on 206 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,120 that bun. Yeah. 207 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,160 Do you know what I mean? Sesame and sesame's are 208 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,760 expensive. Yeah, now, yeah, Sesame's, you 209 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,200 know. Do you know, I remember going 210 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,480 like, like one of my first model checks, I took my, my mum, my 211 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,400 brother to Pizza Hut and in Streatham and like, I remember 212 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,440 us all kind of like marvelling at the salad bar. 213 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,880 Like that seemed really fancy. It was just like salad, 214 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,880 unlimited amount. Look at the corn. 215 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,560 You could just scoop it up. And then Chuck some 1000 island 216 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:28,800 dressing on it with the main and and and we thought that was 217 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:29,760 healthy. Oh yeah, yeah. 218 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,800 Croutons fancy. Croutons Fancy. 219 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,840 You don't like croutons? Yeah, you listen. 220 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,160 You ate. When was the last time you went 221 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:37,480 Pizza Hut? Oh no. 222 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,000 I mean the original Hut. You. 223 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,760 I love Pizza Hut. Do you haven't eaten a Pizza Hut 224 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,520 in years? Do not fucking lie. 225 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,000 I went this Hut just before the show. 226 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:48,960 Pizza Hut. Pizza Hut is one of the I'm 227 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,200 going to try to get one of the sponsor. 228 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,520 You are such a plain faced liar. If you're watching Pizza Hut, 229 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,600 don't ask me that. Yeah, but but let's not negate 230 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,720 the the question. When was? 231 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,960 The last time that you had a Pizza Hut? 232 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,320 1993, Yeah, it's one of the best pizzas. 233 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,440 Because your body's a temple. Look at you trying to be all 234 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:09,960 relatable. I'm every man. 235 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,880 No, you're not. But I'm in my 50s, you know, I'm 236 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,640 I'm an old man, you say, yeah, you're a baby. 237 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,160 You're a baby to me. But I see you as a younger 238 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,080 sister because you came through the main streets of London. 239 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,120 Yeah, I did. And this was in Streatham. 240 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,200 Streatham, I mean, I was born in Lewisham Hospital. 241 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,440 I was there until I was about 5-6, then I moved to Bermondsey, 242 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:37,280 then Streatham and then in my sort of basically 12/11/12 243 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,880 upwards, Brixton. Bombo clad. 244 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,560 Yeah, ratted. Now I don't know if I can say 245 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:43,720 this publicly. What? 246 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,720 But you're you're, you're Jamaican. 247 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,520 Yeah. Am I allowed to say this? 248 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,320 I don't know what are you going? To say. 249 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,960 Yeah, you can say you just said it. 250 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,480 What? What would be wrong with saying 251 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,080 that? Are you allowed to publicly say? 252 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:00,800 That I'm Jamaican and Jewish and. 253 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,320 Jewish at the same time. I think, yeah, I think you can 254 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,720 publicly say it. What do you ask Clark? 255 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:13,360 Oyve, yeah. Salt beef jerk chicken bagels. 256 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:19,080 Like how did this happen? My mum met my dad, they had sex, 257 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,920 she got pregnant. Here I am. 258 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,600 Now I've met your mum, you've never admitted to that. 259 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,400 No, she she hasn't. But I am here. 260 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:29,880 Yeah, so, and this is a. She says hello, by the way. 261 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,240 Shalom. Yeah. 262 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,920 But what? Yeah, a very lovely lady. 263 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,080 Your mum. I've never met your dad. 264 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,280 But how? This was a time in the 80s when 265 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:46,200 mixed relationships with potentially a Jamaican and a 266 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,440 Jewish woman were very frowned upon. 267 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,960 I have family members that have met. 268 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:56,280 My mum and Jamaicans, I mean, do you know what though? 269 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,800 The thing is, I think growing up in London, it's not like I was 270 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,400 the only mixed race person, like, you know, that my 271 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,360 neighbors were. And do you know what? 272 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,000 I was chatting, I was chatting to my cousin about this and 273 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,360 saying like it was kind of a lawless time that eight years, 274 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,440 man, because I remember like, especially where I lived in 275 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,440 Lewisham, the the National Front that would like them older kids 276 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,760 would like throw stones at me and my cousin and stuff. 277 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,520 But then at the same time, I remember us like we would go 278 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,360 down to like the local corner shop and we like some of the 279 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,120 shit we would do just for entertainment. 280 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,720 And then we would go in there the next day and be like, yeah, 281 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,560 can we have sweets? Like it was just a lawless time. 282 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:38,800 Like people were calling us all kinds of terrible stuff. 283 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,360 We're getting things chucked at us. 284 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,240 But then I think of everyone else that lived around there, we 285 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,600 would just call people like what they are would be like, oh, 286 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,880 that's Irish Margaret. That's so do you know what I 287 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,400 mean? That's that, that's rusted, 288 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,600 Steve. That's like, we weren't very 289 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,080 imaginative with it. Every time I introduce to people 290 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,600 they say who was your beautiful friend? 291 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,160 Who do you introduce me to? You ain't got no friends. 292 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:07,320 I ain't ever like. Yeah, that hurt, isn't it? 293 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,440 It's true, though. When do I ever see any of your 294 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,000 friends? Sometimes I'll see you at gigs 295 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,320 and you'll be like with some beautiful woman and I'll be 296 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,440 like, hey, Paul, you'll be like, yeah, yeah, now, now we're just 297 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,640 coming through and you, you always make a point of getting 298 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,600 that person away from me. And it like the most I'll get 299 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,440 is. Hey, because what you say, 300 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,760 anytime I'm with a girl, you're like, are you guys? 301 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,000 Are you guys? I do no 'cause I just like to 302 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,160 see you get uncomfortable. And then I'm looking at you and 303 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,280 then I'm trying to be, you know. Yeah, you're you're you're 304 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,640 basically looking at me with your eyeballs and your eyeballs 305 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,680 are saying shut the fuck up. And then I smile and I'm like, 306 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,480 So what are you like, are you, are you like banging? 307 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,480 Then are you like, is it, is it, is it being consummated? 308 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,040 Like what are we doing? What are we doing? 309 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,080 And you'll be like, yeah, no, sister sewing. 310 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:56,840 You're trying. Yeah, change the subject. 311 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,280 But I'm already in there. I'm like, So what is that? 312 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,840 So you guys going away together, but you've always got some 313 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,040 beautiful, like some beautiful woman with you who's well 314 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,440 educated. And I'm like, why are you with 315 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,640 Paul? Yeah, you, you, you generally 316 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,000 say that to the and then they, then they work it out. 317 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:15,920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Leave me after the. 318 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:17,680 That's why I try and get them away from. 319 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:17,960 You. Yeah. 320 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,120 You never let you. You are always very quick with 321 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,040 it. You're very. 322 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,000 You're very. You're very swift. 323 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:25,520 Yeah. With the introductions. 324 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:26,640 Yeah. And I'm always like, where were 325 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:27,680 we waiting? You're like, no, no, no. 326 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,040 We're just going here. Good luck. 327 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:29,920 Yeah. See you later. 328 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,040 That's what I like about you. Very honest. 329 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,760 Yeah, too honest. Yeah, that, I mean it's an issue 330 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,640 and. It's caused me a little break 331 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:37,680 UPS. Me too. 332 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:43,360 Hashtag me too and and we've known each other since you 333 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,640 started because we shared the same management at the time, 334 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,880 which obviously we can't go into too much detail. 335 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,000 So I knew you from the beginning. 336 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,200 Yeah, you did. And you've been through 337 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,640 different. I mean, this is a very lawless 338 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,120 business that we work in. There's no union or anything. 339 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,920 No, there isn't a union. But you know, you also have to 340 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,680 be realistic with your expectations about agents. 341 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,160 Do you know what I mean? So you you also have some duty 342 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:13,480 as well. Yeah. 343 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,600 One to make sound choices or to understand when it's not working 344 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,560 for you, and also to assert yourself and speak up. 345 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,280 Yeah, and and that's what I like about you. 346 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,720 But there's been times when I've thought this has gone too far. 347 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,760 The management has taken and I've sent you the message and 348 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,000 I'm like, this is out of order and I've got your back. 349 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,760 I had your back at parties. Yeah, you have, You have, man. 350 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,080 You have, you have. And also every, every stage of 351 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,640 the way. You've always been, like, lovely 352 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,800 to me. And that is why, like, as we 353 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,400 were just discussing earlier, when someone's like chatting 354 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,840 some shit about you, unless it's about your flawed personality. 355 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,600 Do you know what I mean? Which I'm like, yeah, Paul is a 356 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,440 bit like that, but I like him. I'm sure I've got some level of 357 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,520 autism. Levels. 358 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,680 Yeah, May, Yeah, course. They asked me, girls, are you on 359 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,200 the spectrum? Yeah. 360 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,040 I'm a I'm a stand up like. Obviously. 361 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,880 Why are we doing what we do? Yeah, and, and The thing is, is 362 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,359 that we've used those sort of quirks, let's say of our 363 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,440 personality to our advantage and we've mined them. 364 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,599 And so I think that if you've been able to make the most of 365 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:28,560 some of might what you know, what might be perceived as 366 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,560 hurdles about yourself, but you're not working in an 367 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,320 everyday life, you're not doing an everyday job. 368 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,400 And so we're able to capitalise on those things about ourselves. 369 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:44,480 Like I'm just very, I find it really hard to lie and I find it 370 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:49,560 really hard to pretend. If I'm not into someone, I don't 371 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,880 like being around them. Now what's happened to me over 372 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,040 my life is I'll say stuff because that's exactly what I 373 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,640 think. And everyone will laugh and 374 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,920 they'll go, you're hilarious. And I'm like, Oh yeah, ha ha, 375 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,600 I'm not joking. I'm being deadly serious a lot 376 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,640 of the time. Yeah, I've had this problem. 377 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,600 You see you laugh as well at the end, whereas I'll just keep that 378 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,080 straight face and they'll. No, not always. 379 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,840 It's more like, you know, so you, you just kind of learn to, 380 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,480 you learn to assimilate and act like a normal human being in it. 381 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,520 Yeah, and I've, I think I've met your, I've met also your sister. 382 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,200 You've met everyone, you've met both my sisters, you've met my 383 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,360 brother, I think you've met my mum. 384 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,560 And we, we, we spent New Year's together. 385 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,320 Oh, yeah. Bridge. 386 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:33,400 Yeah. Do you remember? 387 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,160 That was actually good fun, wouldn't it? 388 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,680 Yeah. First time I saw Mark happily 389 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,360 take booze from his bar. Ohh yeah, the owner of Top 390 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:42,760 Secret. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 391 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,720 The tightest man alive. Yeah. 392 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,280 Who we love. That was years ago it. 393 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,280 Was about. Five years, five years ago and 394 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,240 then and that was and we went to the Comedy Store party or it was 395 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:53,840 some day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 396 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,280 We was at the Comedy Store party. 397 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,480 I just moved back here. You just came back to. 398 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:58,800 England. Yeah, I just moved back to 399 00:18:58,800 --> 00:18:59,760 England. Yeah. 400 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,120 Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. 401 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:03,320 That's what I mean. Listen, you've you've always, 402 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,320 you've always been consistent. Somebody was very disrespectful 403 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:07,680 to you. Yeah, really fucking 404 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,960 disrespectful. And then we, we you confronted 405 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:13,160 the woman and I, I stood behind you. 406 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:14,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, at first. 407 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,200 OK, so just for like context, I'd this person had asked me to 408 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,160 help them write their show and actually I ended up writing the 409 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,160 whole bloody show and. And it wasn't an issue. 410 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:26,720 I would have done it as a friend anyway. 411 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,280 And but then she tried to act like she'd written the show 412 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,280 herself and I was a bit like, but you didn't write it. 413 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,160 And she was like, no, I didn't. And I was like, and actually 414 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,120 it's not. I didn't want to. 415 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:40,520 You can't really get a credit for writing a show for someone 416 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,880 or a credit on where. But it was just the way she 417 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,720 tried to hoodwink me, not even like, it was just so scandalous. 418 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,200 And and then she went on to be nominated for shows at Edinburgh 419 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,560 and all of this stuff. And it kind of sent me mad. 420 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,960 And I didn't see her for years. And and then she got her agents 421 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,040 to like threaten me of legal action because they were like, 422 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,160 you're saying you wrote it? I said, but I did anyway. 423 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:08,480 Then we see her all these years later at, at that, at that 424 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:09,960 Comedy store. Yeah. 425 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,040 No, no, it was a Comedy Store like 40th birthday party or 426 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,960 some, some shit like that. And we saw her and I said, oh, 427 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:17,840 Paul, there she is. And he was like, yeah, look at 428 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:18,960 her. She's a waste man. 429 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,120 He was like a hype man at secondary school. 430 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:24,520 Like, yeah, you should fight her. 431 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,440 Yeah, she's disrespecting your Honour. 432 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,800 And then I saw her and she was all like, hi. 433 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,360 I was like, Nah. And he was like, yeah. 434 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:33,200 And he just like stuck around by me and her had it out. 435 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,560 But she she was all like, babe, Nah, I didn't mean it. 436 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,760 And I said, listen, me and you both know you couldn't write 437 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,960 your own name and a cheque. Now fuck off. 438 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,960 The Cafe de Paris. Yeah, that was it, Cafe de Paris 439 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,280 jokes. Me and you were walking about 440 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,160 like two hit women. Well, also, yeah, we was walking 441 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,560 around. Do you know what's funny about 442 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,960 that is everyone was trying to talk to you and I ended up sort 443 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,520 of being your, your autism interpretator because they would 444 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,320 be like, hey, Paul. Yeah, great stuff. 445 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,400 I'd love you to come on the pod and you'd be like looking into 446 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,400 the distance and then sort of look at me and be like, is he? 447 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,400 And I'd be like, Paul's, Paul, you were just going to go over 448 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:07,840 there. I didn't. 449 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,080 Even think we were going to, I think we went and did a gig 450 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,520 somewhere and thought, oh, I might as well just go and hang 451 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:12,360 out. Yeah yeah, yeah. 452 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:14,160 And see a wagwa and. That was a good night. 453 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,320 How you finding it like now you've gone on to you, your 454 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,960 sitcom, incredible sitcom. I messaged you at the time I 455 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,440 thought I wonder now you've got to a point have has she now got 456 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,640 to a point as Michelle go where I don't get a reply and you 457 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,440 replied straight. Away you always get a reply I. 458 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,160 Was like, you know, we've seen people change, yeah, as the 459 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,240 industry, but you come from an industry. 460 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,880 Yeah, I come. Yeah, I worked in a way more 461 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,920 bullshit industry than stand up and also getting credit for way 462 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,760 less than I do now, you know what I mean? 463 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:52,120 So yeah, and that none. I just have a pretty, I had a 464 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:59,000 pretty clear experience early on in my early 20s that I was like, 465 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,000 yeah, you kind of really got to hold on to your personality, 466 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:08,600 man, because you know, like I, I like people who are safe with me 467 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,200 And I've noticed like I've got some comedian friends that will 468 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,120 not chat to someone that they don't think's a good comedian or 469 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:17,120 they don't think's a successful comedian. 470 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:20,280 And I'm like that the industry ain't like that, you know, like 471 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,160 don't, don't be like that. Some, I've got some comedians 472 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,520 friends that are my good friends that haven't had the same 473 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,480 success that I've had, but they've one, they're good 474 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,920 comics, But more importantly, they've been really supportive 475 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:36,600 of me as I've been of them. And like that's more important 476 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,440 than aligning yourself with someone who you want to mirror. 477 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,960 You know what I mean? Success wise or career wise, 478 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,560 like it's going to serve you better in the long run to be 479 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,880 around people that you know have got your best intentions. 480 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,480 Yeah, there's a lot of backstabbers in this industry. 481 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,200 Yeah, people are full of shit. Do you know what I mean? 482 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,400 Because they want to be famous. But it's like, yeah, you can go 483 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,760 on. You can go on social media and 484 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,680 have a little viral moment. Good luck with that. 485 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,000 Yeah, because especially if you're doing things that are 486 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,920 just to get quick hits or whatever, it's like, you know, 487 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,400 we're all older now. I'm in my 40s, you're in your 488 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,000 50s. So that kind of like being 489 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,840 relevant current to the young people starts to people like 490 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,400 you. So people better know who you 491 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,120 are. And if you are, you know, too 492 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:24,480 quick to change and you know what I mean? 493 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,960 Like there's no real foundation of you, your brand, which is 494 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,640 your personality then that what we're buying into. 495 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,760 Well, you come from an industry where it's ruthless in the 496 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,600 modelling world that you came from. 497 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,640 Yeah, very. It does. 498 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,480 It doesn't get more cut throat and more toxic than that. 499 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,000 And you think this is a bad industry? 500 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,960 That's some next level. Yeah, it is. 501 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,920 It is, But then also it is not based on. 502 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,160 You can't really be strategic in an industry like that because it 503 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,400 is just based on your aesthetics. 504 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,760 They don't care what your personality is like. 505 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,000 You could be absolutely trash or still book all the same jobs, 506 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,160 you know what I mean? As long as you turn up, you'll 507 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,360 be fine. But I think it's a it was a good 508 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,160 lesson before getting into showbiz, as it were, because you 509 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,200 know, like something like looks don't last forever. 510 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:20,040 And so you know you can. Well, you know you know you can. 511 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,040 You can get a very full sense of who you are and self. 512 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,080 But how did that your personality in that world serve 513 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,880 you? Because I would have said you 514 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,920 would have been the more outspoken individual environment 515 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,920 and a lot of these girls wouldn't have had a voice. 516 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,000 But you're someone that even now, right? 517 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,400 But back then you wouldn't have taken shit from anyone. 518 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,160 No, I don't think it served me well for the industry. 519 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,080 It didn't serve me well as a model, but it served me well 520 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,320 that I've come out of that industry being around a bunch of 521 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,120 questionable people and I've come out of it relatively 522 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,000 unscathed. Do you know what I mean? 523 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,520 So I probably didn't have this, although I was successful, 524 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,040 probably didn't have some of the success that I could have had, 525 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,400 but. You get counselled from jobs and 526 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,920 stuff because. Yeah, I've been counselled from 527 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,400 a few jobs. Yeah, been sent home from a few 528 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,960 jobs. You see, this is the thing. 529 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,720 Because women with a voice and strength are still seen as 530 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,920 something that shouldn't be. Yeah, yeah. 531 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,000 And also the gatekeepers of that industry are, are men. 532 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:28,880 And so if you're like a young woman that that person feels 533 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,080 attracted to and they've got a sort of key that, you know, they 534 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,440 can grant you or not, and you're not malleable towards them, they 535 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,200 think that's you being disrespectful, but actually, 536 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,800 like, fuck off, you nonce. You know what I mean? 537 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:46,560 Without going into too much detail, this is this is what's 538 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,200 out there, and it's and it's known around the world. 539 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,160 Yeah, but what's your opinion of a woman with a voice? 540 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,280 Should they have them? What's my opinion? 541 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,080 Should women have a voice? Should women have a voice or 542 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,840 should they just? I don't know, Paul, what do you 543 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,320 think? Do you like a woman with a 544 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,600 voice? That's the bigger question 545 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,680 because obviously I'm a woman. And so yeah, women should not 546 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,840 only be able to use their voice, but not be vilified when they do 547 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,240 it. That being said, I already have 548 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,280 my voice and I use it. So I guess the real question is, 549 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,960 what do you think about women with voices? 550 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,520 No, because you have a voice, right? 551 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,480 It wouldn't be a very good episode if you didn't have a 552 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,560 voice on this, so you had to say something. 553 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,960 But generally, do you think it's OK? 554 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,440 Like generally in the world, should women just. 555 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,440 Shut the fuck up. Yeah, definitely. 556 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,480 I think they should shut the fuck up and I think they should 557 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,760 make dinner, and I think they should push up babies and I 558 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,000 think they should understand that that's their destiny. 559 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,560 And as soon as they start wanting more than that, I think 560 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,000 they should understand that something is wrong in them with 561 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,000 human nature. Do you know what I mean? 562 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,400 And if there's any questions that need asking, ask them. 563 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,000 But make sure you ask a man, because they have the real 564 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,200 answers right. You took the words right out of 565 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,480 them. Exactly, so you can shut the 566 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,960 fuck up and let me talk. So ironically, this is the 567 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,080 situation that you had with somebody working and 568 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,560 professionally in the industry. And I was at that point, I was 569 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,200 so happy that you went on to huge things because of what you 570 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,840 told me. Someone said to you and I sent 571 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,480 you a message when I saw what you did in in, you did a big job 572 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,040 on TV. And I was like, that guy can 573 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,720 shut the F up because what you did was shut a man down. 574 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,800 Not not verbally, not aggressively as I I would 575 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,000 perceive what he did to you and and and destroyed him 576 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,400 artistically and successfully, which is the greatest form of 577 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,920 revenge. Yeah, but that wasn't my 578 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,760 intention, to be honest. And I, and I will say this, you 579 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,320 see, in terms of like, I would say to like, you know, other 580 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,360 women and maybe younger women when you're kind of trying to 581 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:06,720 work out how to navigate those kind of choppy waters is keep it 582 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,320 moving. Do you know what I mean? 583 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,720 Like, no, you're not. It's very rarely are you going 584 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,520 to get any kind of emotional justice when people have taken 585 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,120 the fucking piss with you. But what you do kind of need to 586 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:21,800 do is keep your focus and make sure that you're heading towards 587 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,480 whatever your North Star is. Do you know what I mean? 588 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,920 And, and, and I say, I think men have got a, you know, we're not 589 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,600 in an equal world right now, but the same likewise, when we were 590 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,680 talking about that comic that I had that issue with that we 591 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,960 bumped into that was a woman. But I kind of understood at the 592 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,480 time that I was like, I can't really do anything right now 593 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,520 because she's in a, she's got more power than me in the 594 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,080 industry and she's got more of a voice than me in the industry. 595 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,240 That's what I had to do, is just kind of stay focused and 596 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,200 contained and like try not to have too much overspill and 597 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,920 yeah. Well, this is the thing. 598 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:03,160 This is an industry where it's almost a one in one out policy 599 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:08,240 and you've conquered only sexism, racism, obviously 600 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,400 homophobia because of your persuasion. 601 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,960 And. These are these are things we 602 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,160 all have in common. Look, do you know what The thing 603 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,160 is? You don't conquer it. 604 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,080 What you do is you just become more well versed in being able 605 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,560 to deal with it, right? And practice makes perfect. 606 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,640 There is no final moment when you go, yeah, I conquered that. 607 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,040 It's just you just become more confident with using your voice 608 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,040 and being able to navigate certain situations and finesse 609 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,880 them or even manipulate, manipulate them in a way that 610 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,040 you can get your preferred outcome. 611 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,400 Do you know what I'm saying? But there is no it's like 612 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,840 success in it, like a bit in your coral mind you is like when 613 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,800 I do the O2, I can't wait to do the O2 and then you do the O2 614 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,360 and you're like, now what it's like when I saw you at that gig 615 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,720 and he was like, you know what, Michelle this and that's going 616 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,560 on. And I was like, you know what, 617 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,240 Paul? The thing is, you couldn't be 618 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,080 more successful as a touring comic. 619 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,280 But I also don't think if you had some of the recognition that 620 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,960 I think sometimes you wonder that you haven't got in terms of 621 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,720 like for for the work that you've done. 622 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,760 I'm like, you would not suit being famous like that. 623 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,120 You would hate it. You're a Moody bastard. 624 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,280 Can you imagine if people just coming up to you 24/7 being like 625 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,680 hey man, can you? Would you hate it? 626 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,680 You wouldn't be happy. It would make your life less 627 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,520 enjoyable. I still like to live the life I 628 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,800 LED before the entertainment business where I could just go 629 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,280 about my business. And something you can't do, the 630 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,880 more and more famous you get, is go about your business and just 631 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,280 go to the shops and be yourself. It's, it's, you know, I do get 632 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,360 recognised now and again. Yeah, especially because you 633 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,400 drive around in a ridiculously expensive sports car. 634 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,400 Oh, the Porsche. Nothing. 635 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,840 Yeah, the Porsche. Nothing about that says let me 636 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,440 blend into the background. I got rid of that, did you? 637 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:05,000 I got rid of the Porsche, then got a Tesla but now I now. 638 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,040 You're like, I really missed my life before I was recognised and 639 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,640 people noticed me as he's like beep beep shrink. 640 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,960 No, I I didn't get the Porsche for for the fame. 641 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,000 I got the Porsche for the Geldem. 642 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:16,760 Yeah, for the geldem. Geldem. 643 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,080 Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, Geld me. 644 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,640 I deal with sin. Yeah, I see you. 645 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,400 I see you. So, but, you know, we are the 646 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,000 Porsches, we are the Ferraris. Somebody said to me like, oh. 647 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,920 God, Paul, that's do you know what you just saying that made 648 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,520 me think you're the kind of guy who turns around to a girl and 649 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,000 says I am the prize. I am you fucking. 650 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,360 You've said it, haven't you? We are the Porsches. 651 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,160 We are the Ferraris. I could just see you be like, I 652 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,600 could just see a girl trying to be a bit like, you know, Paul, 653 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,840 there's not much compromise here. 654 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,640 We're always doing what you want to do. 655 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,480 And I could just see you being like as you fucking flex your 656 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,880 pecs in front of your mirror looking at yourself, getting a 657 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,080 hard on like I am the prize. I appreciate that. 658 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,800 I'll take that as a compliment. Have you said? 659 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,640 That no, I've never. Why are you lying? 660 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,240 No, no, look. Look into my eyes. 661 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,680 You know how bad I am with women? 662 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,080 For me to even big myself up in front of a woman, I'm like, you 663 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,960 know, you obviously don't have many options. 664 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,480 If you're with me. That's what I if you're with me, 665 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,360 your options are limited. I think, I think if someone's 666 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,120 with you like something bad's happened to them in the past in 667 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,000 it. Do you know what I mean? 668 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,640 That's that's like a childhood marker. 669 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,280 You know what? I'm saying, why are you with me? 670 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,960 Like there was there was only one parent on the scene. 671 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,040 Please, Sir, I want some more. They're orphans most of the 672 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:44,280 time, you know, it's, I don't even know what my I I had a 673 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,840 question in my head. But now you've now 674 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,200 discombobulated me so much. Yeah, with facts. 675 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,880 Yeah, that that you've, you've psychoanalysed me. 676 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,840 I forgot the next. Not really psychoanalysed you, 677 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,680 it's just to read. You're not that mysterious. 678 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,200 I hope you're enjoying the podcast so far. 679 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,600 Just a reminder, this show is brought to you by Mrs. Elswood 680 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,400 Pickles. Now bringing punch to your 681 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:11,600 podcast, Mrs. Elswood Pickles are packed to maximize freshness 682 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,600 and crunch. Back to the show, would you 683 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,360 identify as more Jamaican or Jewish? 684 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:24,240 I mean, I'm a blend of the two, but I would probably say for me 685 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,920 and my identity, I would say I'm a mixed race black woman before 686 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,440 I would address Jewishness because it's what's relevant in 687 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,960 my life. I don't look Jewish but I'm sure 688 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,560 as hell not white, you know what I mean? 689 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,680 So it's more of a like a cultural marker rather than an 690 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,160 everyday experience. You'll always be white to me, 691 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,440 don't worry. Yeah, I bet are. 692 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,720 You actually the only other half Jewish, half Jamaican woman I 693 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,000 spoke to him was Richard Pryor's daughter. 694 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,760 Oh, rain, rain. Yeah. 695 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,960 The thing is, I'm not what, same as her then? 696 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,120 Because, you know, due days and money is only goes for your 697 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,760 mum's side. So you're not 1/2, you're lucky. 698 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,200 You're lucky. Am I all the perks? 699 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,760 All the perks? What are they? 700 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,040 So what? I can't say too much because the 701 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,080 producer and the owner of the building and. 702 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,080 The owner of everything of. Everything is yeah is Jewish, so 703 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,000 I'm not going to say too much. My management, my producer, 704 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,280 they're all Jewish accountant. That's unusual. 705 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,920 Yeah, most of the people, really. 706 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,520 Yeah. Hold on, we've got the same 707 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,040 accountant mate. It's not fucking Jewish, you're 708 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,159 lying piece of shit. I'm going to get you a better 709 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:38,360 accountant. Will ya? 710 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:39,760 Thanks. I'm going to get you. 711 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,159 I'm going to we're going to talk about that of but you know, 712 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,800 we're going back to love lives. Obviously you've dissected. 713 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:53,000 Back to love lives. You've dissected mine right, but 714 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,040 you you've lived through. You know, I've never managed to 715 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,320 to get to the point of and this is a controversial thing for me 716 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,640 to say. Being at my age is is finding a 717 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,720 partner of life partner for marriage. 718 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,920 You've done that right? You've completed. 719 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,400 It I mean, I, I completed it as in terms of like it failed and 720 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,920 I'm divorced. I tried it. 721 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:12,760 I know. Thank you. 722 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,480 That you've made it, I know, but that was different. 723 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,960 That's different. It's harder coming out of a 724 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,480 relationship, never mind a marriage. 725 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:25,160 Yeah, but I'm quite like, emotionally repressed in many 726 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,400 ways, so it didn't faze me as much as the admin of it did. 727 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,560 Yes, the admin. It's a fucking admin, man. 728 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,800 It's just a relationship. With enough paperwork, it's not 729 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,160 like saying you love someone and then being able to back pedal, 730 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,280 do you know what I mean? It's like you've, you've, you've 731 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,240 got enough admin like ink cartridges for days. 732 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:48,800 Is it even now sometimes I like, I've still got all my paperwork 733 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,720 from it and I, I, I've moved a bunch of times and I'm like, 734 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:53,200 shall I throw it away? And I'm like, no, because I 735 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,280 might need it. I don't want to have to do this 736 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,680 again. And you still talk to her. 737 00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:59,320 Him. No. 738 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,400 Why do white people kill their parents so much? 739 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,840 I can't answer that, but like I, I would imagine that they've 740 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:19,000 probably felt like they've had to stay like loving towards 741 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,080 them. I think there's like an 742 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,320 emotional hold where that person probably isn't able to express 743 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,560 themselves to their parents and it boils up to the point where 744 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,040 they like shoot them or stab them. 745 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,000 Or something. It's generally like white. 746 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,720 Like I was trying to routine on this about how white kids kill 747 00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:36,760 their parents and black, I don't know if black people don't kill 748 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,240 their parents. I mean, not I, I don't think 749 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:42,880 there's too many cases of that. Well, oh, black, one of my black 750 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,080 friends said, you know you, you would never kill your parents or 751 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,720 your dad. And he said I've never met my 752 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:53,520 dad so. Well, it's probably for safety 753 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,480 reasons at this point if the conversation came up. 754 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,720 So we've gone through the the relationship, we've gone through 755 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:06,440 the turmoils of the industry, but you've been very vocal about 756 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,640 your biohacking culture. My biohacking. 757 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,560 Oh yeah. Biohacking. 758 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,400 Biohacking, right? Yeah, I didn't think of it like. 759 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,240 That yeah, because look at how good you look for your The skin 760 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,560 is Immaculate. Whoever's doing your micro 761 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,040 needling. Yeah, I haven't had micro 762 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,840 needling for a while, but I do. I've been using this medical 763 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,040 grade tret. Tret noan. 764 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,800 Oh, yeah, I've got that. Oh, it's good, innit. 765 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,440 But you've got to get your skin used to it. 766 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,840 You know what I mean? Be dry. 767 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,320 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 768 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,200 Every two days. Every two days, man. 769 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,320 Now, now I'm down to like a a nice cool four times a week, is 770 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,160 it? Yeah, Yeah, I use that. 771 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,800 And I use this thing called Estroel, Right. 772 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,200 And it's actually it's for perimenopausal women. 773 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,320 And you're meant to put it on your Fanny, is it? 774 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,080 Yeah. So it don't fucking turn to dust 775 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,080 and blow away. But I put it on my face. 776 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,720 So it's like, if it keeps your fucking lips down there plump, 777 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,080 imagine what it could do for your skin. 778 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,680 Is it? Yeah, I'm going to have to get 779 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:58,400 this. Yeah, yeah. 780 00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,440 Try my Fanny. Yeah. 781 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:00,480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 782 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,240 So what's this called? It's. 783 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,760 I don't think you should be using it. 784 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,960 I don't know, I might be wrong. But tretinol is like a retinol. 785 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,960 Right, it's a medical grade retinol. 786 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,280 So you put it on, but you can't go into the sun with this 787 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,760 because. You should only do it at night. 788 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,040 You're not doing it in the day, you know, because you could get 789 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,760 sort of sunburn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 790 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,800 But I use it every other day. At night I. 791 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,960 Have at night and then I put moisturizer over there. 792 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,640 Eye cream, you know. You use all the stuff but. 793 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,040 As you can see, yeah, you know, I'm a 51 year old man. 794 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:36,760 You mean you look fucking good? And but you are. 45-O is it? 795 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,600 You had said the public will believe that. 796 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,680 No, it's fine. I'm 45. 797 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,520 No, because on the Tinder account it says 35. 798 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,920 Fuck off, I'm not on Tinder. I was on Bumble. 799 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,520 You was on Bumble. A few years ago I got banned, 800 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,040 didn't it? Oh yeah, because they didn't 801 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,200 know it was you. They women reported me. 802 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,560 Are you being serious? For they thought I was 803 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,720 catfishing Paul Chowdhury, is it? 804 00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:59,360 Yeah, they said. Why are you using Paul 805 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,680 Chowdhury's pictures? You know why? 806 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,920 It's because women will probably talking to you online and you've 807 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,400 got such bad people skills. They were like this state, this 808 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,320 can't be the real person. The real person is the 809 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,000 entertainer and stands in front of people and does public 810 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,160 speaking. And this is like one word 811 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,360 answers like what up? How you doing? 812 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,840 What's your favorite colour? And they're like, that can't be 813 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,480 the Paul Chowdhury I know. And it's like, Oh, yeah, yeah, 814 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,200 no, that's Paul. They said you're not as funny 815 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,920 there and now, Paul Chad, you wouldn't be this unfunny, would 816 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,400 they? Yeah, like what? 817 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,640 Have you met him? But if I do bits on a dating 818 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,880 app, yeah, it's even worse. The thing is, you're so 819 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,920 charismatic on stage, and it's kind of astounding that when you 820 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,440 come off stage you have none of that. 821 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,240 Yeah, I mean, you can't follow your own act. 822 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,760 I can't follow myself. You don't live up to you. 823 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,400 That's got to be hard. Why am I like this? 824 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,400 You're on the spectrum, brother. Do you know what I? 825 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,040 Mean how do I cure it? You can't man, this is you and 826 00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,840 also you're in your 50s now. Let it go. 827 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,880 Just work with the fact that you're a bit of a Dick head. 828 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,680 How long have I got left now? I mean, who knows in it, the way 829 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,880 you're living life longer than everyone. 830 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,640 Is that I don't drink smoke. Last time we were out together 831 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,560 you were burning a spliff heart. I was with my mum. 832 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,200 Do you know what? There's jokes about that. 833 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,120 I said remember, I said do your mum know you? 834 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,800 Do you know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 835 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,760 I was like, I'm a bit stoned. And he was like, well, I was 836 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,280 watching a gig. I will say I wasn't gig. 837 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:31,920 We were both watching. We were both watching a gig. 838 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:35,400 Leslie Jones, who was amazing. And I was there with my friends 839 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,600 and my mum. And I was like, oh, sorry, poor, 840 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,160 I'm a bit stoned because my chat was terrible. 841 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,280 And he was like, does your mum know? 842 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,360 I was like, my mum's white, of course she knows. 843 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,320 You know what I mean? I've got a white mum. 844 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,760 Yeah, she knows. And then we all went out and 845 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,680 alleyway and that doesn't smoke. And then? 846 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,400 There's another friend of yours that wanted a selfie with me. 847 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She was a big fan. 848 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:56,280 I was like, yeah, she's a. Massive fan of yours. 849 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,240 She was, she was over the moon and she kept on saying, oh, give 850 00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:01,000 me another hug, Give me another hug. 851 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,800 And then she was like, oh, I don't know if he's being a bit 852 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,720 standoffish. I said, are you crazy? 853 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:08,080 I said the fact that he physically touched you on 854 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,760 multiple occasions, that means Paul is absolutely loving you, 855 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,000 OK? The man doesn't like touching 856 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,600 anybody, OK? And you just kept on going in 857 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,000 for these big hugs and trying to kiss your cheek and all this 858 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,480 shit. And she was like, I don't know 859 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,800 if he seemed a bit. I said no, that's Paul coming in 860 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,320 at 90%. Yeah, that. 861 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,000 That was me being friendly. Yeah. 862 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,360 Normally only because it was your friend. 863 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,320 Yeah. Anyone else? 864 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,040 Lovely. I would have just walked off. 865 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,120 Yeah, yeah. No, I know you would have. 866 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,360 I know you would have know. He was absolutely lovely. 867 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,840 You know, but how do you look so good without? 868 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,520 I don't drink, I don't smoke. Oh, intervention, It's not 869 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,320 natural. It's not natural. 870 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,920 Bonus Bliff. No man, when I say the amount of 871 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,520 shit and also I used to be a big K nut, do you know what I mean? 872 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,080 So like the amount of things that I have to do now is pure 873 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,080 witchery. Pure witchery. 874 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,600 I'm out here doing bruv. So you're saying so on a 875 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,680 day-to-day basis, what's the best stuff to use? 876 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,240 I think what you're doing, to be honest, I think that. 877 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:05,800 I think that. Men don't talk about this, no. 878 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,480 But I think, I think that yeah, you're a, you're a trailblazer 879 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,320 pool. I think like you've stayed 880 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,320 looking youthful because you don't smile that much. 881 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,680 It's the the laugh lines. You don't really use your face 882 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,200 that much, you know what I'm saying? 883 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,400 Every now and again I wonder if, like, one single tear rolls down 884 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,360 your cheek and you, you, you know, tap it away like an evil 885 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,560 villain. This is me happy. 886 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:33,680 Yeah, same you like, you may as well get Botox because no one 887 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,240 would notice you don't fucking move your face anyway, Yeah. 888 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,920 Does this gets rid of any lines? Yeah, yeah, look, that little 889 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,400 windswept. If I do that. 890 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,040 You look the same, is it? Yeah, Same. 891 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,840 Yeah. I've got the see these lines 892 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,880 here, but the mustache covers if I do that. 893 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,440 Yeah, I think the most youthful thing you could do for you would 894 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,680 be to try to restore the light behind your eyes. 895 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,600 Oh, behind it. Yeah, which is gone. 896 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,320 You can do red red light therapy. 897 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,320 No, you can't do that. That's called joy. 898 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,400 That's called happiness. I mean happiness inside. 899 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,760 That's going to be a difficult one to pull off. 900 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,560 Oh, it's a lost cause. Not happening me. 901 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,040 Do I mean, where do we find that? 902 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,320 You know, this is the thing. We wouldn't be here if we had 903 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,880 it, would we? Like what? 904 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,520 Why am I doing? Why are we alive? 905 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,280 Why are we doing this? To try and fill the void. 906 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,640 Spend the second home doing nothing like that. 907 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,880 Or I WhatsApp you and say yeah, do you want to do the pod? 908 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,720 You know this. You're just doing something. 909 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,360 Yeah. Go do something. 910 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,840 Do you know what I'm saying? Otherwise, like what? 911 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,760 What's the point of life? Pretty much. 912 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,200 Like why are we? What is it to do? 913 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,440 What? The thing is though, I wouldn't 914 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,200 like to say this is the point of life sitting with you in a 915 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,960 studio. Do you know what I mean? 916 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,360 You know, this is life. This is this is a metaphor for 917 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,160 life. Well, sitting in the studio with 918 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,560 you with some Pickles behind us and your pictures are. 919 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,640 AI Pictures. Your fucking AI pictures. 920 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,880 Do you know what's funny? I bet you look at those and 921 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,520 you're like, but I want to look like that. 922 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,680 I wish I looked at. That I know you do. 923 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,480 I know you look at me and you're like, I could just see you 924 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,480 taking that to the doctors, like Doc, make that happen. 925 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,560 When I go to the head, you know I need that hairline. 926 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:17,000 You have that hairline, what's the fucking issue? 927 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,360 No, but it's the bit at the front when it comes down. 928 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,600 Oh, the little pig. Just go Turkey pool. 929 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,680 Just fucking go to just go. Or just go and get your hair 930 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,160 plug. Stop, go hair plug. 931 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,520 Go get a hair plug. Shave your beard for a couple of 932 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,760 months. What was it like being on a 933 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,760 catwalk in comparison to being on a stand up stage? 934 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,960 Because. Find it's so much easier doing 935 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,640 stand up. Yeah, yeah. 936 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,800 And I just really didn't. I've found it really nerve 937 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:44,200 wracking doing runway and I find it so much easier doing stand 938 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,680 up. I would choose telling jokes on 939 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,680 stage any day over walking a runway. 940 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,960 Walking is difficult, isn't? It but like walking is difficult 941 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,920 if you just don't feel like that person. 942 00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,280 Like I just felt like I was lying and it was evident 943 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,800 because, you know, I got a geezer walk. 944 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,360 So it just, you know what I'm saying? 945 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,800 So yeah, I just felt like a bit of a fraud. 946 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,120 But now when I've seen you walk up on stages, you you'd you use 947 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,800 it like a catwalk. Well, probably might read like 948 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,280 that in a comedy club in a dingy basement, do you know what I 949 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,720 mean? Yeah, and we've gigged in some 950 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:24,680 dingy basement. We've. 951 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,520 Gigged in some shit holes. But now you're going on to big, 952 00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:32,160 big bombok like tour scene. Oh, is it? 953 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,760 I'm in. I'm like in the middle of 954 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:34,840 touring. Are you in the middle of? 955 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,760 It now currently. Touring, yeah. 956 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,200 In October, which is called the. The Afters. 957 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,720 The Afters and this is follow up from your previous tour and I 958 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:44,320 remember you touring a couple of years ago, then you did the 959 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,240 sitcom and what's this tour been like? 960 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,400 So far so good. It's been really nice and it's 961 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,000 been nice to be like in bigger rooms. 962 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,840 And I think since my last tour I had someone helping me with 963 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,400 social media, so putting up all my comedy clips and stuff. 964 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,720 And so it's nice to have people that know you from stand up and 965 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,680 you know, specifically you sort, you start to get to kind of see 966 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,560 who your audience is, especially when you go to different cities 967 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,440 and like we know as like POC's when you're travelling around 968 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,040 the country, you know, there's certain places you go and you're 969 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,600 kind of like, wait, how am I? Who's my audience here? 970 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,480 And so it's been really like heart warming and refreshing 971 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,000 actually. I'm surprised, like when I walk 972 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,040 out and there's like thousands of people, like, how do you know 973 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,760 me? But you've got so many outlets 974 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,760 now you've done, you know, I wonder if people come from your 975 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,120 modelling days and saying. I don't think so, no, because 976 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,120 I'm sitcom, but yeah, yeah, yeah. 977 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,880 I think more from the TV show that I wrote. 978 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,880 And then there's just like, yeah, there's a bunch of other 979 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,480 different things. Now there's as time goes on and 980 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,040 your body of work becomes wider, then people can kind of pick and 981 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,480 choose or you know what the thing that they know you from. 982 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,840 And that's why I try and sort of keep as like authentic as 983 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:04,080 possible in each because you know, you don't know how that 984 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,320 person knows. Because I haven't seen you at 985 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,760 the club for a while now. Yeah, well, it's because I've 986 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:13,920 been touring and and, you know, but I'll, I'll get back at it, I 987 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,400 guess, as soon as I finish touring. 988 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,320 I finished at the end of May. I'm going to be coming. 989 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,240 Will you come? Definitely going to be there, 990 00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:19,880 will you? Yeah. 991 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,040 When's the London date? London dates? 992 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:27,200 I'm doing the end of May the I think 20, 24th, 25th, 26th at 993 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,560 Hackney Empire. Oh, wicked. 994 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:29,840 Yeah. Three nights. 995 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,920 Yeah. Bombo Clan. 996 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,800 Sold out baby. Big time rude. 997 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,320 Galaxy says you O2 Arena. Come on. 998 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,080 Three nights the Empire. Not many comments can do that. 999 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,480 Yeah, thank. You hard selling tickets out 1000 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,240 there now? Yeah, but the first, Yeah, the 1001 00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:48,000 first night. So the first had the Empire sold 1002 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,320 in a couple of hours. It was much. 1003 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,160 Unbelievable. Yeah, I thought, I thought the 1004 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,160 system went down. I did. 1005 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,120 I genuinely thought because my my cousin called me and was 1006 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,880 like, alright man, it's hard to get tickets. 1007 00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,080 I was like, I don't understand why. 1008 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,720 And then I called up my agent. I was like, hey man, fit the 1009 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:04,280 systems down. He was like, oh, let me check. 1010 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,440 He went, no, he fucking. It's fucking sold out. 1011 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,280 Unbelievable. And you've got to watch out for 1012 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,680 those via Go Go Bastards. What's that Ticket touts? 1013 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,160 Oh, really? They buy them at cost price and 1014 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,280 then on the day they'll sell them or the few days before at 3 1015 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,320 or 4 times the price. But you know what I think for 1016 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,680 you, you have to worry about that because you've got you 1017 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,320 know, it's been tried and tested. 1018 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,920 But I think for me do my first like, you know, few Hackney 1019 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,880 empires. I don't think there's any ticket 1020 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,200 touts being like, yeah, let me let me let me throw my chips on 1021 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,400 the table and see if this comics gonna people are gonna buy them 1022 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,680 again, buy them off me a more expensive price point. 1023 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,840 Well, I just want to say if you're watching Michelle, 1024 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,800 Michelle de Schwartz is one of the finest in the industry and 1025 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,480 you must go and see her on the tour. 1026 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,920 She's touring all over the UK. Hackney Empire is sold out, but 1027 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,200 I'm sure additional dates will be added to this much 1028 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,800 anticipated tour. And you're now coming into 1029 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,560 yourself in the industry which I've been waiting for for a 1030 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:05,880 number of years. I knew there was a time. 1031 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,280 They're going to come. You're going to blow up. 1032 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,120 I think that time has come. Paul Chowdhury, thank you so 1033 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,240 much. I genuinely adore you and you've 1034 00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:18,080 always just been so supportive and so nice. 1035 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,760 And yeah, thanks for having me. And you'll always be my sister, 1036 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,480 and you're always welcome. Thanks. 1037 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,040 And also this is this is one of those moments where I must be 1038 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,280 doing all right if you'll be on screen with me on your own show. 1039 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,480 Thanks. An exclusive look at the 1040 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,040 production. Thanks for watching this podcast 1041 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,320 so far. Hope you're enjoying it and if 1042 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,240 you are, leave a five star review, drop some comments. 1043 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,360 I might even read them out in future episodes and give you a 1044 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:45,960 shout out.