Coming up EastEnders, the drama you live through in EastEnders
was nothing compared to our childhood.
The the the problem is you do get cast a lot as a Haram zada,
a real bastard. Yeah.
What does that say? I took Banjo to the mainstream.
What a word. I should get an eye out for.
That we tried to get it in in EastEnders.
I did say Guddi. Paul Chowdreys, Don't Ask Me
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One of the greatest guests of all time.
Arguably the best actor of his generation, if not in the entire
business. I bring back my cousin brother
Naveen Jordidi Saab. Wow, I thought the old
introduction that we did last time could not be beat.
Just improvised it. That was unbelievable.
It was like word for word you did exactly what I asked for.
You know, you know. Thank you.
It doesn't matter what I do now for the rest of my life.
No one ever will speak about me like you will just did.
We'll do a few pick ups and I'll try and improve.
I, I think the, I think the keyword was arguably, I think
there's a lot of, there'll be a lot of argument about a lot of
what you just said. No, you, but we'll, we'll go
with it. You know, you the people are
going to say, well, because you're my cousin, that I'm going
to say that. I'm just going to say that about
you, but I'm not obviously I've known.
Well, you said it. I, I did say it.
There you go. I've said it.
And and I, I would say even if we weren't related, because I've
known you before your first ever audition when we were just
aspiring, we, we weren't even aspiring.
I was here on this planet when you were born.
I know you were here before me. I was.
Let's not go into that again. You were here.
Way before me I was. Not way before me for a few
years, but but a big enough gap to the point, to the point that
I was a young, you know, when, when is that many years as a
youngster? It's a big gap now.
It's not a big gap, no. I was.
I was old enough to push you around.
Yeah, you were. Older brother, kind of Indian
stuff. I was allowed to.
I was allowed to push you all around.
Yeah. Yeah, you were.
Gave you a hard time. Yeah, you were 1971, 97, I was
1974. So yeah, that that was a big age
gap in those days, you know, the early 70s.
Yeah, I was the mid 70s. Looking at you now, it feels
like a even bigger age gap. I I.
You know. Well, I do I look older or do
you look? Older I look, listen, listen.
You looking good man, you know. People say that I they asked me
and I know that you were going to ask like, is there anything
that you don't want to talk about?
And I think it's about dying hair, right, Because I don't now
this thing here, this beard went grey.
I don't know about 10 years ago, something like that.
But the this and it is greying, but people can't you know, even
when I go in and I'm I'm doing some filming and I'm in a make
up truck make up who are there on top of you making you up?
Asked me, do you dye Hester? I don't I don't dye.
It is grey. It's coming.
But this I don't know what happened here.
No, but it yeah. Whereas yours is, yours is, I
mean. How has it not gone grey?
It's a miracle. Do you know what it is?
It's those two jars of pickle on yourself.
I don't know, like at my age, how has this remained this
colour? I I need to know, I need to find
out. Don't even ask just for men, but
how have have I managed to keep this?
And you know, this is also going grey and whatever's left of it,
this is a comb over. But yeah, obviously.
But this is whole, whole like this whole.
You're not fooling anyone with this tie.
It's a very smart and like the glass of what I mean.
I don't. I don't even wear glasses.
What's what's what's happened? I'm not buying it.
No, I am actually. It's a good look.
Sorry. So what you I take cut that bit
out. I I take you've.
Got to you've got to take these things very seriously now.
Yeah, you do. Even if me and you were talking
at a family event, which we have done previously.
Many times. To to our humiliation.
Yeah, you've, you've got to take yourself seriously in this
profession when nobody believed in US.
I take you very seriously. When?
You're in that outfit with those jars of Pickles either side of
your left shoulder. Mrs. Ellswood.
I noticed those when I watched a clip of one of your previous
guests and I was going it's it's a touch.
You know, they say you shouldn't sell out when Mrs. Ellswood
approached me and said we'd like to put Pickles in the background
of your set. I'm not.
It's not going to look out of place.
How is this out of place? No, at your house you've
probably got Pickles on the. I'm going to have those two
jars. You are actually.
I'm going to leave with something.
That's the fee. I have to leave this podcast.
You have to with something. And we've known each other since
the 1970s, ironically, which is returning to, to to the national
psyche, the stuff we live through.
And we have discussed it before. We have we were actually talking
on the phone last night about how how it almost feels like
we've they say history repeats itself, right?
And they say human beings don't learn from history.
I think this goes, I didn't think that was true.
And I think this is only going to prove what mean you lived
through in the 19, well 70s where we were young, 80s,
nineties and up to the current day, nothing much has changed.
It's escalated to a level that I don't think we imagined.
You'd tell me a story about you walking a dog.
Yeah, but, you know, that's the thing.
So we had this and your reaction was how most of my friends have
reacted. But I, I want to give this guy
the benefit of the doubt. I think, you know, in 10,
there's a conversation to be had about what is said.
And in 10, who is the human being behind things that are
said and articulated? And I was, I was walking the
dog, our lovely cockapoo, and she had a bad tummy.
She eats a lot of stuff. She gets a bad tummy.
So I was there, as you do, cleaning up after her.
And this guy just looked at me and said, oh, hello, mate, how
you doing? I said, yeah, I'm, you know, I'm
good. Thank you.
How are you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What kind of dog is it? I said it's a cockapoo or what?
It's a cockapoo. I said, Oh yeah, it's great.
He said I love those dogs, I love dogs.
I want to get a dog, but it's that that stops me.
While I was cleaning up Mabel's mess and I said, yeah, well, you
know, you same. But you get used to it.
And particularly it was your own.
It doesn't matter. He said, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, what kind of dog is it? I said it's, it's, it's a
cockapoo said yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I couldn't, I couldn't do that. What you do?
I couldn't clean up that mess. I was going, well, you know,
she's got a bad, she's got a bad tummy today.
Normally it's not this bad. She's got a bad tummy.
And they looked at me and said, well, that'll be all the Curry
you're feeding her. And so why, Yeah, I mean, when I
told you what was your reaction, when I told you I was like you,
you lost. It yeah, I was like, you're a
bastard. You know, and I was there and I
just thought, OK, now. Sort of Curry you're feeding
now, mate. Whoa, yeah, OK.
I was, you know, I was in a good place.
I had managed to sort our dog out and I just said OK, well see
you later mate. And and, and and walk past and
then you, you just, you then sort of analyse a little bit
about it. But I was in the place I was.
I'm not going to if, let's be cynical about it.
If it was, I believe it was just the misguided harmless.
You know, I'm very sensitive to that kind of stuff, as you are.
I think the radar and instincts are quite good most of the time
when that stuff arises. I just felt, do you know what?
Yeah. And after his advice, I never
fed a Curry again, even. The dog was like.
She was, yeah, she was offended. Man, how dare you speak about
Mabel like that? Even the dog, even the dog was
offended by the and also Charlotte, I don't even think
makes Curry your wife. She.
No, she. She.
Does she makes Curry?
Yeah. Because she's not brown, she
can't make a Curry. And she's from Cornwall.
She's from Wales. Wales, it's all right, the
marriage was in. Where did we have the marriage?
We had that in West Country. In the in Taunton, Taunton, that
was, yeah, we were there. I was there.
I'm glad it made such an impression.
I just remember it being very far away down South.
What wedding? That was a great wedding it.
Was it had its moments, that is. I don't think we've ever been to
a family occasion that didn't have its moments.
There are a lot of it was dramas.
Yeah, my mum for that. It was a it was like a three day
event. Which is a short Indian wedding
by. The way but you know, we're
sick, isn't it? It's Sadaaz.
So it was so we had like the sort of English wedding, the
white wedding and then we had the, the the Sikh wedding and
then reception, all that kind of stuff.
And you know, it's my mum sort of day one kind of God rest her
soul lost her. You know, she, she wasn't happy
with a couple of the things that the venue had organised and she
let them know and it's like, man, you don't have to sort this
out in front of 300 guests, we can do it privately.
But mum being mum, she went for it.
And so for a day and 1/2, it was quite it was quite something.
Well, I still miss your mum to this, you know, every day
because Simran, Auntie, my auntie, your mum didn't hold
back with any of her thoughts, her views.
Some would call it Tourette's these days.
But but she there was I mean, we called it a lot of things.
It was progressively as she. She was a fierce woman, she.
Was a fearsome woman that instilled, you know, she taught
us, as my dad did, how to stick up for yourself.
You know, they talk about Asian women being submissive.
We grew up around feminism at its highest level.
We, yeah, the women in our family.
Were hierarchical. We we we used to escape to our
dads for some kind of. They were quiet ones.
They were. Yeah, well, they had their
moments too. Yeah, and then and if they said
something and then the women, then they didn't.
Take it No, no one, no one. They yeah, no one could say
anything to. We saw some rocks that was at
family occasions. It was still triggering, Yeah,
still trying to. Still.
Trying to. Yeah, that was, we saw some, you
know, EastEnders. The drama you live through in
EastEnders was nothing compared to our childhood.
This it was. It was, yeah, easy.
We would have had. I thought it was, I thought we
said it was a comedy at times and this is, this is this is
nothing compared to what happened in the Jordan East.
We sit down and write down what we live through as children and
teenagers. It would be a it would be a
better than drama. No, it would, you know, it is,
it is, it's unbelievable. And you know, a lot of it is
feel very blessed to have gone through and, and and lived
through. But a lot of it you, you do
wonder whether that was at times the best upbringing for, for,
for all of us. But yeah, it's, it was, you
know, I, I, I think these were immigrants from India that came
very young to this country and they were learning their way in
life in a foreign land, having children at a young age, working
out where their careers and still studying and, and what
have you. And they tried to do the best
that they could. And I think we're all very, very
lucky to feel a huge amount of admiration for for what they
what they did for us. But it was colourful and it was
terrifying and and still can't get lost stuff out of my head.
Oh, yeah, I mean your mum, my auntie, similar auntie would,
would you? I was in London, you were in
Bristol. She would help Asian women who
had been gone gone through domestic situations and domestic
violence and marriages and have that to flee their homes and
gave them a shelter. She she ran a charity.
She ran a charity women victims of domestic abuse.
She did it for like, you know, 25 years in the Bristol area and
obviously the the stories and the incidents that that could.
But you know, mum wouldn't. Mum wouldn't.
She was a relentless in her pursuit for justice for these.
I mean, I can remember 1 incident and she was, she was
screaming at someone very high in the Bristol police thing
about the way that some of the victims that she was helping
through a charity. She was screaming at this guy.
And I was, she was on the phone and I was sort of like came
upstairs and I was going, you know, just, but the more you
would tell mum, the more you would tell her to, to, to stop.
It would just, it would just inspire her more to go for it.
And I remember she was giving this man this copper hell.
And I was saying just, you know, to do that.
And then she said, no, no, no, I'm telling you Alfredo,
Alfredo, I'm telling you no more nice Mr. Guy, right.
And I'm there, you know, she's trying to make some serious
points. And then and so I said, no, no,
it's nice guy. No, no, no.
And then it just make her do it again.
So she kept saying it in my face, no, no, no, no more nice
Mr. Guy. And you're like, Oh dear.
But that was that was that was mum like we touched on, touched
on last time. And, you know, we've obviously
experienced and we're living through the the loss and the
grief of losing these amazing women that were in our life.
And it does open up it, it, it gives you a different, you know,
I'm a father of two. And I thought having children
and it does, it opens up just a different outlook to the
universe. But I also think at the same
time, losing your, well, any loved one, but I think losing
your mum just takes you to places that you've never you've
never been before. And we all, yeah, we all, we all
have to wrestle with that. Yeah, we were lucky to have her
as long as we did. You know, I remember she booked
me for a show in Bristol for the, for the charity to the, to
the kids in the afternoon of the charity, which was great.
And she booked me for two shows. I doubled up that day.
First of all, I said. So in the afternoon.
It was in in the hotel where your dad went to the gym.
The Hilton wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And. Then I was doing a show in the
conference room. There's kids, Great.
And then in the evening or close to the evening, our dads went to
the show and then they brought a lot of their parents with them.
So there was some. And then one guy don't say these
things in front of the children's.
He lost it at me. And that was me.
That was you don't say this offensive and then I didn't know
what to say to that. But your your mum then stepped
on the stage or a snare. If you don't like it, get out.
He just didn't know what to say, man.
I couldn't have said that to this guy.
He was an elderly Asian man. You don't like it, Get out and.
She said that to me lots of times during my life.
You don't like in the wind? Get out.
And our dads went quiet. They didn't say anything.
When? Yeah.
When the mums were talking. Oh yeah, you don't.
Stand back. Yeah, we we understood the true
meaning of feminism the hard way.
But these were these were. Yeah.
But good values there. There was something incredibly
empowering about having those women in your life.
And, you know, we were a part of an extended family where there
were some men, as there are in all cultures, but particularly
ours, who will inhibit, won't we'll do what they can to not
allow that. And we didn't, we didn't have
that. And I think we are all, you
know, that's the reason why mum could deliver so much help to so
many people because that's the truth that she believed in and,
and, and lived her life by. You know, it wasn't always easy
for us as kids, but you look back in it now and you go it
was, it was brave and it was strong, similar to, you know, to
your mum. We realise how short life is
when you get to our ages, you know, 19 from kids from the 70s.
And then you look at where we are now and then you lose
parents who are essentially a part of us, right.
So now you have your children, but I'm in the middle zone, you
see, I'm on my own, you know, no children.
So you're thinking, yeah, you've got a reason.
You've got a hope, you hear for them.
But then when you're in the middle zone, it's like it's a,
it's a, it's a dangerous place to be.
You know, we're, we're a generation that have, it's often
spoken about that we have our children that we're raising and
elderly parents that we have to to care for and we're caught in
the middle. And there's, you know, there's
so much going on on either sides of the of the equation, you
know, but there are times and every parent will tell you there
are times that, you know, my boys are one is approaching, you
know, he's full on teenager. The other one is approaching
that and there were there were times when, you know, no one's
spoken to me, no one's spoken to me like my boys do.
And there are times when you think, do you know what?
Your zone, get me a first class ticket to your zone, because
when they are on even this morning, my eldest and you're
like, come on. And you know, ordinarily you'd
be like, no one's going to get away with that.
Not a chance, but they do. Right.
Shocking. Yeah, it breaks my heart.
Yeah, what did our parents do at that time?
Oh man, the truffles mum were really.
My face is still red. Really.
You got away with it. I I got I got away with it
weirdly. If there's any consolation, she
would have loved to to, you know, sort of chuckle at you
too. Don't feel left out.
Chuckles for the people, yeah. It's the thought that counts.
Yeah, it's the thought that counts.
And but, but your dad was A and he's a softie.
Yeah, I mean, he's a hard man, but yeah, he never, I mean, I
can't remember ever once him telling me off.
I mean, I see. So me in a desperate attempt to
try and be a better father and to emulate to, to kind of copy,
even have 10% of what he was like as a father or continues to
be as a father. I, I mean, I've just been trying
everything. I even gave up caffeinated
coffee for six weeks. That's how bad it was really.
I thought, you know, maybe I'm playing the caffeine.
That's just making me angry, dad.
So I thought, look, I'll, I'll stop the coffee and start
drinking cacao, which is amazing, man.
I mean, I know it's the rage now.
It's, it's incredible. But I gave up coffee for 6-7
weeks thinking, yeah, this all this all calm me.
Cortisol will come down and I'll be a better father.
And, you know, maybe a week and 1/2 it was all right.
And all I can say is now I'm back to drinking caffeinated
coffee. It didn't work.
Yeah. But we try.
Yeah. We try.
I don't know. We grew up to coffee when we
were kids. It wasn't really a thing around
our house, was it? I do.
You know what I only I bore people with this, but I only
started drinking coffee. But it's a big actor thing.
But I only started drinking it about two years ago.
Really. Yeah, finally.
I just thought, let me give it a go.
And then we went free and we got Beautiful Machine at home and I
loved it. And I thought, my God, this is
life changing. And then I sort of blamed it on
my parenting skills and yeah, it was like, damn you, caffeine.
This is the reason why I'm shouting at my kids 24/7.
Do you think it was caffeine? No, it's me.
It's me man I have to take responsibility for.
But you were doing long hours at that time.
You were you doing a, doing a sitcom like EastEnders.
I remember you were doing like 10 scenes a day.
At one point you were telling, yeah, no 55 scenes they were
making. You.
Yeah. Yeah, we were making.
Yeah, it was. It was an insane schedule.
A script to remember over the weekend.
But, yeah, you, you know, people think that it's, it's, it's not
just the the days that you work, but it's when you come back from
work, you've got to learn the stuff for the next day or at the
weekends or even when you book a holiday.
Like when you've got. The way I looked at it was that,
yeah, it was the most intense volume of work that you'll ever
have as an actor doing. You know, maybe on days when it
was your storyline sort of 25 pages a day.
But it wasn't just that particularly because with our
family, it was the stakes emotionally were so massive.
You know, you're going to 1:00 and you're, you're trying to
kill your son. You go into another scene and
you're threatening your your wife, then you're going in your
kissing cats later and then you're coming back and you're
beating somebody else up So that the stakes were were so high.
But at the same time, it's like, you know, if you're getting this
material, then you're in a very lucky you're in a good place.
You know, I didn't go there to just sort of sell fruit in the
market. It was like they when we first
discussed it. There's a real excitement about
how we were going to do this. But you never know if it's going
to work out that way. You never know if you're going
to jail with people, if the storylines come to fruition,
some things will go in a certain direction and then they will
deviate somewhere else or some will carry on.
And this just caught fire. And we went for it.
And it was for those years, a wonderful thing to be a part of.
I think last time I spoke to you, I was just gearing up
though. It was the secret I was just
gearing up for, for the exit and the big death finale and and
stuff like that. But it will always, always have
such a loving place in my in my heart.
I felt very lucky to say that. Yeah, it's a tough.
I did devils for a couple of years and doing time on a set
like that. Yours was on another level,
doing a doing a soap opera and the Dial and the intensity and
also going from scene to scene because it's not short on order.
People don't remember that. And then you, oh, you've got to
jump into this character, this kind of zone and this
psychological. It's not things, it's not short
on order, but also you're doing about 3, there's like 3 or 4
film crews. Essentially, you're doing about
sometimes 912, sometimes more episodes at the same time.
So that is an equivalent of when you see on telly, you're
watching about 3 weeks worth of telly that you are filming at
the same time. It's just a constant, constantly
revolves, you know? And so you might be doing
something that you're filming, say this is Christmas Day, and
then you'll run off into a scene that's January the 7th and then
you'll go back and you're doing the week before Christmas.
So it really does. I mean, I can remember my wife
took a couple of photos when I'd be learning lines and rehearsing
and the dining table was just scripts everywhere.
And then my head, you know, just about afloat with all these
scripts everywhere. But like I said, and I tell the
kids and and stuff like that who are on it.
You should. It's a wonderful place.
It's it's wonderful to have that responsibility.
And also when you were doing the show.
And then if anyone's doing a show like that, if they get a
haircut or shave the beard in the wrong place, you're done.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're done.
I mean, you wouldn't stand a chance.
No, I remember doing that. I remember doing devils and they
were like, you know, because they've got to cut your hair.
They've got, because you're doing, as you say, 3 weeks
within one episode. If you don't look the same in
those three weeks, it ruins the episode.
Yeah, Yeah, you can't. I mean, you know, and that's
contract you there. I mean, I did a I did a film in
Bollywood a few years ago and that again is a alone unto
itself. And good film though I watched
it. I never saw it.
I watched it. I never saw it.
And it was, you know, one of the actresses sort of turned up
because she was doing another film and just turned up with a
effectively a shaved head. And then they had to just
suddenly improvise and get wigs and not care in the world.
But that's how they, that's how they roll.
It's a different discipline there.
But yeah, you know. So 1 scene she was bald and the
next scene and it was all just just ignore that I.
Think they must have kept the camera on me.
But a lot of these actors looked up to you.
I remember when you came to see me once with some of the actors
from EastEnders show I was doing and they really looked up to
you. You really are, in their
opinion, a lot of Asian actors in the UK.
The Godfather, one of the four founding fathers of the acting
scene within our. I think it's because I'm so old,
the spokesperson. So old.
They say respect your elders. Community Leader.
That's where the that's where the respect comes.
You're the community leader. I think they're very generous
and sympathetic. And and some people will let go.
My family I. Remember, I remember some of
your family members. They just didn't.
It is tough. I'm sure it is tough.
I'm not criticizing any of these actors, but they will let go for
certain sort of without without naming anyone to just let go
because they they couldn't live up to that and the the heat and
the intensity of filming such. You know, I don't know if the,
the, the storytelling, there's so many stories and characters
and things just have to change and, and, and move on.
So it's, it's not necessarily anything to do with them.
Just characters will come and go.
There's always a high turnover because you have to just keep,
you just have to keep this machine moving.
And it is an extraordinary achievement.
The volume of content, not just that show, but all of them.
How to keep an audience millions tuned in four times a week?
The the problem is you do get cast a lot as a Haram zada, a
real bastard in a lot of shows. Yeah.
What does that say? Getting a bit worried about
this. What does that say you're
getting? Typecast We we did grow up to
Jack Nicholson films, you and I. I sometimes look at photos and I
go, man, what are they? I know.
Why are you getting cast? Doctor Foster and.
But then he was a good guy. Yeah, he was a good guy.
All right, well then let me let me throw this at you that when I
did so years ago, I did this thing called teachers and I was
playing just a lovable sweet. Idiot.
A lot younger then though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
But I was essentially playing a fool, a buffoon.
But I went to that meeting the coolest I've ever dressed in my
life, and I get to play a Lulu, right?
So look at that. I think the show.
So what? What did they see in me, in my
thing, when I'm going? I was playing.
I wasn't playing it. I wasn't playing it like this,
this absolute sad human being who can't that no woman would
ever look at in their lives. I played it as charismatic as I
could when? Do you do?
You're still the cool guy and. And luckily they they gave me
the part, but they gave me the part of an absolute buffoon.
Yeah. And Andrew Lincoln, he from this
life, at the time, we just done this life, and then he went on
to do that was the kind of cool. He was brilliant in it.
Yeah, it was. It was one of the best casts
I've worked. I think we, I've, I've said many
times before that I was very lucky to work with some huge
stars. James Corden.
And he was there. Yeah, as a kid, as a kid, he was
one of the kids that worked with some huge names.
And naturally the conversation goes, but, you know, what did
you learn from this person, that person?
And what do they teach you? And, you know, what do they,
what advice do they give you and stuff like that?
But, you know, I will, I will say, and I've said it many
times, that as amazing as that was as a young actor working on
some of my teachers, with that ensemble, with Andy and with
Adrian Bauer, Raquel and Nina, I learnt just as much from being a
part of that with them and watching them work as I did
with, you know, Sheeran MacLean or Peter O'Toole Paris,
whatever. It was a wonderful thing to be a
part of, Yeah. Yeah, So Sheldon MacLean,
obviously, if you haven't listened to our podcast, this
isn't a podcast anymore. He referred to Madame Suzatska,
which is the royal film of 1989. We all went.
I was in it. Obviously I was.
You were there. I was.
Really stole it met Shirley MacLaine you did Shaban Azmi,
who learnt how to make samosas in in in my dad's shop she.
She did an amazing an amazing woman.
In Southall we had a snack bar where I used to make sandwiches
and well on the odd days here and there and that's where
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would have thought from all those the early days when you're
going up in a casting session with the entire which was cast
in Southall, I, I believe Southall, Madison Zaska.
There was a lot of casting in Southall.
My particular auditions were outside of there, but there were
lots of adverts. Well, Southall was a massive
part of the life. I think they met almost every
Indian boy of that age in that time.
I was too young at the time and I probably couldn't even act.
And and and then you went for up for that audition in and in
South Rajpal. Uncle, I'm dear your uncle.
Rest is so also put you up for that.
It was just some cold call. Who would have thought Asian
actors of our ilk would be so much further in in film and
television as we speak? Who would have thought there'd
be still a handful of us? How far we've come.
Yeah, it's hard. Well, you know, listen man, as
they say, talent finds a way. I can name on less than one hand
the amount of Asian actors in Hollywood major productions.
Yeah, but you compare it to what things were like.
Yeah, at least we've got less than 5 now do.
You know what I was watching with my boy?
My boy sometimes watched Grey's Anatomy American Medical Show.
Well, I did. I did Devils with Patrick
Dempsey. Right, Yeah, OK.
And it's amazing that this particular episode I think was
probably about 10 years old, maybe 12 years old this episode.
And there weren't any S Asians in this episode, but you know,
there's about 3 or 4 regular black characters in there.
And this is from, from, from back then.
And it was amazing to see because it's taken a long time
for TV in this country to, to get anywhere, get anywhere near
near what America had at, at, at, at that stage.
And, and, and continues to continues to deliver.
I mean, I remember when I started out, you would look at
scripts and there would never be unless it was a show about an
Asian family or an episode about an Asian couple, you wouldn't
have two brown people in the same episode.
It, it, it wouldn't happen. You would look at the script and
you go, if there's someone, if there is a lead role or a series
regular that is of colour, there's no way there's going to
be somebody else. So you would literally go to a
meeting going, well, there's already an Asian girl in it or
there's already a black guy in it.
So this isn't going to happen. And, and, and that was the
truth. The one time was actually
teachers when there were billboards and there were
posters of the five of us and two of us, there was Nina and
myself. And you had out of the five, two
of us were were people of colour.
And it was amazing. And even publications like
broadcast and and trade magazines did articles about it.
That was how that's how big it was then.
And this was the year 2000. And, and there was a feeling
that OK, as ground breaking as that was because there was no
cultural relevance to that. It was just that these are the
actors. I think for my character, he was
originally German. That's why his name was Kurt.
And I came in very late to the process.
And, you know, you do what you can.
You know, I played it cool and then played an idiot.
But you just have to get lucky with you give them something
that they want, which is why you see a lot of the advice now
that's all over the place about auditions is like, you know, you
don't don't focus on getting the part.
Just focus on what you can do with that part.
And the rest will take care of itself if it's if it's needed.
And then you thought maybe that would create a tsunami of
similar type of of casting. And I think what happens is that
when you then embark on a journey where you're, I went on
a brilliant run after that, show after show and characters that
weren't Asian and stuff. And it was there was a slight
disconnect with what you would regard as progress.
And when you start out, you think if you're a good actor, if
it doesn't matter about the colour of your skin, you just
play a particular part. And so when you're playing a
part that was written for a white guy, you're thinking, wow,
this is progress. But where the real progress
should be is, is alongside that is, but stories, Asian stories
and black stories still need to be represented.
And that was perhaps where things didn't go as, as as well
as one would have hoped back then.
But now it's accelerated to, to, to such a, to such a degree that
there are series and stories focusing quite rightly on our
culture. And it's, it's, it's, it's
brilliant. It's, it's brilliant to see.
But it's taken a long, it's a long time.
Well. It's, I don't think it's still
where like they were talking about sinners obviously sweeping
at the award ceremonies. And then ITV News spoke to
Delroy and said, what's it like the, you know, this, the
emergence of black cinema? And he said, it's it's not
black. This is a film.
Yeah, this is a film. What's it got to do with black?
If anything, why didn't they say, what's with this vampire
film they didn't ask about? They're talking about black and
America has transcended race to a degree where you've got you
can go to award ceremonies and be in a room full of a list
black celebrities and entertainers.
I don't think we could do it in an award ceremony in England
with Asians I. Don't think we'd be invited.
We. Wouldn't be invited.
There's been a few recently. I mean, you never get killed.
It's, you know, it's, it's hilarious.
You think, wow, ITV will give you an award many times will
give you an award, all these other institutions that will,
you know, recognise your work. But it's interesting.
Apne log apne bande. Yeah, I I think somehow the
invites aren't. I always remember, you know, I
always remember a thing. This is about 20 years ago,
right, When teachers in this thing.
And for people who don't know it, it was, you know, it was a
really groundbreaking comedy drama, you know, nominated for
everything, BAFTA and all this stuff.
And it was at the time considered one of the most
exciting shows on telly. Anyway, there was this there was
this Asian awards thing called Emma.
I did it Ethnic. Yeah, ethnic Multicultural media
Award. And if it if it's still going.
All right. But we were invited to present
an award. So me and my mate from the show
we went and we presented an award and it was a lovely night.
And it was quite glitzy and, and, and all that kind of stuff.
The next year, teachers was nominated for best drama.
And I didn't get, I didn't get an invite, but I was working, I
was filming. So I couldn't have done it
anyway. But I spoke to my agent and I
said that's weird because it's it's, it's honouring Asian
culture. Our series has been nominated.
And by that stage, Nina had, Nina had left the show.
So I was the only Asian person in that show on the poster and I
hadn't been invited to that show.
So I said, it's what, you know, so and, and my agent called up
and they said, oh, well, you know, we're, we're, it's really,
it's really busy. But if he wants, he can come to
the he can come to the after party, right.
And you're thinking this is this, this is where there's
something and I you know, I couldn't go and say no, you
know, no, thank you. I mean that would have that
would have never happened. But it was the principle behind
how I think it's different this generation.
But where? Who were you honouring when the
show that and we won it and there was a brilliant actress,
Ellen Thomas. A black actress who played one
of the other older teachers, I think she went to to collect it.
But you're thinking, where's the celebration of our talent if
they're not even invited to a show that's won?
And that wouldn't happen celebrating black talent.
Well the good thing about the BBC is since they they cancelled
the Emma awards it was it was scrapped.
What? What happened?
Well, they just got rid of it, it was cancelled, but the good
thing about the BBC is they've never bought back an Asian award
ceremony. So all credit to the BBC.
You don't need those brown bastards.
Get rid of them, give them a network, call it the Asian
Network and put it on the side somewhere, you know, put, put
it, hide it in some an online, you know, desk.
That's why I really commend the BBC.
Get rid of those brown bastards. You don't need them.
I, I, I was booked for the Emma Awards in 2001 to do a stand up
set, all right. And they called me and said, oh,
can you come do 5 minutes? And it's a hard gig at the
Grosvenor House Hotel. I think that was the one we went
to. I think I must have seen you
then. I think Ahmed Jalali did a set.
I don't think he was on my year, he must have been on another
year. So they they'd only booked one
comedian a year to do 5 minutes on my.
Bus then there was only two of you.
He's Iranian. He they used to think.
They used to think we were the same as Iranian people.
Yeah, and the difference? The difference is Iran is very
different to India, OK. So you learn something every.
Every day we learn. We didn't know.
We didn't know these things. Not not back in 2001.
And Chappie course, Andy, a friend of mine and and Ahmed
and, and they booked me and then you got, you'd get thrown out in
between everything. So there's all these awards and
then go and do 5 minutes, which is hard.
I don't know. I don't know.
Been in comedy a couple of years and you're looking out and
there's Rio Ferdinand, there's David Beckham sat there.
There's you look over there, Richard Attenborough was sat
there, right? Richard Attenborough's SAT Who
did Gandhi right? No, no, no, not Richard
Attenborough. He's his brother.
Dickie Attenborough did. Yeah, so who?
Richard Attenborough did Gandhi. Yeah, Richard.
So it was David. David Attenborough's the
brother. Yeah, David's the brother.
So Richard was sat at the end of the, these are people that, and
I walk out and I'm trying to do and I'm, you know, it was so
hard for the first few minutes and I dropped an F bomb and, and
it carried and, and then after the 5-6 minutes, Bali Sagu,
everyone was there and it went well.
But I dropped an F bomb And then I come off and I, I walk up to
my room. It was televised.
I walk up to the. I get into the lift, and then in
the lift is Chris Eubank and his wife.
And this is Chris Eubank just after he retired.
Yeah, one of the biggest stars, but.
You're mates with his son now. I I.
I am actually mates with this son that comes to my shows at
the O2. But then Chris Eubank said to
me, well, when when one is performing at such audacious
events, one must not use such profanities.
This. Is like bad language.
One profanities is not when you one is.
Why did you use such language at such an event?
That's a word. Sorry, I just I dropped
accidentally dropped it in. The thing is, you knock people
out for a living. But Chris, you might not.
He's not from the Middle East. He's not.
Habibi, why you? Habibi yella yella.
Yeah, and I was at his son's last fight with Connor Ben.
Well, that's the first fight I watched at your house.
Yeah, we were together. They were there, man.
That was that was an intent. Wow, What a fight.
What a fight. Now, we saw the fight with Yeah,
we did see that. We.
Saw. No.
Yeah, but we saw. So at yours?
Yeah, at your place, I was supposed.
To go to it and I thought no. Mine is too hectic with all the
kids. Yeah, and all the, you know,
people. And then we were gonna watch the
second fight and end up getting ringside tickets and you.
Didn't go. You didn't take me.
You didn't. I told everyone.
So yeah, I saw them. Baba, that's what I call Paul's
name is is is Baba in our family?
Baba went on his own. He didn't take.
You got away with it. You don't have a nickname.
It was his name or Tiger. Tiger.
Tiger was the thing. Still, my dad called me Tiger.
But we were lucky we didn't get the Minto Shinto's, Minto's
Limpos or Tempos. I had, you know, I had a funny
one and no one knew what it meant, but I think like one of
the uncles used to call me Langri.
Who said that? Junction uncle used to call me
Langri. Really.
And I no one knew what that meant, but I think somehow
someone told me once it might have been a Winder.
Someone told me that meant head chef.
I mean, that's a hell of a nickname.
Yeah, I never. Yeah, I just remember being
upstairs in the loft of the house with you playing table
tennis. You never beat me.
At that point I knew one day he'll be vote best villain.
Best villain in in a in a soap opera.
The problem is the country is being taken over as we speak.
I'll just discussed this with my last guest.
There's an invasion of immigrants.
We've got to be careful with the door here in case some of them
spill in and infiltrate the studio.
If you watch the media outlets, there's an invasion.
We're all being take. It's like 28 days later out
there. You know, we need to get Andrew
Lincoln to sort this out. He.
Needs to. We'll give him a call, man.
Ask the show. Yeah, and, and everyone's
worried that England and Elon Musk is rightfully so in our
corner and thankfully Donald Trump is backing us all up.
Obviously our Prime Minister has no Winston Churchill.
You see, he can't go to war quickly enough.
And, and we're being we're being taken.
I heard this this rhetoric when we were kids.
I didn't realise it's taking them this long.
You weren't listening. Man, I wasn't listening that 90%
of the country is still white, but this 10% is is going to is
going to take us. All, you know, we, we were
having this, we were having this conversation of the day, right
when one of the guys of one of these divisive parties that
wants to change politics in this country was propagating and
peddling this illusion about, you know, this Islamophobia and
creating this, this fear. Shakira Lawman, you.
Know. Yeah, exactly.
Shakira Law. And we were saying that in our
background as Punjabi Sikhs. You grew up in London, I grew up
in Bristol, Mum ran a charity. We mixed with all faiths and
cultures of our different communities there.
Was the Bengalis there, Pakistanis, everything?
Everything, all these, all these Muslim people that we have grown
up with, that we have befriended, that we've worked
with our parents generation, even in India itself, look at
the Muslim population, right? I have never in my life met
anyone, anyone Muslim who talks about Sharia law, right?
This man and his party are saying it's coming to this
country. And a cab driver, a cab driver
that is the, the, that is the basic unit of currency in the
logic that he is using to propagate his domestic policy
against a certain religion. And it is absolutely astonishing
that people like what people just, you know, freedom of
speech is so important and whoever it is should have the
right, the democratic right to to say whatever it is they want
to say as we have the democratic right to listen to whatever we
have to say. But if you're going to start
making statements like that to people who are feeling quite
vulnerable and scared about different cultures because a cab
driver told you. And we as brown people, as
Punjabi people who've grown up within that culture that we
admire and have a great deal of affinity and affection for, have
never met anyone who spouts that kind of.
We are better informed than any of those political parties to
spread the truths about stuff. And it is, it is extraordinary
that those lies and fear are being peddled and everyone's
grouped into that like what? What, what, what did?
What? Do you expect Banjabi, Sikhs and
Hindus to react? If, if, if that if, how?
How would that even happen? Well, Nigel Farage does get his
references from cab drivers, you know, and and he's very well
informed. You see, when Nigel Farage gets
in a cab and the cab driver officers taken over, mate, he's
like, yeah, that's that's what I'm going to talk about
Parliament or in interviews. And then and then when the
unfortunate incident took place, the horrific incident with the
the children in Wales and that Rudacarna piece of shit who
should have been given the electric chair.
He said he's an asylum seeker when he was born in in card.
And his reference for that was what Andrew Tate said on a
video. And these are the people they
want as Prime Minister of England, if he gets in, mate,
you know. I think, you know, people have
the right to to follow and to listen to to who they want, but
be very careful about being taken in by untruths.
See, now there's no. Truths and people.
Your truth. Yeah, people monetising and
weaponising division. It's so clear to see and it's in
my lifetime, I can't remember it being used so efficiently by
these people. I guess because of the way in
which you can have a voice now and have your voice heard.
It's changed so much with social media, but it is just textbook
the way that division is being created and hate is being
peddled by people who have such a financial interest and a
financial gain in doing that. I mean, you know, there's one
thing having convictions in what you believe, but I think some of
this stuff is so ridiculous and is so disrespectful of the
generations that have come here and contributed lovingly to this
country. To clump everything all into one
is so dangerous. Well, we lived through the
aftermath of Enoch Powell speech, Rivers of Blood in
Birmingham in 1967. He did that speech.
So our, our, our dads were here and Sikhs were getting attacked
with turbans because they wanted us to go back to where we come.
Even even though we were invited here after the Second World War
because there was a lack of male labour forces in the UK.
So we were invited to this country to sort it out and now
we fix the country and we're British.
Me and you were born here, right?
Proud to be British, mate. We're British, but now we're not
considered British. Now if you go back to the
original Brits, the Celtics or the Romans or the Anglo Saxons,
if Nigel Farage can't prove his lineage, I think you should be
sent to Rwanda or the likes, because I'm more British than
those bastards. You heard it here first.
Yeah, I don't think we should be afraid of saying that.
What what I find fascinating is that you have there are there
are several ways of thinking of reacting, of engaging.
And what gets me is that, you know, we grew up in a world
where we were surrounded by different cultures and people
can either find that intriguing and enchanting.
I want to learn about it and and get to know it and experience
it. And there are some grounded in
fear and have been lied to who look at it feeling threatened
and through hate. And that's amazing.
Like, what is the biochemistry of the human brain?
To look at it either in a way of huge generosity and intrigue, or
to look at it so hatefully, murderously so.
Conflict sells. Conflict is what gets clicked.
Never has it been so monetized by so many people so, so well.
The the dramas we've lived through, if we we wouldn't have
to make this up, we wouldn't have to make.
Up. It'd write itself.
We would. Write.
You remember, So you remember a couple of years ago, we were
talking, people had come to us and said, look, guys,
interesting combinations you want to do.
And we were, you were busy. I was busy.
We can do it. Like I remember we had talk once
when you were going to do a gig, right?
And there's this big thing about Paul, Paul Chowdhry, the biggest
selling Asian comic the world has ever seen.
Quite rightly. Yeah.
Celebrate, celebrate and this big, big thing and people go
mad. And then I'd come on stage,
right? I'd come on stage and, and, and
be you. And we'd just see how long it
take for, for, for people to go, huh?
Who the hell who's this guy? And I'd come on and go, I love
Dave. All right, Dave, what's
happening to white people, right?
I love Dave. And we were going to do it, but
we, well, I bought, I bottled it because I thought no one's going
to really be like who that we should do it.
What the hell is Nish doing on stage, man?
He's dead, killed by his wife. Nish Pandasar, not Nish Kumar.
No nish. Nishkumar is a different
different nish. Yeah, apologies.
And also Nish. You think when they named you
Nish? It's not a hard name.
Do you know what it is, though? It's there's, there's the, the,
the, the sound consonance is vicious.
It's nasty. Nish.
Yeah, you don't think it sounds cute, Nish?
And deep. It sounds cute.
Yeah, it sounds Naveen is more threatening to me, probably
because of it triggers me. Cute.
My whole life, man, that starts saying.
Yeah, but Naveen triggers me. Naveen's coming.
Oh, shit, Naveen's coming. I've got to get.
A. Table tennis bat thrown in my
head. I wish.
It would trigger my kids. I was, I was.
I grew up scared of you. I would There I was on screen
terrorizing the nation and trying to do the same kind of
shizzle on my kids laughed in my laughed in my face.
You know the other day when I'm on they said I was having a go
at him and and blah blah blah and he just looked to me and he
went unemployed is. That what he said to you?
He said unemployed, I said. To Yeah, unbelievable.
Look at. That by the way, so so the
parallels of our careers for you to become a a leading star of
film and television and stage alike, which I've seen him.
I I was for me to become a stand up.
It wasn't, it wasn't a surprise because I'm such a mess, so.
What, what, what did they your first, so your mum and dad, when
it first started happening, your first sort of gig or when did
they, what, what did they think? Because also the, the language.
I mean, I can remember recently there was a gig and my dad
attended in Bristol and he got up, I mean it's job.
He got up and said mind your language, right?
But what did you what, what did they think?
Because I know a lot of family were like, you know, Baba I was
doing because you were very quiet, very shy.
They're like boy doesn't say 2 words and now he's doing 90
minute sets at Yeah It. Was weird.
Your dad was at the show in Bristol, Big packed out 1 1/2
thousand people. And then he didn't shy away.
He said he grabbed mic. We got to talk when you go home.
I brought the house down. I got the biggest laugh of the
night. My uncle.
An uncle more than I did. Well, I did one of the I made a
short film I wrote, which is a short film years.
Ago, I remember it, I've got it. And we got my dad, we got my dad
to be in it, and we had a great cast.
And there are Varma was in it and Nitin Ganatra was in it.
We had a lovely, lovely cast. But I think the second shot of
the film was my dad, my dad doing a, you know, a scene.
And he was well up for it. And it was all that, that the
short film was all about the challenges that Asian actors
face in the business. And it was set basically in an
audition room. And so we had my dad auditioning
for a part of a bus conductor. And so he only had one.
Which my dad was which. Right, so my dad only had, and I
told the director, listen, when my dad comes in, let me direct
him and we'll do. And everyone's really excited to
have him and, and stuff like that.
And so he had one line. It was like Dick it please, Dick
it, please Dick it, please, right.
So he comes and, and, and we do it a couple of times and he, he,
he, he starts, I said, look, you know, you're a little bit
irritated, you're a bit upset. This is beneath you.
You're a bit like that. So he starts doing and he starts
doing like, starts contorting his face a little bit.
Ticket, please. Ticket, please.
And I'll get da, da, da. What you doing somewhere?
You know, you wanted me angry. And then I'll just just just say
it normally. So we do a couple more takes,
and then he suddenly goes, ticket, please.
Ticket please. Tiger, I have an idea.
I'm going. Right.
Cut. Everybody cut right.
What is it? So I got an idea.
So. OK.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, let's do it. He said instead of going ticket
please, Ticket please. Ticket please.
Why don't I try? Ticket, please.
Ticket, please, please ticket. Right.
I was like, OK, the whole set, everyone fell apart.
It's in the film. We've done it always.
It gets the biggest laugh of the whole short.
And we won awards for that short.
And you know the beginning of that.
The biggest laugh belongs to him.
Great short and a great line. This is where.
See detail. Comedy runs in our blood.
Comedy and drama runs and I think that's, you know, and your
dad is a hilarious individual. The funniest uncle, still, still
the funniest uncle. And yeah, I think the brothers
were very funny. Yeah, they were.
We used as kids, we used to just watch them.
To me, they just get together and I would drink whatever,
speaking Punjabi and we would just literally.
Joke with each other. We'd just sit around in the
language. I mean, is there any wonder that
your stand up is full of? It was influenced.
It was, it was taught to us at a young age.
I mean we would just literally would watch them like it was a
live theatre production. I didn't say anything as as I
was growing up because I was just listening.
Yeah. And.
I mean, they would say, and it's just that's the way, that's
where Punjabi isn't it? You could say pass me the cup
and it'd bring the house down. I took Banjo to the mainstream.
What a word. You know, and now white people,
your Pancho might, you know, that's you're welcome.
You're welcome. I've really.
Took Pancho to the mainstream. I should get a knighthood for.
That we tried to get it in, we tried to get it in, in
EastEnders. Oh really?
I think you said there were some Punjabi words you did manage to
sneak in. We we got some stuff in I think
we may have even done where we can say half, we can say half of
it bad. But I did say, I did say Guddi,
which is bitch. So I managed to say that, which
was a huge, I think that was great because he always
incredibly welcoming about ideas and cultural stuff.
But The funny thing about that is we all did that.
And when I said the line, because he was so angry, he was
just about to attack his wife. Guddi, bitch.
Like, that is stuff that grew up with that language amongst
extended family, right? And the Punjabis in the family
and on set were like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is this is this is it. And what was found unbelievable
was when it came out, someone sent me a clip of this little
podcast with some people saying it wasn't authentic.
And these were very, very well educated, some might say posh
Punjabis criticizing. And I'm going, I don't know
where where you grew up, but clearly you didn't.
You didn't hear what Banjabis and Raval Bindi used to say to
to each other. We were from Rahul Bindi, our
families for Rahul Bindi, which was in India at the time.
And then in 1947 there was a partition separation after
England, after England's rule. And then our families were
refugees. But your dad was a baby then,
wasn't he? He was young, he was.
Because my dad fled, our dad's, our dad's cousins got shot on
the roof and then they were fled and just left the house as
refugees. They lost.
They lost, yeah. We're the children of refugees.
They lost everything and then they just embarked on a mission
for for months till they settled and they moved around.
They moved around a hell of a lot with our grandfather Papaji,
his his job and stuff sort of took them to all all sorts of.
If we did a biopic, you and I and, and we played different
characters, it would be to a degree a period.
It would start off as a period drama.
We'd have to. We could do the Asian sinners,
the Indian version of sinners, and the vampires colonizing us
and and and occupying our land and then us finding.
I think if we told, if we just did a documentary, it'd be more
frightening. It would be.
It would documentary of how the chauderies, how we got, how we
brought up. The trauma.
How we grew up. The the.
They wouldn't put it on they you couldn't.
They'd. Be The Exorcist and the
Chauderies. The Exorcist is is less
harrowing. I think so.
Than what we've lived through 100%.
I don't know about you, but what I've lived through you had a
great you've had a great life. I make a lot of people laugh for
a reason. It's to escapism.
You know everyone we you know like you know the societies we
all as a Society of ups and downs.
We spoke about it, but I watched horror films just to get cheered
up. It would Take Me Out of the
Depression. I I write horror films to
somehow revisit my youth. You were making a horror film.
We yeah, we, we made one, yes. But in fact, it's suddenly had a
rebirth. So suddenly Amazon Prime, if you
the other streamers, 20 years old, we made it 20 years ago.
What can we watch this for the viewers?
It's on Amazon Prime and Toby. And it's called.
It's called The Haunting of 24. It was originally called Life
Still America got their hands on it, changed the title without my
permission. I was a producer.
They changed the title twice. Actually, they agreed not to do
it again for the 20 year anniversary release, but they
changed it because they do things their way.
But anyway, thankfully, yeah, it's it's doing it's, it's doing
quite well on those streamers. OK, actually I'm going to check
it out as soon as I get back. I'm sure I've seen it already,
but I'll watch it again. And obviously this is the
podcast where I ask questions that guests don't want to be
asked. Was there anything that I asked
you or is there anything that you wouldn't like to be asked
before we wrap up? Who's my favorite Asian stand
up? Yeah, I won't ask you that
question for obvious. Reasons it'd be awkward.
It'd be very, very awkward and we could obviously go on to talk
for hours and hours. Less not.
But as always, an honour and a privilege to call you my my
cousin brother. Likewise, although I never asked
you your pronouns, I never have. I don't think we, we've, we've
lived through different eras of, of transitioning, no pun
intended. Mr. Nish Panasar, the greatest
villain of British televisual history, my cousin, the scariest
cousin of the lot. And I've got a lot of them.
We have a lot of them. I'll take that.
I'll have. That we've we've got a lot of
cousins all over the world we don't even know exist.
They don't come close. How many have we got?
We've must been there hundreds by now.
Do. You know all their names.
I don't even know man, I sometimes when people say
something you sent to or Minto like.
Who do Minto's wedding and then? Dinku.
I don't even remember what they look like.
Dinku, Weds, Manu and all this stuff.
No, no, it's difficult. I have to.
My sister's my Oracle. I have to literally translates
to me again. Now this one is this one.
This was my this. Samantha knows all of them.
She knows all of them. She has the Encyclopedia of
Cousins. I only know you and about two
others. We're the only ones that talk to
each other. Who?
We're meeting 2 now actually.
We are meeting 2 now that's. Going to be we're meeting 2 or
maybe 3 it's. Going to be very awkward.
It's it's. Going to be more awkward than
the podcast. I'll let I'll let you do the
talking. I'm more talked out.
And we're going to we. I just hope they get the bill.
Yeah, yeah, fat chance. Yeah, they're exactly.
We'll just do a runner. Yeah.
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