Coming up, would you be intimidated by me if it turned
into a street fight? You don't scare me.
Because your mates with Farage. I mates with Farage, I mates
with Donald Trump junior. People are questioning me if I'm
I'm gay or not. No, no, I didn't.
Honestly, I won't judge you if you were to say anything about
that. No, no, I'm not gay.
Oh, sorry, you might be my son. Maybe you're too too old to be
my son. You know what I might be because
I don't know who my daddy is. I could be your dad.
We might have to cut this high. Yeah, yeah, we're.
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That podcast with Paul Chowdhury, the former presenter
of the podcast Today. My guest needs no introduction
at all, but I'm going to give him one anyway.
He is boxing royalty, a veteran of some of the most brutal wars
in the modern era, and just two weeks ago he took on Deontay
Wilder in a 12 round split decision.
He knocks out giants. He weaponizes press conferences.
And today he sing across from a British comedian who's hoping he
doesn't flip that table. That's why I've only got a small
table so it doesn't flip it. Ladies and gentlemen, the one,
the only Del Boy AKA War Chisora.
Why one rude? Why?
Why 1 Long time man. How are you?
We're fellow NW Londoners, your Finchley Edgware in it.
No, I'm hamster. You're now oh, sorry.
Now you're see, now you've gone. Now you're more like middle
class. You're now you've.
Gone. I've always been hamster.
I always put Finchley at the end of it to just make everybody to
fit in. Eventually the IT kind of makes
out you're from the streets, but you're.
Now you have. It's a very nice area.
Yeah, Finchley has gone better. It's gone down.
You're a bit you're a bit younger than me, so I remember
the days when Finchley was a dump.
I don't know, I think it's a dump now.
Actually, you always kind of edgeway used to be Edgeway's now
a dump, right? I think.
Finchley is Do you think everywhere's going a bit down in
London? Everything is going down in
London because the inheritance of English people not there no
more. Yeah.
So people are bringing one, they think.
There's no more white people left anymore, no.
Yeah, like us. Yeah, I believe so.
What? We going to do about this
because we did Brexit. I know I knew why people to come
back. What about?
What about us? What about us?
I. Need to put you guys back.
I was bored here, mate, I was bored.
Here, Don't get me started right here.
I'm gonna get cancelled. Don't worry about getting I'm
already cancelled you. You're uncancellable.
I don't know why, why this guy got me in the Air Force, because
I go, I go big, tired. I talk too much, you know?
That's what I do. I know.
You fight too much. I talk too much.
I don't think, Derek, you can get cancelled.
I don't think you. I don't think you're really
cancelled. How can they cancel when they
ask boxes to say like, Oh yeah, you know, what's your opinion?
Tyson Fury got cancelled years ago.
He's never been cancelled. You know he's got a Netflix
special. Yeah.
So like the kind of stuff he said back in the day, it was all
over the news. He can't say this and he says
religious beliefs, then it will cancel him.
I don't think cancelling is a thing anymore.
There's too too many platforms, too many things to do.
You can't cancel anyone. Oh thank God man do.
You know what I mean? You can't get cancelled.
You're there's some people that uncancellable.
I think you're one of them. That's good to know.
Thank you. Where are you going to get
cancelled from I. Don't know.
There's, there's, there's always ways to try to block.
When we say cancel, we don't talk about, we're talking about
they kind of shut down you for making the, the ways of you
making your own money. You know, the phone, these
people or you can't put them on your platform.
And then that's what that's what.
We call, I suppose, yeah. The only way is like Russell
Brand, yeah, is then they kind of stopped his monetization from
YouTube when he was on. Various Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Charges, but that's when you got criminal charges.
Against, you know, Russell Brand.
I started off comedy with him. Do you, when you see him, tell
me he owes me something? Is it?
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not going to see him much
anymore. When you speak to him on the
phone. I'm going to avoid that guy.
Why? He's on various rape charges.
Is he? Yeah.
He's. He could go down.
Could he? Yeah.
Fuck. You know you're in trouble,
isn't it? Don't take this personally.
Now, when I saw your missus, I was like that.
Then they said this is Derek Chisora's wife and the kids are
beautiful kids. But I thought, how is how did he
get that? This is to all the brothers out
there and everybody out there, every man.
You must have some bad boy game. No, no, it's not about game.
It's about it's about confidence.
Yeah, I got confidence and I can walk in the room and take over
the. Room.
Oh no, that's that's a fact. I mean, like, you have to have
confidence in everything you do, you know?
So for me it's confidence. I mean, I don't really care.
What did you where did you show up, Sir?
In Hampstead, is it? Yeah.
Because she's a Caucasian lady. We're in the ham, the looks of
it. Yeah, we're in Amsterdam, Swan.
That was it. Man, you, you know, you're,
you're punching. No, I'm not punching.
I'm not literally. I'm doing OK.
I. Can do better for one or two.
You, I don't think you can get better than that, I think.
Yeah, I don't know. You know that three kids.
Three kids. Yeah.
And you're still a young man.
You've got your whole life ahead of you now.
I do, but it's a it's a long life, so you need to figure out
what to do with it. Yeah, it's difficult, isn't?
It it's not difficult. It's wake up every morning and
just take one two steps and that's it.
Because you think about it, you came here in 98, Yeah.
No, 2000 Millennium is it? Yeah, that's when you came.
Yeah. OK.
One or 16. From Zim, Zimbabwe.
Zimbabwe. Yeah, too many ethnics.
There isn't. It no.
Oh, I just came here when I was about 16.
Came in bloody January when it was fucking cold.
Why did you come? Because my mum was here.
Oh yeah. Did you come in a small boat or?
Nah, I came on a plane. I was there, Yeah, I came on a
plane, got to Gatwick. I came on Air Air Zimbabwe
basically when I had the. Airline Were you in the plane or
on the plane? I was in the plane missing in
the economy. Oh, those are the days.
It was OK, but I won't be flying economy anymore.
The economy in Zimbabwe airlines is very different too.
No, no, it was good. Like cargo, isn't it?
No, no, it was good. Is it?
Yeah, because it was empty. So it.
Was good. It was good.
And you landed in Heathrow? No.
Gatwick. Oh, you landed Gatwick?
Yeah. Proper G Yeah, proper G Gatwick.
And then all that. And then when you came and you
were 16, you looked around. Anything.
I looked around. Yeah.
So the white people, yeah, Now I don't look around, I don't see
no white people. So back from 2000 I was already
doing stand up by that point. Yeah, and people didn't
understand stand up by that point.
No, it was new. It was.
New.
It was new, yeah. I don't even know if I've done.
I don't even. I've never done shows in
Zimbabwe. I think I think I think now with
the with the Instagram and Facebook and Tiktok, I think
that's the real news now. So when people can post it and
people going to be flicking for it and obviously the media doing
something in Zimbabwe and someone doing impact in India
and jokes, but it's getting there.
You. Literally just two weeks ago, I,
I I just said this to you before we walked into the studio.
You look like you haven't been in a fight for years.
But two weeks ago, you went 12 rounds with Deontay Wilder to a
split decision at the age of 42. And you don't have any scratch.
How is this? How does your face heal?
You're doing something that we don't know about.
Yeah. How do you heal so quickly?
I eat much pom pom, that's what is it.
But you said on another podcast you don't eat pom pom.
I am. Joking.
No, I just, I don't know. It's always been my night.
Even my kids have the same blood as me now.
Zimbabwe and. Blood.
Yeah. It's just like one minute I'm in
pain, next morning I wake up, I'm back to Nome.
Is it? Yeah.
Yeah, because like I personally thought that was it could have
gone either way. Yeah, but it 2 knock downs that
gave me and that. One thing, when you fell out of
that rope thing and then they. He pushed me, Yeah.
He pushed you? Yeah.
He he pushed me. And even the second time he hit
me, he pushed me. So as I was going down, I was
like, no, I'm going to take you down with me.
And on top of that, he fell down with his knees in my stomach.
Yeah, which was not fair. But I'm going to get him because
I have asked for a rematch. How is it?
Yeah. You got the rematch clause.
I'm. Going to listen.
I got to. I've asked for the rematch.
Yeah, it was. It was.
People say it was a fight it. It was a good fight.
It was a brawl. Yeah, but that's what you want.
And it was like, oh, you should retire.
And I'm like get the fuck out. You know what?
What is boxing? It's theatre.
Yeah. You're selling tickets.
Essentially. It's a way of selling.
I do. I go out there, I tell jokes,
sell tickets. You go out there, you fight, you
sell tickets. It's it's an entertainment.
Why are people complaining about?
Oh, what I wanted to see was more of a chess match where it's
they're fighting. I don't understand when people
criticize boxing. Because they don't understand
it. It's books.
You know what, How hard it is to go 12 round.
People couldn't even go one round for three minutes to get
12 rounds. You know what I've done?
I don't know how many runs I've done in 12.
I've done so many 12 rounds. I don't know how you do it at
the age of 42 as well that you can go 12 rounds.
It's all because I tell you, I always got a thing every time
when they say when it goes coming with the number, I always
look up for the number when my coach is talking to me and I see
oh fuck, round six. Oh damn.
And then I come back again and I'm like round eight.
I'm like oh fuck. You've got a lot in the chamber.
Round 11 and you're like oh fuck hell, now you're holding on by a
thread because you're just tired.
And to keep those arms up and to keep that guard up.
But you, you don't look like it's affecting you.
Even with this fight, I didn't think you looked like you.
You had stuff. You still had.
The tank was still still had. My weight was a problem, right?
Yeah. If I took off a couple of
pounds, I'd have been boxing much better because my last
fight was in February. Water Wallet.
With water wallet. Yeah, and then my weight was
very good for that fight and then this one, the way was not
coming off right for some reason.
It's harder when you get older. 42 still young how do you.
I'm 51 you're. Such a liar.
Yeah, 52 in August. No, no, you're not 51.
Are you serious? No, you're lying to.
Me, I swear to you, 74 I was born.
You look good brother, for thanks for one well done man.
No grey hairs man. A lot of grey hairs.
We just paint them. Just paint them.
Good. I had to paint miles before the
fight over here. I had the wife paint them.
See, even if you shaved, you look like a baby.
Actually, you'd look more like a baby if you shaved.
You know what I'm saying? Black don't crack.
You know what I mean, Zimbabwean don't.
Well, I mean, black don't crack you.
Don't. You've got no lines, nothing
considering you've taken punches to the face for a living.
You. Know everybody always think like
when I take punches, like I ride these punches, you know, yeah,
because you yeah, I ride them. So when he he when I get hit,
boom, I don't stick in the mouth.
No, I go with it and I come back with another one and, you know,
so I'm riding it. You play chess, but most
fighters don't know how to ride. They're like boom, when they
have to stand there. No, I'm like, go with it.
Which is why you're knocked out, right?
You don't get knocked out very much.
Exactly. So when you go with the punches,
people don't realise what it's like to get punched in the face.
I've been punched in the face a few times.
For me, it's not hard. It's it's just like kind of
every day. It's like going to the office.
And it's also hard to punch people in the face.
What what? I've played tennis, I've boxed,
I've done things like this, right?
Tennis is the hardest, football is hard.
But I think when it comes to boxing, it's superhuman strength
that people can. Tackle football is hard.
Not like boxing, football is hard in.
One sense like. In terms of endurance, right for
90 minutes, but it's not like it as I'd say it's I, I, I.
Disagree with you? I would say football, tennis,
tennis is and then boxing. No, no, no.
Sports. There's there's boxing, tennis,
yeah. And then they squash.
Squash. Football is at a bomb because
you have to understand football, you got 10 players.
You can Sprint and pass the ball and never rest in boxing.
You can't rest in tennis, you get low without low, 30 seconds
rest, you get a reward and you go back for about 4-5 steps
until somebody breaks the job. So football, I'm finding it hard
because you can go out drinking, come back, play football and
have a players will cover for you.
So I don't know. About That's true, yeah.
Team sports are way down the list of yeah yeah.
I think what's a new sport everybody's playing now?
Paddle. Paddle ball.
Paddle, Yeah. Yeah, everyone's doing this
thing. You play paddle?
No, man. No, I seen you last time I saw
you at the gym. It was David's gym, remember?
That's why I saw you. I used to train with with David
Haye. He's he comes to lot of my
shows. That's where we met actually,
through through David. A lot of the boxers come to my
show. I don't know why.
For some reason they find my comedy.
A lot of fighters seem. I've never seen your show
before. You should come.
When are you next? It's very violent.
I'm going to America in two days to do the LA.
I'm doing Netflix as a joke festival.
Yeah. Oh, cool.
That's it. Well and Congrats.
Thanks man, it's just a festival, but you come out there
with me. Congrats.
No, I hate America. You don't like America?
No. Can you get in?
I can't. I don't like America.
It's not my thing. But what about Trump?
Because your mates with Farage. I mates with Farage, I mates
with Donald Trump Junior so. So then you should be able to
get into America. No, I can't.
Get in. But I don't like America.
Is it? How come?
Is this food is not good? Food is wicked, man.
Huh. It's the better than this place.
You may, you must be delusional, right?
You must be delusional. What kind of what kind of what
are you eating there? What about five Guys?
That's American. Yeah, but do the mats.
Yeah. What's the American population?
Let's say if you go to LA, well, how many people live in LA?
Must be about a few million a. Few million in those few million
how many cows that I have to kill every time for everybody
they have good beef and how many cows I have to I've.
Heard about this? Yeah, but I'm like, if you do
the maths, I mean like, is this madness?
Yeah. You know, some more American
friends when they come here and I take them for breakfast to one
of my local places and they have the eggs.
They look at the eggs. They're like, what are these
eggs? What is he?
And I'm like, they're like, what?
Because the eggs here are more yellow than than than American
was a white in the sense it's quite difficult, but.
Everyone asked me about your internal monologue.
Well, actually I'm asking about it.
Everyone says that you threw when you threw a table or you
kiss an opponent and they've said like, you know what of
thinking what goes through your head 5 seconds before you do
these things Because boxing is all about entertainment, as we
say, selling tickets. The reason a lot of the good
fighters don't do well is because they can't sell tickets.
And you've said it's yourself, your box office, because you can
create these viral moments, and I think you've created a lot of
them. Yes, because I get bored.
Yeah, but a lot of people don't come up with this.
I get bored. So what's the internal monologue
when you go in there? It's you're the most like a
comic, you know, You go in there, you've got material.
I get bored, man. I get bored.
I get bored with so much of it, like I can be as I'm saying
here, and I'm thinking about how I'm going to sell my rematch.
Yeah, I'm going to help you sell this rematch.
But Deonte, yeah, he was I, I wanted, obviously wanted to go
your way. Yeah, but all I'm trying to say
to you is like the way things come up from me is just like
when I'm just thinking of something that will pop up, like
the the kissing thing. I think I just came back from a
band. Yeah.
And then I was finding him and I was being bored.
And when I did, it was, yeah, I'm really shocked.
And people were. Questioning your people.
People were questioning if I'm gay or not.
No, no, I didn't. Honestly, I won't judge you if
you were to say anything about that.
No, no, no, I'm not gay. Oh, sorry.
Yeah, just kiss the man. Doesn't make you gay.
I didn't. But don't make you gay.
They don't make you gay if you kiss a.
Man don't make you gay. I mean like it's like going to
see a doctor, Yeah. And you're going and you and you
like to go see a doctor and goes put your trousers down just
checking your testicles that. Doesn't make you gay.
But if you got if, if you get a hard Dick, does it make you gay?
No, that don't make you gay if. You get stiff.
On if he wanks you. Off.
No. If you get hard on.
Yeah. Let's say you go and see your
doctor. Yeah, you got some issues.
And then suddenly you lay on the bed.
Yeah. And you're there to stand and
it's like opening up and then suddenly you get hard on.
And you're there for a sore throat.
No, no, I'm, I'm just saying, yeah, if you, I mean like, let's
say you're gone then because you've been scratching a little
bit and that's how you go. I'm just.
Yeah, You know, everybody scratches, you go there, that's
how you lay down there and that's how they you.
Got a Bona? You got a bona.
What do you do in that situation?
Well, you that's how are you gay?
No. I, I asked my doctor this when,
when I get when I get, you know, in, in boxing, when you get your
medical check, you go see the doctor.
He will strip you and then you look at your toes, your leg,
your ankles, everything, your head, everything.
And then suddenly next minute he goes for the he fucking goes for
the bulls. So 1 nails I'm laying there.
I go So dog, if I get hard on, does that make me get you guys?
You guys, I hope you don't get one.
So you put you put his fucking two hands on my nutsack.
Yeah. And he's like holding them.
I'm like, God shit. I'm like, don't get hard on,
don't get hard. I'm sure this is not part of the
boxing exam. It is.
Have you? Was he the actual doctor or he?
Was actually a doctor, but he didn't.
Come into the room. Just if you ever tell me to bend
over so my ass. I said no, that's not.
That's part of the exam. No, no, that's not This is you.
We're going into areas of boxing professionality that no podcast
has ever gone near. Yeah, He's just boxing.
Boxers are weird, man. You know, boxing.
This is a weird man, people. Yeah.
I mean, like purple. Weird is it?
Yeah. How come in a way like you know
where men are, Men are like there's about 10 men are.
A lot of men. Yeah, there's so much gay talk
going on in there. There must be gay boxers in it.
There must be, but I never met one.
We wouldn't know. Yeah, but they should come out
though. But you'd say more than MMA
because? Oh fucking that MMA I see this
man and some of my friends my Michael Page when he's.
Michael Ben Page. Yeah, when he's training, when
like he's got big fight coming up the block, he going to do
some technical and he will lay down in the in the cage and open
his legs and his hands and I have a man has to come on top of
him. I'm like, oh, that's gay.
But I always wind him up. What happens if you're in a
clinch with Michael Venom Page and you get harder?
No one get harder for me, it's too skinny.
He's different weight division to you.
Some heavy weights are out there.
Nah, you could. No way.
I've been at your fights, I've been.
I was at the first Tyson Fury 1 when Chris fought.
Yeah, in Wembley. No, that was the Copper Box.
The second, second one. Not the first one, the second.
One yeah, with Billy Saunders. Billy Joe Saunders and it was
all travellers. Yeah, I tell me I want a fortune
call back when anybody has a bastard like.
Yeah, that's how they speak. I don't want a fortune.
I. Grew up with them.
Did you where? When I was at school, like these
travellers came to my school and this caravan just turned up in
the area. Like loads of caravans turned up
and I was playing tennis with my friend in Cameras Ave. one of
the parks and then one of my friends on his bike.
He was mouthy to these two little guys.
Let me let me try your bike like Lauren train ride your bike and
I never don't forget to ride it. Let me give a go on your bike.
And he's no, no, fuck off, man. Now why are we putting out a
fuck off? I'll fucking avoid you on that
bastard. And he smacked.
They both kicked the shit out of him.
What's the difference between Travellers and Gypsies?
I think the gypsy term is politically incorrect now, but
the gypsies originated from India 100 / 100 years ago and
then they travelled round India and this travelling term is now
the politically correct term. OK, I think now you get the
gypsy gangs in the Romanian Gypsies in London.
You know when they come up to you and they give you that rose
thing. Yeah, those are gypsies.
OK. And travellers and that.
So they turned up in these caravans and one of them sat
next to me at school. So because I was in with the
family, I was protected. None of them messed with you.
Then when you're in with the family, you know, a lot of you
know, obviously you know. No, I don't have any problems
but. Well, but Tyson Fury originally
was a traveller, right? But you know if you don't know
not. Anymore, I think, I think it's
too rich. Yeah, but you know, most
travellers are rich, you know that?
Yeah. So cash in hand, no tax.
Yeah, big time. Yeah, and then, you know, I was
just protected. So I was in with.
I was literally a traveller then when I was growing up at.
School. So where you originally from?
Family from India. In the original Indian
Traveller. Yeah, originally with the
original Gypsies, yeah. Yeah.
So it's. So you were in like, proper,
like even with the boys not taking showers?
Yeah. No, no, all that stuff.
So any trouble? And then when?
And then I used to train in Cronk Gym in Chalk Farm.
Yeah, remember that gym? You know, I know Cronk Gym.
My nephew trains. Yeah, I used.
To box there, Thai boxing there when I was like 17/18/19.
Oh wow. And I was going to take what you
look because as you can see here, you can see on the camera,
there's no bone. You know me, there's no bone.
But you got a good nose, man. This is busted.
Completely busted. So you got bone in there and
then it cracked it. I had a sinus problem and then
this the the bone grew there and I this it's all like this is a
mid Michael Jackson nose. Look at that.
Yeah. So if I get punched to the face,
you can't really feel it. Can you?
No, there's nothing there, just it's a skin.
You don't need this. So I might get a new nose.
Can I try? I don't know if you, you
probably knocked me out. You what you What's your weight
now? I don't know, I'm running my fat
fatty. I'm trying to take it off.
It's quite hard to lose weight. It's hard when you get older,
your body retains more. It's very hard.
Yeah, at your age it's but you can still get ripped up at 42,
man, you're still a baby. It's hard, you know, I'm finding
things harder now. Yeah, you get more tired.
No, no, get more tired man. Like it's becoming, it becomes
harder. You know, you don't want to
argue with anybody anymore. You just want to love everybody
and. What What about when your your
missus gives you like? Dale, why aren't you getting the
kids in the MO? Because I know you go for your
school runs. Does she give you a hard time?
No, she don't. She's a good woman.
She never gives me hard time. She just doesn't.
She likes to do it by herself. Well, then you're done well.
You know, I did a school run today.
But have you ever met her parents yet?
Me and her parents are good friends, best friends.
They know that about you. Yeah, we're cool people.
They weren't racist or anything. No, they were.
No.
What Trace who you brought on me, mate?
I think they were shocked when they met me the first time.
What the fuck is this motherfucker shit?
Every president would be shocked being a big black guy in your
house. Hey, how are you?
Who the fuck is this mother? Heavyweight boxer, you can't
even say, hey, get out of my house, you come near my my
daughter, I'll knock you out, mate.
You know, go to your doors, you're going to start dating so.
They're still babies though. They're still babies, bro.
This is difficult. I don't know.
I'm going to deal with it. Yeah, there's going to be.
And then they're not going to mess with you.
You go kids. No, no kids.
I'm. You gay?
I'm I'm straight. So why not his?
You know, life has been hard. I never settle down.
You know, you know what I find interesting about guys like
yourselves, like, you know, everything else?
You got the money, you got your fame and you travel the world.
It's like you must have something.
You do. When you go, you go out there,
you see ladies, you must be firing in blanks because if if
you haven't had the scale of like girls say I'm pregnant,
it's quite difficult. I didn't say I didn't have girls
there, so they're pregnant, but I'm not, no, I deny, no, there's
no girls. But we're on camera now.
So all the kids out there that have contacted me, they're not
yours, they're not mine. That's not mine, That's not me.
You might be my son. Maybe you're too.
You're too old to be my son. You know what, I It might be
because I don't know who my daddy is.
I. Could be your dad, You could be
Can I be your dad? But then if you just misbehave,
I wouldn't be able to hit. You, you can be my dad, but I
need pocket money. If you don't give me pocket
what? I'm going to fuck you up.
I think you've got more money than me your dad will be asking
you for. Pocket.
I need pocket money. Come on man, you're loaded.
No. What's loaded?
No. I'm not Dell boy.
I'm not. Loaded.
Come on man, you, you earn some money on those fights.
You're selling out big roof. So you there's big boxes out
there that can't sell a ticket. Because they don't know the
game. Yeah, entertainment.
Entertainment, the game. The game is entertainment, you
know, You know that most people spend money are the hard working
man, the guy who goes to wakes up in the morning, train driver,
electrician guy, you know this, the guy parking ward.
And those guys spend money because they work and they want
to have some fun. They want to buy tickets to
fight. Yeah.
The the everyman. That's the people that we played
to, the working man, the working man, the hard workers.
Rich people don't buy tickets. They don't buy tickets.
Three people say in the house and say fuck now, yeah.
So and they watch you on a fire stick.
Yeah, Fire Stick. Cheap ass motherfuckers.
Yeah, because when you go boxing and you look at the audiences
there, so I've seen you at so many fights.
Why can you say hello? I always come and say hello to
you. I saw you when I saw you at
Chris Eubanks last fight with Connor Ben.
I just came up and said hello to you.
Did you? Oh.
Yeah, I remember. What were you saying again?
You were you were sitting next to Jason Statham.
No. No, no, no, no, no, I wasn't.
I know him. We go to the same doctor bar.
I don't know. He was sitting with the boss
man. We're in.
Prince Khalid. Prince was there.
Prince Turkey Al Sheikh. Turkey Al Sheikh was there?
Was it Vinny Jones? He comes sometimes.
Was Vinny Jones. There, he wasn't there.
The other guy was there. Guy Ritchie was there.
Guy Ritchie, Yeah. Guy Ritchie was there.
That was a that was with Connor Connor Ben his fight on last
Saturday. It was interesting fight, but
that that night was an interesting card because Chris
Eubank junior comes to a lot of my fights, a lot of my not
fights shows I. Don't know?
You smoking? You smoking crack?
Some gypsy cracking is. When you get to my age, you
can't remember if you're a fighter or a boxer taking too
many punches. You're you're more coherent than
I am now. But what do you think that
people say you're a diet And the Five guys thing, people ask
them, are you sponsored by them? No.
You're not even sponsored by them.
No. Come on, man.
It's five guys, man. You know I.
Thought you were going to bring five guys into the studio and
put them around. Man, I can phone five guys while
I will get delivered, is it? Yeah, that's the relationship I
got with them. And and junk food.
Junk food. What's junk food?
People say that you eat a lot of junk food.
Me. No, I don't.
Is it no running young? You think Five Guys not junk
food? It's not it's not junk food.
Is it healthy? It's healthy.
I mean, like, what are you going to get?
Yeah. Beef burger.
Yeah, with ketchup and a bit of salad at the same time.
Yeah. And and and and and some carbs.
That's true. That's true.
That's what's. Best fries out there though.
Exactly. Those fries, I mean, like, I
mean like, those fries are real potatoes.
Are they real? Real potatoes, yeah, different
number of franchise, but those are real potatoes and if you if
you want to, if you if you get there and you order your burger,
you're waiting for your burger you're going to have some nuts,
some Roux and. They're in the shell.
Yeah, exactly. So it's not, it's not junk food,
it's very good food. Yeah.
But you for someone to go from that diet, they say, you know,
you can be in a couple of leaves, a little bit of chicken
on there, some protein and some leaves and some leaves and some
protein, but you go against that grain.
But I say as a heavyweight you can get bigger.
You know, that's why I'm finding hard you get bigger and you
don't get bigger and your stomach gets bigger for us and
that's how your legs get bigger. We're still looking lean though.
Yes, because I've I haven't stopped training you keep I only
two. Well, after the fight I only
took a week off and I started training right for my own mind
as well. Yeah, yeah.
And just stay active. You drink coffee.
Yeah, I drink about four. Coffee.
Is it? Yeah, and I drink much as well.
Yeah, much is good. I've got my own supplements warm
piece but I have to plug that in there.
I've got War and Peace coming out.
Yeah, it's all turn. Yeah.
Talk to me, I'll put some war and peace.
Around, I'll send you some I'll. Stick some up here.
War and Peace. I'll send you some.
Deontay Wilder was a split decision April 2026.
You proved your absolute durability and again went the
lock the distance with arguably one of the greatest punches of
all time and be at that fight I've been waiting for for 15
years, the Wilder fight, and you even said that we've been
waiting for this for ages. Yes, the guy can punch, but
afterwards this is but. He didn't get you really with
anything. No, he did not.
He never rocked you at one point.
I felt it by you. You don't show it all.
Yeah, I've never said, and I've been quite a few of your fights
and there aren't many. You've got a chin.
Thank you. Where does that come from?
It's the legs. You get hit, you ride it bro.
You don't go with it because you're going to get knocked
down. Yeah, because you've got the
face where it kind of like the chin is, is hefty, isn't it?
Right, Yeah. I mean like every those things
when you get hit by between, get knocked down, it's a punch you
don't see which knocks you out. Well, I was at the Dylan White
second. Yeah.
So I didn't see that one left. Yeah.
So when he when I left to come went to sleep.
You went to sleep, but you weren't out for that long.
No, I went to sleep by this. This this weather when you get
knocked out? Yeah.
It went. Quiet.
No, no, we weren't quiet. But I wanted to explain to
everybody at home, man, that your mind plays tricks on your
fucking legs, bro. Yeah.
I go knocked out. Yeah.
And I'm like, I can't get up. Yeah, I'm like, let's get up.
And my legs are like, Nope, we're not getting up.
I'm like I can get up and I'm really seeing the ref 1-2.
I'm like I'm up, I'm up, I'm up. I'm trying to get up here but my
legs were not moving. So you were conscious?
No, I was up. I was trying to.
I was up like my my neck was up. So you weren't sleeping?
4 I'm like, I can get up and it's honey.
He's like going everybody jumped on because now the fights are
all OK, fine. That was a good shot though from
Dylan. I think that was the last, you
know, that was the peak of his career.
Do you think so? I don't know.
He's just made some stupid decisions.
And you know, I always find people who move out of London
trying to save money and then they go live in different
countries. They don't win fights.
He lives in Portugal. I mean, so many fighters have
like moved to Dubai to go train there and then suddenly they go
fight, they don't win cheer. Everyone's been to Dubai now.
Not anymore, no. No, no, not now.
Not anymore. Iran ain't helping that new that
move. I think it's not Iranians, I
think it's just Americans and their friends, but it is what it
is. I love Americans, yeah.
Yeah, I love Americans too. I love the American.
Which ones? Trump.
I like Trump. I have to say that because.
I'm going there. He's such a.
I won't get into the country otherwise, so I just want to say
all the American. People, should I get you Dufour?
Here you got a ice. Ice got me removed last time.
Ice. In January I did a tour on the
ice. There was a big storm and there
was 6 inches of ice. Oh.
My I'm like what? That's my opening joke in
America. Yeah.
You like it? That's a good one.
You can have that actually. I can use it.
I leave the jokes to you. I can't.
I ain't got. But you, you come up with the
best jokes, man. I still watch your present.
I watch love your press conferences without the fights
in the face of. Oh yeah.
It's just madness though. It's crazy.
The Vitali Kwichko fight was 2012.
You went 12 rounds with Vitali for the WBC title.
It's famously where you slapped Vitali at the weigh in and spat
water in Vladimir Klitschko's face in the ring.
Who can forget that? You still talk.
You talk to those Vitali guys. No, my bummed into one.
I mean, I beat a long time. Ago you're right with you, now
you're. Right, but we don't really talk.
They're not my friends like and say hey, let's have breakfast.
They're at war now, isn't it? Yeah, man, it's just crazy, man.
What's happening? There's war in Europe, there's
war in the Middle East, there's war in in Africa.
That's crazy. After 2001, my life changed
because then, because then every then the nobody was scared of
black people anymore, they were scared of brown people.
Yeah. We became, I used to do a joke
in the black. We became the new black people.
But you. But you never get you never get
Jamaican people hijacking a plane.
Why? Because they missed the flight
playing gun route. Why?
You know, I tell you what, Yeah. I went to Ghana.
Yeah. OK.
Yeah, I was going to Ghana. KD is promoting a fight in
Ghana. Yeah.
So I'm late. Yeah, this is Heathrow.
Yeah. So I'm checking.
I'm like, I'm let it go. We I'm like, I'm getting Ghana.
And they're like, oh, don't worry.
You know what you mean. The flight's going to leave with
1:30. This is around 1:00.
Like, don't worry, I'm running to the other terminal, Terminal
4. I'm sweating.
I get there. The flight meant to leave at
1:30. We left at 4:00.
Really. Yeah.
And I said why they go. This is one of the planes which
takes so long to load because everybody brings 2 bags.
Each. Yeah.
Why did they travel with so much?
I mean, and Nigerians like 17 he's.
Open. He's open about Nigerians.
It's an African thing. Indians as well.
Yeah, it's an African. 55 suitcases.
Like for me, if I travel for four 3-4 days, I take 2
suitcases. I thought they were moving home.
I take 2 suitcases, yeah. That's a bit.
You're a boxy. It's different.
No, but some of the stuff I'm taking I don't even wear it.
Yeah, that's what I do. And if I'm just taking in case
in this, is that always in case if I have to go somewhere here?
I went away to Monaco for three days.
I took about two suitcases. Is it for two days?
Yeah, because I'm like in. Case some of my white friends
just take a toothbrush I'm like where's the suitcase you see me
bag my. Yeah, that's it.
Like what? Are you going to wear?
Why I'm wearing, Why have people got it easy?
Yeah, they got well, we got to this whole thing of life to wear
this on this day. And your, your.
Your beauty products, your eye cream, your.
Do you do that? I don't do that.
I don't do all that. That's not me.
What because? How do you look like this
without all that? This is water.
You drink a lot of. Water.
Yeah, and some and some Vaseline.
That's it. Nothing else.
Or cocoa butter. All that Vaseline they put on
your face during the fight has clearly helped.
Man, you need that shit because them punches, they'll be
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Vladimir Klitschko, that was a period people were quite
disappointed by in heavyweight boxing.
Yeah, a bit. Boring because there was a point
of like, they were controlling everything in the sense of he
probably had the IBMWBO and everything and they only chose
the opponents they wanted to fight because they were paying
off. Oh, really?
Yeah. And then I think the game
changer was when this one boxing opened.
It was New York City. I don't know what happened.
Vladimir was supposed to fight somebody for the for the IBF,
and he went to, I forgot his name, this black kid and a
Russian kid. Yeah, I forgot the names.
Anyway, it's same guy, AJB for the IBF, right?
First time he won it, they had a fight and one of them pulled out
because one of them broke, messed up his knees in the
fight. And then at the end, so the
opportunity made the fight for this guy with AJ at Wembley.
Do you remember when AJ became the IBF?
It was No, it was, no, it was O2 Arena.
O2. Yeah.
That's what's that's when the game game changed.
Yeah. Do you understand if you, if you
look at the whole pattern when Eddie had brought the heavy way
back because everybody else was trying it but it wasn't
happening? Yeah, yeah, because there was
that long period. Long period after.
The Tyson era. Yeah, long period.
And then that happened and then Tyson was getting rematch with
the with the Klitschko didn't happen when in the press.
It's it's boxing is a mad, mad, mad ass game.
But the good thing about boxing is, is very clean business.
It's not. There's no corruption.
What? Fuck that, you mad?
Like it's a very ethical business.
Nobody messes about with anyone financially.
There's so much corruption. There's so much corruption in
boxing. That's what I like about boxing,
is like the corruption. Sofa it wasn't.
Like everyone gets the right amount of money.
Nobody gets ripped off can give us a.
Clean Business. I'm getting one sense because
you're saying these words, but you know you don't give me a I'm
trying to understand it. You know, like all these
promoters would never dream of ripping off boxes.
That's the good thing about boxes you guys have.
No, but, but you have to understand this.
Yeah. When we say ripping off, yeah.
Listen, there's a there's a thing.
I was on, on, on, on, on, on, on.
When you join TikTok, the guy goes corruption is bad.
Yeah, corruption is so bad if I'm not involved in it, but if
I'm involved in it, it's good. There's no corruption.
Yeah, it's not corruption. So the same thing as scamming
fighters? Yeah, it's bad as long as the
fighters are. Do you understand?
Yeah, everybody. There's so much money in boxing
bro. Ridiculous money and now the
sheikhs are involved. Yeah, he's he's.
Taken to another level. He he bought his, you know, I'm.
Sport boxing. No, he's hasn't bought boxing
doesn't. He on Ring magazine now.
He owns Ring Magazine. That's good, because Ring
Magazine was not doing any much by.
In the 80s, yeah. I mean, like, since he bought
Ring magazine, we've gone to Saudi, New York, you know,
London, you know, for, for Ring Magazine awards, you know,
hopefully these guys never had a lobster pasta driving a lobster
pasta for, for takey out shake, you know, So, so you have to
understand the since since he's gone and he's came into boxing,
he's giving us, he's giving us some serious fights, you know,
so you have to just give credit, man.
They they're an interesting crowd there in Saudi Arabia
where they watch boxing. They're not as loud as British
people call. My son is a Yeah, but you?
Have to understand is that in Saudi there's no alcohol.
It's all. Halal.
Halal, yeah. Yo-yo, yo-yo, you're halal,
aren't? You.
I'm sick. You see?
Oh, how come you don't have the? Didn't have the turban because I
grew up in the 70s and 80s. So you're not, you're not sick
because you're not sick. Practicing sick.
You're practicing sick. Well, I don't wear the are.
You really sick? Is he Christian?
Is he Muslim? What's the?
Seeker. Sikh.
What do you pray to? The 10 Gurus. 10 gurus.
OK, cool. So we have that, Yeah.
It's like, yeah, it's his own religion.
OK, so one of the newest religions in the world.
Is there? What about you?
I'm Christian. Is it You're born again?
Born again. Christian.
Yeah, born again, 8 years old, but don't even pork for the last
eight years. Mashallah, yeah.
No pork. No pork A.
Lot of people thought you were Muslim.
No, no, I'm not no more. What I liked is when you did the
interview with Piers Morgan. Yeah.
And you called him the C word. Yeah.
That was very funny. That went viral as well.
Didn't I? Didn't even know.
That went viral and. I don't know.
I didn't. That's.
Huge because that was the fight week, right?
So you probably concentrate on the fight.
But when it comes to the Epstein island.
Oh yeah, that's that's not my thing.
Yeah, I want to be. I've asked my agent to put me on
the Epstein list. Why?
Because it's very good for your career.
But you know, like. I tell you why you don't want to
be on our list. Because you're not white.
You don't have blue. Yeah, no, I want to be in the
good list. No, you're not white.
Anything you this enough for? Those motherfuckers are all
white. But is anyone going to jail?
No, because that there's no such thing as a white paedophile in.
There. Yeah, exactly.
They all white, blue eyes in No, no, I'm going to go to jail.
None of them are going to get arrested.
Piers Morgan because he met her. Gillane Maxwell a couple of a
book launch, he said he met her at Booklaws.
That's why he's on the in the files because he met her.
So I want to be on that list, the good list, not the bad list,
not the molesting list. I want to be on the I want to be
on the list where I met them somewhere.
And then for the PRI. See, this is a diversion for
some of them, big bro. So you think Piers Morgan was on
the dodgy list? I.
Mean if you're on that list, bro, there's something going on.
Because I know Piers is a friend of yours, he says he's.
No, I'm friends. I'm not friends with him yet.
I'll be friends with him one day.
Yeah, he, he kind of tweeted. He said, oh he's you're my mate.
He's my mate, mate, I will be friends one day.
He's into his boxing isn't. It he loves boxing so you sure
you want to go on? That just a good list, not the
bad list. Angry you're not listening.
Can you put him on the list again?
That's it. You go viral.
You. When they knock down on your
door and they see you on the list, don't be fucking start
crying bro. I was just joking Derek.
Don't be start crying because everybody, everybody says they
want something. When it happens, they decide
shit in their pants. Then they bring this podcast
back up. So you said on this podcast to
Derek Chiseler that you'd like to be and Lee Epstein is.
You basically admitted guilt. Guilt.
And then no, no, no, I was. Joking and then that's it.
We can't joke about those things.
You. Can't.
You can't. You can't joke about.
That so obviously in 20. I was at the 2018 Dylan White
fight. There were brutal fights, man.
Entertainment heavyweight is finest in the modern era.
They say you've been in some of the greatest wars in the modern
era. The build up to the 2016 fight
is when you picked up that table and just lunged it at the man.
And why, why, why does white call himself white?
If he's black, Why do you think he's is?
He thinks he's white. Yeah, because I think his
granddad was slaved by a white person.
His name was White. Oh, is it?
Is that where it comes from? Yeah, that's why I'm called
Chaudhary. Tell me, maybe you do you
understand? We were colonised in the by.
British, Yeah. So.
So you don't have your own last name.
Paul. My first name is Paul.
Yeah, I see that. Yeah, and Derek as well.
Derek's not a Zimbabwean name. That's not my uncle gave me that
name. Yeah.
What's your Zimbabwean name? I don't have one, never got one.
I'm we'll cut that bit out if you don't understand.
No, never got one. Is it?
No, I'll be honest with you. No, I got 1.
So my last name is Chizora. That's it.
Del Chizora. Because when it comes to Brexit,
Derek, Del Boy, I remember when you used to walk, drive around
in that Del Boy car. Me, I never had that car.
Only fools and horses one never had it.
Who's was that then? I think it was Ricky Hatton one
it. Was Ricky Hatton's.
One, yeah, because Ricky was. We loved the Only Fools and
Horses, but everybody loved Fools and Horses.
What a show. What a show.
What a great show that was. Yeah, good old days, mate.
Oh, I mean because. That's what they talk about in
it like the Brexiteer, like Nigel Farage, and talk about the
good old days, America to the good old days.
What's the good old days? That was when it was just us
white people here and knew lot never came here yet.
So that have you been to the East End?
Yeah. Westland.
It's like fucking Bangladesh down there.
You'll be born. Is it?
The Bengalis it used to be. I mean, I gave you been to the
East End. Yeah, was was was fucked up.
It's well in White Chapel that when I used to go to East End to
do shows back in the late 90s, it was rough.
Yeah. Now you can't find a flat there
for less than two 3 million. That's how I am because when we
do white. Chapel.
When we drove through there, man, it was like tents
everywhere. The tents.
Yeah. Tents.
No. No, at least 10.
Yeah, it was bad. What are the tents doing there?
I. Don't even know selling stuff in
there so. You wouldn't even get your car
in the Eastern. Come with me, you'll be safe.
I'm safe or I go. The Bengalis know me everywhere.
Man, I'm safe. Where am I going?
And I'm safe. Derek, if anyone gives you any
trouble anytime, I'm going to give you my number.
You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to get a picture saved
vote for Nigel Farage. I'm going to walk around
worrying. That might.
I think that might not work. Why not?
If you get trouble, you just say my name in East End.
OK, so Are you sure? Let's cut this for the podcast.
But a lot of people I'm, you know, I'm a known G in that.
Area. Are you sure you can say no
more? Anytime because you don't want
to get into Iraq. Right, I like fighting.
But there was a video that there was a stream.
That that delivery. Driver.
What happened with him? You got fucked up.
But he was a bit out of order, he started.
You don't mind. You can't ride your bike.
You see this? This is a message on delivery
drivers. Yes, you're working.
You can't ride on a pavement and expect me to move out of
pavement because you want to ride your bike.
Pavements are meant for people to walk by.
If you're recycling on the pavement, where do we walk?
That's a good point. Yeah, it's not fair.
So no, motherfucker got fucked up.
But I didn't fuck him up because I asked him, can you come off
your bike, please? Just push your bike.
And he start barking and then he was trying to go for my go for a
punch. He didn't know who you were.
You know. He didn't know.
He's a guy was stupid because he saw me saying with lots of white
people, he thought I was one of those black white man.
Why Do you know what happened? So you're Dylan White?
Yeah, exactly. Derek White, I.
Thought you were Derek White. Derek White so mad to smoke him.
Yeah, that video went viral as well.
Yeah, and you go viral more than comedians.
Yeah, because I know what to do. I'll teach you.
I'll give you something can. You teach me how to go viral.
Give you some tricks I. Need to sell tickets?
Yeah, you need to teach me what to do.
And we couldn't make some videos.
What are your next show? America.
America, you doing one in London?
I want to come back to I did the O2 last year, Wembley, nice
Birmingham Arena. Yeah.
But we need to maybe get you out on my shows.
Have you thought about stand up? Nothing that'll Boo me on the
jokes. My jokes are not that good.
I'm not that funny. And I think you're very
charismatic on on the mic. I don't know that's what.
The 2020 incident where you pushed Alexander Osek and you
marched him down with 12 rounds. Yeah, if I was hard.
Not many people have done that. If I was hard, is it?
Yeah. It was a difficult fight.
It was in lockdown. Now imagine now lockdown.
There's no one in the arena. Yeah, quiet.
It's quiet. You can hear the punches
yourself. It was very hard.
Yeah. It was a hard fight, but it.
Was very close though. Yeah, that's why he never gave
me a rematch. Yeah, that's why he never gave
it that. Yeah, one day in each alone.
That's the thing about boxing is there's a little bit of luck
involved sometimes as well in it.
Yeah, but I never had luck in boxing, you understand.
Nobody else has had luck up off of me.
Had what? Like luck?
Yeah. You know.
Life is no, yeah, I think I I I would say, I would say you're a
lucky man coming and started. Late.
I'm very stubborn to understand. I don't want I don't want to
work hard on to get it. Yeah, don't just leave it
because most people listen to their families.
Oh, it's time. And then they feel sorry for
themselves. Yeah, then we've been telling
you to retire for years. Yeah, people want me to retire.
I'm going to retire sooner. Yeah.
But I think you've got a lot more business opportunities up
your sleeve. I might become a comedian.
Take over your space. You know what, I don't know if
you'll take over, but because in in the comedy, I'm not one of
the heavyweights, so it would be a role reversal.
I might give it a crack. Let me let me go home first.
Let me write some stuff I. Think me when you should do a
face like we know that table when they talk.
What's that thing called? The the the gloves are off, so
we're going to do comedy face. Off me and you together in the
dark room, but where you flip the tables.
Would you be open? Why would you be open in line to
me? I don't know, Derek.
What can you do to me? You know, it's something like
that. I'll.
Say your hair shit. This is real hair.
You know shit. People think people think I'm
wearing a wig are. They were.
Are you serious? You've had his hair stuff for
almost. 55 years now. Jesus Christ.
So you you wake up in the morning and you comb me and you
push on the side. You know what you do?
Do you like it? That's quite cool.
What's up? OK, you go to the bubbles and
say to the bubble, what? What's the What's that called?
I don't know, I just like shave the sides.
As you can see, there's a bit grey here.
Yeah, but what you call it, because if I go in there, I say
I'll give me a bald head shave. Yeah, use. #2 you normally
shave, it isn't. It I say yeah, I say use #1
keeper #1 but you won't want I. Just say like do like like 0 on
the side and 55 on the top. So you see most people say I
want to comb over. So you do side side comb over.
So it just covers up all the bald spots, all all all the all
the have you. Ever you, you can.
You can bowl into me. That's why you're hiding.
Here so this is a comb over. It's a comb over to hide A bow
patch, right? Well, as I saw it.
You can see it here. Yeah.
You see it? It's a comb over.
Yeah, it's the best comb over you've seen.
So you to hide it because. You can get the tablets and I
take the tablets, but then you don't get a boner anymore.
The tablets messes you up because they give you long
fingernails because Jeremy Piven was taken last year.
Oh, I know Jeremy Piven. How do you know him?
Jeremy, Jeremy, my boy. Yeah, yeah, he started stand up
as well. Now my.
Boy, he's, you know, Jeremy is so talented, bro.
One day goes to me. I'm going to do a film, but I'm
going to play a tap dancer caught by the Nazis during the
World War and stuff like that. So we're saying this is a joke?
Yeah. And then I think it was last
year, the fun came out by the guy that went out to tap dance.
And I go, what do you do? He goes, listen, I have two
glasses for six months tap dancing.
He's good at it now. Yeah, Entourage, It was a big
breakthrough for the guy. Entourage was a big breakthrough
for half of them, but it was good diner.
Yeah, it was a good show. Now, you had a big problem with
with R Kelly a long time ago. R Kelly who?
You, you had a problem. He had a big fight with R Kelly.
Who's R Kelly? Sorry, David Haye.
You called him R Kelly. How did you call him?
How did you call him right now saying Brav, this guy's calling
you R Kelly. He had a fight at my show.
In it he came to my Apollo show and.
He had a fight. Well, some guy who kept I spoke
about this, where he went to court when the people kept on
hassling him and then he grabbed him.
Oh, that. Was your show.
That was my show. Fuck, I'm definitely what are
white guys? All Indian, I think.
Oh. My see this should probably you
Indians man, causing trouble wherever you go, Indians.
They like to touch, they like to touch.
And David? He probably didn't like to be
touched. Oh, so now I don't want to go to
a show because if I come I'm going to get into trouble.
You get touched a lot by a lot of men.
I'm not coming. A lot of men will touch you.
So it was just shocks. I remember you got arrested for
that. I don't know.
If you got arrested, would you get arrested?
Yeah, I Kelly is it. I don't call you and say, oh,
you don't like Kelly do any piss.
Because I've known David since he was a Calvin Klein model.
Yeah, when he used to hang around at Leicester Square
McDonald's, like in the early 2000s.
Wow, the bare galleys to deal with.
And I used to know him from those days, if kind of early
boxing before. Did you ever take any scrubs of
him? Of him?
No, I just said to say hello to him.
Goodbye. But even like you know, he's
saying all of the girls, you take any.
Oh, no, no, no. Why not?
No, no, apparently he teethed Andrew Tate's missus.
Did he? Andrew Tate had a girlfriend.
She left Andrew Tate for him. She must be disappointed right
now, the girl. Also, that's the origin story
from Andrew Tate or one of his, because he was just a normal guy
then and the reason he's become so toxic was because he teethed.
You know, the real godfather is David Haye.
It was teefing yell. And what's that?
What's Andrew Tate going to do to David Haye?
Maybe kickboxing his ass? I don't think you could take
him. You didn't mean so no did.
You see that last fight, Andrew Tate.
He's a top G. Come on man.
Why not? You could bust that guy up.
He did well. He hasn't boxed for years, did
well, he did well. He has the credit where credit
is he did well. Yeah, I mean for me to
criticize, but what do you think of his content?
I'm not into his content either, but he doesn't know how to
create a viral moment. Listen, people like it.
Some people don't like it. Also, just for the record, up on
various charges, he's up on various charges.
Is he? He could.
He could go down as well, yeah. Nothing.
Like Bill Cosby? Exactly.
You know, I remember when I was with Bill Cosby and I don't
remember just chatting to him. And then I just remember waking
up about two days later. Not still what happened?
Well, you also. Suddenly didn't feel right.
Oh my goodness. But nearly everyone, that one.
If you were at Bill Cosby's house and you woke up two days
later with a sore ass, what would you do?
I'll tell my mummy, I'll tell my mum.
So tell. Me.
Your dad. I'll tell my mum because my dad
dropped me there. Yeah, I dropped to his house.
Yeah, because he knew what's going.
On Yeah, you couldn't punch Bill Cosby because you just killed
him I. Didn't kill him exactly.
Well, that's funny now. The infamous glass bottle brawl,
Munich press conference, which I will, which led to actually
losing his license. David Haye lost his license,
culminating in a massive stadium grudge match at Upton Park.
Now when it comes to selling tickets, getting it doesn't get
bigger than he glassed me. Remember when he he glassed me?
And he glassed me. That was.
That went viral. It's still viral considering it
happened in 2012. David made a song about him.
Did he? Yeah, he glassed me.
He made that song with R Kelly. He.
Made glass me. The term glassed me and then you
said I'm going to shoot him. Now shoot him.
That's that is viral. When you said I'm going to
shoot, I swear to you I'm going to shoot David Haye.
And I was. And then one of my very good
friends, Ambrose Mendez, goes down.
That's a good fight, money fight.
Oh, it was a huge fight. And then we had to get licenses
and stuff like that, and then we made money.
David Haye, in terms of getting counselled when he did that gang
rape, that wasn't about you, was it?
That fight was the IT. Was Audley Harrison.
Audley Harrison fight. Yeah.
And what happened to Audley in that fight?
He got scared. I don't know all he was telling
us. So he told us and do this and do
that. I don't think he and then he
first friend he got knocked out. But he didn't throw anything.
First friend, he goes spark out and that was the end of all the
hours. He didn't.
Move his arms. That was it.
But maybe because he thought that David Haye was going to
sexually abuse him. Because they were.
They were on Sky News together. And he goes to what I'm going to
game. Rap you.
It's going to be like a A1 sided a year, something like that, he
said. I don't even know if we can
broadcast this. How?
How are you friends with David Haye?
There are a lot of boxes seem to come to my shows.
Yeah, but I'm just wondering on because when you say friends and
boxes comes your show totally different.
So David, I hang out with sometimes.
Yeah, yeah. So we've been clubbing together.
Would you like he's Haram? He's Haram, you know, he goes
out to these countries and he, without going into too much
detail, he's found a different way.
I've met his kids. We went to Travis Scott
together. We've been, he's come to
countless shows of mine. So we kind of just hang out
there really. And he's really into comedy.
But he didn't answer me, you know, I said.
You like his Haram? He's he's proper Haram.
I tell him not to be so Haram. He's supposed to come on the on
the podcast, but I tell him to stop being Haram.
He still gets big gel in it but I don't think he might not be
Haram. Because no, not anymore.
You allowed four wives. Too old now.
You allowed four wives, isn't it?
He's allowed four wives in Islam if if talking about Haram.
He's not Muslim. He's not Muslim.
Yeah, so if he was Muslim he would be halal.
Halal. It's funny though, I love to be
with my boy. Yeah, because who would have
thought that relation? Because then he represented you
for a while. Yeah, because I was something
after I became born again, something was missing in my
career, basically. And then I was like, oh, David,
he'll be good. Yeah, phone him up.
Because me, me at our hotel. I met him.
I said, can you manage me? He looked at me like I was
smoking crack. He's like, I'll let you know.
And then our next couple of days he called me because I manage
and I was there. I remember that I know the hotel
as well. He literally lives there.
But he don't know anymore. He left the country.
He left the country and then he used to have that.
We spare cards at the back, remember?
You know that that room was sick, you know?
So many parties there. I had parties.
Well, that's where that's the gym was behind it.
Yeah, good, good old gym. Good old days, Mike.
Good old days take me around. It was beautiful in there.
Did you take Farage there? Nah, that's before Farage came
and now. No, I didn't know he was in the
jungle I believe. You you still talk to Farage.
Farage. My boy, I can call.
You now are you? You're because you're a
Brexiteer. Yeah, yeah.
I'm not sure about that guy. I'm not sure about you.
I don't think he would like me. No, at least Frage, he likes
everybody. Is it?
Yeah, so. What do you think the perception
that people have about him? Those are the people who don't
know anything. But then like, you know, in
terms of your reform, yeah. Yeah.
But then you wouldn't have been allowed in the country in 2000
if they were in power to stay. That's the case then so.
What happens if somebody came in that today from Zimbabwe?
What do we do with them? To put them.
Is it? Yeah.
So you're here now? Go love me.
Who buy the rest of them? Fuck them.
What about if your brother comes, boy?
That motherfucker definitely then.
Then then then I respect your argument there.
That's that's you got to stand by your rules.
Do you know who might have to cut this out?
Yeah. Yeah, we're going to have to
come most of it. When people make money like
black athletes yourself, Indian people make money.
Yeah, they make millions. Where do they go and live?
Where do they live? Yeah, Dubai.
Well, not I forget Dubai before Dubai was built, Where they,
where they live? Where they where did the rich
people run and leave? Well, in England.
In England, they want to live where the white people live.
It's. Best country in the world, mate.
No, but there's a saying I'm doing.
You have to understand, it's not if you're rich, why don't you
live with your monks? You're Indian people.
I do, but I live on my own. You're on your own now.
You miss your life, brother, You know, So it's just a point of
like, there's too much going on in the country that we are
forgetting the way of living the right way.
Yeah, so. Yeah, because obviously we go
back to 2000. You said it was all white people
now. That's probably only the cities
though. If you go outside London, when I
go, like Devon, my sister lives there, it's all white people.
I feel at home there. Because.
It's all my own people. Because in Devon, I don't know
how far is Devon? You still live in Devon?
All the way down, all the way down South near the.
Coast, Yeah. Is it good there?
All white people? Why don't you just live there?
She moved there years ago. It's quiet.
Good for her. And the air is fresh.
Yeah, sort that did Bashar out here, all the car fumes and in
London. OK.
I mean overcrowded. I don't know my my car fumes.
I drive an electric car so I'm OK.
Oh, you drive a SMART? Guy, Yeah, I drive a Smart car,
yeah. Electric How do you get in and
out of that car? Very good.
A lot. Of Vaseline.
I put my house in and I swing my legs in and I put my care in and
I go. The high right reel winds in
2018, your knockout with Carlos Takam hard fought battle over
Kubrat Boulev. That was another great fight and
your massive 2024 victory over you.
I think you finished Joe Joyce off.
I don't know. He was the next prospect.
Yeah, he chose that fight. He chose the fight.
Yeah, we should have taken it. They wanted to take it before
and I was like, no. And then one day I woke up
saying I'm ready and I took it and then what?
An upset. Yeah, because.
They call it an upset you upset a lot of people.
Lost lots of people, lost money. You lost a lot of because you
could have got deployed that day.
Especially if I was in part I got deployed you.
Would have got deployed. No listen.
Because I remember when Joy Joyce, like back in 2012, they
were like, he's the next, you know, he's the next heavyweight.
Champion. Yeah, about They don't have what
it takes to get there. But what I like about Joy Joyce
is he's so eloquent and very intelligent, he could literally
go on to become a chess player. Listen, yeah, but boxing is
different. Yeah, but you, you have become
boxing royalty. That's bullshit man, I just
enjoy the game. You could become what Muhammad
Ali was to. You could become to Muhammad Ali
was to black people in America. You could be that, but to white
people over here. Get rid of all the immigrants
and then there will be all white people and you left.
I'm just thinking the right answer for you.
You could be that guy. You.
You are the Monday, Muhammad Ali.
So you want me to so we deport everybody and get the white
people to love me? Yeah, they already do.
They already do. But I'm I'm worried that.
Do you see the old arena was full of all white?
People. All white people.
Didn't see no brown people black.
Sometimes I forget that you're from Zimbabwe.
But how about your shows are full of white people?
Yeah, some, a lot of Indian people come.
I've got to get you down to a show, man.
I've got to get you down to show and, and show you what it's
like. Yeah.
Come to LA with me on Wednesday.
No, I'm going Canada, then after that Canarda.
Beautiful chicks in Ghana, is it?
Yeah. Begialdem Beardem.
So we've gone from Del Boy. Where did the nickname Del Boy
come from then? Given by by Dim Power and some
other report. I forgot his name when I was
there and I changed afterwards the war.
Yeah, what war is your Iron Mike Tyson Watchers Aura is one of
the best boxing names. Now.
What are you going to do? Some people say the rumour is
you've retired, but then we've broken it here.
Above, I've never the rematch class.
But I've never said I'm retiring.
They asked me. So what's the plans?
I'm going to go home and talk to my wife.
To your wife? Yeah, I've never said I'm
retiring. And what did your wife say?
So I've never seen that conversation.
Wherever they say I'm going to go home and talk to my wife, you
never see that. After that conversation, I got
it. I recorded it, so I put it out
on my Instagram. You put it out, I'll put it out.
What did she say? You can hear me on this, so
yeah, I'm. Going to have to edit this in
and out to the to the podcast. Dell, do you really want to do
this anymore? Yes.
Are you going to do it? Yes.
We've got three kids now. Why wasting time?
I don't want to see you get punched.
Mike is the hair kids. I've got 3 kids with you, Dell.
Well. I don't talk like that.
What? How does your wife talk?
I've never heard her speak. She don't speak, Derek.
Why you she don't speak? Derek, I don't want to box, no.
More just do what she's told. Don't box it, just leave it.
Just leave it alone. Stay at home, drive the kids to
school and pick them up. I will work from now on.
No, she don't need to work. Well you're you're taken care of
now. Look at the gums.
I bet you didn't even buy these. They were sponsors.
This is 8 years tracks and this is Skepta's Puma jacket.
Oh, Skepta's got his own range now, Yeah, Bombo clad man.
You're doing something more. Yeah, Debenhams jacket.
Man, there's nothing wrong with that, bro.
Yeah, and. No sponsors here.
There's nothing wrong with. That chapter Skepta.
So what's the plan then though? What?
What's going to be after boxing? Maybe me and you could start a
podcast together. What's the plan?
I don't know, be a dad. Yeah, that's the difficult thing
because a lot of fighters, like they don't know what to do after
it's. Not be a dad.
Beer dad. I'm not going to be a dad.
It's a difficult thing, obviously.
Thoughts go out to Ricky Hatton. You know, because.
You, it's difficult going from that's why I've got to keep
performing because those highs you get in that ring and you got
thousands of people watching you cheering and you're fighting and
you're boxing. That's a performance.
You're a performer. You can't go from that to doing
nothing. You got to keep performing.
We've got maybe we should write a show together, like Tyson went
out and spoke about his life. I interviewed you on stage.
Chris Eubank did it with Nigel Benn, remember?
Yeah, yeah, maybe some, but right now, no.
I'm focusing on trying this free man.
Nigel Benn was now now a born again Christian, but he was a
naughty man back in the day man. He lives in Australia now.
Australia, yeah, became found. Jesus turned his ways.
But back in those days, we can't go into too much detail, but bad
things happened. I don't know.
Yeah, No, I'm friends with son Connor Beth.
He's doing well. He's doing all right.
He likes eggs. They know a lot of stuff about
the eggs. I think we all like eggs.
Everyone likes eggs, but if you eat too many it can have an
adverse effect on your testosterone.
Don't know about now. Is it?
Yeah. Because my cholesterol's gone
up. Because I've I think I've been
eating too many eggs. Fuck cholesterol.
My cholesterol went up in my 39. I was fine when I turned $40
goes all your cholesterol is gone up.
Why does this motherfucker go up in your 40s but in your daddy's
you don't go up? That's what I'm wondering now at
my age is that why is my bad one gone up?
There's 2 levels in it, good one and a bad one, and the bad one's
gone up. Do you train?
You don't train. I mean, The thing is, Derek,
we've gone way over time now. You.
Know you, you were kind enough to give me even some of your
time, but we've got because it's been such a an eloquent and
informative conversation. Yeah.
There's nothing much the world, in fact knows about you, really.
You're an elusive character. Some people would say you're
even an actor putting on this character.
Deception. Your deception.
Laughs laughs about this. Sometimes I see you as a troll.
Deception. Yeah, you troll people.
That's what I. Like about you, which is why I
what? Do I throw?
Not just the way your character you, you, you, you make people.
I like doing this. You just mess with people.
It's. Fun man, you don't mean it.
It's banter, yeah. I like it.
You know deception. You know life is deception.
Life is all about deception. Yeah.
And if it came to it, let's obviously we would never fight
because I'm in a different weight division to you.
No, but I don't give a fuck street if I'll beat you up.
No, but street fight I know. But you know, from the streets I
know. You know I've known you for a
long time, right? And I would never with me in the
streets all the time. You know, when it comes to
street fights, I bite. You know everything, everything,
anything goes. Same here.
Like I'd bite your nose. Same here.
Ears. Same here they'll.
Be like. Same here.
There's nothing you can say to me on the street fight which is
going to scare me. Would you be intimidated by me
if it turned into a street fight?
Be honest. I won't judge you, No.
If you saw me, I'm. I'm telling you no, no.
Dare I no watch this? Volume is in the point.
Which is that now because you I'm wearing glasses now.
No. How do?
How does it feel? If you want.
Then you took your glasses off. Yeah, you don't scare me.
And I put them back on now. Now I don't look intimidating.
You're like you, Clark Kent and Superman.
Now you, you're thinking, now you can change your answer.
I'm not going to judge you if you change.
But don't scare me, you know? I don't scare you, no.
You're just saying that because the cameras here now pretend the
cameras aren't recording. OK, pretend if.
Me and you don't scare me. We were in Finchley.
You don't scare. Me and there's nobody around.
My crew is not there. Your crew is not there.
We have to go to war. You don't scare me.
Do. You want to put them back on or.
Me, you don't scare me. You need them back on because
you're reading something there I.
Can't see the words. If we put them back.
I was. I'm surprised because you've
been through, you've fought some of the hardest people in the
world. I'm surprised you're not scared
by me. I'm not scared of nobody.
The only person I'm scared of my my mother about and anybody else
I'm not scared of. You were even detained by German
police at one point. That was very scary.
If I dressed up as a German policeman with Leathers sweeps.
And all that. Are you going to shave this
though? I'm going to have the little
thing in the middle. Oh no, I wouldn't put the
Hitler. Mustache.
Then I'd be scared. Then I'd be scared.
Then I was scared. You know, I could talk to you
Derek for another 5 or 6 hours, but The thing is, we've gone
well over time here. You're good because I normally
say I want to go. Yeah, me too.
You know, The thing is, when I grew up, there was no such thing
as ADHD. You know when you can't.
Yeah, they just made that shit up.
Now everybody's like we can't. Concentrate.
Now we can't. So for me to do an interview is
even a mission for me. I'll start falling asleep.
So the fact that it flowed so well with you and you know, with
both from the streets, I had a lot of street fights growing up
and my street fights didn't go as well as was, which is why I'm
sat on this side and. You're sat on that side perfect.
I had proper fights back in Berntoak.
One guy literally didn't, didn't beat me up.
He just threw me across the road, picked me up and threw me
and then I then I had to learn how to run.
That's why I told my nephew, run the other side.
Yeah. Life is too short.
The best form of defence?
Run. It's run.
Just take off. If we can say I've any fight.
By the time they fucking realise you're gone, they're gonna win
Chase. Is it worth it?
It's not worth it for them. Has anyone tried to snatch your
phone in London on the electric bike?
No, I hope not Chase. I'm always on point on my phone.
Well, Mr. Chisora, an honour and a privilege to have you on the
Don't Ask Me That podcast what you have bought to the sport
field and the entertainment business throughout the years.
And boxing is unparalleled in the world of boxing.
The legend himself, Derek. The War Chazora.
Don't ask me that. Thank you.
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