1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,560 Coming up, do you have any tips now for Mountbatten Windsor? 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:10,200 I have been able to make a living doing what I enjoy. 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,200 You make pornos or you see a lot of actors and character 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,800 comedians, they get their inspirational from life itself. 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,280 You're a man of great experience with the opposite sex. 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,120 Most of the really filthy lines were studied were written by Bob 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:24,800 Mortimer. Dirty bastard. 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:30,720 He is. Paul Chowdhry's Don't Ask Me 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,480 that is brought to you by Misses Elswood Pickles, the finest 10 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:39,520 Pickles on the planet. Put some punch in your lunch 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,840 with Misses Elswood. Perfect in sandwiches, burgers 12 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,920 and salads. 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Some might know him as a former 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:59,080 car salesman or a closeted landowner. 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,760 He's an iconic comedy actor, entrepreneur. 17 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:09,000 He's known for one of the biggest comedy creations this 18 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,120 country has ever produced, The Fast Show. 19 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,280 He now writes books about a young James Bond. 20 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:22,160 Kings, Queens and Mountbatten's the legend himself. 21 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:27,320 Very rarely does this young man do interviews where he's here 22 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:32,120 today, Mr. Charlie Higson himself. 23 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,120 Well, thank you for that marvellous introduction. 24 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,880 Welcome to the Don't Ask Me That podcast. 25 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,400 Downhill from here. You know, I've been a fan of 26 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,760 yours for at least 50 years now and to actually have you on the 27 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,840 podcast is real honour and a privilege. 28 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,440 Well, it's very nice to be asked. 29 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,680 Thank you. Is there anything that I can't 30 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,240 ask? I just want to clear that up 31 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,680 from the beginning. There's I did say you were a 32 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,920 closeted. Landlord Well, that that that 33 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,720 was obviously acting. Yeah, I'm not actually a 34 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:03,640 closeted. Oh, really? 35 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,639 No, you're open. I'm I'm fluid. 36 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,080 I'm fluid. But yes, am IA landlord. 37 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,960 No, I'm not a landlord. I'm a land owner. 38 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:15,480 Oh, you're a landowner? Yeah. 39 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:18,720 Where's the a fluid landowner? Where Whereabouts is this land? 40 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:20,920 Well, it's a house. Oh. 41 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,360 That's are you the place you live in? 42 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,320 Yes, I just thought because don't take this wrong where 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:28,840 you're white. I thought you were in some of 44 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,080 the country. Well, yeah, I secretly own about 45 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:37,960 30% of the countryside. And what an incredible career 46 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,640 you you are having. I wouldn't say had, I'm saying 47 00:02:41,640 --> 00:02:44,920 having because obviously your career was still active. 48 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:46,920 Yeah. Well, if you can call it a 49 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:50,440 career, I mean it it. I never sort of set out and said 50 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,640 that's what I want to do. So, and things have largely 51 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:56,160 happened by accident and just meeting people and being in the 52 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,800 right place the right time. And I've done lots of different 53 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,360 things because I, I, I kind of, I, I like to do new things all 54 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:04,880 the time. I don't have to get stuck doing 55 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,400 just one thing. And maybe, you know, maybe if I 56 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,520 had stuck to just doing, say, the Vast show, maybe I would be 57 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,880 a major landowner. Yeah, it was a huge success, The 58 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,280 VAST show. That's correct. 59 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,400 It was, it was. I mean, it's interesting because 60 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,480 it actually it was, it was only on, it's only ever on BBC Two. 61 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:26,520 So you know, just by moving, particularly in those days from 62 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,400 BBC Two to BBC One, you sort of double your viewing figure. 63 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:31,960 In those days, I remember when it was on TV, we've only had two 64 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,920 channels it. Wasn't quite. 65 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,920 That long ago it was. We only had BBC One and BBC Two. 66 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,680 It was way before ITV, Channel 4, even Channel 5. 67 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,640 It was great times. If only that had been the case, 68 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,040 then more people would have watched us. 69 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,080 But you know, I mean, these days people, you know, particularly 70 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,280 young people, they'll watch anything anywhere And but, but 71 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,200 back then people did, you know, a lot of people would never have 72 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,040 what, you know, watched any other channels and say BBC One 73 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,800 and ITV. Nowadays people watch anything. 74 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,200 They even watch this sometimes. This is how bad things are, that 75 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,320 you could turn on your phone and watch me on your phone. 76 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,080 Nobody uses a phone to make a phone call. 77 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:11,480 Anymore I know, isn't that amazing? 78 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,320 But long before the FAR show, your first love was music, and 79 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:17,360 people don't know this about you. 80 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,079 You fronted a band called the Higsons. 81 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:21,399 I did. I did. 82 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:23,120 I mean, obviously some people know it about me. 83 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,840 We did have fans. The other Higsons know about it 84 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,120 and and this was, this was hardcore hip hop music, right? 85 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,800 Well, almost. It was the sort of white 86 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,880 equivalent. Folk music. 87 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,520 Sort of scratchy indie white funk. 88 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,160 And you've spoken about reinventing yourself actually as 89 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,320 a teenager and testing the punk nickname switch. 90 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:54,360 Yes. While heading to university. 91 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,520 I'd had a very ordinary middle class upbringing in in the Home 92 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,720 Counties. My dad was a classic commuter 93 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:08,400 and I wanted to make people think I was more exciting than I 94 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,920 really was, and I knew nobody was ever going to give me a 95 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,600 nickname, so I made one up. Yeah, it's a great nickname 96 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,360 because you, you reinvented yourself as a teenager. 97 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,720 Have you ever thought of reinventing yourself as a 98 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,520 teenager now? Well, you can identify as a 99 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,280 teenager. Yes, well, you can identify as 100 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:29,360 anything these days. Can't. 101 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:30,920 You. Well, that's very offensive. 102 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,080 We've gone very hard right very quickly. 103 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,160 Well, I all right. Well, well, would I? 104 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,440 I wouldn't. You can identify as a banana if 105 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,120 you want to identify. Yeah, no, I'd, I'm, I'm, I'd, 106 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,760 I'd, I'd be terrible at trying to be a teenager. 107 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,560 I, I, I apologise. I did. 108 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,000 Actually. I'd like to retract the earlier 109 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,720 statement. I did call you Mr. Charlie 110 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,080 Hickson without asking me what your pronouns were. 111 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,280 And I I could have offended you that Charlie. 112 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:58,560 Yeah, well, I'd I'd I let it slide. 113 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,360 And you are a. I'll go with Sir. 114 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,320 You are, Sir. No, I'm going to identify. 115 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:11,720 Oh, you're going to identify like The Dark Knight? 116 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:18,080 Oh yeah, The Light Knight Rises. Your wife calls you Switch. 117 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,640 When she's angry, yeah, yeah, she sort of reverts to, to, to, 118 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:26,680 to how she first knew me. She knew you. 119 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,160 Because, you know, for years people called me I've, I've gone 120 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,360 by three names in my life which are well, I was Murray when I 121 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,520 was a boy. My father was an accountant and 122 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,680 he had four sons. And he named us in alphabetical 123 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:45,480 order, ABC and D, and I was C So he called me Charlie to fit in 124 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,240 with his scheme, but he obviously didn't like the name. 125 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,400 So he called me Murray, right, Even though my official name was 126 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,440 Charlie. And then I, I, I reinvented 127 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,720 myself. I, I identified as Switch. 128 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,840 And then it was actually the the guys in the band started calling 129 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:01,320 me Charlie because they thought it was funny. 130 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:04,880 You should have released some mints. 131 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,200 I'm not sure Charlie Mints or Switch Mints would have would 132 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,600 have done very well. Murray Mints. 133 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,520 Nah, nobody would call mints that. 134 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,280 No. I mean it's a bit update now, 135 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,720 isn't it? You've got to be at least 65 136 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,320 years old to understand that reference point. 137 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,760 Well, I am at least 65 years. Old. 138 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,120 We're not far off for ages. Charlie, you're 67. 139 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,280 I'm 51. You're never going to catch up. 140 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,640 I will. Eventually if I drop dead. 141 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,240 I will eventually catch up with you if I stay alive. 142 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:44,040 Yeah, you don't know from, but you've seemed to work out the 143 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,440 secret to happiness. You come across as a very happy. 144 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:54,200 Man, I'm reasonably content because I have been able to make 145 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,120 a living doing what I enjoy. Which? 146 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,600 You make pornos or you make porn. 147 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:08,280 Well, not anymore. They're writing and and you 148 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,440 know, it's, it's harder and harder to make a living and 149 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,760 writing, but, you know, I, I make things up for them. 150 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,480 Yeah, I could just sit down and make shit up. 151 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,720 It's yeah. It's fantastic and people have 152 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,960 paid me for that, so you know, what's to what's to complain 153 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,280 about? Yeah, but nowadays if you go 154 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,720 online, everyone makes shit up. Yes. 155 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,680 Nothing's real. Yes, at least I get paid for. 156 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,920 It yeah, you get paid for it rather than conspiracy. 157 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,960 Although I suppose if I if I if I went for a blue tick on X. 158 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,919 You can buy one now. Yes, you just buy them, but then 159 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:44,440 what I what I don't know is how many, how many is it impressions 160 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,160 you get when people look at your stuff? 161 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,080 Do you need to get to actually make any of that money back? 162 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,240 Yeah. To buy the tick, yeah. 163 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,760 You're going to buy the tick and then if you got the tick, I 164 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,920 think you can. You can then monetise if you're 165 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,920 enough people. Right on X. 166 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,560 Yeah, on X watch enough of your your your posts. 167 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:07,960 Yeah, I don't really get a good, good feedback from X anymore 168 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,080 since since it's been taken over by Elon Musk. 169 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,120 Yes, it's I. I have managed somehow. 170 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,760 I've got a fairly quiet little corner that I rarely get 171 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,240 bothered by. The world of nut cases out 172 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,200 there. Well, there's a safe haven for 173 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:30,360 them now. You see there, there's a 174 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:35,000 community that you can go to. Back in the day, you know, they 175 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,640 would just go and shoot John Lennon in the street. 176 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,640 But now there's maybe we're, we, you know, now you don't get 177 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,200 serial killers anymore. It's very rare to be a serial 178 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,240 killer because you're going to get caught within the first 179 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,120 killing, likely because of the CCTV. 180 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,640 So technology gets harder. These days everything is much 181 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:58,120 harder and sprout. You know, like your views and 182 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:05,240 hard right extreme psychopathy can have a platform and get lots 183 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,600 of followers from the back of it. 184 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,960 And maybe that'll keep them happy and they won't feel 185 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,760 they've got to go out. And well, they still do though, 186 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:13,560 don't they? They still. 187 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:18,560 They still, but you come from a generation where the world's a 188 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:21,200 very different and. I think, you know, was the world 189 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,800 very different or have we just found out what people really 190 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,840 think and feel? I'm sure you know, you could 191 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,080 visit many pubs back in the day and and you could eavesdrop on 192 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:37,320 those insane conversations, ill informed, bigoted, insane. 193 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,520 But we didn't know. So we all, you know, we had our 194 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,800 nice friends who we talked to. They call them the good old 195 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,000 days. The good old days, yeah. 196 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,080 I mean there, there was a lot about the good old days that was 197 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,360 that was quite shit though. Yeah, it wasn't good for women, 198 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,240 didn't have many rights. Which depends how far back you 199 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,560 go. When I was a kid. 200 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,120 What? Yeah. 201 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,120 International Women's Day you have now. 202 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,240 Well, let's fixed it then. Well, it celebrates. 203 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:13,080 It celebrates when they first came to this country, when women 204 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:18,200 were first arrived. What did what do you think of of 205 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,960 International Women's Day? Do you think we should? 206 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,600 We should. It's a marvellous thing that for 207 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,680 a day everyone can be a woman. I think that's. 208 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,440 Yeah, I'm a big fan of women. If you're a woman too. 209 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,760 Yeah, you. I like men too. 210 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,640 Yeah, well, whatever you fancy these days you can. 211 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,280 You can like anything you want. Yeah, these days. 212 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:42,000 But before television became a full time reality for you, you 213 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,720 did whatever you needed to do to pay the rent from what I 214 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,960 understand, including decorating work. 215 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,720 Yes, I was a very good decorator. 216 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,200 I I heard while trying to make a living from music and writing, 217 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,800 your part time occupation was decorating and I don't know if 218 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:01,240 this is true but you once decorated the Dalston House 219 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,600 shared by Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie Dalston Dalston House. 220 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,880 Yeah, we did. Stephen and Hugh did that 221 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,320 classic thing that students used to do. 222 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,920 I presume they still do it today, but probably can't afford 223 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,120 it necessarily. But four of them clubbed 224 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,600 together and bought a, bought a property and they needed it 225 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,320 doing up. And Harry Enfield was working 226 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,520 with them at the time, knew them. 227 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,720 Paul and I were big friends at Harry's and he said, oh, he said 228 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,640 to Stephen, are you, oh, my mates Charlie and Paul, they 229 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,160 can, they can do your place up. So we did. 230 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:37,600 Yeah. We, we decorated their house in 231 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,720 Dalston. And then by the time they sold 232 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,920 it, Paul and I, our career had taken off. 233 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,360 So we bought it off them. Yeah, I heard you and Paul ended 234 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,160 up buying the very same house. Yes. 235 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,840 Well, we knew it was a nice house and very well decorated. 236 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:56,520 That yeah, you were you tempted to steal anything while 237 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,720 decorating Stephen Fry's house is a question one. 238 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,360 Of the questions, No, I mean, he did have one strange item. 239 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,800 He, he had a, it was a house that was divided up and he had 240 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,800 the sort of ground floor and he, he kept the front curtains shut 241 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,600 24 hours a day, very heavy sort of dark curtains. 242 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:22,400 And he had a big, as I remember it, he had a big piano in there, 243 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,000 not that he plays a piano. And on the piano was a stuffed 244 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,400 cat of a, it was a real cat stuffed. 245 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,720 And if I, if I, if I was going to nick anything I'd have, I 246 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,200 would have nicked the cat. But so you've actually been in 247 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,080 Stephen Fry's closet. I have. 248 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,320 And did you come out of it or? Yeah, and it and and left it 249 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:43,960 better decorated than when I went. 250 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,960 In You came out of Stephen Fry's Closet, I. 251 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,320 Did. Which he didn't do for many 252 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,080 years. I Yeah. 253 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,320 When did he? I know. 254 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,400 I think he came out fairly soon. Well I remember he was doing the 255 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,280 play at the West End in the 80s or 90s and and then disappeared. 256 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,520 The fame itself is a, is a is a weird. 257 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,120 It's, it's just, but now we live in a climate where every 258 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,440 everyone is famous. Everyone's got a podcast now, 259 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,400 you see. I know two people that don't. 260 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:15,480 Really. Yeah. 261 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:22,080 Your wife? Yeah, my wife and one of my 262 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,760 boys. And they don't have a podcast. 263 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,600 No, I've been trying to get them to do one. 264 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,480 Yeah, but yeah, I mean the fame thing is is a weird. 265 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,120 It's a strange thing, isn't? It and, and, and it's trying to 266 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,040 we, we did fast show tour recently and we did, we did, I 267 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,160 think we did about 10 days at the London Palladium nights. 268 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,280 And you know you'd get up and have an ordinary day and you're 269 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,240 doing what you ordinary do with your wife, who doesn't treat you 270 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,200 any differently to anyone else, with my, with the shops, and you 271 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,120 come back. Sorry, did you say with my wife? 272 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,800 Yeah, yeah, with your wife. And then, you know, I'd get on 273 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,160 the Tube and I'd go down and I'd get to the London Palladium and 274 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,480 I'd have walked down Double X St. and there'd be huge sort of 275 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,040 illuminated posters out the front, the vast show and 276 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,440 pictures of me. And I could walk past the queue 277 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,600 and none of them would recognise me and go in the stage door. 278 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,080 And then you're on stage and you're going hey. 279 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,280 And they're all going wow, hey, amazing. 280 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,440 And then you come out and you come back out and you go on the 281 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,640 tube and you go home again. I mean, you, you must get it. 282 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,400 You know, you do your huge gigs at Wembley or something where? 283 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,600 And then you, you come off and you're just just you. 284 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,360 Just normal again. Yeah, Well, I sold out and I did 285 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,080 the O2 last year and I was going to take the tube there, but the 286 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,840 problem is it's the Jubilee line and it goes straight there. 287 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,080 There are aren't many other lines, so everyone's going to be 288 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,640 on that. Everybody funnels in yeah, 289 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,960 those, those events. So when you hit the some venues, 290 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,400 you can get away with it, but the Palladium, I wouldn't even 291 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,000 risk that because that's a big, that's what, 2002 1/2 thousand? 292 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:58,680 Yeah. No, that's all right. 293 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,080 Yeah, that's a big venue to to to, to hit public transport. 294 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,880 Because I did. I'm not not a single person. 295 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,400 Once I'd gone past the stage door, there'd occasionally be 296 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,600 coloured people there. No 1C, No one you know it's 297 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,080 London. No one who's you knows who you 298 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,800 are. Everyone's famous in London, 299 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:15,720 aren't they? You can't. 300 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,400 You can't walk the streets. There's a great, there's a great 301 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,720 quote actually about how, how to deal with with fame. 302 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,400 Apparently Laurence Olivier was talking to Sir Ralph, Sir Ralph 303 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,480 Richardson, right? And he said, Ralph, you're going 304 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,360 out and about and you, you, you go on the tube and things and 305 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,720 you live a fairly ordinary. I mean, how do you deal with, 306 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,560 with, with people recognising you? 307 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,720 He said, oh, I, I, I just, I just wear a hat and it's fine. 308 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,520 And Laurence Olivier said no, no, that's no use. 309 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,120 I tried that. Nobody recognised me. 310 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,040 So I think there are some people who want it. 311 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,160 But you come. You come from the golden era, 312 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,000 the 60, the swinging 60s. Yeah, but I was only, I was, you 313 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,920 know, I was 12 when the 60s finished, so I didn't do a lot 314 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,160 of. Swinging, but in those days a 315 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,880 lot of 12 year olds were having kids by then. 316 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:12,599 I I look at documentary footage of the 60s and I think, I cannot 317 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:14,319 believe I was actually alive at that time. 318 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,319 It seems like a million years ago in another world. 319 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:21,560 It was very different 90s. I was born in the 70s, which 320 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,079 wasn't as good as the 60s. 70s was pretty grim. 321 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,400 Is everybody these days, you know, sort of talking, talking 322 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,080 England down and saying, oh, things are so much better. 323 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,400 And they'll show sort of footage from the 70s of some people 324 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,400 smiling and saying, look how much better it was. 325 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,320 But the 70s was grim. There just weren't as many 326 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,720 ethnics around, which is why. I suppose that's partly what 327 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,200 they're. I think I think that's. 328 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,600 Look at all these people smiling and. 329 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,520 And yeah, yeah, look, they're all white. 330 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,360 What on earth has happened since then? 331 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:54,880 Yeah, people like you, you've ruined it for us. 332 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,440 You know, people like I'm white, I identify as a white man, so I 333 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,280 preferred it when it was just us. 334 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,920 In those days, yes, Yes. Although you could identify as 335 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,040 an ethnic these days, it depends what you. 336 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,120 Yeah, it was a very different time. 337 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,360 And I was born in London and now they want me to go back to where 338 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:18,200 I come from, which I find quite fascinating. 339 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:20,880 Are you? Well, maybe you Are you in a 340 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,200 different borough now? No, still northwest London can't 341 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,680 even move boroughs. Isn't that happy? 342 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,040 No, I don't, only the land except my house. 343 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,720 But you are. The characters obviously are 344 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:43,760 iconic now from the Far show. Swiss Tony is your famously 345 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:50,280 Swami and smarmy car salesman who explains everything through 346 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,680 sexual innuendos. Yeah, no. 347 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,160 Is it an innuendo or just reference? 348 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,320 Reference sexual references. Yeah, no, I suppose it is. 349 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:06,520 It is a form of innuendo. Would you say no? 350 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,600 A lot of people say to you, you can't get away with that in the 351 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,200 current climate of comedy, which I would disagree. 352 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,800 With I, I, I hate this idea that nowadays we can't do comedy 353 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:21,480 that's funny or something. It's like, you know, it's like, 354 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,440 as I said before, we were doing a fast show too. 355 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,240 And occasionally, you know, he'd be speaking to the fans 356 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,960 afterwards and they say, oh, it's great. 357 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,680 You know, it's so nostalgic. Gosh, you, you know, you 358 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,560 couldn't do that these days. You think, well, what do you 359 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,880 think we were just doing for the last 2 1/2 hours? 360 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,440 You can do it live with. 3000 people and I say, well, it it's, 361 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:47,280 it's permanently on UKTV on the and it's on iPlayer. 362 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,280 So I mean, what in what way can we not do this these days? 363 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,080 People have this idea that somehow comedy is you're not 364 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,280 allowed to do comedy anymore. And then I say to him, have have 365 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,600 you ever watched a Jimmy Carr special on Netflix? 366 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,880 I have never seen. Well, it's it's quite eye 367 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,280 opening. I actually started with Jimmy 368 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,400 Carr. I started my career. 369 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,920 Hello Jimmy Carr throwing Yes, it is wrong in some people's 370 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,000 eyes. No matter how much you give a 371 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,680 homeless person for a cup of tea, you never get that cup of 372 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,640 tea. That's can I just say that's a 373 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,840 terrible impression. I'm sure he'll love that 374 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:37,080 impression, but I think stand up comedy now has become, you know, 375 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:44,080 it's the in No Offence Your Day, mainstream comedy was different 376 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,280 to alternative comedy and you were considered an alternative 377 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,880 comic and mainstream comedians with people like Bernard Manning 378 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,240 or the mainstream circuit who would share jokes. 379 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:59,160 Now the mainstream circuit is people like Jimmy Carr or comics 380 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:04,360 of that ilk, and the alternative scene is surreal comedy, but 381 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:07,800 it's all merged into one now. Where do you position yourself? 382 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,600 I position myself in the high echelons of life stand. 383 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,880 Up. But yeah, I mean, people forget, 384 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,960 you know, as you were talking about the 80s, we went through 385 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,000 it all before, you know, then it wasn't called woke, it was 386 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,720 called political correctness. And did you do stand up at any 387 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:27,880 point? No, I never did. 388 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:35,880 I I never had the the that had enough of a damaged personality. 389 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:37,920 That's good. I I would. 390 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,840 I would. You know, there were people 391 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,120 just, I, I have to be out there. I want to be on stage. 392 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,800 I, I want to make people laugh and I, I, I have the courage to 393 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,480 do that. I, I, you know, I like writing 394 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:52,880 and I like doing character stuff. 395 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,200 I could have maybe hidden behind a character on stage. 396 00:21:56,360 --> 00:22:01,680 Yeah, I mean, they're probably now they say a lot of comedians 397 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,320 may well have ADHD or some form. Certainly a lot of them that I 398 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,840 know do. I'm sure within a few years 399 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:14,160 we'll come to discover that comedians have some neurological 400 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,880 disorder. And the problem is, you see, 401 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,200 they'll they'll, they'll, they'll get medication when 402 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,760 they're young and they'll never be funny. 403 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,640 Well, who is funny anymore? Well, Johnny Depp saw your stuff 404 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,800 in America and came over. He was a big fan. 405 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,240 He was always a bit of an Anglophile, and he used to hang 406 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,040 out with a lot of English musicians, and the first show 407 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,400 was always popular with musicians. 408 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:39,280 It was a sort of easy thing to watch on a tour bus, and he hung 409 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,640 out with the record producer. Nelly. 410 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,560 Nelly something. Nelly Furtado. 411 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,960 It wasn't Nelly Furtado, it was the other Nelly. 412 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,720 Big Nelly. Oh, Nelly. 413 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,920 With the with that patch that crossed his eye that he did was 414 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,920 the song Lily did the famous Nelly track. 415 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,680 It's cutting out in here, so take off all your clothes. 416 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,120 It could be a real thing, I don't know. 417 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,200 But anyway, he spent like a week with him in Spain or something, 418 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,000 and they watched the fire show over and over and he he, he 419 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,920 became slightly obsessed with Paul Whitehouse. 420 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,440 Yeah. I never hung out. 421 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:18,720 I almost met Johnny Depp because I went to a Doug Stanhope show. 422 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,560 Is this an anecdote? I almost met Johnny Depp. 423 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,840 I almost met Johnny Depp. You worked with him. 424 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:29,240 This is when he was with the wife he went to court with 425 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:34,800 because Doug Stanhope was a big, he was a good friend of his. 426 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,880 So he used to go around the world with Doug. 427 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,880 Stand up is a great comic. Yeah, Yeah, on my podcast. 428 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,120 And and then he said, oh, hang out. 429 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:44,520 I was hanging out with him after the show at Brookston years ago 430 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,760 and he said to hang out, We're going to through my friends are 431 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:47,920 coming down. I said I have a bit knack and 432 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,760 I'm going home, mate. Open the paper the next day. 433 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,800 Johnny Depp's there hanging out with him. 434 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,760 I could have got the scoop on what what happened with that 435 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,680 marriage. He does like a drink though. 436 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,120 I couldn't possibly say. He couldn't comment on that, 437 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:09,280 obviously, but through these sexual innuendos, as you put it, 438 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,440 where see a lot of actors and character comedians, they get 439 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,720 their inspirational from life itself. 440 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:21,440 Yes, you're a man of great experience with the opposite sex 441 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,080 if these are the. Well, to tell you the truth, 442 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,680 most of the really filthy lines in Swiss study were written by 443 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,920 Bob Mortimer. Dirty bastard. 444 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,000 He is he is completely you know, people think of him as all 445 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,880 cuddly old Uncle Bob national treasure. 446 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,640 He's he's he's got a dirty. Really. 447 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,160 Oh yes, so he was a real womanizer back in the day. 448 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,960 Not necessarily, he just had dirty thoughts. 449 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,560 There's a difference. Now you've got to make that very 450 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,520 clear. Yes, having thoughts, but acting 451 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,600 on those thoughts like Louis CK, who would whip his Dick out and 452 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,560 start, you know, but he did apparently ask for permission 453 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,080 before he you know, and they would they would laugh and 454 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,000 thinking this is this is horrendous. 455 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,520 But then he'd get his Dick out. You know we live in a climate 456 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,200 now where you can't just whip your Dick out. 457 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,520 Yeah, I know if this was the 70s. 458 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,520 If this in the good old. Days, no problem. 459 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,040 Get your Dick out, yeah? You're encouraged to. 460 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,520 In Sainsbury's. Put it on the counter. 461 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,640 Yeah, well, there there was an unexpected item in the bagging 462 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,360 area at that point, the classic Swiss Tony line. 463 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,320 Go on. Making a cup of coffee is like 464 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,040 making love to a beautiful woman. 465 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,880 It's got to be hot. Have you ever used that in real 466 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,960 life? Well, no, there, there's a great 467 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,520 thing about being able to do characters is you can do and say 468 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,520 all the things that you you, you wouldn't do in real life. 469 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:52,480 That's what Nigel Farage does. Yeah, I think a lot of a lot of 470 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,680 a lot of prominent people have created a public persona for 471 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,280 themselves. Whether he does Swiss Tony 472 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,240 jokes, I don't know. No, I mean it with his extreme 473 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,040 racism. Right. 474 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,400 I'm not comparing you to Nigel Farage. 475 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,520 I. Think you just did? 476 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,040 I hope you're enjoying the podcast so far. 477 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:15,520 Just a reminder, this show is brought to you by Mrs. Elswood 478 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,640 Pickles. Now bringing punch to your 479 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:24,200 podcast, Mrs. Elswood Pickles a packed for freshness crunch. 480 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,480 Back to the show. What about? 481 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,480 What about the the royal family and and? 482 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,800 Well, you see, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a bit pissed off with 483 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,720 the royal family. So last year I published a, a, a 484 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,720 history book, a history of the monarchy called Willy, Willy 485 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,240 Harry Stee. It tells the story of this 486 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,440 extraordinary dysfunctional family that you can follow from 487 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,600 one generation to the next, right from William the Conqueror 488 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:53,360 up to the present day. And they're a bunch of they're 489 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,440 all completely fucked up from start to finish. 490 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,600 No offence if you're a member of the royal family watching this. 491 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,160 Yes. And and then I sort of finished 492 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,840 the book by saying, well, you know, there are problems with 493 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,480 the royal family and everyone's saying, oh, Andrew's not 494 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,520 behaving very well. That will, you know, you know, 495 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,000 this is it's never been like this before this bad enough to 496 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,520 say, well, it's been far, far worse. 497 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,440 We cut the head off one of the monarchs a long time. 498 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,360 And I said, you know, they've got some problems, but they're 499 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,240 as nothing compared to what happened before. 500 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,880 But the book came out before all the recent you know, the stuff 501 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,080 that you know. He's now not even a member of 502 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,840 their whole family anymore. It's a mount. 503 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,800 It's a Mountbatten and and there's no mention of that in 504 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,000 the book. You know, because history 505 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,480 doesn't stop history. Every day there's more history. 506 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,120 It repeats itself. But the interesting thing is 507 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:53,360 people do say, you know, is this, does this mean the end of 508 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:56,040 the monarchy? And you have to think, not 509 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,800 really, no. The only reason people are 510 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,560 absolutely obsessed with Andrew and it and it fills up all the 511 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,640 all our time and space is because he's part of the 512 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,440 monarchy. Well, he's not. 513 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,840 You know, if he was just some businessman, no one would be 514 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,720 bothered. But there is. 515 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,360 So there still is a absolute obsession with this weird soap 516 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:25,240 opera of the monarchy. And also the fact that he was on 517 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:30,320 this Epstein island, allegedly, obviously, I have to say 518 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,880 allegedly. I don't are there? 519 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,200 Are there records of him actually being on the island? 520 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,000 No, he wasn't on the island, he were just friends with. 521 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,560 But certainly, yeah. And obviously there's 522 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,280 photographic evidence of him with them. 523 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,320 Were photoshopped. They were. 524 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,880 They were photoshopped. He can't deny that he was a 525 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,200 friend of of Epstein. That was Photoshop. 526 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,520 He wasn't there. They put the they. 527 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,000 They can't. I don't know what defence he's 528 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,600 going to come up with now, but. They were they. 529 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,480 Emily Maitlis interviewed him from Newsnight and he said there 530 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,600 were Photoshopped. I know. 531 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,720 I mean, I have an extraordinary interview that was. 532 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,200 His daughter asked him to do the interview, said this will get 533 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,080 you out of hot water. Just do an interview with Emily 534 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,920 Maitlis. I'm not, I'm not sure they're 535 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,880 the they're the most, I'm not sure they're the brightest 536 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,520 branch of the Rolf. Charles, by all accounts, is 537 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,800 very, very bright. Yeah, I've I've heard an 538 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,920 architect. He's interested in a lot of 539 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,920 things and you know, it's one of the reasons that he struggled in 540 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,720 his marriage with Diano is that she, she was a lovely person, 541 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,640 but no intellectual. But she, you know, she married 542 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,040 very young and married into royalty and I. 543 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,760 Know, and it was a it, you know, it was it was a, it was a sort 544 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,520 of marriage process that echoed so many others down the years of 545 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,080 like, oh, you should marry this person for this reason. 546 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,480 Yeah, but at the time he wanted to be her Tampax. 547 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,920 Remember that one? Well, actually what he was 548 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,000 saying was that he didn't want to be a Tampax. 549 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,560 I thought he said he did want to be a Tampax. 550 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,640 No, he said. I would like to come back as 551 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,200 close. I'd be reincarnated as close to 552 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,560 you as possible. Then he said, knowing my luck, 553 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,320 I'd come back as your Tampax. So he wasn't saying I would like 554 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,480 to be. He was sort of saying the 555 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,000 opposite. A strange analogies you to make 556 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,360 though. We, you know, if any of our 557 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,000 personal conversations that we'd had with people that we were 558 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,840 sexually involved over the years were recorded and written down 559 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,360 verbatim. All of mine have been. 560 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,000 They would. They would be startling and 561 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,040 weird and shocking and you go, what the fuck? 562 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,560 But that's because we're human and we have these conversations 563 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,840 when we're not expecting it to be recorded. 564 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,400 Yeah. Do you think the public have 565 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,320 have almost fallen in? What do they think of of 566 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,040 Camilla? They used to call her horse face 567 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,480 back in the day. I know people were very unkind 568 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,680 about her. I, I, I, I know her a bit 569 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,960 because she's very involved in literacy and trying to do 570 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:02,080 something about literacy and in literacy charities that I'm 571 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,240 involved with. And I also do fact. 572 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,520 In fact, I saw her yesterday. Did. 573 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:09,400 You get her on there. Could. 574 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,240 Could we? She might come on, she's, she's 575 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,240 really, you know, she's a very friendly, down to earth person. 576 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,760 But I, I, I do a short story writing competition. 577 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,760 I, I'm one of the judges on that called 500 words that she is the 578 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,440 patron of. And we had the final at Windsor 579 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,360 Castle with, with a load of kids who'd written stories and it was 580 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,640 great. It's a great thing to do. 581 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,240 And, you know, I, I think she is a, she is generally a good 582 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,640 person. And you've been to the palace. 583 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,360 I've been to Buckingham Palace a few times, yes. 584 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,400 Any good? I wouldn't want to live there. 585 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,400 What? Windsor cars is much nicer. 586 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,880 It's just these big soulless rooms. 587 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,240 Well, you get parking free in London. 588 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:55,000 My car. You've been accused of creating 589 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,280 a woke bond. I, I wrote a series of young 590 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,760 Bond books and then for the coronation of King Charles, the 591 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,640 Ian Fleming Estate got in touch with me and they said they've 592 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,840 got an idea for a book, a charity book to coincide with a 593 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,360 coronation called On His Majesty's Secret Service. 594 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,120 Could I come up with something, a short story or something? 595 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,440 And I actually wrote in the end, a novella. 596 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,520 I had to create a, a Bond. Classically, it's 35 years old. 597 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,120 Fleming tried to keep him 35 years old across 12 years of 598 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:34,000 writing books. That's his that's how old he 599 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,320 should be. And, and I and I and I thought, 600 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,080 you know, if I'm writing about a contemporary James Bond, I've 601 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,520 got to write about a guy who's 35 years old today. 602 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,600 And he's kind of very different views and world views to someone 603 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,640 who went through the Second World War, which prejudice 604 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,440 prejudiced his ideas about foreigners and, and, and and he 605 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,560 had a sort of certain views on the British Empire and all of 606 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,400 that kind of stuff. So I tried to write a bond who, 607 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,280 who had all the attributes of a classic giants bond, but wasn't 608 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,480 wasn't as rapey. I think the word is that is used 609 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,280 these days. Some people got really upset 610 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,080 with was was my choice of villains. 611 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:26,680 I the villain is sort of slightly inspired by Farage and 612 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:32,000 Rupert Low and all those times it is it is a a populist leader 613 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,440 who as we have touched on before, he's not a man of the 614 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,600 people on any rings, but he's manipulating people for their 615 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,160 own ends and pretending to be fighting for the ordinary 616 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,200 people. And it was Americans really 617 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:51,680 mainly got very cross about this and saying, hell, you know, if 618 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,840 James Bond these days, he'd be fighting, you know, Muslims and, 619 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,880 and, you know, left wing communists and, you know, these 620 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,160 aren't the enemy. And I tried to rationalize with 621 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,360 them and, and, and discard. I think there's no point. 622 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,800 So I took to basically, if people posted this stuff online, 623 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,480 I would simply post back a clip of the the famous Michelin web 624 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,760 sketch where they're S S officers and they they're going, 625 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:24,440 are we the enemy? People don't like to think, oh, 626 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,520 wait a minute, are are we being portrayed as the bad guys? 627 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,120 We're the good guys. Nobody really has ever thought 628 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,520 of themselves as the bad guys. Surely everybody thinks I'm 629 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,880 doing the right thing. I might have to do some quite 630 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,880 extreme things to get my way across. 631 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,920 But really in the end, what I believe in is right. 632 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,000 Nobody wants to think they're they're they're the baddie. 633 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,520 So, yeah, and, and the spectator didn't like it. 634 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,040 The spectator thought it was terribly woke. 635 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,280 You know now, now they want Bond to be a woman. 636 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,360 They who are they? Sorry, they them. 637 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,240 Who are they them? They, you know, there's been 638 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:04,240 debates out. There have been debates, but 639 00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:07,560 nobody, nobody who who who makes the films have ever seriously 640 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:08,840 suggested that they would make Bond. 641 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,400 Or a or a bond of of a different nationality. 642 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,000 That that, well, a different nationality would be tricky 643 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,480 because he has he, he has to be British, but he could be, he 644 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,520 could be black, he could be brown. 645 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,240 That's not a problem. You've written a book called 646 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:29,720 Willy, Willy, Harry Stee. Yes. 647 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,440 It's a short history of our kings and Queens. 648 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,800 So I've been asked to ask you, do you have any tips now for 649 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,720 Mountbatten Windsor? What should he do in this 650 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:47,320 situation? Have you met him by the? 651 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,800 Way No, I've not I've not people who have met him say he's not 652 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:59,560 the the brightest button in the tin and. 653 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,600 See nowadays we live in a world now was if in England, if you 654 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,880 know someone that knows someone that knows someone that met 655 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,920 someone that met Epstein, you're cancelled. 656 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,680 But in America, you could be a a best friend of his, and you're 657 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,400 the president of the United States. 658 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,920 It's an extraordinary thing, isn't it? 659 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,160 Out of all the accusations about Epstein and everything people 660 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:31,840 saying about him and only two people apart from chilling? 661 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,840 And me and you. Well, we'll go into that come on 662 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:42,280 my podcast and talk about that. Only two people have have a 663 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,760 fallen and being accused of anything and and of being 664 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,920 interviewed by the police. My previous guest was actually, 665 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,680 she met Jeffrey Epstein. Really. 666 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,160 So my previous guest on the podcast, Michelle de Swartz, was 667 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,440 a model at the time in a line up and Epstein came into the room. 668 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,280 A whole bunch of models said, yes, take that, take that one, 669 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,120 take that one. And he didn't pick her because 670 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,280 she's a mixed race black and Jewish and he was repulsed by 671 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,120 black women. So racism saved her life. 672 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,200 It's her launch line. I don't know what to say about 673 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,680 that. My question then would be what's 674 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,120 your views on black women? So what? 675 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,560 What advice? You know, the fact that no 676 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,160 Americans have been called, called up. 677 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:34,600 No, it's, it's, it's ex Prince Andrew and and Peter Mandelson. 678 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,480 It's a, it's a, it's an extraordinary thing. 679 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,160 If it is so toxic and so awful and so ghastly, is the worst 680 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,960 punishment that might be cancelled. 681 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,400 Might be cancelled. Well, what are the He was a 682 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,920 billionaire, so he was if you had an association with Epstein 683 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,000 may have been for business purposes. 684 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,840 Well there was that. Was she an ex model who said if 685 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,760 you're not in the Epstein files you're a loser? 686 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,240 Because he hung out with all the most successful, influential, 687 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:11,520 powerful people he could. We should ask people to put us 688 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,000 on the list. It could help you sell books. 689 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,120 This podcast would be a huge hit. 690 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,560 If I was on that list, I might ask myself to be edited into the 691 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,440 list. OK, you're not going to get on 692 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,360 the list. He was a terrible racist. 693 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,160 One, I wasn't couldn't be on the guest list. 694 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,320 Well, Deepak Chopra was on the list, though, allegedly. 695 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,080 Yeah. So he he was allowed on Deepak 696 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:37,120 Chopra as he puts in so, so there were some Asians and and 697 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,000 he wasn't a disabledist because Stephen Hawking was on the list. 698 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,920 He was having a great time. I don't know the full insurance 699 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,400 and outs. Of no and and and what the list 700 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,560 contains, but you know you're. Being on the Epstein list is 701 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,040 very much like making love to a beautiful. 702 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,200 Woman you you would say Tony would be on the list. 703 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,280 Which Tony would love to have been on the list. 704 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,160 I know we're we're we're short on time, so I'm trying to round 705 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,040 this up as succinctly as possible. 706 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,560 You could have saved time by not actually saying that bit. 707 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,960 I was hoping to use this platform to confess to three 708 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,920 murders, but we're running out of time. 709 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,160 Is there anything in the Far Show you wouldn't do again? 710 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,120 Is there any joke you wouldn't now people say, you know, like 711 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:28,600 the Little Britain has had a little backlash for for blacking 712 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,840 up. I know you didn't black up in 713 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,080 the Far Show. Little Britain, they, they, they 714 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,240 did want to push the boundaries and see how far they could go. 715 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,040 And that has, you know, has come round to bite them in the arse. 716 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,720 And I think they, they fully, in retrospect, think actually that 717 00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:51,120 was wrong. We went too far there. 718 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,760 That was, that wasn't something that needed us to push against 719 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,400 it. And and they did set out to be 720 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,360 shocking, not all the time. The fast Show we never, we 721 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,160 never, we weren't trying to be offensive. 722 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,720 We weren't trying to annoy people. 723 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,160 You know, there were, there were a couple of couple of sketches 724 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:15,720 we did that were sort of parodying racist attitudes, 725 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:22,440 which is quite hard then if you're not showing it in context 726 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,560 and it looks like you might just be doing. 727 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,920 Racism and and that, that's a really tricky 1, you know? 728 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,120 Especially when there's no people of colour on the show. 729 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,120 Well, we did have people of. Colour I was never on your show 730 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,960 and I was very offended by not being asked. 731 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,480 Well, we, yeah, we, I didn't know you at the time, that's 732 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,080 true. But we had Colin MacFarlane was 733 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,320 was on a fairly regularly. We had Felix Dexter. 734 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,160 On yeah, Felix what what a talent he was I. 735 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:47,840 Used to. He put him on. 736 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,360 Felix was amazing. He was. 737 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,200 He was a very, very funny guy. Never. 738 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,280 Given his own vehicle. Either, No, I mean Paul and I 739 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,480 worked with him on a, on a a special. 740 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:01,200 It was a pilot for a that would have been for his own series. 741 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,960 And it was funny and he was very funny in it, but the BBC didn't 742 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,000 go with it. Speaking of the BBC as this 743 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,320 thing, and I know you don't want to upset the BBC. 744 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,040 No. But as we speak we're coming off 745 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,480 the back of the Baftas. Yes. 746 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:22,200 And a man with Tourettes shouted the N word out and people took 747 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,080 offence to this. Obviously people with Tourettes 748 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,360 don't have any inkling of what's about to be said and it's a 749 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,240 neurological disorder. Sometimes mean you have 750 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:34,720 intrusive thoughts as a human being and you will say the worst 751 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:38,320 possible thing. Yeah, and we often we, we, we 752 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,400 often have to, you know, we're, you know, when you're in certain 753 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,360 situations, you think, Oh my God, wouldn't it be terrible if 754 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,840 I shouted this out? Oh, I mustn't do it. 755 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,800 And yeah, if you've got Tourette's, you've got no. 756 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,400 And also in 2023, no black people were nominated for a 757 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,520 BAFTA. So he may have been thinking 758 00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,480 this is horrific and also this is the most horrific thing that 759 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,040 could be said which which the disorder. 760 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,440 It's an extraordinary, it's an extraordinary thing. 761 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,800 But they have the right to be offended. 762 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,760 These two liberal sensitivities that have somehow sort of 763 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,960 clashed with each other and nobody quite knows how to deal 764 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,720 with. It I think the black community 765 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:16,560 have the right to be offended by that word, obviously, and the 766 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,480 the people with Tourette's also have the right to defend why 767 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,800 they say these things. But it's the people in the 768 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,680 middle that have the problem. I put a joke out all next saying 769 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,120 I've never seen someone but Tourettes walk around Brixton 770 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,400 Shang at the N word, which I thought would have been quite 771 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,360 funny because I'm offending both groups of people there. 772 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,360 You see, which is where a joke is and the amount of abuse I got 773 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,640 off the back of that because it turns out when I was growing up 774 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,480 during the 1970s, when I heard people shouting out the P word 775 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,240 and the N word all the time, I didn't realise how many people 776 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:53,440 had Tourette's. Nowadays they call them racist. 777 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,160 But can you be racist and have Tourette's? 778 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,280 This is the question. I'm sure you could. 779 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,560 This is the I didn't think that was possible anymore. 780 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,920 Are there racist Tourette's people? 781 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,120 But I don't know. This there must be. 782 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,000 So we don't. I don't know how many Tourette 783 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,800 people there are with Tourette's. 784 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,560 I'm sure Davidson isn't a racist. 785 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,360 No, he's not. But it's possible he could be. 786 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,800 Well, he's not. I don't know. 787 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,920 I'm sure he didn't say that because he was a racist, but 788 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,760 anyone can be racist and have Tourette's. 789 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,520 I'm sure, yes. Have you met Jim Davidson? 790 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,720 Jim Davidson. Sorry. 791 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,240 John Davidson. I think his problem is 792 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,760 Tourette's. Maybe it is. 793 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,000 I'm I'm sure he's a relative of I'm not there's no relation 794 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,640 there with Jim Davidson and John Davidson, but my thoughts go to 795 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,720 both communities there who were. Totally. 796 00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:52,240 I mean it, it was, it was an impossible situation. 797 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,240 Yeah, and and the editor who doesn't realise how to wait it 798 00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:57,240 out an N word. Well. 799 00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,560 They obviously didn't. They obviously didn't hear it 800 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,720 because it's not like. Well, I won't bother to read it 801 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,240 out. Well, they did edit out other 802 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:06,320 bits. Well, they heard them at the 803 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:07,760 time. They were clearer. 804 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,160 Because then they went, there was a song. 805 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:15,320 I remember when Michael Jordan and and Delroy were just stopped 806 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,760 at that point. Yeah, well, as you would. 807 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,920 I mean, it was it's like this is like the worst possible thing 808 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,560 that can. Happen well. 809 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,520 I hope the producer is enjoying his P45I. 810 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,520 I look forward to interviewing him on the podcast. 811 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,600 I want to thank you. What honour and privilege it was 812 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,440 to be on. The well, it's been lovely to be 813 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,000 here. And you're a living legend. 814 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,520 Well, I wouldn't go that far. I'm living. 815 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,400 You're living. And you've you've contributed so 816 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,680 much to the community of comedy within the UK and further afield 817 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:53,480 globally. Well, you know, making comedy is 818 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,440 a lovely thing to do. Hopefully we'll work together 819 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,240 soon. Yeah. 820 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,000 Thanks for watching this podcast so far, hope you're enjoying it 821 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,320 and if you are, leave a five star review, drop some comments. 822 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,400 I might even read them out in future episodes and give you a 823 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,000 shout out.