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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to
episode 10 of the be He cast. 

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My name is Tasty life, joined by
our executive producer T Papa 

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Slice and a lovely guest Today, 
the first time we have an actual

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representative from the Jag X 
developers on the cast. 

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Dude, Mr. Ayesa, looking really 
tan today. 

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How are we feeling? 
You're looking good. 

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Thanks, so it's definitely not 
me with paint on the side of my 

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monitor with painted an orange. 
I'm doing good though. 

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Thank you. 
This is either going to be the 

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best thing that's ever happened 
or I'm going to need to find a 

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new job afterwards. 
So hopefully it's the best thing

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that's ever happened. 
Well, we're looking for another 

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host for Behemoth, man, so if 
you ever need an opportunity, 

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OK, we've got you on that one. 
Dude, I can do that and and if 

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you give me the chance I'll get 
a better line set up. 

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That would be that would be 
great. 

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The joke behind this, by the 
way, is that uses lighting is 

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terrible and before the cast, he
opened up a giant Microsoft 

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paint image and just colored it 
orange so he didn't look so 

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pale. 
That's I have to say it is 

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looking better. 
So thank you very much for 

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coming on dude. 
We really, really appreciate it.

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I know it's, it's not going to 
be too salacious today. 

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We're not going to ask you 
anything scary. 

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We pinky, pinky promise. 
But we are going to jump off 

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with probably the scariest topic
and it has to do with Randy. 

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We would be remiss if we did not
bring up Mr. Randy. 

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It's been blowing up. 
It's been absolutely blowing up 

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over the past week or so. 
For those who don't know, Randy 

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did what was considered bug 
abuse, got rolled back a bunch 

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of XP. 
There's a big debate about it. 

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We're not going to get too deep 
into it, but my question for 

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you, Mr. Aiza, is when it comes 
to the process of doling out 

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consequences for what are 
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I'm assuming you're just the 
messenger. 

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I'm not sure if you play a role 
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You can talk about that in a 
little bit, but what does that 

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process look like from the 
internal side of things? 

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Who makes those decisions and is
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you have to deliver it as the 
messenger and then take all the 

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blowback? 
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good question. 
I think it's something that a 

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lot of people probably wonder, 
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should, because I think there is
a pretty big misunderstanding at

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times in that some people will 
think that like it's an 

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individual, right? 
And it's usually who, yeah, who 

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had the response. 
Like looking at the Randy 

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situation in particular. 
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preface this with saying that it
was not handled as well as it 

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should have been. 
And the response to the kind of 

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like community's feedback that 
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And obviously speaking to Randy,
our response was like 

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acknowledgement of the fact that
it could have been better, it 

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should have been better, and we 
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But if I use that as a 
particular example, most people 

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thought that it was me because I
responded initially on X to, to 

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give some level of clarification
because like, I know in the 

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past, it's been a little bit 
shaky with like responding to 

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folks and I really wanted to 
avoid that happening. 

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So I was like, right, I'm just 
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info straight away. 
And in hindsight, yeah, probably

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could have been handled way 
better than it was. 

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But to answer the actual 
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really just varies. 
Sometimes it could be that a, a 

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particular individual feels 
really strongly about something 

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and it's not big enough to 
warrant having a wider 

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discussion. 
So then it can be something that

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is just like, this is something 
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No one really disagrees. 
Let's go ahead and do it and 

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we'll just go ahead and do it. 
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than not, especially if there's 
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kind of like picked up more 
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Then there is a group. 
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follow or at least a process 
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includes like a pretty big, I'd 
say like a group of stakeholders

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is what we refer to them as. 
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vested interest in the product 
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They'll be consulted on, advised
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decision is made. 
And then that then trickles down

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to, OK, now we need to figure 
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that. 
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step in with my team because we 
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know, communications out to the 
community. 

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Sometimes I might be a 
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decisions that are being made 
because of my, you know, 

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experience of working with the 
players and what they will say 

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or what they won't say and how 
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And other times I'm not. 
And that's just the way that it 

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is. 
So, yeah, that was a really long

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way to answer the question. 
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people usually, more often than 
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sorry. 
It's not a singular decision. 

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It's like a collective agreement
on what needs to be done. 

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Sometimes we're really good at 
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I think other times there are 
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be made. 
And yeah, I'm not going to go 

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through like the exact process, 
like who's in it, who's not and 

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into like the intricate details 
we need. 

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Names now No, no, no. 
No. 

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No some of the blame dude. 
The thing is. 

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Otherwise you are pending. 
On things, right, you know it, 

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it just like you know, you've 
got issues that might be 

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relating to to players, issues 
that might be relating to the 

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product changes that are that 
are happening to something that 

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we're doing or whether it's 
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There's so many different 
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ultimately the point is there's 
a group of people, it gets 

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discussed as a team. 
Usually the whole team has buy 

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in on these things. 
And then then, yeah, it trickles

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down and someone communicates 
and you'll know there are times 

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when like individuals get 
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There are other times where it's
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I think there have been 
instances where there's like a 

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more generic kind of like 
account that gets used now, like

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the community team or the the 
old school team or Runescape or 

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Jag X. 
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those are a little bit 
different. 

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What happened? 
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the membership increase, you're 
like, no one's putting their 

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name on this. 
I think if I, if I can just be 

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really frank, I personally 
wouldn't mind just putting my 

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name on those because like at 
the end of the day, we're here 

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to support the business, right? 
That's what we're here to do and

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the business does have a genuine
interest in the players being as

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happy as possible. 
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decisions that get made that you
just know people aren't going to

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be happy about, and the harsh 
reality of the Internet is that 

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I'm assuming I'm OK to swear on 
your cast. 

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Yes, absolutely not. 
OK, OK. 

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Yeah, sorry. 
Don't worry. 

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Not OK, all right, but like 
people can be really fucking 

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rude and there are there are so 
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something that could be seen as 
relatively minor. 

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I'm not saying this is like a 
woe is me, but the harsh reality

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of it is that when we are when 
we are so like in with the 

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community and keeping them 
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And yeah, there's always things 
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sure. 
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like we are pretty good at being
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It has the drawback of like, you
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my team, especially I, I cannot 
tell you how many times we've 

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received like really horrid 
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And the extents that people will
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dissatisfaction does mean that, 
yeah, at times something happens

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and we have to we have to not 
put someone at risk when when 

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that kind of like news goes out.
And that's just the reality of 

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the the kind of like environment
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When something like this 
happens, is there like red 

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alarms that go off in the office
when it's rendy or like a 

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content like like like when you 
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I just want to know like at what
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Is that ringing the bell? 
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Like, like, because it's, it's 
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happening and it's not a content
creator, but it's another thing 

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like you probably know when this
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Like there's there, there's 
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like we might have some problems
because this is Rendy. 

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He's going to tweet like, what 
does that look like when you 

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realize like, Oh my gosh, this 
is going to be something. 

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Or does that come across like, 
do you guys see that before it 

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happens? 
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we're pretty well versed on when
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like received as well as we 
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And that's like kind of part of 
the the job of my team as well. 

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Outside of just, you know, 
communicating debates is like 

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understanding, is this going to 
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Do we need to be prepared for 
potential kind of like, you 

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know, Fallout and then getting 
kind of like really for me, like

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my, my focus when I, when I look
at what my team wants to achieve

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is like knowing there's 
something that goes out might be

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bad. 
What can we take from it that's 

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actually actionable? 
So I guess, yeah, there's not as

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necessarily like someone ringing
the bell, but there's definitely

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a point for, for most instances 
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look, we probably should 
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more care and consideration than
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it has potential for like quite 
a significant reaction from the 

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community. 
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into that for sure, but there 
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things even, you know, like say,
for example, we're changing 

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something to do with the game 
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the blowpipe, right? 
When we did the first equipment 

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rebalancing, we knew going into 
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blowpipe wasn't going to be 
popular. 

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So we had prepared as much as we
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empt a lot of the negativity 
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And like, we've learned so much 
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But like for that instance, when
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it's more like what information 
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would help kind of like help 
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coming from and what the numbers
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And most of the time that just 
gets completely pushed to the 

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side anyway because it's just a 
rabid mob of of frustration. 

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Yeah, but no, there are there 
are there are clearly points 

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where like we we know enough now
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something's just not going to 
land well. 

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And like we try to prepare for 
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And there are instances where we
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Like at the end of the day, we 
are all human that work at Jag 

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X. 
Sometimes we don't get it as 

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perfect as we would like. 
And you know, we'll then respond

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and I know you didn't ask me 
this, but I think I shouldn't 

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laugh because it makes it seem 
like it's not serious, but it's 

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just a, it's like a coping 
mechanism for me. 

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I, I just kind of like smile a 
lot. 

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But it's when people are like 
quite cynical about like 

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something happens and then we'll
respond and they're like, oh, 

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Jag X did this on purpose so 
that they could then respond and

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make themselves look better than
they were in the in the 1st. 

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Place, Yeah. 
I would love it if that was 

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like, if we were that smart to 
do it. 

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I would just, believe me, I 
would rather that we'd avoided 

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it in the first place because it
is not never a fun experience 

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having to kind of like, try and 
make amends after something has 

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gone bad or gone wrong or not as
you'd hoped it to. 

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So yeah. 
Yeah, well, the the Runescape 

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player base is really very 
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ranges from the side of being 
very mature and understanding 

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that passion to a little bit 
less so. 

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And those people tend to be on 
Twitter and I've, and I've been 

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thinking a lot since we, we got 
you on the podcast. 

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You're the community manager, 
community manager, you're the 

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lead community manager. 
You obviously have an absurd 

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amount of FaceTime with the 
Runescape community. 

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And I've just been thinking 
about how much of kind of a 

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double edged sword that can be 
to be so involved in a community

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where, I don't know, Runescape 
players say it all the time. 

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We had Sardak on the podcast a 
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just in awe of how responsive 
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the players had to you guys as 
moderators. 

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I think that is a huge benefit 
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But that can come at a cost when
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And I, I guess as a content 
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the fact that you are going to 
be taking a lot of the blowback.

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Like there's a lot of negativity
that will be directed at you and

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I've seen that specific thing 
burn out a lot of content 

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creators. 
So how do you personally deal 

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with that when there is 
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negative and it's not 
constructive and it's all at you

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and it's not even your fault. 
Like it's not even a decision 

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that that that you made. 
What are your, I guess coping 

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mechanism is a good word. 
Like how do you deal with that? 

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I kind of like to sit in the in 
my room in complete darkness and

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silence for a few hours. 
I do that too. 

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No way really. 
Team proper does that as well. 

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That's crazy. 
No, I just drink, dude. 

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I'm not even going to say. 
Drink. 

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No, it's like the The thing is 
what what I found is like I'll 

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be honest and when I first 
started I guess I I genuinely 

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really struggled with it and 
there would be times where I 

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would lose sleep. 
I remember my very first kind of

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like appearance on live stream. 
I didn't do a very good job with

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that and I'm sure people can 
find it if they wanted to, but I

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didn't sleep for like 3 days 
after that. 

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Genuinely, I was awake for three
days. 

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I just couldn't sleep. 
I was I was in like a terrible 

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state of panic and even after 
kind of like responding to it, I

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still like felt really bad and 
whenever anything happens that 

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what happened, sorry that used 
to come my way that would be it.

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I was like, I would, I would 
just feel awful because without 

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sounding just like, I'm just 
saying it for the sake of it, 

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but like, I work here because I 
really love what I do. 

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I really love the community and 
I really love the kind of like 

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ability and freedom and power 
that we have to be so engaging. 

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So when you get it wrong, when 
things don't go the way that you

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want it to, it does feel shit. 
Like it sucks so bad and it, it 

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took me a while to stop taking 
that so personally because I 

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would like blame myself for it. 
Like, you know, I'm, I'm the 

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community manager, I'm 
responsible for this. 

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It is my fault. 
These, these guys are right. 

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Nowadays, I kind of, I've kind 
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into when, when things do get 
really negative and when it is 

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more personally directed towards
me, I, I try to find the place 

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that it's coming from outside of
the, I guess like the hostility.

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That's the hardest part is, is 
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like threats and, and all these 
comments and when people make it

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personal. 
I just think this is coming from

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a pure place of passion. 
There's clearly a problem that 

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has incited that reaction. 
What could we possibly do to 

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prevent that from happening in 
the future? 

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And I've used a lot of the 
previous instances to kind of 

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like help shape the way that we 
look to communicate moving 

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forward and to kind of like get 
by and to responding to things. 

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And the point around like, you 
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dark for a few hours that 
that's, that's still valid even 

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to today. 
Because I think it's really 

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important to take a step back to
decompress and to just let those

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kind of like feelings process. 
And that way you're not coming 

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into it like emotionally charged
on the defensive, feeling like 

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you have to, you know, fight 
your case and prove to these 

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people that are being negative 
that it's not the case. 

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And there have been instances 
before in the past where like, 

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I'd have responded in the moment
and potentially said the wrong 

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thing about even intending to. 
But you have no ability to kind 

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of like have the opportunity to 
show people how you actually 

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mean to say something when it's 
all through text. 

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So if I went back to the Randy 
situation, for example, there 

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was so much that I wanted to say
in response to people that were 

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kind of like coming back at me 
in in replies, but I knew that 

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it was not going to achieve 
anything. 

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It's clear that people had an 
opinion in their mind that they 

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felt a way that they did. 
And to them, they felt entitled 

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to feel that way. 
And it's not my place to try and

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stop them. 
I need to give people space just

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as much as I need space to to 
get through that. 

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And then I go through afterwards
see what's going on and, and 

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then figure out, OK, what are 
the actual problems? 

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What's the underlying thing here
that people really care about 

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and what can we do about it? 
And really long answer, but 

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hopefully it was helpful to kind
of like share. 

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That was such a professional and
mature answer. 

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I, I'm, I'm on the side of just 
fuck the haters, you know, like.

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Yeah, but look how you're doing 
and look how you're doing. 

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So I, I I'm not doing bad. 
I I like to. 

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Set your drink. 
I was kidding. 

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I, I, I, I would never get black
guy drunk over a couple YouTube 

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comments. 
All right? 

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I've never done that. 
I've done that once or twice. 

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I think though, just just one 
thing that is really important 

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to say though, is that like the 
way that I deal with it is, is 

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something that I've learned over
many years. 

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I mean, I've been at Jag X since
2017 and I've dealt with a lot 

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of things in that time. 
Like we've gone through some 

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interesting things that have 
happened, right? 

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Not everyone is the same. 
You know, there are there are 

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some people that that have been 
at Jag X that have been subject 

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to kind of like the really 
targeted. 

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I'm just going to say hey, 
because that's what it is most 

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of the time, even if it is 
driven by, you know, passion for

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a change and they've been unable
to work as a result of it, 

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right. 
And I think that's where the 

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double edged blade comes into 
the in the I think people far 

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often take it for granted how 
close we are with the players. 

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And I think it's a bit someone's
going to call me out and say 

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that it's entitled for me to say
that. 

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Because every time I've ever 
tried to step up for the team 

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and push back when there's like 
targeted harassment and hate 

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towards people, it's like, oh, 
it's your job. 

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You know, you shouldn't be out 
here if you don't want to, you 

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know, accept the reality of 
dealing with people on the 

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Internet and like they're 
they're right. 

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But the the reality, the other 
reality of that is that people 

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would just stop engaging. 
You know, it isn't in anyone's 

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job description at Jag X to be 
subject to verbal abuse because 

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of a decision that was made on a
game. 

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And anyone at any point could 
just stop if they wanted to. 

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We don't because we love what we
do and we want to maintain that 

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relationship with the players. 
I think it's a really unique 

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part of what makes old school so
special and having the ability 

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to take players views and their 
and their thoughts and see them 

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get implemented in the game, 
whether it be a week, a month, 

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or a year, or even sometimes two
or three years later. 

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Like you can't, you can't 
replace that feeling. 

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It's incredible. 
But yeah, it sucks a little bit 

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when someone decides to, I don't
know, say that I'm bold or. 

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What's wrong with being bold? 
There is nothing wrong with 

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being bold, you know. 
Oh my. 

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God, no, I think that is that is
really, it's a beautiful answer 

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for sure. 
And I, I think I very heavily 

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identify with that because 
that's something that, I mean, 

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like personally, I've definitely
struggled with that. 

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I think most content creators 
have just as a broad swath. 

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And I, I can, you know, I can't 
even count how many times I've 

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spent like one-on-one time with 
other creators who are dealing 

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with something like that. 
And again, it is, it's really, 

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it's a skill set. 
It's something you have to get 

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better at and the shitty part 
about it is that the only way 

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you can grow that skill set is 
by exposure. 

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And I'm, I mean, I know a lot of
people who have just fully 

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stepped back from content 
creation because it's just not 

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something they're really willing
to do. 

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I mean, you could be as 
passionate as as you guys are, 

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you could be as good as you guys
are, you could be as mature, but

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it doesn't matter. 
You're still going to get it and

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you're still going to have to 
deal with it. 

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And that's not a job description
that does suck. 

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So I, I feel for that, but it's 
good that you guys have found, 

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or at least most of you, I'm 
assuming, have found a, a 

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healthy way to kind of process 
that and divorce yourself from 

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the, I mean, targeted harassment
is really, is really what it is 

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at points. 
Like I, I log on and I see 

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comments and I'm like, what is, 
what is this doing? 

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Like why is that person taking 
time out of their day to type 

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that you know? 
Yeah, and like, for the most 

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part, it doesn't do much apart 
from just make someone on the 

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other end feel crap and want to 
engage with them less. 

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And I think it's just also 
really important to make sure 

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that from me saying all of this 
to make it absolutely abundantly

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clear, no one at Jag X thinks 
that people shouldn't criticize.

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Things when they go wrong, 
right? 

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We want to hear from players 
when they don't like something, 

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when something isn't the way 
that they feel like it should 

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be, you know, or that we could 
do better. 

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It's just the the only side of 
it that they're like I 

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definitely don't agree with and 
I don't think adds any value. 

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It actually makes it more 
difficult for us because, you 

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know, like I said, I have to 
kind of like step away for a 

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while to be able to come back at
times. 

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But it's like the, the targeted 
harassment, the, the very like 

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vulgar hate just makes it take 
longer for us to actually get to

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the root cause of the issue and 
then figure out a response. 

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And it would be so much better 
if people were just constructive

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with their criticism all the 
time. 

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That way we'd be able to just 
look at it way more holistically

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and actually have a solid view 
on what's going on instead of 

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having to decipher everything 
all the time. 

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And it'd be this massive like 
mind game. 

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Yeah, that's not gonna happen, 
man. 

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So good luck. 
We can, we can, we can wish, we 

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can pray. 
We could wish, yeah. 

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I think with the job thing, I 
always like he's, you know, 

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sometimes when we're streaming, 
people come in and we're just 

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there. 
We can't run away from the 

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stream. 
So if they say something mean or

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super negative about Jagger, 
'cause we just have to sit there

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and listen. 
You know, I like to remind 

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people that like, it's just your
job. 

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You know, like he, he's a human 
being. 

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Like at the end of the day, he's
just going to work. 

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And now clearly we're so lucky 
that you're so passionate and 

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that you really do care. 
And, you know, but at the end of

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the day, this is a lot of it's 
just our job. 

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Like I have a family. 
I like TV shows, you know, this 

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isn't every like my life like he
said. 

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Doesn't wake up the morning and 
he doesn't just like eat 

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Runescape cereal and then puts 
on his Runescape clothes and 

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goes to his Runescape job like. 
When I'm wearing Runescape 

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clothes and I'm going to. 
Runescape. 

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Job. 
Oh no, he is. 

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I don't. 
Have the Runescape cereal 

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though. 
I'm so sorry, but like, we're so

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lovely, Runescape. 
Gin I could I could drink myself

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to sleep with Runescape gin. 
Oh, you need to bring that. 

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You need to bring that. 
Is that available for purchase? 

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No, it's if we got it here from 
I can't remember. 

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It was like one of the moments 
at at. 

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But yeah, it's like drag X Gin. 
They they made their own like. 

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Oh my gosh. 
Version of it. 

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Yeah, that's. 
Everyone got a bowl, so yeah, 

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I've never opened it. 
It's. 

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That's my mega collectible. 
An e-mail? 

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Do you think you'd be willing to
send me a bottle of that? 

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If there's still some left, but 
yeah, sorry to Tori to interject

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you there too, because you just 
said that it reminded me I have 

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it, but I appreciate I. 
Appreciate by the way he wakes 

446
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:56,400
up in the. 
Morning. 

447
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:02,000
He drinks his Runescape gin 
because he hates his job because

448
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,360
everyone's mean to him. 
No, I'm just like, we're so 

449
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:07,560
lucky that you guys like the 
fact that you sit here and you 

450
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,760
talk about like you, you 
actually have passion. 

451
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,840
Like at the end of the day, if 
he's just wanted to wake up and 

452
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,120
collect his paycheck and like 
just do the bare minimum, which 

453
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:17,680
is like, no offense, probably 
95% of the people in the 

454
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,960
workforce like, you know, we're 
so lucky that, you know, we have

455
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,400
these people that really do 
care. 

456
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,280
And at the end of the day, like 
there's a lot more happy 

457
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,120
customers and unhappy customers.
It's just the unhappy customers 

458
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:31,040
are so fucking loud, dude. 
They're so annoying. 

459
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,400
They're like. 
That's, that's so true and I'm 

460
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,760
glad you pointed it out because 
like there is, well, we, we do 

461
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,200
get a lot of praise, right? 
And it's lovely when we see it. 

462
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,320
I think people just forget 
though, that like you, not to 

463
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,960
say that you become normalised 
to it, but say, for example, 

464
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,160
you're reading like 100 comments
and you probably get this when 

465
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,000
you're looking at your chats and
stuff like that, when you're 

466
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,720
creating content yourself, it's 
like, you know, that's the norm.

467
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,760
People are being like normal in 
essence of being nice and you 

468
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,960
know, being there like positive 
about what's going on. 

469
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:02,280
Then when you suddenly get like 
1 message that is not part of 

470
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,280
that norm and it stands out, 
especially if it's like a hate 

471
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,800
comment like that sticks so much
longer than any other comment 

472
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,360
does. 
And that's obviously like why 

473
00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:11,840
people do it. 
They know that it bothers you. 

474
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,920
They want to get a reaction and 
a response to it. 

475
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,480
But yeah, it it does make it 
difficult because it can almost 

476
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,000
make you forget about all the 
positive things when when you 

477
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,200
get hit with a lot of negativity
at once, it it just takes away 

478
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,440
from it. 
And I guess that's another 

479
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,440
coping mechanism as well. 
It's like, you know, remember 

480
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,440
back to all the other times 
where someone will say like, oh,

481
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,560
you know, you did a really good 
job. 

482
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,480
Like Rune Fest, for example, 
last year had so many people 

483
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,080
that would come up and be like, 
you know, it's incredible the 

484
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,120
way that you kind of like 
respond to people and stuff. 

485
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:40,000
And I'm thinking to myself, Oh 
my God, you've not read half the

486
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,520
responses what's going on here. 
But you know, it's a good 

487
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,600
reminder that there are people 
out there that definitely don't 

488
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,280
see it the way that the others 
do. 

489
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,360
And again, not against 
negativity. 

490
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,040
Please tell us when you don't 
like something. 

491
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,120
Tell us when you're not happy. 
Tell us when you want to see 

492
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,480
changes. 
Just don't make it personal. 

493
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,080
Yeah, we'll get into that in a 
second. 

494
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,760
You know, we got a lot to go 
over. 

495
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:08,280
I want to share a good a good 
metaphor that I think T Papa 

496
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,000
gave me one time about this when
So for a little bit of 

497
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,880
background, when we make a 
behemoth video everyday, we 

498
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,080
average, I don't know, 60,000 
views or so. 

499
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,480
When T papa's waking up in the 
morning and deciding the title 

500
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,680
and the thumbnail, he imagines 
himself standing in a 60,000 

501
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,440
person football stadium. 
And that's that's the mindset he

502
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,120
puts himself in. 
He's like what kind of make 

503
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:35,560
60,000 people want to watch. 
If you think about it, like all 

504
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,640
of your viewers and your, your 
community is a big football 

505
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,440
stadium. 
There's, you know, millions of 

506
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,920
players in the Jag stadium and 
then there's like 100 people in 

507
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,520
the front row. 
They're being really loud and 

508
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,440
mean. 
Like that sucks because that's 

509
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,320
what you hear and that's what 
sticks with you. 

510
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:57,040
But it is important to remember 
the other, you know, 9.9999% or 

511
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,840
whatever are all, you know, 
happy customers. 

512
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,720
And I, I do think about that 
sometimes. 

513
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,600
I think that that helps me at 
least. 

514
00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:06,080
Yeah, that's a, that's a really 
good shout. 

515
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,880
Although I would have sworn that
like your your style of like 

516
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,160
figuring out the title was 
which. 

517
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,000
Which title would Jag X be most 
pissed off with? 

518
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,120
Buddy, all right, look, man, we 
are we are fair to you guys, but

519
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:22,560
we don't cater, OK, we. 
Want No, no, I respect it. 

520
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,320
I had to say it because it's 
just hilarious in that sense. 

521
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,640
But like, you've got to do what 
you got to do. 

522
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,640
The algorithm is the algorithm 
and you know, dude. 

523
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,480
There was Oh my God, there's. 
This I'm trying to think there's

524
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,560
any like bad one I don't. 
Know, I'm trying to think 

525
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,040
sailing before sailing was 
coming out, obviously we were 

526
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:43,360
talking a lot about it on 
Behemoth and our our opinion was

527
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:45,680
like fairly neutral. 
Like we were not shitting on 

528
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,800
sailing. 
We were saying, hey, you know, 

529
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,680
we like it. 
Like there could be some good 

530
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,920
stuff here, but you know, no 
strong opinions in general. 

531
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,440
There was a big blog post that 
you guys posted right before it 

532
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,360
came out and a cold one tagged 
me in the creator discord or 

533
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:08,960
something and he made like some 
comment about how we're going to

534
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,080
rage bait Behemoth viewers. 
And for that episode that we put

535
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,280
out about sailing, we did an AB 
test on YouTube, which is where 

536
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,840
you take two titles and two 
thumbnails and when it gets 

537
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,080
broadcasted to everybody, like 
50% see one and 50% see the 

538
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,760
other. 
And it measures which one gets 

539
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,480
more interaction. 
And then when it finishes its 

540
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,080
test period, it puts that one as
the main, main one that everyone

541
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,560
sees for the rest of the time. 
One of our AB thumbnails was 

542
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,520
like very nice. 
Like sailing could be the 

543
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,440
greatest thing to ever happen to
Runescape. 

544
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:46,080
And then the the B title was 
sailing could ruin Runescape. 

545
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,440
And obviously sailing could ruin
Runescape is the one that got 

546
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,480
selected and broadcast 
everywhere and the very next day

547
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,920
one of the J mods like took a 
screenshot and posted it in the 

548
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:05,000
creator discord and tagged me. 
He was like dude come on I was 

549
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,080
like that. 
I I am really sorry, but for 

550
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,640
whatever it's worth, T Papa came
up with both of those or. 

551
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,040
Whatever it's worth, I didn't 
see any of this interaction. 

552
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,840
You're like, wasn't my job, not 
my problem, I was. 

553
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:19,160
Like, yeah, like, I am the 
community manager of Behemoth, 

554
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,360
all right? 
I'm just I'm the mouthpiece T 

555
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:22,960
Papa decides everything that 
goes on. 

556
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,360
I just take the heat for it. 
You. 

557
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,840
Know yeah that is kind of that 
is what happens so if you have 

558
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,160
any complaints it's with me I'm 
looking at the title now I don't

559
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,880
see any that I'd be like oh dude
I hope that J mods didn't see 

560
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,440
that one because every time I 
put one out like I know you guys

561
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,000
see it. 
Yeah, we watched them. 

562
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,760
It's nowhere. 
It's nowhere near as bad as it 

563
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,840
used to be. 
I think back a few years back, 

564
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,280
it was, it was a lot more like 
out there. 

565
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,280
For you guys, we did that. 
That was a conscious decision 

566
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,560
when we took over the channel. 
Thank you. 

567
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,400
We we appreciate that. 
But like, at the same time, it's

568
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,480
like, you know, it, it is what 
it is. 

569
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,560
Like, understandably, you know, 
you got to do what you got to 

570
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,120
do. 
No one's sitting there thinking 

571
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:05,280
like we need to stop Behemoth 
from posting these so you keep 

572
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,120
on getting that bread. 
Thanks guys. 

573
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:12,680
Yeah, we we appreciate that. 
OK, I wanted to take a little a 

574
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,360
little step back to the the 
broadview of Mr. Ayiza himself. 

575
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,920
How did you get in to working at
Jag X? 

576
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,760
Why did you choose community 
management? 

577
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,600
Is it something you have a 
degree for? 

578
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,640
Like what's what's your story at
Jag X? 

579
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,520
Oh OK, I could do a really long 
version or short version. 

580
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,040
I'll try and do the short 
version. 

581
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,920
I don't have a degree in it, a 
medium version. 

582
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,640
OK, I don't have a degree in it.
I don't have a degree at all. 

583
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,680
I went to university for like 3 
months to study computer science

584
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,720
and I dropped out. 
It just wasn't for me. 

585
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,960
So like I've worked before Jag X
in like corporate IT since I was

586
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,560
pretty much like 17 or 18 
something like that. 

587
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:58,280
And I got to like 2425 ish and I
was like super depressed at my 

588
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,960
job. 
Like don't get me wrong, get 

589
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:03,200
paid really well. 
I was doing, I was doing good. 

590
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,720
And that was like a conscious 
decision of not finishing uni 

591
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,960
because I was like, if I just 
work instead and spent the next 

592
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,560
four years like really pushing 
myself in my career. 

593
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,680
Could I be at a point where I 
would be if I was just like 

594
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,800
joining now after leaving 
university? 

595
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,960
And then that worked out for me.
And it doesn't work out for 

596
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,120
everyone, but that was what I 
did. 

597
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,480
I went for it. 
It worked. 

598
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,720
I'm glad for it. 
But yeah, I got to like 2425. 

599
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,160
I hated my job so much. 
I was playing Runescape at the 

600
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,520
time, and then the evenings I 
was doing a little bit of 

601
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,760
streaming on Old School as well.
I was going towards getting my 

602
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,400
Questcape because when I played 
Runescape as a kid, I hated 

603
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,240
quests. 
So I was all right, I'm going to

604
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,680
find a love for quests, and now 
they're one of my favorite 

605
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,800
things, even though I have not 
done any of the recent ones. 

606
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,080
I'm really sorry to the team for
that. 

607
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,960
But to say that out? 
Loud. 

608
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:48,920
Yeah, it is. 
Sure it is. 

609
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,520
I can't help it. 
I can't help it. 

610
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,200
It's there. 
The pain is in my, is in my 

611
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,880
heart. 
But yeah, so I was, I was 

612
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,520
playing a little bit of 
Runescape and Old School and 

613
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,520
streaming it and Dead Man came 
about the very first Dead Man. 

614
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,120
So I took like a week off work 
to play Dead Man with one of my 

615
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,240
friends from school and we like 
no life to share of it. 

616
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,680
Had such a blast. 
I was like, this is so good. 

617
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,560
And I then saw that for the next
Dead Man that we're doing it at 

618
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,240
ESL in Leicester. 
So I got tickets and I went with

619
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,960
my friend and I got a chance to 
and by the time, by the way, 

620
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,880
during this time I was like 
watching the Q&A's and all that 

621
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,280
kind of stuff. 
So I went to the event and I got

622
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,800
to meet a few of the Jay Moss 
whilst I was there and I spoke 

623
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,720
to them and it was, it was Mod 
Kieran, Matt Kay and I can't 

624
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,640
remember who, the other one, it 
might have been Mod Wolf at the 

625
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,960
time. 
I think it was those 3. 

626
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,880
And I was just chatting with 
them after the event had ended 

627
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,480
at the bar and you know, talking
to them about Runescape and I 

628
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,040
was like these guys, they're so 
fucking cool. 

629
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,120
They love their job. 
Like why do I have to work 

630
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,920
somewhere that I hate? 
This isn't fair. 

631
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,400
So from that point I was like 
just checking the website every 

632
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,560
single day to see if there was a
job coming up. 

633
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:02,520
And lo and behold, a job did 
come up that was for like an 

634
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,320
influencer manager role. 
And I was like, hey, you know 

635
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,160
what? 
Why the hell not? 

636
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,000
Like I've been streaming and 
know a bunch of the creators. 

637
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,720
Like I've had pretty good 
relationships with a bunch of 

638
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,520
especially the UK streamers at 
the time. 

639
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,240
I'd met them at like Insomnia 
and obviously at the dead man 

640
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,880
events too. 
And I felt like I had a pretty 

641
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,360
good, like, rapport with them. 
So I'll just give it a go. 

642
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,880
And yeah, I managed to get 
myself an interview. 

643
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,040
I tried to like, basically 
position myself because I was 

644
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,840
like an account manager for this
telephony software company. 

645
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,280
And I was like, well-being an 
account manager, I have to deal 

646
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,760
with, you know, hundreds of 
different clients. 

647
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,400
And I would consider them to be 
like, you know, my customer just

648
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,120
like a player would be, or in 
this instance, a creator. 

649
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,920
I was trying to be like, you 
know, cross, that's good skills 

650
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,960
and all of that. 
But yeah, I had an interview and

651
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,600
they asked me to pitch, like, I 
had to do like, a deck where I 

652
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,640
pitched, like, an idea that I 
would add to old school. 

653
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,880
And the interview was meant to 
be 30 minutes. 

654
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,600
And I was there for 2 1/2 hours 
because I was going over this 

655
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,440
deck and it was in so much 
detail. 

656
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,360
And in the end, they turned 
around and they had someone, 

657
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,280
like, knock on the door to say, 
like, you know, it's everything,

658
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,560
OK, you've been in here for a 
while. 

659
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,120
They were like worried that 
something had happened. 

660
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,840
But yeah, no, it just turns out 
that I just really impressed 

661
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,240
them. 
But unfortunately I didn't get 

662
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,320
the role. 
That role actually went to Mod 

663
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,840
Archie. 
So thanks, Mod Archie. 

664
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,960
Yeah, fuck you Mod Archie or 
where do we like him or not? 

665
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,600
No, we love mod Archie. 
You're a good guy, Mod Archie, 

666
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,080
you're a. 
Good guy. 

667
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,480
Yeah. 
No, he, he is one of my best 

668
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,920
friends. 
But yeah, no. 

669
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,720
So I didn't get that. 
But what they did say to me was 

670
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,840
that they're going to have a new
role opening very soon for a 

671
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,440
community manager and they would
love for me to apply for that. 

672
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,760
But like with anything, right, 
these things take time. 

673
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,560
So it was like a month between 
like my interview and then 

674
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,640
finally hearing back that I 
wasn't getting it. 

675
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,240
And then like another two or 
three weeks for this other role 

676
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,800
to come up. 
And then I applied for that. 

677
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,080
I went to the interview or I had
a phone interview 1st and then 

678
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,440
it went to the interview and I 
was told that I'd be joined by 

679
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,720
like a bunch of different people
that were from outside of Jag X.

680
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,360
None of them showed up. 
So it was, it was me and two 

681
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,960
other people that both worked at
Jag X at the time, one of them 

682
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,080
being Mod Sween and the other 
being Mod Wolf. 

683
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,440
They were both going for this 
community manager role and I 

684
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,080
came in as an external. 
Obviously, you know, like I'm at

685
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,440
this point thinking to myself, 
I've been royally set up here. 

686
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,080
I'm never going to win over an 
employee that is already at the 

687
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,600
company. 
Like surely they prefer in 

688
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,120
promotion and Jag X have been 
historically really good at 

689
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,280
that. 
But yeah, we had to do this 

690
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,040
group exercise. 
Me and Sween were working 

691
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,920
together on it. 
The two of us just, like, 

692
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,920
connected so quickly. 
It was like it was meant to be. 

693
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,320
And I'd I say this like, it 
sounds like a bit like a fairy 

694
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,400
tale. 
It fucking felt like one. 

695
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,560
The two of us just almost like, 
fell in love. 

696
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,239
It was great. 
That's romantic. 

697
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,960
It is very romantic. 
Like we both ended that session 

698
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,719
and turned around. 
I was like, damn, imagine if we 

699
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,360
both got the job. 
That would be so good, wouldn't 

700
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:00,440
it? 
Like, I think we've really got 

701
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,560
something here. 
Sween got the job. 

702
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:06,400
I didn't get the job. 
Yeah, Oh my gosh. 

703
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:08,320
Do you work at Jag X? 
What are you? 

704
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,960
Just making, no, I know, I know,
right? 

705
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,040
It's mad. 
And then thankfully another 

706
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,520
month later, Mod Ronan was 
working in a community. 

707
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,840
At the time. 
Back then, Mod Ronan was moving 

708
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,880
out of community into like a 
social and video role or 

709
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,160
something like that. 
They called me up and were like,

710
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,320
look, we're not going to mess 
you around. 

711
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,440
There's a community role open. 
If you want it, it's yours. 

712
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,120
So I was like, yes, please. 
The difficulty being that like I

713
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,360
live about an hour and a half 
away from Jag X and because I've

714
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,840
done pretty well like in the, 
you know, the IT time like I 

715
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,480
had, I got a house like it's 
I've got a mortgage on it, mind 

716
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,200
you, but I had a house with a 
mortgage and I wasn't prepared 

717
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,320
to kind of like sell that and 
then move just in case JX didn't

718
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,920
work out. 
So, yeah, I was kind of like 

719
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,160
having to explain to my my my 
girlfriend at the time that was 

720
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,360
like, so I kind of like got this
job and it's an hour and a half 

721
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,480
away, so I really want it. 
But yeah, that's kind of like 

722
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:09,720
how I became to be at Jag X. 
It was just purely by, I'd say 

723
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:12,520
look by chance. 
But I think part of it was like 

724
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,520
building up a good enough 
connection with people, making 

725
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,600
good enough impression when I 
met these mods at the event and 

726
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,800
I hoped to think that played a 
part in it. 

727
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,840
But also my like interest in the
game. 

728
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,000
They could clearly see I was 
super passionate and hated the 

729
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,840
work that I did and I just 
really wanted to work somewhere 

730
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,680
that I cared about. 
I'd also tried to get into Jag X

731
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,560
when I was like, I think it was 
about 14 years old. 

732
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,600
In the UK we do a thing called 
work experience where you get to

733
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,640
go and work at a company for 
like 2 weeks and it's a thing 

734
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,200
that everyone has to do. 
I don't know if they still do 

735
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,960
it, but when I was in school 
anyway, they did and I applied 

736
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,440
to be at Jag X and and got 
rejected. 

737
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,760
But I'd like always said to my 
friends like, because we played 

738
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,680
Runescape obviously at schools, 
like I'm going to work at 

739
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,640
Runescape one day. 
And then yeah, finally happened.

740
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,600
So yeah, that's that's how 
that's how I got in. 

741
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,200
When? 
Well, OK, I don't know if this 

742
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,600
is an inappropriate question. 
How old are you? 

743
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,280
I'm 34 this year. 
OK. 

744
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,120
And how long have you been at 
Jag X? 

745
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,320
So I joined in 2017 and then 
like towards the, I think it was

746
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:18,480
like September 2017, I joined. 
I then left Jag X in December of

747
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:27,240
2018 or maybe 2019, and then 
came back like a year later and 

748
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:28,680
I've been there since. 
Yeah. 

749
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,480
So it would have been 2019 I 
left. 

750
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,200
It was the end of 2019 I left 
and then I rejoined in 2020 and 

751
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,040
I've been there like solid 
since. 

752
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,600
Can you talk about why you left?
Yeah, by all means, like I 

753
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,680
mentioned the whole like house 
situation, right? 

754
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,400
I had a, had a house, had a 
mortgage. 

755
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,040
So when I first started working 
at Jag X for like the first 

756
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,520
three months to make sure that I
was really going to like vibe 

757
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,640
with it, I just commuted 
everyday. 

758
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,560
So I drive to the office and I 
drive back. 

759
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,800
And back then getting into 
Cambridge was terrible. 

760
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,720
They've improved the roads so 
much more now. 

761
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:05,280
So it actually takes an hour and
a half. 

762
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,880
But back then I used to have to 
leave at 6:00 in the morning to 

763
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,760
be able to have any chance of 
getting in for 9:00. 

764
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,720
And then I would leave around 
about 7:30 or so PM and get back

765
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:16,560
home for like 9:00 PM, go to 
sleep, wake up, do the same 

766
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:17,840
thing. 
So I did that for like 3 months.

767
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,560
Oh my gosh. 
You drove 2 hours a day each 

768
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,120
way. 
It was like 5 hours a day in 

769
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,920
total. 
Yeah, yeah. 

770
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,600
Honestly, looking back, it was 
wild. 

771
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,480
But I really, I really wanted 
the job, right. 

772
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,800
So like my dad even let me use, 
I had my own car, but he let me 

773
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,480
use his car, which was an LPG 
conversion. 

774
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,560
So instead of it using like 
petrol or diesel, that used gas 

775
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,200
because that would only cost me 
£15 to get to and from Jag X and

776
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,760
then there again, but not back. 
So I'd saved money because I was

777
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,040
like, so to be transparent, Jag 
X are really, really fucking 

778
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,880
good. 
Like Jag X have sorted me out 

779
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,520
solid. 
I'm super happy with my 

780
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,960
situation where I am now. 
But like, it wasn't the same 

781
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,760
when I first started. 
I came in pretty junior. 

782
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,360
I had no experience in the role,
right? 

783
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,240
And that was like a big 
difference in what was being 

784
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:12,440
paid before to then. 
So yeah, I was paying for the 

785
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,760
mortgage, didn't want to sell, 
travelled a whole bunch. 

786
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,680
Eventually after those three 
months, I was like, right, my my

787
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,200
girlfriend at the time found a 
job closer to Cambridge so we 

788
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,640
could move and then we rented a 
place like 20 minute drive away 

789
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,840
from Cambridge and stayed there 
for a year. 

790
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,560
But at this time, like I still 
don't want to sell the house. 

791
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,200
Really not sure what we want to 
do. 

792
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,560
So like we'll just stick out for
a year. 

793
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,760
So I used all my savings 
basically to pay for mortgage 

794
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,320
and rent at the same time. 
I was like 2 places, 2 lots of 

795
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,200
bills. 
It was, it was fun, but I didn't

796
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,240
regret it. 
Like I'm still glad, really glad

797
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,200
that I did it. 
And then the like the end of the

798
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,600
that year of rental came up and 
it was like, right, it's time to

799
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,640
move. 
And well, didn't want to sell 

800
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,880
the house. 
Really liked where we live 

801
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,600
because it's close to family. 
Like my parents had had fallen 

802
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,720
like pretty, I'll nothing 
serious, but like they were ill 

803
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:06,120
enough. 
Like my dad was like bedridden 

804
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,240
for a week or something like 
that. 

805
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:10,440
And it just made me think like, 
do I really want to be so far 

806
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,960
away from home all the time? 
And that's where I kind of like 

807
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,560
got this little bit of doubt in 
my mind about what to do and 

808
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,520
what else. 
So I ended up, we ended up like 

809
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,440
moving back into our house full 
time and I started commuting 

810
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,680
again for another three months 
and eventually got to the end of

811
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,080
three months. 
And I was just like, I can't do 

812
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,160
this anymore. 
It's like it's literally just 

813
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,920
destroying my soul as much as I 
want to keep the job. 

814
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,640
And like, JH tried to be as 
accommodating as they could, but

815
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,800
this was before working from 
home was a thing. 

816
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,440
But they still allowed me to 
have like one day a week where 

817
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,680
I'll be able to work from home. 
And that's when I'd spend all my

818
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,920
time writing a lot of blogs. 
But it just wasn't sustainable 

819
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,160
really long term. 
So yeah, I I made the difficult 

820
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,880
decision of just walking away. 
Ultimately, I think I made like 

821
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,160
a pretty long video about it 
that goes into way more of the 

822
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,040
specifics, but that's why I 
left. 

823
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,080
And then I rejoined because 
COVID happened and working from 

824
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,840
home was a possibility. 
So when they called me up and 

825
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,160
was like, do you want to come 
back? 

826
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,680
We've got a roll open and you 
can work from home, I took it 

827
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,040
instantly. 
I was like 100% yes. 

828
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:15,440
So he's, he's like a COVID baby.
He is, yeah. 

829
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:16,760
He's he's a COVID baby. 
That's. 

830
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:17,840
True. 
Yeah, I still. 

831
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,520
I still. 
Work COVID babies. 

832
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,000
That's so funny. 
You're one of us, dude. 

833
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,840
Yeah, but no, I've worked from 
home since 2020 and like before 

834
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,200
I joined Jag X, I'd worked from 
home for the companies that I 

835
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,680
was working with for like 4 
years. 

836
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,520
So yeah, been pretty isolating 
last 10 years, to be honest. 

837
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,360
It's it's great. 
And also not at the same time, 

838
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,400
but that's an entirely separate 
topic. 

839
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,960
If you're working from home, you
could theoretically live pretty 

840
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,240
much anywhere you want. 
I have a spare bedroom. 

841
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,720
I do too. 
Wait. 

842
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,440
Yeah, but after I lied, I. 
Lied, I was just going to invite

843
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,880
you over here and I. 
Didn't you? 

844
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,480
Didn't like the? 
Same bed. 

845
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,320
He actually died, yeah. 
You have two bedrooms, you can 

846
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,320
pick which one you want. 
You could live in the garage 

847
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:57,600
too. 
I. 

848
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,320
Got a big garage? 
You're going to have to live in 

849
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,560
Idaho. 
You're not going to like it. 

850
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:01,880
It's. 
Yeah, you probably won't. 

851
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,960
Well, I appreciate the offers 
boys, I genuinely do. 

852
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,000
But like, I actually really, I'm
really happy with where I am. 

853
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,120
I've got an A house that I 
really love and I'm in a good 

854
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,920
area and settled with a 
girlfriend now and all that's 

855
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:14,960
good. 
So yeah. 

856
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,880
We're we're happy for you and 
it's an open offer, you know, if

857
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,080
you ever. 
If you're very curious, hey, I'd

858
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,320
love to come and visit though at
some point if if that's a 

859
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:24,520
possibility. 
That would be awesome. 

860
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,400
We're going to Chicago pretty 
soon. 

861
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,600
Are you going to be in Chicago? 
That's. 

862
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,800
True, You better be in Chicago. 
I'm going to be in Chicago. 

863
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,560
Yeah, yes, I somehow landed the 
gig of being able to host so. 

864
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,720
You're, you're a good host. 
I think being community forward 

865
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,480
and people facing you, probably 
you probably have the most 

866
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,880
experience with it. 
So you're I think you're an easy

867
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,160
choice. 
That OK, sorry go. 

868
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:51,320
Very quick follow up question, 
You are going to Chicago, will 

869
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:57,680
you have the Jag X credit card? 
No, I don't even have one. 

870
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,600
Who has that? 
I know one person that does. 

871
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,800
There used to be there used to 
be a thing back a few years ago,

872
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,200
like when I was in the 
20/17/2019 era where almost 

873
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,880
every manager had a company 
credit card. 

874
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,120
I've just heard stories about 
the the bar tabs on the Jack X 

875
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,120
credit card. 
I just would like to take part 

876
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,080
in that, you know? 
Yeah. 

877
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,960
Those days were wild. 
It is not the same anymore. 

878
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,120
We we do not have as many cars 
like that. 

879
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,280
But yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure 
there'll be opportunities though

880
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,120
where we can, you know, we can 
take advantage of the moment in 

881
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,600
a respectable and responsible 
way. 

882
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,800
Yeah, So when we look at what 
you have to deal with as a 

883
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,960
community manager, I don't. 
I'm just trying to think from 

884
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,080
like what I see you could get 
nervous from. 

885
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,720
I just want to know what makes 
you nervous in your job, if 

886
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:53,520
anything. 
And I'm talking you have live 

887
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,240
events, you have massive updates
in games. 

888
00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:00,200
We're talking like raids, you 
have leagues and you have price 

889
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:05,200
hikes, which is like, what is 
the worst day for a Yeeza or 

890
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,320
yeah, I mean worse or I don't 
know. 

891
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,200
I guess there's a difference 
between like a the worst day at 

892
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,000
your job and like what you get 
nervous for. 

893
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,960
So I guess there's two questions
there, like what? 

894
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,280
What? 
Yeah, what, what gets the nerves

895
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,440
going? 
And then what is what's like? 

896
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:28,160
Oh, what a bad day. 
OK, the nervous side of things, 

897
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,880
this is probably going to sound 
really harrowing, but like I'm 

898
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,360
quite numb to stuff these days, 
so I don't feel good necessarily

899
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,240
nervous. 
I I think like going up on stage

900
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:43,560
when it involves real people is 
very different to going on 

901
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:44,880
stream. 
Like I used to be terrified 

902
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,120
about going on stream and there 
are times where like your people

903
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,640
see me. 
Like I've seen people on the 

904
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,880
podcast, for example, comment 
like what does Mod Aisa always 

905
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,080
look like? 
He's going to cry. 

906
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,600
I'm like. 
I I haven't seen. 

907
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,120
That and I I did like I read 
every single one of the comments

908
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,520
and I probably shouldn't, no. 
That I do not. 

909
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,680
That's the worst reason. 
You can't read every comment. 

910
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,880
It's just, it's the nature. 
Of scroll too low dude, if you 

911
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,200
scroll too low in the. 
Comments. 

912
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,400
It's not going to make you 
happy. 

913
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,080
They will or will be bad ones. 
There will be, yeah. 

914
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,360
But the truth is, is like 
sometimes that can be nerve 

915
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,200
wracking when I have like a 
guess that I that I'm like, I 

916
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,480
really respect and I want to and
I'm like deep into listening to 

917
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,760
them. 
Sometimes I just like pull weird

918
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,760
faces because it's just nerves 
that's happening. 

919
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,800
And yeah, going up on stage, so 
like the very, the 1st 2:00 room

920
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,480
fests that I ever did, I was 
like sweating. 

921
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:38,920
You would have thought that I'd 
pissed myself. 

922
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,440
I was soaking wet through like 
shaking. 

923
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,160
And then I go on stage and I 
look like a, you know, a 

924
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,200
terrified ghosts or something 
like that. 

925
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,600
But like last room fest, I 
didn't feel anywhere near that 

926
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,080
bad, probably because I was so 
exhausted. 

927
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,440
It was more just like, it is 
what it is at this point. 

928
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,880
But definitely going on stage, 
like I'm nervous for All Stars 

929
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,640
for sure. 
And it's not so much that I'm 

930
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,240
nervous about being in front of 
people. 

931
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:06,560
Like my nerves now have shifted 
to not doing a good enough job 

932
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,160
for the people that are there to
enjoy it. 

933
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,760
Like I really want to make sure 
people come back from it and 

934
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,680
feel like that they that they 
really got something that was 

935
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,000
worth it and experience they 
wouldn't have got elsewhere. 

936
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,200
That's what I'm nervous about in
that sense. 

937
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,960
And I think that's probably the 
same way with anything. 

938
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,920
It's like, how are people going 
to respond to it? 

939
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,920
Am I doing the right thing for 
them? 

940
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,360
But for the most part, I'm kind 
of like numb in that sense now. 

941
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,520
The worst day, truthfully, it's 
just when something, when you 

942
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,240
know something bad's got to be 
told, got to be said and there's

943
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:39,560
nothing that you can do about 
it. 

944
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,520
Like no one, no one likes to 
have that happen. 

945
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,760
So those, those would be the 
worst days. 

946
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,280
And then I think like the the 
the other side that's like less 

947
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,320
player facing and more like 
internally is when like one of 

948
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,400
my team members are like really 
struggling with a particular 

949
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,040
project. 
Like I hate to see my team 

950
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,520
struggle like they might be 
blocked on trying to get 

951
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,400
something called having a really
difficult like conversation 

952
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,440
around something that they feel 
is the right thing to do. 

953
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,760
And not able to progress with it
or, you know, one of the 

954
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,840
designers really wants to do 
something that they're 

955
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,120
passionate about. 
And I kind of have to tell them 

956
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,040
that it's probably not the best 
thing because the community 

957
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,800
might not react so well to it. 
That is soul crushing. 

958
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,480
Like, you know how passionate 
people can be. 

959
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,000
Like, imagine being the person 
that has to tell this super 

960
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,280
passionate dev that really, 
really, really believes in what 

961
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,160
it is that they're doing. 
And, and other people believe in

962
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,440
them too, myself included. 
So I have to kind of like, say, 

963
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,200
you know, this baby that you 
just grew and that you really 

964
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,800
love and that you that you just 
want that you're so proud to 

965
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,040
show off. 
I'm going to have to kind of 

966
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,760
take it away and give you a 
different baby instead. 

967
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,240
How do you feel about that? 
Like that? 

968
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,280
Yeah. 
No, it's not good. 

969
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,800
Project's Daenerys. 
It's sad. 

970
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,600
Yeah, that that was that was 
sad. 

971
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,720
But it's, you know, we left. 
A lot in my mind. 

972
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,880
Yeah, there's been a genuine, 
there's genuinely been good 

973
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,560
improvements from that. 
So like, yeah, I was sad. 

974
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,600
But I think now looking back, 
I'm actually not so sad because 

975
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,280
we've we've got a load of good 
stuff from it. 

976
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,080
Like you've just seen Brazil, 
worlds have came out, there's 

977
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,680
other things that are going to 
be coming as a result of that. 

978
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,520
There's a bunch of tech 
improvements that were never 

979
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,920
possible before. 
So there was good even in the 

980
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,600
bad, which balances it out. 
Kind of a tangential question, I

981
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:24,800
don't know if you could tell us 
this. 

982
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,640
Are there dates announced for 
the summer sweep up? 

983
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,080
Not yet. 
OK. 

984
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:36,480
But you'll hear about them soon.
Oh, hell yeah. 

985
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,200
All right, sweet. 
I wanted to circle back to 

986
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,440
Chicago a little bit since we 
brought that up. 

987
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,360
I mean, I am beyond excited for 
Chicago. 

988
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,040
That's just going to be my first
ever Jag X event because I 

989
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,240
missed last Root Fest because I 
was Yeah, because it was. 

990
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:56,600
When was it was supposed to be 
in September or something and I 

991
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,880
was going to go to that but then
it got rescheduled in the middle

992
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,040
of a trip to the Philippines. 
I had and had already paid for a

993
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,640
year prior so I couldn't go to 
Rune Fest. 

994
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,480
So super excited for this. 
I know it's going to be an 

995
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,000
absolute blast. 
I'm really interested because 

996
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:20,680
Demon All Stars is a creator 
created event like this is solo 

997
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,440
missions baby. 
So I'm just kind of curious what

998
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:28,440
the process of having an in 
person finale for that looks 

999
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,240
like. 
Did you approach him and offer 

1000
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,200
it? 
Did he ask you, you guys? 

1001
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,240
Because this is, I'm assuming, a
very expensive thing to put on. 

1002
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,320
Look in his eyes. 
Eyes. 

1003
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,560
Eyes of terror. 
I, I, I have asked if after the 

1004
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:49,800
event we can be like 100% 
transparent on the books for, 

1005
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,760
for the event because I think it
would really shock people when 

1006
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,000
they see just how expensive it 
is. 

1007
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,240
Like I know there have been 
comments around like the prices 

1008
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:01,520
of, of stuff for it, you know, 
like tickets and merch and all 

1009
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,560
that kind of stuff in my car. 
They were expensive. 

1010
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:06,320
Yeah, I've. 
Made-up on three of them, so 

1011
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:06,880
you're welcome. 
Yep. 

1012
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,440
Yeah, I bought them. 
They were. 

1013
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,200
They're rough. 
Thank you guys. 

1014
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,000
I truly, truly do appreciate it.
And I think it is going to be 

1015
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,080
like a like no other event. 
And it is the first we've ever 

1016
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,080
done. 
I don't know if we'll ever do 

1017
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,120
another one because of it. 
But yeah, I would, I would love 

1018
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,760
genuinely to be super 
transparent. 

1019
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,760
And I've asked and I'm hoping 
that we are able to like 

1020
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,680
afterwards just to just really 
just show people what it 

1021
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,960
actually takes to make that 
happen because it has been very 

1022
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,400
eye opening. 
And there's probably a reason 

1023
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,320
why there's never been a room 
fest in the US before. 

1024
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:43,960
But anyway, the process. 
So like Dead Man All Stars is 

1025
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,560
and will continue to be creator 
first, right? 

1026
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,480
It's solo missions event and 
we're there to help support. 

1027
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,560
So when we were doing the 
previous Dead Man All Stars like

1028
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:59,080
season 2, we had discussions 
like pretty soon after, what 

1029
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,240
would we, what could we do to 
make the next one even better? 

1030
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:04,840
And it was kind of like a 
collaborative discussion in the 

1031
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,600
sense of what if we were to do a
live event and actually have 

1032
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,480
like a real life audience. 
And I think there was a lot of 

1033
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,960
skepticism at the time of like, 
it's never going to happen. 

1034
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,320
No one's ever going to care 
about it. 

1035
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,080
Who's going to want to buy 
tickets to that? 

1036
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,880
But we we then kind of like took
that and then ran with it. 

1037
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:26,680
So solo mission is very much 
involved as someone that we lean

1038
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,960
on to for advice and input. 
And he's like, you know, view on

1039
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,400
certain things, but the actual 
event side of it is something 

1040
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,440
that that Jag X have been 
organizing. 

1041
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,160
Well, Solo's been focusing on 
actually getting everything 

1042
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,880
ready and necessary with the 
competitors for the event and, 

1043
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,400
and all of that kind of stuff. 
So yeah, we'll have like, you 

1044
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,680
know, update calls with Solo to 
let him know how progress is 

1045
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,280
going and make sure that he's 
kind of like bought into it. 

1046
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,920
We're all super stoked, super 
excited, Very, very nerve 

1047
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,840
wracking. 
There's a lot of stuff going on 

1048
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:02,720
with with everything like, you 
know, visas and event logistics 

1049
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:06,800
and unions and all this kind of 
stuff that you would never think

1050
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,040
would have to be a thing and, 
and actually is. 

1051
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,120
So yeah. 
But no, it was like, it was like

1052
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,960
it started off as a discussion 
and then Jag X run with the 

1053
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:20,080
event side of it, solo runs with
the like the in person event 

1054
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,440
side of it. 
And he's he's advising us on 

1055
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:22,800
that. 
All right. 

1056
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,240
I'm going to say a number and 
then you, you make a face on 

1057
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,000
based on how close I am, $1 
million. 

1058
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,800
I I'm going to try and not react
because I want to say that. 

1059
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,440
OK, All right, All right, Yeah, 
there's. 

1060
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,840
So honestly, there's so much 
that I want to say, but this is 

1061
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,320
one of the areas that it's like,
if I say the wrong thing, 

1062
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,520
someone's going to be upset with
me when this goes live on 

1063
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,640
Friday. 
So I'm just going to, I'm just 

1064
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,880
going to say wait and and let's 
see if if I can get approval to 

1065
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,160
be kind of like open with it. 
I think it would be mind 

1066
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,800
blowing. 
So like to to, to put it into 

1067
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,320
perspective, Rune Fest, for 
example, is a not-for-profit 

1068
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,800
event. 
And we've said as much publicly.

1069
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,920
People don't believe it. 
And I can understand the 

1070
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,920
skepticism around that, but we 
don't make money off Rune Fest. 

1071
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,680
So if you assume that Rune Fest 
is a is a non profitable thing, 

1072
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:22,080
then imagine what something 
like, you know, the event in 

1073
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,400
Chicago is. 
So yeah. 

1074
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,640
I mean, that's that's a good way
to put it. 

1075
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:33,040
But I guess if if that's the 
case, why are you guys doing 

1076
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,240
this? 
Is it seen as marketing 

1077
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:37,520
community building? 
Obviously this is an investment 

1078
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,840
in some sense of the word. 
What is your goal in doing this?

1079
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,120
Yeah, I'd say, I'd say it's both
of those things. 

1080
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,760
Like obviously it's a marketing 
thing, right. 

1081
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,520
It's a marketing LED initiative.
We we've never done an event in 

1082
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,400
the US before. 
We've never done something 

1083
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,840
that's this scale with this kind
of audience. 

1084
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,040
So I think part of it is just 
seeing if it's actually possible

1085
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,520
and then you know, after it 
being possible, how successful 

1086
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,000
is it past the, the kind of like
costs and stuff. 

1087
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,320
But it's just about raising 
awareness. 

1088
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,280
That's what everything is in 
regards to marketing, though. 

1089
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,560
Ultimately it's it's to raise 
awareness, to be able to turn 

1090
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,840
around and say that we did this 
event that was a creative thing.

1091
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,600
Is, is just a cool thing, right?
We all think it's cool. 

1092
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,560
And that might sound just like 
too basic, but that's like the 

1093
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,480
reality of it. 
It's like, you know, we sat down

1094
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,080
and said, wouldn't it be really 
freaking cool if we did this? 

1095
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:26,880
They're like, why don't we see 
if we can? 

1096
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,360
And someone said OK to it and 
now we're making it happen. 

1097
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:33,960
I think that is really freaking 
cool. 

1098
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,440
That's that's super sick and I 
think that's something Blizzard 

1099
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,720
would never do. 
So shout out Jack X. 

1100
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,960
It'll probably be the most like 
it it'll be one of the top 

1101
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,720
streams on twitch that day for 
sure too. 

1102
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:49,600
So like in terms of exposure, 
you guys will be the Runescape 

1103
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,080
category. 
I mean like it's all going to be

1104
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,600
streamed right. 
I'm just assuming like why would

1105
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:53,440
it not be right? 
Yeah, OK. 

1106
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:54,320
I'm just. 
Going to yeah, I'd be live 

1107
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,560
streaming for people at home. 
And so you're going to have all 

1108
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,720
the audiences like Oda's, Oda's 
not going to be live, Bodie's 

1109
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:03,040
not going to be live. 
All of those audiences are going

1110
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,480
to have to go to your stream. 
That stream is going. 

1111
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,960
Runescape's going to be top 1-2 
or three category that day for 

1112
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,360
sure. 
I don't know. 

1113
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,120
I don't know the value, I don't 
know the monetary value of that,

1114
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,120
but that's pretty nice. 
If you guys tack on 22 minutes 

1115
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,800
of ads an hour you got to make, 
you'll make something. 

1116
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:23,480
Something back from it. 
Yeah. 

1117
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,720
Well, I mean, the other thing is
though is like, yeah, OK ads, 

1118
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:27,880
like that's another thing to 
even think about with the event.

1119
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,640
Like we don't want ads playing, 
but like you have to have ads. 

1120
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,040
So, you know, how does that work
and all of it? 

1121
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,560
But yeah, there's there's 
obviously there is some benefit 

1122
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,200
there. 
It's not a, you know, like 

1123
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,240
Jagged is a business at the end 
of the day, right? 

1124
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:42,600
I think everyone understands 
that there's got to be some 

1125
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:47,120
value and merit past it just 
being freaking cool in terms of 

1126
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,840
putting a number to that and 
materializing it. 

1127
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,920
I don't know, that's not my job.
Yeah, damn right dude, that's 

1128
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,240
starting your job. 
You do the fun part. 

1129
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,600
OK, I'm going to swivel a little
bit. 

1130
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,480
This is completely out of 
self-interest here. 

1131
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:13,840
It's about Raids 4 obviously. 
Probably the most exciting piece

1132
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,600
of content on the horizon. 
One of the most hyped releases 

1133
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,520
Runescape is probably ever going
to have. 

1134
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,080
Can you tell us a little bit 
about the process of designing 

1135
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,800
raids for like the things you've
learned from the first 3 raids, 

1136
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:29,360
other pieces of content, the 
general design philosophy you 

1137
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:30,680
guys are going to be taking into
it? 

1138
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:37,600
I will try my best but I'm going
to say that it would be way 

1139
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,840
better place for one of the 
designers working on the project

1140
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,040
or one of the CMS that is 
actually supporting it. 

1141
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,640
So like Mod Goblin is the main 
community manager helping with 

1142
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:49,800
raids because I yeah, yeah, 
please, please do. 

1143
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,280
And I can, I can like after 
this, I can gladly give you, you

1144
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,960
know, some info in terms of like
who might be good to speak out 

1145
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,680
and speak to for future casts. 
But like, I'm, I'm responsible 

1146
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,640
for like managing and leading 
the community team. 

1147
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,080
So my involvement is nowhere 
near as direct as it used to be,

1148
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,600
which is really sad, but it's 
just one of the unfortunate 

1149
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,760
realities of moving more towards
management. 

1150
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,400
But what I can say from my 
involvement with the designers, 

1151
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,400
because I still do talk to them,
is that one of the main 

1152
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,320
learnings for Raids 4 was that 
it's kind of like going back to 

1153
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,000
the roots of what made raiding 
feel good. 

1154
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:27,120
So TOA had a really good, it had
a really good like ability to be

1155
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,960
accessible. 
And anyone can try out TOA 

1156
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,560
really. 
Like if you go no implication 

1157
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,840
TOA, you can go there with like 
pretty mediocre stats in gear, 

1158
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,000
right? 
And you'll be able to pull off a

1159
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,200
completion. 
Yeah, it might take a bit of 

1160
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,600
practice, but it is what it is. 
And then obviously it scales up 

1161
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:45,560
really considerably, but the, 
the first thing was like, right,

1162
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,240
we, we want a raid that doesn't 
scale. 

1163
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,840
It's just like it was in top, 
like Tob was a heavy inspiration

1164
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,320
for Raids 4. 
I feel in that it's got to be 

1165
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,480
challenging and it's probably 
going to be the most challenging

1166
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:05,920
raid out there because you know,
we we don't have as much 

1167
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,480
aspirational content. 
So it's challenging for the 

1168
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,280
right reasons. 
The other part was that they 

1169
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,960
wanted it to be purely based 
around PVM like no, in between 

1170
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,240
rooms. 
It's just like one boss to 

1171
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,960
another boss to another boss to 
another boss to you know, 

1172
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,960
whatever it then may be it is 
final boss or whatever, and that

1173
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:31,520
was a very conscious decision in
the TOAI think it had for me 

1174
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,400
anyway, personally. 
My personal opinion is it had 

1175
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,800
way too many. 
Like I find TOA pretty 

1176
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,960
exhausting. 
I do two or three and I just 

1177
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,680
don't want to touch it again for
another week. 

1178
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,160
And it's just, there's just too 
much going on. 

1179
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,600
Even though it's not necessarily
difficult once you get the hang 

1180
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,120
of it. 
Like you, you, you have to do so

1181
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,080
many things and it's just, I 
don't know, but you go to TOB 

1182
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,440
and I could send 10 TOB's in a 
row and be like, OK, that was 

1183
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,040
sick. 
So yeah, it's about fun, 

1184
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,720
engaging mechanics, difficult 
encounters, pure PDM. 

1185
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:07,320
And yeah, that's kind of like 
the the thought process, at 

1186
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,400
least from my understanding of 
of what went into it. 

1187
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,240
You play a lot of Runescape. 
Do I play? 

1188
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,520
Yeah. 
Right now, to be honest, no, not

1189
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,560
so much. 
The to be truthful, the last 

1190
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,240
time that I played properly was 
like a round when Perilous Moons

1191
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,600
released and then I played the 
league after that. 

1192
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,960
Excuse me, but I've not, I've 
not played a huge amount since. 

1193
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:37,240
Not because I don't like the 
game, but I just kind of find I 

1194
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,160
find it quite unhealthy. 
If I spend too much time playing

1195
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,240
the game whilst working on the 
game as well. 

1196
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,680
I burn, I burn out and then I 
find that my work lacks as a 

1197
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,800
result of it. 
So I try to, I've tried to at 

1198
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,280
least be a little bit better. 
I also think truthfully that 

1199
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,920
it's really important to play 
other games and understand what 

1200
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,640
like other studios are doing and
experiencing. 

1201
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,560
Games and reminding myself that 
I'm a player as well so that I 

1202
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,040
know what to not do when it 
comes to our players. 

1203
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,680
And like, yeah, we don't always 
get that right, but that's part 

1204
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,400
of it. 
So I like to think of my my 

1205
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,440
endeavours in other games as 
market research. 

1206
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,600
Doing some market research with 
the Wow Guild tomorrow fellas. 

1207
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,840
Gotta go clock in for big. 
Yeah, and ironically, it is my 

1208
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,240
Wow raid night tomorrow. 
Yeah. 

1209
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,240
Have you ever done market 
research in Counter Strike 

1210
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:38,280
before? 
Before Jag X times, yeah I've 

1211
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,440
played a lot of CS2 CS go. 
Sorry, no. 

1212
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,800
Yes. 
OK, there there is. 

1213
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,880
There are rumblings of a small 
event. 

1214
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,120
I won't spoil too much. 
I don't know if you guys saw the

1215
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,320
IT was like the creator clash 
that we did for Counter Strike. 

1216
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,880
I think late last year with with
settled in a few people. 

1217
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,920
They're we're we're in the early
stages of getting V2 of that 

1218
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:09,000
going with some bigger and 
better names, potentially with 

1219
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,480
some real Counter Strike 
players. 

1220
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,480
Not going to spoil too much. 
Would you be interested in being

1221
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,160
on my team? 
Dude, yeah, 100%. 

1222
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,880
I would love to the the 
genuinely these kind of things. 

1223
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,520
I would this is where I'm like, 
I'm going to be like, oh, I'm 

1224
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,960
fanboying, but like I I love it.
I played on like skill specs 

1225
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,200
Rust server when he did that a 
few years back. 

1226
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,520
Some of that. 
I had it was so good. 

1227
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,080
And I would love if if more 
people kind of like considered 

1228
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,240
the mod team in that way of like
being accessible the same way 

1229
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,080
like a creator would. 
But that's like my like fanboy 

1230
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,640
moment, like oh, no, please. 
Yeah, consider us. 

1231
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,120
It's so fun. 
I would love to, yeah. 

1232
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:47,280
Right. 
Hell yeah. 

1233
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:48,520
All right, You're you're going 
on the list. 

1234
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,240
That's good to hear. 
Nice. 

1235
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,440
I will need to brush up though. 
But like, interestingly, my 

1236
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,880
first like exposure to online 
gaming was actually in the FPS 

1237
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,080
scene and a little a little 
flex. 

1238
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,680
Don't look, don't, don't think 
of me differently after this. 

1239
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:11,280
OK, All right. 
But when I was 13, I could have 

1240
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,080
been considered a professional 
gamer. 

1241
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:16,640
OK, do tell. 
Yeah. 

1242
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,440
Now bearing in mind this is 21 
years ago, so things were very 

1243
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,360
different back then. 
So I played a game called Enemy 

1244
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:29,880
Territory which was a stand 
alone online game that was built

1245
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,160
off of you know, you ever heard 
of a game called Return to 

1246
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,800
Castle Wolfenstein? 
I've I've heard of that, Yeah. 

1247
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,360
That's like an old game, isn't 
it? 

1248
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,440
It's really old and there's been
like a new game since then 

1249
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,400
called like, Wolfenstein. 
And it's to do with like, you 

1250
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,440
know, Nazi zombies or something 
crazy like that. 

1251
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,400
But this was about like Axis 
versus Allies. 

1252
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,520
And the spin off was like an 
online game anyway. 

1253
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,400
You played it in like 2V23V35V5 
in competitive mode or there was

1254
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,800
like public servers you could 
play with like up to 100 people.

1255
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,400
So back when I was like 13, the 
Internet was really just a 

1256
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,040
thing. 
You know, this was 

1257
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,400
revolutionary. 
And my uncle got me into it and 

1258
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,360
I got into a clan. 
I started playing a shit turn, 

1259
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,360
got really good at it, then 
started playing with a different

1260
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,880
clan that did like scrims. 
You know, we would practice 

1261
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,120
matches against people and there
was a thing called clan base 

1262
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,240
back in the day. 
And clan base was a way that you

1263
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,240
would use to track like your win
losses against people and there 

1264
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,640
were ladders that you could, you
know, enter onto. 

1265
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,320
And anyway, we ended up being 
the number one clan in the, the 

1266
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:36,040
summer clan base cup and then 
got invited into like this 

1267
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,000
summer clan base, like, you 
know, like professional game. 

1268
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,760
And my team we, the reason why I
say like I could be considered 

1269
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,720
pro. 
It is really just like a shit 

1270
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:44,640
flex. 
It's not true. 

1271
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:50,360
But like we we were sponsored 
and our sponsor back then what 

1272
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,560
that meant was I got a mouse pad
and mouse and they paid for our 

1273
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,040
server that we used for, for for
doing our scrims on. 

1274
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,880
That's pretty sick. 
That's the most thickest gamers.

1275
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:02,120
Make. 
Nowadays. 

1276
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,640
So you're doing pretty well. 
Yeah, it was. 

1277
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,360
Honestly wild if you've ever 
seen. 

1278
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,360
I think he used to cast. 
He ended up casting CS GO 

1279
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,200
tournaments, but a guy called 
toss pot, he actually casted the

1280
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,760
game that I played in in that 
summer cup. 

1281
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,080
We did abysmal. 
We lost in the first game and 

1282
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,560
got kicked out. 
But, you know, so, yeah, I've 

1283
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,520
always been a fun fan of FPS 
games. 

1284
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,680
That was the first one. 
And then I played a game called 

1285
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,360
like Brink, which was meant to 
be like this. 

1286
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,280
It's like a newer version of it 
that came out a few days later, 

1287
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:35,960
hugely into COD4 when that came 
out and played that on PC, yeah.

1288
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,720
If you could snap your fingers 
right now and instead of being 

1289
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:46,640
Mada Yuza you would be famous E 
sports player Mada Yuza, would 

1290
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,560
you snap your fingers? 
No. 

1291
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,640
What if you got paid billions of
dollars? 

1292
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,440
Yes. 
That was in bad condition. 

1293
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:58,560
That's on me. 
Now we know. 

1294
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,160
Now we know what he said doesn't
make a billion dollars at Jag X.

1295
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,120
He did not make a billion 
dollars. 

1296
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,600
He doesn't make a billion. 
Barely makes a billion dollars. 

1297
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,840
Yeah, but no, like I've tried 
the content creation. 

1298
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,840
So you know, when I left back in
2019, I did stream on Twitch 

1299
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:19,000
full time for like 9 months. 
And for like 5 of those months 

1300
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,120
it was really good. 
And then the other four months 

1301
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,920
were really bad and it made me 
realize that I'm, I'm just not 

1302
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,640
built for it. 
Maybe my situation was the wrong

1303
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,960
one at the time or whatever, but
yeah, it's, it's not the life 

1304
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,280
for me. 
I need some structure because I 

1305
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,240
feel like if I don't have 
structure, if I'm left too much 

1306
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:41,360
to my own devices, I'm going to 
stray off that path. 

1307
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:44,280
Insane dude. 
That's. 

1308
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,920
How many How many hours a day 
were you playing when you were 

1309
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,200
streaming? 
Well, this is where I'm talking 

1310
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,800
about like my situation now. 
So my, my ex-girlfriend at the 

1311
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,240
time despised the fact that I 
streamed. 

1312
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,880
She, she like, like, like, look,
I don't, I'm not going to, I'm 

1313
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,040
not going to, you know, bad 
talker because she was a lovely 

1314
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:05,760
person. 
And, you know, we, we, we 

1315
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,040
separated amicably. 
But, and it's, I would be lying 

1316
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,160
if I said that she didn't tell 
me at times that she hated the 

1317
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:15,040
fact that I like worked at Jag X
and loved games and play video 

1318
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:16,800
games. 
And when I was streaming, it 

1319
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,720
was, it was tough. 
So I used to do normal working 

1320
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,720
hours. 
I'd do like 9 till 5:00 and then

1321
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,000
I would stop and I wouldn't be 
able to spend the time in the 

1322
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,440
evenings like interacting with 
my community or making videos 

1323
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,360
and stuff. 
And it kind of just made it hard

1324
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:37,000
for me to be as invested. 
So I kind of like as soon as the

1325
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:41,640
numbers started dropping and the
doubts set into my mind, I was, 

1326
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,200
I knew I was done for at that 
point. 

1327
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:47,240
So yeah. 
Do you want to hear a really 

1328
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,440
depressing statistic? 
Go on. 

1329
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,040
OK, no, wasn't. 
An answer. 

1330
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:54,560
He seemed like he didn't all 
right. 

1331
01:06:55,600 --> 01:07:01,600
I mean, body language said. 
No, that has no bearing on me 

1332
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:08,200
saying it in a 2021 Gallup poll,
the three least attractive 

1333
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:12,840
hobbies for men as viewed by 
women #1 gaming. 

1334
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:14,920
I think we could have probably 
guessed that one. 

1335
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:20,800
Number two, gambling and #3 is 
magic. 

1336
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,720
Which sucks because those are my
three favorite things in the 

1337
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,120
whole world. 
I don't know how I made it this 

1338
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:28,640
far. 
I really don't I've. 

1339
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,840
I mean, some games mean all 
three, so like, you're 

1340
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:33,960
absolutely screwed. 
Right. 

1341
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,640
Literally dude pisses me off. 
Man, here, here's the thing. 

1342
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,920
I think, I think that that that 
statistics a little skewed 

1343
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,360
because I think gambling's only 
going to be there if your 

1344
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,960
partner sucks. 
Like I'm pretty fucking good at 

1345
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,800
it. 
So like, it's not that bad in my

1346
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,280
house, you know? 
Like you're Mormon. 

1347
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:49,640
I don't think your wife can 
leave you. 

1348
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,880
That's not even an option. 
No, I did get more actually. 

1349
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:01,120
God. 
Sorry, Jack Yaxy, he's just very

1350
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,400
well behaved, we promised. 
This is the part where if anyone

1351
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:09,040
from the studio that is above me
is listening like I had no say 

1352
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,560
in this. 
OK, he didn't. 

1353
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:12,400
He was silent. 
He was silent. 

1354
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:18,240
But the thing, fair enough, like
I can see maybe back then it was

1355
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,240
different, but like my 
girlfriend now, she loves the 

1356
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,439
fact that I'm a gamer. 
We play games together every now

1357
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,920
and then, it's fun as shit. 
She's not very good at them, but

1358
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,120
still fun. 
And yeah, she, she loves what I 

1359
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,680
do and it's super supportive in 
that sense. 

1360
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,279
So there's definitely different 
people out there right for. 

1361
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,120
That is the. 
Different views. 

1362
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,040
That's AW first. 
There's a healthy way to go 

1363
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:41,200
about it. 
It'd be different if we were 

1364
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,920
playing games all day. 
And not like, I don't know, I, 

1365
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,479
for lack of a better term, 
trying to monetize it like it's,

1366
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:51,840
it's we have taken this passion 
of ours and tried to turn it 

1367
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:57,720
into something that we can live 
off of and just that gives us 

1368
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,720
the ability to put more passion 
into it. 

1369
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,000
So I don't really look at it as 
like gaming in the gaming. 

1370
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,880
Like my friends play video games
and they finish work and they 

1371
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,080
game. 
To me, it's a lifestyle. 

1372
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:13,680
You laugh and like I honestly, I
respect it. 

1373
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,720
I, I think it's great what you 
guys do truly. 

1374
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,800
And I like, I think people also 
take it for granted how 

1375
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:21,960
difficult it is. 
And I know some people are going

1376
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:23,560
to laugh about and like, oh, my 
job's not hard. 

1377
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:24,920
I have the best job in the 
world. 

1378
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,560
Like, yeah, you probably do. 
But what other jobs would 

1379
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,600
require you to be working 16 
hours a day to be, you know, 

1380
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,479
successful in that sense? 
Like some jobs you could just do

1381
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,560
a nine till 5 finish at the end 
of it, not have to think about 

1382
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,279
anything else and you would be 
living an OK life, right? 

1383
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,760
But you're so involved, you're 
super invested. 

1384
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,560
It's, it's really admirable, but
kind of like effort, passion and

1385
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,600
you know, like drive that you 
have to keep going because I've 

1386
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,560
tried it and it's, it's, it's 
not that easy. 

1387
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,200
So yeah, now I just take two 
weeks off work and then don't 

1388
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,160
sleep for four days and play 
video games to shit ton. 

1389
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,960
Yeah, now I think that's an 
interesting discussion in and of

1390
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,600
itself. 
Like sick. 

1391
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:06,920
Weird. 
Ones not sleeping for four days 

1392
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:07,920
to play games. 
No. 

1393
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:11,240
It's not healthy. 
Don't do it. 

1394
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,040
Not not bad. 
Then why do you put out leagues?

1395
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,440
This is your fault. 
You're the reason I don't asleep

1396
01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:19,840
for four days like I. 
I've got a whole source somehow 

1397
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,600
man. 
Kind of insane. 

1398
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:25,760
No, no, I was. 
I was just talking about the the

1399
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,240
difficulty of certain jobs. 
Sicknard once saying content 

1400
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,600
creation is the the hardest job 
in the world. 

1401
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:36,080
He's both right and wrong, but I
think that's an excellent topic 

1402
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,960
to get into on the Patreon 
podcast. 

1403
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:43,120
Gamers, thank you for listening 
to episode 10 of the Beehee cast

1404
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:44,760
featuring Matti Yiza. 
We're going to move over to the 

1405
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,320
Patreon real quick. 
So if you guys are interested in

1406
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:50,480
that, you get a one week free 
trial that Yiza is going to 

1407
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:54,000
spill the beans that J mods. 
I don't think Jag X has access 

1408
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,320
to our Patreon. 
So you can say whatever you 

1409
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,280
want. 
It's actually totally free 

1410
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,560
reign. 
He's going to give us tips on 

1411
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,960
what to buy before the summer 
sweep up, he already told us. 

1412
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,000
Don't let them know. 
Or what? 

1413
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,240
Does oh, hold up, that sounds 
like a real leak. 

1414
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,760
God. 
All right, everybody, sell your 

1415
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,840
inquisitor. 
Thank you everyone for watching 

1416
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:15,960
very much. 
We appreciate it. 

1417
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,080
Mystery is it. 
Do you have any parting comments

1418
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:22,160
for the viewers? 
I just want to say like a huge 

1419
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,040
thank you to everyone for 
playing the game, being so 

1420
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,440
invested to the point where 
you've watched some extra 

1421
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:30,240
content about it. 
Listen to my rambles. 

1422
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,280
I'm sorry that there weren't 
huge amounts of chances for 

1423
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:36,240
questions because I just talked 
a shit ton, but I really love 

1424
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:40,080
opportunities like this. 
So thank you to to Tasty and T 

1425
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,160
Popper for for bringing me on 
and having me here. 

1426
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,040
Thank you to everyone that left 
awesome comments as well with 

1427
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:48,320
the questions that you had. 
If I get time, I'll maybe see if

1428
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:49,800
I can respond to some of those 
as well. 

1429
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,960
But yeah, thank you for for 
being part of it and keep being 

1430
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:58,080
awesome. 
But yeah, I don't know if you've

1431
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,680
got a cool goal in mind that 
you're working towards. 

1432
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:02,880
Let me know in the comments and 
don't forget to like and 

1433
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,360
subscribe a. 
Comment be good, I like that.