Wow, wow, wow. Ladies and gentlemen, good
morning. Welcome to the BB cast, episode
number 12. Today we have a very, very
special guest, dude, the snake himself, Mr. Solo Mission.
Thank you for joining us, man. How we, how we feeling?
I'm good. There's busy times obviously
with All Stars, but it's good. It's nice and sunny in the Uki
was just sitting in the garden for an hour getting ready for
the podcast, just chilling out, you know I want.
To get you. Yeah, you're so busy.
You're sitting in the pond in the garden for an hour.
Thank you for. Taking I was still think
thinking about, you know, concepts, so that's good idiot
working working. No, we do.
We do appreciate you taking the time.
Obviously you're a very, very busy man right now because we
are coming up on the Crest of Jag XS.
First ever US event, right? First ever US event.
Yeah, I I think so. I mean, they've done a stage.
They have a stage. It's one of the twitch cons like
ages ago, I think like 2017 or something like that.
But it wasn't like a big thing. I think it was like a small, you
know, like maybe because I remember I think it was like
NASAR and maybe Torvesto. It was one of the dead man's
when that when the dead man's were like a cluster fuck free
for all 2000 people getting DDoS modjed type situation.
It was just one of those, but not, not like not, not something
that they've put on individually.
And yeah, so it is. It is pretty unprecedented.
Yeah, we'll call it the first one.
I think that's fair. I mean, I got to ask, dude,
what's how are you feeling? Are you nervous?
Are you excited? Because this is a whole
production and it's got your name on it.
This is your don't don't say like this.
It is, dude. This is this is solo mission.
That's 2. Dollars a ticket so if it goes
bothers all on you solo mission. It's weird solo mission.
It's way easier to get mad at you and leave a comment on your
Twitter than Jag X. You're going to read some.
Jag X isn't going to. Know give you a bunch of Jags
like this is a solo mission event.
I don't know what you guys are talking about.
Turn on you that. 'D be so good.
Suddenly you don't want to be the heel anymore, man.
Suddenly now it's bad to be the villain.
Oh yeah, I mean, like it increases the stakes, but it's
it also like increases the excitement, right?
Because like I go into a rune fest is super cool seeing
everybody and like knowing that everyone's there for All Stars
is just like another level of like, I don't know, I'm so I'm
so excited to see everybody and see how it goes down.
But it's definitely stressful, it's nervous.
There are way more things to think about with the stage, with
land, with like even getting people to the US and all that
sort of stuff. Like don't get me wrong, Jag X
is basically responsible for most of the in person aspects of
this thing. But like, I'm still like a go
between between the creators somewhat.
And like, you know, they asked me for my opinion and stuff.
Like you said, if it goes wrong, I would feel bad.
So yeah, hopefully it's fine. How big is their events team
that they have putting this together?
Would you say it's you and how many other people like what's
this operation look like on the back end?
So I'm mostly in charge of anything to do with gameplay.
So I'll, I basically I designed the whole thing.
I'm the go between with the devs.
I basically tell the devs what I want from them.
I recruit all the creators, any stuff that we need for like the
gameplay size, like referees, all that sort of stuff.
And then like in terms of the in person event, like I've been in
talks with them since before season 2.
So like they were already looking, I think pretty much as
soon as modern N came in and I asked him at the RS25 thing, I
was like, it was pretty cool coinstall timing.
Like we behind All Stars of the US And he was like, yeah, well,
I was like, yes, bro, respect. So, so like, like, yeah, before
season 2, they were already speaking about like, oh, like,
what do you think about doing something in person?
And I was like, yeah, that sounds so cool.
And then see, Season 2 happened and I was like, oh, damn, I feel
like it could have been better. And then they were still like,
yeah, man. Like we're still looking at US
venues. Like Sweden is very heavily
involved. IESA.
There's someone called Mod Mermaid as her Mod name.
She does all like the IRL event stuff, like Rune, first the
Chicago one and then they, they also have an agency that deals
with like the actual on stage stuff.
So like I think these guys have run like CS GO events or, or
like it's some shooting game. Like I know nothing about games,
but they've they've done like they're the experts in that,
like Jaggi's on experts and like putting on a loud event.
Are they? So like I think they've they've
got they've got some other guys involved for that.
So, so yeah, it's a lot going into it and obviously all like
the the dev stuff is. We actually we had a user on and
he used to it was a user right? Am I?
Am I remembering correctly? Last week, yeah.
OK, cool. He's insulting.
Ayuza works for a, a company that did I, I guess the he
called it white labeling events. So like he, he worked for a
company that put on events for CS GO.
Like you'd have a, a rocket League.
You'd have no idea that his company was putting it on for
them. It was like CS GO branded,
Rocket League branded and. Yeah, there's like production
companies and stuff. I'm I'm the whole, the whole
elephant in the room is it's in the US like they're on the
ground. Like they have all the contacts
in the US. Like it's stupid to fly like
stuff from the UK there, isn't it really?
So like. I wondered about that.
That makes a lot more sense, yeah.
That makes that makes total sense.
You OK? So I I want to hone in on
something. You said Jag X brought this idea
to you. You didn't ask Jag X to have an
in person event. No, it wasn't my I mean it's
always something I've thought of like, oh, could you do some sort
of in person finale? But like I'm never going to be
the one to fund that, you know, you know what I mean?
Like like that they're absolutely going to be making a
loss on the event, like a lot a big loss because, you know,
putting up putting on a one time event in a country that the
company's not based in. It's just crazy expensive.
So so yeah, like I would I would never have the resource.
I've done like the rough sort of sums in my head of like, oh,
could you just do it on a shoestring in the UK somewhere?
But Even so, it's like, I don't know, like everything would just
cost so much to to do it myself. But yeah, it wasn't my idea to
do it. It was from them.
But like, hey, you're never going to say no.
I like my whole vision just coming to life and like an in
person arena could be crazy. That's got to I.
I understand it probably would feel kind of weird to go to Jag
X and ask for $1,000,000. I can see, I can see I can do
it, bro. I don't have enough good points
without just yet, but yeah dude. Yeah, well, that's, dude, that's
so sick. It's got to be, it's got to be
so cool to see that vision just come to life and actually take
the process from the start to the finish.
Are we going to see another one? We get another one of these
events. What do you?
Think I don't want straight after yeah, I mean what in terms
of AUS event or another demo All Stars we.
Talked about, Yeah. Well, here let me let me tweak
the question a little bit. Obviously people love IRL
Runescape events. Runefest is huge.
This is going to be awesome. Would you be willing to put in
the work to do this again for Season 4?
Yeah, I, I would be, yeah. Like it, it takes up a lot of my
time to add my All Stars. But at the end of the day, I've
sort of in my professional life, if you want to call it that,
I've sort of shifted a lot towards like doing All Stars.
Like I, I spend a lot more time writing up Discord messages and
emails and being in calls and all that sort of stuff instead
of playing the game and making videos.
And I've actually quite been, I've been enjoying that, to be
honest, as part of the reason I stopped, stepped back from
playing as well is it just gives me a different challenge of
doing something different compared to the same old, you
know, same old solo mission videos.
So I've actually been really enjoying it.
And yeah, I mean, if they if right now they were like, we
want to do another one for Season 4 and instantly shake the
hand. But I think we'll see how it
goes. Like they're making a big loss
on the Chicago event, even though it's pretty much sold
out. So yeah, we'll see.
Like again, I wouldn't want to ask.
Yeah, I was. I was going to say that this
this is now kind of like your Gellanor games, I guess this,
this in leagues. You obviously go insanely hard
during during leagues, but this is like this is your baby.
This is this is what you're known for.
What was the transition like going from a YouTube to an event
coordinator? Yeah, I mean, I I've always
loved the events like the Guilmore games, Battle Royale.
I've probably been in more events than anyone pretty much.
And I just wanted more good times.
So I was like, oh, why not? Just and because I do really
want a dead man, right. Well, typically dead man
leagues, that sort of thing, like bang out like 10 videos in
10 days, you know, you know, the solo mission formula.
And I was like, how how can I create more good times myself?
And I was like, why don't I just make a game mode?
I'm like, I just like I was just went from there with that and
and yeah, I mean, I'd say in season for season 1 and season
2, it wasn't taking up as much time, but with season 3 it
definitely has been so many more hours with the with the in
person thing. Everything has to be brought
forward planning wise. Like I had to do do the cast in
November because you know, like, can all these people make it to
the US? They were they wanted to shout
out in the winter summit. So like the time I got brought
forward massively, like I have like fortnightly calls with
Jake. It's about stuff and that
there's always something to like, you know, to work, to work
on continuously. I, I want this one to be really
good, especially because there's a like, there's an IRL finale at
the end. Like, I just wanted to make sure
that everything's water tight and it's actually going to go
well this time. Yeah, no, I can.
I can understand that one. I feel like when you started the
the The Dead Man Series, did you do it because you wanted to be a
participant or were you a bigger fan of just the tournament as a
whole? Because obviously this year you
step back and we can get into that if you want, if you have.
To get into that, I mean, So what originally, yeah, I would
say that I was creating it so that so that I could play.
I mean, I think I called it in my first first video about it.
I said I pitched Drag X, my dream game mode and they said
yes. And that that is pretty.
That is basically what went down.
Like, I wanted to play in this thing.
I my favorite times in Runescape were playing Dead Man's as part
of a clan, which a lot of people don't get to experience that.
But it was back in the days where you had one world.
It was back in the whole that, you know, the mod, yeah, like
the finale got didos, all the drama, whatever.
But like, but one week it's 2000 players on one world.
So things are contested, there's things getting locked down and
everyone in the team has a role. And I'm like, how can you
replicate that? And just make some, make some
tweaks and get it. So like, you know, it's a lot
better for a mass audience. Like there's no swapping,
there's no cheating. There's all, all that sort of
stuff gets removed. And yeah, I was like, in my
mind, that would be so amazing to play.
And yeah, it, it, it was more because I wanted to play it
originally. But like, as I've gone through,
I don't, I'm not really that bothered about playing for the
third one, the first. I'm not sad that I'm not
playing. The first one was 2000 people in
one world. No, no, not All Stars.
So so yeah, the that the dead man's back in the day what they.
No, no, I just mean, I mean the normal ones.
Yeah, yeah, the normal ones, yeah.
One world. What was?
No. So what they did was they had a
seasonal and then that was the qualifier for the what they
called the tournament. It's actually insane looking
back, by the way. So they'd have the seasonal and
then the season will close, the top 2000 people by total level
would move to the tournament. And then so three months later
there'd be a one week long tournament on one world.
Like it's and that's like that's only 2000 people can log into
that one world. So like it's insane.
Like the warriors Guild, like it's so packed, like
everything's super competitive. People are fighting over giant
mole quest locations, all that sort of stuff.
And then that that that those were the big finales every three
months, which sort of ended in 2019.
But what's even crazier is so they had that tournament and
then like as soon as the tournament ended, the new
seasonal started. And so it was like, I think it
was a great sort of great thing for for people to watch the
tournament. And then they're like, oh, damn,
I want to play. And it's like the greatest like
call to action at the end of the the finale for the tournament.
They're like the world's open right now.
You can jump to the dead man. That that that was the whole
thing that was going on from like 2016 to 2019.
Yeah. So that like there were some
crazy times and, and from a content perspective, like the
tournament was well, the content was that it was the seasonal was
like, I think it was just like for fun really.
And that's for like the the everyday person.
But I think the tournament is what brought the best, best
content. And that's the thing that I used
to enjoy the most and what I wanted to recapture because I
played in the clan Blazers that won money.
And you know, like all the drabas, all the personalities
involved in that. Like I think old schools a lot
smaller back then. So a lot of people don't
remember those days. But like, I think those those
are some of my fondest memories. Like the competitive side of all
those dramas. Behemoth would be going crazy at
those. Times we would have been eating,
dude, we would have been eating. Yeah, why?
I did want to ask, so this is your third season.
The first two you did play. In this one, you're deciding to
step back. What did you learn from your
first two seasons? Did that contribute to you
stepping back or stepping back? The season is more of a
logistical thing. I'd say so.
The the first two seasons I had to play essentially in in my
mind to make it like like my, the whole like like Jag X didn't
pay me some massive bag for like season 1, for example.
It's like, because it's like it's an unproven thing.
It's like I was making my money because I was playing and then
like put a sponsor out every single day and it's like that.
That's crazy good money for me, right?
It's like the whole thing was designed with me playing in
mind. Essentially.
It's how I set it up. And then season 2 like not, not
so much. Like, obviously things didn't go
well in Season 2. Couple of Rd. bumps.
But not so, so, so this this year, I'm not, I'm not stepping
back because I felt like it went badly last time.
I think I've played twice. Like, don't get me wrong, wrong,
it was really fun. But I always hear from everyone
at home like, oh, it's so good to watch, man.
It's so, so enjoyable. Like seeing all the POV's.
Some of my favorite conversations are at the end of
the week when I talk to one, one or two of the referees and
they're saying, like, you wouldn't believe how many near
misses there are where someone like people are on APK trip and
they don't check the one room in the Slayer cave for whatever
reason. And that's the room with the
guy. And like, you think there's
going to be drama about to go down and nothing happens.
And so I, I do, I do, I do want to experience a season as a
viewer. And there is the element of it's
going to be a lot easier to be to not to not compete, right?
Because there's, there's, there's valid points to be made
about I am designing the rules. I am, you know, I am making
decisions that realistically do give me some sort of advantage.
Like I, I wouldn't say maybe it's, I wouldn't say it's a
crazy advantage because I do talk to a lot of the other
competitors beforehand about the rules and go through, go through
that with them. And like, so for example, in
season 2 and season 3, I spoke to maybe six or seven of them
about like what I was intending to do to get feedback about it.
And change it based on the feedback.
But at the end of the day, I'm the one that's coming up with
the ideas to get feedback on. So like I there is a bit of an
advantage there. So it's it's it's not great from
a competition stance and I don't think I need to play in season 3
anymore. I think because I can do a
spectator stream it, it's viable for me to not play at this
point, which I think is perfect. And then the the other thing of
not playing is it means I could do some more cool stuff.
So like the the missions are, are my favorite feature in
season 3. I think they're going to be so
good. I think I think they're going to
be better content than the breaches will be.
And that that can't be a thing. If I was playing, I mean,
someone else could design them, but like that's, that's nobody's
job. Like that's my job.
My job is to design all the content in All Stars.
So because I'm not playing, it means that we can have these
surprise missions and, and all all these extra things, which,
you know, if I was playing, it would feel a bit, you know, I
couldn't do it right because I couldn't know what they were
going to be. So yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm not, I
think some people think I'm disappointed that I'm not
playing, but not at all. I I don't want to play.
I I definitely do not want to play this season.
I mean, maybe I'm just going to stop saying that there.
But like, I genuinely, I'm, I'm so looking forward to the
spectator stream. It's going to be me and pure
spam. Pure spam is actually coming
into my house. He's going to stay in an Airbnb
like 5 minutes down the road and we're both going to be sat here
side by side doing the commentary on the spectator
tools and they've been upgraded as well.
So I'm so looking forward to our role this this season and it's
going to be great. The servers are live for what,
18 hours a day? There's a six hour downtime.
Yes, so the, the Serb is live this year from 11 A 11 AM UK
time to 5:00 AM UK time. And then there's a there's a
down time to get everyone slapped.
It means more people will be on the world at once and you can
sync up with your team a bit more.
But yeah, we're we're going to try and be live for most of it.
But I don't I don't know. It's, it's a lot.
I think commentating on things is a lot more draining than just
streaming is. I don't know, I'm obviously not
a streamer, right? But when, if, if you're
streaming long hours, especially in like a team setting, like you
can be yapping to your team and stuff, but there's always going
to be something for us to talk about because we can cut through
30 different people. So we're going to, we're going
to be rolling in, rolling off and yeah, trying to trying to
hit a lot of hours. We'll be on for every single
breach and every single mission at the very least.
Yeah, it's going to be good. Who Who do you think is going to
sleep the most and who do you think is going to sleep the
least? Sleep the most.
I mean, to be fair that there is, there is still a playtime
cap this year. So playtime cap is effectively
14 hours a day, which like, Oh yeah.
So it's 120 hours, which works out to be 14 hours a day.
And there's there's technically what there is 18 playable hours
per day, but you can you can get really sweaty if you want to.
And, you know, I think that was a team.
And so in season 1, for example, like Mazar was like locking out
in between God was dungeon kills to like, you know, extend his
sort of like play, you know, you know that thing where you do log
out. Terrible.
Play time disgusting guy. But like but like even last time
I think everyone was a bit more cog because like in season 1 I
had people begging me to play more and the play time cap was
17 hours a day. Like what the fuck?
Like people, people go crazy hard.
But yeah. And the second people are better
about logging out, like, you know, that you can't log out to
go and eat your dinner. You don't have to sit there and
eat your dinner like, and play as well.
And so, yeah, that that there's a balance.
I think The thing is with the playtime cap, I have people
begging me to make it longer and shorter from both sides.
So I think it's about, it's about.
Right. What was it last season?
120 hours is the is the same thing again?
Oh, it's the. Same as last season, OK.
It's the, it's the same, it's the same again.
But I think it might be more difficult to hit it this season
because you have six hours of the day where you can't play
because there's like overnight shutdown.
So I think it that will make it a bit more difficult because
sometimes you, you, you're just going to end up being awake in
those shutdown hours for some for whatever reason, maybe you
can't sleep or I don't know, like you can't front load the
hours at the start of the week either.
So yeah. OK, when we go back to last
season, you guys were definitely the villains, obviously, right?
Like everybody hated you. For not like.
Not just the obvious reasons, sorry that came across.
Really blunt. So everybody hated that last
year. But like, OK, not, not for the,
you know, not not for the whole shenanigan with the phone, the
bro, when you guys just you guys were just better than everyone
else, like in your planning. I just remembered towards the
end the animosity really started to grow when you guys locked
down demonic gorillas. Oh, that was bad dude.
Bro, when you. Guys had demonic gorillas locked
down and everyone was mad in the comments every day and nobody
could get their Zen eyes and you guys just like watching everyone
else's PO VS of like how do they get like every other team was
trying to figure out how to get into that cave and you guys
didn't really let it happen. Like I don't I if I remember
correctly, like no one really got in and.
That was that was a couple like, yeah, so but that's like the
old, that's the old dead man spirit, like tapping into that.
And that's why I think it's entered.
It's more entertaining if things like that happen because when
they do get through and get as a night, it's a great moment.
Like when he lies at the G, you'd be like, oh, could drop it
like monkey nuts and shit. It's like it's creating content.
Like I I personally think that makes it more interesting.
Like, yeah, I'm you got to remember a lot of the feedback
is like, if people already don't like your team, they're going to
be like, yeah, it's so cringe, so cringe.
Like why are you doing that? Like cringe strategy.
But at the end of the day, it's no different to the smokes
locking down the temple of Icon, right?
It's like, it's like that meme where it's like the the the hot
guys like Oh yeah, so sweet. And the new ones like cringe all
of a sudden because they're Oakley or some shit because I
haven't fucking ate some already.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
It's the same shit, so. But yeah, like I think stuff
like that creates bit like more interesting moments overall.
I don't think it's good content if everyone just goes and gets
their gear and like they're just doing Slayer tasks.
Like if you want to watch that, it's available 365 days of the
year on Twitch. Do you know what I mean?
Like I think like having some animosity, having some tension
is good. It was great.
I loved it. There was real.
It was real palpable tension. Like there was real anger.
Like people and not amongst like obviously amongst the
competitors, right, But like the viewers too, like the audience,
just like you could feel it, dude.
It was so great. Yeah, but in in the words of
being the victim, I think he said it when we were considering
it. He was like bro, everyone
already hates us, we may as well secure the win.
I was not Fair enough mom. Oh my God.
So. Yeah, well, we so we did the
highlight videos last year as well.
We're coming back this year. Thanks Solo mission.
Thanks Jag X. And the sense that I got
overwhelmingly is that it almost felt like the viewers were more,
they felt a real sense of anger about a lot of things that
happened. I think the viewers took it more
seriously than the competitors. Like there is sure some slight
tension between the actual competitors, but it was, you
know, kind of handshakes all around.
Everybody knew it was content, but some of the dude, some of
the viewers, some of the commenters on the highlight
videos last year were like genuinely very angry and very
vicious. When you come across that, when
I think from your perspective from the creator, from a
competitor, it doesn't feel that serious.
But then when you see that kind of backlash come out from the
greater community, how does that resonate with you?
How do you deal with that? How do you process that?
Oh, it was really bad last year. Like, don't get me wrong, like
I, I wouldn't say I particularly enjoyed playing the week because
I felt like it was going to shit.
But at the same time it's it's, it's we were in such a difficult
position really. And I think I handle handled it
poorly as well. I think in hindsight, I should
have just taken a day off and just broken down everything that
happened it like that had LED up and just got all the facts out
there and and just taken a whole a full day off.
Like not like just AFK Ed something, but obviously I
didn't do I didn't do that. I mean it.
I mean this is this is another thing where it's like it's kind
of it's silly. If I don't need to compete, I
shouldn't because I can have more, you know, more of a voice
on these things and like, set the record straight and stuff.
Because so, for example, when like after the Tsar breach, when
it was all started kicking off, like I hadn't even slept at that
point and I was about to go like I was going to sleep, which like
was like the worst possible timing.
But yeah, it's, I mean, it's difficult because it, yeah,
it's, it's, it's, it's tough. So, so this year, for example,
again, I'm concerned, I'm concerned every year because
I've every single time I type about like we need, we need to
try and change the culture around this whole like stream
sniping saga, this drama, because like, it's the, like
it's one of the first things Chinese brings up to me
afterwards of like, like, yeah, that it's not great because
like, like there's so much negativity and like, and like,
like some like some of the people on my team, like they
just get like it. They like say, like none of them
were doing anything particularly wrong, right.
And they're just getting tons and tons of hate and stuff.
And the whole problem is you can never really tell if someone is
actually stream sniping or not. You just kind of I, I feel sorry
for data because I don't think I properly laid out all the kills
that we got, all the decisions that were being made.
And I think I should have done that.
I'm like, yeah, it's with the whole chat, the whole chat
dramas of like people saying stuff in the chat, a streamer
reading it, and then they they, they change what they're doing
based on that. That's a problem.
I think all these things are massive problems.
But at the end of the day, All Stars has to try and balance
like content and entertainment with competitiveness.
Don't get me wrong, like competitiveness, it, it does
drive entertainment and content. Like people love watching
professional sports because it's like it's serious thing and they
want to they just want to see the best people wearing.
But it's at the the same time the the entertainment side is
really important. And that's just that's the I
think that's the main thing of All Stars, like the them team is
more important than the competitive element.
Obviously always will be competitive, but this so this
year, for example, because I'm worried about it again, right?
Like I think there's going to be probably going to be tons of
drama again. Like it we're 2 for two with
stream sniper saw gears and do you know what I mean?
Like it's it's almost impossible to stop.
So I surveyed all the competitors and I was like, you
know, do you think these things are a problem?
Basically it's all come back with yeah, problem slash big
problem. But and then I'm like, OK, so
like, do you want to do this, this or this to help try and
solve the problem? And everyone's like, no, we
don't want to do that. Like we don't want to do like
any sort of like they don't really want to do fire only
mode. They don't do like any sub only
modes. They don't want to do any
delays. I'm like, that's fair enough.
Like, so, So like at the end of the day, I don't want to force
all 30 people to, like, do things against their will.
Like, yes, it yes, it would make the event more competitive, like
have more competitive integrity and all the rest of it.
But at the end of the day, it is for entertainment.
Like, yeah, it would make my life a hell of a lot easier if
everyone's on a 15 minute delay. But ultimately I just, I just
don't think it would be as good for content.
I just hope that people aren't being like dickheads and chats
and stuff like that because yeah, plus like what?
What ruins stuff like that? Like what?
I'm thinking of hosting other events in the future.
I'm thinking like, OK, I need to try and have the whole stream
snipe drama shit and not be any element of this whatsoever,
which is difficult because like the best, the best events will
be live, right? So.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's it's it is kind of
in a way like a really insurmountable problem because
there's hundreds of thousands of people watching this event.
Like the chances that someone goes into their favorite
streamers chat and it's like, hey, this guy is doing this is
100%. And the streamer, like I know
all the streamers are very much like, hey, don't spoil it.
They ban people that do it, but they're still going to do it.
It's a. Thing that's going to happen.
Yeah. And I like there's not really a
way to fix that that does not ultimately harm the
entertainment of the event, which is the most important
part. So if it's, if it's any
consolation, I do think the system that you're running right
now is probably the best one. There's going to be, I mean,
like drawbacks. Also like I and I do and I do
trust all the competitors like, you know, do their best with
like trying to not use the live information and all that sort of
stuff. So, so this year we've got
another thing that like I was like, guys, we have to do
something bro. So I was like, at the very
least, like we're like that. They're not, they're not the
competitors this year. They're not allowed to pull up,
pull up any old random clips to watch like on stream.
Because I was complaining about that last year of like, I think
there's like, you don't know how old the clip is until you click
it. So you could click, you can,
people are watching clips at like 2 hours old and that
technically gives them information that they shouldn't
have. So this year we're going to have
like, well, I mean, there's, there's debate at the moment
about what to do. So like half the competitors say
we don't want we we think that none of us should watch anything
ever. And obviously the other side of
that is like, I think I'm a bit more on this side personally of
I think I think you kind of have to let people watch some things
and that does help the content as well.
Like because like when a big moment happens, when there's a
really funny clip or something, like I think that it gains
traction and becomes like a big moment because people, other
people do know about it. Like for example, when Torvesta
killed ODA, right? Like the, the refs made it
because because obviously it's in every chat.
So they all know like everyone knows what's people, people know
what's going on because like, you know, it's like the biggest
moment ever. Like I don't want to in that
circumstance. The referee said, oh, like
Torvesta killed ODA. Here's the clip guys, because
like everyone knows what's happened.
Like you, you guys may as well watch it and if there's
something funny or like that, the highlight videos, there's
there's always because like you guys know from the highlight
videos that sometimes people they want something hidden
because they don't want the other competitors to see skills
bank goes yeah, same. Name out loud mode Aaron.
Example that that happens as well of you know, I don't know,
it's it's difficult and also like I know I trust people to
not cheat in terms of stream snapping, but like I think a lot
of people would just still watch the highlight videos off stream
anyway, Like I think like I don't know.
We make that good at videos they're going to sneak away and
watch. Them, thank you so much.
It's just like it's such a it's such a big thing and there's
such big moments that like, I think it'd be very hard for
people to resist the temptation or even like they open Twitter.
Do you know what I mean? They're going to get spoilers
like they're getting spoilers in the chats anyway.
I think a halfway House of only greenlit clips on the highlight
videos is a good way to manage that.
But. Yeah, we could have a Greenlit
Clips channel in the Discord. It'd be kind of cool.
Yeah. So it it would be stuff that
isn't really given away, like big strategy.
It'd be more like funny stuff or like earlier deaths where it's
like it's not as relevant anymore to what they're doing at
the moment. It's it's a tough like it's
again, it's that entertainment versus competitiveness thing
like yelling. Yeah, people could be locked in
a box like with absolutely nothing and that would be the
best thing for the competition in terms of competitiveness.
But I don't know it's the best thing for.
The good Mr. Beast video, probably.
Yeah. In a in a funny way, like a lot
of the competitive fairness that comes out of a dead man actually
comes down to the individual moderators of these twitch
streams. Like the mods have to be on top
of banning the people that are, you know, spoiling stuff.
It's so interesting. Like that really is the wall.
It's because the streamer's not going to, you know, like the
streamer's going to be locked in like they're never looking and
they're their streams are usually massive.
So the chats of Waterfall anyways.
And it really comes down to those mods like are the are the
mods of this individual streamer being good or bad?
And like that's, that's a massive line of defense in the
whole, I guess. Share.
I mean, I mean, you see it for a split, you see a comment for a
split second and then, you know, the information and people deal
with that in different ways. Like ideally they wouldn't act
on the information, but you know, you can't.
Like, it's hard to not to. Yeah.
What? Are you going to do?
It's so difficult to not do that.
And there's also other things that happen.
So for example, say, if like, say, if one team is waiting for
somebody to come and do a quest, the guy who's doing the quest,
like they see their view account go up by 2000 people.
So they're like, oh, why is my view account fucking and all
this sort of stuff? Yeah, it's it's tough.
And I think you, I've just got to ask the guys to do the best
that they can do. And I think, I think they do for
the most part. And it's the same thing about
like so last year, the whole thing about having the
directories pulled up, like multiple people have done that
in both seasons. And it's like the referees can't
kick somebody out of the competition for having a
directory pulled up because like, otherwise we'd end up with
like 4 four month, like, you know, 4 month teams on like most
of the teams, like most people, multiple people get got yellow
cards for that last year. So yes, a fucking nightmare.
I. Mean, Speaking of E sports, I
was I was watching a counter strike podcast.
I'm a big counter strike fan and that's also a massive issue in
land tournaments in counter strike where there's like 2 PO
VS one person's hitting in a smoke and the other person is
aiming right at them. They just don't know because
they're looking into the smoke and the crowd goes insane and
they start cheering and the. Person's like, oh they're
clearly right here and they. Shoot, and yeah, like the crowd
gives away information no matter what.
People wear noise cancelling headphones, but it doesn't
really matter because you can still feel it.
You know there's nothing you can do to prevent that.
And that's genuinely just become an aspect of land tournaments in
Counter Strike. It's like dealing with the crowd
the best that you can. There's there's really no way to
win in that scenario. There's nothing you can really
do. Yeah, I, I, I had a similar
situation when I saw I played on once on stage, once at one of
the on the, on the very last one of those dead man tournaments in
2019. And it's so funny because like
we just sat next to each other on stage and me and Curtis were
in different like alliances of clans.
So like in, in those all dead minds, you'd have like a huge
alliance of like a bunch of clans as a he was in the
opposite alliance. So I was just sat there in the
final area and been like, oh, well, I know they're not.
I didn't say it to my team, but I was like, I know they're not
coming because I can see this motherfucker screen.
Like I was like, I'm sure my good man.
It's just like scream looking that was actually not looking.
That's good, you little scream peeker.
But yeah, it's it's it's so difficult and it's my least
favorite part by absolutely miles.
But like most of the viewers are great about it and it's like
it's only going to be like a small minority that make it
shit. And yeah.
I think, I think last year, honestly, like, yeah, there was
a lot of animosity about the whole like sniping and
everything. From my perspective, the thing
that I disliked the most, which it seems like you fixed this
year, was the the food for the finale.
You guys were just like you guys were.
No one had a chance and. Now like I, I understand the
blood money is different this time.
Like I don't know enough about PvP to know like it like how
impactful this is going to be. Do you think the blood money
situation's like a lot better? Would you say it was bad last
year and that this year it's a lot better?
Yeah, it it was. It was it was bad last year and
it was an oversight. So so last year the thought
process going in was we had like it was already reasonably, it
was just, it was just punishing for deaths in season 1.
And like massive feedback was like, it needs to be
incentivized. You need to incentivize,
incentivize kills because like that's more interesting.
So it's like, OK, like we're doing, we're doing both, both
ways. And it was, yeah, it like
obviously in hindsight it was way overtuned, but it's going to
sound salty. But I think part of the problem
is what with season the season 2 food things is like getting a
piece of a food in the finale is such like an intangible benefit.
Like the matter last year was like, why?
Like you should, you should be going to kill people like a lot,
a lot more than people were really like people.
It's, it's, it's insane to me that people were still doing so
much PVM at the breaches when they could just go kill somebody
with 22 hit points. It's like, yeah, but I, I think,
I think we ran those exact same rules back again.
I don't think you'll be anywhere near as bad because I think
everyone would get it and they'd get it from the very first day.
But obviously people they'd yeah, it was, it was, it was, it
was bad. It was bad.
And that's why we've changed it to be the blood money.
The blood money is not. So the advantages will be way
less. It'll be it's about 1/3 as
impactful now all the kills as last time, which worries me
somewhat because I'm like kills were so good last time and
people still wouldn't kill each other at some of the breaches.
They still were clicking the monsters.
And I'm like, how much more incentive like everyone's like,
yeah, like kills are way too OP. But then people still will click
the monsters on the Oh man. I think yeah, it's, it's
difficult. So I think I think this time
it'll be OK. I see.
I think the breaches are just going to be an absolute PBM fest
this time because the kills on as incentivised as last time,
but I would say it's that's OK because I think you'll get a
hell of a lot of PvP from the missions.
So the the problem that a lot of the teams have is they they're
actually really scared of getting third partied.
So like they never want to initiate a fight.
So you have you have two teams fighting and then and then you a
lot of the times inevitably another team joins the fight and
these two teams are kind of like fucked because like now you've
got even 2. You're 5050 if I'm two teams on
you. So no one wants to be the the
team gets their party. So like that stops a lot of
people from initiating. And that's why I don't think the
breaches will be as PvP heavy this time, especially without
the incentives. But the, the design of the
missions, the missions are designed to change that
completely because of the mission totem, right?
There's never a reason not to attack the guy with the red
skull. So like when you pick, when you
complete a mission, so that's like for people that don't know,
you complete a mission, you kill a monster, you kill a boss, and
then it drops a mission totem to people.
The person that does the most damage when you pick up that
mission totem, everyone knows who's picked it up and they have
a red skull above the head. And so in that in that instance,
there's no why there's no reason not to attack that guy.
So that there's no like, oh, we're scared of getting third
party because anyone that comes into that room is going to
attack the red school guy, right.
So like, I think it's going to be a lot more positive and PvP
first in the missions this year. And then.
Yeah. And then who whoever manages
manages to bring the totem back to the Grand Exchange gets a
reward. So that's how the mission system
works. Is is actually inspired by I
remember back in bounty into craters in like 2008, there was
a video. So they used to be, they used to
be completely multi and clans would sit in the middle of this
crater and people would teleport in and just get smashed by by by
by by the team in multi. It's so imbalanced.
It's just crazy. I always remember watching as a
kid this video. So like back in the craters,
they also had the things where in the recent dead man, it shows
the value of your loot above your head.
That's the color of the school. That's what it corresponds to.
I always remember somebody teleports into the mosh pit,
they get killed for a Sara sword, which gave you a red
skull. And then like how it was back in
there, there's this clan in the middle.
Like it's my clown. I'm like loosely associated, you
know, loosely associated people. And then someone picks the
person who gets the loot, picks it up, they get the red skull
above their head, so they have the Sara sword.
Someone's like fuck it, jump on them.
So they jump on them. He dies, the next guy picks up,
he makes it a few more steps to the exit, he dies and and like
that, that's the sort of inspiration for the mission
totem system. And that that's the way I see it
going of like especially like the the hat, the tier one
missions where it's like it's going to be something good
that's coming from that. And it's like, why the hell
would you not attack the guy that has the really good thing
essentially is is the design so that I think the missions will
be very PvP centric. The breaches probably less so
because the missions will be so much PvP.
So still a lot of excitement even though the incentives are
diminished. It's just a different way to
incentivize people to attack each other.
Watching last year the teams. Definitely when they rolled up
to those breaches, they wanted to PVM they they didn't really
want to and I guess to like what you said, like you knew because
you made the rules that like you want to kill there.
And so that's like one of those advantages.
Yeah. I mean, I mean, it wasn't, it
wasn't a. Secret I was I was I was telling
people beforehand like I want to balance this.
So it's almost it's more worth going into a breach aggressive
than it is to kill the monsters. But I mean that, that, that
obviously that there's, there's counter arguments to that of
like, well, it's all well and good saying that if you've got
the strongest multi team or if you have the best sigils or
whatever else. And I and I get that.
But like there's definitely there's definitely instances
where like it was absolutely matter for some of these teams
to attack each other and they just didn't.
How did that one Varlemore breach feel when everyone was
after you guys? That she was so funny.
That was that was maybe my favorite moment of that was so
funny. And if we're talking about
entertainment first, right, things like that are absolutely
perfect. Like that's the moment that
everyone remembers and that moment is so good because
they're what there, there is the drama leading into that.
And, and don't get like I, I know that like I know that we,
we're like enemy #1 like Apatow, everyone just hopped on us when
they saw us. Like, but I like we need like we
need to go to the breach because eventually we need to give
people that moment where they do actually get the kill.
And like that, that was just such a, so I was, I was a man.
I I think some of, I think some of my teammates were a bit like,
oh fuck sake, it's so cringe. Like that's gonna be even
better. Dude.
They were so butt hurt. Your teammates were so butt
hurt. It was so good.
It was so great. But like inside I was like, OK,
that's it's a, it's a good thing that happened because it gives
people that release and that, that's like the pay off, right?
It's the pay off of the show where the bad guy dies and that
that's the moment everyone remembers.
It's like people's favorite moment from season 2.
So it was a great moment. Fond memories.
I mean, I didn't. Die.
So hey, maybe I would have been thought if I actually died.
I just left my guys with that. But yeah, the stuff like that is
amazing. But there's obviously a line
with all the drama and stuff. I I, I couldn't believe, but I
couldn't believe it was, I think it's Evscape tweeted out like
Hitler Daddles, you know, whether, whether I love those
words. I thought I was going to that
drama gone that shit. I didn't that shit got like 3K
likes on Twitter in like 10 minutes.
I'm like, oh, Oh my God, this is going crazy.
And that was just hot. I was like, I thought Twitter
was dead. It was like, oh, she's nuclear.
But yeah, that was absolutely. Hilarious.
Yeah, dude, the missions. Extremely excited for those.
I think that's that and the blood money together.
I think you've made some really good changes to the season.
I think like honestly, I understood the gripes with the
the food and the incentives to kill last year in season 2, I
thought maybe what detracted the most from the finale was the
sigils. Everyone loaded up on that tank
sigil or whatever that was, and I think from a viewer
perspective, it just looked like people kind of poking each other
until they ran out of food and then there wasn't really a lot
of KO potential, which is why the food became such an issue.
Yeah. I mean, I think the sigils in
the finale was a mistake as well.
I mean, it's difficult, right? Because I think every season has
to be different otherwise it's just boring.
That's what killed the original dead man and sigils was like an
obvious thing to do. The the tank having the tank
sigils in the finale was definitely a mistake, I think.
But it's it's it's it's hard, right?
Because so if I, if I, when I tell people that Rampart wasn't
even the best sigil, they'll be like, what do you mean?
It wasn't it's 100 range defence, but like adroit was the
best sigil. People who left that in the
bank, like they didn't even use it like it it, it gives you it
gives you 1% accuracy. It gives you 1% accuracy about
every hit point that you're missing.
And bearing in mind in these fights, you don't be on like 60
hit points. So you get 40% accuracy in PvP
from the sigil that like maths wise that is definitely better
than Rampart was, but that wasn't really talked about.
And I like before when I, when I was thinking about which sigils
to ban, I, I banned some ones which on because I did the maps
and stuff and like the ones that were really OPI banned them.
There was like 3 ones. There was one which recharged
the hit points really quickly, ones which like gave you, you
know, you gave got extra hit points when you ate a food and
stuff like that. And like Rampart was not create.
It wasn't out of line with the other top sigils once I'd got
rid of these three really good ones.
So like I was like, OK, it's not really that much of a problem.
Like getting Rampart is like getting some a good item.
It's like getting, you know, like ancestral ropes up.
It's just part of the game. But in hindsight, like having
tank stuff on, people didn't like it.
And I, I, I, I agree, I think having sigils in normal O7 PvP
is pretty balanced as it is, But when you put sigils in there,
you, you start to unbalance that, especially if people
aren't making the best choices about what gear they're giving
each person and what sigils they have on each person.
So for example, for me, like I was fighting West Ham who had
like AVLS and really melee heavy sigils.
So like it means that the skill needed there for me to win, but
the best strategy is just to run away out of melee range and like
do a range mage fight against him.
Like every single time, like I'm on frozen, I'm I was sprinting
away and that that's not very, that's not skilful.
But that only really worked because he went heavy on his
Malay sigils. And like, like we, we both had
rampart, but like I just had to run away from his VLS
essentially. And I and I, I think I think
it's better if the finale is more skill based than the sigil
stuff. I mean, people do love the the
sigil people. People are mixed.
I think some some people like the fact that like, you know,
you can choose good sigils and, and be smart and get an
advantage by the end of the day. I think people just want to see,
I think more people want to see raw PvP scale, especially
because we're like we're so starved for that sort of stuff
nowadays. Yeah, people.
People want to see blood. Yeah, I think, yeah.
Now hindsight is 2020 on that one.
It's 'cause I feel like you can work out all the math that you
want and you are correct. But I think there's there's like
a psychological phenomenon where I think competitors do their
best to play it safe in the finale.
Like they are taking the lowest variance setups, which, you
know, Rampart was obviously a part of.
I think people are probably afraid to take a Droid and then
risk sitting on, you know, 6050 HP the whole time.
Yeah, I mean. I mean, this year it's like,
yeah, people were tanky last year, but there also was
offensive sigils. Like people are still United 9
defence with Barrows on, right? Like you see you're still pretty
tanky. Realistically, main fights are
reasonably slow paced as it is. But but so this year we've like
fully, fully heard the feedback. I'm like, yeah, it was an
oversight having the tank sigils in there.
And that's why I brought in like a vengeance trinket that you can
buy for blood money this time. So like more potential for
someone to get code a match is never really over because
somebody could time avenge and expect together and get that KO.
So yeah. And and the the food stuff.
Yeah, the food stuff I just changed, sorry, just to get back
to the the blood money thing of getting an extra food in the
finale. That was such like a intangible
incentive. But saving up the blood money to
buy a VLS just sounds so much more appealing.
And I was like, we have to get that VLS, even though on paper
that's nowhere near as good as getting extra food, like
compared to Season 2. I think just the psychological
thing of like, we don't have a VLS, let's go and kill some
people so that we can secure that VLS.
We'll we'll actually be more of an incentive, even though like,
realistically, if you could choose, you would always choose
to have the Season 2 incentive over a 40 queen VLS all over.
Yeah, yeah. VLS is fucking cool though.
So that's super important, you know?
Yeah. And.
It's also the element of now if you're getting unlucky at the
breaches and you've been a good team and you've played well,
like it's good that you have sort of like a non RNG way of
securing that BLS. So I I I do.
I do quite like that with the blood money system this year.
Oh, the venturing it only. Has two charges too.
I'm looking. Yeah, the Venturing, it has 2.
Charges and that the reason for that is, is because it's to make
it so it's more about timing your spec to go for KO because
if it was infinite charges, you just click that share soon as
it's up and use it for DPS and it's not as interesting really.
I like that. That's the main reason the 11
change that's got. Me nervous is I don't I mean I
don't know why I'm nervous, but I am It's just it sounds scary
the no safe zones besides bro bro.
Bro, I like that. I like that I'm a big fan.
Who's? Shutting down.
Defenders, you know, like, Oh my God, it's, there's so much,
there's just it that's going to change.
That's going to change a lot. That's going to change so much.
I think like from last year, it's terrifying.
And now from the missions, everyone's running to the same
spot. Like it's not all these safe
zones spread out all over. Everyone's meeting at Varrock,
and there's only a couple entrances in, you know, like,
you can count how many ways you can get into that safe zone.
Yeah. The no safe zones thing is that
that was what I I'm always on the side of more PvP is good,
more people dying is good, more people killing like killing each
of it is good. And it's actually the
competitors that are often on the other side of that of like,
you can't make it too savage, which is like always surprising
because like they're more P Often the people I'm talking to
this about are more PvP is the main and their their feedback
tends to be like, but like people get slaughtered.
Like it's like, you know, people are going to quit and stuff.
But it's it's more I'm always trying to make it so like, you
know, actually fighting is the way is the way to go.
And I think no safe zones are such an easy way to do that
because at the end of the day, all all the people playing in
this competition doesn't matter if they're first pick, last
pick, whatever. They're all really confident
with dead man mode. Like they don't need to have
safe zones. And it just means that it
increases the chance of people having a fight anywhere in the
game. Like all all the dead man
matters are flipped like like I like I said in the video, the
warriors Guild like the stronghold slay Cape is not
right next to a safe tone anymore and a lot of the early
game stuff is is going to be spicy now.
So I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, I.
I'm. I'm on your side as a spectator.
I'm on your side. Yeah.
I don't have. To deal with the emotional.
Trauma. Yeah, like, like, like,
obviously. Obviously there's a point and
this was I, I thought about this a lot going into Season 1,
because in Season 1, I think in hindsight you can be like, Oh
yeah, All Stars. Like it's crazy big.
Like obviously everyone's going to play loads of hours.
Obviously everyone's going to commit loads of time to it.
But like before signing up, it, it wasn't really, you know, I, I
wouldn't, I was worried that people like, people might get
demotivated and then just quit like after three days or like
the team just sort of throws in the towel a bit.
Obviously now that's not really something I have to worry about
because no one's quitting when they're getting like five times
the normal viewers on Twitter, Charlie, you know what I mean?
It's all part of the good. That's a good one.
I'm I'm glad you give. Us the highlight videos because
it's an excuse not to stream that week because streaming that
week is awful. Like I you know what to say all
the if you're not in the All Stars, it's like it's that one
meme of Squidward inside looking at Patrick and SpongeBob having
fun. True.
Yeah, dude. My my plan is to go.
Live right before the servers go down, so I got off.
Yeah, you can scoop. The host that's actually genius.
Won't people sleep at all but. That's that's OK.
Yeah, you and every other. Stream, but that's not in it.
Yeah, Speaking of. Do you have a question T Papa, I
was going to pull one from the the sheet that I really.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I got one. I got 1.
So we look at last year, you guys, you're I mean, honestly,
in every competition you're in, you are the snake.
You have, you know these ideas and you do execute them pretty
well and you're you know, you've won some things Guilder games,
dead man. When we look at these captains,
we have Dino West Ham framed Reese perp and Otablock.
We don't have the teams yet, right?
The draft has not happened at the time of recording this.
When you look at these captains, who do you think is the next?
Solo mission like. Who?
Who's going to be this captain? That next solo mission?
You know who is the next. One when I think about it, I'll
I'll share what I think. 1st and.
Then I I want to hear what you say, obviously, I think.
I I look at. Man really sorry framed recent
perp but I look at ODA block, West Ham and Dino.
It's going to depend a lot on the.
Draft with who ODA Block takes 'cause he's pick, he's taking
pick six and seven. He's on the back end, but I feel
like, you know, he's dastardly enough that he could be the
snake. And then we know Dino is first
pick and he's going to have Bodie on his team and like he's
already set. Like he said, he's taking Bodie.
He just yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like he's he's put out there.
Dino's taking Bodie. So you have Dino and Bodie on
the same team. That's who I think is
terrifying. Although it's a snake draft.
Ha ha, that's pretty funny. So they don't get it till they
don't get a pick again. Till Dino gets picked one in 12
and then West. Ham.
West Ham is very. Conniving.
So I just I got tossed West Ham in there.
I don't know enough about Reese. I don't see framed in perv for
being the snake. Anyways, that was all my
thoughts that I've gathered about these captains, but by the
by the snake. Do you, are you talking about
who do I think has the the biggest odds as a captain or
like, yeah, yeah, like who? Who's, like, really thinking it?
Yeah, who's thinking it like? You are because you gotta, you
know, you have to. The planning needs to be
mischievous. I think the planning can't.
It can't be brute. It's gotta have some finesse.
I think the. Captains ODA will just do
whatever the guy the plans his route like tells him to he'll
just rock up the day before and read the plan.
I know that guy like once he gets off stream where he just
goes, he hangs out with his family, which is fair enough.
He's not the one to be like sweating on the test worlds.
But like I think that the main people that like will cook some
sort of like sea engineer pep, I think Reese, those types evscape
foe and I mean we've got access to the test worlds now and I
have access to the camera tool so I can spy on people and see
what they're doing. And it's all the all these sorts
are on like they've had quite a lot of time to already think
about like what they would do. But I think I think I think it
would have been C engineer was like the architect of like them
locking down the temple of Ikov with a limp work roots last
time. He he's got that cheeky PP
hardcore. I am on early, early game
getting kills and stuff. I think Pharaoh, yeah.
Pharaoh Reese, those guys get a brain.
He's got he's. Got a big brain on him.
Thing he's had C engineer 5. Times.
So C engineer is a good pick then?
Yeah, but The thing is though, we're see engineers like if
you've seen that clip of him trying to tell he block
somebody, like, well, the law is where he missed clicks like 400
times. I don't know if I could ever
draft him after that. Bro.
What's that going to be like on stage?
But yeah, I think I think if the captains, I think probably Odor
and Reese will want to win the most, I would say because Dino
and West Ham have already won, right.
I know Reese is like super competitive sweat Lord kind of
guy. And like I think Odo just really
wants to win, like, because like I think he'll have the most fans
in the audience and that I may be slightly biased that I I kind
of would want to see, you know, to win because I think the crowd
would go crazy or like 80s would want.
Yeah. So but like Reese is like my
best mate from Runescapes. Like I would kind of want him to
win as well. I like all the captains.
So I don't really have like, I don't play favourites like that.
Like yeah, very political answer.
OK well in in that same vein there was a viewer submitted
question that I really liked and I want your thoughts on how much
of winning Dead Man All Stars is actual PvP skill and how much is
leadership, delegation, scouting and keeping egos under control
Keeping egos. I I think so.
There's been season 2 seasons, right?
And both seasons, the best team in multi, the team that
everyone's scared of in multi has won because they can just
run around the breach doing what they want.
Like they're the ones that initiate the fights, they're the
ones that people scared to take on.
The Nuggets had the control most of season 1 than it was last
time. I think people really
underestimate that element of it, especially with missions
this year as well. I see.
I think people get way too focused on the one V1 ability at
the end. I think that time this year that
won't matter anywhere near as much as the previous two,
especially being on stage, you know, even things like, you
know, you'll be extremely nervous.
You you're going to be on a different chair, different desk
height, like you know, you're on a different PC.
Like you're never going to play your best.
Like he's like whenever I've been to a play test, like I feel
like I'm a bit shit because like I've got my keyboard and mouse.
But like you, you never play at your absolute best when you're
not on your setup, right? It's just unfamiliar environment
for some of these guys. That'll be the first time they
ever go just like a big event, like just period.
Like some of them haven't even been to a rune fest or anything
like that. That's a a daunting experience
in itself where like, you know, people know you like how many of
them have walked out on stage and have more than 20 people
like 4000. So I think I think it'll come
down a lot to how people perform on stage.
And I just don't really think there's a way to gauge gauge
that personally, other than maybe some of them have a bit
more experience than others. So some the people that I've
been around forever, they've done a lot of stuff.
So like MMORPG he's played on stage look more than anyone else
because he used to be in all those old dead man's.
I think he'd be pretty like he he'll get he'll get picked low,
but I think he could get give gig of value because I think he
he'll be more familiar with the experience booty people like
that. I think they are.
They are going to be going above where.
But what isn't like giving more value than you would have got
out of them in previous seasons? Like because you've got you've
got, I don't know. It's just it's very it's a very
strange and like potentially overwhelming experience for
these guys to even go to a venue where everyone knows who they
are. And that might be the first time
they've had that like a real, I feel like it's a little bit
overwhelming at Rune Fest when like, you know, like I was like,
oh, you're solo. Like like it's great.
It's don't get back. It's great and it's lovely to
see everybody, but like you don't experience that in your
everyday life. So like if, if they're having
that on the day that they need to turn up and compete and
everything like that, that, that, that their mind might be a
bit all over the place. I don't know.
Especially if there's a, there's a camera like zooming in on
their hands and shit. Like we're going to see some
earthquakes. We're going to see some
earthquakes on stage for sure. Oh, there's going to be some jab
hands. Do you?
Who do you? Think's going to be.
That's what that's why I'm not playing for.
Because who do you think it's going to handle?
That well and who's going to who's going to crumble?
Do you have any predictions I. I?
Think yeah, I think I think I think people like boutique
people have done lots of stage work and like, like the guys
have been to reinvest at times and I think that they're the
best place, place to handle it. And there's some evidence in the
past from people who have like done decently at these things.
Like Rakesie was pretty good in the PP All Stars.
I know it's like years and years ago, but like who will handle it
badly? I know Skiddler says that he's
like a turbo shaker, but he did really well on the finale last
time. So maybe maybe not so much
anymore. I am so I know, I know some of
them because we were talking, we were a meal last night and some
of them were talking about it because I'm like known, known
for shaking and stuff and it's from adrenaline.
It's like for some reason it just goes to my hands.
Like it's not like a being scared or nervous necessarily.
It's like sometimes even like excitement in a way.
Like when I used to watch like poker and stuff and like like
read about it. It's like sometimes when people
get a really good hand and they know they're going to win money
or they know they're going to get a big stack in a tournament,
they don't, they'd be more likely to like shake on the way
in because they've got the adrenaline going.
And it's the same thing with performers and like music
concerts, like if you're in an orchestra, like people can be
like shaking because like they've got, they've got the
adrenaline and people take, what's it?
Propranolol is like a anxiety medication thing.
So, so I, I, I actually got, I actually got some for the
doctor, but because people, people use it for public
speaking as well, I'm pretty sure.
So I got I got some for the doctor and I took it for all the
games. Oh my gosh, you're you were
talking about these, bro? Yeah, we were talking about
toasting. We were talking about that
yesterday and we were just laughing like, are we going to
get everyone to piss and a cunt before before they but like, I I
think I think some people might, might, might, might take some
stuff like that, but I don't know how how good that actually
would be. I, I, I, I, I, I don't know.
I, I, I don't know until you're in that moment.
I just don't think you can really tell.
I'm bringing a bag of. Adderall and Xanax to sell to
the competitors. I'm going to get skill specs.
Skill specs is probably just going to be high as a kite, bro.
He's going to be performing at his usual best.
He's going to be chilling. It is legal in Chicago.
Skillly so you're. Yeah, exactly.
Good luck. We had Evie on and he.
Was talking about how so many of his bits are planned and I'm
just thinking dude when you guys are on.
Stage you could. Have a really good planned bit
where you like? Cut to Odin and his feet are
kicking under the desk. I I feel like Evie is the type
of guy to have some crazy clip phone ready for like the live
event. Like I don't know, maybe try
some crowd surf or something. I don't remember each of us on
the Patreon or off. Recording, But he told us a lot
of the bits he has planned. There's he's got a lot.
I'm looking for it. Very spotless.
Very. Spotless.
I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, it's going to be good.
OK, a slight turn. Not really, but Factions Banger
loved it. That was fun.
So my one thought.
Is are, are we going to do factions again?
OK, let's just hold on. Hypothetically, we're doing
factions again. What about?
I'd be.
I'd be dancing with that again, yeah.
What about factions into? Dead man mode instead of what
was that, the Summit? I feel like factions into dead
man mode would be like, that's so high.
That's like the real dead man servers go live, everyone's
watching, everyone's getting excited, boom, dead man mode.
Was that ever brought up? Or at all with factions.
A lot, a lot of the time pitching these.
Events, it's like if Jack's going to put budget and like a
bit of dev resource and whatever towards it, like so they want to
get the maximum they can out there.
So like last last time it was like it was the perfect storm
because the dead man was coming out the week after or something
and they had the winter summit. So it's like, hey, why not get a
ton of viewers on Twitch and then so many like more people
watch that winter summit than any of the other ones by a lot,
like a lot, a lot. I think they had 50K on the main
channel and then they have all the streamers live as well,
which is like that's exactly what they want.
They want people watching their stuff to say that that was
really good. I think The thing is with The
thing is with the dead man's, it's like if it was if it was to
go straight into a dead man, I don't know if I'll piss off some
of the creators because like they all of a sudden the the
hour 0 of the dead man is like, you know, they've already been
live for five hours or whatever. I'm like the Nah, they're fine.
Bro, it's time to lock in. They're creators, dude.
Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, I think it could be.
I think it could be fine. And I mean, Factions was
essentially a marketing thing for Dead Man because like
everyone got to see the sigils. They sort of got an idea of like
the ropes. Like as you're watching
Factions, you're getting educated about Dead Man.
Like you understand that, like you use the shop for sigils, all
that sort of stuff. And that's sort of what I was
saying to Jackets when I was telling them about that idea.
It's like it's just the perfect storm to launch, launch these
things. I mean, the original All Stars
as well, the original All Stars in the pitch deck.
It's like, yeah, the best thing to do after this would be this
the summer dead man that was coming up that year in 2024.
I was like, you can use this to hype that up.
And yeah, it's, it's, it's always a thing when doing
events. I think you have to think about
what it's connecting to. And well, obviously All Stars
now it's like big enough that it's almost like a stat.
It's a standalone thing, which is kind of crazy.
Like when they, when they asked me, they're like, oh, do you, do
you want to come on to the winter Summit and like do a
little segment of the All Stars? I'll be like, sure.
It's almost like they're using that as like a bit of content in
the timeline. I know it's not a main game, a
main game up there or anything, but it sort of fills out the
calendar of like exciting things going on.
And also I want to dispel the myth of people being like, why
are they wasting so much time with Devon All Stars?
It's really not that much dev time.
Like every single request is like super tailored to make it
like as low dev time as possible.
It's like manked doing like a week's worth of dev stuff and
like dies on. I think that's it.
Like they've got like tons of developers, but there's never
any art resource or anything like that.
It's like it's pushing back. It's a pretty.
Wrath ma by. A week, man yeah, exactly, bro,
that's a good thing. I was actually I was actually a
wrath more fan so so yeah, but but yeah, no, it's I've lost my
train of thought, but yeah, it's always something that came
before and I I would do a factions again.
I think it was, I think it's way more successful than we thought
it was going to be, But the the faction stream peaked like 40
something K viewers, which is insane.
And it was I think that was actually the most watched old
School Runescape event, like the most watched live Old School
Runescape event with like the the amount of viewers on the old
school's Twitch category plus Kik at any one time.
I don't think it's actually been higher.
I don't think the All Stars finales peaked more than that
purely because of the amount of streams that were live.
Yeah. Yeah, it was.
It was kind of insane. And I think, I think as well
factions will come back because some of the Jay mods had a great
time playing it. Like when we were doing the
casting, Sweet, Sweet came down from upstairs.
He's like, that was so fun. But I was like, Oh yeah, another
one, let's go so I can lock them in.
I had a blast. Yeah, and.
It's the other thing as well. It's like the hardest thing
about Gilmore games All Stars is casting people.
It's like I can't you can't invite everybody.
It's like a difficult thing. And like factions was a great
way to have so many more people involved.
I mean, obviously there's always got to be a cut off, right?
You can't go on like indefinitely.
Like I I got blocked out of D Ming people because disco
thought I was a but I was messaging so many people for the
first for the first time. But yeah, I always knew that I
wanted to put on some mass participation thing and factions
really, really was good. And yeah, I've got ideas for a
second one, so I think they'd want to do it again.
Yeah, that was like the perfect. Event.
It was fun, it was short, everybody got to participate.
I had a good time. Could even be a thing.
At Greenfest, you know how they have like 100 PCs?
If everyone just jumps on those PCs, potentially, I don't know.
I don't know how that would work logistically.
I remember, I remember when I was.
Testing sailing when I was. Testing.
Sailing. I drove past you.
Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah, I I love, I love
Crowder, but but like the thing, The thing is if if it was in
person, would you get people like going just getting up and
going to fuck with somebody else?
I would be doing. That so yes like.
I don't know. I'm a talking tasty and tea.
Papa's on my team. He could just go into the holes
in his arms. Yeah, you know, someone attacks.
Me, I'm going to get up so much. Fucking content from that we go
tickle them. They're not going.
To kill me, dude, yeah, let's push potential for loads of
stuff. I've got, I've got, I've got
like 3 other than new events that like I'm thinking about
doing as well, but it's just not deciding the, the best one out
of those. And I'm thinking it through.
But yeah, like let, I think, I think the more you do this, the
more ideas you start having because there's, there's lots of
stuff that doesn't fit in step on All Stars that would fit into
a more like PVM centric event, for example.
So when when it came to the. Missions was did you, did you
have this missions idea previously or?
Now you can do it. You're doing.
It or is this is this something you came up with between season
2 and three between season? Two and three, but like the the
the concept of having something be temporarily really rewarding
as a hotspot. It's it's not like a new
concept, right? It's like in annihilation they
had the dead man chests, which is like kind of similar.
Is it like everyone gets to the chest to get a reward?
And they've had that sort of concept in Dead Man's going back
seasons and seasons. And on some of the really old
ones, like on certain weeks, content was double drops, like
double drops from God wars in a week.
And then it was double drops and barrows.
There's whatever else. So there's there's all these
sort of like hotspot elementary type things.
Like it's just like iterating on that.
And then, like I said, I took inspiration from the video I
watched in 2008. Thought was cool.
Yeah. Well.
I think it's about time we transition over to the the
Patreon podcast. I've got a few questions that
are a little too saucy to ask you on the YouTube cast but too.
Saucy. Oh my God, we will be talking
about. Solo Mission Snake on the
podcast. So everybody be sure to tune in
solo. Thank you for coming on, dude.
We appreciate that. Do you have any final parting
words for the viewers? You guys should.
Absolutely. Subscribe to the Patreon.
OK, one more part in Word. I'll watch the Spectator stream
live on Kik because it's going to be such a good stream.
Like me and I live on Kik. Whoa.
We're going to talk about that, buddy.
That's going on the Patreon. Castle's good.
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