1 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,440 Yeah, from the five to the six, we be in the mix with that rare 2 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,800 candy paint job on the web. I need food for the kids, money 3 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,920 for the rent. Fuck a lockdown baby. 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,880 I can't do that shit and I'll never vote 'cause I'm fucking 5 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,280 broke and either way I know the police ain't gonna leave me 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,120 alone on a plane by the physical and rock me. 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,320 Crypto told me I should bring the Glock with me, so I packed 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,640 up my piece and I'm sliding slide 'cause we might. 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,680 Get caught up in a riot. Middle finger Trump, middle 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,600 finger Biden fucker left fucker right as you riding or you'll 11 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,560 let us see it. Those rocking, you know politics 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,720 baby. We just talking from the birds 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,000 to the bricks. We be in the mix with that rare 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,200 candy paint job on the web. Who you with? 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,400 Welcome back to the game of Fiction Lab. 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,160 We are continuing a series from last season. 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,920 This is the Bradyson Ellis catalog deep dive. 18 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:02,400 He doesn't have that many books, so it's not that hard to do. 19 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,519 In fact, I think we're like halfway done already, which is 20 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:07,880 kind of crazy. So far we've already we've 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:14,280 covered the shards less than 0 and rules of attraction on here. 22 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,600 So we're we're already almost there because now we're covering 23 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,320 American Psycho. I have the author of Texas T, 24 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:24,320 which is he's he's teasing it with a really cool cover on 25 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,280 social media right now, but it's Kelby Lowsack. 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,520 How you doing? Was good what it do yeah Texas 27 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:35,120 TI think dropping November 5th. Yeah, and it's not Texas low T, 28 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,600 it's Texas high T. That's it. 29 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,160 Yeah, just not to confuse anybody here because people 30 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:41,800 might think T levels. No, it is. 31 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,040 It is spelled TEA the the title. What explain the title to me? 32 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,960 So it's got kind of a double meaning. 33 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:54,840 This is my most soap operatic epic, sprawling, but not, I 34 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,280 mean, for me epic. A lot of people are like, damn, 35 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,120 this is like 500 pages condensed into 100. 36 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,840 So this one's going to be like 1000 pages condensed into 300 or 37 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:05,680 400. I was. 38 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,440 Going to guess you were writing a 300 pager. 39 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,880 Yeah. So yeah. 40 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,400 Yeah. Not a God's fair, no better 41 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:19,360 brick not yet. But but it's a yeah, it's a big 42 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,440 odyssey. So like tea, you know, as all of 43 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:30,640 our gay friends like to call drama, but Texas tea is slang 44 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:36,600 for purple drink. It's like the new, a newer slang 45 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:42,080 for for drank that I I think it's genius. 46 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:47,360 And so a lot of the book revolves around to walk hard 47 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,680 smuggling. So this kind of kind of the 48 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,800 double meaning there. Well, that's great. 49 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,760 I mean, I, I, I don't know what your release plan is for it, but 50 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,720 I know you got to be close to done with it, right? 51 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:06,160 Yeah, it's so. It's like I'm very schizophrenic 52 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:11,120 in the way that I write. There's 69 chapters, all of 53 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:16,360 which have some level of writing in them, and I know the story 54 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:22,240 and everything actually outlined this one and I just keep 55 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,520 chipping away at different chapters until the whole thing 56 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,560 ends up done. Probably. 57 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,720 Probably halfway through it. OK, OK, yeah, absolutely. 58 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,600 So, yeah, guys, be on the be on the lookout for that. 59 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,960 And while you're at it, if you're like, wow, I really want 60 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,480 to read that. You can read a lot of Kelby's 61 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,360 other work. He has you reissued Letting out 62 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,520 the Devils with a new cover on it and stuff. 63 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,520 You have God is wearing black. You have mercy. 64 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,920 I know you have more than that, but those are, I know the three, 65 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,240 the three. I I see people posting the most 66 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,800 and and reading a lot and I've had the chance to read letting 67 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,240 out the devils and God is wearing black. 68 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,320 Both of those are great. I've yet to meet mercy, but 69 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,080 that'll be that'll be really cool. 70 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,320 And also you could listen to me read chicken and waffles, which 71 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,040 a lot of people really liked and I didn't really enjoyed. 72 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,680 So. I loved that that shit went so 73 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:12,200 hard. It's. 74 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:13,720 Fun. It was really fun, man. 75 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,680 That one is is is really special because it was the start of a 76 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,519 project and like I said, that's free. 77 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:21,640 You guys can that's on the rare candy YouTube channel. 78 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:23,320 You guys can just go check that out. 79 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,280 So if you guys are still like, what am I just got to pick up 80 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:29,200 some book or something? OK, yes, the answer is yes to 81 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,040 that. But if you're being a little 82 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,240 prick about it, just go ahead and listen to that first and 83 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,760 then you'll you'll get to know the, the author I'm talking to 84 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,960 right now. So we're, we've like I said, 85 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:44,520 we've covered Breti Sanella's novels since the start of this 86 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,880 program. And I was always, I'm not going 87 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,120 to lie, I was dreading this one. The reason I'm dreading it is 88 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,320 because there's an overexposure of American Psycho stuff that's 89 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,040 happened since I got on the Internet. 90 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,360 Everything is American Psycho. Everything's Patrick Bateman, 91 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,280 there's gifts everywhere, everyone thinks they're him, 92 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,800 everybody, just everything I saw, I was kind of like, and I 93 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,080 love the movie. I've been watching the movie 94 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,240 because I had HBO as a kid, and I was like on that as a kid. 95 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,040 And I remember watching it when I was 9 and not getting any of 96 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,560 the irony but thinking it was awesome. 97 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,960 And you're just like that stick. He kills girls with chainsaws. 98 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,920 That's fucking tight. It's it's hilarious that he's up 99 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:32,360 there like as a meme. He's up there with basically the 100 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:38,040 the Ryan Gosling dudes, you know, the Blade Runner and drive 101 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:46,520 and you know the the whole group of tortured in cells or or 102 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:51,320 whatever it is that the right wing loves to pretend this is Oh 103 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,320 so me. And it's hilarious because 104 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,280 Patrick Bateman's a fucking dork. 105 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,640 It's like like drive, like the dude in drive. 106 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,240 He's he's a good dude. Yeah. 107 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:09,840 Oh, you know, Blade on in 2049. He's a good dude, Batman. 108 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:16,600 He's he might be a good dude. Patrick Bateman. 109 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,760 What a loser. Yeah, I mean, he is the ultimate 110 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,960 now. I think he is a good thing for 111 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,720 online culture because it's a LARP ultimately. 112 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,360 Like so I, I think he is the perfect guy for the Internet 113 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,200 because the Internet, especially when you like, for anyone who 114 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,880 doesn't know, for anyone who's just like typing in American 115 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,840 Psycho, I want to listen to something about American Psycho. 116 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:41,680 And you're not maybe from this sphere, but there's a lot of 117 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,520 people who are anonymous on the Internet and therefore able to 118 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,600 cultivate a new personality, kind of wipe the do a factory 119 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,720 reset on their past and kind of just give their thoughts with 120 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,160 like an aesthetic, which is typically, like you said, Ryan 121 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,080 Gosling beat up from Blade Runner, the beat up look about 122 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,800 the drive character. And then and then like Patrick 123 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,920 Bateman, it would be all these vaporwave edits. 124 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,560 Very especially because the music is very 80s, very, very 125 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:14,000 80s synth pop driven pomp, I should say in the in the 80s. 126 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,680 So there's constant, there's constant, you know, aesthetic 127 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,240 similarities that people try to achieve with Patrick Bateman. 128 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:26,320 But you know, spoiler alert, he is living out a sociopathic 129 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,680 fantasy in his head. And the only thing lamer than 130 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:34,920 being a sociopath that really can't feel any pain or anything 131 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,320 or anything is pretending that that's you, you know? 132 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,920 Pretending that that's. You and I mean, I arguably, I 133 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,560 guess you'd prefer guys not to kill a bunch of people, but like 134 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,000 it is ultra embarrassing to just be like, actually what I am. 135 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:53,480 What I am is actually I, I'm I'm just showing my sentience as the 136 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,080 narrator, but I'm just as vapid as any of these people that I'm 137 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:58,920 making fun of that I can't listen to that. 138 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,120 I'm thinking about, you know, doing Ted Bundy stuff too while 139 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,280 I'm listening to these people. I'm the exact same way, 140 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,560 unfortunately. Like that's that's what you're 141 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,480 saying. He's the instead of the leftist 142 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,600 ordering DoorDash and tweeting free Palestine, he's the 143 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:19,200 anonymous rhyoid ordering DoorDash and daydreaming that he 144 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,720 kills the Doordasher who shows. Right, right. 145 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,960 It's an Indian guy, which again, they are making a new American 146 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,720 cycle and there's so many things you can do with that. 147 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,000 Like they're making a new one. I think it's Luca Guadagino, 148 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,559 which I am excited for. I think that's, I think it's do 149 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,480 I just hope to God it's not in the 80s? 150 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,840 I'm so tired of 80s flashback movies and. 151 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:42,159 I set it in the 2000s. Set it now do it with Brian 152 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:46,000 Johnson type people do it with like like not a not like a Brian 153 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,640 Johnson type, but like a person who works engineer coding 154 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,840 something fake, right? Something like where it's like I 155 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,560 work here, but I don't do anything, you know, maybe my dad 156 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:59,520 owns a company or something. But you the the health scenes 157 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,680 can be like red light therapy mask and all of these things. 158 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:06,760 And the beauty of this book is as repellent as you think 159 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:12,160 Patrick Bateman is and how like lame he is during his moments, 160 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,800 during his delusions, you're kind of like fucking with him a 161 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:15,760 little bit. You're kind of like, oh. 162 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,200 Yeah, what? That guy. 163 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,560 So like for me, for somebody who does a lot, who likes a lot of 164 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:23,600 that esoteric health stuff but also finds the people annoying, 165 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,640 that's a good think way to center this around. 166 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:27,600 I hope that's what they're doing. 167 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,000 I think it's Austin Butler, if I'm not mistaken, that's playing 168 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,680 Bateman. But I'm hoping it's not just 80s 169 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,040 suits, suits and skyscrapers. I really hope it's not that. 170 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:39,920 Yeah, same. That's a really great casting 171 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,520 choice too. I forgot who they were first 172 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,480 teasing, but it was was It was a lordy I thought. 173 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,840 It was Jacob, O Lordy at first. Those are the only two guys that 174 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,000 are like, not like gay looking that are like masculine, you 175 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,520 know, So like you really, it's an easy casting call. 176 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,280 That would have been, Yeah, I think it was either. 177 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:01,160 I remember us talking about it. I don't remember if it was me or 178 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,280 if it was my wife who was like Jacob the Lord. 179 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,920 He should play the Patrick Bateman. 180 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:11,680 Yeah, Christian Bale, like now, he's such a superstar that you 181 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:16,560 think, wait, why would somebody who nobody remembers and is so 182 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,640 passable, why would you get Christian Bale to play that 183 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,680 dude? But I rewatched it again. 184 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,640 I got a chance to sneak it in again. 185 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,720 I was like, man, this, this was fucking great. 186 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,800 It's so good. I mean, you think about 187 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,680 everybody. It's like Reese Witherspoon. 188 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:33,840 It's right before Legally Blonde, when she became a 189 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,960 massive superstar. Jared Letos, like Requiem for a 190 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,240 Dream. He's not really doing anything 191 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,800 that's like crazy, crazy big, but like he's respected in the 192 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,000 community and stuff. You have, I forget the actor 193 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,600 that plays Carruthers. He's in like Beetlejuice and all 194 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,240 these other things. And it's like, it's a big cast, 195 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,880 but it's like a big cast before they all became super big. 196 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,360 And it's directed by Mary Heron. It is fantastic and it does a 197 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,480 good job. It does about as good of a job 198 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,520 as you can while still maintaining an R rating. 199 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,320 Because as we're gonna talk in the book, there is some wild 200 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,200 shit that happened to this book that you cannot put in a movie. 201 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,280 Not unless you're like Japanese, right? 202 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:15,760 Yeah, it couldn't. It wouldn't pass Hollywood. 203 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,840 Yeah, exactly. Because then it would just 204 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,640 become pornography. It was Japanese. 205 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,440 Like they'd be like, wait, this is this is hot. 206 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,400 They're like, I don't irony. This is hot. 207 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,960 Yeah. Yeah. 208 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,680 It would just be squid instead of rats. 209 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:30,360 Yeah. Interesting. 210 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,440 We're going to get you right back to the episode, but I just 211 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,680 wanted to let you guys know of a few other things we offer at 212 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:37,280 Rare Candy Industries. We have a sub stack with free 213 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,280 and paid subscription options. Free subscribers get access to 214 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,960 all written content. That includes Bob's Red Pill. 215 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,760 That's the best thing going on the Internet right now. 216 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,760 Trust me. 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On Instagram, we're Rare Candy 229 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,200 Pod, but on Twitter we're at Rare Candy Pod one. 230 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:18,920 All right, enough of that. Let's get you back into the 231 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,360 episode. Yeah, this book is interesting. 232 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,560 I've listen. You know, Bradyson also has a 233 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:27,920 great podcast, and he's talked about this a few times because 234 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,320 it's a book he often gets questions about because when you 235 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,440 read it, you're just like, damn, dude. 236 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:34,840 Like I didn't know you had this in you. 237 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,920 But The thing is, is you kind of do know that he has it in him 238 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,920 and all his other books. He kind of eludes this thing. 239 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,840 In less than 0, there's a very detached explanation of a young 240 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,400 girl getting tortured and raped and stuff, which again, he 241 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,840 doesn't. He goes into far more detail in 242 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,320 this novel because he he gives you so methodical, Patrick 243 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,840 Bateman so methodical and detail oriented. 244 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,120 Whereas in less than 0 it's it's the lack of details that get so 245 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,760 chilling sometimes. Where, yeah, I mean. 246 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,080 I'm sorry, Less than 0 is a much more disturbing book, I think. 247 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,440 I think American cyclists hilarious and really like the 248 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:18,360 the descriptions, the long paragraphs describing exactly 249 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:24,120 how like the intestines are laid out on the table and the the 250 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,560 tits, the color of the tits that have been chopped off and all 251 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:30,400 this and that. Like those are really 252 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:35,240 beautifully written sentences. Well, and you, you, he had his 253 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,760 editor on one time. Brett had his editor on one 254 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:38,920 time. I forget what the guy's name is, 255 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:39,960 but he's a really good interview. 256 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,800 And he was basically just like, dude, when I got this 257 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,280 manuscript, I'm like, what, what am I supposed to do? 258 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,120 You know, like, like what are like? 259 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,240 Well, I don't because he's like, I don't want to like there's 260 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,680 certain things that I think maybe in a traditional sense 261 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,760 don't work, but he's like, but it's a psycho. 262 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,480 So like I kind of have to keep in some things that don't work 263 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,680 because there are certain times where he just loses his thought 264 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:04,800 and just starts going back to like that Robert Oneika picture 265 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,840 is is hanging wrong or something. 266 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,920 And then like, it's in the middle of a sentence where he's 267 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,920 talking about like fucking a decapitated head, like and and 268 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,720 and like I'm putting a rat in a tube up a girl's pussy. 269 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,360 It, it worked. And there's there's such run on 270 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:27,800 sentences too, like from the jump, the opening bar, like the 271 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,520 whole Broken River crew. We're always like, we're big on 272 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,680 competing with each other's opening bars. 273 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,800 The opening bar of American Psycho is like 100 words. 274 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,560 It goes on and on and on before the first period in the book. 275 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:48,120 I know, that's so funny. Yeah, the opening 1 is yeah, 276 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,880 abandoned. All hope ye who enter here is 277 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,080 scrawled in blood red lettering on the side of the Chemical Bank 278 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,840 near the corner of 11th and 1st and is in and is in print large 279 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,400 enough to be seen from the back seat of the of the cab as it 280 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,200 lurches forward in traffic, leaving Wall Street and Justice 281 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,760 Timothy Price notices the words. A bus pulls up. 282 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,320 There's like no commas in this or anything. 283 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,880 Yeah, it's it's just. And then there's like a whole 284 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,080 nother part of that sentence. But it's funny because the 285 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,920 subject like hit the way he speaks never changes in this. 286 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,280 It never changes the inflections, the tone don't 287 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,560 doesn't really change. It's the subject matter that 288 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,680 does at the beginning. Patrick Bateman's like woke for 289 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,200 the first 3 chapters. Like he's just like, you know, 290 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,120 cool with the anti-Semitic remarks he's talking about. 291 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,200 He does that speech at dinner with the art, with the loser art 292 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,080 couple. And he's like, oh, this and 293 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,000 that. And he he's really worried about 294 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,560 preserving this, this optics, this, this appearance of a like 295 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,120 a progressive finance guy, which doesn't even work. 296 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,320 You know, like, it's like, say you're trying to like achieve 297 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:48,720 this thing that doesn't even work. 298 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,560 And Brettyson Ellis talked about dating a guy like it when he 299 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,120 moved to New York, which I I would guess after college, after 300 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,440 Bennington, he moved to New York and he was working on this book. 301 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,400 And it took him a long time because he's always been 302 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,680 fascinated by serial killers. Growing up in LA in the early 303 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,200 70s post Manson, you're always going to be obsessed with that 304 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,720 kind of stuff. But he found a way to be like 305 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,120 when he was, he was dating this finance bro guy who at the time 306 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,720 he's like, they're gay guys and they're talking to like straight 307 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,920 men who are worried about like their lapels and like, you know, 308 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,360 face creams and all this stuff. And he's like, dude, I'd like 309 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,320 the gay guys I hang out with aren't this gay. 310 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,000 And what's they contrast it because they're all super 311 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,880 homophobic. Like they're all like anytime 312 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,080 anything remotely gay happens, they're just dropping F bombs in 313 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,080 there And, and, and, and all of that. 314 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,360 But these guys are straight up worried about fat. 315 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,440 Like every conversation they have when they meet up is about 316 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,600 whether you're allowed to wear suspenders with this or during 317 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,120 what time of year that it's so funny. 318 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,200 Those it's always like the world of straight guys is always the 319 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,480 inverse when it comes to homophobia of what you would 320 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,240 think. Like you got the Super gay put 321 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:01,960 together aesthetics obsessed homophobes and then you have 322 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:06,000 like dudes who are just in the trenches like picking their nose 323 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:11,160 and like, you know, farting, working at like literally 324 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,040 digging ditches and shit. And they're always like, yeah, 325 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,040 hey, bend over, sexy like. Yeah, why are you wearing those 326 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,240 jeans? Why are you wearing those jeans, 327 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:19,880 man? Those don't. 328 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,240 Oh, come on, Give me something to look at. 329 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,480 Like they'll be saying shit like that. 330 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:23,839 Yeah. It's funny. 331 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:25,119 I know. That's so funny. 332 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,920 And like, and hovering around all that, you getting in, like 333 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,920 all the time. I love that Brady Sanellas is 334 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,160 like homosexuality is all throughout this book, too. 335 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,800 Like the AIDS, all of the AIDS stuff that's in there where a 336 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,160 bunch of guys are worried about it. 337 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,600 But like, at the same time, they're all going. 338 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,200 We're not getting that shit, dude. 339 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,560 We're straight. Like we're not getting AIDS. 340 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:42,920 We're not getting AIDS. Don't worry about it. 341 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,720 Don't worry about it. And it's but this is during 342 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,880 written during a time when like you, if you sat on a toilet seat 343 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,320 after somebody like you, you that people thought you were 344 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,320 going to get AIDS and. My mom was terrified of that 345 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,320 when we were kids. In San Francisco, so like my 346 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,400 grandparents, they've lived out here in California, but they 347 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,680 would like would go to San Francisco to like eat Chinese 348 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,000 food because it wasn't everywhere at that time. 349 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,720 Like not the good stuff. So they would take like a 45 350 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,720 minute ride in San Francisco and eat Chinese food. 351 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,920 Once AIDS hit, they're like, Nah, we're not going to San 352 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:16,800 Francisco anymore. I was like, wait. 353 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,160 And like my mom's like, were you guys going to have gay sex out 354 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,120 there? They're like, it's in the air. 355 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:26,280 And which you know, again, is another Fauci lie, by the way, 356 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,040 is like the Fauci pushed a lot of that stuff on people and told 357 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,280 people that that's how you could get it. 358 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,440 And that caused a lot more more division amongst people than 359 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,880 really was needed. Oh, no way, Fauci dividing the 360 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,680 country over some made-up airport he. 361 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,160 Stopped there. It never happened again. 362 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,760 But he he stopped there. Yeah, he was. 363 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,560 He's Yeah, he's long gone. Nobody's heard of him since. 364 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,160 But the, the, the anyways. The. 365 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,960 What's funny about it, though, is the subject matter. 366 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,160 Gradually he lets you in and like, finally he just drops on 367 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:56,080 you. It's like, yeah, and I killed a 368 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,440 girl the other day or something. And you're just like, oh, and 369 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,800 obviously, you know, most people coming to this book have seen 370 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,320 the movie before. So, you know, there's not much 371 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,600 of a big reveal in here at all that he's anything. 372 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,240 And it's not a mystery. This book is not a mystery. 373 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,720 Yes, there's a detective. Does he matter? 374 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,400 Absolutely not. But there is a detective who 375 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,160 kind of like loves the finance guy world and stuff. 376 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:22,640 And basically, you know, it's Patrick Bateman just violently 377 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,080 murdering women for an entire book. 378 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:30,400 And and then through the book is written I think in three acts of 379 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,880 like insanity. And each act is separated by 380 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:40,360 like a three page chapter with like 0 paragraph breaks about a 381 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:45,600 very normie 80s band that he pretends to be extremely, you 382 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,840 know, war like this, like esoteric, like talking about 383 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,720 stuff. And the music chapters are so 384 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,880 funny because I think it was in the Huey Lewis in the news 385 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,600 chapter where he's like this song, which was not written by 386 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,240 the group. It was written by some guy named 387 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,840 Hank Williams. Never heard of him. 388 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,400 Like, you know, just he's like know so much about music, but 389 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,880 like only that band. There's just no concept of like 390 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,120 Hank Williams or like these people who are all time greats. 391 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:16,200 But that I love the insanity. Like the the divisions of like 392 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,680 the insanity chapters just coupled with like a absolute. 393 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,680 Also that's another reason why a lot of right wing Anon guys love 394 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:23,840 that. Because he's a sperk. 395 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:29,280 Yeah, yeah, just a a total schizoid. 396 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:36,680 He I, I like how you say it's not a mystery because it's just 397 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,160 you're just along for the ride. And even the reveal at the end 398 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,680 of like, wait, was this all in his head? 399 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,560 Isn't much of A you don't really give a shit. 400 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,880 Like it's not the point of the book at all, because the whole 401 00:20:52,880 --> 00:21:01,120 book feels almost meta in a way. And that it's like the fantasy 402 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:04,800 of somebody who would have all these fantasies. 403 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:07,480 Like, you know what I mean? Like, you're in the boardroom 404 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:13,120 just dreaming about raping and murdering and just bored out of 405 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:17,880 your mind. And this book is like, yeah, 406 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,440 let's follow that guy. Let's go into the inner psyche 407 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,360 of that guy. But it's written by somebody who 408 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:26,240 is kind of going through that same thing. 409 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,480 Like you, you know, Bret Easton Ellis was just like, yeah, total 410 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,880 alienation. Like, you know, material 411 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,680 obsession loner writing this shit. 412 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,520 And I also picture like, you know, I, you ever do this, like, 413 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,800 you know, with your wife or something, like you leave a 414 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,960 place where like you only knew like one or two people, but it 415 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,400 was a group. And then you just like, kind of 416 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,000 like, maybe if it wasn't bad, be like those people. 417 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,080 Oh my gosh. And you kind of like, I wish I 418 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,440 could have just fucking fuck that guy. 419 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,080 If I beat that dude's eye, Like you just start talking about all 420 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,920 the dumb shit. That guy's probably a fucking 421 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,760 loser rapist or something. You know, like you said, you 422 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,320 might not even be right. But like, it feels like this 423 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,240 book is coming from like 2 gay guys leaving a party and just 424 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,200 laughing about everybody there, you know? 425 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,120 And then like basically saying, well, this is a like that one 426 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:14,760 guy. Like what if this one guy was 427 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,720 just an absolute schizo? And honestly, like when I was 428 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,800 reading it, I was like, what if they all are, What if everyone 429 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,040 in this book is a schizo thinking like this and we've 430 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,760 only centered on one of them. Like what if, what if McDermott, 431 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,920 Price and Van Patten are all just like thinking the exact 432 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,520 same thing? Like in a, in a way, like if, if 433 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,080 this is just like you think this gives you some sort of 434 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,960 individuality as a, as a Wall Street pedal to the metal 435 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,240 finance guy, then you realize, no, actually this is what they 436 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,800 do. You know, like they are kind of, 437 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:42,960 I mean, you've asked the right person. 438 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,960 Wall Street people are psycho, you know, like, so yeah, you 439 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,560 know, to a degree you kind of have to be. 440 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:50,760 I think it is saying that too. Like, I think that is the 441 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,760 implication because everybody is always getting people's names 442 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,840 wrong. And so many interpretations of 443 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,960 that are that, well, you know, Patrick Bateman is an unreliable 444 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:03,600 narrator. No, everybody in the book is. 445 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,040 Yeah, the way he writes that is so funny. 446 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,440 It'll always be like, I don't forget the names, but again, 447 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:09,720 forget it. You're not supposed to remember 448 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,360 their names because none of these people matter. 449 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,240 They are non entities. NP. 450 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,040 Patrick Bateman is you're in like a RPG covered in blood and 451 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,080 it's NPCS everywhere. Basically. 452 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:20,800 It's like Grand Theft Auto. And there are chapters like 453 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,880 where he's just like driving around and playing Grand Theft 454 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,000 Auto. It's actually awesome. 455 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:27,760 But he's like. There is like the the 1 chapter 456 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,080 that goes to third person where it's just mass shoot. 457 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,160 He just goes on a shooting spree and you know, the SWAT comes in 458 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,280 and shit, I. Know it's so funny and then and 459 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,880 then it's just like the next one. 460 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,800 It's like, you know, I'm just at Barney's or something the next 461 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,640 chapter. And it's like nothing after 462 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:47,440 that. Nothing. 463 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:54,320 But yeah, like the the the reason this book is so funny too 464 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,880 is just because each chapter, the minute you think you're, 465 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,440 you've got some kind of read on it, like you're like, oh, what 466 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,080 he's really saying is this and this he completely denies it. 467 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,400 So there's a lot of people that can read this book and they'll 468 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,600 go, well, this is like what capitalism puts into people. 469 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,720 You are a finance bro and these people with finance Bros are 470 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,240 sadistic. But one guy becomes sentient and 471 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,480 decides to kill all these people and they're evil. 472 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,640 He's killing bad people. And then you're like, then one 473 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,760 child killing a child at the zoo is a chapter title and he just 474 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,080 kills the kid. And so you're not like, OK, your 475 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,040 theories in the trash because these people like a true psycho 476 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,400 is incoherent. Like it doesn't make sense. 477 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:40,560 So it's what I like about it. Yeah, I mean, commentary on 478 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,040 anything. I would, I would buy that. 479 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:48,640 It's, you know, saying a lot about alienation and loneliness 480 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:57,000 and shit capitalism. I I mean, whatever it's saying 481 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,080 about capitalism is just that Breti Stinelis is a gay man who 482 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:06,200 is really brand obsessed and that's just, you're going to see 483 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,760 that in all. Capitalism. 484 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,080 So he's not going to fucking write the like Communist 485 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,480 Manifesto psycho book. Like, it's just not. 486 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,920 That's just not the book he's going to write. 487 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,640 Yeah, the the capitalist statement is yeah, capitalism, 488 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,960 great. Yeah, Oh, gosh. 489 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,360 I mean, it's, it's exactly and, and it's just like like a lot of 490 00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:27,400 times what he does, like he writes, it's very like hyper 491 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,920 present novels, hyper prescient novels. 492 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,280 Like this is like, he's not necessarily saying this is what 493 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,920 happens when the, you know, this is this big idea. 494 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,520 It's usually like, look, this is what I'm seeing right now. 495 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,880 He's a satirist. So he's like, you guys might not 496 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,280 know what's going on in the financial district. 497 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,760 You guys might not know what's happening at a college where all 498 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,600 these kids are in love with each other and breaking up with each 499 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,560 other and breaking each other's hearts and over fake overdosing 500 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,480 and stuff. Like you might not know about 501 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,680 that. You might not know what happens 502 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,040 at rich kid LA high schools in 1982. 503 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,720 I do. Let's have some fun and I'll 504 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,920 tell you about them. It's kind of, it's almost like a 505 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,680 profile, like a journalistic profile that he does mixed with 506 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,560 stand up comedy for American Psycho. 507 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,560 And it's just, it's, it's hilarious. 508 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,440 I really love how they intersect with the rest of his novels too. 509 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,200 A lot of people, because this one is so big and so interpreted 510 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,680 in all kinds of different ways and everybody thinks they know, 511 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,640 like it gets new life through different interpretations versus 512 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,880 people actually reading it, that it seems separate from the rest 513 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,920 of his work. But it is extremely interesting 514 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,160 the way it intersects with the rest of his work. 515 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,120 There's a universe, I mean Sean Bate, he is his brother is Sean 516 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:46,080 Bateman from the Rules of Attraction, who's a great 517 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,480 character. In rules of Attraction, 518 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,360 Rock'n'roll is used again. It's like the last line of the 519 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:53,720 book and the movie. I think the the Sean Bateman 520 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,600 Rock'n'roll. There's a a chat and Sean 521 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,440 Bateman talks about again, Sean, you can read the Rules of 522 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,920 Attraction and kind of know that Patrick Bateman is lying about 523 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,200 all the stuff that he's doing because Sean Bateman talks about 524 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,040 his brother as this like non entity. 525 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,600 He's like, oh, I met my bro. I think it's when their daddy's 526 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,880 dying and rules of attraction, they meet him at the at the 527 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,640 office and like, he's just like Patrick, just like a smug prick, 528 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,280 like kind of like full of himself. 529 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,840 It's not anything like that, but it's funny because Patrick 530 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,560 Bateman tries to give himself his own back story, his own 531 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,400 serial killer origin story in in American Psycho. 532 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,760 So in the book, he'll be like, yeah, and in college they found 533 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,560 a girl floating like dismembered and all that stuff. 534 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,120 And you're like, you're lying about that. 535 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,200 That's what's so funny. It's like you're you're lot like 536 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,120 you're confessing the murders. You don't do. 537 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,400 You are trying to be this individual guy in a jaw in a, in 538 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,040 a kind of a community that thrives on everyone looking the 539 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,720 same, sounding the same to where you're not discernible at all. 540 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,520 But he's trying to because he's always referencing these serial 541 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,400 killer books that he reads, which that's probably true that 542 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,520 this character reads all these serial killer books. 543 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,280 He's like, they all have origin stories. 544 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,720 And mine was like, I killed and raped a girl in like college and 545 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,120 loved it. And ever since then, it's like, 546 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:04,960 no, you probably didn't like, you probably didn't do any of 547 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,240 that. No 100% the. 548 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,320 Kentucky Derby girl, he's like when he meets up with the 549 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,080 Kentucky Derby girl, he's like, yeah, she was so gone on like 550 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,280 pills. He's like, and I was just 551 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,880 putting whatever I could find up her, like, you know, at the 552 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,160 Kentucky Derby, and she still hangs out with me. 553 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,400 She like comes over to my house. Still, it's like. 554 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,920 No way. It's it's the type of shit that 555 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:28,520 it's the origin story. You make up with your friends 556 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,040 who know that that that's what it is too. 557 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,680 Like you read this book really knowing what it is. 558 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,200 It's the best book to spoil because the best way to come to 559 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,400 it is knowing that he's full of shit. 560 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,080 Because it's kind of like listening to your friend, who 561 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,720 you know really well, talk about a bunch of shit that he did not 562 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,960 do. In front of other people, too. 563 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,480 Yeah. Where like you're like, should I 564 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,640 say something Like you kind of like I kind of want to say 565 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,560 something, but also I don't want to be a bad friend, but also 566 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,440 this guy's lying out his ass right now. 567 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,120 Yeah, it's the best way to read this book going to. 568 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,280 And that's what that's what makes it hilarious because you, 569 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:10,200 you, you could read it totally innocent and go, what about this 570 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,120 was funny exactly? I think some people do because 571 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,360 it got a lot of it got a lot of trouble and people were like, 572 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,840 it's just gore porn. I'm like, well, it kind of is. 573 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,400 Don't get me wrong, Like all the gore is essential to it, all of 574 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,600 that. But it's like, and it isn't, I 575 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,920 think a lot of people just don't like it because it's a guy just 576 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,400 killing a bunch of women, which, you know, it is. 577 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,920 That is what's being written about. 578 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,400 I guess you can you can read certain pages here. 579 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,240 And if you're a squeamish and maybe had something crazy happen 580 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,320 to you, like where it's like, yeah, maybe I'll put this down 581 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,120 because it he goes into depth. And that's kind of my favorite 582 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,240 part about. It, I love it. 583 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,280 It's so good. Yeah. 584 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,840 It. It's your ears perk up because 585 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,440 what it what Brady Sanellas does is he knows he lulls you to 586 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,040 sleep sometimes too, in this novel, because he's really 587 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,560 doesn't write other books like this. 588 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,600 This is a different. This is a different style. 589 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,280 He's he's like kind of just emptying thoughts out 590 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,440 constantly. But he know, he knows you don't 591 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,600 care about this paragraph right here because why would you? 592 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,400 It's him talking about what? The taxi When, when he's talking 593 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,600 about the homeless guy who he's like, I can't tell if his coat 594 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,360 is Burberry or not, just shit like that and all these like 595 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,760 random things with Sony VX47 doesn't have the laser disc 596 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,920 reader and he knows you don't care about that. 597 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,200 And so you could like skip that paragraph if you want to, but 598 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,240 also, you know, you know that he's got you by the balls and 599 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,720 you, you got to read it all 'cause you're. 600 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,640 Like I get so hypnotized by that shit. 601 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:37,200 Like I tell this, this is what I hype David on all the time as 602 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,880 the proper nouns and like he really influenced my intentional 603 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,760 like seeking of just the right perfect word. 604 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,960 Like what is people who know about this shit? 605 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,600 What do they call it? What is this piece of 606 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,000 architecture like actually called? 607 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,400 What is this style? Like I love reading that shit 608 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:03,240 when I know nothing about what it is like the Sony VX whatever. 609 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:09,360 Like OK but I love reading about people who know their shit. 610 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,040 Yeah, you picture a bunch of scattered catalogs around 611 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,080 Bradyson Ellis's apartment and plus a bunch of serial killer 612 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,080 books and then just personal, personal interactions in the up 613 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,120 here, you know, in the in the the thing, like just Sony Cat or 614 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,320 like, you know, whatever Sears catalog or something where 615 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,560 they're selling stereos, they're like, OK, cool, Patrick's going 616 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,400 to have that, you know, and, and, and, and the chapter titles 617 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,640 too. I mean, the chapter titles I 618 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,960 think make the book, I think that the the funniest part about 619 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,000 the book, like in terms of structure, because I mean, you 620 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,200 know, it'll just be like, I don't know why it's so funny. 621 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,280 I it's I was trying to think, think of words for this. 622 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,880 But like there, there's a part when you don't hear from like 623 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,200 Louis Carruthers for a while. For Louis Carruthers is the gay 624 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,120 man who's marrying the girl Patrick was fucking. 625 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,000 But Louis Carruthers is constantly talking about like 626 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,280 he's the only guy that's going, wow, Patrick, you're so well 627 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,760 spoken when he's saying gobbledygook basically at like 628 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,400 at at this stuff. And he's like, Patrick, you're 629 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,080 so well spoken. And, you know, they have the 630 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,560 interaction where Patrick's going to kill him, but then he 631 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,320 thinks he's choking him and he, like, kisses his hand and stuff. 632 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,680 But then I love the chapter that just says confronted by faggot 633 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,240 like on there, and it's bluish and he throws a tantrum in the 634 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,880 store. Yeah, it's so funny. 635 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:32,240 It's it's so many like lists. No, the chapter titles are 636 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,560 genius in themselves because you think about somebody sitting in 637 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,360 their office writing out a list of things that of everything. 638 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,480 There's chapters that are called like Thursday and and then 639 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:52,640 there's like lunch and then it's killing dog, killing, cooking. 640 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,280 Cooking and eating a woman is 1 chapter and then and then the 641 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,680 next chapter is bringing an Uzi to the gym where it's like it's 642 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,680 a paragraph long and he's like, this isn't the time. 643 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,520 You know, he's like going to spray up the like the gym that 644 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,680 costs like 5 grand a year. It's going to take a Uzi and 645 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,200 spinning around in circles like, I don't know, it's just it's 646 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,600 it's hysterical. I mean this he is the top 647 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,080 satirist of our time. You know, I think like guys, you 648 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,480 know, you go back to like the Jonathan Swift times of like 649 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,440 Gulliver's travels, like he's doing the same thing, like he's 650 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,760 doing the same thing. Like I, I know people. 651 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,080 I I I think people want to knock it down a peg because it's so 652 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,360 highly regarded and it's it becomes a cottage industry to 653 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,040 have an anti Bradycinellis take. But I'm sorry man, people just 654 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:46,400 aren't writing books like this and this breaks every rule of a 655 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,960 book. But then it reminds you that 656 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,320 there are no rules. Except if you're you like guy 657 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,520 who doesn't write good books. There's rules for you. 658 00:33:54,560 --> 00:34:00,840 There's not rules for you. Yeah, yeah, no, it's the greats 659 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,840 are under I I think great art is objective. 660 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,840 Really. More and more I have I have that 661 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,639 take. I agree because you're just 662 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:13,400 wrong If you don't like Brett Easton Ellis, if you don't fuck 663 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,600 with like another one is Chuck Polonik, who people want, like, 664 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,800 constantly want to be like. Nah, Polonik is overrated. 665 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,679 He does that thing that he does what he does that thing that 666 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,120 only he can do that everybody else tries to ape. 667 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,000 Kind of like how Brett Easton Ellis has a bunch of biters, 668 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,920 bunch of biters, but it doesn't work because they're supposed to 669 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:41,520 be following the rules and there's exceptional people. 670 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,760 Yeah. Like that's where great art 671 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,920 comes from is the exception. Here's these rules because if 672 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,199 you don't do things like this, it's probably going to be trash. 673 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,360 Right. Here's this guy who breaks all 674 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,320 the rules because he's exceptional. 675 00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:00,240 Well, and he wins with the idea like he basically by you're 676 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:03,400 you're obsessed with this Patrick Bateman guy who for like 677 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,120 the first five chapters who's just methodically describing his 678 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,800 life. He's definitely violent, has 679 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,320 violent thoughts. There's like one of the, one of 680 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,920 my favorite parts is like when he first starts really leaking 681 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,040 out, like who he is and he's having dinner with Evelyn. 682 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,800 For anybody who's coming from the movie, that's the Reese 683 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,040 Witherspoon character, his girlfriend who's like, not, you 684 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,720 know, she's just like, she keeps floating the idea of marriage to 685 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:32,080 this guy just in some like medieval courtship kind of way. 686 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,880 Like, well, we. Gay man's understanding of what 687 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,600 straight relationships. Yeah, but also a very gay man's 688 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,080 idea of like, I hang out with women constantly, but I never 689 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,760 listen to them and what they're saying. 690 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,440 Like that's that's also like a very gay guy thing. 691 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,840 Like, I mean, you know, whom among us around straight guys 692 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,520 has tuned out of a woman's thing? 693 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,880 But like for most gay guys, like she's just talking about 694 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,320 bullshit. I'm not listening to that. 695 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,920 Like this is bullshitting and she's wearing this stupid thing 696 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,840 like, you know, this the the ear. 697 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,320 Like he knows where girls earrings come from. 698 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,240 Like they're like pendants, like he like knows where they're 699 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:09,040 from. It's just crazy, crazy. 700 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,960 And to hammer home that like you're gayer than a gay guy 701 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,120 basically if you're a finance yuppie guy. 702 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,720 So yeah, well, there is a part like I was saying where I think 703 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:24,080 it was him and Evelyn are. Let me see. 704 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,440 Oh yeah, I don't have it marked, but it was where it's Evelyn. 705 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,920 He's at dinner with Evelyn and he's just like, she's talking 706 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,360 and it just immediately cuts off her sentence. 707 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,840 And he's just like looking at her and he's like, I wonder if 708 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,800 Evelyn would ever get it on with another girl. 709 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,320 Probably not. I wonder if she'd get on with 710 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,000 another girl if I had her at gunpoint, you know, like, and 711 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,680 he's just like, I just like, took a fucking gun out on her. 712 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,560 And it's just like, like, I don't know. 713 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,720 A lot of people are scared to admit that they've had like, 714 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:54,760 insane violent thoughts, just something that doesn't deserve a 715 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,960 violent reaction. But like you have these, you're 716 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,240 like, God, if this guy says one more fucking thing, one more 717 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:02,600 thing and he's not doing anything wrong other than being 718 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,760 annoying, You're like one more thing and you just you just 719 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,280 think about like hitting him with something. 720 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,440 Like I've I've thought about hitting somebody in the head 721 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,760 with a cinder block or something. 722 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,720 I'm not going to do it, but I've thought about it and that's what 723 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:14,760 this. But it's like anytime like 724 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,800 you're you're really high up, like you're on the 25th floor of 725 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,280 a parking garage or something and there's a can sitting on a 726 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,720 ledge and you're like, this would be a fucking missile if I 727 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:28,280 just flicked it over the edge onto that dude's head. 728 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:34,000 And it's like, yeah, everybody thinks that. 729 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,360 You see a kid riding a bike and you're like, I could just like 730 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,880 kick him in the face. And just like just like Bruce 731 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,480 Lee, that kid to the ground and this bike, we go flying down the 732 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,080 road and maybe somebody swerves to avoid it and they crash into 733 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,520 they crash their car. Everybody. 734 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,320 You just think that shit? It's CKY brain, dude. 735 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,040 That's how things like CKY start is like you just you think about 736 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,720 chaos you can cause with one simple action, you know, like, 737 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:03,640 and, and as a guy, like you always have that in your brain. 738 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,200 Like whether you do it or not, if you have kids, you try to 739 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,160 stop your kids from doing that, but you're also like, fuck, I 740 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,440 remember when I used to do stuff like that. 741 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,360 You know, it's just this like constant cycle of it. 742 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,920 And like, but Patrick Bateman takes it to a degree where he's 743 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,240 constantly going to the hardware store and like buying stuff from 744 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,720 the hardware store, constantly going to the video store and 745 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:22,920 returning videotapes and he's like insane. 746 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,160 I don't know if this is true or not. 747 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,280 He like it can't because this is like late 80s when this is 748 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,560 happening. His like movie membership cost 749 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,840 like $2000 a year at the movie store. 750 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,680 Yeah, that's even some some of the shit. 751 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,640 I mean, even the gym membership, I'm like. 752 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:40,920 Back then I. And. 753 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,600 I think it may be he is just insane. 754 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,560 And like he's just like, yeah, it's $2000. 755 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,840 And I get to, I mean, is the video store real? 756 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,520 I mean, are we really returning videotapes? 757 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,280 Because there is the scene where he goes to the video store and 758 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,560 there is the young girl working there and he's like, I want to 759 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,440 fuck Jamie Gertz. And the girl's like who's Jamie 760 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,880 Gertz? And he's like, which is funny 761 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,240 because Jamie Gertz plays what's her name in less than 0. 762 00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:03,920 So that's pretty funny. And the the girl. 763 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,000 But he's like, yeah, he's like, I want to say that I want to, I 764 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,280 want to fuck. And he's like, you don't know 765 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,240 who that is. And, and he's like, he's like 766 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,080 buying like anal gaping porn and body double because he likes 767 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,840 Brian Depalma's body double because of the drill going 768 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,400 through a woman's face. And that's like, what he's like, 769 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,560 he said he's rented it like 47 times. 770 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,840 It's so funny. Yeah, no, I think these are just 771 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,600 childish numbers. It's like I've rented this movie 772 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,600 47 times. Well, it's like Bill Gates, 773 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,440 $2000 a year. Yeah, and, and then he goes, He 774 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,400 goes and he's constantly worried about late fees. 775 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,360 He goes. But, well, I do have the $2000 776 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,880 membership. I can check out as many as I 777 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,080 want. And then he's like, you know, 778 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,640 I'm like, all right, like, anyways, back to drilling a hole 779 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,400 in a woman's skull. Like, it's. 780 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,520 But like the videotapes thing, I think is just like a lack of a 781 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,840 social cue where I think he's just like to get out of a 782 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,160 conversation or to like think about something other than what 783 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,440 he's really thinking about. He just goes to the videotape 784 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,120 thing like, and I obviously he is watching these crazy like 785 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:10,360 anal porn videos with like fisting and stuff and, and, and 786 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,120 all of that. But while I remember he has one 787 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,160 line where after he kills Paul Owen, who's the Jared Leto 788 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,760 character from the movie, after he kills Paul Owen he like uses 789 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,800 his apartment. In the movie, of course, he uses 790 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,640 it to like film sex scenes with hookers, but he he's like 791 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,960 dissolving the bodies and he's like, he's like sitting there 792 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,320 watching like porn while the dissolve it, while the body's 793 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,120 dissolving in the in the thing and he's just like watching it 794 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,640 and stuff. It's like it's fucking crazy. 795 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:43,120 It's it's insane. Yeah, yeah, no, I, I, I, I I've 796 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,120 it gets and, and he and he UPS the ante every time because you 797 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,000 think like you're like, Dang, you don't want to blow your load 798 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,440 too early. Like, you know, it gets crazier 799 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,400 every time. Like there's one part at the 800 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,840 beginning because there's chapters called girls all 801 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,160 throughout the book. And like the first chapter with 802 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,600 with girls is like got 2 hookers, had a threesome. 803 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,840 And you can tell he's like not having that much fun. 804 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,080 He's like happy that he was able to orchestrate it, but it feels 805 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,400 like a test run for something. And he's like, yeah, I'm like 806 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,120 fucking this girl in the mouth and stuff. 807 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,800 And, and she's like, you know, basically like, Oh yeah, this is 808 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,120 great. And stuff he's like, yeah, it's 809 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,760 whatever. And then like later he like 810 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,840 kills a girl and like fucks like the hole in her neck and stuff. 811 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,560 He's like, this is great. He's like, now we're talking. 812 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,120 Yeah, and then and then up it even one more time with the the 813 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,040 third round of girls. The rats. 814 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:37,200 The rat putting a tube inside of a woman and letting a rat go up 815 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,440 there and go crazy and then like later you forget about the rat 816 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,240 and he's like, yeah And then the rat came out of her and. 817 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,640 And it had like blood all over you're. 818 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,840 Like that's, that's the worst part because you do it. 819 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,520 It's just like initially you talk about shoving tubes up 820 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,440 people. You're like God. 821 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,560 And I know that like, people do it. 822 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,920 Like there's a lot of people that do that shit, whether with 823 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,480 animals or whatever. They're like just shoving shit 824 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:08,240 up their ass and everything. Like like no, what the fuck? 825 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,240 It's so rough and like, you know, just I remember he has his 826 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,560 ex-girlfriend too, that I think this is like midway through the 827 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,160 book, his like ex-girlfriend who he invites back to the apartment 828 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,400 and she's like, oh, I shouldn't have had that glass of wine. 829 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,320 She's like, OK, fine. And she lets him know that his 830 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,640 painting's upside down, this really nice painting that he 831 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,640 had. And then he just goes nail gun 832 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,360 to the back of the head. He's like, I can dare, dude, 833 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,760 like how dare you? And the nail gun is wild, man. 834 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,640 Like just having a nail gun around, especially because like, 835 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,000 you know, there's so many subtleties in this book. 836 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,280 He has a crack in his in like is like a crack in his awning or 837 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,760 something like that or a ceiling that he's constantly going down 838 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,680 to the the property manager, whatever the apartment building 839 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,080 manager saying he has a crack in the ceiling, whatever doesn't 840 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,280 get fixed. And he knows the most about food 841 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,760 out of anybody. You know so much about food, yet 842 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,200 there's two times like 1. He has all this hardware store 843 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,520 stuff, yet he can't fix anything in the apartment, never even 844 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,640 tries once to fix that crack in the ceiling. 845 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,360 It's not for that. He'd rather just leave it there 846 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,680 and complain about it. And then then he's also when he 847 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,040 tries to cook and eat one of the women, he's just like, he's told 848 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,160 you everything about every dish, what magazine, what Zagat has it 849 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,640 rated at all of these things. And he's like, I don't know how 850 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,000 to cook. This sucks. 851 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,960 Yes. Yeah. 852 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,400 Again, that's like he's every he's every right wing Anon 853 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:36,640 account who are just so I know everything OK, show your face 854 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,440 like who are you? What do you do? 855 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,080 Wicked Docks and they're like 300 lbs and like, pimply and 856 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,120 you're like, that's why you were private. 857 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,640 Yeah. They're like 20 years old and 858 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,680 they're fucking spurgs and they have no, they're, you know, 859 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,960 fatherless in cells who have no idea what they're talking about. 860 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,560 They don't do shit. It's predicting that and maybe 861 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,840 like maybe nothing ever does happen. 862 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,720 Like maybe this is just what the what the new guy is like. 863 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,960 Like it's just a new, it's the same type of guy existing in a 864 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,720 different world and stuff. And it'd be, it would be funny 865 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:13,120 if they like incorporated that into the new films, like an 866 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,320 anonymous profile where he like threatens women online. 867 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,040 That'd be funny. Like where? 868 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,880 Yeah, where like that's, that's like that's the freedom you have 869 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,600 with this character. You can do whatever you want 870 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,040 with. Him Austin Butler is howling 871 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,000 mutant. Yeah. 872 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,880 You'd have you'd have to be something else than that for it 873 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,160 to really work, because Howling Mutant is the a treasure he's. 874 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,840 Funny and he's and he's affable and funny like he's just not 875 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,000 like a true host scarer like like Patrick Bateman. 876 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,560 So yeah, but it just exact. But like one of those people 877 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,440 where like he's just like posting like random gore, like 878 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,080 surgical gore pictures to like women that he knows, you know, 879 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,200 but from like an anonymous account, like you can do a lot 880 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,880 of stuff like that and like kind of kind of modernize it. 881 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,680 Because I, I love, I love that he has zero skills. 882 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,760 I mean, his job, his job is really funny too, because you 883 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,720 get a glimpse of like his job not being real at all. 884 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:10,680 Like he doesn't have to go into the office ever. 885 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,200 He could just live. He owns the company. 886 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,120 It's his dad died and he has the company. 887 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,600 Sean has no interest in running this place. 888 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,200 Just just give me my cut of it. But it's that Pearce and Pearce 889 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,280 firm or whatever. But at the beginning, I think 890 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,200 the beginning of the movie and the book, they ask like Patrick, 891 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,440 you can get away from the office anytime you want, like why do 892 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:29,640 you go to this place? You actually own it. 893 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,760 And he's like, I want to fit in and he and he says that and it's 894 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,520 really funny line the way he delivers it, like with such 895 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,920 severity. But then throughout the book, 896 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,520 you see him like pretending like, like he has a like a hard 897 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,800 day at work, but there's no nobody, none of these people are 898 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,120 ever doing any work. There's no, no numbers being 899 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,680 entered in. Nothing's happening. 900 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,520 It's just lunch. It's just literally lunch and 901 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,200 drinks the entire time. But, you know, he just kind of 902 00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,640 like, kind of like the job is like he, he has a secretary, 903 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,880 like for what? To make reservations for you. 904 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,680 Like the job is completely fake. It's so funny. 905 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,680 I love that part in the movie where Chloe Savini finds like 906 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:16,840 goes through his Ledger or whatever and it's it's like 907 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:21,240 super blank besides just. Nothing happening, Yeah. 908 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,080 There's nothing going on. And then a whole bunch of like 909 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,200 severed, you know, mutilated women and. 910 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,200 And it's drawn like a 7th grader too, like in like 7th grade, 911 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,360 like your class where it's like obviously like you're a 912 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,960 concerned parent. You're like, I don't know, maybe 913 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,360 my kid shouldn't be drawn stuff like this. 914 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,880 But you're kind of like, this is like a loser, kind of like a, 915 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,560 for a guy Patrick Bateman's age. It's like kind of lame, you 916 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:45,680 know? But if it was like a little kid, 917 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:46,720 you'd be like, oh, we got to talk to. 918 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,920 We gotta talk to this kid. Like, you can't be doing stuff 919 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,120 like that. But like, this is a 26 year old 920 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,720 guy, like drawing shit like this. 921 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,400 Who cared? Yeah, I guess it's just so 922 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,920 funny. And yeah, like, there's Jean who 923 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,640 is the secretary who's played by Chloe Sevenier in the movie. 924 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,720 And she is always referred to as Jean who is in love with me, My 925 00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:11,480 secretary Jean, who is in love with me constantly. 926 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:16,720 And he's like, I probably will end up marrying hard body is 927 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:22,240 used constantly a very old school term and and just the the 928 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,480 clubs they go to. I love the the details. 929 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,640 I I love ready Sanella's music stuff because he's like the same 930 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,520 age as my mom and they listen to the same music. 931 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,840 So a lot of the stuff she would play as a kid, he was always 932 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,600 like, he always incorporates into his like 80s novels, 933 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,520 especially the shards. But they'll have when they go to 934 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,120 the club, there's always in excess playing and it's always 935 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,960 the same to in excess songs playing back-to-back at this. 936 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,120 Every club that they go to and like, or that I think there's 937 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,520 one other one like Belinda Carlisle, there's like 3 songs 938 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,480 that are playing at every single club which you, you start to 939 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,240 think to this is another game he plays. 940 00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:58,880 Where am I lying to you? Or are all these fucking clubs 941 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,560 that try to be different actually the same, You know, 942 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,280 like, are all these all these establishments that are like, 943 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:09,840 oh, new restaurant from Jean Pierre is, is, is opening up in 944 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,320 its state-of-the-art and all that stuff. 945 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,280 And they're like, oh, at the end of the day, there's exposed 946 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,280 ducts at the top. It looks unfinished. 947 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,360 And there's a red light and they're playing the same exact 948 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,880 song way too loud. Yeah. 949 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,720 I mean, it is like it's almost, it's almost a book that's saying 950 00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:31,000 every, everything is what it is. Because all these clubs trying 951 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,680 to be different, they're all the same. 952 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:38,760 All these people trying to fit in, they're all psychos, like 953 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,480 everything is what it's trying not to be. 954 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,920 Yeah. And you figure too like, like, I 955 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,920 don't think this is necessarily what he's saying in the book, 956 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,400 but like you think about it like I could give you a couple 957 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,320 sentences from the book. And to take it to somebody from 958 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,880 like the primitive ages of like 980 or something, or even before 959 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,760 that, like just like Viking, like a Viking, like a conquest 960 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,480 Viking guy. And you could say like you could 961 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:10,200 show him the, a paragraph about, you know, Giorgio Armani in here 962 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,040 and going in detail to detail. And then one about like, I 963 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,680 chopped this woman's hair. I took a axe to Paul Owens head 964 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,040 and, and described that you asked the Viking which one's 965 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,160 crazier. They're going to say the fucking 966 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,360 Giorgio Armani thing. Like they're going to be like, 967 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,320 they're going to be like, yeah, why would you care that much 968 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,280 about this stupid shit like that you wear like this thing that 969 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,920 you know, So it's like, it's kind of the idea too is like 970 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,560 they're all the every line is delivered with the same 971 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,040 intensity, you know, except for like the outright like yelling 972 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,800 and like racist stuff that's happening. 973 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,960 And even sometimes instead of like yelling, he'll go. 974 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,800 And then I screamed like this at the woman you know, which acts 975 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,320 as like even more of a crazy thing 'cause you're like, oh I 976 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,240 don't even know what exactly he said but he probably said some 977 00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:56,600 wild ass shit. And then later in the book he 978 00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,080 just calls everyone the N word and stuff and like it just 979 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:05,400 fully, fully 4 Chan's out like and just and and and so it's 980 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,840 it's, it's hilarious, man. What do you think Breti Stanilis 981 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,600 was saying with that? Yeah, I know. 982 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,000 And that's the other thing he's doing stand up comedy in here. 983 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,200 Like it's truly like a stand up comedy routine, like a 984 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,240 character, like performance art as like as a character. 985 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,080 It's like Sam Hi. It's like very like. 986 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,920 Proto Sam. Hi, I was just thinking Sam hot 987 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:29,880 like, yeah, this book is like Sam literary Sam Hyde. 988 00:50:30,000 --> 00:51:00,200 Yeah, no, exactly. You, you have the like, just 989 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,760 the, just the kind of like response that wouldn't work if 990 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,400 someone wrote it that way. But that's why it's funny. 991 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,400 Like it's, it's like, wait, that's why would anyone think to 992 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,320 say that back? Like if you were writing a book 993 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,200 and it's like, well, he's a psycho. 994 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,480 So I, I think that's why a lot of people think this is a cop 995 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,360 out like this. Some of this book is a cop out. 996 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,640 You go on like Goodreads and beyond the people that are 997 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,800 complaining about the actual gore and like, you know, 998 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,560 misogyny and stuff, there's a lot of people saying like, well, 999 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,560 but if you just make a psycho guy and then just say, well, 1000 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,600 he's whatever. And then the the cop out is 1001 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,480 that, well, of course this doesn't make sense. 1002 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:34,720 It doesn't have to. He's a psycho. 1003 00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:36,640 I go, no, that's how this works actually. 1004 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,680 And it's all about how well you establish this character. 1005 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,160 And he's always been a stylist. Brady Sanellas is a stylist. 1006 00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:46,000 That's what he is. That's he's a satirist and a 1007 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,240 stylist. And that's where he wins you 1008 00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:49,800 over from the from the beginning of the book. 1009 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,880 He can do whatever he wants. Yeah, 100%. 1010 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,320 And where, I mean, I think we said this on maybe the Rules of 1011 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:02,760 Attraction episode, but like, if if you have no sense of humor, 1012 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,400 you're just not going to get it. Yeah. 1013 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,000 Like, and people tie themselves up in knots over trying to be 1014 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,880 like, whether they love it or hate it or they're defending it 1015 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:17,640 or they're like condemning it. It's they, they tie themselves 1016 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,720 up in these academic knots trying to be so fucking serious 1017 00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:24,040 about it. And it's like it's, it's not. 1018 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,280 It is. It is ironic and like the 1019 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:34,080 literal definition of it, but but it's not just being, it's 1020 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,680 not being ironic with its nose in the air. 1021 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:42,480 It's like it's being funny. Yes, and you're allowed to laugh 1022 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,680 at how gross it is. You're allowed to laugh at like 1023 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,400 at a guy perplexed as though he bought a bunch of things from a 1024 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,880 store and is like, why did I buy? 1025 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,240 Why did I go to the grocery store hungry? 1026 00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:55,160 I don't know what I'm going to make with this, but it's a dead 1027 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,440 woman splayed out on the floor. You're allowed to laugh at that 1028 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,720 like that. And that's the beauty of of I 1029 00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:03,760 think, and I think we talked about this on the shards episode 1030 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:08,800 as well, where it's just like use the medium to do stuff like 1031 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,600 that. Like This is why writing like 1032 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,960 this is the advantage. If people can talk about, Oh, 1033 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,360 books are at a low right now. Like people aren't aren't 1034 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,720 reading. Well, if nobody's reading, then 1035 00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:22,080 write something weird, man. Like, like if it like the mods 1036 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,760 are asleep, you know, like, like the on the message board, Like 1037 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,120 if nobody's reading, write something insane. 1038 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,840 Because the problem is, is people write books right now in 1039 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,000 the detached ready Sinella's voice because they think, oh, 1040 00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:35,840 I'm detached. I grew up on Vyvanse. 1041 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,160 I fucking am on SSRI. But guess what? 1042 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:40,200 You're not as interesting as him. 1043 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,560 You're not as observant as him, and you're not able to take a 1044 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,320 certain thought and project it into one character that I care 1045 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,840 about for 400 pages. And they're you're detaching 1046 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,440 from nothing usually too like Brady Sanella documents what 1047 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,000 he's detaching from all the time. 1048 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,840 If you listen to his podcast, he goes well in this book. 1049 00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,760 I was rules of attraction. I was going through a college 1050 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,200 breakup where it was a guy that was like bisexual, but more than 1051 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,480 likely going to end up with a woman. 1052 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,440 I was a fling. I thought it was this. 1053 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,680 Therefore, you get rules of attraction less than 0. 1054 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,920 He's like, I felt very numb graduating from this high 1055 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,680 school. And I wanted to to put that 1056 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:17,280 feeling of numbness in there. The shards is definitely kind of 1057 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,000 like a like a an expanded epic of less than 0 in a sense 1058 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:23,520 functions in the same world at least. 1059 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,400 And then this book. Is such a masterpiece. 1060 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,880 I still think it's his best so far. 1061 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,320 Shards is like I, I don't, I think if that came out in 1997, 1062 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,960 it would have been massive. And unfortunately it got like 1063 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,480 wasted on people and people viewed it as a podcast book. 1064 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,720 I think which that is the best way to listen to it is through 1065 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:44,640 his podcast on Patreon because he reads it and they documented 1066 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,840 on the Patreon. I think of like all the chapters 1067 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,880 so you can like get through them and stuff and that is the best 1068 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,640 way. And I think it's unedited on the 1069 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,760 Patreon. And I think some people say that 1070 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,400 the book, which I have literally right here, is edited a little 1071 00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,760 bit more and maybe there's it's just doesn't read as well. 1072 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,520 I think it's like kind of a 'cause I think he meant to like 1073 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,160 have the book consumed through that medium. 1074 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,080 And then eventually people are like, dude, you have to write 1075 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,720 this, we have to print it and all that stuff. 1076 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,760 So I think it's meant to be. So I just think that that that 1077 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,120 book in like 10 years is going to be viewed as an insane 1078 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,800 masterpiece because right now people are like so romantic 1079 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:24,560 about like publishing still. And they're like, well, you 1080 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,920 know, it's not a book unless you buy it at the store. 1081 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,800 Or like you didn't go through the proper channels. 1082 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,360 Which he would tell you don't exist and he's correct. 1083 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,040 Absolutely. And he would know the best. 1084 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:41,640 He's been through it all. And yeah, I, I stopped, I really 1085 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,120 stopped giving a shit. Not like I ever gave much of one 1086 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,880 at all. But anybody's idea of what the 1087 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,120 publishing industry is. When you won't listen to Bret 1088 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,760 Easton Ellis, who has had major success through traditional 1089 00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,720 publishing, telling you that the shit just does not exist 1090 00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:05,520 anymore, but it's not the way to do shit, and he's just dropping 1091 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,680 books on his podcast, you're still going to like, you're 1092 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,760 going to ignore that. Really. 1093 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,840 You think you want to be on Simon and fucking Schuster? 1094 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,320 Like get out of here. You're not there. 1095 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,200 The thing is is like, and I wonder for some people now you 1096 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,160 don't come from this world, but I think there's a lot of like 1097 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:27,960 MFA program people who if they self publish a book and tell 1098 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,200 their parents, right and their parents go what? 1099 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,640 I paid for the fucking MFA program for you to self publish. 1100 00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:37,280 So there's like a lot of like Dad, I'm on Penguin. 1101 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,040 And it's and it's simple validation too, because they 1102 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,960 could be like, hey, dad, I'm on Penguin and he doesn't even ask 1103 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,840 for like, oh, oh, what was the advance or like how much you're 1104 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,320 making just. Unpublished Dad. 1105 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,400 It's just, oh wow, you're at a Random House, huh? 1106 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,600 It's like literally who gives a shit? 1107 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,000 There's people who want Texas tea and I've had honest 1108 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,920 conversations about like I've had really honest conversations 1109 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,320 about it and it's always money. I'm like, how much Like give me 1110 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,880 100 grand we can talk. They're like, that ain't going 1111 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,600 to be that. But like can't wait to read it. 1112 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,280 OK, you can read it when I publish it through Broken River 1113 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,240 because. Right, right. 1114 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:21,320 And and like that's that that is AI think he had trouble getting 1115 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,200 this published. I, I didn't look too far into 1116 00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,360 it, but I, I know he had like trouble getting American Psycho 1117 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,280 published. And this is during probably the 1118 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,920 last era of like the Rockstar author. 1119 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,200 Like, like cuz even in the 2000s that I don't know that we had 1120 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,040 the Rockstar author maybe a little bit, but but maybe that 1121 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,600 was kind of the end of it. But like the 90s was like the 1122 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,920 last like Rockstar author. You had like Freddie Sanellas, I 1123 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,960 think Jonathan Franzen, Chuck Palahniuk, like guys that like 1124 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,520 you, you'd see out on the town and they were as much of A 1125 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,160 celebrity as people as they were writers. 1126 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,320 In fact, some people would only know them as people and maybe 1127 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,680 not read their books or only read their, you know, like the 1128 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,200 Rockstar writer nowadays. Like, like I said, I think you 1129 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,400 have a lot of people who are over educated and they're 1130 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,920 constantly like sitting on material, whether it's good or 1131 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,960 bad, they're sitting on this material and kind of like using 1132 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,600 themselves as a martyr, like trying to get it published in an 1133 00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,000 industry that doesn't exist. And it's like, well, and I 1134 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,840 listen to his podcast when people write, it's a lot of 1135 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,200 writers that that will write him in his mailbag. 1136 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,200 Those are his best episodes of the mailbag ones. 1137 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,320 And he'll say, guys, I'm not trying to like be mean or 1138 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,960 anything. He's like, but screenplays, all 1139 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,360 these things, you're there's no like guy you just hand it to 1140 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,480 anymore. And then the guy goes, well, 1141 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,360 I'll give it to my boss. And that's he's like, it's not 1142 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,280 the way the world works. So like, are you guys? 1143 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,200 I don't even think that's something you can like salvage 1144 00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,960 on your own either. Like I don't think that's so 1145 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,880 like we have more freedom now to do the things that we want to 1146 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:58,200 do, but the you are limited to like, OK, well this isn't going 1147 00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,120 to get a marketing budget from there. 1148 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,680 But again, are is Simon and Schuster giving you a marketing 1149 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,280 budget? Even if they do to publish it? 1150 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,480 It's that's the weird part about. 1151 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,400 It I have a friend who I got to be careful because I don't want 1152 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:15,160 to like throw his shit under the bus, but like I have a friend 1153 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:22,240 who's going through some shit with a publisher who wants them 1154 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,040 to do all this promotion and shit. 1155 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,720 And it's like, here's your schedule. 1156 00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,880 And he's like, all right, so I'm trying to plan this and that and 1157 00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,680 I'm like, how, how are they like, are they paying for this 1158 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,440 shit? Really already knowing the 1159 00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,400 answer, right? And he's like, Nah, but you 1160 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,760 know, it's an investment and like an investment and what they 1161 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,200 like. If you're, if you want me to fly 1162 00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:52,000 to another city, you're buying the ticket or I'm not going 1163 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,160 period. That like it's, it's not a 1164 00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,120 difficult concept. Like it's just, it's just what 1165 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,240 for what? You can't tell me what to do and 1166 01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,160 not cough up some money for it. I I totally agree, man. 1167 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,760 I totally agree. Yeah, I, I just, in this book, 1168 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,160 there's just like constant, like there's constant just new girls 1169 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,160 that show up. I love the almost like the 1170 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,000 chapters, the chapter endings function as like a blackout 1171 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:20,840 where it's like, yeah. And then I blacked out. 1172 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,080 Like, he doesn't say it, but like the the Bateman's like, 1173 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:28,080 this is over. We're at Nell's six hours later, 1174 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,560 after I've ostensibly killed a woman. 1175 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,240 So good at I. I know it's not like quite the 1176 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:40,720 same thing like being a a sociopath or living out it, 1177 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,800 whether fantasizing about being a serial killer or being a 1178 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,800 serial killer, whatever. Like, it's not exactly the same 1179 01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,640 thing as like being a meth head or an insomniac, but they're 1180 01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:55,960 very similar in the way that your day-to-day just feels like 1181 01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,000 it all just blurs together. Sure, when you have a job like 1182 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,320 that too, when you have a job like that, especially just I 1183 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,160 mean, again, he doesn't have to have a job, but again, like what 1184 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,840 if he didn't, you know, he has to. 1185 01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,000 He feels the need to maintain optics for something that where 1186 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:15,120 like nobody gets his name right ever, except Evelyn, like 1187 01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,280 literally like you could. That's also another joke of 1188 01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:19,920 this. He could get away with all of 1189 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,520 this stuff. You feel like oh, or at least a 1190 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,920 a decent amount of it, because like nobody even knows the name 1191 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,720 of the guy that's missing that day at work. 1192 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,920 They're like is that is that Marcus Halberstrom? 1193 01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,200 Is that this guy is at this is the they're like, no, you dumb 1194 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,920 ass, that's, you know, Elliot Johnson and they're like, no, 1195 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,600 it's not. And then it's really a secret 1196 01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,880 like eighth name that not even like there, you realize like how 1197 01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,200 much all this is 1 big BLOB and it doesn't matter. 1198 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,120 And like you said, those days are time warps. 1199 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,960 Those days are just like odd days where stuff doesn't, 1200 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,240 doesn't make sense and logic is gone. 1201 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,880 And like, when you have one of those jobs where you're just not 1202 01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,960 passionate about it at all and you're constantly thinking about 1203 01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,320 the thing you are passionate about, even if it's not killing 1204 01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,040 people, even if it's something constructive, something that you 1205 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,320 actually do. Like, that's the time. 1206 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,000 That's the stuff you care about documenting. 1207 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,320 That's the stuff you care about sharing the people rather than 1208 01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,720 the, yeah, I took a nail and hammered it in there, you know, 1209 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,720 like, and then I did that again. And then I had lunch, you know, 1210 01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,600 like, I'm not going to share that with you. 1211 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:27,120 It's yeah, man, I'm thinking of a totally different spin on the 1212 01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:32,680 ending now to thinking about how everybody is so forgettable and 1213 01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,280 everybody basically is Patrick Bateman. 1214 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:43,000 Patrick Bateman, that there's like, there's the possibility he 1215 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,880 did all this stuff. Yeah. 1216 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:50,320 And at the end they're like when dudes like I just had had dinner 1217 01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,800 with him in London like 5 days ago, it was like, Are you sure 1218 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,160 he might not have or are you thinking of somebody else? 1219 01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:58,600 Right. And you don't know these 1220 01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,560 hookers, these like random girls, which people forget their 1221 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,280 names half the time too. You don't know. 1222 01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,760 And then there is one time where a guy recognizes him as a limo 1223 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,720 driver because he had killed a limo driver once. 1224 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,920 And the way he talks about it, it's funny because the guy robs 1225 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,960 him, which is hilarious. He gets robbed for all this 1226 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:20,040 stuff. It gets like pulled over and he 1227 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,920 gets robbed by the cab driver and he goes, they probably have 1228 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,440 my picture up everywhere at that cab stand where I killed that 1229 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,960 cab driver. He's like, they probably, and 1230 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,200 even then there's like this narcissism elements like they're 1231 01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,720 probably thinking about me 24/7 at that cab stand. 1232 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,040 They got pictures of me everywhere. 1233 01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,200 I'm going to talk to the town. Obviously, one thing we got to 1234 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,880 mention is the presence of Donald Trump in this. 1235 01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,240 He's everywhere. Yeah, yeah. 1236 01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,040 Everywhere. It's kind of funny I cuz. 1237 01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,360 I at the time, you know, Donald Trump is like business tycoon 1238 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:50,920 guy. There was kind of a, a thing 1239 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,280 about Donald Trump like before he became president was kind of 1240 01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,240 like, yeah, what does this guy actually do? 1241 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,440 You know, like he was kind of like, he's just like a wheel and 1242 01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,960 deal like money guy where everything's gold and he's like 1243 01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,520 entertaining and funny and he's gone on The Apprentice and 1244 01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,280 stuff. But this is even before that. 1245 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,640 This is, this is 10 years prior to like him being a reality * 1246 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,240 And he was just kind of like this businessman mergers and 1247 01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:17,640 acquisition socialite guy. And Patrick Bateman wants to be 1248 01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,800 him, right? So I think people would have a 1249 01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,480 different view altogether about Donald Trump. 1250 01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,040 But at the time people were like, wow, he's aspiring to be 1251 01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,160 this guy who like people aren't even sure what he actually does, 1252 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,120 you know, but he's everywhere. He knows there's that part where 1253 01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,280 everyone knows how obsessed he is with Donald Trump because 1254 01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,880 Trump, I think Patrick Bateman talks about the pizza at this 1255 01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,440 one place and he's like, I fucking hated the pizza at this 1256 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,040 one place. And the guy goes, it was 1257 01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:46,560 phenomenal. They don't speak together for a 1258 01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,160 while. The next day they meet up and I 1259 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,880 think it's like Van Patten or McDermott, one of those guys, he 1260 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,360 says, you know who really loved that pizza? 1261 01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,760 Donald Trump. He's like, well, yeah, OK. 1262 01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,640 I mean the flower they use is is fine. 1263 01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,400 I mean. And it's just like he is 1264 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,280 obsessed with with with Trump. So it is kind of crazy how 1265 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,880 predictive all of this stuff is. We're talking about right wing 1266 01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,400 anons, all of these things that this all becomes and then. 1267 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,160 People if Trump loves it, then it's the best. 1268 01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:16,680 It's which is which is what so many people do with the it's 1269 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,920 like pick a lane. Do you want to follow who who 1270 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:26,680 like Ray Pete or do you want to be like McDonald's is the best 1271 01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,280 food of all time? You know why? 1272 01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,440 Because Donald Trump says that it's the best. 1273 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,600 Like pick a side. He's a plan trust. 1274 01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,120 I mean he's like he might be the first plan truster Patrick 1275 01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,920 Bateman. He might be the first like Q 1276 01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,840 Anon guy. I mean you figure I mean he's 1277 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,440 killing people and he's obsessed with Donald Trump and I'm not 1278 01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,280 like, you know, I I'm not even against the guy. 1279 01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:50,560 I just mean like it's just funny. 1280 01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,040 At the time you're reading this, you're like, how the fuck? 1281 01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:54,760 Like, how forward thinking are you? 1282 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,160 And obviously I don't think even, you know, Bryson else is 1283 01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,120 thinking that Donald Trump's ever going to be like president 1284 01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:00,760 of the United States or anything at the time. 1285 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,920 But it's just kind of crazy how the news cycle, like Patrick 1286 01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,280 Bateman's news cycle is kind of like our news cycle. 1287 01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,800 Like there's these times where Patrick Bateman's just like at 1288 01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,000 the beginning when he's trying to impress people at the party 1289 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,760 and just talking about every current event. 1290 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,760 And he has that show that he watches the Patty Winters show, 1291 01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,440 which is the subject matter gets more and more like Requiem for a 1292 01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,320 Dream. Like as the book goes on. 1293 01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,960 Like at first it's like, well, you know, this, this lady's on 1294 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,480 there and she lost her house and she's talking about it. 1295 01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,080 Then it's like, oh, silly pet tricks. 1296 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,280 And then it's like 14 year old girls that sell their pussy for 1297 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,320 crack. Like it's like the and 1298 01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,280 afterwards, and which again, that kind of was a thing. 1299 01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,640 And during 90s daytime talk shows there was like 1300 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:42,840 exploitation. So it's not that out of the 1301 01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,240 question, but I just think he's like a guy who's just saying the 1302 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,720 news cycle over and over again and then going to Trump and then 1303 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,320 you're just like, whoa, there's people like that now. 1304 01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,400 And they they're void. They're all, they're all void of 1305 01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,720 any actual interest in anything too. 1306 01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,800 So it's just, it's, it's, it's kind of it's nothing ever does 1307 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,720 happen, even despite the world changing. 1308 01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:10,320 I I think you're most intuitive just when you document shit when 1309 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,880 you're just observant in the present moment. 1310 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,760 Noticing. Noticing is how you become is 1311 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,240 how you intuit the most and and you don't know it when it's 1312 01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:22,480 happened. Like I don't think Freddie 1313 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,440 Stinellis was very forward thinking or predictive and what 1314 01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:30,800 he was doing with any of this. It was just like being 1315 01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,800 observant. And then you really see how just 1316 01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:42,080 shit evolves and it, you know, alchemizes and it mixes with 1317 01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,760 different things, but it doesn't really change. 1318 01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,080 Yeah, he's almost like doing this, like Hunter S Thompson 1319 01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:52,720 kind of thing, though not really declaring himself as that. 1320 01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,720 Like he's kind of just like, I'm involved in all of these things, 1321 01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,600 all of the stuff you guys watch on TV, Entertainment Tonight, 1322 01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:01,600 Who? The celebrity who's dating this, 1323 01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,040 who does that? I will tell you what that world 1324 01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,120 actually is. You'll be surprised how boring 1325 01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:10,000 and stupid it is. But what if in that boring and 1326 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,200 stupid world, there was a guy talking about sawing women's 1327 01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,040 heads off, putting stuff up their pussy. 1328 01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:18,160 Like doing all of these crazy things, but saying it in the 1329 01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,600 same tone as he is describing the latest Huey Lewis in the 1330 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,840 news record? Which again, that in itself is 1331 01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,880 an irony because those records are not anything beyond pop 1332 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,960 music. Like anything beyond like, you 1333 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:36,160 know, yuppie like convertible phone inside the car, like 1334 01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,920 driving down the coast just hit listening to hip to be square. 1335 01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,040 And he talks about it as though it's like William Blake or 1336 01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:47,279 something like and and and it's the the, the the whole part of 1337 01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:50,920 that is like these people will find this importance in stuff 1338 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,800 that is just not important at all. 1339 01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:57,439 And that's more that is more psychotic than actually just 1340 01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,600 engaging in something and then throwing it away and being 1341 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,359 moving on to something else, you know, just being like, OK, this 1342 01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:03,200 is here. We listen to the news. 1343 01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,640 I'm going to go listen to this other artist later. 1344 01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:08,960 He puts this like, no, you don't understand. 1345 01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:14,920 And that's the psycho that like psychotic obsession with, I 1346 01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,520 won't say bad music. I don't I'm not into it, but 1347 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,240 like bad music. But he also hated all my guy 1348 01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:21,840 Peter Gabriel and the Phil Collins thing. 1349 01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,160 So I got a little pissed off about that. 1350 01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:24,560 I hope that's not a real opinion. 1351 01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,160 I fucking hope that's not ready smells. 1352 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,200 His real opinion that Peter Gabriel was the worst part of 1353 01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,520 Genesis, because I would if I ever talked to him, I will 1354 01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:35,279 fucking like bring that up. I hope that's like a Batemanism 1355 01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:40,760 and not a Ellisism, but. What would a crazy person think? 1356 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,760 Maybe I'm hoping because that's correct. 1357 01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,520 That was what a crazy person would think. 1358 01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:49,479 But yeah, he just this idea that like everything that I'm fixated 1359 01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:54,120 on, despite it being literally just consumerist, nothing, 1360 01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,480 whatever. If this is game seven of the 1361 01:09:56,480 --> 01:10:00,040 World Series level important and I'm now I'm glad I have you as 1362 01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,680 my audience, even though we're all interested in like, hey, 1363 01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,360 what are you going to do? That girl you just met? 1364 01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,840 Yeah. So, yeah, it's Jean. 1365 01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,720 Jean too. He I like, I like to, I like, I 1366 01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,000 like what they do in the movie with Jean. 1367 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:20,120 They they combine her with the other girl who basically Patrick 1368 01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,480 says, oh, I can't, I'm going to kill you if I'm with you any 1369 01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:26,240 longer, you know, And he's that that's that part's good. 1370 01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,280 I like what they do in the movie with combining Jean into that 1371 01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:30,680 character. But then in the book it's good 1372 01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,360 because it works well for the book when he actually kind of 1373 01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:38,120 soft dates gene a little bit and he was like, I can't do this, I 1374 01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:42,240 am a psycho. There there's a lot of that in 1375 01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:46,920 the book, you know, and and knowing what medium you're 1376 01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,640 working with, right, going back to that, like there's a lot that 1377 01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:56,760 should not have been in the movie, but it only it only works 1378 01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,880 because it's the book. And I'm curious what I hope with 1379 01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,720 the new movie they take from the book but do the same thing. 1380 01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,360 They're like, this is a movie we're going to, you know, do 1381 01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,720 something different. But I hope it's not just a RIP 1382 01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,040 of the movie that's already been made. 1383 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:15,800 You know, let's modernize it and throw in some different actors 1384 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,840 and do the thing that they already did with that other 1385 01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,880 movie. I like Luca a lot. 1386 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:25,160 I think Luca is one of the best directors right now. 1387 01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,800 So I when I found out it was him, I got excited and I'm 1388 01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,120 excited for Ryan Murphy to do the shards, which I think is 1389 01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,560 great because I think you need a trashy gay guy to do shards. 1390 01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:35,600 That's happening. Yeah. 1391 01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:40,160 That yeah, that could be tight. It's a series too. 1392 01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,400 So it's like, you know, they're going to and I, I just think 1393 01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,040 Ryan Murphy's not going to skimp on like the psychotic gay 1394 01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:50,760 stalker, like yearning aspect of it and and the trashiness like, 1395 01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:56,120 because you know, I re I watched there's a game of fiction 1396 01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,640 episode coming out on sharp objects, which is a masterpiece 1397 01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,440 of a book in my opinion. And I loved the show when it 1398 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:03,880 came out. Then re watching the show, the 1399 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:08,120 2018 series, I was like, it was directed by some like French guy 1400 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,480 who had to make it look like high arts with what's always 1401 01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:14,640 twilight in the magic hours hitting. 1402 01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,400 And it's like, no, I want like a sweaty person with, like, sweat 1403 01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,840 stains and like, you know, like I want like that, you know, and 1404 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,320 people are sweaty in the in the show. 1405 01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:27,360 But I think Ryan Murphy's more or less going to do a good job 1406 01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,920 with the shards and at least make it just entertaining. 1407 01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,760 And I think that I think that show might make, if the show is 1408 01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,400 good, it's going to make the book a hit because it is a 1409 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,680 really good mystery thriller. Like, it's like, like, yeah. 1410 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,680 It is crazy how slept on that book is like everybody will like 1411 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,920 in in our bubble. I feel like we're in a couple of 1412 01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:53,120 bubbles because I know people from like the indie literary 1413 01:12:53,120 --> 01:13:00,160 world who really fucked with it. It's weird how much of like a 1414 01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:06,200 cult hit it is when it's so far into this mega stars career. 1415 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,520 Like he's fucking Bradyson Ellis and it's like a a cult hit, a 1416 01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:15,680 little known, like a best kept secret that this is a modern day 1417 01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,920 masterpiece. And he lost a little bit of 1418 01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,520 audience, I think, in terms of literary audience, when he wrote 1419 01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:27,040 White, which is good. That's right, I haven't read 1420 01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,160 that one, but it's. Good. 1421 01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,920 It's good. I mean, it's kind of like by now 1422 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,680 it's stuff you've all heard. But he was saying it at a time. 1423 01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:36,960 He's like, why are we tripping out about Donald Trump? 1424 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,200 Like, why are we like, why is everybody like going crazy? 1425 01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,080 Like when I was a kid, very rallying against PC culture, 1426 01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,760 which now when you hear somebody come out against PC culture, 1427 01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,800 you're like, hey, man, where were you a long time ago? 1428 01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:49,760 But it's good. But why? 1429 01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,920 It alienated a lot, a lot of his audience, which is funny because 1430 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,920 you're you're when you're a Freddy Sanella's audience person 1431 01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,080 and you're like a liberal or something, like you're always 1432 01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,760 scared to like indict yourself. I think that's when you have to 1433 01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,920 like insulate yourself from the material where you're like, 1434 01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,120 well, he's satire and you know all these things. 1435 01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,320 And yes, it is satire, but you're reading it. 1436 01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,760 You're sick and gross, so deal with it like you're quote, 1437 01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:16,760 you're ugly. You read the graphic gay sex 1438 01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,520 scenes you've done you've you read all that stuff and you 1439 01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,720 liked it and you, you like the misogyny in his books. 1440 01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,440 You like all of these things. It's satire that's coming from 1441 01:14:26,440 --> 01:14:28,560 the inside, though. Yeah. 1442 01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:34,200 It's like a lot of satire is. Look at the It's Always Sunny in 1443 01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,920 Philadelphia, right? Which the majority I haven't 1444 01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,800 seen every episode or whatever. I don't think anybody has. 1445 01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,480 Yeah, it's. Been on for so fucking long it's 1446 01:14:43,480 --> 01:14:45,400 crazy I. Thought it was AI the new season 1447 01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,440 looks like AII was like Are they just AI ING it's? 1448 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,920 Always Sunny maybe, but like that shit's coming from the 1449 01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,120 outside. Like these are mega libs that 1450 01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:58,600 are making this show about just the most the trashiest, most 1451 01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,440 terrible people. But it's still it is funny. 1452 01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:05,880 It works, but that is how most satires is coming from the 1453 01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:07,920 outside. Bret Easton Ellis is like, these 1454 01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:13,800 people are me and I'm going to make fun of them and I'm going 1455 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,600 to ridicule them, but they're me. 1456 01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:20,840 And and he's and he's making fun of himself as the observer 1457 01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,760 sometimes where it's like, who are, who am I? 1458 01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,480 Am I, what am I doing holier than thou, you know, in the 1459 01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:30,000 shards, like, you know, that's ultimate unreliable narrator 1460 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,000 kind of kind of story where it's like, I'm observing this, I'm 1461 01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,000 writing a book. I'm the smartest kid in school 1462 01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,600 kind of basically, but then getting called on it and be 1463 01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,160 like, dude, you're fucking insane. 1464 01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,120 Like what is wrong with you? It's just people saying that 1465 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,920 constantly and like being like caught in the act. 1466 01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,840 Whereas in like American Psycho, like you said, he probably likes 1467 01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:48,520 a lot of the clothing these people are wearing. 1468 01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,960 He probably likes them. I mean, I know he likes Body 1469 01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,280 Double by Brian De Palma. I know I just heard him talk 1470 01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,240 about it. And like, I know he like a lot 1471 01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,080 of these a lot of these things. He's probably like, yeah, I kind 1472 01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:59,840 of like it. Like I I'm 1 foot in, one foot 1473 01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,760 out as the observer. But also when when somebody 1474 01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,560 notices you observing and like calls you on it, that often 1475 01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,560 happens in the book. I feel like, in his books where 1476 01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,000 it's like, hey, man, you're in here with us too, buddy. 1477 01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,320 You're not better than us, you know, and, and, and I think 1478 01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:18,960 that's the coziness and the intimacy of a Bradyson Ellis 1479 01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:20,400 novel. Whereas a lot of people think 1480 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,520 he's keeping you away and detaching and stuff. 1481 01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,440 But really it's like, oh, you're observing. 1482 01:16:24,440 --> 01:16:26,360 You're right there with them watching everything happen. 1483 01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,440 That's something that's something I decided to do with 1484 01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:39,760 Texas tea was like, I've always been very, I think like coming 1485 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,000 at the observations that I've made in other books of, you 1486 01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:47,720 know, hood rats and low lives, but from an empathetic, like 1487 01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,080 right there in the trenches with them. 1488 01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:55,840 Like perspective like this is. And it's a sympathetic 1489 01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,160 perspective and it's a lived experience or whatever. 1490 01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:03,240 But like with Texas tea, I'm just like ridiculing the same 1491 01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:07,360 people, like all calling out all the bullshit. 1492 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:14,520 And yeah, it it's it's that that satire coming from inside the 1493 01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:16,760 house. It's like, I mean, this is me. 1494 01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:18,360 Yeah. And also, here's all this 1495 01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,360 bullshit. Right, right. 1496 01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:22,760 No, I hear you. Exactly. 1497 01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,240 And, you know, bringing it back to what we were talking about 1498 01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:30,200 earlier is like just how this book still resonates to this 1499 01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,840 day, perhaps even more so because I think people just 1500 01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:34,560 maybe weren't even ready for this at the time. 1501 01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:38,240 It became a, it became a best seller after a while because 1502 01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,000 because of the taboo nature of it. 1503 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,280 I mean, people wanted it censored. 1504 01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,760 People wanted it out. I think to to a degree that 1505 01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,800 ended up happening. It was wrapped in plastic for 1506 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:47,400 that's. Right. 1507 01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,640 Like a biohazard, almost. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1508 01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,240 Which is that? That was always insane to me. 1509 01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:55,200 That's. Tight though. 1510 01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,960 That's tight, yeah. Because you know, there's like 1511 01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,920 porn would be wrapped in plastic so kids can't just open it up 1512 01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:04,880 and look at naked bitches in the bookstore. 1513 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:09,960 Or you'd have manga for the same reason, like a lot of really 1514 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,040 graphic manga would be wrapped in plastic. 1515 01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:20,080 This is a book with words. Like that's that's baller shit. 1516 01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,240 Honestly, I can't think of another time they did that to a 1517 01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,720 novel. Yeah, it's like, because it 1518 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,760 also, you know, what's weird about it is like it's there is a 1519 01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,680 taboo nature to like open the Hellraiser cube, right? 1520 01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,000 Like you're like, I'm going to open the Hellraiser cube because 1521 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:35,920 if I saw a book raft and I'm like, what the fuck is that book 1522 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,520 raft in plastic in the fiction section? 1523 01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,680 I'm like, I'm buying that. Like, for sure, I'm buying that. 1524 01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,720 It's the explicit content, the parental advisory sticker, super 1525 01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:45,120 gore. Yeah. 1526 01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,520 Now when you don't see, like they put that shit on there 1527 01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:54,840 trying to keep people away from it, and now you put like every 1528 01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:56,760 artist puts it on there themselves. 1529 01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,200 They don't go through a board to get on there. 1530 01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,680 They're like you'd make sure you got the explicit sticker on 1531 01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:03,760 there. Yeah, they say fuck like 3 more 1532 01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:05,240 times and I think we qualify. Yeah. 1533 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,080 Yeah. It's just, yeah. 1534 01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,920 It's just, it's just funny. And like, you know, with him, he 1535 01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,040 talks about, you know, the book writing himself. 1536 01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,040 He notices a certain thing and he's like in the book writes 1537 01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:15,760 itself. He was not a working writer. 1538 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:19,120 I think he would take jobs with like Vanity Fair, I think times 1539 01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:21,080 and times do to do profiles and stuff. 1540 01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,520 But in terms of novels, he was not a like working short story 1541 01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:26,440 writer. He didn't want to write a novel 1542 01:19:26,440 --> 01:19:27,840 a year. He wasn't like one of those 1543 01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:29,840 people. But you know, I think he maybe 1544 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,520 regrets a little bit not working that way because, you know, 1545 01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,200 maybe there's money left on the table. 1546 01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,440 But every one of his books has like this huge, I mean, I won't 1547 01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:40,880 say everyone, but like a lot of his books have the like massive 1548 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,120 cultural significance and staying power too. 1549 01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:46,200 Like, I mean, you just people are buying this again, like 1550 01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:47,680 people are buying these these things. 1551 01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,400 And especially with American Psycho, where what it what 1552 01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:54,360 happened post 2020, you basically became like a psycho 1553 01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,120 in your apartment the whole time if you followed the rules, which 1554 01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:01,360 Patrick Bateman is following the rules the entire time. 1555 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,880 He is all about optics. He is worried when he pays for 1556 01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,960 meals that they cost, they don't cost like they're not expensive 1557 01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,400 enough. So he's like, oh, I picked up 1558 01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:11,920 the check. Now I think I'm a cheapskate 1559 01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:16,040 because I picked paid a $273 meal, you know, rather than the 1560 01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,840 401 that McDermott picked up the other night. 1561 01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:23,640 And and he's playing by the rules, these arbitrary rules, 1562 01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,640 but rules nonetheless. And if you did that in like 1563 01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:30,200 2020, you became just a person that stayed in their apartment 1564 01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:33,880 all day, did nothing but like analyze gear, order stuff to 1565 01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,240 your house, spend beyond your means or whatever. 1566 01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,240 I mean, I don't know, Bateman's not doing that. 1567 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:41,560 But like you're spending like, like it doesn't matter. 1568 01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,600 Kind of like in this like time caps kind of this time warp 1569 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,640 thing and you're online and interacting with people and like 1570 01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:53,600 yelling and just basically blogging your thoughts online or 1571 01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,920 on front of a microphone like this, you know? 1572 01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,440 And, and that's why when you pick this up, you're kind of 1573 01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:01,680 like, damn, man, if I didn't leave my house for a fucking 1574 01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,480 week or something. And like the, everything was 1575 01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:07,840 shut. And you know, I remember people 1576 01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,120 lost some of their, some of their etiquette or some people 1577 01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,720 lost some like hygiene during times, you know, during the, 1578 01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:14,440 during those times. And you think of the time where 1579 01:21:14,440 --> 01:21:16,720 Patrick Bateman's like, my apartment's unusable right now 1580 01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,040 because of the rotten fruit smell, which I now realize is 1581 01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:22,760 Cynthia's head, you know? And like, they're, there's just 1582 01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:26,920 like these people like the Patrick Bateman type of like the 1583 01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,480 person who's following the rules all the time, except in their 1584 01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:33,840 mind is absolutely present and hype and, and even more so now, 1585 01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:37,640 in my opinion. You see all these spurgs on the 1586 01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,200 Internet, but you were seeing them in real life too. 1587 01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:47,000 Whenever like I think majority of outside society has kind of 1588 01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:52,160 at least anywhere I'm at, like people have kind of been put in 1589 01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:56,000 check enough that we got that shit balanced back out. 1590 01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:59,800 But I remember because I was working all through, I was never 1591 01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:05,800 confined to anywhere during the, you know, the 20, what, 2019 to 1592 01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,920 22, whatever it was, I was out working. 1593 01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,040 It was like this construction bitch, like the world shut down. 1594 01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:17,240 We got to get these buildings opened up, but I would go into 1595 01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:21,440 like open stores that I was remodeling or delivering 1596 01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:26,920 something to and there'd be people like shaking coming up to 1597 01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:31,120 me. Like why aren't you wearing a 1598 01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:34,880 mask? Almost like, bitch, have you not 1599 01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,080 been punched in the face enough in your life? 1600 01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,160 Like get your finger out of my face. 1601 01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:41,480 If you were scared, you wouldn't come close to me, by the way, 1602 01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,240 you know, like if you were, you just want to be annoying. 1603 01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,040 Like there was a window where people were like, their 1604 01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:52,840 psychosis broke to the point where what they would type, you 1605 01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,440 know, aggressively from a keyboard, They were actually 1606 01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:58,520 coming out in real life and trying to get in people's grill 1607 01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,160 about. And I'm like, hold up, 1608 01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,440 motherfucker. Yeah, and you and and it made 1609 01:23:02,440 --> 01:23:08,040 you rather than, you know, in 19, the late 1980s, any thought 1610 01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:11,360 that you had, you had to still implemented into like an action, 1611 01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:12,960 like a physical action in person. 1612 01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:16,000 Whereas if you had these evil thoughts about people on like 1613 01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,720 spring break or something like, oh, they're spreading germs 1614 01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:19,960 everywhere. You could just find those 1615 01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:23,720 persons employers and call them. So like your sociopathic thought 1616 01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:29,320 was a lot easier to put into action than Patrick Bateman were 1617 01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,000 back then. You know, like in that in that 1618 01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,480 time it makes it easier to be a psycho in my opinion now. 1619 01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,600 Yeah, and you and you know, if they had the choice, they would 1620 01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,760 want to go with like an Uzi and just spray the beach down. 1621 01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,480 Yeah, go to a mega church, you know, like super libs will be 1622 01:23:43,480 --> 01:23:46,400 like, I'll go to a mega church and get, you know, like do some 1623 01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,640 crazy thing like that. Like, I mean, if you go to blue 1624 01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:49,880 sky right now, that's what they're doing. 1625 01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:53,040 I'm like blue sky, like they're saying crazy stuff on like like 1626 01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:54,400 crazy violent things. It's. 1627 01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:58,480 It's I got, I got into I I stalked a couple of people who 1628 01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:01,600 we were beefing with a little while back and was like, where 1629 01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,280 do they say it on their gay little platforms they like to 1630 01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,440 use? And it is, it is absolutely 1631 01:24:06,440 --> 01:24:07,920 psychotic. And they're always 1632 01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:14,360 screenshotting us owning them on, on X and, and being like, 1633 01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,760 look at these races. Like, yeah, look at where we 1634 01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,400 really put you in your place and you look like a dork. 1635 01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:23,560 Exactly, exactly. Like it's that Patrick Bateman 1636 01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:27,280 mentality of just like I won because I'm, I didn't give up. 1637 01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,520 I won and all of this stuff. And it's like, dude, the person 1638 01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,520 that you're hyper fixated on, it doesn't know you exist, you 1639 01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,360 know, and, and, and they're, they're like, they know that 1640 01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,560 you're a thing. You're like occupying a chair 1641 01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:41,120 right there. And if you weren't there, they'd 1642 01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:42,040 be like, hey, where'd that guy go? 1643 01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,200 But they'd say a name that's not yours or something like you, you 1644 01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:49,440 don't exist, like to them. And, and that's, that's the, the 1645 01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:51,920 fun of the book, man. I mean, that's, that's, that's, 1646 01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:55,160 that's the fun of it. So, yeah, I mean, it's, it's I, 1647 01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:57,680 I, I will say this. If you are somebody who's like, 1648 01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:59,280 well, I've seen the movie like 10 times. 1649 01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:00,840 Like, what's the book? They trust me. 1650 01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,200 The book is a did pick it up. Yeah, pick it up. 1651 01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:07,760 It's it's worth it. You know, my opinion always 1652 01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:13,800 grows on on the movie. Like I remember back in the day, 1653 01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,640 you know, I'd watch it here and there and be like, it was a, it 1654 01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:19,840 was a heavily rented movie, heavily played movie on cable 1655 01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,040 and stuff. And so, you know, you'd either 1656 01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:26,040 see parts of it all the time or you'd rent it a few times. 1657 01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:29,120 And I was like, yeah, it's a good movie. 1658 01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:33,680 And then a few years ago, I just randomly watched it again and 1659 01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:35,640 was like, yeah, this movie slaps. 1660 01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,880 This is a great movie. It's watching it again. 1661 01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:41,520 Even after reading the book, I was like, this movie's fucking 1662 01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,480 incredible. It's so good. 1663 01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:49,320 But you you got to read the book like the book is the experience 1664 01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:50,600 for sure. It almost feels like a 1665 01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,400 novelization at times, like where it's like they're like, it 1666 01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:55,560 almost feels like the reorder was reversed, like it was a 1667 01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,400 movie that became a book because you're like, oh, all the they 1668 01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,840 did take a lot of the stuff that you need to put in here. 1669 01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,040 And then they make their allusions to things that they 1670 01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:05,680 can't show. Like when he has the spinning, 1671 01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:09,040 the lock of blonde hair as he's like sitting in the office, like 1672 01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,400 just to let you know, like, hey, something went down, don't 1673 01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:14,200 worry. And there's there's like. 1674 01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,200 But yeah, this is well worth picking it up. 1675 01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,760 You can, you can read it in like two or three days. 1676 01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,440 Like truly it's 400 pages. But like, you'll just, you'll 1677 01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,160 become addicted to it. You'll just want, it's like a 1678 01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:27,120 it's, it's, it's like you're doing a deep dive onto 1679 01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:28,480 something, onto something like that. 1680 01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:31,840 And, and you'll be laughing your ass off. 1681 01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:36,840 There's just certain certain replies that he has or certain 1682 01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:39,480 internal thoughts to something someone says that you don't 1683 01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:42,960 exactly get in the movie, that those are really funny. 1684 01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,800 And yeah, like I the man with, but with the movie, I I've seen 1685 01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,360 it so many times. I remember Breti Senos. 1686 01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,120 I couldn't remember if it was the director or the 1687 01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,280 screenwriter. I think it was the director, 1688 01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,440 Mary Herron. And she could be wrong. 1689 01:26:56,440 --> 01:26:58,280 It's either director of the screenwriter and you know, it's 1690 01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:02,040 a woman directed movie. And she she came on and she was 1691 01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,760 talking about like she tried to find some angle, which is so 1692 01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,480 funny how she can adapt it so well. 1693 01:27:07,480 --> 01:27:12,080 But she found some angle about how it's like commenting on like 1694 01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:16,440 toxic masculinity. And he he's nice in the 1695 01:27:16,440 --> 01:27:18,680 interview. He goes, oh, no, is that what 1696 01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:20,560 you saw out of it? Like, because he's like, it's 1697 01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,800 not, I mean, but like it's not what's happening. 1698 01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,680 Like it's, I mean, I guess technically you could say if you 1699 01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,320 believe what's happening in the book to be true or just the fact 1700 01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:32,680 that his thoughts like, yeah, maybe that is a toxic male trait 1701 01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:34,320 that you want to saw women's heads off. 1702 01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,920 But I don't know if that's worth, I don't know if that's 1703 01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,200 worth telling a story about if that's all you're doing. 1704 01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,640 There's not a lot that it has to say about masculinity, honestly. 1705 01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:46,120 He doesn't even know what masculinity is. 1706 01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:49,040 No, but yeah like he literally does not. 1707 01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:52,040 He doesn't know what anything is other than what he consumes. 1708 01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:57,640 If American Psycho is any sort of commentary on masculinity, 1709 01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:01,160 it's like this is literally the problem with fatherless 1710 01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:02,560 children. True. 1711 01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:08,680 This is a guy whose father is dead and who is probably distant 1712 01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:12,920 the majority of his life, and this is what he's left with. 1713 01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,480 Like this is what he thinks the world is. 1714 01:28:15,480 --> 01:28:18,960 He he has no fucking center of gravity. 1715 01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:23,960 Yeah, and also just the fact that he's just such a nobody and 1716 01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:26,520 he could disappear for a month. I think he like does I think 1717 01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:28,680 they go to the Hamptons or something and he's like still 1718 01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,000 torturing animals even though he's supposed to be on a getaway 1719 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,040 with. With like Aspen? 1720 01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:34,520 I think it's Aspen. Yeah, that's right. 1721 01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:36,760 And he's like, still, like, they're like, you could use our 1722 01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:38,840 cabin and Aspen like, oh, this would be such a great getaway. 1723 01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,120 And he's like, anyways, I bought some mice to torture. 1724 01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:43,080 And like some cat and like a. Cat and stuff. 1725 01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,200 He's like, yeah, we're getting away, we're having fun. 1726 01:28:45,480 --> 01:28:49,240 And and it's just it's just funny how he kind of throws you 1727 01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:52,040 off the trail when you think you have a read on the book through 1728 01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:53,840 then. This is funny as fuck. 1729 01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:55,840 This is hilarious. I love it. 1730 01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,640 I could read 1000 pages of it and I wouldn't get sick of it. 1731 01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:04,440 And yeah, I mean, Brady Sanellas will be is will always be an all 1732 01:29:04,440 --> 01:29:07,400 time great to me. And I think our next one is, I 1733 01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,360 think our next one's Lunar Park after this. 1734 01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:11,440 I I don't know what. Was it Lunar Park next? 1735 01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:12,840 I can't remember. I can't remember. 1736 01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:14,280 Glamorama, I can't. Remember. 1737 01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,000 Oh, it's Glamorama of. Course it's. 1738 01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:17,960 Glamorama yeah, absolutely. That's that. 1739 01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,160 That one I think is that will have potential to be my favorite 1740 01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:24,000 because I think it has like the Thomas Pynchon like absurdist 1741 01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:29,640 espionage conspiracy stuff to it that I think I'm going to really 1742 01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,560 like. I know that book people are torn 1743 01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,840 up about, torn on that one, like whether people like, I think 1744 01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,000 people who love it are like, this is his best. 1745 01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:40,280 And if you don't like it, you're like, it's unreadable. 1746 01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,920 So I'm excited about that one. Hell yeah is I'm hyped because 1747 01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,480 it's the one I'm least familiar with, like. 1748 01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:48,720 Yeah, that's right. Glamour Rama. 1749 01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:50,280 That's right. Yeah, I was like completely 1750 01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:51,920 forgot about that. Cuz then it's Lunar Park after 1751 01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,720 that and it's like, yeah, I'm, I'm excited. 1752 01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:56,800 I'm excited 'cause there's there's the lore of Glamorama 1753 01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:59,560 where there's the Kit Pardue movie where he's just having sex 1754 01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:01,080 the whole time. And I think it's like directed 1755 01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:04,080 by Roger Avery who did the rules of attraction thing, but it just 1756 01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:09,320 never came out. That sounds like some shit that 1757 01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:12,280 you would have like it's like it's never, it's just never 1758 01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,200 going to happen. I don't know if I have that 1759 01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:16,280 correct of who directed it, but I think I thought I was supposed 1760 01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:16,680 to be. Roger. 1761 01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:21,800 How unfortunate too, because Kit Pardue is like the perfect Breti 1762 01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,800 Stenella star. I mean, he's great in was it 1763 01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:26,640 rules of Attraction, Right. He's in, he's in that. 1764 01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,320 Yeah, he's he's great. Which that's I mean, American 1765 01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:31,640 Psycho is an awesome adaptation. I think rules of Attraction is a 1766 01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,800 tougher, even tougher thing to adapt the way they did it. 1767 01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:38,160 And I think I was like, those two movies are better than the 1768 01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:42,840 less than 0 movie, which I think it's a more acclaim nowadays are 1769 01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:46,680 well, American Psycho gets a lot of acclaim, but the the rules of 1770 01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:48,520 Attraction 1 is is really, really good. 1771 01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,920 I mean, that's that movie is like, I was kind of surprised 1772 01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,000 because they do a lot of different things, but the tone 1773 01:30:55,480 --> 01:30:58,280 that Ellis has is all in there. And that's that's all that 1774 01:30:58,280 --> 01:30:59,760 matters when you adapt a book is like. 1775 01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,200 It feels like it could have been directed by Ellis. 1776 01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:05,560 It definitely does. No, it definitely does. 1777 01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:11,080 So yeah, guys coming up on on Gain of Fiction, we have gosh, 1778 01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:14,680 what's after this? I think it's going to be Sharp 1779 01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:16,960 Objects. This is a free episode, by the 1780 01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:18,320 way. Enjoy it, guys, Enjoy it. 1781 01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:22,640 This is a free episode. If you want to hear over 60 1782 01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:25,600 other volumes of gain of fiction, you can go to 1783 01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,680 rarecandy.substack.com and sign up for the premium feed. 1784 01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,160 It's well worth your time. You could be. 1785 01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:32,520 You'll definitely find a good reading list. 1786 01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:35,120 They're basically and companion pieces to it all. 1787 01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:37,800 But I'm doing something big on Gravity's Rainbow coming up. 1788 01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:42,160 Also there. Gosh, I have so many in the in 1789 01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:44,880 the backlog right now. Oh yeah, David and I did Eaters 1790 01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,200 of the Dead with the with the Michael Crichton novel. 1791 01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:49,600 That'll be coming up relatively soon. 1792 01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:53,720 We've also covered almost all of Michelle Welbeck's catalog in 1793 01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,840 reverse. And so we're working our way up. 1794 01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:58,880 Platform will be the next installment there. 1795 01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:02,440 And then it's Southern Gothic Month in August that we will be 1796 01:32:02,440 --> 01:32:05,160 doing William Faulkner's As I Lay Dying and Flannery 1797 01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:09,840 O'Connor's Wise Blood. So on that no guys, everybody 1798 01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:11,280 have a safe week. Listen to agitator by the way, 1799 01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:14,200 listen to agitator by God's fair, no better be on the 1800 01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,200 lookout for Texas tea. But where? 1801 01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,520 Where do you guys? It's Amazon is the best way or 1802 01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:22,840 or for your guys's books. You can find them on Amazon. 1803 01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:24,280 Yeah, you. Beef with them. 1804 01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:27,280 You beef with Amazon though. I do they still they owe me like 1805 01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:28,800 thousands of dollars. What? 1806 01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:31,880 Yeah. That's right, You did tell me 1807 01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:33,480 about that. I mean it's that's nothing for 1808 01:32:33,480 --> 01:32:35,840 Bezos man. Yeah, I know. 1809 01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:38,520 It's like literally just give me my money. 1810 01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:45,000 But whatever, you can find them. It's through that I figured out 1811 01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,480 a way I I'll get the money from it, you know now. 1812 01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:50,680 But you guys have your own site too. 1813 01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,200 I I can't remember what you guys it's like. 1814 01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:55,760 I sell on kelbylosac.bigcartel.com. 1815 01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:04,120 David, he made like 4 websites at a time, which is smart to. 1816 01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:08,840 I told him, you know, you all need websites, but now I can't 1817 01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:12,960 remember which one. ronantrash.bigcartel.com I 1818 01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:15,200 think. Or maybe it's ronantrash.com. 1819 01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:17,880 Yeah. So buy it on Amazon I guess. 1820 01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:20,640 Yeah, make sure you guys make sure you guys get that support 1821 01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,800 them. They've both been very, very 1822 01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:27,400 critical part of this particular series as well as our show in 1823 01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:30,360 general. So that's, that's all I got 1824 01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:31,520 guys. Everybody have a safe week and 1825 01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:32,600 look at you guys next.