So, the I can't stop thinking about the seed oil doctor.
Can't stop thinking about it. Well, sum it up her.
What happened? Where to start.
So there's a, there's an account and I mean, I guess for us like
it's kind of one of those things where we weren't like
necessarily talking about any one person.
We're talking about seed oils and stuff.
Like it's kind of we're just talking about like the reacting
to a meme that you see and basing an entire identity around
it. It using it as a catch-all thing
for everything. Bad in the world is like is
always somebody trying to sell you something on the other side
of that, right? Yeah, I will say we we have, we
have some wild, we have some like kind of non-conventional
Health takes on here, but it never comes with like, a product
that we sell. Do you know what I mean?
Like, that's not a yeah, and I buy my yeah, Alex Jones is
coming. It's not, yeah, that is coming.
But nonetheless, the seed oil disrespect her.
Out and I always got Vibes, like, anytime.
I see like a health account and then it's got like an OP who,
you know, frog thing go. I'm always like, all right, you
know, what's okay, like, probably some funny shit.
But like when it comes down to, like the nitty-gritty, I bet
this is, this is going to be, you know, something this is
going to be somebody hiding something that you know, is
compromising to what they're trying to sell me.
So sure enough, that's what happened.
So, the seed oil disrespect, your guy was going at these
other guys. They're my think there were some
raw milk guys, which is a very, very refuel part of whatever
you're all wrong. They will.
I mean, that's the reason we need to be armed.
The raw milk. They'll come back to the six.
We be in the mix with that rare candy.
Paint job on our way. I need food for the kids money
for the rent. Fuck.
I like down baby. I can't do that shit.
Now. I'll never go home cause I'm
fucking broke. Either way.
I not a policing, only me alone on a Plane by the physically,
Rockne crypto told me. I should bring the Glock with
me. So I packed up my And I'm
sliding slide because we might get caught up in a riot, middle
finger drunk middle finger biting.
Fuck. I left Buckle right as you ride.
Real love to see those rocket can do politics, baby.
We just talk for the birds to the breaks.
We be in the mix with a rare candy.
Paint job on away from you it. And I think seed, oil guy
definitely had a heat check moment when he was going at
those people, because all of a sudden all this guy's Dirty
Laundry, gets put out in a Twitter thread, you know, it's
like, you know, if there's a thing where it's like seed oil
disrespected, cheats on his wife, you're like, all right,
whatever, you know, I mean that hey, what does that have to do
with why I follow them, right, you know, and stuff.
This dude literally had the like fucking vaccination, picture
with the mask on getting the Backs and he says, like my kid
has autism and guess what we still do.
I don't know if that was exactly the term, but like like what he
said, but it was used the word like, you know, I have a child
autism. Like these vaccines are like
fantastic. It's like the most likely to
save lives. Maxine, save insane.
Like the type of thing that some I've had.
It was like, did somebody doctor that?
You know, I mean to, like, make his picture look worse or
something. Nope, and then after that, and,
and our guests here, my fitness feelings has Has had some some
some words about this too. He had the classic patented
Mass. Selfie.
Yeah, I mean the classic patented mask selfie that that
almost is never coupled with a good take on the internet almost
every wow. Now it's unforgivable.
Really. I mean, this is no reason to do
it. I mean, like, it hides your
face. Yes.
Need to see that defeat itself. You know, I mean, it's like
wearing a, I don't know. Yeah, it just doesn't doesn't
make any sense and then also, It's like dude.
Who do you, who are you kidding with this like, you know your
audience like esoteric right-wing.
Raw milk people and they don't want to see you in a mask.
It's not seriously. It's retarded.
I can't believe he did that. It really are genuinely.
I've I could never, I still don't get it.
That's all I heard. Is that once I heard it was a
doctor. Yeah.
Yeah, that's a tell-all.
And then and then also there was like, and I can't, I didn't save
the thread. But there was a thing like that
they were he was partnering with this company.
You know. What?
Yeah, this is where it gets crazy.
This is where it gets. This is where my, what I was
babbling about at the beginning of this makes sense is, you
know, somebody whenever somebody can isolate the all the ills of
society and all the wrongs of society, whether it's, you know,
like I mean the seed oil stuff goes even though like, oh that,
I think if kids are gay now because of it like, you know,
that's that stuff. Like it goes that far.
The tentacles are reaching that far.
So when I say the things, you know, No people.
They always want to offer you a substitute that's made by some,
you know, startup or something. And I'm trying to find it right
now. The it's called 0 acres farms,
which it's a yeah, it's just a disgusting name.
Really? I mean, just say it's nice, like
it's not. I mean, yeah, it's not a farm.
Like I hate that but yes. Yeah, that sounds like a Gates
owned thing. It does that sound sounds like a
gate something. But yeah, it's, this is like a
seed oil. Alternate side.
Remember, like, what was it? What was this is fermenting.
I think they're doing like, bioengineered fermented through
like yeast or bacteria, to produce fatty acids, that
produce oil, that is not seed oil.
So, if your stuff it's like getting the cooking oil from
bacterial sludge, which, again, I was like, what?
How are you going to sell this to your audience?
Like it's like like I'm not a keto guy but like but like, you
know guys are just yeah, it's like you guys are just all like,
you know, they're all like gimmicky and butter and shit,
which I respect way more than some dumbass biotech project.
What's the Bible? Text in there?
I'm out. I'm like, all right.
Yeah. No, it's like.
Come on. This is no, you know, I've never
it's like the 0a occur. It's crazy.
I never trust. Yeah.
I just can't think about dogs are the name zero acre because I
know where you're going with. That is like, yeah.
It's like you won't even notice me Man.
Zero Acres, 19 knows me here and then ignite in your dish man.
Don't fear doing the whole thing.
Like, oh, well, you know, poor people can't afford like non
inflammatory fats. So we and their whole like like,
this is somehow going to take off and all the worlds, like all
the, all the seed oil production, economies are going
to switch to this, you know, like these go.
Yeah, 0 Acres, let's that sounds great.
It's like, it's so ludicrous. It's such a guy.
Fish a cash grab. Everyone's gonna win that 10
acres. Gets on the Shelf of every
store. And fish Stickley, gets rid of
all the Missoula products on the Shelf, you know, burning
Fahrenheit, 451 style hormones. I'm thinking with flamethrowers
and stuff. When that happens.
Everyone will look at the sky at the same thing in the sky and
you don't know what it is. Very like twin peaks' you know,
like looking at the sky and then they'll all just become more
masculine stronger. Yep.
That's right. 451 smoke point.
It is what it is. Yeah, you should be able to
smell like a meme right away. You know what I mean?
Like, even like certain things that like smell a meme diet and
you can always tell when you're arguing with somebody who's just
like on a meme diet. Well, you're like what he was
saying. The means that when even the
good like they weren't even good memes that this guy was pumping
out, know he was like, it was legit.
Not that funny. And I would always see like,
yeah. Wasn't of your you know, the
people you follow fucking, you know, follow this guy.
See like I would always see that shit.
Yeah, like yeah. Okay.
Yeah, but I just don't really get how he got that many
followers because of Any, that's the thing.
Is this guy, the raw milk guy dug in and was like showing that
he was, he was linked with 20-acre thing from the start of
like their accounts or some shit.
Yeah, but I mean he was like, he was never LinkedIn like there
were the first friends, right? You know what I mean?
The first person, you follow her whatever.
So that's what I was like, weird and bad about it is that it was
clearly like a knob, you know, from top to bottom.
They see ya. Like I don't even care if
someone's a grifting, if someone's Griffin only like, I
don't even care. Like, I'll be right back.
Yeah, but hey, it's so ridiculous.
That would be like, if my account turned out to be like a
shill off for one of those weird Trevor Seasons, like, don't,
it's not a mask. It's like a weird like plastic
like do Like how did your face, you know what I'm really against
masking but I just want you to buy one of this weird like head
thing. So it's such a betrayal.
The, the ethos. I mean, it's really seed oils to
me. I mean, I actually I'm probably
one of the very few people who have actually I don't consume
them at all like my girlfriend. I would make every everything
from scratch basically respect. But yeah, it's like an it's in
nutritional scapegoat, you know, I mean, it's just like, You
know, yeah, they're bad. But that's not really the
problem. The problem is, I'm just like
one thing, right? That if you just eliminate that,
then you can fix it all of your health some Before.
He'll work. You just summed up everything.
We've been talking about the last mission statement.
Yeah, and I just wanted to pause it real fast.
You were talking about being a child.
Do you want to be official like we're not recording right now.
What do you want to be a show for us?
Like can we turn around? And yeah.
Okay, cool. Yeah.
I'm thinking like some similar product.
Anyways, we're recording again. The anyways, yeah, where were
we? Yeah, see, that's just so funny.
Guess what? Like you said that you're like,
I don't cook with seed oil like that.
I never knew that about you and that's cool.
That's a fun fact. You should like talk about once
you talk to somebody for a while and then you bring that out.
This guy's like hey nice to meet you.
I don't I don't you see Doyle's. All right, you know.
Like that's like they fall into the fall into like the vegan.
The guys like that, who run the accounts they fall into, like,
the vegan thing that people use where they're like, hey, you
ever met a vegan. Don't worry, they'll tell you,
you know, the first and they me and it's like that.
Yeah, the seed oil be more like the fucking like, the, you know,
it's like I like when that's just a fun thing.
I find out about say, hey, by the way, I don't need any of
that shit, like, you know, it's, yeah, you know, it's like, it's
just funny when it's just like thrown at you, it just and you
can always tell there's some product behind it.
So I just always thought that was hilarious.
And, and yeah, Then he was always like I had to get it's
for the hospital. You know, I mean, it's a good
thing. You didn't have to make the
post. No, and yes, God and he put it
in black and white like, I mean, I'm sorry, dude, but come on
Jesus. He tried to set some Sarah
Mclaughlin music to it, but it wasn't a technology wasn't man.
I'm like, I like not trying to hate on any dude or anything,
but I man. After a while after 15 minutes,
no, I mean, like, I mean, like a dude, as in like a like a
masculine sense, like your poetry more than like a few.
If you're posting more than a few selfies, as a dude, like a
year, like it's just like what the fuck's your Nota?
I don't know. Like three, it's like that.
Yeah, I don't, you know what? I mean?
I don't know, man. It's just like, so I go.
No, I do. It's just weird.
Like, all this internet should always contact creating shit you
especially like the You know, like whether it's the YouTube or
The Tick-Tock or whatever, where you see, people living their
lives and, you know, they had to set up a camera and multiple
angles to do it. You know, it's like food want,
the traveling ads are great on. Like you had no fun.
Yeah. Yeah.
Exactly. We're like the guy like I saw I
saw one person doing it at a place over here.
That's kind of like historical or whatever.
Oh, you know what it was. It was the Winchester Mystery
House, dude. I'm like, which is the biggest
psyop of all times not like is one of the worst places in the
world like do Evernote and it costs like $70.
Yeah. I know.
It's ridiculous. Yeah, it's horrible.
And and so I saw somebody doing that and like we're at the like
gift shop or something and and because we were working a job
over by there and this and we saw this lady on the inside and
she's like, okay, like that was good.
Now, we need to take a bite and save a bite for the thumbnail
later, like of the food. Save a bike to like thumbnail of
the content like that. We're making, I'm just like, oh
my God, imagine every meat, every meal needing to be like
like The analytics on the meal that you ate and said well that
burger wasn't quite worth. You know, we did get 1200 views
on the burger, but it was 2850. Yeah.
Yeah, it's rough. Yeah.
So my fitness feelings is back, he's back and like I said, I was
telling you off air that the last time you came on and that
was our Christmas episode number.
We like pre-recorded that for Christmas.
So I don't typically remember like who came on when and like
when that was but I have vivid. Memories of that one I got.
I believe I got covid the next week.
So would you care about yam to Kumar dude?
Yeah. I mean, you know, yeah, I'm
vaccinated so I don't know how that happened.
I I'm like quadruple triple. You know, I've been getting all
the tickets you weren't. Yeah, I'm actually not.
But yeah, it was a very festive episode was respected.
Man. People people like that, people
liked it. And so I don't know if you
always give away where you are, but you're in the midwest.
Chicago. Yeah.
Okay. There you go.
That's fine. Yeah, that's City.
Not, not the best for people who didn't get a couple Jabs.
How has it been? How's it been out there?
I mean, I have my ways, I guess of getting around things.
But, you know, dude it kind of blows honestly, and it's not
even so much. We all the restrictions and all
that stuff, obviously, terrible, but the worst thing was just
just seeing the way the culture transformed.
It's like the city basically in a matter of months, pretty much
just imploded. I mean, it was crazy like the
downtown Chicago, the crime is exactly great.
Here and it was sort of held him sort of held in check by this.
you know, very favorable ratio like normal commuting, like kind
of business people who would become coming into the city,
like keeping the crate that, you know, you just for enough, like,
normal business people around, it's kind of like limits what
can happen, fundamentally, but once you, once you got rid of
all them, I mean it was just nothing but, you know, people
shooting each other and weird Chicagoland like gang feuds and
and then you combine that with You know, the lids you're just
waiting in saying, I mean, they really did.
I had been like a year of just crazy.
I mean, I'm sure was just like, in San Francisco.
Really, I mean, just people, you know, just losing their mind
over it but it is a little bit better now, the math and all
that stuff kind of receded. So I'm enjoying it and taking it
for what it is. Yeah, run a weird post space
right now. For all these Metropolis by
Metropolis. He's you know where?
I don't know. It's kind of everyone's We're
like no one forgot what we just went through.
What we're all trying to move on and some people are trying to
ignore where they stood on these issues.
You know, yeah, you got people being nicer for you.
These days. I have people being nicer to me.
You know what I mean? Is that happen to you guys?
We're like people that were it weren't.
So yeah, you know, it just talk in the store now.
Yeah, like that's what I've noticed.
Like I was I was in like, what is it, like, a Target or
something like that? And I remember like, It was so I
didn't realize how eerily quiet you ever like be somewhere.
Where, like just a low like humming noises happening, like
maybe some construction outside or something and then like once
it stops you like, I never remember anything ever being
this quiet, you know, like after the after that humming stops and
what, what it's like out here is you go in the store and like
people are like, chatting and talking to each other and you're
like, man, like I don't maybe they haven't just like in my
head. I always thought like, oh,
people were saying things in the store and stuff.
It was like, man, know everybody's got their head down.
Like, in this weird like, like clinical trial thing like, you
know anymore. Would you like going through a
store? Like they have a contest like
they're shopping for like a chop dish or something.
It's just, it's just so insane. All these like instacart people
and like walking around but now like, you know, it's people are
still fighting going back to like regular regular life out
here. People that got like a custom to
it, but it has been nice. I haven't had to wear a mask
anywhere. They did the mandate where
they're like, you know, only if you're vaccinated like you don't
have to where I'm at. I'm just like County Health
Care, you know, so right on the honor System.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Hello to the Trader. Joe's out here maskless and you
know the fucking and the Portland one of the Portland
Trader Joe's and it's everyone. It's like more people are
wearing masks now than before and it's correct and we're like
what the fuck. And then we're all like, you
know, when these people go to Fred Meyer, they're not wearing
masks, you know, and we didn't wear them, you know, and it's
yeah. Yeah, but it was just, it's
crate. Oakland is insane, man.
It's crazy. I love the Loyalists.
Oh, yeah, anything. The royalists out in public like
that? Because they, you know,
everybody, you know, the the take you see often they like,
dude who cares if they're if they want to still wear a mask
like, who cares? I have two problems with that
one. I need like a month of like a
mask ban. Like I just need one, because
know, I just I need, I need fascism my way for like a month.
I mean, you know, I just, I just, yeah, you just know.
Hey, June 1st, no problem. But until then, you know, Like,
I just, I need, I need that. And two, they don't think that
way they are thinking, like, they're like everyone stupid,
except me like Homer Simpson GIF.
And like, they're all looking around and they're like, man, if
I wouldn't have to wear one, if everyone would wear one or
psyche, they have like this, you know, you can see that look on
their face and that's always been fun.
And it's like, you know, I go to some stores and it's messed up.
You know, I mean, I still messed up.
I'm like the only one in there which still does feel weird
because you're you have this compulsion to, like, even if you
You don't want it. You're like, oh my God.
Am I like, is it gonna be? Okay?
Like, you know, and and so that's it's been, it's been
fascinating. I keep seeing these this take,
it's like we need to keep the mask mandates because to make
the people not because we need it.
But just to the people who want to keep wearing them feel
comfortable, right? It's like that.
There's that. There's even an audience for
that article is so despicable. I mean, it's just it's like, how
could you? I couldn't live with myself.
I thought I'm gonna make like, oh, this to face Society.
Forever, also destroys as I do, because I'm like awkward going
into Bed Bath and Beyond or whatever with my mask and it
just it's it's a really a shocking level of like, I don't
know, weakness. I mean, honestly, on the, on
behalf of these people. Yeah, exactly.
And like, you know, everybody's thinking about because I've been
really disgusted seeing like out of New York, you know,
everybody's seen that Erica. Adams video, I'm sure him in the
oh, yeah, I'm up with that. What is going on with that lady
next to him? I don't know if anybody's seen
that video but that lady that stance in next time just like
what Justice? Let's explain that for a second.
Like I just have a question to hit for him about that person.
I'm like, what was what was with that lady dancing?
Like she was like was that ASAP Rocky show her something was
that what I'm saying? Yeah.
I don't know. He look like he was working
security there. Yeah, you just like can't Vibe
at all at this though. Like we're yeah, it's like do
it. I'll say this.
Like if you're going to be a hypocrite like I need to see you
live. At least Gavin.
Newsom went to fucking French Laundry laughs.
Fuck you, you know, I mean like at least at least he got his
money's worth like Eric Adams went stood around without a
mask. Like, you know, yeah.
I was just, it was just dumb. But what about what I sent you
today that interview where that, well, yes, like like hey, why
are you still masking Toddlers? And he's like, man, New York
City is like no other city on earth man.
It's like wait, what they do shit like they do in the other
cities. It ain't gonna work in New York,
man. Yeah, just like what?
And, you know, we're going through.
Potential Governor change, maybe we'll see in California and I
do. Yeah, how much?
Yeah. Become this on your thoughts on
developing thoughts. Oh me.
Yeah, 100% Yeah, so I didn't know much about him, Michael
shellenberger. That's kind of the hot name now
of among the dissidents, like, oh my God, he's gonna, he's
gonna do it. And I you know, I remember sigh
and I texting and you know, I to some people's Delight to some
people not Delight, you know, the homeless take that was said
a couple weeks ago. Sounds a little similar to what
Michael Schellenberg has been saying and so I look deeper into
Them, I listened to his Rogan interview.
And so how many red flags. Did you count the first hour
lat? Now leave lat.
And well, I want to get to use the one that that you, that we
haven't really spoke on a show on the show at all.
I don't think, but we'll get to that, not Michael.
Michael shellenberger is a lip tarde, Okay.
I just want, I just want people to know that, like I like you
vote for him, but I'm not telling you to vote for on.
I'm telling you not to vote for him.
Just know you're voting for a lip tart.
I don't think. He's as bad as Gavin.
Newsom. I don't think that's.
Oh my God, Khloe. I don't think so at all.
But that you could, you could have a conversation with that
guy and like, have a reasonably good.
That's the problem is, he's swayed by a fucking
conversation. Literally that like, that's what
I hate is. He's one of those guys that will
like, oh, I just want to go to the marketplace of ideas and
talk to the smartest Society W guys.
And they'll, I guess what, sometimes that guy's Bill Gates,
you know, I mean, and he's just like, we're going to do this.
He's like just talk to Bill great talk.
Like, he's like one of those guys like, he's like, I'm
thinking that we go with the paperless.
The system. And, you know, I mean, I used to
think that stuff is crazy. But like, he's like works for
George Soros for a while and like you're already in this, you
know, I got love and respect for dr.
Robert Malone, but it's like, when we couple that with people
who used to work for George Soros, that were trusting to
save us, people who used to make mRNA technology.
I don't know why we're getting the constantly.
The people that were making shit, that ruins people's lives
and now they're going to fix it for us, you know.
And like, we're not trusting. Dr. Robert Malone to solve
covid. Like, you know, I mean, that's
not what we're doing. But I have to trust the guy who
Michael shellenberger, his covid takes.
And now, look, everybody in March is allowed to be scared.
There's a grace period, right? I mean, I'll let's hear a lot of
people were at me and myself included, right?
Like he has these threat. He is a threat on like March
15th. That is like God awful, because
not not that he's scared of the virus.
He says it's number like, hey, it's going to kill like 10
million. I was skeptical at first, but
it's going to kill like 10 million people like You know,
aha over the next. So he had this like crazy model
they had and then like all of a sudden he's like climate change
is all the Liberals care about. We need to care about this.
We need to care about covid. Like people are dying, people
are dying and and then he's like, we need to do.
We need more, we need the ngos. We need the ngos that are
funded, that the Democrats, you know, champion and support the
ones that they do for climate change, which isn't as bad as I
say. We need that for pandemics.
And I'm just like, okay, regardless what?
Yeah, I'll dmu the thread right now ngos with Davis from from
future pandemics. Yeah.
It was like, rug wait, like, that's never okay, to say, you
don't know guy. That's yeah.
Biotech will save us from that seed oil.
Literally. I'm just, you know, this is bad,
bad etiquette for a podcast, but I'm going to send my fitness
feelings. The, the thing and is DM right
now. I want him to take a look.
I sent you a one. By the reply, okay.
I'll read it. Right just that way.
One guy. There's a huge lengthy thread.
And then this guy said this guy asked some tweets.
Adam says, don't the agencies which have which have been doing
that work for decades? Have a pretty hefty budget.
It's not like the work doesn't exist.
It's that the politicians don't listen, let us stuff like that.
Michael shellenberger replies. Yes, but no organized, advocacy
movement of ngos exist, for pandemic, mitigation and
preparedness, like like exist for climate and advocacy is
hugely important. In shaping policy.
Agendas look at the high priority of climate for climate
for Democrats compared to pandemics.
And, you know, when we talk to people like, dr.
Jonathan Latham, who are talking about, like, no, I'm sorry.
There's plenty of funding for these fucking virus things.
You know, I mean, we like spend money on.
Oh, yeah, we still spend money on Anthrax, shit.
Dude, like stuff like that. I guess we're all this stuff
coming in, but did my problem with these IDW guys is, and I
probably am reacting to this harshly just because it's where
I live. No, I'm this guy.
This guy could run the place and they will always Never say we
need to get rid of the institution, right?
Or at least, not lean on the institution.
It's that the institution can be saved by competent people and
it's like one, they've kind of create this fallacy where like,
there's people aren't, it's not, it's not a lack of intelligence.
It's having the wrong take, you know, I mean, I know some of the
smartest people in the world with the worst takes, you know,
I mean and like that. These are the people that can
get by get over on these IDW guys.
Yeah. I think I think that's really
well. Said I was thinking as I was
posting about Ivan illich earlier today and he has a, he's
take on institutions or his theory of Institutions.
They could at any institution, basically produces the opposite
of what of the need its intended to solve, like The Police become
criminals and media lies to you, you know, doctors make you sick
and so and so and rights always kind of the opposite and I think
the the danger That you're pointing to it.
He's like, shellenberger sort of deal, is it if you start
thinking along those lines, like the problem is actually easy
institution itself, in some sense, having a more competent
institution is actually worse, right?
You can do more damage. If it has like more money.
It's got more confident people. It's got better technology.
They've got ngos, like, agitating for it to be able to
do even more, that's like the worst situation you could
possibly have. I would much rather have Just
some incompetent like fool running things, you know, at
least they might make a mistake, you know, or something, right?
But like optimized, technocratic control.
Like need to get even more vaccines, even more people.
Like that is, it's terrifying. It's really not.
It's not good. No.
No, it's, you know, it's what it's why Jordan Pederson who?
Okay, like, all right. Let's talk about IQ, right?
A lot of the what do you think? Do you think these got sayur?
Somebody I could trust. This is what do you think?
Those guys? And I know you and I trust this
metric, the way other people do or apply it to everything.
We do. You think almost all these IDW
guys. They probably have, like, high
IQs, right? Yeah.
For sure. Yeah.
They're like smart guy. I mean, like, you know, the
weinsteins. They're smart guy.
Yeah. Hi q.
And they, they care about that metric.
That's all Jordan. Pederson talks about is like
psychology and IQ and like, that's his whole fucking thing,
you know, and but yeah, it's like we all know anyone.
That's Spent any time around a Mensa guy, which is by
definition of high IQ and knows, it individual knows that I try
not to but it happens. Yeah.
Yeah, those people are not going to solve any of our problems.
Like everyone knows everyone knows that an instinctual me.
Yeah, everyone, you know what I mean?
Yeah. Yeah, I mean about intelligence
to that. I think people don't get it.
Everyone imagined. It's only externally facing,
right? Whereas, I think people that are
really smart. They're also really good at like
tricking themselves, you know, like they're better at lying to
themselves and you know, whatever and it's something it's
really get things. Right.
But there are often times just better at justifying their own
kind of bullshit. Right?
And that's not necessarily a good.
You know what I mean? Like, often times you just find
like, more complex rationalization to the things
that you already want to do which, you know, I'm not like
always into that. Yeah.
Mmm. Yeah, 100% agree, like.
I mean, I guess where I was getting out with the IQ point.
It's like, okay. I know this is not meant to like
to our horn or anything. I don't have a high IQ.
I've never heard, I've never tested it, but I just know, I
don't have what they have, and I think I'm around, like,
probably, I probably say it's like around 100.
If not lower. Like, I just, I don't like I did
that. I took geometry three times in
high school. I'll admit it.
I took it three times in high school and it's not because I
loved it. You know, it was it was is It
was rough, you know the shapes get me and I know that IQ test
it mostly shapes. It's like, I have no idea if
this Block B into this thing at the count.
How many triangles are in this fucking thing?
Okay, and probably, so, I took it, I took it, I took a test
online, right? And, you know, I'll let you guys
determine maybe what this means for my intelligence because I
took the IQ, like, one find out your IQ and I get through the
test. I'm like, this is insane.
Like, you know, the fuck is. Shit, I got it, Mike.
These people are the ones that are making decisions for for my
life, as people that can count, how many fucking triangles or in
a circle or something? Yeah, sick.
And I'm then, so, anyways, I get done with it and it says like,
you know, finish and it's like okay to get your score that's
going to be $35. You know, I mean, am I call me a
low IQ guy would pay to find out.
That's the way that's the test. That's the only parent that's,
yeah, you know, I think I may be, I think I'm 140 actually.
Yeah, he's got 140 if you don't pay.
That's how it works that do. That would be such a good fake.
Like website arbitrary score? That doesn't you got this.
Well, it's crazy. When the, because these people
are trying to the thing that got me.
I don't know where you guys stand at.
What you can talk if you want to get into this.
Now about the whole energy crisis and Nuclear and solar.
And yeah. And then fracking and all that
shit because I hear your first off.
What is he, what? I mean?
He's like the guy the nuclear guy, right, shellenberger.
He's nuclear and fracking, and basically he's out on solar and
wind big time as being like, dramatically unsustainable and
things like that. Now I'm like, I'm more of, I'm
like, a, I'm like a wind and solar defender in this.
In this cut. We're in this age where Where
it's to else. Like are you going to be anti
those two elements where? Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah, but it's like we're in this age where everyone's got
the pro-nuclear take and I you know, those take where it's like
You know, it's like it's like a it's my same thing with Andy and
I'm not saying any you guys agree with any of this shit but
it's the same thing where everyone has the cholesterol
doesn't have heart disease. Doesn't cause heart disease
take, which is like maybe it was like maybe it was overblown that
cholesterol did cause heart disease, but now it's the
complete opposite, you know, now it's like that with wind and
solar where it's clear that we didn't solar are going to solve,
like, all our energy problems, but now people like hate them
and think they're Terror, right? You're not going to like and I'm
kind of like well, hang on like On both those issue.
I'm kind of like I'm like, I'm like this is there's not I'm not
willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater here kind of
thing and I don't know how you guys feel about it.
But but it's and I did. I it granted, I did work for one
of my jobs, was I work for a wind?
Like a wind lab, like a winds place?
My eyes. Yeah.
Well, it's like and want to say it like that.
The guy works for was legit one. Let's talk about high IQ.
That guy fucking, was it green. Jorge Soler roast.
Yeah, that is named after so so roast.
Yeah. Yeah.
Was he what I mean? Yeah, that's now gone.
Sorry my whole thing like like the solar wind and I guess I
like solar better than wind but I'm Pro disruptive Technologies.
They are decentralized. Right?
And that's what solar is Right Loop.
Something like nuclear is by definition extremely
centralized, right? It's, you know, it has to be
centralized. There's other things like Micro
Hydro things like that, but I You know, I don't know where I
stand all that stuff. But I know that like a lot of
these, these new kind of reactionary critiques of wind,
and solar are like a little bit overboard.
And a little bit there. They're falling into some myths.
And I just don't think we should throw the baby out with the
bathwater and they have a place on the they have a place here,
but I don't know. What do you guys think?
I don't know. I don't know anything about
solar or nuclear. I just know nuclear scares the
hell out of me because I am like honestly, like there's people
that are like Fukushima truthers and he was one of them Michael
shellenberger. He's like, literally one person
died of radiation. I'm like, yeah.
Okay. I did.
I don't know man. Like, I, that stuff scares me
this. I like your idea of you know,
decentralized. Yeah, nothing.
Yeah. I've been seeing this Ilan you,
they're all saying it on Rogan. You all know saying the same
shit right? Wow, or no, I think it was on
like screaming or whatever, but he was going over there and
eating the vegetables. A sort of Fukushima to prove
that it's safe and everything. And it's like, man, it's I like
how they say that. The modern that, that with, you
know, modern modern nuclear power is safe.
Now, they like and, you know, third or fourth or whatever
General 5th gen reactors. We figured it out and they can't
melt down, and they can't do X Y or Z, but then this stuff keeps
happening. And I know I'm people are going
to say that it's because Fukushima wasn't one of these
new reactors or whatever. But um, I don't know and I just,
I'm sorry, the family ability of humanity.
And I know that there's some definitely.
Some are tantric, any fans. I would disagree with us on
this. But yeah, but yeah, you're not
in good standing with them right now either.
Not a, yeah, I'm, yeah, we're, I'm trying to be like your third
straight week of psyops like, yeah, exactly.
Well, yeah, thank you. That is my hope.
Yeah. I don't know if you guys have
You have Pro like a lot of pro-nuclear fans.
I'm just kind of curious about that.
I don't know if we do. I we I don't think we've talked
about this, like, at all. I don't, I don't think we have.
I see a lot of that going around though, like where they like
nuclear is the weight nuclear's? The way a lot of people like
shellenberger cuz of that like a lot of people do, you know, and
I, I don't know, like, I can't say I'm like, oh this, you know,
I used to attempt at some Solar Company to and it was kind of
like a I just seemed kind of fake, to be honest.
Yeah, what we were doing. I gotta just like this that I
just felt like, very hungry Homer Simpson like just.
Yeah, I mean, ironically that's nuclear.
But like, you know, I kind of was like, I just felt like
having like this really dumb like Homer Simpson style job
like at this at this place and just fiberglass floating
everywhere. And yeah, and just like probe
wires, like testing energy stuff and I don't, I have no idea the
effect of it. I mean, could I'll toss you?
This. Could we run?
Society. As it is do it.
We have to make changes for solar energy.
Like what do we have to color? You?
Could we can use as much as we do.
What you need is I think you need a mix of.
I mean, a like many first of all, solar panels, they last a
long time. And, and the.
What what everyone's saying is you can't recycle.
I looked in the recycling bin because we were talking about
this and the Discord and and I think in one of my dreams were
too, but I looked into it. And the recycling thing is a
little bit overblown that we can't recycle solar panels.
It's extremely. It's they use extremely
conservative estimates for how long they last on how quickly
they degrade and generally, it's like a good 10-15 years further
than that. So if we slapped every every few
slaps floor panels and everything.
Now, every house every Community, blah, blah, blah, we
could, we could basically, you know, we can buy ourselves a
good 40. You know, 40 Years of time
before, we'd have to recycle the new solar panels being put now,
which I'm sure we would have much better technology to be
able to recycle them. 40, 50 years and much better solar
panels than to replace them with.
Does that make sense? It does and Where else is it
going with this end? Yeah, and my whole thing is
like, you know, I don't think I'm not, I don't think we should
actually have giant Fields full of solar.
I think solar should be should be disruptive.
It should be on every surface that isn't, you know, like most
roofs could have solar even in cold climates even in cold
weather and all and probably weather and all that stuff to
wear. It would just removes.
It would just be such a huge. It'd be like waking up and
finding an extra, you know, 25 Grand in your bank account and
you'd be like, oh shit. I got some greedy.
I'm now like all you know. I could, I could, I could, you
know what? I mean?
It's just like one of those things where if we did that, as
a species, you know, where we could just cut electricity cost
to the home, still have everything linked up to the
grid, still have everything, you know, all that stuff.
I just think it's just a, there's so many benefits towards
having a stopgap and like a, like an alternative and just
something to break up. This whole centralized thing
that we Got going on and then from there to generate stuff as
a society. The whole thing is like
batteries, right? You do we have enough batteries
and I think there are a lot of problems with the batteries and
the cars and the Tesla and all that stuff.
And I think that's the bigger way bigger problem than the
solar panels is the batteries, but in terms of like societal
energy, a battery is just you know, store of energy.
Like we could have a battery as a society, we could We could
pump water up a hill during the daytime, with solar and wind and
stuff like that. And then use that energy at
Night by releasing its potential energy and cranking a turbine,
you know, like a like a, like a water turbine by releasing water
down the hill. You know what I'm saying?
That's a battery. Technically.
That's a very low Tech battery. Everything.
We're trying to do everything with tech that with the highest
possible Tech. And of course that's going to be
part of it, but I'm saying, like just using fucking gravity and
like water. Annex and stuff like that.
We can solve a lot of problems, cover huge, you know, because
everyone's worried about nighttime, you know, because of
cities and stuff like that. Yeah.
So that I don't have been ranting for a while, but I just
think there's so many like cool little things.
Solar hot water is another one. That's my favorite one.
Where it's like, where you know, like and you know, huge
percentages of like a Mediterranean get all their hot
water from solar hot water which is complete, super low Tech,
super easy last forever free. You know, and it's just little
things like that. We need like a patchwork of all
this stuff with some heavy-hitter stuff.
But I just, you know, when you run the numbers like Society
needs X your, of course, you're going to be like a solar and
wind are fucking retarded, and we need nuclear, but I'm saying
it's like that. That's kind of like a straw man
as is like, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, we know. I mean, it makes sense.
I mean, I think I was Yeah, I'm struck by a few things in
relation to the solar wind stopped and nuclear.
Stop the shellenberger. I mean the thing I get about the
nuclear bro, sort of archetype the sense I get from those
people and I find it is understandable to me.
But my position on that. It's something like not from a
technical standpoint, but he just seems almost like a bit of
a power fantasy, like the idea that nuclear like, this
unlimited amount of energy and that will somehow solve all of
our problems. Sometimes, I think that, you
know, we get a little bit trapped by modern thinking about
that. Like the solution is we need
like endless amounts of energy. So honestly, I don't really
think that's true. Right?
I actually think it's like, we have a solution to have like,
more than enough shit going on. Like the, you know, all the
problems that people are lonely and like, disconnected.
They don't have meaningful work. It's like physically physical
work to do that. You know, they give them some
meaning. It's like, I don't want, what
are we going to do with all? All this other energy, right?
That's what sort of one critique I have.
And in the second is the shoenberger type of person does
seem to be obsessed with this idea of centralization, right.
Like the nuclear thing. But also I was looking at like
at his homeless because I've always heard that's how I heard
about the guy. Yeah, that whole homeless thing
and like it was. I we haven't even come
horrifying. What?
He was suggesting. I was like, Oh, I thought this
is just like some, you know, you wants to Little bit like
tougher, like cops or something. But in reality, it's like he
wants to create this like Cal psych Central, Isaac State
thing. They can like, develop its so
NGO, like weird. Yeah.
He's not the mother. He's like documentaries named
San Francisco, which I thought was kind of like a little over
the, you know, that's a little weird and I don't want a bit
much. Yeah.
Yeah, right. It's like, it's a basically and
they call them home. Shelters and I look I'm not for
like homeless encampments everywhere.
But, you know, it's like it sounds like he just really wants
to have this cow psych thing like round the homeless up and
put them into Camp. I'm like, yeah.
Damn dude, that's a little bit like that's not super.
I don't love that. I have to be honest.
It seems. What do you think about Ms.
Hogar. The National Guard.
He wants to invoke the National Guard and he's like he
immediately he's like only temporarily only in a
non-military Kant, you know, he's kind of I'm like, yeah, I
don't want I don't want to One who worked for George Soros,
like invoking. The National Guard, like, under
any circumstances honored. I just don't, I just don't trust
that guy. Yeah, and so there's a guy I
want to say his name is Sean Collins, who's running.
He's running as a republican in. Yeah, in California.
And like his hey I'm taking stuff from his so I haven't
really watched any interviews with me.
I'm not endorsing this guy or anything but like I'm just like
the problem with with people as they here and again, not to
speak ill of like Rogan and stuff but like to go here.
Tough on Rogan and people like that's the only guy in the world
with that idea. Yeah, when they when they see
him on there and it's like, literally everybody else.
It's such a hot ticket item because it's such a fucking
problem in California. Everybody's got some solution
for it. Like that's running for
governor. It's like you.
What are you doing running? If you don't have like a
coherent take on homelessness, whether you implement it or not.
You have to have the coherent take to run and you know, Sean
Collins big thing is like these are people that need to be in
mental health facilities. These are people that need drug
treatment facilities. It's one or the other.
Hey, As there's very and even sites.
Because there's a difference between the people who the
have-nots in the will knots, people know guys, that are
homeless that are, you know, just down on her luck in between
jobs, you know, something happened, big catastrophic event
in their life and they're typically not the people that
need to be in, mental institutions and stuff.
So he basically, you know, says, says that and he says nothing
about the National Guard, anything like that.
And I think that's what most people want.
Honestly is like, that's what most people want.
They don't want this, like insane, like homeless,
Rehabilitation like NGO. A project that this guys doing,
you know what I mean? Like with like now.
Yeah, they don't want that. They just are like, look, I
shouldn't have to think about this.
This is not the working persons burden, you know, I mean, this
is something that if you can get them in mental facility because
some people are were, some people can be saved.
Some people just need to be monitored for the rest of their
life. I mean, I'm sorry, that's that's
a, that's a real take. Like, it's just, I'm, there's
some bad things that go on when you let people that are just not
stable, just go out there because for one you don't have a
place for Or for to the place you have for them is right next
to the freeway sign, you know, and that's just, you know, II.
There's other people that have these coherent take.
So I do just urge people to go, go check out, you know, people
like Sean Collins and then and then go back to shellenberger.
If you like that, then you like that?
That's that's your decision. You know?
Yeah. Well, too.
It's like yeah, exactly. Like what you said they where
sometimes someone gets a big platform and they call out the
problem and then people immediately think they have to
like that guy's solution. What do you think?
Okay. I this is I'm just thinking of
this now. I think I am.
I really thought about this the other day just by myself, but
what do you guys think about this?
Because obviously, like the progressive agenda in
California, is everyone blames it and as we why, the big reason
why we're in the best, you know, in terms of a lot of issues with
the homeless staying everything, but what do you think about the
conservatives kind of blaming all that on progressives or
whatever? But then kind of ignoring like,
like the like the concern, the 80s Reagan reaganism cancer.
I have definitely had a big part to do with that shit, right?
And like our oh, yeah, are we just put?
Yeah, you can't turn the mental institutions out in the 80s.
That's literally what happened in California.
So it's just as it's just weird thing where like 20 years,
passes, 40 years passes and then everyone on each and this
happens on both sides, but everyone forgets the role that
their ideology plays over the problem, you know what I mean?
Exactly. Yeah, like everyone's blaming
the lib cards now, but it's also it's like yeah, it's like, you
know, like we need to not like, And how this became the
Inception of this, like, how how it, you know, how well, the
answer and it started, it started there, right?
But why did they all go to California though?
That's on her lives. In my opinion.
Yeah, on a bad time. The lives.
We literally allow people to just do drugs out here.
Like, I mean, you know, I'm saying like, that's that's fake.
That's what it is. You have no joke like a dirtbag
leftist as the da and sort of San Francisco.
I'm not, that is not hyperbole online.
Dirtbag left guy that we got a patreon days to complete.
Dean, look him up, dude. Like I do doesn't have a Chapo
Patron, fucking thing. I'll give you some money.
It's obvious. A like there's there seriously
like this guy's you know, the shoplifting under nine.
It's a flop in a failure. The shoplifting Bandits a
failure. Okay, like if and and everybody
knows it's a failure, but some people are like, yeah, that's
good. It's a failure because then is
we're going to overthrow the system because it's failing so
hard. It's like at know.
Yeah, sorry, and so that's not that What's going to happen?
You don't even want to have because you won't even make the
changes, you know what I mean in your in your actual life.
You know, you're still going to have your job that allows you to
post epic. Fucking Leigh Reddick epic
leftist quotes, all day and stuff like you, you know you
anyways. Yeah.
Yeah, you have you have the people so I do think like yeah,
obviously in the eighties when you turn out the mental
institutions and just mix them into society, you know what I
mean? And just pepper them in kind of
like launder them in the sea. Of course, you're going to have
a lot of violent crimes. A lot of people are not fit for
one reason or another, whether their veteran, whether they're
on drugs. Not all, not all these people
are like, you know, my homeless takes down kind of harsh, I
guess to our listeners sometimes but like I don't necessarily
think it's all their fault, some people it is.
I mean is it just is some people it is.
And I know some people unfortunately that are that
we're just their own decisions, got them there.
But you know some of these people serve the country did
other things like that and and for one reason or another stuff
went wrong and it doesn't necessarily mean like go back
and live your life in In society, so you do have to have
a place for these people that does cost money.
That does cost taxpayers. My, I mean, it is what it is and
I hate that is an issue that you have trouble with with the
conservatives out here, talking to is like, okay.
Where are you going to put them? Sometimes the answer isn't
something I even want to say right now, but like that's not a
feasible answer, right? Like the one, the one that weird
people are like, well, I know what to do with it, you know,
that's not a feasible answer. Like, that's, you have to have a
place to put these people. The ones that are that the ones
that, you know, just aren't fit for society.
It's a is a pretty overwhelming percentage.
Just optically from what I see and you you can't have both,
right? You can't have the, you know,
Society where we get rid of all these, you know, over funded
institutions. Well, turns out, that one was
important and we write we learned over the last 40 years,
that it was very very important, you know, to at least, at least
two to just make people feel a little bit safer, right?
I think the thing to that kid that Votives, particularly the
Reagan's sort of conservative really like the free-market.
Conservatives, they Dodge blame on is that I think it's really
the, the marketization and the kind of the financialization
that Society is hugely responsible for sort of the
conditions that create homelessness.
I was talking to a few weeks ago.
Now, this guy was like, he's like an urban myth that some
professors studies like cities. We were talking about it and
like You know, he's Armenian and he was talking to how there are
no homeless Armenian because Armenians have a really strong
cult-like communities in La for example, like they really stick
together. And so, if somebody's down on
their luck or they're having, you know, emotional problems or
mental problems, like another Armenian family will take them
in, right? They've got cousins and people
there so that they're not, they don't often, they don't end up
homeless, the way that a lot of people do.
But a lot of the reason to why there's so much homelessness
today is because there's just no, like it's kind of a cultural
failure in some sense more than it is like an economic problem
of, I don't know. Could we talk?
Yeah. Yeah.
So I just think there's an element to where it's like, you
know, Reagan and people like that.
Who really pushed this sort of intense marketization.
They think there's no doubt that the Liberals like Miss managed
it, but I think that that really didn't help.
You know, I really that did not. It did not help the situation,
you know. yeah, and also the, you know, the thing is like the
A lot of, I think a lot of conservatives, they see well,
look at like what Jordan is, like, the third time and brought
him up. And it's like, all of these IDW
guys, like, Jordan Pederson talks about like dominance
hierarchies all this time and stuff.
And so that's a huge part of like the conservative thinking
is these innate dominance hierarchies, which I'm not
saying don't exist, but that's not part of the liberal ideology
is dominance hierarchies. Right?
Right, but it is conservative thing.
You kind of had this thing where, like, you I don't know.
Maybe I'm straw Manning. Maybe I'm strong Manning these
guys, but so, like, keep me in check here.
But, you know, a lot of the conservative ideology.
They, they see homeless as like, like almost like less than human
a lot of times, right? And like the problem is like
you, if you think that you're not going to be the guy to solve
that problem, but then the liberal side sees everything
that's fine and dandy and it's just, maybe it's just people.
Down on their luck or can't pay their rent or whatever.
And so they're like too soft on it.
And they don't see it as like, you know, like, you know, you
just can't have hard drugs as a society be rampant and not.
And it's like, yeah, you can select the fucking Chapo left.
This as your fucking DEA and be like, oh actually, it's fucking
sick that he smokes meth. Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah. And sick, dude.
What you can't handle math or what?
Like, I mean, I'm think a lot of people like our society.
Like, just like, What's happening?
Like, you know, the the lower and middle middle class, you
know, the financial opportunities for everyone keeps
shrinking under that. This, this hierarchy thing keeps
exploding and we can't, you know, it's like part of our part
of humanity. Craves That We crave being
better than other people, and whatever domain or whatever,
kind of weird made up system and rules that we have in this game
that we all play. So I think think it's fucked up.
I like You know, subconsciously, I think we almost like, I think,
I think a part of society. I'm not saying, like, all
individual people or whatever, but we almost like the homeless
thing because at least we're better than someone.
You know what I mean? Oh, yeah.
Yeah. And it's kind of fucked up and
it's ready. So I'm not that guy.
Exactly. Yeah, and it's yeah, but there
should be like two of those guys in town, though, you know,
exactly. Yeah.
Okay. When I was growing up, like, I
grew up in the same place. So this is a good litmus to.
I have lived in Same place like at least a six-mile radius of
it. So it's not like, it's like, you
know, it's not like, it's from another city and you.
So I heard from this no, like there were like I'm not saying
I'm against a to that's that's it was there was much more than
that but growing up, but like you kind of knew and they get
was like a novelty or like there's the hey, there's the guy
he'll jump out of the Bush watch out like, you know, like that.
It was the guy but now it's like okay like dirt.
And again, what maybe we can't we can't see Doyle the homeless
thing, right? They can't be like, well, that's
because of this, that's why there's homelessness know.
There's a lot of factors on why somebody looks like the fucking
Mulholland Drive creature, that pops out behind the dumpster and
scares you like, you know, there's a there's a long list.
Of reasons why human beings turned into that.
And you know that it's a it's a failure as a society, you know,
Democrat and Republican. But like I said, I would support
just. It's like, it sounds like in
humidity like, putting them away, but it's like it's there.
The needs to be professionals that can deal with this.
Like, it's what I will say to the conservatives is like, okay,
you can't just like have a hands-off approach to it.
You know what I mean and expected to be chased like
you're going to have to invest in the problems.
Already here. So you do have to somewhat spend
your way out of it in a sense. You know what I mean?
It doesn't, it isn't fucking, you know, give AOC a bunch of
money. It isn't like shit like that.
I just mean, like, you're going to have to have people who can
at least, you know, they're down to fund the police.
All I'm saying is fun, fun that shit to, you know, I'm saying?
Like, that's right. That's the way I live there.
If they want to say, we need to have a higher police budget.
I don't necessarily even like hate that.
And, you know, I used to, I used to be a take that used to irk me
a lot, but I'm like, okay, I understand what you mean now,
but like you're going to have to do that.
The same thing for these people that aren't The committing a
crime in the moment, but, you know, for a fact like this is
just not the way a well-oiled machine doesn't run this way.
Let's get to the cause of it, you know, yeah.
Yep. Yeah, I have actually, your,
I'll tell a little person, this might be a little bit of a
personal story. I was, do, you guys want because
you're from Chicago, right now, right, correct?
Yeah, and I have so I have I was semi-homeless for a little bit
of time. In my earlier. 20s.
I don't know if it's Glenn. Did you ever?
You want to hear this crazy story?
It's pretty funny. I don't think I have.
It's a, is this too personal for the pot?
I don't know. I don't want to fucking do it.
Yeah, I wasn't me. It's pretty funny.
Definitely. It definitely wasn't like, like
a whole destitute situation, you know, like I was broke for sure
like a but it wasn't like, I was basically, I would be in
Berkeley and I would be homeless for like three, four days out of
the week and then I'd take the Bus and Train home and go back
and stay at my mom's place in like right, you know, over the
over the mountain, basically. And I because I was taking
Fucking classes in Berkeley to. So I can go back to school.
Right? And I was like, whatever, this
will be fun. It's Berkeley, you know, like
what? Nothing bad will happen, right?
And and like nothing really did, you know, it's like it's pretty,
it's one of the chiller places to be homeless and I was, you
know, obviously I wasn't on drugs or anything like that.
I was literally just like taking classes and I was broke.
And I had nowhere to stay, you know, kind of thing.
I'm gonna let me Snopes that real fast.
Yes, you were on drugs, kind of? Yes.
All right. Well it nasty.
I remember it. Well, I just got to tell this
story but and then the Chicago comes comes into it, do in a
little bit, but like everything was fine.
I just had a sleeping bag. I found a spot it was like
pretty chill and I had a gym membership at the University,
you know, so I'd wake up literally like 6 a.m.
Before anyone came and just like go work out and take a shower
and like I had a credit card with like a thousand dollar
limit. So I just buy like Indian food
once a day at the buffet and like Just Like Larry.
And up like a credit card over like a semester, you know, and
just like 12 bucks a pop and the thing.
And as I Gorge myself and then one time, I have my sleeping bag
and I woke up and it was fucking like it was like 5:30 like right
before the gym opened and it had rained.
It was like a freak rain and I was so freezing and then I go
into that. Like I waited for the Jimbo up
and I go into the gym and I look in the mirror and I just started
laughing because like I was so cold.
My like my left I wouldn't even open.
You know, it took like 15. 3:42 into bucket and then like it was
like everything was all good, you know, but I was like, holy
shit. This is the real bit.
Like it's not just like, you know, like it s the weather gets
bad, it can be fucked, you know, and then I took the train
because I went back to school and I took the train back East
through Chicago. Like I did the whole like three
day Journey kind of thing and and then I got off the train
because of the Chicago is the One-Stop you had to switch
trains, you know, it was like the main Amtrak stop.
So I got off and I was just a mess around Chicago for for like
half a day in the middle of winter and and they're like, it
was like fucking freezing and the homeless.
People look so sad and destitute and here, I am coming from like
Berkeley. Yeah.
I just was like, homeless, couple days.
Like it was cool man, you know, and then I got like, people
begging me for quarters, like fucking freezing their ass off
and I was like, oh man, it's like a totally different vibe,
depending where you are, you know, being homeless, right?
It's like yeah, it works Berkeley homelessness.
Totally. So, it's easier.
Yeah, it's fucking yeah, it's like Bohemian.
Damn. Yeah, like that's just like,
that's like like like one of those 90s like grunge movies or
yeah. Yeah.
That's I mean that's there and
like oh, okay further prove my point Vindicated from the last
time like it was like, okay. I never I never even knew that
about you. Yeah, you know I'm saying so
like there's there's a thing, there's a diff.
There's degrees of homelessness, personal talk everybody
pretends. That like, they're having an
argument about will know this is, this is the homeless person.
I talked to, and we're all talking about the same one.
Yes, his blood. So we're all talking about the
same ones. Yeah.
I mean, what are we doing with those ones?
That's the issue, you know, I mean, like it's not the fucking
research chemical guy taking classes at Berkeley.
Yeah, it's not that guy, but it, you know, it's, are you Hamilton
Morris? Yes.
I came out of my trip and then I wasn't homeless.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay.
No, this is legit fun. Safe for that one night, where
like, my, I wouldn't open doesn't even the rain was so
fucking things in me like that. It was a, yeah, it was no
biggie. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, then I literally went to Chicago and I like, I was sober.
Dude. I was like, holy fuck man.
This is like people die out here on these streets.
These, it's crazy. Yeah, get it gets cold.
I mean, that's the thing about California, right?
It's like, you got your, you know, Chapo daaa.
You have been saying like whether right?
Yes, the whole combo home game for you.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, it's wild.
And yeah, so well, I had one last thing I had to talk to my
fitness feelings but I think is actually the reason I like
instantly reached out to him was I found this this tweet but it
struck a nerve with me in a very good way, you know, you, I was
like the way you pop out you, you tweet like Kanye we're we're
like you're just like he's back. He's back.
Oh shit. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, like, it's so cool.
You know, I mean, you've it's definitely a different style for
sure, but just the rate and the tempo of it is like that.
But you had, you had basically said, I'll just read the Tweet
says, without God. It's impossible to reach a truly
skeptical position. You will always find yourself
attached to some unverifiable story about the material world.
The decline of religion was also the end of skepticism.
This is interesting. This is really interesting to me
and I just broke before it before I hand it over to you.
I just like, I've kind of come to that conclusion.
I am not that summed up a conclusion.
I didn't know, I actually came to but I did, you know, and you
know, it sounds kind of almost tired now to say it.
But like, you know, to just use even covid as a catch-all thing,
but like it kind of is to me. It kind of made me more in
touch. I was raised Catholic and kind
of had a soured view on it. But after a while like, you know
on Christmas, I actually like had covid and I couldn't see my
family on Christmas because we all had it, you know, and
they're just like we're just going to do it next week, you
know, and but I was just real lonely cause I'm real real tight
with my family. And so, you know, in the most
like, 2022 way possible. I like turned on a YouTube.
I youtubed Catholic Church mass. And I just, I found like this
really like awesome. One.
The priest was really good. And I was just like holy shit.
Like I needed that you know, and my wife had always been telling
me, I needed something like that, you know, and she's very
religious and but I felt that. But then I, you know, I always
had this subconscious where I was like, well man, if I do get
back into like God, I'm just going to become this like
fucking uniform, like straight arrow guy.
That doesn't question anything around them and stuff and it's
like, no, it's quite the opposite.
It heightened my skepticism. Like you just said, it's just
like because you know for one you're not trying.
To solve everything in the world.
That's the other thing. Like when you're when you are
believing in something Beyond, you're 82 years of life
expectancy expected on here. You do tend to be like, well,
okay, like, you know, look at look at people who are
constantly trying to optimize the way they look or how they're
referred to, you know, as a big, big thing.
Now, not trying to get down, they all now, but I don't know
if and then they definitely don't want to hear this, but I
don't know if those people I don't know if those people go
down that path knowing that there's a greater picture.
You know what I mean, knowing there's a bigger picture.
You don't want it. You're not that you're not on
this hourglass thing, where it's like, well, I'm going to die.
I could die whenever. So I need this to happen, you
know, and and you know, but I need to I need if I'm given 82
years on this Earth. I need to optimize every single
moment. And for me, it made me much more
of a skeptic, but it also made me at peace with my flaws, you
know, and stuff like that. Yeah, like I'm kind of, I'm kind
of me, you know what I mean? This.
Is me? Yeah, and yeah, I'm not saying
any one religion. I'm not one of those people.
I'm not saying we need a Christian Society, any of that
stuff, but I think you need to believe in something other than
what the fuck is running this country right now.
Like these people who are just on like a Death Race, like a
death spiral or and and they're constantly trying to buy time to
where they can create like a transhumanist society and
something and then you know that kind of just like bypasses God
and yeah, Bill Gates isn't Catholic.
He's not fucking muslim. You know what I mean?
He's not, he's not fucking these.
And in shit, exactly. So yeah.
Anyway, that right, that one struck a nerve with me.
I was like man, I all sudden like my got like anime Homer
Simpson anime eyes. Like we're like my eyes, just
like my pupils got really big. I just fucking lost myself, like
5 Seconds, thinking about that. Damn.
Well, I'm glad I'm glad to hear it.
I'm not I yeah, I kind of I mean I had sort of any similar
experience during covid, I guess, rediscovering religion, I
guess and I am speaking. There's a guy.
His name is Paul tillich. I ain't you dead now, but he was
a theologian or something in the 20th century, but I was thinking
like him, people think about faith, right?
They live a couple things one. I think people think about faith
is it's just like, oh, it's just like a belief in something but I
think it is that but I think it's more of an ass and he
describes Faith as an ultimate concern and sort of like a
orientation of your, you didn't say being Right towards, you
know, something. And you know, it could be God's
right, but it'll offer a lot of people these days.
Like you're saying it's not, you know, it's the nation or science
or you know, what I've learned is harassing Ukraine, or it
could just be even like people, you know, that are obsessed with
like, you know, competing and getting status in the light, you
know, economy of whatever, trying to move up the chain, but
the ladder, you know, and so forth.
I think it's if you think about that, but you've got like two
things. So you have you have the faith
of the person, you have the orientation or the concern to
the person, and then on the other hand, you have what that
states is being placed in. And if you're, if you put your
faith in God, what you have is a relation between a finite being,
like, you know, a few men, whose then experiencing something
infinite, right? Like Mystics would call that
like, or we can refer to that almost, as like, God
experiencing. Right?
And you can almost like lose yourself in that a little bit.
You can become a part, feel like you're kind of a kind of like, a
part of something, greater it. You kind of overcome the
subject-object, distinction, a little bit.
But like, for people who don't Orient themselves towards God,
right? Like you're putting your faith
in something that's basically finite, like it may be bigger
than you. You know what I mean, like,
science is bigger than me, but he's ultimately it's not
infinite, right? Like it.
Going to run out, like, at some point, you're going to exhaust
that resource. No matter how good it feels at
first. And when you do exhaust it,
you're going to be disappointed in alienated, right?
Which is always, it's why you have to keep having these
current things because, you know, it only goes so far.
You got to move on to something else and I feel like people
today, they You know, it's like each time you get disappointed,
you know, you either become really cynical right?
Or you become just almost like more obsessively attached to
each new thing. That's not good.
Like neither of those things really is good for me.
What I discovered is that, you know, I've been able to I'm kind
of I'm kind of cynical person. I would say I'm definitely a
skeptical person, but I'm only really able to maintain that
because I I do believe that there is something higher.
There's something more than this life.
And so it's I'm not it helps just to kind of not be so
attached to all these things, you know, all these things that
kind of come up it it's really very it's very comforting.
You know, it's very comforting in a way that I think a lot of
other stuff, you know, it really is no and you go through I think
what you brought up about like constantly the current thing
being the new deity that you or I think what what so important
about that is that It. They are finite and that you do
watch them die and you know, you can see certain people who maybe
maybe check out after a while, right?
And that's that's the word. I mean, that's that's like kind
of the end game at least in your mind is kind of just checking
out and saying like nothing matters anymore.
But when you have something, you know, infinite in your life, you
can never actually fully check out right now.
You can now you can know that maybe your life is in someone
else's hands or at least your destiny is in someone else's
hands, but that doesn't necessarily.
Really mean you don't care, you know, but for some of these
people, when you've watched, okay, oh man burn it.
I thought we were going to get socialism.
Oh man, that's gone. Now like, you know, that kind of
follows that path where like all of a sudden you just become.
This guy who doesn't care about anything that happens anymore.
And is it even happening? I don't know who cares where
Bernie losses and you become obsessed with Coco because you
have nothing else in your legs. And yeah, which way right?
They're both horrible, right? I mean like it's like which is
like a Choose Your Own Adventure type thing and and that and it's
like Like I don't even harp on like so much having it being
God. I mean, that's what it is for
me. But, you know, I, you know, tie
any of our older listeners, we've had some wild things about
extraterrestrials and stuff that we talked about and things like
that. Like, it doesn't have to be that
but like, I am in the same way. That's I said a couple episodes
that you might have somebody who's like a carnivore or like
some hardcore like paleo guy or health experiment guy, you might
even as a person who's on the complete opposite, end of the
spectrum. You might get a little horseshoe
Theory. Yeah.
And be like, II, at least identify with that thought
pattern, I can identify with somebody who might believe
anything. But just has, you know, and on
the conversely, like, I believe more of these anti-religion
types, like Sam, Sam Harris etcetera.
If they didn't exhibit religious thinking and every other aspect.
Yeah, there was more than one. It's a void that is inevitable.
It's a void that know you, you either have something in the
void or you or there's a fucking cavernous hole that you
constantly are like putting these like, Like disposable
things and you know, I mean, yeah.
Yeah and I think too it says that this weird element where
it's sort of like the more you resist that the more it controls
you, you're right. It's always like the people that
are not like, I mean these new atheist.
There have are more religious seeming to me than most
religious people that I know, right?
And the end and yet they're constantly talking about how
religion is bad and how they are transcending it and all this
stuff. Yeah.
And yeah, that's it. Definitely.
Yeah. Like any covid, right?
It's like, but that I think really is such a key point that
they don't get, is that the position of the position of
these people is always a physician of like, essentially,
false, Transcendence. Like they always think that they
found the way out of this, you know, right.
But like, that is this right, like that.
Just is what everyone who's in that thing stinks, that they are
the ones that kind of escaped. It.
I think the closest you get to escaping it by realizing.
This is maybe sounds a little Then I'm sorry, but it is really
what I believe is it like you can't really Escape it.
It just kind of have to kind of embrace that Embrace that more
than like fighting it tooth and nail and then by embracing it
you kind of get a little Freedom.
Yeah. Yeah.
I know you like Ricky Gervais literally still does comedy with
fucking like a thorn crown of thorns on and he's like, I'm
Jesus see doesn't matter. It's like do your fucking like
55 years old, you know, I mean like and and he can't stop.
That, you know what? I mean, like, I cannot stop
doing that. I mean he could if he actually
did that, but like he's always gonna have to fill that like
void of just like, you know, fighting nature essentially, you
know what I mean, like, fighting human nature to which, you know,
and people always think, you know, all there's this cabal of
like Evangelical Christians that run the, that are still, like,
running things. Like, if you talk to like some,
you know, like people in their 40s, like lives in their 40s and
50s, they still think like Evangelical Christians.
I call the shots in America and it's like, nah, crazy.
Stop it. You know what I mean?
Like just you there is nothing that is going on.
I mean, like, you know, you see the way culture is like and and,
and the fact is also to just even some kind of like, you
know, it keeps you disciplined, right?
Like he's being religious about something.
Keeps you disciplined, right? Unless it's the current thing,
right? Because I know people who have
changed their politics three or four times in the last like two
years man like, you know, and not in a good way.
Refining, not just like learning more, but just constantly like
playing Simon Says like, oh, this is okay.
We're doing this. Yeah, cool.
Cool, you know, and, and that is, I think truly.
Now, like an agnostic Society is kind of the easiest way to do
authoritarianism. Oh, yeah, you know, yeah, I'd
like people that, you know, you're always sold in the past.
No, man, like, you know, of course, like if you had like a
religious fanatic Society like yeah, probably, you know, I mean
like you can probably control it that way too, but like I don't
know in 2022 that you. At that anymore just because
we're not homogeneous and stuff like that.
You're never going to get everybody to believe ya Tink,
but you can get a lot of people to just not believe what they
were raised on. Well, no, you yeah.
We're in the 21st. What I like about what's
happening now, is you guys follow Rupert sheldrake at all,
you know, you / sheldrake. He's like the scientist but he's
he's Christian who, you know, he did the whole in a path went
back to, you know, when from atheist and then even India and
then, you know, dude, all that thing.
And what I like movies happening now is is Yeah, he's a great.
I love that guy. British guy British chat, but he
what I like what's happening now, like I see spirituality,
as, you know, having your own experiences of Life, broadly,
put your own mystical experiences.
You're not here, not hearing it from someone else.
You're not. Yeah, you know, you're listening
to your own intuition, you're having your own experiences, you
know, be it in meditation or or whatever, you know, and just for
the record. I'm largely like I would
consider my My favorite little niche is Taoism but I do I do
and you know, yeah. Yeah, it's rad right partly
because it's so it's just so out there but it's also so
practically soothing to yes. Also, it's also not butting
heads with what you currently will, exactly.
Yeah, there's no, I mean, only a little bit, maybe here and there
if you want to get nitpicky, but like not really.
You can do, you can incorporate that if you're not if you're
open, you know, and yeah incorporate that into pretty
much anything that you believe plus those guys.
Masters mastered how to live a human life like longevity.
And you know what herbs to take just all the like the actual
practical things, you know, but what I like what's happening now
is like there's this whole if you look at what science science
is littered trust science, right?
It's the new fucking trust. Just just trust me bro.
Like as a priest like just, you know, you're five years old,
take your pants off in front of me.
Don't tell your parents. Just trust me cat, you know,
Catholic priests kind of vibe, right?
It's like, that's a little one-sided.
This is literally molesting us and focus is a weird.
Take medicine. That are social promotion team
to put that on a thumbnail because science is molesting me
and it won't stop. Yeah.
Okay. No, you know what I'm saying,
though, right? Where it's like, come on.
Like why? What are we trusting here?
You know, and it's like, is it evidence?
Because that's not what does know, maybe the yeah, exactly.
So what I like, what's happening now is there seems to be.
Yeah, like, Most people that I, that I dint are, and I think it
does take some courage to identify as religious, in
today's society. It's absolutely, you know, where
it's like, where most it's almost like the not like it's
countercultural or anything but it's where so it is.
What ya say that where it's like in the states that us three live
in. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah. We're we're if you do so, it's
almost like a sign. It's almost more of a sign.
If you've, if you've circled around, it's almost a more sign
that your Open minded and you're willing to explore other things.
Yeah, and a lot of what's going on today, you know?
Yeah. Yeah.
I think the other thing too, is it really any religion?
Like it would have taoism or Christianity or Islam, it?
Yeah, you can kind of use it like with people up until a
frenzy or try to send them off against somebody else, but it's
pretty established for. I like there's a book there or
there's books and there's like interpretations.
You can't just make it all up but now the biggest Lillian's
events like a new thing like a Plea new thing that perfectly
serve their tailored little interest at any given time.
And you could just couldn't do that in the past.
Like it wasn't just wasn't possible.
And that's it's a lot more effective and just dangerous to
I think honestly, yeah, and I mean, I'll be real dude.
I think there's an issue. There was a big push on
churches, early from covid, for that reason, for sure.
One of the first one of the first things that you saw when,
like, everybody. Even like everybody was really
Scared of just the virus itself was just like these fucking
conservatives won't stop going to their churches.
Like and you know, you see the videos of like in like Poland
and stuff, where they couldn't do go to church and like people
are breaking it up and it's tough.
It's like, amen. People start talking in those
communities. People like-minded people.
They start talking to each other and they could probably come to
the conclusion a lot earlier than, you know, the Saturday
Night Live sketch that sketch that came out where they
admitted. It was all bullshit, you know,
couple months ago. I'm boring.
You know, I you'll Get, you'll get the news a little bit easier
there because, you know, you have to get rid of all
communities and I think some of the strongest communities,
whether you believe in a good or bad way, whatever your view on
religion is. Some of the strongest
communities are the religious communities.
Yeah, they are. And the other thing about
religion is like, you really believe there's a heaven or that
there's some kind of your Buddhist that you're going to,
you know, you can reach Enlightenment, or reincarnation
or you know, whatever your thing is, right?
Or aliens are going to, you know, being you up.
I mean, That guess there's that something more than just mere
existence, you know, like iron Berg.
I think it was the bomb, been criticized, the pope for like
quarantining and like, you know, wearing a mask and like not like
seeing anyone or whatever. It's kind of like, you know, the
religious attitude or like a spiritual attitude is kind of
like, your, I mean, okay, maybe you're going to get sick and
die, but if you really think that you're going to go to
heaven, like you're literally the pope, you know, like maybe
like maybe you shouldn't be. So.
So worried about that, right? And that's kind of like that's a
valid choice. I think that people can make
it's like, okay, maybe I would rather go to my church or my
like, weird UFO meeting or whatever it is and just died and
take my chances and leave you here forever, you know, and I
believe that there's something more important than just
existing in a fucking pod. Yeah, and that's why I have,
I've always in my past, I and I think this is a little genetic
because I think a lot of people in my family do this, too.
It like I've always kind of like clowned on people like for being
like super into certain things. Like even though myself.
I'm like a rabbit sports fan, but like, you know certain
things about how somebody into that shit, you know laughing.
But now I've come to realize that if I find somebody that's
into literally anything like just into it earnestly not doing
a bit, not like liking this ironically and stuff like no
they just get really into it. What?
I don't care. Peyton Warhammer dolls and
Shadow. I don't care.
Like, even if I can't understand the appeal of that product.
I tend to just like, seeing somebody enjoy something
earnestly because I think especially as like, men were
supposed to not care and just kind of like detached from
everything. That's okay.
So what you just brought up is what I tweeted about this, but I
wanted to bring this up the last pot especially with the, the
plant-based thing that with Serena that we're talking about
how there's like an attack on sincerity.
Now all, we're like, I hate it. I fucking hate this where, like
if you're into something that's cringe.
If you're into anything it's cringe, you know, and it's like,
who was it? That said they liked that about
this like you don't, you're not either.
Like you guys aren't like ironic and stuff.
I'm like, oh my god. Oh, yeah.
Mike. I just like, never.
I mean like we might make jokes. Yeah, but like, yeah, it's like,
we're not. Yeah, it's not.
It's like, it's me and you. Yeah.
I think, I think we're always
out on that shit where it's like exciting corny.
You know, it's weird. Yeah, it's weird.
And yeah, you're right. It's just like a war on
sincerity and I think that, you know, just just be like into
what you're into man. Like this.
Just like this, just immerse yourself in it, man.
Because like this, this Is nihilistic like, you know, just
covid turning everyone into like this insane alcoholic inside
their house and and just watching whatever's on TV and
stuff. Like that's, that's not the way
everybody knows even the lives. Now, we're going to use it as
like their fitness journey after this shit, you know, I mean like
they're going to be like, oh I spent two years inside
faithfully and now I'm back on it, you know, like there you're
going to start seeing all that stuff.
Now everyone knows that's not the way to live.
So fill the void with something constructive and it can be a
lot. You know, I'm not even going to
tell you, it's got to be this. Thing either, you know, and
it's, it's just II. Think what?
You know, as you said beautiful in the thread, like get religion
a try, if you haven't already, even if you're a little jaded
from your childhood, do it on your terms, because a lot of
times people don't like, you know, religion and stuff because
they're, they fucking were forced to it.
The same thing with reading I had to, I had to teach myself
how to I've had to teach myself, how to read again.
Yeah, and I and nobody and nobody wants to admit it, but I
know anybody who's got fucking as many hours of screen time.
As I do, has to teach themselves.
How to read though. It's bizarre when he ate
Greeting again. It's like what the fuck?
Yeah. Where you just stare at you
stare at a paragraph and then you're just like, well, under
the next one. Yeah, I just like why, I spent a
lot of time on this paragraph. Let me just move to the next
like and and that's and and like I had to teach myself how to do
that again. So like your you have to realize
like if you were in a state that had a lot of like lockdown
measures, whether you were the base one or not, like you
probably got used to a different style of life, whether it's work
from home or anything like that, but get man get back into
something, you know, learn. Learn to read again, you know,
learn to learn to have some faith in something again because
your, it's desolate out there is unless you believe in like this
insane lived hard Flying. Spaghetti Monster thing, you
know, I mean, like it's desolate.
It is a, it is a horrible. It's worse than anything.
I'm sorry, like it's worse than anything.
It's worse than any religion. I'll tell you right now, like it
is worse than 8, so just do anything to avoid that, but just
know that you are, you can't just do nothing because
eventually, you'll get drawn back into that.
Yeah. Yeah.
Amen. Yeah.
Well, man, I appreciate you coming through, dude, like,
goes, I was really good, really good talk.
Yeah, thanks for having me. I enjoyed it.
All. Is you have anything to promote?
I don't know. I mean, I always liked feel like
I'm always about to have something or whatever.
But no, so, I mean, just like finger.
Okay. Well, yeah, because I mean a, I
mean, the threads are great. So if that's if that's where you
can promote, just follow him on on Twitter, I think.
Have your you're at right here. So at Fitness, feelings with the
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