1 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,760 Running 5 to the six we be in the mix with that rare candy 2 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,760 paint job on a whip. I need food for the kids, money 3 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,880 for the rent. Fuck a lockdown baby. 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,520 I can't do that shit. And I'll never vote because I'm 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,000 fucking broke and either way I know the police ain't gonna 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,080 leave me alone on a plane by the physical and rock me. 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,240 Crypto told me I should be in the Glock with me, so I packed 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,880 up my piece and I'm sliding slide because we might get 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,640 caught up in a riot. Middle finger Trump, middle 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,840 finger biting fucker. Left fucking right as you riding 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,080 where you let us see it. You know politics, baby, we just 12 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,200 talked from the birds to the bricks. 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,760 We be in the mix with the rare candy paint job on a whip we 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,080 with. Okay, we are covering another 15 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,480 complicated man on here. I don't know, I didn't plan for 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,840 it to be like this, but if you cover Roman Polanski and then 17 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,640 the next, you know, usually the next week we do something kind 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,480 of like politics or something like, well, I don't really want 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:07,560 to talk about politics right now. 20 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,600 And we did on the premium feed. So hop over rare 21 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,400 candy.substack.com. The sales over you guys are bad 22 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,120 shoppers, but that doesn't mean you can't get access. 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,920 It's only 5 bucks a month. Anyways, we're covering Lou Reed 24 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,680 today. Lou Reed is somebody who has 25 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,280 like the spectre of him has always haunted me and I've never 26 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,600 given his catalog just a full dive. 27 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:32,480 I'm very wary of like the William Burroughs glamorization 28 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,480 of heroin because I find heroin disgusting and ugly. 29 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,960 Like even even as somebody who enjoyed drugs back in the day, 30 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:41,880 I've never thought the heroin thing was, was was all that 31 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,000 cool. And and it just seemed gross and 32 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,040 New York and rats and and just never, never my thing. 33 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,200 But I wanted to give his catalog a chance because I had was 34 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,600 listening to Coney Island baby and I was like, wow, this is 35 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,640 really good. Like, what else does this guy 36 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:58,840 have? I know there's just a secret 37 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,600 catalog of just a bunch of albums. 38 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,440 Then I saw he was into Tai Chi and I was like, wow, this could 39 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:08,120 be a very fun. Now, when I was just teasing an 40 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,160 idea of maybe covering one of his albums or something, I got 41 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,400 suggested his autobiography on Audible just suggested to me, I 42 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,880 think it came out last year, it's by Anthony de Curtis and we 43 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,960 will be referencing that throughout the episode. 44 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,000 And then I walked into a used bookstore for having lunch with 45 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,160 my parents where when I was waiting for my parents, I 46 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,920 checked Audible and saw that it was suggested to me. 47 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,320 I walked into the used bookstore. 48 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,040 It's front faced at the front next to all the like, you know, 49 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,240 my asexual vegetable child, you know, like it was like next to 50 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,680 those type of books. And it was the Lou Reed by 51 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,600 Anthony de Curtis. I'm like, it's telling me 52 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,920 something like this is this means we have to cover it. 53 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,640 Then I needed a guest. I needed a guest. 54 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:49,080 I wasn't sure if Sai was going to be down to us. 55 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,320 I've never heard Sai talk about Lou Reed, not once. 56 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:55,680 And nor him me probably. I just had a feeling. 57 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,200 Our guest today goes by Twitter user organized meet. 58 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,720 He's been on the show before. He's covered a wide range of 59 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,200 things. We're going to also be he's kind 60 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,680 of my my unofficial Thomas pension guy. 61 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:12,480 There's a few, but he's there. And you're a huge fan of Velvet 62 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,760 Underground and Lou Reed, right? Yeah, yeah, both of them. 63 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,640 I've been into them since, like, you know, high school. 64 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,280 Found Velvet Underground first, but then, yeah, delved into the 65 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,720 Lou Reed catalog. Not not quite as deep as I did 66 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,120 for this show. I kind of stopped around the 67 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,240 70s. Just heard a few albums you know 68 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,280 maybe one later 1 but didn't really get into his catalog past 69 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,720 like Trans Transformer and a couple other albums. 70 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,920 Yeah, and I'm just picturing you. 71 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,680 I mean, is this around the time you had the Kurt Vonnegut 72 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,080 tattoo? Yes, Yes, I see you here. 73 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,600 Well, I love it. Yeah. 74 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,440 I mean, I was still in. I got that, like, right out of 75 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:53,600 high school. So it would have been like, 76 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,880 yeah. I like Kurt Vonnegut. 77 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,560 I like Kurt Vonnegut. Yeah, I like Kurt Vonnegut. 78 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,720 It's just it's just like there was a certain. 79 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,440 And it's kind of repellent sometimes because you know, they 80 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,200 have Velvet Underground has this like fan base of like South Park 81 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,680 goth kid kind of thing happening a little bit. 82 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,680 Like they're not Goths, but they just conformist. 83 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,040 Like it's actually a commentary on this like postmodern. 84 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,200 You can never guess what I like kind of thing. 85 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,720 Don't laugh at anything except the most random thing in the 86 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,120 world that they laugh. Like I was always kind of off 87 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,320 putting to me. Plus they were the anti Beatles 88 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,960 kind of in a sense and anti Laurel Canyon. 89 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,880 And I'm big fans of both of those music scenes. 90 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,320 I, I, I think that's some of the best work the CIA has ever done. 91 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,240 Play the hits guy guys go back to that. 92 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,720 We need that again. But I was just thinking like, I, 93 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,360 I get really mad and I still was on this, on this deep dive that 94 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,560 I somewhat conducted. You know, it's, it's very 95 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,240 intimidating the amount of New York people talking about these 96 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,120 two things that we're talking about. 97 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,400 But sigh, you, I've never, we've never talked about this guy 98 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,480 before you and you ever am I? I don't think there's any 99 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,400 recorded conversation of or not even or unrecorded conversation 100 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,720 of us ever talking about this. But you and I were kind of the 101 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,160 same. You were like, Oh yeah, solo 102 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,560 stuff's pretty cool. VU is kind of like, that's a 103 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,520 different thing where. You at now I think I got in 104 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,920 yeah, IA little deeper dive mostly through the 70s stuff. 105 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,640 I still need to check out the later stuff is yeah, I started 106 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,120 with, you know, I like when I was a teen with Transformer and 107 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:30,640 so, you know, loved it and all that. 108 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,320 And I was definitely like, this is, you know, a little bit 109 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:38,920 oddball, a little different, you know, and and then tried Velvet 110 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,680 Underground, tried the first album. 111 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,520 Didn't hate it, but wasn't. I was just like, what is this? 112 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:50,640 You know, and I, I just kind of got the vibe and forgive me that 113 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,960 this is like, oh, this is for like the shirts to wear the 114 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,360 shirt, you know, with the banana and stuff like the. 115 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,600 That's how I viewed this, and back in the day was the same 116 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,120 way, yeah. Yeah, and then I got in like the 117 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,000 third VU album is is fantastic. I do love it. 118 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,680 I don't hate the 1st 2:00, but by any means, but I I definitely 119 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,080 they the third one should be the one that that gets pumped. 120 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,240 And then I remember hearing Kanye West talk, you know, he, 121 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,160 like, picked every guy and he's like, Lou Reed's a genius, you 122 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:18,560 know? And. 123 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,320 And so I was like, that got me a little bit back into him, too. 124 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:22,760 I was like, all right, let me check this out. 125 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,080 You know, it's interesting. But yeah, we never talked about 126 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:26,160 him, I don't think. And no. 127 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:28,320 And then? Adam Lehrer would always bring 128 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,040 him up on here. And I'm like, God, I gotta check 129 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,360 him out, you know, Like, yeah, he's like, hey, check him out. 130 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,480 He's like, yeah, his music is, it's, I love it. 131 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,080 It's it's so especially when you listen to it all like binge it 132 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,040 like we've been doing. It's very warm, you know, 133 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,400 probably because of the heroin, you know, it's just a very warm 134 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,880 fuzzy feeling, you know, And yeah, I love it. 135 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,000 I've I've definitely gained new respect for the man for sure. 136 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,120 And he's cool. Ironically. 137 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,960 He never like tried that hard. He was just kind of like, 138 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:57,800 whatever, you know, I don't know. 139 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,280 He throws off that vibe a little bit. 140 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,360 He's a, he's an enigma for sure, because he, he's one of those 141 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,040 guys like how I was talking about earlier where he's like, 142 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,560 like he's, he's like 3 layers of like insulation to where you'll 143 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,240 just never get to the real him. But then somebody finds the real 144 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:16,920 him and he's like, Oh, I'm something else now. 145 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,200 You know, like he, he's like one of those guys. 146 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,600 And it comes through in this biography, which is really, 147 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,320 really well done by Anthony De Curtis. 148 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,120 They were, I don't know if you could ever really be his friend 149 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,360 and Lou Reed, like you can definitely, he definitely had 150 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,440 people he kept around. But like if you were, if you 151 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,920 were like in the music business, whether as a journalist or 152 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,440 anything, you he kept you at a distance. 153 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,200 Like he kept you at a distance a little bit. 154 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,320 He was always around and like people talk to him all the time, 155 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,360 but you get the idea that he kind of couldn't really love 156 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,880 people in in the industry. His like friends were like Tai 157 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,080 Chi people and like, you know, random stuff like those are the 158 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,720 people like, Oh, this is like my friend or a guy that works at a 159 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,800 restaurant. Like very much the you would 160 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,040 never expect me to be friends with this guy and I sound like 161 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,040 I'm hating on him. I'm not. 162 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,200 This is just the people have like to be honest, a lot of 163 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,720 people do hate him. Like people who are big fans of 164 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,960 his music, like kind of don't like him. 165 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,640 If you go on Reddit, any Reddit post about the Velvet 166 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,920 Underground, it's like anti him a lot of the time, Like, and I'm 167 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,120 kind of like, well, OK, you know, and we'll get into that. 168 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,520 Like cuz I, what I, my, my take of that was like, that was like 169 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,760 kind of this Warhol construction of a band. 170 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,440 Not the first iteration of it, but the, the one that was put 171 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,799 out into the world with the banana cover and stuff. 172 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:36,440 That was like kind of a, not a fake band, not a fake band, but 173 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,600 a novelty, like a little bit of a novelty in my opinion, like. 174 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,320 It's an art project, like it's one of Warhol's art projects. 175 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,200 And Lou Reed, I think, kind of learned from Warhol in a way. 176 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,080 It's like you use people as much as you need them. 177 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,680 So Lou Reed was able to be people's best friend for a short 178 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:57,360 amount of time and then just never talk to them again? 179 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,040 Like you're dead to him for no reason it appears sometimes. 180 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,040 It's crazy, you. Know And then like when he died, 181 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,600 everyone's like, yeah, haven't talked to him in 35 years 182 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,640 because we hate each other. But I really miss him, you know? 183 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:10,960 What I mean, it's like, well, and that's. 184 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,920 Life, I mean, that is life like there is like, you know, Prince 185 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,960 and Michael Jackson had that type of relationship. 186 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,080 Like it's just he was a competitor. 187 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,080 I mean, he loved sports, which is really cool for like a, the 188 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,040 thing about Lou Reed and we'll get, we're going to start from 189 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,760 the beginning here of his life just after this. 190 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,920 But my favorite thing about him is he's like this type of New 191 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,200 York guy that I'm not sure ever existed, but it's like he's a 192 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,720 combination of like 4 New York guys that kind of don't exist 193 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:40,640 anymore where he's like gay, you know, like just going like 194 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,680 wearing leather and just doing like almost like sociopathic, 195 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:46,360 like William Friedkin cruising sex at night. 196 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,280 And then also like, calling into like WFAN, like Willie 197 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,440 Randolph's not a true clean up hitter. 198 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,160 Like, you know. Like like doing that in like 199 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,240 1976 and then like haichi in the park and I'm like that guy just 200 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,920 like doesn't exist anymore. I mean, the combination maybe 201 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,520 never did except for Lou Reed, but I just I I laugh about all 202 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:07,680 of that. And he became more and more 203 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:11,000 himself as he got older. He became just like a regular 204 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,480 like love Israel Jewish guy like in the 90s and just far made 205 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:19,640 kind of on the nose Democrat politics like whereas it's less 206 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,640 of an art project. Then he tried to go back to art 207 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,240 projects right before he died and they're all bad. 208 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:27,120 They're. All. 209 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:32,040 The Edgar Allan Poe album and Metallica collaboration Things 210 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,720 I've Ever Heard. OK, well. 211 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,240 All right. Well, I agree about one of those 212 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,680 you like. To roll into that. 213 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,400 Oh, or the Metallica. I like the Metallica. 214 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:41,920 Clan. I did. 215 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,880 I wanted to. I didn't. 216 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,560 I wanted to too and or I didn't want to actually, but I ended up 217 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,120 I was like, Oh my God. He worked with Metallica and I 218 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,440 listened to it and I thought it was pretty good. 219 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,560 Awful I. Just learned that today. 220 00:10:57,560 --> 00:10:59,440 I didn't know. I just saw in like the when I 221 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,680 was researching. 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On Instagram, we're rare 241 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,760 Candypod, but on Twitter we're at Rare Candypod one. 242 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,480 All right, enough of that. Let's get you back into the 243 00:11:52,480 --> 00:12:00,040 episode. So he's gone. 244 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,800 I mean it, it is this audiobook. We I listen to the audio, but I 245 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,240 do have a hard copy of it just because I like to, I like to 246 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,560 double up sometimes. And I had a the, the the book 247 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:14,480 itself has has cool pictures in the middle of it and stuff like, 248 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,040 I mean, the guy's one of the most like well photographed 249 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,680 people of all time, extremely photogenic, but also had like 250 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:24,320 Nick Rock and all these war weird, creepy Warhol smiling 251 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,240 photographers taking pictures of like people laying in their own 252 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,080 shit at the factory. Like kind of like, yeah, yeah, 253 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,320 it was always, he always had people with like skilled people 254 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:34,920 with cameras around him at all times. 255 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,120 So it's really cool to see like kind of, and I and he put out 256 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,200 his own photography stuff. And even some photographers have 257 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,200 said, like Mick Rock said that he took like the best pictures 258 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,600 of him. Like actual Mick Rock was like 259 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,640 this dude like didn't know shit about like cameras. 260 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,560 And, you know, I was like perfectly in focus, but also 261 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:53,240 like kind of not in focus in an artful way. 262 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,080 Like, this dude was just one of those guys that could pick 263 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,920 something up and just be good at it. 264 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,160 And even if it's not like good in the traditional sense, it's 265 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:03,800 like, yeah. But I could never duplicate what 266 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,800 he did. And that's why he constantly 267 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,000 had, like, virtuosos working around him because he wasn't, he 268 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,680 was a literary guy. He kind of is in a way. 269 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:14,800 I think he's a much more talented person than him, but 270 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,240 he's he's he's kind of the response to Jim Morrison in a 271 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,120 way where like, this is a guy that, like, should have been 272 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,240 writing prose, you know what I mean? 273 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,200 Like a guy that should have been writing fictions, writing 274 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,080 literature, writing poetry and stuff. 275 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,920 But he found like up until 1960 that straight up like doesn't 276 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,960 exist the type of music that was happening. 277 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,320 And, and, but he has this tether to the Doo wop and like 278 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,520 rock'n'roll thing that that saves him every time he's going 279 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,960 too far. He has that like, just that 280 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,840 ability to go into like, oh, I recognize what that could be. 281 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,280 That's like a real song now. Like a tether? 282 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,560 Yeah, It's like a yeah. Yeah, it's like a safeguard 283 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:53,640 against like the avant-garde, to be honest. 284 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,200 Like cuz sometimes when stuff goes too quote UN quote 285 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,080 avant-garde, I just, I, I tune, I tune out a lot of times. 286 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,880 It's just. He's weird. 287 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,400 He's weirdly has like a side of him that's not avant-garde too 288 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:05,760 at all. That's the weird thing. 289 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,840 It's it's very, you know, I think that maybe a lot of that 290 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,480 transferred over from the Velvet Underground stuff, which, you 291 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,680 know, like, and I'm not saying this with any hate it, it could 292 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:18,120 be seen as kind of like a try hard kind of a thing. 293 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,560 You know, it with it with not with loot. 294 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,120 I mean, just that whole project, right. 295 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,840 And again, not hating. That's just like, that's just 296 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,520 what you had to do back then, especially when you're coming 297 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,640 out with when The Beatles are peaking and you got to like 298 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:30,880 differentiate yourself from that. 299 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,320 That's a big part of it, I think. 300 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,120 And someone like him, you know, has to, you know, I don't know. 301 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,880 You can't. I like that he. 302 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,720 Yeah. He just kind of had this very 303 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,000 flat line. The way I'm saying this sounds 304 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,760 like a bad thing, but it's not. You know, like I know. 305 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,320 That's how this whole episode's going to be. 306 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:49,280 Yeah. You know, like. 307 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,880 Very even keel, kind of a artist, you know? 308 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,280 Yeah, very straight and narrow. Like hitting straight down the 309 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,080 fairway a lot of times. Which is. 310 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:58,120 Weird. Yeah, yeah. 311 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:58,960 I don't know. What do you what do? 312 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,400 You think I mean, you know his lyrics? 313 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:06,920 I mean, with the Velvets, it was a little bit more like he did 314 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,800 try to make songs that were like, beautiful, like lyrics 315 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,920 that had like a little more poetry to it. 316 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,520 And I think, you know, later on he kind of found that more like 317 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,880 raw just, I'm just going to like, tell you a story, like 318 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,800 just how an average normal person would tell you a story. 319 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,640 And there wasn't a lot of that like, you know, avant-garde 320 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,760 stuff in the Velvet Underground. Yeah, yeah. 321 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,560 So who the hell is he? Right? 322 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,320 This is a very interesting childhood. 323 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:40,280 Again, the you can't really do a puff piece on Lou Reed because 324 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,240 you're lying if you do it. So I'm going to say a lot of it. 325 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,960 You had to have to, you have to know a few junkies in your life 326 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,720 to understand what's being said sometimes and what's actually 327 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,000 happening versus what they're telling people. 328 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,920 So he had a interesting childhood. 329 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:01,520 He's a Jewish guy from New York, you know, Coney Island, I think, 330 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:02,880 I think it's the Coney Island area. 331 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:08,800 And he working class Jewish family back then, probably even 332 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,680 still to this day. There's like a few professions 333 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,520 they want you to be doctor, lawyer, you know, stuff like 334 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,840 that. And he's clearly not going to be 335 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,640 either of those things. But he is smart enough to be. 336 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,680 He's a very smart guy, very well read. 337 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,520 And he's a talented guy. So his parents are just like, 338 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,360 yeah, but you're like gay. Like you're, you're doing, 339 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,040 you're being gay right now. Like quite literally like he 340 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,400 contracted hepatitis from intravenous drug use before he 341 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,400 turned 18. Like this is like this dude was 342 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,960 like a a straight up junkie from from like his teenage years to 343 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,400 the 80s. And he it got to the point where 344 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,280 his parents and I, they his mom deeply regrets and I get a 345 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,200 feeling his dad did, though I'm not sure his dad ever actually 346 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,320 said that he did they for being gay. 347 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,920 They put him in electric shop therapy and it like zapped his 348 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,600 brain basically. And in his words, he was going 349 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,800 to be writing novels, literature, which not super hard 350 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,160 to believe that that would have been the case. 351 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,000 And and but he's like, my memory is just not that good. 352 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,200 Like I can't write like long form, long form, long form. 353 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,520 He's like, I just I get short spurts of stuff now and again. 354 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,240 Is it all from that? I don't know. 355 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,079 Is it possibly because you're a junkie too? 356 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,480 I don't know, like you, you know, it's tough to like really 357 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,960 find a root cause for a lot of stuff, but all I know is if my 358 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,920 parents Clockwork Orange to me when I was a kid, I'd be pissed 359 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,440 you. Know I would be pissed. 360 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,160 But also like it kind of sounds like his parents were not that 361 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,560 bad other than that and but like it, I don't know. 362 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,160 I don't know how you how you felt about that organizing me 363 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,160 because I was like kind of like they don't seem that bad except 364 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,760 for that you. Know Yeah, yeah. 365 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:51,440 No, I mean, his dad seemed bad, but from what I gathered from 366 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,600 the autobiography or the biography, it was like there was 367 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,800 some other stuff wrong with him just besides being gay. 368 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,880 So it mean Lou Reed pretty much says like, oh, he did this 369 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,320 because I was gay, But I don't know, he could have just been 370 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,680 pinning that on his father. That broke the camel's back. 371 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,320 We'll say it's the straw that broke the camel's. 372 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:13,400 Back, Yeah, OK. And if it was OK, his father 373 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,400 wasn't a good father, but his mother was just kind of blamed 374 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,320 for going along with it. And back then, you know, I don't 375 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,720 know, she was probably a little mentally disturbed. 376 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,880 Also doesn't seem like he came from the most like well 377 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:34,960 functioning family. So, I mean, but it really does 378 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,400 seem like Lou just really can't get past that one point with his 379 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,120 father, like for the rest of his life. 380 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,120 Yeah, and it's again it's like again, it's like pretty 381 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,560 heartbreaking. However, like that again, am IA 382 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,200 proponent of this. No, that was the party line back 383 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,520 then, like was like yeah, electric shock therapy and 384 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:53,520 lobotomies. That's like. 385 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,600 What you did? That was, that was the thing, 386 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,840 like they were, they, they had that thing out to, out to the 387 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,640 ocean where they would say for the women, they would just get 388 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,360 lobotomized and they'd just be staring at the ocean. 389 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:03,440 Basically. That was like the, the, the 390 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,920 phrase for it. And then for if your son, like I 391 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,960 said, it's not, it's definitely because he's gay, like 392 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,800 definitely back then, like a, a traditional Jewish family back 393 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,200 then is not going to want their gay son, you know, like not 394 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,000 going to want their son to be gay in the what, 50s or 395 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,720 something. Like that's not a not a good, 396 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,400 not a good thing to them. But he's gay junkie pulling a 397 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,960 like just just like a spaz. Like they're kind of like this 398 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,120 is very much in these communities where it's like it's 399 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:32,160 kind of embarrassing on all fronts for your parents. 400 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,720 And again, I'm not making an excuse for it. 401 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,560 It's just like you can see why his parents were like, we have 402 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,200 to do something because this is insane. 403 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,440 Like this guy is insane. And and to be fair, I think he 404 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,000 followed the best career path for a guy that's insane. 405 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,160 Like, like, and I don't know how insane he actually is, but his 406 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,840 childhood, he was like probably showing signs of like pure 407 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,200 insanity. What happens without the shock 408 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,040 therapy? What kind of What do we get? 409 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:55,960 Begs the question. Right. 410 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,080 Yeah. Novels I honestly. 411 00:19:58,120 --> 00:19:59,280 Think novels, yeah. Yeah, well. 412 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,320 He goes, he goes to Syracuse, University of Syracuse, good 413 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:03,920 broadcast school, good. He does. 414 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,240 He does college radio. Shout out. 415 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:08,840 It's a fraternity, you know, you guys say. 416 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,560 Brotherhood. College radio. 417 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,960 While he's at Syracuse, he meets some friends there. 418 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:18,480 That is where they're, they're basically trying to create hit 419 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,120 songs and they would like, you know, back in the 50s they'd be 420 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,680 like do the ostrich. That would be like a. 421 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,760 Dance song. Like, and I think that was one 422 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,320 of the songs they came up with and he'd be like, again, 423 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,360 heavy-handed iron, almost like heavy with the irony. 424 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,000 But like, hey, what if it does pop off? 425 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,320 You know, like what if we do just get a quick groove and like 426 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:36,840 everybody dance? Does the ostrich dance? 427 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,520 Then I'm a star. Yeah. 428 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,160 Just and then I'll pretend I hate that I made the ostrich 429 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,720 song and then the anti ostrich song that I will then, you know, 430 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,520 and this guy's constantly his brains going 1,000,000 431 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,560 directions. No electric pulse could take 432 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,360 that out of him. And he, so he meets, he meets a 433 00:20:56,360 --> 00:21:00,720 few friends there, including Sterling Morrison at Syracuse. 434 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,880 And then Sterling Morrison is the, you know, lead guitarist 435 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,800 for Velvet Underground. They later meet John Kale 436 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,320 through that. But there's also another huge 437 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,000 person in his life named Delmore Schwartz at this time. 438 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,400 I mean, you you want to talk about a guy that like every 439 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,160 interview Lou Reed would do, he didn't want to talk about 440 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,720 anything. But if you were able to bring up 441 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,080 Delmore Schwartz, you were able to get a good interview out of 442 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,000 him after that usually because it was just this, just this, 443 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,800 it's like, you know, if you, if you talk to Norm MacDonald, he 444 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:28,920 might not want to talk to you sometimes. 445 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,280 But if you start talking about random like sports stuff with 446 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,400 Norm MacDonald, you would unlock him and then he would start 447 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,120 talking about whatever and he'd be in kind of in earnesty in a 448 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:39,920 sense, like kind of a that was your, your way in with him. 449 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,280 But Dalmore Schwartz, I actually wanted to read. 450 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,600 I know he had a lot of short stuff and I did read a couple of 451 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,960 his or one of his short stories and it's, it's escaping me right 452 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,640 now. Let me see if I it's it's his 453 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,400 most famous short work. If I'm not mistaken and I have 454 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,000 it pulled up right here. It is called in dreams begin 455 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,760 responsibility and this begin responsibilities, I should say 456 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,600 by Dalmar Schwartz, who is his professor in literature at 457 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,920 Syracuse after a while, but Dalmar Schwartz had a career, 458 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,440 not a famous novel. It's kind of similar to read 459 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,440 never got the actual fame that he probably was secretly looking 460 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,960 for, but then made a career of like pretending he didn't want 461 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,840 the fame a lot of times. So Dalmore Schwartz, I'm going 462 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,360 to read the first two paragraphs of his short story and I'm going 463 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:29,560 to try to do it. And Reed's voice and it sounds 464 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,680 like what you would see the seeds planted for, like Lou 465 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:37,400 Reed's storytelling. So I think the year is 19 O 9. 466 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,880 I feel as if I were in a motion picture theater. 467 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,920 The long arm of the light crossing the darkness and 468 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,840 spinning, my eyes fixed on the screen. 469 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,800 This is a silent picture, as if an old biograph, one in which 470 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,560 the actors are dressed in ridiculous old fashioned clothes 471 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,560 and one flash succeeds with another with sudden jumps. 472 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,080 The actors too seem to jump out, jump about and walk too fast. 473 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,400 The shots themselves are full of dots and rays, as if it were 474 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,200 raining when the picture was photographed. 475 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:04,480 The light is bad. It is Sunday afternoon, June 476 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,640 12th, 19/09, and my father is walking down the quiet streets 477 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,960 of Brooklyn on his way to visit my mother. 478 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,280 His clothes are newly pressed and his ties too tight in his 479 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,480 high collar. He jingles the coins in his 480 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,240 pockets, thinking of the witty things he will say. 481 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,960 I feel as if I had by now relaxed entirely in the soft 482 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,960 darkness of the theater. The organist peels out of the 483 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,480 obvious and approximate emotions on which the audience rocks. 484 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,720 Unknowingly. I am anonymous. 485 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,800 I have forgotten myself. It is always so when one goes. 486 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,920 It is always so when one goes to the movies. 487 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,720 It is, as they say, a drug. So this is a guy is 1937 Delmar, 488 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,400 Delmar Schwartz. And it's Reed's biggest literary 489 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,080 influence along with Hubert Selby. 490 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,000 But he had a personal relationship with Delmar 491 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,920 Schwartz and he kind of had a more of a professional 492 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,160 relationship as he interviewed Hubert Selby later. 493 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,120 And you basically take that style of observation. 494 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:01,280 And this story is about a child watching who has a bad 495 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,400 childhood, parents lives. We presume that we end poorly 496 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,480 and stuff and the child is watching them meet and that's 497 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,880 the ultimate horror to the child is watching his parents meet and 498 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,640 fall in love rather than his parents divorce or his parents 499 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:14,840 death. We don't know what happened to 500 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,560 his parents. The story ends with the man with 501 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,880 the usher of the movie theater because they tell him he keeps 502 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,200 trying to stop his parents from meeting, yelling at the screen. 503 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,240 I think he's a white guy, but but he's yelling at the screen 504 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,080 and then all that but. I don't know. 505 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,280 But. Type of movie theater was. 506 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,200 Yeah, it was 1937. Probably not. 507 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,880 Yeah, but. He's yelling at the screen and 508 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,400 that the usher is like you have your whole life ahead of you and 509 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,480 you want to spend it like this. You know, it's basically pull 510 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,960 yourself up by your bootstraps kind of story, like stop 511 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,000 wallowing in your misery. You're like, just because your 512 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,160 parents ended this way doesn't mean you will, you know, and 513 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,840 it's it's a very, very good story. 514 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,680 But you take that first two paragraphs and then put it in 515 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,920 with like his most famous song, like take a walk on the wild 516 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,960 side. And instead of talking about 219 517 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,840 O 9 Brooklyn people, you talking about like trannies, you know, 518 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,520 it's just it's just you, you can use the same style, that 519 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,280 observational style, kind of licking the pencil and writing 520 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,200 the notepad while you're just watching, you know, and and 521 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,080 partaking. He has like 100 S Thompson 522 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,360 quality to him too, where he's like partaking in all of it, but 523 00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:24,840 also observing it. So I found the Delmar Schwartz 524 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,840 thing pretty fascinating and kind of a a way in to that's. 525 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,560 Syracuse, too. That's it. 526 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,480 That's again, we used to have cool schools, dude, like college 527 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,480 just got sick, dude, like you just have like a drunk ass, like 528 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,480 suicidal literature, failed literature professor that would 529 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,200 just like party with you and stuff like animal House and and 530 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,000 and all that. And and then like you could just 531 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,400 bounce ideas off them and and amazing. 532 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,280 No, I mean, it seemed like just the way he was describing his 533 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,760 relationship with them, where they'd go out drinking and go to 534 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,040 parties and stuff like that, it was just like, it's yeah, I 535 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,920 don't know how many people have that relationship with 536 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,040 professors. Nowadays, not anymore, none. 537 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,920 Nowadays with social media and stuff, I doubt that even exists 538 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:05,840 at all. Yeah, I. 539 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,200 Mean. It's so like Bourne, you have to 540 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,960 do like Bourne Identity style meetups like with your students. 541 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,240 Students. Probably so. 542 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,040 Those those videos where they like catch you hanging out with 543 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,840 a 20 year old, you know, that's like. 544 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:21,440 Was. Watching. 545 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,560 Project Veritas. Yeah. 546 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,440 So yeah, yeah, you're University of Syracuse professor Delmore 547 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,480 Shorts. Yeah, they just drop out of a 548 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,640 tree and land on you. Pfizer is yeah. 549 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:42,200 Yeah. So you know, he, like I said, he 550 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,760 meets John Kale through along with Sterling, Sterling Morrison 551 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,320 in this scene. The originally they have another 552 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,320 drummer that I'm forgetting what his name is. 553 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,520 That person ends up becoming Maureen MO Tucker, who had her 554 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,360 own long career and all of this and they just start jamming. 555 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:00,520 They start jamming, playing around in the New York scene, 556 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,200 doing drugs and stuff, and eventually when you're a good 557 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,760 looking, strapping, drug addicted, desperate white rock 558 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,800 guy who loves art, there's a guy named Andy Warhol that'll. 559 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,400 Come find you. And Warhol finds a Warhol and he 560 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:21,520 he said yeah, he dude, he dude. Andy Warhol is like. 561 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,120 Perfect. When he sees Lou Reed like this 562 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:26,800 is the best thing that's ever happened to me as a straight 563 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,400 Catholic man, this. Is the greatest thing I've ever 564 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,520 seen. And I love that that Andy Warhol 565 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,000 was just a straight Catholic. Guy he. 566 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:37,520 Was he did go to church regularly and stuff and it's not 567 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,800 to say he wasn't, but I just, I just laughed that that's how he 568 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,400 like marketed himself. Yeah. 569 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,120 But we go to like, you know, through the making of all the 570 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:52,880 Velvet Underground albums to the insertion of Nico into the band, 571 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,000 which is Warhol's first massive, massive thing. 572 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,480 He tried to make it a multimedia stuff with like the project. 573 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,320 If you ever watch Midnight Cowboy, the movie where Jon 574 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,640 Voight and Dustin Hoffman go to like this New York party and 575 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,480 there's just like projection of like avant-garde stuff on the 576 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,280 wall. During the day, dancers and 577 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,480 everything. Yeah, all that stuff. 578 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,600 You just picture all that happening, but with way more 579 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,440 drugs and sex. Like way more. 580 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,400 It was the anti Laurel Canyon, which I'll put it this way, I 581 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,600 know a lot about Laurel Canyon. I know a lot about it. 582 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,520 I know all The Dirty stuff. Actually, I'd rather be there. 583 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,960 Oh yeah, LA parties over New York parties. 584 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:34,520 I'd rather be at Cielo Dr. Dude that night, that night. 585 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,960 I I'd rather be there like I'll take on a couple chicks and a 586 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,920 fucking Tex Watson dude. Like as. 587 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,560 Opposed to like. You're either there or you're 588 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,160 like passing out, like foaming out the mouth with God knows 589 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,880 what, laying next to you. What you did you, you see like a 590 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,440 guy, a junkie laying in his own shit like a then like a naked 591 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,320 weird wrestler next to you or something ironically, and then 592 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,880 like some weird Knox Harrington guy, like taking pictures of you 593 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,840 and stuff like Nope, I don't. Want it I? 594 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,160 Don't want it? Laurel Canyon. 595 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,680 You can at least look outside and be like, God look at those 596 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,480 mountains dude. Even as Manson's coming in to 597 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,120 murder you, you know it doesn't matter. 598 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:20,480 It. Would be funny to see him like 599 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,800 there, you know, like if you could just transport Lou Reed 600 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,960 into like Laurel Canyon because he would like kind of buy in, 601 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,600 kind of not. He must. 602 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,520 Have gone there at some point, just like to visit for I mean. 603 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,600 You really didn't leave New York that much. 604 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,000 Like, I know he toured, he would, He went to San Francisco 605 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,480 to record with like Metallica, but there was no other part of 606 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,640 like that book talking about him going to like Sanford because I 607 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,880 was thinking in the biography there was going to be some like, 608 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,240 And then he went out West for the first time and I was like, 609 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,960 oh, what happened up there? Nothing like. 610 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,720 I knew he hated like Frank Zappa at first, so he had that. 611 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,440 Me too. Frank Zappa was Laurel Canyon 612 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,080 based right? Like I. 613 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,640 Hate Frank Zappa. I I I I fucking hate Frank. 614 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,800 And not even for like the Moonbeam like memoirs either. 615 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,400 Like that's bad, but if your music was good, I'd be like, oh, 616 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,840 wow, how crazy, you know, like that all that happened, but I'm 617 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,080 just like, wait, you did that and you'd make like my penis 618 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:20,080 hurts like music like and then shred like just like, I, I mean, 619 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,880 it's all I get it. It's like if you know about 620 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,960 music, if you're like super into like time signatures and stuff, 621 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,080 he's just like, oh, Frank Zappa. I can't stand it. 622 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,000 I. Was never, yeah, I was never 623 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,160 bought into the Zappa thing. But at the same time, I'm I'm 624 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,640 never confident to fully discard it because the most insane 625 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,040 musicians of all time were like, this is the like Jimi Hendrix 626 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,600 was like, no dude, this is the guy, right? 627 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,800 It's Bill Hader. I just watched Bill Hader on 628 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,840 Amoeba Records, what's in my bag, and he's like Zappa, man. 629 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,120 Yeah, it's like it's wildly misogynist. 630 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,280 But I love. Like all that's not. 631 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,520 Like. Until 2009 was highly misogynist 632 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,000 and then now we don't have Steve Vai it's like. 633 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,520 Steve Vai, didn't he put Steve Vai on too? 634 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,120 As like, yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's cool. 635 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,160 So yeah, there's something. He's load bearing, you know, 636 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,040 he's like a load bearing figure for sure, you know, but much 637 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,480 like Velvet Underground, but. Much like Lou Reed load bearing. 638 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. During during this time, during 639 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,480 this time too, like like you know, during the Velvet 640 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,760 Underground stuff like it's just constant like girls, guys, 641 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,000 holes, just just just like arbitrary like JG Ballard sex 642 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,600 happening like that. You just figure like isn't 643 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,840 necessarily like erotic in any way. 644 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,880 It's just like an expression and stuff that all. 645 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,280 Like Camille and Polly at at Yale or something. 646 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,200 Yeah, I'm like next to you is drawing, drawing and you and you 647 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,400 look and he's not even drawing you, but he's like watching you 648 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,880 have sex, you know, like it's, it's just something's happening 649 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,840 there. That's that's very off. 650 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,960 And I but you know, I will say I came back to listen to the 651 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,960 Velvet Underground. And of course, what's funny is 652 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,600 when when when Warhol puts Nico in the band, they're all like, 653 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,800 dude, come on, like, and and she's a, you know, supermodel, 654 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,480 kind of like the anti of what they wanted to do. 655 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,640 But of course, Warhol be like, wouldn't it be so ironic if we 656 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,720 had like a woman who sounded deaf and a deaf German woman and 657 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,160 in this band? But she's beautiful. 658 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,520 He knows, like there's this, it's an artwork, you know, So he 659 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,720 had to have, you know, there's the guy beauty he liked, but you 660 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,440 need to have that feminine energy too. 661 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,400 Yeah, it's it's classic straight Catholic guy thing to do when 662 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,600 you do that to a rock band. Yeah, it's just, that's just, 663 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,440 it's what you do. I mean, I have to stop myself 664 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,960 from doing it all the time. And he he just, but Nico is in 665 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,720 the band. I will say like I came back to 666 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,160 it. I'm like, OK, this is pretty 667 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,840 good. Like this is this is pretty 668 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,680 good. There's times they lose me. 669 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,880 I don't like epic feedback songs at all. 670 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,720 Like I don't even like when Jimi Hendrix does it, like when the 671 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,960 guitar next to the like that shit does not do it for me. 672 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,000 I don't like noise. I don't like any of that stuff. 673 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,800 I know a lot, a lot of people that listen to this show love 674 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,280 that stuff. So yeah, obviously they're 675 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,640 probably all big Velvet Underground. 676 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,080 But when they just get in like a groove and it's a nice pocket 677 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:14,360 and make like a rock song or like a super acided out, like in 678 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,040 my opinion, sounding pretty Laurel Canyony at times, I 679 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,080 really, really like it. And it's no shock that Reed's 680 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,440 involved. Like heavy on the on the stuff I 681 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,640 love for the Velvet Underground. So I mean, so I take it you're 682 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,760 not a fan of heroin or Black Angel Death song on that? 683 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,200 Well, no, I mean, I am a fan. Heroin's good because I mean, 684 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,120 look, I don't like glamorizing heroin and stuff, but that's a 685 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,600 good Lou Reed song. I mean, it's good. 686 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,440 I like that. Again, what I don't like is that 687 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,240 really like, let's make this sound bad intentionally, like 688 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,120 just that kind of like everything's crunched together. 689 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,080 Like the second album is. Yeah, the yeah, the second White 690 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,080 Light White Heat is the one where I'm like, what are we 691 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,120 doing here? And, and and there's a couple 692 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,960 good songs on there too, but like where you like the drums 693 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,000 don't punch and you're like, well, this doesn't really rock. 694 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,320 And they're like, well, that's what you want it to do. 695 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,080 Why would we do what you wanted it to do? 696 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,719 I'm like, I don't, I don't know. It's just there's this like the 697 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,880 problem with it. But I like, no, I like all the 698 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,520 Normie Velvet Underground songs. I like all the like. 699 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,080 I would. I'm the most basic bitch Velvet 700 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,600 Underground fan. Like I like femme fatale, I like 701 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,719 heroin, I love Venus and Furs. Awesome. 702 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,920 There's a lot of Roman Polanski. I don't. 703 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,480 As far as I know, Lou Reed wasn't doing Roman Polanski 704 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,280 stuff, but whatever. But he but he Venus and Furs was 705 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,560 a Polanski movie, a very bad one starring his wife, Emmanuel 706 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,880 Signet. It's based off a novel and 707 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,199 stuff. But then also when Berlin was 708 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:50,520 repacked, it were kind of like redeployed in 2006 and Reid was 709 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,000 performing it entirely in front of like massive crowds of 710 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,159 celebrities. There was Andy Warhol multimedia 711 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,520 projection screens of Emmanuel Signay, Roman Polanski's wife 712 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,400 all over it. That was like, that's kind of 713 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,400 interesting how that that type of stuff pops up. 714 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,920 But I love all the I love like the normie Velvet Underground. 715 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,920 So waiting for the man, waiting for the man's great. 716 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,480 I mean, it's just it's it's great. 717 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,280 It's I like that he switches between like gay and straight 718 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,000 all the time in in his songs and changes guys into girls. 719 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,680 Like that's cool. If you do that now, I don't find 720 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,840 it very impressive, but back then that's pretty cool to do. 721 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,760 Yeah, it was. It was different. 722 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,760 Had a different connotation back then, you know, it was a 723 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,400 different scene. Yeah, so, well, what do you, I 724 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,600 mean, like, so when you. OK, take me back to when you 725 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,400 first were in high school and you're just like, this, this 726 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,800 shit blew my mind because I was not there. 727 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,840 That's just not the type of person I was in high school. 728 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,080 I was completely different. So I just mean, like to you, I 729 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,760 feel like I'm, I'm just now able to appreciate it because I know 730 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,000 so much about, you know, Lou Reed now and stuff. 731 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,280 So like, where like, what was it when you turned on? 732 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,000 Was it, what was the song? What was the song that you're 733 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:50,480 like? Whoa. 734 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,920 Oh, it was definitely the Velvet Underground and Nico album. 735 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,280 And like heroin was like the big song. 736 00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,520 So that was like when I got the CDI, put that one on 1st, right? 737 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,240 Like I just skipped to that and I remember I mean, I was into 738 00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:09,000 like a lot of like feedbacky, kind of like I was into Sonic 739 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,440 Youth and like a lot of like sort of noise bands. 740 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,560 So, you know, people are like, Oh yeah, Velvet Underground 741 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,640 should try this out. And again, like it just yeah, 742 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,720 Heroine, like all those songs, Black Angel Death song, European 743 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:28,520 Sun, like that was like that's what turned me on to the Velvet 744 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,040 Underground. And then I got, I think Loaded 745 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,320 was the next one I got, which is my second favorite Velvet 746 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,720 Underground album. That's 731973. 747 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,120 That's the. Earlier. 748 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,080 Or no is. That yeah, no, it's the, it's 749 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,440 the last one. Yeah, yeah. 750 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,080 It's that's, yeah. OK. 751 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,560 Interesting this. One was Sweet Jane. 752 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:47,400 Sweet Jane. Yeah, yeah. 753 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 754 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,080 And then I was into that and like I've always been to into 755 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,040 classic rock. So the whole, you know, like 756 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,800 kind of noise rock and classic rock, it kind of really like it 757 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,640 was right there in the Velvet Underground. 758 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,120 So that's what like really got me into them. 759 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,960 Yeah. And what got me is honestly 760 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,560 getting back into reading the last few years has really 761 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,960 contextualize like what Reed's doing, what what Velvet 762 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,920 Underground's doing, but particularly what Reed's doing. 763 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,040 Like waiting, waiting for the man. 764 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,880 Like it's kind of like a it kind of has this like Beatles, like 765 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,000 rubber sole quality to it, like drive my car kind of like like 766 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,040 kind of silliness to like the groove to it. 767 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,080 But also, you know, it's a guy sitting around feening like 768 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,040 waiting for the guy to get there to sell him some heroin. 769 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,160 He's at $26, which is such a junkie amount of money to have 770 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,240 on you. Like I don't have 30. 771 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,080 I know you. I know we agreed on 30, but I 772 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,440 needed $4.00 for something, you know? 773 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,040 Well, it's like you do 25, but can you throw in just a dollar's 774 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,880 worth more? Because I need more, you know. 775 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,200 And that's the tower of Lou Reed, right where it's like, OK, 776 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,520 I had $30.00, but I had the, I owe the guy $4.00 because I 777 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,160 bought $4.00 of heroin when I was. 778 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,520 Really cleaning. And then which is nothing 779 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,760 usually probably fucked the guy and then and then and then I 780 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,200 would I could give 25, but like let's see if I could get the 781 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,400 extra 1 for 26 and it's. Like, oh, that's. 782 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,800 Yeah, but, but again, if you know anybody, I've never been 783 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,080 like a true junkie before, thank God. 784 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,040 But I, I know plenty of them. And it's, it's, that's the way 785 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,040 they think. And he was talking about like, 786 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,720 you wanted the, like the, the rhythm of the song to be like 787 00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:21,800 your heart pounding just like that, your heart just like 788 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,400 palpitating really, really fast. I love that he stayed with that 789 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,040 song forever. He never really liked to perform 790 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,600 a lot of his old stuff, but he knew he kind of had to whenever 791 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,440 he had like a big venue. So if you watch him at like the 792 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,720 Capitol Theatre in 84, he makes these really cool, like 80s 793 00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,480 funky versions of like Velvet Underground songs. 794 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,720 I love them. I'm like, this is great, That's 795 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,000 great. Yeah, yeah, it's 'cause he has 796 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,200 his his bass player in the 80s. Oh gosh, what is that Prince for 797 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,800 something Saunders, he is great. The the guy's, the guy's 798 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,080 awesome. He's always had great bass 799 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,760 players in his whatever he's been doing, but there it's 800 00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,560 really fun to see him constantly just take that. 801 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,560 David Bowie covered covered it around the transformer era when 802 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,720 he would go on his super avant-garde like Bowie glam rock 803 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,520 tours and stuff. And there I mean, you can you 804 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,320 understand the influence and what I was getting out with, 805 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,360 like the literary and film kind of stuff is I think he is that 806 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,000 medium truly, right? Because music, I think is kind 807 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,240 of in between film and books a little bit like it's it's a 808 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:23,320 secret third thing, but it's also kind of halfway in between 809 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,560 the two. I don't really know how to 810 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,880 explain that, but it just feels that way to me. 811 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,520 And you can you can see this being the intro to like so many 812 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,560 movies. I'm sure it is. 813 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,920 To be honest, I don't know enough but if if it is or not. 814 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,920 But you can see it like you can see it being the first paragraph 815 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,760 of a story, like the song. Like you can you can see it 816 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,160 like, or you can see him writing short fiction as this is 817 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,520 happening, you know, kind of auto fiction in a way, but still 818 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,840 having fun. Like having these characters and 819 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,000 writing with your female voice, you know, even if you don't 820 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,360 dress up in wigs or like a girl and stuff, you definitely know 821 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,280 people that do, but you kind of act like them a little bit and 822 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,200 you you make characters out of them and stuff. 823 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,120 And all these weird people that you see at the factory. 824 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,920 I mean, you might as well make something out of that. 825 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,800 Whatever I appear to be as a hellhole. 826 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,520 Yeah, no, there like that was also kind of one of the things 827 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,360 that I liked about what Lou Reed Velvet Underground is like. 828 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,320 There were lots of like characters in their songs, like, 829 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,000 and it reminded me of like songs that like I was listening to 830 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,760 when I found out about them. There was like, you know, the 831 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,200 Jim Carroll Band, like all my friends that died. 832 00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:28,640 And it's just like a list of like stories of how people died 833 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,320 and that but whole surfer song Pepper that's kind of just this 834 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:37,200 like, you know, these different verses about these characters, 835 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,840 like gives them names where they're from. 836 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,920 Like kind of this like very compact short story about like a 837 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,040 brief scene that said something about their characters. 838 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,040 And so, yeah, it was like kind of novel like in that. 839 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,400 So that was all that also attracted me, 'cause like 840 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,800 anytime you do something like that, like I'm immediately more 841 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,360 drawn in, like lyrically. Yeah, that's cool. 842 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,040 And it's funny. Lou Reed when he performed at 843 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,320 the White House in the 90s, I want to say when, when Clinton 844 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,280 was in, Kurt Vonnegut in attendance, so. 845 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,920 That's. You dude, like, I mean, I know 846 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:12,960 you're probably. Not, probably not a. 847 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,800 Big Bill Clinton guy, but other than that, yeah, yeah, other. 848 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,880 Than. That those two dudes were there. 849 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,160 That's funny. It's funny how that happens. 850 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,040 And but yeah, he so yeah, I was I I I do like it. 851 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,800 Like I do like it. I like a few like sister Ray, I 852 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,520 think is great. I think I think that's a great 853 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,120 song. I think that's that's an epic. 854 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,120 I think that's to me, I think he, I think Reed took all the 855 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,560 bullshit out of that and perfected it on later work. 856 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,440 In my opinion. That's I, I, I think it's more 857 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,840 of a starting phase. And I, I kind of, I kind of get 858 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,480 frustrated that it wasn't really till he died that a lot of 859 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,760 people really explored his like catalog the way they do the 860 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,960 Velvet Underground catalog. But when I listen to it, I'm 861 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,480 like, that's the best part is him. 862 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,120 So wouldn't. Wouldn't you want I, I, I like 863 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,280 John Kale and John Kale had a great career after after after 864 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,880 this. I think he was a lot of post 865 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,960 punk, like he was a producer on a lot of like post punk stuff if 866 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,960 I'm not mistaken. I think but amazing solo albums 867 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,320 too so. Are they good? 868 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,880 I haven't. Listened his and MO Tucker's out 869 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,800 solo albums are very good. You like the MO Tucker stuff? 870 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,360 Yes. I haven't tried. 871 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,720 I know a lot of people do. I, my cousin loves her like I, I 872 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,360 listened and I need to there's a few that I like. 873 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,080 I was like, oh, OK, there's something there like there's a 874 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,880 couple I need to listen to some more. 875 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,040 But I know a lot of people that like the MO Tucker solo solo 876 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,640 work. So but I haven't listened to any 877 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,040 John Cale. I haven't listened to any John 878 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,880 Cale solo stuff. But I would like to give it a 879 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,960 I'd like to give it a go. Naturally you can tell this band 880 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,840 is going to break up. This is not people they're 881 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,560 they're the anti Beatles. But one thing The Beatles did 882 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,360 was they stayed together for 10 years, and people said it was 883 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,040 too soon. But it's hard to be at the top 884 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,840 for 10 years and, like, not want to kill each other. 885 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,480 And they did want to kill each other a few times. 886 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,120 But, you know, the Velvet Underground was five years of 887 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,840 just, like, twisted, like heroin, sex dungeon parties. 888 00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,200 And you know, what's funny about this is people associate Reed 889 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,600 with heroin because, well, he has a song called Heroin and his 890 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,880 Voice nods off sometimes like like he's on heroin. 891 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,000 I from what I get is he shot heroin for sure, but he was 892 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,120 typically into uppers and like methamphetamines and speed was 893 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,240 kind of more of his drug of choice, which makes sense if 894 00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:18,360 you're trying to have be bisexual then like have sex all 895 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,920 the time. That makes a lot more sense than 896 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,680 heroin because that was in my opinion, I was like heroin. 897 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,920 You can't be fucking the way he did if you're on heroin. 898 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,880 Like he I mean, maybe you can some people might be built 899 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,720 different and if anyone could it be him, I guess. 900 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:34,320 But for the most part, like you're if you're, I think his 901 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:39,760 true, true, true addiction was was speed and alcohol, from from 902 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,280 what I gathered from that biography. 903 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,320 But everyone makes it like a big point to like say it was 904 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,000 actually, it was this. It was that I think he did 905 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,560 everything. I think he did literally what 906 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,520 was in front of him. And why not at that point? 907 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,040 Because otherwise you're just in a dungeon sober. 908 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,400 Like a weird Dungeon Factory Andy Warhol thing sober. 909 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,200 Sounds terrible. Sounds awful. 910 00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:03,200 Designated driver for the Warhol Park. 911 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,800 Yeah, exactly. Can you imagine? 912 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,040 Yeah, exactly. And they probably wouldn't trust 913 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,080 you. They probably think you were 914 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,920 like a better thing. But they probably, like, made 915 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,880 the driver do acid. But if he they, they. 916 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,120 After a while, the Warhol. Warhol gets fired from the band, 917 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,240 and he's shocked that they don't. 918 00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:27,440 Want to deal with him anymore? You know, just a very masculine 919 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,240 gasp. He lets out and and he. 920 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,240 You could see the egos with Warhol and we really that's not 921 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:34,280 going to work. Never. 922 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,800 Never, never going to happen again. 923 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,600 This is not a Velvet Underground podcast that you guys, if you 924 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,920 want, there's a lot of Velvet Underground content out there. 925 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,520 Everybody talks about them like anybody who loves the stuff. 926 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,400 So it's out there. I think we need to give Lou his 927 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,840 time. Any last thoughts about Velvet 928 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,360 Underground? No. 929 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,600 No, yeah, I, I like it. It's fine. 930 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,960 Like I do, I can, I can consider myself and say I like it. 931 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,360 I, I'm, I'm glad I got into it now because I kind of had an 932 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,320 aversion to it and I thought, you know, so challenge accepted. 933 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,000 I do like more Velvet Underground than I don't. 934 00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:07,080 But now we start a great music catalog, which is Lou Reed's 935 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:13,000 solo stuff. He really the first major thing 936 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,920 that that that comes out by Lou Reed now. 937 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,520 He was not a commercial success. A lot of people retcon him is 938 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,640 like this guy who was really famous, like Bruce Springsteen 939 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,240 or like Mick Jagger or something. 940 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:27,760 He was famous if you knew about him, but he was not a household 941 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,880 name. It just wasn't and for good 942 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,480 reason. I mean, what he made was not 943 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,680 really mainstream music. A lot of times it was not meant 944 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,920 for a wide audience, but it was meant for a die hard audience. 945 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,160 There's a quote from Brian Eno that I love about the Velvet 946 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,120 Underground, especially the first Velvet Underground album, 947 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,840 which didn't sell a lot at all. But Brian Eno said, yeah, it 948 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,040 might not have sold a lot, but I bet everybody who bought a copy 949 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,960 started a band. Yeah. 950 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,920 It's probably true. Like, that's right, It's 951 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,640 probably true. I mean he, I mean. 952 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,960 Bowie, yeah. Load bearing, Yeah, it's like. 953 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,440 The Bowie, the influence on, it's funny, they this is an 954 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,200 interesting dichotomy between Reed and Bowie because clearly 955 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,400 he was there first. Reed, a Velvet Underground, was 956 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,360 there 1st. And Bowie's never shy about 957 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,800 like, praising somebody. He's never like, oh, I didn't 958 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,760 know that. You think I listened to that? 959 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,800 But I actually came up with that on myself, Yeah. 960 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,560 Like Prince does. Like Prince does. 961 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,360 Yeah, like. Every other artist does like, 962 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,640 it's, it's really annoying. Like sometimes when they do 963 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,840 that, it's like, dude, nobody's going to like, nobody's going to 964 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,840 get mad that you, you know, like, like the band that 965 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,640 everybody likes, you know, like, that happened before you like. 966 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,920 But Bowie comes into the picture here, and he is tapped on by Lou 967 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,040 Reed to produce his album Transformer, which is funny 968 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,840 because Bowie is just starting to see mainstream success 969 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,800 himself. He was fledgling in the late 970 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,360 60s. You know, we've covered him a 971 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,400 lot on here and on other shows, but he he was fledgling. 972 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,480 But they kind of had a similar sound to each other. 973 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,120 And Transformer absolutely sounds like a Bowie album. 974 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,080 Yeah, well, with Reed and and and Reed does things Bowie can't 975 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,400 do, but he also his vocals sound oddly Bowie ish at times like he 976 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,520 kind of like and the weird harmonizing and the Dun Dun Dun 977 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,400 satellite of love that is like a Bowie song to me, like old 978 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:18,440 school head in the Clouds Star Man's David Bowie song at the 979 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,080 time. But Transformers an excellent 980 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,360 album and they they were seen there. 981 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,880 There's always these, they were seen during the the recording of 982 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,360 it and during these times, like walking around, like holding 983 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,400 hands and like kissing each other all the time. 984 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,520 And people were like, they're just performing. 985 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,840 I'm like, no, they're having sex. 986 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,440 I just want you guys to know that that they they're both high 987 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:43,200 on methamphetamines. They're having sex like they 988 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,040 might be doing, like they might be trolled in public a little 989 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,360 bit about it, but they make no mistake, they are having sex 990 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,760 with each other. Yeah, no, I mean, it's known 991 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,600 about Bowie and Mick Jagger, like it's publicly acknowledged. 992 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:59,680 So I mean, I think it's safe to assume like, come on, there was. 993 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,640 There was a documentary kind of like ABBC, kind of just a nice 994 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,240 like hour long documentary remembering Reed where Boy 995 00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:10,000 George is in it a lot and Boy George at the you can imagine 996 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,720 him at the time like liking a lot of this stuff probably. 997 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,600 And he, he's just like, oh, everybody came up with so many 998 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:21,440 rumors about, about Mick Jagger and, and so and so having sex 999 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,040 and stuff. And I'm like, well, you don't 1000 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,760 believe those like your Boy George. 1001 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,960 Yeah. Well, then what's your deal 1002 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:29,440 then? Yeah. 1003 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,400 But yeah, it's it's pretty funny. 1004 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,040 But the the album's great. The live versions of a lot of 1005 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,720 those songs are fantastic. Reads kind of like his live show 1006 00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:47,840 at that time is some late Velvet stuff and Transformer basically 1007 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,440 with an awesome band. There's a show from 1973. 1008 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,360 It's on YouTube and stuff, but vicious live Sweet Jane live 1009 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,400 from that era. It's just it's just incredible. 1010 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,520 I, I inside you, you said you. That was the first one you'd 1011 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,160 ever heard from him, right? Yeah, I definitely. 1012 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,920 And also they, you know, they, they play these on like Bay Area 1013 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,000 radio and stuff too, you know. And yeah, Perfect Day is one of 1014 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,880 my favorite, favorite songs. That's great, man, So good. 1015 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,440 The Tai Chi. The Tai Chi performance with 1016 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,760 Master Ren, dude on Letterman, where, where? 1017 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,480 Where? Master Ren's on stage and he's 1018 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,600 playing Perfect Day when he's like, you know, reads probably 1019 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,840 like 63 years old. Yeah, so. 1020 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,280 Good. That's just such a nice like 1021 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,840 after all the stuff we're about to talk about happening, like 1022 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,360 that's such a great end is to just be doing Tai chi and like 1023 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,880 and jamming your old stuff without hating it. 1024 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,400 You know I love. It what makes sense? 1025 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,160 I mean, you guys know I'm into this stuff and it's like not as 1026 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,560 nearly as much as I should be too, but you know, you fry your 1027 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,800 nervous system for several decades. 1028 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,560 There's like one option left and that's to do Tai chi when 1029 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:53,200 you're. Yeah, it's. 1030 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,720 Yeah, it's like. Yeah, there's like that's you 1031 00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:58,040 have, you're like you're either doing that or you're dying. 1032 00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,200 You know it's. What? 1033 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,840 What do Chinese do? Chinese people fry their nervous 1034 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,880 stir fry their nervousness. All that Costco seed oils, dude. 1035 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:15,640 Yeah. 5 gallon drum. Can you imagine if somebody 1036 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,200 right now is like cool Lou Reed podcast like I love, I love, I 1037 00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:23,640 want Lou Reed is a LGBTQ icon. I'll love to. 1038 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:24,160 Listen. Yeah, you. 1039 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,960 Hear about the stir fry We're. Nervous. 1040 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,600 We need to get mainland China under the avocado oil guy. 1041 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,200 It's like. The diabetes might go down the 1042 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,440 diabetes. Rates might go down. 1043 00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:40,960 But but yeah, I love I I do love transformer. 1044 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,520 It is great. Silly title to Transformer. 1045 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,920 Transvestite at the time, transexual at. 1046 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,760 The time. He always had songs about 1047 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,880 surgery, girls getting surgeries and stuff. 1048 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,720 And I don't get the idea it was breast augmentation. 1049 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,920 Maybe in a way. But But yeah, just there's a lot 1050 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,120 of a lot of that stuff. There's a lot of playing around. 1051 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,720 And what I find funny is like, make no mistake, Lou Reed was 1052 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,800 like Democrat left. I mean, I'm not trying to paint 1053 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,600 him as this, but I have a feeling he would like, he's so 1054 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,640 much of A contrarian that it's kind of hard to see him like 1055 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,000 getting super into it now if he was around like, you know, like. 1056 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,360 Compare back then and now. Like he would hate, well, he 1057 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,120 would hate the opposition to it for sure. 1058 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,160 Like he would hate the opposition. 1059 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,800 He would like, hate like daily. Can you imagine? 1060 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,200 He'd be like right now if he was alive? 1061 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,800 He'd be like trying to debate like Matt Walsh, Like he for 1062 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,720 sure would be like when. He would still be like. 1063 00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:31,440 Find like Contra points. Cool, you know what I mean? 1064 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:32,160 Like 'cause. He. 1065 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,160 He. Tapped into like modern media. 1066 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,760 He he stayed like obsessed with like modern media. 1067 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,360 So I just like thinking about that. 1068 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,600 I just like thinking because I it's clearly something 1069 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,920 different. Back then the taboo nature of it 1070 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,480 made it cool to them because it was a it was crazy people. 1071 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,080 Doing this stuff. Like it wasn't. 1072 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,880 Yeah. Would would they like this to be 1073 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,640 main? You know, some would say yes, 1074 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,320 some would say no. You know, it's just kind of, you 1075 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,040 can't, you can't deny that it loses its edge when you have 1076 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,320 like Kamala Harris talking about it or something, you know, in 1077 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,360 like the 2024 election or, you know, it's just exactly, I don't 1078 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:05,600 know. It's just, it's just different, 1079 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:06,240 you know? Yeah. 1080 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,080 I mean, I think, I think Lou acknowledged that a little bit 1081 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,720 like later on in his career he sort of made a turn from that, 1082 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,960 but I don't. Know how so did that? 1083 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,560 Well, I guess we like, I mean, it's just once he I guess we get 1084 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,400 into his relationship with Rachel, with the trans. 1085 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,800 And after that he was like no more. 1086 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,680 I think he said no more of that junkie faggot shit and. 1087 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,000 It was. Like, I'm going to be a sober 1088 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,400 straight guy. Yeah, there's there's a chapter 1089 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,600 in the in the biography called Faggot Junkie. 1090 00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:38,040 Like. In the in the autobiography, 1091 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,560 like, and it's funny because like, yeah, he's got a lot of 1092 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:46,080 that Burrows, like kind of like self hate kind of situation 1093 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,120 happening. And and he he's he's he used to 1094 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,800 mark. He used to also say that he was 1095 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,240 like gay, but so did David Bowie at the time. 1096 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,320 It was a thing where I would just like shock factor. 1097 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,120 It was like being like Limp Bizkit back then, you know, like 1098 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,040 it was just like, what are the kids doing? 1099 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,800 They're gay, You know, like it was just just I want to piss off 1100 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,480 the 53 year old person watching this, this show, right, Dick 1101 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:10,960 Cavett show right now or something. 1102 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,640 That's like that's was their goal there, but they also were 1103 00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,240 having sex with men. Like that's just that's the way 1104 00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:18,640 it was happening. It was any which way some would 1105 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,920 that is pansexual now is just doing all that stuff. 1106 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:24,240 I don't think he'd want a term applied to it. 1107 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,360 He the whole idea to him was no terms. 1108 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,400 The whole the whole idea was just like, no, this is just what 1109 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,720 I do and and every and I just go off of vibes and do what I want 1110 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:37,480 to do and stuff like that Was the there was a freedom of the 1111 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,760 taboo for him, Like like the taboo gave him freedom. 1112 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,600 I think is kind of how he operated in his early years. 1113 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,320 I don't know, just tough to tough to say because, you know, 1114 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,280 he did mellow out once AIDS happened. 1115 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:51,640 He was like, oh, I'm not gay anymore. 1116 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,960 But he was like, I actually I love, I love women with short 1117 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,920 haircuts instead. Actually, it's my favorite 1118 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,040 thing. Always been my favorite. 1119 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:05,200 And but he he, yeah, Transformer is an awesome album. 1120 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,280 Love pretty much every song on there. 1121 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,080 Satellite of Love is one of my favorite. 1122 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,960 And Vicious, those are probably my 2 two favorite on there. 1123 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,600 But it's Mick Ronson deserves a shout out for that too. 1124 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,600 That was Bowie's kind of right hand man at the time. 1125 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,360 Great guitar player, great musical arranger, great 1126 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,000 composer. But then what's funny about it 1127 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:31,280 was that Reed develops this, he sees it as like an alpha thing. 1128 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,640 And you see this with a lot of people online right now, like 1129 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,880 and stuff where they don't want to be seen loving something or 1130 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,560 drawing inspiration from something because that's a sign 1131 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,920 of weakness a lot of times. And they, he would, a lot of 1132 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,280 people would be praising David Bowie's for his work on 1133 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,080 transformer and Lou Reed would go, well, he didn't. 1134 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,920 I mean, it's, you know, it's did he do everything? 1135 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,040 Like, I, I mean, I did so much of it. 1136 00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,480 And they're like, well, no one's saying you didn't. 1137 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,480 It's just, it's a really well produced album by Bowie and, 1138 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,520 and, and Nick Ronson. And he's like, well, yeah, but 1139 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,080 like, you don't know, like what I was in there doing. 1140 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,320 It's like, yeah, but you sought out David Bowie to produce your 1141 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:05,600 album. You knew he was going to do 1142 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,480 something good for your album. And then after that. 1143 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,640 But at the time, he's developing A reputation as a really 1144 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,960 interesting guy who Andy Warhol made famous. 1145 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,480 Again, this is not my words. This is just how he's probably 1146 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,040 viewed. Andy Warhol made him famous and 1147 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,280 then David Bowie produces for a solo album. 1148 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,280 So can this guy do anything on his own? 1149 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:29,920 And he develops kind of a kind of an inferiority complex about 1150 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,240 that. And luckily he does do some 1151 00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:35,760 stuff not on his own, but without the household name 1152 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,080 producer after that. And I think the Berlin album, 1153 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,640 unfortunately, it's a horrible time for him personally and. 1154 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,000 Commercially. Because it's, it's about your 1155 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,160 relationship spiralling. He's marries his first wife at 1156 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,320 the time. I, I get a kick out of his, his 1157 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,520 first wife acting like she was some like staying home knitting 1158 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,000 all night. Like she was like the biography. 1159 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,040 It's all like, oh, and he would just come home just black out 1160 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,040 drunk. Like you weren't doing anything 1161 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,360 like you're you're with Lou Reed. 1162 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,520 Like, yeah, you're like, like, and and a lot of the album 1163 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,480 divulge, the Berlin album divulges all these personal 1164 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,680 details about her, but apparently she's not like, but 1165 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,240 it's so untrue. I'm like, maybe some of it is, 1166 00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:19,280 but like you guys had a junky relationship. 1167 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,680 Like it's just, it is what it is. 1168 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:27,200 I mean, no, I mean there is definitely like he wasn't the 1169 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,720 only one doing things like it sounds like, you know, I'm. 1170 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,600 Going to stay with this guy for five years. 1171 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,440 Hopefully he changes like. It's just like. 1172 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,720 This. This junky asshole, like, I 1173 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:40,800 mean, he's like an asshole to everyone. 1174 00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,520 He's. Who he's Are they ever single 1175 00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:43,560 though? Have you ever met a single 1176 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:44,960 junkie asshole? No, they always have a 1177 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:45,760 girlfriend. They. 1178 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,720 Always fucking do you. Did you said it on one of your 1179 00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:53,000 last episodes about Lou Reed? Like, yeah, he's like, totally, 1180 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,520 like strung out on drugs the entire time. 1181 00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,120 He's he's total asshole like with. 1182 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,320 Hepatitis with hepatitis. C It's really. 1183 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,960 Transmittable and the women are like I can't wait. 1184 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,360 Yeah, I can't. Wait, can't wait. 1185 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,320 And then, yeah. And then and then and then, you 1186 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,160 know, men too are like, yeah, me too. 1187 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,640 When, when you're done with her. Me too, yeah. 1188 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,080 Like. Like I can't get enough of it. 1189 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,160 And it's, it's just like, you know, that's, it's kind of like 1190 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,360 that meme of like, I think it's like the animated black people 1191 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,200 meme where like, it's like, it's the guy with the, the, the, 1192 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,560 that's that cartoon where it's like the jock walking with the 1193 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,800 girl and the nerds, like, you know what I mean? 1194 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,240 And it's like with Lou Reed. But the, you know, I mean, I 1195 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,400 just picture like Lou Reed being in there and stuff. 1196 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:36,200 It's. Like the? 1197 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,240 Guy, the guy was just never short of options whatsoever. 1198 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,240 I mean, he's and he's a good looking guy, talented guy, 1199 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,400 charismatic. So I get it, you know, I get it, 1200 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,760 but it's just, it's just funny. It's like the guy can like pause 1201 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:51,240 load you at any time and then he hit you and they're like, yeah, 1202 00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:58,160 sounds good. So Berlin, in my opinion, is a 1203 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,160 masterpiece of an album. I think it is I the problem it 1204 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,320 suffers from, you understand why it's not commercially viable. 1205 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:06,640 There's no single you're going to play. 1206 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,200 What are you going to play on the radio? 1207 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,840 I mean, maybe a couple songs, something like independent 1208 00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,320 college radio station, like maybe you could play some stuff. 1209 00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:21,040 But for the most part it's just like, it's just a big concept 1210 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,120 album. It's kind of the downward Spiral 1211 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:28,160 before the downward spiral. I would, I would say like, and I 1212 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,880 think it's immaculately produced. 1213 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,280 I think the piano sections on it really carry the album and keep 1214 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,360 you tethered to like the world. The Tethers very important for 1215 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,640 me when I enjoy Lou Reed music. And what does everybody think of 1216 00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:41,680 this? I I think it's great. 1217 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,960 I, I love, I love this album. I mean, I think if they're going 1218 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,200 to be singles, I think Lady Day. That's a great song. 1219 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,400 Yeah, you're right. And the kids, even the kids, is 1220 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,880 one of the most heartbreaking. Songs. 1221 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,880 He's like, they're taking the kids away is the first line. 1222 00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,360 And it's just like, that's a story in itself. 1223 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,880 And then 3 minutes of kids screaming for their mother, like 1224 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,280 3, just three. And it's the producers kids. 1225 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,120 The producer brought the kids in and like. 1226 00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:10,720 Tried to get. Them really sad so they would 1227 00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:15,400 record and and like and he's like honey like the and it's 1228 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,160 like it's so. Sad. 1229 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,240 It's. Like, I mean, yeah, that's 1230 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,240 those. So I love those two. 1231 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:27,040 And I guess like Caroline says, in the bed are other standouts. 1232 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:31,480 But yeah, just a great album. And you know, I like the way it 1233 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,120 sounds. But you know what? 1234 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:37,000 There was a version he did a 2006. 1235 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:42,760 It was from that 2006 tour live he released a album of that, 1236 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:49,280 like the Complete album and that to me it sounds better on that 1237 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:50,440 recording. I'd like. 1238 00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,880 To hear that, I wouldn't know. I wouldn't. 1239 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,640 Disagree with you because you know, he kind of reimagines like 1240 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,600 the songs a little bit or kind of like has there's something 1241 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,280 different about him. He makes him sound different, 1242 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,720 especially later on in his career when he learned a little 1243 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,560 bit more about, like, actually how to play the guitar right. 1244 01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:08,280 Yeah. Exactly. 1245 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,800 Yeah. So I mean that for recording, I 1246 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,720 would suggest to anyone who like also like wants to get into 1247 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,880 Berlin because yeah, it's just the sound of this album. 1248 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,920 I mean, it doesn't sound like Transformer at all. 1249 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,600 Transformer was straight up Bowie Mark Ronson guitar. 1250 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,800 Like you can totally tell it was like a Bowie style album. 1251 01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,480 And this for anyone who is expecting something like that. 1252 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:35,880 I can imagine why it didn't hit from the. 5 to the six. 1253 01:00:40,160 --> 01:01:01,640 I need food for the kids. Oh yeah. 1254 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,040 I mean, it's one of those things where unfortunately, So what 1255 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,000 happened was, is he's coming off a relatively speaking for what 1256 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,440 he was doing, Transformer was a hit. 1257 01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,400 I don't want to say it's like platinum, platinum, platinum. 1258 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,240 I don't think it was. I just think it sold pretty 1259 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,520 well. And, and the labels like pretty 1260 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:16,480 happy. They're like, hey, we took a 1261 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,520 risk on this, this read kid like this, that's pretty good. 1262 01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,160 What do you got next? And he's like the most 1263 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,000 depressing thing you've ever heard, you know, like, oh, OK. 1264 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,280 And I loved it. I, I don't know, I, I just like 1265 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,640 there's some depressing work that I'm like, doesn't make me 1266 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,000 sad. I think it's actually kind of 1267 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,080 First off, it's only sad if you're a junkie and think it's 1268 01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,320 going to last forever. By the way, like like if you're, 1269 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,800 it's obviously it's sad. I'm just saying like, you, you 1270 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,280 the only the, the true nihilism part of it is like, oh, I can't 1271 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,720 do drugs forever. What's this even worth? 1272 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,840 Like? It's no, you can't do drugs 1273 01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,160 forever. This is what happens. 1274 01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,280 Like if you have a relationship based on drugs, you will lose 1275 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:54,040 the kids and she will slit her wrists in bed or you will, you 1276 01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,120 know, one of the two. And I love, I think one thing 1277 01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,680 artistically that he does and he doesn't get enough credit for. 1278 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,240 And I don't even know if it's intentional or not, but he has 1279 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,280 talked about this at length. How he does this is he sounds 1280 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,000 pretty upbeat at the beginning of the album. 1281 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,000 Like sounds pretty upbeat. The same like, hey, oh, you 1282 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,800 know, like the same Lou Reed kind of like chipper kind of 1283 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,800 thing that he has going on. And then, and then inside too, 1284 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,000 he's way more detached, cold as hell. 1285 01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:21,880 And it just gets slow. It's almost seems like he's like 1286 01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,560 backing away, like Homer Simpson into the Bush a little bit. 1287 01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,640 Like it's just, it's like, oh God, what happened? 1288 01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,920 Like I, I just, I love the the flow of it. 1289 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,840 And it's like it's, and like I said, it's just every 1290 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,240 arrangement is like really interesting and it switches back 1291 01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,680 and forth between like grooves and tempos, like you're never 1292 01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:44,360 quite ready for what's next. And I think at the time, I think 1293 01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,280 somebody like, it would have been nice if somebody like, God, 1294 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,920 why can't I remember Nicholas Rogue made like a movie out of 1295 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:50,800 it. I would have loved that. 1296 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:52,920 Like it would have been, I think that would have been a really 1297 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:57,240 cool like odd Nicholas Rogue gross like drug sex movie. 1298 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,200 And I think that was the opportunity he missed. 1299 01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,440 I think that was maybe the only way to make this quote UN quote 1300 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:03,840 a hit. I doubt it ever becomes a hit, 1301 01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,960 but it might have become more of it might have become like this 1302 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,080 multimedia thing that, like film students would love. 1303 01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,960 At least so. Yeah, I think it's as it's one 1304 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,480 of his most interesting. It's new to me. 1305 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,320 I didn't really know about it, but it's it. 1306 01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:18,800 It was. I instantly clocked it. 1307 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:20,920 I was like, this is a special one. 1308 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,360 And then you read and it's like, oh, everyone hated it and I 1309 01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:25,680 don't know. Yeah, it's, it's it's 1310 01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,720 definitely, it's sad, but it's the most emotionally, like, 1311 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,680 available and textural. You know, there's movement 1312 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,880 throughout it and everything and it's weird. 1313 01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,120 Also there's song Berlin on his first album, which is, you know, 1314 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:40,160 that's it. That's interesting. 1315 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:41,240 Yeah. Oh yeah. 1316 01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,280 I'm going to keep revisiting this one because it's. 1317 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:44,480 Yeah. I think this is a hidden gem. 1318 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,600 And he and he said Berlin, they always asked him that because 1319 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:48,720 they're like, have you been to Berlin? 1320 01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,920 He's like, no. Yeah, and then there's the Bowie 1321 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:51,840 thing too. Yeah. 1322 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,760 Yeah, Bowie, the Berlin, which is later, later in my career 1323 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:58,360 after, after he has his, you know, insane drug moment in LA 1324 01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:04,040 where he said he saw Satan and but then but Reed, what Reed 1325 01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,880 does is he, he says Berlin because he's like Berlin. 1326 01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,000 There was the Berlin Wall. It was to a city divided. 1327 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,880 And that's what the album's supposed to be is like just 1328 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,120 literally two people who have the same affliction, but they 1329 01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,400 just like couldn't be more different from each other, or at 1330 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,320 least the only thing they have in common is the thing that's 1331 01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,720 killing them. You know, and and and you know, 1332 01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,040 I'm sure he made the woman, you know, the communist side, but 1333 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,800 you know, just one way or another, you know, I'm sure he 1334 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,560 sure he just was like, well, hers was the the bad one of. 1335 01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:33,120 Course. Yeah, Gorbachev turned. 1336 01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:38,680 On. The later Lou Reed would later, 1337 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,760 as we go on later Lou Reed would get credit for like partially 1338 01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,480 tearing down communism in Czechoslovakia. 1339 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,640 Which so I know that that's called the Velvet Revolution. 1340 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,200 Yeah, it's insane. Which is apparently that's not 1341 01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,160 related to Vaclav Havel, the leader of the revolution, being 1342 01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:01,200 a huge Velvet Underground fan and Lou Reed interviewing him. 1343 01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,200 Like I, I just, you know, when I heard like, it was the Velvet 1344 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,920 Revolution and like, oh, Vaclav Havel, like Lou Reed, like 1345 01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,040 sounds like Velvet Underground. I. 1346 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,920 Wouldn't be surprised if our government deployed Velvet 1347 01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,120 Underground to stop calm, but no I. 1348 01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,800 Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. They claimed it was like Velvet 1349 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,200 Revolution was 'cause it was a soft revolution, and that's what 1350 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,000 was, that's what it was supposed to be, but had nothing to do 1351 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,440 with the fact that Pavel was a Velvet Underground fan. 1352 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,960 But you know, I have my doubts. I I have my supreme doubts. 1353 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,120 I'm yeah, like if I was a parapolitical leftist, which I'm 1354 01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:41,080 not, but if I was, I would be like, oh, that's why what Lou 1355 01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,760 Reed was a CIA agent for. Ending yes. 1356 01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:46,760 In there, Rolling Stone deploys him over there. 1357 01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,960 Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's as like, and 1358 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,920 again, I don't like communism, so whatever. 1359 01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:51,840 Like it's just. It's. 1360 01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:53,400 Just I'm good with it. I'm. 1361 01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:54,480 Good. Yeah, yeah, definitely. 1362 01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:55,160 Whatever. Yeah. 1363 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,760 I mean, like, because when you read those weird scenes at the 1364 01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,720 Canyon, like I'm going to do an episode on weird scenes of the 1365 01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,120 Canyon and they're like, there's a few things where you're like, 1366 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,400 wow, yeah, that is crazy shit, dude, what the hell? 1367 01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,200 And then they're like, yeah, and then his dad helped stop 1368 01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,600 communism in Cuba and you're just like, well, all right, 1369 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:15,480 okay, yeah, okay, I don't care. But yeah, it's just funny to me. 1370 01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,760 So you get Rock'n'roll animal? You. 1371 01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,600 When we were talking, didn't you say you liked this? 1372 01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,520 Organization I was talking about the take no prisoners, Take no 1373 01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,120 Prisoners but I But I do love Rock'n'roll Animal. 1374 01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,000 It's there's a. Great version of heroin on 1375 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:35,200 there. Yes, notes here. 1376 01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,480 Yeah, there's, there's some great stuff on there. 1377 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,040 Yeah. Let me see. 1378 01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,720 Yeah, yeah. Rock'n'roll Animal is. 1379 01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,920 Oh, yeah, yeah. Great version of Lady Day, which 1380 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,720 is, Yeah, he had just. Yeah, it's on the tour right 1381 01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:03,040 after he recorded Berlin and good white light, white heat and 1382 01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,680 yeah, good. Oh, the really good long intro 1383 01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:07,960 to Sweet Jane. Yeah. 1384 01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,120 Oh, the best, which is really nice that Yeah. 1385 01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,960 That's the only that's the literally the only version I 1386 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:14,640 will listen to of Sweet Jane. Like because. 1387 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,800 I don't really like the album version. 1388 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,920 It's doesn't like it that the tempo that it's at. 1389 01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,160 I don't think it works. And then when you get that like 1390 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,440 crazy, like almost pro like proto, like frog rock, like 1391 01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,720 intro to it on there. I'm like this is insane. 1392 01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,480 And then it just has that like it just it, it just has like a 1393 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,960 little bit more like douche, like low IQ douche rock to it on 1394 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,800 the groove that I love. That like as opposed to. 1395 01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,360 Like the other one, we were like, no, well, that's too easy. 1396 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:42,880 We can't do that. And like, no, it rocks though. 1397 01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,520 Like so do it. That's that's kind of I like 1398 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,400 this version of that so much better. 1399 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,000 Plus the live performance where he has the blonde hair, like the 1400 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,040 classic blonde hair. He looks so cool on there and he 1401 01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,720 looks like a like a he looks like a punk rock like Nosferatu. 1402 01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:59,760 But he he just looks. Insane. 1403 01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:06,000 Yeah, he looks insane, so strung out like and but he's OK. 1404 01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,880 I, Anna Kacchian posts about this a lot, how she'll say 1405 01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,520 she'll see like a homeless chick that's obviously like at her 1406 01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,480 wit's end and like not doing so hot. 1407 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,760 She's like, but damn, she's skinny, you know what I mean? 1408 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:17,920 Like like. Damn I. 1409 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,279 Like I wish, like whatever affliction, she's not like it's 1410 01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:21,520 shit. Like it's on point. 1411 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,439 And I feel that way about Lou Reed where I'm like, fuck, he's 1412 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,880 fucking like jacked though, dude like like he like looks 1413 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,880 incredible. I like, dude, like, is that what 1414 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:30,920 I have to do? Like watch a. 1415 01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,640 Meth and then like dance around on stage like this is. 1416 01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:37,200 Yeah, you have to be like a leathered out homo like drug 1417 01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:38,760 addict. I don't think they're going to 1418 01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:39,920 kill. A bag of kettle chips. 1419 01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,319 So like that, like what? Who really is afflicted? 1420 01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:46,760 You know what I mean like I don't think you drink 6 I no, 1421 01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,479 you probably could, but he I could drink 6 Ipas. 1422 01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,520 I don't even know. But I just mean, he he's like 1423 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,359 one of those guys. You're like, damn it, dude. 1424 01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:56,200 Like all the like, all the junkies I know don't look like 1425 01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:56,680 that. They don't. 1426 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:57,760 Yeah, they. Don't like? 1427 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,439 Shit, absolute shit. Like distended stomach and like 1428 01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,120 just absolute. Shit so. 1429 01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,439 He's he's a working junkie, so it's like, you know, he's got a 1430 01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,359 yeah, it's a little different. Yeah, absolutely. 1431 01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:16,200 Dueling guitars on on on on that album on that live show are 1432 01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,120 great. Shout out to Steve Hunter and 1433 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,800 Dick Wagner on there and Prakash John on bass, because all the 1434 01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:26,240 bass grooves, especially on on I think Sweet Jane, like the bass 1435 01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:27,640 groove on there is just it's so much. 1436 01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:31,640 It just gives it a new life. And yeah, that's that's a great 1437 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,080 live album. And there's not a lot of good 1438 01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,359 recorded live Velvet Underground, like, not that I 1439 01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:41,000 can find, at least if there is send it my way, I guess. 1440 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,520 But there I haven't seen that much. 1441 01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,040 So that's a pretty good way into like what it sounded like back 1442 01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:47,240 then. More or less. 1443 01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,279 Yeah. So yeah, Sally Can't Dance I 1444 01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:51,680 think is his first dud in my opinion. 1445 01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,200 I don't know how you guys feel. It's all right, you know. 1446 01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,520 It's yeah, it's just, it's just they always make those like I'm 1447 01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,280 just going to make my, you know, go down to the sock hop 1448 01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,480 rock'n'roll album. Like they all do this, all these 1449 01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:03,840 guys that were famous around that time. 1450 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,320 It's. Classic like mid 70s you know. 1451 01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:09,120 Yeah, David Bowie had, it's not Diamond Dogs, but he had a 1452 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,000 similar album like that where it was just like, you're like, all 1453 01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:13,160 right. It's like kind of like Jerry Lee 1454 01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,000 Lewis, great balls of Fire, like taking it back to the roots, you 1455 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,720 know, like it does. It's just not that good to me. 1456 01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,960 It's OK Kill Your Sons is a great song though, I'll say that 1457 01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:23,760 much. That's that's what I would 1458 01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,080 listen to. And then, yeah, I guess covers 1459 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,360 of Ride, Sally Ride, you know, it's just they all got to do 1460 01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,120 their tribute album. You just let them get it out of 1461 01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,040 the way. It means more to them than it 1462 01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:36,160 does to you, for the most part. Then we get to his. 1463 01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:38,520 He just, he just can't fucking be normal. 1464 01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:44,280 He does Metal Machine music. This shit is so stupid. 1465 01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,360 I, I it's like I look at people like it. 1466 01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,720 People like it, but I doubt I don't think anyone I can. 1467 01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:54,840 He made it to where you can't listen to it all the way the the 1468 01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,680 side 4 of it is Infinity. It loops back every time when 1469 01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,240 you try to finish it and it's literally just noise. 1470 01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:02,880 It's just like feedback and noise. 1471 01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,600 The whole album. It's it's almost an hour long. 1472 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,800 I think it is an hour long and it just loops over and over 1473 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,880 again. And there were people and, and 1474 01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,720 obviously his label's just like, what? 1475 01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,280 Like, come on, this is what you were working on. 1476 01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:17,600 He's like, yeah, it's the next thing. 1477 01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,320 And he's kind of trolling a little bit. 1478 01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,760 And but then also a bunch of people who would later create 1479 01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,560 like, like Trent Reznor thinks this album's incredible and 1480 01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,080 like, all these people. So like, it actually did get a 1481 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:32,960 fan base. And it's just like it became a 1482 01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,240 joke on Mystery Science Theater. I remember when I was a kid, 1483 01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,400 they would say, they would say like, this movie is so bad, it's 1484 01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,920 like listening to two hours of Metal Machine music. 1485 01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:47,320 My like they would say that I was a big Ms. MST3K guy. 1486 01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:51,400 So was that I it's. Red, it's red hell, but I, I 1487 01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,640 loved it. I didn't know what red it was at 1488 01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,760 the time. My mom had all of the VHS. 1489 01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,840 They had a really colorful VHS like kind of box set thing and 1490 01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,080 we would watch them all the time. 1491 01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:01,920 It was great. Yeah, it came out with Comedy 1492 01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,840 Central. It was so good. 1493 01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:09,200 I remember the theme song like, like, oh gosh, it was the best. 1494 01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,080 So. But yeah, Metal Machine Music, 1495 01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,520 it's like, I you if you listen to this the whole time, then 1496 01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,560 guess who's a big fan? Brian Eno, by the way, Massive. 1497 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:23,320 He yeah, they're just people. Like it's it's like kind of a 1498 01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,760 epic fail. But I don't get the idea that he 1499 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:27,680 thought he was going to do anything that crazy with it. 1500 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,440 I think he was just kind of like, it's kind of to fulfill a 1501 01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:34,840 contract kind of thing. And he just can't, he can't not 1502 01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,160 do this. The the like the the fake album. 1503 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:39,760 It's it's the Velvet Underground. 1504 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,760 It's the Warhol. It's, it's, it's the Warhol 1505 01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,160 thing that always stuck with him, even when he after he was 1506 01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,280 done with Warhol. It's just kind of like, give 1507 01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,600 them the thing that they probably don't even want. 1508 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,320 But leaving, catching them off guard is better than giving them 1509 01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,200 something they want, you know, even if they hate it. 1510 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:58,520 And it's just, yeah, this is I defy anyone to listen to the 1511 01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,800 full album of this. I think you're lying if you've 1512 01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,800 said you have. Yeah, I mean, I, I didn't, I 1513 01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,600 didn't listen to full album. I, you know, I just listened to 1514 01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,440 like a couple minutes of each track just to get like make sure 1515 01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:13,960 it was how it was. And, you know, as, and as a fan 1516 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,240 of like, you know, a lot of Japanese like noise stuff like 1517 01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:24,240 Merce Bo, like, you know, a lot of power noise like this is just 1518 01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:28,360 like it's a little boring. It's best it's, it's kind of 1519 01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:33,280 meditative if you want to put it on low in the background, but 1520 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:38,280 really it's nothing innovative. Well, I guess maybe back then it 1521 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,040 was, but now just listening to it, it's boring. 1522 01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,400 But I would, I, I think this album does. 1523 01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,080 It just really characterizes Lou Reed's personality. 1524 01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,600 Yes, it. Does like it's it was an album 1525 01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:54,680 that he released after which was I think Sally Can't Dance. 1526 01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,680 It actually charted it actually did well. 1527 01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,960 Like I think it was one of his albums that. 1528 01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:00,960 That's. Crazy. 1529 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,280 It was charting and he was feeling confident and all his 1530 01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:07,960 fans were like, he's saying that oh, they want more guitar in my 1531 01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:11,880 music and he was saying that oh, Sally can't dance. 1532 01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,760 I hated that album because I just went in there and I did 1533 01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:19,120 whatever they told me to do. I don't even remember recording 1534 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,120 it, so I might as well not even be on the album next time. 1535 01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,280 And so this combination of, oh, they want more guitar and they 1536 01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,520 don't want me to be on the album, fine, I'll give them 1537 01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:29,800 this. Like, fuck them. 1538 01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:33,760 And it's just kind of that, like, he's going to contradict 1539 01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:38,400 everyone and try to, like, turn against anyone who's expecting 1540 01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,440 something out of him immediately. 1541 01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:43,320 And yeah, he's just going to give him like, you want to talk? 1542 01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,520 Here it is. The worst thing you can do in 1543 01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,560 Lou Reed's mind is think you know what he's going to do. 1544 01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,160 Yeah. And, and if you think if for a 1545 01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,720 minute he sniffs out that you think you know something about 1546 01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,280 him or you think you know where he's at, he will, to his own 1547 01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,720 fault, go the other way. Like, it's just, it's a kind, 1548 01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,840 it's a, he's a natural contrarian, right. 1549 01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:03,520 Like, and an important one, right. 1550 01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,520 And an important contrarian, like the word contrarian gets a 1551 01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:08,960 bad connotation, but you need them to find out if what you're, 1552 01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,520 if what you believe is actually true, you know? 1553 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,520 So it's just, and in my opinion, I think I'm right. 1554 01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,960 This album sucks. So yeah, I've tested it. 1555 01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:18,880 I've tested it. Yeah. 1556 01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,440 But but anyways, it, like you said, it's actually really fun 1557 01:15:22,440 --> 01:15:24,480 when you go back and look at the discography where you're like, 1558 01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:26,120 wow, he really just did. Yeah. 1559 01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,000 And he tried to reprise it again around the same time Berlin got 1560 01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,960 the reprisal. There was a metal machine Rio 1561 01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,800 that came out in like 2006 and it's with some like, I don't 1562 01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:39,360 know, some guy from Brooklyn with like long hair that knows 1563 01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,320 computers and it's like, and they're like, we will do it 1564 01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,480 again with like some symphonies and stuff. 1565 01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:48,320 And I get, you know, in New York in 2006, it had a crowd and 1566 01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,480 people went and saw it. So, you know, it is what it is. 1567 01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:54,080 And it's kind of like the, the it's kind of like those art 1568 01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,840 galleries where it's a banana taped to a wall, you know, like 1569 01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,920 it's kind of what that reminds me of like when the show where 1570 01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:00,520 they're like, oh, and everybody's just like looking at 1571 01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,360 the banana tape to the wall. Like it. 1572 01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:04,840 Just. Reminds me of that a little bit. 1573 01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:11,080 But Reid is well aware of that. So he has a new girlfriend at 1574 01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:18,000 the time named Rachel or Richard, depending on the 1575 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:19,600 biography. Goes back and forth between 1576 01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,440 Rachel and Richard in 2024. Kind of insane. 1577 01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,360 It's the. The book itself is not trying to 1578 01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:27,960 be, like, based in red pilled at all. 1579 01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:28,400 OK. Just. 1580 01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,280 It's kind of how it was where they'd be like, yeah, there'd be 1581 01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,240 days where you'd be like, hey, Lou, where was that chick you 1582 01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:34,680 were dating? Where was that cute chick you 1583 01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:35,920 were dating? They're like, oh, he's in the 1584 01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:37,400 kitchen. Richard's in the kitchen right 1585 01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,680 now. And then they're like, oh, and 1586 01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,400 it's just like a Puerto Rican guy. 1587 01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,960 Yeah. And, and who apparently Rachel 1588 01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:51,280 had done like a three-year bid in jail for theft and stuff or 1589 01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,080 like two or three years. And that I would imagine we saw 1590 01:16:54,080 --> 01:17:00,280 the the seeds planted in the transgenderism during a hard 1591 01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,640 jail sentence. I could imagine what that was. 1592 01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,680 You could probably read between the lines of where that started 1593 01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:12,040 and so. But then after a while when Reid 1594 01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:14,720 liked to do this thing where he knew he was around bad people, 1595 01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,440 but he was content brained and he was like, this is perfect. 1596 01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,160 This is like what I want to be. It's like a total author kind of 1597 01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,080 thing. Like I want Hunter S Thompson, 1598 01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,080 like gonzo journalism kind of thing where he liked it and he 1599 01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:26,480 was very much a part of what he did. 1600 01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,920 But like, I don't think he had a bad judge of character. 1601 01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,040 I think he was just like, no, I need to be around this type of 1602 01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,280 person. And and obviously he had his 1603 01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,280 proclivities. He probably genuinely loved 1604 01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:42,200 Richard slash Rachel and the Rachel would still, like, go out 1605 01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:44,000 from the biography. It's really funny. 1606 01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,520 They're like, yeah. And then like, nobody would see 1607 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,120 Rachel for a while. And then they'd come back with 1608 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:50,240 like a bunch of stuff that they stole, clearly stole from 1609 01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:50,800 people. So. 1610 01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:52,920 Like, like concept. And they would, like, break into 1611 01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,320 people's houses. And not Lou, not Lou himself, 1612 01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,280 but like, Rachel would have like a team of people that would just 1613 01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:59,000 break into people's houses. And he's like, yeah. 1614 01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,200 And it was so fucking punk, man. Not punk, but, you know, it was 1615 01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,040 so cool. You know, it was just such a 1616 01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:07,960 cool time. And I was like, again, Laurel 1617 01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:12,200 Canyon any day or whatever, Studio 50. 1618 01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,200 Four, I don't give a. Shit, anything other than that. 1619 01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,440 But he's in love at this time and he makes, in my opinion, his 1620 01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:20,760 best album, which is Coney Island baby. 1621 01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:21,680 I love it. I love it. 1622 01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:23,880 It's the reason we're doing this episode right now is because I 1623 01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:27,680 couldn't stop playing this album. 35 minutes long, it's 1624 01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:32,560 quick, has my favorite Lou Reed song, which is Charlie's girl. 1625 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:37,520 It's got like this, like it's got this, this, like, I don't 1626 01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,120 know. It's very grounded to me. 1627 01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,400 And that's what happens when you when somebody's has an earnest 1628 01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:44,400 feeling in there. And I truly believe Lou was 1629 01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:45,520 feeling pretty good at this time. 1630 01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,400 He was still doing a bunch of drugs and stuff, but I think he 1631 01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,160 was just like in a good headspace. 1632 01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,840 And all these songs are just like they're well written, 1633 01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,880 they're tight, the grooves are perfect. 1634 01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,640 There's this like metronomal cowbell that's happening in 1635 01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,520 Charlie's Girl That's really fun. 1636 01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,360 She's my best friend is a great jam. 1637 01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:05,120 I mean that's a jam to me. Kicks has some of the best 1638 01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,680 drumming I've ever heard personally, and that's shout out 1639 01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:12,840 to I think it's Michael Sikorsky is that is on there or I could 1640 01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,600 be. No, no, it's not actually it's 1641 01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:18,120 Bob midday. I think one of the one of the 1642 01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:20,280 ways or another. It's nobody I know personally 1643 01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,000 like from a lot of other bands, but man, he's jam these. 1644 01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,240 One of those two guys were jamming on that. 1645 01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,880 Yeah, no Kicks is a great song. I love that one. 1646 01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:36,320 Charlie's girl, of course I the only one I didn't like it just 1647 01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,400 drags it down is the Oh Baby song. 1648 01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:39,520 That's not a good song. You're right. 1649 01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,320 Yeah, that was the only one that didn't hit it. 1650 01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:44,240 Could be on Sally can Dance. That should be on Sally Can 1651 01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:45,360 Dance. Exactly. 1652 01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:49,080 Yeah, you're right. And it's just like it's sort of 1653 01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:53,760 it's kind of in the middle like, and it's just kind of but yeah, 1654 01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:57,480 nobody's business is great. And then Coney Island baby, just 1655 01:19:57,480 --> 01:20:01,440 what a great like the tempo and those lyrics. 1656 01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:05,280 Guitar John for Shanti John for Shanti core guitar that like 1657 01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,520 eventually would become like what John for Shanti was really 1658 01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:11,960 good at was those really tight, like just tight playing, you 1659 01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:13,560 know what I mean? Really like grounded playing, 1660 01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,600 but like going places you don't expect them to go like fitting 1661 01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:20,080 so much in such a small area. And Reid's really cool because 1662 01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:23,040 again, if you're a virtuoso, which he was constantly around 1663 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:29,920 like really good virtuoso musicians, he was able to he 1664 01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:31,400 does a thing they could never do. 1665 01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,200 They could never learn how to beat Lou Reed. 1666 01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:34,440 So they're like, cool, I've got that. 1667 01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:37,000 I can do everything else that he needs, though, you know, I can 1668 01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:42,360 do everything else. And he you, his style is like 1669 01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,040 almost rap at this point, Like especially in Coney Island, 1670 01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:46,560 babies just spoken word essentially. 1671 01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,200 And he just constantly just wants to play football for the 1672 01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,480 coach, man. He does make a weird like club 1673 01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:54,560 reference about that. Just doesn't make sense about 1674 01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:58,160 linebacker and defensive end, but like, whatever, whatever it 1675 01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,480 is. I mean, it's obviously kind of 1676 01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:02,400 this illusion. Like when he was growing up, he 1677 01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:03,680 played sports. Yeah. 1678 01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:04,920 He wanted to be what his dad wanted. 1679 01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,960 He wanted to be. He actually secretly does wanna 1680 01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,600 be what his dad wanted to be. Struggling with that, Yeah. 1681 01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,880 And yeah, the coach was the dad or that figure, yes. 1682 01:21:14,440 --> 01:21:17,520 Yeah, he he, he wants to be like, you know, he's saying 1683 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,520 like, I'm glad I'm doing what I'm doing. 1684 01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:21,840 But every time, you know, like you have those times where you 1685 01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,960 wind down or maybe like smoke a little weed and it's like you 1686 01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,120 hit too much, you start thinking about like, I should have 1687 01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,200 fucking just done that thing back in the day, dude. 1688 01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:31,680 I should have just done it, you know, and like, maybe my life 1689 01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,440 would be different, you know? And he's, but he's he's toggling 1690 01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:37,040 back and forth where he's like, yeah, but I can't, you know, and 1691 01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,760 and this is this is what I am and that I mean, shout out Scout 1692 01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,560 Dixon W. She's got a fragrance. 1693 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:46,440 Coney Island baby. Nice fragrance, yeah. 1694 01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:47,680 Do you have it? I was I need to. 1695 01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:50,720 Get I do need to get a bottle. Of it yeah yeah, shout out so I 1696 01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,200 mean that's I to be honest didn't even know that's what it 1697 01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:56,920 was from until we started doing this like I was just like oh 1698 01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:01,040 Coney Island yeah sure yeah, but it was yeah I love I but on 1699 01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:04,880 kicks I just a couple more things about that is like that 1700 01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,760 is a straight up like sci. Do you get like, some idea that 1701 01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,800 there's like, like Madlib listens to Lou Reed? 1702 01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:12,160 Yeah, for sure. Definitely. 1703 01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:13,960 Like especially this album. Kicks. 1704 01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,080 There's a part where he's like when the blood come down his his 1705 01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:19,600 neck and it just cuts into like like that. 1706 01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,080 Yeah. Like that's such a mad Lib. 1707 01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:23,440 Like Quasimodo? Yeah, J. 1708 01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:27,080 Zillow like mad Lib weird like like you you you put the fader 1709 01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,080 on the turntable wrong or something like oh. 1710 01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,040 I love that. Oh my gosh. 1711 01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:34,600 Yeah, definitely. Just totally. 1712 01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:35,840 I mean even like. Definitely Stones. 1713 01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,000 It's like a stones throw album. I feel the idiots. 1714 01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,080 Right, you're right. And like Venus, Venus in furs 1715 01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,480 like from Velvet Underground is totally like beat conductor in 1716 01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:46,560 India. Like it's just it's I totally 1717 01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,440 get a lot of that, but this is this is my still my favorite Lou 1718 01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:52,960 Reed album bar none. I mean, like I, I love Berlin, 1719 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:56,560 but I could, I, I could put this on anytime and listen to it. 1720 01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,120 So, and it's I, to be honest, I, I always like to, my parents are 1721 01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,800 not big Lou Reed fans, but they're big 70's pop culture 1722 01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,240 people and are well aware of what he is. 1723 01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,680 And I asked like if I was like, have you ever listened to this? 1724 01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,240 I sent it to my mom. She's like, no, I didn't even 1725 01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:11,080 like, no, like I didn't know what the hell he was doing in 1726 01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,560 the 70s. Like, I just like got. 1727 01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,960 And to be fair, they don't have YouTube and like streaming. 1728 01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,240 Like you went and you had a certain amount of money and you 1729 01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:19,840 bought albums that you wanted to buy. 1730 01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,440 You didn't. And if you didn't hear on the 1731 01:23:22,440 --> 01:23:24,880 radio, which you didn't hear a lot of Lou Reed on the radio, 1732 01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,520 like it wasn't, you know, it wasn't just this constant. 1733 01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,280 It wasn't like the Eagles at this time or. 1734 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,480 Anything. Yeah, he, you know, or, you 1735 01:23:31,480 --> 01:23:35,080 know, people are so people who weren't alive in the 70s don't 1736 01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,320 understand, understand what was actually popular about it. 1737 01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:42,920 And I'm like, Ed, what is it? All right now, like by Free, 1738 01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:44,760 that's like the biggest song of the 70s. 1739 01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:48,200 Like, you know, it's not Stairway to Heaven, you know? 1740 01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,920 You had to be tuned in to to like actually catch walk on the 1741 01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:56,000 wild side on the radio, right, which probably would have been 1742 01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,920 his biggest radio hit at the time. 1743 01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:04,160 And then like actually be into that enough to buy an album that 1744 01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:08,360 has no singles like, you know, or barely any like years later, 1745 01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,160 especially after he released Metal Machine Music and all the 1746 01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:14,320 stores were sending it back like because they couldn't sell any 1747 01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,480 right like. That's incredible. 1748 01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:18,920 I I just the whole, the whole idea of a record store just be 1749 01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:20,320 like, no what's. Like. 1750 01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,680 Like I like, well, you see, you signed up like you signed up for 1751 01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:26,680 for like, you know, this many copies. 1752 01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,560 Oh, God, yeah. It's so funny. 1753 01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:31,480 Yeah. So like, during this time, like 1754 01:24:31,480 --> 01:24:35,280 I said, he's in love with his transgender girlfriend that 1755 01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,680 likes to rob people. Album covers. 1756 01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:39,560 Great. It's one of the first ones. 1757 01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:41,880 Like, it's one of the first ones of its kind. 1758 01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:45,320 Like for him, I should say. Like, you know, the classic Lou 1759 01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:49,320 Reed thing is like a close up of his face with his sunglasses on 1760 01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,160 or with the Nosferatu look or something. 1761 01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,200 But he's just got like that little Charlie Chaplin hat. 1762 01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:57,400 Yeah. Cocked to the side kind of over 1763 01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:01,120 his face, kind of a kind of a little, just a little tasteful. 1764 01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:02,280 It's very tasteful. Love it. 1765 01:25:02,440 --> 01:25:04,600 Love everything about this album except for, like you said, that 1766 01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:06,320 one song. But you know, it's 3 minutes and 1767 01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,400 45 seconds at least. It's not like 10 minutes. 1768 01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,160 Yeah, you can just you can skip it. 1769 01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:13,680 It's Yeah, it totally. You're right. 1770 01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:15,400 It does totally take the like you're like, what is this? 1771 01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:17,520 I I don't know why he included it. 1772 01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,440 You're right, Sally would have been better. 1773 01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,200 Yeah, just I launder. I'll put all of the songs like 1774 01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:23,800 that on that one. Album so nobody can. 1775 01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:25,920 Listen to it. Yeah, yeah. 1776 01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,040 So next we have Rock'n'roll Heart Pretty good. 1777 01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:33,520 I think it's pretty good. I I pretty good to to very good, 1778 01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:38,080 but but mostly pretty good. Kind of just I like you wear it 1779 01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,080 so well. That's one of my favorite songs 1780 01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:44,200 of this era of Lou Reed. Ladies Pay is pretty funny. 1781 01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:48,880 He's a little sassy gay guy song and but yeah, it doesn't it 1782 01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,520 doesn't hit me the way a Coney Island baby does, but it is a 1783 01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,000 solid follow up. Again, it's only 37 minutes 1784 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:56,320 long. Most of the songs are two 1785 01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:57,440 minutes long. Right now. 1786 01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:59,800 You're starting to see the advent of punk rock, which it's 1787 01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:03,120 funny about Lou Reed is he was not part of the punk era because 1788 01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,600 he was already did all that. I love that. 1789 01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:07,840 Like Bowie and him, we're both like, yeah, we were doing that 1790 01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:11,760 in like 1971. Like we're like, I know you kids 1791 01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,680 want to do that thing that that you guys can do that. 1792 01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,840 That's fine. And they talk about it in the in 1793 01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,960 the biography, like, yeah, I know I got to compete with these 1794 01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:21,280 young kids. He's like, they're doing the 1795 01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:22,600 shit we were doing. But I get it. 1796 01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,000 They're young kids. They're you know, they're 1797 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,080 jumping around the stage. People like it and stuff. 1798 01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:29,680 It's just you, you when you get into punk or like start liking 1799 01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,000 punk or something, I'm not the biggest fan, but like you kind 1800 01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,040 of think he's part of that a little bit. 1801 01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,520 And he's just like totally on to something else. 1802 01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:37,240 By that time. I. 1803 01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:38,720 Love it. Oh, yeah, no, they're like, 1804 01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,880 yeah, we did it. We did it better you. 1805 01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:43,680 Know, and I'm I'm inclined, I'm inclined to agree. 1806 01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:47,000 I like like Queen Bitch by David Bowie is like a punk song. 1807 01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,440 It's from 1970, like it's just like, and it's a total like sex 1808 01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:53,400 Pistol song. And I'm like, I like this more 1809 01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,440 than that. Proto punk's always better than 1810 01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:57,880 punk. And post punk and post punk in 1811 01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,480 my opinion, like proto and post in my opinion. 1812 01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,600 And I, you know, look, there's a lot of people that love punk, 1813 01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:08,320 but punk was never meant to be this like long going like thing, 1814 01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,520 you know, like this, this like, oh, for 20-30 years. 1815 01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,600 Like you have to make it into something else after a while 1816 01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,840 because it's really captures one energy at one time. 1817 01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,520 And then after that you kind of have to make iterations of it. 1818 01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,400 That I mean. It's like what? 1819 01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,720 Like why I like, you know, even though I'm not the biggest Ian 1820 01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:27,200 McKay fan, but it's why I like Minor Threat. 1821 01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:30,160 I also like Fugazi. Like he went, he's like, yeah, 1822 01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,240 yeah, you're right, we're not doing that. 1823 01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:34,960 We're going to do something more melodic and actually like, you 1824 01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:38,000 know, something different. Like that whole thing can't 1825 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,520 last. And yeah, that's why it's just 1826 01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:42,880 like punk is very silly nowadays most of the time. 1827 01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,760 And the next album I I I actually really like this one 1828 01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,680 and I love the album cover. I love the I love the like anime 1829 01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:54,040 glint like on the sunglasses, the little anime sparkle St. 1830 01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:55,920 hassle I'm a fan. It doesn't sound like a lot of 1831 01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,920 people love this album, but. I love this. 1832 01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,400 Album I I don't know I just like when you hear like people talk 1833 01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,560 about it, they don't really like mention this album and it's I 1834 01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:09,200 think it's great I I am a huge fan of it and I love the story 1835 01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:13,800 behind it where Arista records Clive Davis guy was around 1836 01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:15,320 forever. I didn't even realize he was 1837 01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:17,920 around during this time, but he he was around all through the 1838 01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:22,360 90s and everything. And he he liked Lou Reed and he 1839 01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:24,360 kind of liked the like scene that was happening. 1840 01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:26,880 You find out Clive Davis was like kind of bisexual. 1841 01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,160 So it's kind of you understand why he likes the scene. 1842 01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:32,720 And this is, you know, kind of around the time you have William 1843 01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:35,120 Freakins cruising and stuff. And you can see the influence 1844 01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:37,920 aesthetically that movie where they're get the meatpacking 1845 01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:43,520 district in, in New York. Reed takes Clive Davis, you 1846 01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:46,480 know, record exec guy, out to the Meatpacking District where 1847 01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:50,000 you can just see like, Crisco fisting happening like you. 1848 01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,920 Just know there's. Some disgusting shit happening. 1849 01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:56,160 I remember Lou Reed claiming that he saw a guy that like 1850 01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,920 looked just like Freddie Mercury and then Freddie Mercury like 1851 01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:02,040 got a mustache like like in short hair right after with like 1852 01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:03,040 tank tops and he's. Like, Oh yeah. 1853 01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,720 Freddie Mercury got that from us, man. 1854 01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:06,600 Like the gay? Like. 1855 01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:13,120 The like gay mustache kind of like leather guy thing from 1856 01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,960 that. So this album is definitely 1857 01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:19,440 sweat. It's like, I think the next one, 1858 01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:21,320 I don't know if it's the next one after this. 1859 01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:24,720 Yeah, the like the Bells becomes a mess and I think this album is 1860 01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:26,120 like the Bells if it's not a mess. 1861 01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:27,480 I think it's very focused and good. 1862 01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:29,600 Love the title track. St. 1863 01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,480 Hassle. I want to be Black is hilarious. 1864 01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:35,160 Because it's. Woke, but nobody nowadays would 1865 01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:37,600 ever classify it as such. Like who is actually woke? 1866 01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:39,160 They'd be like, oh, you can't say that. 1867 01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:42,680 Yeah. No, he was just saying, yeah, he 1868 01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:45,880 was just saying everything he might about black people, even 1869 01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,440 though you're, you know. Yeah, I love all of you for all 1870 01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:52,040 of your qualities. I love all of your. 1871 01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:55,360 Qualities. Because you remember, like, OK, 1872 01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:57,400 you guys remember. I've talked about this a lot. 1873 01:29:57,400 --> 01:30:01,080 Like if you had a teacher in the 90s that was like woke and you 1874 01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,560 know, like with a rain stick to like quiet the class or 1875 01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,440 something like like if you were, if you had a teacher like that, 1876 01:30:06,440 --> 01:30:09,360 they would like say the N word like, and I mean it like not 1877 01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:11,640 like they wouldn't like call the black kid that like in class, 1878 01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:14,280 but they would just like read it out of a book. 1879 01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:16,080 Like they wouldn't like skip over the word and they would 1880 01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:17,360 like say it. They'd be like, and we need to 1881 01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:18,840 say it. We need to be reminded of 1882 01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:21,000 slavery and stuff. And you're like, oh, that's 1883 01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:22,440 crazy. How different like those those 1884 01:30:22,440 --> 01:30:24,800 king of the hill like acoustic guitar teacher like that was 1885 01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:26,480 like they used to do that back in the day. 1886 01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,280 They were like, you don't want to ignore these people. 1887 01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:30,520 Yeah, Patti. Smith. 1888 01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:35,360 Patti Smith, Yeah. Patti Smith definitely was like 1889 01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,280 a middle school teacher just telling your kids like, you 1890 01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:40,400 know, Jimi Hendrix was a, you know. 1891 01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,240 That's the bet. That is one of the artist songs 1892 01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:46,000 ever they took on streaming. They're such cowards. 1893 01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:49,240 It's not on streaming like you. It's literally black like grayed 1894 01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:52,160 out on the streaming. I'm like dude, that song rules. 1895 01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,040 You can find the Marilyn Manson version. 1896 01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:56,560 Yeah, that's right. Why can he say it? 1897 01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,680 I I have no idea it's my English teacher has right for different 1898 01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:01,120 reasons. I know. 1899 01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:02,080 Yeah, I know. Right. 1900 01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:03,280 Yeah. Can you imagine that? 1901 01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,160 If you're like, someone's like you, you're at a bar like, 1902 01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:07,000 you're at some like, you know, hipster bar where they're all 1903 01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:08,960 like, woke and you're just like, I hate Marilyn Manson. 1904 01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,080 And you're like, yeah, he's like, yeah, such a pig. 1905 01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:13,200 He's like, yeah. And he said the N word and 1906 01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:17,880 they're like, what? Oh, I was talking about his. 1907 01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:22,240 I was talking about all of those burlesque girls that he 1908 01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:23,520 kidnapped against their will. Yeah. 1909 01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:28,960 But anyways, the yeah, I Want to Be Black is a great song. 1910 01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,160 I love it. It's it's hilarious. 1911 01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:34,640 And I I this is a really good album and I love the cover too. 1912 01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:38,040 It's probably, it's tough to say because all his album covers are 1913 01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:41,120 pretty sick. So it's it's pretty tough to he, 1914 01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:44,720 he I, I do love that from like the Warhol days, he always just 1915 01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:46,920 had like he always had good album covers. 1916 01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,960 I even like the banana album cover for Velvet Underground. 1917 01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:54,120 I know how cringe that can be now to people, but it's I love 1918 01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:56,880 it. The bells is a mess. 1919 01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,840 In fact, the guy who put there's a really funny thing I'll tell 1920 01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,840 at the end of this about the box set, that part of the biography 1921 01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:05,080 where the guy was trying to put together the Lou Reed box set 1922 01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:07,080 with during the box set craze of the 90s. 1923 01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,880 And the the guy who is putting it together, unless he was 1924 01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:14,960 Bowman put like a lot of albums except for this one on which I'm 1925 01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:16,600 like, this isn't his worst album. 1926 01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:19,480 Like it's just not that good. But he was like, they're like, 1927 01:32:19,480 --> 01:32:21,440 well, dude put the bells on there and he's like, no, I hate 1928 01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:23,080 the bells. And then they got into it over 1929 01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:24,640 that. But I'm like, but then they 1930 01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:28,000 asked Lou Reed like, well, if you have a copy of it, put it on 1931 01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:30,240 like, let's listen to it and I'll reappraise it. 1932 01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:32,200 And Lou Reed's like, oh, I don't have a copy of that. 1933 01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:33,760 He's like, well, do you even fucking like it? 1934 01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:39,440 You know, it's so funny. It's just like, but it's just 1935 01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:41,000 like disco. It's like disco punk. 1936 01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,840 It kind of doesn't work, but I it was a good attempt I think. 1937 01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:49,000 Yeah, no, I mean, it's, I mean coming after St. 1938 01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:54,240 Hassle, which is like, like, I mean, either my number one or 1939 01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:58,680 two favorite of his albums. Like it just is a little 1940 01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:01,720 disappointing. Like City Lights is kind of a 1941 01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:05,680 nice, like kind of tells a story about Charlie Chaplin. 1942 01:33:07,480 --> 01:33:12,640 All through the night is good. I hate disco Mystic. 1943 01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:16,400 It's not good, yeah. Disco Mystic is disco Mystic, 1944 01:33:16,440 --> 01:33:22,040 and like without you is or sorry with you is like a very kind of 1945 01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:26,360 Bowie bad imitation of Bowie. He never quite left it right, 1946 01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:27,760 even though he pretends he didn't. 1947 01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:29,600 Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, you can even 1948 01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,600 hear it on like Berlin, the album right after Transformer 1949 01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:37,000 Lady Day is very good. It's always like there's he's 1950 01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:40,160 trying to have that sound, but he doesn't want to hire Bowie 1951 01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:41,640 again because Bowie gets too much. 1952 01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:43,480 And then Bowie's like. I would love to work I. 1953 01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:47,160 Even though they fought, he literally punched that the Bowie 1954 01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,160 got. Apparently they got in like fist 1955 01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:51,480 fight one time which that had to have been the funniest thing if 1956 01:33:51,480 --> 01:33:53,640 you ever saw that happen. Like if you were like at a club 1957 01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:56,640 or like a baby girl like. A you're like, are those two 1958 01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:57,720 late? One of those two ladies? 1959 01:33:57,760 --> 01:33:59,000 One, what's that? What is that? 1960 01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:00,760 What is that? Lesbian in a leather jacket and 1961 01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,400 that girl with the red mullet fighting. 1962 01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,320 On her. Is there a slap fighting match 1963 01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:07,600 going on? Well, you 2 ladies settle down 1964 01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,200 and then you know that that happens. 1965 01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:13,280 And then I remember like Bowie was just like, you got to get 1966 01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:15,080 your shit together. And it's like we're talking 1967 01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:17,280 about David Bowie in the 70s telling you, you have to get 1968 01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:19,080 your shit together. This guy's like, this guy's like 1969 01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:22,160 hallucinating off of like not eating anything and like doing 1970 01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:24,440 just eating Peppers. And. 1971 01:34:24,440 --> 01:34:27,160 And milk and cocaine. And he's like blue. 1972 01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:32,160 You are a mess like you. Have a pepper chill. 1973 01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,560 I know he's like, I have the perfect diet. 1974 01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:38,040 Yeah, you can be 110 lbs. There's always someone worse off 1975 01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:40,040 than you. There's always another level you 1976 01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:40,920 can. That's hilarious. 1977 01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:42,760 Yeah. It's like had to have been bad. 1978 01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:45,400 And I think that's one thing the biography does is it's a pretty, 1979 01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:48,800 it's a pretty good picture of Lou Reed because I have a 1980 01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:51,960 feeling it's way worse than what was telling what they're telling 1981 01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,680 you in the in the biography. Because it's just like, like the 1982 01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,400 guy's a mess. And and the part of it is like 1983 01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:59,480 David Bowie is probably just as much of a drug addict, but he 1984 01:34:59,480 --> 01:35:02,040 was nice. Like he was a nice guy. 1985 01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:04,640 Like, people just were like, yeah, but he's cool as fuck, you 1986 01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:06,480 know, like Reed, It's like, damn it. 1987 01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,480 Like he yelled at me again. He threw a fucking bottle with 1988 01:35:09,480 --> 01:35:12,960 Jim Beam at my head, you know, for, for not putting the mic 1989 01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,240 close enough to his acoustic guitar, You know, like, it's 1990 01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:18,800 just, it's your actions, not necessarily what you consume a 1991 01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:22,080 lot of times. And he was a big, big Johnnie 1992 01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:28,000 Walker Black fan, by the way. He loves being black and growing 1993 01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:29,520 up in Publix. Another one that I think it's 1994 01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:30,720 OK. I don't. 1995 01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:32,760 I kind of like forgot about it already, like I don't. 1996 01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,400 I'm looking at the tracks. Nothing really pops out to me, 1997 01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:41,560 but it's about to make a really good album in my opinion. 1998 01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:44,760 My opinion probably is last masterpiece. 1999 01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:50,000 It's called the Blue mask. And at this time, Lou Reed's 2000 01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:51,960 starting to look like Diddy Kong, by the way. 2001 01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:54,440 Like if you look at him, he has this, like curly hair and he 2002 01:35:54,440 --> 01:35:56,720 almost looks kind of simian as he's starting to get older. 2003 01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,040 And he kind of looks if you put him in a Red Hat and a red 2004 01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:00,280 shirt, he would look like Diddy Kong. 2005 01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:03,440 And then, yeah, these guys keeping it high and tide, he's 2006 01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:05,920 starting to become more like Jewish at this time. 2007 01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:09,160 And then in the 90s, he'd get the full like Jeff Lynne, like 2008 01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,640 Howard Stern perm, Like that would happen. 2009 01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:13,440 Or I don't know if it's a perm. It's probably just it was 2010 01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:15,800 natural hair, but. He's do fro. 2011 01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,000 He's got. He really started to. 2012 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:19,240 Be playing. I always forget he's Jewish 2013 01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:21,720 like. Yeah, and then the biography 2014 01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:24,000 reminds you through the entire back half of the water. 2015 01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:26,000 And I just love being Jewish, man. 2016 01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:28,840 Jesse Jackson, I don't like your comments about Jews, man. 2017 01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:33,960 Yeah, it was funny. So Reed, somewhere along the 2018 01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:36,480 line, picks up a a guitarist named Robert Klein, who I think 2019 01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:38,840 is fantastic. Robert Klein is a great guitar 2020 01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:44,960 player and he definitely, it's funny, they used to mix his 2021 01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,240 guitar. They used to mix it left and 2022 01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:49,600 right. So, so Reed, I think Reed was on 2023 01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:51,040 the left and Klein was on the right. 2024 01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:54,120 And guess which one they would argue about? 2025 01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:55,800 Who should be turned up higher, Lou? 2026 01:36:56,520 --> 01:37:00,000 Reed or Robert? Klein Yeah, yeah, I've lot dude 2027 01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:01,920 a lot of times and I'm not trying to hate on him. 2028 01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,800 Nobody listens to Lou Reed for like great guitar playing by 2029 01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:07,040 him. That's not what you're there 2030 01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,040 for. But like a lot of like big shows 2031 01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:11,720 that he would do, especially in the 80s during like Farm Aid and 2032 01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:14,520 things, they would just like straight up turn his amp off to 2033 01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:17,800 the to like, 'cause they're just like we like, there's plenty of 2034 01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:20,200 guys that'll play this show with you that can just play the stuff 2035 01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:21,960 you do. And eventually towards the end, 2036 01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,400 you can tell like in the 2000s he was actually kind of jamming 2037 01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:25,720 a little bit. Like he actually started taking 2038 01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:29,960 it really seriously and became kind of a gearhead and and 2039 01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:32,160 really wanted to wanted to do that. 2040 01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:35,600 And I think maybe his marriage to Laurie Anderson, because she 2041 01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:39,440 was kind of a virtuoso musician, maybe that kind of played into 2042 01:37:39,440 --> 01:37:41,440 it a little bit. But the blue mask is great, 2043 01:37:41,440 --> 01:37:44,240 especially the title track if fucking rules. 2044 01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:48,480 That's like the good frequency like feedback stuff that I like 2045 01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:52,400 because it's still rooted in that awesome bass line of just 2046 01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:58,200 like and the lyrics are cool. They don't fit kind of, but they 2047 01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:00,000 do. And that's what Lou Reed does is 2048 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:03,160 he's like, you would never write this song this way only I can 2049 01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:07,240 and I love that song. I love underneath the bottle. 2050 01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:11,600 He's flirting with quitting drinking at this point, if he 2051 01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:15,000 hasn't already. He also has a song called I Love 2052 01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:17,920 Women, which, yeah, it's a song. Yeah. 2053 01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:20,240 Yeah, that's a that's a great one, right? 2054 01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:22,080 He's like talking about feeling guilty. 2055 01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:25,720 He's like, I looked at like dirty magazines, but that's 2056 01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:27,800 sexist. I know that like. 2057 01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:31,440 Well, he's with a woman named Sylvia Morales at this point who 2058 01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:33,920 is a feminist, like author, right? 2059 01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:35,920 Or something like she's, she's like that. 2060 01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:37,960 They had a house in the 80s together. 2061 01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:42,120 They've they've Rach, you'll be shocked to find out Rachel was 2062 01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:46,360 begging on the streets for money after Lou Reed left left. 2063 01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:49,680 Her. Eventually died of AIDS. 2064 01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:54,400 Yeah, Lou got out at the right time and. 2065 01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:58,160 He shorted it well. Yeah, he shorted, he shorted, he 2066 01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:04,920 shorted Rachel Richard Coyne and he he best definitely started 2067 01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:09,800 with the Sylvia Morales girl. They, they talked about the 2068 01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:15,280 house that they bought together and they had a, a Oh God, what 2069 01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,120 was it? Yeah, they had an earth toilet 2070 01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:21,400 in their house that turned waste into compost using no water, 2071 01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:23,320 which, you know, he's like, Oh yeah. 2072 01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:26,240 Like I lived in the fucking factory where that's, we had 2073 01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:29,400 that at the factory too, where you just shit on the ground 2074 01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:31,320 probably. Yeah, leave it there. 2075 01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:33,560 That's the compost and. Then someone's like, oh, is that 2076 01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:37,120 a piece that you're working on, like, or something? 2077 01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:40,640 Oh my God, that's so great. Yeah, yeah. 2078 01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,360 So that's that's the that's pretty funny. 2079 01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:45,840 And but yeah, the blue mask is great. 2080 01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:48,200 I love most of the songs on this album. 2081 01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:50,520 I mean, we should point out, yeah, at this time. 2082 01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:54,280 So he's left Rachel and like, he's already like, I'm done with 2083 01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:57,000 the junkie faggot shit. Like, I'm going to be like a 2084 01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,760 different type of guy. And this album, like actually is 2085 01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:02,640 the first one to really show it. It is. 2086 01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:07,280 I mean, the women won, but I love women. 2087 01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:11,120 Maybe he's broadcasting stuff a little bit too loudly there, but 2088 01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:16,880 but it is a good song. My House is just a great ode to 2089 01:40:17,480 --> 01:40:21,320 Delmar Schwartz because. Yeah, the blue mask title I 2090 01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:23,560 believe is a Delmar Schwartz thing, right? 2091 01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:24,800 Oh, OK. Yeah, I. 2092 01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,160 Think I think. That make that makes sense 2093 01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:31,560 'cause it yeah, what I. The gun. 2094 01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:35,640 So the gun, the first time I listened to that, it was like, 2095 01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:39,720 OK, this is a little corny, it's a little cheesy about it's about 2096 01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:42,000 this guy who feels this power of the gun. 2097 01:40:42,440 --> 01:40:46,400 And then I listen to it and I'm like, actually, Louie makes it 2098 01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:48,080 work. Like it is kind of a little bit 2099 01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:51,600 more of a Clint Eastwood ask. Like he's been inspired by this 2100 01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:54,720 sort of vigilantism. Like this is what, 82? 2101 01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:57,760 So like, you know, comes in like the gritty New York. 2102 01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:00,520 He's kind of changing his attitude about what New York has 2103 01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:03,840 become. And I think also there was a 2104 01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:09,400 story in the biography about, I don't know, someone was, I heard 2105 01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:13,080 like Lou Reed owned a firearm, like he owned a, some sort of a 2106 01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,960 revolver. And they couldn't like think and 2107 01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:18,680 imagine like him having a revolver cause like they would 2108 01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:21,880 never want to be around him. And it turns out they were like, 2109 01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:24,760 they went to his house and there was a hole in the floor and 2110 01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:26,560 they're like, what happened? He's like, I don't know, the 2111 01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:27,720 revolver went off. I'm. 2112 01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:30,240 Like. He just accidentally like, yeah. 2113 01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:32,400 Through the floor, through the floor, which you know he's on 2114 01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:34,320 like the fifth floor too. Like it's like. 2115 01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,160 Oh man. I didn't even think about that 2116 01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:39,520 like. Yeah. 2117 01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:42,640 Shit, man. Charge it to the game dude. 2118 01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:45,640 Dead 3 year old. Damn, Republicans out there, 2119 01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:47,320 some conservative Christians down there. 2120 01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:50,520 So they know, they understand. They, they put this in my hand, 2121 01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:54,080 man. But yeah, that's hilarious. 2122 01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:57,000 Yeah, I know there's so many good stories of him in the 80s. 2123 01:41:57,160 --> 01:41:59,880 Like he like he had more antics when he got sober because like, 2124 01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:02,000 I feel like that was how he, how he got his kicks right. 2125 01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:04,960 Was was was like trolling people hard. 2126 01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:08,040 I like legendary hearts too. I think it's fine. 2127 01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:12,880 I think it's a fine album. It's it's like not nearly as 2128 01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:14,960 good as blue mask, but there's some good ones. 2129 01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:17,600 And he starts getting really heavy-handed politically around 2130 01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:21,000 this time, like where it's like, OK, it's Peter Gabriel used to 2131 01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:24,040 suffer from the same problem where it's like I it's implied 2132 01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:28,360 in your music that you are a, you know, clean up Captain 2133 01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:31,240 planet, clean up the trash lived hard like it's implied. 2134 01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:34,400 And when I get it, and I'm not against that, especially during 2135 01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:36,480 the 80s and stuff, because there was trash everywhere after the 2136 01:42:36,480 --> 01:42:39,720 70s and, and stuff like I, I, I'm, I'm for that. 2137 01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:41,520 It's just, you don't need to make a song that says that 2138 01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:45,440 explicitly, you know, And then sometimes that happens in the 2139 01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:48,760 80s with, with Lou Reed, whereas he was just the good part about 2140 01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:51,880 it is he was able to be really artful in the 70s when he was 2141 01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:54,360 talking about something and it all these things had double 2142 01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:56,520 meanings and stuff. And the 80s is just such a 2143 01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:58,520 decade of like earnesty, I feel like. 2144 01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:04,080 And we're starting to hop into like Reaganomics, like big, big 2145 01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:06,720 massive, like commercial try to get a commercial hit 2146 01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:09,760 Reaganomics, which Lou definitely tried to get a part 2147 01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:12,680 of. Make no mistake, he wanted to 2148 01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:16,400 hit Clive Davis showed him in 1978, Bruce Springsteen. 2149 01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:19,480 And he tried to like he saw Bruce Springsteen live, which 2150 01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:21,840 again, I'm not a massive Springsteen guy, but if you see 2151 01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,080 him live like there's just a a part of that where it's 2152 01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:25,800 objectively like great, I'm sure. 2153 01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:29,080 And especially in those like it's amazing club shows that he 2154 01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:31,480 would do in the 70s that like boomers all pretend they were at 2155 01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,720 and and they all pretend they were there. 2156 01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:37,200 They all, they like you all, went to the same bar and saw a. 2157 01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:39,560 Bridge in 1970. Eight, they all went there with 2158 01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:41,240 the bottom line or wherever that was, yeah. 2159 01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:45,280 CBGB's dude, he was at Clr just like, I'm like, you live in 2160 01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,640 Arkansas. Like what are you like like. 2161 01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:50,480 That my dad was, he was a victim of that and it's bummers. 2162 01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:53,280 Like I knew he would be embellishing some shit, but I 2163 01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:55,000 knew a lot of the shit he was saying was true. 2164 01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:57,280 So I'm like, you know, it's very, it's hard to. 2165 01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:00,000 Yeah, they're taking like second hand information, which is like, 2166 01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,480 again, I kind of long for that time period cuz now you can't 2167 01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:05,400 lie about that stuff. And I'm like, you're in this 2168 01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:09,280 hyper, like the transparent part where like everybody knows what 2169 01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:11,080 you did and stuff and you're like, I kind of like these 2170 01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:13,840 people to have like a, a, a fable to tell. 2171 01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:15,280 You know. But it is funny like, cuz you're 2172 01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:17,160 like, you were not at that show until before. 2173 01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:20,600 And he performed until 7:30 AM and I went to work after that. 2174 01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:22,280 You're like, no, you didn't. Yeah. 2175 01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:25,120 It's like, it's like grandpa's war stories, you know what I 2176 01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:26,320 mean? Like, you know, you could let 2177 01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:28,920 let him embellish, you know, like, let him, yeah. 2178 01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:31,320 Yeah, yeah. It's just, it's totally fine. 2179 01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:33,120 It's just it's funny. They all pretend to have seen 2180 01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:34,080 Bruce Springsteen at the. Bar. 2181 01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:36,920 And not like I would agree if you were like, oh, I went saw 2182 01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:40,040 him at like where the Red Wings play like, yeah, OK, sure, yeah, 2183 01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,200 maybe it did. But like when they pretend 2184 01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:44,640 they've seen him in his like early days, like born to Run, 2185 01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:47,800 you know, like all that. And I just it cracks me up. 2186 01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:48,760 But he saw he was. Drinking. 2187 01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,520 Beers with everyone after the show and yeah. 2188 01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:53,480 I've Clive. He's like, I'm not gonna stop 2189 01:44:53,480 --> 01:44:55,320 playing until this bar runs out of beer. 2190 01:44:56,360 --> 01:44:58,240 And then. And yeah, so it's just, yeah, 2191 01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:00,480 just one of those, like, movie moments that they do. 2192 01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:03,960 I love it, but he's he Clive Davis went to see him and you 2193 01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:06,080 know, Lou Reed will just go, yeah, it's, it's fine, not 2194 01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:07,720 really my thing. And then clearly he tries to 2195 01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:10,160 make like a Bruce Springsteen album like 4 times in a row 2196 01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:13,040 afterwards. Classic, classic. 2197 01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:15,520 I don't like the guy, but I could do that and shit, why 2198 01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:18,840 didn't I think of that? Let me do that now thing. 2199 01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:23,440 I everybody who's listening to this right now, if you're like 2200 01:45:23,440 --> 01:45:24,800 whatever, I'm not going to listen to this stuff. 2201 01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:26,560 Just look up the cover of this next album. 2202 01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:28,080 It's amazing. New sensations. 2203 01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:32,320 Lou Reed he is playing and that what it looks like in Atari of 2204 01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:35,840 himself. He's like a baby like size 2205 01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:39,760 playing it and he's just stoically like the thinker, like 2206 01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:42,240 on the on the screen and he's like playing a video game, which 2207 01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:43,520 he did have an Atari at the time. 2208 01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:46,520 He was like one of the like he bought the Atari like right when 2209 01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:48,920 it came out and he was like, he was like a Miles Davis guy, like 2210 01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:53,280 he loved like whatever was new. And but I this album's funny 2211 01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:55,920 because Robert Klein and him have a falling out and Robert 2212 01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:59,240 Klein was on the blue mask and was really proud of his work on 2213 01:45:59,240 --> 01:46:03,160 there and he showed it to God. What is that guy from Rolling 2214 01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:05,240 Stone that died? He killed or? 2215 01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:07,760 Like killed himself. Lester Bangs, right? 2216 01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,920 And him and Lou Reed kind of had like a ornery, kind of like 2217 01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:14,760 outlaw. Yeah, Lester Dane said some 2218 01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:18,560 pretty wild shit about Rachel. About right, Yeah. 2219 01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:21,680 Oh, that's right. Oh my God, I don't know if you 2220 01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:23,520 have the quote, but it's pretty wild. 2221 01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:28,840 I I will try my best to find it because it is just insane like. 2222 01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,920 It it. Is it is like, it is like, dude, 2223 01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:36,280 it is like RuPaul's Drag Race, like level like shit. 2224 01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:38,920 Like it's just like like like the old school iterations where 2225 01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:42,480 they're like, like I to even to me, somebody who I like, I don't 2226 01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:45,880 make my, you know, opinions vague about what I think about 2227 01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:47,400 stuff like that, especially nowadays. 2228 01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:49,760 But I'm like, damn, even to me, I was like, dude, fuck. 2229 01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:54,360 Like, I was like, dude, chill out, Yeah. 2230 01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:58,200 But this this album cover was great. 2231 01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:02,200 Like it's one of the, I have 4 Lou Reed albums on record, 2232 01:47:02,440 --> 01:47:06,920 Transformer, St. Hassle New York and this one, 2233 01:47:07,440 --> 01:47:08,800 New Sensations. Yeah. 2234 01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:12,280 So I love, I love the artwork on this. 2235 01:47:12,280 --> 01:47:16,840 It's just, it's, I mean, it's the first time where it's not 2236 01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:18,880 like his face just front and center. 2237 01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:22,240 So I thought that was interesting about the artwork. 2238 01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:25,360 Yeah, exactly. It's it's like, yeah, I man, I 2239 01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:29,120 can't find the, I can't find the let me see if I, I have to go to 2240 01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:31,360 like I, I definitely won't find it in the book because I listen 2241 01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:33,960 to it on audio. That is the one downside of not 2242 01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:36,480 being able to do that. But Oh yeah. 2243 01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:39,680 Because with Rachel, it was like Rachel was like considering 2244 01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:43,080 actual like a, a surgery because God, what was the surgery like 2245 01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:45,160 in 1977? Oh yeah, I know. 2246 01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:48,120 Like where? Like it was a doctor Nick or 2247 01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:49,680 something. Like Oh my gosh. 2248 01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:52,200 Like I was like, I don't even want. 2249 01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:54,360 I don't even mean it's bad now. Like, I don't even want it. 2250 01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:56,280 I don't even want to know. Like. 2251 01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:58,600 So. Yeah. 2252 01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:01,520 Noted rock critic Lester Bangs, who was friend of Reed's then 2253 01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:04,360 guitarist Robert Klein, often wrote negatively about Rachel 2254 01:48:04,360 --> 01:48:09,200 during his tenure as editor of Cream shortly after Bang's death 2255 01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:10,040 in the spring. Yeah. 2256 01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:13,360 Basically he was just like, oh, yeah, yeah. 2257 01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:13,960 Yeah. Here we go. 2258 01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:16,520 In notes from in Notes from the Velvet Underground. 2259 01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:20,000 Oh no, not, that's not the that's not the quote. 2260 01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:23,520 Anyways, Basically like one guy saw Rachel begging on the 2261 01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:26,480 streets. But like Lester, Lester Bangs 2262 01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:29,480 was just like, I can't believe people think this is a chick. 2263 01:48:29,480 --> 01:48:32,960 Basically like I what the fuck? Like what world are we living in 2264 01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:34,240 right now? Like why are we calling? 2265 01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:36,720 Like it was just like, you know what a lot of people would have 2266 01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:38,840 thought to be honest, if you weren't, but Lester Bangs also 2267 01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:40,840 was like, he was like in the scene and stuff too. 2268 01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:43,080 I'm like, that's weird that you like you've never seen, like 2269 01:48:43,480 --> 01:48:45,200 you've probably seen this type of shit before. 2270 01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:47,120 So it was kind of kind of interesting. 2271 01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:49,560 Lester Bangs lost, though. He killed himself, right? 2272 01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:52,000 So he's, you know, or something. He died of drug overdose. 2273 01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:52,920 Or. Something like that, Yeah, I 2274 01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:56,080 think he overdosed on like cold medicine or something. 2275 01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:57,400 Like that beta? Yeah. 2276 01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:00,920 So, you know, Reed wins. Rachel did not win. 2277 01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:02,280 Reed wins, though. Well. 2278 01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:05,160 OK, so I do have I have a little bit of the quote. 2279 01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:09,640 In 1980, following the release of Londie, Lester Baines was 2280 01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:12,040 interviewing for a radio program called News Blimp. 2281 01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:15,480 A copy of the tape sent to me anonymously. 2282 01:49:15,480 --> 01:49:18,320 Hang on. No, wait. 2283 01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:21,800 No, All right, Never mind. That's not it. 2284 01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:22,640 OK. And. 2285 01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:25,520 It's like, it's like a fucking like diatribe too. 2286 01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:27,080 It's crazy. I remember when it happened. 2287 01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:30,760 He's just like spazzing out on, on, on Rachel and it's like, 2288 01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:34,640 wow, crazy. But yeah, anyways, the Robert 2289 01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:38,920 Quine had a falling out with Reed because he had shown Lester 2290 01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:42,880 Bangs the blue mask. And you know, I think Lester 2291 01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:44,840 Bangs was like, this is good and then made kind of like a 2292 01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:47,480 backhanded compliment about it. But Robert Klein was like, hey, 2293 01:49:47,480 --> 01:49:49,720 Lester Bangs liked your album. And he said like this, he had a 2294 01:49:49,720 --> 01:49:52,560 couple quips qualms with it. And like Reed was like, fuck 2295 01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:54,240 that guy, what are you doing? What do you need his approval 2296 01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:55,600 for, you fucking loser? Get out of my. 2297 01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:59,000 Band. Reed as a lead guitarist is not 2298 01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:02,000 the best option on your album, but on News Sensations, what he 2299 01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:04,520 does I think is really cool. And any, you know, smart 2300 01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:07,200 producer knows this is kind of like, OK, we need to play to our 2301 01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:08,880 strengths here. Let's bring in some synths, 2302 01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:12,120 Let's bring in some drum machines and let's let read just 2303 01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:15,120 kind of like like be. He's really catchy on this 2304 01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:17,080 album. I love endlessly jealous. 2305 01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:20,280 I think that's a great song. And the title track, New 2306 01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:21,240 sensations. Great. 2307 01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:25,400 My my red joystick. I mean, look, a lot of people 2308 01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:26,400 aren't going to like it. If you're. 2309 01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,880 If you're from these albums, like, if you're, if you're, if 2310 01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:31,920 you're just like, you know, Velvet Underground, like, yeah, 2311 01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:32,960 you're not going to like this album. 2312 01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:35,200 But I, I liked it. I found it very fun. 2313 01:50:35,200 --> 01:50:37,800 And I was ready to be like, oh, we're hitting a lull here. 2314 01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:40,280 This isn't going to be good. I was surprised that I liked it. 2315 01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:45,280 Yeah, I mean, so my red joystick, the thing like it's 2316 01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:49,200 kind of a fun like tune melody, but just like the lyrics where 2317 01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:54,600 he's trying to be obviously like like his red joystick, everyone 2318 01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:57,520 knows what it is. He's like trying to do a sexual 2319 01:50:57,680 --> 01:50:58,520 play on words. Of course. 2320 01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:02,760 Yeah. But I mean, yeah, the song New 2321 01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:07,280 Sensations was great. Was it? 2322 01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:12,160 I love you Suzanne on this. Yeah, that's the. 2323 01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:15,240 Oh yeah, that's the first song. Yeah, yeah, I know. 2324 01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:17,400 That's another great one that I that I really love. 2325 01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:21,560 But yeah, no, this is like a great album and kind of is just 2326 01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:25,640 like a little bit more fun than like it's a little bit more fun 2327 01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:28,080 than the Blue mask and his previous ones. 2328 01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:33,840 Like because I think a lot of the Blue mask and previous one, 2329 01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:40,480 what was it called growing up in public and and the bells like 2330 01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:44,600 this one just he was kind of out of that. 2331 01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:48,680 I'm getting over heroin and alcoholism phase like that early 2332 01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:50,280 80s. He was still like kind of 2333 01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:53,000 recovering from that, trying to adjust to life, I think. 2334 01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:56,720 And he finally really got sober around these sensations. 2335 01:51:56,720 --> 01:52:03,560 And yeah, leading up to the next album, Mistrial. 2336 01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:06,160 Mistrial sucks dude. I. 2337 01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:08,280 Mistrial sucks. I. 2338 01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:10,160 Sucks because the album cover's cool. 2339 01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:12,040 I wish it was good. Like, I was like I was looking 2340 01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:12,680 at it. I like it. 2341 01:52:12,720 --> 01:52:16,400 Like such a sick 80s vibe is just the the thing. 2342 01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:17,960 And it's just, it's just not good. 2343 01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:21,600 Like I, I just, yeah, unfortunately, I really, really 2344 01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:24,120 wanted to like that album. It's not good. 2345 01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:31,560 And to be honest, I grew up with his album New York in the House. 2346 01:52:32,200 --> 01:52:34,160 It's kind of embarrassing now when you listen to it. 2347 01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:35,360 I don't know if you feel that way. 2348 01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:40,560 I I look his lyrics may be a little embarrassing because. 2349 01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:43,360 It's yeah. It's very dated. 2350 01:52:43,480 --> 01:52:46,560 Like, you know, when you start mentioning Giuliani and like, 2351 01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:52,960 you know, like start referencing Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton 2352 01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:57,560 and stuff. The Jesse Jackson story is the 2353 01:52:57,560 --> 01:53:00,000 Jesse Jackson cause. Jesse Jackson ran for president 2354 01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,720 in the 80s. He was kind of a Bernie Sanders 2355 01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:09,200 style, albeit Bernie Sanders heritage and Jesse Jackson's 2356 01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:12,720 views not not quite the same. Jesse Jackson was running kind 2357 01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:15,240 of like, you know, workers rights, you know, big time, 2358 01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:17,480 like, like leftist populist kind of thing that was happening. 2359 01:53:17,480 --> 01:53:18,600 He was getting some traction too. 2360 01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:19,840 Like it was definitely happening. 2361 01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:23,440 Problem is he went to New York and he called it Hymytown, which 2362 01:53:23,440 --> 01:53:27,640 is a Jewish slur. And you know, he's got like 2363 01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:29,320 Louis Farrakhan. That's probably that's probably 2364 01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:32,400 the diet version of what he actually thinks and and. 2365 01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:34,880 Lou be like. Hey, man, what? 2366 01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:36,520 He's like, like supporting Jesse Jackson. 2367 01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:38,360 He's like, he doesn't like the Jews, man. 2368 01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:45,120 What so funny. He's like, oh man, no thanks, 2369 01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:46,880 Jesse, like. It just. 2370 01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:49,160 Cracks me up. Yeah, he just pretty much starts 2371 01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:53,320 calling him a race hustler like. He did, no, he was like, he was 2372 01:53:53,320 --> 01:53:55,240 like, sorry. He's like, he's like, look, he's 2373 01:53:55,240 --> 01:53:57,000 like, I'm sorry, that's a bridge too far. 2374 01:53:57,080 --> 01:53:59,000 I cannot, I cannot support you anymore. 2375 01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:01,800 But it's, it's so funny 'cause you could tell he was like #1 2376 01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:05,240 proponent of like that style of like, you know, Bernie Sanders, 2377 01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:07,000 like leftist populism kind of thing. 2378 01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:09,720 That was, that was apparent there. 2379 01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:14,280 And but yeah, I, you know, New York is, I don't know it. 2380 01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:17,200 I, I want, I remember as a kid thinking it was kind of 2381 01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:19,840 interesting, like my mom would play it and she really liked it. 2382 01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:22,240 And like I said, not, not, she's not a massive Lou Reed fan, but 2383 01:54:22,240 --> 01:54:24,560 I think, you know, she liked some of the stuff he was saying 2384 01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:26,000 on there. And at the time. 2385 01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:28,240 It's a little different making that than making it now. 2386 01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:31,280 It's important to, it's important to say that. 2387 01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:35,960 And it just, it just doesn't hold up that well to me. 2388 01:54:35,960 --> 01:54:37,960 I don't know, like, and I just even some of the musical 2389 01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:41,880 arrangements are just OK to me. And it's 14 songs, you know, 2390 01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:43,680 and, and I just don't think it needs to be. 2391 01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:50,160 There's that really the line of like the Statue of Liberty, like 2392 01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:52,480 peeing on you. And you're just like, oh boy, 2393 01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:54,040 like. Like you mean the statue of 2394 01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:57,040 bigotry? Statue of bigotry, not the 2395 01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:00,040 statue of right. Alcohol to the left, Lou. 2396 01:55:01,160 --> 01:55:03,280 Yeah. Not the statue of bigotry. 2397 01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:04,920 Yeah. No, it's not great. 2398 01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:08,480 Warhol's dead at this point. He died in 1986. 2399 01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:11,880 Andy Warhol, him and Lou Reed had a falling out, as you know, 2400 01:55:12,240 --> 01:55:16,440 most people do with him, but he it's quite clear that he was 2401 01:55:16,440 --> 01:55:18,560 still kind of a looming presence in Lou's life. 2402 01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:20,880 Definitely influential to him, whether he wants to admit it or 2403 01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:24,080 not. But in 1986, Warhol died. 2404 01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:26,320 I didn't realize Warhol died from medical malpractice, 2405 01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:27,360 though. I did not know that. 2406 01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:32,560 Like from the gunshot? Well, he got shot, right. 2407 01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:35,720 One time he got shot and I think he had been having complications 2408 01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:38,160 from gallbladder. He had to get his gallbladder 2409 01:55:38,160 --> 01:55:42,560 removed and they pumped in the hospital. 2410 01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:44,760 They never had anybody monitoring him the whole time. 2411 01:55:45,320 --> 01:55:47,920 Like literally nobody. Like nobody visited Warhol. 2412 01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:49,600 Like no nurses or? Anything and they. 2413 01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:51,760 Pumped. They pumped double the fluids 2414 01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:55,400 into his body. So they just like fucking like 2415 01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:58,640 blimped him, turned him into a blimp and then he just like died 2416 01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:02,520 and like, yeah, it's crazy. So I just like, and they're 2417 01:56:02,520 --> 01:56:05,440 like, I guess they, they got $3,000,000 from the hospital in 2418 01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:07,360 a lawsuit. So it's like, OK, there's got to 2419 01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:09,880 be something there, you know, like, it's wild. 2420 01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:13,200 So anyways, trust doctors. They're the best guys. 2421 01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:17,160 And the, the, he, they're just so good. 2422 01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:22,360 They're fucking amazing. And he, you know, he makes an 2423 01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:26,000 album with John Kale. They decide to get together and 2424 01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:28,480 make this. I, I think this is an awful 2425 01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:29,880 album. A lot of people like it. 2426 01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:32,480 I don't like it. It's called Songs for Drella. 2427 01:56:33,160 --> 01:56:37,560 And I don't I, I, I fucking fall asleep to this thing, dude. 2428 01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:39,880 Like I, I just, it just does nothing for me. 2429 01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:42,520 I don't know. I people got great reviews. 2430 01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:46,920 All these places love it, you know, Rolling Stone, 4 out of 2431 01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:51,280 five, you know, LA Times, 3 out of five, Chicago Tribune 4. 2432 01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:53,840 There's a lot but I I can't listen to it. 2433 01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:59,640 I mean, I'll give I'll give Lou his due as far as just being a 2434 01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:04,160 great songwriter on this album. If you read the lyrics, like it 2435 01:57:04,160 --> 01:57:07,600 is really just a very like touching eulogy to Mindy Warhol. 2436 01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:10,800 And it's very well written. Like if you just read it, like 2437 01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:14,680 poetically, it's really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2438 01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:16,760 The musics Boring. That's the problem. 2439 01:57:16,760 --> 01:57:18,560 It's like. And it was frustrating because I 2440 01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:20,560 love John Kale too. And I'm like, oh, these guys. 2441 01:57:20,680 --> 01:57:22,720 And it's just like, yeah, you get together and I don't know, 2442 01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:24,200 maybe you disagreed about so much. 2443 01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:27,880 It all just kind of like washed into something in very average 2444 01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:29,640 musically. Yeah, and they start trying to 2445 01:57:29,640 --> 01:57:31,240 flirt around with a velvet reunion. 2446 01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:33,960 Sounds like people are running out of money and they want to do 2447 01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:36,160 like, a little thing. They the Velvets getting cut 2448 01:57:36,240 --> 01:57:38,840 when grunge comes out, Grunge comes out every. 2449 01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:42,440 You know, Kurt Cobain's looks like a Warhol junkie, basically. 2450 01:57:42,440 --> 01:57:45,160 So everybody's just kind of going back to the roots and 2451 01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:49,760 finding Velvet Underground, finding, you know, Lou Reed or 2452 01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:52,640 Transformer, a lot of these like things that inspire what's 2453 01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:55,800 really popular in the 90s. So they want to capitalize on 2454 01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:58,560 that and it doesn't last long. Everybody's like, hey, makes. 2455 01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:00,720 It's kind of like when Oasis reunites. 2456 01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:03,000 You definitely don't want to buy tickets for the third Oasis 2457 01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:04,520 reunion show on. The date. 2458 01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:09,000 Make sure you get tickets to the first one, so 'cause you if the 2459 01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:11,120 first one goes bad, there will not be a third one. 2460 01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:13,880 They only perform in Europe at the time. 2461 01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:15,480 They don't even make it back to the States. 2462 01:58:16,160 --> 01:58:19,520 They're just they're just not meant to be a long term band. 2463 01:58:19,720 --> 01:58:21,400 Jon Kale's had a very successful career. 2464 01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:22,920 MO Tucker's had a successful career. 2465 01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:27,360 Sterling Morrison died unfortunately, but he was a very 2466 01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:29,720 good guitar player. I think he did a lot of session 2467 01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:34,200 work, if I'm not mistaken. And then at this time, Lou Reed 2468 01:58:35,160 --> 01:58:38,320 is starting to date Lori Anderson and fade away from 2469 01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:40,760 Sylvia, who was his manager and wife. 2470 01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:44,320 You don't want to do that. She's like negotiate. 2471 01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:48,000 I just almost pictured like Stevie's wife from eastbound and 2472 01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:51,840 down, like you know what I mean? Like it is so uncomfortable like 2473 01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:55,600 that, like them describing like, Oh yeah, I'd bring Sylvia, who I 2474 01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:59,120 was separated from at the time, but she was my manager on dates 2475 01:58:59,120 --> 01:59:01,560 with like, you know, other women that he was seeing. 2476 01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:05,680 Like he would do this like in other relationships too. 2477 01:59:05,680 --> 01:59:08,080 It'd just be like, Oh yeah, she's my ex and this is the new 2478 01:59:08,080 --> 01:59:10,640 one I'm seeing and like flirt with other women in front front 2479 01:59:10,640 --> 01:59:14,080 of like the. It was a little wild, even. 2480 01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:16,680 It. Was way after the factory scene 2481 01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:19,760 like. I mean, he must have something 2482 01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:22,120 to him though 'cause like that is like straight up the biggest 2483 01:59:22,120 --> 01:59:24,600 humiliation ritual for a woman of all time. 2484 01:59:24,600 --> 01:59:27,840 Like, and she was like there for like years after and you're just 2485 01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:29,800 like, what is it? Money, 'cause he's not. 2486 01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:32,120 I can't imagine he's making that much money. 2487 01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:34,000 Well. She's a strong woman. 2488 01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:36,920 She's a strong businesswoman. And you know what she can like, 2489 01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:39,800 tolerate do it going through that, you know? 2490 01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:42,960 Put her. Hair in a bite I do with being 2491 01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:47,080 her ex-boyfriend put. Yeah, put on her hair, put, put 2492 01:59:47,080 --> 01:59:49,800 on her hair, put on some gangster rap and fuck shit up, 2493 01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:50,440 that's what. She. 2494 01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:54,480 Did Yeah. It's just yeah. 2495 01:59:54,480 --> 01:59:58,880 It doesn't doesn't seem to be doesn't seem to be working out 2496 01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:01,560 very well. But he finds a androgynous short 2497 02:00:01,560 --> 02:00:05,800 haired art hoe named Laurie Anderson and they are happily 2498 02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:07,320 ever after. It's the best of both worlds. 2499 02:00:07,320 --> 02:00:11,680 Lou Reed's like, great. AIDS is rampant everywhere. 2500 02:00:11,680 --> 02:00:16,600 I need a woman because gay is not for me anymore. 2501 02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:20,880 And she's kind of I, I tried listening to her music. 2502 02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:26,240 My Lord, she's very talented, but it's just not for me. 2503 02:00:26,240 --> 02:00:31,000 I, it's, it's just not for me. But she, she's, you know, plays 2504 02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:32,800 violin, does all this crazy stuff. 2505 02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:36,680 And I do think she, Lou Reed became like a more skilled 2506 02:00:37,320 --> 02:00:39,080 guitar player after being with her. 2507 02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:43,080 Tough to attribute it to anything else because I I just 2508 02:00:43,080 --> 02:00:47,960 didn't learn anything otherwise. But he starts dating her. 2509 02:00:47,960 --> 02:00:51,360 There's some very forgettable 90s albums in my opinion, set 2510 02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:55,280 the Twilight reading the anthology comes out in 1992, 2511 02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:58,360 which that has a great story. Like I was saying about him 2512 02:00:58,360 --> 02:01:02,280 putting together the anthology, he, you know, he was all for 2513 02:01:02,280 --> 02:01:05,680 like his old stuff getting getting pushed out again. 2514 02:01:05,680 --> 02:01:08,160 Like that's that was a big part of the CD era was these guys 2515 02:01:08,160 --> 02:01:12,120 were able to kind of get reprisals on their on their work 2516 02:01:12,120 --> 02:01:15,080 that they knew was good. So yeah, that a guy, last name 2517 02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:20,400 of Bowman who was, who was putting together this thing and 2518 02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:25,600 he was a huge Reed fan. He they said it was like 2519 02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:28,120 impossible to get him to like do any interviews. 2520 02:01:28,120 --> 02:01:29,680 And that's always been the case with him. 2521 02:01:30,680 --> 02:01:33,480 And they wanted to have an interview in the box set that 2522 02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:35,000 made it worth buying. That was like kind of 2523 02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:39,280 transparent, kind of earnest Reid wanted creative control. 2524 02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:42,200 He Reid actually took fewer royalties from it if he could 2525 02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:45,240 have final say in what was put in the interview. 2526 02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:49,400 And basically he struck all the good, like good stuff out of 2527 02:01:49,400 --> 02:01:51,400 there. And it's all just like kind of 2528 02:01:51,400 --> 02:01:53,880 slop apparent, according according to the person putting 2529 02:01:53,880 --> 02:01:55,640 it together. I do not have this anthology, 2530 02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:58,960 but the he apparently they weren't very happy with that. 2531 02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:02,680 But it did sell well, especially in 1992 when you see bands like 2532 02:02:02,680 --> 02:02:06,000 Nirvana popping out and stuff and gave it was a really good 2533 02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:09,200 time to do that. And I they have it available on 2534 02:02:09,200 --> 02:02:11,720 on Apple, the anthology. And you can and it does have it 2535 02:02:11,720 --> 02:02:13,640 is a pretty good way to get into Lou Reed. 2536 02:02:13,640 --> 02:02:15,360 There's a lot of really good stuff on there. 2537 02:02:16,240 --> 02:02:19,080 He didn't really like the idea of his B sides being put out, 2538 02:02:19,080 --> 02:02:20,960 which I get that. It's like, I I would have put 2539 02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:24,040 them out if I wanted them out. Especially while you're alive. 2540 02:02:24,040 --> 02:02:26,080 Well, if you're dead, I'm like, just release them, who cares? 2541 02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:32,200 But like, I wouldn't want that. Yeah, before I just want to 2542 02:02:32,200 --> 02:02:34,880 mention on set, the Twilight Reeling. 2543 02:02:36,240 --> 02:02:39,200 Not a great album, but there are two really good songs on there, 2544 02:02:39,200 --> 02:02:42,000 I think. Hang on to Your Emotions and Sex 2545 02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:44,200 with Your parents. Yeah, really. 2546 02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:47,720 Those are really good songs. If anyone wants to check it. 2547 02:02:48,120 --> 02:02:50,240 Those are great. And you just some live versions 2548 02:02:50,240 --> 02:02:53,120 of sex with your parents and you know, if you don't want to 2549 02:02:53,120 --> 02:02:55,440 listen to the set, the Tri light reeling. 2550 02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:59,640 But yeah, the the box set, that guy had some great stories about 2551 02:02:59,640 --> 02:03:01,560 Lou Reed. Just trying to arrange that 2552 02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:05,920 interview for the box set and what happened. 2553 02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:12,120 My favorite story of his about that was when I think it was 2554 02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:16,160 like, after the interview. Yeah, I think it was after the 2555 02:03:16,160 --> 02:03:19,160 interview. He went with Lou Reed to go to, 2556 02:03:19,160 --> 02:03:23,520 like, an ATM or something at a bank, and Lou Reed sees a 2557 02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:26,960 homeless person sleeping in the vestibule of the bank. 2558 02:03:27,880 --> 02:03:32,760 And he just said he turns to, like, the guy who's doing the 2559 02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:35,240 liner notes for the box set, just like he says. 2560 02:03:35,640 --> 02:03:37,640 That's look at that. That's disgusting. 2561 02:03:38,240 --> 02:03:42,160 And he gets so angry that he goes over, he goes in, walks to 2562 02:03:42,160 --> 02:03:45,000 the bank manager and demands that the bank manager throw the 2563 02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:48,120 homeless person out. And it was like cold. 2564 02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:50,600 It was like a cold, like New York winter. 2565 02:03:51,120 --> 02:03:52,760 It's a lot. And and he and he literally had 2566 02:03:52,760 --> 02:03:55,520 just come out with the album about how New York just tosses 2567 02:03:55,520 --> 02:03:57,200 homeless people away and like. Yeah. 2568 02:03:57,280 --> 02:04:00,680 Giuliani has no compassion. Many such cases, by the way. 2569 02:04:00,920 --> 02:04:04,480 Yeah, I mean, look, he's not wrong, but I'm just saying like 2570 02:04:04,640 --> 02:04:08,160 he's, it's like, it's very much weird how like he's kind of. 2571 02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:09,800 Wrong. Yeah, no, he's not right. 2572 02:04:09,800 --> 02:04:12,520 He's not wrong at. All I just wish he would. 2573 02:04:12,640 --> 02:04:14,160 There's a cognitive dissonance a little. 2574 02:04:14,160 --> 02:04:17,160 Bit if I would. Say between that, which is kind 2575 02:04:17,160 --> 02:04:19,840 of funny because, yeah, it's just, it's just like, oh, that's 2576 02:04:19,880 --> 02:04:23,640 ridiculous. Very funny anecdote from John 2577 02:04:23,640 --> 02:04:27,560 Cougar Mellencamp, 1990. Farm Aid. 2578 02:04:27,880 --> 02:04:30,040 So Reed gets tapped on to do Farm Aid. 2579 02:04:30,040 --> 02:04:31,640 You know, he's one of those guys like, you know, save the 2580 02:04:31,640 --> 02:04:34,120 environment, like take care of the farmers, you know, all that 2581 02:04:34,120 --> 02:04:35,800 stuff. But he's also not quite exactly 2582 02:04:35,800 --> 02:04:39,800 what it's Bill that farm aid usually Willie Nelson, you know, 2583 02:04:40,280 --> 02:04:44,720 kind of like some outlaw country people and and and folksy and 2584 02:04:44,720 --> 02:04:46,760 stuff. But and Reed just being the city 2585 02:04:46,760 --> 02:04:50,080 guy, New York City and stuff. But he played it like a lot of 2586 02:04:50,080 --> 02:04:52,960 years. But in 1990, this is another Lou 2587 02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:57,400 Reed hypocrisy moment. I'll I'll read it from here for 2588 02:04:57,400 --> 02:05:00,160 the 1990 Farm Aid concert in Indianapolis. 2589 02:05:00,280 --> 02:05:02,360 Mellencamp. That's John Cougar Mellencamp 2590 02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:05,720 invited Guns and Roses to headline, which proved to be a 2591 02:05:05,720 --> 02:05:09,160 controversial decision. Guns and Roses was the biggest 2592 02:05:09,160 --> 02:05:11,760 band in the world at the time, and the band's lead singer, Axl 2593 02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:15,000 Rose and rhythm guitarist Izzy Stradlin had grown up in 2594 02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:17,440 Indiana. But the band's song, One in a 2595 02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:20,960 Million included a line complaining about immigrants and 2596 02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:25,040 faggots and claimed that gay people spread disease, a clear 2597 02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:27,840 reference to AIDS, which was ravaging the gay community at 2598 02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:30,000 the time. Many people did not want Guns 2599 02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:33,120 and Roses to play the show, but Mellencamp would not back down. 2600 02:05:33,600 --> 02:05:36,680 Quote, Everybody was so mad about it, Even at Farm Aid, 2601 02:05:36,720 --> 02:05:38,880 Mellencamp said. Quote. 2602 02:05:38,880 --> 02:05:41,240 It pissed me off. I was like, are you kidding me? 2603 02:05:41,400 --> 02:05:43,200 This is the biggest band in the country right now, and you don't 2604 02:05:43,200 --> 02:05:44,680 want them to come? It's their song. 2605 02:05:44,680 --> 02:05:46,920 It made no difference to me. Everything I like doesn't have 2606 02:05:46,920 --> 02:05:49,440 to be politically correct, and every band that plays here 2607 02:05:49,440 --> 02:05:50,880 doesn't have to be politically correct. 2608 02:05:51,200 --> 02:05:53,880 But Lou came into my dressing room and jumped my shit. 2609 02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:57,120 He was worked up about it. I said, Lou, this is a funny 2610 02:05:57,120 --> 02:05:59,640 conversation coming from a guy who wrote a song called Heroin. 2611 02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:02,160 He just walked out. He just walked out and I don't 2612 02:06:02,160 --> 02:06:05,520 think I ever spoke to him again. That's a that's a ultimate 2613 02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:06,880 comeback. That's a great. 2614 02:06:07,160 --> 02:06:09,600 I know it's like, dude, you literally have like songs about 2615 02:06:09,600 --> 02:06:13,080 like girls killing themselves and like, like, well, and what's 2616 02:06:13,080 --> 02:06:15,440 funny about Lou Reed is like he was never popular enough to 2617 02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:18,080 actually be banned. And I noticed he kind of 2618 02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:21,040 struggles with that a little bit where he's like fights for 2619 02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:23,880 artists, like free speech, but like there's never his stuff is 2620 02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:28,080 like so niche at the time that like, it's just not like it's 2621 02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:29,720 not Darling Nikki, you know what I mean? 2622 02:06:29,720 --> 02:06:33,520 It's not, it's not these like crazy songs that are everywhere. 2623 02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:35,960 So like, it's like, dude, no one's ever banned your stuff. 2624 02:06:35,960 --> 02:06:39,280 Like, because it's just kind of the people who like it, they 2625 02:06:39,560 --> 02:06:42,320 seek it out and it's, it's, it's fine, you know? 2626 02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:43,720 So it's just, it's just funny to me. 2627 02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:48,080 Yeah, no, I yeah. So yeah, you're familiar with 2628 02:06:48,080 --> 02:06:51,920 the The Guns and Roses song. I to be honest, it's been was 2629 02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:53,840 that off that's not off. Appetite for destruction? 2630 02:06:53,920 --> 02:06:57,880 No, it's on lies and I, I the lies. 2631 02:06:58,040 --> 02:07:00,360 I don't know it, but I I was like, whoa, jeez. 2632 02:07:00,600 --> 02:07:02,920 It's yeah, no, he says the N word in it too. 2633 02:07:02,920 --> 02:07:05,640 It's there's more than just immigrants and faggots. 2634 02:07:05,640 --> 02:07:09,840 It's there's a whole like, I mean, it's a screed and talk 2635 02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:12,560 about one of the songs that has not been taken off of Spotify 2636 02:07:12,560 --> 02:07:15,320 and like looking every day like, you know, like hasn't been 2637 02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:16,280 taken. Thank God. 2638 02:07:16,280 --> 02:07:18,800 Yeah, no, that's one of the ones you can find on there. 2639 02:07:19,000 --> 02:07:20,680 So what does Welcome to the Jungle mean? 2640 02:07:21,720 --> 02:07:23,480 Yeah. I know, I know is. 2641 02:07:23,800 --> 02:07:26,080 That about something else? I thought that was about Skid 2642 02:07:26,080 --> 02:07:29,160 Row. Yeah, well. 2643 02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:31,600 Probably not. Well, at least maybe a part of. 2644 02:07:31,600 --> 02:07:33,000 Skid Row. Yeah, Yeah, that's right. 2645 02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:34,280 Yeah. I know. 2646 02:07:34,280 --> 02:07:36,280 That's why. Yeah, it's, that's hilarious. 2647 02:07:36,280 --> 02:07:38,800 I know. I will say there's one. 2648 02:07:39,200 --> 02:07:41,200 There's a couple things worth talking about as we widen down 2649 02:07:41,200 --> 02:07:44,960 here. You mentioned to me that Ecstasy 2650 02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:47,240 from 2000 by Lou Reed's good and you were correct. 2651 02:07:47,640 --> 02:07:49,120 It's a good album. That's a good album. 2652 02:07:49,240 --> 02:07:52,800 I, I, it's a bit overproduced for me, like like at times. 2653 02:07:52,800 --> 02:07:54,920 But that was the time that was, that was what they did with 2654 02:07:54,920 --> 02:07:57,600 these guys. These kind of older artists was 2655 02:07:57,600 --> 02:08:00,400 they would get this like new production and it would kind of, 2656 02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:02,520 you know, you'd get like violins and like orchestral. 2657 02:08:02,560 --> 02:08:04,320 But I really like a lot like the title track. 2658 02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:07,960 Ecstasy Mad is a great song. I like it. 2659 02:08:08,200 --> 02:08:10,800 It's a very good effort for at a time for a guy who really 2660 02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:12,520 doesn't. This is a bad era of Lou Reed. 2661 02:08:12,800 --> 02:08:18,640 Oh yeah, no, like I I think yeah, turning around rock minuet 2662 02:08:18,640 --> 02:08:23,800 is great. Big Sky the final song. 2663 02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:26,440 I mean, it's just a really good rock'n'roll album, something I 2664 02:08:26,440 --> 02:08:30,560 did not expect from him. Given like as magic and lost. 2665 02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:35,320 It was fine, set the Twilight reeling, bland for the most 2666 02:08:35,320 --> 02:08:36,800 part. And then it was just, you know, 2667 02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:39,720 a lot of years in between. He released a live album called 2668 02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:43,840 Perfect Night Live in London, which is like, it's a beautiful 2669 02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:47,760 live album. It's he plays acoustic, I think, 2670 02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:49,360 and then someone else plays electric. 2671 02:08:49,360 --> 02:08:54,000 So it's like you get kind of like it's a different sound than 2672 02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:57,200 some of his other live albums. But yeah, that was like, really 2673 02:08:57,200 --> 02:09:00,200 the last good. Yeah, Studio. 2674 02:09:00,200 --> 02:09:03,760 I mean, if you want to count Hudson River when I kind of do, 2675 02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:05,560 which is great, is great. Yeah. 2676 02:09:05,600 --> 02:09:08,320 Yeah, I love it. No, it's it's not the same 2677 02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:10,000 though. It's not a it's not an album. 2678 02:09:10,480 --> 02:09:13,600 So HUD size gotta bump this album because it rules. 2679 02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:15,680 Yeah, I didn't have time. Yeah, you'd love it. 2680 02:09:15,880 --> 02:09:19,240 Hudson River Wind Meditations is exactly what you would think it 2681 02:09:19,240 --> 02:09:20,640 was. It's like, I mean, I just 2682 02:09:20,640 --> 02:09:23,600 picture RFK cleaning up the Hudson River while Lou Reed's 2683 02:09:23,600 --> 02:09:25,480 doing Tai chi. Yeah, what a wonderful time of 2684 02:09:25,480 --> 02:09:26,960 New York. It reminds me of. 2685 02:09:27,080 --> 02:09:29,360 Like some of those like a little bit. 2686 02:09:29,720 --> 02:09:33,840 Riverkeeper Yeah, just sorry, go ahead. 2687 02:09:34,080 --> 02:09:37,720 Yeah, it reminds me of like some of the Brian Eno Ambien albums. 2688 02:09:37,720 --> 02:09:40,920 Like you use it for airports. It's tight, No. 2689 02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:44,720 And and he, he said he's like, this is not me, like putting out 2690 02:09:44,720 --> 02:09:46,800 an album hoping it sells. He's like, I put this out 2691 02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:50,200 because people want to meditate and he's like, people like shit 2692 02:09:50,200 --> 02:09:52,920 like this to meditate to. And he goes, anytime I would put 2693 02:09:52,920 --> 02:09:55,400 it on, he goes, I would have like, you know, meditation 2694 02:09:55,560 --> 02:09:57,960 things at my house or like, you know, like Tai Chi sessions or 2695 02:09:57,960 --> 02:09:59,120 something. And people would go, Hey, can I 2696 02:09:59,120 --> 02:10:00,880 like get a copy of that? And he goes, Oh, I made it. 2697 02:10:00,880 --> 02:10:01,800 And they're like, can I have that? 2698 02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:03,960 And he's like, well, I'll just see if like somebody wants to 2699 02:10:03,960 --> 02:10:06,440 put it out and like people can, if, if you know, you know, and 2700 02:10:06,440 --> 02:10:08,400 you go buy it. And I'm like, that's a great 2701 02:10:08,400 --> 02:10:10,680 idea. And, and to be honest, I, 2702 02:10:10,760 --> 02:10:11,760 there's a time and a place for it. 2703 02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:15,240 I, I, I could, I could see myself really, you know, just 2704 02:10:15,240 --> 02:10:17,000 chill, just just Max into it, dude. 2705 02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:19,320 Like it's great. I'm a big fan. 2706 02:10:19,320 --> 02:10:21,520 I might use some of it for readings and stuff. 2707 02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:23,560 Like I, I really, I really like it. 2708 02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:26,520 No, I was, I read to it, Yeah, a couple nights ago. 2709 02:10:26,520 --> 02:10:28,640 I just put it on. Like I was putting it on just 2710 02:10:28,640 --> 02:10:30,560 like when I was like cleaning my apartment and stuff. 2711 02:10:30,560 --> 02:10:34,000 And just like, it's nice music. It's good music to listen to 2712 02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:36,520 just in the background. Yeah, obviously we have the 2713 02:10:36,520 --> 02:10:39,160 dreaded Lulu that we're split on here should. 2714 02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:41,960 We do. Should we mention the Raven 2715 02:10:41,960 --> 02:10:43,800 before then? Yeah, that's true. 2716 02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:46,240 Yeah. So at least you mentioned what 2717 02:10:46,240 --> 02:10:48,560 went into it because? Go ahead, Go ahead. 2718 02:10:48,560 --> 02:10:51,720 Yeah. So this was Lou Reed's 2719 02:10:51,720 --> 02:10:58,960 interpretation of some Edgar Allan Poe stories, stuff, songs 2720 02:10:58,960 --> 02:11:02,320 that were inspired by Edgar Allan Poe that he wrote. 2721 02:11:02,720 --> 02:11:06,400 But he had a lot of guest musicians on, I mean, great 2722 02:11:06,400 --> 02:11:13,280 ones, David Bowie or Net Coleman, Lori Anderson. 2723 02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:15,840 He had Willem Dafoe and Steve Buscemi. 2724 02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:19,120 Like a lot of like, I think it wasn't Helen Mirren or someone 2725 02:11:19,120 --> 02:11:21,480 on there. Like, I mean, just actors like 2726 02:11:21,480 --> 02:11:27,600 reading these lines and even like he really wants to be 2727 02:11:27,600 --> 02:11:34,160 considered a poet and a great, you know, a great writer. 2728 02:11:35,600 --> 02:11:40,960 This just isn't it. Like everything, it's very he's 2729 02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:43,760 trying too hard on all of it. It's really bad. 2730 02:11:43,800 --> 02:11:46,960 And all the stars that he brings in just can't save it. 2731 02:11:47,200 --> 02:11:50,040 Like, and that's which is really sad about it. 2732 02:11:50,040 --> 02:11:52,880 It's because it's just he tries so hard on this. 2733 02:11:53,160 --> 02:11:56,320 He just gets all this, you know, all his actor friends and his 2734 02:11:56,320 --> 02:12:00,920 musician friends together and he can't make anything do. 2735 02:12:00,920 --> 02:12:03,640 And he had to release like, one that was like a shortened 2736 02:12:03,640 --> 02:12:07,160 version and one that was like an expanded edition if you wanted 2737 02:12:07,160 --> 02:12:12,120 to listen to even more bullshit. Like, no, it was it was pretty 2738 02:12:12,120 --> 02:12:14,200 bad. But she just mentioned that at 2739 02:12:14,200 --> 02:12:17,160 least he, you know. Yeah, that was a a time in his 2740 02:12:17,160 --> 02:12:19,880 life that he really, that was a passion project for him. 2741 02:12:20,000 --> 02:12:24,840 I, I think there was a really, so it's like sad but also happy 2742 02:12:25,120 --> 02:12:27,840 kind of thing where the biography says at this time, 2743 02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:30,960 Reid is much more appreciated than he is liked for what he's 2744 02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:32,440 putting out there. People are just happy to see him 2745 02:12:32,440 --> 02:12:36,360 doing things and and which is like another way of saying you 2746 02:12:36,360 --> 02:12:40,040 put out straight ass juice music like it just it is what it is. 2747 02:12:40,280 --> 02:12:42,160 It's it's fine. Look, that's a great run. 2748 02:12:42,160 --> 02:12:44,040 What he what he has It was a great run. 2749 02:12:44,040 --> 02:12:47,280 I mean, we're talking more or less more more good than bad. 2750 02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:49,920 Some stellar, some elite for 20 years. 2751 02:12:49,920 --> 02:12:51,840 Really we're talking if you're not including Velvet 2752 02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:54,720 Underground, that's it's pretty damn good. 2753 02:12:54,920 --> 02:12:59,400 So he, he's feeling sick during a lot of this time. 2754 02:12:59,400 --> 02:13:02,480 I mean, again, this guys had hepatitis since like, like the 2755 02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:05,160 Kennedy administration, if not less than that. 2756 02:13:05,240 --> 02:13:09,560 He's he's, he's, he's not well, his liver, he needs a liver 2757 02:13:09,560 --> 02:13:10,840 transplant. He gets one. 2758 02:13:10,840 --> 02:13:14,400 It doesn't take he's working with Metallica during this time. 2759 02:13:14,600 --> 02:13:17,480 Metallic Lars Ulrich is like super into Lou Reed because he 2760 02:13:17,480 --> 02:13:19,760 was raised in like that. Wasn't Lars Ulrich raised on 2761 02:13:19,760 --> 02:13:22,000 like some like Swedish sex compound or something? 2762 02:13:22,400 --> 02:13:25,520 Like I thought he was like his dad was one of those like weird. 2763 02:13:25,520 --> 02:13:28,120 Like we do not wear clothes, you know? 2764 02:13:28,120 --> 02:13:31,360 Like, I wouldn't surprise me, but I think he was. 2765 02:13:31,400 --> 02:13:34,320 I think he's from like a Swedish like art family, like kind of 2766 02:13:34,320 --> 02:13:37,600 like the scars guards. And they were like in to Lou 2767 02:13:37,600 --> 02:13:38,920 Reed. So he was like, oh, this is 2768 02:13:38,920 --> 02:13:41,800 bucket list stuff. And they basically they were all 2769 02:13:41,800 --> 02:13:44,760 like Metallica guys were like, we'll, we'll do whatever you 2770 02:13:44,760 --> 02:13:46,680 want. Like you wear your backing band, 2771 02:13:46,680 --> 02:13:48,840 you tell us what to do. So then Reed tells him what to 2772 02:13:48,840 --> 02:13:51,360 do because he's working with this Brooklyn computer, you 2773 02:13:51,400 --> 02:13:55,920 know, Calhoun guy something something Calhoun is doing all 2774 02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:58,040 these weird computer things. And he's like, oh, we wrote some 2775 02:13:58,040 --> 02:14:01,600 songs and Metallica is like, Oh, yeah, OK, yeah, that'll, 2776 02:14:01,720 --> 02:14:05,760 that'll, that'll work, I guess. And then they make the album and 2777 02:14:05,760 --> 02:14:07,560 it, they spend a long time working on it. 2778 02:14:07,560 --> 02:14:09,800 It's like, you can tell there was like a lot put into this. 2779 02:14:09,800 --> 02:14:14,040 It was definitely Metallica had money to burn and they could 2780 02:14:14,040 --> 02:14:16,200 always tour if they want to, to make money. 2781 02:14:16,200 --> 02:14:18,240 So and their their fans didn't like it. 2782 02:14:18,240 --> 02:14:20,520 And then Lou Reed just didn't have enough of a fan base to 2783 02:14:20,520 --> 02:14:24,560 make it sell. And yeah, I, I couldn't get into 2784 02:14:24,600 --> 02:14:26,040 it. I maybe somebody can. 2785 02:14:26,640 --> 02:14:30,680 It's it's definitely for the spectacle worth turning on 2786 02:14:30,680 --> 02:14:33,800 because it's it sounds like how you'd think, because there's 2787 02:14:33,800 --> 02:14:37,040 even a cover of Sweet Jane at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 2788 02:14:37,720 --> 02:14:39,640 With Metallica and it doesn't. Work. 2789 02:14:39,640 --> 02:14:42,240 It doesn't work in my opinion. It's slow. 2790 02:14:42,520 --> 02:14:44,280 Like they're slow. They need to play faster. 2791 02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:46,560 And. But Reid probably can't play 2792 02:14:46,600 --> 02:14:49,080 that fast at that point. Like that's kind of the problem. 2793 02:14:49,080 --> 02:14:51,160 Or like at least sing that fast because he's not healthy. 2794 02:14:51,640 --> 02:14:54,960 But this album does isn't like melodic like that. 2795 02:14:55,800 --> 02:14:59,840 It's much more noisier from Metallica and that's why I think 2796 02:14:59,840 --> 02:15:02,920 it lends itself well. Like I think reads lyrics on 2797 02:15:02,920 --> 02:15:05,600 this are actually pretty good. Yeah. 2798 02:15:07,000 --> 02:15:12,400 I mean, I like Brandenburg Gate, Mr. Stred, Cheat on me, 2799 02:15:12,720 --> 02:15:18,440 Frustration, Dragon Junior Dad. Like, yeah, I I liked all those 2800 02:15:18,440 --> 02:15:22,560 songs. Look, I I understand. 2801 02:15:22,560 --> 02:15:24,720 Like, I understand why they did it. 2802 02:15:26,080 --> 02:15:30,680 The collaboration seemed like unique and Lou Reed probably 2803 02:15:30,680 --> 02:15:33,720 felt like, oh, if Metallica works with me, I'm accepted into 2804 02:15:33,720 --> 02:15:36,760 the mainstream. And if Metallica is like other 2805 02:15:36,760 --> 02:15:39,320 like, well, if Lou Reed works with us, then we're accepted 2806 02:15:39,320 --> 02:15:44,640 into that like punk type of like, you know, like alternative 2807 02:15:45,400 --> 02:15:48,120 industry. So, but like it just didn't 2808 02:15:48,120 --> 02:15:51,520 really work out as far as like their sales. 2809 02:15:52,480 --> 02:15:54,000 But. You know who really did like 2810 02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:56,400 this album? David Bowie. 2811 02:15:57,480 --> 02:15:59,920 We. Called it Lou Reed's best work. 2812 02:16:00,080 --> 02:16:02,440 Dude, he wanted to be friends with Lou Reed so bad for like 2813 02:16:03,080 --> 02:16:04,320 and like, Yeah. And he's just like. 2814 02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:06,480 He's fucking. Phil dude, can we hang out like 2815 02:16:06,480 --> 02:16:07,960 I'll say, I like the Metallica album. 2816 02:16:07,960 --> 02:16:09,400 No, he probably did. He probably did like the 2817 02:16:09,400 --> 02:16:10,720 Metallica album. I'm not saying he wasn't 2818 02:16:10,920 --> 02:16:13,040 earnest, but he was like, dude, I nobody likes this album. 2819 02:16:13,040 --> 02:16:14,240 I love it. Luke, can we be friends? 2820 02:16:14,240 --> 02:16:15,800 And like. That's the type of guy David 2821 02:16:15,800 --> 02:16:17,560 Bowie is like he's just like, really. 2822 02:16:17,720 --> 02:16:21,200 Like for a guy that went through as many eras as he did, like 2823 02:16:21,200 --> 02:16:23,080 most people are like, yeah, he's pretty fucking cool though. 2824 02:16:23,160 --> 02:16:24,720 Like he was just, he was just really cool. 2825 02:16:24,920 --> 02:16:28,640 And by the way, I found that one of the a short version of the 2826 02:16:28,640 --> 02:16:31,720 Lester Bangs Rachel quote, where he refers to Rachel as that 2827 02:16:31,720 --> 02:16:34,040 creature a million times during the side. 2828 02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:37,719 He says this is one of the yeah, it's one of the most twisted 2829 02:16:37,719 --> 02:16:40,160 pieces of art I've ever seen about Rachel. 2830 02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:42,959 Like he's like, this is this is what are you doing, Reid? 2831 02:16:42,959 --> 02:16:45,120 Is this a statement? Like, Oh my gosh. 2832 02:16:45,520 --> 02:16:49,840 Oh yeah, he said something about she looked like if the album 2833 02:16:49,840 --> 02:16:53,200 Berlin had been melted down and reformed into a human. 2834 02:16:53,920 --> 02:16:56,600 And he's like, it depends what you think about the album 2835 02:16:56,600 --> 02:16:59,600 Berlin, how you would think about that statement. 2836 02:16:59,600 --> 02:17:02,520 But yeah, it was it was like, yeah, something like, yeah, 2837 02:17:02,840 --> 02:17:06,480 Berlin she's which is yeah, it's a very sad, depressing album. 2838 02:17:06,480 --> 02:17:08,840 So I don't know. I mean, it's not a great 2839 02:17:08,840 --> 02:17:09,400 compliment. I. 2840 02:17:09,520 --> 02:17:12,719 Was gonna say, I was gonna say the album, the album itself is I 2841 02:17:12,879 --> 02:17:14,760 I can't, I can't agree with you there, Lester, because I like 2842 02:17:14,760 --> 02:17:16,840 that album too much. Yeah, it's a good album. 2843 02:17:16,840 --> 02:17:19,680 But yeah, I don't know if he's referring to the lyrics or how 2844 02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:21,400 you know what I mean, The content you. 2845 02:17:21,840 --> 02:17:25,360 Need to feel the the the same you get at the end of Berlin. 2846 02:17:26,719 --> 02:17:28,080 Yes, exactly. Yeah. 2847 02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:30,840 So that's. All right, you know what? 2848 02:17:30,840 --> 02:17:34,240 RIP Rachel. And that's just and RIP Lester 2849 02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:35,719 Banks. I mean, she outlived him a 2850 02:17:35,719 --> 02:17:39,040 little bit, you know? So that's that's the way to go. 2851 02:17:39,040 --> 02:17:44,959 So, I mean, guys, any anymore I got I don't know, he died. 2852 02:17:44,959 --> 02:17:47,000 He died and it sucks, but yeah, I mean. 2853 02:17:48,480 --> 02:17:52,200 I. Did want to cover the does that 2854 02:17:52,200 --> 02:17:57,520 live album take no prisoners? Oh yes, 78 So this was a wild 2855 02:17:57,520 --> 02:18:02,959 live album. Like he just kind of it was his 2856 02:18:02,959 --> 02:18:06,520 band was like in a very like rock'n'roll like happy mood. 2857 02:18:06,520 --> 02:18:11,200 He was in a good mood. He was talking to the crowd and 2858 02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:15,080 he would just like start these monologues in the middle of 2859 02:18:15,080 --> 02:18:18,320 songs and, you know, the band would just be like, you know, 2860 02:18:18,360 --> 02:18:21,600 going along with the with the, with the melody, with the riff. 2861 02:18:22,200 --> 02:18:25,040 And he would just like walk on the wild side. 2862 02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:30,400 He would throw lines out like like he'd like light a cigarette 2863 02:18:30,400 --> 02:18:32,840 and he'd be like, I have no attitude without a cigarette. 2864 02:18:32,840 --> 02:18:34,920 I'd rather have cancer than be a faggot. 2865 02:18:36,879 --> 02:18:40,799 Like just lines like that. And like it's like having it's 2866 02:18:40,799 --> 02:18:42,680 like going to bed with a brontosaurus. 2867 02:18:42,680 --> 02:18:45,280 It's out of style, man. And like he would just like 2868 02:18:45,280 --> 02:18:49,959 throw those like lines that you know, in the way that he only he 2869 02:18:49,959 --> 02:18:52,160 could say that with that like man, dude. 2870 02:18:52,480 --> 02:18:59,719 But there's one at one point. What song is it? 2871 02:19:03,120 --> 02:19:04,799 Oh, yeah. I think it's still maybe during 2872 02:19:04,799 --> 02:19:13,120 Walk on the Wild Side where he's just starts going after this 2873 02:19:13,120 --> 02:19:16,480 music reviewer Robert Christo. Right. 2874 02:19:17,639 --> 02:19:20,959 And he just says, what does Robert Christo do in bed? 2875 02:19:20,959 --> 02:19:23,799 Is he a toe fucker? And then he just starts going 2876 02:19:23,799 --> 02:19:26,799 after this guy and starts making fun of him like, oh, he wrote 2877 02:19:26,799 --> 02:19:29,639 the Consumer's Guide to rock. What a moron. 2878 02:19:30,200 --> 02:19:35,280 Like baroque rock. He studied it in in the Ivy 2879 02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:36,600 League. He's like, fuck you. 2880 02:19:36,600 --> 02:19:39,799 I don't need to. I don't need you to tell me I'm 2881 02:19:39,840 --> 02:19:41,799 good. Like and he just starts making 2882 02:19:41,799 --> 02:19:44,160 fun of the critics, going after them. 2883 02:19:44,680 --> 02:19:47,080 And then when it gets to the part where he's talking about 2884 02:19:47,080 --> 02:19:53,080 Candy and Little Joe and Sugar Plum Fairy, he's just like, says 2885 02:19:53,080 --> 02:19:55,480 Candy. Like I really miss Candy. 2886 02:19:55,480 --> 02:19:57,440 And I didn't even get to know her that well. 2887 02:19:57,880 --> 02:20:02,640 Like I'm such a scam artist. She got leukemia from a plastic 2888 02:20:02,640 --> 02:20:06,760 tit and I'm supposed to feel sorry for her Then don't fucking 2889 02:20:06,800 --> 02:20:09,320 do that, man. We have health education. 2890 02:20:09,560 --> 02:20:13,120 Don't fucking do that shit. And then he just stopped talks 2891 02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:14,960 to some. Person in the crowd like you 2892 02:20:14,960 --> 02:20:17,160 look like a Democrat, you want to go to bed. 2893 02:20:17,880 --> 02:20:21,120 And then he just says talks about Little Joe, who was Joe's 2894 02:20:21,120 --> 02:20:25,400 Dalessandro from the Factory starred in a lot of Warhol films 2895 02:20:25,400 --> 02:20:27,720 and he said Little Joe was an idiot. 2896 02:20:27,880 --> 02:20:30,360 He had an IQ of 12 probably. True. 2897 02:20:30,360 --> 02:20:33,960 I ain't even probably. True, like he went to Italy to 2898 02:20:33,960 --> 02:20:36,240 become a star. Wouldn't fuck anyone. 2899 02:20:38,200 --> 02:20:43,680 And like Sugar Plum Fairy like she just makes her living 2900 02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:45,960 writing for Encyclopedia Britannica. 2901 02:20:46,320 --> 02:20:48,440 She wouldn't come to see me if I was dying. 2902 02:20:48,480 --> 02:20:51,440 Like he just like talk shit about all these people and walk 2903 02:20:51,440 --> 02:20:54,000 on the wild side. So I mean the whole album, the 2904 02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:56,960 whole live album is great and he's got some riffing like that 2905 02:20:57,200 --> 02:21:00,320 the whole way through. But man, that live walk on the 2906 02:21:00,320 --> 02:21:05,320 wild side from techno prisoners is is great. 2907 02:21:05,520 --> 02:21:09,680 Like, I mean, it's, it's great peak live Lou Reed. 2908 02:21:09,960 --> 02:21:11,480 I mean, he's just having a good time. 2909 02:21:11,840 --> 02:21:14,360 Doesn't give a fuck up there. And. 2910 02:21:15,960 --> 02:21:20,760 The other thing is on St. Hassle, we kind of skipped over 2911 02:21:20,760 --> 02:21:26,280 the part like the song St. Hassle, it's beautiful, like one 2912 02:21:26,280 --> 02:21:32,120 of his most beautiful songs. He describes it as he he wanted 2913 02:21:32,120 --> 02:21:35,800 to write a song that was a combination of Hubert Selby 2914 02:21:35,800 --> 02:21:38,600 Junior, William S Burroughs and Raymond Chandler. 2915 02:21:38,840 --> 02:21:42,600 And he get he gets it perfectly. And I think that's just like one 2916 02:21:42,600 --> 02:21:44,560 of his most poetic, beautiful songs. 2917 02:21:44,960 --> 02:21:50,040 Like the the musical changes within the song are great. 2918 02:21:50,080 --> 02:21:53,200 Like he goes in a few different directions. 2919 02:21:53,360 --> 02:21:56,400 And even Bruce Springsteen is on the song in one part. 2920 02:21:57,720 --> 02:22:03,080 He sings the last part and I think it's he does like a 2921 02:22:03,080 --> 02:22:05,360 paraphrasing of like the tramps like us. 2922 02:22:05,360 --> 02:22:08,760 We were born to run that he the previous year. 2923 02:22:08,960 --> 02:22:13,760 It's like tramps like us. I forget what the rest of the 2924 02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:18,280 lyric was, but it's just a it's a really great song. 2925 02:22:18,280 --> 02:22:21,840 So anyone who wants to get the Lou Reed, I really think like 2926 02:22:22,320 --> 02:22:23,840 St. Hassle's a really good way to 2927 02:22:23,840 --> 02:22:26,160 go. Yeah, no, definitely. 2928 02:22:26,240 --> 02:22:30,800 It's it's no, it's it's great. I mean, I I I think St. hassle 2929 02:22:30,800 --> 02:22:34,600 is probably the the one that nobody's talks about. 2930 02:22:34,600 --> 02:22:36,680 Like, I mean, the blue mask has its own fanbait, but like the 2931 02:22:36,680 --> 02:22:39,120 street ass will have its own like kind of like that's the 2932 02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:41,200 GOAT fanbase. Like I don't I don't think so. 2933 02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:45,400 So it's it's definitely it's definitely, definitely worth it. 2934 02:22:45,400 --> 02:22:48,760 So well, guys, yeah, I mean, I highly recommend the biography 2935 02:22:48,760 --> 02:22:51,320 too. It's it's really, really a fun, 2936 02:22:51,360 --> 02:22:55,280 fun read. It's it's a lot there's a lot of 2937 02:22:55,920 --> 02:22:58,000 lot. The Rachel stuff is unreal in 2938 02:22:58,000 --> 02:23:01,280 there. It's, it's, it's out of control. 2939 02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:06,400 It's, it's definitely a life of, of insane rock'n'roll with like 2940 02:23:06,440 --> 02:23:11,400 heroin and and meth and, and drinking and bites and bridges 2941 02:23:11,400 --> 02:23:16,800 being burned constantly. And it's, it's great and I'm 2942 02:23:16,800 --> 02:23:19,320 glad, I'm glad because I, I added a lot more to my phone, a 2943 02:23:19,320 --> 02:23:21,640 lot more Lou Reed to my phone than I had before. 2944 02:23:21,640 --> 02:23:25,320 So it was that's, that's that's what this is all about usually. 2945 02:23:25,320 --> 02:23:30,280 So well, you know, make sure you follow our guy organized meet. 2946 02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:32,800 He's a great poster. He's been on the show a few 2947 02:23:32,800 --> 02:23:34,480 times. We've covered a number of things 2948 02:23:34,480 --> 02:23:38,480 and we will be covering some Thomas Pynchon in the coming 2949 02:23:38,480 --> 02:23:42,760 months, especially once once that new Vineland adaptation. 2950 02:23:42,760 --> 02:23:44,760 Yeah, excited for that. I know. 2951 02:23:44,800 --> 02:23:47,000 Everybody's scared of it, but I'm like, dude, trust the plan. 2952 02:23:47,120 --> 02:23:48,920 Yeah, they're like it has a black person in it. 2953 02:23:48,920 --> 02:23:50,760 Like is it gonna? Be good and like, well, and it's 2954 02:23:50,760 --> 02:23:53,360 like, yeah, you guys. You don't know what you guys are 2955 02:23:53,360 --> 02:23:54,680 talking, people just love reacting to like. 2956 02:23:54,760 --> 02:23:58,560 Matt Anderson, Like, yeah, he's Dei now. 2957 02:23:58,720 --> 02:24:01,360 He's. Married to Maya Rudolph. 2958 02:24:01,400 --> 02:24:04,040 Yeah. I mean, it's not. 2959 02:24:04,320 --> 02:24:07,880 It's just dumb, man. I'm excited for that because 2960 02:24:08,240 --> 02:24:09,920 again, it's Thomas pinching for everybody. 2961 02:24:10,120 --> 02:24:11,840 No. So maybe the story will repel 2962 02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:16,400 some people, but I think he's Paul Thomas Anderson, the 2963 02:24:16,400 --> 02:24:18,440 adapted inherent Vice and did it wonderfully well. 2964 02:24:18,440 --> 02:24:20,800 And I think you can do it by and land. 2965 02:24:20,800 --> 02:24:24,320 So we'll be covering that on the Gainer Fix lab at some point 2966 02:24:24,600 --> 02:24:26,560 later this year. So on that note, guys, everybody 2967 02:24:26,560 --> 02:24:28,600 have a safe week. We will catch you guys next 2968 02:24:28,600 --> 02:24:28,720 time.